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5R110W Problems Fixes
5R110W Problems Fixes
5R110W Problems Fixes
SEPTEMBER
9/19/15 -- Chicago, IL
9/26/15-- Clark-Newark, NJ
OCTOBER
ATRA's Powertrain Expo
October 29 - November 1
NOVEMBER
11/7/15 -- Baltimore, MD
Presented by:
Mike Souza
ATRA Senior
Research Technician
5R110W Problems & Fixes Webinar 2015 ATRA. All Rights Reserved.
Early 2003-2004
Body
Casting #RF3C3P
Stator Support
Casting #3C3P
Body
Casting #RF5C3P
Casting #RF5C3P
Stator Support
The converter pilot is a tight fit with the crankshaft, so make sure it doesnt have any paint on it. Make sure
the journal is smooth and free of any burrs or nicks.
Check the crankshaft, make sure its clean and free of any corrosion or debris that can bind the pilot.
Take some extra time to slide the converter up to the flexplate and make sure the pilot fits smoothly into the
crankshaft.
When you bolt up the converter to the flexplate during installation, make sure you pull the converter all the
way toward the crankshaft, and then tighten the converter bolts gradually as you turn the converter. Make
sure the converter pilot doesnt bind as you tighten the bolts.
Clean the engine block and bellhousing of any paint, debris or corrosion.
Check the dowel pins, make sure their extended out far enough.
Check the dowel pin holes on the bellhousing, make sure they are not worn out.
Add a ground strap from the engine block to the battery to prevent electrolysis.
When your putting the pump together instead of squirting oil onto the pump gears pack it with trans jell.
Here are a couple of tips that were used back when the Aisin Seiki units where failing on the lift:
With the engine off and the first 4 quarts or so have been poured into the unit. Have another 4 quarts ready.
Dont wait, have someone ready to add it right away after you start the vehicle.
If it fills too slow it may be better to turn off the engine and add more and then restart engine.
You can also start out with more than 4 quarts instead start out with 8 quarts or more.
If you make this mistake, youll have no choice but to remove the transmission from the vehicle
and correct it.
Incorrect
Engagement Issues
A complaint of a delay and/or intermittent no reverse or forward concern may be caused by a
faulty Internal Range Sensor.
After inspecting the linkage and shifter assembly. Remove the pan and inspect the internal range
sensor.
With the rooster comb pushed away from the sensor. A clearer view reveals that the pin that
follows the worm track in the rooster comb is worn paper thin.
New
Old
Engagement Issues
The other item that was noticeable on the new sensor was the return spring for the
sensor pin cam.
The newer sensor had a different spring configuration that placed more tension on the
pin to rooster comb contact.
Newer Sensor
Old
New
Pressure Problems
When trying to diagnose a low line pressure problem the line pressure relief valve in the solenoid
body gets overlooked. The line pressure relief valve works the same way as the EPC relief found
on the earlier E4OD units.
On most solenoid body exploded views and diagrams this is not shown.
If the ball is stuck open as shown in the example below will cause a leak in EPC pressure.
Do not remove the relief valve from the solenoid body it is a one time press fit. If removed will
cause damage to the solenoid body. This one was removed for demonstration purposes only.
5R110W
Good
Bad
EPC
Blow Off
E4OD
Swapping Solenoids
In most cases swapping a solenoid with one that looks just like it is usually not a problem. In the
case of the 5R110W there can be an issue.
The solenoids all look the same even after they are removed from the solenoid body. It doesnt
always mean if it looks like a duck that it will quack like a duck, the solenoids function differently.
SSPC-C
PC-A
SSPC-D
SSPC-C
TCC
SSPC-D
SSPC-B
SSPC-E
SSPC-E
SSPC-A
Swapping Solenoids
The TCC, SSPC-B, SSPC-C and the SSPC-E are all directly proportional solenoids. When the TCM
controlled amperage is high the solenoid regulates maximum pressure.
The PC-A, SSPC-A and the SSPC-D are all inversely proportional solenoids. When the TCM
controlled amperage is low the solenoid regulates maximum pressure.
From the back of the solenoid you can easily identify which is directly proportional and which is
inversely proportional.
Swapping Solenoids
On the front of the solenoids you can also see the 3 different tab locations.
On the inversely proportional solenoids the PC-A tab (line) is in a different location
than the others.
"Inversely" Proportional Solenoids
Center
Low
PC-A
Swapping Solenoids
So, if thats the case then we should be able to swap any directly or inversely proportional
solenoid with another just like it.
Yes you can, but the exception to the rule is the PC-A solenoid (line). This solenoid when placed
next to another directly proportional solenoid you can see a difference.
The inversely proportional PC-A (line) has a smaller orifice near the tip of the snout but regulates
at approximately 190 psi while the others like it only regulate at 140 psi.
When swapping the PC-A solenoid with SSPC-D may
result in a firmer upshift or downshift complaint.
The shifts are synchronized so engine tune and clutch
clearances may be a factor.
On 2008 is some cases has set code P2703 (Direct clutch
failed on of off) for clutch apply too fast.
Swapping it the other way would cause low max line.
Check
Trans !
Tow
Haul
Trans
Temp F
Example 1 flash = 1, 3 flashes = 3. There will be a pause between each of the 3 digits of the fault
code. 1 flash pause 2 flashes pause 2 flashes pause = code 122 / P0711 TFT Sensor
4 If more than one fault code is present the Trans Temp indicator will flash once between each
fault code.
5 When all fault codes have been flashed the Trans Temp indicator will flash twice and the
Tow/Haul indicator will turn off.
Transmission Overheating
Transmission overheating issues check the cooler bypass thermal element located in the pump
stator support.
Hold the element with a pair of needle nose pliers and heat it up with a lighter the end should
protrude out as seen below.
Blocking the valve inward with a spacer that measures the same length as the element fully
extended is fine in some warm areas but not recommended for colder areas.
Fully Extended 1.153
.190
0.963
2003-07 Models
2006-07
2008-09
Cooler Bypass
Remote Filter
Assembly
RF5C3P-7B324-AB
2006-07 With
External Filter
RF5C3P-7B324-AC
2008-09 Without
External Filter
Width .078
Depth .050
Venting Issues
Leaking out of the vent can be caused by dipstick hitting valve body and not going all the way
down to the bottom of the pan.
This would give a false reading on the dipstick and too much fluid would be placed into the
transmission.
A bracket could be made from some thin sheet metal and bolted to the valve body. This would
prevent the dipstick from contacting the valve body and stop this from occurring.
Bracket
Note: some dipsticks have been known to be too short right from the factory. Check the length of the dipstick by
leaving the pan off with the dipstick inserted the full mark should be even with the pan rail.
Venting Issues
The pump is cross leaking between the halves. The options to correct this are to purchase an OE
new pump or have the existing pump machined.
A new pump is flat however it may develop the same problem down the road after it has gone
through some hot and cold cycles.
A used pump that has been machined will be
more stable and is less likely develop the problem
again. The key to using the old pump is having it
machined correctly.
Talk to your local machinist, explain the complaint
and express your concerns about the pump being
flat.
There is one more less costly alternative to this
problem a fix by TransGo shown on the following
pages.
A closer look revealed the pigtail wires run down the fan shroud had worn through causing all
these problems.
After changing the fan clutch and (pigtail attached) everything worked okay.
Its a lot to ask a tech to take a movie snap shot with a scan tool while sliding down the highway
at 60-70 mph to see what the PCM was possibly commanding.
2005-06 Models
Clearance
Low/Reverse Planet
Alto
Special thanks to Roby Ferguson at Alto & SunCoast Performance and their joint venture for the this information.
2003-04
2005
.200 Deeper
Converter
Feed
2003-04
2005
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