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VFNW Spring2014 Transcript Lesson6
VFNW Spring2014 Transcript Lesson6
Now What?
MUMPS
Call #6 Transcript
By Donna Powers
Donna Powers: Welcome to the Vaccine Free: Now What? 12-week teleseminar
course. This is class six where we will be talking about the second year of life where
the vaccine MMR, measles, mumps, rubella is given for the disease mumps.
DP: So are there any questions from last week? We talked about measles, and
currently in southern Alberta and actually in Calgary itself there are measles outbreaks
happening in high schools, and it's creating a lot of... Some fear but also questions
around, "Well what do I do?" We're being told that our kids can't be at school and even
the scenarios here that I know of, they... I thought it was an option, either stay at home
and study or get the vaccine but in fact, what they did with the high school students
was tell them that they had to stay away from home and get the vaccine, so there
wasn't much choice in it as well.
DP: So, I'm putting together a handout for parents to have ahead of time, particularly in
Canada and in Alberta where if you're faced with this kind of, let's face it, it's a threat,
what you can do and how you can speak up about your choice to still be vaccine-free
even in the middle of an infectious illness like measles or mumps. And mumps is
making a return as well. It has since, let me see... My kids are 25, so it's about six,
seven years ago in the university population. We'll be getting into that a little bit more
later on. So anyway, any questions about measles?
DP: Okay. Well we'll just keep going forward then with that. If you check Powers of
Homeopathy Facebook page you will see that I'm continually updating information on
measles, mumps. Rubella hasn't come up so much but it is another one of those
vaccines that is insisted upon if you're working in any of the helping professions,
medical or otherwise, even in social work, and you may want... And they don't just give
rubella vaccine, they're wanting to give everybody boosters. Also, on the
powersofhomeopathy.com site, I have one little section that is going to try and keep
current with the news that's, and there's a lot of it happening with measles and mumps
and it's all the same vaccine and we'll be talking about that a little bit later.
DP: Now, from the book, Dissolving Illusions, I have referred to that one before. It's by
Dr. Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk. In there, there's a reference to some
science research, and it's regarding the argument about putting those with
compromised immune systems at risk, and this is often held up alongside with the idea
of "herd immunity." So if a discussion of herd immunity comes up, there's two really
important things to understand. The concept of herd immunity is based on a
percentage of having had an experience of the natural illness and the vaccine
manufacturers just blow that idea under the assumption that vaccination was immunity
for life, which it's not, and claimed that we need to have a certain percentage of the
population vaccinated in order for there to be herd immunity. But if in fact the
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DP: Think kids. This is from my old bacteria or my old clinical microbiology book, but
the idea of thinking of it as in terms of a kids illness; this is not true anymore because
of vaccines. So you now have the children who were vaccinated in the '70s and the
'80s, adults having kids of their own, and they are as susceptible to these illnesses as
they were when they were kids, before vaccination. You can also think in terms of the
big picture; viremia, which is just a big name for virus toxins that spill over into the
blood, and they travel by blood to the organs, other organs; in particular, organs that
shouldn't have anything to do with these toxins of the viruses. So the heart, kidneys
and brain is the one that we're thinking about with mumps, because mumps affects the
glands around the ears and the throat.
DP: So with mumps, the virus can cross. If it gets far enough into, and the person just
cannot mount an immune system response, because the places, the organs that are
affected are the glands in the throat, just in front of the ears, if that virus is allowed to
replicate for too long, for example, if the fever is suppressed, then what happens is that
these virus shed their toxins, and it passes into the bloodstream, and then you get the
complications crossing the blood-brain barrier. And this is where you will get secondary
complications of encephalitis and meningitis.
DP: So mumps itself, it's airborne. And it's spread through droplets in the nose, throat
and mouth, either by air or direct contact. This is very similar to the measles we talked
about. And this is what makes it so highly contagious. And this is why, also, you will
find it in populations of daycare, schools, camps and particularly a university, and this
is where the outbreaks have occurred in the last five, six, seven years. University
campuses, people are living close together, very high stress situation, homework,
exams, studying. And also, likely not eating as well, that particular age group that left
home. Or they're eating outside of the parents' home, if they're at home, because of
needing to save money. So there's a whole dietary thing, so it makes sense that the
vaccines are waning, the stress level is high with this particular age group, and so what
is happening, you have a return of these illnesses.
DP: Also what I think is happening, and this is just speculation; I haven't found any
research to back this up. I really think what's happening, particularly with the age group
that my children are, as young adults in their late 20s, early 30s, is that they're clearing
some of this vaccine influence for these particular illnesses. And so, they're mounting
fever, and they're getting very unusual kinds of illnesses that may or may not look like
these particular illnesses, in particular like measles or mumps. Although in my son's
friends, the mumps were the mumps, and these were vaccinated kids.
DP: So airborne, and the virus multiplies in this wet, juicy membrane areas and eye
tissues, same as measles. The incubation time is about 21 days after exposure, which
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DP: So it was about 2006, 2007 that there were large outbreaks, and these occurred in
Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Alberta, and there was a total of 1,159 confirmed
cases, counting for 90% of the total cases in Canada that year for mumps. And the
majority of theses cases occurred in persons age 20-29, many of who were college or
university students. Immunization history was known for less than one half of the
mumps cases. So of those known, 8% had received two or more doses, 73% had
received one dose. So my boys would have fallen in the category of having at 12, one
year, 14 months and 16 months of having been given three doses of mumps vaccine,
or if they included that three as one... Anyway they would have fallen in that, one of
those categories. And 19% had received no mumps.
DP: But what it says is that 81% had actually been immunized in that year, in 2007. So
the majority of students who got mumps were those who were vaccinated for mumps,
which is very telling. So the Public Health Agency of Canada has that on their website
and you can actually see that, that information has not been hidden, as yet. So mumps
will happen in the vaccinated and in the unvaccinated populations, and it will be thrown
at you, the complications of it, that this is why you need to get the vaccine. The other
thing that will be thrown at you is the idea of herd immunity. So make sure you
understand this concept of herd immunity and what the flaws are. I've posted some of
that information on my Facebook and there is also... Whatever you do a search for on
my website in terms of measles will be applicable to mumps as well because this will
be the vaccine that's promoted, the MMR.
DP: So moving through, there are benefits of having natural mumps. And this is the
National Centre for Biotechnology Information and I will include these links in your
follow up email. There was a wonderful blog article written at gaiahealth.com. And
remember when we talked about one of the possible complications is sterility? So the
swollen testicles in males and the swollen ovaries in women. But in fact, what the
research is showing is that mumps is possibly a preventive for cancer for these organs.
So it's really important that children have these infectious illnesses. And even measles,
they are doing research now on using measles as a cure for cancer. So why not have
the infectious illness? So again these are... Once you have this information you can
have this kind of conversation with your doctor. They may not even be aware. They
don't keep up with the reading; they just may not have time.
DP: So what the research has said, in this particular article, the researchers use
remarkably strong language in their conclusion about the affects of the mumps vaccine
and relatively benign nature of the disease itself. Prior to vaccination, mumps was
generally a mild illness but could have serious sequelae, which just simply means
complications, including orchitis and sterility, so we've talked about that, meningitis
and deafness, so it affects the ears. Remember the ears are another juicy place so you
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DP: So we've gone through that. And watch for dehydration, and it occurs when an
infant loses so much, or child, loses so much body fluid, that they're not able to
maintain regular function. So it might be not drinking enough water, maybe vomiting or
diarrhoea or part of their fever. And you need to monitor the signs, and the signs will
be, so if you have an infant, not very many wet diapers. Or if you have an older child,
they might not be urinating as often, they're not peeing as often, and there's fatigue,
there's weakness, cramps, headaches, dizziness, nausea, forgetfulness, confusion,
deep rapid breathing, or an increase of heart rate. And they might not be able to keep
anything down, so even though you're trying quite valiantly to give them liquids, they
may just vomit it right up. Their eyes might get sunken deep in, and you might notice
that the mouth is dry or sticky, and the skin lacks that elasticity. So when you pinch
your... Just take between your thumb and your index finger there's kind of a, at least on
my body, there's a good amount of skin you can pinch between your other hand
between your thumb and your finger. And it should fall down and smooth out. If it stays
into a fold, you know that there is some dehydration going on.
DP: Going to check, any questions or anything up to this point? Some of this was
covered last week with measles but it's always just good to go over. The other thing to
watch for with infants, is they'll cry and there won't be any tears and they'll have a dry
tongue or dry lips. Even if you've got tiny infants, there's that soft spot on top of their
head that close over through time in the first year. If that's quite sunken, that will be
another sign of dehydration and they might look dry and wrinkly. Watch for the
temperature of the hands and feet as well. That may be an indication for homeopathic
fever remedy.
DP: So those are the signs and symptoms to watch for. So again, it's with the little
ones that you really want to watch for the dehydration. If you suspect it's any of these
infectious illnesses, you will have to keep your children at home and you will have to
report to the health department. And again, the same with measles, if you suspect
that's what it is, we have what we call the public health link here. You dial it in, and if
you dial in and you say what you're suspecting it is, they'll just tell you to stay home.
They don't want you in any emergency department; not the children's, not any of the
general hospitals because of the risk of the spread of infection. So you're pretty much
at home anyway. So report it and there you go. You're pretty much on your own.
DP: So vitamin C. So again, the same as for mumps, you're going to be using vitamin
C in the same way. So that will be part of your handout, it's in the vitamin C, or just
simply go back to the measles. I think that at some point it would be helpful for
everybody just to always give me feedback. I always try to think of as a parent what
would I need. So what I might do is make up a vitamin C chart if you think that would
be helpful, and we talked about vitamin D3 and specifically vitamin A in measles as
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DP: A boy arrived shortly afterwards at the children's clinic, sent there by the sister of
the surgical dispensary with a provisional diagnosis of mumps. He had a temperature
of 103.8. And I'll just paraphrase this... So swelling on both sides of the cheeks, and
they were tender to touch, and pain on opening the mouth. She had just learnt about
this remedy, pilocarpine. As a student you learn about provings in homeopathy, and the
joke with all the homoeopaths is, "Oh, did you read about this proving where this guy
took the jaborandi or pilocarpine until he got so much saliva coming out of his mouth,
blah blah blah, it reminded them of the disease mumps, because this is what happens
with mumps.
DP: So she thought, "Well, why don't we try using this remedy?" So she sent the mum
home with the child, and a prescription of pilocarpine 6CH, to be taken night and
morning. And the mother was told to bring him back to the dispensary in three days.
When she turned up, she remarked that the boy had mumps, and without thinking I
retorted sharply and said, "Who said so? There is no swelling at all." I was somewhat
taken aback when she triumphantly answered, "You did, yourself, on Monday
afternoon."
DP: So after that, she used that remedy as a routine treatment in mumps. There was
quite an epidemic during that time, and pilocarpine 6 did not disappoint me, except in
one case, where the indications were for mercury. Remember we studied mercury
cyanatis for diptheria. They were so striking, so with the mercury symptoms she talks
about the weakness, heavy sweats, offensive breath, thickly coated tongue that one
could not fail to notice the similarity between the disease and the remedy, which cured
the child in six days. So, a wonderful history again. Dr. Shepherd's book is like a
historical document, and you can show it to your doctor, they may poo-poo you, and
scoff, and do other things, but you can feel confident about what you know and what
you've been learning.
DP: So the first remedy to think of... What you have is a lot of congestion, a lot of
inflammation, a lot of swelling, and we already know this remedy as one of the first
remedies in fever, and that's belladonna. So it has to do with vascular, which just
means the veins and arteries engorgement, which is just the filling, the complete filling
of it. The glands, in the belladonna remedy, have been known to be swollen and hot
and sensitive to pressure, and worse on the right side. The pains are sharp, and they
extend to the ear. So it's useful when the swelling suddenly subsides, and is followed
by a throbbing headache and delirium. So these kids will usually have the swollen
glands will be on the right side, there will be a lot of this saliva, a lot of heat, a lot of
throbbing, and very sensitive to pressure.
DP: I always look for the iris, or the black part of the eye, that it fills almost the whole
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DP: So if they have mumps, again, if you've got Jaborandi... So, say you've got one
child right in the middle of mumps and another one that maybe okay. We're going on a
holiday. We'll let the older one get through it, but we don't want the younger one to get
the mumps. This might be an opportunity where you would use Jaborandi for the older
child to help them get through it, and for the younger child to prevent. And you might
want to consider this, too, when the mumps have, and the word is metastasized, so
you've likely heard of that word with cancer. So metastasized means it's simply moved
from one place to another in the body. So you can use the Jaborandi if it's
metastasized to the testicles, or to the breast. There may be breast pain, as well,
because remember, this is a gland. These are mammary glands. So anything to do with
fertility and sex organs can be affected by mumps.
DP: Now, never been well since mumps, some homoeopaths have used parotidinum.
And this would be a situation of the nosode being used to treat the mumps, especially
after, if there are any ill effects. So let's say, pain in the groin or swelling testicles.
Pulsatilla. Here is one of our remedies that we've used in so many situations, and
again, pulsatilla has an affinity to the sexual organs. So you'll see when you read about
the remedy that pulsatilla has an affinity for the testicles, for the breast, and for the
ovaries, as well as the salivary glads. And in this situation, you'll have the general
symptoms of pulsatilla. They'll be thirstless, which will cause a concern for you as a
parent, if you have a non-verbal or pre-verbal child who is just refusing to drink. The
tongue will likely be thickly coated and dryness. There'll be dryness everywhere, but
there's thirstlessness.
DP: And again, with the pulsatilla child, they'll be quite weepy, clingy. You'll find that
they will want cooler air. So that might mean something like being in your basement, or
you'll notice that if you have to run out to the car, that they actually do better in the
open air, especially if it's cool. Rhus tox won't. So you start to differentiate these
remedies. Think about what you need to know. Now, the Parotidinum is the nosode,
and you might have something like this; I have had ovarian trouble or nervous trouble
or inflammation of the testicles since an attack of mumps, many years ago. So Dr.
Dorothy Shepherd has found that nosode in a 30CH or 200, given at intervals of 10 to
14 days, will do a great deal to put these people on the road to recovery.
DP: Now, her next statement I found very, very interesting. Some cases of mumps are
followed by extreme nervous depression and almost suicidal melancholia for three to
six months after an attack. Whether this is due entirely to the congestion of the nerves
caused by the virus, or whether it is due to the large doses of sedatives, which are
frequently prescribed by the attending practitioners, I would not care to say. Anyhow, I
have found parotidinum extremely useful in clearing up this distressing, melancholic
depression. So of course, my enquiring mind goes to, "I wonder how many students,
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DP: That's a wonderful way to put it, Sarah. So number one, there's nothing... There
maybe nano particles but there's absolutely nothing in homeopathic remedies passed
the 12CH. What we're doing is working with energy. So can you overdose? No. What
can happen is if you give a remedy when the symptoms are not present, so say your
child is better and you still keep giving it because doctors have trained us if it's
antibiotic you give it until I tell you to stop. So 10 to 14 days most easily. What will
happen is is if your child does not have the symptoms and you continue to give a
homeopathic remedy, what will happen is that your child will start to develop the
symptoms of the remedy. In homeopathy we call this proving. All you do is you stop.
And the symptoms will resolve themselves. Can you use too many remedies all at
once? The biggest thing that will happen is you won't know which remedy helped. So
over-the-counter homeopathic combination remedy often have anywhere from three
remedies in them to sometimes 12. And when you give those, you're never sure which
one is working or if it's the all three combined or the all 12 combined that has a
symptom picture. But again you're not gonna do any harm unless you continue on.
DP: So for instance, I'm gonna give you a little story, a mum buys the over-the-counter
urinary infection remedy for her school-age child. It helps, but not entirely. So then you
start to hear that this child has been being given this homeopathic remedy for six,
seven months now. So part of you goes, "Is this child now producing the symptoms of
the remedies in this combination formula or is this only partially helping." So, as a
homoeopath, you take the case, you understand it all, and the remedy given was
actually one of the ones that was in the combination but the urinary tract infections
have completely resolved. So, that was an instance, where in fact, it probably needed a
higher potency or just the one specific remedy. So, again sometimes, your child is a
little bit better with the remedy but not entirely.
DP: So, you have two options, you can repeat more frequently or you can go from a
30CH to 200CH. And your reasons for going up in potency are the intensity of the
symptoms. So, say for instance, you go, "Oh, yeah, for sure there's a belladonna fever
and you have a 30 and 200. Well, you're a bit nervous, so you start off with a 30CH.
And you notice it helps a little bit for a little while, but then you feel like, "Oh, I'm having
to repeat this every 20 minutes and I wonder if this is okay." Then, you go, "Oh, right,
the symptoms are intense, I'm really sure of the picture, the remedy has been helping, I
have a 200 in my kit." You give a 200CH and your child falls asleep, you know it was
the right remedy.
DP: So, in this instance of mumps, you may see belladonna and you're going along,
and then, they develop into the actual swollen gland. You change remedy and you
change the remedies according to what the symptoms are that your child has. So,
you're always looking at the symptom picture number one and matching it to the
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