Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 1 1 GOVERNMENT OF THE DI STRI CT OF COLUMBI A 2 Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d 3 4 5 6 Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d Hear i ng 7 Mayor ' s Agent 8 9 Pr oper t y Addr ess: 10 McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on Si t e 11 Case Number : H. P. A. 14- 393 12 13 9: 39 a. m. t o 5: 05 p. m. 14 Monday, Oct ober 6, 2014 15 16 D. C. Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Of f i ce 17 Of f i ce of Pl anni ng 18 1100 4t h St r eet , S. W. , Room4302 19 Washi ngt on, D. C. 20024 20 21 22 McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 2 1 APPEARANCES: 2 J UDGE: 3 J . Pet er Byr ne 4
5 For Opponent s: 6 Andr ea C. Fer st er , Esq. 7 2121 War d Cour t , N. W. 8 Fi f t h Fl oor 9 Washi ngt on, D. C. 20037 10 202- 974- 5142 11 af er st er @r ai l st ot r ai l s. or g 12
13 El i zabet h S. Mer r i t t , Esq. 14 Deput y Gener al Counsel 15 Nat i onal Tr ust f or Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on 16 2600 Vi r gi ni a Avenue, N. W. 17 Sui t e 1000 18 Washi ngt on, D. C. 20037 19 202- 588- 6026 20 emer r i t t @savi ngpl aces. or g 21
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McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 3 1 For Appl i cant s: 2 Mar y Car ol yn Br own, Esq. 3 Hol l and & Kni ght 4 800- 17t h St r eet , N. W. 5 Sui t e 1100 6 Washi ngt on, D. C. 20006 7 202- 862- 5990 8 car ol yn. br own@hkl aw. com 9 - - - 10 WI T N E S S E S 11 Di r ect Cr oss Redi r ect Recr oss 12 Mar t i ne Combal 14 24 46 - 13 Ronan Gul st one 48 55 - - 14 Anne Cor bet t 63 70 - - 15 Emi l y Hot al i ng Ei g 81 108 - - 16 149 154 - - 17 Ki r k Met t am 121 139 - - 18 Br uce Leonar d 174 189 - - 19 Mat t hew J . Bel l 198 242 - - 20 AdamC. Weer s 262 276 - - 21 J ai r Lynch 285 291 - - 22
McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 4 1 WI T N E S S E S ( cont . ) 2 Di r ect Cr oss Redi r ect Recr oss 3 Aakash Thakkar 316 336 - - 4 Li ndsl ey Wi l l i ams 349 358 - - 5 Cel i a Di ane Bar nes 364 369 - - 6 - - - 7 E X H I B I T S 8 Page 9 No. 1 - Emi l y Hot al i ng Ei g Cur r i cul umVi t ae 81 10 No. 2 - Ki r k Met t amCur r i cul umVi t ae 120 11 No. 3 - Br uce Leonar d Cur r i cul umVi t ae 171 12 No. 4 - Mat t hew J . Bel l Cur r i cul umVi t ae 197 13 No. 5 - Li ndsl ey Wi l l i ams Cur r i cul umVi t ae 349 14
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McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , l adi es and 3 gent l emen, l et ' s pr oceed, pl ease. Wel l , good 4 mor ni ng, ever ybody. I ' mPet er Byr ne and I ' mt he 5 desi gnat ed Mayor ' s Agent f or t hi s mat t er , whi ch 6 i nvol ves a per mi t appl i cat i on t o r aze 15 of t he 7 r emai ni ng 18 f i l t r at i on cel l s i n t he McMi l l an Par k 8 Reser voi r at 2501 Fi r st St r eet , Nor t hwest . And t he 9 appl i cat i on i s assi gned Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Act 10 Number 14- 393. 11 The case i s bei ng hear d under t he aut hor i t y 12 of D. C. Law 2- 144, t he Hi st or i c Landmar k and Hi st or i c 13 Di st r i ct Pr ot ect i on Act of 1978. The l aw r equi r es 14 t he Mayor or hi s agent t o r evi ew per mi t appl i cat i ons 15 f or demol i t i on, al t er at i on, subdi vi si on, new 16 const r uct i on on t he si t e of hi st or i c l andmar ks wi t hi n 17 hi st or i c di st r i ct s. 18 Pr i or t o consi der at i on by t he Mayor ' s 19 Agent , t he l aw r equi r es t hat appl i cat i ons be r ef er r ed 20 t o t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d f or i t s 21 r ecommendat i on. 22 We' ve had many hear i ngs her e, but on May McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 6 1 22d, 2014, HPRB r ecommended agai nst t he i ssuance of a 2 r aze per mi t on t he gr ounds t hat i t woul d not be 3 consi st ent wi t h t he pur poses of t he Hi st or i c Landmar k 4 and Hi st or i c Di st r i ct Pr ot ect i on Act . Af t er t he 5 Boar d made i t s r ecommendat i on, t he appl i cant 6 r equest ed t hi s publ i c hear i ng, as pr ovi ded by l aw. 7 The hear i ng wi l l be conduct ed i n 8 conf or mance wi t h t he D. C. Admi ni st r at i ve Pr ocedur e 9 Act and Ti t l e 10C, Di st r i ct of Col umbi a Muni ci pal 10 Regul at i ons, whi ch cont ai n t he r ul es of pr ocedur e f or 11 t he Mayor ' s Agent , pur suant t o t he Pr eser vat i on Law. 12 The pr ocedur e t hi s mor ni ng wi l l be as 13 f ol l ows. Fi r st , we' l l have a consi der at i on of 14 pendi ng mot i ons and pr ocedur al mat t er s, t hen 15 pr esent at i on of t he Appl i cant s' case, r epor t s or 16 st at ement s by publ i c agency r epr esent at i ves, 17 st at ement s by af f ect ed Advi sor y Nei ghbor hood 18 Commi ssi ons, par t i es and ot her per sons i n suppor t of 19 t he appl i cat i on, t hen par t i es and ot her per sons i n 20 opposi t i on t o t he appl i cat i on. 21 Then we' l l have r ebut t al by t he Appl i cant , 22 r ebut t al by par t i es i n suppor t of t he appl i cat i on, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 7 1 and sur r ebut t al by par t i es i n opposi t i on t o t he 2 appl i cat i on. 3 And t hi s mor ni ng, we' r e goi ng t o use t he 4 second chai r her e as a wi t ness chai r f or wi t nesses 5 who ar e si mpl y goi ng t o t est i f y and t he f i r st chai r 6 at t he comput er wi l l be f or wi t nesses who ar e doi ng a 7 comput er pr esent at i on, okay? 8 One of t he aspect s of t he r egul at i ons i s 9 t hat al l t he wi t nesses who ar e goi ng t o pr esent 10 t est i mony need t o be swor n and i t ' s somet i mes most 11 conveni ent i f we j ust do t hat al l at once. 12 You' ve al l si gned i n t o one of t he f or ms i f 13 you' r e goi ng t o be a wi t ness and t hose who' ve si gned 14 i n and ar e goi ng t o be wi t nesses, I ' d ask you pl ease 15 j ust r ai se your r i ght hand. A sea of hands, okay. 16 ( The wi t nesses ar e dul y swor n by J udge 17 Byr ne. ) 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much. We' l l 19 begi n, t hen, wi t h some pr ocedur al mat t er s. Ther e ar e 20 t wo appl i cat i ons pendi ng f or par t y st at us i n t he 21 case, one by t he Fr i ends of McMi l l an Par k and one by 22 t he Nat i onal Tr ust f or Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on. And i s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 8 1 t her e any obj ect i on t o t hose? 2 MS. BROWN: I have no obj ect i on t o Fr i ends 3 of McMi l l an Par k. I do have a quest i on about t he 4 Nat i onal Tr ust , i f t hey have wi t nesses or i f t her e' s 5 j ust - - ar e you appear i ng as t he at t or ney or as t he 6 - - as you sai d i n your r equest f or par t y st at us, or 7 ar e you goi ng t o be a wi t ness? 8 MS. MERRI TT: Wel l , our pl an i s t hat I 9 woul d t est i f y not as an exper t , but on behal f of t he 10 Nat i onal Tr ust , and we' r e al so expect i ng t he di r ect or 11 of Pr esi dent Li ncol n' s Cot t age t o come and t est i f y. 12 She won' t be her e f or a coupl e of hour s. 13 MS. BROWN: I guess what I ' maski ng i s, 14 t hen, I wi l l be abl e t o cr oss exami ne you and t hat 15 you ar e pr ecl uded f r omcr oss exami ni ng our wi t nesses 16 i f you' r e a wi t ness. 17 MS. MERRI TT: I t ' s my expect at i on t hat my 18 t est i mony woul d be subj ect t o cr oss exami nat i on, but 19 i t was al so my expect at i on, because I ama l awyer f or 20 t he Nat i onal Tr ust , essent i al l y, I ' mki nd of l i ke a 21 pr o se par t y, t hat I woul d be abl e t o cr oss exami ne 22 wi t nesses, as wel l . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 9 1 MS. BROWN: Then I woul d have an obj ect i on, 2 because t hat does not compor t wi t h t he Rul es of 3 Pr of essi onal Conduct , Rul e 3. 7, Lawyer as Wi t ness. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Can I see a copy of t hat , 5 pl ease? 6 ( Ms. Br own hands document t o J udge Byr ne. ) 7 MS. MERRI TT: Wel l , I guess i f I have t o 8 choose bet ween t he t wo, I woul d sacr i f i ce t he - - 9 MS. FERSTER: You know, i f I coul d j ust say 10 t hat I t hi nk t hat Bet sy Mer r i t t i s a pr o se l i t i gant 11 i n t hi s case because she i s Deput y Gener al Counsel of 12 t he Nat i onal Tr ust f or Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on. She 13 r out i nel y t est i f i es on t he posi t i on of t he Nat i onal 14 Tr ust , you know, and i n many hear i ngs wi t h peopl e of 15 t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d. 16 She i s not an exper t wi t ness, she i s si mpl y 17 communi cat i ng t he Nat i onal Tr ust ' s posi t i on on t hi s 18 mat t er . So I don' t see any obj ect i on t o her bei ng, 19 you know, bot h a l awyer and a wi t ness r epr esent i ng 20 t he Nat i onal Tr ust ' s posi t i on on t hi s mat t er . 21 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk i t ' s wor t hwhi l e, t hen, 22 t o r evi ew Rul e 3. 7. I don' t t hi nk she i s pr o se McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 10 1 because she cl ear l y sai d t hat she was goi ng t o be 2 appear i ng as counsel f or t he Nat i onal Tr ust . So I 3 j ust want t o make sur e we know what t he r ul es ar e 4 because I don' t want her cr oss exami ni ng my wi t nesses 5 i f she' s a wi t ness her sel f . 6 J UDGE BYRNE: And how do you t hi nk your 7 cl i ent woul d be pr ej udi ced by t hat , your wi t nesses 8 woul d be pr ej udi ced by t hat ? 9 MS. BROWN: Wel l , number one, i t ' s agai nst 10 t he Rul es of Pr of essi onal Conduct . 11 J UDGE BYRNE: But t hat woul d be somet hi ng 12 t hat you coul d t ake up wi t h t he bar , r at her t han wi t h 13 me, I t hi nk. 14 MS. BROWN: Wel l , secondl y, I t hi nk i t ' s 15 j ust t hat t hi s pr ocdeedi ng shoul d be conduct ed i n 16 accor dance wi t h t he Rul es of Pr of essi onal Conduct . 17 And I t hi nk t hat i t does pr ej udi ce our wi t nesses 18 because we have her act i ng as an advocat e and a 19 wi t ness and we need t o pi ck one. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: So ar e you goi ng t o t est i f y 21 as t o f act s or ar e you goi ng t o j ust pr esent t he 22 posi t i on of t he Nat i onal Tr ust ? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 11 1 MS. MERRI TT: Wel l , i t ' s a mi xt ur e of bot h, 2 because some of t he f act s i nvol ve aspect s of t hi s 3 cont r over sy t hat we' ve been i nvol ved wi t h i n t he 4 past , so t her e' s a bl end of f act s i n t her e. I mean 5 i f I have t o choose bet ween one or t he ot her , my 6 pr ef er ence i s goi ng t o be t o t est i f y and t o f or ego 7 t he r i ght t o cr oss exami ne. 8 MS. BROWN: And t hat woul d be f i ne by me. 9 MS. MERRI TT: I ' mnot goi ng t o f or ego t he 10 r i ght t o t est i f y i n or der t o - - 11 J UDGE BYRNE: Ri ght . 12 MS. MERRI TT: - - cr oss exami ne. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Let me l ook at t hi s agai n. I 14 guess what st r i kes me i s t hat t he r ul es pr ovi de by 15 t hei r t er ms t wo t r i al s, and a Mayor ' s Agent hear i ng 16 i s a pecul i ar bl end of an adver sar i al hear i ng and a 17 publ i c hear i ng i n whi ch peopl e gi ve opi ni ons on 18 mat t er s. And whi l e ever yone i s swor n, i f we have 19 cr oss exami nat i on, I t hi nk t hat i t seems t o me t hat 20 i t ' s accept abl e i n t hi s cont ext f or Ms. Mer r i t t t o 21 act i n bot h capaci t i es. 22 MS. BROWN: And I woul d cont i nue t o not e my McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 12 1 obj ect i on f or t he r ecor d. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, f ai r enough. Now I do 3 have anot her mat t er t hat r el at es t o t he pr esence - - 4 pr eser vat i on l awyer s ar e a smal l communi t y and I am 5 cur r ent l y pl anni ng a nat i onal pr eser vat i on l aw 6 conf er ence wi t h t he Nat i onal Tr ust . I have no 7 pecuni ar y i nt er est i n i t , i t ' s st r i ct l y an 8 educat i onal mat t er , i t has not hi ng t o do wi t h 9 advocacy. But I want ed t o put t hat out her e t o gi ve 10 anyone a chance t o quest i on whet her I have a conf l i ct 11 of i nt er est . 12 I n my own vi ew, I have no concer n about my 13 abi l i t y t o deci de t he case on t he f act s and t he l aw, 14 but I t hought i t was appr opr i at e t o di scl ose t hat on 15 t he r ecor d at t he begi nni ng. Do you have any 16 concer ns? 17 MS. BROWN: No, I have no concer ns. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you, no concer ns. 19 Al l r i ght , good. So l et ' s t hen pr oceed wi t h t he 20 pr esent at i on by t he Appl i cant . 21 MS. BROWN: We qual i f i ed t hat t hese t wo 22 wi l l be par t i es, yes? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 13 1 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 2 MS. BROWN: We accept ed - - 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, I ' msor r y, yes, yes, 4 t hank you. 5 MS. BROWN: And t hen I ' d l i ke t o qual i f y 6 our wi t nesses as exper t s i n cer t ai n ar eas - - 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, yes. 8 MS. BROWN: Let me get t hei r r esums. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you want t o do t hat 10 i ndi vi dual l y as t hey t est i f y? 11 MS. BROWN: What ever i s - - 12 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk t hat ' s pr obabl y best . 13 MS. BROWN: Then we can go di r ect l y i nt o 14 our openi ng st at ement . 15 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you. 16 MS. BROWN: Act ual l y, I do have one 17 r equest . The Co- Appl i cant i s t he Di st r i ct of 18 Col umbi a, t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 20 MS. BROWN: And we have t wo r epr esent at i ves 21 f r omt he Di st r i ct her e. One i s Mar t i ne Combal f r om 22 t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce and t he ot her i s Ronan McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 14 1 Gul st one f r omKenyan McDuf f i e' s of f i ce and I was 2 wonder i ng i f i t ' s appr opr i at e f or t hemt o speak 3 f i r st . 4 J UDGE BYRNE: That woul d be f i ne. Pl ease, 5 come her e. Act ual l y, t he second chai r i s what we' l l 6 t r y t o do her e. Good mor ni ng. Pl ease st at e your 7 name f or t he r ecor d. 8 MS. COMBAL: Good mor ni ng, my name i s 9 Mar t i ne Combal , I amt he I nt er i mDeput y Di r ect or of 10 Real Est at e i n t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce f or Pl anni ng 11 and Economi c Devel opment . 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. 13 Wher eupon, 14 MARTI NE COMBAL 15 havi ng been pr evi ousl y dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 16 f ol l ows: 17 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 18 THE WI TNESS: Good mor ni ng. I amone of 19 t he Di st r i ct ' s pr oj ect execut i ves over seei ng t he 20 devel opment of t he McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on Si t e. 21 And unf or t unat el y, Deput y Mayor Mi l l er i s unabl e t o 22 at t end t hi s mor ni ng, so I amher e t o speak. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 15 1 On behal f of t he Deput y Mayor and t he Gr ay 2 Admi ni st r at i on, I amdel i ght ed t o be her e t oday t o 3 voi ce our st r ong suppor t f or t he par t i al demol i t i on 4 and over al l r edevel opment at t he f or mer McMi l l an Sand 5 Fi l t r at i on Si t e. I n f act , t he pr oj ect has had 6 unwaver i ng endor sement of not onl y t hi s 7 Admi ni st r at i on, but sever al pr evi ous admi ni st r at i ons, 8 as wel l . 9 The Ci t y pur chased t he pr oper t y i n 1987, 10 expl i ci t l y f or mi xed use r edevel opment t o benef i t t he 11 communi t y, t o devel op not j ust a good pr oj ect or a 12 gr eat pr oj ect , but an exempl ar y pr oj ect of speci al 13 mer i t t hat woul d benef i t t he communi t y- at - l ar ge. 14 The Ci t y has devel oped det ai l ed, 15 Compr ehensi ve Pl an l anguage f or t he McMi l l an si t e 16 cal l i ng f or a mi xed use r edevel opment wi t h 17 si gni f i cant communi t y benef i t , agai n, a pr oj ect of 18 speci al mer i t . 19 The Ci t y sel ect ed a mi xed use devel opment 20 t eam, Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s, VMP, i n 2007 wi t h t he 21 expl i ci t i nt ent of devel opi ng a mi xed use pr oj ect . 22 The VMP pl an has r ecei ved unani mous suppor t and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 16 1 appr oval of al l gover nment al bodi es because of i t s 2 consi st ency wi t h t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an and i t s 3 si gni f i cant communi t y benef i t s. 4 Thi s si t e has i ncr edi bl e hi st or i cal 5 si gni f i cance and nat ur al beaut y, t hough i t has been 6 i naccessi bl e t o t he publ i c. I t was bui l t as an 7 i ndust r i al si t e, a wat er f i l t r at i on pl ant , si nce i t s 8 openi ng t he ear l y 1900s. 9 The Di st r i ct , t oget her wi t h our devel opment 10 t eam, has devel oped a pl an t hat cel ebr at es and 11 pr eser ves t he hi st or y of t he si t e, t r ul y opens t he 12 f or mer f aci l i t y up t o t he publ i c and of f er s a br oad 13 and deep ar r ay of communi t y benef i t s t o Di st r i ct 14 r esi dent s of al l ages and mor e i mpor t ant , al l i ncome 15 l evel s. 16 The Di st r i ct ' s i nvol vement wi t h t he si t e 17 dat es back t o 1986, when t he Ar my Cor ps of Engi neer s, 18 t he owner s of t he si t e, decl ar ed i t sur pl us and asked 19 t he Gener al Ser vi ces Admi ni st r at i on t o di spose of i t . 20 GSA sear ched f or pr ospect i ve buyer s, 21 i nsi st i ng on sel l i ng t he pr oper t y f or mi xed 22 commer ci al devel opment and t he Di st r i ct acqui r ed t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 17 1 pr oper t y f or t hi s i nt ent . 2 The Di st r i ct conduct ed pl anni ng wor kshops 3 f or t he si t e i n 2000 f or pot ent i al new uses f or t he 4 si t e and sever al opt i ons wer e consi der ed, i ncl udi ng a 5 mi xed use r esi dent i al / r et ai l scenar i o wi t h a 6 si gni f i cant par k and open space component , as wel l as 7 hi st or i c pr eser vat i on el ement s. 8 The si t e cur r ent l y appear s as an open ar ea 9 of gr ass and t r ees, anchor ed by t wo ser vi ce cour t s 10 wi t h st r i ki ngl y di st i nct above- gr ound f eat ur es. 11 However , beneat h t he sur f ace ar e 20 unr ei nf or ced 12 concr et e f i l t er cel l s, each one acr e i n si ze and i n 13 var yi ng condi t i ons, some sever el y det er i or at ed. 14 MS. FERSTER: Obj ect i on. Do you have 15 qual i f i cat i ons t o eval uat e t he condi t i on of t he 16 under gr ound cel l s? 17 THE WI TNESS: I have been i nf or med by t he 18 devel opment communi t y, as wel l as our cont r act or s. 19 MS. FERSTER: I mean I under st and t hat you 20 wi l l have a st r uct ur al engi neer pr esent i ng t hat 21 i ssue, so I woul d obj ect t hat an unqual i f i ed wi t ness 22 t al k about t he st r uct ur al condi t i ons. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 18 1 MS. BROWN: She' s been seei ng t he r epor t s 2 of st r uct ur al engi neer s f or year s. She' s qual i f i ed 3 t o r epor t on what she has r ead f or t he Di st r i ct of 4 Col umbi a. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Over r ul ed. Go ahead. 6 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. The McMi l l an si t e 7 has been t he subj ect of communi t y di scussi ons f or 8 near l y 30 year s and some r esi dent s have advocat ed f or 9 onl y a par k on t he si t e. Today, t he si t e i s i n 10 di sr epai r , unsaf e and wai t i ng f or a new l i f e, wai t i ng 11 t o be opened up t o t he communi t y. 12 For t he Di st r i ct , her e i s a sever el y 13 under ut i l i zed pi ece of pr oper t y t hat i f pr oper l y 14 l ever aged, coul d yi el d a wor l d cl ass communi t y 15 st eeped i n hi st or y and compr i sed of si gni f i cant 16 pr eser vat i on, new mi xed i ncome housi ng, t he cr eat i on 17 of a medi cal di st r i ct t o cr eat e j obs at al l i ncome 18 l evel s i n a war d t hat has per eni al l y suf f er ed f r om 19 hi gh unempl oyment , whi l e cr eat i ng a mi x of r et ai l 20 uses and a gr ocer y st or e i n an under ser ved communi t y, 21 al ong wi t h si gni f i cant par ks and open spaces 22 t hr oughout , a devel opment of t r ue exempl ar y publ i c McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 19 1 benef i t , a pr oj ect of speci al mer i t . 2 The Di st r i ct set ver y r obust goal s f or 3 economi c devel opment and communi t y ameni t i es f or t he 4 si t e and we ar e so pl eased t hat t he var i ous el ement s 5 have been el egant l y i nt egr at ed i nt o t he pr oj ect . 6 As t he owner of t he pr oper t y, t he 7 Di st r i ct ' s speci f i c r ol e i s t o over see t he 8 ent i t l ement pr ocess t o ensur e t hat t he pr oj ect 9 maxi mi zes benef i t s t o t he communi t y and t o t he ci t y. 10 These i ncl ude open space par ks and gr een space, 11 hi st or i c pr eser vat i on and cul t ur al ameni t i es, 12 af f or dabl e housi ng, nei ghbor hood- ser vi ng r et ai l , j ob 13 cr eat i on ar ound a heal t h car e i ndust r y, a st r ong 14 compr ehensi ve set of communi t y benef i t s t hat assi st 15 t he communi t i es ar ound t he McMi l l an si t e and posi t i ve 16 f i scal and economi c i mpact s. 17 Ear l i er t hi s year , t he Di st r i ct t ur ned t o 18 t he McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on Si t e as a r esour ce t o 19 assess st or mwat er management concer ns i n War d 5. 20 Demol i t i on of t wo cel l s and an adapt at i on of a t hi r d 21 cel l was appr oved by t he Mayor ' s Agent t o al l ow t he 22 si t e t o ser ve t he ci t y. Once agai n, and on a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 20 1 br oader , mor e i mpact f ul way, we ar e l ooki ng t o use 2 t he si t e t o st r engt hen t he Di st r i ct and t he 3 communi t y. 4 I woul d l i ke t o br i ef l y f ocus on some of 5 t he communi t y benef i t s t he pr oj ect of f er s. Fi r st , 6 t he mul t i f ami l y par cel s, whi ch compr i se appr oxi mat el y 7 25 per cent of t he devel opment pr ogr am, wi l l be f ul l y 8 devel oped by J ai r Lynch Devel opment Par t ner s, whi ch 9 i s a Cer t i f i ed Busi ness Ent er pr i se devel oper , a CBE. 10 Second, our f i scal anal ysi s est i mat es t hat 11 3, 200 per manent j obs and 3, 000 t empor ar y const r uct i on 12 j obs wi l l be cr eat ed by t he PUD i n over a 30- year 13 per i od. The pr oj ect wi l l gener at e 1. 2 bi l l i on i n new 14 t ax r evenues. 15 The si t e i s not downt own and i t i s i n a 16 l ocat i on wher e j obs acr oss t he i ncome spect r umar e 17 vi t al oppor t uni t i es f or l ocal r esi dent s. The 18 Di st r i ct needs t hese j obs. 19 Thi r d, we see an expansi on of much needed 20 af f or dabl e housi ng. The si t e wi l l have af f or dabl e 21 uni t s of appr oxi mat el y 20 per cent of t he t ot al 22 devel opment , t ot al devel oped uni t s, as wel l as McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 21 1 af f or dabl e, pl us wor kf or ce housi ng wi l l be 2 appr oxi mat el y 60 per cent of t he t ot al uni t s, 3 i ncl udi ng nei ghbor hood- ser vi ng r et ai l f or an ar ea 4 t hat has been deemed a f ood deser t , as wel l as ot her 5 communi t y ameni t i es. 6 Four t h, most of t he si t e' s most i mpor t ant 7 hi st or i c at t r i but es, al l 20 si l os, al l f our r egul at or 8 houses, t he pl ane- l i ke pl i nt hs, t he ser vi ce cour t s 9 and t wo cel l s wi l l be not onl y pr eser ved, but 10 r ei nvi gor at ed. 11 Fi f t h, we see what wi l l unquest i onabl y be, 12 at 12 acr es, t he ci t y' s l ar gest new par k syst em. And 13 t hi s par k syst emwi l l be seaml essl y woven i nt o t he 14 pr eser vat i on and devel opment pr ogr am, demonst r at i ng 15 exempl ar y l and pl anni ng t o go al ong wi t h t he vast 16 publ i c benef i t s. 17 I n concl usi on, t hi s i s not an easy si t e t o 18 devel op; i t i s compl ex, t o say t he ver y l east . As 19 st af f not ed dur i ng t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew 20 Boar d pr ocess, quot e, " The McMi l l an si t e r epr esent s 21 one of t he most chal l engi ng si t es i magi nabl e t o bot h 22 pr eser ve and adapt f or cur r ent use. The det er i or at ed McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 22 1 st r uct ur al condi t i on, t he pauci t y of vi abl e r euse 2 opt i ons f or t he bel ow gr ade cel l s, t he enor mi t y of 3 i nf r ast r uct ur e and si t e al t er at i on necessar y t o 4 st abi l i ze t he si t e have made pl anni ng f or t he 5 pr eser vat i on adapt at i on of t he si t e unusual l y 6 di f f i cul t , " end quot e. Thi s i s f r omt he Hi st or i c 7 Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d r epor t i n 2012. 8 HPRB not ed i n i t s appr oval of t he pr oj ect 9 t hat t he pr oj ect r et ai ns, quot e, " . . . i mpor t ant 10 char act er - def i ni ng f eat ur es of t he si t e, suf f i ci ent 11 t o convey i t s hi st or i c char act er i st i cs and 12 r epr esent s an ar chi t ect ur al l y coor di nat ed and 13 cohesi ve appr oach. " 14 The Di st r i ct concur s wi t h t he HPRB and 15 bel i eves t hat t he devel opment t eamhas st r uck a 16 symbi ot i c bal ance of economi c devel opment and 17 pr eser vat i on of open space and hi st or i c st r uct ur es, 18 of f i scal i mpact and communi t y ameni t i es and 19 r eweavi ng t he ur ban f abr i c, whi l e di st i ngui shi ng a 20 ver y i mpor t ant hi st or i c l andmar k. Col l ect i vel y, t hey 21 have maxi mi zed t he over al l benef i t s t o bot h t he 22 sur r oundi ng communi t i es and t he Di st r i ct as a whol e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 23 1 Thi s pr oj ect has gone t hr ough a l engt hy 2 ent i t l ement pr ocess, get t i ng bet t er each st ep of t he 3 way. The HPRB has appr oved t hi s pr oj ect , al l 4 appr opr i at e Di st r i ct agenci es have appr oved t he 5 pr oj ect . Last Monday eveni ng, t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on 6 t ook pr oposed act i on and appr oved t he PUD. Each of 7 t hese bodi es i n t hei r own way wer e l ooki ng f or st r ong 8 speci al mer i t t o appr ove t he pr oj ect . Each of t hem 9 ul t i mat el y f ound j ust t hat and pr ovi ded a st r ong 10 endor sement of t he pl an and t he communi t y benef i t s. 11 As such, t he Di st r i ct bel i eves 12 unequi vocal l y t hat t he exempl ar y l and pl anni ng, t he 13 st r ong pr eser vat i on pr ogr amand t he communi t ywi de 14 benef i t s of t hi s pr oj ect gr eat l y out wei gh t he l oss 15 of t he 16 cel l s t hat need t o be demol i shed f or t he 16 pr oj ect t o pr oceed. 17 We bel i eve t hat t hi s pr oj ect i s exact l y t he 18 t ype of pr oj ect f or whi ch speci al mer i t shoul d be 19 gr ant ed. The Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce r espect f ul l y 20 r equest s t hat t he Mayor ' s Agent appr ove t hi s 21 appl i cat i on so we may move f or war d wi t h t hi s 22 except i onal pr oj ect . Thank you. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 24 1 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. Ms. Br own, do you 2 have any f ur t her quest i ons? 3 MS. BROWN: No quest i ons. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Cr oss exami nat i on? 5 MS. FERSTER: A coupl e of quest i ons, t hank 6 you. 7 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 8 BY MS. FERSTER: 9 Q So you indicated that D.C. purchased the 10 property in 1986. Do you know what the purchase 11 price you paid for the property was? 12 A I do not have t hat i nf or mat i on of f hand, but 13 I can def er t o our par t ner s at BMP. 14 Q Approximately, does $9.3 million ring a 15 bell to you? 16 MS. BROWN: Asked and answer ed. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, sust ai ned. 18 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 19 Q Well, I'd be happy to show you a document. 20 MS. BROWN: That was not par t of her 21 di r ect , t he pr i ce of t he pr oper t y. 22 MS. FERSTER: I t ' s wi t hi n t he scope of her McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 25 1 di r ect , t hat D. C. pur chased t he pr oper t y. 2 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q I'm going to show you -- you represent the 4 District of Columbia -- I'm going to show you a cash 5 sale document from 1990 showing a recorded deed. And 6 if you could read that, in Paragraph 2, what that 7 indicates the price paid for this property was. 8 MS. BROWN: Agai n, she di dn' t t est i f y t o 9 t he pr i ce. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk t hi s i s sor t of 11 pushi ng t he wi t ness i n a pl ace t hat ' s i nappr opr i at e. 12 I t hi nk i f you want t o pr esent t est i mony l at er on 13 about t he pr i ce pai d, t hat wi l l be f i ne, but I t hi nk 14 not now. 15 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 16 Q So you work for the Deputy Mayor in 17 Economic Development, so how long have you worked 18 there? 19 A I have wor ked f or t he Di st r i ct gover nment 20 f or ni ne year s. 21 Q And specifically for the Deputy Mayor of 22 Economic Development? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 26 1 A I wor ked f or t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce f r om 2 2005 t o I bel i eve August 2008, at whi ch poi nt , I went 3 t o t he Depar t ment of Housi ng and Communi t y 4 Devel opment and wor ked t her e f or t hr ee and a hal f 5 year s, and t hen came back al most t hr ee year s ago. 6 Q And what would you say your involvement is 7 in public-private partnership projects similar to the 8 McMillan project? 9 MS. BROWN: And I ' mgoi ng t o obj ect agai n 10 because t hat wasn' t par t of her di r ect t est i mony. 11 She' s her e as a wi t ness and she pr esent ed her 12 t est i mony. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: I ' mgoi ng t o l et t hat 14 quest i on go. 15 THE WI TNESS: I have wor ked on publ i c- 16 pr i vat e par t ner shi ps f or t he l ast ni ne year s. I 17 st ar t ed wor ki ng on a pr ogr amcal l ed t he Home Agai n 18 I ni t i at i ve and have wor ked on nei ghbor hood 19 st abi l i zat i on pr oj ect s f or t he l ast ni ne year s. 20 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 21 Q And those are in the District of Columbia. 22 A Al l of t hemar e i n t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 27 1 because I ' ve onl y wor ked f or t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a 2 Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce f or Pl anni ng and Economi c 3 Devel opment . 4 Q Good point. And can you name a couple of 5 those public-private partnership projects that you 6 worked on? 7 A Do you want me t o go t hr ough al l of t hem? 8 Q Well, I can ask you -- 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Can you gi ve us a sense of 10 wher e you' r e goi ng wi t h t hi s? 11 MS. FERSTER: I woul d l i ke t he wi t ness t o 12 pr ovi de - - my next quest i on wi l l be t o pr ovi de an 13 assessment of t he l evel of benef i t s of f er ed by t hi s 14 pr oj ect , compar ed t o ot her publ i c- pr i vat e 15 par t ner shi ps t hat you' ve wor ked on. So t hat ' s not my 16 quest i on, but t hat ' s wher e I ' mgoi ng. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk i t woul d onl y be 18 r el evant f or hi st or i c pr eser vat i on cases. 19 MS. FERSTER: Hmm? 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Woul dn' t i t onl y be r el evant 21 f or hi st or i c pr eser vat i on cases? 22 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , exact l y, exact l y, and I McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 28 1 t hi nk t he poi nt I woul d l i ke t o make i s t hat t he 2 l evel of benef i t s of f er ed her e i s pr obabl y si mi l ar t o 3 ot her publ i c- pr i vat e par t ner shi ps. 4 MS. BROWN: And you know, she' s t est i f yi ng 5 now. 6 MS. FERSTER: I ' mj ust answer i ng - - 7 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s not evi dence, she' s 8 suggest i ng what she woul d l i ke t o br i ng out . 9 MS. FERSTER: Yes. And so one woul d assume 10 t hat , you know, t hi s pr oj ect shoul d have a hi gher 11 l evel of publ i c benef i t because i t does i nvol ve a 12 speci al mer i t pr oj ect , as opposed t o t he ot her 13 par t ner shi ps. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: I don' t t hi nk so, I don' t 15 t hi nk t hat ' s act ual l y a r el evant poi nt . I t hi nk t he 16 quest i on i s whet her i t ' s speci al mer i t f or hi st or i c 17 pr eser vat i on, and what t he publ i c benef i t s wer e i n 18 non- hi st or i c pr eser vat i on cases t hat di dn' t get 19 eval uat ed f or speci al mer i t s, i t doesn' t seemr eal l y 20 r el evant t o me. 21 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , i f I mi ght j ust 22 el abor at e on t hat poi nt , I t hi nk what t he deci si ons McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 29 1 of t he cour t and t he Mayor ' s Agent have made cl ear i s 2 t hat aspect s of t he pr oj ect t hat ar e common t o ot her 3 devel opment pr oj ect s t hat ar e non- hi st or i c 4 pr eser vat i on pr oj ect s don' t qual i f y f or speci al mer i t 5 consi der at i on. So i n t hi s case - - 6 MS. BROWN: And I t hi nk her 7 r epr esent at i onal - - 8 J UDGE BYRNE: Hol d on. 9 MS. FERSTER: So i n t hi s case, I do t hi nk 10 i t ' s r el evant t hat t he benef i t s t hat ar e of f er ed i n 11 t hi s case ar e pr obabl y si mi l ar t o or pr obabl y even 12 l ess t han t he benef i t s t hat ar e of f er ed i n non- 13 hi st or i c pr eser vat i on cases. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: I don' t t hi nk I want t o go 15 t her e, I t hi nk t hat ' s a ver y - - t her e' s a l ot of 16 f act or s t her e t hat ar e ver y har d t o eval uat e and I 17 honest l y don' t - - I mean I under st and t he poi nt 18 you' r e maki ng, but I t hi nk t he f act t hat t her e may be 19 ot her publ i c- pr i vat e pr oj ect s t hat have what I or you 20 may consi der t o be gr eat er publ i c benef i t s r eal l y 21 doesn' t go t o t he l egal quest i on her e. So I ' mnot 22 goi ng t o al l ow i t . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 30 1 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 2 Q So let me ask you just a couple of 3 questions about your testimony about the benefits 4 that you believe outweigh the destruction of the 5 historic resources in this case. You talked 6 specifically about tax benefit. 7 A Mm- hmm( nods i n t he af f i r mat i ve) . 8 Q Are you aware of the fact that the District 9 of Columbia is assuming that there will be 10 significant tax abatements provided to the developer, 11 the ultimate developer of this project? 12 MS. BROWN: And I ' l l obj ect t o t hat because 13 I don' t t hi nk t her e' s been any t est i mony about t ax 14 abat ement s. 15 MS. FERSTER: I mean, you know, t hi s i s t he 16 Di st r i ct of Col umbi a' s wi t ness and she cl ai ms t o be 17 knowl edgeabl e about t hi s par t i cul ar pr oj ect , so I 18 t hi nk she coul d t est i f y t o t he benef i t s t hat ar e 19 bei ng of f er ed. I f she i s not knowl edgeabl e about 20 t hat , t hen her t est i mony i s not - - 21 MS. BROWN: No, i t wasn' t on di r ect . 22 MS. FERSTER: She di d t est i f y about t he t ax McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 31 1 benef i t s. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: She t est i f i ed t hat t her e' d be 3 t ax benef i t s. 4 MS. FERSTER: Yes. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: So I t hi nk a l i t t l e bi t of 6 quest i oni ng about t he di mensi ons of t he t ax benef i t s 7 woul d be appr opr i at e. 8 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 9 Q Well, my specific question, and I 10 understand there's been a Green Door Advisors report. 11 Are you familiar with that report that's been 12 prepared that describes I think the tax benefits that 13 you summarized? And so one of those tax benefits 14 that you're assuming is a property tax benefit, is 15 that correct? 16 A My under st andi ng of t he t ax benef i t s ar e 17 i ncome, sal es and pr oper t y t ax r evenue t hat woul d be 18 comi ng t o t he ci t y t hat make up t hat over al l t ax 19 benef i t . 20 Q Mm-hmm. And are you aware of the fact that 21 under the exclusive rights agreement with the Vision 22 McMillan Partners, that you have assured Vision McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 32 1 McMillan Partners that you will pursue property tax 2 abatement, you, the District of Columbia? 3 MS. BROWN: And I ' mj ust cur i ous, agai n, we 4 di dn' t hear any t est i mony about t he excl usi ve r i ght s 5 agr eement . 6 J UDGE BYRNE: Ri ght , so I guess I woul d 7 j ust ask i s i t cont empl at ed t hat t her e' l l be t ax 8 abat ement , pr oper t y t ax abat ement f or t he devel oper s 9 as par t of t hi s? 10 THE WI TNESS: Not at t hi s t i me. We haven' t 11 di scussed t hat . 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you. 13 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 14 Q So let's talk a little bit about affordable 15 housing. Is this project going to be subject to an 16 affordable dwelling unit agreement with the District 17 of Columbia? 18 A Yes. 19 Q And are you familiar with affordable 20 dwelling unit agreements that the District of 21 Columbia has been -- 22 A Yes. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 33 1 Q -- entered into in the past? And isn't it 2 correct that every agreement that the District of 3 Columbia government has been a party to involving 4 affordable dwelling unit programs, both condo and 5 rental, have included the requirement of a maximum 20 6 percent of the units to be affordable? 7 A Sor r y, you' r e sayi ng t hat ever y pr oj ect t he 8 Di st r i ct has ever - - 9 Q Every project involving affordable dwelling 10 unit agreements. 11 A I t ' s on a case- by- case basi s and i t depends 12 on t he pr oj ect . 13 Q Are you aware of any affordable dwelling 14 unit agreements that do not require 20 percent of the 15 units to be affordable? 16 MS. BROWN: I ' mst ar t i ng t o t hi nk we' r e 17 wander i ng beyond her di r ect t est i mony her e. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Wel l , I ' mgoi ng t o l et i t go 19 a l i t t l e bi t l onger . Pl ease answer t he quest i on. 20 THE WI TNESS: I bel i eve t her e ar e ot her 21 pr oj ect s; however , I do not have t hat i nf or mat i on i n 22 f r ont of me, I don' t have a l i st of pr oj ect s i n ever y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 34 1 ADU covenant t hat was ent er ed wi t h me t oday. 2 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q And do you believe that it's typical for 4 ADU agreements to have a requirement that the 5 affordable units be spread across different 6 categories of area median income, for example, you 7 know, percentages for 30 percent area median income, 8 percentages for 50 percent area median income and 9 percentages for 80 percent area median income? 10 A Agai n, t hat ' s t he pol i cy of t he Di st r i ct 11 and i t depends on t he capaci t y of t he pr oj ect , t he 12 economi c capaci t y, and t hat ' s somet hi ng t hat ' s 13 gener al l y negot i at ed wi t h our devel opment par t ner s. 14 Q Are you familiar with the Justice Park 15 public-private partnership development? 16 A On t he edges, but I do not wor k di r ect l y on 17 J ust i ce Par k. 18 MS. BROWN: I ' d have t o ask what ' s t he 19 r el evance, I mean I t hi nk we have got t en past her 20 di r ect t est i mony. 21 MS. FERSTER: I mean t he wi t ness di d 22 t est i f y t hat she bel i eves t hese af f or dabl e housi ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 35 1 benef i t s ar e of a speci al mer i t qual i t y. And so I 2 t hi nk i t i s r el evant t o pr obe t he wi t ness about ot her 3 af f or dabl e housi ng pr oj ect s t hat t he Di st r i ct of 4 Col umbi a has been i nvol ved wi t h. 5 MS. BROWN: But agai n, as t he Mayor ' s Agent 6 di r ect or her e, we' r e wor r i ed about speci al mer i t 7 pr oj ect s wi t h hi st or i c pr eser vat i on. 8 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you have mor e on t hi s 9 af f or dabl e housi ng par t ? 10 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , I di d want t o have a 11 f ol l ow- up quest i on about t he J ust i ce Par k pr oj ect . 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Wel l , she sai d she doesn' t 13 know t hat much about i t . 14 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 15 Q Do you know something about it or do you 16 know whether or not it has a hundred percent 17 affordable housing in it? 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Ther e ar e ot her cases wher e 19 t her e ar e 100 per cent af f or dabl e housi ng pr oj ect s. I 20 have a case pendi ng wi t h me, so t hat does exi st . 21 MS. FERSTER: Mm- hmm, t hank you. 22 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 36 1 Q So you would agree that there are public- 2 private partnerships that the District of Columbia 3 entered into that are a hundred percent or more than 4 30 percent affordable housing. 5 A Of cour se, t he Depar t ment of Housi ng and 6 Communi t y Devel opment pr ovi des l oans and gr ant s t o 7 devel oper s and I woul d consi der t hat a publ i c- pr i vat e 8 par t ner shi p. I t ' s not excl usi ve t o pr oj ect s t hat 9 i ncl ude Di st r i ct l and t o be consi der ed a publ i c- 10 pr i vat e par t ner shi p. 11 Q You did testify that you had ensured that 12 the entities that were part of VMP are certified 13 business enterprises? 14 A Yes. 15 Q JL Development Partners, is that a 16 certified business enterprise? 17 MS. BROWN: Obj ect i on, I don' t t hi nk she 18 sai d - - 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, she j ust ment i oned J ai r 20 Lynch bei ng cer t i f i ed. 21 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 22 Q Okay, so only one, then, only one of the McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 37 1 partners. 2 A Yes. 3 MS. BROWN: Wel l , she ment i oned - - 4 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 5 Q Okay, now you testified that the affordable 6 housing for this project would be 20 percent 7 affordable housing. And how much of that 20 percent 8 is for persons earning 30 percent or less of area 9 median income? 10 A My under st andi ng i s t hat none of t he uni t s 11 ar e cur r ent l y cat egor i zed at 30 per cent AMI , t her e 12 ar e bet ween 50 and 80 per cent AMI . And some of t hat 13 I t hi nk i s goi ng t o shi f t on t he number of t he 14 over al l uni t s as t o what t hat exact per cent age i s 15 goi ng t o be. 16 Q And how many of these units are going to be 17 available to persons earning in excess of 80 percent 18 AMI? 19 A I n excess, I bel i eve i n my t est i mony, I 20 sai d t hat 60 per cent of t he af f or dabl e and t he 21 wor kf or ce, so t hat woul d be 40 per cent of t he t ot al 22 uni t s. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 38 1 Q 40 percent of the units are available to 2 people in excess of 80 percent. 3 A 80 t o 120 per cent AMI i s gener al l y what ' s 4 consi der ed wor kf or ce. 5 Q Can you just clarify, 40 to 80 percent AM 6 -- how many units are available to people who make 7 between, you know, what you call workforce housing, 8 how many of those units, and what is the area median 9 income for workforce housing? 10 A I t hi nk I j ust answer ed t hat quest i on. 11 Q Yeah, I'm sorry. 12 A Can you r epeat t he quest i on? 13 Q I did not get exactly the number of units 14 that you specified would be available to persons who 15 make I guess what you would consider workforce 16 housing units. 17 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk she gave a per cent age. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: She gave a per cent age. 19 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 20 Q That was the 40 percent number, so that 40 21 percent number. What is the range of the income that 22 40 percent will earn? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 39 1 A I t ' s bet ween 80 per cent and 120 per cent AMI 2 and t he AMI changes ever y year , based on HUD' s 3 desi gnat i on, so i t wi l l change as HUD updat es t hat 4 number . 5 Q Okay, thanks. So the 40 percent -- let me 6 just get this correct. You're saying that 40 percent 7 of the units will be made available to persons 8 earning between 80 to 120 percent AMI. 9 A Yes, and I woul d def er t o t he VMP t eamt o 10 answer mor e speci f i c quest i ons on t he t ot al number of 11 uni t s. 12 Q And do you know currently, what the AMI is 13 for a family of four for this area? 14 A I haven' t l ooked at t he AMI number t hi s 15 year . I bel i eve i t was ar ound 106, $107, 000. 00. 16 I t ' s act ual l y st abl e over t he l ast f ew year s and i t 17 had gone down I t hi nk at one poi nt . 18 MS. FERSTER: I s t her e a wi t ness who' s 19 goi ng t o be speaki ng mor e di r ect l y t o t he t ax 20 abat ement s t hat ar e bei ng pr ovi ded or i s t hi s t he 21 Di st r i ct of Col umbi a' s - - 22 MS. BROWN: You' l l f i nd out . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 40 1 MS. FERSTER: Because I di d want t o go a 2 l i t t l e bi t mor e, I j ust want t o under st and at what 3 poi nt t he t ax abat ement i s goi ng t o be pr ovi ded i n 4 t hi s pr oceedi ng. 5 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 6 Q Is that you, are you the person who's 7 testifying -- 8 MS. BROWN: She can' t answer t hat . 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, she t est i f i ed. 10 MS. FERSTER: Okay, I t hi nk t hat ' s i t . 11 MS. MERRI TT: I have a coupl e of quest i ons. 12 BY MS. MERRI TT: 13 Q Do you know how much the city will be 14 spending to build the community center? 15 A I do not have t hat i nf or mat i on, of f hand, 16 and VMP has some mor e pr oj ect budget i nf or mat i on t hat 17 t hey shoul d be abl e t o shar e. 18 Q Okay, just one more related question. Do 19 you know how much the city will be spending to build 20 the roads? 21 A Agai n, I woul d def er t o VMP, but my 22 under st andi ng i s t hat t hose r oads wi l l be pr i vat e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 41 1 r oads. 2 Q Yeah, we heard that they're going to be 3 constructed by the city, but if you don't know, we'll 4 ask someone else. 5 Do you know what the total amount of the 6 city's subsidy is for the project in kind of 7 characterizing the big picture of the public-private 8 partnership? What's the total amount that the 9 city -- 10 MS. BROWN: Can we get a cl ar i f i cat i on on 11 t hat of what you mean by subsi dy? 12 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 13 Q Well, my questions were related to the 14 claims about number of jobs and creation of a new 15 park. And so the question, and I realize you don't 16 know the answers to most of my questions, was 17 designed to explore the relationship between the 18 question of whether this level of construction is 19 necessary in order to achieve those benefits and the 20 city's own funding of elements of the project, in our 21 view, makes the demolition work necessary. So that's 22 why I'm trying to pin down the -- McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 42 1 MS. BROWN: And I j ust r eal l y - - I mean 2 t hat ' s what you meant by subsi dy. But I t hi nk al so, 3 she di dn' t t est i f y t o t he budget of t he ci t y, as 4 wel l . 5 J UDGE BYRNE: I s t her e goi ng t o be 6 t est i mony about t he over al l economi cs of t he pr oj ect ? 7 MS. BROWN: We wi l l have some t est i mony t o 8 t hat degr ee. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Maybe we' l l wai t and sor t of 10 see what t hat l ooks l i ke. They' r e t he Appl i cant , 11 t hey have t he bur den of pr oof , so - - 12 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 13 Q You mentioned that you considered some 14 alternative scenarios, I think, in your testimony. 15 What did those involve? 16 A Our par t ner s at VMP went t hr ough a ser i es 17 of i t er at i ons t hat have pl ayed out wi t h t he communi t y 18 and I agai n woul d def er t o t hemt o t al k mor e 19 speci f i cal l y about t he hi st or y of t hose al t er nat i ves. 20 But I wi l l say gener al l y, wi t h a si t e l i ke 21 t hi s and t he char act er i st i cs of i t , i t ' s a bal anci ng 22 act bet ween t he benef i t s and t he over al l goal of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 43 1 achi evi ng economi c devel opment , communi t y benef i t s 2 and r evi t al i zi ng t hat por t i on of t he ci t y. 3 Q Did the City consider any other developers, 4 did they talk to other developers in the process of 5 coming to this public-private partnership 6 arrangement? 7 A I have some hi st or y on t he pr oj ect pr i or t o 8 my i nvol vement . Even bef or e I st ar t ed wi t h t he ci t y, 9 t her e was an RFP t hat was i ssued. At t he t i me, i t 10 was t he Nat i onal Capi t al Revi t al i zat i on Cor por at i on 11 t hat went out wi t h an RFP and t her e wer e sever al 12 ot her appl i cant s. 13 Q Do you know how many applicants there were 14 in response to that RFP? 15 A No. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: She wasn' t t her e. 17 MS. MERRI TT: I have no f ur t her quest i ons. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, so I have a coupl e of 19 quest i ons. So t el l me about - - f i r st of al l , a 20 si mpl e quest i on. A cer t i f i ed busi ness devel oper , can 21 you t el l me what t hat i s? 22 THE WI TNESS: A cer t i f i ed busi ness McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 44 1 ent er pr i se - - 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 3 THE WI TNESS: - - i s a desi gnat i on t hat i s 4 al l ocat ed by t he Depar t ment of Smal l and Local 5 Busi ness Devel opment , DSLBD. The def i ni t i on has 6 changed over r ecent year s, but i t ' s essent i al l y a 7 l ocal busi ness t hat oper at es out of t he Di st r i ct of 8 Col umbi a. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: I see, a l ocal busi ness. 10 THE WI TNESS: Ther e ar e di f f er ent 11 cat egor i es of t hat t hat you can appl y f or . I ' mnot 12 an exper t i n t hat par t i cul ar f i el d, i n t hat 13 desi gnat i on, but - - 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, so you of f er ed t hat as 15 sor t of one of t he benef i t s of t hi s. 16 THE WI TNESS: Yes. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Maybe we can hear l at er on 18 about why t hat ' s si gni f i cant . The ot her quest i on was 19 j ust i n your exper i ence i n t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce 20 and I guess DHCD, as wel l , about t he use of ent er i ng 21 i nt o excl usi ve agr eement s wi t h par t i cul ar devel opment 22 t eams, as opposed t o havi ng sor t of a di f f er ent - - as McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 45 1 t o havi ng, f or exampl e, sor t of a pr oposal f or a 2 cont est , desi gn cont est , t hat sor t of t hi ng. 3 J ust t el l me a l i t t l e bi t about t he 4 pr act i ce of wor ki ng wi t h sor t of a sel ect ed 5 devel opment t eambef or e t he pr oj ect i s pl anned. 6 THE WI TNESS: Wel l , i f I coul d answer 7 gener al l y, an excl usi ve r i ght s agr eement f or t he most 8 par t i s an agr eement t o negot i at e i n good f ai t h and 9 t o sor t of wor k t hr ough cer t ai n i ssues t hat ar e known 10 at t hat poi nt i n t i me wi t h t he pr oj ect , but 11 acknowl edgi ng t hat t her e ar e ot her I guess pi eces of 12 i nf or mat i on, i nvest i gat i ons t hat woul d need t o be 13 done t hat need t o be put i n pl ace pr i or t o ent er i ng 14 i nt o what we cal l a l and di sposi t i on agr eement . So 15 t hat ' s gener al l y t he pur pose t her e. 16 Our of f i ce has done t hat on a coupl e of 17 pr oj ect s and f or a pr oj ect of t hi s si ze, agai n, I 18 woul d say t her e ar e a l ot of compl exi t i es t o i t - - 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 20 THE WI TNESS: - - t hat we don' t necessar i l y 21 know t oday and t hat we need t o have t hat document i n 22 pl ace t o gi ve t he devel opment t eamand t he Ci t y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 46 1 assur ance t hat we ar e wor ki ng i n a par t ner shi p 2 t owar ds t he ul t i mat e di sposi t i on. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: So woul d you say t hat t he 4 compl exi t y of t he pr oj ect i s an i mpor t ant f act or i n 5 ent er i ng i nt o one of t hese excl usi ve agr eement s 6 bef or e t her e' s a desi gn devel oped f or t he si t e or 7 some sor t of ot her pr ocedur e t o get t o a desi r abl e 8 out come? 9 THE WI TNESS: I woul d say yes, t he 10 compl exi t y of a pr oj ect does somet i mes beg you t o 11 devi at e f r omyour pr ocesses. We have di f f er ent 12 t ool s, di f f er ent l egal i nst r ument s i n our of f i ce and 13 an excl usi ve r i ght s agr eement i s one of t hose t ool s. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , t hank you. I 15 don' t have anyt hi ng el se. Do you have anyt hi ng? 16 MS. BROWN: I do have one qui ck quest i on. 17 REDI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 18 BY MS. BROWN: 19 Q Are you familiar with the Randall School 20 Project? 21 A Agai n, j ust sor t of gener al l y, yeah. 22 Q Thank you, that's all. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 47 1 MS. BROWN: Thank you. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much. 3 MS. BROWN: And I j ust want ed t o cl ar i f y 4 f or t he r ecor d, I amr epr esent i ng Vi si on McMi l l an 5 Par t ner s and t he Di st r i ct i s a Co- Appl i cant , so I 6 j ust want ed t o make sur e t hat I amnot necessar i l y 7 t he counsel f or t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a i n t hi s 8 mat t er . I ' mnot sur e i f t hat was cl ear on t he 9 r ecor d. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: So t hat t hey ar e par t ner s t o 11 t he pr oj ect . 12 MS. BROWN: Yes, t hey ar e. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, I under st and t he 14 di f f er ence. 15 MS. BROWN: Thank you. And I under st and 16 t hat Ronan Gul st one f r omKenyan McDuf f i e i s her e f or 17 a st at ement . 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Second chai r , pl ease. Good 19 mor ni ng. 20 THE WI TNESS: Good mor ni ng. How ar e you? 21 J UDGE BYRNE: Pl ease st at e your name f or 22 t he r ecor d. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 48 1 THE WI TNESS: Thank you, Ronan Gul st one. 2 Wher eupon, 3 RONAN GULSTONE 4 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 5 f ol l ows: 6 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 7 THE WI TNESS: Good mor ni ng, my name i s 8 Ronan Gul st one, I ' mt he Deput y Chi ef of St af f f or 9 Kenyan McDuf f i e, counci l member f or War d 5, t he 10 counci l member whose war d i n whi ch t he McMi l l an Sand 11 Fi l t r at i on Si t e i s l ocat ed. 12 On behal f of Counci l member McDuf f i e, i t i s 13 my honor and pr i vi l ege t o pr esent t hi s t est i mony i n 14 st r ong suppor t of Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s, LLC, and 15 t he Deput y Mayor f or Pl anni ng and Economi c 16 Devel opment ' s appl i cat i on f or par t i al demol i t i on at 17 t he McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on Si t e. 18 Pur suant t o D. C. Of f i ci al Code, Sect i on 19 6- 1101 and what f ol l ows, t hi s body may aut hor i ze t he 20 i ssuance of a per mi t t o par t i al l y demol i sh a hi st or i c 21 l andmar k wher e i t f i nds i t necessar y t o al l ow t he 22 const r uct i on of a pr oj ect of speci al mer i t . For t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 49 1 r easons I wi l l t est i f y t o, Counci l member McDuf f i e 2 hopes t hat t he Mayor ' s Agent wi l l appr ove 3 appl i cat i on. 4 As way of backgr ound and t o put some of t he 5 comment s i n t hi s t est i mony i n cont ext , I ' l l speak 6 br i ef l y about Counci l member McDuf f i e' s r el at i on t o 7 t hi s pr oj ect . Counci l member McDuf f i e i s a t hi r d 8 gener at i on, l i f el ong r esi dent of t he Di st r i ct of 9 Col umbi a. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: Si r , coul d you speak up a 11 l i t t l e bi t , some of t he peopl e i n t he back can' t hear 12 you ver y wel l . 13 THE WI TNESS: Sor r y. I n f act , he cur r ent l y 14 r esi des i n a home on Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet , whi ch i s 15 di r ect l y adj acent t o t he McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on 16 Si t e. The home i s t he same home he was r ai sed i n and 17 was pur chased by hi s gr andpar ent s i n 1951. 18 Counci l member McDuf f i e was el ect ed t o t he 19 Counci l i n 2012. However , hi s communi t y i nvol vement 20 and l eader shi p sur r oundi ng t he McMi l l an Redevel opment 21 Pl an di d not st ar t t her e. Counci l member McDuf f i e was 22 a member of t he McMi l l an Advi sor y Gr oup, al so known McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 50 1 as MAG, f r omappr oxi mat el y 2008 t o 2010, when he 2 r esi gned t o r un f or Counci l . 3 Addi t i onal l y, i n about 2002 and agai n i n 4 about 2009 t o 2010, Counci l member McDuf f i e ser ved as 5 t he St r onghol d Ci vi c Associ at i on pr esi dent , whi ch as 6 you wel l know i s di r ect l y adj acent t o t he McMi l l an 7 si t e. I n bot h of t hose capaci t i es and i n hi s cur r ent 8 capaci t y, Counci l member McDuf f i e has par t i ci pat ed i n 9 count l ess open communi t y meet i ngs r egar di ng t he 10 pr oposal t o adapt i vel y r euse t he McMi l l an Sand 11 Fi l t r at i on Si t e. 12 The r esul t of t he year s of communi t y 13 meet i ngs and pl anni ng by VMP and t he Di st r i ct i s what 14 wi l l unquest i onabl y be a wor l d cl ass pr oj ect t hat 15 achi eves al l of t he obj ect i ves of t he Di st r i ct , t he 16 Compr ehensi ve Pl an and t he communi t y, i ncl udi ng open 17 space, hi st or i cal pr eser vat i on, mi xed i ncome housi ng, 18 j obs, a new t ax base, and t he openi ng of t he 19 wonder f ul hi st or i c asset t o t he ci t y and i t s 20 r esi dent s. 21 The pl an bef or e you i s a bal anced pl an, 22 wor ked on f or seven year s by VMP, t he Di st r i ct and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 51 1 t he communi t y. Most i mpor t ant l y and what 2 Counci l member McDuf f i e has f ought t o ensur e si nce at 3 l east 2000, and why he i s such an ar dent suppor t er , 4 t hi s pr oj ect wi l l have si gni f i cant communi t ywi de 5 benef i t s f or War d 5 and t he Di st r i ct . 6 As has been known t o Counci l member 7 McDuf f i e. hi s par ent s and gr andpar ent s, t he McMi l l an 8 Sand Fi l t r at i on Si t e has al ways been an i ndust r i al 9 si t e. I t was cr eat ed t o pr ovi de and t o cl ean t he 10 ci t y' s wat er suppl y. I t has been f enced of f and 11 i naccessi bl e t o t he publ i c f or decades. Thus, 12 Counci l member McDuf f i e, hi s f ami l y, nei ghbor s and t he 13 r est of t he Di st r i ct have not been abl e t o enj oy t he 14 use of t he McMi l l an si t e f or at l east t he l ast 60 15 year s. 16 The si t e was not cr eat ed f or human 17 occupancy and use and i s onl y known as a par k i n 18 name, due t o i t s r enami ng f r omt he Washi ngt on Ci t y 19 Reser voi r t o McMi l l an Par k Reser voi r as a t r i but e t o 20 Senat or J ames McMi l l an i n 1911. 21 Today, t he Di st r i ct has t he oppor t uni t y t o 22 adapt i vel y r euse t hi s l ong vacant pr oper t y, but wi t h McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 52 1 an appr opr i at e, i n f act si gni f i cant pr eser vat i on of 2 t he si t e' s hi st or i c cont ext . 3 The pr oposal pr esent s a uni que oppor t uni t y 4 f or War d 5 and t he Di st r i ct as a whol e t o r edevel op 5 a l ar ge par cel wi t h no di spl acement . Mor eover , t he 6 pr oj ect wi l l i ncl ude t he f ol l owi ng cr i t i cal communi t y 7 benef i t s: 8 A f i r st cl ass communi t y cent er ; 9 Mi xed i ncome housi ng, i ncl udi ng af f or dabl e 10 seni or housi ng, whi ch i s ext r emel y i mpor t ant t o War d 11 5, gi ven t hat i t i s home t o one of t he l ar gest 12 popul at i ons of seni or r esi dent s i n t he ci t y; 13 The ci t y' s l ar gest new par k at 14 appr oxi mat el y 6. 2 cont i guous acr es, i n addi t i on t o 15 t wo smal l er pocket par ks; 16 Pr eser vat i on of hi st or i cal aspect s of t he 17 si t e, i ncl udi ng t he r ehabi l i t at i on and r est or at i on of 18 al l of t he sand st or age bi ns and r egul at or houses, 19 one compl et e under gr ound cel l and a por t i on of 20 anot her cel l and a wal ki ng museum, whi ch wi l l 21 pr eser ve t he hi st or y of t he McMi l l an si t e and f or t he 22 f i r st t i me, al l ow our chi l dr en t o i nt er act i vel y l ear n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. 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(888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 53 1 about and shar e i n t hat hi st or y; 2 Wor kf or ce devel opment and empl oyment 3 oppor t uni t i es; and 4 A new t ax base der i ved f r ompr evi ousl y 5 nont axed l and. 6 The pr oj ect has r ecei ved suppor t f r om 7 Advi sor y Nei ghbor hood Commi ssi oner s and has been 8 appr oved by t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d 9 and now t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 10 Addi t i onal l y, i t i s Counci l member 11 McDuf f i e' s under st andi ng t hat on Sept ember 15t h, t he 12 Nat i onal Capi t al Pl anni ng Commi ssi on i ndi cat ed t hat 13 t hey have no obj ect i on t o t he pr oj ect . 14 I t shoul d al so be not ed t hat gi ven t he 15 cur r ent condi t i on of t he si t e and i t s onl y pr i or use, 16 i t i s Counci l member McDuf f i e' s opi ni on t hat any new 17 use of t he pr oper t y, shor t of denyi ng publ i c access 18 and r et ai ni ng t he chai n l i nk f ence whi ch bor der s t he 19 pr oper t y wi l l r equi r e par t i al demol i t i on of t he 20 st r uct ur e. 21 I n concl usi on, Counci l member McDuf f i e hopes 22 t hat t he Mayor ' s Agent wi l l appr ove t hi s appl i cat i on. 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(888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 54 1 As st at ed pr evi ousl y, t he pr oj ect wi l l pr ovi de War d 5 2 and t he Di st r i ct wi t h si gni f i cant benef i t s f or i t s 3 r esi dent s, wi l l al l ow a decades ol d, shut t er ed 4 pr oper t y t o be opened t o t he communi t y, wi l l pr ovi de 5 sor el y needed mi xed i ncome housi ng and af f or dabl e 6 seni or housi ng and addi t i onal commi t t ee ameni t i es. 7 Counci l member McDuf f i e woul d al so l i ke t o 8 not e t he oppor t uni t y f or t he expansi on of heal t h car e 9 ser vi ces t hr ough t he addi t i onal medi cal of f i ce par k 10 bui l di ngs and t he oppor t uni t y t o secur e a l ar ge 11 gr ocer t o ser ve t he communi t y. 12 Counci l member McDuf f i e expect s t hat t he 13 Counci l wi l l soon be r evi ewi ng and appr ovi ng t he 14 sur pl us and di sposi t i on r esol ut i ons f or t he si t e as 15 t he McMi l l an pr oj ect i s becomi ng cl oser t o r eal i t y 16 each day. 17 I n shor t , we need t he j obs, we need t he 18 r et ai l , we need t he housi ng and we need t he par k 19 space f or our f ami l i es and chi l dr en. Counci l member 20 McDuf f i e i s pr oud, as t he War d 5 counci l member , t o be 21 a par t of what wi l l be one of t he most t r ansf or mat i ve 22 and communi t y f r i endl y pr oj ect s i n t he Di st r i ct . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 55 1 Thank you f or al l owi ng me t o t est i f y on 2 behal f of Counci l member McDuf f i e t oday. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. Quest i ons? 4 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 5 BY MS. FERSTER: 6 Q Yes, I have a couple of questions, going 7 particularly to your testimony about Councilmember 8 McDuffie's strong support for the affordable housing 9 element of this project. 10 So you are Deputy Chief of Staff for the 11 councilmember, so you're familiar with legislation 12 that the councilmember proposes. 13 A Some, t hat ' s cor r ect . 14 Q Are you aware that Councilmember McDuffie 15 has proposed legislation called the Disposition of 16 District Land for Affordable Housing Amendment Act of 17 2013? 18 MS. BROWN: Rel evance? 19 MS. FERSTER: Fi r st , I t hi nk i t ' s r el evant 20 i n t hat t he bi l l t hat Counci l member McDuf f i e has 21 i nt r oduced woul d r equi r e Di st r i ct of Col umbi a l and 22 devel opment pr oj ect s t o pr ovi de a much hi gher l evel McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 56 1 of af f or dabl e housi ng t han t hi s par t i cul ar pr oj ect 2 does. 3 MS. BROWN: And I woul d obj ect because he 4 has not t est i f i ed t o - - 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, I don' t t hi nk t hat ' s 6 r el evant t o an ar gument t hat you mi ght make, t hat he 7 doesn' t need t o t est i f y about a bi l l t hat ' s act ual l y 8 been i nt r oduced I don' t t hi nk. 9 MS. FERSTER: Okay, t hen I do not have any 10 mor e quest i ons. Thank you. 11 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any quest i ons, 12 t hank you. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , t hank you ver y 14 much. 15 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 16 MS. BROWN: Thank you. I ' d l i ke t o now go 17 i nt o t he Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s pr esent at i on and I 18 woul d l i ke t o make an openi ng st at ement . 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 20 MS. BROWN: I ' d al so l i ke t o ask i f , I 21 t hi nk i t mi ght go smoot her , but i f we coul d hol d our 22 cr oss exami nat i on quest i ons t o t he end i f you want i t McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 57 1 on a wi t ness- by- wi t ness basi s. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: How many wi t nesses ar e you - - 3 MS. BROWN: We have ei ght wi t nesses. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Ei ght wi t nesses. 5 MS. FERSTER: I f I coul d wei gh i n her e, we 6 woul d st r ongl y pr ef er t hat we do i ndi vi dual cr oss 7 exami nat i on, you know, because t her e ar e j ust so many 8 wi t nesses, i t ' s goi ng t o be i mpossi bl e f or us t o keep 9 t r ack of t hat . 10 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, I can under st and t hat , 11 but on t he ot her hand, I t hi nk t he ot her aspect of i t 12 i s I t hi nk t hat i t woul d be good t o be aski ng t he 13 wi t nesses who act ual l y know somet hi ng about t he 14 t hi ngs you want t o l ook i nt o. 15 So maybe as we go t hr ough, you can hel p us, 16 t el l i ng us, you know, i nsof ar - - you know, whi ch 17 wi t nesses have knowl edge about whi ch of t he i ssues 18 t hat Opponent s ar e i nt er est ed i n, so we can t r y t o do 19 t hi s as ef f i ci ent l y as possi bl e. 20 MS. BROWN: Okay, gr eat , t hen I ' l l pr oceed 21 t o my openi ng st at ement . 22 Openi ng St at ement on Behal f of Appl i cant s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 58 1 MS. BROWN: Agai n, f or t he r ecor d, I ' m 2 Car ol yn Br own, wi t h t he l aw f i r mof Hol l and and 3 Kni ght , on behal f of Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s. And 4 we' r e so t hr i l l ed t o be her e t oday because i n al l t he 5 wor k t hat I have done on hi st or i c pr eser vat i on cases 6 and Mayor ' s Agent cases, t hi s i s one of t r ul y 7 except i onal speci al mer i t . I t i s al most I woul d say 8 of epi c pr opor t i ons, compar ed t o any ot her Mayor ' s 9 Agent case bef or e t he Mayor ' s Agent i n t hi s hi st or y. 10 We have t hr ee new wor l d cl ass heal t h car e 11 f aci l i t i es, t wo mi xed use, mul t i f ami l y r esi dent i al 12 bui l di ngs wi t h appr oxi mat el y 500 uni t s, 80, 000 squar e 13 f eet of much needed nei ghbor hood f ocused r et ai l , 14 anchor ed by a f ul l ser vi ce gr ocer y st or e, 15 appr oxi mat el y 146 i ndi vi dual r owhouses, a 17, 500 16 squar e f oot communi t y cent er wi t h a swi mmi ng pool , 17 appr oxi mat el y t en acr es of open space - - act ual l y, 12 18 acr es of open space. 19 We have pr eser vat i on of al most al l above 20 gr ade hi st or i c st r uct ur es and t wo under gr ound cel l s, 21 ext ensi ve ar t wor k t hr oughout t he si t e i n 22 coor di nat i on wi t h Cul t ur al D. C. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 59 1 We have wor kf or ce devel opment pr ogr ams, 2 schol ar shi ps, nei ghbor hood beaut i f i cat i on and suppor t 3 f or publ i c school STEM pr ogr ams, j ob cr eat i on t hat 4 you hear d t he Deput y Mayor ' s Of f i ce r epr esent at i ve 5 t est i f y about . 6 We have af f or dabl e housi ng t hat she 7 t est i f i ed about , wel l beyond t he ei ght per cent t hat 8 i s r equi r ed under zoni ng. Her e, i t ' s al most 20 9 per cent , wi t h deeper l evel s of af f or dabi l i t y, 10 par t i cul ar l y t hose wi t h t ownhouses. 11 These ar e except i onal benef i t s and f eat ur es 12 of t he pr oj ect and t hey wi l l accr ue t he communi t y- at - 13 l ar ge, not a subset of pr i vi l eged per sons, not l uxur y 14 condomi ni ums; i t ' s f or t he gr eat er good of t hi s ci t y. 15 Al l t hese benef i t s ar e f ul l y suppor t ed by 16 t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an and t he ci t y' s goal s f or a 17 wor l d cl ass medi cal di st r i ct at Mi chi gan and I r vi ng 18 St r eet s, i n conj unct i on wi t h t he Washi ngt on Hospi t al 19 Cent er , Chi l dr en' s and t he VA Hospi t al s. 20 The demol i t i on and subdi vi si on ar e 21 necessar y t o al l ow a pr oj ect of speci al mer i t . As 22 you wi l l hear f r omour exper t st r uct ur al engi neer , McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 60 1 t he under gr ound cel l s ar e not st r uct ur al l y sound and 2 cannot suppor t any si gni f i cant above gr ade 3 devel opment . 4 We expl or ed al t er nat i ves t o demol i t i on and 5 you wi l l hear f r omour exper t s any pl an f or r euse of 6 t he under gr ound cel l s or r edevel opment of t he si t e 7 r equi r es such ext ensi ve st r uct ur al i nt er vent i on t hat 8 t he i nt egr i t y of t he under gr ound cel l s wi l l be 9 compr omi sed, no mat t er how t hey' r e used. And you' l l 10 hear t hat f r omour exper t s i n st r uct ur al engi neer i ng 11 and hi st or i c pr eser vat i on. 12 The pr oj ect bef or e you t oday i s al so t he 13 r esul t of ext ensi ve negot i at i on, compr omi se and 14 r est udy of numer ous al t er nat i ves, i ncl udi ng 15 r el ocat i on of t he par k f r omt he cent r al l ocat i on t o 16 i t s cur r ent l ocat i on t o t he sout h. 17 Each component has been car ef ul l y st udi ed, 18 chal l enged, r ef or mul at ed i n l i ght of t he si t e' s 19 hi st or i cal si gni f i cance, i t s physi cal const r ai nt s t o 20 make i t t r ul y speci al and mer i t or i ous. 21 I al so want t o emphasi ze what t hi s case i s 22 not about . I t ' s not about compl i ance wi t h Sect i on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 61 1 106 of t he Nat i onal Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Act , i t ' s 2 not about compl i ance wi t h hi st or i c pr eser vat i on deed 3 r est r i ct i ons or t he 1990 Compr ehensi ve Pl an or any 4 ot her document t hat ' s out dat ed. 5 I ' d l i ke t o t al k a l i t t l e bi t about our 6 ent i t l ement pr ocess. You hear d t he Deput y Mayor ' s 7 r epr esent at i ve quot e ext ensi vel y f r omt he Hi st or i c 8 Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d suppor t f or t hi s pr oj ect . 9 We al so have had Zoni ng Commi ssi on appr oval f or t he 10 PUD, who r evi ewed ext ensi vel y t he compl i ance wi t h t he 11 Compr ehensi ve Pl an. 12 The Of f i ce of Pl anni ng, we have t hei r 13 suppor t sayi ng t hat t hi s pr oj ect f ul l y compl i es wi t h 14 t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an. We' ve had our t est i mony f r om 15 t he r epr esent at i ve f r omCounci l member McDuf f i e' s 16 of f i ce. We' ve r esol ved usage i ssues wi t h NCPC st af f 17 f or t he PUD pr ocess. And t he Land Di sposi t i on 18 Agr eement pr ocess has been compl et ed and i t ' s on i t s 19 way t o t he Counci l now. 20 So t hi s t r ul y has been an ext r aor di nar y 21 pr oj ect vet t ed by al l sor t s of gover nment agenci es, 22 and we have an except i onal amount of speci al mer i t t o McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 62 1 t hi s pr oj ect and t he demol i t i on i s necessar y i n or der 2 t o const r uct t hat pr oj ect of speci al mer i t . 3 So now I ' d l i ke t o pr oceed t o our f i r st 4 wi t ness, Anne Cor bet t , t he pr oj ect di r ect or f r om 5 Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s. 6 J UDGE BYRNE: You had sai d sever al t i mes 7 t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on appr oved t he PUD on 8 t hi s week or al l egedl y - - 9 MS. BROWN: I t was l ast Monday, t hey 10 pr oposed act i on. I t wi l l be r ef er r ed t o t he Nat i onal 11 Capi t al Pl anni ng Commi ssi on f or comment on t he 12 i mpact s t o t he f eder al el ement s of t he Compr ehensi ve 13 Pl an, t he Ci t y l ooks at t he Di st r i ct el ement s of t he 14 Compr ehensi ve Pl an, and t hen i t wi l l r et ur n t o t he 15 Zoni ng Commi ssi on f or f i nal act i on and a wr i t t en 16 or der t her eaf t er . 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. Al l r i ght , good 18 mor ni ng. 19 THE WI TNESS: Good mor ni ng. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Pl ease st at e your name f or 21 t he r ecor d. We' l l t ake a f i ve- mi nut e r ecess. 22 ( Wher eupon, a br i ef r ecess i s t aken. ) McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 63 1 J UDGE BYRNE: We' r e goi ng t o begi n agai n, 2 pl ease. 3 THE WI TNESS: For t he r ecor d, my name i s 4 Anne Cor bet t and I ' mpr oj ect di r ect or f or Vi si on 5 McMi l l an Par t ner s. 6 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. 7 Wher eupon, 8 ANNE CORBETT 9 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 10 f ol l ows: 11 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 12 THE WI TNESS: So agai n, good mor ni ng, and 13 l i ke I sai d, my name i s Anne Cor bet t . I l ead t hi s 14 publ i c- pr i vat e par t ner shi p t hat i nvol ves sever al 15 pr i vat e devel oper s, i ncl udi ng EYA, our t ownhouse 16 devel oper . You' l l hear mor e about t hei r - - f r om 17 Aakash Thakkar , J ai r Lynch Devel opment Par t ner s, t he 18 mul t i f ami l y and gr ocer y- r et ai l devel oper , and Tr ammel 19 Cr ow Company, our heal t h car e f aci l i t y devel oper , 20 al so our r et ai l commer ci al component . 21 And agai n, our f our t h par t ner i s t he 22 Di st r i ct of Col umbi a, t he owner of t he pr oper t y, who McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 64 1 i n 2007 sel ect ed t hi s t eamaf t er a compet i t i ve 2 pr ocess and gave us an unpr ecedent ed oppor t uni t y t o 3 par t ner wi t h t hem. 4 I t ' s our r esponsi bi l i t y t o bal ance hi st or i c 5 pr eser vat i on wi t h economi c devel opment . We have been 6 ent r ust ed wi t h a t r ul y uni que si t e t hat r equi r es t he 7 most speci al car e, never mi nd t hat i t ' s been dor mant 8 f or so l ong as i t awai t s r ebi r t h. So i t commanded a 9 ver y speci al dynami c vi si on, honor i ng i t s l egacy out 10 f r ont , whi l e r emaki ng i t i nt o a t r ul y r emar kabl e new 11 pl ace i n our ci t y. 12 That bal ance agai n: hi st or i c l egacy, woul d 13 hel p sust ai nabi l i t y, j ob oppor t uni t i es, and a dynami c 14 new pl ace t o l i ve, wor k, shop, pl ay. 15 Agai n, even dor mant and negl ect ed, i t s 16 beaut y cal l s out t o you, so i t s new l i f e must be 17 si mi l ar l y amazi ng and i nspi r i ng. 18 Thi s vi si on t r ansl at es i nt o ver y t hought f ul 19 goal s. We di d not compr omi se. I n f act , we l ever aged 20 t he publ i c- pr i vat e par t ner shi p t o ensur e t he br eadt h 21 and dept h of t hese obj ect i ves, agai n, ver y meani ngf ul 22 pr eser vat i on, l ar ge, i nvi t i ng open spaces, dynami c McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 65 1 nei ghbor hood- ser vi ng r et ai l , wher e t her e had been a 2 dear t h, economi c di ver si f i cat i on and j ob cr eat i on, as 3 wel l as an expansi on of heal t h car e t o i mpr ove t he 4 l evel of car e t o our ci t y' s r esi dent s. 5 Agai n, back t o my obj ect i ves. Ther e i s a 6 mi x of housi ng t ypes and a mi x of af f or dabi l i t y 7 l evel s, t he hi ghest qual i t y mast er pl anni ng, 8 ar chi t ect ur e and par k desi gn. We cer t ai nl y ut i l i zed 9 t he D. C. Compr ehensi ve Pl an as a gui de i n or der t o 10 r econnect t he ur ban f abr i c t o sur r oundi ng 11 nei ghbor hoods and ensur e meani ngf ul communi t y 12 engagement . 13 Speaki ng of communi t y engagement , a ver y 14 col l abor at i ve communi t y pr ocess f ol l owed t he 15 sel ect i on of VMP as t he si t e devel oper . Ther e have 16 been over 200 event s si nce 2007. They' ve been i n a 17 var i et y of f or mat s: char r et t es, wher e r esi dent s wer e 18 i nvol ved i n shapi ng t hose vi si on pr i nci pl es and 19 gui del i nes t hat gover n t he si t e; open houses, wher e 20 peopl e can come and go as t hey pl ease; as wel l as 21 your mor e t ypi cal di r ect pr esent at i on and communi t y 22 f or ums. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 66 1 We' ve been i nvol ved wi t h not one, but t hr ee 2 ANCs, 5E, 5A and 1B, at l east ei ght ci vi c 3 associ at i ons and t he McMi l l an Advi sor y Gr oup. And 4 hence, t he pl an you' l l see t oday i s a di r ect r esul t 5 of t hat communi t y engagement pr ocess. 6 Key communi t y r equest s t hat we' ve hear d 7 t i me and t i me agai n and t hat our pl an r esponds t o 8 i ncl ude i mpr ovi ng t r anspor t at i on, managi ng 9 st or mwat er , a gr ocer y st or e, housi ng seni or 10 r esi dent s, cr eat i ng cont i guous, l ar ge, open spaces, 11 pr eser vi ng hi st or i c r esour ces and di st i ngui shi ng t he 12 l andmar k. 13 That l eads you t o an over al l benef i t of a 14 dynami c $34 mi l l i on i nvest ment i n t he Par k and 15 Pr eser vat i on Pr ogr amby t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a. 16 And t hat wi l l cr eat e 12 acr es of open space, near l y 17 50 per cent of t he si t e, and agai n, expandi ng heal t h 18 car e opt i ons f or Di st r i ct r esi dent s as we cr eat e a 19 pr emi er medi cal di st r i ct . 20 We' r e goi ng t o make a ver y st r ong case f or 21 speci al mer i t t oday and i t t ook t wo sl i des t o cover 22 al l - - and I don' t even t hi nk I ' ve cover ed McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 67 1 ever yt hi ng. 2 I t st ar t s wi t h economi c oppor t uni t y; agai n, 3 expanded heal t h car e ser vi ce, l evel of car e, access 4 t o car e, conveni ence. An empl oyment engi ne i s a par t 5 of t hat , per manent j obs acr oss t he spect r umof 6 educat i on l evel s i n t he heal t h car e i ndust r y. Par t - 7 t i me j obs on si t e f or t eens and seni or s and 8 unpr ecedent ed CBE par t i ci pat i on. 9 Second, housi ng. 85 af f or dabl e seni or 10 uni t s, 50 and 60 per cent of AMI , 22 af f or dabl e, f or 11 sal e r owhouses, and t hen addi t i onal r ent al uni t s, 12 af f or dabl e t o moder at e i ncome and wor kf or ce 13 househol ds. 14 Thi r d i s t he r et ai l component . Ful l 15 ser vi ce gr ocer y st or e, space and f unds on si t e t o 16 suppor t l ocal st ar t - up busi nesses and a commi t ment t o 17 a mi x of l ocal and nat i onal t enant s. 18 Four t h, t r anspor t at i on benef i t s. Ri ght 19 now, t he si t e i s an i sl and. We wi l l i mpr ove t he 20 st r eet net wor k by cr eat i ng per meabi l i t y acr oss t he 21 si t e f or bot h car s, bi kes, pedest r i ans. We wi l l 22 expand t he publ i c t r ansi t capaci t y, we wi l l expand McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 68 1 t he bi ke net wor k and f aci l i t i es f or cycl i st s, bot h 2 l ei sur e and commut er cycl i st s. 3 Sust ai nabl e desi gn i s number f i ve. We have 4 l ow i mpact desi gn t echni ques empl oyed t hr oughout t he 5 si t e vi a r et ent i on, r ai n gar dens, per meabl e paver s, 6 r et ai ni ng st or mwat er , r eusi ng st or mwat er on si t e, an 7 ent i r el y new st or mwat er i nf r ast r uct ur e. Ther e i s no 8 st or mwat er i nf r ast r uct ur e on t hi s si t e as i t 9 pr esent l y st ands. 10 Par ks and pr eser vat i on, l ast , but not 11 l east . An unpar al l el ed pr eser vat i on pr ogr am, t he 12 l ar gest new par k syst emi n t he Di st r i ct . I t s 17, 000 13 squar e f oot , hi gh qual i t y communi t y cent er wi t h a 25 14 met er pool , mul t i pl e out door r ecr eat i on ar eas f or 15 ki ds of al l ages, an out door amphi t heat er , and what 16 I ' ve dubbed t he wal ki ng museum, whi ch i s an 17 i nt er pr et i ve pr ogr amt o l et vi si t or s access t he 18 hi st or y of t he si t e, f r ee and avai l abl e ever y day of 19 t he year . 20 Toget her , we' r e wor ki ng t o cr eat e a new 21 McMi l l an, a pl ace t hat wi l l l i ve up t o t hat hi st or i c 22 l egacy and ser ve a br oad segment of t he War d 5, War d McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 69 1 1 and ci t y, as a whol e. Thank you ver y much. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you. Do you have 3 addi t i onal quest i ons? 4 MS. BROWN: I don' t have addi t i onal 5 quest i ons. 6 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, so bef or e we go t o 7 cr oss exami nat i on of Ms. Cor bet t , t hen, maybe you can 8 j ust gi ve us a l i t t l e bi t of an expl anat i on about who 9 el se i s goi ng t o speak and what t hei r ar eas t hey' r e 10 goi ng t o f ocus on so t hat we can di r ect t he cr oss 11 exami nat i on i n a way t hat makes sense. 12 MS. BROWN: Sur e. We wi l l have next Emi l y 13 Ei g, our exper t i n hi st or i c pr eser vat i on and 14 ar chi t ect ur al hi st or y. We' l l have Ki r k Met t am, our 15 exper t st r uct ur al engi neer f r omRober t Si l man 16 Engi neer s; Mat t Bel l f r omPer ki ns East man, t he exper t 17 on ar chi t ect ur e; Br uce Leonar d f r om- - sor r y - - 18 t hat ' s r i ght , Br uce Leonar d f r omSt r eet sense, who' s 19 our exper t i n r et ai l desi gn; AdamWeer s f r omt he 20 Tr ammel Cr ow Company; J ai r Lynch f r omt he J ai r Lynch 21 Devel opment Company; Li ndsl ey Wi l l i ams, an exper t i n 22 pl anni ng and zoni ng; and t hen Aakash Thakkar f r om McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 70 1 EYA. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, ver y good. So r eal l y, 3 what we' r e t al ki ng about - - so Ms. Cor bet t - - I t hi nk 4 t he cr oss exami nat i on quest i ons woul d be appr opr i at e 5 about t he over al l scope of t he pr oj ect and about sor t 6 of - - and t hen we' l l j ust sor t of t ake i t f r omt her e. 7 I may want t o r eser ve some of your cr oss exami nat i on 8 t o wi t nesses t hat ar e bet t er abl e t o answer i t , but 9 I ' l l t r y t o st r i ke a good bal ance so you have a 10 chance t o ask your quest i ons. 11 Al l r i ght , Ms. Fer st er , go ahead. 12 MS. FERSTER: Thank you, j ust a coupl e of 13 quest i ons. 14 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 15 BY MS. FERSTER: 16 Q You indicated that VMP was selected through 17 a competitive process in your testimony. Can you 18 elaborate on that? 19 A I woul d qual i f y i t by sayi ng t hat I was not 20 on t he t eamdur i ng t he compet i t i ve pr ocess. But i t ' s 21 my under st andi ng t hat t her e was a compet i t i ve pr ocess 22 conduct ed by t he Nat i onal Capi t al Revi t al i zat i on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 71 1 Cor por at i on wher e t her e wer e f i ve appl i cant s t o t he 2 pr ocess and Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s was t he sel ect ed 3 t eami n 2007. 4 Q And do you know anything about the content 5 or proposals in these alternative proposals? 6 A I do not . 7 Q You indicated in your testimony that this 8 project had unprecedented CBE participation. 9 A Mm- hmm. 10 Q Which of your partners are CBEs? 11 A J ai r Lynch Devel opment Par t ner s i s a f ami l y 12 of compani es t hat i ncl udes CBE ent i t i es. 13 Q So it's your understanding that Jair Lynch 14 Partners is itself not CBE, is that correct? 15 A When I r ef er t o J ai r Lynch Devel opment 16 Par t ner s, I amr ef er r i ng t o t hei r br and name. 17 Q So -- 18 A Not a l egal ent i t y. I ' mr ef er r i ng t o t he 19 f ami l y of compani es t hat J ai r Lynch i s t he CEO over . 20 Q And you believe that you're partnering with 21 the family of companies, each of Jair Lynch's 22 subsidiaries, then? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 72 1 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk she' s answer ed t he 2 quest i on as best she can. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Appar ent l y, J ai r Lynch i s 4 goi ng t o t est i f y, t oo, so you can ask mor e about 5 t hat . I s t hat t he ext ent of t he CBEs, t hen, wi t hi n 6 t he J ai r Lynch Par t ner s? 7 THE WI TNESS: Cor r ect . 8 MS. FERSTER: But I t hi nk t hi s i s t he 9 wi t ness who woul d know who t he CBEs you' r e par t ner i ng 10 wi t h ar e. 11 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 12 Q Correct, you are the appropriate witness 13 who is testifying with the overall partnership 14 because you were the project manager? 15 A Yes, and so i n r eal est at e devel opment , you 16 cr eat e a speci al pur pose ent i t y t o devel op a 17 par t i cul ar pr oper t y. That i s not uncommon. 18 So J ai r Lynch Devel opment Par t ner s i s a 19 l ocal l y owned mi nor i t y company t hat has a var i et y of 20 speci al pur pose ent i t i es, dependi ng on t he pr oj ect 21 t hat t hey' r e i nvol ved i n. And so t hey have an 22 advi sor y company t hat i s par t of t hat f ami l y t hat i s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 73 1 a CBE, t hey don' t have a speci al pur pose ent i t y 2 speci f i cal l y t o t hi s si t e and t o t hi s pr oj ect t hat 3 wi l l be a CBE. I t hi nk you' r e par si ng somet hi ng, 4 l ooki ng f or somet hi ng, I don' t know. 5 Q Okay, so you're saying that they will be 6 creating -- because you used the word "will" -- they 7 will be creating a special company that will be a CBE 8 that you will partner with. Was that your testimony? 9 I just want to know whether you are currently 10 partnering with an entity that is a CBE. 11 A We ar e cur r ent l y par t ner i ng wi t h an ent i t y 12 t hat i s a CBE. 13 Q And can you provide the name of that 14 entity? 15 A I can. I don' t have t he det ai l i n f r ont of 16 me and I woul d l ook t o you - - I woul d suggest t hat i f 17 you want t hat det ai l t oday, t hat you ask t hat 18 quest i on of J ai r Lynch. Ot her wi se, I ' mhappy t o 19 f ol l ow up wi t h t he speci f i cs. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Thi s i s a speci al pur pose 21 ent i t y f or t hi s pr oj ect t hat you' r e descr i bi ng, 22 r i ght ? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 74 1 THE WI TNESS: I t ' s f unny, I can see t he 2 l egal document i n my head because we wer e j ust 3 wor ki ng on i t t he ot her day and, you know, i t ' s t he 4 det ai l of I don' t want t o get i t wr ong. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s f i ne. 6 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , I woul d j ust ask t hat 7 Ms. Cor bet t ' s t est i mony i s t hat t hi s pr oj ect does 8 have unpr ecedent ed CBE par t i ci pat i on - - 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 10 MS. FERSTER: - - and t hat she pr ovi de t he 11 names of t he devel opment ent i t i es or compani es t hat 12 i n f act ar e CBEs. 13 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk t hi s i s up t o t he 14 Appl i cant s t o deci de how much t hey want t o submi t t o 15 suppor t t he r ecor d and we wi l l consul t among 16 our sel ves t o deci de t hat . 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hat ' s f i ne. 18 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 19 Q Okay, you testified about the 20 transportation benefits of this project, the 21 infrastructure that would be created, and the bicycle 22 facilities as part of the special merits, yes? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 75 1 A ( Nods i n t he af f i r mat i ve. ) 2 Q So are you familiar with the Transportation 3 Impact Study that Gorove/Slade prepared that was 4 submitted to the Zoning Commission? 5 MS. BROWN: Rel evance? 6 J UDGE BYRNE: The r el evance, I assume, has 7 t o do wi t h t he qual i t y of t he t r anspor t at i on 8 i nf r ast r uct ur e t hat ' s bei ng pr ovi ded. 9 MS. BROWN: But what I want t o make sur e 10 t hat we don' t end up doi ng her e i s r ehear i ng t he 11 whol e Zoni ng Commi ssi on case. 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Me, t oo; me, t oo. 13 MS. FERSTER: I have no i nt ent i on - - 14 MS. BROWN: We want t o be car ef ul . 15 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 16 Q And as I'll explain in my follow-up 17 question, it will certainly ask that, assuming you 18 are familiar with your expert's transportation impact 19 study, whether or not you believe that the bicycle 20 facilities will reduce the transportation impact to 21 an acceptable level of service for this project and 22 whether you believe that the transportation McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 76 1 infrastructure that you are providing will address 2 the failing level of service that your own study 3 indicated would result? 4 J UDGE BYRNE: So t hi s i s ver y di f f i cul t 5 because we haven' t had, r eal l y, t est i mony about t he 6 ext ent of t he t r anspor t at i on i nf r ast r uct ur e t hat i s 7 goi ng t o be pr ovi ded, so we don' t have t hat t o st ar t 8 wi t h. 9 MS. FERSTER: I s t her e anot her wi t ness who 10 wi l l be t est i f yi ng i n mor e det ai l about t he 11 t r anspor t at i on i nf r ast r uct ur e el ement t o t he speci al 12 mer i t pr oj ect ? I f t hat ' s so, I woul d be happy t o 13 hol d my quest i ons. 14 THE WI TNESS: Yes. 15 MS. BROWN: Yes, appar ent l y, we' l l have 16 somebody t est i f yi ng t o t hat . 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , because I know 18 t hat t her e' s Bi ke Shar e st uf f and what not , but i t was 19 a ver y gener al t est i mony about t he nat ur e of t he 20 t r anspor t at i on. 21 MS. BROWN: Ri ght , and I t hi nk t hat t hose 22 st and on t hei r own, wi t hout havi ng t o get i nt o t hi s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 77 1 whol e t r anspor t at i on i nf r ast r uct ur e r epor t , 2 t r anspor t at i on i mpact r epor t . And agai n, t ur ni ng 3 t hi s i nt o a Zoni ng Commi ssi on hear i ng, whi ch i s what 4 I ' maf r ai d of - - 5 J UDGE BYRNE: No, t hat ' s not goi ng t o 6 happen. 7 MS. FERSTER: I f I coul d j ust cl ar i f y, t he 8 poi nt I woul d l i ke t o make i s t hat i f you' r e 9 pr esent i ng any t r anspor t at i on f aci l i t i es t hat you' r e 10 pr ovi di ng as a component of your speci al mer i t , I 11 t hi nk I shoul d be ent i t l ed t o pr esent quest i ons about 12 t he f act t hat t hese benef i t s wi l l not even come cl ose 13 t o mi t i gat i ng t he sever e t r anspor t at i on - - t r af f i c 14 i mpact of t hi s pr oj ect . 15 MS. BROWN: I don' t know t hat she t est i f i ed 16 t o mi t i gat i on measur es. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk t hat ' s r i ght . I mean 18 I t hi nk i f you want t o put on t est i mony, i f you want 19 t o put on evi dence about t he pauci t y of t he 20 t r anspor t at i on benef i t s, you' r e f r ee t o do t hat . So 21 I t hi nk we' l l l eave t hat t her e, t hen. 22 MS. FERSTER: Okay, so t hat ' s al l t hat I McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 78 1 have. 2 MS. MERRI TT: I have a coupl e of quest i ons. 3 BY MS. MERRI TT: 4 Q One is you said, or your slide said that 5 the development is anticipated to create 3,200 6 permanent jobs. And I specifically heard the first 7 witness from the City say that it would create 2,300 8 permanent jobs and that's a 50 percent difference. 9 So I'm just wondering if you could reconcile that. 10 A I don' t bel i eve t hat ' s what she sai d. 11 J UDGE BYRNE: She' s shaki ng her head no. 12 MS. MERRI TT: Okay, I must have mi shear d. 13 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 14 Q I have one more question and it's a follow- 15 up about the question that was earlier asked 16 regarding the selection of VMP after a competitive 17 process and you mentioned that there were five 18 bidders, five proposers I guess, in response to the 19 solicitation that was released. And I'm just 20 wondering if you know who the others were. 21 A I don' t have t hat i nf or mat i on at my 22 f i nger t i ps. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 79 1 Q What was your role at the time or is this 2 just what you heard? 3 A I al r eady st at ed t hat I was not wi t h t he 4 pr oj ect at t hat t i me. 5 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any addi t i onal 6 quest i ons. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: I have a quest i on or t wo. 8 THE WI TNESS: Sur e. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: So I ' d l i ke t o hear mor e 10 about t he benef i t s t o communi t y heal t h f r omt he 11 medi cal f aci l i t i es. I under st and, you know, t hat 12 havi ng - - ar e we t al ki ng about doct or s' of f i ces, 13 basi cal l y, her e or what i s envi si oned her e f or t hat ? 14 THE WI TNESS: So t o st ar t by sayi ng Adam 15 Weer s of Tr ammel Cr ow Company i s goi ng t o t est i f y - - 16 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay. 17 THE WI TNESS: - - l at er t o t he det ai l s. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay. Yeah, but what do you 19 see as t he benef i t s, j ust gr eat er capaci t y wi t hi n t he 20 medi cal i nf r ast r uct ur e of t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a or 21 i s t her e somet hi ng mor e speci f i c? 22 THE WI TNESS: Cor r ect , so we' r e addi ng a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 80 1 mi l l i on squar e f eet - - 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 3 THE WI TNESS: - - t o t he medi cal 4 i nf r ast r uct ur e. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 6 THE WI TNESS: And t hat magni t ude of new 7 gr owt h i n t he medi cal i ndust r y wi l l undoubt edl y - - I 8 mean i t adds t o t he suppl y. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, but t hat ' s j ust what 10 you mean i s addi ng t o t he suppl y of medi cal 11 i nf r ast r uct ur e. Okay, good, t hat ' s al l I want ed t o 12 ask. Thank you ver y much. 13 MS. BROWN: Next , I woul d l i ke t o cal l 14 Emi l y Ei g f r omt he EHT Tr acer i es, t he exper t i n 15 ar chi t ect ur al hi st or y and hi st or i c pr eser vat i on. 16 She' s been pr evi ousl y qual i f i ed bef or e t he Mayor ' s 17 Agent . 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, many t i mes. 19 MS. BROWN: And we have her r esum i n case 20 you need i t f or t he r ecor d. 21 J UDGE BYRNE: Sur e. I guess we' l l cal l 22 t hat Exhi bi t 1. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 81 1 ( Exhi bi t i s mar ked f or 2 i dent i f i cat i on. ) 3 J UDGE BYRNE: So, Ms. Ei g, wel come. Can we 4 j ust qual i f y her as an exper t , wi t hout goi ng t hr ough 5 any of t hi s? 6 MS. FERSTER: I have no obj ect i on. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you. Ms. Ei g, 8 you' r e qual i f i ed. Pl ease j ust st at e your name f or 9 t he r ecor d. 10 THE WI TNESS: My name i s Emi l y Hot al i ng Ei g 11 and I wi sh you a good mor ni ng. 12 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 13 THE WI TNESS: I wi l l go t hr ough t he ef f or t s 14 t hat we have made, st ar t i ng act ual l y bef or e 2007, and 15 pr ovi de some i nsi ght i nt o t he appr oach t hat ' s been 16 t aken. 17 The sand pl ant t oday i s t he 25- acr e si t e 18 t hat i s abandoned, i t ' s i n di sr epai r , i t no l onger 19 can be used f or i t s or i gi nal pur pose, nor i s i t abl e, 20 but i t i s def i ni t el y a r omant i c l andscape t hat 21 cont r ast s wi t h t he st r i ct engi neer i ng geomet r y. The 22 evocat i ve r ui n i s a speci al pl ace and i t i s par t of a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 82 1 much l ar ge hi st or i c l andmar k. 2 The McMi l l an Reser voi r Par k l andmar k, whi ch 3 was desi gnat ed i n 1991 by t he D. C. Hi st or i c 4 Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d, i ncl udes 92 acr es. And as 5 you can see, t hi s i s t he boundar y of t he l andmar k as 6 desi gnat ed i n 1991 and subsequent l y was put on t he 7 nat i onal r egi st er i n 2013. The si t e t hat we' r e 8 t al ki ng about i s t hi s 25- acr e r ect angul ar si t e her e, 9 as opposed t o wher e t he r eser voi r and t he si t e t hat ' s 10 owned, st i l l , by t he f eder al gover nment t o t he west , 11 wher eas, t hi s si t e i s owned by t he Di st r i ct of 12 Col umbi a. 13 We pr epar ed a pr eser vat i on r epor t st ar t i ng 14 back i n 2005. We l ooked at t he i nf or mat i on t hat was 15 avai l abl e, whi ch a gr eat deal of wor k had been done 16 by Anne Sel l i n and Tony Nor man and ot her s t hat was i n 17 pr epar at i on f or t he hi st or i c l andmar k nomi nat i on. 18 I shoul d st at e t hat our r epor t , whi ch I 19 bel i eve was al r eady admi t t ed i nt o t he r ecor d, was 20 pr epar ed wi t h t he assumpt i on t hat t her e woul d be some 21 l evel of devel opment . What t hat l evel of devel opment 22 woul d be was not somet hi ng t hat we addr essed. I t was McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 83 1 done bef or e t her e was any pl an, i t was begun bef or e 2 t her e was any pl an. 3 And t he cont ent basi cal l y has cer t ai n 4 si gni f i cance of t he si t e as a whol e, t he l andmar k 5 si t e, because i t was not separ at ed out i n t he 6 l andmar k desi gnat i on. But t hen t he si t e descr i pt i on 7 i n t he r esour ce i nvent or y, whi ch was based, i n par t , 8 on wor k t hat had been done as an af t er mat h t o t he 9 1987 sal e t o t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a, wor k whi ch was 10 done when Gr eenhor ne and O' Mar a i nvent or i ed t he si t e. 11 Ther e was an assessment of hi st or i c 12 i nt egr i t y based on t he f i l t r at i on pl ant i t sel f , 13 l andscape and vi sual r esour ces. We devi sed a met hod 14 f or r el at i ve l evel of si gni f i cance of i ndi vi dual 15 r esour ce t ypes t hat was based on t he l andmar k 16 appl i cat i on and desi gnat i on by HPRB. 17 And we devi sed pr eser vat i on 18 r ecommendat i ons, bot h gener al and r esour ce speci f i c 19 and we made suggest i ons f or mi t i gat i on, knowi ng t hat 20 i t was hi ghl y l i kel y t hat not al l t he r esour ces woul d 21 r emai n i n pl ace, once t hi s devel opment pl an was 22 appr oved and i ni t i at ed. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 84 1 As I sai d, t he Nat i onal Regi st er l i st i ng 2 was compl et ed i n 2013. I t had been r ecommended by 3 t he Revi ew Boar d i n 1991, but t he act ual pr ocess of 4 pl aci ng i t on t he Regi st er di d not happen unt i l 2013. 5 And what ' s i nt er est i ng about t hi s i s t hat 6 t he or i gi nal 1991 desi gnat i on i s as a l andmar k. The 7 Nat i onal Regi st er cal l ed f or t hi s t o be a hi st or i c 8 di st r i ct and you' l l not e i t says " Pr ef er r ed" ; t hat 9 t he Pr eser vat i on of f i cer pr ef er s t hat i t be deal t 10 wi t h as a hi st or i c di st r i ct . And t hat has t o do wi t h 11 our l ocal l aws and not wher e t he Nat i onal Regi st er i s 12 concer ned. But i t woul d, by t oday' s st andar ds, be 13 consi der ed a hi st or i c di st r i ct . 14 J ust a ver y br i ef out l i ne of t he McMi l l an 15 Reser voi r Par k as a whol e. They began const r uct i on 16 i n 1903. I t act ual l y st ar t ed, 1898 was t he begi nni ng 17 of t he i nt ent i on and t he oper at i ons began i n 1905. 18 But i t wasn' t unt i l 1906, ' 07 t hat 19 Fr eder i ck Ol mst ed, J r . , was asked t o pr epar e a 20 l andscape desi gn. Thi s had been al r eady l ai d out , i t 21 was i n oper at i on. So Ol mst ed, J r . , act ual l y appl i ed 22 l i ke an over l ay of l andscape and we' l l t al k about McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 85 1 t hat a l i t t l e whi l e l at er . And i t oper at ed - - i t was 2 compl et ed i n 1919, t her e f or many year s. 3 Then i n 1941, i n pr epar at i on, or 4 expect at i on, I shoul d say, of t he Wor l d War I I , t he 5 ent i r e si t e was f enced of f , i t was al l f eder al 6 pr oper t y and t her e was t hi s f ence on bot h si des of 7 Fi r st St r eet . 8 I t cont i nued as t he wat er oper at i ons unt i l 9 1986, when t he f eder al gover nment bui l t a r api d 10 f i l t er syst emt hat i s on t he west si de of Fi r st 11 St r eet . 12 I n 1987, t he f eder al gover nment di sposed of 13 t he pr oper t y t hat we ar e t al ki ng about t oday, t he 14 sand f i l t r at i on pl ant t hat i s t o t he east of Fi r st 15 St r eet , f or appr oxi mat el y $9. 5 mi l l i on, wi t h t he 16 ant i ci pat i on i t woul d be f or devel opment . 17 I n 1988, t he si t e was abandoned and i n 18 1991, was l i st ed i n t he D. C. i nvent or y, t hen i n 2013 19 on t he Nat i onal Regi st er . 20 I t ' s i mpor t ant t o under st and t hat t he sand 21 f i l t r at i on pl ant i s - - we' r e onl y goi ng t o be t al ki ng 22 about t hi s ar ea her e. I t ' s act ual l y not ent i r el y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 86 1 shown i n t hi s space, t her e' s a por t i on bel ow her e, 2 but sand f i l t r at i on cel l s go acr oss Fi r st St r eet and 3 t hey' r e on t he f eder al gover nment pr oper t y t oday. 4 They ar e no l onger oper at i ng because t hey' r e usi ng 5 t he r api d f i l t er syst em, whi ch i s down her e, but t hey 6 ar e on bot h si des of Fi r st St r eet . 7 The sand f i l t r at i on pl ant pr obabl y i s t he 8 most i mpor t ant aspect as we see, i t ' s a speci al 9 or gani zat i on i n t opogr aphy. I t ' s t hi s r ect angul ar 10 shape. The si t e act ual l y was al r eady subdi vi ded wi t h 11 st r eet s t hat we' r e goi ng t o cor r espond t o t he st r eet s 12 t hat we have on t he east . But t hi s t r i par t i t e 13 or gani zat i on i s based on t he oper at i ons of t he 14 f aci l i t y, not on any pr evi ous subdi vi si on. 15 The l and, act ual l y t he si t e, $209, 000. 00, 16 was pur chased f r omt he owner s at t hat t i me, t he 17 pr i vat e owner s. 18 The si t e al so r epr esent ed a ver y 19 undul at i ng, l et ' s cal l i t , t opogr aphy as i t moves 20 f r omt he nor t h t o t he sout h. Ther e i s a dr op of 21 appr oxi mat el y 20 f eet . And i n or der t o al l ow t he 22 f aci l i t y t o wor k pr oper l y, t her e was a maj or cut and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 87 1 f i l l ef f or t t hat made ever yt hi ng at gr ade. But as 2 you can see, at t hi s poi nt , we' r e one l evel f r omdown 3 her e t o 20 f eet . So t hi s i s a f l at pl i nt h t hat ' s at 4 t he same gr ade acr oss t he si t e. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Woul d you def i ne pl i nt h? 6 THE WI TNESS: A pl i nt h, l i ke a pl at eau, 7 t hi nk of a pl at eau, a f l at , r ect angul ar i n t hi s case, 8 shape. 9 Ot her r esour ces t hat ar e par t of t hi s 10 i ncl ude t he r egul at or houses, whi ch ar e t hese smal l 11 r ed br i ck houses t hat act ual l y have an openi ngs i n 12 t hei r f l oor s so t hat t he manual r egul at i on of wat er 13 woul d come t hr ough f r omt he under gr ound r eser voi r 14 t hat woul d connect t o t he above gr ound r eser voi r . 15 Ther e wer e t he sand bi ns, t hose ar e t he 16 cyl i ndr i cal concr et e st r uct ur es t hat you can see on 17 t he si t e, al so, t oday. Sand washer i s a ver y 18 i mpor t ant par t of t he pr ocess because t he i dea i s 19 t hat sand goes i n cl ean and comes out di r t y and has 20 t o be cl eaned agai n. So t he par t i cl es of t he 21 f i l t r at i on woul d be at t ached t o t he sand, t he wat er 22 can r un t hr ough cl ear l y. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 88 1 And t hen, of cour se, t hese cel l s t hat wer e 2 each f i l t er beds, t her e ar e 20 of t hemon t he si t e 3 we' r e t al ki ng about , and as you can see t he gr ade, 4 al l t hese t hi ngs t hat wer e goi ng on wi t h t hi s t o 5 devi se a f l at sur f ace. 6 Thi s i s an or i gi nal phot ogr aph pr i or t o, i n 7 t hi s case, pr i or t o t he l andscapi ng, you can see t he 8 wor ker s, wi t h an i ndust r i al si t e. Thi s i s t he por t al 9 t hat l ed down i nt o t he cel l s bel ow and t her e' s some 10 t r acks, act ual l y, t hat ar e no l onger ext ant wher e 11 t hey' ve moved t he l ar ge sand, por t i ons at di f f er ent 12 t i mes, and t hen t hese ar e - - t hi s i s a phot ogr aph of 13 t he under gr ound cel l s. 14 When Fr eder i ck Ol mst ed, J r . , came i nt o t he 15 pr oj ect , he st udi ed i t , as you mi ght i magi ne, and 16 t her e ar e ext r aor di nar y document at i ons of hi s ef f or t s 17 at t he Ol mst ed Ar chi ves i n Br ookl i ne, Massachuset t s. 18 And a l ot of t hi s i nf or mat i on was not act ual l y 19 avai l abl e i n 1991 when t hey di d t he nomi nat i on, 20 because t hey had not i ndexed i t and i nvent or i ed i t 21 yet , but we wer e abl e t o get hol d of i t now. 22 And he devi sed t hr ee ar eas, A, B and C. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 89 1 Now Ar ea A, whi ch we r ef er t o as The Pl ai ns, i s what 2 we ar e t al ki ng about t oday, t hi s sl ow sand f i l t r at i on 3 pl ant . Ar ea B i s t he r eser voi r , whi ch had pr eexi st ed 4 t he pl ant , i t was al r eady t her e, and addi t i onal 5 i nf i l t r at i on cel l s. And t hen Ar ea C, whi ch was 6 desi gned f or publ i c r ecr eat i onal use. 7 He, as I sai d, wr ot e ext ensi vel y on t hi s 8 and he expl ai ned t hat , you know, A i s t he ar ea, 9 i ncl udi ng t he r eser voi r , f i l t er bed sand washer s and 10 t hei r appur t enances. And t hen t he spaci ous and 11 i mpr essi ve open r eser voi r , encl osi ng banks and 12 hi l l si de, et cet er a. 13 And t he sout her l y par t l yi ng i n t he mai n 14 bel ow t he damn of t he r eser voi r , a separ at e 15 appendage, so t her e' s no pr act i cal f unct i on i n t he 16 oper at i on of t he wat er wor ks pr esent i ng a di st i nct 17 l andscape uni t . I t can be shaped i nt o an agr eeabl e 18 and consi st ent pi ece of i nf or mal par k l andscape, wi t h 19 pr ovi si on at t he west er l y end f or a chi l dr en' s 20 pl aygr ound. 21 And t he r eason t hat I br i ng t hi s out i s 22 because t her e' s been many conver sat i ons about t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 90 1 f act t hat t he si t e t hat has been r ef er r ed t o as The 2 Pl ai ns was t he publ i c par k. Ther e was publ i c access, 3 as a r ul e, ar ound t he edge of i t , but i t was not t o 4 be accessed her e. I f anyone was t her e, t hey wer e not 5 i nvi t ed. 6 C, however , was wher e t her e was act i vi t y, 7 i ncl udi ng t he pl acement of t he McMi l l an f ount ai n 8 because Senat or J ames McMi l l an, who i s t he Senat e 9 Di st r i ct Commi t t ee chai r man, he had been t he sor t of 10 mover and shaker , we woul d say, behi nd t he McMi l l an 11 pl an and ef f or t s wi t h t he par k syst emand al l t hese 12 ci t y beaut i f ul i mpr ovement s t hat t he ci t y was 13 exper i enci ng at t hat t i me. 14 So Ol mst ed di scussed i n l andscapi ng A, 15 t her e was a pr obl em, and I won' t r ead al l of t hi s, 16 but essent i al l y, t he pr obl emwi t h t hat i t s per haps 17 i nexpedi ent t o t he publ i c t o t he use of The Pl ai ns, 18 even upon a f enced pat h. 19 And t he i dea t hat he was t hi nki ng about 20 doi ng a f ence, t hi s act ual l y di scusses what ki nd of 21 t r ees he coul d do and what woul d bl ock i t . And he 22 was t r yi ng t o al l ow f or a vi si bi l i t y acr oss t he si t e, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 91 1 but somet hi ng t hat woul d keep peopl e f r omwal ki ng on 2 t he si t e. 3 And he came up wi t h a l andscape desi gn of 4 passi ve shr ubber y, t r ees, t hat woul d di scour age 5 access t o t he cent er of The Pl ai ns, but t hat woul d be 6 an at t r act i ve pat h f or peopl e t o wal k ar ound t hat 7 si t e. 8 And t hese ar e some of t he dr awi ngs f r om 9 t hat you can see. I t woul d access each cor ner of t he 10 si t e, i t had st eps t hat wer e bui l t and her e' s t he 11 pat h and her e' s some of hi s ear l y pl ans. Thi s i s 12 har d t o see, but essent i al l y, you can see t hat he 13 i ncl uded hi s l andscape ar ound her e. 14 He al so suggest ed t her e be some ki nd of 15 smal l t r ees or pl ant s al ong each of t he t wo ser vi ce 16 cour t s. Ther e had al r eady been some sor t of gr owt h 17 of an undesi r abl e i vy and he suggest ed a di f f er ent 18 pl ant t hat woul d be mor e cont r ol l abl e t hat coul d be 19 pl aced t her e. And t hi s i s ear l y, act ual l y bef or e t he 20 l andscapi ng, so I sor t of t hi nk t her e mi ght be 21 somet hi ng goi ng on her e, but i t ' s ver y ear l y on and 22 t her e' s a pedest r i an wal ki ng al ong t hi s pat h, but McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 92 1 t hey had not compl et ed t he l andscapi ng, by any means. 2 The McMi l l an Memor i al Fount ai n was i n t hi s 3 ar ea her e. Thi s i s our si t e and t hi s i s t he ar ea 4 t hat we j ust di scussed and t he f ount ai n has an 5 el abor at e pl an and t her e ar e some st eps t o i t . I t 6 was t he si t e of many act i vi t i es, i ncl udi ng bands, 7 mar chi ng bands and many, many t hi ngs t hat went on i n 8 t hi s par k. And go t o t he next sl i de, pl ease. 9 Al so, i t was known t hat i t was a 10 desegr egat ed par k and t hey wer e not - - i t may be t he 11 f i r st desegr egat ed par k. These ar e phot ogr aphs of 12 Li l l i an Evant i , who was an oper a si nger , her son, 13 Thur l ow Ti bbs, at t he par k, ci r ca 1930. I t ' s ver y 14 beaut i f ul and her e' s t he r eser voi r i n t he backgr ound, 15 you can see t he f ount ai n her e and t hey' r e wal ki ng 16 al ong her e, r eal l y beaut i f ul phot ogr aphs of t hat . 17 Unf or t unat el y, t he f ount ai n was di smant l ed 18 and r emoved. Par t of i t i s t her e, but par t s of i t 19 ar e i n ot her pl aces. And t he si t e of t he f ount ai n i n 20 act ual l y 1986 i s t he si t e of t he r api d f i l t r at i on 21 pl ant . The f eder al gover nment put i t on t hat si t e 22 t her e at t hat t i me. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 93 1 So once agai n, you know, t he l andmar k 2 t oday, we have t hi s pi ece and we have t hi s l ar ger 3 pi ece and t hi s ar ea i s no l onger open t o t he publ i c 4 because i t r emai ns f enced, as i t was si nce 1931. 5 The r esour ces, however - - t hen we' r e goi ng 6 t o f ocus on t hi s si t e f or t he r est of t he - - t he 7 r esour ces i ncl ude t he ser vi ce cour t s. We have t he 8 cyl i nder s, t he r egul at or houses, t he por t al s t hat 9 have access t o t he under gr ound cel l s. The f ount ai n 10 i s not t her e; i t was t her e, but i t i s not t her e. And 11 t he cel l s, r emai ni ng f i l t er beds, bot h of whi ch ar e 12 par t of a l ar ger one- acr e f i l t er bed, and t her e ar e 13 20 f i l t er beds. 14 I n our wor k, we i dent i f i ed si t es and 15 r esour ces. As I sai d, i n t he ear l i er 1990s, 16 Gr eenhor ne and O' Mar a had gone out and done an 17 i nvent or y, but we went back and we act ual l y t r i ed t o 18 see what we coul d f i nd, what was st i l l t her e, because 19 t he si t e had been abandoned t hat many mor e year s and 20 t her e had been l i t t l e f or mal access t o i t , t her e was 21 no act ual use of i t . So we had phot ogr aphs t hat we 22 compar ed wi t h phot ogr aphs cur r ent l y, usi ng al l t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 94 1 dr awi ngs and compar i ng t hem. 2 We i dent i f i ed si t e r esour ces, l andscape 3 r esour ces and bui l t r esour ces. Because t he si t e 4 i t sel f was so i mpor t ant and t he concept of t he 5 l andscape was not t her e, but i t was so i mpor t ant , i t 6 was Ol mst ed' s par t i ci pat i on and t he bui l t r esour ces 7 t hat st i l l r emai n on t he si t e. 8 I t hi nk t hat t hi s i s wher e I shoul d say 9 t hat I t hi nk t hi s i s one of t he most compl ex, i f not 10 t he most compl ex, r esour ces t hat we have st udi ed 11 because, one, of i t s i ndust r i al nat ur e, t he t ype of 12 r esour ces t hat ar e on i t , whi ch ar e st r uct ur es, 13 t hey' r e not bui l di ngs. The Nat i onal Par k Ser vi ce 14 ver y cl ear l y def i nes habi t abl e space ver sus 15 i nhabi t abl e space and t hese ar e not meant f or peopl e 16 t o l i ve i n or t o wor k al ong, you know, as an of f i ce 17 l i ke t hey ar e st r uct ur es. Next , pl ease. 18 Ther e ar e 22 r esour ce t ypes t hat we' ve 19 f ound and we have over 4, 000 r esour ces. We ar e 20 count i ng, t her e wer e 137 of t he r esour ces such as t he 21 above gr ade r esour ces, t hen t he cel l s, t he manhol e 22 cover s goi ng t o t he l ar ger number . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 95 1 I n l ooki ng at t hem, we t r i ed t o under st and 2 what we wer e l ooki ng at and we went back t o t he 1991 3 l andmar k desi gnat i on. We di dn' t t r y t o r ei nvent t he 4 wheel , by any means, because t hi s was t he desi gnat i on 5 l anguage. And essent i al l y, i t i s desi gnat ed f or 6 t hr ee mai n r easons, i t s associ at i on wi t h t he hi st or y 7 of t he wat er pur i f i cat i on syst emand t he t r i umph of 8 sl ow wat er f i l t r at i on syst emover advocat es of 9 chemi cal met hods. 10 Washi ngt on, D. C. was t he l ast ci t y t o bui l d 11 a sl ow sand f i l t r at i on pl ant . I t was consi der ed t o 12 be passe by t hat t i me, but Congr ess, i n hear i ng 13 t est i mony, deci ded t o pr oceed wi t h t he sl ow wat er 14 f i l t r at i on, and i t t ook unt i l t he 1980s f or t hat 15 act ual l y t o be r epl aced. 16 The associ at i on wi t h Senat or J ames 17 McMi l l an. McMi l l an was such a l eader t hr ough al l of 18 t hi s. He di d not have, you know, di r ect r el at i onshi p 19 wi t h t hi s par t i cul ar si t e. However , he di ed i n 1902 20 and i t was an unexpect ed deat h. 21 And i f you can i magi ne McMi l l an' s pl an, 22 whi ch had been publ i shed ear l i er i n t he year - - i t McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 96 1 wasn' t cal l ed t he McMi l l an Pl an at t hat t i me, i t was 2 cal l ed t he Pl an of 1902. But hi s associ at i on wi t h i t 3 was so gr eat t hat i t was deci ded t hat t her e shoul d be 4 a memor i al t o hi mand i t was associ at ed wi t h t hat 5 l ar ge f ount ai n t hat was pl aced on t hi s si t e. 6 Di st i nct i ve publ i c desi gn as a maj or 7 Amer i can engi neer i ng r esour ce. I t was desi gned by 8 t he Cor ps of Engi neer s. A man named Hayden was t he 9 desi gner , wor ki ng wi t h Ol mst ed, f ol l owi ng wi t h 10 Ol mst ed, and a publ i c wor ks f aci l i t y t hat was of a 11 qual i t y t hat we do not see t oday i n our publ i c wor ks. 12 To eval uat e t he r el at i ve si gni f i cance and 13 i nt egr i t y of t hese r esour ces, we det er mi ned, based on 14 t hei r si gni f i cance, whet her t hey wer e key suppor t i ng 15 or mi nor r esour ces. We det er mi ned t hei r i nt egr i t y, 16 based on t he Nat i onal Par k Ser vi ce' s Seven Aspect s of 17 I nt egr i t y. And we i dent i f i ed how many wer e ext ant . 18 Now t hi s i s act ual l y somet hi ng t hat was 19 done i n Febr uar y of 2012, t her e was one number t hat 20 was bei ng used by t he devel oper and t hat had changed 21 i n Sept ember of 2012 and i t ' s j ust a way t o show t hi s 22 qui ckl y, what was goi ng on. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 97 1 But we t ook t he r esour ce t ypes and we made 2 gener al r ecommendat i ons, r esour ce speci f i c t r eat ment 3 r ecommendat i ons and r esour ce speci f i c mi t i gat i on 4 r ecommendat i ons. As I sai d bef or e, we di d not know 5 what t he devel opment was goi ng t o l ook l i ke and we 6 di dn' t know what was goi ng t o st and, but we want ed t o 7 make i t cl ear what we t hought was i mpor t ant and t hat 8 i f t hi ngs, you know, how i mpor t ant , i f t hi ngs wer e 9 goi ng t o be r emoved, t hat t her e be mi t i gat i on. And 10 t hi s i s f ol l owi ng a pr et t y st andar d Sect i on 106 ki nd 11 of appr oach t o t hi s as a way, wi t hout act ual l y havi ng 12 a pl an i n pl ace. 13 And t hese ar e al so i n t he r epor t s t hat we 14 handed out and we gave pr ef er r ed t r eat ment appr oaches 15 f or each of t hese t hi ngs. And as you can see, t he 16 r egul at or houses wer e key and hi gh i nt egr i t y. The 17 pr ef er r ed t r eat ment appr oach was pr eser vat i on, but i f 18 t hey wer e not goi ng t o be pr eser ved, r ehabi l i t at i on 19 and mi t i gat i on woul d be appr opr i at e. 20 And onl y i n t he suppor t i ng t hi ngs was t her e 21 any j ust si mpl y mi t i gat i on, t her e was usual l y 22 r ehabi l i t at i on and mi t i gat i on. And i t had t o do wi t h McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 98 1 i nt egr i t y. Hi gh i nt egr i t y onl y had t he pr eser vat i on 2 or r ehabi l i t at i on/ mi t i gat i on; t he moder at e i nt egr i t y 3 had r ehabi l i t at i on and pr ef er r ed appr oach and 4 mi t i gat i on as an al t er nat e appr oach. 5 We t ook t hese r ecommendat i ons, and i f I can 6 t ake j ust a ver y l ong pr ocess and put i t i nt o a f ew 7 moment s, but t he pr ocess, t he r epor t di r ect s t hat 8 t her e be a r et ent i on of t he r ect angul ar f or m, t he 9 pl i nt h, or t he pl at eau, be r et ai ned, as t hi s i s 20 10 f eet hi gher her e t han i t i s her e. The ber ms t hat 11 sur r ound i t , t her e' s a gr assy ber mt hat i s ar ound t he 12 ent i r e si t e, obvi ousl y 20 f eet hi gh at t hi s end and 13 i t ' s act ual l y depr essed at t hat end. 14 The t r i par t i t e or gani zat i on, whi ch I wi l l 15 say t he ci t y, at f i r st , ver y much t hr oughout t he 16 pl anni ng want ed t o r ei nst at e t he st r eet pl an. But 17 t he l andmar k i mpor t ance, we f el t , di ct at ed t hat i t ' s 18 a t r i par t i t e or gani zat i on. 19 The r eci pr ocal r el at i onshi p bet ween t he 20 ser vi ce cour t s, a sense of open space and t hen t hat 21 pedest r i an wal k, whi ch we' r e now cal l i ng Ol mst ed 22 Wal k, t hat sur r ounded t he ent i r e si t e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 99 1 We r ecommended t he i ncor por at i on of vi sual 2 expr essi on, bot h i n f or m, mat er i al , col or s, and we 3 r ecommended a scope of pr eser vat i on wor k t hat 4 i ncl uded r est or i ng t he hi gh l evel r esour ces t o t hei r 5 or i gi nal appear ance, st abi l i zi ng and pr eser vi ng, 6 pl anni ng f or f ut ur e mai nt enance and r epai r of al l 7 pr eser ved r esour ces and f ol l owi ng t he Secr et ar y of 8 t he I nt er i or ' s st andar ds and gui del i nes f or 9 r ehabi l i t at i on wor k. 10 Thi s j ust gi ves you a l i t t l e, qui ck l ook at 11 t he r et ent i on and r est or at i on, r ehabi l i t at i on. And 12 r ehabi l i t at i on woul d i ncl ude i f we t ake t he r egul at or 13 house and t ur ned i t i nt o a l i t t l e cof f ee shop, 14 r ehabi l i t at i on woul d be appr opr i at e. But we 15 r ecommend t hat at l east one of t he r egul at or houses 16 woul d be act ual l y r est or ed t o i t s or i gi nal appear ance 17 so we coul d under st and how i t was used. And i n each 18 case, t her e wer e at l east one, i f not mor e, of t hese 19 r esour ces t ype t hat wer e t o be r et ai ned and r est or ed. 20 We r ecommended i ncor por at i on and 21 r econst r uct i on i n cer t ai n pl aces. We f el t t her e was 22 an oppor t uni t y f or some r eal l y cr eat i ve use of t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 100 1 obj ect s and i ncor por at i ng, such as t he vi ews bei ng 2 i ncor por at ed i nt o t he desi gn. 3 And we al so f ound t hat r econst r uct i on woul d 4 be desi r abl e. The cor ner st ai r s, onl y one exi st ed of 5 t he f our cor ner st ai r s, and t he per i met er pedest r i an 6 pat h, f or al l i nt ent s and pur poses, j ust seemed 7 over gr own, so t hat we want ed t hose i t ems t o be 8 r econst r uct ed. 9 So you wi l l see - - Mat t Bel l wi l l be 10 f ol l owi ng wi t h t he pr esent at i on of t he pr oj ect , but I 11 j ust woul d l i ke t o show you how, a qui ck l ook, t hat 12 t he pr oposal s t hat we made di d, i n f act , r et ai n t he 13 r ect angul ar f or m, t he pl i nt h, t he ber m, t he 14 t r i par t i t e or gani zat i on, t he r eci pr ocal r el at i onshi p, 15 a sense of open space and pedest r i an wal k. 16 We al so wer e t r yi ng t o f i nd a pl ace t hat 17 woul d have an ext ensi ve vi ew, because we knew t her e 18 woul d be devel opment , we knew t her e wasn' t goi ng t o 19 be t hi s ent i r e si t e open, l i ke i t had been. And we 20 saw t hat t he pr oposed pr oj ect - - act ual l y, r at her , 21 t he sout her n por t i on of t he si t e we per cei ved t o be 22 ver y cl ose t o what Ol mst ed' s l andscape scene cal l ed McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 101 1 f or . 2 I t has The Pl ai ns, i t has t he r ai sed 3 el evat i on associ at ed wi t h t he ber ms, i t has a 4 r el at i onshi p di r ect l y wi t h t he sout h ser vi ce cour t , 5 t he sur r oundi ng st r eet s, because i t you keeps t he 6 r ect angul ar edge and t he ber m, whi ch you cl ear l y know 7 when you' r e dr i vi ng up or even down Nor t h Capi t ol 8 St r eet , when you have r eached t hi s si t e. 9 I t has pr eser vat i on of a por t i on of t he 10 cel l . And t hese t wo cel l s ar e t he ones t hat have 11 been demol i shed by D. C. Wat er , t hese cel l s ar e 12 f ai l i ng and t hi s i s t he cel l t hat i s goi ng t o be 13 i ncor por at ed. 14 So al l wi t h t he i nt ent i on, t he most 15 i mpor t ant t hi ng bei ng r et ai ni ng a sense of pl ace, 16 t hat ever yone knew t hat t hey wer e at t he McMi l l an 17 Sand Fi l t r at i on Pl ant as par t of t hi s gr eat er 18 l andmar k. 19 And l ast , t hat t her e be an i nt er pr et i ve 20 pr ogr ami nt egr at ed i nt o t he desi gn, st r ong vi sual 21 r eadi ng of t he l andmar k' s uni que char act er , publ i c 22 access. Remember , t her e was onl y access t o t he edge McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 102 1 and t hat was st opped i n 1941. And t hi s woul d al l ow 2 peopl e t o wal k and exper i ence t hi s por t i on of t he 3 si t e wi t h t he new st r eet s and t he ser vi ce cour t s and 4 t he pedest r i an wal k ar ound t he ent i r e si t e. 5 The l andscape mat er i al s, t he i ncl usi on of 6 wat er , communi t y cent er , i nt er act i ve pl ay component s, 7 heal i ng gar dens, i nt er act i ve i nt er pr et i ve di spl ays 8 such as t he wal ki ng museum, al l of t hese t hi ngs 9 desi gned t o, i n f act , r el at e t o t he l andmar k' s 10 si gni f i cance, but al so, goi ng back t o her e, i s t hat 11 we want ed t o r et ai n and i nt egr at e cel l s i nt o t he 12 devel opment pr ogr amand r euse of above gr ound 13 r esour ces. 14 Wi t h al l of t hi s t oget her , I ' ve been asked 15 t o j ust sor t of put t hi s i n cont ext of a coupl e of 16 speci al mer i t pr oj ect s. And t her e ar e many, many 17 speci al mer i t pr oj ect s t hat have come t o t he Mayor ' s 18 Agent . But t hese ar e pr oj ect s t hat have si mi l ar or 19 not so si mi l ar , I wi l l say, because t hese ar e much 20 l ess compl ex pr oj ect s. 21 They al l ar e bui l di ngs. They al l i ncl ude 22 ei t her t he demol i t i on of t he bui l di ngs and t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 103 1 i ncor por at i on of a f acade and new const r uct i on ar ound 2 t hemor por t i ons of t he bui l di ng bei ng demol i shed. 3 They ar e var i ous st ages of t hat . But none of t hem 4 compar e t o t he compl exi t y of what we' r e l ooki ng at 5 t oday. 6 The cl osest we mi ght use i s t he O St r eet 7 Mar ket , wher e t her e i s a si ngl e bui l di ng, and i f you 8 r emember t he i ce st or mof however many year s ago i t 9 was, 2005 or somet hi ng, when t he r oof col l apsed, and 10 i n or der t o act ual l y br i ng t he bui l di ng, t he 11 col l apsed wal l s t hat wer e r emoved and t hen 12 r econst r uct ed. 13 And t hi s l ar ge si t e i s a par t of t he new 14 const r uct i on ar ound i t , so t hat i t hi ghl i ght s t he 15 r esour ce t hat was t echni cal l y demol i shed, but i n 16 f act , i t was bot h nat ur al and manmade causes f or t he 17 demol i t i on t o al l ow t hi s t o be r ehabi l i t at ed and 18 become an act i ve par t of t he nei ghbor hood agai n and 19 al l of t he new const r uct i on t hat went ar ound i t t o 20 hel p gi ve i t l i f e, what had been a ver y di smal si t e. 21 But as I sai d, t her e i s r eal l y not hi ng t hat 22 can compar e wi t h what we' r e l ooki ng at t oday and t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 104 1 i nt er est , obvi ousl y, i n t r yi ng t o pr eser ve somet hi ng 2 t hat i s meani ngf ul t o so many peopl e on so many 3 l evel s, whi ch has not been accessi bl e t o t he publ i c 4 at any t i me, except al ong t he edge. 5 And t hat wi l l al l ow f or an ext r aor di nar y 6 i nt er pr et i ve oppor t uni t y f or under st andi ng how t he 7 wat er pur i f i cat i on of our ci t y changed our ci t y and 8 kept our ci t y as i t moves i nt o t he 21st Cent ur y. 9 And as I sai d ear l i er , t he t wo cel l s t hat 10 wer e demol i shed, t her e' s al so anot her cel l , Cel l 14, 11 t hat ' s bei ng used as a st or mwat er r et ent i on si t e by 12 D. C. Wat er . Because t hey ar e, i n f act , i n pr ocess 13 wi t h a maj or new st ep, t he next cent ur y st ep, of 14 devel opment as t hey put i n new t unnel s ar ound t he 15 ci t y t o pr ovi de f or wat er t hat act ual l y can meet t he 16 new demands of our enl ar ged ci t y mor e t han a hundr ed 17 year s l at er f r omt he t i me t hat t hi s was const r uct ed. 18 So t hat concl udes my pr esent at i on. I ' m 19 happy, of cour se, t o answer any quest i ons. 20 MS. BROWN: I have a coupl e of quest i ons 21 t hat I want t o r edi r ect , but I al so want t o not e t hat 22 I ' d l i ke t o r ecal l her af t er t he st r uct ur al engi neer McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 105 1 t est i f i es t o gi ve her exper t opi ni on on t hat 2 t est i mony. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay. 4 BY MS. BROWN: 5 Q Ms. Eig, how many Mayor's Agent cases have 6 you worked on, would you say, ten, 20, 30, 50? 7 A 30, I t hi nk pr obabl y 30, bet ween 25 and 30. 8 Q And based on that slide, how does the 9 special merit of this project compare with those that 10 you have worked on? 11 MS. FERSTER: I woul d obj ect t o t hat . Ms. 12 Ei g' s t est i mony does not go t o speci al mer i t , i t goes 13 si mpl y t o t he hi st or i c si gni f i cance of t he si t e. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Pr oceed, I ' d l i ke t o hear 15 what you have t o say. 16 THE WI TNESS: I t hi nk t hat t hi s pr oj ect i s 17 pr esent i ng a ver y speci al i ncor por at i on of t he si t e 18 t hat al l ows t he si t e t o be accessi bl e t o t he publ i c 19 at a l evel t hat most speci al mer i t cases do not even 20 begi n t o r each, t hat t he speci al aspect of i t , t he 21 par k t hat al l ows bot h par k act i vi t i es, but al so wi l l 22 be i nt er pr et i ve of t he hi st or y of t he ci t y' s wat er McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 106 1 syst em, I t hi nk i s r eal l y qui t e a r emar kabl e appr oach 2 i n t he end. 3 I t i s ver y di f f i cul t because, as you know, 4 my t est i mony di d not di scuss condi t i on, but i n my 5 r epor t t her e i s cer t ai nl y acknowl edgement t hat t he 6 condi t i on of t he under gr ound cel l s has af f ect ed what 7 can happen at t hi s si t e. And t he oppor t uni t y her e t o 8 br i ng at t ent i on t o a publ i c wor ks f aci l i t y i n t hi s 9 way i s, I bel i eve, ver y speci al mer i t . 10 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 11 Q You have a slide up about the O Street 12 Market. Do you recall if there was affordable 13 housing required on that site? 14 A Yes, I bel i eve - - 15 MS. FERSTER: I obj ect agai n t o Ms. Ei g 16 comment i ng on - - 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Thi s i s di r ect t est i mony, 18 r i ght ? I mean she can ask pr et t y much what she 19 want s. 20 MS. FERSTER: Rel evance t o her t est i mony, 21 not wi t hi n t he scope of - - 22 MS. BROWN: I t ' s st i l l her di r ect McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 107 1 t est i mony. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: I t ' s st i l l her di r ect 3 t est i mony. 4 MS. FERSTER: Under st ood. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: She can ask anyt hi ng she 6 want s. 7 THE WI TNESS: I bel i eve i t ' s 20 per cent of 8 af f or dabl e housi ng. 9 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 10 Q And was that a City project? 11 A Yes, a publ i c- pr i vat e par t ner shi p. 12 Q And the 20 percent affordable is considered 13 part of the special merit of that project. 14 A Yes. 15 Q And are you familiar with the Randall 16 School Project? 17 A Yes, I am. 18 Q And is that also a public-private 19 partnership with the City involved in that? 20 A I t hi nk i t ' s a pr i vat e devel opment . 21 Q Do you know if there were restrictions on 22 the site for affordable housing? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 108 1 A I know t hat 20 per cent af f or dabl e housi ng 2 was i ncl uded i n t hat pr oj ect . 3 Q And is that considered special merit? 4 A Yes. 5 Q Thank you. 6 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk t hat ' s al l I have f or 7 now. 8 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , Ms. Fer st er , your 9 wi t ness? 10 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 11 BY MS. FERSTER: 12 Q Just a couple of questions about the 13 Randall School property that you're familiar with and 14 the O Street Market. 15 When you talked about the affordable 16 housing on the site, how much of that affordable 17 housing, what was the area's median income that that 18 affordable housing -- 19 A I do not know t he answer t o t hat . 20 Q Okay, for any of these projects that you've 21 handled in -- 22 A Of f t he t op of my head, of f t he t op of my McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 109 1 head, no. I ' ve par t i ci pat ed i n t he pr oj ect s and I 2 pr obabl y knew t he answer t o t hat at one t i me, but not 3 at t hi s moment , I coul dn' t say. 4 Q So it's correct that the McMillan Sand 5 Filtration Site is listed in the D.C. inventory of 6 historic sites as a historic landmark, correct? 7 A No, t hat ' s not cor r ect . Act ual l y, i t ' s 8 l i st ed as par t of a si ngl e l andmar k of t he 92- acr e 9 si t e, i t i s a por t i on of i t . 10 Q A portion, okay, but it is a part of a 11 historic landmark. 12 A That ' s cor r ect . 13 Q Okay, and it is independently eligible for 14 listing, independently listed in the National 15 Register as a historic district. 16 A The ent er 92- acr e si t e, yes. 17 Q Now you testified that one of the benefits 18 of this project is the public accessibility that it 19 will provide. But you also testified, and isn't it 20 correct, you also testified that The Plains site, 21 which is where the sand filtration site is, is not 22 significant for its public accessibility? In fact, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 110 1 you testified that -- 2 A That i s cor r ect , i t s accessi bi l i t y, I t hi nk 3 i t ' s pr ef er r ed because i t i s a si t e no l onger used 4 and t her ef or e, becomes somet hi ng t hat can be 5 i nt er pr et ed. And i t ' s t he i nt er pr et i ve val ue and 6 educat i onal val ue of bei ng abl e t o under st and how t he 7 wat er - - 8 Q Okay, so that was part of your view about 9 the special merit of the project, as opposed to the 10 significance of the site. 11 A Yes. 12 Q And isn't it correct that a key feature of 13 the significance of that site is its open space? 14 A That i s cor r ect . 15 Q And it's correct, also, that it's your 16 opinion that the site maintains a high degree of 17 historic integrity, is that correct? I'm quoting, 18 actually, from your report. 19 A Yes, but we woul dn' t be her e i n f r ont of 20 t he Mayor ' s Agent i f we wer e r et ai ni ng t he si t e as i t 21 i s. The poi nt of t hi s i s i t ' s a speci al mer i t case, 22 so t her e' s an acknowl edgement on ever yone' s par t her e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 111 1 t hat t he l andmar k as i t i s t oday i s bei ng pr oposed t o 2 be al t er ed t o pr ovi de a di f f er ent pur pose. 3 Q And then your report also indicates and 4 your testimony also indicates that you believe the 5 character and history of this site is unique and 6 would be difficult to convey to future visitors 7 because of the level of development proposed. 8 A I t hi nk you' ve got t hat out of cont ext . 9 The sect i on t hat you' r e r eadi ng has t o do wi t h 10 mi t i gat i on and so t hat dependi ng on t he l evel of t hat 11 - - r emember , t hi s r epor t was wr i t t en wi t hout any 12 devel opment pl an i n pl ace. 13 So i t was a quest i on of wher e on t he scal e, 14 on a scal e of , say, one t o t en, how di f f i cul t i t 15 woul d be, t he mor e mi t i gat i on woul d be necessar y. I t 16 wasn' t eval uat i ng what t hi s pr oposal was goi ng t o be, 17 by any means, because t her e was no pr oposal t o 18 eval uat e. Do you under st and? 19 Q Yes. And in terms of your recommendations 20 for rehabilitation of the above ground structures in 21 your report, have your recommendations been 22 implemented in the project, is there any specific McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 112 1 rehabilitation and mitigation plan for those 2 recommendations? 3 A Ther e i sn' t an i nt ent i on t o do t hat . We 4 act ual l y spent a gr eat deal of t i me wor ki ng out a 5 pr ogr amt hat woul d pr ovi de f or r ehabi l i t at i on and 6 r est or at i on, as appr opr i at e, of t he di f f er ent 7 r esour ces. As I t est i f i ed, i n some cases, t her e i s 8 an i nt ent i on t hat a r esour ce wi l l be r est or ed t o i t s 9 or i gi nal appear ance so we coul d under st and t he 10 f unct i on. I n ot her cases, i t woul d be adapt i vel y 11 r eused and r ehabi l i t at ed. 12 Al l of t he r egul at or houses, t he sand bi ns 13 ar e bei ng r et ai ned, most of t he por t al wal l s, sand 14 washer s ar e bei ng r et ai ned, so t he above gr ound 15 f aci l i t i es. And t he ser vi ce cour t i s bei ng r et ai ned 16 and a l ot of t he manhol e cover s ar e bei ng r et ai ned, 17 t hi ngs l i ke t hat ar e bei ng r et ai ned. 18 Q And in terms of the future maintenance of 19 the property, is there a plan in place that will 20 provide for adequate future maintenance for the site 21 and for how long? 22 A We r ecommended i n t he r epor t t hat t her e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 113 1 act ual l y be l i ke a BI D, a B- I - D, a gr oup of peopl e 2 who r epr esent ed t he owner s and r epr esent ed t he 3 occupant s and r esi dent s and nei ghbor s, t o det er mi ne a 4 pr ogr amt o make sur e t hat t hi s woul d happen. But 5 i t ' s somewhat pr emat ur e f or t hat t o happen because 6 we' r e st i l l wai t i ng t o get an appr oval f or a pr oj ect , 7 but t hat was i n our r epor t , we r ecommended t hat , and 8 t hat was made ver y cl ear t o t he owner s. 9 Q But none of these plans are currently in 10 place, then, for the future maintenance or the 11 rehabilitation. 12 A I don' t t hi nk t hat ' s t r ue, I t hi nk t hey ar e 13 consi der ed as par t of i t , but I t hi nk t hat i t ' s not 14 somet hi ng t hat - - i t ' s not at t hat st age yet t o do 15 t hat . 16 Q And what stage is it appropriate for the 17 Applicants, in your opinion, to provide for a binding 18 commitment to preserve these historic structures and 19 maintain them for a period of time? 20 A Wel l , I woul d t hi nk t hat once you have a 21 concept appr oval , t hat woul d be, you know, appr oval 22 f r omt he Mayor ' s Agent . Obvi ousl y, t hi s has al so McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 114 1 gone t o t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on and I bel i eve t her e ar e 2 many r equi r ement s t hat t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on has 3 al r eady set f or war d as bi ndi ng t owar d t he publ i c- 4 pr i vat e par t ner shi p t o wor k out . 5 Q And is a rehabilitation and maintenance 6 plan one of those requirements? 7 A I don' t know t he answer t o t hat quest i on. 8 MS. FERSTER: Okay, t hank you. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Ms. Mer r i t t ? 10 MS. MERRI TT: I j ust have a coupl e of 11 quest i ons. 12 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 13 Q When you were describing your own 14 recommendations about preservation and rehabilitation 15 and mitigation, could you elaborate on what you 16 intended at the time, what you were thinking in 17 reference to mitigation? What sort of mitigation 18 measures did you have in mind? 19 A I t hi nk t he r epor t i ncl udes some of t he 20 mi t i gat i on. I t was our ant i ci pat i on t hat t he 21 Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d or st af f , Pr eser vat i on 22 st af f and t he Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d - - I McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 115 1 shoul dn' t say t hat . 2 The st af f woul d i ndi cat e what ki nds of 3 t hi ngs t hey woul d l i ke as mi t i gat i on. We cannot say 4 what mi t i gat i on woul d be, i t woul d have t o be 5 somet hi ng t hat woul d come f r oman appr oval body. And 6 t hat mi t i gat i on devel oped over t i me i s par t of t he 7 Zoni ng Commi ssi on case and i t ' s par t of t hi s case of 8 speci al mer i t . And t o have speci al mer i t i ncl udes 9 ameni t i es t hat ar e t o be bal anced, whi ch i s what 10 mi t i gat i on i s, i t ' s a bal anci ng of t he l oss agai nst 11 t he gai ns. 12 Q In your recommendations about what to 13 retain, one of the features that you mentioned was 14 the reciprocal relationship between the service 15 courts. Can you elaborate on that? 16 A The l andmar k as i t st ands t oday has t hese 17 t wo ser vi ce cour t s and t he r el at i onshi p bet ween t hem, 18 t he sense of t he t r i par t i t e, and t hat was what I 19 t hought shoul d be r et ai ned. 20 Q Did you mean a visual relationship? 21 A Yes, a vi sual r el at i onshi p. 22 Q And do you think that the current plan McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 116 1 achieves that recommendation? 2 A The cur r ent pl an has nor t h- sout h st r eet s 3 t hat wi l l al l ow a vi sual connect i on bet ween t he t wo 4 ser vi ce cour t s. 5 Q At the point of the streets, is that what 6 you mean? 7 A Ri ght , as wel l as t her e ar e ot her poi nt s 8 t hat you' d be abl e t o see t hat . I t ' s a wi de ar ea. 9 I f you' r e wal ki ng ar ound t he Ol mst ed Wal k, t hat 10 cr eat es t hi s uni t y t hat al l ows you t o see t he 11 r el at i onshi p. I t ' s not t he same as i t woul d be i f no 12 devel opment t ook pl ace, but i t i s a good compr omi se, 13 t o al l ow t he l andmar k t o be r et ai ned as i t s sense of 14 pl ace, as bei ng kept . 15 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any f ur t her 16 quest i ons. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: I have j ust a f ew. So what 18 was t he or i gi nal f unct i on of t he r egul at or houses? 19 THE WI TNESS: The r egul at or houses wer e 20 wher e men, i t was men, act ual l y manual l y t ur ned 21 val ves t o cont r ol t he wat er , how f ast or sl ow i t was 22 goi ng t o come f r omt he under gr ound r eser voi r i nt o t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 117 1 sand. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght . 3 THE WI TNESS: And t hen out agai n. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: And t hen t her e wer e a number 5 of t hembecause t her e wer e di f f er ent pat hways f or t he 6 wat er t o pass down t hr ough. 7 THE WI TNESS: Mm- hmm. Now each of t he 8 cel l s i n t he f i l t er beds ar e - - I won' t say t hey' r e 9 st and al one, because t hey can' t st and al one, but 10 t hey' r e cl osed f r omeach ot her . I t ' s not l i ke a 11 whol e, bi g ocean, i t ' s l i ke l ot s of sect i ons. 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, mm- hmm. I s t her e an 13 ext ant sand f i l t r at i on syst emst r uct ur e el sewher e 14 t hat you' r e awar e of ? 15 THE WI TNESS: Wel l , acr oss t he st r eet . 16 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, okay, r i ght , t hat ' s 17 t r ue. 18 THE WI TNESS: I can' t say I ' mpr epar ed t o 19 answer t hat quest i on, per se, but t hey ar e - - 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Has anybody pr eser ved t hem, 21 i nt act as a - - 22 THE WI TNESS: I don' t know t he answer t o McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 118 1 t hat quest i on, I don' t , no. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you vi ew t her e bei ng a 3 si gni f i cance or a di st i nct i on bet ween t hi s bei ng a 4 l andmar k or a par t of a l andmar k or a par t of a 5 hi st or i c di st r i ct ? 6 THE WI TNESS: That ' s a ver y good quest i on, 7 because as a l andmar k, cer t ai n t hi ngs f r omD. C. l aw 8 had t o be f ol l owed - - 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Ri ght . 10 THE WI TNESS: - - whi ch woul d have been 11 sl i ght l y di f f er ent i f i t was a hi st or i c di st r i ct . 12 The f act t hat i t was pr oposed by t he hi st or i c 13 pr eser vat i on of f i cer t o t he Regi st er as a di st r i ct i s 14 i n keepi ng wi t h what t he Nat i onal Par k Ser vi ce, t he 15 Nat i onal Regi st er woul d i dent i f y as a hi st or i c 16 di st r i ct . They woul d not i dent i f y t hi s as a 17 l andmar k, per se, by t hei r st andar ds t oday. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Ri ght , because of t he 19 di f f er ent el ement s, t he pr eser vat i on el ement s t hat 20 ar e t her e. 21 THE WI TNESS: Ri ght . 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Ar e you awar e of any speci al McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 119 1 mer i t case t hat i nvol ved t he demol i t i on of 2 st r uct ur es, as opposed t o bui l di ngs? 3 THE WI TNESS: St r uct ur es? I have t o t hi nk 4 about t hat . Yeah, I mean I ' d have t o t hi nk about 5 t hat . 6 J UDGE BYRNE: Br i dges or - - 7 THE WI TNESS: Yeah, I - - 8 J UDGE BYRNE: You don' t know of any. 9 THE WI TNESS: No, but i f I can get back t o 10 you on t hat . You know, I ' mnot , of f t he t op of my 11 head, awar e of any, I ' mgoi ng t o say t hat . 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , t hank you, t hose 13 ar e my quest i ons. 14 MS. BROWN: I have no r edi r ect . 15 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , ver y good. Thank 16 you, Ms. Ei g. 17 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 18 MS. BROWN: The next wi t ness - - I ' mj ust 19 l ooki ng at t he t i me and I don' t know what your 20 schedul e i s or how you want t o pr oceed. 21 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, we' l l cer t ai nl y do at 22 l east one mor e wi t ness bef or e we br eak f or l unch, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 120 1 okay? 2 MS. BROWN: Our next wi t ness i s Mr . Ki r k 3 Met t amof Rober t Si l man Engi neer s and I ' d l i ke hi m 4 qual i f i ed as an exper t i n st r uct ur al engi neer i ng. I 5 shoul d have hi s r esum her e. He' s been qual i f i ed 6 bef or e t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 7 ( Exhi bi t 2 i s mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on. ) 8 J UDGE BYRNE: Any obj ect i on t o qual i f yi ng 9 t hi s wi t ness? 10 MS. FERSTER: No obj ect i on. 11 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, good. Mr . Met t am, I ' l l 12 qual i f y you as an exper t i n st r uct ur al engi neer i ng. 13 So pl ease st at e your name f or t he r ecor d. 14 THE WI TNESS: Sur e. My name i s Ki r k 15 Met t am, I ' ma pr i nci pal wi t h Rober t Si l man 16 Associ at es, st r uct ur al engi neer s. 17 MS. BROWN: Go ahead and pr oceed wi t h your 18 di r ect t est i mony. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 20 Wher eupon, 21 KI RK METTAM 22 havi ng been pr evi ousl y swor n, t est i f i ed as f ol l ow: McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 121 1 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 2 THE WI TNESS: I ' ve i ncl uded a coupl e of 3 sl i des, j ust gi vi ng some backgr ound about t he f i r m. 4 We' r e st r uct ur al engi neer s t hat l ove hi st or i c 5 bui l di ngs and al l t he chal l enges associ at ed wi t h 6 t hem, f or bet t er or f or wor se. So we' ve wor ked on a 7 number of not abl e hi st or i c bui l di ngs, but al so, some 8 adapt i ve r euses of var i ous t ypes of st r uct ur es, bot h 9 bui l di ngs and nonbui l di ngs. 10 And one of t he r ecent pr oj ect s we wer e 11 i nvol ved i n i s t he desi gn of t he al l new par k down at 12 t he wat er f r ont , but al so adapt i ng t he use of t wo of 13 t he i ndust r i al st r uct ur es t her e as new bui l di ng 14 st r uct ur es. 15 So what I ' d l i ke t o do t oday, we wer e 16 r et ai ned by Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s sever al year s 17 back t o l ook at al l t he st r uct ur es of t he si t e, and 18 so we' ve i nvest i gat ed t he above gr ade, as wel l as t he 19 bel ow gr ade st r uct ur es. But r eal l y, I want t o f ocus 20 t oday on t he under gr ound st r uct ur es because t hat 21 seems t o be t he ar ea t hat i s l east under st ood. 22 I ' ve got a l ot t o cover , so f or gi ve me i f I McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 122 1 t al k a l i t t l e f ast . I know t hi s i s ver y exci t i ng 2 mat er i al . So as a means of get t i ng t hr ough t hi s, I ' m 3 goi ng t o t al k a l i t t l e bi t about t he or i gi nal 4 st r uct ur es f i r st and t hen t al k about , i nt r oduce what 5 we know about t he exi st i ng condi t i ons and, l ast l y, 6 t al k about t he const r ai nt s and oppor t uni t i es bot h f or 7 pr eser vat i on and adapt i ve r euse. 8 So on t he l ef t hand si de of t hi s i mage, we 9 see t he ent i r e si t e. Under l ayi ng beneat h t he si t e 10 ar e r eal l y t hr ee l ar ge, cont i nuous, concr et e masses. 11 You see t hese out l i ned i n a bol d whi t e l i ne. Each of 12 t hose bol d whi t e l i nes bounds an ar ea t hat i s a 13 cont i nuous mass of concr et e, t hey ar e each a 14 st r uct ur e. That was j ust a means of const r uct i on. 15 Wi t hi n t hose st r uct ur es, t her e' s an ar r ay, 16 i f you can see, i t ' s a f our deep by f i ve ar r ay of 17 cel l s. We use t he t er m" cel l s" t o descr i be a 18 concr et e el ement t hat r et ai ns a mass of wat er . And 19 t hose cel l s wer e f i l l ed wi t h wat er and r el eased, as 20 needed, as t he oper at i on r equi r ed. 21 I t ' s ver y i mpor t ant t o not e t hat t hese ar e 22 hi ghl y const r ai ned, bot h by t he adj acent cel l s and by McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 123 1 t he soi l ar ound t hem, and we' l l get t o t hat a l i t t l e 2 bi t l at er . But i f you zoomi nt o - - i f you' l l see my 3 f i r st yel l ow bubbl e on t he l ef t . I f you zoomi nt o 4 one of t hose cel l s, Cel l 14 whi ch we' r e payi ng a l ot 5 of at t ent i on t o - - t hi s i s a l i t t l e bi t out of scal e 6 - - 7 But what you see i s t her e' s l i t er al l y one 8 way i nt o t he cel l , one avenue i n per r amp. I t ' s got 9 concr et e wal l s on f our si des. Two of t hemar e 10 boundi ng t he sur r oundi ng soi l , so t hey' r e heavy, mass 11 r et ai ni ng wal l s. The i nt er i or wal l i s a l i ght er 12 wal l . And t hen zoomi ng i n agai n - - I ' msor r y, t hi s 13 under gr ound cel l has 200 col umns, each suppor t i ng a 14 vaul t . 15 So you zoomi n agai n and you st ar t t o see 16 t he scal e of what we' r e t al ki ng about and I ' l l go 17 i nt o t hi s i n mor e det ai l . But I r eal l y f eel i t ' s 18 i mpor t ant f or ever ybody t o under st and t he scal e of 19 what we' r e deal i ng wi t h her e. I n al l , t her e ar e 20 4, 000 of t hese vaul t s over t he t en- acr e st r uct ur e. 21 J ust as a br i ef i nt r oduct i on t o t he 22 const r uct i on, t hese ar e unr ei nf or ced concr et e, and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 124 1 we' l l t al k mor e about t hat l at er . So a cont i nuous 2 st r uct ur e. I t was never i nt ended f or occupancy. I 3 say t hat f or t wo r easons, one, because of t he 4 l oadi ng, t he t ype of const r uct i on t hat was used. 5 But secondl y, t her e' s no wat er pr oof i ng, i t 6 was meant t o house wat er , so t hey di dn' t mi nd i f 7 wat er got i n i t . Ther e' s no wat er pr oof i ng on t op of 8 i t . Wat er penet r at ed t he sur f ace, t he soi l on t op, 9 penet r at ed t he concr et e, got i n her e. I t was mi xed 10 wi t h t he wat er t hat was bei ng t r eat ed, ul t i mat el y, 11 f or dr i nki ng wat er and exi t ed t he si t e. So i t ' s not 12 i nt ended f or occupancy, t her e i s no dr y space, t her e 13 i s no wat er bar r i er . 14 I t ' s al so not i nt ended t o suppor t added 15 l oads. Thi s t op sur f ace was meant f or access by 16 wor ker s onl y, not f or any sor t of vehi cul ar or even 17 heavy pedest r i an use. And i t ' s now over a hundr ed 18 year s ol d. 19 So I ' mgoi ng t o beg your f or gi veness and 20 cal l t hi s St r uct ur es 101 because I need t o descr i be a 21 coupl e of t hi ngs. These ar e vaul t ed st r uct ur es. You 22 can see t hat i n t hi s sect i on her e. Act ual l y, qui t e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 125 1 beaut i f ul when you get i n and l ook at t heml ocal l y. 2 Vaul t ed st r uct ur es wor k i n compr essi on and 3 compr essi on onl y, t hey' r e a ver y anci ent f or mof 4 st r uct ur e. 5 And t he r eason t hat wor ks i s, as I 6 descr i bed bef or e, because t hey' r e hi ghl y conf i ned by 7 t he t hi ngs ar ound t hem, whet her t hey' r e cel l s or 8 soi l , and t hat r epr esent s a f ai r amount of 9 vul ner abi l i t y. And what I mean by t hat i s t hat when 10 somet hi ng happens t hat causes t he vaul t t o no l onger 11 be i n compr essi on, i t becomes an unst abl e st r uct ur e. 12 The t hi ngs t hat coul d cause t hat t o happen woul d be 13 l oadi ng on t op, i f t her e was no l onger a bal anced 14 l oadi ng, or i f somet hi ng moved. And we' l l see i n 15 t hi s st r uct ur e t hat a l ot has moved. 16 When t he soi l t ends t o move bel ow i t and 17 whet her t hat movement r epr esent s - - i f you f ol l ow t he 18 cur ser - - i f t he movement r epr esent s a ver t i cal 19 set t l ement of t he soi l or over t he edges, a l at er al 20 movement of t he edge, bot h of t hose t hi ngs cr eat e an 21 i nst abi l i t y i n t he st r uct ur e t hat cause t ensi on i n 22 concr et e, t hen cr eat e t hese vul ner abi l i t i es, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 126 1 ul t i mat el y, i n t hi s unr ei nf or ced concr et e st r uct ur e 2 t hat can l ead t o a cat ast r ophi c col l apse. 3 The ot her t hi ng I want ed t o ment i on i s t he 4 bl essi ng and t he cur se of t hi s bui l di ng, t hi s 5 st r uct ur e r at her , i s t hat i t was bui l t of 6 unr ei nf or ced concr et e. I t was a moi st ur e r i ch 7 envi r onment . They knew t hat i f t hey r ei nf or ced t hi s, 8 t hat we woul dn' t see t hi s st r uct ur e t oday, we woul d 9 have had t o t ear i t down 50 year s ago. The st eel 10 r ei nf or cement i n t hat ki nd of const ant exposur e t o 11 moi st ur e woul d have caused r ust . The r ust woul d have 12 what we cal l bl oomed, i t woul d have expl oded and i t 13 woul d have been a subj ect of demol i t i on and no l onger 14 her e. 15 So t her e i s no r ei nf or cement i n t hi s 16 st r uct ur e. I n f act , some of t he r epai r s t hat wer e 17 done back i n t he ' 40s wer e done wi t h st eel and you go 18 i n t oday and t hey' ve expl oded. 19 So t he ot her sor t of subt l et y t hat I need 20 t o r ai se, i t ' s a ser i ous consi der at i on, because we 21 have t hese l ar ge masses of concr et e t hat have been 22 subj ect t o - - t hat have been wet , basi cal l y, si nce McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 127 1 t he day t hey wer e bui l t and we' r e t al ki ng about 2 pot ent i al l y usi ng t hemas i nhabi t ed space. We need 3 t o dr y t hemout . 4 And so vol ume changes occur when you change 5 t he moi st ur e of concr et e and especi al l y when i t ' s a 6 l ar ge mass of concr et e of t hi s magni t ude. That ' s a 7 ser i ous consi der at i on as we move f or war d. 8 One l ast bi t . Unr ei nf or ced concr et e i s not 9 per mi t t ed by code t oday, we don' t do i t . The onl y 10 pl ace t hat we use unr ei nf or ced concr et e i s bet ween, 11 you know, t he bot t omof our f oot i ng and soi l and i t ' s 12 f or t he r easons I j ust descr i bed. 13 When we put r ei nf or ci ng i n bui l di ngs, i t ' s 14 t o acknowl edge t hat t her e wi l l be a cr ack and when 15 t hat cr ack opens up, i t ' s car r i ed by t he st eel of t he 16 st r uct ur e. And bef or e some sor t of a col l apse 17 happens, t her e' s l ar ge def or mat i ons, t her e' s t i me, 18 t her e ar e t hi ngs t hat al l ow us t o get out of t he 19 st r uct ur e bef or e i t becomes unsaf e. 20 So I want ever ybody t o be awar e t hat t hi s 21 cl ass of st r uct ur e i s subj ect t o cat ast r ophi c 22 f ai l ur es. I n f act , you' l l see out at t he si t e, t hi s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 128 1 has happened. 2 The ot her t hi ng t hat happens i s t hat i n 3 t hese unr ei nf or ced cei l i ngs, when somet hi ng st ar t s t o 4 spal l of f , t her e' s no r ei nf or cement t her e t o hol d i t 5 i n pl ace. So l ar ge chunks of concr et e can be 6 pr eci pi t at ed by movement and can cr eat e a f al l i ng 7 hazar d i nt er i or t o t he st r uct ur e. So unr ei nf or ced 8 concr et e i s ver y, ver y vul ner abl e t o l oadi ng and 9 set t l ement pr obl ems. 10 So we st ar t ed our wor k t o i dent i f y t he 11 exi st i ng condi t i ons. Ther e was a r epor t done whi ch 12 we r ef er t o as CCJ M, J ohnson and Mal hor t a, i n 2000, a 13 ver y good r epor t . Unf or t unat el y, i t was a dr af t 14 r epor t and never i ssued i n f i nal f or m. 15 But t hey per f or med a condi t i on assessment , 16 t hey r epor t ed on pr i or assessment s t hat had been done 17 i n 1944, i n 1967, bot h of whi ch wher e t hey not ed 18 ext ensi ve cr acki ng and some col l apse. They per f or med 19 a st r uct ur al anal ysi s and devel oped sever al 20 al t er nat i ves, bot h f or pr eser vat i on, as wel l as 21 ver t i cal addi t i ons, and t hey l i st ed a one- and a 22 f our - st or y addi t i on. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 129 1 They al so i dent i f i ed t he cost of t hese 2 scenar i os i n 2000 dol l ar s and i n t he year 2000, i t 3 was somewher e bet ween t wo and ar ound $3 mi l l i on a 4 cel l , j ust t o pr eser ve t he cel l s, i n t hei r opi ni on, 5 so t he 40 t o $56 mi l l i on mi ni mumpr eser vat i on 6 pr oj ect . 7 I n 2012, we i ssued a r epor t t hat was r eal l y 8 an updat e of t hei r r epor t . What we f ound i n t he 9 r evi ew of t hei r r epor t i s t hat t hey di dn' t compl et e 10 t he wor k and one of t he t hi ngs t hey wer e mi ssi ng was 11 r eal l y an anal ysi s of t he i mpact of t he soi l s on t he 12 si t e. 13 We knew t hat t he soi l s wer e a pr obl em, so 14 we got mor e i nf or mat i on and st ar t ed t o addr ess what 15 i mpact t he st r engt h of t he soi l s had and what i mpact 16 t he set t l ement of t hose soi l s had on t hese uni que 17 st r uct ur es. 18 We al so updat ed t he condi t i on assessment 19 and per f or med f ur t her anal ysi s and t hen al so r evi sed 20 t hese var i ous al t er nat i ves and we' r e goi ng t o t al k 21 mor e about t hat . But i n essence, t hi s set t he st age 22 f or t he di scussi on of t he r euse opt i on. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 130 1 So we l ooked at pot ent i al l y onl y r eusi ng 2 t he t opsi de, what does i t t ake t o al l ow peopl e t o use 3 t hi s as a par k. We l ooked at pot ent i al r equi r ement s 4 f or usi ng t he i nt er i or as an occupi ed space and we 5 l ooked at oppor t uni t i es f or over bui l d. 6 And t he one t hi ng I want t o poi nt out i s 7 t hat we di d f i nd t hat t he CCJ M r epor t , because i t 8 wasn' t compl et e, had over est i mat ed t he amount of 9 ver t i cal expansi on t hat coul d be put on t hi s bui l di ng 10 and we r evi sed t hat , we r educed t hat t o a t wo- t o 11 t hr ee- st or y l i ght f r ame const r uct i on, as opposed t o a 12 f our - st or y of f i ce t ype const r uct i on. 13 We' ve al r eady seen t he exi st i ng condi t i on 14 l ayout . 15 Somet hi ng el se t hat Emi l y had al l uded t o 16 and I want t o get t o mor e speci f i cs i s we di d know 17 t her e was a si gni f i cant r egr adi ng on t he si t e, 18 st ar t i ng I t hi nk r i ght af t er t he Ci vi l War . But t hi s 19 r ed l i ne r epr esent s t he di vi si on bet ween what was 20 bel ow t hat r equi r ed el evat i on and what was above. 21 Ther e was sor t of a peak al ong her e and a val l ey her e 22 and t hi s i s t he ol d Ti ber Cr eek under neat h t he si t e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 131 1 So t hi s mat er i al was cut , t hi s mat er i al was bui l t , 2 we di d know t hat . 3 Then bot h t he CCJ M r epor t and our r epor t 4 r epor t ed degr ees of damage t o t hese concr et e cel l s, 5 t he r ed bei ng t he wor st , wher e we' ve act ual l y had 6 col l apses, r angi ng al l t he way back t o mi nor . 7 And you can see, i f you t oggl e back and 8 f or t h, t he sor t of di r ect cor r el at i on bet ween t he 9 f i l l mat er i al on t he si t e and t he col l apses, 10 speci f i cal l y, and t he damage, so i t ' s t el l i ng us a 11 l ot of what we know. But t he i mpact on t he st r uct ur e 12 was t hat t her e was si gni f i cant set t l ement , i t was 13 ongoi ng si nce ' 67 or bef or e, i t cont i nues t oday. 14 And t he ot her t hi ngs ver y i mpor t ant her e i s 15 t hat t hat expl ai ns t hi s r ed and or ange swat h. I t 16 doesn' t expl ai n t he yel l ow. What ' s happeni ng i n 17 t hese yel l ow zones i s t hat when conf i nement i s 18 of f er ed by a l ar ge r et ai ni ng wal l al ong i t s edge and 19 a ber mof soi l , t hat t ends t o move l at er al l y and t hat 20 l at er al movement al so compr omi ses t he cel l s. That ' s 21 a ver y i mpor t ant poi nt because t hese ar eas wer e shown 22 t o be compr omi sed. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 132 1 I n any scenar i o, i f you l ook at t hi s 2 di agr am, al l t hr ee of t he st r uct ur es, t hi s bei ng one, 3 t wo, t hr ee, have been compr omi sed over t i me. I n any 4 scenar i o wher e we subdi vi de and save some of t hese 5 cel l s and not t he whol e st r uct ur e, we' r e goi ng t o be 6 cr eat i ng an edge zone. So even t hough i t hasn' t 7 necessar i l y been compr omi sed - - 8 So f or exampl e, t her e was a l ot of 9 exci t ement about t hese t hr ee cel l s. Those cel l s ar e 10 uncompr omi sed t oday, but i t ' s such a sensi t i ve 11 st r uct ur e t hat anyt hi ng t hat we woul d do i s goi ng t o 12 compr omi se t hose t o some degr ee l at er . 13 I t hi nk ever ybody has t he pi ct ur e, but I 14 want t o show you di r ect l y i f you haven' t seen t hi s. 15 The saf et y i ssues ar e ver y obvi ous when you get out 16 t o si t e. Ther e ar e gapi ng hol es al ong Nor t h Capi t ol 17 St r eet on t he hi gh si de of t he ber m. So we' ve got 18 i ni t i al l y, cr acki ng of concr et e r i ght at t he apex of 19 t hese vaul t s. Then we st ar t t o see t hese hi nges and 20 t hese hi nges happen al l t hr oughout t he st r uct ur e i n 21 many of t he vaul t s. 22 And t hen ul t i mat el y, i f you wat ch my l i t t l e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 133 1 Fr ed Fl i nt st one di agr am, t hi s r eaches a cer t ai n poi nt 2 wher e ei t her t he set t l ement l at er al l y or ver t i cal l y 3 i s such t hat i t j ust r eaches an i nst abi l i t y. And 4 t hat does happen cat ast r ophi cal l y. 5 And whi l e i t l ooks ki nd of t r i t e on my 6 di agr am, t hi s i s t ons of soi l , t hi s i s a huge mass of 7 mat er i al t hat comes down i n t he mi ddl e of t hi s. We 8 see peopl e wal ki ng out t her e, occasi onal l y, and I 9 war n t hem, I j ust say t hi s i s not a good i dea. Thi s 10 i s a ver y danger ous si t uat i on. 11 You know, i t ' s qui t e st r i ki ng and beaut i f ul 12 f r omt he i nsi de. Once you open t hese up, t hey l ook 13 qui t e compel l i ng, but t hi s i s a ver y danger ous 14 si t uat i on f r omt he i nsi de. And get t i ng nat ur al l i ght 15 i nt o t hese cel l s i s not possi bl e. 16 So t he f i r st t hi ng t hat I want t o emphasi ze 17 i s - - I ' ml ooki ng now at Const r ai nt s and 18 Oppor t uni t i es - - t hese cel l s cannot be used as i s, 19 you can' t j ust t ake down t he f ence and st ar t usi ng i t 20 as a par k. I t ' s gr eat , sounds wonder f ul ; i t cannot 21 be done, i t ' s an unsaf e condi t i on as i s. We' ve 22 devel oped scenar i os t o f i x i t and we' l l t al k about McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 134 1 t hat . 2 The ot her t hi ng you need t o know, as I j ust 3 ment i oned, i s i f we do any wor k di r ect l y adj acent t o 4 a cel l , we need t o al so t ake speci al measur es and 5 st abi l i ze t hat cel l . These ar e phot ogr aphs of t he 6 wor k t hat D. C. Wat er has been doi ng i n t hei r cur r ent 7 oper at i on. Thi s i s at t he por t al , wher e t hey had t o 8 have - - t hey t ook ext ensi ve measur es t o st abi l i ze t he 9 por t al as t he excavat i on and demol i t i on occur r ed 10 behi nd i t and t hese ar e i n adj acent cel l s t o t hei r 11 demol i t i on. 12 So t he l ast t hi ng I ' d l i ke t o go t hr ough i s 13 speci f i cal l y what we i nvest i gat ed. Thr ee gener i c 14 si t uat i ons wher e we used t he t opsi de, wher e we used 15 t he i nt er i or and accompani ed wi t h some t opsi de use, 16 and t hen t he t hi r d, an over - bui l d scenar i o, wher e you 17 ei t her use t he i nt er i or down bel ow or you don' t . 18 On t he t opsi de l oadi ng, i n t heor y, we don' t 19 have t o wat er pr oof t hi s, r i ght ? So i t woul d r equi r e 20 compl et e r emoval of al l t hi s soi l , r epl aci ng i t wi t h 21 a new sl ab t hat t i es t he st r uct ur e t oget her , t hat 22 pr ovi des us a new engi neer ed sur f ace on whi ch we can McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 135 1 put l i ght vehi cul ar t r af f i c and peopl e, put soi l 2 back, r eoccupy i t . 3 Unf or t unat el y, t hat added wei ght al so 4 r equi r es us t o r ei nf or ce t he exi st i ng f oundat i ons. 5 Thi s coul d be done pr obabl y wi t hi n t he dept h of t he 6 sand t hat ' s t her e, so t hat t he i nt er i or woul d appear 7 as i t does t oday. And t hen we' d have t o mai nt ai n 8 access t o t hi s f or i nspect i on, but t hat woul d be i t . 9 The r eal chal l enge her e i s t he i nt er i or 10 char act er i s mai nt ai ned, but i t ' s r eal l y i naccessi bl e 11 f or occupancy, t her e' s r eal l y no chance of usi ng 12 t hi s, onl y maybe access f or i nspect i on. 13 I t r equi r es, as I ment i oned, ver y car ef ul 14 cont r ol of any adj acent const r uct i on, i t r equi r es 15 cont r ol of vehi cl es and const r uct i on act i vi t y on t he 16 t op. And t hat was t he scenar i o t hat had been l ar gel y 17 pr i ced, at 2, 000 dol l ar s, t wo t o $3 mi l l i on a cel l . 18 I nt er i or use, al l t he t opsi de r equi r ement s 19 I j ust ment i oned. Now we have t o put i n new 20 dr ai nage, get t he wat er of f and wat er pr oof t he 21 st r uct ur e. 22 I t ' s al so goi ng t o r equi r e i nt er i or McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 136 1 r epai r s, a l ot of t he cr acki ng i nvol ved mapped out , 2 we know wher e we need t o go. I t al so r equi r es 3 r egul ar moni t or i ng and mai nt enance and t hi s i s 4 somet hi ng I need t o emphasi ze, because we' r e dr yi ng 5 t hemout , because we' r e not el i mi nat i ng al l of t he 6 set t l ement of t he soi l s. 7 Whoever t he user of t hi s space i s i s goi ng 8 t o have t o al l ow us t o cont i nue t o see t he under si de 9 of t hat st r uct ur e, so t hat cr acks don' t st ar t t o 10 pr eci pi t at e and l ar ge f r agment s of concr et e don' t 11 come down. So i t ' s a speci al i zed use. I cal l i t not 12 a convent i onal 50- year desi gn l i f e sol ut i on, but i t ' s 13 somet hi ng t hat coul d be done i n t heor y. 14 Chal l enges I t al ked about , t he cr acki ng, 15 t he vi si bi l i t y on t he under si de. But t he f oundat i ons 16 now, t he f oundat i on r ei nf or cement becomes a bi gger 17 pr obl embecause you r eal l y don' t have t he cei l i ng 18 hei ght i n t he maj or i t y of t hese cel l s t hat you need. 19 Removi ng t he sand woul d be a ver y good i dea, but now 20 t hese r ei nf or ced f oot i ngs st ar t t o get i n t he way. 21 Ther e ar e l ot s of ot her nonst r uct ur e consi der at i ons 22 whi ch I ' l l go t hr ough i n a mi nut e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 137 1 Last l y, t he over - bui l d. The pr i or r epor t 2 had sai d r ei nf or ce t hese f oot i ngs, ever y ot her or 3 ever y t hi r d f oot i ng and j ust put new l oad on t op of 4 i t , make a huge pi er her e and put a new bui l di ng on 5 t op of i t . 6 We absol ut el y di sagr ee wi t h t hat appr oach 7 and I t hi nk t hat t hey woul d, as wel l . But what we 8 f ound i s t hat i f you t ake ever y ot her one of t hese 9 col umns and subj ect i t t o t he set t l ement t hat t hat 10 new l oad woul d i mpose, t hi s ent i r e st r uct ur e woul d 11 be, i n essence, demol i shed. The di st r ess i n t hi s 12 unr ei nf or ced concr et e woul d be unaccept abl e, we' d be 13 t hr owi ng t he baby out wi t h t he bat h wat er , i t ' s not a 14 good si t uat i on. 15 We devel oped an al t er nat i ve appr oach, whi ch 16 f r oma pur el y st r uct ur al per spect i ve we t hi nk makes 17 sense. We do some l i mi t ed demol i t i on of t he exi st i ng 18 f oundat i on sl ab, we put i n some new deep pi l e 19 f oundat i on and we come i n wi t h - - and t hi s i s 20 l i t er al l y t hr ough t he manhol es, pr obabl y, but a ver y 21 sensi t i ve i sol at i on of a new st r uct ur e. 22 The pr obl emi s t hi s can onl y accommodat e a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 138 1 t wo- t o t hr ee- st or y, as I sai d, l i ght f r ame 2 const r uct i on. And whi l e, you know, i t may be an 3 at t r act i ve appr oach t o me, put t i ng a new col umn i n 4 t he mi ddl e of a 14- f oot bay i s not a ver y at t r act i ve 5 sol ut i on f or many ot her s. 6 So I j ust want ed t o say we' ve i nvest i gat ed 7 al l t hr ee of t hese, our t eamhas had t hi s 8 i nf or mat i on. 9 I ' mnot goi ng t o go t hr ough t hese, but t he 10 nonst r uct ur al chal l enges wi t h usi ng t hi s space t hat 11 i s l ef t over , once we do al l our wor k, ar e ver y 12 si gni f i cant because of t he cei l i ng hei ght s, t he bay 13 si ze, si ght l i nes, t r yi ng t o get mechani cal and 14 ut i l i t i es, t hat i nt o t hi s ver y conf i ned space. And 15 t hen al so, you know, we need t o connect t hi s f or 16 egr ess; t her e' s onl y one means i nt o t hi s r i ght now. 17 We have r ampi ng, ADA, al l sor t s of t hi ngs. 18 And t hen, you know, you l ook at t hi s and I 19 do l ove t he st r uct ur e, but t her e' s 4, 000 of t hese, 20 and wi t h al l t he l i mi t at i ons her e, t he r eal quest i on 21 i s how much of t hi s can we absor b. 22 J ust i n summar y, and I apol ogi ze f or t aki ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 139 1 so much t i me, we' ve l ooked at t hese al t er nat i ves, 2 t hey' r e cover ed i n gr eat det ai l i n our r epor t . I n 3 our opi ni on, t he pr oposed sol ut i on bal ances 4 pr eser vat i on and adapt i ve r euse of a number of t hese 5 under gr ound cel l s, wi t h si gni f i cant pr eser vat i on of 6 t he above- gr ade st r uct ur es, wi t h t he devel opment of 7 t he si t e. And i t seems l i ke a ver y r easonabl e and 8 appr opr i at e sol ut i on. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you. 10 MS. BROWN: I j ust have one qui ck quest i on. 11 BY MS. BROWN: 12 Q You mentioned that it was over ten acres. 13 The actual area of the site is 25 acres. 14 A Oh, I ' msor r y. Each of t he cel l s i s one 15 acr e, t her e ar e 20 of t hose cel l s, and t hen t he 16 r emai nder of t he si t e f i l l s out at 25 acr es. My 17 apol ogi es, t hanks f or t he cor r ect i on. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Ms. Fer st er ? 19 MS. FERSTER: Yes, t hank you. 20 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 21 BY MS. FERSTER: 22 Q So I'm holding your report dated April McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 140 1 10th, 2014, the Existing Conditions and Assessment of 2 Feasibility Evaluation, and I have a couple of 3 questions about your presentation. 4 A Sur e. 5 Q One question is whether or not everything 6 in your presentation that you have summarized here 7 today is expanded, the detail is in this particular 8 report, or is there additional items? 9 A I bel i eve t he onl y addi t i onal i t ems t hat 10 we' ve i ncl uded wer e i n r esponse t o t est i mony, pr i or 11 t est i mony. 12 Q And what were those additional items that 13 are not summarized in your report? 14 A Ther e was a l ot of f ocus by you on t he CCJ M 15 r epor t . 16 Q So going particularly to your discussion of 17 the three reuse options that you laid out here, the 18 sort of park, the interior and the overbuild, are 19 those, that discussion of those reuse options 20 described in more detail in this report? 21 A Yes. 22 Q And can you direct me to which pages of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 141 1 that report? 2 A I t ' s under t he Feasi bi l i t y St udy sect i on, 3 Pages 41 t hr ough 44. 4 Q Okay, and in particular, you provided some 5 cost estimates for the costs of some of these various 6 reuse -- 7 A No, t hat ' s not t r ue. 8 Q -- scenarios in that report? 9 A No, we di d not pr ovi de any cost est i mat es. 10 Q No, in your presentation, I wrote down you 11 said 2,000 to $2 million per cell cost and other 12 costs that you mentioned here. Are they set forth in 13 this report? 14 A No, I bel i eve I made i t cl ear t hat t hose 15 came f r omt he CCJ M r epor t of 2000. 16 Q Okay, so none of those costs are in your 17 report. 18 A Cor r ect . 19 Q And how about the part of your testimony 20 where you talked about the fact that you disagreed 21 with the CCJM report about the overbuild allowing 22 four stories and that you think the overbuild, only McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 142 1 one to two stories. Can you direct me to where in 2 your report that's discussed, one to two stories? 3 A Wel l , t her e was cl ar i f i cat i on pr ovi ded, 4 based on t he r ecent t est i mony. 5 Q Okay, so it's not in your report. 6 A Our r epor t i dent i f i es a t wo- t o t hr ee- st or y 7 ver t i cal expansi on and - - 8 Q Excuse me. 9 A Our r epor t i dent i f i es a t wo- t o t hr ee- st or y 10 l i ght f r ame ver t i cal expansi on. 11 Q And where is that, please? 12 A I don' t know, of f t he t op of my head, but I 13 wi l l get t hat page number and so f or t h f or you. 14 Q Okay, and so this later elaboration where 15 you now think that the overbuild could only allow one 16 to two stories, is there a separate analysis that 17 you -- 18 A I don' t bel i eve I sai d t hat . 19 Q I'm sorry, maybe we should go back to your 20 frame, then, on the overbuild. 21 A Two- t o t hr ee- st or y l i ght f r ame. 22 Q Two to three stories, okay. I don't think McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 143 1 it's funny, but thank you for helping me out. So if 2 you could, the overbuild is on Page 43, Option 6, is 3 that the overbuild interior program? So was this the 4 paragraph or the place in your report where you 5 discuss the two- to three-story overbuild? 6 A I ' mgoi ng t o have t o r evi ew t he r epor t t o 7 f i gur e out exact l y wher e we say t wo t o t hr ee st or i es, 8 but I i magi ne i t ' s her e. Do you want me t o do t hi s 9 now or woul d you l i ke me t o get back t o you? 10 J UDGE BYRNE: What ' s t he - - 11 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 12 Q I mean it's really only one page, but if 13 you would like to do it later, that's fine, you can 14 come back. 15 A I woul d pr ef er t o do t hat . 16 Q Okay, so are you involved in the 17 preservation of Cell 28, the structural work on that 18 cell? 19 A Ther e hasn' t been any wor k done on t hat 20 yet , but I hope t o be. 21 Q So this is not within the scope of your 22 work as yet. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 144 1 A No. 2 Q And are you prepared to provide the 3 Malhorta report into the record at this proceeding, 4 since it was the basis of some of your analysis? 5 A I bel i eve i t ' s par t of t he r ecor d and has 6 been f or year s. 7 MS. BROWN: I don' t know t hat i t ' s par t of 8 t hi s r ecor d and t he Opponent s ar e wel come t o submi t 9 i t , as wel l . 10 THE WI TNESS: The r equest was made by t hi s 11 i ndi vi dual pr i or , so I i magi ne you have i t . 12 MS. BROWN: I t was at t he Zoni ng 13 Commi ssi on. 14 THE WI TNESS: Okay. 15 MS. BROWN: I ' msor r y, I ' mspeaki ng out of 16 t ur n. 17 MS. FERSTER: But you don' t pl an t o submi t 18 i t i nt o t he r ecor d as par t of t he Appl i cant s' case. 19 MS. BROWN: Not at t hi s t i me. 20 THE WI TNESS: I def er . 21 MS. FERSTER: Okay, t hat ' s al l I have f or 22 now. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 145 1 MS. MERRI TT: I have j ust a coupl e of 2 quest i ons. 3 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 4 Q Would it be possible to go Slides 12 and 5 13? So Cell 28, I believe, is the cell that's been 6 chosen for renovation, that's the bottom row, second 7 from the right corner. And then on the next slide, 8 13, it shows that it's in a severe damaged condition. 9 A Mm- hmm. 10 Q Do you have any knowledge about why a 11 severely damaged cell was the one chosen for 12 preservation, as opposed to one that's in better 13 condition? 14 A I know t hat i t was a bal ance bet ween ot her 15 pr eser vat i on f ocused agenda on t he si t e. Ther e was a 16 gr eat i nt er est i n t he ber mand i n t he pr eser vat i on of 17 t he si t e l i nes, whi ch we' ve j ust di scussed, and so 18 t her e was an i nt er est on t he par t of t he t eamt o say, 19 " Can t hat be pr eser ved, " and t he answer was, " Yes. " 20 I t pr obabl y r epr esent s mor e money and mor e 21 i nvest i gat i on, but t hat was t he answer . 22 Q Do you have a cost estimate of what the McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 146 1 preservation of that cell would involve? 2 A No, I do not . 3 Q Could you put up Slide 21? This is the 4 overbuild slide. Is it your understanding that this 5 is the concept that's being proposed for Cell 28, the 6 overbuild concept, or is it a different concept? 7 A No, t hi s wor k was done some t i me ago and 8 t hi s was i ni t i al f easi bi l i t y st udi es t o see what 9 coul d be done at t he si t e. So t hi s was pr ovi ded t o 10 t he t eamt o see what t hey coul d - - i t ' s a pal et t e of 11 opt i ons. And I do not bel i eve t her e' s any over bui l d 12 pl an f or Cel l 28 t hat ' s goi ng t o be par t of t he 13 pl i nt h. 14 Q Okay, I guess I stepped over a step in the 15 logic. The location of the community center, is it 16 your understanding that that's going to overlap with 17 Cell 28, or do you know? 18 A No, I bel i eve t hat ' s t he adj acent cel l . 19 Q One more question about Slide 21, though. 20 So in the overbuild scenario, it doesn't say anything 21 about whether or not any access to the underground 22 would be allowed, other than for inspectors. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 147 1 A Yes. 2 Q And what was your -- 3 A Ther e ar e many per mut at i ons of t hese, so I 4 t r i ed t o addr ess t hemi n i sol at i on. But yes, I di d 5 ment i on r at her qui ckl y, I ' l l admi t , t hat t hi s coul d 6 be done ei t her wi t h or wi t hout access t o t he 7 under gr ound. I f we needed access t o t he under gr ound, 8 t hen al l of t he const r ai nt s, al l t he r equi r ement s and 9 t he chal l enges of t he f i r st sl i de woul d appl y, as 10 wel l . 11 Q The first slide to -- 12 A I ' msor r y, t he f i r st opt i on. 13 Q -- topside loading or -- 14 A I nt er i or use. 15 Q Could you go back to 12 and 13 with a map 16 of the different cells? 17 MS. MERRI TT: I s t her e anot her wi t ness, 18 coul d I ask, who' s goi ng t o speak t o t he l ocat i on of 19 t he communi t y cent er ? 20 MS. BROWN: Yes. 21 MS. MERRI TT: Okay, I don' t have any ot her 22 quest i ons. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 148 1 MS. BROWN: You had quest i ons, r i ght ? 2 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk I have one. J ust t o 3 go back t o t he CCJ M st udy and t he cost est i mat es or 4 t he pr i ces t hat wer e t her e, and t hat was j ust f or , as 5 I under st and i t , t he st abi l i zat i on of t he cel l s - - 6 THE WI TNESS: Uh- huh. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: - - f or peopl e t o be abl e t o 8 j ust t r aver se acr oss t he t op. 9 THE WI TNESS: Cor r ect . 10 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s cor r ect , not hi ng t o do 11 wi t h cost of addi ng any ki nd of over bui l d or access. 12 THE WI TNESS: Two answer s. So t hey di d 13 have opt i ons f or i ncr easi ng or r ei nf or ci ng so t hat 14 t he bui l di ng became a f oundat i on f or t he over bui l d, 15 so wi t hi n t he r ange of t wo, i t went f r omt wo t o sor t 16 of t hr ee mi l l i on per cel l . 17 J UDGE BYRNE: I see. 18 THE WI TNESS: We di sagr ee wi t h t hat 19 appr oach, f undament al l y. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Fundament al l y, about - - 21 THE WI TNESS: The cel l . 22 J UDGE BYRNE: - - t he physi cal possi bi l i t y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 149 1 of usi ng t he cel l s as t he f oundat i on f or bui l di ng. 2 THE WI TNESS: Ri ght . 3 J UDGE BYRNE: I t ' s r eal l y not a quest i on of 4 i ncr eased cost i n your mi nd, i t ' s j ust t he physi cal 5 f easi bi l i t y of you doi ng t hat . 6 THE WI TNESS: Exact l y. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you, t hat ' s al l I have. 8 MS. BROWN: I r eal i ze i t ' s al most 12: 30. I 9 don' t know i f i t ' s appr opr i at e t o r ecal l Emi l y Ei g at 10 t hi s poi nt t o now - - 11 J UDGE BYRNE: Sur e, l et ' s do t hat , because 12 you sai d you want ed her t o comment on t he st r uct ur al . 13 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk t hat woul d be a good 14 br eaki ng poi nt . 15 J UDGE BYRNE: Let ' s do t hat and t hen we' l l 16 t ake a br eak f or l unch. 17 Wher eupon, 18 EMI LY HOTALI NG EI G 19 was exami ned and t est i f i ed as f ol l ows: 20 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 21 BY MS. BROWN: 22 Q Ms. Eig, you've have a chance to look at McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 150 1 the structural elements, the structural report from 2 Mr. Mettam. In your opinion, can you achieve 3 preservation more than what we're doing on this site? 4 A Pr eser vat i on? 5 Q Yes. Of the options that he showed, is 6 there any way to use, preserve the cells -- in his 7 first option, he was preserving the cells. 8 A To t he Secr et ar y of I nt er i or st andar ds, 9 whi ch woul d be r equi r ed - - 10 Q Right. 11 A - - by t he deed i f we wer e pr eser vi ng t hem? 12 Q If you preserve them that way, would you be 13 having a project of special merit? Would you be able 14 to use this site? 15 A I don' t t hi nk you can be abl e t o use t hi s 16 si t e. The l evel of damage t hat t he cel l s have was 17 not t aken i nt o account i n anyt hi ng t hat was 18 di scussed, i t was j ust a r aw cel l , okay, f i r st . 19 And t he i nt er vent i ons t hat I ' ve seen, l i ke, 20 D. C. Wat er wer e so sever e when t hey wer e act ual l y 21 t r yi ng t o save t hi ngs and t hey wer e j ust cr acki ng 22 t hem- - we saw t her e' s an i mage of t hat I t hi nk i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 151 1 t he sl i des, so I t hi nk i t woul d be ver y di f f i cul t t o 2 because t he - - I ' mnot sur e I under st and your 3 quest i on. Pl ease, so I can make sur e I under st and. 4 Q Let me ask a different question. Was there 5 a plan at one time to put the park in the center of 6 the site? 7 A Yes, t her e was. 8 Q And that would have been in the location of 9 the cells that have the least amount of damage -- 10 A Ri ght . 11 Q -- is that correct? 12 A Cor r ect . 13 Q And yet, that alternative was not pursued. 14 A Ri ght . 15 Q Why not? 16 A The pl acement of t he par k i n t he cent er , 17 wel l , i t f i r st seemed l i ke a good i dea when i t was 18 bei ng br ought f or war d. But t he mor e t hat i t was 19 di scussed, i t seemed t hat i t di d not - - i t wasn' t 20 opt i mumi n t er ms of t r yi ng t o pr eser ve. And bel ow 21 gr ound, maybe i t was bet t er , but above gr ound, i t was 22 not bet t er , because t he sense of t he openness of t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 152 1 space was gone. 2 The cur r ent pl an al l ows t hat openness of 3 t hat sout her n t hi r d t o keep a sense of pl ace t hat i s 4 so st r ong f or t he si t e. 5 And al so, by havi ng t he openness i n t he 6 mi ddl e, you di dn' t get t he benef i t of t he ber m, t he 7 exper i ence of t he ber mbei ng hi gh at t he sout her n end 8 and l ow at t he nor t her n end. Ther e was j ust t hat 9 sor t of equi l i br i umt her e, whi ch act ual l y wor ked 10 agai nst an under st andi ng of what had happened on t hi s 11 si t e, so t hat i t was cr amped and i t di dn' t have an 12 openness t hat i s al l owed by t he sout her n sect i on 13 bei ng pr eser ved. 14 Q If you were to try to preserve more cells, 15 would we be achieving the project of special merit 16 proposed today? 17 A Wel l , we' ve t al ked about pr eser vi ng mor e 18 cel l s. The pr obl emwi t h pr eser vi ng mor e cel l s i s 19 t hat ei t her i t has a physi cal i mpact or a f i nanci al 20 i mpact t hat i s so gr eat on t he pr oj ect . I t hi nk 21 usi ng t he CCJ M number s f r om2000, t he t wo t o $2. 8 22 mi l l i on was j ust t o st abi l i ze so you coul d wal k on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 153 1 t op of i t . And i t di dn' t t ake i nt o account any ki nd 2 of damage t hat was wi t hi n t he cel l s, i t was j ust t he 3 r aw cel l s t hat t hey pr oposed. 4 I don' t t hi nk t hat you coul d - - you 5 coul dn' t access i t . You don' t get anyt hi ng mor e t han 6 you get r i ght now. I mean i t ' s l i ke you have a 7 si t uat i on wher e we ar e goi ng t o have a par k t hat 8 peopl e can act ual l y wal k on, t hey wi l l be abl e t o see 9 i nt o some cel l s, wi t h a l ot of r emedi at i on on our 10 par t , t hey wi l l see and under st and i t . But i f we 11 wer e pr eser vi ng mor e cel l s, t he i mpact woul d be 12 al most l i ke no di f f er ent , i t doesn' t r eal l y gai n us 13 anyt hi ng, i f t hat makes sense. 14 Q And to reinforce it with another column 15 going down through the manholes and the reinforce 16 that it would take, is the integrity of the structure 17 compromised? 18 A Yes. 19 Q And is that good preservation? 20 A No. 21 MS. BROWN: Thank you. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Ms. Fer st er ? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 154 1 MS. FERSTER: Yes. 2 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 3 BY MS. FERSTER: 4 Q In terms of the last question that Ms. 5 Brown asked you about whether reinforcement was good 6 preservation, isn't it correct that demolition of the 7 cells is probably worse preservation than the 8 reinforcement of the cells? 9 A I don' t t hi nk t hat you can compar e t hem 10 t hat way, because i t ' s - - do you t hi nk i t ' s bet t er t o 11 r econst r uct a bui l di ng t hat i s l ost , i s t hat 12 pr eser vat i on? No, i t ' s a new const r uct i on. 13 Q Well, let me ask you -- 14 A You woul dn' t have any abi l i t y t o go i nt o 15 t hese cel l s wi t h t hat const r uct i on. I t hi nk as Ki r k 16 expl ai ned, we have a si t uat i on t hat we have t o l ayer 17 on t hese di f f er ent appr oaches i n or der t o get what 18 you' r e t al ki ng about . 19 Q Mm-hmm. 20 A So you woul d be doi ng t he over bui l d wi t h 21 t he col umns, t hese col umns ever y seven f eet , ever y 22 seven f eet - - McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 155 1 Q Mm-hmm. 2 A - - and t hat you coul dn' t go i n t hat space. 3 Q Okay. Wholly apart from that issue, okay, 4 so I'm looking at your report, Appendix K, which is 5 the Secretary of Interior's standards that outlines 6 four treatments, approaches, and the four are 7 preservation, rehabilitation, restoration and 8 reconstruction. 9 And isn't it correct that a reconstruction 10 means all the elements, you know, contributing 11 elements of the structure are gone and you 12 reconstruct it? 13 A Yes, i t ' s mi ssi ng, t hi s woul d be - - yes. 14 Q Right. So if you retained many of the 15 elements, that you reinforced the vaults so that you 16 were not wholly demolishing that, wouldn't that be 17 more like a restoration? 18 A No. 19 Q Okay, what would that be? 20 A You' d be encapsul at i ng, essent i al l y, t he 21 cel l s and you woul d be pr eser vi ng t hemi n pl ace, but 22 t hey woul d not be vi si bl e, t hey coul d not be accessed McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 156 1 and t hey woul d cost t r emendous amount s of money. 2 Q Okay, so that would be a preservation 3 option, then, a preservation in place. 4 A That pr eser vat i on opt i on, t he pr eser vat i on 5 of - - 6 Q Well, bad in the sense it would be costly 7 and inaccessible, but it would still be a 8 preservation option. 9 A Dependi ng on how f ar i t went . I f you wer e 10 compl et el y encapsul at i ng damaged mat er i al s, because 11 you' r e not r epai r i ng mat er i al s f i r st , you ar e 12 essent i al l y cr eat i ng t hi s - - I ' mt r yi ng t o t hi nk of 13 an equi val ent t hi ng. Ther e' s not hi ng gai ned by i t , 14 t her e' s not hi ng gai ned by i t . You can' t go i nt o i t , 15 you can' t t ouch i t , you can' t see i t , i t ' s 16 under gr ound and you don' t even know what i t ' s goi ng 17 t o l ook l i ke any mor e because each of t he - - t hat was 18 a ver y pur e si t uat i on t hat you have t her e. 19 Q Okay. 20 A I f you wor ked wi t h r eal bui l di ngs and wi t h 21 r eal concr et e, you know t hat t hey st ar t t o f al l 22 apar t . You coul d r econst r uct t hem, we coul d t ear McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 157 1 t hemdown and r ecr eat e t hem, not pr eser vat i on, 2 r ecr eat e. We woul d t ear t hemal l down and r ecr eat e 3 t hemt o l ook l i ke t hey l ooked by usi ng r ei nf or ced 4 concr et e and havi ng f al se appear ance, whi ch i s not 5 Secr et ar y of I nt er i or st andar ds. 6 Q Okay, so one of these cells is going to be 7 preserved so that it will be publicly accessible and 8 so there will be an historic record, is that correct? 9 A We hope t hat i s cor r ect . Do we pl an t o do 10 t hat ? 11 Q It's possible. 12 A No, no, I ' mnot sayi ng i t i s possi bl e, I 13 t ake gr eat def er ence wi t h t hat . I amver y concer ned 14 t hat i t ' s not possi bl e. I have expr essed t hi s t o t he 15 t eam, t hat I t hi nk we can do our best t o pr eser ve i t . 16 I amnot convi nced t hat i f we act ual l y t r y t o meet 17 al l t he codes t hat we have t o meet , we' r e goi ng t o be 18 abl e t o do i t . I ' mnot convi nced. 19 But I ' mnot t he code exper t , I j ust have a 20 l ot of exper i ence wi t h t hi s ki nd of st uf f , so I ' m 21 j ust t he war ner , I ' mwar ni ng now. Let ' s be car ef ul 22 what we say. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 158 1 Q It is theoretically possible -- 2 A I ' mnot sur e i t i s. 3 Q -- to do -- 4 A I ' mnot sur e i t ' s even t heor et i cal l y 5 possi bl e, I ' mr eal l y not . That ' s how ser i ous t hi s 6 i s. And I ' msor r y, I wi sh I coul d say yes, we' r e 7 goi ng t o have a pur e and per f ect cel l her e f or us t o 8 al l l ook at . 9 But I have been i n many si t uat i ons wher e we 10 t hi nk we' r e goi ng t o be abl e t o do somet hi ng and al l 11 t he exper t s r eal l y t r y t o do i t and t hen i t doesn' t 12 happen and I amdi sappoi nt ed. And I ' mt el l i ng 13 ever yone I expect t o be di sappoi nt ed. 14 Q So you're aware that part of the benefit 15 that has been touted for this project is the 16 preservation of that cell. 17 A Tr ust me - - I t hi nk you' r e conf usi ng what 18 I ' msayi ng. Ever y ef f or t wi l l be made t o pr eser ve 19 t he cel l , but i f t he cel l cannot be pr eser ved, i t 20 can' t be pr eser ved. I mean, yes, we wi l l do out 21 best . I t ' s not goi ng t o be pr eser ved keepi ng i t t he 22 way i t i s, i t ' s goi ng t o event ual l y col l apse. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 159 1 Q So assuming you do the best you can and, 2 you know, the measures that you're going to undertake 3 to reinforce the cell in order to preserve it so that 4 the public can view it are possible, but, you know, 5 is this preservation? 6 A I f we can, i n f act , do t hat , i f we can 7 pr eser ve t hat cel l and we can j ust do some mi nor 8 r epai r so we st i l l have i t s i nt egr i t y, t hat woul d be 9 gr eat , I hope t hat ' s what happens. 10 Q Okay, and if you then went into that cell 11 and you did some more reinforcement so that you could 12 do a modest overbuild, for example -- 13 A No, you' ve al r eady r ei nf or ced i t so you 14 coul d go i nt o i t and t hen you' r e doi ng t he col umns 15 ever y seven f eet t o t he end of t he expanded 16 f oundat i on. You wi l l not exper i ence t he same t hi ng. 17 Q And I understand you would not experience 18 the same thing, but you know, many elements of the 19 integrity of the vault would be still present, isn't 20 that correct? 21 A Some el ement s of i nt egr i t y, but i t woul d 22 not have i t s i nt egr i t y. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 160 1 Q Not the entire -- 2 A I t woul d be so di mi ni shed t hat you woul d 3 have t o have someone expl ai n t o you what you' r e 4 l ooki ng at . 5 I nt egr i t y i mpl i es t hat t he r esour ce can 6 convey i t s si gni f i cance. Wi t h al l of t he r emedi al 7 wor k t hat ' s bei ng pr oposed her e, I doubt t her e ar e 8 many cel l s - - maybe t her e i s a cel l t hat can st i l l 9 have i nt egr i t y, maybe t her e ar e t hr ee or f our 10 i ndi vi dual cel l s wi t hi n t he f i l t er bed. Maybe i t ' s 11 mor e. God wi l l i ng, i t i s mor e. But we have a 12 si t uat i on - - 13 Cel l 14, whi ch was t he pl an of t hi s pr oj ect 14 f r omt he begi nni ng t o save, i s now bei ng used as a 15 wat er r et ent i on pl ant by D. C. Wat er . And t hat ' s 16 goi ng t o happen f or t en year s. Can you t el l us what 17 i t ' s goi ng t o l ook l i ke i n t en year s? 18 Q Are you asking me a question? 19 A Exact l y. You can' t . I t was a r het or i cal 20 quest i on. The poi nt i s t hese ar e st r uct ur es t hat 21 have had - - t hey wer en' t desi gned t o be habi t abl e, 22 t hey wer e desi gned t o do t hat . And when we st ar t t o McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 161 1 make t hemhabi t abl e, al l ki nds of t hi ngs wi l l happen. 2 Q And have you reviewed the drawings that 3 describe the structural reinforcement that would be 4 undertaken as part of, for example, one of these 5 preservation -- 6 A I ' ve r ead Si l man' s r epor t ; t hi s i s t he 7 si mpl i f i cat i on of t hat r epor t . 8 Q But have you actually looked at drawings 9 that actually depict the reinforcements under those 10 scenarios? 11 A Do you mean have t her e been act ual 12 engi neer i ng dr awi ngs? No, not yet . 13 MS. FERSTER: I don' t have any mor e 14 quest i ons. 15 BY MS. MERRI TT: 16 Q I have just a couple of questions. One is 17 just to make sure I understand what you were saying 18 in answer to Andrea's questions. 19 Is it your position that whatever is done 20 to Cell Number 28, if it becomes accessible to the 21 public, would not comply with the Secretary of the 22 Interior's standards? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 162 1 A No, t hat ' s not what I sai d. I sai d we 2 don' t know - - we woul d be appr oachi ng t hi s wi t h t he 3 Secr et ar y of t he I nt er i or ' s st andar ds as t he goal , as 4 we woul d appr oach ever y pr eser vat i on pr oj ect . 5 But what I was sayi ng i s t hat t hi s i s not 6 an easy pr oj ect wher e we can say, Thi s i s t he wal l 7 of a bui l di ng, we know how i t ' s bui l t , we know what 8 we can do, we' ve done i t 50 t i mes bef or e, i t ' s not a 9 pr obl em, i t ' s a no br ai ner . 10 Thi s i s goi ng t o be a di f f i cul t pr oj ect and 11 i f ever yone doesn' t under st and t hat , l et me make t hi s 12 cl ear . Thi s i s a ver y di f f i cul t pr oj ect . And t o do 13 what needs t o be done i s ver y cost l y, i t ' s goi ng t o 14 t ake a l ot of exper t i se and a l ot of car e. And each 15 t i me we go i n, we don' t know what t he condi t i on i s 16 goi ng t o be. Ever y si ngl e t i me, i t coul d be 17 di f f er ent , i t coul d be al l t he same. We don' t know 18 because i t i s a gr eat unknown. 19 No one has been t hr ough ever y si ngl e cel l 20 of t hese 25 acr es of cel l s and ever y day, t hey can be 21 changed. You saw t hat bi g hol e. One day, t hat hol e 22 wasn' t t her e and t hen t he next day, t her e i s t hi s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 163 1 gi ant hol e. 2 And we don' t know, I ' mj ust t r yi ng t o be 3 r eal i st i c her e. Our goal i s t o do i t , we' r e goi ng t o 4 do our best , but no one can say, no one can say - - 5 and Ki r k, you know, wi t h Si l man, has done so many 6 ver y sophi st i cat ed pr oj ect s and he' s war ni ng 7 ever ybody when you r ead t hi s, you know, " These ar e 8 t he consequences. " He' s sayi ng wi t h t he physi cal 9 consequences and I ' msayi ng f r oma pr eser vat i on poi nt 10 of vi ew i s t hat we wi l l do our best t o make sur e we 11 can save as much as possi bl e, we wi l l do our best , 12 but t her e' s no guar ant ee. 13 Q So is it fair to say that you don't know 14 enough now about what kinds of modifications or 15 reinforcements might be necessary to know whether the 16 Secretary's standards -- 17 A We know what t he mi ni mumi s, we don' t know 18 what t he maxi mumi s. 19 Q And do you have any thoughts about whether 20 the minimum would be consistent with the Secretary of 21 the Interior standards, in your view? 22 A Sur e, yes. I f we can use t he mi ni mum, i f McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 164 1 we can act ual l y go i n t her e and we can f i x t hi s one 2 par t wi t hout much ef f or t , i f we know we' r e not goi ng 3 t o be wal ki ng on t hat ar ea, we know how i t ' s goi ng t o 4 be i nt egr at ed i nt o t hi s desi gn, yes. 5 But we j ust don' t know what t he condi t i on 6 i s f or each par t i cul ar pl ace and we wi l l not know 7 unt i l i t ' s act ual l y done. I f we went i n t oday, t hat 8 i sn' t good enough, i t woul d have t o be mor e act ual l y 9 pr oceedi ng. 10 Q I have two more questions. You were asked 11 a couple of questions about why the middle area was 12 not ultimately selected for the location of the park. 13 And my full question is if the middle area were open 14 as a park in between the two service courts, would 15 that go farther to retaining the reciprocal 16 relationship between the service courts within the 17 current plan? 18 A I f t hi s pr oj ect coul d be done by 19 el i mi nat i ng a maj or por t i on of t he devel opment , 20 al l owi ng t hat t o be t her e, t hat woul d be gr eat . But 21 t hi s pr oj ect , as you' ve hear d, i t ' s a bal anci ng act 22 of so many di f f er ent goal s. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 165 1 As a pr eser vat i oni st , i t ' s ver y easy t o say 2 we want t o do t hi s, t hi s and t hi s. But t hen you say, 3 wel l , who' s goi ng t o pay f or t hat , how i s i t goi ng t o 4 be t hat , what ar e we goi ng t o do? 5 And t her e ar e so many goal s t hat t hi s 6 pr oj ect has been goi ng t hr ough si nce 1987 and t hi s, 7 r i ght now, i s t he best bal ance of al l of t hemand 8 get s us so much mor e pr eser vat i on t han any pr evi ous 9 pl an has done. 10 MS. FERSTER: I have a f ol l ow- up. 11 BY MS. FERSTER: 12 Q Based on your answer to that question, I'm 13 just so intrigued by your statement that this is 14 better than any previous preservation plan. Are you 15 familiar with other preservation plans for McMillan, 16 I mean other alternative proposals. 17 A That we have done t hat have been r eal i st i c 18 appr oaches wi t h act ual under st andi ng of what t he 19 cost s and consequences of t hemar e, we have done t hi s 20 si nce 2007 and - - 21 Q Just for VMP, though. 22 A For VMP. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 166 1 Q Oh, I thought you were aware of some other 2 proposals. 3 A I ' mawar e of ot her pr oposal s t hat I do not 4 t hi nk can meet t hose bal ances. 5 Q And are you aware of alternative proposals 6 by other developers? 7 A No. 8 MS. FERSTER: Sor r y t o i nt er r upt you. 9 Thank you, I don' t have an ot her quest i ons. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: I don' t know i f you' r e t he 11 r i ght per son t o ask t hi s, but gi ven your comment s 12 about t he f act t hat t he pr eser vat i on of Cel l 28 may 13 not be f easi bl e goi ng f or war d, i s t her e i n t he 14 appl i cat i on an al t er nat i ve or mi t i gat i on pl an i n case 15 t hat doesn' t wor k? 16 THE WI TNESS: I t hi nk t hat what I ' msayi ng 17 i s t hat i f you' r e l ooki ng at i t f r ompur e 18 pr eser vat i on, t hat usi ng t he Secr et ar y of I nt er i or 19 st andar ds, t hat t hi s may be - - our goal i s t o have i t 20 l ook a cer t ai n way, because t hat wi l l be t he 21 exper i ence t hat peopl e wi l l benef i t f r omt he most . 22 And our goal i s t o pr eser ve as much as possi bl e t o McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 167 1 make sur e we do i t . But j ust ever yone be awar e t hat 2 t hat may t ake a l ot mor e r ecr eat i on t han we woul d 3 want t o do. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: I see. So you' r e not sayi ng 5 t hat you woul d abandon t he i dea - - 6 THE WI TNESS: Cor r ect . 7 J UDGE BYRNE: - - of doi ng Cel l 28, but you 8 mean i t woul d be mor e of a r ecr eat i on. 9 THE WI TNESS: The bal ance, yeah, t he 10 bal ance woul d go t hr ough - - 11 J UDGE BYRNE: Mor e of a r ecr eat i on t han a 12 pr eser vat i on. 13 THE WI TNESS: Ri ght , r i ght . 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, I under st and t hat . So 15 di d you want t o - - 16 MS. BROWN: I have no mor e r edi r ect . We 17 have ot her wi t nesses. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk t hi s mi ght be a good 19 t i me t o t ake a br eak. How l ong do we t hi nk we' l l 20 need, maybe an hour , l ess? Less t han an hour , 45 21 mi nut es? 22 MS. FERSTER: We have a number of our McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 168 1 wi t nesses who ar e under some t i me const r ai nt s and so 2 I guess coul d we j ust get a sense at t hi s poi nt of 3 how much l onger af t er t he br eak your case i s goi ng t o 4 t ake and what t he or der of t he pr oceedi ngs wi l l be? 5 MS. BROWN: Wi t hout cr oss exami nat i on, I 6 woul d say 35 t o 40 mi nut es, but I t hi nk t he cr oss 7 exami nat i on i s t he unknown. 8 J UDGE BYRNE: So i f we' r e comi ng back at 9 1: 35, t hen maybe you' d be done wi t h t hat par t of t he 10 case by 2: 30, even wi t h cr oss exami nat i on? Maybe 11 not . 12 MS. FERSTER: I don' t t hi nk so, because how 13 many wi t nesses have you had so f ar , t hr ee? 14 MS. BROWN: The r emai ni ng wi t nesses - - 15 MS. FERSTER: Thr ee, and i t ' s al r eady 16 t aken - - 17 MS. BROWN: - - ar e Br uce Leonar d, Mat t 18 Bel l , AdamWeer s, J ai r Lynch, Aakash Thekkar and 19 Li ndsl ey Wi l l i ams. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: So si x. 21 MS. FERSTER: Si x. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: So 35 mi nut es sounds McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 169 1 opt i mi st i c. 2 MS. FERSTER: And how l ong do you i nt end t o 3 go f or t oday? 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes, t hat ' s a good quest i on, 5 t oo. I can go unt i l 5: 00. 6 MS. FERSTER: And j ust so I can t el l our 7 wi t nesses - - 8 MS. BROWN: Ther e' s goi ng t o be a 9 cont i nuat i on, essent i al l y. 10 MS. FERSTER: Yes, yes. 11 J UDGE BYRNE: You know, I t hi nk t her e i s 12 si gni f i cant r i sk - - I don' t know how many wi t nesses 13 you' r e pl anni ng t o put on - - 14 MS. FERSTER: We have a number of 15 wi t nesses. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: So I t hi nk i t ' s pr obabl e t hat 17 t her e be a cont i nuat i on. Nobody want s a 18 cont i nuat i on, but - - 19 MS. FERSTER: Maybe we coul d r eassess af t er 20 you f i ni sh your case about whet her or not we want t o 21 br eak up t he opposi t i on case i nt o t wo days, based on 22 t i me or whet her we want t o def er i t al l . Because McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 170 1 t hen I can e- mai l or l et my wi t nesses know we' r e 2 pl anni ng t o show up af t er t he l unch br eak. 3 MS. BROWN: May I ask how many wi t nesses 4 you pl an on pr esent i ng? 5 MS. FERSTER: Yes. Wel l , t he Nat i onal 6 Tr ust has wi t nesses and t hen we have - - yeah, t hey 7 have t wo wi t nesses and we have si x wi t nesses. 8 J UDGE BYRNE: Si x wi t nesses and t her e may 9 wel l j ust be peopl e who ar e her e t o make a st at ement . 10 MS. FERSTER: Yes, t hat ' s our wi t nesses, 11 t hat ' s not - - you know, t hat ' s j ust f or t he par t y. 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Ri ght , so gener al l y, i f 13 peopl e ar e j ust maki ng a st at ement , we t r y t o hol d 14 t hemt o f i ve mi nut es or l ess and t hat can go f ai r l y 15 qui ckl y. And gener al l y, t her e' s not cr oss 16 exami nat i on, i t ' s not necessar y i n t hose cases. 17 So I t hi nk we' l l j ust have t o come back and 18 we' l l f i ni sh t he Appl i cant s' case and j ust sor t of 19 see wher e we ar e. So we' l l commence agai n at 1: 35. 20 ( Wher eupon, at 12: 49 p. m. , a l uncheon 21 r ecess i s t aken. ) 22 - - - McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 171 1 AFTERNOON PROCEEDI NGS 2 ( Wher eupon, at 1: 35 p. m. , t he pr oceedi ng 3 r esumed. ) 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , l adi es and 5 gent l emen, l et ' s st ar t agai n, i t ' s 1: 35. Next 6 wi t ness? 7 MS. BROWN: Yes, our next wi t ness i s Br uce 8 Leonar d, who I ' d l i ke t o have qual i f i ed as an exper t 9 i n r et ai l desi gn wi t h St r eet sense. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay. 11 MS. FERSTER: A qui ck quest i on? 12 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 13 MS. FERSTER: Bef or e you go on, j ust a 14 qui ck quest i on. Wer e you goi ng t o br i ng your 15 st r uct ur al engi neer back t o have t hat cl ar i f i cat i on 16 t oday or at a di f f er ent t i me? 17 MS. BROWN: He' s l ef t f or anot her meet i ng. 18 ( Exhi bi t 3 i s mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on. ) 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Mr . Leonar d i s bei ng of f er ed 20 as an exper t i n r et ai l devel opment ? 21 MS. BROWN: Ret ai l desi gn and devel opment 22 as i t r el at es t o, speci f i cal l y, r euse of t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 172 1 under gr ound cel l s. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Speci f i cal l y t o t he r euse of 3 t he under gr ound cel l s? 4 MS. BROWN: Pot ent i al l y. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Oh, I see. 6 Wher eupon, 7 BRUCE LEONARD 8 havi ng been pr evi ousl y dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 9 f ol l ows: 10 VOI R DI RE EXAMI NATI ON 11 BY MS. FERSTER: 12 Q Just a couple of questions. Mr. Leonard, 13 have you been qualified as an expert in retail design 14 before the Mayor's Agent in the past or any other -- 15 A Not i n t he past , no. 16 Q And can you say a little bit about your 17 educational background, the nature of your degrees? 18 A I have t wo degr ees, I have a degr ee i n 19 ur ban desi gn and mast er pl anni ng and I have a degr ee 20 i n ar chi t ect ur e and I ' mr egi st er ed i n t he Di st r i ct of 21 Col umbi a. 22 Q But you're not seeking to be qualified as McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 173 1 an expert in architecture for this purpose? 2 MS. BROWN: I t ' s r et ai l desi gn, whi ch 3 ent ai l s ar chi t ect ur e. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: So t he desi gn of space f or 5 r et ai l , t hat ' s what t he t opi c i s. 6 MS. BROWN: Yes. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, I see. 8 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 9 Q Will your testimony describe a little bit 10 about your background in designing retail space? 11 A ( Nods i n t he af f i r mat i ve. ) 12 MS. FERSTER: So I ' l l r eser ve my posi t i on 13 on t hi s qual i f i cat i on unt i l af t er I hear a l i t t l e bi t 14 mor e about hi s backgr ound. 15 MS. BROWN: I ' mhappy t o have hi mdescr i be 16 hi s backgr ound r i ght now. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Why don' t we hear mor e about 18 your backgr ound, Mr . Leonar d, so we' l l get t hat 19 r esol ved so we can get t o t he subst ance of your 20 t est i mony? 21 THE WI TNESS: Sur e. I ' ma managi ng 22 pr i nci pal at St r eet sense. St r eet sense i s a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 174 1 mul t i di vi si onal company t hat has exper t i se i n r et ai l 2 and mi xed use. We have 105 empl oyees. 3 I ' ve been r egi st er ed about 25 year s, been 4 i n pr act i ce al most 30 year s. I ' ve been wor ki ng on 5 pr obabl y f i ve of t he t op t en mi xed use pr oj ect s i n 6 t he count r y and have, you know, j ust a br eadt h of 7 knowl edge about i nt egr at i ng mi xed use and desi gni ng 8 ef f ect i ve gr ound pl ans and st or es. 9 So we wor k on hundr eds of pr oj ect s a year 10 and r i ght now, we have about 245 pr oj ect s act i ve i n 11 our of f i ce. 12 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 13 BY MS. BROWN: 14 Q And Mr. Leonard, do you have specific 15 information on how retail succeeds and what makes it 16 fail -- 17 A Yes. 18 Q -- and how you design around that to make 19 sure that it can succeed? 20 A Yes. 21 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, ver y good, pl ease 22 pr oceed. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 175 1 THE WI TNESS: Okay, f i r st sl i de. So what 2 I ' d l i ke t o do f i r st , bef or e we get i nt o t he cel l s, 3 i s r eal l y j ust t al k about good commer ci al 4 f undament al s f or bot h r et ai l and ot her commer ci al 5 r equi r ement s. 6 They' r e r eal l y i mpor t ant because 7 essent i al l y, t hey hel p est abl i sh val ue t o t he t enant 8 user . And nor mal l y, whet her i t ' s a r et ai l t enant , 9 of f i ce t enant or ot her commer ci al user , t hey have a 10 ser i es of cr i t er i a t hat need t o be mat ched. And when 11 you st op mat chi ng t hose cr i t er i a or checki ng t he 12 boxes, as we used t o say, t hey st ar t t o l ose i nt er est 13 i n t he si t e, you' r e st ar t i ng t o cr eat e bar r i er s f or 14 ent r y and r educi ng t he val ue and oppor t uni t y of t he 15 r eal est at e. 16 So we have a whol e di vi si on t hat f ocuses 17 excl usi vel y on doi ng what we cal l r et ai l peer r evi ews 18 and eval uat i on of space f or our cl i ent s, so t hat when 19 t hei r pr oj ect s ar e compl et e, t hey' r e f ul l y l easabl e 20 and t hey can get t he hi ghest and best t enant s t o 21 occupy t hei r pr oj ect . 22 So gener al l y, t hi s i s ki nd of a pr i mer . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 176 1 Ret ai l er s l ook f or an 18- f oot f l oor t o f l oor hei ght s, 2 t ypi cal l y, as t he i ndust r y st andar d. 16 mi ni mumf eet 3 cl ear i s pr ef er r ed. So t hat ' s ki nd of a gener al . 4 Wi l l t hey t ake l ower space? Yes, but usual l y, i t ' s 5 l ess appeal i ng t o t hem. 6 Of f i ce, whi ch i s pr et t y st andar d i n t he 7 Di st r i ct , 12- f oot f l oor t o f l oor , ni ne f eet mi ni mum 8 cl ear . Col umn spaci ng i n r et ai l - - i n a smal l shop 9 r et ai l , i t ' s got t o be gr eat er t han 20 f eet . For 10 l ar ge f or mat r et ai l er s, l i ke a Tar get or a gr ocer y 11 st or e, 30 f eet on cent er i s pr ef er r ed. 12 So t hey l i ke spaci ous col umn spaci ng, so as 13 you can see i n t he t op sl i de, you know, t he mer chant s 14 can ki nd of di spl ay t hei r war es. Ther e you see t hese 15 l ar ge expanses. They l i ke hi gh vi si bi l i t y and ease 16 of access. 17 Basi cal l y, on speci al t y mer chant s, t hey 18 l i ke t he cust omer t o be abl e t o see, have a l ot of 19 t r anspar ency, see t he mer chandi se, be abl e t o ki nd of 20 make deci si ons about what t hey want t o see and t ouch 21 and t hat sor t of f aci l i t at es t he act of shoppi ng. 22 When i t st ar t s t o get compr essed, consumer s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 177 1 can' t see t he mer chandi se, of t en mi ss i t or st ar t t o 2 check out ment al l y and t hen l eave t he st or e. So t hey 3 r eal l y f ocus on havi ng an expansi ve f l oor pl an. 4 Gr ound l evel r et ai l , t ypi cal l y, i s r eal l y 5 pr ef er r ed by our cl i ent s. So once we st ar t 6 suggest i ng t hey go bel ow gr ade or above gr ade, 7 usual l y, we see a r ent r educt i on of about t wo- t hi r ds. 8 So i f i t ' s a $60. 00 r ent we' r e aski ng on H St r eet or 9 14t h St r eet , i f t hey' r e i n t he basement , you' l l be 10 l ucky t o get 20. And t hat ' s because i t does af f ect 11 t hei r oper at i ons and usual l y, t he qual i t y of t hat 12 space i s di mi ni shed. 13 They have bot h, whet her of f i ce or 14 par t i cul ar l y r et ai l and r est aur ant s, t hey have heavy 15 MEP r equi r ement s and hi gh t onnage demand f or cool i ng. 16 Rest aur ant s can get as l ow as one t on per hundr ed 17 squar e f eet and I ' ve seen, not i n t hi s mar ket , i t get 18 as l ow as one t on per 75 squar e f eet . So t hat 19 gener at es t he need f or heavy cool i ng equi pment , whi ch 20 can be ver y cumber some. A 30- t on uni t i s about t he 21 si ze of a smal l semi , so you can i magi ne when you 22 st ar t t o ext r apol at e t hat . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 178 1 Anchor st or es l i ke t o be wel l l i ght ed and 2 have spaci ous shel vi ng f or mer chandi se. Agai n, 3 t hat ' s ki nd of obvi ous, but t hey l i ke t he mer chandi se 4 t o be wel l di spl ayed and cl ear and t hey want ease of 5 use and ci r cul at i on by t he cust omer . 6 And t hen of f i ce spaces, t oo, t oday, i f you 7 l ook at what ' s cur r ent , i s t hey l i ke ampl e nat ur al 8 l i ght and spaci ous col umn spaci ng. So i f you' r e 9 desi gni ng a bui l di ng downt own, t he i ndust r y st andar d 10 i s 45 f eet cl ear f r omt he bor der wal l t o t he 11 per i met er and t hey l i ke t o spr ead out t he col umns as 12 wi de as possi bl e, i f not el i mi nat i ng t hemal t oget her . 13 So when we st ar t t o l ook at t he under gr ound 14 cel l s - - and a l ot of t hi s has been descr i bed bef or e, 15 but I ' l l j ust r epeat i t - - r i ght now, t hat col umn 16 space i s 14 f oot on cent er . For commer ci al pur poses, 17 t hi s i s ext r emel y t i ght and mar gi nal , so i n t he 18 cr i t er i a of checki ng a box, t hi s woul d be a r ed f l ag 19 t o most nat i onal br ands and i t woul d be al most a 20 nonst ar t er f or anchor user s because t hey woul dn' t be 21 abl e t o get t hei r shel vi ng i n any ef f i ci ency. 22 The l ow cei l i ng hei ght i s wel l bel ow what ' s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 179 1 consi der ed a good t hr eshol d f or r et ai l . And even i n 2 r est aur ant s, t hey pr ef er hi gh cei l i ngs because 3 t hey' r e t r yi ng t o - - t he di ni ng exper i ence i s about 4 cr eat i ng an exper i ence and at mospher e. And i f you 5 t hi nk about t he r est aur ant s you l i ke t o eat i n, you 6 can ki nd of , i n your mi nd' s eye, ki nd of vi sual i ze 7 what t hey' r e l i ke. And most of t en t han not , t hey' ve 8 got hi gh, expansi ve cei l i ngs and l ot s of r omant i c 9 l i ght i ng. 10 The same t hi ng wi t h speci al t y r et ai l er s. 11 Real l y, i t ' s t he col umn spaci ng i s a nonst ar t er f or 12 t hembecause i t doesn' t al l ow t hemt o ef f ect i vel y 13 di spl ay t hei r war es. 14 Li mi t ed accessi bi l i t y. We di d an 15 eval uat i on of Cel l 14 and t her e' s qui t e a l ot of 16 chal l enges t o get t i ng ADA access and ser vi ci ng and 17 l oadi ng t o i t . I t ' s achi evabl e, but i t r equi r es 18 ext r aor di nar y ef f or t s t o do t hat . 19 And we haven' t even del ved i nt o t he 20 occupancy r equi r ement s, egr ess, st ai r s, al l t hose 21 component s, whi ch wi l l be consi der abl e when you 22 consi der f or somet hi ng l i ke a mar ket use, i t woul d be McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 180 1 assembl y and i t woul d di ct at e, you know, pr et t y 2 ser i ous l i f e saf et y r equi r ement s on egr ess. 3 And t hen agai n, t he MEP chal l enges, you can 4 see f r omt he space, wi t h t he t i ght col umn spaci ng and 5 t he compr essed - - you know, t ypi cal l y, you need about 6 t wo f eet , mi ni mumt o r un duct wor k and el ect r i cal 7 chaser s and t hi ngs l i ke t hat and l i ght i ng. You' r e 8 r eal l y get t i ng l ow i n t hese cel l s f or any ki nd of 9 commer ci al use. 10 I f you put t he duct wor k i n t he sl ab or 11 bel ow t he sl ab - - and I ' l l l eave t hat t o t he 12 st r uct ur al engi neer - - but gi ven t he l oadi ng nat ur e 13 of t hi s, you coul d be cr eat i ng some ser i ous i ssues i n 14 under mi ni ng t he st r uct ur al i nt egr i t y of t he sl ab. 15 They can be over come. I ' mj ust sayi ng t hese ar e 16 si gni f i cant chal l enges t o t he t enant goi ng i n her e. 17 So ki nd of t o sumup, some of t hi s has been 18 sai d. I mean one of t he i ssues we have and we' l l be 19 wr est i ng wi t h i s, you know, t hese wer e r eal l y not 20 desi gned f or human habi t at i on, i t ' s ki nd of uni que 21 t hat way i n t hat , you know, i t ' s a sand f i l t r at i on 22 bed. So t r yi ng t o occupy i t , you know, i t never was McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 181 1 i nt ended f or human use. 2 The unr ei nf or ced concr et e i s not per mi t t ed 3 by code t oday and i t ' s hi ghl y unst abl e, so we' r e 4 goi ng t o have t o over come some ser i ous l i f e saf et y 5 i ssues as we st ar t t o occupy t hese spaces. They' r e 6 si gni f i cant and t o a cer t ai n ext ent i n my mi nd, 7 unknown, i n t er ms of what t he r ami f i cat i ons r eal l y 8 wi l l be. 9 They have no l i ght and l i mi t ed ai r , whi ch 10 f r omour st andpoi nt , on ot her commer ci al uses ot her 11 t han r et ai l , you st ar t t o l i mi t t he opt i ons. Because 12 you know, whet her you' r e a of f i ce space or a mar ket 13 hal l , you know, t he need f or nat ur al l i ght I t hi nk i s 14 i ncr edi bl y i mpor t ant . How we r esol ve t hat i s goi ng 15 t o be a si gni f i cant i ssue f or us. 16 The ADA access, agai n, i s ext r emel y 17 chal l engi ng. I t hi nk i t ' s r esol vabl e, but i t ' s goi ng 18 t o r equi r e ext r aor di nar y ef f or t s t o get peopl e i n 19 wheel chai r s and wi t h, you know, mot or di sabi l i t i es t o 20 access t he space. 21 The f act t hat t hey don' t suppor t 22 const r uct i on above f or cool i ng equi pment , any of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 182 1 t hose t ypes of t hi ngs, t hat ' s goi ng t o be a chal l enge 2 f or us. 3 And t hen, you know, t he f act t hat t he cel l 4 i nt egr i t y, as t he st r uct ur al engi neer out l i ned, you 5 know, j ust f r omour st andpoi nt , l ooki ng at i t f r oma 6 r et ai l er or of f i ce eyes, i t ' s pr esent i ng a l ot of 7 chal l enges and unknowns, whi ch i s a r i sk f or anybody 8 t hat ' s at t empt i ng t o occupy t he space. 9 So j ust some f i nal t hought s. You know, t o 10 me, t hi s i s not a r egi onal si t e. I f you add up al l 11 t he cel l s, t her e' s about 870, 000 squar e f eet , whi ch 12 woul d be def i ni t el y a r egi onal use f or any commer ci al 13 act i vi t y. I mean t he densi t y t hat t he si t e coul d 14 suppor t i s not even cl ose t o t hat . I t hi nk i t r eal l y 15 want s t o t r ade t o t he l ocal nei ghbor hood and ser ve 16 t he l ocal nei ghbor hood. 17 And t he si t e gener al l y l acks cl ose 18 pr oxi mi t y t o Met r o, so f r oman of f i ce st andpoi nt and 19 r et ai l , you' r e not r el yi ng on t hat Met r o t r af f i c, per 20 se. You know, t he r et ai l er who wi l l l ook at t hi s 21 si t e i s r eal l y havi ng t o st and on i t s own and ser ve 22 t he l ocal communi t y. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 183 1 The r et ai l t enant demand i s, agai n, 2 sust ai nabl e at a nei ghbor hood densi t y, whi ch I t hi nk 3 t he t ar get ment i oned of 80 t o 100, 000 f eet i s 4 appr opr i at e f or t hi s si t e and I t hi nk anyt hi ng above 5 t hat woul d be ver y aggr essi ve. And when you get 6 aggr essi ve, what you do i s you st ar t t o r un out of 7 t he best and hi ghest t enant s and you st ar t t o r un 8 i nt o t he mor e mar gi nal t enant s, whi ch af f ect s t he 9 t enancy, and you' r e sor t of sear chi ng t o f i l l sl ot s 10 and i t degr ades t he pr oj ect . So I t hi nk we t r y t o 11 f i nd t hat bal ance of what t he r eal mar ket can 12 suppor t . 13 And t hen t he si gni f i cant desi gn and cost 14 chal l enges, I mean we t hi nk, you know, i n Cel l 14, 15 we' r e goi ng t o gi ve a r eal l y good ef f or t t o get some 16 out st andi ng user s i n t her e, but i t ' s a r eal l y 17 r est r i ct ed suppl y of t enant s t hat we can put i n 18 t her e. I t ' s goi ng t o be a l ot of chal l enges and 19 sal es wor k t o convi nce t hemt o go i nt o t he space and 20 you know, i t ' s not goi ng t o be an easy and 21 st r ai ght f or war d ef f or t . 22 And I t hi nk f r omour st andpoi nt , t oo, and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 184 1 we do t hi s on our l easi ng si de - - get t i ng t he t enant 2 i n t her e, t o me, i s one t hi ng. But get t i ng t hemt o 3 have a sust ai nabl e busi ness wher e t hey' r e doi ng 4 enough sal es per squar e f oot t o pay some ki nd of r ent 5 and oper at i onal cost s and pay t hei r st af f i s anot her 6 t hi ng. 7 So we r eal l y have t o be di l i gent i n maki ng 8 sur e what ever uses we put i n t her e can r eal l y sust ai n 9 t hemsel ves i n a r eal i st i c way. Ot her wi se, we' r e j ust 10 goi ng t o put t hemi n at cost and t hen t hey' l l be 11 vacant i n t hr ee mont hs when t hey' r e not per f or mi ng. 12 So as we go t hr ough t hi s exer ci se, we' r e 13 goi ng t o have t o put a l ot of at t ent i on t o r eal l y 14 put t i ng i n t he r i ght uses, whi ch ar e ext r emel y 15 l i mi t ed and maki ng sur e t hat t hei r busi ness can be 16 sust ai nabl e at t he bel ow gr ade envi r onment . 17 That concl udes my pr esent at i on. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you have anyt hi ng? 19 MS. BROWN: J ust a coupl e of qui ck 20 quest i ons. 21 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 22 Q So you focused on Cell 14 as the potential McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 185 1 retail use. If you had to try to do that for any 2 other cells, what kind of challenges would you face, 3 or multiple cells? 4 A Wel l , t he one t hi ng t hat woul d come t o my 5 mi nd i s, you know, t her e' s a l i mi t ed amount of 6 qual i f i ed user s. And t he ot her t hi ng i s what t he 7 col umn spaci ng says t o me and t he scal e of t he space 8 i s i t ' s best sui t ed f or smal l scal e user s. That 9 woul d be a smal l r est aur ant , a smal l nei ghbor hood 10 ser vi ce ki nd of - - maybe a sal on, somet hi ng l i ke 11 t hat . Those don' t have a l ot of squar e f oot age and 12 when each cel l i s 40, 000 f eet , t hat ' s t he si ze of 13 al most a pr et t y bi g gr ocer . 14 So t he chal l enge we have of expandi ng t he 15 cel l s f r oma commer ci al st andpoi nt i s t he cel l s 16 ar en' t set up f or t he bi gger f or mat user s whi ch wi l l 17 al l ow you t o el evat e t hat pr oj ect ' s squar e f oot age. 18 So we r eal l y ar e l i mi t ed t o a much mor e f i ne gr ai ned 19 appr oach t o t he t enant mi x t hat I t hi nk i s best 20 sui t ed, whi ch i s l i mi t ed. 21 I j ust t hi nk I r eal l y per cei ve t he si t e as 22 ki nd of a nei ghbor hood scal e, wher e t he peopl e t hat McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 186 1 l i ve and shop ar ound i t ar e f r equent i ng i t , you' r e 2 not get t i ng peopl e f r omf i ve mi l es away and ot her 3 sect i ons of t he ci t y comi ng her e, i t ' s goi ng t o be 4 t r adi ng much mor e l ocal l y. 5 Q Thank you. You referred to means of 6 egress. Because this only has one way in, could you 7 explain what that one way and out -- 8 A Wel l , t he one way i n i s not r eal l y usabl e. 9 I t was desi gned f or an i ndust r i al use t o get l ar ge, 10 heavy l oads of sand and car t s, pr obabl y when t hey 11 wer e haul i ng t he sand out . 12 Q That's that filter bed door? 13 A Yes, so I don' t know what t he sl ope i s on 14 t hat , but i t ' s def i ni t el y above ADA st andar ds, i t ' s 15 qui t e pr eci pi t ous. So what we have t o do i s, you 16 know, when you go back t o t he sect i on, you' l l see 17 t hat t o get an ADA r amp, whi ch i s somet hi ng ver y 18 shal l ow, I t hi nk we est i mat ed i t was about a hundr ed 19 f eet t o 200 f eet a r un bef or e we coul d get - - because 20 you can' t j ust go st r ai ght down, you' ve got t o l and 21 i t f or a bi t t o get i t , but i t ' s a l ot of di st ance t o 22 get somebody down. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 187 1 We coul d add an el evat or cor e, but t hen 2 we' d have t o r ei nf or ce al l t he cel l s. That mi ght be 3 anot her al t er nat i ve. But t hen how does t hat 4 i nt er f ace, you know, wi t h t hi s and you know, how i s 5 t hat al l f unct i oni ng. 6 And t hen we haven' t even r eal l y exami ned, 7 as I sai d, how you get peopl e out . So 20, 000 peopl e 8 of assembl ed use coul d be qui t e a f ew peopl e, say i f 9 you t r i ed a mar ket hal l . So t hi s woul d be f our or 10 f i ve st ai r ways out of her e t o meet t he l i f e saf et y 11 code, t hat ' s somet hi ng, and wher e t hey' r e comi ng up 12 f r omt he st r eet , how t hat get s t r eat ed. 13 And t hen l i ke I sai d, f or me, how we' r e 14 handl i ng t he heat i ng and cool i ng equi pment f or t hi s 15 f aci l i t y i s goi ng t o be a pr obl emt o sol ve and i t ' s 16 not goi ng t o be i nsi gni f i cant equi pment , i t ' s goi ng 17 t o be subst ant i al . 18 Q One final question. Are you familiar with 19 the Dupont Circle Underground and if you are, do you 20 think there are any parallels to the difficulties? 21 A Yeah, I t hi nk t hat ' s a r eal l y good exampl e. 22 I n f act , you know, I ' ve pr act i ced i n t he Di st r i ct McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 188 1 f or al most 30 year s and I t hi nk t he t hr ee compani es 2 t hat have been consul t ed t o see i f t hey coul d sol ve 3 t he pr obl em, most r ecent l y St r eet sense, br oker s 4 t our ed i t l ast year , i nt er nal l y, I mean t hey' r e j ust 5 not i nt er est ed i n t he ext er i or . 6 And br oker s, i f you under st and t hem, 7 t hey' r e sel f - empl oyed, t hey onl y ear n t he deal s t hat 8 t hey cl ose, so t hey' r e ver y f ocused on t hi ngs t hat 9 ar e achi evabl e and t hey don' t l i ke t o wast e t hei r 10 t i me on deal s t hat r eal l y won' t bear f r ui t . We had 11 15 br oker s t hat had zer o i nt er est i n t he pr oj ect at 12 al l . I t ' s ext r emel y chal l engi ng f or t he r easons I 13 out l i ned f or t he r et ai l t enant s. 14 One t hi ng I ' l l add i s a bi g t hi ng we' ve 15 seen si nce t he l at e - - when you' r e t al ki ng about 16 nat i onal r et ai l br ands i s we' ve done over 500 17 St ar bucks i n t he r egi on. I n t he heyday, we wer e 18 doi ng 52 a year as our r ecor d. And t he manager was a 19 woman f or St ar bucks, she bl ew f i ve l ocat i ons. She 20 was f i ne, she had 45 deal s t o show t he commi t t ee t hat 21 she had done a gr eat j ob. She' s doi ng t hr ee t hi s 22 year . So i f she bl ows a l ocat i on, her j ob' s on t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 189 1 l i ne. 2 So what you' r e seei ng - - and t hat ' s why 3 we' r e spendi ng so much t i me wi t h r esi dent i al and 4 of f i ce devel oper s, get t i ng t he f undament al s r i ght . 5 Because i f your cei l i ng t ype i s not r i ght or you' r e 6 not get t i ng t he r i ght st or ef r ont or t hey don' t l i ke 7 t he HVAC r equi r ement s, t hey' r e passi ng on t he si t e. 8 They' r e not goi ng t o put t hei r j obs on t he l i ne t o 9 t ake a r i sk. And t hat ' s St ar bucks as an exampl e, but 10 you coul d go down t he l i st of nat i onal br ands and 11 t hey' r e al l t he same. So r eal est at e t oday i n t he 12 nat i onal mar ket s get s a t r emendous amount of 13 scr ut i ny. 14 MS. BROWN: Thank you, t hat ' s al l I have. 15 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Ms. Fer st er ? 16 MS. FERSTER: Thank you. 17 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 18 BY MS. FERSTER: 19 Q So in your experience in doing this design 20 and execution of mixed use projects, have you been 21 involved in projects that involve the adaptive reuse 22 of historic buildings or structures to small scale McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 190 1 uses? 2 A Yes. 3 Q And would you agree that most historic 4 structures, at least many historic structures, would 5 not satisfy the specifications that you outlined that 6 a large retailer or big box store would require, is 7 that correct? 8 A Wel l , I ' l l gi ve you an exampl e of one I 9 di d. I di d a bui l di ng year s ago i n t he meat packi ng 10 di st r i ct , whi ch was an ol d war ehouse. Or i gi nal l y, i t 11 was a meat packi ng pl ace wher e t hey sl aught er ed al l 12 t he meat whi ch came i n f r omNew Yor k. 13 And basi cal l y, we wer e abl e t o conver t t hat 14 i nt o ef f ect i ve r et ai l space because f or t unat el y, i n 15 t hat bui l di ng, we di d have 18 - - i t was desi gned as a 16 f act or y, so i t had ver y spaci ous hei ght s and we wer e 17 abl e t o ef f ect i vel y r euse i t . 18 I mean i t was a bui l di ng t hat was desi gned, 19 i t al ways had humans wor ki ng i n i t wor ki ng, so i t was 20 f ai r l y st r ai ght f or war d, so i t was a commer ci al 21 bui l di ng. So i t was l i ke conver t i ng a ki nd of 22 f act or y t o - - and I ' ve had success conver t i ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 191 1 i nvest or bui l di ngs t o apar t ment l ot s, t hi ngs l i ke 2 t hat . 3 Ot her bui l di ngs, you know, somet i mes i t i s 4 a chal l enge and when i t ' s a chal l enge, we f eel 5 somet i mes i t ' s not an opt i on, you know, and somet i mes 6 you j ust have t o say t hat . 7 Q And in terms of the smaller buildings, for 8 example, historic buildings on a main street that 9 might date to the 1800s that don't have the kind of 10 vertical ceiling, with the other kind of requirements 11 that you -- 12 A Yes. 13 Q -- laid out for the larger retailers, 14 wouldn't you agree that many of these historic 15 buildings have, nonetheless, been successfully 16 adapted for retail use, perhaps not by big box 17 stores, but by other users? 18 A Smal l user s wi l l f i t . I ' l l gi ve you an 19 exampl e. Cl evel and Par k, i f you know t hat bui l di ng 20 t hat ' s on t he west si de of Connect i cut , when you come 21 r i ght out of t he Met r o - - so when I was wi t h 22 St ar wood, we devel oped t hat . And i t had ni ne- f oot McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 192 1 cei l i ngs and mar gi nal t enant s t hat wer e bar el y 2 get t i ng by. 3 And what we ended up doi ng was t aki ng t he 4 second f l oor out of t hat space and cr eat i ng t hi s 5 l ar ge space and we wer e abl e t o t ot al l y r et ai n t he 6 bui l di ng and upgr ade t he r est aur ant si gni f i cant l y. 7 And we put a hai r sal on i n t her e and some ot her 8 speci al t y user s, t ot al l y wer e abl e t o upgr ade t he 9 t enant mi x. But i t di d r equi r e i nt er vent i on on t he 10 cei l i ng hei ght s, t hey never woul d have gone i n, 11 ot her wi se. But t o answer your quest i on, smal l er 12 bui l di ngs l end t hemsel ves t o smal l er t enant s, ver y 13 much so. 14 Q And have you been involved in the adaptive 15 reuse of what we might call unusual structures? And 16 I'm thinking particularly of things like the Viaduc 17 des Arts in Paris. I don't know if you're familiar 18 with that, which is an elevated earth, you know, 19 stone embankment, a rail line that's elevated in 20 Paris, where they've actually carved out retail 21 spaces in that embankment. 22 Are you familiar with any of those sorts of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 193 1 creative, adaptive reuse projects where these unusual 2 structures have been adapted for retail uses? 3 A Not hi ng t hat unusual . I ' ve seen exampl es 4 of ol d i ndust r i al bui l di ngs, l i ke Gr anvi l l e I sl and i n 5 Vancouver t hat got conver t ed. 6 J UDGE BYRNE: Gr anvi l l e I sl and? 7 THE WI TNESS: Yes, Gr anvi l l e I sl and. I 8 went t o school t her e i n ' 87 and i t ' s st i l l a vi abl e 9 mar ket t oday, i t st i l l t hr i ves. 10 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 11 Q And just to be clear, your testimony -- I 12 didn't hear you say that it was impossible to 13 adaptively reuse these underground cells, for example 14 for small scale users. You just said that there are 15 difficulties, is that correct? 16 A Yes, and I ' d say t her e' s a l i mi t ed suppl y 17 of t enant s t hat coul d f i l l . So one i s a t echni cal 18 pr obl emof adapt i ng t he space; t he ot her , t o me, i s a 19 mar ket demand. Ther e' s j ust a l i mi t ed pool of vi abl e 20 user s t hat coul d even at t empt i t . And i t ' s smal l . 21 And when you' r e gi ven t he squar e f oot age of 870, 000 22 squar e f eet of cel l s, I mean you' r e not - - you have McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 194 1 l i ke one per cent you coul d pr obabl y occupy. 2 Q And if one had a very special place that 3 one was really trying to adaptively reuse that for a 4 small scale user, how would one go about soliciting 5 those special users who would be interested in having 6 their business in a historic structure? Would you do 7 an RFP? How would you go about that? 8 A Fi r st , we' d pr obabl y i nt er nal l y t r y t o 9 t hi nk of what - - because you know, we deal wi t h 10 hundr eds of t enant s a year i n di f f er ent f or mat s. I 11 woul d t r y t o t hi nk of what user s we f eel i n our 12 pr of essi onal opi ni ons woul d make sense. And we woul d 13 pr obabl y get a st or y t el l i ng package t oget her and go 14 out and t r y t o engage i nt er est and I t hi nk i t woul d 15 be a heck of a sal es j ob. 16 We' d al so be concer ned about t he 17 sust ai nabi l i t y and we' d have t o do a l ot of due 18 di l i gence t o make sur e - - l i ke I sai d, i t ' s one t hi ng 19 t o get a t enant i n t he space; i t ' s anot her t hi ng t o 20 keep t hemi n busi ness. You know, we' r e r epr esent i ng 21 t he t enant , we have t hei r i nt er est at hear t , and we 22 don' t want t o j ust get t he commi ssi on. We want t o McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 195 1 make sur e t hat we t hi nk t hey can be successf ul t her e. 2 Q And do you know whether there are firms 3 that do this kind of retail design that specialize 4 specifically in the small scale users and, you know, 5 unusual spaces? 6 A Wel l , we do hundr eds of st or es a year al l 7 over t he ci t y. I f you go on H St r eet , pr obabl y most 8 of t hose r est aur ant s, or down 14t h St r eet . So we do 9 do r eal l y cool , hi gh end desi gn i n f unky spaces, but 10 usual l y, t hey' r e at gr ade and t hey' r e i n cohesi ve 11 envi r onment s. Thi s i s not t hat case. 12 I t hi nk ever ybody sai d t hi s i s a r eal l y 13 uni que si t e wi t h uni que i ssues. I t ' s a pr obl emt o be 14 sol ved t hat hasn' t been sol ved many t i mes and i t ' s 15 got a l ot of chal l enges. 16 Q So if this were your project and you were 17 specifically told that you wanted to solicit tenants 18 for this unique space, one of the things you 19 mentioned is you'd go out with a story board. And 20 then what are some of the other things that you would 21 do to identity these unusual or unique small scale 22 users who might be interested in a space that didn't McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 196 1 meet big box retail specs? 2 A Wel l , t o me, si nce i t ' s goi ng t o t r ade at 3 t he nei ghbor hood l evel , i t woul d have t o be r el evant 4 t o t he nei ghbor hood. So you know, say i t was an ar ea 5 t hat - - I ' mgoi ng t o t ake t hi s ar ea out her e. Say I 6 had a pr obl emsol ver and t he demogr aphi c was aver age 7 househol d i ncome of 45, 000, you know, dol l ar s, so t he 8 househol d made - - I woul dn' t go out and t r y t o f i nd 9 Ti f f any' s because t hat ' s not goi ng t o be r el evant , 10 r i ght ? 11 Q Mm-hmm. 12 A So i t ' s f i ndi ng t hat mi x t hat can ser ve t he 13 l ocal mar ket t hat makes sense i s how you appr oach i t 14 because i t ' s goi ng t o be t r adi ng - - peopl e ar e goi ng 15 t o be wal ki ng t o t he si t e or dr i vi ng ver y shor t 16 di st ances, t hat ' s who' s goi ng t o pat r oni ze t hi s si t e 17 and make i t vi abl e. So I woul d be t r yi ng any vi abl e 18 t enant mi x, maki ng sur e t hat i t r esonat ed t o t he 19 l ocal mar ket , number one. 20 Q But you've never been asked to do that? 21 A Uh- uh ( shakes head i n t he negat i ve) . 22 MS. FERSTER: That ' s al l I have. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 197 1 MS. MERRI TT: I have j ust one quest i on. 2 BY MS. MERRI TT: 3 Q Can you give us a sense of some of the 4 special challenges and problems and issues involved 5 in trying to attract a grocery store to this site, is 6 that within your area of expertise? 7 A Somewhat . I woul d say, l i ke I sai d - - 8 MS. BROWN: I ' mgoi ng t o obj ect because 9 t hat r eal l y wasn' t hi s scope of hi s t est i mony, about 10 a gr ocer y st or e user her e, i t was r eal l y j ust about 11 r et ai l and - - 12 MS. FERSTER: You' l l have anot her wi t ness 13 on t hat , r i ght ? 14 MS. BROWN: On t he gr ocer y st or e? 15 MS. FERSTER: Yes. 16 MS. BROWN: Ri ght . 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Mr . Leonar d, t hank you 18 ver y much. 19 THE WI TNESS: Gr eat , t hank you. 20 MS. BROWN: Our next wi t ness i s Mat t Bel l , 21 a mast er pl anner and ar chi t ect f or t hi s, and I ' ml i ke 22 hi mqual i f i ed as an exper t i n ar chi t ect ur e and mast er McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 198 1 pl anni ng. And I have hi s r esum i n my st ack her e. 2 ( Exhi bi t 4 i s mar ked f or 3 i dent i f i cat i on. ) 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. 5 Wher eupon, 6 MATTHEWJ . BELL 7 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 8 f ol l ows: 9 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 10 BY MS. BROWN: 11 Q Mr. Bell, have you testified before other 12 D.C. agencies as an expert in architecture and master 13 planning? 14 A Yes, I have. 15 Q Could you name a couple of them for the 16 zoning commission? 17 A Yes, BZA, Zoni ng Commi ssi on and HPRB, I 18 qual i f i ed f or al l t hr ee of t hose. 19 MS. FERSTER: No obj ect i on. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , we wi l l qual i f y 21 you as an exper t i n si t e pl anni ng and ar chi t ect ur e. 22 Good, t hank you. So pl ease pr oceed. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 199 1 THE WI TNESS: Wel l , good af t er noon. My j ob 2 t oday i s t o wal k you t hr ough t he mast er pl an and t o 3 t al k about t he way i n whi ch we have pr ovi ded an 4 exci t i ng synt hesi s of devel opment and pr eser vat i on of 5 open space f or t hi s pr oj ect . 6 I n t he end of t he day, when t hi s pr oj ect i s 7 bui l t , t hr ough our mast er pl an, peopl e wi l l know i t ' s 8 McMi l l an. They wi l l al ways know i t ' s McMi l l an 9 because of t he speci al f eat ur es and t he car ef ul 10 i nt egr at i on of t hose t hr ee el ement s i nt o t he pl an. 11 What I ' d l i ke t o do f i r st i s t o wal k you 12 t hr ough how we got t her e and t al k a l i t t l e bi t about 13 some of t he i ssues r el at i ve t o t he si t e and t hen t al k 14 about some of t he t hi ngs t hat we wor ked t hr ough wi t h 15 t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d and t he Zoni ng 16 Commi ssi on and some of t he t hi ngs t hat t hat means f or 17 us movi ng f or war d. 18 So Emi l y has t al ked about t he si t e' s 19 char act er i st i cs of t he 25 acr es, par t of t he 92- acr e 20 l andmar k. And Ki r k Met t amand Br uce have t al ked 21 about some of t he i ssues r el at ed t o bot h t he 22 st r uct ur e and t he vi abi l i t y of r et ai l on t he si t e and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 200 1 some of t he chal l enges t her e. 2 I t ' s my j ob as a mast er pl anner t o br i ng 3 t he const r ai nt s t o bear on t he si t e i n a cr eat i ve 4 way, i n a way t hat deal s wi t h maki ng a gr eat pl ace 5 f or t he ci t i zens of t hi s ci t y and t he nei ghbor hood, 6 i n a way t hat makes a vi abl e devel opment pr ogr amso 7 we can have t he act i vi t y and t he vi t al i t y t hat we al l 8 l ove i n gr eat pl aces and gr eat nei ghbor hoods. 9 And t he way t o addr ess speci f i cal l y t hi s 10 cont ext , such t hat t he mast er pl an f or t hi s si t e not 11 onl y embr aces t he l andmar k and t akes t he best aspect s 12 of t he char act er i st i cs of t he l andmar k, but al so 13 t akes t he best aspect s and char act er i st i cs of t he 14 cont ext , whi ch i s di f f er ent on al l f our si des. 15 On t he east si de, we have St r onghol d, whi ch 16 i s a smal l t ownhouse nei ghbor hood and t he Gl enwood 17 Cemet er y and f ur t her af i el d, Tr i ni t y and Cat hol i c 18 Uni ver si t i es. On t he sout h, we have t he Vi ct or i an 19 r owhouse nei ghbor hood of Bl oomi ngdal e. On t he West 20 si de we have f ur t her af i el d, t he Howar d Uni ver si t y 21 and some of t he nei ghbor hoods t o t he west , and al so, 22 t he bal ance of t he r est of t he 92- acr e l andmar k. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 201 1 What we al so have t o t he nor t h i s t he 2 Hospi t al Cent er , t he Chi l dr en' s Hospi t al and t he 3 Vet er ans Af f ai r s Medi cal Cent er . 4 And what t he si t e si t s i n i s t he mi ddl e of 5 a cont ext wher e we have wal kabl e st r eet s and bl ocks 6 t o t he sout h, we have a smal l r owhouse nei ghbor hood 7 her e t o t he east , and we have r eal l y a ki nd of 8 subur ban l ayout st yl e hospi t al compl ex wi t h par ki ng 9 l ot s and t al l bui l di ngs, up t o 129 f eet or so, of f t o 10 t he nor t hwest . 11 Ther e' s r eal l y no cent er i n t hi s 12 nei ghbor hood, but t hi s si t e of f er s us t he oppor t uni t y 13 t o cr eat e a gr eat pl ace t hat wi l l benef i t peopl e who 14 wor k her e al r eady, t hat ' l l benef i t t he r esi dent s of 15 Bl oomi ngdal e, St r onghol d and t he ot her r esi dent i al 16 nei ghbor hoods, benef i t peopl e l i vi ng f ur t her t o t he 17 east or goi ng t o school at t he uni ver si t i es i n t hose 18 ar eas, and al so have benef i t f or peopl e over on t he 19 west si de, as wel l . 20 And l i ke I ment i oned, t hi s pl an, one of t he 21 r easons i t ' s si gni f i cant , i t i s a cr eat i ve synt hesi s 22 of pr eser vat i on, open space and devel opment , and i t McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 202 1 i s appr opr i at e t o bot h cont ext s, t he cont ext of t he 2 l andmar k and t he cont ext of t he ci t y ar ound i t . 3 I n devel opi ng our mast er pl an, we devel oped 4 f our t hemes, heal t h, wat er , pr eser vat i on and 5 sust ai nabi l i t y. Cl ear l y, you' ve hear d about how t hi s 6 si t e was bui l t as a pl ace t o enhance t he publ i c 7 heal t h i n t he begi nni ng of t he 20t h Cent ur y t o 8 pr ovi di ng cl ean dr i nki ng wat er . 9 We t ake t hat t heme f or war d wi t h some of t he 10 wat er t hat we' l l be i nt r oduci ng on t he si t e t hat wi l l 11 be used f or ot her pur poses, such as r ecr eat i on or 12 per haps t r eat i ng st or mwat er . Ri ght now, t he si t e 13 doesn' t have st or mwat er t r eat ment . We' r e usi ng t hat 14 as a t heme t hat you' l l see. 15 Pr eser vat i on, Emi l y has spoken t o aspect s 16 of pr eser vat i on i n t he si t e, wher e we' r e r et ai ni ng 17 t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t s, t he above gr ade 18 st r uct ur es and cr eat i vel y pr oposi ng t he possi bi l i t y 19 of r eusi ng cel l s i n t he par k and i n t he nor t h cour t 20 f or t he r et ai l di st r i ct . 21 And sust ai nabi l i t y, sust ai nabi l i t y not onl y 22 i n t er ms of r ai n gar dens and t r eat i ng st or mwat er on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 203 1 si t e, but sust ai nabi l i t y i n t er ms of maki ng a pl an 2 t hat begi ns wi t h t he set t l ement pat t er n, begi ns wi t h 3 maki ng a pl ace wher e peopl e can wal k, shop, r ecr eat e, 4 pl ay Fr i sbee wi t h t hei r ki ds, wal k t hei r dog, go t o 5 t he communi t y cent er , wher e t hey coul d wor k dur i ng 6 t he day. 7 I t ' s a pl ace wher e you don' t have t o move 8 t wo t ons of st eel , as i n your car , t o get a quar t of 9 mi l k. And t hat wi l l be an i mpor t ant f eat ur e of t hi s 10 movi ng f or war d, t o pr ovi de f or t he possi bi l i t y of 11 mor e wal kabi l i t y i n our ci t y, whi ch i s a ver y 12 si gni f i cant benef i t . 13 These t hemes have been devel oped i n t he 14 cour se of our engagement wi t h t he communi t y out r each, 15 f eedback f r omr egul at or y agenci es, t he Hi st or i c 16 Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d and l ot s of communi t y 17 meet i ngs as t hey i ncor por at e t he det ai l s. You wi l l 18 know i t ' s McMi l l an by t he t hemes. 19 Our mast er pl an. We had a ver y pr oduct i ve 20 and f r ui t f ul di al ogue wi t h t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on 21 Revi ew Boar d and wher e we ended up i s not wher e we 22 st ar t ed, I ' mpr oud t o say, and I t hi nk we ended up McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 204 1 wi t h a much bet t er pl an as a r esul t of our di al ogue 2 and t hei r f eedback. But t hey haven' t been t he onl y 3 ones wei ghi ng i n, we' ve got t en f eedback, as wel l , 4 f r omt he Of f i ce of Pl anni ng and t he communi t y and al l 5 sor t s of f ol ks. 6 And i t ' s ver y common when doi ng a l ar ge 7 mast er pl an t hat t hi ngs change over t he cour se of 8 t i me, t hat t hey' r e goi ng t o change as needs ar e 9 known, as i ssues ar e vet t ed and under st ood. And t hi s 10 has been a pr oj ect t hat has had, you know, i t ' s had 11 i t s chal l enges i n t er ms of get t i ng our ar ms ar ound 12 al l t he di f f er ent i ssues, because t her e ar e 13 si gni f i cant l y unusual i ssues her e. But I t hi nk t he 14 pl an we' r e br i ngi ng t o you t oday i s r eal l y somet hi ng 15 t hat i s about McMi l l an, but adds ever so much mor e. 16 So t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d, 17 i n gi vi ng out t hei r appr oval , chal l enged us t o come 18 up wi t h somet hi ng speci al and sai d, " Tel l us what t he 19 r oot s of McMi l l an ar e, t el l us what t he DNA i s. Tel l 20 us what you under st and about t he si t e. 21 So what I want t o wal k t hr ough f i r st ar e 22 some of t he most sal i ent aspect s of t he mast er pl an, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 205 1 bot h i n t er ms of how t hey or i gi nat ed wi t h t he 2 or i gi nal pl an and t al k about how t hey' r e appl i ed t o 3 t he mast er pl an. 4 So what you see f i r st i s t he t r i par t i t e 5 or gani zat i on t hat Emi l y Ei g spoke about , t hese t hr ee 6 l and- based, separ at ed by t hese t wo ser vi ce cour t s, 7 t he t wo ser vi ce cour t s, whi ch have t he char act er i st i c 8 bui l di ngs and f eat ur es and t he ser vi ce cour t s. 9 The t hi r d i s t he pl i nt h, t he pl ai n. 10 Ol mst ed cal l ed i t t he pl ane, our t eamcal l ed i t t he 11 pl i nt h. As t he gr ade f al l s ar ound t he si t e, t hi s 12 seems t o emer ge out of t he gr ound as a sor t of - - we 13 l i kened i t t o al most sor t of an ai r cr af t car r i er wi t h 14 t hi s bi g pl ane. 15 Next of cour se, i mpor t ant as wel l i n t er ms 16 of our under st andi ng of t he vi ews acr oss t he si t e, 17 acr oss t he si t e f r omNor t h Capi t ol . The f i r st , 18 acr oss t he ser vi ce cour t s and our par k i n t he sout h, 19 whi ch I ' l l t al k about i n a l i t t l e bi t , memor i al i zes 20 t hat vi ew. 21 And f i nal l y, t he Ol mst ed Wal k, t hi s ver y 22 cr eat i ve wal k t hat Ol mst ed i nvent ed si mpl y t o al l ow McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 206 1 t he publ i c t o see par t s of t he pl ane, wi t hout 2 per mi t t i ng t hemt o go out t her e. We ar e r emaki ng 3 t hat , r eest abl i shi ng t hat , usi ng t hat as a si gnat ur e 4 el ement of t he mast er pl an. 5 So what ar e doi ng? We have a t r i par t i t e 6 or gani zat i on. We have t he heal t h car e bui l di ngs i n 7 t he nor t h t her e wi t h Cel l 14 and t he heal i ng gar dens. 8 We have t he cent er par t t hat wi l l be mi xed use, 9 r esi dent i al ar ea, and t hen we have t he par k ar ea t o 10 t he sout h. So each of t hese t hr ee ar eas ar e 11 di st i nct , i n and of t hemsel ves. 12 The ser vi ce cour t s ar e mai nt ai ned and 13 enhanced. The hi st or i c f eat ur es i n t hemwi l l become 14 par t of t he new l andscape of t he open desi gn. I n t he 15 nor t h, i t wi l l be a mi xed use envi r onment , we' l l show 16 some pi ct ur es of t hat . And i n t he sout h, par t of t he 17 ei ght - acr e over al l par k i n t he sout her n par t of t he 18 si t e. They' l l be enhanced. And t hese r epor t s ar e 19 al ways used f or t r af f i c, as wel l . 20 The pl i nt h I ment i oned i s mai nt ai ned and 21 we' l l show a sl i de of t hat i n a second. The Ol mst ed 22 Wal k i s r emade and r eest abl i shed ar ound t he per i met er McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 207 1 of t he si t e t her e, so t he si t e pul l s back f r omt he 2 edges i n or der t o gi ve space t o t he wal k so you can 3 see i t i n i t s cont i nui t y, even r ecal l t he cur vy 4 aspect s at t he nor t h end. 5 And t her e ar e vi ews acr oss, si gni f i cant l y 6 i n t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t her e, t he vi ews 7 acr oss and of cour se, as I ment i oned bef or e, t he 8 vi ews acr oss t he par k i n t he sout her n t hi r d of t he 9 si t e. I t ' s ver y i mpor t ant t o be abl e t o see acr oss. 10 The under gr ound cel l s. We have 11 st r at egi cal l y chosen t hese, so t hat t hi s cel l can 12 pl ay an i mpor t ant r ol l i n t he f ut ur e l i f e of t he 13 nor t h ser vi ce cour t . 14 Br uce Leonar d t al ked about some of t he 15 chal l enges wi t h r et ai l . We bel i eve t hat by i ncl udi ng 16 r et ai l i n t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t t hat i s desi gned t o 17 mar ket st andar ds, we st and a gr eat er chance of 18 i ncl udi ng somet hi ng uni que i n Cel l 14 i n t he 19 nor t heast cor ner . So we t hi nk t hi s i s a possi bi l i t y 20 f or t hat and t hat ' s one of t he r easons why we l ocat ed 21 i t . 22 The ot her r eason i s t hat we pul l ed t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 208 1 bui l di ngs back f r omt he edge of Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet 2 so t hat t hese bui l di ngs woul dn' t bl ock t he vi ew 3 comi ng down Nor t h Capi t ol . Because i f you know t hi s 4 si t e, you know t hat t her e' s a ver y pr omi nent vi ew of 5 t hese si l os. So t he bui l di ngs pul l back, t hose si l os 6 ar e exposed and t he Cel l 14, so t her e' s a sor t of 7 pamphl et set of t he si t e r i ght t her e and al l owi ng 8 t hose vi ews. 9 And t hen i n Cel l 28 i n t he par k, 10 i ncor por at i ng i t as par t of t he l ower l evel , so 11 you' l l be abl e t o be i n t he communi t y cent er and see 12 i nt o t he l ower l evel s of Cel l 28 as par t of t hi s 13 l ar ge par k. 14 One of t he chal l enges, of cour se, i s maki ng 15 deci si ons about wher e t hi s sor t of st r at egy i s best 16 depl oyed. We bel i eve t hat t hese t wo pl aces ar e t he 17 pl aces wher e t he exper i ence of t hat hi st or i c aspect 18 of t he si t e wi l l be most pr of ound. We t hi nk t hat 19 t hat ' s an i mpor t ant par t of t he concept of t he mast er 20 pl an. 21 We have st or mwat er management f eat ur es 22 t hr oughout . Ri ght now, t he si t e i s l acki ng t hese McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 209 1 st or mwat er management f eat ur es. I n t he nor t h ser vi ce 2 cour t , r ai n gar dens, Hal f St r eet cont ai ns a l i near 3 r ai n gar den and t hen t he sout h ser vi ce cour t cont ai ns 4 a r ai n gar den, as wel l acr oss, movi ng east - west . And 5 t he sout heast er n por t i on of t he par k wi l l have a 6 st or mwat er pond and r ai n gar dens, as wel l . 7 And t hi s i s t he r esul t of an under st andi ng 8 of t he geohydr aul ogy of t he si t e t hat I ' l l show i n a 9 coupl e of mi nut es her e. But we have st or mwat er 10 f eat ur es t hr oughout and t hese wi l l be di dact i c 11 f eat ur es, peopl e wi l l see t hemand under st and how t he 12 si t e' s per f or mi ng, r ecal l i ng agai n t he wat er i n t he 13 whol e mast er pl an t heme. 14 Par ks, heal i ng gar dens wi t h t he heal t h car e 15 bui l di ngs at t he nor t h, Cel l 14 t her e, maki ng t hat 16 si gnat ur e openi ng i nt o t he si t e, and t hen t he ei ght - 17 acr e par k, i ncl udi ng t he sout h ser vi ce cour t at t he 18 bot t omt hi r d, l ocat ed i n a way so t hat t hi s par k not 19 onl y can be par t of t he pl i nt h and memor i al i ze t he 20 r eadi ng of t he pl i nt h, but al so be gr eat er access t o 21 t he Bl oomi ngdal e communi t y and ot her communi t i es t o 22 t he sout h. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 210 1 We had ear l i er schemes, whi ch I ' l l show 2 you, t hat had t he par k i n t he cent er . We f el t af t er 3 some di scussi on wi t h t he communi t y t hat t hi s woul d be 4 a par k t hat woul d be seen as mor e of an asset t o 5 communi t i es, not j ust sur r oundi ng t he par k i n t he 6 cent er , but al so communi t i es t o t he east and t o t he 7 sout h. 8 The st r eet net wor k t hat r econnect s McMi l l an 9 t o t he ci t y f abr i c. Oh, we have t he nor t h and sout h 10 ser vi ce cour t s. Ri ght now, t hi s di es dead- end her e. 11 We' l l be i nt r oduci ng r amps so t hat t hi s wi l l be abl e 12 t o be connect ed her e t hr ough t o Fi r st St r eet , so t hat 13 t hi s wi l l be connect ed al l t he way acr oss. The sout h 14 ser vi ce cour t wi l l al so be a pl ace wher e vehi cl es can 15 ent er and connect t o t he st r eet net wor k. Ther e wi l l 16 be access t o t he communi t y cent er her e f r omt he sout h 17 ser vi ce cour t t her e. 18 And know t hi s as wel l . We have Hal f St r eet 19 as our mai n spi ne, a smal l set of st r eet s t hat ar e 20 dr op- of f s f or t he heal t h car e bui l di ngs. But not i ce 21 t he or i ent at i on of t he st r eet s. We have st r eet s and 22 si dewal ks t hr oughout t hat al l ow f or gr eat er mobi l i t y, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 211 1 but al so t he or i ent at i on of t he bl ocks or gani zed i n 2 such a way t o r ef er t o t he nor t h- sout h connect i on or 3 a vi sual r el at i onshi p bet ween t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t 4 and t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 5 Emi l y Ei g t al ked about t he coher ence of 6 t hat r el at i onshi p. You' l l be abl e t o st and - - and 7 I ' l l show a pi ct ur e of t hi s - - and see t he hi st or i c 8 el ement s i f you l ook nor t h and sout h on t hese 9 st r eet s. 10 Heal t h car e f aci l i t i es i n t he nor t h her e 11 and al so on t he sout her n si de of t he nor t h ser vi ce 12 cour t . Mul t i f ami l y bui l di ngs l ocat ed her e, t hi s one 13 wi t h a gr ocer y st or e and, al so, t hese wi t h r et ai l on 14 t he gr ound f l oor and t hen r owhouses. 15 What ' s i mpor t ant i s we have bui l di ngs t hat 16 descr i be t he space of t he st r eet t hr oughout . So we 17 have what ' s cal l ed posi t i ve sur vei l l ance, eyes on t he 18 st r eet . McMi l l an wi l l be a pl ace wher e peopl e wi l l 19 see what ' s goi ng on. They' l l f eel good about bei ng 20 i n t he nei ghbor hood because t hey' l l know t hat t her e 21 ar e bui l di ngs cl ose t o t he def i ni t i on of t he st r eet s 22 and t hey' l l be abl e t o see ever yt hi ng t hat ' s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 212 1 happeni ng i n t he publ i c space. 2 The communi t y cent er , about 18, 000- squar e 3 f oot communi t y cent er t hat navi gat es t he change i n 4 gr ade f r omt he upper l evel of t he par k t o t he l ower 5 l evel of t he par k. And t hen our r et ai l f r ont age 6 al ong t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t her e at t he base of t he 7 heal t h car e bui l di ngs and at t he base of t hese 8 bui l di ngs, as wel l . 9 Communi t y f ocused r et ai l . We wor ked a l ot 10 wi t h t he communi t y i n t er ms of l i st eni ng t o what 11 t hei r needs wer e and under st andi ng how t o i nt egr at e 12 t hat i nt o t he pl an. Thi s sor t of DNA wi l l sor t of 13 memor i al i ze McMi l l an, you wi l l know i t ' s McMi l l an. 14 So t hi s gi ves you a summar y of t he pr ogr am, 15 I won' t go t hr ough t hi s i n det ai l . But you can see 16 t he way i n whi ch t he par k now on t he sout h r el at es 17 mor e t o t he nei ghbor hoods t o t he sout h. The heal t h 18 car e bui l di ngs compl ex r el at es t o t he heal t h car e 19 bui l di ngs t o t he nor t h. 20 And i t ' s cl ear t hat when t hese ar e bui l t , 21 peopl e f r omt hese bui l di ngs her e wi l l wal k over and 22 use t he r et ai l or maybe per haps t hey' l l have busi ness McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 213 1 i n t hese bui l di ngs and wi l l begi n t o t r ansf or mwhat 2 i s a ver y subur ban par t of Washi ngt on wi t h our 3 pr oj ect her e. And t hen t he st r eet s and bl ocks of t he 4 cent er emphasi zi ng t he nor t h- sout h connect i on of t he 5 nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t s, al l r i nged by t he 6 Ol mst ed Wal k. 7 So t he ber m, an i mpor t ant char act er i st i c 8 her e, some hi st or i c pi ct ur es on t op, some pi ct ur es of 9 what i t ' s l i ke t oday. Si nce t he si t e' s been f enced 10 of f , i t ' s cl ear t hat , you know, most peopl e pr obabl y 11 under st and t he si t e t oday by under st andi ng t he ber m. 12 Thi s i s an i somet r i c of our pr oj ect wi t hout 13 most of bui l di ngs. Ther e' s t he sout h ser vi ce cour t , 14 t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t and t he communi t y bui l di ng. 15 What you can see i s t he way i n whi ch i n our desi gn 16 t he ber mi s pr eser ved and memor i al i zed as t he 17 per i met er of t he si t e. 18 Thi s was somet hi ng t hat was ver y i mpor t ant 19 t o t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d. I n gi vi ng 20 us t hei r appr oval , t hey emphasi zed t he ext ent t o 21 whi ch t he l egi bi l i t y of t he si t e f r omt he ext er i or 22 had t o be under st ood. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 214 1 We have an openi ng i nt o t he par k on one 2 par t of t he ber mher e. You pr obabl y know t hat t he 3 si t e si nks down i nt o t he gr ade a l i t t l e bi t at Cel l 4 14 her e, but t he aspect of t he pr oj ect emer gi ng and 5 t he si t e emer gi ng out of t he gr ound wi l l be 6 mai nt ai ned as t he ci t y' s t opogr aphy f al l s away. Thi s 7 wi l l be uni que and i t wi l l be somet hi ng t hat wi l l be 8 an i coni c i mage of McMi l l an f or year s t o come. 9 I ' l l t al k about t he ser vi ce cour t s, 10 r epur posi ng t hem. They have t hese uni que si l os and 11 r egul at or houses t hat Emi l y had t al ked about , some of 12 t he sand washer s. Thi s i s a vi ew of t he sout h 13 ser vi ce cour t above Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet , wi t h t he 14 r owhouse di st r i ct t o t he r i ght . You can see t he 15 wal l s on ei t her si de of t he sout h ser vi ce cour t her e. 16 What ' s i mpor t ant t o not e about t hi s i s t hat 17 r i ght now, because of t he gr ade, you can' t get f r om 18 Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet up i nt o t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 19 So we' l l be i nt r oduci ng publ i c st eps, publ i c ar t , 20 f ount ai ns and t hi ngs t o announce t he pr esence of 21 McMi l l an, t o i nvi t e peopl e i n, t o i nvi t e t hemi nt o 22 t hi s wonder f ul uni que publ i c space and al so i nt o t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 215 1 par k, f ur t her beyond t he communi t y cent er , so t ot al l y 2 t r ansf or mi ng t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 3 The ser vi ce cour t wal l s. I n some cases i n 4 t he sout h ser vi ce cour t we' l l be mai nt ai ni ng t hem, 5 some of t hemwi l l be used t o f r ame t hi ngs, such as 6 t he ent r y i nt o t he communi t y cent er t her e. So we 7 si t uat ed t he new communi t y cent er i n such a way t hat 8 i t ' s f r amed by t he exi st i ng wal l s of t he sout h 9 ser vi ce cour t and becomes sor t of engaged wi t h t hat 10 i n such a way t hat t her e' s an act i ve di al ogue bet ween 11 new const r uct i on and t he hi st or i c r esour ces. 12 I ment i oned t he Ol mst ed Wal k. Thi s i s a 13 pi ct ur e of i t s condi t i on t oday. Cl ear l y, t he 14 pl ant i ng of t hat wi l l pr ovi de f or yet anot her 15 si gnat ur e pi ece of t he per i met er of t he si t e, as wel l 16 as f or a ni ce pl ace t o wal k on a Sunday af t er noon, 17 t ake t he dog f or a wal k or st r ol l ar ound t her e. I t 18 woul d be a wonder f ul pl ace f or t he nei ghbor hood t o 19 use. 20 And al so i n t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t , we ar e 21 t r ansf or mi ng t hi s i nt o an exci t i ng mi xed use, what 22 Anne Cor bet t has done, a McMi l l an Mai n St r eet , wher e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 216 1 we have commer ci al uses, such as t he heal t h car e 2 bui l di ngs, r esi dent i al uses, al l wi t h gr ound f l oor 3 r et ai l . 4 One of t he ni ce t hi ngs about t he nor t h 5 ser vi ce cour t i s t he spaci ng of t he el ement s bet ween 6 t hemcan be used f or per haps out door seat i ng. 7 Regul at or houses can be r epur posed i nt o r est aur ant s 8 or per haps publ i c f aci l i t i es t her e and i t becomes 9 r eal l y a vi br ant pl ace, hopef ul l y wi t h l ot of 10 j aywal ki ng, l i ke t hese peopl e ar e doi ng. Because we 11 know t hat i n r eal l y good publ i c envi r onment s, peopl e 12 j aywal k a l ot and i t ' s a pl ace t hey can be saf e. 13 We' l l al so be r ei nt r oduci ng t he hi st or i c 14 pavi ng, hi st or i c concr et e whi ch was i n t he ser vi ce 15 cour t s t her e and usi ng t hat as a way t o r ecal l t he 16 or i gi ns of t he si t e. 17 The Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Revi ew Boar d al so 18 sai d t o us, " Look, deal wi t h McMi l l an i n t er ms of i t s 19 DNA, bot h i n t er ms of t he br oader concept s and i n 20 t er ms of det ai l ed concept s. " So we went back and we 21 l ooked car ef ul l y at some of t he hi st or i c aspect s of 22 t he si t e and many of t he t hi ngs t hat you see i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 217 1 McMi l l an ar e qui t e uni que t o t he si t e, not t hi ngs 2 t hat you necessar i l y see i n many ot her pl aces. 3 So or exampl e, t he st or age si l os have a 4 ki nd of beaut i f ul ski n pat t er n t hat t al ks about t he 5 di f f er ent concr et e l i f t s, t hat t he pour ed f or m 6 concr et e was used t o make t hi s f or m. I n ot her wor ds, 7 so you see t hi s sor t of pat t er n of r i ngs of concr et e 8 on t hese cyl i nder s. 9 They al so have ver y si mpl e si ngul ar f or ms, 10 si mpl e ar ched openi ng on ei t her si de, t hey' r e not 11 compl ex, t hey' r e ver y pl at oni c i n a sense, ver y 12 si mpl e. 13 When Ol mst ed came on t he si t e, he 14 i nt r oduced t o some of t he ser vi ce cour t wal l s 15 over hangi ng pl ant s t o sof t en t he vi ew of t he pl ace. 16 And t her e ar e subt l e t hi ngs, l i ke t he ent r i es i nt o 17 t he under gr ound cel l s have accent ed pi eces, smal l 18 dent i l s, ar chways t hat poke up above t he wal l s. 19 Fur t her mor e, t hi ngs l i ke t he r ai sed pl i nt h, 20 t he medi cal of f i ce bui l di ngs, heal t h car e cent er at 21 t he nor t h end has i t s own pl i nt h and i s sor t of 22 r ecal l i ng t hat wi t h t he wal l s of t he nor t h ser vi ce McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 218 1 cour t t hat i t est abl i shes. 2 Veget at i on on pl aces l i ke - - t hat was 3 i nt r oduced on t he sand si l os and some of t he 4 bui l di ngs ar e embr aci ng, t hi s i s an i dea. Fr amed 5 openi ngs, si mpl e openi ngs t hat ar e f r amed by t he 6 r egul at or houses or t he si l os, ver y si mpl e openi ngs, 7 not ver y compl ex. 8 And i nt er est i ng subt l et i es her e, t he 9 ser vi ce cour t wal l i s cant er ed sl i ght l y, t he ent r y t o 10 t he por t al s ver t i cal at 90 degr ees, t he wal l s 11 t hemsel ves cant er ed, al most l i ke a bat t er ed wal l . 12 And we ar e usi ng t hat t hemat i cal l y, as wel l , i n t he 13 nor t h ser vi ce cour t t o make t he r et ai l wal l of t hat 14 cour t . 15 The concer n t hat t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on 16 Revi ew Boar d al so r epr esent ed t o us i s how can t hese 17 bui l di ngs and what you i nt r oduce on t he si t e have a 18 sense of ar chi t ect ur al cohesi on. Because what t hey 19 st r essed t o us was what you i nt r oduce can' t l ook l i ke 20 Bl oomi ngdal e, i t can' t l ook l i ke t he Washi ngt on 21 Hospi t al Cent er acr oss t he st r eet or anyt hi ng ar ound 22 i t , i t has t o have an i nt egr i t y al l of i t s own so McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 219 1 t hat t he l andmar k i s i dent i f i abl e. 2 So we came up wi t h a uni f i ed pal et t e of 3 mat er i al s. Some of t hemr aw, some of t hemr ef i ned, 4 because what we needed t o do i s t o f i gur e out a way 5 t hat t he smal l bui l di ngs, such as t he r owhouses, and 6 t he medi umsi zed bui l di ngs, l i ke mul t i f ami l y 7 bui l di ngs, coul d seemt o be member s wi t h t he same 8 f ami l y of t he medi cal of f i ce bui l di ngs t o t he nor t h. 9 And t hey al so suggest ed t o us t hat t he 10 r owhouses r eal l y ought t o be composed as si ngul ar 11 bui l di ngs. I n ot her wor ds, i nst ead of ever y r owhouse 12 havi ng a di f f er ent f acade, composed i n such a way 13 t hat t hey l ook as t hough t hey have an or der t hat i s 14 addi ng up t o a gr eat er ki nd of sense of t he bui l di ng, 15 r at her t han j ust separ at e, i ndi vi dual bui l di ngs. 16 So t hese ar e some of t he pr ecedent s we 17 l ooked at , t hese ar e not bui l di ngs at McMi l l an, but 18 we sor t of wer e dr awn t o t hi s pal et t e wi t h t he whi t e 19 wal l s and t he dar ker f enest r at i on and accent i ng 20 col or s and some of t he dar ker ocher col or ed ot her 21 accent s. 22 So what we came up wi t h was t hi s col or McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 220 1 pal et t e wi t h t he pr i mar y bui l di ng col or , t he 2 f enest r at i on, t he secondar y col or bei ng a char coal 3 col or , and a t er t i ar y col or bei ng sor t of an or angy 4 ocher col or , some aspect s of i t maybe t er r a cot t a, 5 some maybe a wood col or . But t hi s i s r eal l y t he 6 col or pat t er n of McMi l l an. 7 You wi l l know t hat i t ' s McMi l l an because 8 t hese bui l di ngs have a r el at i onshi p and t he r owhouses 9 wi l l have a si mi l ar col or pal et t e t o t he mul t i f ami l y 10 bui l di ngs, whi ch wi l l have a si mi l ar col or pal et t e t o 11 t he heal t h car e bui l di ngs. 12 Why i s t hat i mpor t ant ? So t hat t hey seem 13 as t hough t hey bel ong wi t h each ot her , and we enj oy 14 t he vi r t ues and t he benef i t s of t he mi xed use pr ogr am 15 and t he vi t al i t y t hat t hat br i ngs, but we al so need 16 t o be mi ndf ul t hat McMi l l an i t sel f i s somet hi ng t hat 17 has t o have a coher ent char act er t o i t . 18 So t he r owhouses ar e or gani zed i n gr oupi ngs 19 wher e we have bay wi ndows and smal l symmet r y so t hey 20 add up t o somet hi ng l ar ger t han j ust an i ndi vi dual 21 bui l di ng. Mul t i f ami l y bui l di ng, t hi s i s t he bui l di ng 22 sl at ed f or a gr ocer y st or e at gr ound l evel and t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 221 1 mul t i f ami l y above. 2 And t hen heal t h car e showi ng t he concr et e 3 at t he l ower l evel s r el at i ng t o t he nor t h ser vi ce 4 cour t wi t h t he r et ai l st or e f r ont s and t hen an 5 i nt er medi at e l evel t hat ' s l i ke a pl i nt h and t hen t he 6 upper l evel s woul d pr obabl y be l ar ger t er r a cot t a 7 panel s, al l wor ki ng t oget her f or a coher ent har mony 8 on t he si t e. 9 We al so have spent t i me, as you know, wi t h 10 t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on, r ecei vi ng pr el i mi nar y appr oval 11 t he ot her ni ght . They r evi ewed t he bui l di ng hei ght s 12 and we wor ked ver y cl osel y wi t h t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on 13 and t he st af f of NCPC t o concer ns about t hese. 14 Fr omt he begi nni ng, what we hear d f r omt he 15 nei ghbor hood was t hey want ed t o make sur e t hat t he 16 bui l di ng hei ght s di d not have adver se i mpact s on t he 17 sur r oundi ng nei ghbor hoods. So we have smal l er 18 bui l di ngs st eppi ng up t o t he cor ner , t o t he 19 nor t hwest , wher e t he t al l est bui l di ngs ar e l ocat ed. 20 So t hese ar e sympat het i c t o t he scal e and si ze of t he 21 bui l di ngs on t he east and t he sout h and t he t al l er 22 bui l di ngs l ocat ed so t hat t hey ar e cl oser t o t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 222 1 t al l er bui l di ngs at t he Washi ngt on Hospi t al Cent er 2 and Chi l dr ens. 3 We al so l ooked at l and use wi t h Zoni ng, 4 t al ki ng about t he di f f er ent ki nds of uses t hat wi l l 5 be on t he si t e. I ment i oned heal t h car e, t he r et ai l , 6 t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t , r esi dent i al , mul t i f ami l y 7 bui l di ngs t her e, r owhouses i n t he cent er of t he pl an, 8 t he communi t y cent er t her e, al l of t hese st r eet s 9 connect i ng, nor t h- sout h. 10 Thi s pl an i s about havi ng a pl ace f or 11 peopl e t o l i ve, wor k, pl ay, vi si t , shop and l ear n 12 hi st or y about t hi s si t e, i t i ncor por at es al l of t hese 13 t hi ngs. And by i ncl udi ng bui l di ngs t hat descr i be and 14 f r ont ont o st r eet s, we' r e pr ovi di ng a saf e pl ace t hat 15 wi l l have a vi t al i t y and a saf et y f or i t t hat wi l l 16 enhance t he nei ghbor hoods ar ound i t . 17 So l et me t al k a l i t t l e bi t about t he 18 evol ut i on of t he pl an. Because as I ment i oned when I 19 st ar t ed, al l maj or , bi g mast er pl ans go t hr ough 20 evol ut i ons. I ' ve never been par t of a mast er pl an 21 t hat di dn' t go t hr ough some sor t of evol ut i on at some 22 poi nt i n t i me. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 223 1 And t hi s i s a pl an t hat was done - - we wer e 2 br ought ont o t he pr oj ect i n 2010, but I want t o wal k 3 t hr ough t he evol ut i on of some of t he t hi nki ng t hat 4 went i nt o ear l i er pl ans and some of t hi ngs t hat have 5 evol ved and i nf l uenced us as we began t o cr af t t he 6 pl an t hat we br i ng t o you t oday. 7 The f i r st pl an i n 2008 had f ewer of t he 8 st r uct ur es i n t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t s 9 pr eser ved and you' l l not i ce mi ni mal pr eser vat i on of 10 under gr ound cel l s and you' l l not i ce t her e' s al most no 11 par k, an i mpor t ant aspect t o see acr oss t he si t e. 12 I n 2011, we t al ked ser i ousl y and devel oped 13 a ser i ous appr oach t o pr eser vi ng t he st r uct ur es i n 14 t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t , i nt egr at i ng Cel l 15 14 i nt o t hat pl an. And t hi s case I ment i oned 16 ear l i er , t he par k i n t he cent er of t he pl an. Thi s i s 17 t he ver si on of t hat t hat di d t hat . 18 We al so par t i al l y r est or ed t he Ol mst ed Wal k 19 her e on t wo si des of t he si t e her e, whi ch was not i n 20 t he ear l i er pl an. I t i ncl udes mor e pr eser vat i on, a 21 l i t t l e bi t mor e of t he Ol mst ed Wal k and a par k i n t he 22 cent er of t he si t e wi t h t he communi t y cent er i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 224 1 t her e. 2 The pl an we br i ng t o you t oday r eal l y 3 i ncl udes t hese yel l ow bands of adapt i ve r euse 4 pr eser vat i on her e, Cel l 14 i n t he nor t h ser vi ce 5 cour t , t he sout h ser vi ce cour t and t he par k. And 6 what does t he par k do f or us? The par k gi ves us t he 7 pl i nt h at i t s most dr amat i c l ocat i on, i t gi ves us t he 8 vi ews acr oss. I t al l ows us t o di spl ay a sor t of 9 st or mwat er ar ea as par t of t he l ower l evel of t he 10 par k, and I ' l l t al k about t hat i n a second, and t he 11 f ul l r est or at i on of t he per i met er of t he si t e, t he 12 Ol mst ed Wal k. 13 So t hi s has been an i mpor t ant evol ut i on f or 14 us, i t ' s been an i mpor t ant di al ogue wi t h l ot s of 15 di f f er ent gr oups. We f eel ver y conf i dent t hat t hi s 16 i s t he best ver si on we' ve done, we t hi nk i t ' s 17 si gni f i cant and speci al and of ver y hi gh qual i t y. 18 I ' l l j ust t al k a l i t t l e bi t mor e about t he 19 evol ut i on of t he open space because t her e was al so a 20 ver y st r ong sense on t he par t of t he communi t y t hat 21 t he pl an needed t o i ncl ude mor e open space. 22 So t hi s i s a December 2008 pl an, si x acr es McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 225 1 of open space cent er ed on t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce 2 cour t s. I n 2011, ni ne acr es, a l i t t l e bi gger par k i n 3 t he cent er . Ther e was a sense t hat t hi s was per haps 4 not bi g enough and so by vi r t ue of movi ng t hi s par k 5 t o t he bot t om, we got a l ar ger par k, we wer e abl e t o 6 get t he vi ew al l t he way acr oss, have t he pi ece of 7 McMi l l an and t he pl i nt h wher e i t ' s most dr amat i c. So 8 t he pl an we' r e br i ngi ng you t oday, as I ment i oned 9 bef or e, i ncl udes al l of t hat . 10 So t hat evol ut i on has been an i mpor t ant 11 par t of our t hi nki ng and an i mpor t ant par t of how we 12 wei gh di f f er ent i mper at i ves wi t h t he pr oj ect . 13 So t hi s i s Col umbi a Hei ght s. We ar e not 14 seeki ng t o make a Col umbi a Hei ght s. We know McMi l l an 15 wi l l be a uni que pl ace and a uni que pr oj ect and i t 16 wi l l be a uni que nei ghbor hood. But we t hought i t 17 mi ght be usef ul t o have a sense of t he scal e of t he 18 McMi l l an 25 acr es and compar e i t t o somet hi ng t hat ' s 19 under gone what we al l bel i eve i s a ver y posi t i ve 20 t r ansf or mat i on r ecent l y i n Col umbi a Hei ght s. Thi s i s 21 t he smal l pl aza at Col umbi a Hei ght s t her e. Thi s i s 22 USA - - what ' s i t cal l ed - - DC USA r i ght t her e, and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 226 1 t hi s i s t he par k at McMi l l an. 2 So you can see t hi s i s t he bal ance of t he 3 25 acr es of McMi l l an. 4 We have a chance wi t h t hi s pr ogr am, wi t h 5 t hi s pr oj ect and t he vi t al i t y t hat comes wi t h i t t o 6 be as t r ansf or mat i ve as Col umbi a Hei ght s has been. 7 I t ' l l be di f f er ent , i t ' l l be uni que, i t wi l l have 8 di f f er ent aspect s t o i t , but i t wi l l have t hi s 9 beaut i f ul par k and open space at t he sout her n end, 10 but i t wi l l al so have devel opment t hat wi l l br i ng a 11 vi t al i t y t o t hat par t of t own. 12 Let me wal k you ar ound t he si t e a l i t t l e 13 bi t her e. Thi s i s t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t , McMi l l an 14 Mai n St r eet her e. You can see her e t he si l os and t he 15 r egul at or houses i n t he cent er . Thi s i s Nor t h 16 Capi t ol St r eet t her e wi t h t he si dewal k al ong t her e, 17 Cel l 14, and t hen you can see our r et ai l si t es wi t h 18 t he bui l di ngs on ei t her si de of t he nor t h ser vi ce 19 cour t . 20 We have pushed t he bui l di ngs back, we 21 needed t o make t hi s a l i t t l e bi t wi der i n or der t o be 22 abl e t o accommodat e si dewal ks and par al l el par ki ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 227 1 and t he possi bi l i t y of havi ng out door di ni ng and 2 act i vi t i es on si dewal ks t her e. So t he par t of t he 3 nor t h ser vi ce cour t wal l s t hat we' r e r et ai ni ng i s 4 associ at ed onl y wi t h Cel l 14. But you can see Cel l 5 14 and how pr omi nent i t i s and al so t he si l os and t he 6 sandwasher and t he ent r y t o t he si t e. 7 You can see as wel l t he way i n whi ch t he 8 bui l di ngs st ep back above t he f i r st f l oor . Thi s i s 9 somet hi ng t hat t he HPRB was qui t e i nt er est ed i n i n 10 t er ms of gi vi ng hi st or i c el ement s r oomt o br eat he, 11 but at t he same t i me, per haps r ecal l i ng t he wal l of 12 t he ser vi ce cour t wi t h t hi s l ower wal l of t he r et ai l 13 devel opment at gr ound f l oor . 14 So t he bui l di ngs pay r espect t o t he 15 l andmar ks i n t he cent er of t he si t e, t hey r ecal l t he 16 l i ni ng of t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t wi t h r et ai l and 17 t hey i nt egr at e di f f er ent uses bet ween t he cel l s and 18 t he r egul at or houses, as wel l . 19 So as I sai d, we expect t hi s t o be a 20 vi br ant pl ace wi t h peopl e j aywal ki ng and havi ng 21 di nner and meet i ng f r i ends and al so under st andi ng t he 22 hi st or y of t he si t e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 228 1 I shoul d al so ment i on, as I sai d bef or e, by 2 i ncl udi ng Cel l 14 i n t hi s l ocat i on, i t i s our 3 cont ent i on t hat i t makes r edevel opment and r euse 4 possi bi l i t i es f or t hi s mor e possi bl e by associ at i ng 5 wi t h t he act i ve uses her e. 6 You can see, as wel l , t he way i n whi ch t he 7 pl i nt h of t he heal t h car e bui l di ngs t o t he nor t h ar e 8 set back, r ecal l i ng t he pl i nt h of t he si t e. And you 9 can' t see i t so wel l her e, but t he ar chi t ect s of t hi s 10 bui l di ng, Shal omBar anes Associ at es, ar e al so usi ng 11 vi nes and scr eens on t he f acades of t hose bui l di ngs, 12 r ecal l i ng some of t he vi nes t hat Ol mst ed had pl ant ed 13 on t he si l os i n t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t s. 14 I ment i oned t hi s bef or e, r epur posi ng t he 15 r egul at or houses, t he possi bi l i t y wi t h r et ai l and t he 16 spaces i n bet ween f or act i ve publ i c use. And of 17 cour se, t hi s i s one of t he si l os and you can see t he 18 gr ound f l oor of t he r esi dent i al bui l di ng wi t h r et ai l , 19 act i ve r et ai l , f ocusi ng out on t he space i n t he 20 st r eet . 21 Thi s i s a vi ew st andi ng at what we cal l 22 Hal f St r eet , whi ch i s a st r eet i n t he mi ddl e of t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 229 1 pl an, l ooki ng sout h. And we ment i oned bef or e t he need 2 t o have a coher ent and vi si bl e connect i on bet ween t he 3 hi st or i c r esour ces i n t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t and 4 hi st or i c r esour ces i n t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 5 Thi s gi ves you a sense of t hat vi ew i nt o 6 t he par k, f eat ur i ng t he si l o, her e i n t hi s par t i cul ar 7 case r ender ed wi t h t he possi bi l i t y of a publ i c 8 st ai r case up and a ki nd of l ookout at t he t op. 9 Fr ami ng t he bui l di ngs, f r ami ng t he vi ews 10 i nt o t hat par t , a ki nd of si mpl e ar chi t ect ur e t hat i s 11 desi gned not t o over power t he l andmar k, but yet , 12 compl i ment i t i n t er ms of i t s col or pal et t e and i t s 13 f or mand i t s wel l sust ai nabl e f eat ur es i nt egr at ed 14 i nt o t he si t e. 15 So what you see her e i s a l i near r ai n 16 gar den r unni ng up and down Hal f St r eet , you can see 17 pavi ng up and down t he st r eet her e, t hi s wi l l be 18 per vi ous pavi ng wher e t he car s ar e par ked. So t he 19 si t e, i n a way, t he desi gn wi l l t each peopl e about 20 t he sust ai nabi l i t y, t hey' l l be abl e t o see t he 21 sust ai nabl e el ement s t o t r eat st or mwat er i n an act i ve 22 way. Our pl an her e i s r eal l y t o suppor t and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 230 1 di st i ngui sh t he l andmar k, but not compet e wi t h i t . 2 I ment i oned t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . I 3 j ust want t o t al k about t he way i n whi ch t hese 4 bui l di ngs - - agai n, t hey' r e backgr ound, t hey' r e 5 si mpl e massi ng, si mpl e set backs at t he skyl i ne, 6 r et ai ni ng sor t of a doubl e si dewal k condi t i on on t he 7 sout h ser vi ce cour t i nsi de i t t her e, so we' l l have 8 pl ent y of ways f or t he publ i c t o ci r cul at e and ways 9 t o move down i nt o t he par k. 10 The par k syst emher e, I ment i oned bef or e 11 t he heal i ng gar dens, Cel l 14 and t he par k, and al so 12 t hese l i near par ks as par t of t he Ol mst ed Wal k up on 13 t he nor t h and sout h si des - - east and west si des, 14 excuse me - - and al so, t he l i near r ai n gar dens i n t he 15 cent er of t he pl an. 16 The hydr ol ogy i s i mpor t ant . Our l andscape 17 ar chi t ect s, Nel son, Byr d, Wol z, wor ked ver y har d t o 18 desi gn publ i c spaces t hat ar e uni que f or McMi l l an and 19 t o come up wi t h t hi s desi gn f or t he par k, t hat i s of 20 McMi l l an and no ot her pl ace. So i t ' s i mpor t ant - - 21 Ki r k Met t amment i oned Ti ber Cr eek comi ng down i n t hi s 22 l ocat i on acr oss t he sout heast cor ner of t he si t e. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 231 1 Thi s i s a sket ch t hat Nel son, Byr d, Wol z 2 di d, wor ki ng wi t h t he t eam, showi ng how t he Ti ber 3 Cr eek comi ng t hr ough her e coul d be memor i al i zed. And 4 t hen a st or mwat er ar ea, a l ower l evel of t he cr eek 5 open t o Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet , t he smal l amphi t heat er 6 f ocusi ng t owar ds t he east t o t he upper l evel of t he 7 par k and Cel l 28, t he communi t y cent er and t hen t hi s 8 sor t of open expanse acr oss t hat si t e. 9 And Nel son, Byr d, Wol z has i ncl uded a pl ant 10 t axonomy, a l i st of pl ant s t hat wi l l be depl oyed t hat 11 ar e based upon t he Ol mst ed pl ant i ng scheme f or t he 12 si t e. Some of t hemar e i nvasi ve speci es, don' t ask 13 me whi ch ones, but t hei r pl an f or t he pl ant i ng of t he 14 si t e i ncl udes t hi ngs l i ke t he Hawt hor ne t r ees and 15 ot her t hi ngs t hat Ol mst ed had used i n t hei r 16 i nvent or y. 17 The par k i t sel f i ncl udes di f f er ent pl aces. 18 Ther e' s a bosque t hat has a pl ay ar ea i nsi de t he 19 bosque and I ' l l show you a pi ct ur e of t hat i n a 20 second. Fur t her t o t he east i s an i nt er act i ve wat er 21 pl ay ar ea t hat ' s par t of t he si l os t her e and t he ki ds 22 wi l l be abl e t o enj oy, f ami l i es can come when t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 232 1 weat her i s good and spl ash ar ound i n t he wat er . And 2 t hen we have open pl ay l awn ar eas t hat st r et ch acr oss 3 a ver y l ar ge por t i on of t he si t e, east t o west . 4 Thi s j ust gi ves you an i dea of some of t he 5 el ement s t hat woul d be i n t he bosque pl aygr ound, some 6 of t he t hi ngs t hat ar e r ecal l i ng McMi l l an f r om 7 t unnel s and r amps and pl ay ar eas t hat ' l l be si t uat ed 8 t her e, pl aces f or peopl e of al l ages, al t hough I 9 don' t t hi nk I ' l l be cr awl i ng ar ound i n any of t hese 10 t hi ngs, but pl aces f or ki ds and passi ve ar eas f or 11 adul t s. 12 And t hen t hi ngs t hat ar e r el at ed t o 13 McMi l l an' s t heme, such as sand and wat er pl ay and 14 sl i des, per haps r ecal l i ng r amps and even some of t he 15 spr ay j et s, t he wat er f ount ai ns t hat wi l l be par t of 16 t he publ i c space of t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 17 Ext er i or t o t hi s ar ea i n t he par k, goi ng up 18 Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet , we have a br i dge and a sor t of 19 por t al i nt o t he par k. The Hawt hor ne t r ees of t he 20 Ol mst ed Wal k cont i nue acr oss, but on Nor t h Capi t ol 21 St r eet , you' l l be abl e t o see i nt o t he par k and see 22 t he communi t y cent er bui l di ng and see t he publ i c McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 233 1 pl aces t hat ar e par t of t hat and t he amphi t heat er . 2 So we r eal l y want Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet t o be engaged. 3 Thi s wi l l be a speci al pl ace, a speci al exper i ence. 4 But on t he ot her si de, t he f ar west si de of 5 t he par k, you' l l be abl e t o exper i ence t he vast 6 expanse of McMi l l an, t her e' s t he communi t y cent er , 7 and al so see t he r el at i onshi p of t he hi st or i c 8 el ement s t o t he par k. 9 So t hese ar e t he si l os and t he r egul at or 10 houses on t he sout h ser vi ce cour t as t hey ar e t oday. 11 They wi l l have a r el at i onshi p t o t hi s gr een space, 12 r i nged by t he space of t he Hawt hor ne t r ees and t he 13 sor t of per i met er wal k, ver y, ver y much r epr esent i ng 14 t he scal e of t hat vi ew acr oss t he si t e. And t hat 15 vi ew pr evi ousl y was about r i ght her e, l ooki ng t hi s 16 way. 17 You can see how al l t hat comes t oget her 18 wi t h t he ent r y f r omNor t h Capi t ol , t he st or mwat er , 19 t he communi t y cent er si t uat ed bot h t o navi gat e t he 20 l evel her e, engage Cel l 28, on t he l ower l evel , t he 21 communi t y cent er and engage t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . 22 I shoul d al so ment i on we ar e put t i ng back McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 234 1 t he st ai r s. Ther e wer e cor ner st ai r s t hat Ol mst ed 2 had i ncl uded t o access t he Ol mst ed Wal k, so we' r e 3 put t i ng t hose back i nt o t he pl an. 4 So t he communi t y cent er bui l di ng i s 5 concei ved of - - by 18, 000 squar e f eet - - concei ved t o 6 be ver y si mpl e geomet r y. We don' t want somet hi ng 7 t hat ' s so compl ex t hat i t compet es wi t h t he 8 l andmar ks, so i t ' s a si mpl e r ect angul ar f or m. Ther e 9 wi l l be a pool at t he l ower l evel and t hen changi ng 10 r ooms, t he l ocker r ooms opposi t e t hat and t hen al so 11 r ooms f or t he communi t y on t he second f l oor so t hey 12 can see out i nt o t he pool and out over i nt o t he par k. 13 That s t hat vi ew t hat we j ust saw. 14 The communi t y cent er al so f r ames vi ews up 15 and down, so t hi s l oggi a, you' l l be abl e t o wal k up a 16 set of st ai r s and sor t of wal k al ong, see i nt o t he 17 communi t y cent er and see out i nt o t he par k and upper 18 and l ower l evel s. The ent r y I ment i oned bef or e 19 f r ami ng i t . 20 Thi s i s a l i t t l e bi t of t he pl an. The onl y 21 t hi ng I ' l l poi nt out about t he pl an, her e s t he pool , 22 i s t he maj or way movi ng, r esol vi ng. The gr ade i s a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 235 1 r amp, whi ch r ecal l s t he r amps t hat exi st t her e t oday 2 on t he si t e. So a sect i on t hr ough t he communi t y 3 cent er , an i mpor t ant publ i c ameni t y. 4 Her e, t hi s i s t he sout h ser vi ce cour t . You 5 can see t he l ower l evel her e. You' l l be abl e t o see 6 i nt o t he cel l her e f r omt hat and t her e wi l l be 7 exhi bi t s t her e expl ai ni ng how t hat was used and what 8 you coul d see her e. And t hen t hi s shows t he l ower 9 l evel of t he par k, Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet , and how t he 10 bui l di ng i s a t wo- st or y st r uct ur e t hat navi gat es 11 bet ween t hose t wo l evel s. 12 I n t he l ower l evel her e, we' l l be usi ng 13 concr et e t o r ecal l - - t hi s i s new const r uct i on, but 14 i t r ecal l s t he f or mand t he l ower l evel s t he vaul t s 15 at McMi l l an, so i t wi l l be of McMi l l an, you wi l l know 16 i t ' s McMi l l an. 17 We have t he r egul at or houses. Ther e ar e 18 sever al di f f er ent opt i ons avai l abl e f or how t hese can 19 be r epur posed. One i s per haps pr eser vi ng t hemi n 20 t hei r hi st or i c condi t i on. A second woul d be r eusi ng 21 t hem, per haps, as a publ i c r est r oomand smal l r et ai l 22 space. They' r e r eal l y ni cel y si zed, beaut i f ul l y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 236 1 cr af t ed. They' r e ut i l i t ar i an, but t hey have a sense 2 of char act er al l t hei r own. Or t hey coul d be used 3 over al l as a r et ai l space, as wel l . 4 So t he next sl i de shows j ust how i t mi ght 5 be a cof f ee shop or somet hi ng t her e t hat coul d be 6 r eused and we t hi nk t hat t hat woul d be a gr eat way t o 7 br i ng back t he char act er i nt o t he si t e. 8 The si l os ar e per haps a t ad mor e 9 compl i cat ed i n t he sense t hat t hey have a st r uct ur e 10 i n t he cent er . The sand sat t her e and t her e was a 11 nozzl e t hat t he sand came out of . Ther e' s a ver y l ow 12 cei l i ng i nsi de t her e, not t o ment i on t he f act t hat 13 t hey wer e pour ed of a ki nd of uni f i ed concr et e 14 st r uct ur e, so adapt i ng t hemf or ot her use i s 15 somet hi ng we' r e st i l l st udyi ng. But t hey coul d be 16 used f or si t e st or age, f or ot her t hi ngs. They 17 pr esent a l i t t l e bi t mor e of a chal l enge t han t he 18 r egul at or houses, at l east as f ar as t he i nt er i or i s 19 concer ned. 20 But we do t hi nk on t he ext er i or , t hey can 21 be used t o go up and st and on t op and t ake a l ook out 22 over t he whol e si t e. And i t woul d be qui t e a l ot of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 237 1 f un t o desi gn a st ai r t o have t hat ki nd of publ i c 2 f eat ur e f or t he si t e. 3 Publ i c ar t i s a ver y i mpor t ant par t of t he 4 pl an f or McMi l l an. We have a f ai r l y r obust t axonomy 5 of opt i ons f r ompl ace wher e we t al k about how t o gi ve 6 char act er t o t he gat her i ng spaces. And t hese ar e not 7 speci f i c sl i des, t hese ar e j ust meant t o gi ve a ki nd 8 of over al l appr oach. 9 But r eusi ng some of t he mat er i al s on t he 10 si t e, pl acement s f or cont empor ar y ar t , pl acement s f or 11 i nt egr at ed st r eet scape desi gn. These wi l l al l be 12 i nt egr at ed as we devel op t he publ i c ar t pl an. 13 When you l ook at t he si t e, as wel l , and al l 14 of t he di f f er ent possi bl e oppor t uni t i es f or ar t i st i c 15 i nt er vent i on, you can see cer t ai nl y t he oppor t uni t i es 16 r el at ed t o t he nor t h and sout h ser vi ce cour t s and how 17 one woul d memor i al i ze var i ous i deas, but al l t he 18 di f f er ent pl aces t hat we' ve l i st ed, at l east 19 i ni t i al l y, t hat show oppor t uni t i es f or t hat ki nd of 20 nar r at i ve expl anat i on of what McMi l l an was about . 21 The l i ght i ng pl an. Ther e' s a l i ght i ng pl an 22 t hat i s of McMi l l an. You wi l l know you' r e i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 238 1 McMi l l an by t he l i ght i ng pl an. We have upl i ght i ng on 2 t he Hawt hor ne al l ee on t he upper l evel of t he ber m. 3 We have l i ght i ng t hat l i ght s t he ber mher e and 4 hi ghl i ght s t hat and we' l l show you a pi ct ur e of t hat . 5 I t ' s desi gned speci f i cal l y t o hi ghl i ght t he hi st or i c 6 f eat ur es, but we al so want i t t o be a saf e pl ace wi t h 7 t he l i ght i ng pl an. 8 And t hen i t ' s i mpor t ant t o get t he l i ght i ng 9 r i ght f or t he hi st or i c el ement s, so we have l i ght i ng 10 - - we' ve been st udyi ng l i ght i ng f i xt ur es t hat coul d 11 be i nst al l ed t o wash l i ght ar ound t he cyl i ndr i cal 12 shape of t he si l os and hi ghl i ght t hemas hi st or i c 13 f eat ur es. 14 So Anne showed t hi s bef or e, i t ' s one of our 15 char act er i st i c i mages of McMi l l an dur i ng t he day. We 16 have a ni ght t i me shot as wel l her e. Thi s i s a vi ew 17 showi ng t he hi ghl i ght i ng of t he Hawt hor ne t r ees 18 ar ound t he per i met er and of t he ber mt her e and how 19 t hat wi l l be exper i enced at ni ght . 20 And t hen r ecal l i ng t he r oof of t he 21 communi t y cent er and skyl i ght conf i gur at i on, 22 r ecal l i ng t he pat t er n of skyl i ght s and br i ngi ng l i ght McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 239 1 i nt o some of t he under gr ound cel l s and r eal l y 2 l i ght i ng i t i n such a way t hat i t wi l l be a beaut i f ul 3 pl ace, a pl ace t hat ' s act i ve and usef ul , a pl ace t hat 4 memor i al i zes hi st or y and a pl ace t hat br i ngs new 5 vi t al i t y t o t hi s par t of t he ci t y, not ci t ywi de. 6 So we j ust want t o cl ose wi t h a shor t vi deo 7 t hat gi ves you a sense, t hr ee- di mensi onal l y, of what 8 t he mast er pl an ent ai l s. 9 ( The wi t ness pl ays a vi deo. ) 10 THE WI TNESS: You' r e over Nor t h Capi t ol 11 St r eet her e, Nor t h Capi t ol and Channi ng. Looki ng 12 i nt o t he par k, movi ng up Nor t h Capi t ol , t he sout h 13 ser vi ce cour t . Cr eat i ng access, vi si bi l i t y. 14 A l i t t l e f ur t her nor t h, t he mul t i f ami l y 15 bui l di ngs and t he r et ai l t her e, t he bui l di ngs pushed 16 back t o gi ve you a vi ew i nt o t he hi st or i c el ement s, 17 t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t . Movi ng i nt o t he nor t h 18 ser vi ce cour t , t he r et ai l di st r i ct on a snowy day. 19 The way i n whi ch t he set back gi ves mor e space t o t he 20 hi st or i c el ement s. 21 Now we' r e t ur ni ng t o go down Hal f St r eet 22 and you' l l see t he r owhouses pi cki ng up and t he way McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 240 1 t he r hyt hmof t he r owhouses f ocuses your eye down 2 t owar ds t he hi st or i c el ement s. 3 A possi bl e use of t he sout h ser vi ce cour t 4 f or ei t her ar t i st i c f ai r s or f ar mer s mar ket s. I t ' s 5 t he ki nd of pl ace t hat can be managed and pur posed 6 f or many di f f er ent t hi ngs, r eal l y a pl ace t hat woul d 7 become an i mpor t ant par t of t he communi t y. 8 And t hen a vi ew i nt o t he communi t y cent er 9 and t he pool and t he gl ass of t he communi t y cent er 10 engagi ng t he par k out si de. And a vi ew out over t he 11 t er r ace amphi t heat er and a vi ew acr oss t he par k f r om 12 t he west . 13 So our mast er pl an i s uni que, i t ' s 14 cohesi ve, i t ' s of t he pl ace, i t ' s t r ansf or mat i ve, i t 15 br i ngs t he vi t al i t y and t he benef i t s of mi xed use 16 devel opment and oppor t uni t y t o t he ci t y, r epur posi ng 17 t he l andmar k. I t br i ngs i t al so t o t he nei ghbor hood. 18 I t ' s hi gh qual i t y and i t ' s uni quel y McMi l l an. You 19 wi l l know you' r e at McMi l l an. Thank you. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much. 21 MS. BROWN: J ust a coupl e of qui ck 22 quest i ons. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 241 1 J UDGE BYRNE: Sur e. 2 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q Mr. Bell, you went through a couple of the 4 alternatives that you studied prior to the current 5 plan and the earlier plan had more demolition of 6 historic structures, correct? 7 A That ' s cor r ect . 8 Q The berms -- 9 A Yes. 10 Q -- the Olmsted Walk. 11 A That ' s cor r ect . 12 Q Now that we are where we are, do you think 13 this project of special merit could be accomplished 14 if we demolished even fewer cells, underground cells? 15 A I t hi nk i n a pr oj ect l i ke t hi s, what you' r e 16 t r yi ng t o do i s t o bal ance t he benef i t s of t hr ee 17 t hi ngs, pr eser vat i on, open space and devel opment . 18 And i t i s t hat equi l i br i umt hat makes t hi s a speci al 19 pl an. 20 And by l ocat i ng and put t i ng t he cel l s and 21 l ocat i ng t hemwher e we have i n t he mast er pl an, i t 22 gi ves t hema ver y i mpor t ant r ol e t o pl ay i n t el l i ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 242 1 t he st or y about McMi l l an. So we t hi nk i t ' s 2 appr opr i at e and t he r i ght si ze f or McMi l l an. 3 MS. BROWN: Thank you, no mor e quest i ons. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Ms. Fer st er ? 5 MS. FERSTER: Yes, I have some quest i ons. 6 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 7 BY MS. FERSTER: 8 Q Sir, would you mind going to Slide 32? 9 A I don' t mi nd, but t he comput er seems t o be 10 havi ng i ssues. 11 Q While we're waiting, you did have some 12 mention of the preservation of Cell 14 and then 13 there's parts of Cells 28 and 29 that are being 14 preserved, is that correct? 15 A Wel l , Cel l 28, por t i ons of i t , i s par t of 16 t he exper i ence of t he l ower l evel , t he communi t y 17 cent er . Cel l 29 i s par t of t he l ower l evel par k, of 18 t he sout heast cor ner . 19 Q And Cell 14 is the cell that's going to be 20 preserved intact? 21 A Wel l , you know, as peopl e have sai d 22 pr evi ous t o me, our i nt ent i on i s t o r epur pose and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 243 1 r ei nt egr at e i t wi t h what we' r e desi gni ng. So I ' mnot 2 qui t e sur e what you mean by i nt act . 3 Q Well, I guess my question is as an 4 architect, is it your intention to preserve Cell 14? 5 A Yes, we woul d l i ke Cel l 14 t o be abl e t o 6 t el l t he st or y of McMi l l an, whet her i t ' s as Mr . 7 Met t amment i oned, you know, sor t of st abi l i zi ng i t so 8 peopl e coul d see i t bet t er and under st and i t or 9 act ual l y r epur posi ng i t , whi ch has i t s chal l enges, as 10 Mr . Leonar d has ar t i cul at ed. 11 Q And you heard Ms. Eig's testimony, that she 12 didn't think -- and do you agree that -- as I heard 13 her testimony, that she did not think it was possible 14 to preserve Cell 14. Do you agree with that 15 testimony or not? 16 A I don' t t hi nk she sai d i t was i mpossi bl e, I 17 t hi nk she sai d i t had i t s chal l enges. I t hi nk t hi s 18 t eami s ver y sober about t he chal l enges. 19 Q But do you think it can be done? 20 A We' r e goi ng t o t r y. 21 Q Okay. And do you think after you try, it 22 can be done, is it possible? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 244 1 A I f I coul d pr ognost i cat e t he f ut ur e, I 2 woul dn' t be her e, I mean do you see what I ' msayi ng? 3 I mean we' r e goi ng t o gi ve our best pr of essi onal 4 ef f or t t o maki ng t hat par t of t he McMi l l an pl an and 5 so we have made a pl an t hat al l ows t hat t o be 6 possi bl e. 7 Q Okay, but would you try if you thought it 8 were impossible to do? 9 A I f I t hought i t was i mpossi bl e, woul d I 10 t r y? I don' t t hi nk so. I t hi nk i t ' s possi bl e, yes. 11 Q Okay, thank you. All right, so here we are 12 at Slide 32. So this is the passive recreation that 13 I assume will occur on top of Cells 25 and 26, that's 14 correct? 15 A Wel l , ar en' t t hose t he ones t hat ar e bei ng 16 r emoved by D. C. Wat er ? I don' t t hi nk t hey' r e t her e 17 any mor e. 18 Q It's in that location. 19 A Yes, i t ' s i n t hat l ocat i on, yeah. 20 Q And then Cells 28 and 29 are the cells that 21 are going to be partially -- yes? 22 A Yes. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 245 1 Q And those cells are under the community 2 center. 3 A No, t hey ar e adj acent t o t he communi t y 4 cent er . I f you go t o t he sect i on, you can see - - 5 what we' r e pr oposi ng i s bei ng abl e t o see i nt o t hose 6 cel l s f r omt he l ower l evel of t he communi t y cent er . 7 Q Okay, can you go to I think it was Slide 8 20? 9 A I s t hat t he one you want ? 10 Q Yes, and actually, yeah, if you could also 11 then go to Slide 15. Yeah, so this slide shows the 12 heights of the buildings that will be basically 13 surrounding the sand towers on the north court. And 14 the views that you showed us of the sand filtration 15 site were taken from within the site. 16 A Some of t hem. 17 Q Some of them. I did not see any views in 18 your presentation that were taken outside. Were 19 there some there? 20 A Wel l , Vi ew 20 i s act ual l y acr oss Nor t h 21 Capi t ol St r eet , i t ' s not on t he si t e, t hi s one. 22 Q I guess my question would be if you're McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 246 1 standing on Michigan Avenue and you're at ground 2 level on Michigan Avenue, can you see the sand 3 filtration towers? 4 A I f you l ook down Hal f St r eet . 5 Q So you'll be able to see how many sand 6 filtration towers if you look down Half Street? 7 A Thi s i s Hal f St r eet r i ght t her e. 8 Q You'll be able to see one. 9 A Ri ght . But you pr obabl y, di agonal l y, you 10 coul d see t hese t wo, as wel l , on t he nor t h ser vi ce 11 cour t . The spaci ng i s i nt er est i ng, you know, t he 12 st r eet f i t s t hr ough t her e and so i f you' r e up her e, 13 you get t o see t hat one and t hat one, t hen you have a 14 sense of t he di st ance of t hat one. 15 Q Okay, so you could see maybe three if 16 you're standing in that location. 17 A Yeah, dependi ng on wher e you' r e st andi ng. 18 Q And if you're standing farther over on the 19 other side of Michigan Avenue, that would be in the 20 area of the hospital facility, can you see the sand 21 filtration towers from that vantage point? 22 A You mean f r omover t her e? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 247 1 Q Yes. 2 A You coul d pr obabl y see some of t hem, 3 pr obabl y t he same exper i ence. I t ' s not so ver y 4 di f f er ent f r omst andi ng her e t o st andi ng t her e. 5 Q So one and three, okay. And then I think 6 you probably would agree that the views of the towers 7 are significantly altered by the height of the 8 construction on Michigan Avenue, isn't that correct? 9 A Wel l , a one- st or y bui l di ng woul d occl ude 10 your vi ew, as wel l , r i ght ? Because i f you' r e on 11 gr ade, a one- st or y bui l di ng, you woul dn' t see i t 12 anyhow, r i ght ? 13 Q But if you moved farther away -- 14 A You st i l l woul dn' t see i t i f i t was a one- 15 st or y bui l di ng. 16 Q -- the Armed Forces Retirement Home, you 17 wouldn't see them. 18 A I don' t t hi nk I t est i f i ed t o t hat , 19 act ual l y, t he vi ew, I don' t t hi nk I t est i f i ed t o t he 20 vi ews f r omt he Ar med For ces Ret i r ement Home. 21 Q Okay, that's fine. I'll be happy to ask 22 that question of somebody else. Okay, so there was a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 248 1 slide that you showed of the Columbia Heights 2 development and I didn't jot down what number it was. 3 Here we go. Okay, and you said that this was similar 4 to Columbia Heights. 5 A I di dn' t say t hat . 6 Q In some ways. 7 A No, what I sai d was I want t o gi ve a sense 8 of a compar at i ve t r ansf or mat i ve devel opment . I sai d 9 essent i al l y, t he pr oj ect i s not goi ng t o be l i ke 10 Col umbi a Hei ght s, i t ' l l be l i ke McMi l l an. 11 Q Mm-hmm, okay. 12 A What I was t r yi ng t o do was gi ve a 13 r ef er ence t o scal e t her e so t hat peopl e coul d 14 under st and, you know, i n t hi s hear i ng t he si ze of 15 McMi l l an r el at i ve t o t hat and t he ext ent t o whi ch 16 t hat has been a ver y posi t i ve t r ansf or mat i on i n t he 17 ci t y. 18 Q And wouldn't you agree that a very 19 significant difference between the Columbia Heights 20 development and the McMillan development is that 21 Columbia Heights has a Metrorail station near there 22 and McMillan has a Metrorail station that is more McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 249 1 than one mile away? 2 A I can' t change t he l ocat i on of t hat , t hey 3 ar e di f f er ent . I know t her e i s Met r o at Col umbi a 4 Hei ght s and t her e i s not at McMi l l an. 5 Q And just a question about -- and I know you 6 were probably a little facetious when you made that 7 comment about jaywalking, but I feel that -- 8 A Act ual l y, no, but go ahead. 9 Q Because it gave me some concern. If you go 10 back to your slide where you show the picture of the 11 stairs that you are reconstructing to the park 12 area -- 13 A Yes. 14 Q -- are you really encouraging jaywalking on 15 North Capitol Street? 16 A Not i n t hat l ocat i on, no, not i n t hat 17 l ocat i on. What I meant , i f I coul d cl ar i f y, what I 18 meant was i n a r et ai l di st r i ct peopl e need t o f eel 19 comf or t abl e t hat t hey can cr oss t he st r eet s. And on 20 t he nor t h ser vi ce cour t , I t hi nk t hat ' s what we' r e 21 goi ng t o have. 22 I don' t t hi nk we' r e goi ng t o have t he same McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 250 1 si t uat i on on Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet . I t hi nk Nor t h 2 Capi t ol St r eet woul d be si gni f i cant l y i mpr oved, but I 3 t hi nk what we' r e l ooki ng f or on t he nor t h ser vi ce 4 cour t i s t hat ki nd of act i vi t y. 5 Q Okay, but you are assuming that people in 6 the neighborhood are going to use this park and you 7 are aware of the fact that this site is going to 8 generate approximately 31,500 weekday trips. So is 9 there any concern on your part for the accessibility 10 to this park for the people in the neighborhoods, 11 given the traffic levels that are going to be seen on 12 those streets? 13 A No. 14 Q And why is that? 15 A Because I ' ve met a l ot of peopl e i n t he 16 nei ghbor hood, t hey seeml i ke t hey know how t o cr oss 17 t he st r eet . So I t hi nk i t ' s a nor mal cr ossi ng of t he 18 st r eet , when t he l i ght changes and t her e' s an 19 oppor t uni t y t o get i n t he cr osswal k, t hey' l l do i t . 20 Q And is there a light at the corner of 21 Channing and -- 22 A Today, I t hi nk t her e i s. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 251 1 Q -- that First Street? 2 A Yeah, t her e i s t oday. Ther e i s t oday, yes. 3 Q There is a light at the corner of Channing 4 and First Street? 5 A No, i t ' s Nor t h Capi t ol , t her e i s. 6 MS. BROWN: You know, he di dn' t t est i f y t o 7 t r anspor t at i on i ssues, so I t hi nk he coul d answer t he 8 quest i on as best he can, but he' s pr obabl y not t he 9 r i ght per son t o ask. 10 THE WI TNESS: I t hi nk our accessi bi l i t y i s 11 f i ne. 12 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 13 Q And perhaps, I'm just wondering if that's 14 one of the reasons why you feel that people can 15 jaywalk successfully, is that the traffic might be a 16 gridlock in the area, given the level of traffic? 17 MS. BROWN: Obj ect i on. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: No, no, no. 19 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 20 Q No, that wasn't a reason. 21 MS. BROWN: Obj ect i on. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Obj ect i on sust ai ned. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 252 1 MS. FERSTER: I coul dn' t r esi st . 2 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q I have just a couple of questions about the 4 community center. So this is an aspect of the 5 project that will be accessible to the neighbors and 6 will it be owned by the developer, a developer, 7 privately owned? 8 A I coul dn' t t est i f y t o t hat , I t hi nk we have 9 some peopl e who' l l be cl ar i f yi ng t hat af t er me. 10 Q Which witness will that be? 11 A Aakash. 12 MS. FERSTER: Okay, t hen I ' mdone, t hank 13 you. 14 MS. MERRI TT: I have j ust a coupl e of 15 quest i ons. 16 BY MS. MERRI TT: 17 Q Could you tell us -- this is related to the 18 jaywalking comments. Could you tell us what the 19 projected average daily traffic levels are on that 20 north court street? 21 MS. BROWN: Obj ect i on, he i s not t est i f yi ng 22 t o t r af f i c and t r anspor t at i on. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 253 1 MS. MERRI TT: He t al ked about j aywal ki ng, 2 t hat ' s what i t was a r esul t of . 3 MS. BROWN: J aywal ki ng doesn' t necessar i l y 4 i mpl y vol umes of how many peopl e ar e goi ng t o be 5 goi ng t her e. 6 MS. MERRI TT: Okay, I can ask anot her 7 wi t ness. 8 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 9 Q There was a map that you showed, I think it 10 was early on, and it was when you were talking about 11 the evolution of the plan. And it showed that at one 12 point, Cell 20 would be focused on as a potential 13 cell for preservation over on the First Street side. 14 Why was that plan changed and why was Cell 20 no 15 longer decided for participation? 16 A Wel l , as I ment i oned bef or e, wi t h your 17 mast er pl an, you' r e t r yi ng t o bal ance a l ot of 18 di f f er ent t hi ngs. We f el t t hat a par k on t he 19 sout her n si de of t he sout h ser vi ce cour t achi eved a 20 number of i mpor t ant obj ect i ves. Number one, i t gave 21 t he communi t y a bi gger par k, whi ch t hey want ed. They 22 obj ect ed t o t hat pl an because t hey f el t t he par k was McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 254 1 t oo smal l , number one. 2 Number t wo, by put t i ng t he par k on t he 3 sout h si de of t he pl an, we coul d have t he most 4 dr amat i c r endi t i on of t he ber m. So t he ber mi s most 5 acut e and, you know, t al l est on t he sout h si de. 6 So by vi r t ue of t hose t wo t hi ngs, we f el t 7 t hat i t woul d be appr opr i at e t o l ook at a cel l t o 8 r et ai n ot her t han Cel l 20 and use one of t he cel l s 9 t hat was par t of t hat par k st r uct ur e. So we f el t 10 t hat i t sat i sf i ed a number of t hi ngs at once. 11 Q Could you turn to the slide that showed -- 12 I think it's 36 and 37, it showed what you're talking 13 about? Yes, this is what you were referring to? 14 A I t hi nk so. Thi s i s a por t i on of Cel l 20. 15 We wer e showi ng i t s r el at i onshi p t o t he gr ound l evel 16 of t he communi t y bui l di ng. 17 Q So am I correct in understanding from your 18 presentation today that there would be no public 19 access to the underground cell, the preserved cell. 20 People would look through the window at it. Is that 21 what you're describing? 22 A No, I t hi nk what we' r e sayi ng i s exact l y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 255 1 what Mr . Met t amsai d, whi ch i s t hat we wi l l be 2 l ooki ng at a var i et y of opt i ons f r omwhat you j ust 3 descr i bed l ooki ng at t o access. And we' r e goi ng t o 4 have t o eval uat e t hat and see how t o make t hose 5 t hi ngs possi bl e. 6 Q Okay, I was just trying to interpret your 7 slide because it didn't show any human figures in the 8 portion that's called "Preserved Cell," and I didn't 9 know whether that was part of the goal or whether 10 part of the goal was to preserve it to look through 11 the window. 12 A I di dn' t hear a quest i on. 13 Q Is the goal to try to preserve it to the 14 point that people could actually access it from the 15 lower level of the community center? 16 A I t hi nk t he goal r i ght now i s f or us t o 17 eval uat e and see what t he opt i ons ar e. The mast er 18 pl an cal l s f or i t i n t hat l ocat i on, so t hat we have 19 t hat as an opt i on avai l abl e t o us. 20 Q Am I correct in understanding this diagram 21 to show, to mean that the lower level of the 22 community center would not represent a preserved cell McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 256 1 or preserved cells, it would be excavated and built 2 as a new structure? Is that correct? 3 A Let me see i f I can cl ar i f y. Thi s i s new 4 const r uct i on at t he l ower l evel of t he communi t y 5 cent er . 6 Q Okay. 7 A Thi s i s t he pr eser ved cel l - - 8 Q Yes. 9 A - - showi ng sever al bays of i t . So I t hi nk 10 t he i dea t hat we wer e seeki ng her e wi t h t he 11 ar chi t ect ur e was t o have an ar chi t ect ur e of t he l ower 12 l evel of t he communi t y cent er t hat was sympat het i c 13 wi t h t he ar ches of t he pr eser ved cel l s, so i t ' s not 14 t he pr eser ved cel l . 15 Q Thank you, that's exactly what my question 16 was directed to. In Cell 29, will there be any -- 17 it's designated as a partial preservation cell. Will 18 there be any -- what will be preserved, let's put it 19 that way? 20 A Ri ght now, t he l andscape ar chi t ect ur e pl an 21 f or t hat cal l s f or t hat cel l t o par t of t he gar den 22 and por t i ons of i t t o be engaged wi t h t hat gar den. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 257 1 We' ve got t en t o a concept pl an f or t hat t hat doesn' t 2 necessar i l y speci f y exact l y what ' s goi ng t o be 3 pr eser ved, but t he i dea i s t o have t hat as a ki nd of 4 anot her way i n whi ch t hese cel l s coul d be 5 exper i enced. 6 Q Would there be, is there an intention to 7 preserve anything overhead or solely the bottom of 8 the cells? I think there was a slide on something. 9 A Yeah, go t o t he pl an bl ow- up t her e. Wel l , 10 t he way t hi s i s desi gned i s t hat i t mi ght be possi bl e 11 t o pr eser ve some aspect s of t hat al ong her e, but 12 excavat i ng al l of t hat t o t he l ower l evel r ai n gar den 13 i s what t hi s concept pl an pr oposes. I t hi nk i t ' s 14 f ai r t o say at t hi s poi nt i n our concept desi gn, we 15 woul d l i ke t o i nt egr at e por t i ons of t hat cel l i nt o 16 t he par k desi gn. 17 Q Okay, so just the bottom of the cell. 18 A Yes. 19 Q One of the earlier witnesses said that the 20 footprint of the community center would not overlap 21 with Cell 28. That's not right, is it? Because it 22 looks on this map like it does overlap. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 258 1 A That ' s al l new const r uct i on and t hat ' s a 2 por t i on of Cel l 28. I t woul d be vi si bl e f r omi nsi de 3 t he communi t y cent er . 4 Q So the community center footprint would be 5 located within the footprint of what is now Cell 28. 6 A A por t i on of i t , a por t i on of i t . 7 MS. MERRI TT: Thank you, I don' t have any 8 f ur t her quest i ons. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you have any i mages of t he 10 pl an f r omt he nor t h, f r omMi chi gan Avenue? 11 THE WI TNESS: You mean per spect i ve i mages 12 f r omMi chi gan? 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Yes. 14 THE WI TNESS: We do, we have per spect i ve 15 i mages. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk act ual l y, t hey' r e i n 17 t he book. 18 THE WI TNESS: Yes, I di dn' t i ncl ude t hem 19 t oday, but we do have t hem. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Wel l , I ' mokay, t hey' r e 21 t her e, so t hat ' s i n t he r ecor d, I ' l l l ook at t hat . 22 Okay, t hat ' s al l I have. Thank you ver y much. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 259 1 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 2 MS. BROWN: Next , we' d l i ke t o cal l Adam 3 Weer s f r omTr ammel Cr ow. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Bef or e you do, bef or e you do, 5 so i t ' s evi dent t hat we' r e goi ng t o have a 6 cont i nuat i on and I t hought t hat i t mi ght be good t o 7 di scuss when we can have a cont i nuat i on and maybe 8 t ake a shor t br eak so t hat peopl e can check t hei r 9 cal endar s and t hi ngs. 10 The Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Of f i ce i s a 11 l i t t l e bi t l i ke Amt r ak, whi ch r uns on f r ei ght l i nes, 12 and so t hi s r oomi s onl y avai l abl e on cer t ai n dat es 13 and I ' monl y avai l abl e on cer t ai n dat es. So t he t wo 14 dat es t hat we' r e t hi nki ng of ar e Fr i day, Oct ober 15 24t h, or Monday, November 3d. 16 MS. FERSTER: I ' mi n a t r i al on Oct ober 17 24t h, commi t t ed t he ent i r e mor ni ng t o possi bl y i nt o 18 t he af t er noon. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Let ' s t ake a f i ve- mi nut e 20 br eak her e, i n any event , and you f ol ks can check 21 your cal endar s and see. 22 ( Wher eupon, a br i ef r ecess i s t aken. ) McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 260 1 J UDGE BYRNE: So how does November 3d wor k, 2 doabl e? 3 MS. BROWN: November 3d wor ks f or VMP. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, gr eat . Okay, t hank 5 you. 6 MS. FERSTER: So l et ' s get some 7 cl ar i f i cat i on because we have wi t nesses t hat I f eel 8 woul d l i ke t o l eave r i ght now i f , i n f act , our case 9 i s not goi ng t o go on t oday. I s t hat saf e t o say? 10 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk we can do t hat 11 because we can t hen compl et e t he Appl i cant s' case and 12 we can hear f r omMr . Cal cot t . Ar e t her e ANC f ol ks 13 her e t o speak? 14 MS. BARNES: Yes. 15 J UDGE BYRNE: So maybe we can do t hat , as 16 wel l , and t hen we can st ar t your case at t hat t i me. 17 MS. BROWN: And Mr . Byr ne, i t shoul d j ust 18 be t he peopl e t hat ar e i n t he r oomt oday t hat ar e 19 al l owed t o come back, as opposed t o new peopl e 20 showi ng up. 21 MS. FERSTER: No, I - - 22 J UDGE BYRNE: No, I don' t t hi nk t hat ' s t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 261 1 case. We won' t al l ow any mor e par t i es or anyt hi ng 2 l i ke t hat , but she hasn' t gi ven a l i st of her 3 wi t nesses. 4 MS. FERSTER: I have not and I ' mnot 5 r equi r ed t o do t hat . 6 J UDGE BYRNE: So I t hi nk we coul d al l ow - - 7 MS. BROWN: I mean t he publ i c. 8 J UDGE BYRNE: The publ i c? No, i t ' s an open 9 event . 10 MS. BROWN: I ' mj ust used t o ot her 11 pr oceedi ngs wher e t hey set t he par amet er s - - 12 J UDGE BYRNE: No, her e, i t ' s mor e i nf or mal . 13 Okay, so when Mr . Bank comes back, we' l l set t l e, 14 we' l l get t he r oomset and we' l l do i t 9: 30 agai n so 15 we make sur e we get done t hat day and t hen we' l l be 16 r eady t o vot e. 17 MS. BROWN: Our next wi t ness i s AdamWeer s 18 f r omt he Tr ammel Cr ow Company. 19 Wher eupon, 20 ADAM WEERS 21 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 22 f ol l ows: McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 262 1 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 2 BY MS. BROWN: 3 Q And Adam, could you please introduce 4 yourself? 5 A Good af t er noon. My name i s AdamWeer s, I 6 ama pr i nci pal wi t h Tr ammel Cr ow Company. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: So t her e s no - - 8 MS. BROWN: He' s not qual i f i ed as - - 9 J UDGE BYRNE: He' s not qual i f i ed as a 10 wi t ness. Okay, ver y good. You' r e goi ng t o be 11 t al ki ng about - - 12 THE WI TNESS: Some t hought s speci f i cal l y 13 about t he heal t h car e f aci l i t i es and t he speci al 14 mer i t of t he publ i c benef i t s i ncl uded wi t h t he heal t h 15 car e f aci l i t i es. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: Excel l ent . 17 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 18 Q And could you clarify, Trammel Crow is the 19 developer of the health care facilities? 20 A That ' s cor r ect , so we ar e one of t he t hr ee 21 member s of Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s and we ar e t he 22 devel oper of t he heal t h car e f aci l i t i es. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 263 1 MS. FERSTER: You' r e t he devel oper of t he 2 what ? 3 THE WI TNESS: The t hr ee heal t h car e 4 f aci l i t i es. 5
6 THE WI TNESS: Tr ammel Cr ow Company i s one 7 of t he l ar gest and most successf ul commer ci al r eal 8 est at e devel oper s i n t he nat i on. Our devel opment 9 pl at f or mi s ver y di ver se, cover i ng mul t i pl e pr oduct 10 t ypes. I n r ecent year s, heal t h car e has become one 11 of our most i mpor t ant and f ast est gr owi ng component s. 12 Ear l i er t hi s year , we wer e r anked t he 13 number one heal t h car e devel oper i n t he count r y by 14 Moder n Heal t h Car e Magazi ne and nat i onwi de, we have 15 $4. 3 bi l l i on of heal t h car e devel opment s compl et ed or 16 i n pr ocess. 17 The nat i onal l eader of our heal t h car e 18 pl at f or m, Er i c Fi sher , i s al so a Di st r i ct r esi dent 19 and he has wor ked wi t h me on t hi s i ni t i at i ve si nce 20 day one. 21 Fr omt he begi nni ng, our t eamhas vi ewed 22 McMi l l an as an i ncr edi bl e heal t h car e devel opment McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 264 1 oppor t uni t y. Heal t h car e devel opment i n t he Di st r i ct 2 has a uni que set of dr i ver s f or what makes a 3 par t i cul ar l ocat i on desi r abl e. 4 Wher e ot her t ypes of devel opment s l ook f or 5 empl oyment cent er s or popul at i on densi t y, what 6 at t r act s heal t h car e devel opment i n t hi s ci t y i s 7 pr oxi mi t y t o hospi t al s. Thi s map i l l ust r at es t hat 8 poi nt wi t h ci r cl es i ndi cat i ng t he concent r at i on of 9 heal t h car e f ocused r eal est at e. The l ar ger t he 10 ci r cl e, t he hi gher t he concent r at i on. 11 The bl ue ci r cl es r epr esent t he Di st r i ct ' s 12 hospi t al s and t he l ar ge yel l ow dot at t he cent er of 13 t he map r epr esent s t he t hr ee and a hal f mi l l i on 14 squar e f eet of hospi t al s l ocat ed at t he i nt er sect i on 15 of Mi chi gan and Nor t h Capi t ol . 16 McMi l l an i s di r ect l y adj acent t o t he 17 l ar gest concent r at i on of hospi t al s i n t he Di st r i ct of 18 Col umbi a, i n t he Washi ngt on Hospi t al Cent er and 19 Nat i onal Rehab. , Chi l dr en' s Nat i onal Medi cal Cent er 20 and t he VA. The si t e i s l ess t han a mi l e and a hal f 21 f r omt wo addi t i onal hospi t al s i n Howar d Uni ver si t y 22 and Pr ovi dence. When vi ewed f r omt hi s per spect i ve, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 265 1 McMi l l an i s, i n our opi ni on, t he si ngl e most 2 desi r abl e heal t h car e devel opment si t e i n t hi s ci t y. 3 Our st r at egy f or McMi l l an was bol st er ed i n 4 November 2012 when t he Mayor publ i shed hi s f i ve- year 5 economi c devel opment st r at egy f or t he Di st r i ct , a 6 f oundat i onal component of whi ch was t o f aci l i t at e t he 7 devel opment of a best i n cl ass gl obal medi cal cent er 8 at McMi l l an. 9 The pr i mar y goal s f or t hi s maj or i ni t i at i ve 10 i ncl uded est abl i shi ng a medi cal hub t hat br i ngs 11 t oget her ar ea hospi t al s and r esear ch i nst i t ut i ons and 12 l ever agi ng t hose anchor i nst i t ut i ons as i mpet us f or 13 gr owi ng t he l ocal near by economy. 14 I n addi t i on t o hel pi ng t o suppor t and 15 expand t he Di st r i ct ' s heal t h car e sect or , l ocat i ng 16 t he epi cent er of t hi s i ni t i at i ve at McMi l l an has t he 17 pot ent i al f or not onl y si gni f i cant economi c 18 devel opment i mpact s on t he sur r oundi ng communi t i es, 19 but f or si gni f i cant publ i c heal t h i mpact s as wel l . 20 J ani ce Posey, wi t h t he Of f i ce of t he Deput y 21 Mayor f or Pl anni ng and Economi c Devel opment and t he 22 pr oj ect manager f or t hei r hi gher educat i on and heal t h McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 266 1 car e sect or s, t est i f i ed t o t hi s at a McMi l l an zoni ng 2 hear i ng, not i ng t hat , quot e, " Di abet es i s t he number 3 si x cause of deat h i n D. C. and number seven l eadi ng 4 cause of hospi t al i zat i on. Di abet es i n War d 5 af f ect s 5 12. 5 per cent of t he popul at i on, t he second hi ghest 6 r at e i n t he Di st r i ct . I ndeed, War d 5 account s f or 21 7 per cent of al l Di st r i ct deat hs due t o di abet es. 8 Addi t i onal l y, War d 5 has t he t hi r d hi ghest obesi t y 9 r at e i n t he ci t y. 10 " The Di st r i ct suppor t s heal t h car e 11 devel opment at McMi l l an as a way t o encour age venues 12 and spaces f or r evol ut i onar y advances i n medi cal 13 t r eat ment f or chr oni c di seases. I n t hi s way, 14 McMi l l an i s about mor e t han j ust t he r eal est at e. I t 15 i s a pl ace t hat gener at es heal t hy out comes f or t he 16 War d 5 communi t y and t he Di st r i ct , as a whol e, " 17 unquot e. 18 As had been f r equent l y r epor t ed, t he 19 physi cal pl ant of many of t he Di st r i ct ' s heal t h car e 20 pr ovi der s and hospi t al f aci l i t i es, even some of i t s 21 most successf ul oper at or s, ar e si gni f i cant l y aged, 22 out dat ed and i nef f i ci ent . Thi s out dat ed McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 267 1 i nf r ast r uct ur e cr eat es t r emendous i nef f i ci ences and 2 as a r esul t , can cr eat e ext r eme f i nanci al pr essur es. 3 However , because of t he compl ex and 4 i ncr edi bl y demandi ng uses of t hese bui l di ngs, maj or 5 upgr ades and i mpr ovement s t o t hese f aci l i t i es can 6 of t en be cost pr ohi bi t i ve, i f not downr i ght 7 i mpossi bl e. 8 The cr eat i on of appr oxi mat el y one mi l l i on 9 new squar e f eet of cut t i ng edge heal t h car e del i ver y, 10 r esear ch and admi ni st r at i on space wi l l have a hugel y 11 posi t i ve i mpact on t he abi l i t y of sever al of t he 12 Di st r i ct ' s l eadi ng heal t h car e pr ovi der s t o del i ver 13 car e t o cust omer s mor e ef f i ci ent l y and ef f ect i vel y, 14 t her eby posi t i vel y i mpact i ng t he heal t h car e syst em 15 of t he ci t y as a whol e. 16 Much of our vi si on f or how i mpact f ul 17 McMi l l an can be was di r ect l y i nf or med by r esear ch we 18 per f or med on 17 di f f er ent medi cal di st r i ct s acr oss 19 t he count r y. The heal t h car e component of McMi l l an 20 i s cl ear l y i t s economi c engi ne, gener at i ng t he bul k 21 of our pr oj ect ' s 3, 200 per manent j obs and near l y $1 22 bi l l i on i n f i scal i mpact . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 268 1 I n st udyi ng medi cal di st r i ct s f r omBost on 2 t o Houst on t o Chi cago, we have f ound exampl es of 3 ci t i es t hat have capi t al i zed on l ar ge concent r at i ons 4 of heal t h car e i nst i t ut i ons by encour agi ng f or mal 5 medi cal di st r i ct s t hat ar e now gener at i ng economi c 6 act i vi t y i n ar eas l i ke t ax r evenues, empl oyment and 7 r esear ch f undi ng t hat have dr amat i c i mpact s. 8 By way of compar i son, t he Longwood Medi cal 9 Ar ea i n Bost on, whi ch i s home t o si x hospi t al and 10 r esear ch i nst i t ut i ons, as wel l as sever al educat i onal 11 syst ems, i s about t wi ce as l ar ge as what an 12 equi val ent medi cal di st r i ct at McMi l l an coul d be. 13 I n 2011, Longwood publ i shed r esear ch 14 showi ng a combi ned economi c i mpact , i ncl udi ng t hat i t 15 empl oys appr oxi mat el y 43, 000 peopl e, sees an annual 16 aver age of 8, 800 j ob openi ngs, gener at es an aver age 17 of 1, 200 net new j obs each year and pr oduces 18 appr oxi mat el y $113 mi l l i on i n annual t ax r evenues f or 19 t he st at e of Massachuset t s. 20 The medi cal di st r i ct s we r esear ched have a 21 f ew key el ement s i n common, i ncl udi ng t he combi nat i on 22 of hospi t al syst ems, uni ver si t i es and r esear ch McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 269 1 i nst i t ut i ons. Al l of t hese i ngr edi ent s cur r ent l y 2 exi st al ong t he Mi chi gan Avenue cor r i dor . 3 Despi t e t he exi st i ng base at t he Hospi t al 4 Cent er , a medi cal di st r i ct i n D. C. has not spr out ed 5 or gani cal l y so f ar . The addi t i on of one mi l l i on new 6 squar e f eet of heal t h car e densi t y at McMi l l an i s a 7 huge st ep i n t hi s di r ect i on and VMP i s al r eady i n 8 di scussi ons wi t h t he Di st r i ct gover nment t o begi n t he 9 f or mal pr ocess of cr eat i ng a medi cal di st r i ct at 10 McMi l l an. 11 Hi st or i cal l y, l ar ge scal e heal t h car e 12 pr oj ect s acr oss t he count r y have been devel oped by 13 pl aci ng l ar ge, spr awl i ng compl exes on ver y l ar ge l and 14 par cel s. You can see t hi s phenomenon l ocal l y i n 15 f aci l i t i es l i ke t he Uni t ed Medi cal Cent er and 16 Pr ovi dence Hospi t al . 17 Successf ul heal t h car e devel opment pr oj ect s 18 bei ng bui l t t oday i ncl ude many mor e smar t gr owt h 19 pr i nci pl es, l i ke t al l er bui l di ngs, smal l er f oot pr i nt s 20 and under gr ound par ki ng when possi bl e. I ncor por at i ng 21 t hese new f aci l i t i es i nt o mi xed use pr oj ect s wi t h 22 r i ch ameni t y bases has become i ncr easi ngl y i mpor t ant McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 270 1 t o a pr oj ect ' s success. A new f aci l i t y can pr ovi de 2 many benef i t s t o a heal t h car e syst em, i ncl udi ng 3 oper at i onal ef f i ci ency and cost r educt i ons. 4 But syst ems occupyi ng mor e smar t l y desi gned 5 f aci l i t i es ar e f i ndi ng t hat t hei r bui l di ng can al so 6 assi st i n at t r act i ng and r et ai ni ng t op f l i ght human 7 capi t al . Vi br ant wor k envi r onment s at t r act t al ent , 8 whi ch gi ves an empl oyer a si gni f i cant compet i t i ve 9 advant age. 10 A gr eat l ocal exampl e of t hi s can be seen 11 at G. W. Hospi t al , whi ch has i nt egr at ed i nt o a 12 t hr i vi ng mi xed use envi r onment and i s seei ng posi t i ve 13 ef f ect s f r omt hei r empl oyee base as a r esul t . 14 We' ve i ncor por at ed many of our l essons 15 l ear ned i nt o t he f aci l i t i es l ocat ed at McMi l l an. By 16 usi ng hei ght t o r educe t he bui l di ng f oot pr i nt and 17 pl aci ng t he gar age under gr ound, we ar e squeezi ng 18 ar ound 840, 000 squar e f eet i nt o l ess t han f our acr es. 19 The bui l di ng' s f i nal conf i gur at i on has been as much 20 i nf l uenced by t he McMi l l an si t e cont ext and by 21 communi t y i nput as i t has smar t gr owt h pr i nci pl es. 22 We pushed back our bui l di ng f r omNor t h McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 271 1 Capi t ol t o pr eser ve bot h Cel l 14 and a speci al vi ew 2 i nt o t he si t e, t her eby cr eat i ng a 260- f oot buf f er on 3 t he east er n si de of t he si t e bet ween t he bui l di ng and 4 our r esi dent i al nei ghbor s i n St r onghol d t o t he east . 5 The buf f er i s t wo and a hal f t i mes t he hei ght of t he 6 bui l di ng. 7 And heal i ng gar dens can be t r aced back t o a 8 sal on sessi on at Bi g Bear Caf e, wher e a communi t y 9 member asked us poi nt bl ank i f we woul d shr i nk our 10 bui l di ng f oot pr i nt even f ur t her t o make r oomf or 11 addi t i onal gr een space, whi ch we di d. 12 The mi xed use nat ur e of McMi l l an i s 13 di st i nct i ve, not onl y i ncor por at i ng housi ng and 14 r et ai l opt i ons, whi ch ar e pr ovi ng i ncr edi bl y 15 at t r act i ve t o pot ent i al t enant s, but al so pr ovi des 16 di r ect adj acency t o a t r emendous par k syst emand 17 pr eser vat i on asset s. 18 One of t he most si gni f i cant aspect s of t he 19 heal t h car e component of McMi l l an i s t he del i ber at e 20 and compr ehensi ve wor kf or ce devel opment pr ogr am, a 21 maj or component of our br oad set of publ i c benef i t s. 22 One of t he advant ages of t he j ob cr eat i on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 272 1 at McMi l l an i s t hat t he maj or i t y of t he per manent 2 j obs cr eat ed ar e wi t hi n t he heal t h car e spher e. 3 Heal t h car e j obs r epr esent a di ver se set of opt i ons 4 f or Di st r i ct r esi dent s f r oma wi de r ange of 5 backgr ounds. 6 Fr omhome heal t h ai des and EMTs t o 7 r esear cher s and physi ci ans, car eer s i n heal t h of f er a 8 var i et y of ent r y poi nt s t o r esi dent s wi t h advanced 9 degr ees, as wel l as t hose wi t h hi gh school di pl omas 10 and equi val anci es. 11 Whet her one i s among t he unempl oyed 12 popul at i on or si mpl y t r ansi t i oni ng f r omanot her 13 i ndust r y, heal t h car e pr ovi des many at t r act i ve car eer 14 pat hs and oppor t uni t i es. But many of t hese 15 oppor t uni t i es r equi r e educat i on and t r ai ni ng pr ogr ams 16 t hat t ake t i me. We need t o get st ar t ed r i ght away 17 f or f aci l i t i es t hat wi l l open i n 2018. 18 McMi l l an i s pr oj ect ed t o gener at e mor e t han 19 6, 000 j obs, about hal f of whi ch wi l l be per manent 20 posi t i ons i n t he heal t h car e and r et ai l i ndust r i es. 21 J ob cr eat i on of t hi s magni t ude f or any pr oj ect i s 22 r ar el y seen, but t o br i ng t hi s ki nd of empl oyment McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 273 1 i mpact t o a war d wher e unempl oyment i s st i l l hover i ng 2 at near l y 12 per cent i s pr i cel ess. 3 To many of t hese 5, 000 unempl oyed War d 5 4 r esi dent s st r uggl i ng t o make t hei r way i n an economy 5 t hat i s not r ecover i ng as qui ckl y or as evenl y as 6 many of us woul d l i ke, access t o an oppor t uni t y l i ke 7 McMi l l an coul d be l i f e changi ng. 8 VMP has commi t t ed t o f undi ng $1 mi l l i on t o 9 f aci l i t at e wor kf or ce devel opment i ni t i at i ves and 10 schol ar shi p pr ogr ams f or Di st r i ct r esi dent s and 11 r esi dent s of t he sur r oundi ng War d 5 communi t i es. We 12 have devel oped a compr ehensi ve st r at egy, i n 13 conj unct i on wi t h t he Communi t y Foundat i on of t he 14 Nat i onal Capi t al Regi on, t o di r ect t hese f unds 15 t owar ds t r ai ni ng, appr ent i ceshi ps and j ob f ai r s f or 16 bot h t he const r uct i on and t he per manent j obs 17 gener at ed by t hi s si t e. 18 We ar e exci t ed about t he possi bi l i t i es t hi s 19 pr oj ect cr eat es and we bel i eve t hat by coor di nat i ng 20 our ef f or t s wi t h l eader s i n t he Di st r i ct gover nment , 21 agency heads, as wel l as counci l member s and t he 22 Mayor , wor kf or ce devel opment and j ob pr epar at i on at McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 274 1 McMi l l an can be a t r ue pr i or i t y f or t hi s ci t y. 2 Whi l e t her e ar e many power f ul aspect s t o 3 t he McMi l l an pr oj ect , t he heal t h car e component i s 4 i t s economi c engi ne and, i ndeed, i t s hear t . We have 5 spent much of our f ocus and ener gy st r i vi ng t o shape 6 McMi l l an i nt o one of t he l ar gest and most i nnovat i ve 7 devel opment s f ocused on hi st or y, heal t h and wel l ness 8 t hat t he Di st r i ct has ever seen. 9 For t he past si x year s, we have wor ked 10 cl osel y and col l abor at i vel y wi t h t he l eader shi p t eams 11 at heal t h car e syst ems t hr oughout t he r egi on, 12 i ncl udi ng MedSt ar , Chi l dr en' s Nat i onal Medi cal 13 Cent er , t he VA and J ohns Hopki ns. Thi s mar ket 14 f eedback has been combi ned wi t h TCC' s exi st i ng 15 knowl edge base as t he l ar gest heal t h car e devel oper 16 i n t he nat i on and t hen pour ed i nt o t he desi gn of 17 t hese f aci l i t i es as much as possi bl e. 18 Wi t h near l y one mi l l i on squar e f eet of 19 heal t h car e f aci l i t i es, t he cur r ent pl an encour ages 20 unpr ecedent ed gr owt h of one of t he Di st r i ct ' s most 21 i mpor t ant i ndust r i es and empl oyment bases. Si nce 22 2008, we have had count l ess meet i ngs wi t h t he seni or McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 275 1 l eader shi p t eams of mul t i pl e heal t h car e syst ems t o 2 di scuss t hei r occupancy i n t hi s pr oj ect . Sever al of 3 t hose conver sat i ons ar e st i l l ongoi ng and t he 4 advant ages of t hemoccupyi ng t hese new f aci l i t i es i s 5 becomi ng abundant l y cl ear . 6 A r edevel oped McMi l l an can, as i t once di d 7 mor e t han a cent ur y ago, ser ve as a vehi cl e f or t he 8 Di st r i ct ' s gr owt h, expansi on and bet t er ment . Thi s 9 new ver si on of McMi l l an wi l l pl ay a cr i t i cal r ol e i n 10 i mpr ovi ng publ i c heal t h by al l owi ng f or t he expansi on 11 and r ei nt egr at i on of some of t he same Washi ngt on 12 Hospi t al Cent er occupant s t hat i t s or i gi nal 13 i ncar nat i on hel ped t o cr eat e and suppor t . 14 The new McMi l l an wi l l agai n spur t he 15 cr eat i on of new, much needed housi ng f or a gr owi ng 16 and expandi ng set of Di st r i ct r esi dent s and t he new 17 McMi l l an woul d del i ver one of t he l ar gest and most 18 amazi ng par k syst ems t he Di st r i ct has ever seen, a 19 nod t o i t s hi st or i c and not abl e publ i c space her i t age 20 and i n a way t hat pays homage and honor t o t he past , 21 pr esent and f ut ur e r esi dent s of t he nei ghbor i ng 22 sur r oundi ng si t es. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 276 1 That concl udes my t est i mony. Thank you 2 ver y much. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much. 4 BY MS. BROWN: ( Resumi ng) 5 Q I have one quick question for Mr. Weers. 6 You mentioned that you're talking to a lot of health 7 industry leaders about tenancy in the buildings. 8 Would one of those potential tenants actually sign a 9 lease or a letter of intent this early in the process 10 or is that something that's usually completed after 11 the entitlement process? 12 THE WI TNESS: Def i ni t el y compl et ed af t er 13 t he ent i t l ement pr ocess. The f eedback we have 14 r ecei ved f r omever y syst emi s t hey wi l l not si gn a 15 l ease commi t ment f or a pr oj ect t hat doesn' t have 16 ent i t l ement s yet . 17 MS. BROWN: Thank you, no f ur t her 18 quest i ons. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Ms. Fer st er . 20 MS. FERSTER: Thank you. 21 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 22 BY MS. FERSTER: McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 277 1 Q So to follow up on that question, that you 2 do not currently have a tenant for the health care 3 facility, in terms of the type of tenant you're 4 looking for, are you looking for a nonprofit health 5 care provider or a for profit health care provider or 6 either one? 7 A We ar e t al ki ng t o bot h. 8 Q And let me ask you about the million 9 dollars that you'll be providing for employment 10 training. Is that going to be in the form of a grant 11 to a nonprofit organization? 12 A I t wi l l be a ser i es of gr ant s, so we wi l l 13 put t he capi t al i n a f und t hat wi l l be managed by t he 14 Communi t y Foundat i on and t hey wi l l dol e out gr ant s. 15 Q And they will provide individual grants to 16 Ward 5 residents, to the District of Columbia? 17 A That wi l l be - - 18 Q I mean what are the criteria to be eligible 19 for this grant? 20 A The det ai l s of t he speci f i c cr i t er i a have 21 not been wor ked out yet . We do have commi t ment f r om 22 t he Communi t y Foundat i on t o wor k wi t h us i n t hi s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 278 1 endeavor and our commi t ment t o f undi ng t he mi l l i on 2 dol l ar s i s a par t of our PUD appr oval , so we ar e 3 commi t t ed t o t hat . 4 I t wi l l be a combi nat i on of schol ar shi ps t o 5 i ndi vi dual s and I woul d t hi nk gr ant s t o 6 or gani zat i ons, wor kf or ce devel opment or gani zat i ons 7 t hat do j ob t r ai ni ng, cer t i f i cat i on pr ogr ams, 8 et cet er a. 9 Q So at this point, it's really not possible 10 for you to say that the individuals who will be 11 benefiting from this employment training will 12 necessarily work at McMillan, isn't that correct, you 13 have no way of knowing whether they will or not? 14 A I t hi nk t hat ' s cor r ect . 15 Q So just in terms of what you mentioned 16 about smart growth principles governing your view 17 that this is a good location, are you assuming that 18 the people who go to these health care facilities for 19 treatment or to work there will take the Metro there, 20 even though it's located over a mile away from the 21 Metro rail station? 22 A I t hi nk t hat t he maj or i t y of t he peopl e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 279 1 t hat wi l l be comi ng t o t hi s f aci l i t y wi l l be dr i vi ng. 2 Q Thank you. 3 MS. FERSTER: I don' t have any ot her 4 quest i ons. 5 MS. MERRI TT: I have j ust a coupl e of 6 f ol l ow- up quest i ons. 7 BY MS. MERRI TT: 8 Q In responding to Ms. Ferster's question 9 about seeking a nonprofit versus a for profit, your 10 answer made it sound like you're just looking for one 11 or two tenants. Could you clarify that? 12 A So t he way t hat we ar e appr oachi ng t r yi ng 13 t o f i nd our anchor t enancy, t hese bui l di ngs wi l l 14 pr obabl y be anchor ed by one or t wo hospi t al syst ems. 15 Ther e wi l l al most cer t ai nl y be many, many 16 i nst i t ut i ons i n t hi s what wi l l , bet ween al l t hr ee 17 bui l di ngs, be a mi l l i on squar e f eet . But I do t hi nk 18 t hat t hose ear l y i nst i t ut i ons and t hose anchor 19 i nst i t ut i ons wi l l l i kel y t ake t he l ar gest por t i ons. 20 So we ar e f ocused r i ght now i n t r yi ng t o 21 get anchor i nst i t ut i ons because whi ch anchor 22 i nst i t ut i on we par t ner wi t h wi l l set t he t one and t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 280 1 f l avor f or a l ot of t he r est of t he t enancy. 2 Q Is it your intention or understanding that 3 the goal would be to have an institution, whether 4 it's for profit or nonprofit, that would be oriented 5 toward patient treatment, as opposed to, say, 6 research or something that's less interactive with 7 patients? 8 A I t hi nk i n our mi nd - - and I ' l l expl ai n why 9 I put t hat qual i f i er on i t i n a moment . I t hi nk i n 10 our mi nd, an i deal out come i s a mi x of pat i ent 11 t r eat ment space, r esear ch and l ab space, educat i onal 12 space and what you woul d pr obabl y cal l t r adi t i onal 13 medi cal of f i ce, doct or s' of f i ces, dent i st of f i ces, 14 et cet er a. 15 So i n t hat way, you' d al most have wi t hi n 16 t he heal t h car e component a campus wi t h sever al 17 di f f er ent t ypes of uses. And I t hi nk par t of our 18 desi r e f or doi ng t hat was shaped by t he r esear ch t hat 19 we di d i n l ooki ng at ot her successf ul medi cal 20 di st r i ct s acr oss t he count r y. 21 That ul t i mat e mi x wi l l def i ni t el y be 22 af f ect ed by who t he anchor t enant i s. I f , say, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 281 1 MedSt ar , j ust an exampl e, not sayi ng t hat wi l l be, i f 2 MedSt ar wer e t o be t he anchor i nst i t ut i on f or hal f of 3 al l t he space t hat we have, t hey woul d have a 4 si gni f i cant say on what goes i nsi de, what t ypes of 5 uses ar e i n t he box and what t he ot her uses ar e i n 6 t he space t hat t hey wi l l occupy. 7 Q And what's the ratio between employees and 8 patients in terms of the coming and going, driving? 9 MS. BROWN: I f you know. 10 THE WI TNESS: I don' t have t hemof f t he t op 11 of my head, I don' t have t hemof f t he t op of my 12 head. 13 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any f ur t her 14 quest i ons. 15 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 16 Q I had a follow-up question prompted by one 17 of your responses to Ms. Merritt's question and that 18 was that I did not -- you had mentioned that you were 19 speaking about medical office space as being part of 20 the space that you're responsible for. And I guess I 21 had assumed that you were only dealing with the 22 health care facility portion of this project. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 282 1 Are you also responsible for the leasing of 2 the medical office buildings? 3 A They ar e one and t he same. 4 Q Okay, so there is a health care facility 5 that is in a separate building from the medical 6 office building is my understanding. 7 A No. When I say heal t h car e f aci l i t i es, I ' m 8 r ef er r i ng t o t he t hr ee commer ci al bui l di ngs t hat 9 ar e - - 10 Q Okay, so that includes the -- 11 A Yes. 12 Q -- medical office building. Ah, okay, I 13 thought you were -- 14 A None of t hemI woul d l abel as t he medi cal 15 of f i ce bui l di ng, t hey ar e al l t hr ee t he heal t h car e 16 f aci l i t i es. 17 Q Okay, okay, I did not understand that your 18 testimony went to the medical office building, as 19 well. 20 So just to follow-up on that, has your 21 evaluation of the leasing looked at the fact that 22 there are numerous other medical office buildings, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 283 1 you know, Walter Reed and others, that are going on 2 line, that will, in fact, be fully constructed before 3 your medical office building, is that -- 4 A Ver y much so. So i f you r emember t he map I 5 put up i n my second sl i de, t he bi ggest advant age of 6 havi ng a si t e l i ke McMi l l an i s t hat t hi s i s what r eal 7 est at e peopl e woul d cal l mai n and mai n when i t comes 8 t o heal t h car e devel opment . We ar e acr oss t he st r eet 9 f r omt he si ngl e l ar gest concent r at i on of hospi t al s i n 10 t he ci t y, so i t ' s a ver y, ver y desi r abl e si t e. 11 So t o t he ext ent I have t o compet e wi t h 12 ot her si t es, I t hi nk we have a bet t er opt i on f r oma 13 suppl y and demand per spect i ve. 14 I woul d al so say I do t hi nk t hat t hose 15 ot her compet i ng si t es, wi t h t he except i on of about 16 200 or 300, 000 squar e f eet t hat ' s i n t he Ar med For ces 17 Ret i r ement Pl an set asi de speci f i cal l y f or heal t h 18 car e, we' r e pr et t y f ar away. So i f t her e ar e peopl e 19 t hat want t o be cl ose t o t he syst emi n par t i cul ar , 20 MedSt ar and Chi l dr en' s and t he VA, whi ch ar e al l 21 pr et t y bi g and power f ul syst ems, I have al most an 22 unbeat abl e advant age f r oma compet i t i ve st andpoi nt . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 284 1 MS. FERSTER: Thank you. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: How si gni f i cant woul d i t be 3 t o have medi cal school i nvol vement i n t hi s pl an? 4 THE WI TNESS: I t hi nk i t ' s a bi g par t . 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Longwood has, of cour se, 6 Har var d r i ght i n t he mi ddl e - - 7 THE WI TNESS: They do, t hey do, and i f you 8 l ook at t he Texas Medi cal Cent er , t her e' s a l ot of 9 uni ver si t i es t her e, t oo. I t hi nk i t woul d be a bi g 10 par t of what we want t o do and I t hi nk t hat t hat 11 coul d i ncor por at e t he Mi chi gan Avenue cor r i dor 12 school s, so Cat hol i c or even Howar d. I mean t her e' s 13 a l ot of ver y - - 14 J UDGE BYRNE: A coupl e of ot her 15 uni ver si t i es. 16 THE WI TNESS: Wel l , Tr i ni t y I t hi nk coul d 17 be an opt i on, as wel l . 18 But you coul d al so go out si de of t he 19 Mi chi gan Avenue cor r i dor I guess was my poi nt . I t 20 coul d be any school i n t he ci t y or i t coul d be 21 school s t hat ar e r i ght adj acent t o t he McMi l l an si t e. 22 But I do t hi nk t hat ' s a bi g par t of i t and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 285 1 I t hi nk t hat havi ng an educat i onal component , al ong 2 wi t h havi ng a r esear ch i nst i t ut i on, l i ke Nat i onal 3 Rehab. or Chi l dr en' s does a l ot of r esear ch, as wel l , 4 i t changes t he f l avor . But i t al so can do l i ke what 5 you see at Longwood, whi ch i s at t r act i ng r esear ch 6 dol l ar s and havi ng al l of t hat sor t of become - - 7 McMi l l an becomi ng a magnet f or t hat , i t has a l ot of 8 f ol l ow- on ef f ect s, posi t i ve f ol l ow- on ef f ect s. 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , t hank you ver y 10 much, I appr eci at e i t . 11 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 12 MS. BROWN: Next , we have Mr . J ai r Lynch. 13 Wher eupon, 14 J AI R LYNCH 15 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 16 f ol l ows: 17 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 18 BY MS. BROWN: 19 Q Please introduce yourself for the record 20 and proceed with your testimony. 21 A Okay. My name i s J ai r Lynch. I amt he 22 pr esi dent and CEO of a f ami l y of r eal est at e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 286 1 compani es under t he br and J ai r Lynch Devel opment 2 Par t ner s. 3 Q Speak up, they're having trouble hearing 4 you. 5 A And I amal so a member of Vi si on McMi l l an 6 Par t ner s, as wel l , our company i s. 7 Q Okay. 8 A We ar e an ur ban r egener at i on company t hat 9 f ocuses on r ei magi ni ng wal kabl e ur ban pl aces. We 10 have been i n busi ness f or over 15 year s and have 11 devel oped t hr ee mi l l i on squar e f eet of nei ghbor hood 12 asset s, t ot al i ng near l y $700 mi l l i on. 13 I ama nat i ve Washi ngt oni an and I have been 14 dr awn t o t hi s i ndust r i al si t e si nce as a young boy, I 15 was t ol d t hat i t was not saf e, not accessi bl e and t he 16 def i ni t i on of bl i ght . 17 Thi s of t en di scour agi ng st or y was r epeat ed 18 t o me t hr oughout t he ci t y i n t he 1980s and f or t hat 19 r eason, I i nt ent i onal l y r et ur ned t o Washi ngt on t o 20 st ar t my busi ness i n Shaw, i n a r ow home, wi t h a 21 l apt op and a cel l phone t o speci f i cal l y wor k i n 22 emer gi ng nei ghbor hoods. Thi s pr oj ect i s a di r ect McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 287 1 ext ensi on of my per sonal and pr of essi onal gr owt h and 2 I ' mher e t o put f or t h a r esponsi bl e pl an of a dr eam 3 def er r ed. 4 Whi l e we br i ng our vi si on and r esum, we 5 al so br i ng our own capi t al t o execut e our component 6 of t he pl an, t he mul t i f ami l y and r et ai l component of 7 t he pl an. We ar e pr oud t o st and shoul der t o shoul der 8 wi t h t wo ot her nat i onal l y r ecogni zed devel opment 9 compani es as t he l ead sponsor devel oper of t he 10 mul t i f ami l y component of t he pr oj ect . A l ocal l y 11 owned company devel opi ng i t s own component , mor e t han 12 20 per cent of t he pl an, i s qui t e f r ankl y al so a dr eam 13 def er r ed and of speci al mer i t . 14 VMP has cr eat ed a mi xed i ncome housi ng 15 pr ogr amf or not onl y nei ghbor hood r esi dent s, but al so 16 a wal kabl e al t er nat i ve f or t he wor ki ng popul at i on i n 17 t he sur r oundi ng i nst i t ut i ons cur r ent l y who l i ve 18 out si de t he Di st r i ct . The pr ogr ami ncl udes mi xed 19 i ncome r ent al housi ng, as wel l as mi xed i ncome f ami l y 20 housi ng wi t h t he f or - sal e t ownhomes. 21 Our af f or dabl e housi ng st r at egy f ar exceeds 22 t he r egul at i ons set f or t h by i ncl usi onar y zoni ng at McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 288 1 80 per cent AMI by r eachi ng 20 per cent af f or dabi l i t y 2 acr oss t he housi ng pr ogr amf or househol ds bet ween 50 3 and 80 per cent ar ea medi an i ncome. 4 Thi s pr ogr ami ncl udes a seni or housi ng 5 component t hat t ar get s deeper af f or dabi l i t y bet ween 6 50 and 60 per cent AMI and f or - sal e t ownhomes f or 7 f ami l i es at bot h 50 and 80 per cent AMI . The 8 r emai ni ng apar t ment s wi l l be a nat ur al ext ensi on of 9 t he cur r ent mar ket of wor kf or ce r ent al housi ng t hat 10 i s al r eady i n t he nei ghbor hood and ar r i vi ng near at 11 t he Br ookl and Met r o st at i on. We def i ne wor kf or ce 12 housi ng as 80 t o 120 per cent of ar ea medi an i ncome. 13 Our combi ned pl an wi t h over 120 new 14 af f or dabl e uni t s i n a si ngl e mast er pl an, compar ed t o 15 t he 430 af f or dabl e housi ng uni t s bet ween 30 and 80 16 per cent AMI and t he 530 per manent suppor t i ve housi ng 17 uni t s t hat wer e awar ded subsi dy f r omt he D. C. 18 Depar t ment of Housi ng and Communi t y Devel opment l ast 19 year , t hi s i s a l audabl e pr oj ect . 20 The agency' s t ot al s wer e spr ead over near l y 21 20 pr oj ect s and t hi s pr oj ect r epr esent s a hundr ed 22 per cent i ncr ease over what was appr oved by t he agency McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 289 1 l ast year i n War d 5. 2 I n addi t i on, we ar e pr ogr ammi ng a f ul l 3 ser vi ce gr ocer as par t of t he r et ai l pr ogr amas i t 4 benef i t s t he nei ghbor hood. Accor di ng t o t he USDA, 5 who def i nes and t r acks f ood deser t s, t hi s ar ea has 6 mor e t han a 20 per cent popul at i on i n pover t y and mor e 7 t han 33 per cent of t he popul at i on has t o t r avel mor e 8 t han one- hal f mi l e t o get t o a super mar ket . Ther e 9 ar e si mpl y l i mi t ed r et ai l opt i ons wi t hi n a wal ki ng 10 di st ance of t he si t e and t he sur r oundi ng 11 nei ghbor hoods of Bl oomi ngdal e, St r onghol d and LeDr oi t 12 Par k. 13 I n addi t i on, t he over 15, 000 empl oyees at 14 t he hospi t al campus have l i mi t ed f r esh pr oduce and 15 f ood opt i ons near wor k. We i nt end t o change t hat by 16 kni t t i ng t oget her t he dayt i me popul at i on wi t h 17 exi st i ng vi br ant nei ghbor hood popul at i ons t o cr eat e a 18 dynami c r et ai l envi r onment on t he nor t h ser vi ce 19 cour t , anchor ed by a f ul l ser vi ce gr ocer . 20 The r emai ni ng component s of t he r et ai l 21 pr ogr amwi l l i ncl ude nei ghbor hood- ser vi ng r et ai l wi t h 22 i ncent i ves t o f aci l i t at e busi ness st ar t ups on si t e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 290 1 and l ocal l y owned busi nesses. I n addi t i on, t he pl an 2 seeks t o connect t o a mer gi ng cor r i dor and el i mi nat e 3 bl i ght on Nor t h Capi t ol St r eet wi t h a f acade 4 i mpr ovement pr ogr am. Ret ai l has consi st ent l y been 5 among t he t op t hr ee r equest s f r omt hi s communi t y i n 6 an ef f or t t o cr eat e a wal kabl e nei ghbor hood. 7 I n concl usi on, we ar e ver y pr oud of our 8 housi ng and r et ai l vi si on f or McMi l l an. The pl an i s 9 r esponsi ve t o t he communi t y- at - l ar ge and not t o onl y 10 a subset of a pr i vi l eged f ew. 11 Our housi ng pl an pr ovi des deeper 12 af f or dabi l i t y t han r equi r ed by i ncl usi onar y zoni ng, 13 as wel l as t he speci f i c t ype of housi ng f or seni or s 14 t hat i s a di r ect r equest f r omt he communi t y t o ensur e 15 member s of t he nei ghbor hood can age i n pl ace. By 16 bui l di ng apar t ment s as an ext ensi on of t he exi st i ng 17 nei ghbor hood, t he mar ket r at e uni t s wi l l r each a 18 wor kf or ce cust omer . 19 Fi nal l y, br i ngi ng a capt i ve dayt i me 20 popul at i on t o t he si t e al l ows f or t he r et ai l t o 21 t hr i ve i n a r el at i vel y l ow densi t y communi t y and, 22 t hus, t hi s i s a t r ue nei ghbor hood r evi t al i zat i on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 291 1 pr oj ect . That ' s t he end of my t est i mony. 2 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. 3 MS. BROWN: No quest i ons. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: Ms. Fer st er ? 5 MS. FERSTER: Thank you. 6 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 7 BY MS. FERSTER: 8 Q Can you go to Slide 6, please. So I'm 9 wondering if you could spell out on the affordable 10 rental senior apartments, 85 units, 50 to 60 AMI, do 11 you know how many will be limited to people who are 12 50 percent, earning 50 percent AMI and how many 60, 13 do you know the breakdown of that? 14 A We do not know t he br eakdown t oday because 15 i t wi l l be r esponsi ve t o t he mar ket st udi es t hat wi l l 16 be done cl oser t o const r uct i on. 17 Q And in terms of parking for the people who 18 are living in any of these units, either the for-sale 19 -- well, particularly the rental units, will parking 20 be a separate charge for the tenants? 21 A Par ki ng wi l l be a separ at e char ge f or t he 22 t enant s. Par ki ng wi l l be avai l abl e f or t he r et ai l McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 292 1 cust omer s wi t hout char ge, at l east wi t h val i dat i on 2 f or a coupl e of hour s. But par ki ng i s a separ at e 3 char ge, cor r ect . 4 Q And what will the charge be to the tenants 5 of the senior apartments for parking? 6 A We have not det er mi ned, but we wi l l f ol l ow 7 t he l ow i ncome t ax cr edi t pr act i ces f or what i s 8 avai l abl e f or char ges f or par ki ng. 9 Q Okay, and that is? 10 A I can' t t el l you t hat t oday. 11 Q I'm asking about the practice. You don't 12 know what the practice is that you're going to 13 follow? 14 A No. You can char ge f or par ki ng i n cer t ai n 15 si t uat i ons and we' l l f ol l ow t he appr opr i at e 16 si t uat i ons f or t he pr oj ect . 17 Q And in terms of the tax abatement or 18 credits that you're going to eventually comply with, 19 can you specify what they are? These are abatements 20 or credits that are available for affordable housing? 21 MS. BROWN: Di d you t est i f y t o t hat ? 22 THE WI TNESS: No. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 293 1 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 2 Q You just testified that you're going to 3 comply with the tax -- 4 MS. BROWN: You asked about par ki ng. 5 That ' s a l i t t l e f ar af i el d. 6 MS. FERSTER: You don' t want hi mt o t est i f y 7 about t he t ax cr edi t s or abat ement s? 8 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 9 Q I mean you've talked about affordable 10 housing and I just, you know, would like to specify 11 whether or not, in fact, there's going to be -- 12 MS. BROWN: Wel l , I t hi nk t he poi nt i s i t 13 doesn' t mat t er because i t ' s af f or dabl e, i t ' s got t o 14 be r equi r ed under any ei t her a Mayor ' s Agent or der 15 and cer t ai nl y under t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on or der . 16 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , i t does mat t er because 17 i f you' r e goi ng t o qual i f y f or cer t ai n abat ement s or 18 cr edi t s, you have t o meet cer t ai n gui del i nes and I ' d 19 l i ke t o know what t he gui del i nes ar e. 20 MS. BROWN: Wel l , he di dn' t t est i f y about 21 t hat . 22 THE WI TNESS: I ' mnot an exper t , yeah, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 294 1 yeah. 2 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q So you don't know what tax credits or 4 abatements that affordable housing -- 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Wel l , I ' mj ust t r yi ng t o 6 under st and what t he quest i on i s. I s t he quest i on 7 whet her t her e' s a f eder al t ax cr edi t deal ? 8 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , what ' s r el evant her e i s 9 t hat i n or der f or housi ng t o be af f or dabl e, you don' t 10 l ook j ust at what t he r ent i s, but you al so l ook at 11 t he addi t i onal char ges t hat t enant s ar e goi ng t o be 12 r equi r ed t o pay. Because i f you cr eat e an af f or dabl e 13 uni t , but you char ge t heman exor bi t ant char ge f or 14 par ki ng, i t t hen becomes l ess af f or dabl e. And t her e 15 ar e par t i cul ar r equi r ement s t hat need t o be met i f 16 you ar e get t i ng a t ax cr edi t . So I ' mcur i ous - - 17 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk t hat hi s di r ect 18 t est i mony st r i ct l y went t o t he pr omi se of 20 per cent 19 af f or dabi l i t y, end of st or y. And you know, how i t ' s 20 compl i ed wi t h i s not par t of hi s di r ect t est i mony. 21 MS. FERSTER: Okay, i s t her e anot her 22 wi t ness who' s goi ng t o - - because I know t hat your McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 295 1 pr ehear i ng submi ssi on di d t al k about t he, you know, 2 t ax benef i t s t hat ar e goi ng t o be gener at ed by t hi s 3 pr oj ect and i n t er ms of t he Gr een Door Advi sor s. I s 4 somebody goi ng t o be abl e t o descr i be what t ax 5 cr edi t s or abat ement s ar e goi ng t o be appl i ed f or , as 6 wel l ? 7 MS. BROWN: I t ' s i n t he Gr een Door r epor t 8 and you' ve hear d t he l i st of wi t nesses. 9 MS. FERSTER: I s somebody who' s pr epar ed 10 t he Gr een Door r epor t goi ng t o t est i f y? 11 MS. BROWN: You' l l see. 12 MS. FERSTER: I wi l l see? Can you t el l me? 13 MS. BROWN: No, j ust as you sai d you don' t 14 have t o t el l me who al l your wi t nesses ar e, I don' t 15 have t o t el l you t he scope of t he t est i mony t hat my 16 wi t nesses ar e goi ng t o pr epar e. 17 MS. FERSTER: Okay, t hen I woul d l i ke t o - - 18 I have a wi t ness i n f r ont of me who' s t al ki ng about 19 af f or dabl e housi ng. I ' d l i ke t o be abl e t o ask my 20 af f or dabl e housi ng quest i ons. 21 MS. BROWN: I t ' s not par t of t he scope. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: So you' ve been t al ki ng about McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 296 1 par ki ng. Does your bui l di ng i nt end t o use f eder al 2 l ow i ncome t ax cr edi t s as a par t of i t ? 3 THE WI TNESS: I t may, i t may. 4 J UDGE BYRNE: I t may, you haven' t 5 det er mi ned t hat yet . 6 THE WI TNESS: Cor r ect . 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, f i ne. Okay, so I t hi nk 8 t hat ' s t he end of t hat . 9 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 10 Q Okay, and there's also tax abatements that 11 are available under D.C. law, as well. Are you 12 intending to use those? 13 J UDGE BYRNE: He hasn' t det er mi ned yet . 14 THE WI TNESS: Ri ght . 15 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 16 Q You don't know. Your answer is you just 17 don't know. 18 MS. BROWN: I t hi nk he sai d i t hasn' t been 19 det er mi ned was t he answer . 20 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 21 Q All right, so going back to the parking, 22 then, is it also your testimony that you know the McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 297 1 price that tenants will be paying for parking -- you 2 do not know that? 3 A I t has not been det er mi ned yet . 4 Q And do you know any other charges that 5 tenants will be charged? 6 MS. BROWN: Agai n, I t hought t hat we 7 nar r owed t he scope and got out of t hi s r eal mand I ' m 8 hear i ng t he same quest i ons agai n. 9 MS. FERSTER: And agai n, I - - 10 J UDGE BYRNE: What ki nd of char ges ar e you 11 t al ki ng about ? 12 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , t enant s, you know, 13 par t i cul ar l y t enant s i n af f or dabl e housi ng, i t ' s 14 pr et t y t ypi cal t hat some l andl or ds wi l l char ge, wi l l 15 cr eat e an af f or dabl e housi ng apar t ment uni t t hat 16 r ent s f or a cer t ai n amount , t hen char ge t hema l ot 17 f or par ki ng and char ge t hema l ot f or ot her f ees and 18 ser vi ces, you know, conci er ge, what ever . I j ust want 19 t o know, get out on t he t abl e what t hese t enant s ar e 20 goi ng t o be char ged. 21 MS. BROWN: Wel l , per haps a bet t er quest i on 22 i s i s t hat somet hi ng t hat wi l l be devel oped at t hi s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 298 1 poi nt i n t hi s ent i t l ement st age. 2 THE WI TNESS: The answer woul d be no. 3 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 4 Q So you don't know. That is my question, 5 you don't know at this point what additional charges 6 the tenants will be charged. You don't know at this 7 point, is that correct? 8 MS. BROWN: I ' mnot answer i ng t he 9 quest i ons. 10 MS. FERSTER: You wer e, you wer e aski ng t he 11 quest i on. 12 MS. BROWN: I was suggest i ng t he quest i on 13 t o you. 14 MS. FERSTER: Okay, and I j ust asked t hat . 15 Can your wi t ness answer i t ? 16 MS. BROWN: He di d. 17 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 18 Q You don't know. 19 MS. BROWN: But t hat ' s not what hi s answer 20 was. 21 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 22 Q Okay, at this time, you don't know. Well, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 299 1 can you just answer it, then? 2 MS. BROWN: Go ahead and r eanswer her 3 quest i on. 4 THE WI TNESS: Okay, i f you coul d r eask t he 5 quest i on - - 6 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 7 Q So is it correct that at this point, you do 8 not know what additional charges tenants in the 9 affordable housing will be charged, at this point, 10 other than the rent? 11 A At t hi s poi nt , we have not devel oped any 12 addi t i onal char ges at al l , j ust l i ke t he base r ent 13 wi l l be changi ng f r omyear t o year i n accor dance wi t h 14 l ot s of di f f er ent f undi ng sour ces. 15 Q But it is possible there will be additional 16 charges, you just don't know. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s enough. I t hi nk 18 you' ve made your poi nt and I t hi nk he sai d he hasn' t 19 det er mi ned what char ges t her e ar e and he doesn' t 20 ant i ci pat e any. 21 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 22 Q You don't anticipate any charges? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 300 1 MS. FERSTER: Because he di d not say t hat . 2 J UDGE BYRNE: He sai d he hadn' t pl anned 3 any. Okay, f ai r enough. 4 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 5 Q So the representative from the Deputy 6 Mayor's Office said that she believed that an 7 affordable dwelling unit would be agreed to in this 8 project. Are you familiar with the terms, the 9 parameters of the affordable dwelling unit that would 10 be entered into? 11 A I don' t know what you' r e t al ki ng about . 12 Q Okay, so you're not involved in that. 13 A No, no, what you j ust asked was an 14 af f or dabl e dwel l i ng uni t . I don' t know what you' r e 15 t al ki ng about . 16 Q Affordable dwelling unit agreement, it's 17 called an ADU agreement. You're not familiar with 18 that? Because I did ask the representative from the 19 Deputy Mayor's Office about specifically whether an 20 ADU agreement would be entered into and she said it 21 would be. 22 MS. BROWN: Okay, so you have your answer . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 301 1 MS. FERSTER: But t hen I f ol l owed up and 2 sai d - - and t hen she sai d she' s not i nvol ved i n t hat 3 and you sai d t her e' s anot her wi t ness t o t al k about 4 af f or dabl e housi ng who I can ask t hat quest i on t o. 5 I woul d l i ke t o ask t hat quest i on. I f he 6 doesn' t know, he doesn' t know. 7 THE WI TNESS: You have t o expl ai n t o me 8 what an ADU i s. 9 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 10 Q Okay, so you don't know anything about an 11 ADU agreement, is that it? 12 A No, an ADU agr eement i s a gener i c t er m. I 13 don' t know what you' r e t al ki ng about . 14 Q Okay, okay. Are you aware of any agreement 15 with the District of Columbia relating to affordable 16 dwelling units that will be entered into? 17 A Ther e coul d be a var i et y of ADU - - of 18 af f or dabl e housi ng covenant s and/ or a var i et y of 19 ot her agr eement s. I don' t know whi ch one you' r e 20 speaki ng of . 21 Q Okay, can you describe all the agreements 22 -- McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 302 1 A No, I can' t do - - 2 Q -- relating to affordable housing? 3 J UDGE BYRNE: What ' s t ypi cal f or an 4 af f or dabl e housi ng covenant ? 5 THE WI TNESS: Ther e coul d be a pl et hor a of 6 di f f er ent agr eement s. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Di f f er ent agr eement s wi t h 8 di f f er ent agenci es? 9 THE WI TNESS: Exact l y. 10 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 11 Q With the D.C. government, do you know 12 whether any agreements are going to be entered into 13 with the D.C. government for this process relating to 14 affordable housing? 15 A That ' s f or t he Di st r i ct t o deci de. As t he 16 sel l er , we woul d be - - we wi l l ent er t ai n and be abl e 17 t o compl y wi t h t he agr eement s t hat t he Di st r i ct set s 18 f or t h f or us. 19 Q But you don't know what they are. 20 A No, I di dn' t say t hat . 21 Q But if you do know what they are, could you 22 tell us? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 303 1 A No. They need t o pr esent t hemt o us. 2 Q Mm-hmm. 3 A And we wi l l r espond. 4 Q And they haven't presented them, any 5 agreements to you? 6 A Thi s i s not t he appr opr i at e t i me t o be 7 goi ng t hr ough covenant s, pr e- ent i t l ement . 8 Q Okay, so they haven't presented any drafts 9 of any kind of parameters? You don't know what 10 covenants are going to be required? 11 MS. BROWN: I ' mki nd of concer ned about 12 t hi s di r ect i on and I t hi nk he' s been asked and 13 answer ed t he same quest i ons si x or seven t i mes. 14 MS. FERSTER: I s t hi s your onl y wi t ness on 15 af f or dabl e housi ng? 16 MS. BROWN: You know, we have anot her 17 wi t ness who can t est i f y t o i t , but you know - - 18 MS. FERSTER: I ' d be happy t o ask t he 19 af f or dabl e housi ng quest i ons t o a mor e knowl edgeabl e 20 wi t ness, t hat ' s not a pr obl em. 21 But I t hi nk i t i s ver y r el evant because 22 when af f or dabl e housi ng i s one of your cor e speci al McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 304 1 mer i t ar gument s, i t i s r eal l y r el evant t he t hi ngs 2 t hat woul d nor mal l y be i n t he covenant s on af f or dabl e 3 dwel l i ng uni t s i n t he Di st r i ct , i ncl udi ng t he 4 dur at i on of af f or dabl e housi ng, how l ong i t - - you 5 know, any ki nd of covenant s t hat r un wi t h t he l and 6 t hat woul d r est r i ct r esal e t o an af f or dabl e pr i ce and 7 t hat sor t of t hi ng. 8 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 9 Q So I'm happy to direct my questions to 10 somebody else if that's not something you're 11 knowledgeable about. 12 A Thi s i s t he f i r st t i me t hat you' ve act ual l y 13 expl ai ned what i t i s t hat you' r e t al ki ng about , so i f 14 you wer e - - 15 Q Just tell me -- 16 A You can wal k me t hr ough t he r est of i t and 17 t hat wi l l be hel pf ul , t oo. 18 Q Are you the right witness to talk about it 19 or is there somebody else? That would be the 20 question. 21 A We ar e per f ect l y qual i f i ed t o t al k about 22 af f or dabl e housi ng as i t r el at es t o t hi s pr oj ect . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 305 1 Q Okay. Can you tell me the affordable 2 housing covenants that you would enter into with the 3 District of Columbia that would ensure the 4 affordability for resale purposes of this housing? 5 A I t hi nk i t woul d be i nappr opr i at e f or me t o 6 suggest an af f or dabl e housi ng covenant when t he 7 Di st r i ct i s r esponsi bl e f or pr ovi di ng t hat covenant 8 t o us. 9 Q And they haven't provided you one yet, a 10 draft? 11 A I have not r evi ewed one. 12 J UDGE BYRNE: So l et ' s t r y t hi s. So what 13 i s t he ant i ci pat ed dur at i on of t he af f or dabi l i t y of 14 t hese uni t s and what ki nd of assur ances ar e t her e 15 t hat t hey wi l l r emai n af f or dabl e f or t hat per i od of 16 t i me? I s t hat a mor e wor kabl e quest i on? 17 THE WI TNESS: As i t r el at es t o t he seni or 18 af f or dabl e housi ng, i t woul d be our i nt ent t hat t hese 19 uni t s woul d be af f or dabl e i nt o per pet ui t y - - 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Per pet ui t y. 21 THE WI TNESS: - - t o mi r r or t he i ncl usi onar y 22 zoni ng pr act i ce. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 306 1 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, good. And assumi ng 2 t hat , l et ' s say you sol d t he pr oper t y t o somebody 3 el se, how woul d t hey be bound by t hat , by a PUD? 4 THE WI TNESS: Typi cal l y, a PUD and/ or 5 sever al ot her covenant s t hat woul d r un wi t h t he l and. 6 J UDGE BYRNE: And you woul d expect t hat as 7 t he pr oj ect mat ur es, t hat you wi l l ent er i nt o a 8 var i et y of covenant s wi t h t he Di st r i ct gover nment 9 t hat wi l l set mor e speci f i c par amet er s t o t hese 10 quest i ons, i s t hat f ai r ? 11 THE WI TNESS: As t he pr oj ect mat ur es and as 12 we pr oceed t hr ough t he LDA pr ocess, yes. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght . So i s t hat what 14 you' r e l ooki ng f or , Ms. Fer st er ? Do you have mor e? 15 MS. FERSTER: Yeah, t hat was def i ni t el y 16 par t of what I ' ml ooki ng f or . 17 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 18 Q And I also was looking for not just the 19 covenants that restrict the rental price, that 20 restrict the resale price. I'm wondering whether or 21 not there were going to be covenants in terms of the 22 for-sale units, whether or not the resale price would McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 307 1 be restricted in perpetuity, as well, if you -- 2 A That I can' t speak t o. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: He' s j ust t he r ent al guy. 4 THE WI TNESS: Ri ght , t hank you. 5 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 6 Q You're just the rental guy, good, that's 7 the only thing you can speak to. And then in terms 8 of the covenants or the agreements that you would 9 enter into with the District of Columbia, in your 10 experience sort of as a person who is generally 11 involved in this type of project, what other types of 12 restrictions would the District of Columbia require 13 in that sort of agreement? 14 A Why amI goi ng t hr ough t hat ? 15 Q Because I would like to know what other 16 protections there are -- 17 A I t depends on what you ask. 18 Q -- to the tenants. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk i f i t goes beyond 20 af f or dabi l i t y, t hen i t ' s not wi t hi n t he scope of - - 21 MS. FERSTER: Wel l , I t hi nk t hose 22 pr ot ect i ons do go beyond. I mean, t ypi cal l y, you McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 308 1 know, t hese agr eement s do have a number of - - shoul d 2 have a number of pr ot ect i ons t o t enant s t hat ensur e 3 t hat t he uni t s r emai n af f or dabl e, not j ust i n t er ms 4 of r ent s, but ot her char ges. 5 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 6 Q Do you have anything you'd like to -- 7 MS. BROWN: You know, I t hi nk he answer ed 8 t hat . 9 MS. FERSTER: And t he answer was he di dn' t 10 know. 11 MS. BROWN: No, I hear d " per pet ui t y. " 12 MS. FERSTER: Yeah, but t hat was f or t he 13 seni or housi ng, yeah. 14 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 15 Q So for the other affordable rental units? 16 MS. BROWN: Do you know - - 17 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 18 Q I mean it would be easier if you would just 19 look to me -- 20 A No, I can l ook t hi s way, t hat ' s f i ne. 21 Q I mean your attorney knows how to object 22 when she wants to. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 309 1 MS. BROWN: Can we hear what t he pendi ng 2 quest i on was? 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you want t o r est at e t he 4 quest i on? 5 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 6 Q Okay, so you talked about the restrictions 7 in perpetuity that are on the affordable rental 8 senior units. How about for the other affordable 9 rental units, are there restrictions in perpetuity on 10 those units, will there be? 11 A That has not been negot i at ed wi t h t he 12 Di st r i ct yet . 13 Q Okay, so you don't know. 14 MS. BROWN: He answer ed t he quest i on. 15 Asked and answer ed, l et ' s move on. 16 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 17 Q Well, I guess I just have to ask you a 18 question about your certified business enterprise 19 status. 20 A Mm- hmm. 21 Q So which of your affiliated entities is a 22 certified business enterprise? McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 310 1 A Wel l , l et ' s st ar t wi t h t he f act t hat I ' ma 2 Di st r i ct r esi dent . 3 Q Mm-hmm. 4 A My busi nesses ar e l ocat ed on E St r eet i n 5 Washi ngt on, D. C. The maj or i t y of our busi nesses ar e 6 - - t he maj or i t y of our busi ness i s done her e i n t he 7 Di st r i ct . 8 Q Okay. 9 A So t hat al l ows f or my compani es, our 10 compani es t o be cer t i f i ed by t he Depar t ment of Smal l 11 and Local Busi ness Devel opment . And I own a 12 devel opment and ser vi ce - - an advi sor y ser vi ce 13 busi ness, whi ch i s cer t i f i ed. 14 Q Okay, and what's the name of that? Is that 15 Lynch Development Advisers? 16 MS. BROWN: Don' t l ook t o me, she' s aski ng 17 you. Go ahead. 18 THE WI TNESS: That i s Lynch Devel opment 19 Advi ser s. 20 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 21 Q Okay, and that is your certified business 22 enterprise, and is that -- McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 311 1 A That ' s A. I have a second her e. 2 Q You have a second one, okay. 3 A I own an i nvest ment company, al so, whi ch 4 i nvest s i n our hol di ng compani es i n a ser i es of our 5 r eal est at e pr oj ect s. That i s al so cer t i f i ed. 6 Q Okay, and -- 7 MS. BROWN: I ' mgoi ng t o obj ect at t hi s 8 poi nt because he t est i f i ed t hat he' s a CBE, t hat he 9 wi l l be qual i f i ed f or t hi s pr oj ect t hat s par t of t he 10 package; we' ve hear d t est i mony t oday t o t hat ef f ect . 11 So what l i st t hat you have t her e t hat you' r e wor ki ng 12 t hr ough i s i r r el evant because t hat ' s goi ng t o be a 13 r equi r ement of t he deal . 14 MS. FERSTER: Mm- hmm. 15 MS. BROWN: End of st or y. So you don' t 16 need t o - - i f you have an i ssue wi t h what hi s CBE 17 st at us i s, you t ake i t t o t he Depar t ment of Smal l and 18 Local Busi ness Devel opment , not t he Mayor ' s Agent . 19 MS. FERSTER: Thank you f or t hat l ect ur e. 20 I appr eci at e bei ng i nst r uct ed on how I shoul d 21 r epr esent my cl i ent s and how I shoul d pr oceed, t hat ' s 22 ver y ki nd of you t o pr ovi de t hat . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 312 1 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 2 Q And let me just conclude by asking you this 3 one last question about your certified business 4 enterprise entity, which is are the two, the entities 5 that are certified business enterprises, are they 6 part of the partnership of this Vision McMillan 7 Partners? 8 A J L EM I nvest or i s an i nvest ment hol di ng 9 company, whi ch i s ver y much par t of VMP. Lynch 10 Devel opment Advi sor s i s an af f i l i at e of t he ent i t y 11 t hat ' s i nvol ved i n t hi s pr oj ect . 12 Q Okay, thank you. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Ms. Mer r i t t ? 14 MS. MERRI TT: I have a f ol l ow- up quest i on. 15 BY MS. MERRI TT: 16 Q We were told by one of your earlier 17 witnesses that -- I think the word was like 18 "unprecedented use of CBEs" or something quite 19 extraordinary like that. 20 And I was wondering if you could tell us 21 what the overall percentage of the development 22 opportunity allocated to the CBE is. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 313 1 A So t he quest i on woul d be i n t er ms of 2 dol l ar s of t he whol e t hi ng? The CBE i nvol vement i s 3 one of t he t hr ee par t ner s i n t he pr oj ect , and I don' t 4 - - i f you want t o know what t he al l ocat i on of shar es 5 ar e among t hem? 6 Q There is a budget statement that a certain 7 percentage of the overall development opportunities 8 will be awarded to CBEs. And this is a follow-up of 9 the earlier witness who testified that one of the 10 community benefits is this extraordinary use of CBEs. 11 And so I wanted to find out what the 12 percentage, since this is the only main CBE we've 13 heard about, what the percentage is of the overall 14 development. 15 J UDGE BYRNE: That seems f ai r . 16 THE WI TNESS: I bel i eve you' r e descr i bi ng, 17 and I don' t know, t hat you' r e descr i bi ng goods and 18 ser vi ces i f you' r e l ooki ng at a budget . 19 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 20 Q I'd be happy to read the sentence from the 21 budget justification from the city's FY 2014 budget. 22 It says -- McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 314 1 MS. BROWN: I ' ma l i t t l e concer ned about 2 t hi s goi ng beyond t he scope of hi s t est i mony. I 3 t hi nk i f she want s t o br i ng evi dence i n her di r ect - - 4 J UDGE BYRNE: I t hi nk she' s t r yi ng t o ask a 5 quest i on about t he ext ent of CBE i nvol vement i n t he 6 pr oj ect . And I t hi nk when t he l ady f r omt he Deput y 7 Mayor ' s Of f i ce t est i f i ed, you sai d t hat l at er on, 8 t her e woul d be somebody who coul d bet t er answer t he 9 quest i on and I had assumed t hat Mr . Lynch was t hat 10 per son. I f t hat ' s wr ong, we may have t o t hi nk about 11 who coul d answer her quest i on. 12 THE WI TNESS: No, I can answer t he 13 quest i on. The quest i on i s - - I bel i eve she' s r eadi ng 14 about goods and ser vi ces, whi ch i s t ypi cal l y t he way 15 t he Di st r i ct t hi nks about CBE. And f or t he l ast 30 16 year s, unf or t unat el y, t hey' ve been t hi nki ng onl y 17 about goods and ser vi ces. 18 Over t he l ast f ew year s, backed by 19 l egi sl at i on, t her e i s a desi r e t o have owner shi p 20 pot ent i al f or l ocal busi nesses i n l ar ger pr oj ect s. 21 Thi s i s one of t he f i r st t i mes i n whi ch t her e i s 22 l ocal owner shi p t hr ough our company i n act ual l y McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 315 1 component s of t hi s devel opment pr oj ect . 2 J UDGE BYRNE: So what was descr i bed, t hen, 3 as an unpr ecedent ed CBE i nvol vement was speci f i cal l y 4 r ef er r i ng t o t he owner shi p component of t he pr oj ect . 5 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 6 Q So what's the percentage that corresponds 7 with that ownership interest, that CBE ownership 8 interest? 9 A The per cent age of t he FAR t hat we' r e 10 devel opi ng. 11 J UDGE BYRNE: And what i s t hat ? 12 THE WI TNESS: Appr oxi mat el y 25 per cent of 13 t he FAR. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Appr oxi mat el y 25 per cent of 15 t he FAR, okay. 16 BY MS. MERRI TT: ( Resumi ng) 17 Q So one other CBE reference in this budget 18 document refers to 35 percent of local contracting 19 opportunities must go to CBEs. Do you have anything 20 to do with that or is that somebody else's bailiwick 21 entirely. Since you're the only CBE that's been 22 identified, I'm wondering -- McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 316 1 A Act ual l y, agai n, as I wal ked you t hr ough 2 t hat , t hat ' s r ef er r i ng t o goods and ser vi ces. Goods 3 and ser vi ces st ar t wi t h any and al l busi nesses t hat 4 ar e wor ki ng on t he pr oj ect , Tr acer i es, Per ki ns 5 East man D. C. , t hey' r e al l CBE compani es. And t hat 6 wi l l cont i nue t hr ough t he pr oj ect as we get t hr ough 7 f ul l desi gn and const r uct i on. 8 So agai n, i f you' r e l ooki ng f or goods and 9 ser vi ces, you can act ual l y see t he CBEs her e i n t he 10 r oomnow. 11 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any mor e 12 quest i ons. 13 MS. FERSTER: No quest i ons. 14 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , Mr . Lynch, t hank 15 you ver y much. 16 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 17 Wher eupon, 18 AAKASH THAKKAR 19 havi ng been pr evi ousl y dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 20 f ol l ow: 21 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 22 BY MS. BROWN: McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 317 1 Q Mr. Thakkar, do you want to start your 2 testimony? 3 A Good eveni ng. My name i s Aakash Thakkar 4 and I ama par t ner and seni or vi ce pr esi dent wi t h t he 5 f i r mEYA. I amt he f or - sal e guy. 6 My f i r mhas been i nvol ved i n t hi s pr oj ect 7 si nce 2007, when we wer e sel ect ed f or t hi s si t e i n an 8 ext r aor di nar i l y compet i t i ve pr ocess wher e f i ve t eams, 9 al l wi t h good and di ver se backgr ounds, f r ankl y, al l 10 qual i f i ed, wer e, you know, put t hr ough t he wr i nger 11 mi ght be a way t o say i t , by t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a 12 or t he NCRC at t he t i me t o sel ect a f i r mt hat had, 13 f r ankl y, t he bandwi t h - - and when I say a f i r m, a 14 t eam- - t hat had t he bandwi t h t o under st and t he 15 compl exi t i es of t he si t e and put t oget her a 16 devel opment pl an and t hen i mpl ement i t . 17 So what t he Di st r i ct was r eal l y l ooki ng f or 18 at t hat t i me, as I sai d, we' ve got t hi s bi g, you 19 know, wonder f ul oppor t uni t y and we need a f i r mt hat 20 has exper t i se i n a number of di f f er ent ar eas t o 21 addr ess t he i ssues, sol ve t he pr obl ems and put f or t h 22 a f i r st r at e devel opment pl an i n par t ner shi p wi t h t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 318 1 communi t y. 2 So i n 2007, a t eaml ed by bot h EYA and J ai r 3 Lynch Devel opment Par t ner s wer e sel ect ed by t he 4 Di st r i ct . And I wi l l come back t o t hat CBE quest i on 5 i n j ust a second because I do t hi nk J ai r Lynch' s 6 par t i ci pat i on i s unpr ecedent ed. And we' ve been i n a 7 l ot of pr oj ect s wi t h CBEs and I t hi nk we have sor t of 8 a good vant age poi nt about what ' s unpr ecedent ed or 9 uni que about t he par t ner shi p wi t h J ai r Lynch 10 Devel opment Par t ner s. 11 A l i t t l e bi t about EYA. We wer e f ounded i n 12 1992 and our goal , i n a nut shel l , i s t o do 13 out st andi ng ur ban i nf i l l devel opment and 14 r edevel opment . We' ve done over 4, 000 uni t s of mi xed 15 i ncome housi ng i n t he r egi on, we ar e a mi xed i ncome 16 exper t . We do pr edomi nant l y f or - sal e; as I say, I ' m 17 t he f or - sal e guy. We do some r ent al . 18 But i n t er ms of t he qual i t y of t he 19 pr oj ect s, you know, we' r e ver y f ocused on i nsi de t he 20 Bel t way, i n t he Di st r i ct and i n t he sur r oundi ng 21 communi t i es. And I say t hat because t hi s si t e i s one 22 t hat needs bot h, as Mr . Bel l sai d, kni t i nt o t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 319 1 sur r oundi ng communi t y and be uni quel y McMi l l an. And 2 I t hi nk we' r e wel l si t uat ed, based on our exper i ence, 3 t o do bot h of t hose. 4 We have a l ot of exper i ence wor ki ng wi t h 5 communi t i es and a l ot of exper i ence i n t he hi st or i c 6 pr eser vat i on pr ocess i n t he Di st r i ct and i n t he 7 sur r oundi ng communi t i es. 8 Thi s i s j ust a qui ck pr oj ect I show because 9 i t ' s i n t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a and - - 10 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s Sout h Car ol i na Avenue. 11 THE WI TNESS: You' ve got i t , you' ve got i t . 12 And I l i ke t o show t hi s sl i de because when t hese 13 houses wer e del i ver ed or t o be del i ver ed t o t he 14 r esi dent s, t he i nspect or came out and cal l ed over t o 15 t he of f i ce and sai d, " Unf or t unat el y, t her e ar e no new 16 homes t o i nspect . You know, I ' mnot sur e what t o 17 do. " And our pr oj ect manager cal l ed hi mup, dr ove 18 hi mover t o t he si t e and sai d, i n f act , " The homes on 19 t he r i ght ar e new homes and t he homes on t he l ef t ar e 20 exi st i ng Capi t al Hi l l r owhouses. " 21 And I show t hat because i n t hat i nst ance, 22 t he pr eser vat i on sol ut i on t hat was cal l ed f or by t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 320 1 HPRB and by t he communi t y was one of sor t of an exact 2 r epl i cat i on of what was i n t he sur r oundi ng communi t y. 3 And we t hi nk we di d a good j ob of addr essi ng t hose 4 concer ns and t he communi t y t her e was ver y happy wi t h 5 t he al t er nat i ve. We t ook t hat same appr oach wi t h 6 McMi l l an. 7 So t he pur pose of my t est i mony, I can 8 cer t ai nl y t al k about t he f or - sal e housi ng. I ' mgoi ng 9 t o ki nd of t ouch on each of our communi t y benef i t s 10 and r eal l y f ocus on t hose t hat have not been 11 ar t i cul at ed i n any det ai l t o dat e. 12 So I ' mgoi ng t o st ar t , act ual l y t ake i t out 13 of or der and j ust st ar t wi t h t he CBE par t i ci pat i on 14 quest i on, t her e' s been a l ot of di scussi on about i t . 15 So why do we t hi nk t hi s i s unpr ecedent ed i n 16 t er ms of our par t ner shi p wi t h J ai r Lynch Devel opment 17 Par t ner s? We wor k a l ot i n t he Di st r i ct and what we 18 f i nd i s we have devel opment par t ner s, l ocal 19 busi nesses t hat ar e par t of our t eamwhen we' r e 20 devel opi ng a si t e. And so t hey get t o t ake par t i n 21 what we do, t hey get t o l ear n f r omEYA, whi ch i s a 22 l ar ger company i n t he r egi on, and r eal l y be a par t of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 321 1 our t eam, but not have t hei r own devel opment par cel s. 2 Li ke I sai d, we' ve been i nvol ved i n a 3 number of pr oj ect s. Never once have I had t he 4 exper i ence wher e a CBE wi l l have i t s own capi t al and 5 devel op i t s own i ndi vi dual par cel . 6 So why i s t hat i mpor t ant ? You know, t he 7 Di st r i ct has an of f i ce t hat f ocuses on l ocal 8 compani es and i nsur i ng t hat l ocal compani es can t ake 9 par t i n t hese pr oj ect s. 10 Mr . Lynch i s humbl e, but he r eal l y i s sor t 11 of on t he f or ef r ont of l ocal compani es t hat do t hei r 12 own t hi ng. And why i s t hat i mpor t ant ? I can' t t el l 13 you how many peopl e say, " Oh, you know J ai r ? Can I 14 meet wi t h hi m. I ' myoung, I ' ml ocal , I want t o get 15 i n t he busi ness and I want t o f ol l ow hi s t r ack of how 16 do you become a bi g, successf ul l ocal busi ness?" Not 17 bi g yet , but get t i ng t her e. 18 But , you know, " How do you become a f i r st 19 cl ass l ocal busi ness and how do you devel op si t es on 20 your own?" And he' s one of t he f ol ks at t he 21 f or ef r ont of t hat . And so when we say unpr ecedent ed, 22 i t ' s not as i f he i s i nvest i ng i n EYA or i nvest i ng i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 322 1 Tr ammel Cr ow. He i s f ul l y devel opi ng what i n my 2 opi ni on ar e cr i t i cal , cr i t i cal pi eces of t hi s 3 pr oj ect , t he seni or housi ng, t he gr ocer y st or e, 4 r ent al housi ng, cr eat i ng pl aces al ong t he nor t h 5 ser vi ce cour t . 6 As J ai r sai d i n hi s t est i mony, he i s 7 st andi ng t oe t o t oe wi t h us. I t hi nk our per cent age 8 of t he FAR i s ver y si mi l ar t o J ai r Lynch' s. The 9 medi cal of f i ce i s t he bi gger par t of t hi s pr oj ect . 10 But my poi nt i s t hat we do bel i eve i t i s 11 especi al l y mer i t or i ous because i t i s one of t he f i r st 12 pr oj ect s t hat I amawar e of , t her e mi ght be a coupl e 13 of ot her s, but I can assur e you t her e ar en' t many, 14 wher e t he CBE devel oper has a par cel of t hi s si ze, 15 scal e and i mpor t . 16 Wi t h r egar d t o af f or dabl e housi ng, I ' d l i ke 17 t o addr ess a coupl e of quest i ons t her e. Fi r st , t he 18 f or - sal e af f or dabl e housi ng wi l l be f or sal e i n 19 per pet ui t y, j ust as Mr . Lynch ment i oned t hat t he 20 seni or housi ng woul d be. 21 I n t er ms of covenant s and such, we ar e 22 cur r ent l y wor ki ng t hr ough, and t hat ' s why we can' t McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 323 1 si t her e t oday and t el l you t hat i t i s f i nal , wi t h 2 t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on what t he f i nal l anguage wi l l be 3 wi t h r egar d t o t hose covenant s. I can assur e you, 4 havi ng wor ked wi t h t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on on covenant s 5 many, many t i mes, t hey' r e goi ng t o hol d our f eet t o 6 t he f i r e and we want t hemt o. 7 We devel op mi xed i ncome housi ng, we know 8 how t o devel op mi xed i ncome housi ng. I bel i eve t hat 9 we have a pr oposed covenant i nt o t he Zoni ng 10 Commi ssi on r i ght now. Ther e may be t weaks t o t hat 11 back and f or t h, but my sense i s when t he Zoni ng 12 Commi ssi on t akes f i nal act i on, we' r e goi ng t o have a 13 covenant i n pl ace t hat i s r est r i ct i ve i n keepi ng wi t h 14 ot her Di st r i ct pr oj ect s of t hi s si ze and scal e. 15 They' r e goi ng t o mandat e t he 20 per cent , t hey' r e 16 goi ng t o mandat e t he gener al af f or dabi l i t y l evel s 17 t hat we' ve l ai d out . That ' s how t he Di st r i ct does 18 busi ness. So I can assur e sor t of , you know, t he 19 br oader communi t y t hat our af f or dabl e housi ng pr ogr am 20 wi l l be enshr i ned i n t hat PUD, enshr i ned i n t he 21 covenant s and wi l l be del i ver ed. So t hat ' s 22 af f or dabl e housi ng. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 324 1 Wi t h r egar d t o t he r est of t hese benef i t s, 2 and I wi l l t ouch on each one, I t hi nk what i s 3 i mpor t ant her e, l ooki ng back agai n t o t hi s sor t of 4 ver y hi gh bar t hat i s speci al mer i t , each and ever y 5 one of t hese communi t y benef i t s wer e suggest ed and/ or 6 put f or t h or mandat ed, f r ankl y, t he Ci t y, t he ci t y 7 counci l member i n War d 5 and t he ANC, who' s act ual l y 8 been ki nd enough t o wai t her e t oday. 9 And so when we t al k about communi t y 10 benef i t s at l ar ge, what we di d i s st ar t i ng wi t h t he 11 Di st r i ct and t he counci l member who r epr esent s t hat 12 communi t y at l ar ge, sai d, " What woul d make t hi s 13 pr oj ect speci al f or you, not j ust an ever yday publ i c- 14 pr i vat e par t ner shi p, but a uni que pr oj ect ?" And I ' d 15 l i ke t o say t hat we have addr essed a vast maj or i t y of 16 t hose i ssues i n put t i ng f or t h t hi s compr ehensi ve set 17 of publ i c benef i t s her e. 18 So I ' mgoi ng t o t al k a l i t t l e bi t about t he 19 publ i c par k. I know we' ve had a f ai r bi t of 20 di scussi on ar ound i t and so I ' mnot goi ng t o r ead 21 t hr ough t hese agai n. But I wi l l say havi ng been 22 i nvol ved now f or ei ght year s, a vast publ i c par k i s McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 325 1 somet hi ng t hat i s i mpor t ant t o many peopl e, many 2 peopl e i n t hi s r oom. Some f ol ks want i t bi gger , but 3 i n ki nd of wor ki ng t hr ough t he r i ght si ze of a par k, 4 we f ound t hi s t o be an ext r aor di nar i l y l ar ge and 5 wonder f ul space t hat can be enj oyed by t he communi t y. 6 The communi t y cent er . Agai n, I ' d l i ke t o 7 speak about t hi s one. You' ve seen t he pr ogr am, 8 you' ve seen t he sl i des. Wher e di d t hi s r equest come 9 f r omwi t h r egar d t o t he communi t y at l ar ge? 10 The si t t i ng counci l member , as you' ve hear d, 11 l i ves acr oss t he st r eet . Our si ngl e member ANC, 12 who' s si t t i ng her e t oday, and many f ol ks i n t he 13 communi t y sai d, " A par k woul d be one t hi ng and we 14 want a par k and we need a par k. But t her e ar e ot her 15 communi t i es t hr oughout t he ci t y who have excel l ent 16 communi t y cent er s and wi t h t hi s excel l ent oppor t uni t y 17 t o devel op t he si t e, we want a communi t y cent er 18 her e. " 19 And so agai n, t hat r equest was made. We 20 wor ked wi t h t he Di st r i ct t o i ncl ude f unds f or i t i n 21 t he budget . We wor ked wi t h Mr . Bel l and company t o 22 desi gn somet hi ng t hat ' s i n keepi ng wi t h t he si t e and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 326 1 wer e abl e t o del i ver on somet hi ng t hat was of 2 si gni f i cant i mpor t t o t he communi t y. 3 I want t o t al k a l i t t l e bi t about t he par k 4 i n t er ms of cont ext . We st udi ed t he best par ks 5 i nst r ument t he nat i on, per i od. And so I ' ve got t wo 6 pi ct ur es her e. I ' l l st ar t wi t h t he bot t omone, 7 act ual l y. I t ' s Ci t ygar den i n St . Loui s. Thr ee 8 acr es. So, you know, al most a l i t t l e bi gger t han a 9 t hi r d of our ei ght acr es. Hi gh densi t y sur r oundi ngs, 10 as you can see, desi gned by Nel son, Byr d, Wol z. 11 And we haven' t t al ked about t hemmuch. 12 They ar e our l andscape ar chi t ect and, f r ankl y, a f i r m 13 of i nt er nat i onal r eput at i on. Thi s par k, at t hr ee 14 acr es i n downt own St . Loui s, was awar ded t he Ur ban 15 Land I nst i t ut e Par k of t he Year Awar d i n 2012. And 16 what I ' l l not e about i t i s i t ' s got gr eat l andscape 17 desi gn. 18 What we t hi nk makes our par k and par ks wor k 19 i n t oday' s day and age i s some l evel of vi t al i t y and, 20 yes, maybe t hi s i s a di r t y wor d, but densi t y, because 21 you do need peopl e ar ound a par k t o make i t vi br ant . 22 So you' ve got t he communi t i es t o t he sout h, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 327 1 Bl oomi ngdal e, and t o t he east , St r onghol d. 2 But what we ar e doi ng i s r eal l y gi vi ng t he 3 par k, f r ankl y, a saf et y and al so a vi t al i t y t hr ough 4 devel opment associ at ed wi t h a par k t hat you see i n 5 bot h Ci t ygar den and t hen a mor e l ocal exampl e, t he 6 2013 wi nner of t he Ur ban Land I nst i t ut e Par k of t he 7 Year Awar d, a f i ve- acr e par k i n t he Di st r i ct , and 8 si gni f i cant l y mor e densi t y t han McMi l l an wi l l have. 9 But i f you' ve been her e on a Fr i day ni ght , you can 10 see par t of t he vi t al i t y of t hi s par k. 11 And what we' r e t r yi ng t o cr eat e i n McMi l l an 12 wi l l r esul t f r omwhat i s ar ound t he par k, as wel l . 13 So we want t o be t he best , we want t o be speci al 14 mer i t and we t hi nk our par k wi l l be on par wi t h t hese 15 gr eat par ks ar ound t he count r y. 16 You hear d Ms. Cor bet t t al k about an 17 expanded t r anspor t at i on net wor k. I amnot a t r af f i c 18 engi neer and I ' mnot t est i f yi ng t o t he Zoni ng 19 Commi ssi on r epor t t hat was submi t t ed. What I can say 20 and what I t hi nk Ms. Cor bet t was t r yi ng t o expl ai n i s 21 t hat whet her i t ' s pr i vat el y- owned shut t l e, Bi keshar e 22 docks, shor t and l ong- t er mbi cycl e st or age, a McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 328 1 mul t i modal t r ansi t hub, a number of i mpr ovement s 2 ar ound t he si t e wi t h r egar d t o r oad i mpr ovement s, we 3 have pr oposed a hef t y package of t r anspor t at i on 4 i mpr ovement s t o t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 5 And what ' s i mpor t ant her e i s t hat we' ve 6 wor ked wi t h DDOT f or mont hs. DDOT has appr oved our 7 package of i mpr ovement s. The Zoni ng Commi ssi on has 8 t ent at i vel y - - or pr el i mi nar i l y, I shoul d say, not 9 t ent at i vel y - - appr oved our t r ansi t i mpr ovement s. 10 And we t hi nk wer e br i ngi ng a l ot t o t he t abl e i n 11 t er ms of mor e oppor t uni t i es f or peopl e t o exper i ence 12 t he si t e and get t o t he si t e i n di f f er ent ways t han 13 t hey can t oday wi t h r egar d t o t he bi kes. 14 And what el se we' l l do wi t h r egar d t o t hi s 15 i s, as t hi s devel opment happens, al l of t he pl ans f or 16 t he ci t y i n t er ms of t he st r eet car and even 17 Ci r cul at or assume t he devel opment of McMi l l an, and 18 what DDOT has sai d i s once t hi s pr oj ect comes, " We 19 wi l l st ar t i nvest i ng i n t hose ot her f or ms of 20 t r anspor t at i on. " 21 And what we t hi nk wi l l happen ul t i mat el y, 22 t he l ong- t er msol ut i on, i s t hat wi t h st r eet car or McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 329 1 even mor e publ i c t r anspor t at i on access, l i ke t he 2 Ci r cul at or , get t i ng t o t hi s si t e wi l l be easi er t o 3 get t o and t her e wi l l be di f f er ent f or ms of 4 t r anspor t at i on t han t her e ar e t oday. 5 We' ve t al ked about l ow- i mpact devel opment 6 and so we want t o be cl ear on t hi s poi nt . Ther e' s a 7 desi gnat i on cal l ed LEED ND f or mast er pl ans and we' ve 8 scor ed our si t e and we meet t he base l evel s of what 9 i t means t o be LEED ND and we i nt end t o exceed t hose. 10 As you can see i n t he Power Poi nt her e, 11 t her e' s a number of di f f er ent st or mwat er management 12 t echni ques we' l l use. As Mr . Bel l descr i bed, we' ve 13 got a gr eat r ai n gar den f or r unni ng down t he nor t h- 14 sout h st r eet s, what we bel i eve wi l l be best i n cl ass 15 wi t h r egar d t o envi r onment al desi gn. 16 Anot her sor t of l ar ge component of our 17 pr oj ect and of our communi t y benef i t s and of our 18 speci al mer i t appl i cat i on t hat we haven' t t al ked 19 about i n det ai l , as par t of t hi s pr ocess we went 20 t hr ough a ver y det ai l ed conver sat i on, maybe 21 negot i at i on I ' l l say, wi t h t he Advi sor y Nei ghbor hood 22 Commi ssi on t hat i s wher e t he si t e i s l ocat ed. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 330 1 And i n summar y, we came up wi t h a communi t y 2 benef i t s package. Because as i mpor t ant as i t was f or 3 us t o i nvest i n McMi l l an, t he communi t i es ar ound t he 4 si t e sai d, " You need t o i nvest ar ound McMi l l an. " And 5 so you can see t he number s on t he scr een her e, but 6 economi c and j ob oppor t uni t i es, we' r e maki ng an 7 i nvest ment . We' r e maki ng an i nvest ment i n al l of 8 t hese ar eas and I ' l l t al k a l i t t l e bi t mor e about 9 each of t hese. 10 So economi c and j ob oppor t uni t i es. A t ot al 11 of $1. 425 mi l l i on goi ng t o wor kf or ce devel opment , 12 j obs f or t eens and seni or s and busi ness st ar t - ups, as 13 wel l . So t he poi nt her e i s t hat t her e' s a bi g 14 devel opment pr oj ect t hat wi l l be happeni ng i n t hi s 15 communi t y and we want ed t o ensur e t hat peopl e wi t hi n 16 t he communi t y, t he communi t y at l ar ge, woul d have t he 17 oppor t uni t y and t he abi l i t y t hr ough t he use of t hese 18 f unds, wor ki ng wi t h nonpr of i t s, t o act ual l y access 19 t hese j obs. 20 Mr . Weer s t al ked a l i t t l e bi t about t hi s, 21 but her e' s some mor e det ai l wi t h r egar d t o t her e' s a 22 mi l l i on dol l ar s and t hen we can wal k t hr ough some of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 331 1 t he ot her s. 2 A schol ar shi p f und of $300, 000. 00. I wi l l 3 t el l you t hat we' ve been i nvol ved i n schol ar shi p 4 f unds i n War d 5. Ther e i s a need f or , you know, 5 br i ght , young chi l dr en who - - we al l know how much i t 6 cost s t o at t end col l ege t hese days - - t o at t end t wo- , 7 f our - year post hi gh school i nst i t ut i ons. The 8 $300, 000. 00 wi l l be used f or War d 5 st udent s t o 9 at t end col l ege and si mi l ar . 10 We al so want t o be suppor t i ve at t he hi gh 11 school l evel and so agai n, i n di scussi ons wi t h f ol ks 12 who r epr esent t he communi t y at l ar ge, i t was 13 det er mi ned t hat t hese school s r i ght ar ound t he 14 McMi l l an si t e, Dunbar , McKi nl ey and Langl ey, shoul d 15 r ecei ve dol l ar s so f ol ks at a younger age coul d get 16 i nvol ved i n t he f i el ds t hat wi l l one day be 17 r epr esent ed at McMi l l an. And so a ver y t ar get ed 18 appr oach and a t ar get ed i nvest ment t o ensur e t hat 19 f ol ks i n t he sur r oundi ng communi t i es wi l l have access 20 t o al l t hat McMi l l an wi l l be. 21 Facade i mpr ovement gr ant . So agai n, t hi s 22 $150, 000. 00 does not r epr esent anyt hi ng t o do wi t h McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 332 1 t he McMi l l an si t e. I t hi nk par t of our suggest i on 2 wi t h r egar d t o speci al mer i t i s t hi s pr oj ect wi l l be 3 a r evi t al i zat i on pr oj ect . 4 Thi s pr oj ect i s not downt own, i t i s an ar ea 5 whi ch st i l l has a hi gh unempl oyment r at e and needs 6 r evi t al i zat i on. The f acade i mpr ovement gr ant s ar e 7 f or busi nesses sur r oundi ng t he si t e so t hat t hey, 8 t oo, wi l l have t he economi c oppor t uni t y and dol l ar s 9 needed t o make i mpr ovement s t o t hei r busi ness, so 10 t hat when McMi l l an happens, t hey' l l be par t of t hi s 11 l ar ger r enai ssance i n t he ar ea. 12 And t hen f unds f or si gnage, t r ees and t r ee 13 boxes. Agai n, a di r ect r equest f r omt he 14 counci l member and t he Advi sor y Nei ghbor hood 15 Commi ssi on i s, " I f you' r e goi ng t o do t hi s pr oj ect , 16 our sur r oundi ng communi t i es need dol l ar s f or 17 beaut i f i cat i on. " And so we' ve come up wi t h an 18 al l ocat i on amongst al l t he ar eas i mmedi at el y 19 sur r oundi ng McMi l l an and t hi s i s t he al l ocat i on of 20 t hose dol l ar s. 21 Ther e was a quest i on r egar di ng pr ogr ammi ng 22 and mai nt enance of t he par k. And so l et me st ar t by McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 333 1 sayi ng, and I t hi nk we' ve sai d t hi s a number of t i mes 2 publ i cl y, t he par k wi l l be owned by t he Di st r i ct of 3 Col umbi a and be open t o al l Di st r i ct r esi dent s. 4 So I ' l l st ar t t her e. The devel opment t eam 5 i s not pur chasi ng t hat l and. We ar e, however , 6 because of our exper t i se, char ged wi t h desi gni ng i t 7 and comi ng up wi t h a l ong- t er mi mpl ement at i on 8 pr ogr am. 9 And so as par t of our PUD, we have pr oposed 10 $750, 000. 00 t o cr eat e var i ous pr ogr ammi ng f or t he 11 par k and t he hi st or i c r esour ces, var i ous busi ness 12 i ncubat or s, mai nt enance. And t hi s i s, f r ankl y, j ust 13 seed dol l ar s. I t i s our char ge, l onger t er m, t o put 14 t oget her , as Ms. Ei g t est i f i ed, a BI D, a busi ness 15 i mpr ovement di st r i ct , t hat wi l l r un f or t he ci t y not 16 j ust t he par k, but t he communi t y cent er and t he 17 hi st or i c cour t s and t he act i vi t y t hat goes on t her e. 18 I t was ver y i mpor t ant t o t he ci t y t hat we had a good 19 pl an on t he t abl e, but t hat t hey woul d r et ai n 20 owner shi p t o ensur e t hat t he par k woul d be publ i c i n 21 per pet ui t y, as i t i s pr oposed t oday. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Wi l l t he ci t y own t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 334 1 communi t y cent er ? 2 THE WI TNESS: The ci t y wi l l l i kel y own t he 3 communi t y cent er . And I say l i kel y because what we 4 coul d do her e, what t he ci t y coul d ul t i mat el y do, i s 5 say, "Ther e' s a BI D f or med and we t r ansf er al l t hi s 6 pr oper t y t o t he BI D, wi t h t he covenant t hat says you 7 can' t do anyt hi ng but what i s appr oved by t he PUD. " 8 Ther e' s a number of appr oaches. Publ i c use i s our 9 poi nt , t hough, al ways be publ i c use. 10 So t hat concl udes my t est i mony. I ' l l j ust 11 cl ose by sayi ng t hat i t i s not one of t hese publ i c 12 benef i t s t hat ear ns us, i n my vi ew, speci al mer i t ; 13 i t ' s t he combi nat i on of al l of t hemt hat addr esses a 14 pl et hor a of needs, desi r es and benef i t s t hat t he 15 communi t y has r equest ed and we l ook f or war d t o bei ng 16 abl e t o del i ver on t hose pr omi ses. Thank you. 17 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. 18 MS. BROWN: I have a coupl e of qui ck 19 f ol l ow- up quest i ons. 20 THE WI TNESS: Sur e. 21 BY MS. BROWN: 22 Q You began your testimony talking about the McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 335 1 affordable dwelling unit covenants and the PUD 2 covenants and how the Zoning Commission will hold 3 your feet to the fire to make sure that you get 4 there. 5 I just want to make sure that we get the 6 record straight. 7 A Of cour se. 8 Q The Zoning Commission will put conditions 9 into the PUD order requiring you to meet the 10 affordable housing requirements, correct? 11 A Cor r ect . 12 Q And from there, you record a PUD covenant 13 on the property, which makes those conditions in 14 force, correct? 15 A Cor r ect . 16 Q And you will have a separate covenant with 17 the Department of Housing and Community Development 18 on the affordable dwelling units. 19 A That ' s cor r ect . 20 MS. BROWN: Okay, t hank you, t hat ' s al l I 21 have. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you. Ms. Fer st er . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 336 1 MS. FERSTER: A coupl e of qui ck quest i ons. 2 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 3 BY MS. FERSTER: 4 Q So you're basically relying on the Zoning 5 Commission covenants, then, to provide the 6 enforceability in terms of your commitment for 7 affordable housing and that sort of thing? 8 A No, one, Zoni ng Commi ssi on, t wo, t he 9 Depar t ment of Housi ng and Communi t y Devel opment , and 10 my sense, and t hi s i s what Mr . Lynch says as wel l , 11 t her e' s al so a l and di sposi t i on pr ocess t hat we ar e, 12 f r ankl y, j ust st ar t i ng t o go t hr ough. Our sense i s 13 t hat t hat , t oo - - 14 I mean t he Di st r i ct i s goi ng t o be sel l i ng 15 us par cel s. Of cour se, t hey ar e goi ng t o have 16 covenant s t hat I i magi ne woul d be t he same covenant s 17 as t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on and DHCD, because we don' t 18 want sor t of di f f er i ng af f or dabi l i t y l evel s. I 19 i magi ne we' r e goi ng t o have sor t of one set of pol i cy 20 goal s enshr i ned i n a number of di f f er ent pl aces. 21 Q So your position is that the Mayor's Agent 22 should rely on the fact that these other entities are McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 337 1 going to include these covenants, even though these 2 covenants have not yet been entered into. 3 A The Zoni ng Commi ssi on t ook a vot e and t hei r 4 vot e on t hi s past Monday eveni ng i ncl uded our 5 pr oposal of 20 per cent of t he si t e bei ng af f or dabl e 6 housi ng, as we pr oposed. 7 Q But in terms of the specific covenants that 8 you talked about -- 9 A Ri ght . 10 Q -- you know, to ensure that it's in 11 perpetuity and that sort of thing, has the Zoning 12 Commission specifically voted to approve those types 13 of covenants? 14 A I bel i eve t hat t her e' s a pr oposal on t he 15 t abl e i n t er ms of - - 16 Q Not yet. 17 A - - t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 18 Q Not yet. 19 A I t ' s j ust t hat t hey haven' t t aken f i nal 20 act i on. 21 Q That's right. 22 A They' r e awar e. But I want t o say t hi s. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 338 1 Ther e ar e gener al l y accept ed nor ms wi t h r egar d t o 2 af f or dabl e dwel l i ng uni t s i n t he Di st r i ct of 3 Col umbi a, t her e' s pol i cy t hat has been - - we bui l d 4 houses l i ke t he J ai r Lynch Devel opment Pr oj ect has. 5 We' r e goi ng t o met t hose same - - i f t hose ar en' t 6 sat i sf act or y, you know, t her e' s not hi ng t hat we can 7 do about t hat , but t he Di st r i ct - - 8 I ' ve been hear i ng a l ot of t he quest i ons 9 and t he bot t oml i ne i s, even wi t h r egar d t o your 10 quest i ons ar ound AMI , t he Di st r i ct det er mi nes t hat 11 bet ween zer o and 80 per cent of AMI i s what i s 12 consi der ed af f or dabl e housi ng. 13 You may not l i ke t hat , I may not l i ke t hat , 14 but t he mat er i al i t y i n my vi ew i s t hat bet ween zer o 15 and 80 i s consi der ed af f or dabl e housi ng i n t he 16 Di st r i ct of Col umbi a, pur suant t o i ncl usi onar y zoni ng 17 and DHCD. And we' r e meet i ng t hose r equi r ement s 18 t hr ough a number of ways wi t h t he appr opr i at e bodi es 19 who we ar e supposed t o have agr eement s wi t h. 20 Q But just in terms of the specifics -- 21 A Yes. 22 Q -- of the affordability, your position, McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 339 1 then, is that the Mayor's Agent should essentially 2 rely on the fact that the government agencies are 3 going to include the specifics that will ensure that 4 this affordable housing is available to, you know, 5 the required number of tenants who meet the 6 particular income eligibility, that it's 7 enforceable -- 8 A Ri ght . 9 Q -- they'll be monitoring. All that stuff 10 is going to be done in the future and the Mayor's 11 Agent should rely on that. 12 A Wel l , l et me say t hi s - - 13 Q In fact, everybody else is -- 14 A That ' s a good quest i on, so l et me say i t 15 t hi s way. I ' l l consul t wi t h our at t or ney. Ther e i s 16 no i ssue wi t h us meet i ng our af f or dabl e housi ng 17 r equi r ement s, so you know, we' l l - - I don' t have t he 18 answer because I act ual l y don' t know exact l y what i s 19 r equi r ed by t he Mayor ' s Agent pr ocess. Because t her e 20 ar e so many ent i t l ement s i n t hi s pr oj ect t hat , you 21 know, I t hought t hemcover ed el sewher e. 22 But I ' l l say i t ver y si mpl y. I f i t i s par t McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 340 1 of pr ocess t hat we make t he same commi t ment t o t he 2 Mayor ' s Agent t hat we have made t o ever y ot her 3 ent i t l ement body, of cour se we' l l do t hat . 4 I want t o be ver y cl ear t hat t her e' s 5 not hi ng t o hi de her e. As I sai d, al l of t he 6 devel oper s on t hi s t eamhave devel oped si gni f i cant 7 mi xed i ncome housi ng i n t he Di st r i ct and we' r e goi ng 8 t o do so her e. So what ever t he r equi r ement s of t he 9 Mayor ' s Agent ' s pr ocess ar e, we' r e happy t o do t hose. 10 Q Thank you, I appreciate that. Okay, so you 11 had mentioned that DDOT had approved the package of 12 transportation improvements that are on the site. 13 A Yes. 14 Q But isn't it correct that DDOT, in the 15 context of approving this, has also said that 16 significant transit capacity improvements are needed 17 to accommodate the expected increase in travel 18 demands, including 1,100 new bus seats of capacity, 19 and that DDOT has made no commitment whatsoever to 20 fund Circulator or streetcar? 21 A I t ' s a good quest i on. So as we submi t t ed 22 t o t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on - - and I t hi nk one of t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 341 1 r easons, f r ankl y, t hat t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on di d t ake 2 t hat vot e i n our f avor i s DDOT sai d, " Look, t hi s 3 pr oj ect i s a number of year s away. We can' t commi t 4 t o i t bei ng Ci r cul at or ver sus st r eet car ver sus 5 expansi on of t he WMATA bus l i nes, whi ch ar e al so 6 goi ng t o t he si t e t oday. We don' t know yet , i t ' s t oo 7 ear l y. " They di d commi t , i f you' l l not e i n t hei r 8 r epor t , t o enhanci ng publ i c t r ansi t ser vi ce at t he 9 si t e now. 10 Now, what we sai d i s, " Look, we can' t r el y 11 on t hat , and t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on was sayi ng, " We 12 l i ke t hi s pr oj ect gener al l y, but we ar e concer ned 13 about t r af f i c, " and f r ankl y, we ar e concer ned about 14 t r af f i c, ver y sel f - i nt er est edl y. We don' t want you 15 or Mr . Nor man si t t i ng i n t r af f i c, you know, comi ng t o 16 t he gr ocer y st or e at t he si t e. 17 So what we sai d was, We wi l l f und, 18 r egar dl ess of cost , t he amount of shut t l e seat s, t he 19 1, 100 or what ever i t ul t i mat el y i s. We wi l l f und 20 pr i vat e ser vi ces t o f ul f i l l t hat demand i f DDOT does 21 not f i l l i t . 22 I f you want my opi ni on, my opi ni on i s DDOT McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 342 1 wi l l f i l l much of i t , but not al l of i t , and we wi l l 2 have pr i vat e shut t l es, as wel l . 3 But i n or der f or t he pr oj ect t o move 4 f or war d, we sai d we wi l l f und al l of t he expansi on of 5 what I ' l l cal l a pr i vat e shut t l e t hat i s necessar y t o 6 f ul f i l l al l t he t r i ps t hat our pr oj ect i s causi ng. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Shut t l e t o t he Br ookl and 8 Met r o? 9 THE WI TNESS: What we' r e t hi nki ng i s 10 Br ookl and and Col umbi a Hei ght s, sor t of a pr i vat e 11 Ci r cul at or , i f you wi l l , yeah. 12 MS. FERSTER: That ' s al l I have. 13 MS. MERRI TT: I have a coupl e of f ol l ow- up 14 quest i ons. 15 BY MS. MERRI TT: 16 Q You testified about the community center 17 and the park. 18 A I di d. 19 Q And you said that EYA's responsibility is 20 to design the park and to implement the programming. 21 What about constructing the park? 22 A Agai n, l et me back up. When I say " our , " McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 343 1 when I say "our , " I mean Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s. 2 Q Okay. 3 A So Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s i s t he t hr ee 4 gr oups, EYA, J ai r Lynch, Tr ammel Cr ow. Anne Cor bet t 5 i s our pr oj ect di r ect or . And so as par t of t he 6 pr ocess t hat we ar e cur r ent l y goi ng t hr ough, i t 7 obvi ousl y i s and was and wi l l cont i nue t o be our 8 r esponsi bi l i t y t o desi gn t he par k, as we have 9 desi gned t o dat e t hat you see. 10 Q EYA. 11 A No, no, speaki ng of Vi si on McMi l l an 12 Par t ner s. EYA' s i nvol vement i n t he si t e i s t hr ough 13 Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s, whi ch i s a devel opment 14 par t ner shi p, r i ght ? So i n our capaci t y as Vi si on 15 McMi l l an Par t ner s, one of our t asks i s t o desi gn t he 16 par k. 17 To answer your quest i on, we ar e st i l l 18 wor ki ng wi t h t he ci t y t o det er mi ne who wi l l act ual l y 19 bui l d t he par k. I t ' s t he ci t y' s r esponsi bi l i t y t o 20 ul t i mat el y bui l d t he i nf r ast r uct ur e and par k and 21 communi t y cent er . And we' r e wor ki ng wi t h t hem 22 because we have t he exper t i se t o bui l d t he par k and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 344 1 t he i nf r ast r uct ur e and t he communi t y cent er i n t er ms 2 of t he agr eement of how best t o do t hat . 3 Q So at this point it's uncertain about the 4 degree to which the city will do that or -- 5 A No, i t ' s not uncer t ai n. I t ' s t he ci t y' s 6 r esponsi bi l i t y t o bui l d t he i nf r ast r uct ur e f or t he 7 si t e and t he par k and t he communi t y cent er , r i ght ? 8 The ci t y has commi t t ed dol l ar s i n i t s budget t o do 9 exact l y t hat . I t ' s j ust a quest i on of wor ki ng 10 t hr ough t he f i ner det ai l s of t he i mpl ement at i on of 11 t he bui l d- out . 12 What I i magi ne wi l l happen i s t hey' l l say, 13 you know, go t al k t o t hr ee or f our of t he f i r ms t hat 14 do t hi s t ype of const r uct i on on a r egul ar basi s, get 15 bi ds f r omt hemand t he Di st r i ct , i n consul t wi t h us, 16 wi l l act ual l y sel ect a f i r mt hat has exper t i se i n t he 17 const r uct i on of par ks, communi t y cent er s, t he r oads 18 and so on. 19 Q What's your understanding of the amount of 20 money that the District has set aside in its budget 21 for that work as you referred to? 22 A I know t hat t he Di st r i ct has $50 mi l l i on i n McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 345 1 i t s budget f or capi t al i nvest ment i n McMi l l an. 2 Q And it's your understanding that's for the 3 park, the community center, the roads, et cetera -- 4 A Cor r ect . 5 Q -- and construction. 6 A Cor r ect . 7 Q One other question. You mentioned that you 8 negotiated with one of the ANCs and you outlined some 9 mitigation measures. Which of the ANCs were you 10 referring to? 11 A We negot i at ed wi t h I bel i eve t he 5E, t he 12 ANC t hat - - wel l , t hi s i s an i mpor t ant poi nt her e. 13 We negot i at ed wi t h t he ANC wher e t he si t e i s l ocat ed 14 and so I bel i eve t hat ' s ANC 5E. So we met wi t h ANC 15 5E, Ms. Cor bet t di d, I di d and Mr . Lynch di d, over a 16 sever al mont h pr ocess. 17 And t hei r char ge t o us was, " Thi s i s a good 18 pr oj ect , but we want t o see mor e communi t y benef i t s 19 out si de t he wal l s of t hi s pr oj ect , " so t hat ' s how we 20 came up wi t h t hat agr eement . 21 Q One of the earlier witnesses mentioned that 22 there were three ANCs involved in this jurisdiction. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 346 1 A Ms. Cor bet t di d, so t her e ar e t wo adj acent 2 ANCs. But i n t he way devel opment pr oj ect s t ypi cal l y 3 wor k, we wor k wi t h t he ANC t hat i s, quot e, unquot e, 4 "most ef f ect i ve" and t he ANC t hat i s most ef f ect i ve 5 i s t he one i n whi ch t he pr oper t y act ual l y si t s. 6 Q And did you negotiate with the MAG, the 7 McMillan Advisory Group, did you reach out to them? 8 A I mean wi t h t hemand agai n, I ' mnot par t y 9 t o al l of t he det ai l s. But we met wi t h t hem, you 10 know, I woul d cer t ai nl y say t ens of t i mes t hr oughout 11 t he cour se of t he year , we t ook t hei r i nput , and we 12 pr ovi ded a benef i t s package t hat we t hought met t he 13 needs of t he communi t y. 14 Ul t i mat el y, t he way t he pr ocess wor ks i n 15 t he Di st r i ct i s you do wor k on t hose t ypes of t hi ngs 16 wi t h t he af f ect ed ANC. 17 Q You mentioned at the beginning of your 18 testimony that there was an extraordinarily 19 competitive process and that five different 20 development teams were put through the wringer. 21 A I di d. 22 Q Was that in response to the 2006 McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 347 1 solicitation -- 2 A I t was. 3 Q -- by NCRC? 4 A That was. 5 Q And do you know who the other five teams 6 were? 7 A I knew you' d ask t hat ask, I ' mst ar t i ng t o 8 t hi nk about i t . Ther e' s a f i r mcal l ed Ket t l er , whi ch 9 has a gr eat r eput at i on her e l ocal l y and nat i onal l y, 10 t hat was one of t he t eams. Ther e' s a t eamI deal t 11 wi t h named East Banc and I t hi nk t hey act ual l y t eamed 12 up wi t h a nat i onal f i r m, so t hat ' s t wo. I j ust don' t 13 r ecal l t he names of t he ot her t wo. I ' msur e I coul d 14 f i nd t hat i n t he r ecor ds, i t was a ver y publ i c 15 pr ocess. 16 Q There are significant differences -- I 17 don't have a copy in my hand, but there are 18 significant differences between some of the 19 parameters spelled out in the 2006 solicitation and 20 in the current plan. I wonder if you could address 21 those differences. 22 A I can' t , I don' t bel i eve. I mean we' ve McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 348 1 wor ked on t he pr oj ect wi t h t he Di st r i ct , who i ssued 2 t he sol i ci t at i on. 3 Q Do you know what any of the other five 4 teams proposed in terms of their concepts? 5 A I can t el l you, when I sai d " put us t hr ough 6 t he wr i nger , " I was havi ng memor i es of t hi s pr ocess. 7 We wer e i n t he basement of a chur ch r i ght of f of 8 Nor t h Capi t ol and al l I can say, t hat t her e wer e a 9 number of communi t y meet i ngs, dur i ng whi ch t eams 10 pr oposed bot h t hei r qual i f i cat i ons and ver y br oad 11 concept s. 12 And agai n, I t hi nk what ' s i mpor t ant her e i s 13 I t hi nk we wer e sel ect ed f or t hi s pr oj ect not because 14 we had t he r i ght pl an; i t ' s because we had t he 15 wher ewi t hal , t he capaci t y, t he bandwi dt h t o br i ng on 16 f ol ks l i ke Emi l y Ei g and Mat t Bel l and Anne Cor bet t 17 and Hol l and and Kni ght and ot her s t o put t oget her , 18 t hr ough a ver y communi t y or i ent ed pr ocess over many 19 year s, t he r i ght pl an. I mean t hat ' s what we wer e 20 sel ect ed t o do, not t o say, " Thi s i s t he pl an, " 21 per i od, t he end, but sol i ci t t he f ol ks who ar e t he 22 exper t s. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 349 1 That ' s t he devel oper ' s r ol e, t o be t he 2 conduct or and pul l t oget her somet hi ng t hat at t he end 3 of t he day, we t hi nk, you know, i s t he r i ght sol ut i on 4 f or us. That ' s what we do ever y day. 5 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any f ur t her 6 quest i ons. Thank you. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: Do you have anyt hi ng f ur t her ? 8 MS. BROWN: No, I don' t . 9 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , t hank you ver y 10 much. 11 THE WI TNESS: Thank you. 12 MS. BROWN: We do have one f i nal wi t ness 13 and I hope t o be out of her e qui ckl y, Mr . Li ndsl ey 14 Wi l l i ams, and I ' mpr oposi ng hi mas an exper t i n 15 pl anni ng and zoni ng. I have hi s r esum her e. 16 ( Exhi bi t 5 i s mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on. ) 17 Wher eupon, 18 LI NDSLEY WI LLI AMS 19 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 20 f ol l ows: 21 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 22 BY MS. BROWN: McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 350 1 Q If you could introduce yourself, Mr. 2 Williams. 3 A Good af t er noon. For t he r ecor d, my name i s 4 Li ndsl ey Wi l l i ams. I have been act i ve i n pl anni ng 5 and zoni ng mat t er s f or qui t e a whi l e her e i n t he 6 Di st r i ct of Col umbi a. 7 My hi st or y her e goes back t o when I moved 8 i n 1966 t o t he ar ea, i n 1970 t o t he ar ea. Shor t l y 9 af t er t hat , I had a r ol e i n t he l ocal communi t y, 10 somet hi ng l i ke what Anne Sel l i n di d l at er on wi t h 11 t hi s par t i cul ar si t e. But I was r esponsi bl e f or 12 nomi nat i ng t he War dman Tower compl ex i nt o t he J oi nt 13 Commi t t ee on Landmar ks at t he t i me. 14 So I have some hi st or y wi t h hi st or i c 15 pr eser vat i on and I r ever e i t , but I ' ve al so t aken on 16 ot her r ol es t hat ar e consi st ent wi t h my t r ai ni ng as 17 an ur ban pl anner and t hat ' s what I ' l l t al k about 18 t oday. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: One moment . So any obj ect i on 20 t o hi s qual i f yi ng? 21 MS. FERSTER: No obj ect i on. 22 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, Mr . Wi l l i ams, you' r e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 351 1 qual i f i ed as a exper t wi t ness. 2 THE WI TNESS: The assi gnment I have t oday 3 i s essent i al l y t o show you, Mr . Hear i ng Exami ner , how 4 t he par t i cul ar appl i cat i on i s sat i sf yi ng of t he 5 r equi r ement s r el at i ng par t i cul ar l y t o t he 6 Compr ehensi ve Pl an. 7 The way I went about t hat i s t o show you 8 what t he pr ovi si ons ar e t hat expl i ci t l y r el at e t o t he 9 Comp. Pl an i n t he many vol umes t hat ar e t her e and t o 10 say how I see t he pl ans st acki ng up agai nst i t . 11 So f or exampl e, t he pl an says, at MC- 2. 6 i n 12 one of t he subsect i ons, 2016. 1, i t ' s f or communi t y 13 devel opment pur poses. Thi s was what was st at ed at 14 t he t i me i n 1987 and t he McMi l l an Pl an pr ovi des 15 pr eci sel y t hat . 16 The McMi l l an si t e, as not ed i n t he next 17 sect i on, has had a l ot of communi t y f or ums. We' ve 18 hear d about t hat mor e t han per haps some of us want ed 19 t o r emi nded of t oday. But i t ' s gone on and on and on 20 and now we have t he pl an r ef l ect i ng t he ext ended 21 ef f or t s of t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a t o r eal i ze 22 communi t y devel opment and t he hur dl es i t ' s f aced McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 352 1 si nce t he t r ansf er of owner shi p i n 1987. 2 Not e, i n par t i cul ar , t he f act t hat t he use 3 i n 1980 was ut i l i t y and t hat ' s what t he Compr ehensi ve 4 Pl an even i n ' 89, ' 82 r ef l ect ed - - excuse me, i t was 5 r ef l ect ed l at er i n one of t he ear l y pl ans t hat I ' l l 6 show you. 7 On open space, t he pl an says t hat i t shoul d 8 be dedi cat ed, a subst ant i al por t i on, a cont i guous 9 por t i on of t he si t e, f or r ecr eat i on and open space. 10 We' ve had di f f er ent ki nds of number s showi ng how i t 11 went f r omdi f f er ent st ages, f r omsi x acr es t o ni ne 12 acr es, up t o as much as 12 acr es. Thi s pl an has over 13 hal f of t hat i n t he sout h par k ar ea al one and i t 14 sat i sf i es t hat cr i t er i a. 15 Under hi st or i c pr eser vat i on of t he McMi l l an 16 Reser voi r , t he pl an says - - and t hi s i s r eal l y 17 i mpor t ant , I ' d l i ke you t o f ocus on t hese wor ds. I t 18 says t wo t hi ngs. I t says somet hi ng about what we 19 shoul d do about t he above gr ound el ement s and what we 20 shoul d do about t he bel ow gr ade el ement s. 21 For t he above gr ade el ement s, i t says, 22 " Rest or e key above gr ade el ement s. " Ther e ar e a l ot McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 353 1 of sur vi vi ng t ower s, t her e ar e t he pumps t her e, t he 2 met er st at i ons. Ther e ar e ot her f eat ur es of t he 3 bui l t envi r onment whi ch ar e vi si bl e on t he ext er i or . 4 And I t hi nk you' ve hear d any number of 5 r ef er ences, f r omEmi l y t o t he ar chi t ect , showi ng how 6 each of t hemi s bei ng gi ven ver y car ef ul at t ent i on, 7 t r yi ng t o bui l d somet hi ng t hat wi l l be of l ong- t er m 8 val ue, not j ust t o t he si t e, but t he over al l ci t y. 9 And most i mpor t ant i n t er ms of t he 10 cont r over si es her e, t o my way of r eadi ng, i s what i t 11 says about what goes on bel ow gr ade i s, " Expl or e t he 12 adapt i ve r euse of some . . . , " some, ver y di f f er ent 13 wor ds t han what i t says above gr ade. 14 And t hat ' s exact l y what t he pr oj ect does. 15 I t t r i es t o say what i s t her e t hat we can wor k wi t h 16 and br i ng t o t he communi t y i n some f ashi on. Whet her 17 i t ' s goi ng t o be occupi ed or not i s not yet 18 det er mi ned, we know t hat . But i t i s expl or ed, i t ' s 19 been eval uat ed and pushed as har d as i t can be and we 20 have as much cer t ai nt y now about t hat as i s possi bl e 21 at t hi s st age i n t he pr ocess. 22 As t o t he i nvest ment i n t he r euse pl anni ng McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 354 1 and t al ki ng wi t h t he communi t y, Ms. Cor bet t and 2 ot her s have t al ked about 160 meet i ngs on her par t and 3 ot her wi t nesses have sai d over 200 i nst ances of 4 col l abor at i on wi t h t he ANCs, wi t h t he McMi l l an 5 Commi t t ee and wi t h ot her s. That sat i sf i es t hat 6 condi t i on. 7 The scal e of t he use i s t he next subj ect . 8 When devel opment t akes pl ace, i t shoul d consi st of 9 moder at e t o medi umdensi t y housi ng, r et ai l and ot her 10 compat i bl e uses. That i s what we' l l be t ur ni ng t o, 11 wi t h pi ct ur es i n j ust a f ew pages. 12 Ther e ar e a f ew ot her pl aces wher e McMi l l an 13 i s ment i oned. I t ' s ment i oned i n par t i n t he Rock 14 Cr eek East El ement . I t ' s not a r equi r ement t hat says 15 what t he si t e has t o do, but i t ' s acknowl edged and I 16 woul d asser t t hat i t i s behavi ng sympat het i cal l y t o 17 t he obj ect i ves t hat ar e st at ed i n t he adj acent 18 el ement by l and ar ea. 19 Okay, l et ' s t ur n t o t he pi ct ur es. The 20 f i r st pi ct ur e whi ch you' ve seen bef or e i n t he bookl et 21 i s what i t i s t hat shoul d be t aki ng pl ace, medi um 22 densi t y r esi dent i al , medi umdensi t y commer ci al and McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 355 1 par ks and r ecr eat i on and open space. 2 The si t e i s col or ed wi t h t hr ee bands of 3 col or . I t ' s got a gr een r i ng, t he gr een t hat r uns 4 t hr ough i t , and i t has t he t wo ot her col or s whi ch 5 r epr esent t he medi umdensi t y r esi dent i al and medi um 6 densi t y commer ci al t hat ar e cal l ed f or squar el y 7 i nsi de t he pl an. 8 The next pi ct ur e i s t he Compr ehensi ve 9 Pl an s adopt ed, gener al i zed pol i cy map. I t 10 essent i al l y says t hi s i s supposed t o be an ar ea wher e 11 t hi ngs change and, boy, woul d t hey change. I t goes 12 f r omt hi s ut i l i t y use t o t he t ype of uses t hat have 13 been el abor at ed on her e i n some det ai l . 14 The next pi ct ur e shows you how - - i t ' s a 15 sl i de you' ve seen bef or e, but i t says t he same t hi ngs 16 t hat we' ve j ust been t al ki ng about , r esi dent i al , 17 of f i ce and communi t y cent er . The communi t y cent er 18 doesn' t show up ver y wel l i n t hi s par t i cul ar sl i de, 19 but you' l l r emember i t f r ombef or e. 20 I n t he hi st or y of t hi s, we go back - - i n 21 1980, NCPC f i r st publ i shed as an assi st ance t o t he 22 Of f i ce of Pl anni ng what ar e t he l and uses i n t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 356 1 ar ea. And i n 1980, t he NCPC cl assi f i cat i on of t hi s 2 si t e was as a l ocal publ i c f aci l i t y. Wel l , i t was, 3 i t was cl ean wat er . 4 I n 1985, what i s somet i mes cal l ed t he bl ob 5 map, t he gener al i zed l and use pl an, whi ch was done 6 al most i n wat er col or s, i t di d col or i t gr een. But I 7 want t o emphasi ze t hat whi l e i t was col or ed i n gr een, 8 gr een was t he col or of al l ki nds of open space. 9 Cemet er i es ar e open space, ai r por t s ar e open space. 10 And t hi s was a t r act of l and t hat was open. 11 I t was st i l l bei ng used f or ut i l i t ar i an pur poses i n 12 ' 85, but at t hat poi nt , i t wasn' t yet any par t of t he 13 di scussi on about f or sal e. 14 By 1992, when t he pl an t hat was st ar t ed i n 15 1989 was publ i shed, i t had moved t o somet hi ng l i ke 16 what we see r i ght now, a combi nat i on of commer ci al 17 and r esi dent i al , al ong wi t h par kl and, and t hat ' s what 18 br i ngs us t o t he pl an t hat I showed you on t he f i r st 19 pi ct ur e of t he t hr ee uses. 20 The next f ew pages t hat I have essent i al l y 21 go t hr ough consi st ency wi t h t he gener al gui di ng 22 pr i nci pl es of t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an. The l and use McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 357 1 el ement , whi ch i s sor t of a pr emi er el ement among t he 2 many el ement s of t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an - - I ' mnot 3 goi ng t o t r y t o r ead al l t hat i n t he i nt er est of 4 t i me. 5 I woul d asser t t hat t her e i s sweepi ng 6 consi st ency wi t h t he pr ovi si ons of t he Compr ehensi ve 7 Pl an, al l of t he ones t hat ar e ver y speci f i c, al l of 8 t he ones t hat ar e i n t he l and use pl an, and a ser i es 9 of ot her s, i ncl udi ng t he housi ng el ement , t he 10 envi r onment al pr ot ect i on el ement , t he economi c 11 devel opment r equi r ement s. 12 Whi ch br i ngs me t o t he end of t he 13 pr esent at i on wher e I essent i al l y say - - and t hi s i s a 14 wor d t hat I was goi ng t o use at t he begi nni ng, as 15 wel l . I t ' s a f our - l et t er wor d, epi c. Thi s i s a wor d 16 whi ch t r i es t o capt ur e, i n my vi ew, t he cul mi nat i on, 17 t he absol ut e summat i on of what you' r e get t i ng i n t hi s 18 pr oj ect , whi ch i s somet hi ng t hat i s, t o my way of 19 t hi nki ng, somet hi ng t hat goes way beyond what I ' ve 20 seen el sewher e i n t he ci t y. 21 Now as a smal l asi de, you asked ear l i er i n 22 t he day whet her t her e ar e any of t hese cases t hat McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 358 1 i nvol ve st r uct ur es and t he answer i s t her e' s at l east 2 one. I sat i n a r ooml i ke t hi s and i t was a case i n 3 t he Sout hwest wi t h cur ved canopi es over par ki ng 4 gar ages f or t he - - I t hi nk i t was Capi t ol Ri ver f r ont . 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Oh, yes. That ' s par t of t he 6 l andscape, yes. 7 THE WI TNESS: So t hat ' s my answer and I 8 don' t know t hat i t adds t o my exper t i se, but i t does 9 show you t hat I haven' t got t en compl et el y seni l e. 10 So wi t h t hat , I woul d wr ap up and hope t hat 11 we coul d get out of her e bef or e t he CSX f r ei ght t r ai n 12 comes t hr ough at 5: 00 p. m. Thank you. 13 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much, Mr . 14 Wi l l i ams. 15 MS. FERSTER: No quest i ons. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, any quest i ons? 17 MS. FERSTER: J ust one qui ck one. 18 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 19 BY MS. FERSTER: 20 Q You mentioned that the land use element is 21 the premier element in terms of your review of the 22 consistency with the Comp. Plan. So you would say McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 359 1 that the land use element will control over the more 2 general policies if there is a conflict? 3 A I don' t know i f I woul d say t hat i t woul d 4 cont r ol . Ther e i s not hi ng absol ut e t hat I know about 5 anywher e i n t he Comp. Pl an t hat says, not wi t hst andi ng 6 any ot her pr ovi si on, t hi s t r umps what ever . 7 I woul d say t hat wher e you have speci f i c 8 di r ect i ves per t ai ni ng t o a si t e, as we have her e f or 9 McMi l l an, you' ve got t o pay at t ent i on t o t hat . We 10 di d pay at t ent i on t o i t , we sat i sf i ed t hat . 11 You t hen t ur n t o t he l and use el ement and 12 t o my way of t hi nki ng, as t he pl an i t sel f says, i t 13 has a speci al st at us. And so I agr ee wi t h t hat 14 st at us. I ' mher e as an exper t . That ' s what i t says, 15 i t i s i mpor t ant . But I ' mnot t r yi ng t o say t hat 16 educat i on, housi ng or any of t he ot her t hi ngs ar e t o 17 be di smi ssed as t r i vi al . 18 But i f t her e' s a conf l i ct , I woul d sor t of 19 speak - - I woul d t r y t o def er and f i nd a r at i onal e 20 t hat sat i sf i es l and use bef or e I woul d go st r uggl i ng 21 t o f i nd somet hi ng i n one of t he ot her el ement s. 22 That ' s a vague answer , but t hat ' s t he way I McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 360 1 see i t . 2 Q That's helpful, thank you. In terms of 3 hierarchy, then, you're saying that the hierarchy 4 would be first would be the specific area elements 5 that relate to the site, second would be the land use 6 and third would be general policies? 7 A I woul d say t hat t her e ar e some over ar chi ng 8 pr i nci pl es whi ch ar e descr i bed i n my mat er i al s as 9 wel l . And so t hat and l and use t oget her ar e f ai r l y 10 i mpor t ant and t hen I woul d say t he ot her el ement s. 11 But agai n, I ' mnot t r yi ng t o say t hat 12 housi ng i s somehow not an i mpor t ant t hi ng or t hat 13 economi c devel opment i s not i mpor t ant . They' r e al l 14 i mpor t ant . That ' s why we have a comp. pl an and i t ' s 15 why we have a Zoni ng Commi ssi on and ot her gr oups t hat 16 t r y t o bal ance t hese t hi ngs out , t o make sur e t hat 17 even t hough you can' t be somet hi ng f or ever ybody, 18 t hat you ar e not i nconsi st ent wi t h i t . 19 The zoni ng or der was appr oved, t he deci si on 20 was appr oved, knowi ng t hat i t woul d be not 21 i nconsi st ent wi t h t he Compr ehensi ve Pl an, Di st r i ct 22 el ement s and f eder al el ement s. And t hat ' s t he McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 361 1 pr ocess her e whi ch we l i ve wi t h and enj oy or suf f er . 2 Q Okay, so just to bring it to a very 3 concrete level then, if, hypothetically, you have a 4 specific policy relating to the McMillan site or any 5 particular historic site that specifies what the 6 level of development or use would be on that site, 7 and then you have a general policy saying historic 8 preservation that says that, you know, we should 9 preserve and protect the District of Columbia's 10 historic resources, obviously, there might be a 11 conflict, right? 12 A Yeah, a t ensi on. 13 Q Right. In terms of what would control, if 14 there's something more specific, would that control 15 or is it more general? 16 A I don' t t hi nk I can answer t hat quest i on. 17 I t hi nk i t ' s a bal anci ng t est t hat you have t o l ook 18 at t he f act s of each case. And I ' mnot goi ng t o set 19 up mysel f as a subst i t ut e f or t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 20 I wi l l say t hat t hey ar e char ged wi t h 21 l ooki ng at t he ar r ay of el ement s t hat ar e out t her e 22 and I bel i eve t hat f ol ks her e woul d be knowl edgeabl e McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 362 1 about how t o br i ng t hose ar r ays i nt o f ocus i n f r ont 2 of t he eyes of t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 3 Q Okay. But as an expert -- you are an 4 expert -- 5 A Yes, Ma' am. 6 Q So if I would ask you to render, 7 hypothetically, an opinion on the consistency or 8 inconsistency with the Comp. Plan, where you had to 9 look at two factors that were potentially relevant, 10 one was a specific land use policy, an area element 11 that specified that a certain site would be available 12 for mixed use development and a general policy that 13 -- in Ward 1, say -- and a general policy that says 14 in Ward 1, we want to preserve our architectural and 15 historic heritage, which policy is in control? And 16 that's going to be my last question. 17 A Okay, i f i t wer e t o a speci f i c si t e i n War d 18 1 and i t t al ked about why some par t i cul ar l ocat i on 19 was of pr emi er i mpor t ance, I woul d t hat woul d have t o 20 be pai d pr et t y cl ose at t ent i on t o. 21 I f i t ' s j ust sor t of a war d- wi de wi sh or 22 aspi r at i on, I woul d say we' l l do what we can, but McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 363 1 we' ve got a whol e ser i es of ot her el ement s t hat we 2 have t o l ook at and go f or war d. 3 MS. FERSTER: Thank you, t hat ' s i t . 4 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any quest i ons. 5 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay. 6 MS. FERSTER: I have one pr ocedur al 7 quest i on and t hat i s t her e' s a number of Power Poi nt 8 pr esent at i ons. I don' t know i f t hey' r e par t of t he 9 r ecor d, but i f t hey ar e, can t hey be pr ovi ded and - - 10 MS. BROWN: Yes, we pl an t o do t hat . 11 J UDGE BYRNE: I was goi ng t o ask t hat f or 12 my own pur poses. 13 MS. BROWN: I j ust need t o get t o t he col or 14 copi er . 15 J UDGE BYRNE: That ' s f i ne. So do you have 16 mor e? 17 MS. BROWN: That concl udes our di r ect 18 wi t ness t est i mony. 19 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght , I ' mconsci ous her e 20 of t he t i me and I ' mal so consci ous t hat t hi s l ady i s 21 her e f r omt he ANC and has been si t t i ng her e al l day. 22 And so Ma' am, you' r e her e t o make a st at ement , I ' m McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 364 1 sur e. 2 THE WI TNESS: Yes, I won' t be l ong. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Why don' t you come up, so 4 t hat you don' t have t o come back on November 3d, come 5 on over her e and - - 6 THE WI TNESS: Thank you ver y much. 7 J UDGE BYRNE: - - l et ' s hear f r omyou. Have 8 a seat i n t hat second chai r i f you don' t mi nd. Di d 9 you si gn t he wi t ness l i st ? 10 THE WI TNESS: Yes, I di d. 11 J UDGE BYRNE: Excel l ent , okay, wonder f ul . 12 So pl ease st at e your name f or t he r ecor d and t hen 13 when you' r e comf or t abl e, pl ease pr oceed wi t h your 14 pr esent at i on. 15 Wher eupon, 16 CELI A DI ANE BARNES 17 havi ng pr evi ousl y been dul y swor n, t est i f i ed as 18 f ol l ows: 19 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON 20 THE WI TNESS: Okay, my name i s Di ane 21 Bar nes, t he Advi sor y Nei ghbor hood Commi ssi on f or ANC 22 5E- 09 commi ssi oner , i n whi ch t he McMi l l an Sand McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 365 1 Fi l t r at i on Si t e i s l ocat ed. 2 I l i ve t wo bl ocks f r omt he si t e at 41 Adams 3 St r eet , Nor t hwest . I ama r et i r ed empl oyee f r omt he 4 Ar my Cor ps of Engi neer s and I have been act i vel y 5 i nvol ved wi t h t he McMi l l an i ssues r el at i ng t o t hi s 6 si t e f or at l east 30 year s. 7 I ' ve been ver y act i ve i n t hi s communi t y, 8 ser vi ng i n t he past as t he pr esi dent of t he 9 Bl oomi ngdal e Ci vi c Associ at i on, t he f or mer chai r of 10 t he ANC 5E, and cur r ent l y, I ' mser vi ng as t he chai r 11 of t he McMi l l an Advi sor y Gr oup, whi ch i s cal l ed t he 12 MAG, and r epr esent i ng my si ngl e member di st r i ct , 13 5E- 09 i n t he ANC. 14 I have obser ved over t he l ast seven year s 15 i n par t i ci pat i on i n t he Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s' 16 ef f or t t o wor k wi t h and f or t he communi t y t o 17 concept ual i ze and devel op pl ans f or t he f or mer 18 McMi l l an Sand Fi l t r at i on Pl ant . 19 Today, I amher e t o t est i f y i n suppor t of 20 t he VMP' s pl an f or t he McMi l l an si t e. I ' maski ng f or 21 you t o appr ove t hi s appl i cat i on f or par t i al 22 demol i t i on of t he under gr ound cel l s and subdi vi si on McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 366 1 of t he l and i nt o seven bui l di ng par cel s because i t i s 2 necessar y i n t he communi t y' s i nt er est t o const r uct a 3 pr oj ect of speci al mer i t . 4 I t r ul y bel i eve t hi s si t e meet s t he 5 def i ni t i on of speci al mer i t , based on my exper i ence 6 whi l e wor ki ng wi t h t he VMP t eam. I ' ve seen t hemcome 7 back, agai n and agai n, t o addr ess t he ANC concer ns, 8 al l owi ng t he communi t y t o voi ce t hei r opi ni ons and 9 shar i ng what t hey want t o see on t he si t e. 10 Speci f i cal l y as a r epr esent at i ve of t he 11 Bl oomi ngdal e and St r onghol d nei ghbor hoods, t her e have 12 been a f ew i t ems t hat ar e const ant l y ment i oned by my 13 nei ghbor s as ameni t i es t hat t hey f eel t hey ar e 14 l acki ng t hat woul d be ser ved by t he Vi si on McMi l l an 15 Par t ner s. 16 Fr ommy home on Adams St r eet , Nor t hwest , i t 17 i s at l east over a mi l e t o t he cl osest f ul l ser vi ce 18 gr ocer y st or e, somet hi ng t hat woul d be dr ast i cal l y 19 di f f er ent i f t he Vi si on McMi l l an Par t ner s pr oj ect 20 moves f or war d as pl anned. 21 But as we l ear ned t hr ough t he many meet i ngs 22 and di scussi ons wi t h t he devel opment t eam, no gr ocer McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 367 1 wi l l bui l d a st or e under gr ound. And i t i s not 2 f i nanci al l y f easi bl e t o enf or ce t he under gr ound cel l s 3 t o bui l d somet hi ng of t hat magni t ude above t he 4 exi st i ng cel l s. 5 Anot her ar ea t hat our communi t y i s 6 par t i cul ar l y l acki ng i s t he cent r al communi t y 7 r ecr eat i on cent er , wi t h a 17, 000 squar e f oot pool , 8 pl us par k space abut t i ng i t . Nei t her of t hese 9 t r emendous benef i t s t o t he communi t y can be 10 const r uct ed on t hi s si t e as i t cur r ent l y st ands 11 t oday, wi t hout t he subdi vi si on and demol i t i on pl an 12 bei ng r equest ed by t he VMP t eam. 13 Fi nal l y, as a l ongt i me homeowner , 40 year s, 14 wi t hi n t hi s communi t y, I want t o be abl e t o see my 15 nei ghbor s and my f ami l y who cur r ent l y l i ve wi t hi n 16 t hi s communi t y get t o st ay, wor k and pl ay wi t hi n t hi s 17 communi t y. 18 Wi t h your appr oval of t he VMP' s appl i cat i on 19 f or t he subdi vi si on and demol i t i on pl ans t oday, due 20 t o speci al mer i t , t hey wi l l be abl e t o of f er 21 af f or dabl e housi ng f or bot h seni or s and f ami l i es 22 above and beyond what i s r equi r ed f or a pr oj ect of McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 368 1 t hi s magni t ude. 2 Al l of t hese i t ems t hat I have ment i oned 3 t oday ar e si gni f i cant benef i t s t o t he communi t y t hat 4 cannot be i gnor ed. I n t he l ong t er m, t hese ar e 5 benef i t s t hat woul d hel p ever yone wi t hi n t he 6 communi t y i mmedi at el y sur r oundi ng t he si t e and wi t hi n 7 t he 5E- 09 si ngl e member di st r i ct on a dai l y basi s, 8 pl us f or f ami l i es acr oss t he Di st r i ct of Col umbi a, 9 t oo. 10 I ask t hat you not i gnor e t he pot ent i al s 11 f or t he sake of pr eser vi ng unst abl e and unusabl e 12 under gr ound cel l s. I hope t hat you wi l l t ake my 13 t est i mony i nt o consi der at i on when maki ng your 14 deci si on t oday. Thanks agai n f or al l owi ng me t o 15 t est i f y. 16 J UDGE BYRNE: Thank you ver y much. May I 17 ask you, di d ANC 5E t ake a f or mal vot e on t hi s? 18 THE WI TNESS: Yes, we di d, i t was si x t o 19 t wo. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: Si x t o t wo i n f avor of t he 21 pr oposal . 22 THE WI TNESS: I n f avor of t he pr oposal . McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 369 1 J UDGE BYRNE: Okay, t hank you ver y much. 2 THE WI TNESS: You' r e wel come. 3 J UDGE BYRNE: Any quest i ons? 4 MS. BROWN: No quest i ons f or me. 5 MS. FERSTER: Yes, I have a coupl e of 6 quest i ons. 7 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON 8 BY MS. FERSTER: 9 Q So when the ANC took its full vote, were 10 they specifically directing their resolution to the 11 Mayor's Agent for Historic Preservation? 12 A They di d i t f or bot h t he Mayor ' s Agent and 13 t he Zoni ng Commi ssi on. 14 Q And do you have a copy of that resolution? 15 A Not wi t h me, but i t ' s publ i c knowl edge, so 16 i t ' s out t her e on t he si t e. But I can send i t t o 17 you. 18 J UDGE BYRNE: I don' t have i t . 19 THE WI TNESS: I can send i t t o you. 20 J UDGE BYRNE: You coul d send i t t o Mr . 21 Cal cot t , t he Hi st or i c Pr eser vat i on Of f i ce, he' l l make 22 sur e ever ybody get s a copy. McMillan Sand Filtration Site 10/6/2014 Washington, D.C. Baltimore, MD Florida Olender Reporting, Inc. (888) 445-3376 WORLDWIDE 370 1 THE WI TNESS: Okay, wi l l do. 2 BY MS. FERSTER: ( Resumi ng) 3 Q So the statement that you delivered today, 4 was that statement approved by the full ANC? 5 A No, t hi s st at ement i s f r omt he si ngl e 6 member di st r i ct whi ch I r epr esent . 7 MS. FERSTER: That ' s al l t he quest i ons I 8 have. 9 MS. MERRI TT: I don' t have any quest i ons. 10 J UDGE BYRNE: Al l r i ght . Wel l , t hank you 11 ever ybody, i t ' s been a l ong day, but we' ve gone 12 t hr ough a gr eat deal of mat er i al . 13 We wi l l r econvene on November 3d at 9: 30 14 and I l ook f or war d t o seei ng you t hen. Thank you. 15 ( Wher eupon, at 5: 05 p. m. , t he pr oceedi ng 16 adj our ned. ) 17
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