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TheRussianMinistryofDefensehasselectedKalashnikovConcernsAK12rifletobethenext
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Defense Ministry chose AK-12 Russian military equipment soldier Warrior,

said the radio Russian news service Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.
Its already a done deal. This machine Izhmash Ak-12. Price and quality were
attractive to us, said Borisov. Russian Armed Forces can get this year to 70
thousand. Samples warrior. In 2015 scheduled throwing hundred-ton heavy test
of a ballistic missile Sarmatian. I think that we will finish the ROC in accordance
with the plans, said Borisov. The innovations incorporated in the Sarmatian,
will allow the new launch to outperform the previous generation of ballistic
missiles. The payload of the rocket up to 10 tons, said the deputy minister.
According to him, completed the preliminary design of combat rail missile system
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(BZHRK), the complex will create within the state armaments program until 2020
finished draft design. Everything is going according to plan said Borisov.
Defense Ministry sees no technical difficulties in creating complex. Once the
complex could do in the middle of the 1980s., There is no doubt that Russian
companies are able to create BZHRK in the current environment, the Deputy
Minister concluded.
ItisnotsurprisingtomethattheAK12waschosen.Betweenthedesiretopreserveanailing
KalashnikovConcern,andthetraditionalconservatismofRussianprocurement,theAK12could
havebeenreasonablypredictedtowinthecontract.Onlythesuperiorfullautoperformance(for70
yearsamajorthorninRussiansmallarmsdeveloperssides)oftheA545castdoubtsuponthe
choice,inmymind.
DespitebeingfundamentallyanAK,theAK12doesitselfbringseriousimprovementstothetable.
Improvementsinergonomics,recoilcharacteristics,andcompatibilitywithWesternopticsand
accessories(suchasriflegrenades)offersaveryrealstepupovertheAK74M,makingthe
purchasemorethanjustindulgingtheRussiansmallarmsindustry(thoughitcertainlyisthat).
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a year ago
i wish the Russians could dump all their unneeded Ak-74s over here
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morokko > mosinman
a year ago
Well, they also seem to be prone to giving away some free of charge
soldiers along with the hardware. Its a real bargain. This kind of generosity
just pours from their noble (pan)slavic soul .
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boris > morokko
a year ago
you dont seem to have a problem with their hookers in the usa ?
or is that kind of acceptance part of noble white pan-western soul?
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Guest > mosinman
a year ago
according to russian law its illegal to sell military surplus even thou there
about 17 million of ak74 in storage, and god know how many ak47 sks
mosin ppsh, most thing we see is from other place like Czechoslovakia
Ukraine, but not Russia it self. I've seen and interview with Andrey
Kirisenko he is tester-advisor to the military, and perception was that ak74,
is there to stay for sometime atleast and that there aint much dierence
between it and ak12, except inbuilt toprail. and that ak74 much more likely
get upgrade in optics and other accessories. but still remain in main
service for sometime. imho ak12 isnt as good as it could of be
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Albert Einstein > Guest
a year ago
It is also against the law to invade Ukraine. No one cares.

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a year ago
they chose ak-12 to save kalasinikov

A545 supposed to be a winner
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John > oooo
a year ago
Russia is in the middle of a "police action" with Ukraine, and possibly a few
other countries to boot. This is not a good time for a major Russian
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other countries
to boot. This is not a good time for a major Russian
weapons factory to go under, particularly one that has been supplying the
armed forces for 70-plus years.
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Professionals study tactics, strategy, and logistics. It's all important.

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Zugunder > oooo
a year ago
Overcomplicated mechanism just for balanced recoil? They could've

choose AK-107 for that matter, there you have balanced recoil + "saving
Kalashnikov". Apparently they don't feel that much need in balanced full
auto re.
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a year ago
"It is not surprising to me that the AK-12 was chosen. Between the desire to
preserve an ailing Kalashnikov Concern, and the traditional conservatism of
Russian procurement, the AK-12 could have been reasonably predicted to win the
contract....making the purchase more than just indulging the Russian small arms
industry (though it certainly is that.)"
Sounds awful familiar... not a trace of irony?
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a year ago
"the desire to preserve an ailing Kalashnikov Concern"

That about sums it up right there. The sanctions have hit them hard and I doubt
they will go away without a leadership change in Moscow. With full scale ghting
starting back up in Ukraine, more sanctions are likely and I wouldn't be surprised if
they included ammo producers.
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a year ago
Ive never been a fan of the ak12. Its as if they took design advice from glock.
Theres something classic about the lines of the ak74 currently in service. However,
looks are always secondary to function. If it allows adjustment, optics, and recoil
reduction (5.45? What recoil?), it would be a nice way for the Russians to go 21st
century, even though I feel a 21st century gun should be a bullpup.
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wetcorps > Bal256
a year ago
You mean like this? :)
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Phillip Cooper > wetcorps
a year ago
What on earth is this thing?
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wetcorps > Phillip Cooper
a year ago
Korobov TKB-022. A Soviet (in case you didn't notice from

the sheer amount of bakelite) experimental gun from the
sixties.
It competed to replace the AK, but was denitely too
advanced for its time. Heck, we still have a hard time
comprehending it today.
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Albert Einstein > Phillip Cooper
a year ago
It's "the future"
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Nicholas Mew > Bal256
a year ago
The ADS seems to be the best option. Combines the best elements of the
Kalashnikov style operating system and eld stripping with a forward
ejecting system.
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Grump > Guest
a year ago
I've seen footage somewhere of the AK-12 doing a mag dump and
it appears the A-545's FA controllability advantage is marginal.
Some of that could be due to the AK-12's considerably lower cyclic
rate of re, (650 rpm vs 900) but it seems quite a bit of attention was
paid to minimizing cycling disturbances without resorting to
counterweights.
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Albert Einstein > Guest
a year ago
AK-12... which is heavy as balls for an AK already

+ muzzle brake
+ optics
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+5.45x39
= rie isn't going to freaking move in full auto.

toms
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a year ago
Translation..... Since we will be forced to bail out Kalashnikov Concern to a tune of

1 billion dollars this year, we have decided to make them give us 70,000 new ries
in exchange. The A545 is supposedly the better rie according to the few end
users I have spoken with but the AK12 is only a marginal improvement over the
74M. Also Russia is giving older 74's hand over st to separatists; however, the
stockpiles of newer models are not as high. The older ones are reserved
exclusively for E Ukraine as it doesn't look good for 1 year old ries to turn up
enmass in a country you are supposedly not occupying. Older ries given away,
newer models getting burned up, why not switch to a newer design so we can
mount our pirated Elcans and legally imported eotechs. Still I wonder if the funds
will be available, I expect only elite units will get these if anyone at all.
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Nathaniel F. > toms
a year ago
My understanding is that the A545 is more accurate in fully automatic, but

the AK-12 is cheaper.
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toms > Nathaniel F.
a year ago
Yes by about 100$ or less. The A545 has a lot of positive attributes,
burst accuracy being the most signicant. In addition to the cost,
the older generals are also loath to deviate too far from the rie they
all adore, that is the 74. I think the price dierence would equalize
abit after mass production. One SME on a popular gun forum that
begins with M...com. claims that the Russian high speed guys loath
the 74, feel its unreliable, and that in his opinion it is the most
unreliable service rie ever designed. If its true I never heard a
Russian or Ukrainian soldier complain about the reliability of the
system. People treat him like a gun god so if its true these guns are
going to have problems too. Both of the ries are going to be far
more expensive than the current 74.

John > toms
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a year ago
>newer models getting burned up

I'd bet money on those newer models being sold instead. In fact, I'd bet
that Russian arms dealers are testing the waters with certain rebel groups
in Africa. Such as Boko Haram. Why? Cold cash is always a reason, and it
looks like Boko Haram might be controlling a large part of Nigeria now, so
you'll always want a way in with the locals.
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Kurt Akemann > John
a year ago
The models being sent to Ukraine are 5.45x39mm, which is not

widely used in Africa. To sell ries there, they'd have to be
7.62x39mm.

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a year ago
Mark my words... We will still be seeing a545 procurement and wide distribution...
It's always important to remember the Russian military is not as anal retentive
obsessed with some stupid fantasy of one gun that somehow ts every role!
I stand by my earlier prediction that we will eventually see groups like VDV and
naval commandos mostly armed with a545. While you'll see most other units
armed mostly with AK12 with ocers and some NCO types using a545.
Also... I'm wondering if this is just the ocial buy for the eld trial they announced
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kev > roguetechie
a year ago
Exactly my thoughts especially since the Russians are also updating the
ak107 and the a545 was used in the ratnik demos
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LCON > roguetechie
a year ago
might see A545 in more specialized roles but I doubt they will eld any
thing other then AK12's across the Russian army. as to Ocers and NCO's
AK12 compact.

Steve Truer
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a year ago
Argh I hate that font. Cyrillic "" should not look like an "m".
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KestrelBike > Steve Truffer
a year ago
That's how it's written in handwriting (or as Harry Smith says, when italics
are used).
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Harry Smith > Steve Truffer
a year ago
This shape for the "t" letter is the standard shape for the "italic" fonts. It
copies the shape of the handwritten Cyrillic "t". If you will copy the text and
paste it in the notepad, the "t" letter will become normal. Hope this will
help you in the future, bro.
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a year ago
The trouble with AK-12 - there is nothing there that could gain performance of fa
re comparing to ak-74.
As showed on dierent pics, they lightened the carrier, added perforated gas tube
and changed the muzzle brake.
As the moving mass is now lighter and extra gas is heating the atmosphere - there
would be troubles with reliability and in eld use as well.
There are couple questions on the muzzlebrake design, it's performance, and
most of all - sound level.
A545 as it's predcessors based on the same principle loosing for the 3rd time
already in the past 40 years, so - no surprise here.
Reading the TFB quite often, I'am beggining to think you guys need to nd a way
to translate and publish some of the russian technical articles regarding the
AK74,AN-94 and other intresting guns.
Cause most of the comments are more like "based on the internet mythology"
Regards.
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ColaBox
a year ago
Ok but how does it compare to an old AK? Is it made with tight tendencies like
most modern ries or loose? Can it be buried in an icy tundra for 2 millennia and
still work when you pick it back out? All this information and still no word on its
durability or reliability.
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Nathaniel F. > ColaBox
a year ago
It passed Russian state acceptance tests, the same ones that produced
the original AK.
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LCON > ColaBox
a year ago
despite the new skin, the bolt and operation are still AK. this is renement
not clean sheet. all the features listed are proven on modern non russian
AK and other assault ries.
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a year ago
Are they all going to be this color?

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noguncontrol
a year ago
i like that camo pattern.
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LCON
a year ago
AK12 makes a lot of sense given the cost of production and similarities to existing
AK's. the next questions Are in my mind are they going to adopt the whole
concepts. Meaning is the AK12 not just phasing in to the AK74M spot but the
AK105 Carbine/AKs74U, the SVD, RPK and Saiga to??
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kev
a year ago
What will happen to the A545? Will it see service alongside the ak 107 as a special
operations weapon like the SCAR?
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Nathaniel F. > kev
a year ago
No idea what will happen to A545.

Tom - UK
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a year ago
This means that the Russian Army/Navy/Airforce and Missile command need to
think of something to do with their 17 Million+ AK-74s. I presume the ban on the
importing ofcertain Russian rearms might prevent the USA getting them so who
will?
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TB > Tom - UK
a year ago
Well, the local hardware stores in Eastern Ukraine must be running quite
low by now, considering the staggering amount of sophisticated equipment
the pro-russian "concerned citizens" and Russian soldiers on vacation
have been able to pick up from there, so they might need to increase their
stocks. :-)
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ManBear > Tom - UK
a year ago
17 million!? Holy ....

I'll take 10 please :)
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Nathaniel F. > Tom - UK
a year ago
US machine gun regulations prevent the US from getting them.

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Lance
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a year ago
I don't buy just one Russian news papers nding here. Overall most AK-12s
bought would be for SPetZ Naz and Special forces we. They had a annoucement
a few years ago sayng the same thing. A week later it was denied, believe it when
you see it.
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Just don't buy it until it seen happening.
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Nathaniel F. > Lance
a year ago
I've seen it in about ve news websites, and dierent citations, too. Far
from just one.
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LCON > Lance
a year ago
Lance This is just the latest upgraded model not a totally new system, thats
why it might just see deployment. Think less Revolution more evolution.
And for the Russian Army we see that all the time look at there tank hulls
mostly heavy modications of there direct predecessors.
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guest > Guest
a year ago
Never get o the valium and/or medicinal marijuana.

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Gern Blanston > guest
a year ago
I'm completely drug/prescription free so do us all a favor and go

hang yourself
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Craig Johanson > Gern Blanston
a year ago
You need to stop posting. Seriously, did you parents get

mugged by a rogue blin or something?
You know what I don't get? The Russians don't hate us
anywhere near as much as we seem to hate them. Some of
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morokko > mosinman

boris > morokko

Guest > mosinman

Albert Einstein > Guest

It is also against the law to invade Ukraine. No one cares.

they chose ak-12 to save kalasinikov

John > oooo

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Professionals study tactics, strategy, and logistics. It's all important.

Zugunder > oooo

Overcomplicated mechanism just for balanced recoil? They could've

"the desire to preserve an ailing Kalashnikov Concern"

wetcorps > Bal256

You mean like this? :)

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Phillip Cooper > wetcorps

What on earth is this thing?

wetcorps > Phillip Cooper

Korobov TKB-022. A Soviet (in case you didn't notice from

Albert Einstein > Phillip Cooper

It's "the future"

Nicholas Mew > Bal256

This comment was deleted.

Grump > Guest

Albert Einstein > Guest

AK-12... which is heavy as balls for an AK already

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Translation..... Since we will be forced to bail out Kalashnikov Concern to a tune of

Nathaniel F. > toms

My understanding is that the A545 is more accurate in fully automatic, but

toms > Nathaniel F.

>newer models getting burned up

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Kurt Akemann > John

The models being sent to Ukraine are 5.45x39mm, which is not

kev > roguetechie

LCON > roguetechie

KestrelBike > Steve Truffer

Harry Smith > Steve Truffer

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Nathaniel F. > ColaBox

LCON > ColaBox

Are they all going to be this color?

i like that camo pattern.

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Army To Standardize AK-12 - The Firearm Blog

Nathaniel F. > kev

No idea what will happen to A545.

ManBear > Tom - UK

17 million!? Holy ....

Nathaniel F. > Tom - UK

US machine gun regulations prevent the US from getting them.

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