PAL Cer Salado: Vo postr ia lucid poe erjecs ders (Octavio Peas Wel darkness interests me. Or beer: tries sme. But to enter inco darkness, you need light, don't you think 5; ¥e,Pmsiingsf “A Drifef Shows pomnefiret Tyo one rt te ea often No omar dio rash nage Be ge pres spe ho cero srt nage eered is word The taylan of tu pot roc ano ots a G20 Mar dun exicon desspon In *h Dn of Sow hie the manos andthe man ‘ho ss hime wing Toe man hoe oven faten arom Be invigorate Keo etemerbes and inrenearing svete In, thorn who mero vente evening enter terri slestdloges adeapo pss vena tiates Iaep of fess Tri a fection spon theese proce, the pony of hole ht eae ste o een, Irldgcqured trong per: Ors rs cific wo um tp ats ot par ofthe poem isl, And th poem aot edocle to expenatons The porns simultaneous, arate of ppretening rely and node of exposing in ths ens, dae at the ame tine, Bo underine ts nether scene nor hiesopbiedinowiedge. Nontes, posi knowledge Teer nthe sith nor lity beeen not sles or ‘hlcvopy. ies the ober fom of howiedge he sind Tern: hehe comes feo st, Tenor pf pote Iowldge were ciminated, we weld be erty snd spray impoverished Tiss boxing happen nthe ¢fodk wor Arson aslogo to the one it sxe Beawenn poe and pulwophy. agen between poet tnd mes Povuy ha been & center of yt and poet Te ned shoplse mye lo poe and works of ‘hs foncdon of poeuy bas not Sasppsared in our tne: Posy hs eorened mh. C1 What are thor myths? (O.Ps Myths are rales. On two counts first they havea lie fh ov nd sca thy exes in coded or me: ‘hori ways given station whch conecrs the whole social {group For example: the atomic bomb reintroduced into Interviewed by Cesar Salgado modern conscioumess the ancient myth of univers extine= Cpa e fseny esnCpperc of the word in a great exaclyens A revtion~an apocte Iypresboutthe worlds end gues in imo: very selgion- “The ead might be define atin Chien and Tela, oF cyelaain Buddhism ndamong the Stoic, Wha aston: iting the now dhe scenic and proeesvesciey di overs, preiely through sence and progres the ancient nage of cosmie destruction, Diference with the pest m0 dese reveling than similar for the ancients exasophe confirmed the tath of revelation forthe moderns, nicest Ccplovion nepter the foundation of our worlt reson, progeny, science, Ie i avo etonthing tht, poo have Elvays spoken of what peycholoyiste end eocilogie are how discovering the pretence of deadly violence udden in thecrenses of the human soul or scien depths, Weend up {ming like the ancient though we hk in very cifferent ‘vay This mesns that ur image ofthe Word's end i race Tare it as once a religious vaio, now itis a poster engendered by moder scence and she ances violence ofthe hut imal ‘oveis anther my ha, though batre, survives. Iebas been shattered not by it ancien enemy, the Patan, che torte snd the rebgious devotes, or those who ford i Butpreely by their opposite thepetsn of fee love" and sovaled “natural moral.” Permisinenese and promiscuity {an putan endo love more thoroughly than ancent robb tions, The basis of the new morality is confuion between loveand nature Loveis not natal tisahman invention Te iba roduc ofthe soil maginton This means loves not cuiy a mctaphor for anima sexual iti i entation, ‘Tansiguation, Love iss relation of petion beeween 10 prope not two bode. C5. Inyour work, ser isan opposition borecas communica tion and conenion ‘OB: Language is commonicstion ints most perfet form. Bur itertare especially poetry, calla language, and consee ‘queatly communication into question. Poetry isa futher teansformation—a tanegression—of communication, What the poet says crnnot be sid in convertion Bits phase, "the music of poetry isthe music of conversation "is only halt true, Posty eznaot be tanlatedin arms of conver ‘his sense, an opposition between communication and com- ‘union exists. Poetry transfigures mere communication: itis 5: Commun Sask apo Ometacin the poe il won poi ow Waite wt mrinboend C8: Theidesof cofSoliude, ‘Os That acl cxoticone belie sme—andall ofa and religion. Sex rust be disngu Biological, buter vvth he natural -arure int cule Then there islov spiritual reali. imagination, free from the recog eroticism, the O erotic pleasure re struggle berween isthe discovery 0 Thaveele the pre very young: the Autraction o the Other (a penon smother rely i C5: The tome Solitede. How di ‘OP: Well yous fire, n my ei pause, afer the v period of analys barked on me source of many f matters But wha the obsession wi the feling of be twoublingelingby Cesar Salgado | univer extines the dsappesrine sion an spoct [scevery religion bityand Tela, or Ge What irsron- sive society die: es, the ancient ith the pat is n0 ents, extrtop roderns, a nuclear ‘worki—resson, that. poets have [eosiolopets ate lence, hidden in ppthe, Weend vp Cvery diferent ‘id's end is fae iris possibly incextel violence dso eh eee ened Peto ad ‘ad romcaty enema? jason Been [misvea (iStmuerion fe jo Sere fx perfec form dey i free teation, Waat Blots phar, tion oly all Feonmeation Tn ition and com CS: Communion is achieved through poetry and what i eft lank in «poem. ‘OP: Exact is wha the poet, without saying, says. What the poet signals to with the word. Poetry i zeing, but the -word points toward saying bond ively beyond the word, Wichou the word there ean be no poem, but hat the poem saysis beyond word. In slenee. (C5: Theidea of commuoron ile dlicuied in The Labyrinth of Solizade OP. Te has religious origin atts name indicates, Also, an otic one believe tha hero greet extremes which inhabit ‘me~and all ofus—come from che duality between erotic and religion. Sexuality, which is animal and even vegetable, ‘must be distinguished from ersicism and love, Sexuliy it biologie, bu eoicim is bor oxt ofthe imagination faced ‘vith the nraraleealey of sex the gest metaphor which rors satue into clare. Tes evo protagonists ae death and desire, ‘Then there love: it changes erotic and transfor it into spiel reir. In love, besides dsie and the power of the Jnaginaion, freedom appears love isa choie which springs ftom th recognition ofthe Ozher ar «unique inividal tn eroticism, the Other isan object of deste; thos erotcien’s two extremes are stdiem end masochism, Without them, exotie pleasure relly doesnot exist the erode encounter ie struggle beeen subject and object. Love onthe other hand, isthe discovery or recognition ofa persona body and. oul, Thavefeleche presene of there two manifestations sine was very young: the erotieamorous and the poetie-eigious. Autestion to the Other (without nam) and aration by the Osther (2 person with «nam). Ta love, he central mystery communion: momentary physical contact opens the doot to ‘nother realy, immeasurable and unspeakable, CS: The theme of communion peroades The Labyrinth of Solicede Howe did yo come o write? OP: Wal, ousee 1 don't know how Lwsoteit. lived firs in my childhood and adolescence. Twroteit ina sme of pause aftr the violence of the Merican Revoltion. ewas a period of analysis and reflection, after which the country ‘embarked on mademity (a modernity which proved to be the source of many files) I as not lone in wring on thete snaters. But what distinguished me from others was perhaps, ‘the obsession with communion. My point of departure was « the feling of being foreign, suange in my own land. This ‘woubling eli strangeness asmed theformofa fulton, sore pres, of omethng ming This maite—in dhe tor and once! see bg ad bg ned ‘taxis univer common fo all ens Prom pcan Our it man's orn dies within groups the baron of ae common with iri oe we hee, he lone Hes alone Salad ian epeence which can only be ved by one who knows i opporne company, ig a ethers. 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