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1. HQS RECENTLY HOSTED VISIT BY CASCOPE'S NEWLY APPOINTED EQUIVALENT OF C/SVMACE, ALIAS KEMPE, AND CASCOPE'S LONGTIME SE OPS CHIEF, ALIAS ACKERMANN. THEIR VISIT AGENDA INCLUDED TIME DEVOTED TO STAYBEHIND AND SUBJECT, WITH FOLLOWING HIGHLIGHTS. GENERAL IMPRESSION IS THAT ALIAS KEMPE INTENDS TO BRING STRONG NEW DIRECTION TO THIS SIDE OF CASCOPE'S WORK AND THAT HIS OBJECTIVES VERY MUCH IN HARMONY WITH PNVALUE'S. 2. KEMPE SAID HE WAS SURPRISED WHEN TAKING ON HIS NEW DUTIES TO FIND THAT CASCOPE HAD AS MANY AS 75 PEOPLE DEDICATED TO THE STAYBEHIND PROGRAM AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE WORKING PRETTY MUCH IN ISOLATION FROM THE REST OF THE SERVICE. HE HAS DECIDED TO END THIS ISOLATION AND TO MELD STAYBEHIND INTO THE MAINSTREAM OF HIS DIRECTORATE. THIS HAS ENTAILED AN ACTUAL TRANSFER OF THE 75 TO HIS DIRECTORATE. KEMPE BELIEVED THAT THE EMPHASIS MUST HENCEFORTH BE PLACED ON ACTIVE INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION IN BOTH PEACETIME AND WAR, AS DISTINCT FROM A STAYBEHIND PROGRAM RESERVED FOR ACTIVATION ONLY IN HIS TERM FOR STAYBEHIND ASSETS NOW ON CASCOPE'S HOSTILITIES. ROLES IS "SLEEPERS." HE INDICATED THAT THESE ASSETS WOULD HENCEFORTH BE BROUGHT UNDER THE CONTROL OF ALIAS ACKERMANN, WHO IS ALREADY RESPONSIBLE FOR "IN-PLACE" REPORTING SOURCES IN THE WARSAW PACT AREA. THEREAFTER, CASCOPE WOULD HAVE A SINGLE MANAGER FOR BOTH SLEEPERS AND IN-PLACE SOURCES AND A COORDINATED PLAN FOR USING THEM BEFORE AND DURING HOSTILITIES. KEMPE SAID HE FOUND THE CONDENSED EXPOSITION GIVEN HIM 3. ON WARNING COLLECTION BY HUMAN SOURCES TO AGREE VERY MUCH WITH HE LISTENED WITH INTEREST TO AN OUTLINE OF HIS OWN THINKING. WHAT THE PENDING TRIPARTITE MEETING IN LONDON (REFERENCE) MIGHT ACCOMPLISH AND SOUNDED VERY MUCH LIKE SACEUR HIMSELF IN ENDORSING THE NEED FOR ENHANCED SUPPORT FROM THE ALLIED BECAUSE OF INTERNAL REGULATIONS CLANDESTINE SERVICES. SUBORDINATING SOME OF CASCOPE'S WARNING ACTIVITIES TO THE GERMAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE, KEMPE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION IN SHARING CASCOPE WARNING INTELLIGENCE WITH OTHER HOWEVER, AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, HE OBSERVED THAT THE SERVICES. PROBLEMS WITH THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE WOULD BE MORE THEORETICAL KEMPE EXPRESSED A PERSONAL INTEREST IN ATTENDING THAN ACTUAL. THE LONDON MEETING. 4. ON "HARPOON" KEMPE FORECAST THAT CASCOPE WOULD MAKE A -

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MAJOR CHANGE IN ITS M.O. FOR DEPLOYING THIS AGENT FIELD RADIO. RATHER THAN ISSUE HARPOON TO AGENTS IN ADVANCE OF HOSTILITIES (AS IS THE CURRENT CASCOPE PLAN) KEMPE WOULD WITHHOLD THE SETS UNTIL AGENTS HAD SIGNALLED THROUGH OTHER. MEANS THEIR WELL-BEING AND FREEDOM FROM HOSTILE CONTROL. THEREAFTER, CASCOPE WOULD DIRECT THE AGENT TO A PRE-POSITIONED CACHE FROM WHICH HE WOULD RECOVER THE HARPOON SET. KEMPE ESTIMATED THAT THIS PROCEDURE COULD "CUT BY 50 PERCENT" THE LOSSES OF HARPOON SETS THAT WOULD (HE DID NOT SAY SO, BUT HIS THINKING ON OTHERWISE OCCUR. HARPOON MIGHT CONCEIVABLY LEAD TO A REDUCTION IN THE SIZE OF THE CASCOPE BUY.) 5. WE USED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SOUND OUT KEMPE ON THE QUESTION OF SUPPORT TO US SPECIAL FORCES IN WARTIME. (WHILE NOT YET INTRODUCED BY PNVALUE INTO DISCUSSIONS IN EITHER THE CPC OR ACC FORUMS, IT IS A QUESTION WHICH HAS BEEN UNDER CONSIDERATION IN INFORMAL CONTACTS BETWEEN PNVALUE AND NVBUILD HQS PERSONNEL REVIEWING THE STATUS AND RELEVANCE OF NVBUILD PLANNING DOCUMENTS WHICH ENVISION PNVALUE ORGANIZING PARTISAN ' GROUPS TO SUPPORT SPECIAL FORCES MISSIONS INTO WARSAW PACT TERRITORY. A SEPARATE MESSAGE WILL PROVIDE MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS QUESTION, WHICH HAS SO FAR MAINLY AFFECTED CT _.:IAND WE EXPLAINED TO KEMPE THE NEED WHICH AFYEARS TO 7.7 .) C: EXIST FOR "PATHFINDERS" WHO COULD OPERATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH US SPECIAL FORCES IN EASTERN EUROPE AND DESCRIBED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND OTHER QUALIFICATIONS SUCH PATHFINDERS WOULD POSSESS. KEMPE REACTED VERY POSITIVELY TO THE CONCEPT AND SAID THAT CASCOPE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT SERVICE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IN ASSISTING PNVALUE TO IDENTIFY AND RECRUIT SUCH ASSETS WITHIN THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC. (WISH EMPHASIZE THAT THIS DISCUSSION WAS A VERY GENERAL ONE AND WE DO NOT REGARD IT AS COMMITTING EITHER CASCOPE OR PNVALUE TO THIS TASK. SUCH A COMMITMENT WOULD COME ONLY AFTER 1: .z AND C -a , TOGETHER WITH HEADQUARTERS HAVE FULLY WEIGHED THE MERITS, AND RISKS, OF SUCH A PROGRAM.) 6. WE BELIEVE KEMPE'S VIEWS ON THESE MATTERS AUGUR WELL FOR SOME OF THE CHANGES WE HAVE BEEN SEEKING TO INITIATE IN THE CPC-SACEUR RELATIONSHIP. HE IS ANTHING BUT A TRADITIONALIST IN THE STAYBEHIND DISCIPLINE AND SEEMS TO HAVE COME ON HIS OWN TO A RECOGNITION OF THE NEED FOR CHANGE. HIS PRESENCE AT THE . LONDON MEETING WOULD BE A DEFINITE PLUS, WE BELIEVE, AND WE AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE C.,. ENCOURAGE IT. 7. 8,
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