7:30 PM Local News WAVE/Louisville (NBC) began a 7:30 PM local newscast today, which immediately follows their 7:00

PM Newscast. Extra previously ran in that timeslot. Are any other stations across the country doing this? WTMJ in Milwaukee did a 6:30pm newscast for a couple of years, which did nothing at all against ET on ABC, Seinfeld reruns on Fox, and Wheel of Fortune on CBS. They got Access Hollywood in February and killed the 6:30 immediately to fit it in. There seems to be one sole aim with these pre-primetime shows; if they can get a good syndicated program, they'll put it before primetime. WTMJ also had Extra before programming the 6:30pm newscast, which of course is the red-headed stepchild of the infotainment shows. So basically WAVE is doing much more than they ever could with Extra's non-news and it doesn't cost much more to have their 6pm/11pm team doing a newscast in the middle. KPHO/Phoenix (CBS) is the only Big 4 + 1 major independent that does "7:30 PM" news. Rather it's 6:30 with prime time schedule starting at 7:00. KPHO has an hour of local news at 5:00 PM, CBS Evening News at 6:00, and local at 6:30. Interestingly, ABC/NBC air World News/Nightly News at 5:30. If you want to flip channels, Phoenix has local news from 4 to 7 PM. 6:30 (Central Time) news has been the norm on channels 4 and 5 in Nashville for years. Likewise KTRK/13 Houston, and I assume KCNC/4 Denver and KSTP/5 St. Paul-Minneapolis are also running local news at 6:30 (CT, except MT in Denver). I wonder how much more news the Louisville stations can squeeze in; WHAS has started a 4 PM newscast to replace Oprah. This is one case where comparing newscasts in the Eastern/Pacific time zones to the Central/Mountain time zones is not really valid. Central/Mountain are much more likely to have newscasts at 6:30pm than Eastern/Pacific are to have newscasts at 7:30pm. Now, I must mention that then-independent KTVT in Dallas tried an hour-long newscast at 7pm for a while in the early 90's. In the San Francisco Bay Area, the 7:30 is the only half hour between 4:00 PM and 11:35 PM without a newscast. With that exception, news is on continually on one station or another between those hours. KMBC repeats it's 6pm Newscast on METV at 6:30pm. Some area's have 24/7 Local News Channel. WSFA in Montgomery Alabama does a 4 P.M. and 4:30 P.M. Newscast too. It started yesterday, when Oprah came an end. This TV station does local news at these times now: 5:30 to 7:00 A.M. (Main Channel) 8:00 to 9:00 A.M. (Digital Subchannel) (A repeat of the 5:30 A.M. Newscast from their main Channel) (Not sure if they will keep this on when they premiere Bounce TV later on this Month) 11:00 A.M. to 12:00 P.M. (Main Channel)

4:00 to 5:30 P.M. (Main Channel) 6:00 to 6:30 P.M. (Main Channel) 6:30 to 7:30 P.M. (Digital Subchannel) (A repeat of the 11:00 A.M. Newscast from their main channel) (Not sure if they will keep this on when they premier Bounce TV later on this month) 7:30 to 8:00 P.M. (Digital Subchannel) (A repeat of the 6:00 P.M. Newscast from their main channel) (Not sure if they will keep this on when they premiere Bounce TV later on this month) 9:00 to 9:30 P.M. (Digital subchannel) (Not sure if they will keep this on when they premiere Bounce TV later on this Month) 10:00 to 10:30 P.M. (Main Channel) 6 and 10 (Main Channel) (Saturday Nights) 9 P.M. (Digital Subchannel) (Saturday and Sunday nights) (Not too sure if they will keep this on when they premiere Bounce TV later on this month) 5 and 10 (Main Channel) (Sunday nights) Whew that was a mouthful wasn't it? Personally I just don't see the 4 and 4:30 newscasts doing too well for WSFA. They might be shooting themselves in the foot for doing it. Although they say these two newscasts won't repeat the same stories, I don't see how they will avoid it, being that Montgomery is a small market anyway. Just my two cents> R.D.P. <>< P.S. And yes WCFT/WBMA/WJSU ABC simulcast in Tusacaloosa, Birmingham and Anniston/Jacksonville is also doing a 4 P.M. Newscast too. That one might work out, since that area of Alabama is in a bigger market and has more stuff to happen. The only reason why WSFA added a 4pm news is because it is a mandate for most, if not all of the stations in the Raycom group. Huntsville has it, and almost all of their markets in the Carolinas and Georgia have one. CBS in Charleston and NBC Columbia are only half-hours, but most are an hour-long. All of their stations even have basically the exact same graphics. WNCN Raleigh used to have one in an hour-long 7pm news, but it was low-rated and now it has been replaced by Extra. Look at Los Angeles, between 4:30am and 11:35pm, there are 2 half hours (barring any preemptions) without local newscasts on air. If you include late night repeats (between midnight and 2am), there are 4 hours a day over the air without local news... Here's the coverage: 4:30-10:30am KTTV (plus others at times) 11am-12n KABC 12n-1pm KCAL 1pm-2pm KTLA 2-3:30pm KCAL 4-6pm KABC 6-7pm KTLA or KSCI 7-8pm KNBC.2 (Non-stop LA) 8-10pm KCAL 10-11pm KTLA 11-11:35pm KCBS 12m-1am KWHY (Spanish repeat)

1-2am KTTV (repeat) I partially agree; it's more likely that a local newscast will appear at 6:30 CT/MT. But don't forget that for years that was the beginning of primetime; after the access rule went into effect most stations used that time for entertainment programs (the most common news setup was local at 5, network at 5:30, local at 6, then into network or syndicated programming), so there is some parallel with 7:30 ET/PT. And I can think of at least one station, WLS Chicago, that chucked the 6:30-7 PM portion of its "Eyewitness News" in order to carry "Wheel Of Fortune." KMBC/KCWE doesn't do a Midday but is doing a 9pm on Weeknds know. KMCI only repeat at Noon of 11am on KSHB. Starting tonight on 38 the Spot, catch our new show Right This Minute! Tell us what you think here on the wall, and look for more changes on 38 the Spot! Ironically, WDRB/Louisville (Fox) recently started at 6:30 PM Newscast to compete with national newscasts on WAVE, WLKY (CBS), and WHAS (ABC). WDRB has no 6:00 News. You're correct about KCNC 4 Also, KUSA 9 has a 6:00 PM newscast All three run network newscasts at 5:30 KDVR 31 (Fox) has news from 5:00 PM to 6:00 PM & sister station KWGN 2 (CW) delays CW primetime by an hour for a 7:00 PM newscast (Though hardly anyone watches it) 9/11 coverage...thoughts? I thought the networks and cablenets were quite on target today. A subdued approach, nothing overly hyped, and respectful to the ceremonies. Perhaps a lesson for other future events... CNN's coverage was the best of them all....great music, great simple graphics.... CBS was the best...they stuck with the whole ceremony, not interrupting for yakety yak like ABC with over-emotional Diane Sawyer and little Miss Know-It-All Christianne Amanpour. Same goes for NBC and Brian Williams & Co. Also kudos to CNBC for simulcasting WNBC's entire coverage. I agree with ABC, it was just that. I didn't want to spend the weekend with wall to wall coverage, but I did catch the NBC Brokaw special on Friday night and it was excellent. CBS had a riviting special Sunday night and it was pretty good also (somehow they were allowed to keep all the cuss words from the actual footage intact). It would have been just as fine with bleeps though IMO. I'd vote to move the Labor Day holiday to Sept. 11th. The one on CBS was a rerun with some added interview at the end. It first aired not long after the attacks. The filmaker was making a run of the mill doc. about the fire department 9-11 happened and managed to get the only clear footage of the first plane hitting the building. They also ran the show with the cursing intact the first time. Including the "F" word. which is rare on broadcast TV. 9/11 was a fantastic documentary. I'd recommend it to anyone who can get their hands on it. I didn't get to see tonight's presentation, so I didn't get to see the most current commentary, but I still

have the tape from the first time it ran. Was tonight's show run with limited commercials? 10 years ago, Ford sponsored the entire show; I think there was only one commercial break during the entire presentation. I did not care for the coverage, as it should have been an ordinary day for the broadcasters doing the coverage. I wish they would stop referring to the events of 2001 by the calendar date alone without the year either in numeral form or long form. They have made a victim out of a calendar date. Every day is a new day and good things and bad things happen ever day, yet no one would ever refer to something bad as "7/4" or "July 4th" or "12/25" or "December 25th". No calendar date should be overshadowed by an event or a series of events that happened to occur on the same date. I hope everyone who was born on the eleventh day of September had a good birthday yesterday in spite of the constant reminders of their birth date and its other meaning according to news broadcasters and/or their bosses. I hope for their sake and the sake of those who care that news broadcasters, news writers, and some of their viewers, listeners, and readers quit associating the eleventh day of September with the attacks and airplane hijackings that occurred on that date in 2001. I didn't watch anything. The one thing I would have liked to see was coverage ABC, NBC or CBS from that day. Fox News did do that but it was too late by the time I found out. I understand your point, as I didn't watch any 9/11-related programming yesterday outside of what the NFL did with the tribute ceremonies prior to each kickoff (1, 4:15, and 8:30pm ET). I've watched a couple of related documentaries this past week, including portions of the interview former President George W. Bush did for National Geographic Channel, and something else I seen on The Smithsonian Channel in which members of the (second) Bush Administration were interviewed as well. It's just too depressing, personally, thinking about what happened on that tragic day ten years ago. Yeah, I get both of your points. I've just never experienced the day the way the rest of the world did, and I feel the need to do that. It would have been scary to wonder what was coming next, but the reality is when I was at the library, hearing someone on an Internet computer giving periodic updates (The Pentagon, rumors about the White House), I didn't want to hear any more. But I've never actually known what it was like for the news anchors wondering when it was all going to end. I went outside to walk for exercise and halfway expected planes to attack where I was. But believe it or not, I didn't know the towers fell until 5:00 (the guy on the computer said a tower fell, but I interpreted that as meaning the part above where the planes hit. At no time did I think an entire one of those towers would fall). Now that part of it I've witnessed in a documentary and a mad-for-TV movie with some fictional elements. And I did get tired of watching recaps that night as I waited for the prime-time programming that never came--even though the WB station had "Drew Carey" reruns. Did your locals carry Obama address? Here in Central time, the address would have pre-empted the 6pm news. The ABC affiliate, WEHT not carry the address. The CBS affiliate, which doesn't do news anyway, stuck with syndicated 2.5 Men. NBC, PBS, and our Independent, WTVW carried the address in its entirety. WTVW made it a part of their hour-long 6pm news.

What about your market? The Green Bay and Milwaukee affiliates of all the networks outside of NBC carried it; both Green Bay (WGBA) and Milwaukee (WTMJ) NBC affiliates took kickoff coverage from Lambeau for obvious reasons and bumped the speech over to their .2's (which seem to exist on autopilot anyways and are in the 990's on cable). In the Central and Mountain it's not much of a problem since it's local news time there anyway, and to a smaller extent Pacific stations are in their 4pm newscasts if they air them. I think you will find that most locals carried it. There may have been a few network affiliate rebels, but for the most part, when networks carry speeches such as this, most locals will comply. The consequences of not running it are too high to risk it, from both a viewer and network standpoint. In Seattle, I saw ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, Univision and NWCN (NorthWest Cable News) airing the address. -crainbebo I was surprised to see WGN carry it, (local station, not cable network) In the Central and Mountain it's not much of a problem since it's local news time there anyway, and to a smaller extent Pacific stations are in their 4pm newscasts if they air them. According to the Comcast listings (For what that's worth) KUSA 9 pre-empted their 5:00 PM news altogether for the speech but moved their 6:00 PM newscast over to duopoly sister station KTVD 20 due to Football (Who also aired the usual 9:00 PM newscast IN SIMULCAST with KUSA 9) KUSA 9 also pre-empted the NBC Nightly News too by opting for a local 4:30 newscast instead no doubt it was the lowest rated Presidential address before a joint session of Congress since very early in the Television era, if ever I wouldn't say that -- people who would normally tune in to "Wheel of Fortune" or "Entertainment Tonight" would tune in, as would those who would watch the evening newscasts that fall during that time. But for the record, the President usually waits until many of the stations are with the network, which is usually 9PM ET / 6PM PT -- during prime-time on the east coast and during the news on the west; as well as 11AM ET / 8AM PT, during TPIR and The View in the east and the morning news shows in the west. San Diego Gas & Electric pre-empted Obama's speech. It would have been the last thing on everybody's mind, as it is. 3, 6, 10 and 12 in Philly aired it. No surprise Julius. 3, 6 & 10 are all owned by their respective networks anyway. They do what the networks tell them to do Besides the game didn't start until 8:15 PM which gave NBC & WCAU 10 plenty of time to join the game after the speech by moving continuing coverage over to MSNBC 5.9 Earthquake Hits Washington, D.C. and East Coast, how's the TV coverage?

Learned not too long ago a 5.9 earthquake centered around Mineral, VA hit Washington, DC, NYC and was felt as far as Detroit. Not too much damage, that's good. Checked around the TV about 11:40 this morning...not good in Seattle Angry ABC (KOMO): Regular programming NBC (KING): Ticker that says "Stay tuned to KING 5 News", otherwise regular CBS (KIRO): Regular Fox (KCPQ): Regular Univision: Regular Weather Channel: relaying MSNBC but with local weather bar/Hurricane Irene map on bottom, so cut off Angry NWCN (Northwest Cable News): relaying CNN but audio was cutting out... Noon KING/KIRO has news at noon, and they covered the story, but no more than ten min. later went on to more serious stories, like a shooting in Seattle Roll Eyes NWCN was relaying KING, and CBC (Canada) had some coverage but went on to Tripoli news after ten or so min. CNN/MSNBC has full coverage, kudos to them as they are "NEWS" channels Grin -crainbebo San Francisco talked about the 5.5 Quake in Colorado. Update San Francisco has coverage of the 5.9 quake in DC. Well remember the 3.6 quake that was hyped all over the DC area last year I wonder if this is the same fault in DC that caused the 3.6 quake in 2010. Ten minutes after the quake, Danville VA independent station WMDV began continuous coverage, which ended at 9:00pm. They were joined at times by sister stations WGSR in Reidsville, NC and NewsChannel 18 in Martinsville, VA. At 4:00pm, WGSR took the lead in coverage, with cut-ins from Martinsville and Danville. Bulletins on the aftershocks, the controlled concern in Washington DC and NYC and surveys of local damage were the news story of the day, and where information ran thin we opened the telephones for viewer stories on what they saw and felt. For most of our viewers, this was the first earthquake they have experienced. It was our job to help them understand what had happened, and to assure them that while this event was serious it was not catastrophic. Our entire crew was involved in covering this, and we continue to make a forum for people to share their experience on our Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/starnewstv . Hurricane Irene Local Coverage Thread Who's doing live LOCAL coverage? Who's doing the best? Who's doing the worst? Post here The wind is making it a real challenge to keep Richmond locked in. The Roanoke locals aren't doing anything at all since it's mostly outside their area. NBC29 Charlottesville isn't doing anything either. WRIC is airing a crawl on top of baseball. WTVR has this: http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/1-temp/WTKRonWTVR.png WRLH has nothing. I can't receive WWBT.

CBS Richmond was simulcasting CBS Norfolk, I'm guessing? Yes. They're breaking away occasionally with a local update, but it's mostly a simulcast of WTKR. Wall to wall coverage on all the Philadelphia affiliates: CBS3, 6ABC, NBC10, FOX29 Can't really say which one's the best or worst... they're all pretty much the same. I flip back and forth among all of them, as well as the national coverage on The Weather Channel, CNN, and Fox News. Might be some overkill and sensationalism, but so what? How often do we get an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week? Don't know about best, but this could go down as most unusual, clever, creative, etc.: Belo station WVEC 13 Norfolk VA is being fed to secondary subchannels of other Belo stations. The feed replaced the weather loop at WFAA 8.2 in Dallas, and KASW in Phoenix created a whole new subchannel on 61.2 to show it. Much of the coverage overnight was either blank or a view of the city from a camera mounted on a building or tower, but occasionally, they would break in with local weather reports, such as when tornado warnings were issued in the 2am hour last night, and they sent out their expanded local 11pm newscast as well. Today, WVEC is providing wall-to-wall coverage. Not all Belo stations are taking the WVEC feed. KVUE in Austin TX and KENS in San Antonio TX are reported to not be taking it, and I've confirmed that neither of the Tucson Belo stations, KMSB or KTTU, are taking it. Here in New York, cable-only NY1 (and News 12 I'd assume, as I don't have access to them in Queens) and the Big Four O&Os have been wall-to-wall since early this morning. I've been tuned mostly to WABC-TV and NY1. WPIX did not come on until after Noon, I guess. Their block of anime cartoons was more important than a weather emergency. WWOR-TV was, of course, simulcasting WNYW's coverage, but as I'm writing this they have broken away and doing their own update. Even worse was the non-presence of the two big Spanish-language stations, WXTV and WNJUTV, though the latter is now providing coverage via its network, Telemundo. Suburban indies WLNY-TV and WMBC-TV are doing NOTHING aside from screen crawls. Along with WRNN (which i can't get here), their news departments are closed on weekends. This thread started with.... "Who's doing live LOCAL coverage? Who's doing the best? Who's doing the worst?" and the same poster says... "Piece of friendly advice: knock off the caps lock, the bold and the underlining. You've been online long enough that you should know how rude that's perceived to be." So its the underlining that's rude? Okay. BTW, I live in Dallas, where Belo's WFAA-Channel 8 is currently carrying the Little League Wold Series, as they should be.

WFAA gets a lot of their feeds from CNN, which I can flip to when the LLWS gets out of hand...and weather wise, WFAA took a huge hit for failing to cover a massive storm with tornados all over the DFW area, opting to keep Dancing With The Stars on. WBZ and WHDH Boston have had updates every half hour, while WCVB runs a ticker at the bottom of the screen. I'm guessing that by tomorrow, we'll have wall to wall coverage. I think that this is a wonderful idea for a subchannel. I wish the Gannett station here in Minneapolis (KARE) would have taken Gannett's Washington station's (WUSA) coverage on their weather subchannel. Why not? Any chance any TV station,, in the area, may be streaming coverage online? I think it's safe to say all the major network affils in DC, Philly and NYC are streaming their newscasts at this point...Boston will join in by Morning Not quite the case in Philly as Fox 29 is the only one streaming (Supposedly NBC 10 had one but I couldn't get the player to load) Not true. Both WPVI 6ABC and KYW CBS 3 (along with WCAU NBC 10) are streaming; however, WPVI's stream is the clearest and consistent of the three I mentioned. KYW's comes in and out. CBS 3 is streaming reliably now As for the NBC O&O's, I'm not sure why I couldn't get those to load, which is why I said they supposedly had streams set up (Might have a plugin missing somewhere as I couldn't get WCVB or WMUR either) Haven't checked WPVI since yesterday however I found that WPRI 12 in Providence is now streaming also Cheers Cheesy We are watching WPIX and WWOR/FOX 5 coverage here in Tennessee. I'm pretty sure everyone is doing their best at all of the stations. We wish everyone the best during this. Most likely it'll only be just WHDH/WLVI & WFXT though. CBS doesn't believe in streaming any of its TV stations & I highly doubt WCVB will put up a stream WCBS 2 is doing a GREAT job of tracking these storms! Kudos to anchor Chris Wragge and reporter Tony Aiello in Mobile 2 of describing us what's going on in Manhattan and other areas. I also saw WPIX is streaming too, but WCBS has the best coverage I've seen this evening. Probably not going to switch to WABC tonight... -crainbebo The CBS News Live Stream today had "CBS News Sunday Morning", "Face the Nation", and "Irene Strikes" (a special network report) with broadcasts from WCBS-TV in New York, New York in between. Here is an address to the stream: http://www2.wkrg.com/live/cbs/ I actually saw a clip from WCBS where it was so windy and the waves were so strong they had to move to another location, and the reporter dropped the mic in the water, and it made a huge Plop!

I don't think I saw that. I went to bed and shut it off around 3AM (Eastern time). -crainbebo It might be okay if like HLN shows like coverage from another Station. Would have liked them to show more CBS 2 New York coverage then WABC. Also I was surprised for Boston they were using WHDH which is Boston's NBC affilate. Figure they use WBZ 4. CNBC and FBC had regular programming on. Sunday Morning Show To Be Pre-empted In NE? Wow...my Sunday morning rituals (and I'm NOT talking about going to church here) will be entirely upended by Irene in New England. Chances are all the Sunday morning talk shows will be preempted by Boston TV stations and channel 9 in Manchester. "Meet the Press" probably won't be on MSNBC at 2:00 pm Eastern time; maybe in the overnight. ABC's "This Week" and CBS's "Face the Nation" will also be blacked out. OK, this happens in winter when it snows heavily on a Sunday, so I should be able to get over it. And Howie Kurtz's "Reliable Sources" was going to be on hiatus anyway. It may be all moot if the electricity goes out and I have to rely on (gasp) RADIO! Well considering what Irene is doing to places like Philly & NYC, this shouldn't be a surprise to any Bostonian As for Meet The Press not being on MSNBC, that will only be in the event they are in hurricane coverage mode themselves (It should still be seen south of the Carolinas on the East Coast & elsewhere in America on the main NBC network though) These Sunday talk shows are either taped on Saturday or are live on Sunday in Washington, D.C. Either way, I doubt anyone will be in the studios considering the hurricane is passing almost over D.C. It'll be long gone from D.C. by the time the shows air. ABC has already said there will be three live feeds of This Week. They all podcast thankfully, so if you get to a computer you can get them that way. Usually FTN also has a WCBS rebroadcast on the radio but I don't see that happening, and there is a slight possibility that MTP will still re-air on NBC's "All Night" block as usual (slight as it depends on local pre-emptions, of course). And Fox News Sunday (not mentioned) will likely have their FNC re-airs dead for the weekend. CBS tweeted that this week's "Face The Nation" broadcast was indeed available in on-demand video form. Also, a previous tweet from CBS advertised "FTN" as being "live" - at least for this past weekend, anyway. Fox News Sunday was shown at 11am locally on Fox 29 in Philly yesterday morning, 2 hours later than normal. In Boston, WBZ punted Face the Nation and the golf over to sister station WSBK... The Weather channel interrupts regular programming for the Weather! 8 pm tonite- TWC announces the regularly scheduled program "Caught on Camera" has been preempted due to the coverage of Hurricane Irene.

Anyone else see the irony? Is there an irony? Not in the least. That the channel is doing what they're supposed to be doing in the first place? Geez! Yeah, what's wrong with this picture? Cheesy Yeah, they do that all the time for significant weather events - many of which are regional (such as severe weather outbreaks). As well they should. Nothing odd about it - it's good to see them doing what they should be doing. Even better is to see Crystal Eggert on there! Shocked They are doing what their name is. Doing a good job of covering Irene. Just one mess up when they were trying to change the wather maps I noticed lastnight. Regarding The Weather Channel, do they have different graphics, they look good. As I found a feed of TWC online but the graphics for the local bottom ticker and on the 8's are not the same. This is what the graphics look like on my weather on the 8's http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=huRg1M4rKhA&feature=related They're saying Irene may be the first hurrican to have an impact on the US mainland in years. Already the weatherfolks in Boston are telling viewers to be ready depending on the track of the storm. Several years ago, I remember flipping between the Weather Channel and Boston TV and the former seemed to be the better predictor of the hurricane heading north at that time. That's when Jim Cantore was better and Dave Schwartz was still on as a meteorlogist! Better yet, it wasn't owned by NBC Universal. Roll Eyes -crainbebo They're saying Irene may be the first hurrican to have an impact on the US mainland in years. Already the weatherfolks in Boston are telling viewers to be ready depending on the track of the storm. Several years ago, I remember flipping between the Weather Channel and Boston TV and the former seemed to be the better predictor of the hurricane heading north at that time. I hope they dump all the bs programming and revert to their namesake for coverage of Irene. They will probably devote a LOT of coverage to Irene but sometime next spring there will be a line of thunderstorms w/ tornado warnings during prime time. And those folks will probably watch the rehash of Irene. I have been watching a lot of weathernation tv lately www.facebook.com/weathernation and I love the baron and weather central graphics. Plus they have smart people running the channel. All weather all the time To slightly change the subject, TWC still has the time to fit in 2-3 min of commercials evry 10 min incl the 2 min local on the 8's. I imagine they will sneak in a few extra C's over the weekend. Yes-Nicole M is both attractive AND competent. You Watch During The Storm, Watch Us After The Storm Has anyone noticed The Weather Channel's new promo? Its good, I must say I am watching The

Weather Channel the most I have in awhile. Wonder if they see a ratings increase they will go back to showing more weather. When the storm is over, people aren't going to keep tuning in to see people tell them there's not much of note impacting their life. If they see a rating increase, it's just because of the hurricane, and people probably haven't watched Weather Channel in a while. They'll burn out on it by the weekend. At last while the hurricane is eminent, more people can do their water cooler talk (and their talk show topics and their small talk topics) about the same tv programming, like it was when there were five channels.... t will be interesting to see how many of the local "WeatherScan" channels offered by local stations on cable and digital subchannels are viewed vs. The Weather Channel in those areas. People still rely on CNN for breaking news, but I'm curious as to how many turn to TWC for breaking weather news - specifically after they've said "F-you" to viewers by scheduling "March of the Penguins". Well for the record The Weather Channel started to cover the hurricane before any of the news channels CNN, MSNBC, etc. Pre-Recorded Sporting Events Bug Me After watching "American Ninja Warrior" last night reminded me why I hate prerecorded sporting events. As I was watching on my DVR, the commentators where acting like at least one guy would win the whole thing but if you pay attention to the recording you would notice the time was about up for the show as the last person came close to end of the 3rd of the 4th stage. It was obvious he would fall because the last stage is at least 2 minutes long. This is just one example of time after time when an event is prerecorded and edited it is obvious the outcome in the last 5-10 minutes. Do the networks really think that we are that stupid? Do they really think they will want to continue watching the show? On another note, American Ninja Warrior by NBC is just another show American TV screwed up. The commentators were totally unneeded except for explaining the event. Imagine if "American Ninja Warrior" was like baseball and didn't operate with a clock. They are ninjas! They would go at it forever! Also, you just gave 250 sports radio hosts an idea for tomorrow's show: "American Ninja: Sport or Not?" Cheesy Well, so much for listening to the radio tomorrow. I guess I will just sit in the dark, curled up in a little ball and sleep. Having a sports package on a dish, with lots of RSN's that rerun events, I have come to kind of enjoy it. They allow me to time-shift my viewing of something I missed or watch a sporting event at some odd hour. The only thing that bugs me is when they run that score scrawl across the bottom of the screen, and they include THE SCORE OF THE GAME I AM CURRENTLY WATCHING. Why do they do that?

i have never seen the show so i have a question. is american ninja warriors a sporting event or just another reality show? You think "American Ninja Warrior" is bad on tape. How about the last Olympics coverage for the West Coast. "Live on Tape" from 3 hours ago played back to the Pacific Time Zone from the host city (Vancouver) which is also in the Pacific Time Zone. Brilliant strategy there NBC. Just brilliant. I remember the days of Roller Games/Roller Derby, always taped & 1 hour long. Once I saw that there was a good chance of overtime (tie score), with about 1-2 minutes before the show had to end. Needless to say, a skater ("jammer") came outta nowhere to pass the other team and win the game. Smiley Same with pro wrestling. Unless it's pay-per-view (which I sure won't waste money on), look at the schedule & clock....you *know* something will happen before the show ends. Now...calling these above "sports", well that is for another thread. Wink cd "Battle of the Network SuperStars" wasn't done in real time either. I imagine that they were a lot like American Ninja Warriors, in that they are not striving for credibility in the pantheon of sport, but more to fill time relatively cheaply, and sell a few ads. And to see Suzanne Sommers and Erin Grey and Marilu Henner and Charlene Tilton jiggle around in a wet bikini. That was really BOTNS strongest draw. Raw goes over the extra 5 minutes USA gives them alot of time. Hell, when The Rock came back they went over about 20 minutes. PPVs always end on time. 1) You forgot about "Roller Jam" on (what was) TNN. 2) Raw has ended at 11:05 ET/10:05 CT for almost a decade now. This is a little bit off-topic, but here goes. Back in the 70's when I was in the military, I worked at an AFRTS TV station in Germany. We'd get kinescoped sporting events about a week after they took place. I was in the control room one weekend afternoon while we were running a week-old baseball game, when the board-op turns to me and says: "Bet you 5 bucks the Yankees win." The game is a week old, everybody who knows anything about baseball knows how this game turned out. "Sure, I'll take that bet", says I. Easiest lunch money I ever made. OK, your first mistake was to think of "American Ninja Warrior" as a sport of some kind. It's not. It is an entertainment program. Basically a game show. It is NOT a sporting event. Secondly, entertainment shows have a host of some sort. Lastly, being an entertainment show, it's EDITED for time and content. Of course. This is nothing like watching a taped NFL game, which is what the title of this thread implies. No, I don't waste time watching a taped sports event (as shown on some sports channels at times). I do recall that NHK World would show NFL games in Japan - a single Sunday game on Monday night. It was taped and edited and lasted only 90 minutes. Those I watched! "If you think 'American Ninja Warrior' is bad on tape, how about the last Olympics coverage for the West Coast?"

Yeah, and there wasn't a wildfeed to be found, either! (At least not that I could find with my dish/receiver, anyways. Probably all on C-band....) LOCAL QUIZ AND GAME SHOWS WSB Atlanta has High Q which will soon start it's 26th year. Two teams of 4 High School students match wits to see which is the smartest. This goes on for 31 weeks and moves through semi-finals and finals. At the finale, I think each winning team player gets a $2000 scholarship. I believe the 2nd place team gets something also. The best games are the ones where the schools are pretty much evenly matched. Sometimes though it's a runaway, slam dunk for one team over the other. WSB puts on a slick presentation which even Jeopardy would be proud of. This is the only local game show in the Atlanta area. WREG in Memphis has Knowledge Bowl, which is similar. WTHR/Indianapolis has Brain Game, which can in no way compete with Jeopardy! for production value. Similar concept to what Gregg described, I'm not sure how long the season lasts, the program runs 52 weeks. Our local cable access channel (which airs in both the Phoenix and Tucson metro areas) had "Brainstorm", in which three panels of three high school students competed. The show went off the air a couple years ago, probably due to sponsorship. One less real program on an infomercial-filled channel. Miami: In the spring of 1962, Jack Barry (of Joker's Wild fame) hosted "Hole in One," a game which featured a putting machine, on Ch 10. I sure wish I knew more about this show, as I watched it as a 3-year-old....but the Web has no info of it outside of an old Billboard magazine, from which i got the above info. Would the Barry estate maybe have info? Any help would be appreciated, even just a promo photo. Ch 51 WKID had a weekly late-night entry, possibly in 1973, called "Sport vs. Spouse", where the husband/wife would wager on whether his/her spouse would know the answer to a sports-related question. A perfectly played game would maybe net ya $94. Seriously. (I will not count "Bowling for Dollars" or "Dialing for Dollars," since they were franchised.) The slickest one is currently running, and can be viewed online: WBEC-TV's "School Duel," basically a tweaking of "College Bowl." A champion school was crowned a couple of months ago, but I think it can be viewed either at www.becon.tv or www.schoolduel.tv ---It's possible that School Duel & Hi-Q are played exactly the same. I am sure there were more, but I cannot think of any now. BTW....he is an interesting one shown on a cable TV outfit in NC. You can view it: http://boone.sqrambledscuares.biz/ (not a typo)

cd WGBY/57 the PBS station in Springfield, Mass has As Schools Match Wits. It's been on Channel 57 for a few years. It got its start back in the late 50s on WWLP the NBC affiliate in town until switching to WGBY. In fact the creator of that show just passed away recently. WDIV/4 in Detroit for many years produced a local game show that was connected with the Michigan Lottery, and for a period of time was hosted by weatherman Chuck Gaidica. One of the games was called Megabucks Giveaway. WPSU/3, the PBS station in State College/Altoona, Pennsylvania has long produced a game show called The Pennsylvania Game, which tests contestants' knowledge of Pennsylvania history. I am not sure if new episodes are still produced. The Pennsylvania Game has aired on various PBS stations throughout Pennsylvania over the years, although I can't say it still airs on WQLN in Erie. Another one: WKID ch 51 (see my above post) had "Telebingo," later spelled "Telybingo", maybe 1974ish. It was a 1-hour game show, which one would play at home, and try to get a bingo in the way the hostess explained to get it (like "letter H" or maybe "four corners"). It began on a station in Chattanooga TN which I think was WRIP ch 61. I think 61's was called "TV Bingo." I am almost sure that ch 5 (maybe ch 12) in West Palm Beach had a TV bingo show in the late 60s as well, but I forget how it went. And I believe it was 30 minutes. cd On KCBS-TV here in L.A. we had "Kidquiz" hosted by KCBS weatherman Maclovio Perez that aired early Saturday mornings from the early 1980s until about the mid-1990s. The show featured two Southern California high schools basically competing in a college bowl type tournament. I think most major and medium markets had those high school quiz shows. I know there was one serving W. Oregon and S.W. Washington based in Portland that may still be airing. I vote for bringing these back. They are entertaining, promote school rivalry, and most importantly, promote learning. Good public service programming that never should have gone away. CBS powerhouse WRAL-TV in Raleigh has had "Brain Game" on-air for at least ten years, with Ralwigh-Durham-Fayetteville area high schools competing in a bracket during the traditional school year. Chief meteorologist Greg Fishel hosted this for many year, until former reporter/ traffic guy Mark Roberts too over maybe five years ago or so. "I know there was one serving W. Oregon and S.W. Washington based in Portland that may still be airing." "High Five Challenge"; host was Wayne Faligowsky; sponsorship by Smith's Home Furnishings (defunkt) and later Hollywood Video (also now defunkt). It began on KPTV in 1993 and remained there until 2002, then OPB for at least a season, then to KPDX. The web page says it is running on KPDX on Sundays at 1230, but their most recent schedule is for the 2008-2009 period. I don't believe it's running any more; I haven't seen any on-air promotion for the show in quite a while. A group of my fellow Evergreen Plainsmen competed on High Five in either 2000 or 2001. Yours Truly was also asked to be on the team, but I declined for reasons I don't recall. In Pittsburgh we have Hometown High-Q on KDKA-TV, hosted by KD news personality

Ken Rice for the past decade. It was preceded by Junior High Quiz, hosted by Ricki Wertz, which ran on WTAE-TV through the 60's and up in to the late 70's. If you want to go 'way back, there are a couple of local shows which made it to the networks, both out of Los Angeles (KTLA, if I'm not mistaken). "Seven Keys" debuted locally in LA in 1960, was picked up by ABC in 1961, and following its cancellation in 1964 returned to KTLA until early 1965. Jack Narz, AFAIK, hosted all the way. Jack Barry hosted a local version of "You Don't Say!" beginning in November 1962, but when NBC picked it up in 1963 Tom Kennedy became host and will forever be associated with it and the '70s version of "Name That Tune." "Queen For A Day" aired on several West Coast stations in the early '50s, even while Mutual carried it on radio. NBC picked it up for national television in 1956; the show moved to ABC in 1960 and ran until 1964. Two entries: - It's Academic, a high school quiz show has been running on WRC in Washington since 1961 (it's in the Guiness Book for the longest running quiz show) - Tribune's WGNO in New Orleans developed a local quiz show "N.O. It Alls". it was franchised out to other areas (I know I have a Texas Know It Alls on tape). J A local version of It's Academic ran on WRCV-TV/KYW-TV in Philadelphia. Nashville's WNAB-58 (CW) has a seasonal high school competition called "Quizbusters". WEWS/5 in Cleveland has had "Academic Challenge" for decades. I believe it's a derivative of the "It's Academic" franchise. It runs on Saturday evenings, and is generally hosted by one of the station's weather forecasters. As such, Don Webster hosted it for much of its early run, and weekend weather anchor Jason Nicholas hosts it now. For countless years until the early '90s, WYES (New Orleans) had "Varsity Quiz Bowl", hosted by the late Mel Leavitt and later former WDSU weatherman Dan Milham. Though mostly N.O. area high schools were on there, so were a few from the Mississippi Gulf Coast since WYES is seen on cable there along with Mississippi Public Broadcasting. Here in Alaska, I remember "Ask An Alaskan" from KYUK Bethel in the mid-'80s which was broadcast statewide on fellow PBS stations KUAC, KAKM, and KTOO. NFL Team Flagship Station Changes Thread Now that the NFL lockout is over & preseason is here, which teams changed the flagship station for their preseason and/or night games? Here in Denver, the Broncos dumped KCNC 4 even though it's a CBS O&O & they of course has the regular season rights to most Broncos games this season via CBS in lieu of NBC affiliate KUSA

9 My guess as to why this was is KUSA sister station KTVD 20 carried all the night games last year KUSA 9 uses the Logan/Griese radio team for PBP. For graphics, they do what KARE 11 does with Vikings games & use a customized version of the NBC SNF graphics So, what other changes were made by other teams? Cheers Cheesy In Atlanta, the Falcons are now on WGCL, after several years on WXIA (I believe some of the games were farmed to WATL during Olympic time). WXIA, too, used a variant of the NBC NFL graphics for their telecasts. WGCL is using the 2006-08 NFL on CBS graphics for Falcons telecasts. In Washington, it seems like the Redskins change OTA flagships each year; last year, I believe they were on WRC, and in years previous, they were on WUSA. This season, WJLA is the lucky target. The production is handled by Comcast SportsNet Washington, has it's been for the last several years. The Lions are on WXYZ, after the last 3-4 seasons on WWJ-TV (and sister station WKBD for many years before that). It looks like NFL Network is producing their games, or at least using the NFLN graphics. ...tho not dealing with a flagship station per se, I just moved to the Antelope Valley, and was rather surprised to see KTLA/v5 Los Angeles running Oakland Raiders games from KTVU/v2 Oakland this pre-season. I thought this was AFC Charger/NFC 49ers territory. Has this been going on since the Raiders moved back to Oakland, or is it a relatively recent development since Mayor Villaraigosa's pushing for a new football stadiom in L.A.?... Cardinal games have been on KNXV for years. The team handles production with graphics that, well, look like the current Cards image (Gotham, etc.). But they may constitute the bulkiest top sports bar on TV. Low and thick is how it was built. STL Rams preseason games were on KTTV until just a few years ago. A lot of stations would pick up preseason games of far away teams with players from their area. The Browns have reached quite a stable situation with Gannett NBC affiliate WKYC/3, which has held the preseason rights for 3-4 years or so. Channel 3 quickly took over after the previous rightsholder - Raycom CBS affiliate WOIO/19 angered Browns owner Randy Lerner by airing the audio of a 911 call made by a relative of his, in a very sensitive family situation (the tragic death of a young family member). WOIO's "19 Action News" is known for its flash and dash...and that cost them in this case. WKYC has had the rights ever since. The Browns had no cable/satellite night games last year (happens when you stink), but those games are bought separately from the preseason package. The games have aired locally on stations like Local TV Fox affiliate WJW/8 and Raycom's sister station to WOIO, MyNetwork TV affiliate WUAB/43. One year, WJW aired a Browns game instead of a Major League Baseball playoff game...the MLB game got bumped to WUAB by Fox (Fox owns WUAB's network, MyNetwork TV).

Well now it not only appears that the Broncos have a new flagship station (Going to KUSA 9 from CBS O&O KCNC 4) but they also have a new booth team in Verne Lundquist (Yes THAT Verne Lundquist) & KKFN-FM 104.3 personality Alfred Williams Not sure who, if anybody at all, is working the sidelines though (Will post back here once I find out) nor am I sure why they didn't work the game in Dallas (I think the lack of a TV crew last week is likely the reason why NFL Network went with the Cowboys feed instead) Cheers Cheesy In Washington, it seems like the Redskins change OTA flagships each year; last year, I believe they were on WRC, and in years previous, they were on WUSA. This season, WJLA is the lucky target. The production is handled by Comcast SportsNet Washington, has it's been for the last several years. Is Snyder still pulling that stupid arrangement where CSN gets the game in HD, while antenna and basic viewers are stuck watching the game in SD on WJLA? If there's any reason that guy should be hated for owning the Redskins (among the many already out there), that's definitely one of them. Meanwhile, besides adding WAOW in Wausau's full-power satellite WMOW in Crandon to the network, the Packer Television Network remains the same as it has since 2000; WFRV/WJMN in Green Bay originates via a NFL on CBS team with Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon, while WTMJ in Milwaukee and Quincy's Wisconsin ABC affiliates air it to the rest of the state. Could not re-edit, but actually WRC does still have the Redskins, while WJLA airs Ravens preseason games in the Washington area. And yes, they still have the idiotic "OTA in SD" penalty for antenna viewers this year. You are correctly, I got confused...and I should have known when I was watching the Redskins game rebroadcast on NFL Network over the weekend, they had a promotion for WRC's weathercasts. NFL Network almost always takes the home team feed, that's why they took the Dallas feed. Perhaps Lundquist (who lives in Colorado) is only working home games. How many stations still call their late editions "updates"? Living in Tampa Bay with relatives in Michigan, I always found it weird that WXYZ called their 11PM news "Action News Update", as the word "update" was more synonymous with short-form news briefs and promos for the 11PM news. That's a good point! I kind of found that weird myself. Maybe their use of "update" in the title (as w/WFAA and WFTV) was as sort of a corollary to the 6:00 report, a recap if you will. WFAA in Dallas still does that to this day, and WXYZ did back in 1987 (as did WFTV in 1983). Outside of those, do you know of any others? Yeah it's "update" in the sense that they are giving you a fresher, hotter, more steaming version of the news that they gave you at 6. That sounds more "professional" than 6:00News Rewind at 11:00 or 6:00Rehash. An 11 PM "update" would truly be a five-minute newscast from a network affiliate that doesn't have the wherewithal to afford a fully-staffed newscast (followed by a syndicated program at 11:05 PM, then Letterman, Leno or whatever at 11:35 PM).

This was big in the 80s in the Bay Area...I recall "NewsCenter 4 Update" and "Eyewitness News Nightcast" but that ended years ago. Other than "Eyewitness" on KPIX, nobody names their newscasts anymore, either. I think the idea was that the late news would have "updated" stories from 5 or 6:00. (not just repeating the same story). The trend was big in the late 80's and early 90's, but I don't see too many doing it today. "Nightcast", "Nightside", "Night edition", or other names using the word "update" probably still exist, but the trend today is to brand your news under one main, strong umbrella name. "News7", "Channel2News", "Newschannel8", or putting your channel after the network affiliation, "NBC5", "CBS2", etc. Some are even dropping the channel number completely, though I question that. WWL-TV in New Orleans ("Eyewitness News") still calls their 10pm newscast "Nightwatch" but in recent years, any promotion of stories on that cast usually says "Tonight at 10". I can't even imagine WFAA without the "News 8 Update" at 10; they've been using it since the '70s and I'm sure it's ingrained among Metroplex viewers. One I do see occasionally is "Tonight"; WFMY has "News 2 Tonight," and I think sister station WXIA has "11 Alive News Tonight" (although I may be wrong on that one; they at least did at one time). Some others I've heard of: "Nightbeat," "Nightcast," "Late Edition." KATIE COURIC ABC/DISNEY SYNDICATED TALK DEAL MAY BE ANNOUNCED MONDAY Monday might be the announcement for Katie according to the Wall Steet Jounal. http://daytimeconfidential.zap2it.com/2011/06/03/katie-couric-talk-show-deal-to-be-announcedmonday Will they put her in Oprahs former time slot? Although many O/O's will have a newscast put in that place already. Could be. I thought they were axing general hospital to give an hour back to local tv stations. In KC she won't be on 4pm because Dr. OZ will be on at that time and Phil is on at 3pm. Since Regis Philbin (whose show is also syndicated by the Mouse) is retiring at the end of this year, meaning the end of Live with Regis and Kelly, could the Katie Couric program be his intended replacement? It doesn't necessarily mean she'd be on the ABC affiliate in every city; Regis & Kelly, and "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire," are not, and Disney syndicates those. So stations like WSB and KSAT, which are ABC affiliates but not o&os and have started 4 PM newscasts, wouldn't necessarily be interested in Katie's show unless either (a) she replaces Regis & Kelly at 9 AM, or (b) ABC cancels "General Hospital" and gives 3 PM back to the affiliates. As far as the o&os are concerned, if Regis is replaced by another male host and the show continues, they may push to get 3 PM for Katie. I'm not going to make a premature prediction.

It doesn't necessarily mean she'd be on the ABC affiliate in every city; I thought the Katie deal was with ABC as in network, not Disney-ABC Domestic Television (which distributes Live with R&K, and Millionaire, and used to distribute Wayne Brady/Tony Danza). But upon reading this article, it seems it will be syndicated. Since Regis Philbin (whose show is also syndicated by the Mouse) is retiring at the end of this year, meaning the end of Live with Regis and Kelly, could the Katie Couric program be his intended replacement? I don't think they will axe Live. Kelly could be paired with any number of celebrities, such as Christian Slater (who co-hosted while Regis was out). Look at NBC that is keeping The Office without Carell. My guess: All Eastern (relevant esp. to WABC, WPVI): 2pm: GH moves to 2pm eastern making the OLTL replacement a temp, or GH gets cancelled as well, 3pm for Katie 4pm free to local stations (in some markets: newscasts). If WABC's 4pm newscast doesn't stick, WABC could just move Millionaire to 4pm, and air 2 episodes, or Rachael Ray to 4, or Katie at 4 (but delayed, dependent if her show is live or not, and the time it is for). I think WPVI should have no problem with its 4pm newscast. I can't imagine ABC starting these 4pm newscasts for it stations, WABC and WPVI, to cancel them for Katie in a year, if Katie is live at 4. Your guess is also relevant to WTVD since it also started a 4 PM newscast the day after Oprah's last show and is an ABC o&o. I'll be interested in seeing how the station's 4 PM news does against "The Young And The Restless" on WRAL, given that "Y&R" consistently beat Oprah in Raleigh/ Durham. I suppose former "Oprah" stations would do better with news, much less Katie Couric anchoring the news. Regarding the speculation on time and what would go to make room for Katie: I've read speculation that GH would be cancelled, and I've also read articles that ABC wouldn't cancel its last soap. In the article that said GH would not be cancelled, the speculation was that ABC would give one hour of programming back to its affiliates in the hopes that many of them would pick up Katie. If that's the case, look for one of the new talk shows replacing the soaps at 1 pm and 2pm to be only temporary. ABC would give one of those hours back to affiliates and hope they'd pick up Katie. This could still mean some time shifting of schedules. Stations have some freedom to shift ABC's daytime schedule, don't they, as long as they air all of the programs? You could see GH shifted in some markets.

She gets the 3PM slot in September 2012 which ABC is giving back to the affiliates. http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/abc-announces-deal-with-katie-couric/ So from what I see now "General Hospital" may be gone in September 2012 since the General Hospital time slot is 3:00 Eastern/2:00 Central unless they find a place in the morning to put it which I doubt they would. And by the way since Katie is now on ABC I would imagine that the radar to replace Barbara Walters on The View once she retires or worse with Katie will grow even further if Katie's talk show fails to deliver. She's more fit to step in and do interviews with celebrities than she does giving hard news. So, I'm guessing this will lead up to be the third major network Couric works for. That just leaves FOX out of the four major networks, unless I miss something she did over there. I just find this interesting. ABC: We're giving 3PM back to the affiliates, but we strongly suggest they carry this show. ...........and I bet at least 95% will. What, no Married With Children at 3PM, bummer (kidding)? Yes, but in some markets, I'm sure ABC's domestic arm might pitch it to other affiliates. For example, ABC would rather Hearst's WBAL (NBC) to pick up Katie at 3, than WMAR 2 (ABC) in Baltimore, although WBAL already is a hogger with Dr. Oz and Ellen. Perhaps going the ABC Domestic route also makes it easier for syndication for international purposes as well. I noticed that it basically says that Katie has signed with ABC for anything that comes her way even before her talk show hits the air and afterwards. I look for Katie to do more than her talk show like subbing for Diane Sawyer on World News Tonight, subbing for Christine Amanpour on This Week, subbing for Barbara Walters on The View, being on 20/20, etc. Which means the following: Since ABC is giving the 3:00 Eastern/2:00 Central time slot back to the affiliates and putting Katie's talk show there, I see the cancellation of General Hospital on the horizon unless like I said they move GH to the mornings. And I can't see a non-ABC affiliate picking up the show even though it's syndicated but it has to run on ABC affiliates. The imminent replacement of Barbara Walters on The View with Katie if the talk show doesn't get the ratings. Diane Sawyer gets the boot and Katie gets the World News Tonight job or Christine Amanpour gets the boot and Katie gets the This Week job. Well now that ABC affiliate KMGH 7 gave CBS O&O KCNC 4 a Post-Oprah GIFT by moving it's 4:00 PM newscast back an hour & cutting it half in lieu of a SECOND airing of Inside Edition & moving Dr. Oz to 4:00 PM (I know.....I'm scratching my head over that one too), they LITERALLY have no choice BUT to carry Katie's new show Obviously someone at KMGH misread (Or FAILED TO) read the ABC affiiliates memo about All My Children & One Life To Live or they wouldn't have made the move they did As it is now, they not only have the 12:00 Noon hour to program (11:00 AM if they move the news to 12:00 Noon) & 2:00 PM (General Hospital will move back to 1:00 PM if news is moved to 12:00

Noon) but they now have the daunting task of programming the 3:00 PM hour as well (Katie will air at 2:00 PM once One Life To Live leaves the air) Any other affiliates making BONEHEADED kneejerk moves like KMGH did out there (Be it to accomondate Katie or otherwise)? Cheers Cheesy First, I don't see "GH" going to the morning; unlike the situation on CBS where some o&os and affiliates carry "Let's Make A Deal" at 9 or 10 AM, the ABC o&os (WLS being an exception) have Regis And Kelly at 9; WABC, WPVI, and WTVD carry Rachael Ray at 10, and I don't see those stations making any changes unless Regis' retirement brings that show to an end. Then, possibly, ABC gives its o&os and affiliates the choice of times to carry "GH"--but I think that's the only chance "GH" has of getting on in the morning. Second, a non-ABC affiliate is not precluded from carrying Katie's show outside the o&o markets...or even within them if the ABC station turns her down, as WLS does Regis and Kelly and KABC does "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire." Katie definitely does not get "World News Tonight" after what happened at CBS; she might be OK on "This Week" (Christiane Amanpour has been something of a disappointment), and "The View" would be made to order for her. GH isn't going to mornings, period. If one of the new talk shows bombs, it could slide back and be a short-term replacement, but little more. I'd have to agree; what I proposed is a very longshot scenario. If ABC does cancel "GH" it won't be back; after all the sets and costumes have been sent wherever, and the actors have secured other jobs (we hope), getting them back together would be out of the question (you don't see "As The World Turns" or "Guiding Light" coming back, do you?). It's much easier to revive a game show, but I don't see that happening either. I'll guess GH moves to 2, and the two announced shows are given half hour slots, or the OLTL replacement never materializes, or is reserved for one of the ABC cable networks. If ABC were to move GH to 10am, it's basically setting it up to be cancelled, and they might as well cancel it. Perhaps the intent is to cancel it, and ABC is just saving face by not having all of its soaps cancelled in one fell swoop. It would also interfere with Rachael Ray, and I'm guessing WABC, WPVI and WTVD will still want to keep her on their lineups. I think even moving it to 2pm might affect its audiences as well though. I remember hearing that high school kids would watch it back in the day, but most anyways, get home before 3pm. I'm not sure if that age group is still interested in GH, given that the internet, the smartphone, dvrs, and access to many cable networks etc. provide more entertainment. If the idea is for a 2pm soap, ABC might as well merge the GH and OLTL storylines, most popular cast members to one soap if possible. The new shows will be an hour long. That isn't going to change. Nor is ABC taking back the 10 am hour. So that pretty much makes it clear what the odds are for GH. The prognosis is bleak. She gets the 3PM slot in September 2012 which ABC is giving back to the affiliates... I still say that the O&O's are going to be forced at gunpoint (figuratively speaking) to carry Couric at

3 PM. Katie Couric to ABC daytime, with a role at ABC News? TMZ and other outlets are reporting that Katie Couric's post-CBS home might be at ABC for an alleged $20 million deal that includes a daytime talk show and specials for ABC News. http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/04/katie-couric-abc-deal-20-million-cbs-soap-opera-general-hospitalmatt-lauer-news-syndicated-show-money-contract/print http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/05/couric-talk-show-bump-general-hospital/ So it sounds like "General Hospital" goes. If that's true, there's a bit of irony there; ABC was the last network to put a soap in its daytime schedule. Its first was "GH" (1963), and now it seems ready to be the first network to dump all its soaps--the last one being "GH". I would think that GH stays, and Couric might be taking one of the slots being vacated by the departures of All My Children and One Life to Live. They never did specifically mention (at least to my knowledge) what type of talk show is being coupled with the cooking-type show that's scheduled to debut. By the way, General Hospital is ABC's longest-running show, entertainment or otherwise (and the fourth-longest running program currently running--behind NBC's Meet the Press, Today Show, and Tonight Show). ABC said that the shows replacing "AMC" and "OLTL" were "The Chew" (the cooking show) and "The Revolution" (a makeover show); the former is scheduled to debut in September; the latter, in January. And you could argue that "General Hospital" is the fifth-longest-running series; "Face The Nation" has been on since 1954, although there was a period in 1962 when CBS substituted a program called "Washington Conversation," so I suppose "GH" is the fourth-longest continuously-running show. Which will get worse ratings: NBC affiliates' 11 PM news following "The Jay Leno Show," or ABC affiliates' new post-Oprah 4 PM newscast following "The Katie Couric Show"? Will Katie Couric appear as a 20/20 correspondent doing specials that resembe the Barbara Walters specials. But KGO still has 7live prior to the 4pm news does this mean that 7live goes away for Couric? If 7Live airs at 3 PM (PT), no problem; Katie would be on at 2. I originally didn't see this as a GH replacement. But for a high profile person like Katie Couric (and at a $20 Million) ABC would more likely slot her to a 3pm slot than a 1pm or 2pm slot Eastern Time. Maybe GH could be preserved by moving up an hour. However, that would likely affect the GH audience, and ultimately kill it off anyways as well. 3pm is the new 4pm, and ABC at 4pm will likely stick with the local newscasts. I think WPVI will likely do well with its 4pm newscast. I'm not sure with WABC, but I'd think so too.

The other options are 9am and 10am, however, Kelly will likely get a new co-host, and the ABC station group would probably like to keep syndicated Rachael Ray atleast on WABC and WPVI. In LA and SFO, Rachael Ray is on the CBS affiliates. It'd be interesting if RR would ever switch to all CBS O&Os, or if the ABC group could extend her to all of its O&Os in a market with both an ABC and CBS O&O. In Chicago, she is on WGN. Katie could go to 9am on ABC and they could bill it as a "third hour" of GMA! Cheesy Then she will need a Co-host then. Dr. oz is also coming to ABC to replace Oprah soon. Wait a minute! Dr. Oz has a syndicated show right now. Are you saying that show won't be on anymore? Also, a third hour of GMA would pre-empt Live With Regis And Kelly on WQAD in the Quad Cities... ...Kelly [Ripa] will likely get a new co-host, and the ABC station group would probably like to keep syndicated Rachael Ray at least on WABC and WPVI. In LA and SFO, Rachael Ray is on the CBS affiliates. It'd be interesting if RR would ever switch to all CBS O&Os, or if the ABC group could extend her to all of its O&Os in a market with both an ABC and CBS O&O. In Chicago, she is on WGN. "Live With (Insert Regis' Replacement Here) & Kelly" also airs on WGN-TV, as does Rachael Ray. I'm just increasingly convinced that ABC is trying to go to an all-talk and reality daytime lineup, and that means getting rid of its last remaining soap. Daytime president Brian Frons says that the cancellations of "AMC" and "OLTL" were based on research showing that lifestyle shows are the only ones to have made ratings gains in daytime in recent years; further, the soap audience is dwindling and the ratings no longer justify the production costs. Contrast that with CBS; yes, they dumped "GL" and "ATWT" but the network's audience is older, and "Y&R" and "B&B" seem safe for the indefinite future as both consistently maintain ratings of 2 or better, which is not bad in this day and age (heck, CBS is the only network with game shows!). Right know Dr. Oz is on NBC and will be moving to ABC. @mgsports: You mean, the syndicated "Dr. Oz" program will be moving from the NBC affiliate in your neck of the woods, to the ABC affiliate there, correct? A completely different animal than ABC replacing network daytime programming... @bpatrick: It's eventually going to get to a point where "Y&R" and "B&B" are going to finish Nos. 1 and 2 by default, because they'll probably be the only soaps left at that point! Antenna TV having trouble getting affiliates? After being on the air almost 6 months, I still see very few affiliates for Antenna TV outside of the Tribune/Local TV affiliates, which all picked up the network by default since it's a Tribune network. What is their problem? MeTV launched around the same time and they have signed a ton of affiliates that are launching on a regular basis. To add, except for 3? of their affiliates, none are owned by Weigel. What is the issue with Antenna? MeTV is more appealing, perhaps? It is to me, but there are a few shows on Ant. I would like to see. MeTV's owner, Weigel, does have more experience with digital TV, so maybe they know how to get affiliates better? Me-TV has surely won round one. They actually had another company, MGM helping them though. I guess Antenna is on their own. I thought they would have announced some affiliates by now also.

Perhaps Antenna was overwhelmed with the start-up and is just now able to look for stations, let's hope that is the case. There are some shows on Antenna that I would like to see which are not on Me-TV. Me-TV has some schedule issues. I would think twice about airing Dick Van Dyke in primetime. They air it twice in primetime! I'd rather see something like Mary Tyler Moore twice instead of Dick. They have MASH at 7, 7:30 and 10PM. Surely with their large library that is not necessary. Tribune has Sony helping them. Sony owns the Columbia Pictures Film Library & Columbia Television Library so all tv shows & movies are all Columbia. Me-TV can't show any of those TV Shows just like Antenna TV can't show any of Me-TV shows since they are all MGM owned TV Shows. I know Tribune has Sony, but in the Me-TV case MGM was actually making phone calls and having meetings with the station groups, etc. Other than using their library, I'm not sure Sony is doing anything like that for Antenna. They air Dick Van Dyke twice in primetime? According to their site it just airs at 8:30pm. I think the 10pm MASH episode could be done away with. Sony isn't distributing Antenna TV, though. That's just who they have a library deal with. MGM is helping distribute/shop MeTV around. MeTV's programming comes from CBS and 20th, nobody else. Sister network THIS gets some stuff from MGM, though. Tribune hasn't done a great job with WGN America or WGN-AM, so I hope they don't mess Antenna TV up. Ok, I see where that is coming from. I think WPCH has the CHEERS rights in Atlanta, so WSB is airing another Dick Van Dyke episode instead. This appears to be the only Me-TV substitute on WSB. So, it's confusing. MASH can air on multiple channels, but CHEERS can't. For whatever reason, MeTV in Milwaukee pre-empts Petticoat Junction and My Three Sons from 78AM CST and airs Roseanne instead. I think if another local channel has rights to a show, they allow pre-emption. I'm guessing in most cases they can pre-empt with just another MeTV show like they are in Atlanta. I guess it depends on the show's contract There's a question of how much appetite for retro TV there is in the digital space. In all the markets based in Indiana (Indy, South Bend, Ft. Wayne, Evansville, Terre Haute) there are no RTV affiliates, 1 Anntenna (owned by Tribune), 1 Me (owned by Weigel), and 4 This TV affiliates. And that counts the simulcast of WTTV and WTTK twice. So what are the chances of Antenna adding affiliates in those five markets? I wonder if these shows have local exclusivity agreements? Most of AntennnaTV also appears on Me-Too, which seems ridiculous to duplicate so much. Also remember Tribune is in the midst of a vicious bankruptcy. The outcome is far from certain so the "powers that be" are probably much more interested in that, than promoting something that may or may not be with them in a year's time. As great as I thought the Antenna TV concept was, when I first heard about Tribune launching it, I thought that was the last thing they needed to be getting in to given their current situation.

Perhaps if Antenna TV gets in trouble, Weigel would be interested in buying it? Who knows. I'm not sure about exclusivity - I mean, what local channels are airing Gunsmoke or Dick Van Dyke, so it's hard to really know. Re: RTV, like I said in another thread, I think they are going to become less and less relevant unless they change their ways. I look for them to eventually be on mostly lower power stations after MeTV and (hopefully) Antenna TV become more relevant. I dont see any Antenna TV here in Tallahassee Florida (north florida area) the only Antenna TV affiliates is in Miami. None in Orlando,Tampa+St.Petersurg and Jacksonville,Tallahassee even the Fla Pandanle. We do have a Me-TV network here in Tallahassee Florida on FOX 49 WTLH on (49.3) My best guess is for Antenna TV is on ABC-27 HD WTXL-DT(27.3) but nothing happening to add them here in Tallahassee. How much does it cost a TV station to become an affiliate? In the Cleveland Ohio area we have Antenna TV on the HD2 of the Fox affiliate, and RTN is on an independent low power analog station. Actually, it kind of sucks to have a multitude of "oldies" TV networks because nobody can have a big library of good things as stuff is spread out over the different networks. So, each individual network keeps running the same things over and over. WKMG maybe Antenna TV. WESH replaces it's Weather Plus Channel this month with METV. Sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote. MGM needs to be persistent in finding a stronger affiliate of MeTV for Sacramento, California. Currently it is on a Sacramento LPTV (KCSO-LP 33.2) that is only accessable by OTA only in Sacramento only since the signal isn't strong enough to go out of the City Of Sacramento. I live in nearby Stockton and it is not on my Cable System or Satellite Providers. Same for RTV which is on a Sacramento LPTV. Only Antenna TV is available on a Full Powered Tribune owned KTXL-40.2. I thought that Antenna TV's Fresno, California affiliate is a LPTV? KGMC 43.5 is a full-power tv station. I do like Antenna TV's lineup. Keep in mind that most of their shows air on cable over and over again. Maybe adding a few shows like "Benson" (which is not on cable) could help. In Columbia, SC, WOLO's secondary channel is MeTV. MeTV is a great channel and is better than RTV. I can't compare Antenna TV because I have not seen it. Here are some of the shows Antenna TV has that Me-TV does not (many of these are seen on MeToo though, which is not a national network). Benny Hill, Father Knows Best, Dennis The Menace, Flying Nun, Gidget, Hazel, Here Come The Brides, Maude, Monkees, Partridge Family, Soap, Too Close For Comfort, Burns & Allen, etc. These shows are seen everywhere ++++ on Antenna: Sanford & Son, Married With Children, Mad About You, Good Times, All In The Family. If I were them, I would ditch these over-played shows SEEN EVERYWHERE and replace them with some rarely seen or not seen often................................... News Radio, Just Shoot Me, Police Woman, That's My Mama, Designing Women, Larry Sanders

Show, Barney Miller, Different Strokes, What's Happening, One Day At A Time, Facts Of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's The Boss, 227, Charlie's Angers, Family, etc. The only place Married With Children is seen is on TBS' very early morning lineup, so I can see them scheduling it, but the rest that you mention are already on TV Land (they had been airing The Nanny on ATV, also). Don't forget Three's Company, also on TV Land. I feel that MeTV has a stronger line-up, overall, but Antenna TV is good as well. I wish one of them had the Universal library that RTV has (IMO, one of the least impressive libraries there is, but there are some good shows). Some of the shows would fit well for variety purposes, but that is no library to base a network off of. I was thinking, the only major library left that no one has tapped in to is the Warner library. There are some goodies in there; Mama's Family, Alice, Gilligan's Island, etc. The Warner library would fit well on Antenna TV and the Universal library would fit well on MeTV. CMT was running Married With Children last Weekend of all places. Viacom shares their shows so much it's crazy. Scrubs airs on MTV and Comedy Central. Ridiculous 'Mad About You' is not really overplayed. About the only show that I care about on Antenna is 'Three's Company' which will be a classic for years imo, but still suitable that someone who didn't grow up watching it when it was on regular stations can enjoy it now. "All in the Family" is on that category as well. 'Too Close for Comfort' wasn't ever really great, and 'Maude' seems so antiquated. 'Gidget' and some of the others maybe okay to move to Me-TV. 'Monkees' and

'227' is on the Gospel Music Channel. 'NewsRadio' is on Reelz I think. 'Who's the Boss' used to be on Hallmark not to long ago, but could be brought over to Me-TV or Antenna TV, or even The Hub. Some of the later years of most 80s/90s shows such as 'Who's the Boss', 'Facts of Life' should be severed and destroyed. They were purely awful and ruin the syndication value of the beginning years. Hallmark lost rights to WTB. I don't mind 227 and NewsRadio as much since they are on networks that are not widespread like TV Land or TBS or something. Those channels are not as widely available. I don't get them. I, personally, don't care for a lot of the sitcoms Antenna is airing. I like MeTV's classics such as The Brady Bunch, Get Smart, I Love Lucy, Gomer Pyle, Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke, etc. over stuff like Father Knows Best, Burns and Allen, Gidget, Hazel, etc. MeTV also has some great dramas and no movies. The ones I do like, except for Maude, are already seen enough on other channels. Unless WSJV or WNDU would pick up Antenna TV in South Bend, then don't expect them to come to South Bend (Weigel Broadcasting will not in South Bend). WHME-TV doesn't have the money to carry that network, but also, some shows would not fit into their so-called family oriented programming. So even if they had the money to carry them, they would not. I can't speak about Terre Haute (though they have no ABC affiliate of their own), Evansville, or Fort Wayne. Tribune Company has the national rights while Weigel Broadcasting has the Chicago rights to the Sony library. So when Weigel Broadcasting decided to take MeTV national, they had to remove all the Sony shows from MeTV & move them to MeToo. So now MeToo is the Chicago MeTV, which is why there's so much overlap with Antenna TV. Weigel Broadcasting also has both the national &

Chicago rights to the CBS library. So Beverly Hillbillies is shown on MeToo (thought that would be on MeTV, but it isn't). Since Tribune has the national rights to the Sony Library, MeTV won't be carrying any of these shows. When MeTV was just in Chicago, they had the Sony sitcoms on MeTV & Sony dramas on MeToo. Now both comedy & drama are back on MeToo, & in Chicago, that's where the Sony shows will be. MeTV has the national rights to the CBS & 20th Century Fox libraries. Rumor has it that Antenna TV is looking to acquire shows from that library. So once the network is able to get themselves established enough, I expect Antenna TV to have the national rights to the Warner Brothers library. Threes Company to my knowledge was never shown on MeTV Chicago. I like that show. I grew up to Too Close For Comfort, The Fact of Life, & 227. Who's The Boss used to be on MeTV Chicago, but I believe that got moved to MeToo. Bewitched is on MeToo along with I Dream of Jeannie. Antenna TV wants to add I Dream of Jeannie, but Tribune can't get it, because they already carry it on WGN America, & supposedly, not available in national syndication right now. These shows are part of the Sony library. Bounce TV, which is a another new digital subchannel network, also has a contract for the Sony library, but they're only interested in shows that have a black cast, or lead characters that are black. So for now, Sanford & Son & Good Times are off limits to Bounce TV, due to Antenna TV having the national exclusive rights to the Sony shows. Gidget & The Monkees are in the Sony Library, & not allowed on MeTV. Same with Who's The Boss, which is seen on MeToo Chicago. I forgot which person likes it that MeTV doesn't have movies. The reason they don't have movies (other than when they air Svengoolie), is because they already have Movies on This TV. So there's no need to have movies on MeTV. Looks like Bounce TV is going to have their hands tied. What do they have left? I'm sure they're not gonna break out Amos And Andy. My impression is they will be more into movies than television shows. Thanks, Dave, for the insight. I was the one that mentioned movies on MeTV - I compare it a lot to TV Land from its launch in to the early 2000s, and they did not include any movies. I don't mind a couple a week, but not half of the schedule like on Antenna TV. Warner Brothers/Sony libraries on Antenna TV and CBS/20th/Universal on MeTV would be great. I'd love for MeTV to get the Universal library from RTV if they are not going to improve. It would supplement their programming well, but the lack of sitcoms is somewhat disappointing (the only ones I can think of are Leave It to Beaver, McHale's Navy, Bachelor Father, Amen, Kate & Allie). It has some decent dramas (Alfred Hitchcock, Marcus Welby, A-Team, Miami Vice, Emergency!). The rest, that I can think of, are blah. Not much for Airwolf reruns every night at 9pm. Like I said, Universal is probably the duller of the studio libraries. I would like to see shows like Webster added. I don't recall that ever being in syndication on any network. Others would be Benson, The Love Boat, Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons. These are examples of shows that are rarely seen. I'm guessing it must either be tough to get the rights to these or the networks don't think they would pull in ratings. That's why we see the same tired old shows over and over. "Webster" won't happen. The president of MeTV singled it out in an interview as an example of a show that was a ratings disaster in syndication.

The Love Boat is CBS, so we could see it on MeTV, maybe Silver Spoons, Diff'rent Strokes, and Benson are Sony, so we could see them on Antenna TV, maybe Yeah, Webster is CBS but will not be airing on MeTV. Funny, it aired on the local MeTV in Chicago for a time. Webster kind of goes in the same category as Blossom. MeTV has rights to Star Trek (60s) but they don't air it. I've wondered if they have the rights to Family Ties (CBS) or Newhart (20th)? I wonder if there are shows they are not airing? The Hub has Family Ties. Bouce TV is for baby's and Afciran Americans. The Hub is a cable network. That has no effect on the broadcast rights. One thing I like about Antenna TV is the fact they do not have a nagging "Station Logo Bug" at the corner of the screen. Plus no pop up ads for upcoming shows and the end credits are not sped up or squeezed in half so the other half tells you what show is next. Antenna TV really reminds me of UHF TV of the 1970's. I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen but what about "MeTV"? My guess that there is as their sister network, ThisTV, has a station logo bug. MeTV, RTV, and THIStv all have bugs. Some Antenna TV affiliates do, if the local station chooses to. I know Weigel has the Chicago rights to Family Ties & I believe might be on MeToo (was on MeTV Chicago when it was local). I believe Weigel also has the Chicago rights to Diff'rent Strokes & Silver Spoons, as they used to air those shows, & one of those 2 might be on MeToo. As for Webster, Weigel is showing that on WCIU 26.2, The U Too (so it's currently in syndication, but not on a national level). I've never seen The Love Boat on MeTV or on MeToo. I think Weigel has chosen to take a pass on that show. WSAH just picked up RTV again (effective 6/6), providing a second RTV affiliate in the NYC market. The other affiliate is WKOB-LD (a low power station with no cable carriage in the market). Well here in Denver, it's a matter of simply finding a place for MeTV more than anything that's keeping MeTV out of Denver With RTV on a standalone affiliate (KCDO 3) & Tribune/Local already carrying ThisTV on KWGN 2.2 & Antenna TV on KDVR 31.2 (Neither of which look very appealing to me) & CBS owning KCNC 4 (Which is still undecided on ever having subs to begin with), that only leaves three other places (Two of those with the same company) MeTV can go in Denver..... KMGH 7 (ABC) Not likely since they just added Cool TV as well their own NewsChannel 247 (Which had been just a Comcast thing) on top of their Latin sister station KZCO 27 (Azteca America) KUSA 9 (NBC) Possible although I'm sure NBC would much prefer they move Universal Sports (Which is currently a sub of KTVD 20) to KUSA 9 instead KTVD 20 The most likely place (Especially should NBC insist on Universal Sports being moved to KUSA 9) Just my opinion..... Thoughts?

Cheers Cheesy I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen RTV has no bug. I know this having watched standalone affiliate KCDO 3 a number of times enough to know The user referring to the "infomercial type commercials" may be referring to the 60-90 minute commercials that I call "abridged infomercials" for "As Seen On TV" items such as Swivel Sweeper, SlapChop, Shake Weight, Hercules Hook, Jupiter Jack, etc. Those are common on channels that aren't selling a ton of advertising; I guess they must be able to advertise cheaply. Yes, and I think you meant to say 60-90 second commercials. Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to... How are they EVER going to get new shows? Antenna has Sony, MeTV has 20th and CBS....most of the big libraries are now spoken for - I mean, you can only get by on Ironside, Airwolf, Kojak, McHale's Navy, I Spy, A-Team, Kate and Allie, Daniel Boone, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. for so long and they've been running these for 3 years. Universal is not a library you can really run a network from, like I've said several times. They are kind of tied there unless they could snag the Warner Bros library before someone else does. Remember, they actually had the CBS library until several years ago. That was when they were at their best. You can't run the same shows forever. I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better? The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition. Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes. They even took their Facebook page down! Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to... Snip..... Quote I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better? I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate People here don't care for "Spoon-Fed" TV stations (Never liked them on radio either). As such, LOCALIZATION IS A MUST !!!!! Why do you think the CW, MyNetwork TV & FOX affiliates run their morning newscasts till 9:00 AM ?? You also forget that KCDO 3 is also targeting a TOP 20 TV city in Denver. As such, they must act like "One Of The Big Boys" by having local programs in their schedule. A satellite-based spoon-fed national schedule aired in absolute pattern with ZERO room for local programming would almost be certain death for the station And then there's special programming. An example of this happened not tot long ago Just recently, KCDO 3 broadcast a debate involving the candidates running for Mayor of Denver (An event which was later rebroadcast on CET via Comcast Digital Channel 105) Besides, if KWGN 2 or KDVR 31 were to use time on either of their subs for local programming like

that, they'd have to seek permission from ThisTV or Antenna TV first (KWGN doesn't even do this for CW programming!). Why is this? Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't And even then, KWGN & KDVR would have to re-sync the sub by programming it with syndie fare right up to the start of the next program on ThisTV or Antenna TV (Assuming they even have that capability that is). KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV Quote The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition. Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes. What changes do you think they need to make? Do you really like watching SPOON FED TV stations or something? If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV. Instead it's nets like ThisTV & Antenna TV which program 24/7. RTV at least gives affiliates the ability to focus on LOCALIZATION, which as I said before, is A MUST in areas west of the Ohio River Quote They even took their Facebook page down! Now that move has me baffled Just my opinion..... Cheers Cheesy My local RTV affiliate is a subchannel. KCDO (who is no longer an RTV affiliate) is rare as it is a full power station, most of the RTV affiliates are on low power stations or subchannels. I don't get the need for different schedules unless it is a primary affiliation that might wish to pre-empt a lot of programming or something. Does it matter if Airwolf airs at 6pm or 8pm on most of their affiliates? It really baffles me as to why subchannels have localized schedules, but follow the same scheduling pattern (E/I 8-9am, Daytime 9-10am, RTV 10am-1am, infomercials 1am-8am) and air nothing local. Some Antenna TV and MeTV affiliates DO insert local programming (I believe WPIX or KTLA pre-empt an hour to re-run local news). I highly doubt many, if any subchannel affiliates are developing true local programming for the station. I don't really see how a channel running MeTV, Antenna TV, or THIS is really "spoon feeding"....I want to see what the network has to offer in its entirety I think the Facebook page might have been taken down because they received so much negative feedback and complaints about the same shows airing over and over. The changes I think RTV needs to make, like I keep saying, are: get new shows, develop promotions to further the branding of the network, and try to be more uniform (how can they promote anything on the network if each affiliate is airing the shows at different times?). They are losing too many of their affiliates. I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate KCDO isn't an RTV affiliate at all. Quote Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't RTV programs 24/7 except when they air infomercials overnight.

Quote KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV Absolutely, since it's not an affiliate. Quote If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV. How would you know? You don't have a local affiliate. - Trip Then either Wikipedia is wrong or I'm seeing things on KCDO (As are thousands of local cable & satellite subscribers) as [THEY ARE SHOWING RTV PROGRAMMING !!!!! Therefore, I know a little something on this thread Grin Cheers Cheesy Know New York has 2 RTV before KC ever gets one. What's the story on that? I know the old RTV in NYC was hard to pick up. I take it the new affiliate has a better signal and is easier to get. If they are both low power it would probably take 2 to cover most of metro NYC. Is Dr. Phil changing timeslots in your market? I checked out my facebook newsfeed & noticed that WCIU is moving Dr. Phil from 8pm CDT on 26.2 (U Too) to 9am on WCIU The U 26.1 (now will be in HD). WBBM-TV for now (main affiliate) will continue to carry the show at 3pm CDT. With this in mind; is any station in your market moving Dr. Phil to the timeslot held by Oprah Winfrey? Since Oprah airs on WLS-TV at 9am until Wednesday, neither WBBM-TV nor WCIU can air Dr. Phil at 9am. WLS-TV will continue to air Oprah at 11:05pm until September. In Chicago, I wouldn't be surprised if WCIU will eventually take Dr. Phil from WBBM-TV this fall. In Philadelphia, yes. KYW moves him to 4 PM on the 26th, as WPVI launches Action News at 4. Not sure about Phil, but in NYC, WNYW Fox 5 is moving Dr. Oz to the 4pm slot probably in hopes of picking up some of the Oprah viewers (Oprah currently airs at 4pm on WABC). In Los Angeles, I think Phil stays put at 4 on KCBS, which has been his timeslot since the show debuted (including the first few years when he was on KNBC). Back-to-back episodes of Judge Judy is the lead-in at 3pm, and with Oprah going away, KCBS should be able to win those two hours. http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do? sgt=list&fromTimeInMillis=1306386000000&stnNum=30821 shows best of Oprah on Thursday and Friday at 4pm and then on 30 just Oprah but Dr. OZ coming in September to KMBC at 4pm. Is right know on KSHB at 3pm. In Houston, KPRC (NBC) has been paying for the rights for the last two years, but hasn't been airing the show. Management said they weren't happy with the direction it had taken. Their contract is up next year and the show will move to KUBE, an independent that recently switched from Spanish to English. No love for Phil in Houston.

Dr. Phil has always been on WQAD in the Quad Cities since the beginning. However, WBQD has aired secondary repeats since Labor Day 2010... Besides Dr. Phil, Houston's KUBE-TV has also picked up "Rachel Ray" from KTBU, which is right now in the process to become MEGA-TV, as it becomes another station going from English to Spanish. MEGA-TV is owned by SBS Communications, which is based in Miami, and It is the company that has just bought KTBU from The Osteens. No plans in Raleigh. WRAL runs Dr. Phil at 9 AM and "Young And The Restless" at 4 PM, and will keep it that way. WTVD is replacing Oprah with a 4 PM edition of "ABC11 Eyewitness News" on the 26th. Y&R has usually beaten Oprah head-to-head and I think that will continue now. In Greensboro WXII runs Dr. Phil at 3 and Oprah at 4. They plan to rerun Oprah's final season over the summer, so no change there. What happens in September, I don't know yet, but Ellen on WFMY at 4 could emerge the big winner, depending on what Channel 12 does. In Atlanta Ellen stays at 4 and Dr. Phil at 5 on WXIA, while WSB replaces Oprah with a 4 PM edition of "Channel 2 Action News" on the 26th. Maybe WFMY should start scheduling a full hour of "Andy Griffith" at 4 PM. Roll Eyes KSAT-12 in San Antonio wants to get rid of Oprah very badly because starting Thursday she'll be replaced by News At 4 On Channel 12 at 4:00 PM and Inside Edition at 4:30 PM. No best of shows, no repeats of Oprah, just more news and an entertainment/gossip show. And as far as I know Dr. Phil is still staying at 3:00 PM on 12. I'm guessing in a way that San Antonio is trying to compete with Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, New York City, among others by having a couple of newscasts at 4:00 PM. I don't really see why because at 5:00 you probably will be getting the same news that you got at 4:00. Dr. Phil will be moving from WKMG to WOFL this fall. This will mean unless they purchase an HD recording server and HD Satellite and/or IPTV receiver which can receive syndicated programs on it won't be in HD like it was on WKMG (although it took them a couple of years after Dr. Phil went HD to actually transmit it in HD). WFTV/WRDQ will replace Oprah with Dr. Oz which currently airs WESH/WKCF Maybe WFMY should start scheduling a full hour of "Andy Griffith" at 4 PM. Roll Eyes They've already got him at 10 AM and 5:30 PM; of course, knowing the people in WFMY's coverage area, it just might work. Smiley Not sure about Phil, but in NYC, WNYW Fox 5 is moving Dr. Oz to the 4pm slot probably in hopes of picking up some of the Oprah viewers (Oprah currently airs at 4pm on WABC). KMGH 7 is doing the same thing (Though I have no idea what they're putting on in the doc's old 3:00 PM timeslot) Considering they own the rights to both Wheel Of Fortune & Joepardy which air at 6:00 PM & 6:30 PM retro-respectively & Inside Edition already airs in the morning at 9:30 AM after Who Wants To Be A Millionnaire, the only show they have left is Access Hollywood but that show is only 30 minutes long & won't cut the mustard at 3:00 PM

To make matters worse, the Xfinity guide is no help because they still show Dr. Oz as being on at 3:00 PM with news @ 4:00 PM. I'll tune in tomorrow & report back here tomorrow with what they're filling the doc's old timeslot with Cheers Cheesy I'd be surprised if KSAT is keeping Dr. Phil. We know this for sure? They're owned by the same co. -- Post-Newsweek -- that owns KPRC and WKMG, which are both dumping the show. KRON4 in San Francisco is moving him to 4pm starting May 30. KRON is an independent station. As KGO, ABC7 will have a 4pm newscast where Oprah used to be. I'm curious as to what WSBT South Bend Indiana plan to do with the timeslot that Oprah occupies on both WSBT 22.1 in HD and SBT2 in SD on 22.2. They air both shows & show them side by side on both channels. Both shows air at 3 & 4pm respectively on 22.1 (HD) & 8 & 9pm on 22.2 (SD). As for Chicago, that was the only change, since to my knowledge, all other shows are staying in their timeslots. I primarily focused on DR. Phil is because of the no compete clause between Oprah & Dr. Phil. Given that Oprah aired at 9 AM in Chicago, I never understood WBBM's decision a few years back to move "Guiding Light" (and, later, "Let's Make A Deal") against her, unless "General Hospital" on WLS was so far ahead of the pack at 2 PM as to make it almost impossible for a CBS program to compete. Right now, I don't know why WBBM doesn't put "Deal" at 2 (especially since "GH" is doomed if ABC puts Katie Couric's new show into that slot), followed by Dr. Phil at 3; KCBS very quickly flip-flopped "Deal" and Rachael Ray, putting her back at 9 AM and "Deal" at 2 PM, and I think KOVR is the only other CBS o&o outside the Eastern time zone to air "Deal" in the morning. From what I read, and considering the ABC O&Os' dominance in their respective markets it's not surprising, WLS's daytime lineup has beaten its competition handily for years. Compared to its competitors, WLS' daytime/early evening has remained unchanged for eons... *Oprah *The View (plus other numerous attempts ABC programmed in this hour) *midday news (Ryan's Hope, Loving, Port Charles, etc. before that) *All My Children *One Life to Live *General Hospital *Inside Edition (has been at 3pm for as long as I can remember) *Jeopardy! (has been at 3:30pm since its syndication debut) *news at 4, 5, and 6pm *ABC World News *Wheel of Fortune (see Jeopardy!) The programming lineup has changed little over the years for WLS-TV. Prior to September 1986, the 9am timeslot was AM Chicago, a local morning talk show. They had numerous hosts over the years, but that program struggled in the ratings until Oprah Winfrey took over the show in 1984. Then the ratings for AM Chicago beat Phil Donahue. Then she went into national first run syndication in 1986, & the rest is history. Now who knows how well Windy City Live will do in that timeslot. This will be a local talk show, & this time, WLS-TV has no plans to take this show into syndication (not sure if they were even trying to take Oprah Winfrey into syndication when she hosted AM Chicago from 1984 - 1986). I already expect the new programs to replace All My Children & One Life To Live to flop, as they're part of the Livewell Network, & most of their shows suck as it is. Now with Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune, those shows have been on at 3:30pm for Jeopardy &

6:30pm for Wheel of Fortune since their syndication inception. Had Pat Sajak's night talk show succeeded, Wheel of Fortune would have been off the air a long time ago. When he left the NBC daytime version in 1990, it flopped with 2 different hosts, along with going to CBS, then back to NBC before it was cancelled for good. If you remember, when Oprah was on during that time slot, any of her "pals" who had a show could not compete against her. WBBM picked up the rights to "The Gayle King Show" back in the mid '90s, that's why Guiding Light was moved to 9 am against Oprah (on a 1 day delay). Here in Wichita, Dr. Phil will still be on at 3 pm on KWCH (CBS - Channel 12). Oprah will end her run here on Sept. 2nd, one week before the actual final run. Replacing her will be Ellen, who will be on Tuesday, Sept. 6th (won't be on Monday, Sept. 5th due to the U.S. Open Tennis) and the season premiere of Ellen will be on Monday, Sept. 12th. Dr. OZ will be on at 9am KCWE replacing a Jerry Springer rerun and 4pm on KMBC. In Chattanooga, Dr. Phil is moving from WDEF to WTVC (Oprah's former station) this fall. Here in Tallahassee Florida Dr. Oz is on @3pm on (CBS) WCTV then Oprah @4pm then WCTV's News @5pm. For Dr.Phil he on NBC 40 WTWC @5pm. I havent hear any words about moving things around here yet. WTWC NBC 40 doesnt do the 6pm/11pm news KRON4 in San Francisco is moving him to 4pm starting May 30. KRON is an independent station. As KGO, ABC7 will have a 4pm newscast where Oprah used to be. I thought KRON was an affiliate of Fox's "My Network TV" since 2006? Here in Columbia, SC, I don't know what WIS-TV (NBC) will do. WIS is the #1 station and has been since their first on-air start in the early 1950s. I would not be surprise if they start a half-hour newscast at 4pm and aired "Inside Edition" or their Raycom-owned produced "America Now" at 4:30pm. If not, they may move "Dr. Phil" to 4pm. I am a native of Portland, Oregon and their Oprah station is KGW-TV (NBC). They will have a hour-long newscast/entertainment show at 4pm. I am not surprised because the ABC and Fox stations currently air news and the CBS station has a local show at 4pm. So, almost everything is local at 4pm in Portland. WIS's sister station WMBF Myrtle Beach already has a 4 PM newscast, and the Raycom stations in Charlotte, Richmond, and Charleston, SC, do likewise, so a 4 PM newscast in Columbia wouldn't come as a surprise to me. WBTW, WMBF's CBS competitor, is almost constantly running promos announcing that Ellen will move from 3 PM to 4 this fall. WBTW airs Dr. Phil at 9 AM, but I haven't heard whether he'll take over the 3 PM slot (WBTW is the only CBS affiliate in the Carolinas that runs "Let's Make A Deal" at 10 AM). Likewise, I don't look for WRAL Raleigh/Durham to move Dr. Phil out of the 9 AM slot; 4 PM is "out" since the station airs "The Young And The Restless" then, and quite successfully. WTVD (ABC o&o) has already started a 4 PM newscast. By the logic of 'Oprah being replaced by Dr. Oz', the latter would hafta move to KWQC in the Quad Cities! Indianapolis 500 coveage in Indianapolis/Bloomington itself

I only have one question about the big race this weekend from Speedway, IN: Is there a specific reason why the race never airs live on WRTV-TV (ABC) channel 6 of Indianapolis? A banner on their website is counting down to 7 PM EDT for the race, instead of 11 AM EDT when it would be live for most everybody else. Huh The IMS doesn't want to show the race live. So the Indy 500 is "blacked out" to Indianapolis viewers? What genius approved that decision? And if WRTV had a countdown clock to well past the 500, you'd think they'd have an explanation as to why they are not airing the race. Wonder what they'll be airing in the 500's place. It's been the case ever since ABC first started showing the race live, back in the 80s. People there are used to it. I'm told, however, that the live NASCAR race on Fox routinely gets higher ratings than the tape-delayed Indy 500. WRTV's schedule for today: 12:00 This Week w/Christine Amanpour 1:00 The Middle 1:30 Modern Family 2:00 Modern Family 2:30 Cougar Town 3:00 Cougar Town 3:30 Happy Endings 4:00 America's Funniest Home Videos 5:00 Judge Judy 5:30 Fearless at the 500 6:00 6 News at Six Race Day 7:00 Indy Pre-Race 8:00 Indy 500 By the looks at zap2it, WRTV is running tonight's ABC lineup this afternoon, while the rest of the network has the race live. You might want to turn your antenna south and try getting WHAS-11 in Louisville like in the days prior to cable. It's free! Viewers in central Indiana are used to it. In fact, WRTV used to promote the live airing of the Indy 500 on other ABC stations available to some viewers in Indiana. If you're lucky enough to have an antenna, you can watch the race on the following stations in adjacent markets: WCPO 9 in Cincinnati WHAS 11 in Louisville WICD 15 in Champaign, IL (which puts a solid signal in Lafayette and Terre Haute) WPTA 21 in Fort Wayne WKEF 22 in Dayton WEHT 25 in Evansville The Indy 500 has aired on WRTV at 7pm every year since the late 1940s. Possible exception:

races delayed by weather to Monday. I've never watched the tape-delayed broadcast. A tape delay blackout like this is pretty stupid when TV is the only medium blacked out. i assume the reason is less people will get tickets for the race and go see it if it is on tv live. the NBA, NFL and major league baseball blacks out local games if it is not sold out 24 hours before the game is scheduled.at least the local indianapolis channels show the race later in the day. I don't believe the NBA or MLB has any blackouts due to unsold tickets -- if so, many teams would have all their home games blacked out. Only the NFL has this blackout rule, which is 72 hours before gametime. I know that Because Here in the Bay Area Oakland Raiders have the most blacked out games in the country. The question is does Nascar do the same thing black out races like the IRL. like when a race is in Datona? many an indiana pacers home game has been blacked out on tv here in indianapolis.it may be 72 hours instead of 24 on the NBA. the MLB may not have that rule.there are no major league teams here .it would make sense if they did for the same reason the NFL and NBA do . I think that's between the Pacers and their TV outlet, not an NBA rule. No Phoenix Suns game has ever been kept off TV in Arizona due to unsold tickets. AFAIK. That's completely unrealistic. The NBA is like MLB in that sellouts are not always the case except for some markets. If MLB had a rule like the NFL, there would be no baseball on TV. Baseball games rarely sell out other than opening day, certain rivalry games, and the postseason - unless you're in Boston. Grin Even the Cubs don't sell out anymore. The network blackout rules are different. That's because of ESPN/Fox exclusivity, not ticket sales. heres an wikipedia article on blackouts.i know you need at least a grain of salt but it gives things you can compare other sites for verification.a good first stop to reserch things. it does mention the indianapolis 500 and why the delay till later in the day for race broadcast. if i read the NBA portion right it did have blackout rules that changed over time.the blackouts i saw were in the 1980`s so they may have ben in effect then but not now. I was also making this thread to reminisce a little. I visited Indianapolis for parts of 4 days last summer. I took in an Indians game at Victory Field (AAA-International League affiliate of Pittsburgh), looked around the state capitol, took pictures of Lucas Oil Stadium and stopped by the lobby and box office of Conseco Fieldhouse. The Indiana Convention Center was being expanded on the site which was once the RCA Dome. Indianapolis Motor Speedway was the one major attraction I didn't get a chance to visit. I still remember the hotel "cable" only carrying the big 4 and what was supposed to be WTTV-TV (CW) channel 4 of Bloomington. What you might be thinking of are radio-only games. The Arizona Diamondbacks still have a few of those; in fact, there was one on Saturday (an away game). That was because of the Fox exclusivity rule. Fox had 6 regional games, but the D'backs-Astros game wasn't one of them. That game between an improving (and currently in 1st place) team in a weak division vs the NL's worst was irrelevant to everyone outside of Phoenix and Houston. It was

streamed outside the US, but I doubt that this game taxed their servers much. Grin The Diamondbacks used to black out Saturday home games to try to boost ticket sales, but it didn't work. That practice stopped several years ago, but that was a team policy, not MLB's or the networks'. If a D'backs game isn't on FSN Arizona, it's because it conflicts with a Fox or ESPN game, or is on one of those networks. 1:00 The Middle 1:30 Modern Family 2:00 Modern Family 2:30 Cougar Town 3:00 Cougar Town 3:30 Happy Endings This is last Wednesday's lineup. Are they going to show that night's lineup anytime? I bet last Wednesday's lineup in Indy was preempted for weather reasons anyways. If it wasn't for the weather the previous Wednesday, what would WRTV show instead of Indy 500? (Don't say "infomercials".) - There is no blackout rule in NASCAR or IRL. The decision to air the Indy 500 on tape delay is made by Indianapolis Motor Speedway. It's an antiquated rule and hopefully someone will drag IMS kicking and screaming out of the 1970s soon. - There is no blackout rule in MLB, the NBA, or the NHL. The decision to televise games is made by the teams (except in instances where a network has exclusivity for national games). Absolutely right...in the case of the Pacers, all of their games are televised regionally. The ones that aren't are usually those Sunday afternoon games that fall into ABC's exclusive window. In fact, they could actually televise those particular games if they choose to, but only on tape-delay (MSG Network would show tape-delayed Knicks Sunday afternoon games later that evening whenever ABC had an afternoon game). Every NBA team nowadays show at least 75 games each season, and the only other teams that televise like than that (at last checked) are the Grizzlies, Timberwolves, and Bobcats. I noticed KPIX 5 in San Francisco that airs the AFC Conference during football season would be diverted to San Diego Chargers games and other AFC teams while the Raiders are playing. However I heard that KCBS 2 can air the Raiders game and other CBS stations that are permitted to air the Raiders. While KTVU airs most of the 49ers games that air on Fox. I have 2 questions: When ABC used to have an affiliate at nearby Terre Haute, Indiana (Channel 38, WBAK-TV) until 1995, was the Indianapolis 500 aired on a tape delay also in Terre Haute? WBAK aired the race live. About 10 years ago, NASCAR took control of the television contracts for all NASCAR races. Previously, the individual race tracks could arrange their own TV deals with various networks. Did the Indianapolis Motor Speedway also mandate for the Brickyard 400 to air on a tape delay in the Indianapolis area? I'm pretty sure the NASCAR race has always aired live in Indianapolis. The Brickyard has always been shown live as far as I'm aware. I vaguely remember watching the

2000 broadcast on ABC in the middle of the afternoon on WRTV. Did the Raiders ever Blackout Games when they spent their time in LA in the 1980's to 1995? Was any LA or SD TV station in the 1980's banned from Airing Raiders Games like KABC or KCBS during the time that the LA Raiders played at Memorial Stadium? And were LA stations diverted to RAMS games before St Louis took the Rams. Where Did the Rams play when they were in LA? If it wasn't for the weather the previous Wednesday, what would WRTV show instead of Indy 500? (Don't say "infomercials".) Quoting from an earlier post in this thread: "By the looks at zap2it, WRTV is running tonight's ABC lineup this afternoon, while the rest of the network has the race live." So, weather aside, it would have been whatever ABC aired in Prime on Sunday night. (I'm assuming that WRTV decided to go with the pre-empted Wednesday lineup somewhat at the last minute...not in time for Zap2It to receive updates?) The poster here mentioned that the WRTV Sunday afternoon schedule was actually ABC's primetime schedule that was delayed from Wednesday due to weather, and that's what was presented on the zap2it site. Did TV Stations have their choice of Digital TV Channel assignment? I don't know if this was covered here or not but I have been wondering if local TV Stations had their pick of the digital channel they were to move to (not the PSIP virtual channel). For example, 2 local Sacramento Stations, KXTV Channel 10 & KTXL Channel 40 was able to move back to their original channel as their old analog station was after 2009 digital conversion but stations such as KOVR Channel 13, KMAX Channel 31 & KUVS Channel 19 were assigned new digital channels. Was it the TV Station owners that were able to pick the new digital channel or was it the FCC? Thanks! I believe for the final assignments, TV stations that were in the "core" channels, 2-51, had the option of returning to their analog channel after the conversion. Those with digital assignments 52 and above, as was the case with WTVD (52), WRAL (53), WNCN (55), WLFL (57) and WUNC (59) here in the Raleigh-Durham market, had to move either to their old analog channels (WTVD and WNCN) or to a channel below 52 (WRAL, WLFL and WUNC). In the case of WLFL, they moved from 57 to 27, which was the temporary digital channel for sister station WRDC until they moved to their old analog home at channel 28. I know originally the FCC said, that if a station stayed on it's digital channel it was protected. Meaning that other stations would have to conform to its signal. But if they elected to return to their analog channel then they would have to conform to any interference from another station who was assigned that as a digital channel. This is one reason why stations opted to stay on their digital channel. Both "...Daze" and "Mark" have it right. Stations which had both an analog channel and interim digital channel "inside core" (channels 2-51) had the right to choose between the two for their permanent digital channel. Those which opted to move their permanent digital facility to their previous analog channel were required to protect other existing stations from interference.

Stations whose analog or interim digital channel was "outside core" (above channel 51) had no choice. They could however petition the FCC to assign a third channel. I wonder if stations really knew what they were getting into by moving back to their analog channel? In NYC, both WABC and WPIX moved back to channel 7 and 11 respectively, and their signals are much worse than the stations that stayed on UHF. They probably didn't. - There hadn't been a full-scale test, with all the analog interference gone and everyone operating at full digital power. - Nobody realized just how many absolute crap antennas were going to be sold. I don't know that WABC and WPIX had any choice. I know WPIX's interim UHF frequency ended up in the hands of channel 3 in Hartford, Conn. WABC's is now occupied by Hartford's channel 24, although I seem to recall some kind of rulemaking proceeding there and am not sure 45 was always WEDH's assignment. WABC and WPIX absolutely had a choice. WPIX could have retained 33 and WABC could have retained 45, since they were already operating on those channels, as were the Hartford signals. Had this happened, WCBS would likely be on channel 7 or 11 today rather than 33. Not being on the techie end of this, I wonder what percentage of the few remaining TV stations using chs 2-6 for RF digital are actually pleased to be there.....Has there been a survey about it? They certainly don't exist on 2-6 just to get E-skip DX reports!* Smiley Oh yeah....and what do they tell their viewers about an antenna to purchase? Wink [*although the DXer in me is pleased that they are still around....!] cd I hear that the FCC today put a freeze on all changes to Digital TV channels, in advance of "repacking" the TV bands to make room for more internet. Guess many of us will be moving again soon. And how many stations disregarded the PSIP Virtual Channel and changed their on air channel to their digital channel. Example, KCRA Channel 3 in Sacramento id's as Channel on air even though their digital channel is 35. However, in Fresno, KAIL Channel 53' digital channel is VHF Channel 7 and now KAIL (A My Network TV affiliate) switched its id from "My 53" to "My 7.1" WYIN Gary Indiana initially had a choice on whether to stay on 17, or go back to 56 (before only 60 - 69 was beling eliminated, but sometime after the initial ruling on the channel lineup, 52-59 were added as well). Even if WYIN could have gone back to 56, they wanted 17, because most cable systems have them on 17 instead of 56. The only problem is that their coverage is a bit smaller than their analog coverage was, due to the nulls still in place that protected WNDU when they were on analog 16 to the east, WXMI Grand Rapids, MI when they were on analog 17, & WLFI when they were on analog 18. So far, WYIN hasn't decided to put in a Application to have the nulls removed, since these stations that they protected stayed on their pre-transitional channels. WLS-TV was on 52, & had no choice, but to return to 7. Since WOOD-TV Grand Rapids, MI also was assigned 7 for their pre-transitional digital, & stayed on channel 7, WLS-TV could not get a power increase that would allow their signal to penetrate Chicago better (other than an experimental STA to increase from 4.75kw to 9.5kw @515m), while WOOD-TV was granted a

power increase. So WLS-TV petitioned for channel 44, & knocked WCHU-LD off the air (WCHULD has since signed on channel 33), since WWAZ Fon Du Lac, WI decided to change their digital channel to channel 5 (this station is still off the air, & I believe they never went digital). WBBM-TV was given channel 3 for their pre-transitional digital, & most people didn't have the correct antenna to receive this channel. It doesn't work so well with rabbit ears. I was one of the lucky few who got them on channel 3 with few problems (I was using an older all channel antenna I bought in 2002, when Chicago still had 5 VHF stations). They really didn't want to keep channel 3, & definitely didn't want to return to 2, since most people complained they couldn't get 2 in analog (I got analog 2 better than analog 5). They worked out a deal with WTTW that they stay on channel 47, & WBBM would take channel 11, but they changed their minds after they learned that because WGVU Grand Rapids, MI & WLFI Lafayette Indiana were also on channel 11 for pre-transitional digital, & they were staying on 11, that WBBM-TV would have had a smaller coverage area than if they stayed on 3. That was because the power for channel 11 digital would have been about 1.8kw vs. the 2.8kw they had on channel 3. Had they stayed on 3, they would have gone up to 4.4kw & have most of the nulls knocked out. They asked for channel 12, & that was granted. Since it would have costed WBBM lots of money to rebuild their facilities on the John Hancock, they went the cheaper route by reusing WTTW's antenna for channel 11 for channel 12. Since WTTW is on the Sears Tower (I still call it that), WBBM-TV was the only station that changed transmission sites on June 12th, as they were on the John Hancock, & had planned to stay there for post-transitional digital. They would have stayed on 3 if their requests for 11 or 12 had been denied. WJYS was the 3rd station that didn't have a choice on their channel number, as their analog was on 62. They were assigned 36, but originally had a sharp null to the north to protect WMVT Milwaukee until June 12th. It was several months after the transitional date before they could afford to upgrade their facilities to boost their signal, & knock out most of the null toward Milwaukee, since WMVT decided to stay on their pre-transitional channel 35. WXFT 60 (digital 59) & WGBO 66 (digital 53) were the only 2 that had to get new channel numbers, since both their channels were out of core. WXFT petitioned for 50, but would settle for 38 if 50 wasn't approved. WPWR-TV was on 51 & stayed on 51. WXFT was given 50. WGBO petitioned for 38, but if 38 went to sister station WXFT, then they would have tried for 12 (the channel that WBBM-TV was trying for, & got). WXFT & WGBO had priority since they were losing both their analog & pre-transitional digital channels. WCPX was on 38 for analog & 43 for digital, & stayed on 43. Nearly everyone else in the Chicago market had a choice, & they stayed on their pre-transitional digital channels. WBBM-TV & WWTO were the only stations in the Chicago market given VHF channels for pre-transitional digital. Since WNIT South Bend Indiana & WMVT Milwaukee both stayed on channel 35 for post-transitional digital, it was unlikely they would have been allowed to go back to 35 (their coverage was terrible in analog). Plus the station is nearly 80 miles from Chicago, & can't locate in Chicago, due to the COL being LaSalle. While part of the Chicago market, they're actually closer to the Peoria market. So they stayed on channel 10. For the Indianapolis market, I learned that WIPB Muncie Indiana was forced to change channels. They were on analog 49, & was out of core for digital on 52. For some reason, they weren't allowed to return to 49, & ended up on channel 23 for post-transitional digital. The closest full-powered stations to Muncie on RF Ch. 49 are WNWO-TV Toledo and WDRB-TV Louisville, but they're both about 150 miles away. The "some reason" was probably WTTV-48. Trafalgar (WTTV) to Muncie (WIPB) is about 80 miles. I thought that adjacent UHF channels in the same metro area were OK for DTV, with certain restrictions. I'm not sure of the exact rule here.

From Trip's Rabbitears.info site Quote Zone I, VHF: Stations must be 152 miles apart on the same channel, and less than 12.43 or greater than 68.35 miles apart on the adjacent channels. Zone I, UHF: Stations must be 122 miles apart on the same channel, and less than 14.91 or greater than 68.35 miles apart on the adjacent channels. Zones II and III, VHF: Stations must be 170 miles apart on the same channel, and less than 14.29 or greater than 68.35 miles apart on the adjacent channels. Zones II and III, UHF: Stations must be 139 miles apart on the same channel, and less than 14.91 or greater than 68.35 miles apart on the adjacent channels. That would still make it OK for WIPB to have remained on 49. There must have been another reason for their desire to be on 23. WTTV and WIPB are separated by 62 miles. I did some digging and found that WDRB-49 is only 123 miles away. Probably wanted to avoid that signal. May also have been constrained by WDTN-50 at 65 miles. Remember, just because an allotment may have fit there doesn't mean they could have run as much power as they wanted on that allotment. - Trip WTTV and WIPB are separated by 62 miles. I did some digging and found that WDRB-49 is only 123 miles away. Probably wanted to avoid that signal. May also have been constrained by WDTN-50 at 65 miles. I guess I misoverestimated the distances. Grin And how many stations disregarded the PSIP Virtual Channel and changed their on air channel to their digital channel. Example, KCRA Channel 3 in Sacramento id's as Channel on air even though their digital channel is 35. However, in Fresno, KAIL Channel 53' digital channel is VHF Channel 7 and now KAIL (A My Network TV affiliate) switched its id from "My 53" to "My 7.1" Actually KAIL id as "My Digital 7.1" Unusual Network Affiliates This thread was inspired by "ABC33/40", the ABC affiliate in Birmingham that has been getting some national publicity in the wake of the horrific tornado outbreak in Alabama this past week. ABC33/40 is a simulcast of Allbritton's WCFT/33 Tuscaloosa on the western side of the market, and co-owned WJSU/40 Anniston on the eastern side of the market. But "officially", the home station for ABC33/40 is WBMA-LP/58 Birmingham, a low-power station in the center of the market. It has been on analog 58, but it may be up on LD now (RF 40, since WJSU changed RF channels to 9, virtual 58.1). Now, back in the day, when I was growing up, network affiliates were on full-power stations in the heart of the market. But things have changed in 2011. What "Big Four" affiliates are sitting on rimshots/LPTV/digital subchannels/etc.?

(You can list CW/MyNet/independent stations for fun, but I'm mostly looking for ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox...especially the original "Big Three".) Background on 33/40: In 1990, what is now the Birmingham DMA was three: Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and AnnistonGadsden. All three shared WBRC-6 (ABC), WVTM-13 (NBC), and (later on) Fox. But each had its own CBS. WCFT-33 (Tus.) and WJSU-40 (Ann.) were market-leader CBS affiliates. WJSU, despite being in a small market, even got national success. WBMG-42, however, was an embarrassment for the Eye network, at times having local news and when it did, with low ratings. 6 and 13 utterly dominated. Even WCFT, in areas where it could be received in Birmingham, trounced 42. Fox was in the hands of WTTO 21-WDBB 17 (the latter in Tuscaloosa) and was also shared. The New World deal converted WBRC into a Fox affiliate (though late in 1996 requiring Fox to run an ABC affiliate). The ABC network had to find an affiliate. It approached WBMG, even offering to buy it, but they actually re-signed with CBS. In 1995, the owner of WCFT sold it to Allbritton Communications, a company known for its ties to the ABC network. It signed an LMA to capture the operation of WJSU as well. But there was a snag: it still wasn't in Birmingham. Luckily, little 58, then called W58CK, had just signed on. Allbritton bought it, made IT the primary station for ratings, and plugged along. 33/40 quickly became a ratings contender in B'ham. (WTTO and WDBB became the WB affiliate. Sinclair wasn't making news or owning Big 3s at the time, so it would not produce local news.) 42 had boosted to full power by this time, so it became the common CBS affiliate. Eventually, in 1998, B'ham simultaneously merged in with Tuscaloosa and Anniston and became metered (growing twelve market notches, from 51 to 39, in the process). That's why "42 Daily News" premiered when it did. Since then, 42's become a fighter in Birmingham news and one of the CBS network's Southern jewels. South Bend Indiana had ABC on WSJV since the late 50's, but in 1995, they changed to being a Fox affiliate. Wikipedia claims that Fox wanted a full power station in South Bend to carry Fox rather than being on a low power station. My local papers (Post Tribune & NWI Times) aren't actually in the South Bend market, but they had a story about the change in affiliation, & said that ratings was the reason WSJV dropped ABC for Fox. So when that happened, ABC had no choice, but to affiliate with a low power station owned by Weigel Broadcasting. ABC is currently on WBNDLD (then WBND-LP 58, then 57 when WSJV took their channel for pre-transitional digital). Had then WBND-LP (now -LD) not taken the affiliation, then South Bend would have been without an ABC affiliate, & for cable, either WOTV Battle Creek, MI, WPTA Fort Wayne, IN, WRTV Indianapolis, or WLS-TV Chicago would have had to be carried for ABC. Those outside of the immediate South Bend area that are closer to Grand Rapids can get WOTV Battle Creek, while those closer to Portage, Valparaiso, or even Hobart, IN can get WLS-TV Chicago. Those closer to Fort Wayne, IN can get WPTA Fort Wayne. As for the Grand Rapids/Battle Creek market, that market is the only market I know of that has 2 ABC affiliates, due to neither one covering the entire market, & the only 2 ABC stations that have 2 different owners. WZZM Grand Rapids is far north of Grand Rapids in order to protect WTVG-TV Toledo, OH, both when they were analog & post-transitional digital. So they mainly cover the northern part of the market. WOTV covers the southern part of the market, & is currently a duopoly with NBC affiliate WOOD-TV, owned by LIN Broadcasting. WZZM did try to acquire WOTV to make it a simulcast (FCC approved it), but the deal fell through due to money. The Tampa Bay market has 2 ABC affiliates as well. WFTS Tampa and WWSB Sarasota. 42 had boosted to full power by this time, so it became the common CBS affiliate. Eventually, in 1998, B'ham simultaneously merged in with Tuscaloosa and Anniston and became metered

(growing twelve market notches, from 51 to 39, in the process). That's why "42 Daily News" premiered when it did. Since then, 42's become a fighter in Birmingham news and one of the CBS network's Southern jewels. Though part of the reason might have been Media General selling WIAT (the former WBMG) to New Vision Television, after buying NBC O&O WVTM -- under New Vision, WIAT's ratings improved, while those for WVTM went down. The Tampa Bay market has 2 ABC affiliates as well. WFTS Tampa and WWSB Sarasota. As do Grand Rapids, which has WZZM and WOTV (from Battle Creek) -- the latter is owned by Lin Broadcasting, the owners of NBC affil WOOD; in fact, in recent years, WOTV had been promoting themselves as the ABC station for not just Battle Creek and Kalamazoo, but for Grand Rapids itself, competing against Gannett-owned WZZM, which is actually licensed to Grand Rapids. Lincoln Nebraska has 2 ABC affiliates, KLKN-8 and the NTV network (KHGI/KWNB). They're based in different parts of the market and hence are both carried by Directv and DISH. They're also separate owners, Citadel and Pappas/New World. WCVB/5 Boston and WMUR/9 Manchester NH are both ABC affils in the Boston market--both owned by Hearst but with separate progarmming. WRC/4 DC and WHAG/25 Hagerstown MD are both NBC affils in the Washington market, both WMUR and WHAG are carried by sat throughout the larger market. BTW, KNSD is a single station broadcasting in San Diego on virtual channel 39. 7 signifies it's cable position on most cable systems in the area, so it doesn't apply. Sherman/Denison/Ada: The 2 primary stations, KTEN/10 and KXII/12, have done a juggling act of nets over the years, with KTEN having much of the time primary NBC and KXII primary CBS, while ABC came/went in the market. Now with subchannels available, all the major nets are represented, just not on separate stations... KTEN now has .1 NBC, .2 CW, .3 ABC; KXII now has .1 CBS, .2 MyNet, .3 Fox , well, OK, all but PBS locally, and if any of the new subchannel nets wanted in, they'd have to improvise on an LP station somewhere. Tyler/Longview: For 3 decades, the 3 nets ABC/NBC/CBS could be found on the 2 primary stations KLTV/7 Tyler and KTRE/9 Lufkin, with CBS mostly getting the least airtime of the 3 (one weekly exception being a Dallas Cowboys game, those were certain to be shown), not even CBS' big hits of those years (I Love Lucy, As the World Turns, Dallas, etc) could be found on Ch. 7 or Ch. 9. This would last until KLMG/51 Longview took the CBS primary starting in 1984 and KETK/56 Jacksonville took the NBC primary starting in 1987. Then, before the 2000s and the subchannel age, the primary nets that were represented were not singular, but split to cover more of the market.... ABC, KLTV/7 Tyler and KTRE/9 Lufkin Fox, KFXK/51 Longview and KFXL-LP/30 Lufkin (Ch. 51 had flipped from CBS to Fox by this time) NBC, KETK/56 Jacksonville and KLSB/19 Nacogdoches UPN, KTPN-LP/48 Tyler and KLPN-LP/22 (later 58) Longview Now, most of the split stations remain (except the NBC split, as Ch. 19 was bought out, changed calls to KYTX, moved its studio operation to Tyler, and flipped to CBS; a new LP in Lufkin, KETKLP/53, now covers that area since Ch. 19 moved and flipped); since the loss of UPN, 48/58 are now MyNet stations. Meanwhile, with no extra stations available for affiliations, 4 of the stations have found themselves adding Spanish networks as subchannels (KLTV/7 and KTRE/9 have Telemundo, KYTX/19 has Azteca America (and the only 1 of the 4 with a local Spanish newscast), and KETK/56 has EstrellaTV), and 2 stations have taken on subchannel nets (KLTV/7 has ThisTV, KYTX/19 has MeTV) .... The only locals not split now are the CBS and CW stations; KYTX/19's tower is more centrally-located in the market than the others, so it covers most of the market without needing a second station. KCEB/54, recently bought out by KYTX's parent company, is still

beaming from SW of Longview, although there is speculation that their antenna could be moved to the tower that KYTX uses, giving KCEB a much better reach of the market (they've had to depend on local cable systems to get their signal to the rest of the market up to now). PBS, up to now not locally represented, could be available by a translator from Tyler in the future. KERA/13, the DFW PBS station, has been the primary source of PBS viewing in the market before now, and is the applicant (thru its parent owner) for the translator. This would be the first time a translator station has been a part of the market. Quincy, IL/Hannibal, MO: KHQA-7: 7.1 CBS, 7.2 ABC. (Previously KTVO-3 Kirksville/Ottumwa was the default ABC for Quincy, while some market viewers had to instead make do with weaker signals from ABC stations in Peoria, the Quad Cities, St. Louis, Columbia (MO), Springfield/Decatur, or go without). WGEM-10: 10.1 NBC, 10.2 CW, 10.3 Fox Kirksville/Ottumwa: KTVO-3: 3.1 ABC, 3.2 CBS (KTVO had originally been a CBS primary affiliate until around 1970). The Springfield, IL side of the Springfield/Decatur/Champaign market: WCFN-49: 49.1 My (UPN 2002-2006), 49.2 CBS (from sister station WCIA-3.1 Champaign). WCFN had originally signed on in 1967 as translator W49AA for WCIA to bring a better signal to the Illinois capitol city. It became "full powered" (but still a pea-shooter compared to other Springfield stations WICS-20 and WRSP-55) as WCFN in 1985, but continued as a repeater for WCIA. In April 2002, WCFN became a standalone UPN affiliate--leaving Springfield viewers relying on OTA without reliable CBS coverage, similar to the ABC and Fox situations at that time 100 miles west in Quincy. Alternatives included WMBD-31 in Peoria (which ironically from past experience has been the "strongest" of the Peoria stations that I have been able to pick up in Springfield), the forementioned KHQA, KMOV-4 St. Louis, spending the money on satellite or cable, or going without CBS until the digital age began. Does San Diego's NBC 7/39 count? Yes, it counts. I remember in the early 80s, the Bay Area's KRON (NewsCenter 4 at that time) ran some story from San Diego's 'NewsCenter 39." I remember thinking this was funny - I guess because we were so used to network affiliates being on VHF channels. If I remember from growing up in SoCal in the 60s and 70s, NBC was on KOGO, channel 10, but that station switched affiliation to ABC in the 70s, during the time that ABC was riding high in the ratings (Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, The Love Boat, etc.). So I guess the then-pathetic NBC (before they became the top network of the 80s), switched to UHF 39. I remember wondering if the owners at KOGO (later KGTV) ended up regretting that affiliation switch. Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville had two ABC affiliates for years in the '50s, '60s, and '70s: WLOS/13 Asheville and WAIM/40 Anderson, SC. In the '90s 40 was a satellite of WLOS briefly. The market also had two CBS affiliates after WAGA switched from CBS to Fox, leaving northeast Georgia without CBS (WGCL/46 couldn't penetrate that far). WNEG/32 Toccoa became a semi-satellite of WSPA/7 until the University of Georgia bought 32, moved it to Athens, and made it noncommercial. WSPA was then put on several cable systems in northeast Georgia. Huntsville/Decatur/Florence, AL had two NBC affiliates: WAFF/48 Huntsville (and before that, 1968-77, WAAY/31) and WOWL/15 Florence. 15 has since dropped

NBC for MyNetwork. WGXA Macon, GA dropped ABC for Fox, but got it back after the flap between ABC and WPGA. Fox is on 24.1; ABC on 24.2. Likewise, KBMT Beaumont, TX, carries ABC on 12.1; NBC on 12.2 since KBTV/4 dropped NBC for Fox. And Albany, GA uses WSB/2 Atlanta as its de facto ABC affiliate, since the market doesn't have one of its own and WSB is accessible via satellite. Huntsville/Decatur/Florence, AL had two NBC affiliates: WAFF/48 Huntsville (and before that, 1968-77, WAAY/31) and WOWL/15 Florence. 15 has since dropped NBC for MyNetwork. Wasn't WHDF (the former WOWL) UPN before becoming a MyNetwork affiliate? Philadelphia market has 2 NBC affiliates WCAU 10 (NBC) Primary affiliate WMGM 40 (NBC) Affiliate for Wildwood-Atlantic City. With Comcast owning NBC and the cable systems in South Jersey, I wonder if there would be continued co-existance with WMGM. Some 10 years ago, Comcast made things difficult for WMGM by attempting to displace them off the cable lineup in Cumberland County, on the basis Vineland was closer to Philadelphia than Wildwood, and Comcast didn't need to carry WMGM in Vineland as it wasn't the closest NBC station. They settled but WMGM was moved from Ch.21 to Ch.99 to Ch.247. Comcast competes with WMGM on local advertising in the Atlantic - Cape May - Cumberland county areas. I'd rather see WMGM going independent and this way they could easily get carriage throughout South Jersey, and move the newscast to 10pm as well. Maybe they could reimage the station to being SJ 4 or something. They would keep cable carriage on Ch.4, and could apply for that open VHF license on Ch.4, and claim cable/fios/sat carriage on Ch.4 throughout. In the Quad Cities DMA, there were two Fox stations in the late 1980s - KLJB in Davenport and KJMH in Burlington. I wonder if Burlington counted as part of the QC market back then, but they were two separate stations. Then KJMH became independent in May 1994, then disappeared from TV Guide later that fall (like, around Thanksgiving). Then in January 1995 when The WB and UPN signed on the air, there was an ad for UPN shows and at the bottom of each ad, there read the time and only one station: Channel 26, even though KJMH was delisted from TV Guide by then. Then one day in 1996, I saw the Fox 18 logo with a voiceover saying, 'You are watching Fox 18 KLJB Davenport, IA, or Fox 26 KJMH Burlington, IA'. Apparently, KJMH was serving as a KLJB translator at this time 'til December 2000. Here's my question: Did KJMH sign off the air in 1994 then returned to the air as KLJB's twin 18 months later? Or did KJMH stay on the air that entire time and affiliate with UPN for the time being? Binghamton, New York is worth mentioning here: while its CBS and ABC affiliates have been stable since 1949 and 1962, respectively (WNBF-TV/WBNG 12 and WBJA/WMGC/WIVT 34), NBC bounced around in the mid-90s. After decades on channel 40 (WINR-TV in 1957, then WICZ), Stainless Broadcasting decided it could do better with Fox, which had been seen in the market only via cable from WNYW in New York.

With Fox on channel 40, NBC needed a new home in the market, and it ended up on an LPTV, W08DL (soon changed to WBGH-LP). It was mainly a simulcast of Elmira's WETM-TV 18, though it had its own local ads and a community calendar segment. By 2000, WBGH (and WETM) had become sister stations to WIVT, and today WBGH operates as an appendage to WIVT, simulcasting local newscasts and running HD on WIVT's 34.2 subchannel. (Elmira, meanwhile, which had relied on WNBF-TV/WBNG for CBS for more than 60 years, now gets CBS on the 36.2 subchannel of ABC affiliate WENY-TV.) Lincoln Nebraska has 2 ABC affiliates, KLKN-8 and the NTV network (KHGI/KWNB). They're based in different parts of the market and hence are both carried by Directv and DISH. They're also separate owners, Citadel and Pappas/New World. That's one of the country's most awkward TV markets. In actuality, it's pure fantasy. The market shares CBS (KOLN 10-KGIN 11) and Fox (KFXL, formerly repeated with KSNB and KTVG which are now dead). The non-Lincoln part of the market uses NTV for ABC and KHAS-5 for NBC. The Lincoln part uses KLKN and Omaha's NBC, WOWT. McCook, Nebraska which is in the market has an even more awkward scenario, because it's also the COL for KSN Wichita repeater KSNK-8. (The facilities and former COL are in Kansas.) The CW is cable-only except in Lincoln, which draws on KXVO-15 Omaha. KFXL had formerly been CW, but it switched to Fox as KSNB and KTVG were closed. As the Wikipedia article on KOLN puts it, the Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney market "has little basis in television reality." And that's accurate. DOes KGO count because KGO occupies 2 TV markets Monterey and San Francisco? I remember back in KNTV switched to independent until KNTV in the NBC era became a part of the San Francisco market. Also San Jose had 2 ABC stations KGO ABC7 (San Francisco) and KNTV (Monterey Market until 2000-2001) KNTV was ousted out of ABC by the network in 1999 until this spring, KGO has had a special feed for the Monterey Bay area. KSBW, owned by ABC-cozy Hearst, is getting into the subchannel game with ABC this spring, I think. In Springfield, Massachusetts the CBS affiliate is WSHM-LP 67. They go by the name CBS TV 3 Springfield because they're on Channel 3 on most cable systems. For years WFSB Channel 3 in Hartford, Connecticut served as the defacto CBS affiliate in Springfield. Fast forward to the early years of the early 2000s and Merideth Broadcasting (WFSB's parent compnay) purchased Lowpower Channel 67 in Springfield from Trinity Broadcasting and launched CBS TV 3 Springfield. WSHM-LP Piggy-backs on WFSB Channel 3.2 in order to be on cable in the greater Springfield area. WSHM stands for Springfield Holyoke Massachusetts. Thanks to the DX hobby, I've seen a few of the more unusual affiliates in other markets. KALB Alexandria LA was a NBC affiliate during the analog era and still carries that on their primary stream (5-1). But KALB also multicasts CBS via a full HDTV stream on 5-2. Another multicast affiliate with 2 HDTV streams is WGBC Meridian MS which carries FOX on 30-1 and the legacy NBC affiliation on 30-2. Most of the other stations with dual network affiliations via DTV have a Big Four and a netlet or Spanish language (The CW, MNTV, Univision, etc) Closer to home, FOX is in SDTV via the -2 subchannels of WABG Greenwood MS (a primary ABC

affiliate on 6-1), and KTVE El Dorado AR on 10-2 (a stretchovision relay of "sister" station KARD West Monroe LA) KNTV was ousted out of ABC by the network in 1999 until this spring, KGO has had a special feed for the Monterey Bay area. KSBW, owned by ABC-cozy Hearst, is getting into the subchannel game with ABC this spring, I think. KSBW's "Central Coast ABC" lit up last month. http://www.ksbw.com/central-coast-abc/index.html KNTV was in an unusual situation. It acted as the local San Jose station as an ABC affiliate, but also was the primary ABC affiliate for the entirely separate Monterey/Salinas/Santa Cruz market. Other examples closer to home: * WAKC/23 Akron served for decades as the second ABC affiliate in the Cleveland market, focusing on the Akron/Canton region. (The station started as WAKR-TV/49 and then moved to 23, later changing to WAKC when it split from sister radio station WAKR/1590.) It's now the Cleveland market's ION O&O, WVPX/23, though still based (tower) in Akron. 49 lit up later as WEAO, the Akron-based half of the Western Reserve PBS operation. * WTRF/7, the Wheeling/Steubenville market's CBS affiliate, used to run ABC programming as a secondary affiliation, as did WTOV-then-WSTV/9. (And at the time, I believe WTRF was NBC primary, and WTOV/WSTV was CBS primary.) Today, WTRF feeds "Fox Ohio Valley" on 7.2, and recently lit up "Ohio Valley ABC" on 7.3. After a brief time where ABC affiliate WYTV/33 ran some Fox programming, mostly football, Youngstown finally got a Fox affiliate...WYFX-LP 62/Youngstown and simuicaster WFXI-CA/17 Mercer PA (17 started on 31, I think). Today, WYFX is an LD station on RF 19, WFXI is gone, and the entire market gets 720p Fox Youngstown programming on sister WKBN/27.2. There was KVOS/12 in Bellingham, WA, which served as the CBS affiliate for the northwestern part of the Seattle-Tacoma market - however Vancouver, BC was the most populated part of its coverage area. CBS programming gradually was reduced over the years, and since about 1987 the station has been officially independent - although last month it picked up MeTV and it advertises that it is now available in Seattle on cable. WBMA is not up digitally yet, though I suspect it's close. - Trip Thanks, Trip! Yeah, Raymie, same here...I'm in Ohio and talking about a station in Alabama. Wink About KVOS, I believe Comcast systems in the Puget Sound added it recently, I believe on digital cable. Its highest profile period was as an independent aiming directly at Vancouver, but that basically went away when a new local station in Vancouver took over KVOS' prime low-channel (I believe 12) channel position... Huntsville/Decatur/Florence, AL had two NBC affiliates: WAFF/48 Huntsville (and

before that, 1968-77, WAAY/31) and WOWL/15 Florence. 15 has since dropped NBC for MyNetwork. Wasn't WHDF (the former WOWL) UPN before becoming a MyNetwork affiliate? I believe so, yes. Probably a majority of MyNetwork affiliates were UPN; I know the two in my area (WRDC/28 Raleigh/Durham and WMYV/48 Greensboro) were. To the people who are talking about KVOS: first, it was analog Channel 12. Second, I remember seeing the Western Washington State edition of TV Guide back in the late '70s and early '80s (my dad's job took him to the West Coast and he'd bring back TV Guides from out there), when KVOS was still listed as a CBS affiliate, yet the shows you'd see listed would be things like Benny Hill, "Dave Allen At Large," "Prisoner: Cell Block H" (I think), and other non-U.S. originations. I thought it strange until I found out that the station was really aiming at Canada; even had an office in Vancouver. The amount of CBS programming they did was minimal; "60 Minutes," the CBS late movie, maybe one or two other things, and it's a wonder CBS didn't drop them then. The Tampa Bay market has 2 ABC affiliates as well. WFTS Tampa and WWSB Sarasota. So does Boston... WCVB-Boston and WMUR-Manchester, NH. Both are now owned by Hearst. I don't know when, if ever, KVOS ran a full CBS schedule. I'll have to hit the Classic TV boards and look for the schedules...the one I saw there recently from the 1970s had limited CBS programming much as bpatrick describes. The Canadian regulators jumped at the new station that eventually replaced KVOS on cable 12 in Vancouver...they LOVE "repatriating" audiences that watch or listen to U.S. border stations. The Tampa Bay market has 2 ABC affiliates as well. WFTS Tampa and WWSB Sarasota. So does Boston... WCVB-Boston and WMUR-Manchester, NH. Both are now owned by Hearst. Somewhat like the Lincoln, NE market, Boston is a larger market than it should be. By rights, the southern 2/3 of New Hampshire (and nearby Windham County, VT) should be it's own market. But, adding those counties to "Boston" has stemmed population losses elsewhere in that market and has kept Boston in the top 10. WMUR covers New Hampshire news as a local should (doing a wonderful job) while WCVB has long had Boston's most popular newscasts. Cable subs in NH and much of northeastern MA get 2 ABCs as a result. I think historic viewing patterns in southern NH put it in the Boston market, as it has no other network affiliates locally other than WMUR/9-ABC. Of course, if WNHT was still affiliated with a Big 4 network today instead of becoming a satellite of a Boston Ion station, NH could have become its own market. Boston is a larger market than it should be. By rights, the southern 2/3 of New Hampshire (and nearby Windham County, VT) should be it's own market. But, adding those counties to "Boston" has stemmed population losses elsewhere in that market and has kept Boston in the top 10. The NH side is part of Boston's CSA. The CSA also links Providence to Boston, so it's not as if

Boston is claiming all of the CSA in the DMA. It's more association than Philadelphia claiming ABE/Lehigh Valley. The Office of Management and Budget doesn't associate the regions. It's interesting that WPVI now states serving the Delaware and Lehigh Valleys. Since when did viewership in the latter region become of importance to Philadelphia TV stations. Of course, if WNHT was still affiliated with a Big 4 network today instead of becoming a satellite of a Boston Ion station, NH could have become its own market. Of course, it could even be its own market with one commercial station (see: Zanesville, OH, which only has WHIZ/NBC). But the Boston viewing patterns probably became too entrenched, and there are the other links with southern NH and Boston. How about KQED-TV and KTEH-TV I heard that KQED and KTEH are now occuping 3 markets SanFrancisco, Monterey and Santa Barbara. Ever since the loss of KCET I heard that KQED and KTEH are there. ABC 33/40 has and always been an unusual station setup considering how much of a mouthful it's full name is "Alabama's ABC 33/40". The station has literally lucked up on a market that has been in transition since the inclusion of Raycom and Media General taking over of WVTM. That's a chicken-and-egg riddle and I don't necessarily buy it. Those viewing patterns are entrenched because that's what's available. Then again, people in Rhode Island were pretty used to having Boston stations as an options (with a clearer signal in most of RI than available in most of NH) - yet Cox seemed to have no problem yanking every single commercial signal from the market from ALL of it's RI cable systems. In NH, there is quite a bit of grousing about how Boston stations seemingly ignore NH news, politics and weather. Now, in all fairness, only a relatively small percentage of their market's population lives in the Granite State. The same is true of those who live in the Portland and Burlington markets. WMUR has managed to gain statewide coverage and it has filled a lot of that demand quite nicely. But others could do so too. Were NH in its own market, WMUR could have a FOX affiliate as a subchannel (for example). WFXT does a particularly bad job at acknowledging that it serves anyone in New Hampshire. And, Granite Staters could get that 3rd NFL game on a Pats home Sunday. The one that Providence viewers (located on Foxborough's doorstep) can get. There are many smaller markets than Manchester/Concord/Portsmouth market which are perfectly viable. That theoretical market would have a MUCH larger population than your Zanesville analogy would imply (almost 1 million, if done right). As I recall, WMUR used to air Fox on two of its translators. - Trip There are many smaller markets than Manchester/Concord/Portsmouth market which are perfectly viable. That theoretical market would have a MUCH larger population than your Zanesville analogy would imply (almost 1 million, if done right). But though it's not quite that large, you still have the same problem we have in Akron/Canton proximity to the larger market...Boston in this case, Cleveland in our case. Youngstown is a smaller market, but got stations very early on, and has natural terrain issues (it's in a Valley) and enough distance from Cleveland where Cleveland viewing is mostly secondary.

I don't know how well the Boston stations come in, in Manchester and Concord, but I suspect well enough that any new entry (see WNHT) has a rough hill to climb. Huntsville/Decatur/Florence, AL had two NBC affiliates: WAFF/48 Huntsville (and before that, 1968-77, WAAY/31) and WOWL/15 Florence. 15 has since dropped NBC for MyNetwork. Wasn't WHDF (the former WOWL) UPN before becoming a MyNetwork affiliate? Actually, WHDF is the CW affiliate for the Tennessee Valley. My Network is carried on WZDX-54.2. 54.1 is the market's Fox affiliate. 15 was the UPN station back in the day, and WB was on 54.2. In the mid-1990s, the Raleigh-Durham TV market had two Fox affiliates. The main affiliate of that time was Raleigh's WLFL-TV 22. Our rather large market includes the city of Fayetteville to the south, and a station there, WFAY-TV 62, became a Fox affiliate around 1993 or 1994. While Fox 22's 5,000 kW signal could be seen in Fayetteville, Fox 62's 337 kW signal was non-existant in Raleigh and Durham, though it served Lumberton (in the next-door Florence-Myrtle Beach TV market). In 1997, Fox 62 became WFPX "Pax 62" (now Ion), along with Rocky Mojnt-NC-licensed WRPX-TV 47 serving the northern part of the market. A year later, Fox also left WLFL-TV for another Raleigh station, WRAZ-TV, channel 50. I would not be lying if I said I wished there was an NH-focused 10:00pm newscast... WMURproduced or otherwise. Another unusual situation here in the Raleigh-Durham market is our NBC affiliate being on a UHF channel licensed to an outlying city on the market's eastern edge, WNCN-TV 17/Goldsboro. As regular visitors to this board have likely read, NBC has come up with the short straw in this market, which had only two successful commercial TV stations WRAL-TV 5 in Raleigh (ABC) and WTVD, channel 11 in Durham (CBS and NBC), until 1968 when WRDU-TV 28/Durham signed on. The station was NBC, but mostly the less-popular programs WTVD didn't air until the FCC stepped in. The Peacock Network stayed on channel 28 through two different owners, with nowhere to go on VHF (WTVD became an ABC O&O in 1985, with CBS going to WRAL, who had no interest in going NBC). By 1995, channel 28 was now known as WRDC with no news operation for the past four years and weaker ratings than the then-Fox affiliate WLFL. NBC bought independent station WNCN-TV and literally built a network affiliate from the ground up out of a station that, just a few years earlier was known as WYED-TV, a 1988 sign-on airing home shopping and weekend fishing shows. Media General owns the station now. There are many smaller markets than Manchester/Concord/Portsmouth market which are perfectly viable. That theoretical market would have a MUCH larger population than your Zanesville analogy would imply (almost 1 million, if done right). But though it's not quite that large, you still have the same problem we have in Akron/Canton proximity to the larger market...Boston in this case, Cleveland in our case. Youngstown is a smaller market, but got stations very early on, and has natural terrain issues (it's in a Valley) and enough distance from Cleveland where Cleveland viewing is mostly secondary. I don't know how well the Boston stations come in, in Manchester and Concord, but I suspect well enough that any new entry (see WNHT) has a rough hill to climb. The difference here is that New Hampshire is a different state than Massachusetts. With that brings a different government and - to some extent - a bit of a different culture. Akron/Canton and Cleveland are still all in Ohio - same governor, same senators, same statewide political and

economic issues. On the other hand, all of those political reports from Beacon Hill on Boston stations mean little to NH residents, unless they involve the income tax AND those viewers work in MA. That's the difference. And no, Boston TV signals - especially in the digital age - do not come in well in Manchester and probably not at all (anymore) in Concord. As I recall, WMUR used to air Fox on two of its translators. - Trip You have an excellent memory Trip! Yes, the translators near Littleton and Berlin, NH were FOX affiliates that showed local (non network) programming from WMUR. I believe that the reason for this had to do with the presence of WMTW as the local ABC affiliate, broadcasting from the top of Mount Washington and supplying a local grade signal to the area. Once WMTW moved to their new transmitter site in Maine, WMUR's management was able to argue their way onto cable systems up north. Now they have statewide coverage, with the possible exception of one system in Pittsburg, NH (at the top of the state), which was too far away to get the feed. At least that was the case when I was there in '07. That change happened several years ago. Southern NH and Windham County VT will never be its own market as long as it does not have more local Big 4 affiliates. And with CBS and FOX owning stations in Boston I don't see it happening in the near future. Heck when Southern NH had both a CBS and ABC affiliate the Boston stations were still being watched more than the Manchester/Concord/Derry stations. Channel 21 as a CBS affiliate was a dismal failure. NBC was so stupid for selling WNCN because the Raleigh-Durham-Fayetteville market is now larger than Hartford (where O&O WVIT resides) and San Diego (where virtual O&O KNSD resides) nowadays. They basically gave Media General a station to screw up (which they have since it's now flat in ratings) when they should have just sold the overlapping stations in Hartford and San Diego, which aren't considered rapidly growing markets. Raleigh-Durham will likely be in the top 20 in market size in the next 10 years, but NBC will still wonder why they didn't hold on to this property. Three words: Location, location, location, and Raleigh/Durham ain't the right location. Since when has NBC given a rodent's hiney about anything but the northeast and west coast? Hartford and San Diego are in their "core" territories and fit their desired demos. North Carolina (as well as their former O&O cities of Columbus and Birmingham) does not. Outside of #3 Chicago and #5 Dallas/Ft. Worth, NBC has no interest in Flyover Country. Miami is sometimes called "the 6th borough of New York City" so NBC's presence there isn't surprising. I'm surprised they didn't keep WJAR-TV Providence since they can't get into Boston. What exactly is Outlet Broadcasting, LLC anyways? I saw that at the end of WVIT-TV's newscast last night. Last I checked, WVIT-TV was still an NBC O&O. Don't know if they're related, but it was Outlet Broadcasting that originally bought the former WYED-TV 17/Goldsboro from Beasley Broadcast Group (that's right- WYED was the radio conglomerate's first and only TV station) in 1994. Outlet owned NBC affiliates WJAR/Providence and WCMH/Columbus at the time and won the Raleigh-Durham market NBC affiliation for their newly acquired channel 17 (which they renamed WNCN). NBC bought Outlet in 1995. All three stations were spun to Media General in 2008. Despite WNCN's being an NBC O&O, from 1995-2008, it was, as it is now even moreso under MG,

never a serious contender in this market, and NBC didn't really seem to put a lot of resources into trying to do so. Really the only signs NBC 17 was an O&O were the graphics packages and the copyright at the end of their newscasts. There was definitely a noticeable difference when compared to our market's ABC O&O, WTVD. Under Media General, the station went HD and has a new news set. MG did bring in their standard graphics package, but didn't outfit WNCN with one of their standard wide-number, crescent-style logos, they retained their somewhat hard-to-see logo from the NBC ownership days (likely due to the MG stations, with the standardized logo--now sanscrescent--in neighboring Roanoke/Lynchburg (WSLS), Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville (WNCT) and Florence/Myrtle Beach (WBTW) markets). I wonder why New Hampshire doesn't have its own TV market? Let me see if I remember this from my Research in Broadcasting class. Television markets are defined by viewership. In most cases the rating services take a county (or if the county is large or part of a county has different viewing patterns than another part of a county) and determines which area is most of the over-the-air viewership belongs to. In fact when Arbitron was rating local television markets they were called ADI's (Areas of Dominant Influence). New Hampshire has a couple of things going against it which I think will prevent it from becoming it's own television market. First of all there is only one station (WMUR) affiliated with the 'Big 4' networks. The remaining commercial stations are affiliated with Ion (a satellite of Boston's Ion O&O), Telemundo (owned by NBC but operated by ZGS - owners of the low power Telemundo station in Boston), and MyNetwork TV. Even when Southern NH had two affiliates (Ch 21 in Concord was a CBS affiliate in the late 1980's - while I was away at college) viewers still were watching the Boston stations more than NH. While WMUR is widely watched in the Granite State and was even back then... the Boston stations as a total were much more watched than the NH stations. And the chance of stations in NH affiliating with CBS and Fox are close to nil since CBS and Fox own stations in Boston. I am not even sure that NBC would want to make their station in Merrimack, NH an NBC O&O. The other thing NH has going against them is the majority of people moving into the state come from Massachusetts. Their viewing patters are closer to the Boston stations. That and what Southern NH has for stations right now really make it hard to make that area a market. When you get outside of Hillsborough and Rockingham counties... there is not another full power commercial station licensed in the state. WMUR has some translators in the North Country and there are some low power stations which Bill Binnie is putting together to create a statewide network (with the flagship being at WZMY in Derry). That is why two counties (Sullivan and Grafton) are part of the Burlington-Plattsburgh market and two other counties (Carrol and Coos) are in the Portland market.) It seemed to me NBC Universal just wanted a lump of cash when they sold 4 lower DMA ranked stations to Media General in 2006. I think they would have sold the Hartford and San Diego stations as well, neither in the top 10 status, to the right buyer interested in buying, and geography didn't matter. Notice Providence NBC 10 was sold even though it's in the Northeast. They pretty much were fine selling what they could and probably only cared about itsbig 10 markets and the cable assets. Now, with Comcast owning NBC, they likely would be open for buyers to buy their stations even stations in markets 4-20. Perhaps, the only ones they would keep coupled together would be WNBC KNBC and WMAQ. And even those, if they could be sold for the right price, they would be sold. Not that would happen, but, Tribune owns WPIX, KTLA and WGN, while not owning the network. In general, broadcast stations aren't as hot commodities as in the past, or as essential piece in the

distribution. I wonder why New Hampshire doesn't have its own TV market? Let me see if I remember this from my Research in Broadcasting class. Television markets are defined by viewership. In most cases the rating services take a county (or if the county is large or part of a county has different viewing patterns than another part of a county) and determines which area is most of the over-the-air viewership belongs to. In fact when Arbitron was rating local television markets they were called ADI's (Areas of Dominant Influence). New Hampshire has a couple of things going against it which I think will prevent it from becoming it's own television market. First of all there is only one station (WMUR) affiliated with the 'Big 4' networks. The remaining commercial stations are affiliated with Ion (a satellite of Boston's Ion O&O), Telemundo (owned by NBC but operated by ZGS - owners of the low power Telemundo station in Boston), and MyNetwork TV. Even when Southern NH had two affiliates (Ch 21 in Concord was a CBS affiliate in the late 1980's - while I was away at college) viewers still were watching the Boston stations more than NH. While WMUR is widely watched in the Granite State and was even back then... the Boston stations as a total were much more watched than the NH stations. And the chance of stations in NH affiliating with CBS and Fox are close to nil since CBS and Fox own stations in Boston. I am not even sure that NBC would want to make their station in Merrimack, NH an NBC O&O. The other thing NH has going against them is the majority of people moving into the state come from Massachusetts. Their viewing patters are closer to the Boston stations. That and what Southern NH has for stations right now really make it hard to make that area a market. When you get outside of Hillsborough and Rockingham counties... there is not another full power commercial station licensed in the state. WMUR has some translators in the North Country and there are some low power stations which Bill Binnie is putting together to create a statewide network (with the flagship being at WZMY in Derry). That is why two counties (Sullivan and Grafton) are part of the Burlington-Plattsburgh market and two other counties (Carrol and Coos) are in the Portland market.)

Two points of correction/clarification that I'd like to point out: 1) "Most" New Hampshire residents are NOT from Massachusetts. The majority are still natives and, although a solid percentage come from MA, the majority do not. Many of the transplants have come from other states such as CT, NY, NJ, PA and even ME. That comment is too rash of a generalization. Yes, sometimes it seems that way if you're from Salem or Nashua - but its not the case. As an aside, many say that NH has become more politically liberal thanks to the people moving in from MA. That's a myth; over half who've moved in from MA tend to vote more conservatively. NH is where Massachusetts' Republicans have gone. Now, the transplants from the Mid Atlantic region are overwhelmingly liberal. The comment is based on some research that the Nashua Telegraph did back in 2004. 2) I've seen a couple of citations about WNHT-21 as if that's proof positive that another network affiliate cannot exist in NH. Sorry, but that's absolute nonsense. The station was hobbled with a poor signal that didn't even cover Manchester well and could not be received clearly anywhere in southern NH. The owners didn't have nearly the funds to ride things out long enough for viewing habits to change - which can take some time. They lasted, what, 8 months? You have to have more start up $$$ than that! And (this is important), that was 1989! The state has 400,000 more

residents now. Most now have cable. Viewing habits are totally different. There's must-carry and negotiated channel positioning now (which did not exist then). No, I'm sorry but the WNHT thing means nothing. Had it been properly bankrolled and executed, it could have worked. It was neither. Look, if Springfield, MA (a much smaller and less affluent market) can support 4 commercial network outlets now, even with bigger Hartford and Boston market signals available on the market periphery, so can the southern half of New Hampshire. For decades, viewers in Springfield watched channel 3 from Hartford as their CBS. No more, now that Meredith's low powered WSHM supplanted it from cable. Talk about a bitter way to break a viewership habit!! A NH market would have a population of between 850,000 and 1,000,000 - depending on how it is divvied out. It is absolutely viable - and could immediately support a FOX affiliate. WFXT hardly comes in anywhere in NH anymore. With digital signals, most Boston stations' OTA signals have a harder time penetrating NH anyway. The whole thing makes sense. Springfield, MA also has their "FOX 6" service, referring to the analog cable channel number on most systems. It's actually WGGB-TV 40-2, a subchannel of their ABC affiliate. As far as I know, WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford is still available with Comcast of Springfield, just on an upper channel somewhere. Does WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 have any subchannels? MeTV coming soon to 9-2. - Trip Two PBS members in the Seattle area, KCTS 9 (Seattle) and KBTC 28 (Tacoma). -crainbebo The Outlet Company was a retail chain in Rhode island that would later branch into broadcasting in the 1920s. The Outlet Company sold off its department store chain in 1982, but kept broadcasting operations until 1996, when they sold off its three remaining TV stations, flagship WJAR Providence, WCMH Columbus and WNCN Raleigh/Durham, to NBC -- with Media General getting these three in 2006. More Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outlet_Company WVIT got the Outlet Broadcasting licensee in 1997, when NBC swapped the station with Viacom in exchange for LMAs of WLWC in Providence and WWHO in Columbus -- both stations owned by Fant Broadcasting, which was 20% owned by Outlet, with its share included in the deal of NBC's acquisition of the Outlet stations. Then again, according to FCC records, "NBC Telemundo License, LLC" is the actual licensee of WVIT, not Outlet Broadcasting. Miami is sometimes called "the 6th borough of New York City" so NBC's presence there isn't surprising. However, in 2008, NBC received FCC approval to sell WTVJ to Post-Newsweek, the owners of ABC affiliate WPLG -- the sale was possible because, according to the FCC, WTVJ was "not ranked among the top 4 stations in terms of audience share." The sale was cancelled by the end of 2008, due to poor economic conditions.

viewing habits to change - which can take some time. That's your key phrase here. A new operator would have to A) change viewing habits away from the Boston stations for NBC, CBS and Fox, and B) probably have to get the cable systems to dislodge the Boston stations from their lower channel placement. B happened in the tiny market of Wheeling WV/Steubenville OH, where WTRF/7 eventually got Comcast to bump existing ABC and Fox stations from Pittsburgh for its own subchannels carrying ABC and Fox. And that's another point. Any other networks would, these days, have to come to NH as subchannels of the only two full power stations, WMUR and WZMY. I don't know if Hearst or Mr. Binnie have any plans of adding "Fox NH" or "CBS NH". The Harrisburg-York-Lebanon-Lancaster PA market, up to 1983, had *three* CBS affiliates: 15WLYH in Lebanon, 21-WHP in Harrisburg, and 43-WSBA in York. They actually comprised something called the "Keystone Network" where all three stations aired the same local programming in pattern. 21 jumped out in the early 70's but 15 and 43 continued the arrangement (although they had their own newscasts) until September 1983. 43 was the first one to defect from CBS, going independent and changing their call letters to WPMT. They joined the FOX Network in 1986 and have been with them ever since. 15 stayed CBS all the way up until December 1995, when they joined UPN. They are now CW. Regarding WNHT. It could be argued that the plug was pulled too quickly. Most of their time with CBS was when I was at college in Upstate NY. If I remember they had some quality programming but most of it was still on the Boston stations (Wheel and Jeopardy come to mind.) We lived in Bedford and could get WNHT ok on the TV in my bedroom (which did not have cable.) Wasn't WNHT at that time owned by Flatley? They seemed to have enough money to run WSYT in Syracuse at the same time. I think the biggest obstacle to Southern NH becoming a DMA is the real need to have affiliations with CBS/NBC/FOX. If I am CBS or Fox do I want to have an affiliate going against my O&O for any part of the DMA viewership? I could possibly see NBC on a subchannel of WMUR as insurance against WHDH (especially since Sunbeam and NBC are not the best of friends and Hearst has a good relationship with NBC.) Getting a CBS or Fox affiliate is just not going to happen as long as both networks have O&O's in the market. Two PBS members in the Seattle area, KCTS 9 (Seattle) and KBTC 28 (Tacoma). That ain't as unusual as you think -- many parts of the country have two or more PBS stations, such as Los Angeles (KOCE, KLCS and, until recently, KCET), Chicago (WTTW, WYCC and WYIN), New York City (WNET, WLIW, Connecticut Public TV and NJN), Cincinnati (WCET, WPTO and KET station WCVN), Tampa Bay (WEDU and WUSF), Miami (WPBT and WLRN), Orlando (WDSC, WBCC and, until June, at least, WMFE), and Flint / Saginaw (WDCQ and WCMU), among many others. Charlotte has three PBS affiliates: WTVI; WNSC (SC ETV); WUNG (UNC-TV) Getting a CBS or Fox affiliate is just not going to happen as long as both networks have O&O's in the market.

Let me expand on that: Boston is still a top-10 TV market, and being a top-10 TV market makes those O&Os spectacularly valuable to their networks. Splitting off New Hampshire into its own separate market at this point would probably peel enough population out of the market to push it out of the top ten, either right away or eventually as other markets keep growing at a faster pace. So it's absolutely in Fox's and CBS's best interest to keep NH in the Boston market. (That's without even getting into the issue of political ads every four years; if NH were its own market, those political buys from NH wouldn't go to Boston stations, which would be a huge hit to their revenues.) And it's in Hearst's interest, too, since they get the best of both worlds - WCVB gets to be a top-10 outlet for them, and they get the separate NH ad revenue from WMUR. And it's in Sunbeam's interest, since they get NH ad revenue flowing to WHDH/WLVI and they get to claim top-10 status for both. And it's in the best interest of WZMY and WNEU, which get Boston-market cable and satellite carriage that they wouldn't get if NH were a separate market. Those stations would be far less valuable if they reached only NH viewers, even if they got big-4 affiliations in the process. In short, there's absolutely no motivation by any of the stations involved to split NH off as a separate market, and a lot of reasons for them to want to keep the status quo. It is related. Outlet Broadcasting was the licensee for the most of the lower market O&O stations except for WVTM, which was "Birmingham Broadcasting Company, LLC" WVTM was placed into a trust by New World (because they owned WBRC at the same time whom they spun off to Fox) before NBC bought them outright, but keep the licensee tag for their duration as an O&O. Oh yeah, Media General bought the 4 stations from NBCU in 2006 not 2008. I wished it was that recent tho... Undecided KECY 9 El Centro CA airs a network owned by the Big 4 on each of its subchannels: Fox on 9.1, ABC on 9.2, CW+ (partially owned by CBS) on 9.3 and Telemundo (owned by NBC) on 9.4. Charlotte has three PBS affiliates: WTVI; WNSC (SC ETV); WUNG (UNC-TV) Boston too... WGBH and WGBX (3 if you include NH Public Television.) So does Indianapolis: WFYI, WTIU, and WIPB, although the latter two don't cover the entire market, being 50 miles SSW and NE, respectively, from downtown Indy. And I thought I mentioned it here, but in another thread: Cleveland has two PBS affiliates - WVIZ/25 Cleveland and WEAO/49 Akron (the Cleveland/Akron market half of "Western Reserve PBS", also seen on Youngstown market WNEO/45 Alliance). Charlotte has three: WTVI/42, owned by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school board; WUNG/58 Concord, NC, part of UNC-TV; and WNSC/30 Rock Hill, SC, part of SCETV. Also WUNE/17 Linville, NC, also part of UNC-TV, is considered part of the Charlotte DMA. SCETV has three stations in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville market: WNTV/29 Greenville; WNEH/38 Greenwood, SC; WRET/49 Spartanburg. UNC-TV's WUNF/33 Asheville and WUNW/27 Canton, NC, are available in parts of the market.

Interestingly, Post-Newsweek owns two former Outlet stations: KSAT San Antonio and WKMG Orlando (the latter was WDBO when Outlet had it, and for the record the calls had nothing to do with Outlet; they stood for "Way Down By Orlando," first used in the 1930s by WDBO radio). Counting UNC-TV stations (or "transmitters" as the network refers to them, since they all show the exact same programming with no local origination), the Raleigh-Durham DMA has two public stations in the DMA, flagship WUNC-TV 4 in Chapel Hill and WUNP-TV 36 in Roanoke Rapids (one of two stations on RF 36 in the market, the other being WFPX in Fayetteville). Just outside the DMA, in the Florence/Myrtle Beach market is WUNU-TV 31 in Lumberton, which serves Fayetteville. While some on the periphery of the market "may" be able to get weak signals from SCETV's WJPM-TV 33 in Florence, Richmond's WCVE-TV 23, or Blue Ridge Public TV's WBRATV 15 in Roanoke, there isn't really a non-UNC-TV public TV alternative in Raleigh-Durham, as in Charlotte. Florence-Myrtle Beach gets two in-market PBS services: SCETV via Florence's WJPM and WHMC-TV 23 in Conway, as well as via UNC-TV's WUNU/Lumberton and WUNJ-TV 39, just outside of the DMA in Wilmington. Norfolk-Portmouth-Newport News has two distinct in-market PBS services: WHRO-TV 15/Hampton as well as UNC-TV's WUND-TV 2 in Edenton. ...multiple PBS affiliates: Milwaukee also has WMVS/v10 and WMVT/v36, and Tucson has KUATTV/v6 and KUAS-TV/v27, the latter pair duplicating programming on 6.1 and 27.1. When I lived in the Minneapolis-St. Paul market in 1986, there were also KTCA/2 and KTCI/17; both licenses are still active but KTCI appears to map to Channel 2.3 rather than 17.1, according to their Wikipedia listing... In analog days I could pick up WDBJ, WSLS, and WSET; I never picked up WBRA. And another case of multiple outlets of UNC-TV: Greenville/ New Bern/Washington: WUNK/25 Greenville and WUNM/19 Jacksonville (which serves New Bern). WUND, while by the way Nielsen divides the markets, is in the Norfolk market, but gets into parts of Greenville/New Bern/Washington; it was, in fact listed in the North Carolina edition of TV Guide rather than the Eastern Virginia one. Also, South Georgia/North Florida: WJCT Jacksonville and WXGA Waycross, GA. From the "More than one market" thread, I posted this message about Lima OH: It looks like WLIO/8 has NBC on 8.1 and Fox on 8.2, and WOHL-CD/35 has ABC on 35.1 and CBS on 35.2. This is despite the fact that WOHL(-LP) was the long-time call sign of the Fox affiliate. All are in HD, except for Fox on 8.2 for some reason. Two PBS members in the Seattle area, KCTS 9 (Seattle) and KBTC 28 (Tacoma). That ain't as unusual as you think -- many parts of the country have two or more PBS stations, such as Los Angeles (KOCE, KLCS and, until recently, KCET), Chicago (WTTW, WYCC and WYIN), New York City (WNET, WLIW, Connecticut Public TV and NJN), Cincinnati (WCET, WPTO and

KET station WCVN), Tampa Bay (WEDU and WUSF), Miami (WPBT and WLRN), Orlando (WDSC, WBCC and, until June, at least, WMFE), and Flint / Saginaw (WDCQ and WCMU), among many others. Boston too... WGBH and WGBX (3 if you include NH Public Television.) Burlington/Plattsburgh too... WETK (and satellites/translators) Burlington and WCFE, Plattsburgh Bowling Green, KY has three PBS affiliates for the area as well: WKYU (Western Kentucky University), WKGB (KET), and WNPT (Nashville). Bowling Green also has two CBS affiliates, as Nashville's WTVF has been supplanted a CBS subchannel on Bowling Green's WNKY. Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville had two ABC affiliates for years in the '50s, '60s, and '70s: WLOS/13 Asheville and WAIM/40 Anderson, SC. In the '90s 40 was a satellite of WLOS briefly. I used to buy a TV Guide when I would go to the mountains and WAIM was listed as a CBS affiliate as well. I have a TV Guide from the days when WTVD and WRDU split up CBS and NBC programming and CBS shows aired on WRDU too, at weird times. I can only assume they were there because they didn't air on WTVD. I need to pull out that TV Guide sometime and put the schedule here. In analog days I could pick up WDBJ, WSLS, and WSET; I never picked up WBRA. Major funding from Victoria's Secret. In 1970 that market had two ABC affiliates. WRFT, channel 27, is now the Fox station. I watched WLVA, which is now WSET. Actually, I should say listened. WGHP occasionally pre-empted "The Partridge Family" and I was so happy to actually see as well as hear when the episodes were rerun. WDBJ, on the other hand, had a perfect signal and I could see "Tom and Jerry" in its normal slot when WFMY ran "Oral Roberts". "Something good is going to happen to you ..." WAIM always carried a few CBS programs, especially when ABC was down, in the late '50s/early '60s and again in the late '70s. From the late '60s at the latest well into the '70s it carried mostly CBS programs, although it did, in the '70s, carry ABC News at 6 and CBS News at 6:30. WRDU was a lot like WBMG in Birmingham; both stations got the CBS and NBC castoffs from the VHF (WTVD and WAPI), although WRDU was always considered a primary NBC affiliate and WBMG a primary CBS one. We know from records of FCC proceedings that it was WRDU that forced WTVD to choose one network; that also applied to WAPI, with TVD going with CBS and API with NBC. WRFT actually lasted a lot longer than I thought; I have one TV Guide from 1971 with its listings but the station started in the mid-'60s, as I think someone on this board once told me. I don't remember why WGHP occasionally pre-empted "The Partridge Family" (I wasn't living in North Carolina when it was on ABC) but I know it used to carry it and "The Brady Bunch" back-to-back in the afternoons.

Also, of the three CBS affiliates in the Central Virginia Edition of TV Guide in the '60s and '70s WTVD was the only one that would have cleared all of CBS's Sunday-morning programming: the cartoons, "Lamp Unto My Feet," "Look Up And Live," "Camera Three," and "Face The Nation." IIRC, Capital Cities had a policy against "paid religion" (like Oral Roberts, who came on WRAL in the Triangle) and TVD could still earn some FCC brownie points with the CBS block minus the cartoons. Also, South Georgia/North Florida: WJCT Jacksonville and WXGA Waycross, GA. A little late in the reply but... GPTV covers the entire Georgia/Florida state line very well. Besides WJCT and WXGA covering Jacksonville and South East Georgia there's also WFSU and WABW covering Tallahassee and South West Georgia. In fact, the original DT CP for GPTV's WABW would have had the station competing for viewers in Tallahassee from a tower in Florida (along side most other Tallahassee network affiliates) but GPTV never went through with building it out and WABW wound up using the old analog tower site to better serve the fine people of the great state of Georgia. Not far to the west in the Mobile/Pensacola TV market (DMA #60?) we also have two PBS stations, WSRE and WEIQ, both broadcasting from towers about 10 miles apart. Strangely though, Alabama Public Television does NOT compete for viewers on the Florida side of the state line and is the only full power TV station in this market that has never been carried on cable in Florida (I don't have a clue why WEIQ/APTV does not enforce "must carry" on Florida cable systems in the Mobile DMA). On the other hand, Pensacola's WSRE-DT is now broadcasting from a tower in Alabama. Since WSRE produces and provides local area programing, unlike Alabama's statewide APTV network, Pensacola, Florida's WSRE is becoming the preferred PBS station for South West Alabama and during PBS pledge drives WSRE should be making a significant dent in APTV donations from Alabama's second largest TV market (and possibly the most affluent TV market, unless that honor goes to Huntsville.) The Florida PBS stations, WJCT, WFSU, and WSRE all all independent PBS stations affiliated with state colleges in Florida. Most south-eastern states, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc...have a statewide PBS network. Even though there are a few stations that simulcast (ie. WFSU Tallahassee/WFSG Panama City Beach), Florida does not have a statewide PBS network. I don't know why. Also, South Georgia/North Florida: WJCT Jacksonville and WXGA Waycross, GA. A little late in the reply but... GPTV covers the entire Georgia/Florida state line very well. Besides WJCT and WXGA covering Jacksonville and South East Georgia... Though I believe the Comcast system in Jacksonville never carried WXGA, opting instead for Gainesville PBS station WUFT. Cable systems in the Georgia portion of the market carry WXGA and WJCT, however. ...there's also WFSU and WABW covering Tallahassee and South West Georgia. In fact, the original DT CP for GPTV's WABW would have had the station competing for viewers in Tallahassee from a tower in Florida (along side most other Tallahassee network affiliates) but GPTV never went through with building it out and WABW wound up using the old analog tower site to better serve the fine people of the great state of Georgia. Nevertheless, the Comcast system in Tallahassee does offer both WFSU and WABW. Pensacola's WSRE-DT is now broadcasting from a tower in Alabama. Since WSRE produces and

provides local area programing, unlike Alabama's statewide APTV network, Pensacola, Florida's WSRE is becoming the preferred PBS station for South West Alabama and during PBS pledge drives WSRE should be making a significant dent in APTV donations from Alabama's second largest TV market (and possibly the most affluent TV market, unless that honor goes to Huntsville.) If so, WSRE is doing it without the support of cable viewers in Mobile -- according to zap2it, neither Comcast nor Mediacom in Mobile offer WSRE -- only WEIQ. I thought that WSRE-DT might have the largest coverage area of any Mobile DMA TV station so I started looking online for a coverage map before I posted (WEAR has the largest coverage area, WSRE isn't much smaller). I found a coverage map on the WSRE website with a note that they were carried on cable systems from Destin, Florida to south east Mississippi. I never thought to look at the actual cable lineups... I know that WSRE has been on cable on the Eastern Shore of Mobile bay for decades (WSRE never had an analog OTA signal in that area.) Mediacom in Santa Rosa county Florida carries the SD feed of APTV but it has never been listed on any channel lineups and it doesn't show up at all if you have a cable box, you have to hook up a regular QAM tuner to cable in order to pick up the station... so as usual, not all published channel lineups are correct... most are probably out of date. A little off topic, but I just spent some time to look it up so I'll post it. The easiest way I can think of to gauge which Alabama community is the most affluent is by median household income. Mobile, AL - $37,439 Huntsville, AL - $41,074 Birmingham, AL - $26,735 Looks like those NASA folks way up in Huntsville win. Birmingham is obviously the largest city in the state and their TV DMA is absolutely huge, covering about 1/3 of the state. Mobile is the second largest city. I doubt Huntsville is the third largest city... Montgomery probably is, but outside Alabama government, there's no money in the Gump. You can't gauge a TV market based on its central city's median income. If that was the case there would be poor ranking markets. Phoenix in the fall of 1994 is a historic example of the very weird. It was one of the hardest hit victims of the 1994 affiliate switcheroos. -ABC programs were split between two stations: KTVK, the longtime incumbent, and KNXV, who would be the full station for ABC starting in 1995. Programs were floating over from one to the other. Good Morning America and the ABC primetime lineup aired on two different stations in Phoenix for the last three months of 1994, as KTVK opted to go local in the mornings. -The Arizona Cardinals were a staple of KSAZ since their 1988 inception. But now many of their games were on KNXV, which also still was the Fox affiliate, or on KPNX when AFC teams came to town, or on KTVK (which still carried ABC's sports shows) if they appeared on Monday Night Football. KSAZ took Fox on December 11, so some games in the 1994 season did air there. (To this day KTVK airs ESPN's Monday Night Football matchups if they feature the Cardinals. They also aired one of the Coyotes playoff games (they got swept in round one) this year.) -CBS settled in with KPHO, once a regional independent. KPHO had a pre-switch news department, unlike KNXV, but it had to expand big time from producing 11:30 and 9:30pm newscasts to a full suite of shows. -KNXV had to launch news, too. They were building a very different newscast, intended to match

the feel of the Fox network, but those plans went out the window fast. "News 15" launched on August 1, 1994, with a news staff three times the planned size. -CBS didn't want to move during the season, and Fox wouldn't come to KSAZ until December 11. KSAZ ran movies in primetime as the independent station, and it, too, was expanding. "Arizona Prime News", the first 9pm newscast in the Valley*, debuted probably as soon as CBS left. -NBC stuck with KPNX, which had recently overhauled its image in a bid to become "Arizona's News Station". The fact that there was no change in affiliation plus NBC's strengths after the switch nationwide soared it to first place in the news ratings from a perennial third-runner. KPNX had some 50 consecutive 10pm sweeps victories from 1996 to 2008, when the decline of the NBC network, plus the retirements of good reporters and staff, sent it back. *There had been historical attempts to run 9pm news in other parts of the state. KZAZ-Nogales, which would become KMSB and a Fox affiliate, had a 9pm news from 1967 to 1984. The news was one hour, and later once the station bought a satellite downlink and began airing INN news 30 minutes. ProJo bought it in 1984 and closed the news department. This was the first modern 9pm news in Arizona KPHO's aired at 9:30, remember. I don't think KTVK's came on the air until more recently. Today's Midwest/Mid-South severe weather and today's "Oprah" finale (& Idol) One of my colleagues at work remarked that he had heard an unconfirmed report that the St. Louis Oprah affiliate, KSDK-5, was going to rebroadcast today's Oprah finale tomorrow due to the frequent severe weather cut-ins (if not going wall-to-wall weather) during the program. But I have not seen an official statement to that effect on KSDK's website. Anyway, do you know (or live in) any markets where today's final episode of Oprah was preempted/bumped due to wall-to-wall severe weather coverage with the latest severe weather/tornado outbreak this afternoon (including two "Particularly Dangerous Situation" tornado watches in cities including St. Louis, Memphis, Paducah and Little Rock)? And if so, will they be rebroadcasting Oprah's finale tomorrow (or another time) or were there some markets where part of the final episode went unseen due to weather coverage? And with American Idol's season finale now underway as severe weather now bears down on the likes of Indy, Louisville, Nashville and Cincinnati, are there (or could there be) any markets where Fox affiliates with news departments have gone wall-to-wall weather during Idol? And if so, could they rebroadcast Idol in its entirety at another time? WBRC-6 in Birmingham repeated American Idol the next afternoon at 3.30 p.m. after they were wall-to-wall with weather coverage on 4/27. Of course, they, like the other stations in the market, spent all of Wednesday covering the storms that hit Birmingham, Tuscaloosa and central Alabama. WTOL-TV in Toledo is showing the final show one day late because of severe weather coverage on Wednesday. hey Tim, i got your answer ----> Severe storms forecast for this afternoon could interrupt the final "Oprah Winfrey Show," but KSDK has a plan. The regular middle-of-the-night repeat will air as scheduled, but the station has also obtained permission from the syndicator to air the final episode at 4 p.m. Thursday if necessary, replacing the rerun scheduled for that hour. Unfortunately, anyone who wanted to record and memorialize the final "Oprah" today will almost certainly have to do so with a weather map and "first alert" crawl taking up a big chunk of the

screen. http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/gail-pennington/article_0c94f782-86f9-11e094b8-001a4bcf6878.html I looked online for Oprah's last show. They don't allow the show to be seen on Hulu and the like. But I did see a 6 minute snip...........and it was ok, but no super duper guests like the other two shows this week had. It was in the studio instead of the Chicago center also. The Tuesday show was the best of the 3 I thought. WTVW gave soon-to-be-former partner FOX the finger tonight. Their news department typically does not go wall-to-wall weather, but they did during "Idol" - ironically starting during the time period when their two competitors (WFIE, WEHT) were both briefly off the air. They will air the finale of "Idol" in its entirety tomorrow after the late local news. On Wednesday, Little Rock viewers expecting to watch the final Oprah Winfrey show got a special presentation of Mother Nature on the Rag... Roll Eyes http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/Station_to_Station/32386KATV_Little_Rock_Pre_empts_Oprah_Finale_With_Storm_Coverage.php Per B&C, like KSDK, the finale is scheduled to be (re-)broadcast today at 4 PM local time; it had already aired (for the first time) in its usual overnight rerun time slot. I just saw an ad this morning on KDFW/4 that due to storm coverage, they would make the Glee finale available on the station's website viewable for free (apparently not showing it on TV later). Doesn't hulu usually make recent episodes of most Fox series available for online viewing after broadcast? I thought about that after I saw the ad, but they made it sound like it was some special arrangement or something. If it was so special, they'd rerun it on the air, not just later on Hulu. WDRB/Louisville ran Idol, but sister station WMYO (My Network TV) carrried wall-to-wall severe weather coverage from WDRB. At 10:07 after Idol signed off, WDRB began its 10:00 newscast, which was still dominated by the severe weather coverage. WDRB/WMYO did not drop the severe weather coverage until Midnight. Stations That Abandoned Virtual Channels There aren't that many of 'em, but some stations have abandoned their old analog/virtual channel number, and gone for their new RF channel number in the digital age. Canton, OH (Cleveland market): WOAC/67, which used virtual channel 67 in digital land running infomercials, has become WRLM/47 under religious network TCT's ownership. Lima, OH: WLIO/35 (NBC) took its RF channel 8 number for PSIP, though they brand now as "NBC Lima". The other three network affiliates are now co-owned, with Fox on WLIO/8.2, ABC on WOHLCD/35.1 and CBS on WOHL-CD/35.2. I would like to see stations use their RF channel number over their virtual analog channel number. WYIN Gary, IN normally doesn't use a channel number in their branding, but during station ID's, it lists WYIN DT 17 Gary/Merrillville. Their former analog channel is 56m which they use for the PSIP. Other than that and station identification, they only refer to themselves as Lakeshore Public Television. They'd rather ID with 17 than 56, because they want people to know they're on 17. Not

only that, most cable systems have WYIN on 17 (those not on 17 have them on 21). Prior to WLS-TV changing RF 7 to a translator, they were the only station in Chicago that could legally use 7 for the virtual number, since they returned to RF 7 on June 12th, 2009, since RF 52 was out of core. Had 52 not been out of core, I'm not sure they would have returned to RF 7. I don't see WLS-TV giving up use 7 in their channel, since they've been channel 7 since 1953 as WENR. ...WENR-TV signed on with Channel 7 on 17 September 1948. It was in 1953 that they switched call signs to WBKB, adopting the name and State Street studio location that had been abandoned by the current-day WBBM-TV when they moved from Channel 4 to Channel 2 and acquired a new location on McClurg Court. Prior to that, WENR-TV had shared facilities with WMAQ-TV/5 in the Merchandise Mart... The ATSC standard, which is incorporated by reference into the FCC regulations, requires WYIN to use virtual channel 56. However, there is no regulation as to what they call themselves on the audio/video streams. (although it certainly would seem to be confusing to call yourself channel 17 but require viewers to punch up 56 to watch your station! Unless WYIN is on channel 17 on cable?) Let's assume there was no channel remapping, and you wanted to watch "60 Minutes" on WBBMTV over an antenna. You would punch up: - pre-transition, analog: 02 - During transition, analog: 02 digital: 03 - After transition, digital: 12, unless you use an indoor antenna in the city proper in which case 26 might work better. But don't use either 3, 12, or 26 if you have cable -- you'll get something else. (Oh, and you have to remember that 26 isn't WCIU anymore, and if you're up around Zion, 12 is now CBS and not ABC. ABC is now only on 7 -- or maybe 44? and/or 34? ) It could get even more confusing. In LA, if you wanted to watch something on channel 9, during transition it would be channel 43, but after transition it was channel 9 again -- and if you forgot and punched in 43, you'd get channel 2 instead. If you wanted to watch channel 2, it was channel 2, then 60, and then 43 which your TV might tell you was actually 9. Isn't it a lot easier if WBBM is channel 2 regardless of when you want to watch and regardless of which transmitter delivers the best signal? The other thing to consider is the need to keep virtual channels unique. What happens if stations are allowed to choose to use their RF channel as their virtual channel? Well, imagine if WLS decided to use their RF channel 44 as their virtual channel. Telemundo's WSNS was RF 44 in analog -- and is entitled to use virtual 44. Poof: you have *two* channel 44s. How TVs will handle that will vary, but I think in most cases when you punched in 44 on the remote, you'd get WLS (being on a lower RF channel); if you wanted Telemundo, you'd always have to start on WLS & then hit channel-up. Quote Prior to WLS-TV changing RF 7 to a translator, they were the only station in Chicago that could legally use 7 for the virtual number, since they returned to RF 7 on June 12th, 2009, since RF 52 was out of core. Had 52 not been out of core, I'm not sure they would have returned to RF 7. I don't see WLS-TV giving up use 7 in their channel, since they've been channel 7 since 1953 as WENR.[/color] None of that would have mattered...

For stations that had an analog signal (nearly all of them), their analog channel is the ONLY thing that determines what their post-transition digital channel should be. WLS-TV would have been virtual channel 7 regardless of whether they were on RF 7, RF 44, RF 4, or anywhere else. Bottom line is, current FCC regulations require stations adhere to the standard, in order to ensure unique virtual channels. Violations are by no means unheardof. (we have one here in the Nashville market) As long as nobody complains, the FCC probably won't bother sanctioning anybody. (and as long as there are no duplicate virtual channels, chances are the FCC won't find out) There aren't that many of 'em, but some stations have abandoned their old analog/virtual channel number, and gone for their new RF channel number in the digital age. Canton, OH (Cleveland market): WOAC/67, which used virtual channel 67 in digital land running infomercials, has become WRLM/47 under religious network TCT's ownership. Lima, OH: WLIO/35 (NBC) took its RF channel 8 number for PSIP, though they brand now as "NBC Lima". The other three network affiliates are now co-owned, with Fox on WLIO/8.2, ABC on WOHLCD/35.1 and CBS on WOHL-CD/35.2. First of all, I'll save myself the trouble of making the virtual channel argument, as I've already done that on RabbitEars: http://www.rabbitears.info/blog/index.php?post/2010/04/07/Opinion%3AVirtual-Channel-Numbers TCT followed the WOAC lead in Greensboro where WLXI (roman numerals for 61) is now 43-x. Other examples that come to mind are the Sainte stations, KBVU-28 (analog 29), KCVU-20 (analog 30), and KVIQ-17 (analog 6). KAIL was analog 53, maps to its digital 7-1. KCEN dropped 6-1 in favor of 9-1, but then returned to 6-1 a year later. Others: WMCN-44, WNVT-30 (WNVC-24, formerly analog 56, also maps to 30-x now), WRNN-48, KWDK-42. WACX (analog 55) was mapping to 40-1 until WWSB-24 (40-1) complained. The FCC ordered WACX back to 55-1. - Trip WACX (analog 55) was mapping to 40-1 until WWSB-24 (40-1) complained. The FCC ordered WACX back to 55-1. - Trip And that, as w9wi said, is pretty much the way it works now: the FCC's not out there actively enforcing stations' use of the correct (per ATSC standards) virtual channel numbers - but they'll step in if someone complains. For most stations that were out of core for analog, there's no conflict and thus no reason for anyone to complain, which is how WRLM and WLXI and WMCN and WRNN and KWDK all get away with it. I would imagine that if KGO felt there was any possibility for conflict, it could force KAIL back to 53x, but the potential for overlap between the SF and Fresno markets is so very small that there's no real issue. Note that the new channel 5 Seaford, Delaware will be mandated to use virtual channel 36 at the

behest of WTTG in Washington (RF 36/virtual 5), which was concerned about the potential for confusion from a new virtual 5 with overlapping coverage. It will be interesting to see what the FCC does with the LPTV digital conversion. If digital LPTVs are not mandated to follow the ATSC major virtual channel standard, there will be the possibility of conflict in some markets. In Eureka,California CBS 6 KVIQ became CBS 17, and Fox 29 became Fox 28 I agree it's better to simply drop the virtual channel numbers. I have had enormous trouble in Chicago with channel 44. On my computer DTV tuners and on TV tuners. For some odd reason the tuners have huge issues with WSNS on channel 45 mapping to 44. This is very problematic, as WLS is now on channels 44 and 7. You do the scan and it will be fine, then for no reason it'll switch. Suddenly WSNS is on channel 45 and WLS is on channel 44 and 7. I will be watching WLS on my neighbors TV and it's fine. Then I turn it off and back on and suddenly the signal is all weak and broken. Sure enough it's the weaker LP channel 7 and not the RF WLS from 44 being mapped to channel 7. The tuners are not made to cope. It would also put pressure on the FCC to adopt standards and stop this translator fill in nonsense. Obviously a TV station would fight tooth and nail to get a proper channel. The TV stations don't care now, as long as they can map to their virtual channel. This means instead of going to the FCC and saying, "Look we need to fix this problem," they simply throw up an additional LP translator. The channel branding is a weak argument, as consumers easily adapt to new channels. They do it on dish systems, cable systems, and the big affiliation switches in the 90s. It didn't keep anyone from finding their shows for more than a few minutes. It's was the same old excuse for area codes, well people griped and in two minutes they adjusted. Branding is not a strong reason for TV networks. I have been trying vainly to find out why WMBF doesn't map to its analog channel Wink WMBF was a new NBC affilate in Myrtle Beach which launched sometime in Aug of 2008 with only digital. Their digital channel is 32. They never started a analog due to the soon switch to all digital. If I were WMBF I would map it to 10 as WMBF was placed on cable 10 which used to be home to WIS on many cable systems. WABG (RF 32) Greenwood-Greenville MS virtual channel 6-2 (FOX) brands itself as "Fox 10 Mississippi" because WABG got most of that area's cable channels+Dish Network to carry that channel on "Channel 10". Those affiliation switches were concerning. Actually, that makes for a good historical example in another thread... There were some COMPLICATED switches in that one. A channel number swap (WTVJ/WCIXWFOR), the "independent affiliation" moving (Phoenix), the loss of two TV markets (Alabama), one where CBS was sent into proverbial outer space (WWJ Detroit)... Wow, my thread has inspired a list on Trip's RabbitEars. Cheesy Trip, if you're including LD/CD stations (I forgot about WNEO's W44CR-D), should WLIO sister

station WOHL-CD Lima be on the list? They map to their RF channel 35 (WLIO's old analog number), and were analog 25 back in the analog days as "Fox Lima". I think they were "Fox 25" at one point. WLIO/Block bought them not long before all these digital changes. The programming has changed...Block moved "Fox Lima" over to WLIO 8.2, and WOHL-CD actually carries ABC and CBS now. But I'm pretty sure the WOHL-CD license comes out of the old analog WOHL. I tried to only list LP stations that looked like they might be in violation of the rules. WYFX-LD, for instance, has no legitimate claim for mapping to 19-1. WOHL-CD, however, does have a legitimate claim to 35-1 since it's a virtual channel held by the same ownership group that owns WLIO, which should be mapping to 35-1. Oh, except for W44CR-D, which I listed just because I happened to know its analog channel off the top of my head. Full-powered stations, though, I didn't make that distinction. Don't I have the most wonderful sense of consistency? Grin - Trip KTTW (TV17 analog), a Fox affiliate in Sioux Falls, SD, abandnoed it's virtual channel and branding, moving to DTV 7 and changing branding from Fox 17 to "Fox 7". -crainbebo Networks and Small-Market Affiliates In the current Fox/Boise/Evansville thread, and in other threads, it's been suggested that networks might not want to affiliate with stations not in the top 100 markets. Not being in the business, perhaps I'm missing something here: why not? If I have an opportunity to have a presence in a market I'm not currently in, even if it's - say - Glendive, why wouldn't I? What would I be losing affiliating with a small-market station? Just curious. I suppose there is some modest expense to the network in servicing an affiliate -- clerical costs, if nothing else. Seems to me it'd be pretty modest. Might a network that's having trouble obtaining national OTA clearance find it easier/cheaper to get slots on cable in places where no OTA affiliate is possible, if they agree their network will be exclusively cable-delivered in other markets served by the same MSO where an OTA affiliate might be possible? Just speculating. MyNet and The CW have gone the Cable-Only route in some small markets. I dont know if any of the big four should though The CW 100+ group still exists, but with digital subchannels I think most 100+ stations are now OTA subchannels and very few are left as cable only A lot of times ads are sold in market blocks. For instance, an ad company might buy time in the top ten markets only.

This is important, because there may be little difference between the actual numbers in the tenth market and the eleventh market. But if ad agencies are going to cut off the eleventh market, it will hurt number 11. So you can see if the market is small enough, say under #100 ad agencies may not be interested at all. It is by taking all these under #100 markets together that they can be sold as one. In some cases, it's to enlarge or preserve the enlarged viewing area of another market station. In the case of Monterey-Salinas, ABC could collect the retransmission revenue via KGO with cable companies, so there was little incentive to offer one of the Monterey area Low power stations the affiliation. Recently, KSBW picked up the affiliation on a subchannel, but note KSBW is owned by Hearst, which is one of ABC's biggest station group and co-partners on many JV including ESPN and Lifetime. Similarly in Salisbury, MD, NBC could affiliate to WRDE-LP, but hasn't. The likely reason is WBAL, owned by Hearst, is a good partner with NBC. Hearst chooses to renew its network affiliation with NBC in Baltimore, rather than switching to ABC. Likely, Hearst wants a mix of NBC and ABC affiliates in its top market stations, which helps hedge against if either were to nose dive to the CW status level. In Monterey/Salinas, I'm surprised none of the LPTVs picked up ABC. Did it cost too much? KGO could collect retrans money from Comcast in that region. ABC didn't want to give that up, but is willing to give it up for Hearst KSBW, which now has the rights, since Hearst is a valued affiliate member. A lot of times ads are sold in market blocks. For instance, an ad company might buy time in the top ten markets only. This is important, because there may be little difference between the actual numbers in the tenth market and the eleventh market. But if ad agencies are going to cut off the eleventh market, it will hurt number 11. So you can see if the market is small enough, say under #100 ad agencies may not be interested at all. It is by taking all these under #100 markets together that they can be sold as one. Markets #101-210 together have about the same number of viewers as #1-3 (NY, LA, Chicago) combined - about 15% of the total. But how many advertisers court the small towns? Makers of pickup trucks, farm equipment, Blue Bell ice cream, and maybe a few others, but not many in comparison to those who actively seek the young, affluent, urban/suburban folks in and near the big cities - especially those on the coasts. The only important markets in Flyover Country are Chicago, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, and Atlanta since they are in the Top 10. It goes back in the early '70s, when shows like The Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Ed Sullivan, and Lawrence Welk were cancelled due to being too old- and rural-oriented. From what I remember from those days, the advertisers and their agencies didn't care about that audience. They wanted young, wealthy, and hip, not old, poor, and decrepit. That wasn't and isn't exactly true

(I'm sure there are/were some young millionaires in Grand Junction, Wausau, and Bangor), but perception is reality. That's why I've said for years - and I hope I'm wrong - that NBC and Fox will be the first networks to throw in the small-market OTA sponge. This isn't the 1960s or earlier. It's not important that their programming "plays in Peoria" - it has to play in midtown Manhattan, and Beverly Hills. The national advertisers and their agencies don't care about Peoria. Peoria's along for the ride. At least, this is the impression that I've gotten during my adult life (almost 40 years), based on watching, reading, and having the occasional conversations with advertising-agency folks that I ran into during my years in Chicago. I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind, although I really hope to. Keith, you keep banging that drum in the face of documented evidence to the contrary. Ever since the big digital switch, more and more little markets are being served by local affiliates of ALL networks. The trend is in that direction and not contrary. That's just how it is, no matter how you think it "should" be. Look at most big websites they tend to skew the marketing towards Seattle and San Jose like Google, Facebook and Craigslist. but in TV if a satellite provider like Dish and Directv does not get the rights to air the Local Small market stations Dish would provide Local Tv Station from San Francisco or NYC to be in its tv package like KTVU, KGO ,KPIX and KNTV. For Directv its from LA and NYC like KABC, KTTV, KNBC and KCBS or WNYW,WABC, WNBC and WCBS. Also Dish airs KTLA, and WPIX for areas without A CW station. There's not much space between #11 (Detroit) and #12 (Phoenix) and the latter is pretty much guaranteed a promotion but there's a lot of room between those two and #10 (Houston). Salisbury already has an ABC affiliate, WMDT. There are two reasons WBAL is an NBC affiliate: (1) it lost CBS to WJZ when Group W bought the Eye Network; (2) WMAR, which was the NBC affiliate, switched to ABC as part of a deal to keep WEWS and WXYZ in the Alphabet Network fold--Scripps-Howard switched it and three other stations (WCPO from CBS, WFTS and KNXV from Fox). So if ABC wants to keep the Scripps-Howard stations in Cleveland and Detroit in the fold, it has to make sure WMAR and the other three don't leave the network. Thus WBAL does not get ABC (and while I'm on the subject Salisbury also has a CBS affiliate, WBOC). One thing Hearst does not have: a major-market CBS affiliate; its largest market with CBS is Louisville. ...and before that, you have to go back to 1977 and WISN-TV/12 Milwaukee dumping CBS to go back to ABC... Salisbury already has an ABC affiliate, WMDT. There are two reasons WBAL is an NBC affiliate: (1) it lost CBS to WJZ when Group W bought the Eye Network; (2) WMAR, which was the NBC affiliate, switched to ABC as part of a deal to keep WEWS and WXYZ in the Alphabet Network fold--Scripps-Howard switched it and three other stations (WCPO from CBS, WFTS and KNXV from Fox). So if ABC wants to keep the Scripps-Howard stations in Cleveland and Detroit in the fold, it has to make sure WMAR and the other three don't leave the network. Thus WBAL does not get ABC (and while I'm on the subject Salisbury also has a CBS affiliate, WBOC). One thing Hearst does not have: a major-market CBS affiliate; its largest market with CBS is Louisville. Hearst is more relevant to Disney than Scripps. Hearst has Boston (trumps Detroit), JVs with

Disney for ESPN and Lifetime, and the stations it operates are generally #1 or #2 respectively. Detroit is large, but not as significant as in the past, and even less so for Cleveland, which is in decline, and the DMA is compromised of Cleveland (decline) and Akron-Canton. While the Scripps demands for Cleveland and Detroit had relevancy 15 or so years ago, I doubt it still holds now. I'm sure if Hearst/WBAL wanted ABC, arrangements could be done at a time ABC was up for renewal on WMAR, and Scripps would yield on that front and go with NBC. WMAR is a distant #3 between WBAL and WJZ, and Scripps doesn't put a lot of investment into WMAR anyways to try to make it a #2 atleast. But, WBAL likely enjoys that NBC is willing not to affiliate with anybody in Salisbury, which lets WBAL collect the retransmission from Comcast and Fios, and Hearst anyways wants a mix of NBC in their portfolio of stations. If NBC were to tank as a network, it'd be another story though. With Comcast owning NBC, it may change the situation, and Comcast could operate a cable-only NBC feed, perhaps one originated from WRC, like how ABC/KGO operated one for Monterey. Hearst is more relevant to Disney than Scripps. Hearst has Boston (trumps Detroit), JVs with Disney for ESPN and Lifetime, and the stations it operates are generally #1 or #2 respectively. Detroit is large, but not as significant as in the past, and even less so for Cleveland, which is in decline, and the DMA is compromised of Cleveland (decline) and Akron-Canton. While the Scripps demands for Cleveland and Detroit had relevancy 15 or so years ago, I doubt it still holds now. I'm sure if Hearst/WBAL wanted ABC, arrangements could be done at a time ABC was up for renewal on WMAR, and Scripps would yield on that front and go with NBC. WMAR is a distant #3 between WBAL and WJZ, and Scripps doesn't put a lot of investment into WMAR anyways to try to make it a #2 atleast. But, WBAL likely enjoys that NBC is willing not to affiliate with anybody in Salisbury, which lets WBAL collect the retransmission from Comcast and Fios, and Hearst anyways wants a mix of NBC in their portfolio of stations. If NBC were to tank as a network, it'd be another story though. With Comcast owning NBC, it may change the situation, and Comcast could operate a cable-only NBC feed, perhaps one originated from WRC, like how ABC/KGO operated one for Monterey. To elaborate since I can't modify the post, a cable-only NBC with Delmarva specific advertising with newscasts however from WRC. DirecTV is providing the Salisbury local stations but provides WCAU from Philadelphia. Lower Delaware naturally receives WCAU on cable with WBAL, while the MD counties receive WRC and WBAL. Comcast and Fios provide WBAL-HD with WBAL as the primary NBC. I think WBAL edges out WRC/WCAU because by distance Baltimore is about 5-20 miles closer as the crow flies to the main cities: Seaford, Salisbury, Ocean City etc. than DC or Philly are to those cities. By all major points, Baltimore is the same distance or less than Philly or DC. As I unerstand it, WRC/4 DC and WCAU/10 Philly are NBC O&O's. Another question is does WBAL/11 Baltimore (Hearst) run the entire NBC schedule? Over a week ago, I found out that WMDT/47 Salisbury (ABC) has added a third subchannel, and it will no doubt become an NBC outlet (WMDT-DT3). As far as I know, the station will probably start up in late May/early June. Please also keep in mind that WMDT also carries CW on DT2. WMDT 47.3 as an NBC affiliate would certainly simplify this discussion.

Back to WMAR, even in the days before Scripps owned it, it was the poor relation in Baltimore. I know the official reason CBS dropped it in 1981 was its extensive coverage of Orioles games, but I remember seeing numbers in Broadcasting magazine in the 1970s which showed WMAR far behind even WBAL, then (as now) affiliated with a weak NBC (WJZ was way ahead of both, as was ABC at the time). So while I see the logic in ABC's moving to WBAL, I think it would take a lot for NBC to give it up again and wind up back on the weakest of the three. Interestingly, to me at least, Scripps hasn't really done much in the Sun Belt: Phoenix and Tampa, yes (don't know if they're still in West Palm Beach) but Hearst is in Orlando (WESH), Greenville, SC (WYFF), Winston-Salem, NC (WXII), and I suppose you could count Oklahoma City (KOCO). The two companies which really seem to have a dominance in the Sun Belt, even if not necessarily in the biggest markets (argue with me, guys) are Media General (Tampa, Raleigh, and Greenville/Spartanburg/ Asheville) and Raycom (all over the place, including Charlotte). Interestingly, to me at least, Scripps hasn't really done much in the Sun Belt: Phoenix and Tampa, yes (don't know if they're still in West Palm Beach) ... Yes, Scripps still owns WPTV. That's why I've said for years - and I hope I'm wrong - that NBC and Fox will be the first networks to throw in the small-market OTA sponge. This isn't the 1960s or earlier. It's not important that their programming "plays in Peoria" - it has to play in midtown Manhattan, and Beverly Hills. The national advertisers and their agencies don't care about Peoria. Peoria's along for the ride.

And as I said on the other related thread, you're forgetting about three very important things: NFL, MLB & NASCAR. These three sports will ultimately determine who stays OTA & who doesn't (or who gets moved to .2 or .3) Media General has not only Raleigh, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Tampa and Birmingham but a dozen smaller markets, including Charleston, Savannah, Augusta, Florence/MB, Greenville/New Bern, and several others. Them and Raycom dominate the South. While the Scripps demands for Cleveland and Detroit had relevancy 15 or so years ago, I doubt it still holds now. DMAs "in decline" or not, WXYZ and WEWS are still very strong stations, and ABC wouldn't want to lose them. There also weren't cable channels like CMT or subchannels that target "real America" like there are now. An advertiser seeking a small town or rural audience can go directly to the small market stations or find a cable channel. There are plenty of cable channels targeting niche audiences that advertises can go to and spend less $. Many small market network stations run Andy Griffth reruns in the daytime and evening. If a small market station pre-empts a show that a local preacher finds offensive, it does little to affect national ratings. The average age of a network viewer is actually outside their target range. If a network dumps a station (or a station dumps a network), the cable systems can just pipe in a station from a bigger nearby market. It wouldn't affect ratings for any network if they dumped all markets below 100 In Miss, LA, and AR the smaller market stations via digital TV have increased local network offerings. Granted in Greenville MS the new NBC affiliate is a digital LPTV (WNBD-LD) sister of

WABG (which provides a primary ABC affiliation and FOX on its -2 subchannel). There is also the case in Alexandria LA where no local CBS service existed but KLAB provides HD on the 5-2 subchannel. The CW+ (KHOG/KHBS) and My (KFSM) have local stations (via -2 subs) instead of importing out of town affiliates on local cable systems in Northwest Arkansas. Plus unlike most subchannels, these which carry Big Four networks are generally carried by local cable companies, plus Dish Network. Network stations that don't refer to their channel numbers A lot of these are low rated former independent/Fox stations that took an old Big 3 network after Fox went to stronger VHF stations during the mid 90s. Many CW and MyNet don't refer to their channel numbers KSHB "NBC Action News" WFTS "ABC Action News" (both Scrips stations that were Fox before the mid 90s affiliate switches) WWJ "CBS Detroit" WGCL "CBS Atlanta" WFLD "Fox Chicago" WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford only refers to themselves now as NBC Connecticut, never mentioning channel 30 or their digital frequency of channel 35. The same goes for WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford, only going by FOX-CT and/or FOX Connecticut. A viewer will see a tiny "WTIC-DT 31" on a station ID, if they look at the right time. Antenna TV on WTIC-TV 61-2 will ID as "WTIC-TV 61-2 Hartford/New Haven." Does any station refer to their digital frequency (unless it's the same as their old analog frequency)? WYFX-LD "Fox Youngstown" (also on full-power WKBN/27.2) This station started as a combo of two low-power analog stations, first "Fox 31/62" and later "Fox 17/62". It adopted the "Fox Youngstown" banner before eventually dropping the 17 half (WFXICA/Mercer PA) and then converting analog WYFX-LP 62 to digital WYFX-LP 19. But it's probably the placement on 27.2 that led to the dropping of the "Fox 17/62" branding. The NBC O&O in the San Francisco Bay Area now brands as "NBC Bay Area." It broadcasts on channel 11, channel 3 on cable, and God knows what on satellite. Channel numbers are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Yeah, and that's too bad. Channel numbers can slice through any other imaging a station might provide. Can anyone think of WABC, or WLS, or KABC, or KGO, without thinking of Channel 7? This number is an extremely important part of these stations branding. As the tv universe changes, this type of identification is going by the wayside, and I think it is a big loss, not only for the viewer, but for the stations, who depend on precise identification and branding. It will be much harder in the future. Not to mention KSMO TV First The WB Kansas City no channel number reference and now My KSMO TV. The same in Oklahoma City KOCB TV The WB Oklahoma City Then The CW Oklahoma City now its back to the The CW34 WBNX/55, the CW affiliate in the Cleveland market, is branding as "WBNX-The CW", and no longer uses "55"...at one point, they were "WB55", and even before that, had a rather interesting graphic

animation with the "55" logo. As soon as I say that, of course, I see they have a new legal ID graphic that has a "55" in the background. Cheesy Fort Myers' CBS affiliate WINK TV hasn't referred to their channel number in over a decade. Doesn't WCTX do something similar? I don't remember them mentioning a channel number since way back in the days of "WB 59". Then later they became "The X" (which I thought was pretty lame). They even did "MY 9" at one point in reference to their cable channel number. What are they now? How about WCCT? In NJ, PBS affiliate NJN has never referred to a channel number as long as I can remember. They have always been "NJN". In NYC all the major networks refer to their channel number. ansky212: That's because NJN is actually four different stations (WNJS, WNJT, WNJM, WNJB) simulcasting the same signal on four different channels numbers. WTXF 29 bills itself as "Fox Philadelphia" which is odd because "Channel 29" always had a great image both pre- and post-Fox. Does any station refer to their digital frequency (unless it's the same as their old analog frequency)? It's my understanding a small number do. It's pretty rare as the ATSC standard (incorporated by reference into FCC regulations) requires stations to use their old analog channel as their virtual channel. WTMJ-TV may be on RF channel 28, but if the station is compliant with the regulations (it is) it will come up as channel 4 on TV sets. The FCC doesn't care what channel number you promote yourself as. WTMJ could call itself "NBC 95" if it wanted to, as far as the FCC is concerned. However, if viewers have to punch in "04" to receive the station, referring to "95" or "28"* doesn't make much sense. * yes, I realize punching in "28" will tune in WTMJ on most OTA receivers... but the TV will continue to tell the viewer the station is channel 4, and if the viewer goes someplace that has cable or satellite, 28 isn't going be WTMJ.. WUHF here in Rochester has been exclusively "Fox Rochester" for many years now, with no reference to "channel 31" even in the last years of analog. Interestingly, its sister Sinclair stations in Buffalo and Syracuse are still "Fox 29" and "Fox 68" in their branding, and WUHF operates under a shared-services agreement with Nexstar's WROC-TV here, which is very much "channel 8" in its own branding. My own sometimes employer, WXXI, hasn't used "channel 21" in its TV branding for many years, either. In both cases, it's a direct result of the very high cable penetration here. Many more people see us on cable 11 or cable 1011, and WUHF on 7 or 1007, than see "21.1" or "31.1" OTA or "21" or "31" on satellite. None of the PBS outlets upstate use a channel number - we're all just "WNED" or "WCNY" or "WSKG" or "WMHT" or "WPBS." South of here, Elmira's WENY-TV dropped its "36" branding around the time of the DTV conversion, when it also added a subchannel carrying CBS. It's just "WENY-TV" on both 36.1 (ABC) and 36.2 (CBS). The Fox station down there, WYDC, has never used "48" that I can recall; it's always just been "Big FOX WYDC."

Most of the other network affiliates across upstate New York use channel numbers still. The only other exception I can think of is the Nexstar cluster in Utica, which brands just as "WUTR" and "WFXV," no "20" or "33." I don't disagree - and its getting increasingly hard for me in my...uh...advanced years - to remember from day to day where to find cable networks. I have HD now, of course, so that complicates things - Comcast gives HD "700" designations, so the old-line networks in HD are 702 (Fox 2), 705 (CBS 5) and 707 (ABC 7 - KGO). That's easy to recall - but it gets murkier with all the cable channels. The problem with KNTV ("NBC Bay Area") is that its a recent O&O (since 2003, I think) and hasn't been around since the dawn of television like the other locals. They flopped around for a couple of years, first branding as "NBC 3" (cable position), then changing to "NBC 11" (broadcast dial position) - so I don't think their branding was well established in the minds of consumers anyway. How about KQED, KTEH, KCET, KRCB and KCSM sometimes its just refered by Call letter and not by channel numbers. Also KTLA tried to phase out the Channel numbers and brand it only by Call letters in 2004-2005. True, and each of these stations has their own individual top of the hour ID (i.e. WNJN-Montclair, WNJS-Camden). If they really wanted to they could call themselves "NJN 50" or "NJN 23" in the local areas. But since it's the same programming all around it doesn't make much difference. WBZ-TV 4 Boston uses the identifier "WBZ" without mentioning their channel number. They are a heritage, well respected TV station with similarly respected and well known radio stations too. Logo: http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx? q=846983338426&id=5b7e0dc96800779169a8882760f1d97d Logo has boxes for each of the 3 call letters, plus the CBS eye. Primary sister station is mostly news, some talk, and anyone in this area knows well that "hey there's a big local story going on, I better check out WBZ..." (radio OR TV) Scott's noting of the upstate PBS affiliates reminds me. Both PBS affiliates here have eschewed their channel numbers in branding. * WVIZ/25 hasn't used "25" in ages, and is known as "WVIZ/PBS ideastream" (yes, with the lower case). * WNEO/45-WEAO/49 dropped their long-time "PBS 45 & 49" branding a while back to become "Western Reserve PBS". The umbrella company is now known (DBA) as "Western Reserve Public Media", which encompasses their website and subchannels (Fusion, MHz Worldview and V-me, none of which are directly supplied by PBS). 45/49 are a dual-city PBS operation that simulcasts - 45 is licensed to Alliance, has a tower in Salem and serves the Youngstown market, and 49 is licensed to Akron, has a tower there and serves the Cleveland/Akron market. IIRC, the Fox Philadelphia moniker was dropped a few years back and WTXF resorted to the Fox 29 labeling. WPGH always has called itself Fox53 here in Pittsburgh since picking up that network. Its sibling WPMY is "My Pittsburgh TV" and sometimes touts its Channel 10 placement on most area cable systems. WPCW, licensed to Jeannette (and one occasionally sees that ID on screen) is "Pittsburgh's CW" as in "The KDKA 10 O'Clock News on Pittsburgh's CW" from its CBS-owned sibling, and rarely

calls itself Channel 19. WQED doesn't use Channel 13 all that much, but, interestingly enough, it is on Channel 13 digital (same channel it had as an analog). The big three here still use their old analog channel positions in touting themselves, KDKA-2, WTAE-4 and WPXI-11, as well as in WTAE's and WPXI's cases their subchannels. WPCB-40 used to say "Life Begins at 40" but it goes for its satellite audience as Cornerstone TeleVision. Dallas-Fort Worth: KXAS/5 is starting to do without the 5 part of late. KERA/13 has been a while since they ID'd or imaged with the 13 part. Tyler-Longview: KETK/56 in the last 2-3 years (?) has not used 56 in it's promos, news, or website. The other stations around both markets don't seem to be as ashamed of their channel number. Roll Eyes Cool Doesn't WCTX do something similar? I don't remember them mentioning a channel number since way back in the days of "WB 59". Then later they became "The X" (which I thought was pretty lame). They even did "MY 9" at one point in reference to their cable channel number. What are they now? How about WCCT? WCTX is "MY TV 9". WWOR in NYC is "MY 9". WCCT refers to itself as "The CT". However sometimes you'll hear on the radio "...on The CT, WCCT-TV 20" It's been awhile so maybe this has changed, but the last time I was in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, neither NBC affiliate WBRE or CBS affiliate WYOU used channel numbers. In the Quad Cities, KGCW doesn't use their channel number anymore - at least not as part of The CW. WBQD is known as 'My Network TV 16', but that's actually a cable channel... WUHF here in Rochester has been exclusively "Fox Rochester" for many years now, with no reference to "channel 31" even in the last years of analog. Interestingly, its sister Sinclair stations in Buffalo and Syracuse are still "Fox 29" and "Fox 68" in their branding, and WUHF operates under a shared-services agreement with Nexstar's WROC-TV here, which is very much "channel 8" in its own branding. WUHF switched to a "Fox 31" logo when Sinclair launched News Central a few years back, then dropped the 31 again after News Central went kaput. Dallas-Fort Worth: KXAS/5 is starting to do without the 5 part of late. NBC seems to not know what to do with the channel numbers for now. As of a few months ago it looked like they wanted to get rid of them, which they did with the aforementioned WVIT and KNTV; KNSD also changed from "NBC 7/39" to "NBC San Diego" a few months ago. Of course, WVIT and KNSD are UHF stations, and they pretty much started anew with KNTV. But apparently KNSD's new logo and graphics sans channel number are supposed to be implemented across the board, all the way up to NYC; hence all the new "nbclosangeles.com" and "nbcdfw.com" domains. Now the rebranding seems to be on hold. The new logo/graphics have been spotted on WCAU's promos, but with the "10" tacked on in a box next to "NBC". Who knows what's going with them... The other networks in Cleveland:

* WKYC/3 (NBC) is just WKYC Channel 3, and their newscasts are "Channel 3 News". * WEWS/5 (ABC) has actually started using the WEWS calls to some degree as of late, but is otherwise just "Channel 5". News is "NewsChannel 5", branding that used to extend to the entire station. 3 and 5 do not use network branding at ALL, except in logo bugs. * WJW/8 (Fox) is "Fox 8" everywhere, and "Fox 8 News". * WOIO/19 (CBS) is "Cleveland's CBS 19", though they push the "19 Action News" branding more often. * WUAB/43 (MyNet) is "My 43", more recently they've returned to a form of old branding as "My 43 The Block". (Don't ask.) (Really, don't ask.) Since they're a Raycom sister station to WOIO, you see "19 Action News" promoted a lot. In Raleigh/Durham, CBS affiliate WRAL-TV 5 rebranded its news as "WRAL News" either when the all-HD newsroom came online in 2001 or shortly thereafter, though the "5" is still prominently featured. (The station had the first commercial digital signal at UHF 32 in 1996, their "permenant pre-transition signal on UHF 53 and their final 6-12-2009 digital assignment on UHF 48). WRDC-TV 28 dropped references to their UHF 28 position when they became a MyNetwork affiliate, rebranding as "My RDC" (The station's pre-2/17/2009--they switched on the original date-digital channel was UHF 27, but sister station WLFL-TV 22 moved from UHF 57 to 27, while WRDC went digital at UHF 28---their analog home since 1968). In 1995, the newly christened WNCN-TV 17 was known as "NCN Television", but changed to the current "NBC 17" not long into their NBC affiliation. Statewide Public Broadcaster the University of North Carolina Center for Public Television--based in Durham-- has used either that name, North Carolina Public Television or the current UNC-TV, since the network is seen--with no local origination--on 12 stations across the state. I believe WXII Winston-Salem also identifies itself verbally by its call letters but the 12 is prominently displayed in its logo, and its newscast is Newschannel 12. WFMY identifies itself by a combination of call letters and newscast title: "WFMY News 2," so the channel number is there. For years, WCNC branded themselves as NBC 6, but with the DTV conversion, they converted back to 36. WMYT brands itself as MYTV12 rather than 55. WCCB brands themselves as Fox Charlotte, an WJZY is Charlotte's WJZY with no mention of their channel number. It's been awhile so maybe this has changed, but the last time I was in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, neither NBC affiliate WBRE or CBS affiliate WYOU used channel numbers. Nope.....They still refer to themselves as WBRE and WYOU. I think it has to do with their owner (Nexstar)...They own WTAJ-10 in Altoona - they call themselves simply WTAJ too. Must be a Nextar thing... Nexstar is weird when it comes to branding. They'll use channel numbers for stations that are seen pretty much universally on one number, like WROC-TV 8 here in Rochester, but they go with call letters for others, like WBRE and WYOU in Scranton or WUTR/WFXV in Utica, that are on a hodgepodge of channel numbers depending on the cable system.

And of course they're notorious for their websites that are branded almost completely separately from their TV stations - "rochesterhomepage.net" here in Rochester, for instance. You'll have to scour the site pretty deeply to find a WROC logo. Part of it is that Nexstar seems to dislike high channel number branding (KTAB 32, WUTR 20, WBRE 28...). Oh yeah, and their crazy webpages. For years, WCNC branded themselves as NBC 6, but with the DTV conversion, they converted back to 36. WMYT brands itself as MYTV12 rather than 55. WCCB brands themselves as Fox Charlotte, an WJZY is Charlotte's WJZY with no mention of their channel number. I don't believe Charlotte public broadcaster WTVI hasn't referenced their (now virtual) channel 42 dial position in quite a while, either. In the eastern part of the state, the Greenville-New Bern-Jacksonville market Fox simulcast of WFXI-TV 8 Morehead City and WYDO-TV 14 Greenville once IDed as "Fox 8/Fox 14" but is now "Fox Eastern Carolina" In 1995, the newly christened WNCN-TV 17 was known as "NCN Television", but changed to the current "NBC 17" not long into their NBC affiliation... Wouldn't that actually be NBC ownership? I recall it actually being an NBC O&O for a time, right after they bolted the aforementioned WRDC. Timeline: Jan. 1, 1995: Outlet rechristens WYED-TV as WNCN. February 1995: WNCN begins to run WRDC's preempted NBC programming after Outlet and the network strike a deal. Sept. 1995: WNCN becomes the Triangle's NBC affiliate of record and launches "NCN News" newscasts at 6, 7 and 11. It also moves into WLFL's old studios. 1996: NBC buys WNCN outright, along with the other Outlet stations. The station becomes "NBC 17". Dallas-Fort Worth: KERA/13 has been a while since they ID'd or imaged with the 13 part. ...in fact, I seem to recall that when Dish Network expanded their local service from Dallas-Fort Worth in 2002, they mistakenly put KDTN/2 Denton on a channel and identified it as "KERA" because at the time they were calling themselves on-the-air "KERA 2" -- meaning KERA's second TV service. 13 didn't have any channel number whatsoever in the IDs or promos. Dish Network (perhaps somebody in their Denver offices?) assumed 2 was the main channel and 13 was a secondary... WPSD-TV, channel 6 in Paducah, Kentucky, now uses their channel number in their name ("Newschannel 6," unless it has changed lately), but for a while there back in the '70s, they actually used the year in their name ("Newsbeat '74," "Newsbeat '75," "Newsbeat '76," etc.), until at the beginning of 1977, they dropped the year and simply became "Newsbeat 6." They used the "Newsbeat" name until adopting "Newschannel 6" sometime in the '90s. * WEWS/5 (ABC) has actually started using the WEWS calls to some degree as of late, but is otherwise just "Channel 5". News is "NewsChannel 5", branding that used to extend to the entire station. If you go to www.newschannel5.com, you will get Newschannel5 from here in Nashville. Their call letters are WTVF (and have been since, I think, 1975), but there is hardly, if ever, a mention of "WTVF" on the air. I actually heard the WTVF call letters being used more by one of their advertisers in a commercial spot ("just tell 'em that you heard about it on WTVF" or something like

that) than anywhere else in their programming. WZMY - Derry, NH (My NetworkTV affiliate for the Boston DMA) does not mention their virtual channel number (50). After being purchased by Shooting Star Broadcasting they went with the My TV moniker. (Before My NetworkTV was even thought of by FOX). ATLANTA CBS ATLANTA (CBS 46 and Clear News previously) MY ATL TV (WB 36 previously) CW 69 (CW ATLANTA, UPN ATLANTA and UPN 69 previously) KUAS-TV/v27 Tucson (PBS affiliate that simulcasts KUAT-TV/v6; only "6" is ever used, no mention of "27" at all) Nexstar doesn't have any consistent policy that I can see. WTVW is branded as Fox 7 despite being channel 8 on most cable systems. WTWO was "Newschannel 2" for a number of years starting in the mid 90s. Then they became "Newschannel WTWO" around 2004. In 2010, they switched again to "NBC 2" to go along with a new news set. WFXW has been "Fox 38" under all of its owners dating back to the big network shakeup of the 90s. As for KTAB, they've been KTAB going back before Nexstar owned the station - both KRBC/KACB and KTAB went by just call signs back in the early 90s. After KACB split from KRBC (operating as a separate station, rather than a satellite), KRBC starting branding the channel 9, and KACB (then KSAN) used the 3, but KTAB has always been KTAB - probably due to the fact that it was the only UHF station in that area of Texas. Tell that to WKMG in Orlando - the original "Local 6". Roll Eyes I KNEW that sounded familiar, but I couldn't remember which market. I still want to see "Out-of-Town 6". Or another variation on a TV news slogan... "Local 6. Not On Your Side. Working Against You At Every Turn." Add these two..... KTVD 20 9NEWS (Named after Big Brother KUSA 9) WATL 36 11 Alive (Named after Big Brother WXIA 11) Someone from the ATL can correct me on the latter Grin Cheers Cheesy Nexstar doesn't have any consistent policy that I can see. WTVW is branded as Fox 7 despite being channel 8 on most cable systems. (Edited to include a link that shows their short-lived logo) There was a period after Nexstar acquired the station that they branded as "WTVW Newschannel 7" (with FOX is itty-bitty letters inside the leg of the 7). They quickly - and I mean within 6 or 8

months - went back to "Fox 7". At the time, I seem to recall rumors that Nexstar was interested in the market's CBS affiliate, WEVV-44. Which made me wonder (at the time) if they were thinking they could pull the CBS contract (for WTVW) by buying co-owning 44. KTVD brands as "My20" except when they're carrying a KUSA newscast, don't they? "9NEWS" isn't a brand for KTVD, the station - it's a brand for the 9 PM newscast that KTVD carries from KUSA. Same thing for WATL, though WATL at least fits this category in general, since it brands as "MyATL" outside of news. How about KOFY it does not refer itself by Channel number because Xfinity has it on 13 but OTA, Dish and Directv has it on 20. Hartford/Springfield: WRDM-LP/WDMR-LP IDs as Telemundo Hartford-Springfield. WUVN Hartford/WUNI Worcester ID as: Univision New England (English Language Translation) WWJ hasn't been branded as "CBS Detroit" since January 2008 - they've called themselves WWJTV since then although more recently it has been promoted as "WWJ-TV, CBS Detroit". For a number of years, WKBD was called UPN Detroit, but they now are called CW50. WQLN (PBS) in Erie took the 54 out of their branding when the DTV transition took place, but they still have 54.1 mentioned in text in the ID. Also in that market, WSEE (CBS) got rid of the 35 in their branding back around 2005. Hartford/Springfield: WRDM-LP/WDMR-LP IDs as Telemundo Hartford-Springfield. WUVN Hartford/WUNI Worcester ID as: Univision New England (English Language Translation) I was just in the Hartford area this weekend and have noticed what seems to be a recent fixation with calling everything "CT" this and "CT" that. Fox CT (formerly Fox 61), NBC Connecticut (a shame because the old logos with the 30 in them were attractive) and my personal favorite: The CT (WCCW) which probably has the weirdest, creepiest, UGLIEST logo I have ever seen. To me, it's a shame because these newer brandings are less effective than the channel numbers. Someone said it above and it's very true: the numerical brand cuts through the clutter like nothing else. Calling something "the CT" puts it on the same mental level as 325 other channels on cable. Only with a more garish logo designed by someone who needs therapy.... One note on NBC Universal: it seems to depend on the market as they happily tout their top 3 network O&Os respectively as NBC 4 (WNBC), NBC 4 (KNBC) and NBC 5 (WMAQ). In Charlotte, the Fox station calls itself Fox Charlotte. In nearby Greenville, SC (a market which includes Asheville, NC) the Fox station is Fox Carolina. Also in Charlotte the My Network station, which was 55 analog and is 39 over the air, is My TV 12 because cable systems usually put it on 12. Since that's the only way I can get it, it's a useful number. I have no need to call WFMY channel 2, even though it is "News 2". When setting up my converter box I couldn't get a signal from the station, but when I called the station I was told to try 51, and that worked. So I just turn to 51. On cable it's 22 since it's an out-of-market station. Does any station refer to their digital frequency (unless it's the same as their old analog frequency)? WLXI Greensboro, NC was Channel 61 (notice that's where they got their letters) but it's referred to as channel 43 now. Actually, since I don't watch I don't know what they call themselves. It was lowpower and religious but they seem to be full-power now.

If you live in Charlotte, then I'm surprised WBTV doesn't exercise its option to keep WFMY off cable altogether; when Florence/Myrtle Beach got its own NBC affiliate, WMBF, WECT Wilmington and WIS Columbia were kicked off Time Warner Cable (at least in Myrtle Beach) and WMBF was put on WIS's channel: 10. But then again I remember when cable viewers in Charlotte could get WSPA, like WBTV a CBS affiliate, as well as WCCB and WGHP when both were ABC affiliates. For years, WCNC branded themselves as NBC 6, but with the DTV conversion, they converted back to 36. WMYT brands itself as MYTV12 rather than 55. WCCB brands themselves as Fox Charlotte, an WJZY is Charlotte's WJZY with no mention of their channel number. I see "CW 46" in the corner of the screen sometimes. Regardless, I'm surprised WBTV allows WFMY on cable in the Charlotte DMA, unless it's somewhere like Rowan County, where the two stations have traditionally coexisted (like WFMY and whatever happened to be the CBS affiliate in Raleigh/Durham have in Chatham). The CT (WCCW) which probably has the weirdest, creepiest, UGLIEST logo I have ever seen. The CW (WCCT). Yeah, that's one weird logo. When that came out we were all like "PBS called. They want their logo back". Of course all 3 are owned by Raycom now, so Raycom was sort of "consolidating" the market. IIRC, WIS in F/MB on cable was a slightly different feed from OTA/Columbia - I believe local ads and a drop-in during the newscast occurred (probably similar to what WILM in Wilmington does with WRAL's signal, albeit OTA. J We may see that logo resurface -- without the tiny FOX letters. FOX today announced it was moving its affiliation to a digital subchannel of WEVV. Evansville Courier & Press Name Local TV stations that occupy more than one tv market. my examples are WGN superstation WABC NYC and US Virgin Islands via LMA agreement and on Dish Network for areas without an ABC station KGO-TV San Francisco and (Monterey 1999-2011) and Dish Network for areas without an ABC station KTVU Superstation prior to Fox affiliation. KTVU News is also aired in Reno on KRXI 11 KREM 23 Chico and Eureka. KNTV prior to NBC O&O as an ABC station San Jose and Monterey. KQED and KTEH San Francisco, Monterey and Santa Barbara. WTBS in the 1980's

KABC via Directv for areas without an ABC station. KNBC, WNBC, WCBS, KCBS (CBS2), KTTV,and WNYW via Directv for areas without CBS, Fox and NBC station. Dish Network KPIX and KNTV for areas without NBC and CBS stations. my examples are WGN superstation True before 1990, but since the advent of syndex in 1990, it practically became nothing more than a cable channel, especially the last several years. On the same token, WWOR should also fit this same category, for the same reasons, except that it folded for national cable viewers in 1996; the original WWOR is still available to Dish Network customers, but after all I heard about them these days, I long for even the days when they had the "EMI Service". ...going back to the '70s, this was one of the reasons KFIZ-TV/34 Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, was doomed (it operated from 1968 to 1972). Although officially part of the Green Bay market, its location actually allowed it to reach just as far into the Milwaukee and Madison markets, thereby making it tougher to pick up affiliate pre-emptions (for example, I suspect that the only reason WVTV/18 Milwaukee allowed it to pick up its broadcasts of the CBS version of The Merv Griffin Show was that Channel 34 hadn't sold many commercials after prime time, so a lot of the ads seen were simply pass-throughs from Channel 18, extending 18's coverage for its sales. Plus, WISCTV/3 Madison didn't mind, as WVTV was running Griffin on a one-night delay starting at 10:15 rather than 10:30, and WISC had already shown the program in question. Although KFIZ-TV also picked up Roller Game of the Week, AWA All-Star Wrestling and Kup's Show from WVTV's air at first, eventually 34 struck deals to get their own copies of the tapes of the first two programs and they started covering WVTV's spots during the Irv Kupcinet program with a static slide image... KELO that 4-station network of CBS affiliates in Sioux Falls, South Dakota covers two markets and two time zones. (One of its outposts is in the Rapid City market and the Mountain Time Zone. And yes, CBS there airs from 6 to 9. I think that's why KEVN (Fox) airs a 6pm news as well as a 9pm, actually...) Leaving aside the special case of the superstations, there are plenty of examples of stations providing network affiliation to more than one market, usually in small markets without a full complement of the big three/big four. Binghamton's WNBF-TV/WBNG was CBS for neighboring Elmira as well for almost 60 years, until Elmira's WENY-TV (ABC) added a CBS subchannel a few years back. Up the road in Syracuse, WTVH serves as CBS for nearby Utica, while WSTM provides NBC to Watertown. In New England, WNNE, licensed to Hartford, Vermont, has coverage that extends into portions of nearby New Hampshire that are officially in the Boston market; cable systems as far south as Concord carry WNNE as well as Boston-market WHDH for NBC. Pittsburgh's WTAE was the ABC affiliate for many decades for a huge swath of western PA, WV and Ohio, including the Wheeling, Clarksburg and Altoona areas that all lacked full ABC affiliates of their own. Wheeling/Steubenville now gets ABC on a subchannel of CBS affiliate WTRF. Clarksburg still gets WTAE, as far as I know. Altoona had dinky little WOPC 38, which was on the air only at night, and now has full-fledged ABC affiliate WATM. Indianapolis ABC affiliate WRTV serves as ABC for two other markets - Terre Haute (which has NBC/CBS/Fox of its own) and Lafayette (which has only a CBS of its own, relying on Indy's NBC

and Fox affiliates as well). Baltimore's WBAL provides NBC to the Salisbury market, which has no NBC of its own. KTLA via Dish Network for areas that do not have a CW station. and KCET in its PBS days from LA to Santa Barbara and possibly Bakersfield? KSCI in Los Angeles and San Diego. Sacramento TV stations and San Francisco-Oakand TV stations hitting Solano county because it is on the boundaries of 2 tv markets. If you count cross-border carriage, Buffalo's WGRZ (NBC), WIVB (CBS), WKBW (ABC), WNED (PBS) and WUTV (Fox) are their networks' affiliates both over the air and on cable for the Toronto and Hamilton markets, while Rochester stations WROC (CBS), WHEC (NBC), WHAM (ABC), WXXI (PBS) and WUHF (Fox) have at various times had the same role for Ottawa cable customers. Detroit stations WJBK (Fox), WDIV (NBC), WXYZ (ABC) and WWJ (CBS) are seen in a lot of the rest of Canada--over the air in Windsor, Chatham and London, and on cable in a lot of the rest of Canada east of the Rockies. Before it was bought out by DirecTV, Primestar offered two affiliates, East and West Coasts, for each of the Big Four: ABC (WSB Atlanta, KABC Los Angeles), CBS (WUSA Washington, DC, KOIN Portland, OR), Fox (WTXF Philadelphia, KTVU San Francisco/Oakland), NBC (WHDH Boston, KCRA Sacramento). As for de facto affiliates, I have mentioned that WTVY Dothan, AL is the de facto CBS affiliate for Panama City, FL; likewise Panama City's WJHG is de facto NBC for Dothan. WECT Wilmington, NC and WIS Columbia, SC, split the Florence/Myrtle Beach market before the advent of WMBF in 2008. KPLC Lake Charles, LA has long been de facto NBC for Lafayette. WTLV Jacksonville serves as de facto NBC for Gainesville (WCJB is ABC in Gainesville; WGFL has been CBS since WJXT Jacksonville went independent). And WBKO Bowling Green, KY has for years provided ABC for viewers who have difficulty getting the Alphabet network from Nashville. Also in Wilmington, NC before WILM-LP was bought by Capitol Broadcasting and turned into a CBS affiliate, that market was covered by WNCT-9/Greenville and WBTW-13/Florence. I believe for a time the station that is now WILM-LP was airing a simulcast of WNCT. Pittsburgh's WTAE was the ABC affiliate for many decades for a huge swath of western PA, WV and Ohio, including the Wheeling, Clarksburg and Altoona areas that all lacked full ABC affiliates of their own. Wheeling/Steubenville now gets ABC on a subchannel of CBS affiliate WTRF. Clarksburg still gets WTAE, as far as I know. Clarksburg added an ABC subchannel on WBOY/12, WV Media sister to WTRF. It's "Your ABC": http://yourwvabc.com/ Other examples: * Until Youngstown got Fox on "Fox 31/62", a duo of LPTV stations, Cleveland's WJW/8 served as defacto Fox affiliate (and WOIO/19 before that, but I think WJW gained better cable carriage in the Mahoning Valley). WUAB/43 did the same for MyNetwork TV, until WYTV/33's "My YTV" subchannel showed up. * Zanesville only has WHIZ/18 (NBC) commercially. Columbus' WSYX/6 (ABC), WBNS/10 (CBS) and WTTE/28 (Fox), along with WWHO/53 (CW), provide other network service to Zanesville viewers, and WCMH/4, Columbus' NBC affiliate, also still shows up over there.

* Lima got CBS from WHIO/7 Dayton, IIRC, and ABC from WTVG/13 Toledo, until Greg Phipps fired up WLMO-LP/38 (CBS) and WLQP-LP/18 (ABC). Today, both "CBS Lima" and "ABC Lima" (and sister "Fox Lima") are part of the WLIO (NBC) empire, bringing all four networks under one roof, on two digital stations - one full-power on RF 8 (WLIO) and one low-power on RF 35 (WOHLCD, on WLIO's old analog channel). I forget which networks end up on which subchannels. For many years WJRT/12 in Flint, Michigan served as the ABC affiliate for both Flint-Saginaw-Bay City and Lansing. Lansing did not have its own ABC affiliate until 1990. Regionally speaking, NJN serves both the New York and Philadelphia markets, although via different transmitters. It looks like WLIO/8 has NBC on 8.1 and Fox on 8.2, and WOHL-CD/35 has ABC on 35.1 and CBS on 35.2. This is despite the fact that WOHL(-LP) was the long-time call sign of the Fox affiliate. All are in HD, except for Fox on 8.2 for some reason. Not sure if this is quite the same, but WRAL/Raleigh reaches out far into the eastern NC (Greenville/New Bern) market with plenty of cable carriage, 100+ miles away from Raleigh. It's a legacy that goes back to the olden days of TV when people had rooftop antennas and watched whatever came in. WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 and WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61, both licensed to Hartford, were the de-facto CBS and FOX affiliates for the Springfield/Holyoke, MA TV market for years. While you can still receive both clearly over-the-air in Springfield with a good antenna, they now have their own affiliates of these networks...sort of. "CBS 3" is Springfield's CBS affiliate, operated by WFSBTV from their Rocky Hill, CT studio and is available over-the-air on WFSB-TV 3-3 in standard definition. There's also a newer low-power HD version of it available, but I forget their call letters. (Are they WSHM-LD?) Springfield also now has "FOX 6", referring to analog cable channel 6 in much of the Springfield area. It's actually WGGB-TV 40-2, operated by their ABC affiliate. And WBKO Bowling Green, KY has for years provided ABC for viewers who have difficulty getting the Alphabet network from Nashville. Going the other way, Nashville's channels 4, 5, and 17 provided NBC, CBS, and Fox to Bowling Green -- and to Jackson, Tennessee. In Bowling Green, a local Fox affiliate appeared in the mid-1990s, flipping to NBC in 2001. In 2007 they added CBS on 40.2. Fox reappeared in 2006 on WBKO's 13.2. There's been a local Fox affiliate in Jackson since 2006, but there's still no CBS or NBC there. For years both Nashville and Memphis stations were on cable in Jackson -- it's my understanding only the Memphis stations are on cable there now. Stumbled across an ad in May 30, 1955 Broadcasting Magazine promoting WJIM-TV (now WLNS) Lansing, Michigan. It says the channel 6 station covers seven major Michigan markets. Their definition of a "market" is quite a bit different from today's definition, but even by today's definition they're claiming three: - Saginaw/Bay City/Flint - Lansing/Jackson - Grand Rapids/Battle Creek (no claims on Kalamazoo or Muskegon..)

(referring to Meredith's "CBS 3", Springfield, Mass.Smiley There's also a newer low-power HD version of it available, but I forget their call letters. (Are they WSHM-LD?) Yes. RF channel 21. I've lived in the Jackson area since 1999 and don't recall ever seeing Fox 17 out of Nashville, although Charter did have 4 and 5 until 2009 just before the digital conversion. But Charter has recently added 5's News Channel 5+ back to the lineup. I hope that's a first step toward getting 4 and 5 back. From what I've heard the Jackson Energy Authority's cable system still carries 4 and 5. KELO that 4-station network of CBS affiliates in Sioux Falls, South Dakota covers two markets and two time zones. (One of its outposts is in the Rapid City market and the Mountain Time Zone. And yes, CBS there airs from 6 to 9. I think that's why KEVN (Fox) airs a 6pm news as well as a 9pm, actually...) KCLO, however, does not include "UTV", KCLO's MyNetworkTV channel, as another station, KNBN, has the affiliation. As for de facto affiliates, I have mentioned that WTVY Dothan, AL is the de facto CBS affiliate for Panama City, FL; likewise Panama City's WJHG is de facto NBC for Dothan. For de facto NBC in Dothan, the same could also be said for WSFA Montgomery -- the Comcast system in Dothan offers both WJHG and WSFA. WTLV Jacksonville serves as de facto NBC for Gainesville (WCJB is ABC in Gainesville; WGFL has been CBS since WJXT Jacksonville went independent). Actually, Daytona's WESH was originally the de facto NBC affiliate for Gainesville, until WNBW signed on as Gainesville's NBC affiliate in 2008. Not sure if this is quite the same, but WRAL/Raleigh reaches out far into the eastern NC (Greenville/New Bern) market with plenty of cable carriage, 100+ miles away from Raleigh. It's a legacy that goes back to the olden days of TV when people had rooftop antennas and watched whatever came in. When WRAL was an ABC affiliate it provided ABC to places like Goldsboro and Rocky Mount that could get NBC (WITN) and CBS (WNCT) from Greenville/New Bern/Washington, but not ABC affiliate WCTI. WTVD performs that function today. KCLO, however, does not include "UTV", KCLO's MyNetworkTV channel, as another station, KNBN, has the affiliation. Sorry -- I meant "KELO's MyNetworkTV channel", which is available on its other transmitters. For a long time WTAE-TV4 in Pittsburgh claimed to be the ABC station for the Johnstown-Altoona market (though it is debatable how well it could actually be received there) Yeah, WIS provided NBC for a huge part of SC, and even parts of NC until the digital switch and

when WMBF signed on in 2008. WIS and WECT shared the Myrtle Beach area for decades. WIS was it WIS was also available in big swaths of the Charlotte market. Their news still airs in Rock Hill, and it was on the Charlotte cable until the 1980s. At one time, I read something that WIS was on in something like 43 out of 46 counties of South Carolina. Another one, WJXT in Jacksonville. The station is readily available in Gainesville in addition to Jacksonville as an independent, and was as CBS. Also in Wilmington, NC before WILM-LP was bought by Capitol Broadcasting and turned into a CBS affiliate, that market was covered by WNCT-9/Greenville and WBTW-13/Florence. I believe for a time the station that is now WILM-LP was airing a simulcast of WNCT. WILM-LP, formerly UPN affiliate WSSN-LP before Capitol bought it in 2000, likely simulcasted Capitol flagship WRAL-TV in Raleigh, though WNCT-TV was, I believe, on Wilmington cable in the period between the former WJKA-TV 26 dropping CBS to become Fox affiliate WSFX in 1994/95 and the advent of WILM in 2000. Wilmington's NBC affiliate WECT-TV 6 built an antenna (the tallest in North Carolina) between Wilmington and Fayetteville, providing city grade service there from 1969 until the early Wilmington analog shut-off in 2008. Fayetteville, the southern leg of the Raleigh-Durham DMA, likely watched NBC on channel 6 in lieu of WRDU-TV 28, which didn't get a good signal there until its WPTF days in the 1980s. When WNCN-TV 17 became the market's NBC affiliate in 1995, the signal was sufficient in Fayetteville (even moreso by 2000 when NBC 17 moved to the digital candleabra tower), though old viewing habits die hard. WECT, while no longer seen over the air in Fayetteville is still on cable there. WJAR in Providence is carried on cable in Plymouth, Dukes, Nantucket, and parts of Worcester and Norfolk counties of MA, all of which are parts of the Boston DMA, as well as parts of Windham and Putnam counties in the Hartford DMA. The other Providence stations only reach Plymouth county in MA. If this topic includes TV stations that "occupy" multiple markets for any possible reason, there must be hundreds of examples. I grew up in the foothills of northern Los Angeles in the 50s and 60s, pre-cable. With a rooftop antenna, the San Diego stations came in clear as a bell from over 100 miles away. In fact, in my neighborhood, they came in clearer than LA stations 20 miles away, given that there were tall mountains blocking the signals between my town and the Mt. Wilson transmitters. From what I've read on wikipedia and other places WSBK 38 from Boston used to be sort of a superstation and still considered one with Dish Network. The history for the station says that by the mid 1970s it was available on nearly every cable system in New England. I know it was on Continental Cable (now Time Warner) in Saco Maine thanks to a poster on here. I can also remember up until 1997 New England Cablevision (now Metrocast) in Sanford, Maine carried WSBK because Portland, ME market didn't have a UPN affiliate until fall 1997 when WPME launched. It is actually still available with Bee Line Cable in the Millinocket area on Ch. 3. WGBH 2, WBZ 4, WCVB 5 and WHDH 5 are available with MetroCast in Sanford, ME and up until recently 5 and 7 were available with Time Warner York County. I think the Comcast in very southern maine still carries most of the Boston locals. When CBS bought WSBK, New England cable cos. started dropping 'SBK. None of the Time

Warner systems in Maine/NH haven't carried WSBK for several years. WILM-LP, formerly UPN affiliate WSSN-LP before Capitol bought it in 2000, likely simulcasted Capitol flagship WRAL-TV in Raleigh, though WNCT-TV was, I believe, on Wilmington cable in the period between the former WJKA-TV 26 dropping CBS to become Fox affiliate WSFX in 1994/95 and the advent of WILM in 2000. Before channel 10 became WSSN-LP, I recall WNCT running a TOH slide that along with themselves listed "W10BZ Wilmington" KGO-TV San Francisco and (Monterey 1999-2011) and Dish Network for areas without an ABC station There was a cease order that prevented Dish from directly selling distant networks, and another company AllAmericanDirect http://www.callnps.com/distant_networks.htm, made it able for Dish customers to receive distant networks. The SF stations were used as the west coast market, which did make it convenient for the Monterey market. From the customer perspective, Dish customers in Monterey had to pay another company an extra charge for KGO out of San Francisco, while DirecTV customers got everything including KGO with the Monterey locals in one package. Now, it's slightly different and Dish is offering KEYT from the Santa Barbara DMA, in the Monterey locals package. Apparently, Dish offers WHAG from western MD to Salisbury, MD. Expect the unusual with Dish Network of course. It should be noted that local Hearst KSBW (NBC) now has ABC on a subchannel, but Dish isn't offering that subchannel as the local ABC in Monterey-Salinas. There are, I think, several different categories of stations being mushed together in this thread. There are (or at least were) superstations - WGN, KTLA, WWOR, WPIX, etc., which were local stations seen regionally or nationwide via cable and satellite. I think we all pretty much know by now which stations these were. A sub-category of superstation would be the "Denver Three" and their successors, the big-3/big-4 affiliates that were initially made available to satellite customers who were in otherwise-unserved areas and were later available to at least some satellite customers even in areas that did have local network affiliates. We know which these were, too - LA, New York, Denver, and later a few others like WSEE in Erie. It was as a result of that satellite carriage that WABC and WNBC, for instance, ended up serving parts of the Caribbean. Then there's out-of-market cable carriage, usually the result of legacy viewership in areas that have historically fallen on the boundaries between markets. The example of WJAR being seen in southeastern Massachusetts and Cape Cod fits here, as does the one I offered a few posts back about WNNE being seen in Concord, N.H. Stations in this category are subject to having their nonlocal programming blacked out by syndex. I don't think any of the stations in these categories are really what the original poster was looking for, since their carriage outside their home market ends up being pretty much a bonus. WNBC doesn't derive any sales benefit from being seen in the Cayman Islands, for instance, nor does it provide any programming aimed specifically at viewers there. (WSEE, as we know, is a very special example, since it did come up with a way to monetize its Caribbean carriage.)

I think we can define a few categories that do fit the original question. There are some stations that provide network affiliation to a neighboring market that lacks its own affiliate. As we know, that's a dwindling category thanks to new subchannels and such, but we can still identify a few: WSTM into Watertown, WTVH into Utica, WRTV into Terre Haute, and so on. Even here, it's unusual to see a station actively programming and selling to a smaller adjacent market - WSTM doesn't cover Watertown news, for instance. Then there are stations that are part of a larger statewide or region-wide grouping, usually seen in smaller markets in the midwest or west. KELO/KDLO/KPLO/KCLO is an example of this, as are groupings like the former Max Media Fox signals in Montana or the ABC stations in Alaska. While they may extend across multiple Nielsen-defined markets, they usually tend to be centered on one market - Sioux Falls for KELO, for instance. Regional/statewide PBS services are a subset of this as well: it's inevitable that a SCETV or a Nebraska Educational Television will serve multiple markets (and often that it can be seen on multiple transmitters in part of a single market in the process.) The current cable carriage rules make it difficult for a station to truly serve two or more markets, but it still happens in a few cases, and those to me are the really interesting ones. WTVY-TV in Dothan comes to mind, since it serves as the CBS affiliate for Panama City, even though it's not officially part of the Panama City market (and even though its parent company owns another station, WJHG, in Panama City.) So what else falls into that category? I've mentioned this in other threads, but one unusual situation is Salt Lake City's Bonneville (LDSowned) KSL (NBC) is seen over much of southern Idaho, both via an extensive network of translators, but more importantly, major cable systems. This despite the fact there are Idaho NBC affiliates in the same area. The reasoning has always been to allow viewers in Southern and Eastern Idaho to have access to this LDS station. Blackouts on duplicate programming do occur, but I have always wondered why the other SLC affiliates are not allowed the same exposure. If it is due to religion, then what ethical issues does this bring up? Why should KSL be shown in Idaho, while the other SLC affiliates are not? There are (or at least were) superstations - WGN, KTLA, WWOR, WPIX, etc., which were local stations seen regionally or nationwide via cable and satellite. I think we all pretty much know by now which stations these were. You are right. We have Dish and do not get local CW or MyNetwork stations, so we qualify for Dish Network's Superstations program. We get KTLA, (Los Angeles) WPIX, (New York) KWGN, (Denver) WSBK, (Boston) and WWOR (New Jersey). We also get WGN (Chicago) through another package. I like watching the programs and news from other cities and see their take on things. I heard that Detroit and Seattle TV stations can be picked up by a Canadian Cable companies. There was once a rule that forced Canadian TV providers to pick up PBS if they wanted to take the Big 3 networks. They could also take anything in OTA reception range. Windsor and BC viewers got Fox (from WJBK and KAYU), but nobody else really could. In 1994, because of the Fox NFL deal, this was changed to 4+1 instead of 3+1. Cable providers pretty much compelled the CRTC to do that. If you count this..... KCDO 3 (RTV)

COL - Sterling, CO but reaches Denver via (At least one) translator station in the Fort Morgan area (??) & is on all the Denver TV listings Cheers Cheesy If you count cross-border carriage, Buffalo's WGRZ (NBC), WIVB (CBS), WKBW (ABC), WNED (PBS) and WUTV (Fox) are their networks' affiliates both over the air and on cable for the Toronto and Hamilton markets, while Rochester stations WROC (CBS), WHEC (NBC), WHAM (ABC), WXXI (PBS) and WUHF (Fox) have at various times had the same role for Ottawa cable customers. Detroit stations WJBK (Fox), WDIV (NBC), WXYZ (ABC) and WWJ (CBS) are seen in a lot of the rest of Canada--over the air in Windsor, Chatham and London, and on cable in a lot of the rest of Canada east of the Rockies. And don't forget the coverage the Seattle/Tacoma stations give to those in British Columbia as well Cheers Cheesy There are, I think, several different categories of stations being mushed together in this thread. There are (And with good reason too) Quote A sub-category of superstation would be the "Denver Three" and their successors, the big-3/big-4 affiliates that were initially made available to satellite customers who were in otherwise-unserved areas and were later available to at least some satellite customers even in areas that did have local network affiliates. While you can likely take away NBC, CBS & ABC (Perhaps FOX too in some areas), you can also add another (RTV's KCDO 3) to that mix. That would make the list look like this..... KWGN 2 DT 2.1 CW, DT 2.2 ThisTV KCDO 3 RTV (I don't think KCDO has an HD setup yet) KTVD 20 DT 20.1 MyNetwork TV, DT 20.2 Universal Sports KDVR 31 DT 31.1 FOX, DT 31.2 Antenna TV Cheers Cheesy It's because Bonneville is run by the Mormons while the other broadcasters are not is why KSL 5 gets this kind of unique exposure I would imagine KIRO 7 used to get the same kind of exposure when Bonneville owned that station too Cheers Cheesy Here in my neck of the woods, KFBB simulcasts on low-power digital KHBB-21 into the Helena DMA (which consists of Lewis & Clark County and Broadwater County). The station sells its own commercial spots, but by and large the programming is identical. The KHBB signal was a straight repeater of the signal until 2007 or 2008. KRTV-3 broadcast into Helena as well on KXLH-LD 25 (now branded as KXLH-9), using more-orless the same type of set-up. They, however, recently launched weekday newscast targeted to the market, which is pre-taped (in Great Falls) and dropped in over the Great Falls 5:30/10 newscasts. The morning and weekend newscasts are simulcast directly. KTVH-12-Helena, one of the market's only true local stations, simulcasts on KBGF-LP 50 making it the Great Falls NBC affiliate. They took the affiliation from KTGF-16, the market's longtime NBC station sometime in the mid-2000s (KTGF, as has been discussed on this board before, went

completely dark in the early fall of 2009. Their old downtown studios are now a law office). They rarely, if ever, broadcast anything noteworthy going on in Great Falls (they closed their bureau and sales office a few years back). Trying to follow you here, Pat...when I referenced the "Denver 4," I was talking about the (now largely obsolete) satellite carriage that made KCNC/KMGH/KUSA and later KDVR available nationwide to satellite customers far outside the Denver market. KCDO and KTVD have never had that carriage, and KWGN's national carriage was as a superstation, a completely different category. And none of the Denver subchannels have ever been carried outside the Denver market. Come to think of it - can anyone name a DTV subchannel that's seen anywhere significantly outside its home market? Best I can do, and it's not quite on target, is the carriage of NYC-market WFMETV via a subchannel of WYBE in Philadelphia. (And back to your posts - isn't Sterling very much part of the Denver market? So KCDO doesn't really count as "out-of-market" carriage with respect to Denver, either...) Come to think of it - can anyone name a DTV subchannel that's seen anywhere significantly outside its home market? Best I can do, and it's not quite on target, is the carriage of NYC-market WFMETV via a subchannel of WYBE in Philadelphia. Actually, WYBE no longer carries WFME -- the main "Mind TV" channel, NHK World and Worldview are your only subchannel choices on WYBE. WFME, however, still offers the main WYBE channel on their station at 66.4. In AZ: Full-service Univision O&O KUVE 46 Tucson simulcasts nearly everything from O&O KTVW 33 Phoenix, including the channel 33-branded news. I believe that Telemundo O&O KHRR 40 Tucson carries the newscast (and possibly the rest of the schedule) from O&O KTAZ 39 Phoenix, including the Telemundo Arizona news, which IIRC is produced in Texas anyway. In both cases, they're O&O stations on networks not known for much localism. LPTV Wellton-Mohawk Irrigation & Drainage District provides PBS member station KAET 8 Phoenix to Wellton and Martinez Lake in the Yuma market, which has no PBS station of its own. In the same market, an LPTV station owned by KAZT 7 Prescott (Phoenix market) was not able to show much of the schedule aired by its primary station, due to SyndEx issues in the Yuma market, so now the station also airs programming from KAET 8 Phoenix, serving Yuma proper from the same antenna farm as the aforementioned Wellton station. In Phoenix, KPHE-LD 44.1 carries Telemax programming on a subchannel. Telemax originates from XEWH 6 Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico, and is owned by the Sonora state government. XEWH airs much local content. KPHE-LD 44.1 also carries a local show from Multimedios Television, which originates from XHAW 12 Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. Of course, the world is ending May 21, so... Roll Eyes - Trip

Well, actually, no. The rapture takes place on May 21, meaning anyone left on Earth on May 22 is damned for eternity. The rapture is then followed by the destruction of the earth 153 days later which puts it at... October 31. Of course, the most evil day. Since May 22 is a Sunday, I told my pastor that he shouldn't show up for church on the 22nd, and see how many people get nervous. Grin According to MiND's schedule, WFME is no longer listed among the offerings, unless they chose to not actually mention it. I'm pretty sure it's never been mentioned on that page, so far as I know, and I don't see any complaints about 35-66 having gone missing on the MiND TV message board, where complaints did appear last time there was an issue. - Trip What is with the posters that 610 AM San Francisco poster doing here. I seen the 610 am Judgement Day billboards in Vallejo. Here in Tampa Bay we have a Family Radio station on FM, yet I have seen very little on their promotion of Judgment day -- just a booth at the Florida State Fair (which I steered clear away from, as I heard they were taking candid pics of people taking brochures) and a couple of street people holding signs that they made. Personally, I think it's nothing but a bunch of hooey, especially since no one else in theology and evangelism endorses Camping's train of thought, not to mentioned that not only that man does not know when it ends, but that Jesus was to appear first before it all starts -- it seems that not only Camping got it backwards, but he also wished ill will for the entire universe as a whole. And he's not the only one to predict The End and got it wrong -- The Sun supermarket tabloid predicted Armageddon many times, with this coming Fourth of July being the latest End Time. Everything (except for the legal ID and commercials) on Entravision-owned WUVN 18.1 in Hartford, CT (Univision) is simulcast from WUNI 27.1 from Worcester, Massachusetts. It's also simulcast on Channel 18.2 for the Springfield, Mass market. 18.2 was WHTX-LP/43 Springfield, but they lost their license years ago. ZGS owned WRDM-LP 50 (Hartford) and WDMR-LP 51 (Springfield) are simulcast. Always have too including Commercials. Branded as Telemundo Hartford-Springfield. WRDM-LP and WDMR-LP have simulcast dating back to the old days when they were W13BF and W65BX respectively. NJN, The New Jersey Network, serves The Philadelpha and New York City markets from its 4 PBS stations in NJ WMUR enjoys "local" status in the NH section of the Boston market, as well as in NH counties within the Portland and Burlington markets. One example is that the cable system that serves the Lebanon/White River Junction (VT) area never blacks them out because of syndex or network nondup. Same was true when I visited St. Johnsbury, VT. However, I do not think that WMUR is carried on cable anywhere in Maine. WMUR is carried by Comcast in the Berwick, South Berwick, Kittery and Eliot areas. Then there are stations that are part of a larger statewide or region-wide grouping, usually seen in smaller markets in the midwest or west. KELO/KDLO/KPLO/KCLO is an example of this, as are

groupings like the former Max Media Fox signals in Montana or the ABC stations in Alaska. While they may extend across multiple Nielsen-defined markets, they usually tend to be centered on one market - Sioux Falls for KELO, for instance. Regional/statewide PBS services are a subset of this as well: it's inevitable that a SCETV or a Nebraska Educational Television will serve multiple markets (and often that it can be seen on multiple transmitters in part of a single market in the process.) UNC-TV in North Carolina fits into this category. North Carolina has only one PBS station--WTVI in Charlotte, that isn't part of this network. And there are several cases where one market has multiple PBS stations. Charlotte has 3, with WTVI and the UNC and SCETV systems. Parts of the Asheville area have two ever since they added a second station just 20 miles west of the city because of DTV problems in the mountains. WUNC-TV is a Raleigh market station but people in Greensboro watch it, while the western part of the market has WUNL. And as I think I've mentioned already, SCETV also fits; it has three stations in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville market (Greenville, Spartanburg, and Greenwood). Portions of Greenville/Spartanburg/ Asheville also have access to UNC-TV from Asheville; I'm not sure if it's still the case but WGTV Athens/Atlanta (part of Georgia Public Television) used to be available at least in the northeast Georgia part of the Greenville market even though the station is in the Atlanta DMA. Also, if you live in west Georgia you may find WGTV and WCIQ Mt. Cheaha State Park, AL, part of Alabama Public Television and the Birmingham DMA. WMUR is carried by Comcast in the Berwick, South Berwick, Kittery and Eliot areas. I stand corrected - forgot that those areas have a separate lineup from York and communities farther north. So that system must have 3 ABCs then? Yes it also has 5 and 9. I've always wondered why Comcast Southern Maine carries FOX, CW and My TV from Boston and not Portland. Anyone know if the 4 towns in York County, ME get Comcast from New Hampshire or if they have a plant in Maine? South Carolina's ETV ten-station service includes four stations set up for some local origination, meaning a little bit of variety that you wouldn't have with, say, two UNC stations in a market, which simply pass through the UNC-TV (primary), UNC-KD (Kids) and UNC-EX (Explorer Channel) from headquarters in Research Triangle Park. In Greenville-Spartanburg, Greenville's WNTV is a straight simulcast of programming from ETV's Columbia headquarters (South Carolina channel, ETV-HD and World Channel), while Spartanburg's WRET is set up for local origination and branded as "ETV Upstate". The other three local originators are Rock Hill's WNSC (ETV Carolinas), Beaufort's WJWJ (ETV Lowcountry), and Sumter's WRJA (ETV Sumter). I'm not sure what these four stations show on their sub-channels. While Lafayette Indiana was already mentioned, it didn't specifically mention about WLFI, though it mentioned CBS. Since they went digital, their station goes all the way to Indianapolis, covering most of the northern part of the market. Since Lafayette Indiana has no other stations in the market, they can get some stations OTA from Indianpolis (mainly from the tower farm north of Indianapolis). On cable, they have permission to carry all the Indianapolis TV stations as well as Chicago's WTTW. Cable also carries the subchannels from Indianapolis stations as well as Chicago's WTTW, including WTTW Prime, Create (also from WTIU & WFYI as well), V-Me (also from WFYI & WTIU as well). For Rockford Illinois, they're one of a few markets to this day without a PBS station of their own, & can get WHA OTA with a deep fringe antenna & WTTW to an extent OTA. Both stations are on cable. I don't remember if this was mentioned, but WWTO LaSalle, IL is part of the Chicago market, but

really covers more of the Peoria market. That's due to the tower being nearly 80 miles SW of Chicago, & at only 16kw, they barely cover the far western suburbs. Once they ever go to 80kw, they'll manage to reach Chicago with their signal as well as cover Rockford, IL with that signal (they'll still reach Peoria with their signal). While I could care less about this station, but I wonder if they could have relocated their tower toward Joliet, IL in order to cover the Chicago market better. They can't locate it in Chicago as it wouldn't get Grade A coverage over LaSalle, nor Grade B. There's other PBS stations (specifically here in California) that serves more than one market... KVPT in Fresno also serves Bakersfield (to the south) via a translator and cable, at least since the late '80s. The station (originally as KMTF) went on the air in 1977, making it one of the last large-enough cities to have a public television station. Prior to KMTF/KVPT, PBS programming came via cable from Sacramento's KVIE. KVCR serves San Bernardino and Riverside Counties, but it also has a translator in Palm Springs. Of course, Palm Springs is located in central Riverside County, but it's actually its own TV market. They also have a KCET-run cable-only channel, and a low-powered rebroadcast station of KOCE. The aforementioned KCET still serves a large chunk of Southern California, including Bakersfield, Santa Barbara, and Palm Springs. However, since it lost PBS, I think many of these outlying areas have replaced KCET with KOCE, with probably some demoting KCET to a digital cable-only spot. Not public television, but looking at post of classic TV lineups and listings from here and other sites, Los Angeles' then-independent stations KTLA, KTTV, and KCOP and still-independent KCAL (formerly KHJ-TV) were carried on cable systems in the Albuquerque area during the '70s and 80s, and probably into the '90s. I can understand it for sports reasons--KTTV was the flagship station of the Dodgers until the end of the 1992 season, and the Dodgers' AAA affiliate was based there for many years; KTLA had the Angels and various other sports; KHJ/KCAL has the Lakers and various other events. KCOP didn't carry much sports programming (besides the Clippers in the early-tomid '90s, and was the longtime home of the Los Angeles Marathon) up until recently. Tuscaloosa and Anniston, Alabama, flanked Birmingham to the west and east as TV markets. What killed them? Well, when Allbritton created ABC 33-40, the entire group of three markets effectively shared all big four stations*. They were folded into Birmingham in the fall of 1998. Even before then, WVTM and WBRC (then-ABC) served all three. WTTO had Fox, simulcasting with WDBB which had once had local news for West Alabama. And WCFT had major spillover into Birmingham with a news product far superior to whatever Birmingham's own CBS could cook up. *One exception though. WNAL, which became WPXH, was the CBS affiliate in eastern Alabama through 1999. But it simulcasted WBMG/WIAT's newscasts. WJAC-TV6 in Johnstown was regarded as a Pittsburgh market station in the years before WTAE and WIIC (WPXI today) joined KDKA as commercial VHFs there. I can remember reading the Erie papers as a younger man and seeing KDKA, WEWS-Cleveland, WGR-Buffalo, WJAC, CFPLLondon and CHCH-Hamilton listings along with the Erie stations. WJAC still is grandfathered in Westmoreland County (30 miles east of Pittsburgh) on Comcast, though you have to go to the upper 100s to find it. WICU-TV12 from Erie could be seen as far south as northern Cambria County in the years when I was in radio. WPSX-3 or whatever Penn State now calls that Clearfield-licensed station long has served public TV viewers in large portions of Erie, Pittsburgh and Scranton-WilkesBarre markets as well as Altoona-Johnstown-State College. WGAL-TV8 in Lancaster and WSTV-9 (now WTOV) in Steubenville was carried on the same cable system in Centre County in the mid-1970s. WNEP-16 from Scranton-WilkesBarre was the ABC alternative to WJAC and WFBG/WTAJ-10 for many years in the State College region. WTAE also

could be picked up in parts of the region around Penn State. What I wonder: Given cable restrictions and the changes brought by digital transmission, have we seen an end to the days when multiple market coverage was a fact of life for much of this country? We certainly have. I think there are other factors, too: -In the early days of cable, especially in central PA at the very dawn of the medium, out-of-market TV was about the only programming cable could offer. Even as late as the mid-70s, when cable came to my area (suburban Rochester NY), there were fewer than a dozen "cable channels" available to be offered. So what else to fill those dial spaces with? Stick up an antenna and pull in Buffalo and Syracuse and a handful of Canadian signals for free. Today, of course, there are hundreds of channels vying for spaces on cable systems.... -...and no compelling programming to make out-of-market TV desirable. We didn't have an independent station locally until January 1980. So the availability of WPIX and WOR-TV was a very big deal indeed, being the only alternative to network programming in prime time, the only source for kiddie shows in the afternoon, and so on. Today? Not so much - there's essentially nothing on WPIX or WWOR or WNYW (or WSBK, or KTLA, or whatever) that's not already available locally here in the market, now that we have an independent-turned-Fox, a CW subchannel on our ABC station, a My Network LPTV/cable outlet, and so on. And even much smaller markets have their own CWs and Mys and Foxes. Pittsburgh desperately needed to see WJAC in the days when its only local VHF station, WDTV/KDKA-TV, was picking and choosing from all four networks' offerings. Today, there's nothing on WJAC (save for local news) that isn't also on WPXI. So why bother? -Network preemptions are much rarer than they used to be. The combination of full network affiliate slates in almost every market and newer network contracts that restrict preemptions make it far less likely that you'd need to be able to get WTRF to get a show that KDKA is preempting. Yeah, I like being able to use my antenna to watch "Face the Nation" at 10:30 from WIVB in Buffalo instead of waiting an hour for the delayed broadcast on my local WROC, but is that a compelling argument to put WIVB on cable? Not much of one... And, yes, there's syndex and other cable restrictions, so even if cable companies wanted to carry multiple channels' worth of what's essentially identical programming, they'd still have to black most of it out. It was fun while it lasted, but you know what? I'd rather have the 150 channels of HD that I get in 2011 from Time Warner Cable than the three NBCs, three CBSes and two ABCs that its predecessor People's Cable gave me in 1981. Nostalgia's fun, but I have no desire to live there... I'm surprised no one has brought up WSWG, the CBS affiliate for the Albany, Georgia DMA. WSWG is licensed to Valdosta, in the Tallahassee, FL DMA, yet they only target the neighboring TV market. I don't believe Valdosta's WSWG is carried on cable or satellite anywhere in the Tallahassee TV market. Unique? The simple history: Tallahassee and Albany used to share a centrally located CBS affiliate, WCTV, just like Dothan and Panama City do with WTVY. WSWG was UPN, after UPN shut down WCTV put CBS on WSWG so they could split the advertising between the two markets. I believe WCTV's signal blankets WSWG's entire viewing area so all OTA viewers in the WSWG viewing area have at least 2 CBS affiliates to choose from. I think about the one thing I miss about the cable of my youth is the variety of local programming. There was something really fun about the local shows ... and about doing the local shows as I did

at Dynamic Cablevision in Homestead. However, I'll take a lot of those 150 channels, with or without the HD, as I can watch 'em in my mother-in-law's family room. I like out of market TV because I'm a news junkie, and want to see the local news from other markets, so I miss being able to get Youngstown, etc...but only to a point. Just about any TV station of any size puts its news video online, including both Youngstown TV newsrooms (WFMJ/21 NBC, and WKBN/27 CBS-WYTV/33 ABC-WYFX-now-19/Fox). In many cases, if I want to see the presentation/graphics and hear the music, stations put entire newscasts online. I was watching full newscasts from Montana the other day. So, with technology, the need to mess with my antenna and finally try to get WKBN/27 from here (I'm on the edge of its signal) is less important. And I'd also rather have today's options than the Youngstown or Wheeling/Steubenville stations on cable, which they were when I was a kid. And the group ownership, as Scott mentioned, makes even comparing these newscasts presentations not as interesting as it used to be. Not only is Cox's WJAC a virtual clone of Cox's WPXI in Pittsburgh, there's another clone on the western flank...Cox's WTOV/9 in Steubenville. The anchors and reporters are younger in the smaller markets. Though really, even THAT is changing in the larger markets. We have MMJs here in Cleveland that just got out of college or maybe had one station on their resume before here, and Cleveland is still a top 20 market! Bin Laden is dead no regular TV schedule the rest of the night. Does anyone really care? After all this time? Well? KTTV in Los Angeles is showing FOX network programming. Right now The Cleveland Show is on. Undecided KSAZ Phoenix ran regular programming until 8:30 PDT/MST. No excuses for any western Fox station not to interrupt normal programming as soon as Bin Laden's carcass was confirmed. Yep...the Big 3 networks, plus KTLA, KCAL (who already has a regularly-scheduled primetime newscast), and Telemundo all have wall-to-wall coverage. Even though there's already coverage on cable via Fox News Channel, Big Fox really dropped the ball on this one... in a word yes. people whose family members and friends were killed care and many people like me who believe that the man who masterminded 9/11 needed to be delt with care. yes that will not stop the forces that want to commit terrorist attacks on our nation but it is an major victory. CBS has been live in 4:3 SD for this entire story... surprised my local (WRAL/Raleigh) didn't just say screw it and do their own coverage... There was no official confirmation at that time. No one had official confirmation until around 10:40PM ET.

This is obviously a huge deal. It's hard to believe it's been nearly ten years since this manhunt started and this stage of it is finally over. Let's just all pray there is no retaliation against this country in the weeks and months ahead. On a lighter note I see Fox News has his name as Usama Bin Laden. Is this some sort of alternate spelling I wasn't aware of or did FNC screw up again. Fox has always spelled it that way; it is an alternate spelling. The FBI uses the same spelling on its 10 Most Wanted list. The networks are going to be scrambling to refeed all these programs to their viewers. Expect some schedule shuffling as everything from The Amazing Race to The Celebrity Apprentice is reslotted. Of course we care! The most anticipated and celebrated death since Adolph Hitler! And those two are probably becoming well acquainted with each other right about now! Usama. Osama. Potato. Potahto. Either way, Bin Laden has involuntarily assumed room temperature. No virgins for him! KTVU is currently carrying CNN's live coverage of the news pre-empting Family Guy. I'm visiting my sister who lives east of Tracy, CA in Banta, CA So was KTVK until 9 - they're running local coverage now instead of CNN. KPHO (CBS) and KPNX (NBC) in Phoenix have gone back to regular (on tape) network programming. ABC is still covering the story, and KSAZ runs news at this time anyway and is covering it (finally!). Do people care? Uh...yes. When was the last time the big three pre-empted prime-time for breaking news? When was the last time a news event sparked immediate rallies in front of the White House and at ground zero? People care, and the networks were all over it. On a Sunday night, no less. KPHO (CBS) and KPNX (NBC) in Phoenix have gone back to regular (on tape) network programming. And no doubt they'll be reporting breaking news of a miracle happening in Pakistan -- Osama bin Laden somehow brought back to life and killed once again through the power of tape delay. In Canada, we watched Amazing Race uninterrupted, then switched to The Celebrity Apprentice, and Global broke away about an hour after Obama spoke, for a news break and PM Harper's address. Then the Apprentice resumed. Roll Eyes And FOX said they were canceling the first run episodes of Animation Domination because of the Alabama tornadoes. HA!! They knew all along the REAL reason Grin But did the Fox broadcast network provide wall-to-wall coverage, even as a simulcast of FNC? I didn't see any evidence of that here on WJW/8 "Fox 8", though they probably carried the Presidential address somehow. WJW stuck to frequent bulletins during its regularly scheduled "Fox 8 News at 10", at least in the pre-11 PM time frame.

Does anyone really care? After all this time? Well? Yes, I care. How often is the crawl on ALL the ESPN networks running news and to turn to ABC News for more info instead of sports scores and info? All the networks and cable news channels had regular weekday anchors coming in at 11pm on a Sunday night. SO what is the cable coverage of this like, I can't get OTA TV and I don't have cable. So I guess I'll bring my laptop (with the DTV tuner) to the library for awhile. My gym has CNN though, so I was kind of wondering is it all OBL? Of course we care! The most anticipated and celebrated death since Adolph Hitler! And those two are probably becoming well acquainted with each other right about now! Also Hideki Tojo, the Prime Minister of Japan whose thirst for revenge after the United States cut off oil supplies to that country in 1940-41 prompted the attack on Pearl Harbor. But to get back to television coverage: this is something most Americans have hoped and prayed for for ten years; naturally it warrants extensive coverage; after all, 9/11 is one of those "where were you when..." events like Pearl Harbor or JFK's assassination. And I suspect there'll be a lot more on the "Today" show, "Good Morning America", "The Early Show", and the cable news channels this morning. Let's just hope this doesn't unleash a wave of terrorist attacks worldwide. I first got word something was about to go down at about 10:20PM last night when I was on Facebook and I-98.3 (a CHR station in Eastern Connecticut) put on their Facebook Page "AP: President to Address Nation at 10:30PM Eastern. Subject Unknown). Through their Facebook Page I learned of Bin Laden's death. They had it even before the networks came on. I noticed that CBS (WFSB) was the last to switch over to news programming. FOX (WTIC-TV), I don't even know if they had coverage. They were still airing their own Sunday night Sports Wrap-Up Show - Sports Ticket. Later still I saw NBC (WVIT) running their local news and Sunday Night Sports Wrap-Up Show on a delay. Some time later I noticed regular programming on WFSB. What time did ABC stop network coverage? ABC wrapped up at 1 AM ET, an hour later than NBC and CBS (midnight ET). ABC News Radio, by the way, kept going another hour until 2 AM ET. They were running separate coverage from the TV side, with Washington bureau reporter Steven Portnoy anchoring. I believe CBS broke at midnight ET/9 PM PT so it could show the rest of its schedule in the Pacific time zone, with "The Amazing Race" bumped to 9 PM, "Undercover Boss" at 10, and "CSI: Miami" pre-empted for the week. KTTV in Los Angeles is showing FOX network programming. Right now The Cleveland Show is on. Undecided KTVU the Fox Station in San Francisco aired the Bin Laden assasination from CNN instead of Fox News.. In Canada, we watched Amazing Race uninterrupted, then switched to The Celebrity Apprentice, and Global broke away about an hour after Obama spoke, for a news break and PM Harper's address. Then the Apprentice resumed. Roll Eyes That's not a surprise at all. Canada itself could sink into the Arctic Ocean and CTV and Global

would wait until 11 to say anything. They won't even interrupt for storm warnings. The networks are going to be scrambling to refeed all these programs to their viewers. Expect some schedule shuffling as everything from The Amazing Race to The Celebrity Apprentice is reslotted. In Phoenix, CBS went immediately to "CSI: Miami" (after CBS interrupted Amazing Race and left me hanging). Then, in an odd twist, CBS5 broke in with local news before the end of "CSI: Miami". As a huge "Amazing Race" fan, I'll be on the internet tonight watching the end of the race. Then, I'll have to find "Desperate Housewives" and "Brothers and Sisters". Does anyone really care? After all this time? Well? Absolutely! It is a huge deal to Americans whose compatriots were murdered, as well as to the countries whose citizens were our guests and were murdered on that day, Tuesday, September 11, 2001. KTVU the Fox Station in San Francisco aired the Bin Laden assasination from CNN instead of Fox News.. It was not an assasination. Our country's stated position has always been that if we cannot bring him to justice, we will bring justice to him. We hunted him down, as per our nation's stated policy, and whether we brought him to justice dead or alive was no particular concern of ours, as per our nation's stated policy. He was the mastermind, which equates to premeditated murder. FOX 4 (KDFW) in Dallas first said something during their 9pm newscast (at around 9:18 or so). Ten minutes before that, my wife got on the MSNBC website and noted the first appearance of the "mystery" Obama address scheduled for 9:30. I got on Twitter shortly thereafter and it was there I discovered the address would be about OBL. The address at 10:02 PM CDT was kind of anticlimactic after that. I know that KXAS/Channel 5 and WFAA/Channel 8 broke in about 9:20 or so. I watched CNN until after the address - can't stand MSNBC and Geraldo Rivera was on FOX, and I can stand him even less. KDFW wasn't really saying much during their newscast except "We're following breaking news" and then repeating what was being said on Twitter, so I flipped over. In Phoenix, CBS went immediately to "CSI: Miami" (after CBS interrupted Amazing Race and left me hanging). Then, in an odd twist, CBS5 broke in with local news before the end of "CSI: Miami". As a huge "Amazing Race" fan, I'll be on the internet tonight watching the end of the race. Then, I'll have to find "Desperate Housewives" and "Brothers and Sisters". What, are they "Telling It Like It Is" at the Pit Stop? "Sorry, Osama and Saif, you have been eliminated from the Race." Phoenix, Sacramento, Tucson and Yuma all missed Race (Sacramento because of the unique KOVR situation). That's a combined market larger than Chicago that missed The Amazing Race. CBS didn't call in Weekday Anchor and HD version sound was low. FOX4KC showed it and at 11pm went to Seinfeld and not Local Newscast. CBS didn't call in Weekday Anchor and HD version sound was low. Their weekday anchor has already announced she's leaving. They used several members of the 60 Minutes team and Russ Mitchell.

Brian Williams arrived pretty late in their coverage, and he didn't stay long. Normally he would have transitioned to MSNBC, but he didn't. Yes he was on MSNBC at midnight and so was David Gregory. Well then I missed him. When I switched to MSNBC, there was someone I'd never seen before. Did Fox offer ANY coverage to its broadcast stations? I didn't see any on WJW "Fox 8" here, but I was tuning around and may have missed it. I heard that Fox stations could pick up FNC, which eventually got simulcast on the broadcast network. I like how this afternoon FOX News is still saying their stupid alert which both MSNBC and CNN just have regular graphics. This isn't a alert Did any of the networks do a prime-time special? I'm unaware if any did, as I was busy until 10 (and no one is doing it now). It sounds like they all decided an extended evening newscast would serve their news purposes. I think all three networks (with evening news, of course, sans Fox) extended their 6:30 ET cast. DCRTV.com says that Fox 5 broke in briefly then returned to an "Everybody Loves Raymond" rerun. Meanwhile, that same Fox 5 had a major gaffe right after the President delivered his statement on the death of Osama bin Laden... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4 I know that ABC and CBS stayed on until 7:30 (ET); I believe NBC stayed on until 8, because my local NBC affiliate usually runs "Extra!" at 7:30 and "Nightly News" was still on at that time. I wonder how many stations that air "Jeopardy!" at 7 are catching flak from their viewers? Roll Eyes WJLA won't this time, but they might for pre-empting "Wheel Of Fortune". KTTV in Los Angeles is showing FOX network programming. Right now The Cleveland Show is on. Undecided If it doesn't involve Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen or some random jackass running from police along the I-5 it's not news to KTTV. I believe CBS broke at midnight ET/9 PM PT so it could show the rest of its schedule in the Pacific time zone, with "The Amazing Race" bumped to 9 PM, "Undercover Boss" at 10, and "CSI: Miami" pre-empted for the week. "Undercover Boss" aired as normal in the East, or at least I got the ending of it on VHS, but haven't watched yet. I only know they weren't doing continuous coverage yet. "Desperate Housewives" aired as usual and was one of the best of the season. I used TiVo to tape Animation Domination and everything aired as usual, though it was mostly reruns. I wonder how many stations that air "Jeopardy!" at 7 are catching flak from their viewers? Roll Eyes WJLA won't this time, but they might for pre-empting

"Wheel Of Fortune". "Jeopardy" is airing a tournament, so that'll be repeated. That helps. I get the show at both times. KTTV in Los Angeles is showing FOX network programming. Right now The Cleveland Show is on. Undecided Strangely enough, both KWGN 2 & KDVR 31 simulcasted Fox News (Which was HORRIBLY letterboxed) I say it was horribly letterboxed because they either didn't realize that FNC now broadcasts to cable viewers in letterbox format or they weren't receiving the signal on their end very well. Either way, it looked AWFUL on both channels. FNC on cable however looked the way it was supposed to Cheers Cheesy KTTV in Los Angeles is showing FOX network programming. Right now The Cleveland Show is on. Undecided Yep...the Big 3 networks, plus KTLA, KCAL (who already has a regularly-scheduled primetime newscast), and Telemundo all have wall-to-wall coverage. Even though there's already coverage on cable via Fox News Channel, Big Fox really dropped the ball on this one... Probably intentional since coverage was already available on FNC (Fox Business didn't interrupt its programming & I seriously doubt many MyNetwork TV affiliates carried any coverage) Interestingly enough, ESPN had the story scrolling across on its ticker during SNB. Of course, they also commented on it while covering the game & showing the pride of Philadelphia (You could tell they were showing "Brotherly Love" to Al Qaeda Grin ) Does anyone really care? After all this time? Well? Yes, I care. How often is the crawl on ALL the ESPN networks running news and to turn to ABC News for more info instead of sports scores and info? Even the top story on SportsCenter took a back seat (Or second fiddle if you prefer) to President Obama's announcement (Which aired in part on ESPN once SNB finally ended) All the networks and cable news channels had regular weekday anchors coming in at 11pm on a Sunday night. All I saw were Brian Williams (NBC/MSNBC) & George Stephonopolis (Sp?) (ABC). No Katie Couric on CBS (I guess with her upcoming removal from the CBS Evening News, they probably didn't want to confuse viewers by putting her on). Everybody else was on all the cable news channels Cheers Cheesy The networks are going to be scrambling to refeed all these programs to their viewers. Expect some schedule shuffling as everything from The Amazing Race to The Celebrity Apprentice is reslotted. In Phoenix, CBS went immediately to "CSI: Miami" (after CBS interrupted Amazing Race and left me hanging). Then, in an odd twist, CBS5 broke in with local news before the end of "CSI: Miami". Here in Denver, CSI: Miami never aired. CBS O&O KCNC 4 went to network & stayed with it until shortly after 10:00 PM when they started their 10:00 PM news KMGH 7 (ABC) did the same thing though they dumped Sports Xtra (Or SPX as its known by the locals) & went back to network at 10:35 PM KUSA 9 (NBC) did the same thing though (Strangely enough) they never did go back to network.

They ended their coverage somewhere around 11:30 PM or so (??) (I forget now) Both KWGN 2 & KDVR 31 ended their coverage around 10:00 PM Also, I noticed that while BBC America was offering no coverage at all (Not a complete surprise), KBDI-DT 12.3 (Mhz. Networks) was picking up coverage from Al Jazeera. But that coverage ended shortly after President Obama gave his speech Cheers Cheesy Brian Williams arrived pretty late in their coverage, and he didn't stay long. Normally he would have transitioned to MSNBC, but he didn't. Umm.....How long did you stay up? Brian was on until the last couple of hours of live coverage on MSNBC (Those last couple hours starting somewhere around 2:00 AM ET & were anchored by Tomas Roberts) After that, MSNBC just repeated some of Brian's earlier coverage until their morning lineup (Minus the butchered Hardball show) took over Cheers Cheesy Also, I noticed that while BBC America was offering no coverage at all (Not a complete surprise), KBDI-DT 12.3 (Mhz. Networks) was picking up coverage from Al Jazeera. But that coverage ended shortly after President Obama gave his speech Yep, MHz Worldview went to that Al Jazeera English coverage nationally. I saw it here at the same time on WEAO/49.3. They kept it on for less than an hour, IIRC. There is diagreement on how to spell Arabic names in English. The same is true for Qaddafi, which is how I used to spell his name. Bad news for "Brothers and Sisters" fans: I assume last week's episode was intended to be the second to last, because last night's was advertised as the season finale. But "Desperate Housewives" (which apparently was pre-empted in the west) has a two-hour finale next week and then there are the Billboard Music Awards. How "CSI: Miami" is handling things I don't know. I don't even know what airs on NBC at 10. Bad news for "Brothers and Sisters" fans: I assume last week's episode was intended to be the second to last, because last night's was advertised as the season finale. But "Desperate Housewives" (which apparently was pre-empted in the west) has a two-hour finale next week and then there are the Billboard Music Awards. How "CSI: Miami" is handling things I don't know. I would suspect (But can't confirm as of yet) that CBS just simply moved all the remaining CSI: Miami episodes back a week (Beginning with last week's) as they don't have anything significant taking place that would need the timeslot before the end of the month anyway Quote I don't even know what airs on NBC at 10. Neither do I as I don't watch NBC at that hour (I watch CSI: Miami on CBS instead) Cheers Cheesy Southern storms prompt Fox to pull new 'Animation Domination' episodes

Likely due to the fatal tornado storms in the Southeast, Fox will be replacing previously scheduled new episodes of Family Guy, American Dad, and The Cleveland Show with repeats. All three shows were supposed to feature a special crossover arc involving a hurricane passing through all of their fictional locales. http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/television/5088913-421/fox-yanks-storm-episodes-offamily-guy-other-toons.html http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/29/fox-pulls-hurricane-crossover-family-guy-clevelandshow-american-dad-episodes-sunday-for-repeats/90996 Best time to reschedule them would be June 5 -- that's the first Sunday in hurricane season. They'll probably air them during November sweeps, after Hurricane season The only worse thing would've been to also show the Simpsons episode with the hurricane that wiped out the Flanders' house. What's next? Not showing The Wizard Of Oz and Twister due to the fact that both movies feature tornadoes? This reminds me of the time that The Price Is Right pre-empted a show when Hurricane Katrina hit and they were offering a trip to New Orleans as a prize and they didn't air the episode until a few months later. This just doesn't make sense to me. A hurricane in a cartoon city is going to be upsetting? Of course we do live in the United States of the Offended now. And of course with it being Fox there are those in the political spectrum that would raise holy hell. I remember after the 9/11 attacks. Nearly every TV show cut out any scenes of the World Trade Towers. When Pres. Reagan was shot back in '81. The TV show, Greatest American Hero, The main character was referred to as Mr. H. Because he name is Mr. Hinkley. What's next? Not showing The Wizard Of Oz and Twister due to the fact that both movies feature tornadoes? Kind of ironic that we were talking about "The Wizard of Oz" having aired on Cartoon Network earlier this week. No doubt if CN has any plans to show it again soon, they probably scotched that idea. I remember after the 9/11 attacks. Nearly every TV show cut out any scenes of the World Trade Towers. One example was "The Sopranos", which included the WTC in the show's opening. From the show's fourth season onward, it was replaced with more industrial scenery. When Pres. Reagan was shot back in '81. The TV show, Greatest American Hero, The main character was referred to as Mr. H. Because he name is Mr. Hinkley. In some instances he was given a new name entirely -- Mr. Hanley. When things simmered down, he was once again called "Mr. Hinckley". It could also be out of respect to those who lost their lives.......300+ now. The biggest disaster since Katrina.

With at least 338 dead, this week's outbreak exceeds the number of people died back in 1974's outbreak, when up to 330 people perished. After the Columbine shootings, Comedy Central pulled the South Park episode ""Tweek vs. Craig", they aired aired it later that Summer. WB did the same thing with the season finale of Buffy. In 1991, NBC aired a similar deal that involved a hurricane (Hurricane Gil) which hit Florida and included The Golden Girls, Empty Nest and Nurses all together riding out the hurricane especially The Golden Girls when Dorothy found Stan with her sister in bed together and Blanche and Rose holding a telethon for the McKinley Lighthouse with them being the only two there at the TV station besides the camera men and other people. No one raised a fuss back then when they showed those episodes. That was different. They aired that ONE YEAR before ANDREW hit South Florida. Since Friday 4/29, the Canadian TV Guide's website ( http://tvguide.ca/home/ ) has a cover story about the stunt, which was published on the site around the same time Fox pulled the episodes. As Global holds the rights to all three series, do they still plan to run them anyway, or pull them as well and just show what Fox is showing? Since many Canadian networks, including Global, embrace the Simsub concept very much, I'd say that Global will show what Fox shows on Sunday. Even these episodes had aired tonight, they would have been pre-empted anyway. In the East, not the case, as Osama's death was reported after Fox's primetime finished and most stations were showing local news. Did they air in Canada? I guess they won't air anywhere outside the US first As I mentioned before, I won't be surprised if Global also pre-empted the episodes and showed the same repeats as Fox -- to a Canadian commercial advertiser, "simsubs" mean more viewers watching Canadian channels and more money from Canadian advertisers; if Global was showing the new episodes as scheduled, they couldn't simsub Fox. Though then again, if Global went at it alone and showed the new shows anyway, why would a Canadian viewer watch Fox that night? Meh, I can't stand those cartoons nowadays. They're easily the most inane and distasteful shows nowadays. I agree, but that wasn't always the case with me. I used to follow Animation Domination block for many years even before it was called that. After seeing how FOX treated Futurama and later King of the Hill in their final runs there, I kind of lost interest in keeping up with the block regularly. I used to feel bad about how Family Guy was treated but I later realized the world was better off had it just stayed canceled instead. I'm glad that anime exists to fill the void left by not watching that block regularly anymore. What are ABC's weakest affiliates? I wouldn't be starting this thread if I didn't have two excellent examples. WPVI Philadelphia: A long history of dropping network programming for any stupid reason.

The worst (or best depending on your tastes) involved PVI not showing Edge of Night in 1979 but having WKBS 48 run episodes a week later. When the Three mile island disaster struck ABC ran wall to wall news coverage. The mistake: WKBS taped the 4PM hour (EofN & news) and ran it a week later making everyone watching think it was happening again. Recently they've just bumped ABC for local news events without thinking to use one of their subchannels instead. WMAR Baltimore has gotten just as bad when it comes to charity shows in lieu of ABC programming, even first run shows. Ditto for using 2.2 for network rather than an SD duplicate. At least Bomo folks have WJLA for their ABC needs. KDNL St. Louis. They're basically The CW Jr. in that market since they basically don't have ANY local news, not to mention they run Maury in the midday Tongue I'm gonna nominate WBND-LD South Bend Indiana, only because it's on a low power station. While they're carried on cable & I believe satellite, I believe they'd do better on a full power signal. The programming decisions are made in Chicago at the WCIU studios rather in South Bend. Weigel Broadcasting only has a sales department in South Bend, but not the actual TV station (same with their CW station WCWW-LD & MNT WMYS-LD). WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida mistreats programming from ABC on a regular basis: "Nightline" has been broadcast at 11:01 PM or later since the TV season of 1983-1984. "Jimmy Kimmel Live", which began in 2003, was not broadcast until 2005 and the station blacked out promotions for the program until then. The program is usually broadcast at 12:06 AM. "World News (Tonight)" is not broadcast on Saturday or Sunday. "World News Now" is never broadcast live. Prime time programming from ABC is pre-empted for a movie occasionally. The station would interrupt network programming during the night time and the day time for weather reports and display obstructive weather graphics to the dismay of folks recording their favorite programs. This applies to the stations in Mobile, Alabama with news operations or connections to news operations due to ownership. In 2008, the station attempted to broadcast "The Ten Commandments" from ABC on a delay of one hour in order to broadcast a local newscast between 6:00 PM and 7:00 PM as usual. The station instead joined the movie all ready in progress after 7:00 PM. After the network broadcast of the movie was over, WEAR-TV showed the last hour of the movie again after recording it as part of the original plan for the night. Never ceases to amaze me how South Bend has had an low-power ABC affiliate for the past 15 years, since WSJV/28 switched from ABC to FOX in 1995. Fortunately parts of the South Bend market get WLS from Chicago on cable. Three things come to my mind: 1. So much for the theory that network O&O stations have no choice in terms of having to air network programming at the scheduled time. I guess individual stations in the ABC group have more autonomy than I thought. Recently, I have thought about how non-O&O stations in areas where there is no connection to the teams involved (e.g. SEC on CBS) air sports programming without any thought to local concerns and, on the other hand, preempt programming that many in the local community may be interested in regardless of origin because station managers feel that airing a weather report (other than emergencies), news programming or charity events are more important. 2. Even if they can use a subchannel, most homes subscribe to some sort of pay TV service and

many may not know whether the pay TV provider they have has the subchannels for WPVI. Better to use the main channel, from their standpoint. 3. Maybe WPVI feels that Philadelphians aren't interested in Dancing With The Stars. Wink WTNH in New Haven, Connecticut. In the past they've pre-empted prime-time programming for reruns of syndicated shows they (or sister station WCTX) had the rights to and move prime-time shows to 1:07AM after Jimmy Kimmel. Pre-empting the prime time programing for stuff like St. Jude's Hospital or Operation Smile or Feed The Children. (That's what the 7PM-8PM Block is for - local programming, which is Jeopardy/Wheel) Plus they replaced the 1:07AM rebroadcast of the 11PM News with The Insider (which airs at 11:05PM on sister station WCTX). Then they show infomercials 1:37AM-2:37AM (or 3AM) which is when they air ABC's Overnight Newscast. And they're the only Hartford/New Haven station not starting their news at 4:30AM. They air the 12PM-1PM block of ABC Kids Programming 5AM-6AM. In the old days before they had a Saturday Morning Newscast and before there was GMA Saturday they'd air ABC Kids 8AM10:30AM and then show infomercials and low-budget programming 10:30AM-1PM. The shows airing on ABC 1030-1PM got bumped to time slots between 5AM and 8AM. DNL St. Louis. They're basically The CW Jr. in that market since they basically don't have ANY local news, not to mention they run Maury in the midday Tongue KSDK's going to be programming their news starting in January. I might an opportunity to see that product in action myself in April, so it should be interesting. And I do have a pretty weak top-market ABC outlet for you: KNXV. Their footing has always been awkward in the market. WMAR Baltimore has gotten just as bad when it comes to charity shows in lieu of ABC programming, even first run shows. Ditto for using 2.2 for network rather than an SD duplicate. At least Bomo folks have WJLA for their ABC needs. WMAR pre-empting ABC is kinda ironic consider that was THE reason why CBS had dumped them back in 1981...over WMAR airing every single Orioles game which, of course pre-empted anything CBS was airing. WJLA..ah they have done their share of pre-empting ABC lately according to www.dcrtv.com by reading some of the emails on there but I guess not bad as the old WMAL-TV had done in the early 70's. According to DCRTV ( well their mailbag..gotta hunt for it ).. ABC was so unhappy with WMAL thay they were very close to signing up with then-Metromedia in making WTTG DC's ABC affilate. For the record I believe the same post had said that CBS was just as unhappy with WTOP and they wanted to go to WMAL. Geeeee imagine what would DC TV be like had this taken place...NBC ( 4 ), ABC ( 5 ), CBS ( 7 ) and 9 being an independent. Oh an interesting thing about WMAR, they share their news chopper with other TV stations, but its NOT WBAL or WJZ..it with the WASHINGTON DC stations.

Maybe WPVI feels that Philadelphians aren't interested in Dancing With The Stars. Wink Kind of funny WPVI is bumping any network programming, as they are an O&O. WXLV Winston-Salem. Sister station to KDNL and WEAR; has no local news, although it does carry ABC News on weekends. WOLO Columbia, SC. At one point its "local news" was being produced at sister station WCCB Charlotte. From what I hear, the station runs fourth in a number of timeslots, behind WIS (NBC), WLTX (CBS), and WACH (Fox). WPVI Philadelphia: A long history of dropping network programming for any stupid reason. Sure, if your definition of "WEAK" is being the undisputed #1 station in the market for over a decade.... Roll Eyes KDNL St. Louis. They're basically The CW Jr. in that market since they basically don't have ANY local news, not to mention they run Maury in the midday Tongue KDNL definitely came to my mind first as "weak" ABC affiliates are concerned. Yes, we can poke fun at the operations of plenty of small-market ABC affiliates all day long, but here's a bush league large-market station that seems to be absolutely inept. Sure, if your definition of "WEAK" is being the undisputed #1 station in the market for over a decade.... Roll Eyes WLNE in Providence, R.I. That station has lost several shows from CBS-TV DIstribution after WLNE failed to pay its syndication rights to Dr. Phil, Rachael Ray & E.T. Lately, WLNE is showing shows that are normally seen on The CW or MyTV; Like Steven & Chris, The People's Court, Don't Forget The Lyrics, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? What's wrong with People's Court? It was airing for the past several years on WVIT the NBC O&O in Hartford. The only reason they had to give it up is because NBC is forcing WVIT to take two garbage shows - Access Hollywood Live and Real Housewives. People's Court is now on FOX at 1PM & 230AM. I must mention WEAR-TV stopped broadcasting the serial "Loving" (it later became "The City") between 1990 and 1992 and never broadcast an episode of the serial "Port Charles". Syndicated programs and local newscasts were broadcast at 11:30 AM instead. WLNE in Providence, R.I. That station has lost several shows from CBS-TV DIstribution after WLNE failed to pay its syndication rights to Dr. Phil, Rachael Ray & E.T. Lately, WLNE is showing shows that are normally seen on The CW or MyTV; Like Steven & Chris, The People's Court, Don't Forget The Lyrics, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? Steven & Chris doesn't even air on CW or MyNetworkTV affiliates for the most part. The show is mainly cleared on small (and sometimes LPTV) independents. Embarrassing to see it on an affiliate of a Big 3 network. Lately, WLNE is showing shows that are normally seen on The CW or MyTV; Like Steven & Chris, The People's Court, Don't Forget The Lyrics, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? Those shows are on a good number of FOX affiliates as well. Also, I think WCBS 2 in New York used to air The People's Court.

These are only the latest in an unbroken string of embarassments, failures, disappointments and frustrations for WLNE (the former WTEV) since sign-on January 1, 1963. In fact, some former employees of WTEV/WLNE have even put together a website devoted to fond (and not-so-fond) memories of WTEV/WLNE. http://chef.menujoy.com/wtev/index.htm WTNH in New Haven, Connecticut. Question - Does New Haven get any of the network affiliates from New York on cable, or at least did in the past? Obviously they are not in the New York TV market but the proximity makes me wonder. New Haven proper, unsure. Some parts of New Haven County - yup. The Comcast System we have at the club I work at in Wolcott - COMCAST based out of Waterbury carries WNBC (5), WPIX (11), WABC(19), and WWOR (23). I don't think they carry WNYW or WCBS. They used to get all of the NY network affiliates in the city of New Haven and they still get most of them (ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS). Nowadays, IIRC, no Fox 5 any more and no WWOR either. They do get WNET in addition to CPTV. However, aside from WNET, none of the NY channels are offered in HD. If you want HD, you're stuck with the fare from CT. I assume MarcB was using the Comcast cable channel numbers in his post. I only refer to their virtual channel over-the-air number: WNBC channel 4, WABC channel 7, WWOR channel 9 and WPIX channel 11. My friend in Stratford gets network duplication with Cablevision. Stratford is in Fairfield County so he gets the major New York City stations in HD. He gets Connecticut channels 3, 8, 20, 30, 59 and 61 in SD. It must be nice being on the county line of two different TV markets like that. If one preempts a network show, you have the other affiliate to fall back on!. Getting this thread back to ABC affiliates, WTNH-TV channel 8 of New Haven is usually third place in Hartford County, with the obvious domination of WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford and then WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain. Some areas of northern Connecticut may receive WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 of Springfield, MA. Comcast in New Britain only carries WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 from Springfield. They've never carried the digital signal of either WGGB or WWLP-TV (NBC) channel 22. WGBY is carried in SD only. These are only the latest in an unbroken string of embarassments, failures, disappointments and frustrations for WLNE (the former WTEV) since sign-on January 1, 1963. When that station hired a former news director from the CBS affiliate here as their VP/GM, it was described to me as "a distant third in a two station market". I believe he's still there, and there are still two former WOIO/19 "19 Action News" on-air staffers there. Sure enough. (VP/GM Stephen Doerr, anchor Allison Alexander and reporter Shannon O'Brien.) http://www.abc6.com/Global/category.asp?C=184752 http://www.abc6.com/Global/category.asp?C=183959 And it looks like WLNE is using the same slogan as WOIO. "Honest. Fair. Everywhere." That's not the road to success. Though it occasionally wins at 11 PM due to CBS' strong primetime lineup, WOIO is generally the fourth-place news operation in the market. I'm pretty sure their

morning news is watched by friends and family only. WPDE - Myrtle Beach, SC. Gets beat by WBTW who is #1 in the market. They are also getting beaten by the new NBC station that just moved into the market. WCIV ABC 4 Charleston, SC Question - Does New Haven get any of the network affiliates from New York on cable, or at least did in the past? Obviously they are not in the New York TV market but the proximity makes me wonder. New Haven is about 69 miles as the crow flies from New York. It's farther from NY than Burlington, NJ. New Haven is not in the New York TV market, however, it remains as a city in the New York metropolitan region. It's a 1 train ride into New York, so commutership remains and perhaps significantly viewed status of the local NY stations. I think those factors help keep the remaining NY stations on the dial, even though there is quite a distance still between New Haven and New York. This may play to WNTH's disadvantage of course being a New Haven station, in a county where there is interest in New York weather and info and local TV. WOLO/ABC 25 in Columbia, SC is less than impressive...I'd consider it among the weaker. KDNL is the weakest ABC affiliate. Just pathetic in every possible way. It's owned by Sinclair, the worst ownership group in the history of mankind. The examples of WPVI are a bit petty in my opinion. Sinclair does a pretty good job with their flagship station, Fox 45 in Baltimore. KDNL is utterly horrible. They haven't been 20% better since they dropped news, which was still not the great. KVEW 42 Kennewick (Tri-Cities, WA) does pretty bad too. They dropped all weekend newscasts, they have a 5-minute 11pm newscast, and sister station KAPP 35 in Yakima, WA dropped their 6pm newscast, with almost everything except for local news headlines on the newscasts coming 150 miles away in Spokane, where other sister station KXLY 4 is located. ABC is weak in the Eastern Carolinas (maybe their weakest stations on the East Coast), like what the other posters have said. WCIV is a distant #3, WOLO didn't even do news in Columbia until a couple of years ago, and have had about 10 different news formats in the last 15 years, none of them gaining any traction. ABC Columbia is probably their best effort yet. At least now they compete with the other stations. Charleston is Allbritton's low-end station, and doesn't get any of the gizmos that their larger stations get. They're better than they used to be. For about five years, they had a horrible living room set. Two years before the Ravenel Bridge (our high-rise bridge) opened, they built a set that included it. They are better now. WPDE has improved a lot since their beginning in 1980. But isn't WPDE soon becoming a #3 behind new comer WMBF News Sinclair does a pretty good job with their flagship station, Fox 45 in Baltimore. True even though over the years WBFF did lose a lot of their audience ( they were once a regional station reaching five states on cable..today more/less WBFF is only seen in the Baltimore area ) but

among the ABC affilates I believe WSYX in Columbus, Ohio is tops for Sinclair. Their twin operation WCHS/WVAH in Charleston, WV also is a pretty consistent second, mainly because WSAZ is pretty much dominant everywhere in their area, while CBS station WOWK pretty much sticks to the north side of the market to the detriment of Charleston and viewers in the south of their coverage area. It's always been something of a puzzlement to me that ABC is so weak in South Carolina; traditionally NBC is number one in Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville and Columbia; CBS in Charleston and Florence. But if you go into eastern North Carolina it's a different story. WWAY/3 Wilmington's strongest competition is probably from NBC affiliate WECT/6 (CBS is on low-power WILM/10. which gets its news from sister station WRAL in Raleigh; Fox is WSFX/26); WCTI/12 Greenville/New Bern/Washington runs first or second at newstime (it carries Oprah at 4 before its 5 PM news) and is about dead even now with NBC affiliate WITN/7. Norfolk's WVEC/13, which serves northeastern North Carolina, is usually first in news and has a formidable lineup of syndicated shows including Oprah, Regis & Kelly, "Wheel Of Fortune," and "Jeopardy!" But since I go to Myrtle Beach several times a year, I've been able to track WMBF's progress and it has made gains in a hurry; the station signed on just in time for the 2008 Olympics. I haven't seen anything like it since KARE/11 became the NBC affiliate in the Twin Cities; that station had been independent (WTCN) and it took about five years to pass KSTP for second in the all-important 10 PM (Central) news race. Rumor has it Belo is buying WLNE. I wonder if that will change anything... this station has always been an also ran in the market. I have not seen this one mentioned but I would add WVII-Bangor Maine. You know the station that tapes most of it's 11 PM newscast at 7:00 PM. I couldn't imagine a station weaker than WOAY (worst on air yet) in Oak Hill/Beckley, West Virginia. Not sure where you're getting your info. CBS is #1 overall in the Upstate (NBC wins in Greenville proper, ABC in WNC). WECT has always dominated in Wilmington. ABC is strong in the South in three large markets: Atlanta, Dallas & Houston. Outside of that, CBS still rules the roost. G It's no surprise ABC wins in WNC, as that is the only true news station for that area. As someone in the WLOS viewing range, I don't care for them. The newscasts on 13 are just....bleh. Graphics leave a lot to be desired and they mostly cover WNC. I know they're in the same market as Greenville/Spartanburg, but I've never really considered them to be, news wise. I still wish Greenville/Spartanburg and Asheville were separate markets so we could get our own ABC affiliate Cheesy WPVI 6 is one of the weakest FULL POWER stations being That they are on Low VHF, one of the few that use channel 6 for full power use. Late to the thread.... The worst ABC affiliate I have seen has to be KLAX Alexandria LA. It broadcasts ABC programming not only in SDTV but in horrid stretchovision. It makes KATV and KAQY look like major market stations. I would like to add one to the thread, since this is my first time seeing. I'm adding WBBJ in Jackson, Tennessee. Very horrible station, can't keep anyone there very long either.

Since my post in this thread, WLNE in the Providence market was auctioned off out of bankruptcy to Citadel Communications (not related to the radio Citadel, soon to be swallowed by Cumulus). VP/GM Stephen Doerr, former WOIO/19 "19 Action News" news director, is out, and they fired a bunch of people. I mentioned (or re-mentioned) WBBJ in my last reply, but it's my understanding that the rest of the Paducah-Cape Girardeau market (those in the states other than Tennessee) get their programming from WSIL (I think I have those call letters right) in Harrisburg, IL. As a Tennessean, I lived a little too far south to receive their programming, because we got ours from the aforementioned WBBJ, but it's my understanding that WSIL is a fairly weak station, too. Asking which ABC station is its weakest affiliate is like asking a kid what his least favorite vegetable is! Grin Yeah, Bahakel is very cheap with their stations. They own ABC in Columbia, and they didn't even have a local news studio until 3 or 4 years ago. Before, they did local news from Charlotte. They were stop and start before that. They have never had continuity with their news. WOLO is just adding a morning news and noon show in July, I believe for the first time ever. They only have news weeknights at 6 and 11 and weekends at 11. Even now, their weather is done from Charlotte on weekends. They were the first station in Columbia to go HD, but WLTX and WIS went HD a year after. Has anyone mentioned WKPT yet? WKPT is worse than weak. When they had local news it was so Mickey Mouse. I do not watch them on a regular basis but have heard that they may be trying to make something of a restart with some kind of local news. They have no chance against WCYB and WJHL. Holston Valley Broadcasting pumps tons of cash into their radio stations but does not put a lot of effort into the TV station. Surprised no one mentioned WNWO yet, back when they were an ABC affiliate, and especially during the days when they were WDHO -- at first, all three networks felt comfortable on the two VHF stations (WTOL and WSPD (WTVG)), with WDHO taking any leftovers not cleared by the big guys. WDHO successfully lobbied ABC to have them join their network in 1970, but the bad fortunes prevailed -- the owner, Overmyer Broadcasting, went bankrupt by 1982, and the station often operated out of the cheapest digs in Toledo, with its news department working out of a trailer (which almost got repossessed). The station got new owners and new calls in 1986, and a new network in 1995 (with another new owner, Malrite, soon to follow, which would build them new studios). But their news have always remained in last place -- even after WUPW entered the picture. As for news in HD on WNWO -forget it. ABC in upstate New York is an interesting set of contrasts. ABC affiliates are or have in the past been strong first-place finishers in Buffalo (WKBW), Rochester (WOKR/WHAM-TV) and Syracuse (WIXT/WSYR-TV). The Rochester and Syracuse stations both went worst-to-first during ABC's late70s surge and never looked back. WKBW's "Eyewitness News" owned that market for decades, but the station lost its edge under Granite in the 90s and is now mired deep in third place. But in the smaller upstate markets, the ABC affiliates tend to be incredibly weak. Elmira's WENYTV has always been a distant second to WETM/NBC. Binghamton's WIVT made a run at decent ratings a decade ago, but couldn't sustain it and ended up dropping local news almost entirely. The

ABC affiliates in Watertown (WWTI) and Utica (WUTR) were both Us competing with strong Vs, and after trying to do local news in the late nineties/early 2000s, both stations dropped their local newscasts a few years back. WUTR is working to restart a news operation now, but it will have a tough time against dominant WKTV. Both stations would be contenders for "weakest ABC affiliates," I'd think. Also worthy of mention is Altoona's WATM, across the state line in Pennsylvania. It's the descendant of the old WOPC-TV 38, absolutely one of the weakest ABC affiliates ever. In the 70s, WOPC ("Wopsy," for its location atop Wopsononock Mountain) signed on in the evening, carried ABC prime-time, then signed off immediately afterward. WOPC became WWPC and then WATM on channel 23 (and spawned a sister station, Fox affiliate WWCP-TV Cool, but never really managed to get past its "distant number three" image in the market. Much of the market got other ABC affiliates anyway - Pittsburgh's WTAE-TV in Johnstown and Scranton's WNEP in State College. Up until a few years ago, WATM/WWCP did just one newscast, which aired at 10 on WWCP and then repeated at 11 on WATM. Now the stations are in a shared services agreement with NBC affiliate WJAC, which produces a 10 PM newscast for WWCP and simulcasts its own 11 PM show on WATM. Are the American Networks showing the Royal Wedding? As subject, basically. Is there much interest over there? By the way, it's been confirmed commercial channels in the UK are *still* banned from showing adverts during Royal coverage http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373742/Royal-Wedding-cost-ITV-8m-lost-advertisingrevenue.html The 'Chimp incident' in 1953 still hasn't been forgotten it seems. From what I've googled BBC America is the only one I've seen that is actually carrying the wedding. All the usual suspects (CNN, NBC, etc.) are flying over the usual big names and production crews, so I'm going to assume it's going to be on multiple channels. It'd be interesting to see if the Big 3 networks actually carry the wedding as it's occuring during the morning news period (The wedding is scheduled for 6am on a Friday morning I believe) 6AM ET (I presume) is 11AM in London. That being said, did the networks carry Charles and Diana's wedding in 1981 live? I recall catching a tail end of it on CBS shortly after 11AM ET, in which the network promptly switched to "The Price is Right" already in progress, in the middle of a "Showcase Showdown". At least one network did - I don't remember which. I lived in NY at the time, and my mother, sister and I were up early to watch it. The 'Chimp incident' in 1953 still hasn't been forgotten it seems. So what was this "Chimp incident", especially since it predated ITV by a few years? I've read a few slightly conflicting accounts of exactly what happened, but the basic story seems to be this. NBC interupted their coverage of the 1953 coronation to show adverts featuring celebrity

chimpanzee J Fred Muggs, which did not impress the British establishment, who considered it in poor taste. This was at a time when Britain was about to introduce commercial television. At the very least, this led to this ban on commercial advertising during Royal events. Some commentators go further and say it was a key factor in the ultra tight regulation of British commercial broadcasting which is only now being finally relaxed. (eg product placement was legalised only last month, and the rules on it remain strict) I've also read reports that Mr Muggs was subsquently banned from entering the UK Cheesy I've no idea how accurate those sources are. eg http://www.tvacres.com/simians_chimps_jfred.htm To be fair to NBC, they had spent a small fortune on coverage and needed to get their money back somehow.... A few links here, all giving a slightly different story of what happened. http://books.google.com/books? id=40b9VU3xFgoC&pg=PA161&dq=nbc+j+fred+muggs+coronation&hl=en&ei=UMqcTdHXA9Ku8Q OVhfXsBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=nbc %20j%20fred%20muggs%20coronation&f=false http://books.google.com/books? id=fyt7GLmSEOIC&pg=PA50&dq=nbc+j+fred+muggs+coronation&hl=en&ei=UMqcTdHXA9Ku8QO VhfXsBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=nbc %20j%20fred%20muggs%20coronation&f=false http://books.google.com/books? id=ndvkTwjfP9kC&pg=PA433&dq=nbc+j+fred+muggs+coronation&hl=en&ei=UMqcTdHXA9Ku8QO VhfXsBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nbc %20j%20fred%20muggs%20coronation&f=false http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1993/8/1993_8_74.shtml From what I've googled BBC America is the only one I've seen that is actually carrying the wedding. Their page on it: http://blogs.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2011/03/16/bbc-america-to-air-royal-wedding-live-andcommercial-free/ Quote Set your alarms early for April 29. (...) BBC America has confirmed that the network will air Prince William and Kate Middleton's wedding, live and commercial-free, in a direct simulcast with BBC One in the UK. I presume the U.S. cable news networks will carry some coverage, though probably not wall to wall. BBC America, perhaps? NBC from what I read is starting their coverage at 3am and is indeed going wall-to-wall and sharing in ITV's coverage pool. I would assume since ABC and BBC share stories and news coverage that's where they'll get their feed, and any Fox stations who pick it up will get a feed via Fox News featuring Sky News's coverage. CBS is also going going wall-to-wall, though it's not known which British network they'll pick up.

Why is this big news in the first place? I'm inclined to agree with you. Even in the UK, many people are indifferent. But it is a big deal for some people, and as the biggest royal event in thirty years I was wondering if there was much interest in the USA. 3am EST you say the transmissions start over there? It'll be interesting to see what the ratings are. Royal weddings, and the royals themselves, are always big news here in the colonies. Look at what happened when Princess Diana died...it was the top story in the United States for most of the following year. As far as Canadian coverage is concerned...like I said on the Canada TV forum, Peter Mansbridge and Lloyd Robertson will have to stay put in Toronto because the upcoming federal election a few days later is of high importance to them. But I'm certain they'll deploy somebody to London in their places, and that CBC News Network and CTV Newsnet will have coverage as well as on the main networks. Back here, I know of a few networks that will not be covering the wedding: Univision, PBS, and of course C-SPAN (they did broadcast the Pope John Paul II funeral, which was viewed by about 2.5 billion worldwide). I have no doubt that this will be a big event on American TV when the wedding date gets closer. But why is British royalty a big story in America, however royalty from other countries is ignored by the media? Last year, the oldest daughter of the King of Sweden was married. She is next in line to the throne. But the marriage of a grandson of the Queen of England/British Commonwealth is a bigger story. I worked nights at the time of the Charles and Diana wedding and the wedding happened on my night off. Locally, here in Phoenix, it was two or three o'clock in the morning. I was watching NBC-TV. Royal weddings, and the royals themselves, are always big news here in the colonies. Only for middle and old-age female-centric programming. Look at what happened when Princess Diana died...it was the top story in the United States for most of the following year. The unexpected death of a young princess, under mysterious conditions, is a slightly different story than a wedding that has already been over-covered. Especially since the couple's breakup and Diana's "friendship" with an Arab and Charles public display with Camilla shortly thereafter. It was a soap with a tragic ending. The USA networks will likely be falling all over themselves to cover this handy event thereby once again leaving the hard and necessary news uncovered. We could call this wedding coverage the Disney News Network and hope to catch a glimpse of Cinderella in the crowd. Angry NBC is starting at 4am ET, 1am PT: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90042530?NBC%20networks%20announce %20extensive%20Royal%20Wedding%20coverage

ABC is doing the same from 4am ET / 1am PT to 10am ET / 7am PT: http://www.abcnewsone.tv/?q=node/3347 CBS is going from 5am to 9am ET (it doesn't specifically say that coverage will be live across the country, but I assume that it will be since NBC and ABC are doing that) -http://www.newsonnews.net/cbs/8107-cbs-news-announces-extensive-coverage-of-royalwedding.html Thanks for that. Hopefully Today will be a chimp free zone Cheesy Wink Like I said above, be interesting to see what the ratings are. If anyone from the thread watches, it'd be interesting also to know how much advertising they showed and at what points. It will be on bbc AMERICA! Just like the Princess Diana and Pope John Paul II funerals, us West Coasters will be pulling in an all-nighter with the royal wedding coverage. And for those who couldn't stay up, there's bound to be highlight shows in primetime as well as good ol' YouTube. And yes...ALL the major entertainment magazine shows will definitely be there as well, especially Mary Hart (in her last big assignment for Entertainment Tonight before she hands the reins to Nancy O'Dell). Why is this big news in the first place? That's my question too. Honestly I think it belongs ONLY on these networks (Via their owners) NBC USA Network or Bravo CBS None (Since they have no suitable network) ABC ABC Family or Lifetime FOX FX or MyNetwork TV (The wedding ceremony should be through by 7:00 AM ET when the MyNetwork affiliates start their morning news) Turner could easily use either TBS or TNT or The CW for its coverage instead of the CNN networks with HLN's Showbiz Tonight crew as well as CNN reporters providing the talent Just my opinion..... Cheers Cheesy BBC's coverage (which will be on BBC America here) will be anchored by Huw Edwards, not David Dimbleby as expected, even though he covered the Princess Diana funeral and has done every general election since 1979. David is getting a bit old now. Maybe Huw is being lined up as his replacement... According to my Frontier FiOS on-screen guide... All Times PDT KOMO 4 Seattle (ABC): Lists 1am-7am as "Good Morning America" (all coverage), then 7-9

(regular hours) KING 5 Seattle (NBC): Starts at 1am, ends at 7am then goes into regular "Today" hours, crunching Jimmy Fallon to only 23 minutes (12:37-1:00) KONG 6/16 Seattle, WA (Ind.) will air KING 5's 5am newscast, but no 6am 'cast, replacing it with two reruns of Roseanne (what's usually on KONG between 6-7) KIRO 7 Seattle (CBS): Starts at 2am, ends at 4:30 with regular KIRO news KCPQ 13 (Fox): Starts at 2am replacing paid programming, ends at 5 with regular Q13 Fox News Telemundo/Univision will air coverage, Telemundo starting at 2am, Univision starting at 2:40AM PDT -crainbebo What? Comedy Central isn't carrying the Royal Wedding? Cheesy Seriously though, in Canada, Comedy Network is, but that's because it's owned by CTV, and they chose to toss the wedding on almost ALL the stations they own. (Yes, including Discovery channel Canada.) Crazy eh? ABC already showed it and it hasn't even happened. Last week on "The Middle", Frankie was going crazy over it and her husband Mike couldn't understand. They "rented" a state-of-the-art HDTV for the occasion (something about being able to take it back if you weren't satsified, since they couldn't afford to keep it) and couldn't get it to work. Frankie got up at 3 in the morning and couldn't get the thing to turn on, then all it would show was football. Which Mike and his son Axl enjoyed. Somehow it finally worked. I will possibly tape the Royal Wedding. Taping off of CBS, the Oprah Winfrey Show (since Oprah correspondents will be there), Entertainment Tonight, Inside Edition (since Deborah Norville will be in London), and possibly Letterman (in case his monologue has jokes about the wedding). And yes, I am using old-fashioned VHS tape, no DVR yet. -crainbebo I probably tape it.then skim through the tape. I agree crainbebo.I still use vhs everyday.I do have 2 dvd recorders .I only use them for special programs like awards shows or special I want a good clean copy of.I would not bother to fire up the dvds for the Royal wedding. What about TSN? Sports and royal weddings don't go together. Luckily for the TSN folks, I think there'll be a nice break between rounds of the Stanley Cup. That said, I'm sure some TSN exec fears that. Despite the early start in the States and the general funding woes of public television in this economy, IMO I'm surprised that there are no PBS stations (at least none I'm aware of) that will be

airing the royal wedding. Out of curiousity, did any PBS stations air Charles and Diana's wedding live in 1981 (despite preempting morning airings of Sesame Street, Mister Rogers, etc.), or perhaps highlights of the wedding later that evening? I'm surprised that there are no PBS stations (at least none I'm aware of) that will be airing the royal wedding. Actually, PBS will be offering coverage from the BBC (looks like a simulcast with BBC America), 3AM to 8:30AM -- as for whether or not your local station will carry coverage, "check local listings". I had awaken by 4:04 AM Central time and checked which presentation to watch before settling with the presentation from CBS until WKRG-TV in Mobile stopped broadcasting it in favor of a local newscast between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM, even though they had two digital sub-channels (one for a weather radar and one for Retro Television Network programming, which consisted of advertisements from 5:00 AM to 7:00 AM). I was glad to watch and hear the ceremonies presented by NBC and ABC without any commentary for a while, since WKRG-TV had stopped broadcasting CBS programming minutes before the wedding began. Here in Cleveland, the NBC and ABC affiliates started wall to wall network coverage at 4 AM, and the ABC affiliate actually bumped its morning news ("Good Morning Cleveland") to a webcast on NewsNet5.com! There was some live coverage on all four network affiliates, but the CBS and Fox affiliates managed to get more local news in during the morning. As this was a really big ticket event of the year, no doubt the station's move may have angered viewers who tuned in to see the wedding. The only other substantial wedding coverage that WKRG's viewers will see today is CBS's hour-long highlights show at 7PM CT. Was WKRG's move isolated, or was it corporately mandated by Media General? not your local station will carry coverage, "check local listings". According to my cable provider's digital guide, WNET was carrying it until 8:40 AM, joining an episode of "Arthur" already in progress. Well, I taped the Royal Wedding. Got an 8-hour VHS (T-160) to tape with, and recorded the following: A KIRO 7 newscast from the day before (30 min) CBS' live coverage of the Royal Wedding (2 1/2 hours, time shifted, tape started at 2am in the middle of a NuWave Oven informercial, oops!) A KIRO 7 Newscast (4:30am) from 4/29 (30 min) Oprah Winfrey (tons of coverage including correspondents in London) (1 hr) Entertainment Tonight (Mary Hart/Nancy O'Dell in London, 30 min) Inside Edition (Deborah Norville live in London, 30 min) A KOMO 4 (ABC) newscast 11pm 4/29 (30 min) Letterman (not too much about the wedding but there was a Top 10 list) (1 hr) Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson (opening/monologue ONLY) Last Call with Carson Daly (no coverage here, but just taped it to fill time since I had about 1:00 left on the tape), and I still have 30 minutes left, likely taping another entertainment talk show (maybe Access Hollywood) on Mon. -crainbebo

I personally couldn't care less about The Royal Wedding. But I had friends in town staying at my house, and they wanted me to DVR it, so they could watch it the next morning. When I set it up, Comcast asked me if I wanted to add an extra half-hour, just in case it ran long. That seemed wise, so I responded "yes" - but apparently, it ran really long, because the recording cut off before the royal kiss. There's no emoticon with a sad face and tears, but if there was, I would insert it here. Are There Any Markets Where A Former UHF Station Leads in News? These days with digital TV, most viewers have no idea whether they're watching VHF or UHF TV. But in analog days, VHF stations (2 - 13) had a very big advantage over UHF (14+) stations because VHF signals were easier to receive and because VHF stations had likely been in the market longer. Before digital TV became the norm, I don't believe there was any market that didn't have a VHF station as its news leader in ratings. Didn't matter which network it was affiliated with. Didn't matter how much money each station put into the news product. Every place I know of where VHF and UHF channels co-exist, the VHF stations were always ahead of the UHF in ratings for the early morning, midday, evening and late newscasts. (I remember 7 markets in the U.S. where there were no VHF analog stations: Fresno, Bakersfield, Wilkes Barre-Scranton, Peoria, Fort Bend, Fort Wayne and Youngstown, so those don't count.) Now that most viewers don't know the real channel they're tuning in and most stations are really broadcasting on UHF, I wonder if any former analog UHF station leads in its market in even one newscast. I also wonder if habits are so ingrained that even where a station like WABC-TV NY, which elected to remain on VHF 7 and whose signal is troubled, isn't still leading with all its newscasts. WLTX in Columbia, SC is nipping at the heels of longtime market (state) leader WIS-TV. I'm not sure but they may have overtaken them in a couple timeslots. WIS is channel 10 and WLTX is channel 19. I would think Fresno, CA as all the big stations were on UHF in the analog days. NBC-24, ABC-30 & CBS-47 with Fox-26 from Visalia. When I moved to Fresno in 1991 to attend CSU Fresno I was surprised to get such a clean signal from 24 in my apartment just using a paper clip. Good times. Wink BTW: Fresno had KAIL-7 which became a CW affiliate. In Birmingham, WCFT-33/WJSU-40 (ABC) battles neck and neck for supremacy with WBRC-6 (Fox). WIAT-42 (CBS) ranks 3rd, and WVTM-13 (NBC) ranks 4th. Evansville and Austin are special cases - both were one-V/multiple-U markets where the VHF station ended up with Fox and the "big three" all landed on UHF. I'm pretty sure the Us in both markets are more than fully competitive with "Fox 7" in each case. In Birmingham, I believe "ABC 33/40" (WCFT/WJSU) is or has been leading against VHFs WBRC-6 (Fox) and WVTM-13 (NBC) as well. And Charlotte's WCNC-36 (NBC) has been a contender against WBTV-3 (CBS) and WSOC-9 (ABC), too. Other UHF islands: Peoria IL, South Bend, NE PA (WNEP, the country's model news leader),

(formerly) the Yakima-Tri Cities area of WA, and (almost) Austin (UHF leads, but KTBC was the only VHF in analog). (Edit conflict: Austin was already mentioned. That's right, Evansville almost qualifies too.) I thought WLKY-32 in Louisville was either first or second in the news ratings there, even in the analog days, against WHAS-11 (which broadcasts digitally on its old analog VHF assignment) and WAVE-3. As for KAIL in Fresno, they were Channel 53 analog, but kept their digital signal on VHF 7. Lexington/Danville, KY and Springfield, MA were other UHF-only markets. Here in Hartford/New Haven, CT, the late news is often led by WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford. The overall market leader, WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford, usually wins at 6 pm. Until WTIC-TV increased their news presence (and went HD on news) in 2009-10, the war WFSBTV waged was with WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford. The present market also-ran is WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8 of New Haven. They're always near the bottom of the news ratings in Hartford County, since their focus is more with greater New Haven and neighboring Fairfield County (which includes Bridgeport, Norwalk, Stamford and Danbury). WTNH-TV produces a 10 PM newscast for sister station WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 of New Haven, which almost nobody watches. It should also be noted that WTNH-TV is still a VHF station today, moving from analog channel 8 to digital channel 10. The only notables for the station are 1- They were Connecticut's first TV station (1948) and 2- They were the first Connecticut TV station to sign a digital channel on. In Austin, KVUE (ABC/24) is No. 1st, KXAN (NBC/36) is 2nd, KTBC (Fox/7) is 3rd and KEYE (CBS/42) is 4th. Fox is the only station that uses its channel number on the air. Been that way for a while now. Seinfeld to move in many areas... This just in: Seinfeld will be moving in March to many area in the U.S., including New York City and Chicago. According to sitcomsonline.com, the show will be entering it's 4th 'cycle'. I wish there was some sort of list to tell where the show will move to... What does the '4th cycle' mean? If memory serves, Seinfeld began syndicated repeats in September 1995, and they started on WHBF in the Quad Cities. Then he moved to FOX 18 in April 2001. Was that when a new 'cycle' began? What cycle is this and when did it begin? Indeed, when "Seinfeld" reruns first started airing in the city where it's based, WPIX/11 was the affiliate. Later on, it moved to WNYW/5 where it still airs today, but will move back to WPIX/11 this March. By the way, the New York move was reported last April. Talk about building up the drama! Incidentally, last year - on the heels of hearing WNYW would be losing rights to the show - I started seeing subway ads for it airing on WNYW. Too little, too late? (That is, if you consider nightly airings at 11:30 PM and 12:30 AM too late...) Here's the article: http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2011/02/seinfeld-moving-in-many-markets-in.html If Tribune is involved (they are in 3 big markets), "Seinfeld" won't move here. It's been on WJW/8, which used to be a Fox O&O, and is now owned by Local TV LLC (aka "Tribune Jr.").

Looks like "Frasier" is going away from the syndie market, according to the article. That'll be a hole for WBNX/55 (the CW affiliate) here... In the Hartford, CT market who has the Seinfeld rights still? Last time I knew FOX 61 aired it. KDOC (Anaheim/Los Angeles) is picking up Seinfeld, airing it at 7 and 7:30pm starting March 21st. It currently airs locally on KCOP, and has aired in the 10pm hour (Sunday-Friday) at least since 2003; prior to that, they split the double run at times between KCOP and KTTV. According to the Sitcoms Online blog, Fox renewed the show here locally, so I'm guessing they'll continue the 10pm run on KCOP, or probably shift it to a single run at 11:30pm (to replace that night's repeat of TMZ--that show airs five times a day locally). Seinfeld is going to WCIU in Chicago. It'll be a good fit for Me-Too as well. I think the WCIU spot said at 9pm on WCIU. In Hartford/New Haven, I believe Seinfeld airs on WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 of Waterbury. Seinfeld has been on all four major stations in KC (WDAF and KSHB in its original run, KCTV, KMBC, and WDAF in syndication). I guess we're keeping Seinfeld if Tribune is involved, though our late fringe ratings (TMZ, Seinfeld, King of the Hill) aren't very good. After three cycles, generally with two episodes airing per day, I think people are burned out on the show. Here in Phoenix, Seinfeld will be moving from Fox-owned KUTP to Londen Group-owned KAZT. Indeed, when "Seinfeld" reruns first started airing in the city where it's based, WPIX/11 was the affiliate. Later on, it moved to WNYW/5 where it still airs today, but will move back to WPIX/11 this March. By the way, the New York move was reported last April. Talk about building up the drama! Incidentally, last year - on the heels of hearing WNYW would be losing rights to the show - I started seeing subway ads for it airing on WNYW. Too little, too late? (That is, if you consider nightly airings at 11:30 PM and 12:30 AM too late...) I also occasionally see Seinfeld on WWOR "My 9" in NYC - which has the same owners as WNYW. If the fourth cycle is next, the current would be the third...! A cycle is the length of the contract. Stations air the program from Date X through Date Y. If there is any interest, a subsequent cycle is put out to bid. OK, so let's backtrack. Cycle 1 began in September 1995 and to my understanding ended in early Spring 2001, which is when WHBF lost Seinfeld to KLJB. However, the show (since April 2001) has aired either on KLJB and/or sister station KGCW (currently, the show airs entirely on the latter at least for now). So when did the 3rd cycle begin? here in Boston its moving from fox owned ch wfxt to wsbk ind blockhead!! KDOC (Anaheim/Los Angeles) is picking up Seinfeld, airing it at 7 and 7:30pm starting March 21st. It currently airs locally on KCOP, and has aired in the 10pm hour (Sunday-Friday) at least since 2003; prior to that, they split the double run at times between KCOP and KTTV. According to the Sitcoms Online blog, Fox renewed the show here locally, so I'm guessing they'll continue the 10pm run on KCOP, or probably shift it to a single run at 11:30pm (to replace that night's repeat of TMZ--that show airs five times a day locally).

If KDOC gets the 4th run contract and KCOP can still air the show does that mean the local exclusivity is getting a bit looser as the syndication rolls along? KDOC traditionally buys secondary or alternate rights in the same market. For example, Everybody Hates Chris has aired weekdays on KDOC but appears on KCOP over the weekends and Frasier reruns are shared by KDOC and KCBS but KCBS airs one :30 minute episode deep into the 2am hour where only insomniacs and the chronically unemployed can view it. ..."Seinfeld" reruns...moved to WNYW/5 where it still airs today, but will move back to WPIX/11 this March... I also occasionally see Seinfeld on WWOR "My 9" in NYC - which has the same owners as WNYW. Occasionally, indeed - while the show has popped up on weekends (usually Sunday evenings) on WWOR, it was never regularly scheduled to air daily on WWOR. Remember, they're too busy concentrating on second-tier-or-lower programming that WNYW otherwise wouldn't carry... I guess that's why there's no room for programming that serves the "public interest" of New Jersey... Roll Eyes But when all is said and done, New York City should be the last place that reruns of "Seinfeld" should be seen on broadcast TV. Kinda like how the Philly-based "Fresh Prince" still airs on WPHL on weekends. Of course the second tier programming he's referring to airs on tv stations all over the country so I guess alot of stations are airing second tier programming and for those who don't know wwor airs an african american block of shows in late afternoon. Not to mention WTVE/51, the infomercial-laden TV station in Reading, PA. That's the only noninfomercial program that they carry, I think! 'Inside Edition' also. But with WTXF picking up 'Inside Edition', WTVE might lose that show also. They also have that NY area local show by Richard French that is sandwiched between the two shows. We have the same thing here in Northeast Ohio: Mansfield independent WMFD/68, on the far southwest fringe of the Cleveland market, picks up some syndicated shows that otherwise air in Cleveland itself. It's a small list of shows - a quick look at the schedule shows "Access Hollywood" and "Family Feud". Though its cable carriage is limited mainly to North Central Ohio...it's not really seen further northeast than Wooster in Wayne County...WMFD does have a marketwide slot in the Cleveland locals package on both DirecTV and Dish Network. Seinfeld is going to WCIU in Chicago. It'll be a good fit for Me-Too as well. I think the WCIU spot said at 9pm on WCIU. Yep, another example of FOX letting go of the rights to Seinfeld and it going elsewhere. Initially, FOX had Seinfeld on WFLD ("FOX Chicago") and about 2 years ago they downgraded it to WPWR ("My 50"). Now, Seinfeld is going to be leaving WPWR and is headed to WCIU. Another great move by Weigel Broadcasting. Meanwhile, there's nothing left on WPWR that I'd bother watching. FOX has really ruined that channel..... Indeed, when "Seinfeld" reruns first started airing in the city where it's based, WPIX/11 was the affiliate. Later on, it moved to WNYW/5 where it still airs today, but will move back to WPIX/11 this March. By the way, the New York move was reported last April. Talk about building up the drama!

Incidentally, last year - on the heels of hearing WNYW would be losing rights to the show - I started seeing subway ads for it airing on WNYW. Too little, too late? (That is, if you consider nightly airings at 11:30 PM and 12:30 AM too late...) Has PIX released the air times? I wouldn't mind losing an episode of Friends at 6 ir 630 to get back a Seinfeld episode in the evenings. Seinfeld is going to WCIU in Chicago. It'll be a good fit for Me-Too as well. I think the WCIU spot said at 9pm on WCIU. Yep, another example of FOX letting go of the rights to Seinfeld and it going elsewhere. Initially, FOX had Seinfeld on WFLD ("FOX Chicago") and about 2 years ago they downgraded it to WPWR ("My 50"). Now, Seinfeld is going to be leaving WPWR and is headed to WCIU. Another great move by Weigel Broadcasting. Meanwhile, there's nothing left on WPWR that I'd bother watching. FOX has really ruined that channel..... WPWR-TV has been ruined by Fox. Fox has made a lot of dumb moves with this station. Letting Seinfeld go to an independent is really dumb. If WCIU will be carrying Seinfeld on th main channel, I wonder if they'll carry the HD version, or the SD version of the show. Fox was showing the HD version of the show. The DVD's I've seen in stores have been SD. fox has 30 rock, big bang theory and modern family in the pipeline why would they keep an oldy moldy like seinfeld. So how does HD look on WCIU's main channel, packed in with 4 additional subchannels and all? Then again, leave it to Weigel to cram as much as possible onto signals. They do that with their CBS affiliate in Milwaukee (2 subs and a slideshow real estate channel). Fox has stripped down for UPN affiliate (now MyTV affiliate) KTXH, too, since acquiring it from Paramount several years ago and pairing it with Fox O&O KRIV. KTXH used to be a VERY strong station -- one of the top-rated UPN affiliates in the nation, with great syndie shows and rights to several pro teams. Now it's just Fox 26's dumping ground for underperforming shows. @ding12: WRNN in Kingston, NY is similar to WTVE, with airings of "Inside Edition," the French show, and a sitcom just to cleanse the palate; in WRNN's case, it's "Cheers." Which leads me to: @teevee: When I was referring to WWOR airing "second-tier-or-lower programming," I was actually speaking in terms of the quality of programming on WWOR in comparison to the shows on WNYW. At no time did I mean any disrespect to any group. It's a situation akin to that of WPWR vs WFLD in Chicago that BRNout referred to earlier in this thread, and nothing more. And for the record, both WNYW and WWOR air "Wendy Williams." And WNYW actually airs the first run. I'm guessing that this won't make any difference in the San Francisco Bay Area, where Seinfeld already airs on 2 Cox owned stations - KTVU 2 (Fox) and KICU (indy). The show might leave KTVU altogether, but I don't think it matters to viewers inundated by 200+ channels. Who can even remember what station you've watched a rerun on lately? I'm not a lover of reruns in general - I haven't watched a Friends since it left first-run at NBC. But Seinfeld is somewhat of an exception, because viewers like me stop to watch those famous episodes...you know, like "The Contest." I've watched the show a couple of times lately, but I couldn't tell you if it was KTVU, KICU, or TBS.

Seinfeld may turn out to be one of those classics -like I Love Lucy, that runs for decades - or it might seem quite passe to viewers in the "20s" (2020s that is)...who knows...it depends a lot on how the popular culture changes during this current decade. It's hard to believe that the oldest Seinfeld episodes are already 21 years old (1989), and the newest first aired 13 ago in 1998. In my area, Seinfeld is moving from Fox 29 to CW 57, starting March 21. ISN'T THAT SOMETHING!!! In Houston, it's been on KHWB/KHCW/KIAH (same station) since first going into syndication, although it's been relegated to late nights and weekends. CW Plus Is going to air it as well Here's my question: Where has Seinfeld NOT moved to another station? In other words, which TV station has kept the show since syndicated repeats began? Co-owned WJZY and WMYT in Charlotte have shared Seinfeld the entire time. Then that means a hole lot of CW's Plus are going to air it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_CW_Plus. I would say WDAF would keep or give it to KMCI to show. In The Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, PA. market Seinfeld is moving from WOLF (Fox 56) to WNEP-2. and will be scheduled at 12:30 PM And 9:30 PM. Here's my question: Where has Seinfeld NOT moved to another station? In other words, which TV station has kept the show since syndicated repeats began? In Hartford, Connecticut. FOX 61 has aired the show since it entered into syndication. It wasn't until this year that they moved it over to sister station "The CT" WCCT-TV 20 (along with talk shows Steve, Jerry, and Maury). KDOC (Anaheim/Los Angeles) is picking up Seinfeld, airing it at 7 and 7:30pm starting March 21st. It currently airs locally on KCOP, and has aired in the 10pm hour (Sunday-Friday) at least since 2003; prior to that, they split the double run at times between KCOP and KTTV. According to the Sitcoms Online blog, Fox renewed the show here locally, so I'm guessing they'll continue the 10pm run on KCOP, or probably shift it to a single run at 11:30pm (to replace that night's repeat of TMZ--that show airs five times a day locally). As far as I remember, Fox never split the airing of Seinfeld in LA between KTTV and KCOP. The latter has always aired the show from 10p-11p, as soon as it departed KTLA. I believe WTOV9 (Steubenville, Ohio) has aired Seinfeld since syndication started, but will lose it on March 21st. They're putting up the brave front, 'Our research says that viewers want more news.' Hence, they will start their local news at 5:30, going up against WTRF's (Wheeling, WV) statewide news effort. This is yet another opportunity for Channel 9 to rip Channel 7 a new one, news-wise. I'm pretty sure Seinfeld has been on WJW here since it entered the syndication market. Seinfeld actually entered syndication in Cleveland on WUAB Channel 43 in 1995. It moved to WOIO Channel 19 in 1996 as part of a 7pm hour comedy block that included Mad About You. I remember the promos where viewers would say on camera "I'm Mad About Seinfeld, I'm Mad

About You." I thought it was clever. Fraiser would replace Mad in 1997 at 7:30pm. The Seinfeld/Fraiser combo would last almost four years before WOIO decided to air Access Hollywood at 7:30pm in early 2001 with Fraiser moving to WUAB around the same time. Fraiser would return to the 7:30pm in early 2002, and would stay there until September 2002, where WOIO moved to a Who Wants To Be A Millionaire/Will and Grace combo. Seinfeld and Fraiser moved to WUAB once again where they would air between 11pm and 1am. Seinfeld was a full hour at 11pm and Fraiser (I think) was on at 12a. Seinfeld moved to WJW in 2004 where it aired at 7pm and 11pm to serve as a lead out for their newscasts. It was part of a comedy block that included Malcom In The Middle, which aired at 7:30pm until early 2005. Seinfeld remained at 7pm until Access Hollywood became part of a combo in the 7pm hour that included TMZ. Now, Seinfeld airs at 11pm and 12:30am, while WJW airs a 7pm newscast followed by Access Hollywood at 7:30pm. TMZ airs at 12am after The New Adventures of Old Christine. 'I'm mad about Seinfeld, I'm mad about you' (LOL). Sounds like a promo NBC could've used... Thank you for clearing up my misinformation, CleveFan. I was actually out of the Cleveland market for nearly the entire time "Seinfeld" was on WOIO/WUAB! The CW 100+ network is picking up Seinfeld starting today. In Birmingham, "Seinfeld" has moved from WBRC-6 (Fox), where the reruns have been shown since it entered syndication, to WABM-68 (MNTV), effective today. In looking at the schedules for Memphis and Jackson, TN it appears that Seinfeld is now only available on cable from TBS and the CW 100+ network. No local station is carrying it. Seen on a NYC bus: an ad from WNYW/Fox 5 promoting "Seinfeld" with the line, "Putting the NY back in funny." They're airing a full hour weeknights at 11 PM. (I think it's replacing "The Office" at that time.) Yes, KTLA had the initial first syndicated run then it went to KTTV/KCOP. Also, KCOP is still airing Seinfeld in their 10p-11p slot which are the exact same episodes aired 3 hours earlier on KDOC at 7p. WKCF has aired Seinfeld reruns since 1995 and apparently will not part with it even at 11 and 11:30 PM. Seinfeld is still on Fox4 in Kansas City Yes, KTLA had the initial first syndicated run then it went to KTTV/KCOP. Also, KCOP is still airing Seinfeld in their 10p-11p slot which are the exact same episodes aired 3 hours earlier on KDOC at 7p. Thats dumb they also do the same thing with Everybody Hates Chris on KDOC same episodes they air on KCOP and My Wfie and Kids on KTLA. Well My Wife and Kids air at 4am on KTLA and it run muptile times on Nick at Nite and ABC Family Seen on a NYC bus: an ad from PIX 11 promoting "Seinfeld" with the line, "Putting the NY back in funny..." Didn't Seinfeld move to PIX 11 in NYC? My bad... Can't believe I did that, referring to the former station, Fox 5... Incidentally, PIX also has a

simultaneous ad campaign for "Family Guy" at its new time, 6-7 PM. The train ads feature a leather-clad Peter Griffin with the caption, "Does this train go to Chelsea?" CBS Early Show...Live Props to CBS today for doing--so far--additional live hours of The Early Show. The 8 AM CT hour was live (not an hour old), and was also fed to the Mountain zone for its 7 AM hour. "Live CST" fonts were in evidence. The following hour--8 AM MT/7 AM PT--was also live, with "Live PST" fonts. Question for Central zonies: was your 7 AM CT hour also live (8 AM ET hour), instead of the usual hour delay? And for left coasters...it hasn't yet occurred as of this writing, so I will ask in advance if the 8 AM PT hour was also live. Meanwhile, from several checks of both the ABC and NBC morning yakkers as aired in the Mountain zone, it appeared they were two hours old. A lot of that "Live EST" fontage. Roll Eyes Since I bounce between the Central and Eastern time zone for my career, I've always noticed that the 7AM CST was a tape delay for the Early Show. Ellen should be an afternoon only show It has been my assumption that the Ellen DeGeneres show has become one of the top-rated daytime syndicated talk shows. It seems like in most markets, the show airs in the afternoon, but there's a select few stations that still have it on in the morning. Here in Boston, it airs on WCVB at 9 am, which I have to say is pretty early for a show like Ellen DeGeneres. I know of other cities where it's on at 10 (WNEP Scranton/Wilkes-Barre) and 11 (WPXI Pittsburgh), but 9 am? Come on! The show needs to be on in the afternoon, so parents can watch it when they get home from work, and even so kids can watch it when they get home from school. I do know that with the Oprah-calypse happening, once she leaves the airwaves, Ellen WILL be moving to the 4 pm timeslot on WCVB, where Oprah is now. And I understood that Oprah is officially an afternoon show, and must air between 3 pm and 6 pm. I think Ellen should have the same rule, and maybe eventually will. Are there any other cities where Ellen is still on in the morning? I remember she was on at 10am on WNBC, don't if she still is or not. Ellen's on in the afternoon on both WNBC and KNBC; don't forget, they both have the fourth hour of the "Today" show from 10-11 AM local time. In my area she's on in the afternoon on both WNCN Raleigh (3 PM) and WFMY Greensboro (4 PM, and she's hung in against Oprah on WXII). Last fall, WBTW, the CBS affiliate in Florence/Myrtle Beach, flipflopped Ellen and "Let's Make A Deal"; "Deal" is now on at 10 AM; Ellen at 3 PM. Have any of your CBS affiliates done that? I think the trend for her is moving to the afternoon.

Off-topic a bit, but related in a way: Oprah and Dr. Phil have a non-compete clause. How many stations do you think will move Dr. Phil to 4 come September? I don't know if many will. KCBS has Dr. Phil at 4pm (Oprah airs at 3pm on KABC) and it isn't exactly a ratings blockbuster there. Judge Judy seems to be the better news lead-in for stations that have the option. WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford airs Ellen at 4 pm, opposite Oprah on WFSBTV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford. Being that they're an NBC O & O station, WVIT also carries The Nate Burkus Show at 3 PM. That's where Ellen was until last season. Ellen is on WKYC/3 (NBC affiliate) at 4 PM weekdays, against Oprah on WEWS/5 (Dr. Oz starting in September), and right before Dr. Phil on WKYC. 3 is the only local station that doesn't have a 5 PM newscast, due to Dr. Phil. In some markets Ellen is on in the morning because the network carrying the show also has the rights to other afternoon talk shows. I think this is a good example of why local markets are good. Let the market decided. Oprah started out in Chicago taking over AM Chicago, at 9am and remained at 9am since. Oprah is defiantely a morning show in Chicago and has helped WLS (ABC 7) maintain ratings throughout the rest of the day. Indeed, the reason Oprah remained in the morning in Chicago, was mostly because it was based in Chicago. (Probably why it also earned a nightly replay after "Nightline," as well.) We will all find out in about a year from now who the new Oprah will be. Ellen? Oz? Dr. Phil? Anderson? Judge Judy? Time - and ratings - will tell. Judge Judy has stated that she wants to retire in 2013. Ellen can likely pick up the post Oscar ceremonies, but aside from the celebrity stuff, I'm curious if she will tackle serious domestic issues and have authors on non entertainment topics, or if she will just stick with lighter shallower stuff. Or does she already do that now? Maybe she could consider moving her show to NYC, though I doubt that she would give up on the warmer weather of LA. Between Judy and Oz, I wonder if WTXF is giving "Judge Judy" or "Dr. Oz" the 4pm slot next season. Where Do You Think The (Rest Of) HD Subchannels Will Be Located In Your Area? Got to thinking about this late last night & thought it'd be a great idea for a fun thread. I'll start with my hometown (Denver) KWGN-DT 2 2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now) 2.3 - MeTV KCNC-DT 4 No subchannels (CBS doesn't believe in them)

KRMA-DT 6 No additional subchannels (I think they have them all) KMGH-DT 7 7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only) KUSA-DT 9 9.3 - Untamed Sports (Only if Comcast kills Universal Sports) KTVD-DT 20 20.2 - ThisTV 20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports) KDVR 31 31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up) KRMT-DT 41 & KPXC-DT 59 will have nothing but religious & children's fare. Did I miss anything? Thoughts? What's yours? Cheers Cheesy In Memphis ME-TV will probably end up on WMC, since they already have THIS TV, probably replacing Weather Plus. WREG has Antenna TV and WLMT has RTV, so they probably won't do anything else. In Jackson, TN WBBJ probably won't add anything to the weather radar and the main channel with SAP (Which is useless most of the time). WPTY and WHBQ in Memphis and WJKT in Jackson will probably sit on their backsides and not do anything with the major subchannels. WHBQ is a Fox O&O, and wasn't it mentioned in another thread that they don't allow subchannels? KWGN-DT 2 2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now) 2.3 - MeTV 1) MeToo is a local network in Chicago. Not national. 2) 2-2 has been announced as an affiliate of This TV. (Why it hasn't shown up yet, I have no idea.) 3) Why would Tribune pick up MeTV, a network in direct competition with their own Antenna TV? Quote KMGH-DT 7 7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only) Considering it's been announced on the Cool TV affiliates page and has launched on sister station

KGTV in San Diego, I'd say it's more than a possibility. Quote KTVD-DT 20 20.2 - ThisTV 20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports) See my above comment about This TV. Gannett does not own any This TV affiliates in any other markets. For that matter, Gannett doesn't own any Untamed Sports affiliates, either. Quote KDVR 31 31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up) Since KGTV is picking it up, this is not happening. - Trip EDIT: I realized that KDVR has Antenna TV. I don't see them picking up MeTV, since they're a competitor to Tribune's own channel. But stranger things have happened. Forget about MeToo. That's only on in Chicago (and soon in Milwaukee). And it's only on Weigel stations. I suppose that's true. However Tribune no longer owns KWGN 2 IIRC so when you really think about it, anything is possible. Quote KMGH-DT 7 7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only) Quote Considering it's been announced on the Cool TV affiliates page and has launched on sister station KGTV in San Diego, I'd say it's more than a possibility. Really? KMGH doesn't exactly strike me as a station that would be interested in carrying a 24/7 music video channel. Having said that, stranger things have happened Quote Quote KTVD-DT 20 20.2 - ThisTV 20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports) For that matter, Gannett doesn't own any Untamed Sports affiliates, either. That don't mean they won't someday. Besides, suppose Universal Sports finally takes off (Not saying that it will mind you but still)? Universal Sports would take care of their NBC affiliates BUT what about their CBS, ABC & MyNetwork affiliates? What's there to cover them? (Incidentally, KTVD does own the rights to Denver Broncos games when they are on MNF or NFL Network & until recently had the rights to select Colorado Rockies games produced by FSN Rocky Mountain) Quote KDVR 31 31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up) In Atlanta they will probably all be on the new WTBS-LP (yes, somebody brought the

call letters back) TV 26. It is a sister station to WANN-LP 32, which has 10 subs and several radio signals. Both are owned by Prism Broadcasting. Currently WTBS is repeating what's on WANN. Hopefully that will change soon and we will maybe get some Me-TV or Antenna TV. They have pretty good coverage unless it's windy or raining. All the big fat cat regular stations don't have much interest in subs. WSB has Retro TV but most have nothing or weather/Universal sports, ION, religious and PBS stuff. We also have 2 low power Korean stations. Ok, as of today 26 and 32 are doing their own thing..... WANN WTBS 32.1 program guide 26.1 country music (guitar logo) 32.2 Tr3s (spanish music) 26.2 BIZ tv 32.3 This-TV 26.3 program guide 32.4 prism (local movies) 26.4 nothing 32.5 oldie goldie (local b&w) 26.5 oldie goldie 32.6 LATV (latino - latina) 26.6 prism 32.7 TUFF-TV 26.7 This-TV 32.8 Legacy (family tv) 26.8 color bars 32.9 jewelry tv 26.9 Tr3s 32.10 cornerstone (sales) 26.10 jewelry tv PLUS RADIO STATIONS on WANN only Clarification: HD subchannels are something radio does, not TV. In radio, HD stands for Hybrid Digital. On TV, the HD channel or channels would be subchannels. I've never heard of multiple HD subchannels for one channel, but I suppose it's possible. HD subchannels take up a lot more space than standard subchannels. I guess there'd be mltiple HD channels if several primary channels (I'm referring to what used to be just "channels" in the days of analog) were forced to share, with one becoming a subchannel of the other. I've already said that I expect MeTV to show up on Raycom's WUAB/43.3, next to MGM/Weigel's This TV on 43.2. In Springfield, IL (whose market also includes Decatur and Champaign), for about the past year we have been noticing that we are supposed to be getting Cool TV and the Country Network on our local Sinclair stations (WICS-20 Springfield, WICD-15 Champaign), both Sinclair-owned ABC affiliates and sister stations (simulcast everything except local news and commericals). However, we still have yet to see those channels--even though Cool is on the air on neighboring market Sinclair stations in Peoria/Bloomington (WYZZ-43.2) and even the infamous KDNL in St. Louis (and I think they may even have Country Network too). But I'm not holding my breath that Springfield viewers will see Cool or Country Network anytime soon. As far as the other HD subchannels--I'm not holding my breath on any of those in our market, considering the ownership of our local stations (two sets of which are owned by Sinclair and Nexstar). I've never heard of multiple HD subchannels for one channel, but I suppose it's possible. HD subchannels take up a lot more space than standard subchannels. I guess there'd be mltiple HD channels if several primary channels (I'm referring to what used to be just "channels" in the days of analog) were forced to share, with one becoming a subchannel of the other. 2 HD streams on one channel are being done in many smaller markets. Examples:

Beaumont, TX - KBMT 12-1 ABC 720p, 12-2 NBC 720p Sherman, TX - KXII 12-1 CBS 1080i, 12-2 MyN 480i, 12-3 FOX 720p Alexandria, LA - KALB 5-1 NBC 1080i, 5-2 CBS 1080i Youngstown, OH - WKBN 27-1 CBS 720p (downconvert), 27-2 Fox 720p In Springfield MO, The CW was moved from a SDTV subchannel on KYTV to an HD one on KSPR (ABC on "33-1", CW on "33-2"). KSPR's airtime is being leased to KYTV that market's NBC affiliate. KYTV was airing a local wx channel (org was NBC WX Plus back in the day). The subs in this area are SDTV, although two legacy stations have subchannel FOX affiliations. WABG (Greenwood/Greenville MS) airs FOX on sub "6-2" in 4x3 SD OAR, while sadly KTVE (El Dorado AR/Monroe LA) airs FOX on sub "10-2" in horrid stretchovision. All of the ABC O&Os air a second subchannel in HD---the "Living Well Network," in addition to a third SD subchannel. O&Os WTVG/13 Toledo OH and WJRT/12 Flint MI bumped "Living Well" to SD recently...likely because ABC is selling its two smallest O&Os off to SJL. ...in Tucson, NBC affiliate KVOA/v4 and Telemundo O&O KHRR/40 both have no subchannels currently; Wikipedia claims RTV is supposed to pop up as 4.2, but I don't know low long that note has been there, and there's nothing about RTV on the KVOA web site. If Universal Sports appears anywhere in Tucson, I'd suspect it would be on 4.x or 40.x. KOLD-TV/13.3 is currently blank; I thought Antenna TV was going to pop up there on New Years' but it didn't. MeTV could fit on KMSB/v11.3; 11.2 is currently ThisTv... Biggest offenders for interrupting programing for severe weather These stations will go to non stop radar coverage even if they storm if only affecting like five people on the fringes of their viewing area who may watch programming from another market. (Like in Sedalia, MO, between the Kansas City and Columbia-Jefferson City markets). Worse, stations are only required to re-run interrupted shows if they interrupt the whole show. You're screwed if they even interrupt five minutes. Do O&Os do this any less? Katie Horner- KCTV. Stations don't have to re-run interrupted or preempted shows. They just have to report they didn't run the spots. News people like interrupting shows and talking non-stop about something. It's what gets their juices going. Makes them feel important. They also know weather hooks a lot of people so they use any excuse to hype it. Fortunately, most shows are available online shortly after the scheduled broadcast. Check the network's website. The TV stations in the Mobile-Pensacola market with news operations or connections to news operations by means of dual ownership are regular big offenders when it comes to interrupting regular programming or interfering with programs by displaying graphics that ruin the viewing experience and force folks who want to record their favorite programs to purchase them or wait for them to become available on video.

I had to wait for a particular episode of "Inspector Gadget" to be broadcast again in order to have a recording on videotape without weather graphics on the screen. Unfortunately I cannot do the same thing for an episode of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz", since ThisTV no longer presents the program. Both programs are available on Jaroo on the World Wide Web. The TV stations in CT are the worst for putting scrolling messages across the screen during severe weather (or the forecast for severe weather). I was in CT over the Christmas holiday and on Christmas day WTNH was constantly scrolling a message (and a map) about a potential blizzard coming in the following evening. I could see if they scrolled this once, but no, the message kept scrolling for hours while we watched the NBA game...and the storm was still 24 hours away. The NYC stations are not too bad. They will usually have a quick news update at the top of the hour, and sometimes have a quick scroll at the bottom of the screen. ...back when I had the Dallas-Ft. Worth locals thru Dish, I became incredibly familiar with Troy Dungan -- not because I watched News 8 (which I didn't), but because WFAA would interrupt whatever programming there was for the slightest weather "bulletin". Dungan and Tucker Carlson drained out of me whatever affection for the bow tie that I'd ever had until then... Katie Horner- KCTV. I agree with you here. I remember Katie doing this, too, and I left Kansas City about 10 years ago. There was even a Facebook page for awhile called "Katie Horner Frightens Me Unnecessarily!" She's incredibly annoying, though it was pretty cool to see a friend tape her when she came in over the weekend and covered severe weather in jeans and a ball cap! I grew up in Texas and Oklahoma, and my big complaint about the Dallas stations was that they never covered the weather until the storm was practically right on top of the Metroplex. Only WFAA and, after it switched to CBS, KTVT ever showed the severe weather map. KDFW would just put a "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING" (or whatever the warning was) at the bottom of the screen while KXAS would just put a picture of a tornado or a lightning bolt in the upper right or left corner with "WATCH" or "WARNING" written over it. KXAN, Austin's NBC affiliate. Screamin' Jim Spencer will go live for hours every time it so much as drizzles, doing his damnedest to scare the crap out of the people. And ... that's why I watch (#1 rated) KVUE for my news and weather. WTMJ in Milwaukee is bar-none beyond the worst when it comes to storm coverage in our area. Five inches=a 4am start time and a probable news block all the way to 1pm repeating that it's snowing over and over again. Since they pretty much ditched all syndicated programming outside of a 2pm block of "Better" (which trust me is plenty pre-emptable in itself), they will do everything they can to stay on the air during what they call 'bad weather'. WISN may be a little worse but usually they won't try to tick off "View" and soap fans and pre-empt those, while WITI usually doesn't pre-empt much since they have a weather department with pretty good editorial control, and WDJT/CBS doesn't at all usually. WEWS/5 (ABC) Cleveland. Chief met Mark Johnson will take to the air if there's a tornado warning anywhere in the entire Northern Ohio area, even if it's just out of the market. He's so bad about getting overhyped about severe weather, NBC affiliate WKYC/3 uses "prepare, not scare" as a weather motto! In other words, if there's a Tornado Warning in Williams County -- on the Indiana border far from

Cleveland, he'll break into programming. The TV stations in the Mobile-Pensacola market with news operations or connections to news operations by means of dual ownership are regular big offenders when it comes to interrupting regular programming or interfering with programs by displaying graphics that ruin the viewing experience and force folks who want to record their favorite programs to purchase them or wait for them to become available on video. I think the stations in just about every market in Alabama do this. I'm in the Birmingham market and we get wall-to-wall severe weather coverage during every tornado warning on the ABC, FOX, NBC and (sometimes) CBS stations. In other words, if there's a Tornado Warning in Williams County -- on the Indiana border far from Cleveland, he'll break into programming. When living in Columbus, Ohio about 20 yrs ago, one of the local stations (I think WCMH) broke in with a Tornado Warning which, it turned out, was a report of a funnel cloud that a Marion County Sheriff's Deputy thought he had seen! Not quite that far west, but not far...I know he's gone on the air for Findlay, south of Toledo. And definitely in the Toledo market, not the Cleveland market. I think here in Boston, WBZ would be the worst, though I think they've improved a bit in recent years. I remember during "The Price is Right," they would interrupt for a rainstorm occasionally, but they would usually do it during a one-bid or a prize description so the viewer didn't miss much. I think the worst offender is some CBS station down in Texas that dared to interrupt the season finale of "Criminal Minds" with a tornado warning -or at least one woman thought so... Roll Eyes Phoenix stations are conservative with their interruptions, but they do have to run crawls for a very geographically large broadcast area (two thirds to three fourths of the state of Arizona; 11 of its 15 counties). KSAZ actually does not have HD weather crawl equipment either, so some football games flip back to crawls (though they now have HD crawl equipment to ID their translators). We have some very odd geographic descriptors often used alongside the counties: "Northwest Deserts", "Kaibab Plateau", "First and Second Mesa" (used because the northern AZ counties are very oddly shaped). I'm interested in what people feel station policies on severe weather should be. My feeling... a crawl and/or radar for severe warnings (blizzard, flood, hurricane, thunderstorm, tornado, tropical storm, winter storm) immediately upon issuance and continuing until expiration. Make it small enough so as not to be intrusive; cut-in for **brief** updates at the top and/or bottom of the hour. KMBC has definitely taken over the reins from KCTV when it comes to leading severe weather fright night. If there is an excuse to put Johnny Rowlands in the air to chase clouds, they will do it. One funnel cloud on live TV will provide a month of POP promos. I think KCTV learned a huge lesson when they interrupted the last ten minutes of a Survivor season finale for a severe weather warning on the fringe of the DMA. We're in a bind, because April-June is a heavy severe weather season for us, and most people outside the cities don't have an alternative to TV for severe weather information, other than looking out the window. Most radio stations in Kansas City don't even both with severe weather information.

WTMJ in Milwaukee is bar-none beyond the worst when it comes to storm coverage in our area. Five inches=a 4am start time and a probable news block all the way to 1pm repeating that it's snowing over and over again. Since they pretty much ditched all syndicated programming outside of a 2pm block of "Better" (which trust me is plenty pre-emptable in itself), they will do everything they can to stay on the air during what they call 'bad weather'. I also second WTMJ. If they aren't breaking in, programming is squeezed and stretched with maps and crawls on the side of the screen. In other words, if there's a Tornado Warning in Williams County -- on the Indiana border far from Cleveland, he'll break into programming. Not quite that far west, but not far...I know he's gone on the air for Findlay, south of Toledo. And definitely in the Toledo market, not the Cleveland market. In that case, doesn't the Time Warner system in Findlay carry WEWS? 2, 4, and 5 in St. Louis are all bad. Also, this time of the year, they tend to show programs in a box to show constantly repeating school closings at the bottom of the screen, which is about as annoying as trying to watch a program on the TV Guide network with the guide rolling at the bottom. With HDTV, why not guide people to a sub channel for weather info instead of interrupting programs. Another reason I watch less and less network TV, and the network shows I do watch, I tend to watch on Hulu or the network's website... 4 in Kansas City lacks the ability do display snow closings in HD (except for the news, last in market to go HD) We're in a bind, because April-June is a heavy severe weather season for us, and most people outside the cities don't have an alternative to TV for severe weather information, other than looking out the window. Most radio stations in Kansas City don't even both with severe weather information. What about KMBZ's Operation Stormwatch (as long as the storm isn't during a weekend or after business hours)? I'm interested in what people feel station policies on severe weather should be. More stations should broadcast weather reports during commercial breaks only and display only small text of counties under storm watches or warnings at the bottom of the screen rather than maps highlighting the counties. Doing too much could make viewers and listeners lose interest, which could lead to danger in the distant future for some folks. Interrupting commercial breaks may mean lost advertising revenue, but it shouldn't matter if the stations are willing to have long weather reports after interrupting other programs, including the flow of newscasts. Just put up a crawl that says, "Bad weather occurring. Tune in at ten, for details on where it happened and who was affected". (Don't laugh. It's been suggested to me numerous times.) Seriously, I believe that we should give the public as much information as is possible, to keep them safe. But, most people don't seem to care....especially when it gets in the way of their TV program. Maybe a continuous logo "bug" that denotes the type of emergency, and tells people to tune to the weather sub-channel for details would work...except those sub-channels don't show up for satellite, and some cable subscribers.

In that case, doesn't the Time Warner system in Findlay carry WEWS? Well, you learn something new every day. Sure enough, WEWS is on the Findlay TWC system, along with WUAB/43. None of the other Cleveland stations are, everything else is Toledo, and the two full-power Lima stations (WLIO and WTLW). My point still stands, though...Findlay is NOT in the Cleveland market, it's in the Toledo market. WEWS is there for some historic reason, but ABC viewers are watching WTVG/13 (and ABC-wise, only WTVG is in HD, WEWS is only SD). I've still never forgiven them for dumping CBET/CBC Windsor, tho. Cheesy And well, unless they have relatives over there, no one actually in the Cleveland market cares when Mark Johnson gets excited about a funnel cloud in Findlay. The Lake Erie Islands? Sure, I can see that. They are just out of the market (which goes to Sandusky, basically), but there are a lot of people in Northeast Ohio who visit Put-in-Bay, Kelleys Island, etc. Findlay? Not so much. The stations here go crazy over severe weather. Last week, when we had our ice storm, all the stations preempted some part of their morning programming in order to show ice storm reports. WCSC even preempted part of the "Early Show". When there's a tornado anywhere in the viewing area (stretching from Hardeeville, near Savannah to Myrtle Beach), the stations interrupt. It wasn't until this year that WCBD got an HD weather crawl. All the stations have crawls, even for minor events like Lake Wind Advisories and High Wind Watches. The final episode of the "West Wing" was airing, and WCBD preempted it in the middle in order to show a tornado warning for the Charleston area. They did air it the next Saturday, though. Many a sporting event has been preempted due to weather, even NBA and NHL playoff games. Findlay is indeed in the Toledo market: http://www.echostaruser.com/TVMarkets/City%20Maps/Toledo.gif (Findlay is the Hancock County seat.) The stations here go crazy over severe weather. Last week, when we had our ice storm, all the stations preempted some part of their morning programming in order to show ice storm reports. WCSC even preempted part of the "Early Show". When there's a tornado anywhere in the viewing area (stretching from Hardeeville, near Savannah to Myrtle Beach), the stations interrupt. It wasn't until this year that WCBD got an HD weather crawl. All the stations have crawls, even for minor events like Lake Wind Advisories and High Wind Watches. The final episode of the "West Wing" was airing, and WCBD preempted it in the middle in order to show a tornado warning for the Charleston area. They did air it the next Saturday, though. Many a sporting event has been preempted due to weather, even NBA and NHL playoff games. Early in this thread, one of the locales mentioned was Sedalia, MO. I did weather a number of years ago (radio) in that area and my station owner sent me to the weather bureau in Columbia ON

THE TIME CLOCK because he wanted us to be on a first name basis with those people when youknow-what hits the fan. The LISTENERS attitudes and the stations attitudes about how to handle weather is different if you are located in "Tornado Alley". There are some grieving family members around Cincinnati, Arkansas who wish information had been available and wish the TV stations had generously interrupted their programming a couple of weeks back. If we routinely had reports of tornadoes devastating Central Park, NYC, network honchos would find ways to redesign the delivery of network programming so that interruptions could somehow be accomplished more gracefully. WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida would display a small weather map and text over scores during sports programming from ABC and over the text at the bottom of the screen during "Good Morning America". They would occasionally move the map and text close to the top of the screen during sports programming and more often for the syndicated version of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire". The same map and text are displayed by WFGX-TV (licensed to Fort Walton Beach, Florida), which has the same owners as WEAR-TV. WALA-TV in Mobile and WFNA-TV in Gulf Shores, Alabama, both of which share the same owners, would display a large scrolling ticker with weather information squeezing the programs they broadcast. They each display a small weather map and text after the ticker. WKRG-TV and WPMI-TV in Mobile both have digital sub-channels dedicated to weather and the weather programming from WPMI-TV is available to Comcast cable TV customers in Mobile. 2, 4, and 5 in St. Louis are all bad. Also, this time of the year, they tend to show programs in a box to show constantly repeating school closings at the bottom of the screen, which is about as annoying as trying to watch a program on the TV Guide network with the guide rolling at the bottom. With HDTV, why not guide people to a sub channel for weather info instead of interrupting programs. Another reason I watch less and less network TV, and the network shows I do watch, I tend to watch on Hulu or the network's website... Those stations did an outstanding job during the recent tornado outbreaks. Their coverage of bad weather is the only reason to ever watch them. Not everyone has HDTV. Keep the weather on the main channel and send the drivel to the subs. A few years ago, we had a severe weather outbreak during March madness! Channel 5 here in Nashville carried on as normal, but ran crawls on the screen directing viewers over to channel5+, which at that time was only available on cable. I didn't have cable, so instead, I watched coverage on competing stations. But because of that situation, I emailed channel 5 and asked them to make "the plus," as it is known, available as a subchannel. I'm pleased to say that it has been available as a subchannel now for the past year or so. Other TV stations in town have radio partners, and severe weather coverage is simulcast over those partner stations, which I suppose is a godsend for anyone who is not near a TV, or has lost their electricity. So the partner stations' programming is also interrupted, with the occasional disclaimer that "we are also on radio, too, right now." When it is a severe weather (especially tornadoes) even if it is on the fringe of the DMA it should be shown on TV. There has been a number of times in recent memory where TV stations have been very laissez faire about this and people have wind up getting hurt or killed because of this. It's better to be safe than sorry because there are still a number of markets where are little to no way of alert them of impending severe weather other than TV. Hell, I would rather miss my favorite show and can watch it online later on than wind up f*cked up by the weather because somebody wants to a show that will likely be played a thousand times in the future on various channels.

More stations should broadcast weather reports during commercial breaks only and display only small text of counties under storm watches or warnings at the bottom of the screen rather than maps highlighting the counties. Doing too much could make viewers and listeners lose interest, which could lead to danger in the distant future for some folks. Interrupting commercial breaks may mean lost advertising revenue, but it shouldn't matter if the stations are willing to have long weather reports after interrupting other programs, including the flow of newscasts. WSMV channel 4 here in Nashville once did that during a tornado outbreak several years ago. I had recently moved, so I had taped the program that I had intended to watch that evening. When I watched it later, the program itself was intact, but the commercials were interrupted. I remember when it was the other way around -- when the local stations flashed a ticker on the screen, but when it came time to a commercial, they turn the ticker off, and turn it back on after the break. Up here in Connecticut all the major channels go into the"retardovision mode'all the timethe shrinked screen ,the crawl on the bottom with the cancelations.thats what I call it.If the public is so stupid to look out the widow or go out in the storm and get killed in it.I always tune into the New York stations to record anything important.I see use for one of those subchannels by running a clean broadcast of the programming without the graphics and the other crap that follows.Connecticut stations better get a award for serving the public in which they are doing an awesome job doing so. That's what they still do here. They always turn off the ticker during commercials. I have to say if I was paying for the airtime I dont want the viewers to get distracted with the crawl and not paying attention to my spot. I would say WHDH is the worst in the Boston market, however I agree with a poster who said that WBZ used to be bad. It's 2011, most people have easy internet access, I wish more stations would just put scrolling text at the bottom of the screen that says "weather alert - go to our website or check our news app for more info". The stations that haven't hopped on the app/website bandwagon and aren't significantly using either are quickly loosing relevence in an app and internet world. It's 2011, most people have easy internet access, I wish more stations would just put scrolling text at the bottom of the screen that says "weather alert - go to our website or check our news app for more info". What this brings us back to is the argument that surfaces with some regularity. In the year 2011 do broadcast stations have any remaining obligations to operate "in the public interest and necessity." What is the obligation of the stations to meet the needs of those few people who DO NOT have easy Internet access? What is the obligation of the stations to meet the needs of the much larger mass of people who do not have a cell phone capable of dealing with the stations news app? Have we become a nation that has decided to implement what is sometimes called Darwin's Law... survival of the fittest? If they don't have Internet or if they don't have an iPhone with apps, they deserve to die when the weather hits? And what do you want to do about the remaining people who are still holding out against television? As Dave Garroway said one morning when the weather teletype went out, "If you want to know what the weather is, look out the window."

If people want to resist technology, it's their business. That doesn't give them the right to any special consideration at other people's expense. It's sort of like the Amish in Lancaster County. They won't buy health insurance claiming they believe neighbors should help each other. But when there's some medical emergency, they go to hospital, can't pay and everybody else has to swallow the loss in treating them. And once the "pilgrims" (aka Puritans) got to Massachusetts, they started killing Indians and driving off any later settlers who did not buy into their Calvinist views. For the next 200 years or so, they passed restrictive laws to impose their practices on everybody else. They were far more repressive than the Church of England ever was, which typical of religious zealots. On the other hand, they could have stayed in Britain for the English civil war until Cromwell and the Puritans took over. The Amish are free to think what they like. The issue is hypocrisy. If they have a problem with health insurance, fine. Just don't go running to the hospital and stiff the system. These people also operate notorious puppy mills. Poor people always seem to manage to have money for TV (booze, drugs, numbers tickets ...) Most people who don't have television are elite anti-TV snobs who like to brag about how they "never" watch television. So if you are so concerned about Internet hold-outs and mobile phone hold-outs, what are you going to do for TV hold-outs? Most of these weather interruptions are arrogant TV types, who assume everybody else is stupid and needs guidance from television, telling everybody, "Don't be stupid." People can tell when bad weather is imminent. Anybody with half a brain should know to seek shelter or evacuate. Some don't. And guess what, they don't pay attention when TV tells them to seek shelter or evacuate. As you point out, your wife's family lived in tornado country and learned to recognize the signs and take action - without the boob tube and fancy graphics. I'm not sure about a 'biggest' offender for interruptions, but the station in DFW that seems to take it in the shorts more (probably because they air comments/complaints in a segment during their 9pm news) is KDFW/4. OMG, the mere mention of a possible interruption of Judge Judy for a car chase, severe weather, whatever, brings out the ugly...the fan doesn't seem big enough for all that hits it with Ch.4 sometimes. Thankfully, the station doesn't apologize about it, especially about the weather. There have been several bad weather events around the DFW area over the years, and they all deserved coverage. Even downtown Fort Worth got hit by a tornado back in 2000. From what I've seen in recent years, it doesn't seem like the major locals are that intrusive. Sometimes I'll see a station interrupt a show, other times I see a station wait till a commercial break. For a few years, there would be a corner map with radar (or color-coded watch/warning sections) over the counties in the market on some of the stations, and for some of that time, 1 or 2 of the others would just use top-of-screen text with type of watch/warning and a crawl of the counties involved. Fortunately, we don't have too many "oh let's see how many times I can get myself on TV" type of weather people here. In the Atlanta market, the machine operated by COX... WSB-TV can pull out the stops when bad weather hits. They have a sizeable staff of meteorologists and I lose track of time, but about three years ago they had just acquired some new software, and their newest staff member apparently was a walking, talking computer program guru. When the tornado did hit downtown Atlanta, it was wall-to-wall weather. We're not talking interruptions, we're not talking just crawls on the screen, etc. When they have decided the conditions are volatile, they toss the schedule totally. Obviously they come in for some second guessing and criticism now and then when they think the conditions are really ripe..... but no fruit falls of the tree. The networks received similar complaints from viewers after interrupting their "soaps" to cover the

Challenger tragedy. And the network newsies arrogantly dismissed those complaints - and similar complaints whenever they occur. Part of the arrogance is the newsies take it upon themselves to decide for us what we should be interested in. And part of it is they get their jollies interrupting programs and going to "wall to wall team coverage." Live extended coverage are what news channels are for. Do a quick bulletin and refer viewers who are interested to a news channel. Then go back to the soap. Also keep in mind that an increasing percentage of viewers are not watching live but use Tivos or another DVR, so live coverage is pointless. Time to reign in the news divisions. If some decide to throw a Fred Friendly hissy-fit, good riddance. Several years ago, WXII 12 in Winston-Salem ran a continuous tornado radar map for an hour, preempting the Kentucky Derby. But no need to worry, they replayed it at the 11:00 news! Cheesy And I remember Channel 12 getting a lot of grief about it, since the tornado had passed through about three hours before NBC's coverage of the Derby began. But WFMY and WGHP were staying with the tornado story, so WXII must have figured it had to, too. I remember that all Channel 12 carried was the race itself, and that was on tape about 7:45 PM. That's what I'm talking about. Broadcasting is a competition-focused business. Not viewer focused. Not even client focused in news and programming areas. Now, we are coming up on the State of the Union speech. The schedule says all four major commercial networks will cover it. Why? All they are doing is driving viewers to cable. There is no difference between what's shown on one network or another - they all take the same pool feed. Most of the audience could care less but that doesn't matter to news geeks. As for DFW, it's a very volatile market weatherwise. I remember the first winter I lived there (1977) it snowed every Saturday for weeks, and it got to the point where you could track the storms coming across the Rockies. Big snow and ice storms can still pop up, and tornadoes aren't unheard-of either. I can't get too angry with Channels 4, 5, 8, and 11 if they want to break into regular programming with weather updates (BTW, I lived there in the Troy Dungan era and wouldn't have watched anybody else). More stations should broadcast weather reports during commercial breaks only and display only small text of counties under storm watches or warnings at the bottom of the screen rather than maps highlighting the counties. Doing too much could make viewers and listeners lose interest, which could lead to danger in the distant future for some folks. Interrupting commercial breaks may mean lost advertising revenue, but it shouldn't matter if the stations are willing to have long weather reports after interrupting other programs, including the flow of newscasts. I've seen stations do this. They should use the advertising budget that is normally used for those commercials where they say, "Coming up at 11, Obama speaks to Congress." One station where I live rarely interupts, using the logic that if people really need to know, they'll do it (though one time they went wall-to-wall and it didin't turn out to be that bad). But these other stations are doing something dangerous because people won't know when it's really bad if they go wall-to-wall for the most minor thing. I have no patience with these stations that show off their fancy equipment. The one station I watch for weather usually tells us the low and the high for the day, something most stations don't bother with but it's the only way I'll find out that day instead of waiting

for the next day's newspaper. Okay, I DO have a computer now, but I never look at such information there. That station has no fancy radar, though they do have a radar. And they also don't interrupt much. That's what they still do here. They always turn off the ticker during commercials. On the other hand, one station did that and hadn't gotten all the way through the message, but then they never turned it back on. Ironically, that station was WCNC Charlotte, NC, one of the worst offenders when it comes to interrupting programming for a "possible" tornado and staying with it, showing off their fancy equipment and never showing anything new or worthwhile. And I have yet to find the "Jeopardy" episode I missed that one time when the other "Jeopardy" station also went wall-to-wall (I can only hope its one of the select episodes that gets shown on Saturday night and that one of these stations actually shows it). At least if it's NBC programming it'll be online. Though my Internet at home isn't fast enough for video (it is fast enough for this site, amazingly) and I never turned on the sound for various reasons. And a lot of libraries want you to bring your own earphones or buy them; I only go to three libraries that provide them. I noticed sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area there were cases when KTVU and KGO TV did scrolls in a headline ticker during Network Programming when they say the USGS recorded a 2.9 quake to 3.2 quake on Faults in the Bay Area. Nobody in the bay area pays attention to a 2.9 quake. We only care about quakes if its 5.5 to 7.9 this is when we panic here in Norcal. Cash Cab on local stations? I just saw that Cash Cab is now airing weekdays at 4PM and 430PM on MY TV 9 in New Haven, Connecticut. Are these reruns from The Discovery Channel or new episodes? Law & Order SVU, which was airing at 4PM for over a year now has moved to 1PM replacing America's Court, which gets bounced to 4AM, replacing infomercials if I'm not mistaken. Like many shows in syndication, it is indeed older reruns with Cash Cab. As for WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59, did their sister station, WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8, make any changes? I watched this show for a short time about 1 1/2 years ago during its original Discovery Channel run, but not since then (in part because I no longer receive the station with my limited basic cable). I watched it a lot when it first came on, but after you've seen about 25 shows, you've basically seen it all. Now, maybe once or twice a month. Well, it's gotta be better than watching that other cab show where people hop into a cab and confess their whole life's story (or something like that...) I loved the simpson's spoof on that one! lol Cash Cab started yesterday afternoon on KGCW. When is the earliest this show began it's syndicated run? 'm guessing this past Monday, as that's when it started to air on WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 of New Haven, CT. FWIW, the Wikipedia page about the show says you'd be correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_Cab_(US_game_show) "In the United States, Cash Cab episodes typically air on the Discovery Channel at 10:00am and 5:00pm to 7:00pm Eastern time on weekdays.[6] Beginning on January 10, 2011, the show began airing reruns in syndication."

If I can find anything official about it, I'll post it here... EDIT TO ADD: Indeed, there's a few places that had posts on it, but this is from Multichannel News which is probably most reliable of all I found so far. Notice it was originally scheduled to start in syndication in Fall 2010 - this article is from WAY back in 2009. http://www.multichannel.com/article/366452-_Cash_Cab_Looks_For_Syndication_Fare.php Oh, and here in my area it's listed on their website to air on WKRC's CinCW subchannel 11, 11:30, 12 and 12:30 on Sunday nights/early Mondays. That would displace syndicated "American Dad" reruns. However, it doesn't show up until the 23rd-24th of January. I'll back this up with the appropriate links below. http://www.local12.com/content/tv_listings/default.aspx (WKRC-TV 12 TV listings) http://cashcab.mgm.com/ (The official Cash Cab syndication page with station listings) According to the digital TV Guide on the set-top box, KOMO 4 in Seattle will start Cash Cab reruns on Saturday afternoons and nights, at 4/4:30PM and 11:35/12:05 at night. -crainbebo It recently started showing up on WGCB in Red Lion, Pa. I've never watched it. KCAL 9 LA airs it on 11:30 PM and 12:00 AM weekdays, replacing George Lopez (originally at 11:30) and Punk'd (originally at 12AM). WNBC/4 in New York is airing "Cash Cab." However, it looks like they're parking it on Sunday nights/early Monday mornings, airing the entire strip in a 2 1/2-hour block. wlvi here in boston at 8am Evening Newses - Mountain Zone Tonight (Monday 01/10), NBC did a live Nightly News 'cast for the Mountain Time Zone at 5:30 PM MT. Brian Williams--in Tucson--announced it at the top of the show, while also giving a special greeting to the NBC affiliates in Arizona. Phoenix and Tucson affils aired the live 'cast, I wonder if Yuma got the memo about it? Wink The other two nets also anchored live from Tucson at 6:30 PM ET, but AFAIK, did no special feed for MT tonight. The ABC 'cast I saw at 5:30 MT was an hour old as it had some "Live ET" fonts scattered about, and outside live shots had more light evident than on NBC. Delayed 'cast also on CBS (airs in Phoenix at 6 PM MT), with a "Live EST" font over Katie's opening greeting. I recall that NBC is the only broadcast network that regularly has a MT feed (although I know from my horrific years in Phoenix that KPNX used the East Coast feeds to regularly insert local ads - and start primetime @659PM, like KPHO does). While it was a nice touch, it's not like any real developments happened in that 1-2 hours between the 630PM ET broadcast and the airtimes in AZ, nearly 60 hours after the attack. BTW, NBC Nightly News also did a live 'cast (with Brian Williams in Tucson) for the Mountain Time Zone at 5:30 PM MT on Tuesday and Wednesday as well.

Infomercials in prime time KSHB has been airing Time-Life infomercials in the 6:30PM Saturday Slot. Some stations pre-empt network programming for infomercials disguised as an infotainment show like KSDK did with Community a few weeks ago. Except that 6:30 Central was a local slot, and many stations tend to show commercials on occasion Saturday evenings. KXAS-Ft. Worth did the same thing last night. On New Year's night with bowl games all around, you might as well give up and sell the half hour to Time-Life. I've seen this practice in the 7:00 hour on Saturday nights on both WICU and WJET in Erie, PA. Isn't 7:00 p.m. eastern NOT considered "prime time"? Are Friday and Saturday evenings really considered "prime time"? I didn't think they were. Although I hate infomercials, a regular 6:30 PM Saturday slot (which is still local time) for them isn't as bad as showing them in place of a network program, which some stations are doing and should be stopped by the FCC and the networks. At least it's in a regular local slot, and people who don't want to see it won't be tuning in expecting another show. 7pm to 8pm is early pre primetime access .the affiliates can place any programming in these timeslots.shows like ET,Extra,Access Hollywood,Inside Edition, and the Wheel and Jeopardy live at that timeslot.I have to agree 100 percent them not running Infomercials at that time slots.I happen to get one of those Time and Like Country Cd's on my DVR timerset run which supposed to be Entertainment Tonight at the time. KSEE 24 in Fresno once had some great shows on the weekends (CA Lottery's Big Spin, Inside Edition weekend, Sports Central, West Wing and Big Spin's Replacement show, Make Me a Millionaire), but since these shows are gone, there stuff nowadays are all infomercials 6:30 and 7:30 PM saturdays, 12:30-2 PM weekdays and 11:30 PM Sunday Nights. That really needs to be filled in for really good shows, not infomercials. I wouldn't object to watching that classic country informercial if I just had some way to watch "Jeopardy". I watch every Satyurday night and it's rare that I can remember watching the first time,. There are three episodes from the past year that were pre-empted for weather and if those happen to come on I want to see them! Two stations in my area seem to show the same ones, when they show them, on the same Saturday night. I would like to think the stations that pre-empted an episode could get THAT one. if you really start seeing infomercials in Prime Time (8 to 11PM Eastern) I would suspect that station will be having their Going Out of Business Sale shortly afterwards. I wouldn't say that -- there are a few healthy network affiliates that have been known to bump some network programming in the past. The aforementioned KSDK, which no doubt is miles better than KDNL, bumped an episode of "Community" for an infomercial, I think, for a local hospital. WBZ in Boston has lately been showing Time-Life infomercials on Saturday night in place of Wheel and Jeopardy! I've actually been thinking the same thing, I can't believe it looks like a lot of stations are doing this.

Money Talks. At some point, everyone will finally realize that broadcasters do not exist for their customers. They exist to make money for their investors, like any other commercial enterprise. Clearly, an infomercial will bring in more revenue than whatever local ads can be sold during that time. Of course, many stations are likely to do this on Saturday, as it is the least-viewed night on television (unless college football is scheduled). If they do this any other night, either the station's hard up on funds, they have a blank space to fill on the schedules (especially at the start of the season), or an advertiser is paying a station major bucks to bump a show for a night. (No doubt bumping a network show like "Community" doesn't come cheap.) I can see all the emails and phone calls that the stations receive about pre empting a hot primetime shows for a infomercial on facial hair.The classic country infomercial was great.I rather sit for a full hour then watching a stupid reality show. Money Talks. At some point, everyone will finally realize that broadcasters do not exist for their customers. They exist to make money for their investors, like any other commercial enterprise. Clearly, an infomercial will bring in more revenue than whatever local ads can be sold during that time. If that logic were true then the only thing airing would be infomercials. Clearly the industry would die quickly if that were the case (along with equipment manufacturers and a boatload of entertainment providers). In this tough economy, it has become increasingly true, especially if you are in a smaller market. Obviously, local 30-second TV ad costs vary by location/time, but if a station cannot sell 10 ads in a half-hour and Wen Haircare Products (or any Gunthy-Renker product) will fork over more money, it's a no-brainer. I am currently exiled to a media market in the 150-200 range and now that the political campaign is over, there are barely any commercial placements. Lots and lots and lots of station promos and more and more 30-minute commercials. Also, there's almost always at least one station in each media market that is nearly exclusively brokered/infomercials. Here in New York, WABC-TV ran a Time-Life infomercial in the 7:00 PM half-hour this past Saturday night (Jan. 1), pre-empting a Jeopardy! rerun. I'm not sure if the rerun of Wheel of Fortune that usually followed at 7:30 was also dumped in a similar manner, but I would not have been surprised. It is notable only because this station airs the least amount of infomercials (or any paid programming, for that matter) of any station in the market. Infomercials on WABC-TV are virtually non-existent. But, given that it was a Saturday night at the tail end of the holiday season I guess I understand the logic. I also agree with a few other posters who said they would rather watch the entertaining Time-Life music collection infomercials than, say, Walk-Fit, No-No (the hair remover thingy), any skin-care product or anything that has to do with Kevin Trudeau or colon-cleansing. But I'll take a months-old Jeopardy rerun any day. 7pm to 8pm is early pre primetime access .the affiliates can place any programming in these timeslots.shows like ET,Extra,Access Hollywood,Inside Edition, and the Wheel and Jeopardy live at that timeslot.I have to agree 100 percent them not running Infomercials at that time slots.I happen to get one of those Time and Like Country Cd's on my DVR timerset run which supposed to be Entertainment Tonight at the time. Again, I hope that that is eastern time. I live on central time, and do not want to see that type of programming from 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. central time.

I wouldn't object to watching that classic country informercial if I just had some way to watch "Jeopardy". I watch every Satyurday night and it's rare that I can remember watching the first time,. There are three episodes from the past year that were pre-empted for weather and if those happen to come on I want to see them! Two stations in my area seem to show the same ones, when they show them, on the same Saturday night. I would like to think the stations that pre-empted an episode could get THAT one. Somehow, I don't think a TV station will set aside a particular episode of any given show (of that type, anyway) to air, instead of airing a rerun of the same program. They air whatever episode the syndicator feeds them over the satellite feed for airing that week. Networks will occasionally set aside a pre-empted program for air at a later date if the earlier airing was missed for some reason beyond their control, like a breaking news event. I get WABC on DirecTV and it's not uncommon for them to pre-empt "Jeopardy!" on Saturdays for an infomercial or special (usually having something to do with the weather), and during college football season they do "Eyewitness News" at 7 or as soon as the game ends, if before 7:30. "Wheel Of Fortune," AFAIK, never gets pre-empted; on sister station WTVD the same thing goes. Isn't Saturday 7-8 the time WRAL usually does their "Focal Point Investigations" every quarter or so? Those Billy Graham and St. Jude specials lots of stations air in place of network shows a couple times a year are paid programming, too ... Yeah and those ought to be airing 7PM-8PM, which is time for local programming rather then the times for network programming. Don't forget the phrase "paid." That money goes to the television station. They make the decisions on that. Cheesy Are Billy Graham specials still coming on? I haven't seen any in several years. I know that he is in declining health, and that his wife died a few years back, and that his son is in charge of the ministry now. If any specials are still being broadcast, I would assume that they were taped several years ago. Here's one they had scheduled for Christmastime. I don't know how many places it aired. http://www.billygraham.org/mediarelations_pressrelease_detail.asp?id=6360 Here in New York, WABC-TV ran a Time-Life infomercial in the 7:00 PM half-hour this past Saturday night (Jan. 1), pre-empting a Jeopardy! rerun. I'm not sure if the rerun of Wheel of Fortune that usually followed at 7:30 was also dumped in a similar manner, but I would not have been surprised... That same hour on that same night, WCAU, the NBC O&O in Philadelphia, had a full hour of infomercials listed. Then again, I think they used to air an hour of infomercials during daytime, so that doesn't surprise me... I suppose you're all waiting for me to bring up back when Mel Karmazin was working for CBS, that it was his idea to pre-empt first-run shows like "Entertainment Tonight" on WCBS in favor of TimeLife fare. Cable/satellite Vs. local stations rant

Here in upstate NY, as well as other parts of the country there is a major battle going on between local stations and Time Warner cable. WKTV in Utica, N. Y. has been pulled off Time Warner and replaced by another NBC affiliate out of Pennsylvania. Time Warner is threatening to take the Sinclair (FOX) stations off in Syracuse & Rochester as well as other Sinclair stations, elsewhere. As much as I don't like Sinclair (pure evil) I do side with the local channels, in general. Let me use WKTV as an example. WKTV is owned by a small group. WKTV is the only TV station in the market providing local news at the moment. WKTV is a fully staffed TV station with the expenses that go with it. News Dept. production, engineering, sales & office and program costs. Plus the expenses of just being a broadcast station- transmitter, links, HD upgrades, etc. They feel they should be paid by cable as any other channel on their service. Let's take ESPN for example. ESPN does run commercials and plenty of them. Being paid by the providers is just a bonus for them. Anyone with a computer, public domain or just crap programs and an uplink can basically do the same thing. And from what I see from most of the 600 plus channels I receive that is whats going on. But they get paid by Time Warner etc. Why shouldn't a far more popular local station be able to cash in? The answer, in my opinion, is a la carte. Let me and you pay for just the channels we want. Then I don't have to worry about channels getting paid. Only the ones I choose to subscribe to will be getting the extra $$ from the provider. A lot of the channels will have to improve or disappear. No more socialism in cable/satellite. Don't tell me how my costs will go up. I would probably subscribe to 10 - 15 channels anyway. I don't need 600 channels I never watch. A couple years ago in a Senate hearing John McCain made the statement that a la carte programing should be looked into and become an option. So maybe now is the time. A la carte will never happen. And if it does, each station will want to charge something silly like $9.99 a month. You have a few options aside from TW. DishNetwork. DirecTV. Rabbit Ears. Never say never. Remember "people will never pay to watch television." In many TV markets, upwards of eighty percent of the households watch on cable. Local stations need cable. They are playing poker and their hand is not that great. They are bluffing. Once in a while, they pull the plug. People get upset. People call the cable company and complain. The station gets a little more money than they would have. The station is the one pulling itself off cable - not the other way around. Any local station can demand cable systems carry them; they just don't get to ask for money if they do that. Keep that antenna on your roof. You never know when you might need it. It was nice when cable systems brought in signals from other markets. But local stations put an end to that and demanded exclusivity. The NAB has more pull with Congress than the cable lobby. Time Warner claims that about 40% of their costs are attributable to programming fees, which, if you take them at their word, means that 60% of their costs come from the infrastructure that needs to be there whether you watch one channel or 200: billing, marketing, call center, service and maintenance crews, equipment, local ad sales, franchise fees and so on. So even if a la carte becomes a reality, it's not going to knock your cable bill down from $80 to $5, even if all you watch are two or three channels. The best it might do would be to knock it down to a base fee of $30 or so to cover the cable company's transport costs of getting the channels to you, and if you don't think the industry would quickly find a way to charge enough per channel to bring your bill right up to where it is now...well, maybe you're watching a different cable industry. It's possible that you might be able to save some money by not taking the sports tier, and if enough viewers chose not to do so, it might even temper the insane TV rights fees pro sports now gets, but I'm not even sure I'm that optimistic.

And then there are the negatives: if the WKTVs of the world know that they can pretty much call their own shots when it comes to setting fees to be passed through to consumers in an a la carte world, what incentive do they have to keep those rates even as low as they are now? One more thing: cable companies derive an increasing amount of their revenue from selling local ads on basic cable. Reduce the universe of viewers seeing those local ads, as a la carte would inevitably do, and you reduce that revenue - which will inevitably mean pushing up that "delivery charge," or however it's structured, still higher. TANSTAAFL. You guys can badmouth ala carte all you want but I remember the good old days of C-band. There were hundreds of "programmers" virtually all of whom offered ala carte and the individual services were very reasonable (even allowing for inflation). I remember the good old days of C-band. There were hundreds of "programmers" virtually all of whom offered ala carte and the individual services were very reasonable (even allowing for inflation). I had a C-Band dish a couple of years, and it was great to subscribe only the channels you want and only pay peanuts for each one. (The premiums and The Disney Channel being the exceptions -- their costs, even for Disney, was as pricey as cable.) What sort of national penetration level did C-band have at its peak - 2%? 3%? Maybe 5%, tops? The companies offering C-band a la carte service had almost no overhead of their own to carry. The programming on the channels was being largely subsidized by the cable companies paying for it. The transponders were already being paid for by the programmers to get their signals to the cable companies. Whatever little bit of revenue came in from a la carte C-band DTH subscribers was pure gravy, since nearly all of them were in uncabled areas...but can you really make the case that most of those services would have been able to survive if they'd had to depend on C-band DTH a la carte revenue as anything more than a minor niche-market income stream in addition to their bread and butter? I largely disagree with your opinion. And penetration percentage is unimportant here. Once subscriptions came to C-band (and later to Ku-band) the programmers were the marketing arm and authorized services through a shared-cost system located in San Diego. As customers paid for their own decoders and dishes there was no end customer equipment cost to the services either (and it was that cost and subsequent complexity that limited C-band appeal). Subscribing to most services was as easy as logging on to the provider web site and selecting what services you wanted. A few minutes later it appeared on your screen. I really doubt there was ongoing significant cost to maintaining that system. But back to the direct topic.....the program originators got their revenue primarily from cable then although C-band at one time was a significant source. Virtually all programmers offered both ala carte and tiered subscriptions. In my area at least cable charges were significantly higher than Cband because (a) there was only one cable company per franchise and (b) there were hundreds of C-band providers to choose from. Therefore, the primary difference in pricing seems to be lack of competition and as that disappeared the ala carte option was dropped for profit motives. So long as we have no choice in cable service (most areas) and only two providers of sat services we will continue to pay through the nose for programming. Ala carte could become a reality again but probably only if government mandated.

I disagree that penetration is unimportant, and here's why: As you correctly note, "the program originators got their revenue primarily from cable." You were able to get C-band service for a song because the real bills for that service were being paid largely out of other pockets, primarily those of the cable industry. Because the transponder costs and programming costs were already paid for by cable, the incremental cost of providing that programming to a relatively small number of C-band subscribers was close to zero. Again I'll ask the question you didn't answer directly: can you make the case that most, or any, of those programming services would have been able to survive if they'd had to depend solely, or even largely, on C-band a la carte revenue instead of cable for the bulk of their operations? I think that's a difficult case to make, and I think it does matter greatly. Low-cost a la carte C-band (which I agree wholeheartedly was a good thing, BTW) worked because it never grew large enough to threaten the cable (and later DBS) revenue stream that actually paid for ("subsidized," even, if you want to go that route) the operation of the channels it carried. If a la carte C-band had become a large enough force to seriously diminish the income the programmers were getting from cable and later from Dish/Direct, I find it very hard to believe that the rates the programmers charged to C-band customers wouldn't have gone up, substantially and swiftly. So would the costs of providing subscriber service, which I suspect were higher than you estimate - that sort of thing doesn't scale up cheaply. Had C-band ever become more than a niche, do you think those "hundreds of providers" would have lasted forever? When there's real money to be made in a maturing industry, the free market tends to narrow the playing field and shake out the smaller players pretty quickly. And as you astutely note, even though C-band programming costs to the end user were low, the other costs were substantial. At a time when "expanded basic" cable, at least here in upstate New York, ran no more than $40 or so a month with no ongoing equipment costs (as long as you had a cable-ready set), the four-figure cost of a C-band installation, especially one with multiple receivers, wasn't an easy pill to swallow. I think we've gotten a bit off topic. The question you've asked assumes a comparison of ala carte revenue vs tiered revenue and not whether C-band could carry the total cost. From many conversations on the C-band boards it is my opinion that most subscribers opted for the ala carte subs even though tiered subs were available (and at a slight reduction in price over each service purchased individually). Another great advantage of C-band was that subs were available in 3-month internals vs today's model of 12 and 24 months. Some programmers would even let you subscribe per month. That was great if you wanted ESPN for example to cover the NCAA football season but didn't want it the remainder of the year. All together, these subscription options saved a ton of money. Cable (there was no DBS then) obviously paid the bulk of the revenue to the programmers and for much the same reason as DBS has replaced C-band - the initial outlay for equipment (about $2,000 give or take) and the complexity of operation and maintenance made it more attractive to the general population than C-band (never mind that C-band had much better audio and video). All together, these subscription options saved a ton of money. They did, yes. I'm not arguing that point. And for what it's worth, at least some of those options are available to cable subscribers. I add HBO to my subscription for a month or two every year when it's showing one of the series I enjoy. We spend a weekend or two watching all the episodes on demand, and then cancel when we're done. TWC seems to be OK with that. None of the services they sell to me are on a contract basis, and there's no charge to upgrade or downgrade.

Back to the point at hand, though: if I'm following this thread correctly, therealjm12 called for the mandated introduction of a la carte, several posters (myself included) pointed out some of the economic considerations that make it doubtful, and you offered this: Quote You guys can badmouth ala carte all you want but I remember the good old days of C-band. There were hundreds of "programmers" virtually all of whom offered ala carte and the individual services were very reasonable (even allowing for inflation). That's all well and good, and I agree with you that those were indeed good times (even though I never had a C-band dish myself, I enjoyed watching them at the homes of friends who did). But the good old days of C-band a la carte are only relevant to this discussion if there's a way to show that the economic model in use for C-band then can be made to work somehow with cable or DBS now. That goes beyond "a la carte vs. tiered" - it seems to me that we're both in general agreement that C-band programming costs in general were being heavily subsidized by cable/DBS revenue, which had the effect of making all C-band programming artificially low in price for the end user, regardless of whether they were paying by the channel or by the tier. That was great for the end user - I think we're in agreement on that point, too - but it still doesn't answer the question of how one would build a sustainable, large-scale business at the programming end off that model alone in today's economy. Without the answer to that question, any discussion of the C-band days, however pleasant the nostalgia may be, doesn't seem to me to move beyond nostalgia into practicality. ... it seems to me that we're both in general agreement that C-band programming costs in general were being heavily subsidized by cable/DBS revenue, which had the effect of making all C-band programming artificially low in price for the end user, regardless of whether they were paying by the channel or by the tier. If I gave that impression it was not intentional. I don't know if cable subsidized C-band. I acknowledged only that cable revenues were the majority. I subscribed to our local cable company immediately prior to setting up my first C-band dish (mid-80's) and as I recall the fees were very similar. After DBS came on-scene there was a substantial difference in DBS vs C-band - mainly because DBS did not offer ala carte (and "gave away" their receiving equipment). I understand the desire to end these programmming conflicts and the thought that a la carte is the answer. The problem is that a la carte would create a whole new set of problems. A la carte would have worked if cable had been set up that way to begin with. Trying to implement it now will not make cable customers happy. Here's why.. You'll have a fraction of the channels you have now and pay much higher cable bills. Smaller cable channels would go dark because they wouldn't have enough subscriber or advertising revenue to stay in business. The more popular cable channels would jack up their perhousehold rates to become premium channels. Instead of having ESPN as part of your cable package, you would have to pay say 10 bucks a month for it. Maybe 5 bucks each for USA or TBS, etc. They might still have ads on there too. If they lost half or 2/3rds of the households they now have, they would find a rate they could charge to keep enough households to maintain their current revenue. I suspect many people who kept cable or satellite would pay 2 or 3 times what they do now but get far fewer channels. The only winners out of this deal would be the broadcast stations as some consumers ditched cable and headed back to their free offerings.

I think, in a roundabout way, you have made a point I was trying to make. And that is that most cable subscribers will continue paying for tiered packages because (a) they are cheaper than subscribing individually (even if that were available) and (b) most people want as many channels as their budgets will allow - whether they are regular viewers of every service or not. Therefore, the number of people opting for ala carte is apt to be significantly below what we have been discussing here. Most TV watchers are not like me. I watch very little TV and would, for convenience, subscribe to a select group, perhaps 5 or so, cable channels if I could and if the cost were reasonable. I did not cut cable because I couldn't afford it. I did so because it was money wasted. No one else in my house watched cable and I only watched half a dozen services infrequently. Most cable subscribers who are having a budget crisis probably already cut down the size of their subscription or have cut cable entirely by now so the effect of introducing ala carte isn't likely to be staggering. Except.... Your example of ESPN. They are perhaps unique because of their very high programming costs specifically NCAA college football. Right now they get an enormous amount of subscription money (most probably from non-viewers) plus they sell a gigantic number of commercials - the best of both worlds. Their subscription revenue would most likely drop in an ala carte world but by how much is anyone's guess. They would have to then adjust their bid amount for those pricey sports broadcasts but they would still have a significant portion of the subscription revenue. If I were a Disney executive I would not want ala carte for ESPN - that stands to reason - but it may be a better alternative than having the government regulate pricing which is a very real threat if subscription costs continue to climb. Delayed new year's celebrations from the Eastern Time Zone Checking the schedule in Kansas City, KSHB is showing Carson Daley's celebration (delayed by an hour) from NY after some figure skating special while KMBC is showing Dick Clark (or whoever replaced him) live (last year they showed his special an hour delayed after their precious two syndicated sitcoms). Is is the networks or the local affiliates that choose to show the Times Square celebration at midnight their time, I doubt they think the viewers are that stupid. KCTV used to show the celebration from the Hyatt. I'm guessing it's just saves the $ to run celebrations from NYC even in the Pacific Time zone. Not that I'll be at home tonight. Does any station or channel outside the Eastern Time Zone run anything live at midnight their time anymore. WMC (NBC) in Memphis, and WBBJ (ABC) and WJKT (Fox) in Jackson, TN are showing the network specials live. This has definitely changed since a few years ago when almost all of them were delayed. WHBQ (Fox) in Memphis is delaying Fox's special by an hour to 11 PM. WREG (CBS) in Memphis is carrying repeats of Letterman and Ferguson at their normal times. I don't know what's happening with WPTY (ABC) in Memphis since they aren't on Charter cable in Jackson now. I don't know what's happening with WPTY (ABC) in Memphis since they aren't on Charter cable in Jackson now. According to Zap2It, WPTY has Dick Clark at 11:30PM, with a "To Be Announced" program at 10:30. The dumbest thing has got to be ABC's yearly show with Dick Clark and that lesser d-bag, Ryan Something-or-other. They cut to a shot from DisneyLand much of the time. Even if it's live it's only 9 pm there. So stupid! I've seen some stations here in TX do the delayed-by-an-hour/make-it-look-like-Times-Square-isthe-same-time-as-here crap.

Lately in Dallas, an actual local 'Big-D-NYE' has been set up annually in the Victory Plaza area outside the American Airlines Center. A Dallas Stars game is scheduled, is played somehow without any OT, then the 'NYE' organizers have a built-in outdoor audience (after the Stars game lets out) for this thing. The ABC station (WFAA/8), whose parent company is one of the cheerleaders for the event, carries it live every year. They break into Dick Clark's show, then about ~45 minutes later, go back to it to show what was missed and finish that up. Anyway, if they didn't have the Stars game fans, I'm not sure how many folks would show up downtown (most people have historically gone to restaurants/bars/hotels if they're out, or stayed home otherwise, and didn't really try to ever centralize an NYE thing around here before (except for 2000, when at 12 midnight, the red neon Pegasus (as in Mobil) was relit and started spinning again on top of the Magnolia building (now a hotel) after many months of renovation (lots of long-time Dallasites got a real kick out of it as the sign had long been a symbol downtown (the building was the tallest in Dallas for many years), the effect of which has spread over the years to city bike route signage and downtown wayfinding signage)...anyway, how I digress, I'm not sure if this local version will ever be the longrunning success of the NYC version, but it has a long LONG way to go. There's a lot of silly schtick (worse than the national versions of schtick, if you can imagine), and lame segments with even lamer music. The fireworks after midnight--definitely the lamest part!! If you're gonna have a fireworks show, it needs to be done *for real*, not this homemade-looking backyard half-a** stuff!! But, I guess, at least it's an attempt to have something besides Times Square (live, or sort-of live) to see on local TV. Now, if somebody will start showing Seattle every year nationally (instead of thinking the only thing out west is Vegas >ugh< ) --one of the more interesting non-NYC New Year's celebrations IMO. They really work those Space Needle fireworks at midnight! In Houston, Fox-Owned KRIV (FOX 26) and Post-Newsweek's KPRC (LOCAL 2) delays their respectful network's NYE specials for an hour to comply with the central time zone viewers. KTRK (ABC-13) plans to cut away Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve Special for it's coverage of The Glowarama festival, which takes place in front of The GRB. The Dick Clark Special will continue to be shown after the Glowarama... What exactly is GRB in this case? The GRB is The George R. Brown Convention Center in Downtown Houston. Now, if somebody will start showing Seattle every year nationally (instead of thinking the only thing out west is Vegas >ugh< ) --one of the more interesting non-NYC New Year's celebrations IMO. They really work those Space Needle fireworks at midnight! I seem to remember for a few years in the '90s, San Francisco's KRON had "New Year's Live!" from Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas and syndicated to the West Coast. KTVF here in Fairbanks carried that followed by "Happy New Year America" from CBS. And according to my listings, Dick Clark and Ryan Seacrest will be resuming their big show at 10:30 pm instead of 11:30 on a delay, meaning when midnight nears Alaska, we'll be watching NBC (with Carson Daly) or Fox (with Nancy O'Dell). But by then, we have already seen the Times Square ball drop live at 8:00 on CNN. In St. Louis, KSDK (NBC) showed the Times Square ball drop live at 11 pm CST. I happened to catch it since that was what was on while I was on the phone with my parents. For once, I was watching a local station for coverage of the storms and tornadoes earlier in the day. According to the listings, KDNL ( the worst ABC affiliate in the nation) delayed Dick Clark's show one hour. I have no idea what KTVI (FOX) did. KMIZ-TV in Columbia, MO delayed Clark to 11:30, but they were running the pre-recorded show about 35 seconds late...the ball dropped around 12:00:35 Central Time on KMIZ.

In St. Louis, KSDK (NBC) showed the Times Square ball drop live at 11 pm CST. I happened to catch it since that was what was on while I was on the phone with my parents. For once, I was watching a local station for coverage of the storms and tornadoes earlier in the day. According to the listings, KDNL ( the worst ABC affiliate in the nation) delayed Dick Clark's show one hour. I have no idea what KTVI (FOX) did. WDAF delayed Fox's special an hour, I'm guessing KTVI did the same Firepoint 525 may know this, but did WSMV in Nashville do the same idiotic stunt they've done in recent years and delay NBC's New Year's special with Carson Daly by an hour, only to fill the time with infomercials? I don't have a problem with the special being delayed by an hour, but if all they're going to fill the 10:30-11:30 time slot with is infomercials, then they might as well show the special live. Angry I seem to recall that we checked channel 4 looking for possibly Leno, and then not finding him there, we went on to other programming. It may have indeed been filler programming that we saw. I just remember that we went on to CNN with that obnoxious Kathy Griffin and the way outmatched and outwitted Anderson Cooper. We caught wind of our PBS station carrying the Beale Street coverage from Memphis, and being the west Tennessee native that I am, we decided to check it out, until returning to CNN right before midnight for Nashville coverage. Maybe I should have answered the question a little better yesterday, but I don't recall seeing Carson Daly on channel 4. That said, I find it insulting that any TV channel would see the need to delay New York City's Times Square coverage for the central time zone! Roll Eyes We on central time have become accustomed to seeing programming apparently geared for the eastern time zone, so why make a change like that for New Year's Eve? Just show it live, and then show us our own coverage at midnight our time! At least we didn't have the downer like we did last year, when one of the cable channels interviewed some girl on the street, and she whined about Michael Jackson dying that year! Roll Eyes I'm sure that some control room operator or technician somewhere was groaning over that one! Roll Eyes Happy New Year...on tape As a West Coast resident I am kind of miffed at two things: 1. Every network New Year's show is on tape. Who wants to ring in Happy New Year at 9pm or 10pm? 2. In the country's 12th (soon to be 11th) largest TV market, WHERE ARE THE LOCAL SHOWS? Nobody seems to want to preempt the network ever for something local here. In America's fifthlargest city! Or something in our time zone at least...anything in Denver? Salt Lake City, even? Why is this ritual repeated every single year? I would much rather see something live and LOCAL. There are quite a few big New Year's Eve parties here the Fiesta Bowl block party, one at Westgate, etc...and NOTHING? What are our TV stations, network-controlled robots? The lack of activity is particularly inexplicable on CBS-affiliated stations, which have to make do with a Letterman rerun. Hell, old Guy Lombardo kinescopes would be more interesting. Grin I'd love to see local CBS affiliates extend their late newscasts past midnight to provide live, local coverage of events in their towns, but that's probably beyond the reach of most local stations'

resources except in the biggest markets. How many people still watch New Years' Eve broadcasts, anyway? I can't believe my half-luck: I found actual live coverage. Catch? It was in Spanish on Univision. (Hey, not bad!) The only live coverage for the time zone in my area (Central Time) I've come across was the Moon Pie drop in Mobile, Alabama. Better than seeing a repeat of the ball dropping in Times Square, I guess. My NBC station showed Carson Daly live at 11pm CT. When I heard Sinatra's "New York, New York" a minute later, I decided it was a good time to turn the TV off. I'd love to see local CBS affiliates extend their late newscasts past midnight to provide live, local coverage of events in their towns, but that's probably beyond the reach of most local stations' resources except in the biggest markets. I think you answered your own question. Budget restraints are the reason you don't any sort of local event coverage. You would have to bring in a larger crew, and you would be paying them holiday rates. Too many $$$$$$$. CBS affiliate in Boston WBZ provides local coverage of First Night Boston. The only live coverage for the time zone in my area (Central Time) I've come across was the Moon Pie drop in Mobile, Alabama. Better than seeing a repeat of the ball dropping in Times Square, I guess. CNN provided live coverage of the guitar drop here in Nashville. Unfortunately, that meant sitting through Kathy Griffin and Anderson Cooper an hour earlier in NYC! Roll Eyes WFAA showed (as always) the local countdown at American Airlines Center. After that they went "Live" for the 2011 countdown in New York (which happened at 12:17 CST) Cheesy The Little Rock AR network stations showing NYE shows (KARK-NBC, KATV-ABC, KLRT-Fox) all "tape delayed" them one hour (so did the other NBC affiliate in range, KTVE El Dorado AR). I made do with CNN and endured the annoying, obnoxious Kathy Griffin for Live coverage of NY Times Square, Nashville (for Central Time zone) and highlights of the Key West "shoe drop". I avoided the cable propaganda news channels completely and only saw the major networks coverage. It was the local NBC affiliate (WAFF) that showed the Moon Pie drop, then switched over to a rerun of Leno. I should have mention that earlier. There used to be a local broadcast from in Memphis at first from Overton Square, and then in later years from Beale Street. WMC NBC 5 started it in the 80's and later it went to WPTY 24 until they picked up ABC in the mid-90's. In recent years WKNO PBS 10 has carried a special from Beale Street. One of the dumbest things they did this year though was that they showed the guitar drop a few minutes after it actually happened rather than to interrupt a live performance that went over. Huh Don't know if I mentioned it on this thread or another, but I watched that same footage over the PBS station here in Nashville. The setups (at least) for both guitar drops (here and there) looked fairly similar, probably because both were sponsored by Hard Rock Cafe. They showed the setup for the guitar drop at about 11:30, and I thought that they had momentarily switched back to Nashville because it looked so similar!

We didn't see the Memphis guitar drop because we had switched back to CNN in time to see our own (shaky!) guitar drop at midnight. WBTV in Charlotte, NC had local coverge. I don't know why I didn't think of that when ABC and NBC didn't have anything on worth seeing. But ABC or NBC almost always had something I wanted to watch, so I didn't go that route. Noon news on Saturday/Sunday? I see that WFLA-TV in Tampa has a one-hour local newscast at Noon on Saturday (and Sunday). How many other stations do this? Is this common? Gannett NBC affiliate WKYC/3 in Cleveland does a weekend noon cast. Gannett's NBC pair in Maine (WCSH Portland, WLBZ Bangor) carried Noon weekend news until earlier this year/late last year and still does weekend morning newscasts as well in competition with WMTW, Hearst's ABC station (which cancelled it's weekday noon newscast to focus on weekend morning news) No one else in the market does. In fact, all the other stations cancelled their weekend morning casts. All other stations only do the 6 and 11 on weekend evenings. Phladelphia's WPVI has a noon broadcast on Sundays. An hour most weeks, except when ABC has an NBA double header with a pre game at 12:30. WISH-TV/Indianapolis had a weekend noon newscast. That went away when CBS picked the NFL contract up in 1998. They're the only station I can remember having a Noon news on weekends. A couple of the Cox stations do, including WSB/Atlanta and WFTV/Orlando. You can add WSOC/Charlotte to the Cox list. Don't think I've ever seen that in Detroit. WXYZ for example is more likely to air Matlock at that hour on a Saturday or Sunday than anything else. San Diego's NBC 7/39 since they were taken over by NBC Universal has been emasculated. Weather is by-and-large outsourced from LA, newscasts shortened, weekend morning newscasts axed for infomercials. Meanwhile the indie stations here have picked up their audiences, their formerly popular talent are now at the other stations in town. Why they even have any locally based newscasts is beyond me when they could simply produce them up in LA and beam it down. The station's master control is in Burbank anyway. Noon news? We don't even have weekend news other than the 6 and 11pm newscasts (plus 10pm on Fox). WCIV did weekend morning news very briefly in the mid 1990s, but it failed, and nobody has tried it since. None of the stations even run live updates on weekends. CBS tapes their two updates an hour after the 11:00 news on Friday night; NBC tapes a brief news and weather break and airs it (redoing it for Sunday), and ABC doesn't do anything at all. The NBC sometimes shows the previous week's weather. With the growth of our market, weekend morning news could work, but nobody has tried. Noon

news probably wouldn't, as our CBS is usually running sports at that time in the fall, while ABC and NBC don't have the money. Columbia's WIS runs a Saturday morning news, and all of the Upstate stations run local morning news on weekends, but not at noon. WSOC has one on Saturday and Sunday. I watched it, and they have a meteorologist and everything. I see that WFLA-TV in Tampa has a one-hour local newscast at Noon on Saturday (and Sunday). Kind of funny that they still do, considering that they cancelled its midday weekday newscast a couple of years back. WSB Atlanta does 2 or 3 hours of it. Most content is repeated over and over every 30 minutes. That way, when the nursing home folks fall asleep and wake back up........they are right back where they left off. So nice. Channel 4 (NBC) here in Nashville used to have an 11:00 a.m. newscast on Saturdays and, if I recall, Sundays as well. Since we're on central time, that would have probably been our equivalent of a noon newscast. Channel 4 now comes back with an hour of news at 9:00 a.m., following the Saturday Today show. Channel 2 (ABC) used to have Saturday and Sunday morning news, but dropped them in favor of infomercials on Saturday, and TV preachers on Sunday mornings. I don't think that they have ever had a 6:00 p.m. newscast on Saturday, even when not preempted by college football or something, preferring to air that syndicated movie review program instead. KABC does it on Saturdays, barring any ESPN on ABC programming. Besides that, they do newscasts on Saturday and Sunday mornings, book-ending the weekend editions of Good Morning America, and This Week on Sundays. I think there's a period of about two hours (10 AM-noon) when WSB is airing ABC's kids' block before local news airs again at noon. WCPO Cincinnati and WLKY Louisville have noon newscasts on Saturday. My memory is a little hazy on this, since it was 1972; either WCVB in Boston or WPLG in Miami may have been doing one, but the first weekend noon newscasts that I distinctly remember were in Atlanta: WXIA (then WQXI) had what was then "Pro News" on Saturdays and Sundays at noon. The next year WSB decided to go head-to-head, and in the fall of '74 Ch. 11 folded, picking up ABC's "These Are The Days" on Saturdays (I don't remember what they aired on Sundays, but they had "Issues And Answers" later in the decade); in 1975 WAGA got into the act, and their weekend noon newscasts lasted well into the '90s, even after the switch from CBS to Fox. But only WSB continues the practice in Atlanta. I'm not sure if they're still doing it but WBTV Charlotte also had weekend noon newscasts in the '90s and maybe even into the early 2000s. WCPO Cincinnati and WLKY Louisville have noon newscasts on Saturday. This is kind of odd, since WCPO's Scripps sister station in Cleveland, WEWS/5, has never (IIRC) had a Saturday noon cast. In fact, they, like all other stations in the market except Gannett NBC

affiliate WKYC/3, don't have a weekend morning news presence. I don't think the Scripps station in Baltimore, WMAR, does a noon newscast on weekends either; I do believe WBAL does, at least on Saturdays. The 3 major Pittsburgh news stations do hours upon hours upon hours of local news on Saturday and Sunday mornings. So by noon you are just not in the mood for any more. WBTV is no longer doing it. They definitely haven't done it since they were a Jefferson Pilot station. Usually infomercials are shown if there is no sports programming. Theirs no Cox in Orlando only BHN and Comcast and AT@T U-Verse. Cox owns WFTV and WRDQ. You don't have them as a cable company because of this. I love the fact that WSB-TV/Channel 2 Action News here in Atlanta has 12pm newscats on weekends. They even do live traffic updates during the noon newscasts too. They also run news from 6am-9am Saturday mornings and 7:30am-11:00am on Sundays. What are Fox's strongest affiliates? Anyone know any markets where a Fox O&O beats one of the ''Big 3'' in news ratings? Better yet, are there any markets in which a Fox station - either O&O or affiliated - has the No. 1 newscast? My local WSVN Miami? They sure have *enough* news hours per day. If WSVN, maybe WTVT Tampa & WAGA Atlanta as well. But I really do not know the true numbers. cd KTVU- Oakland/San Francisco, Cox Owned FOX Affiliate. Strong news presence for years! I believe some have said KTVU held that position long before becoming a Fox affiliate. I remember them very strong going back to 1960. KTTV's 10 PM news broadcast actually beats ALL of the big three in their broadcasts. Same thing with their morning show, Good Day LA, which was syndicated as Good Day Live, due to that success I remember hearing that WGHP in the Greensboro market, formerly Fox O&O but now owned by Local TV, is the highest rated Fox station in the US. Not sure if that applies to newscasts or overall. - Trip The former FOX O&O now Raycom Media-owned Birmingham FOX affiliate, WBRC, which also has had one of the highest rated newscasts in the nation as well. Not sure of what order I'd put these in because of the huge differences in markets, but here are the top Fox affiliates:

KTVU WSVN WGHP WBRC KDFW KTTV Fox would dearly love to own KTVU, but that will never happen. Don't I recall at least one instance where Fox O&O WFLD's airing of "The Simpsons" actually beat one of the newscasts of WBBM-2 (CBS) in Chicago? Oops, sorry for the double-post--I meant to modify the above statement on whether Simpsons beating WBBM's news in the Chicago ratings either actually happened or was a TV urban legend. KSAZ actually is now in the local ratings lead here (after the switch, the lone untouched station, KPNX, took the ratings lead from KTVK, but then in the past few years it began sinking big along with the network). Many of the New World stations after they switched to Fox were considered underperformers for a few years, actually. The Simpsons is very popular in Chicago and not only did WBBM but has beaten several other newscasts, not routinely but it is a very strong show. It airs at 5pm, 6pm and 10:30pm. It used to air at 10pm and do quite well. It was pushed to 10:35pm when FOX expanded their news to 90 minutes (9pm - 10:35pm). When WFLD dropped the 10pm portion, it's likely they didn't push the Simpsons back to 10pm, to avoid it going directly against Family Guy, which airs on WGN at 10pm What about WNYW/Fox 5? I would think they beat out WPIX, or is it the other way around? How does Good Day NY fare against PIX Morning News? Or even WCBS, WNBC or WABC for that matter? I know they beat WPIX and I believe they beat WCBS. They were number one in 1999, but that was before WPIX's show debuted the next year. They've been a strong number one at 10, usually. How about WTTG in DC? Their Wikipedia article claimed that upon the debut of Fox, the ratings for the network in DC were significantly higher than the norm. Also, I know their 10 PM news (the only one in DC) gets higher ratings than the 11 PM newscasts on the big three and was a factor into giving the station a late afternoon news block and an 11 PM newscast. And they were a regional superstation for a while. One other one I'll throw in is KHON in Hawaii. Not sure on the numbers, Tampa's WTVT does quite well (and has for some time, first as a CBS affiliate, then as a Fox O&O). A Judge Judy lead in to the 5pm doesn't hurt. KTVU (San Francisco market) had the highest rated local news for many years, probably pre-dating their affiliation with Fox. In the 90s, both the CBS and NBC affiliates moved to early prime time, so they could compete directly for the 10:00 PM news ratings. KTVU stayed number one - the other two stations gave up after a few years, going back to regular prime-time. I'm surprised no one has mentioned our local WJW/8 in Cleveland. After a brief stumble after the CBS-Fox affiliate change, the station which became one of Fox's new O&Os in the mid-1990s became a powerhouse - again.

Like almost all of the mid-market Fox O&Os, it got sold off to Local TV. What helps WTTG alot with their news besides being a part of FOX is their choice of lead news anchor...Brian Bolter. While WJLA & WRC keeps on using the "old timers" like Jim Vance and Gordon Peterson ( both well in their 60's perhaps in their 70's ) and with WUSA's "issues". the combo of WTTG & Bolter works. Brian Bolter is a young guy who lives a young guy's lifestyle ( into extreme sports and does Facebook for example ) and since the DC the overall community tends to attract the young who live and shop there and of course that demo is more into watching Brian Bolter than say someone who is old enough to be their "great grandfather" IE: Jim Vance, Gordon Peterson, Doug Hill and so forth I agree that KTVU is better than the any Fox O&O because its less of Tea Party Propaganda and more of great objective journalism I hope the National Fox News is like that. Yes - KTVU became number one because of their reputation for no-nonsense, straight ahead, nonsensationalized news. In the 70s, when the other stations were dominated by the "happy-talk" format, KTVU was quite the opposite. One TV critic joked that neither of the KTVU anchors were even aware that there were other people people on the set. But it should also be noted that in the liberal Bay Area, running a Fox News style operation filled with right wing pundits would seriously alienate the local audience. Here's another two stations, KTXL Sacramento (Tribune) and KMPH (Fresno) I wonder how WTIC FOX 61 here in Connecticut rings up on the FOX ratings. KPTV FOX 12 Beaverton/Portland, OR KCPQ 13 FOX Seattle/Tacoma, WA KAYU FOX 28 Spokane, WA. KDFW-Dallas I would think does pretty well for themselves I think my local Fox, WTXF Fox 29, is one of its best stations. That's my local Fox station too. KSAZ actually is now in the local ratings lead here (after the switch, the lone untouched station, KPNX, took the ratings lead from KTVK, but then in the past few years it began sinking big along with the network). Many of the New World stations after they switched to Fox were considered underperformers for a few years, actually. From recent numbers I've seen, KPNX still can claim to be the number one rated news station in the Phoenix market. NBC's Today Show is still competitive with the two local morning shows, and might even win the numbers battle on some mornings. KPHO, by the strength of CBS prime time, battles it out with KPNX for the top late-evening newscast. I seem to be one of the only ones that prefers either 5 or 15 over 12 for local news, and 3 over 10 at 9pm. In Portland, when FOX flip from KPDX TV 49 to KPTV TV 12 back in 2002. Their ratings and their local newscast increase in ratings, it increase in ratings that KPTV proclaim to be the #1 Prime Time News in the country. I'm not sure if it still the #1 prime time newscast in the country today?

As I Recall, In the 90s Fox wasn't really Happy with KCPQ and was considering buying KIRO and this was when it was a UPN affilliate at the time but instead kept it on KCPQ Don't I recall at least one instance where Fox O&O WFLD's airing of "The Simpsons" actually beat one of the newscasts of WBBM-2 (CBS) in Chicago? While that's true, it's more of a reflection on how bad WBBM has been historically rather than how 'good' WFLD is. To the contrary, WFLD is actually FOX's weakest O&O affiliate in a top 10 market. Watching their newscasts, it's amazing how inferior they are to the likes of newscasts on other top FOX affiliates such as WNYW NY, KTTV LA, KDFW D/FW, WTXF Philly, WFXT Boston and KTVU Oakland/San Francisco. KTTV's 10 PM news broadcast actually beats ALL of the big three in their broadcasts. Same thing with their morning show, Good Day LA, which was syndicated as Good Day Live, due to that success Yeah how many stations do you think carry that show now? (Mind you, I'm NOT talking about the local one that each station replaced it with) Cheers Cheesy Here's another two stations, KTXL Sacramento (Tribune) and KMPH (Fresno) Neither of which rank very high. Try again. Cheers Cheesy KPTV FOX 12 Beaverton/Portland, OR KCPQ 13 FOX Seattle/Tacoma, WA KAYU FOX 28 Spokane, WA. Why are you hung up on stations that rank aren't even close to ranking very high? Cheers Cheesy I know that WXIN ran a series of promos where they claimed being "the most-watched primetime news in Indianapolis." Whether "primetime" included the 11pm 'casts on the Big 3 affiliates, I don't know for sure. I doubt it. The aforementioned WJW "Fox 8" competes at 10 with what's actually the market's established 10 PM newscast on WUAB/43...it started the 10 PM news race back in the 1980's as "The 10 O'Clock News", and current WKYC/3 primary anchor Romona Robinson got her start in the market there. Of course, after the 90s came along, Raycom paired WUAB with now-CBS affiliate WOIO/19, and the 10 PM show is just another edition of "19 Action News", and "Fox 8 News at 10" wipes the floor with it. KPTV is a very strong station -- and was successful long before Fox. I'm not sure that I'd put KCPQ in quite the same category, and I'm certain that I wouldn't put KAYU in the same league. My local WSVN Miami? They sure have *enough* news hours per day. UGH! I feel for you. When I lived in Miami I used to tune in to WFLX FOX 29 out of West Palm Beach (off of the antenna) just to avoid watching WSVN and its Channel 7 Newsplex... Tongue If WSVN, maybe WTVT Tampa...

WTVT is actually a good FOX station. I would never compare the dreck from WSVN to any FOX O&O or affiliate station. You might hate WSVN, but FOX used their news-oriented approach to force practically all their affiliates at a minimum to bring a news product into their line-up. WSVN was the benchmark for most news-oriented FOX O&Os & affiliates. For that matter, WJW was the market's dominant station as a CBS affiliate, for decades....but there was some question whether they'd remain so under Fox. Since switching from ABC to Fox a dozen or so years ago, WVUE in New Orleans has been very strong these last few years; prior to that, they were dead last behind WWL and WDSU in the ratings (especially during the mid to late '70s when ABC was the dominant network)! But they have something the other two stations are already lacking: LOCAL NEWS IN HD!!!!! That would be an excellent point, were it true. Trouble of it is that Ed Ansin (owner of WSVN and sister WHDH in Boston) started doing the tabloid-style newscasts on both channels before FOX News was even around and before WSVN affiliated with FOX. It has worked for them for a long time. One OT thing about Sunbeam Broadcasting (Ansin's company): because both channels are "7", they have long been able to share logos, graphics and even studio visuals. Watching one is almost like watching the other. Even more similar than the various ABC-7's and CBS-2's in top markets. Ansin is able to get some economies of scale that way, I suppose. It's an interesting thing to see. I'm not talking even about "tabloid-style" newscasts of FOX News (which I'm well aware of being something WSVN has been doing since the early 80s, "If it bleeds, it leads" as the unofficial slogan of the station). I'm saying that FOX used the fact that WSVN, which had a full-fledged, competitive news operation and became an affiliate of their network, as benchmark for their other affiliates to broadcast some type of newscast(s) and compete with better established news operations for the other "big 4" affiliates in their individual markets. It also lead to FOX wanting to affiliate (and later acquire) newsintensive, better established VHF stations like the former New World-owned stations when they won the NFL broadcasting rights. It's always been a puzzlement to me that the stations Fox acquired from New World (all formerly with one of the Big Three and many, like WAGA, WBRC, WJBK, WDAF, WJW, and KDFW) being old-line stations, did not demand a national newscast at 6:30 or 7 (ET). I remember some fears out of Atlanta that WAGA would lose some of its prestige without a network newscast, and I'm sure the same fears were voiced in other cities. But I wonder, even if Rupert Murdoch believed that the 6:30 network news was still a viable entity (which he doesn't), if he could entice Fox's stations to give up lucrative syndicated programs or local news. Here in the Triad, WGHP has been running a series of promos with various people who appear on Fox or syndicated shows carried by the station, touting FOX8 as the highest-rated Fox affiliate in the country. I don't know if that means news (I don't think so; it's

pretty close competition with WFMY and WXII) or its overall schedule's ratings. (One thing's for sure: ABC has no chance of ever getting WGHP to return to the fold; if it wants to get off UHF WXLV it had better pray that Comcast takes NBC all-cable and WXII is then in play, and I'm not putting any money on that either.) WSVN's circle 7 dates back to at least the mid-70s when they were WCKT...I have a July '76 TVG with an article on Bicentennial-themed station IDs that has a picture of their logo. Well, to my knowledge a number of those former New World stations enjoy the ability to cume major revenue for themselves @ 6:30P (Eastern) and 5:30P (Central) time slots with a locally produced national stories oriented newscast. It also allowed them to (for the time being) to go back to a more local brand. However, we know over time FOX forced all of them to go to a more network-oriented branding of "FOX #" or "[call letters], FOX #". The thing is locally produced programming allow them to major revenue that they don't have to share with their network. In the case of WGHP, I believe it is the highest rated across the board affiliate at the moment for FOX. Newscast ratings, I believe they are still fighting with longtime NBC affiliate WGAL in Harrisburg/Lancaster/York market for #1 nationwide across the board. I find it interesting that Local TV, didn't try to used the FOX O&O Tardis look on WGHP like they did KTVI & KDVR when they did the HD upgrade. Morning News at 4:30 a.m.? This morning WTIC-TV FOX61 (Hartford, CT) expanded their morning news program, which now begins at 4:30 a.m. No one else in the Hartford-New Haven market comes online before 5 a.m. The only exception to this is during the winter when they broadcast special coverage of big winter storms. What is the earliest the morning news comes on in your market? Nashville has had 4:30 AM News for two or three years now on the three big guns: 2 (WKRN) 4 (WSMV) and 5 (WTVF). The earliest morning newscasts for 3 Indiana markets. The 4:30 half hour is always pretty empty ... mostly an anchor reading stores, very few packages and no live shots. Practically never any traffic troubles to report. 4:30 - WTHR (NBC) / Indianapolis - 5am for everyone else 4:30 - WFIE (NBC) / Evansville - 5am for WEHT (ABC), WTVW (Fox) 5:30 - WTHI (CBS) and WTWO (NBC) / Terre Haute KABC in Los Angeles just began doing news at 4:30am, starting last month. WMAQ has a 4:30am newscast too. Before that, they had Barely Today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dLlX_ROS4 The DFW market still has network news at 4:30am, followed by all the locals at 5. I'm guessing some markets are seeing longer/earlier commutes than ever before, as the possible reason for earlier news. Both KSHB and KCTV in Kansas City tried 4:00 and 4:30 a.m. news respectively, but that experiment ended two or three years ago. Our reruns of Cops (along with World News Now on KMBC) were beating their newscasts.

I worked overnights for a few years, and I strongly disliked starting the newscasts at 4:00 a.m. just for a little snow. Lame. Lame. Lame. No one in Philadelphia has tried a 4:30 start save for when the snowflakes come....though if it's a minor enough storm, they'll just run the closings/delays on the screen over the network news and still start at 5. WPVI (ABC) though bumps the last segment of America This Morning from about 4:55-5. For a while they used that time as a headlines/weather/traffic summary, similar to the Good Morning America cut-ins, but later switched to the four personalities talking a bit with one another, making jokes, etc (assuming there's not something excpetional going on in the news), and then start up the actual news at 5. In San Francisco, KRON 4 (Ind) Has a daily morning news starting at 4AM-10AM. www.kron4.com WXIX 19 Cincinnati has 4:30am news. WCPO 9 Cincinnati comes on at 4:55am. Nashville has had 4:30 AM News for two or three years now on the three big guns: 2 (WKRN) 4 (WSMV) and 5 (WTVF). I thought it was on at 4 at least on WSMV & presumably WTVF too? WKRN (where I interned on the morning news, in the weather department, this past summer) and WSMV start at 4:00am, WTVF begins at 4:30am. In my neck of the woods, one station used to air a rebroadcast of last night's news between 5am and 6am, but that recently was replaced with a repeater of one of the local talk shows. In Seattle, KIRO 7 already had 4.30am news back in 1990: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuBit_QBkqQ No firm dates for when that ended, but Larry Rice himself commented that it lasted until around the time KIRO went "out of the box" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTWv1d80gc&feature=related), which would've been in 1993. Evansville, Indiana's WFIE-NBC has had a 4:30 newscasts since around 2001 or 2002. They are the only one to do so. They were on the live, going into their full weather report, when the earthquake shook up the mid-west back in April. In New York, you can add another station to the 4:30 AM news party, as WNBC now moves up the start of its local "Today in New York" program up a half-hour, joining crosstown WPIX in the early morning news race with a 4:30 AM start time. Full story: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/447357-WNBC_Adds_A_M_Half_Hour.php At 4:30 AM, WKRG-TV (CBS), WPMI-TV (NBC), and WEAR-TV (ABC) air their network morning news programs before their local news programs between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM. During Early Today, WPMI-TV airs a local weather segment before the local news program. WALA-TV has a local news program between 5:00 AM and 8:00 AM. If these stations were to focus more on local news and their presentations, the news programs would be shorter and viewers, including folks without jobs in the daytime, would actually watch the whole thing. I know the intention is to inform viewers as to get ready to leave home, but some may

prefer to wait for new information during the late afternoon and evening news programs. Based on my TV market, there is not enough news to have two or three-hour local morning programs. WKRN (where I interned on the morning news, in the weather department, this past summer) and WSMV start at 4:00am, WTVF begins at 4:30am. All correct, except it is technically 4:24 a.m. when Newschannel5 starts their morning newscast. If these stations were to focus more on local news and their presentations, the news programs would be shorter and viewers, including folks without jobs in the daytime, would actually watch the whole thing. I know the intention is to inform viewers as to get ready to leave home, but some may prefer to wait for new information during the late afternoon and evening news programs. Based on my TV market, there is not enough news to have two or three-hour local morning programs. This isn't a world where that many people wait any longer. Shorter and supposedly "better" sounds all well and good, but when your morning commute starts at, for example, 5:30, a 6 am show does you no good. Few people expect the audience to stick with the full local morning news program-they know they have turnover. That's the entire point. KABC in Los Angeles just began doing news at 4:30am, starting last month. KGO did 2 years ago In Phoenix, here's the lineup: 3-TV Good Morning Arizona airs from 4:30am to 10am (tle longest AM newscast in the market) CBS 5 Morning News airs from 4:30am to 7am ABC 15 News airs from 5am to 7am (tried 4:30am a few years ago) 12 News (NBC) airs from 5am to 7am Fox 10 News Arizona Morning airs from 5am to 10am. In Fresno: KSEE NBC 24 has "Early Today at 4AM, local news 4:30-7AM. KFSN ABC 30 has America This morning at 4:30 then local 5-7AM. KGPE CBS 47 has CBS morning news at 4:30 then local 5-7AM KMPH FOX 26 has Great Day(local news) 5-10AM. KTLA in Los Angeles also runs morning news from 4:30am to 10am. KPRC (NBC), KHOU (CBS) and KTRK (ABC) in Houston are all now on the air at 4:30 with local news. KRIV (Fox) has expanded the other direction, going from 5 to 10 a.m. I don't watch it, but according to my listings, WRCB Chattanooga runs morning news from 4:30 to 7:00 WXIN Indianapolis (Fox, Tribune) expanded late last year to a 4:30 to 10:00 am early newscast. They have a massive on-air staff to handle all those hours. Sounds like three main anchors, three field reporters, traffic and weather people. There's no 4:30 AM news in Boston or Providence: Providence WPRI (4 hours) - 5-7 AM, then 7-8 AM on WNAC, and 8-9 AM Rhode Show (live daily local talk show) on WNAC WLNE (3 hours) - 5-7 AM, 7-8 AM on NewsChannel 5 (local newscast loop cable channel) WJAR (2 hours) - 5-7 AM

Boston WFXT (4 hours) - 4:55-9 AM WBZ (2 hours) - 4:55-7 AM WCVB (2 hours) - 4:55-7 AM WHDH (2 hours) - 4:55-7 AM So all four major network stations in Boston all start their newscasts, not at 5... and not at 4:30... but as 4:55? As they would say up in Boston, that's "wicked stupid." It actually makes sense; the network morning newscasts are designed to have a break/outro at 4:54 to allow stations to start those few minutes earlier if they choose to, and have a non-essential fluff piece at the end that can easily be pasted over with the start of the local news. Same situation with WTMJ in Milwaukee. Milwaukee just had the gauntlet laid down a month ago with WITI/Fox starting at 4:30am (surely saddening those six fans of Judge Alex), and lately whether there's been one or eleven inches of snow on the ground overnight the other stations start at 4am sometimes under the banner of 'latebreaking snow coverage', although nothing really happens in the 1-3" situation beyond the usual 'reporter stands out in the parking lot, says it's snowing, back to the studio' style of coverage before the show resumes the usual format for the extra hour. These "EarlyTodayMorningNewsThisMorning" half-hour network 'casts-in terms of the original feed(s) to ET (I don't want to complicate it by discussing splits to the other zones)--do they start at 4 AM ET and are they fed again each half hour until 7 AM? Are they updated or even done again live when needed in the subsequent airings? We (meaning KFBB-Great Falls) begin airing "America This Morning" at 4:30am (6:30a ET) and run it continuously until 7, except from 6:00 to 6:30 when we air "AgDay." It is pretty much taped once and re-fed through the morning until all time zones begin GMA. However, when ABC was still sending an SD feed to the mountain zones (which they recently dropped) occasionally you could see slight differences between what we were running and what ABC was feeding (a story would have extra video or begin a few seconds later, etc. Interestingly, ABC does occasionally retape/refeed "World News Now" for the later zones. Shortly before Christmas, they ran a kicker story during the original feed (I believe it was the 1:30 half-hour) that failed to air correctly, so they cut back to the desk. During the subsequent refeed, it aired correctly. Here, all three local newscasts (NBC/ABC/CBS) start at 5am. The CBS affiliate runs an extra hour on the local Fox affiliate (WTAT), till 8am. They have thought of expanding, but there is just not enough audience in this town for a 4:30am news. The airport doesn't even open up until past 5, and traffic doesn't really begin until 6 or 6:15. It wasn't that long ago that the morning news didn't even start till 6, and it was a big deal to do it. Even as late as '95 or '96, one of the stations didn't begin until 6:30. The market mentioned above is Charleston, South Carolina. (The author forgot to say that.) Actually, the whole idea of a network wake-up show from 7am to 9am, and local news before then, is all a quirk of early television and The Today Show. Originally most TV stations signed on around mid-morning because they really didn't have programming for the early hours, except for the NBC affiliate. NBC (and was it Pat Weaver, Sigourney's father?) saw the potential for early morning TV with a two-hour Today Show. NBC could sell commercials during those two hours when CBS and

ABC (and Dumont) were dark. NBC affiliates signed on just before 7am and their first news of the day was those five minute reports at 7:25 and 8:25 in the body of the Today Show. A few affiliates might do a few minutes of news, along with Sermonette and Community Calendar, at sign-on. After all, most TV outlets had live booth announcers and he'd just rip and read some AP headlines as part of the sing-on programming. Nobody thought to do a real newscast before Today began. Who'd be watching TV before 7am? CBS started its network schedule with Captain Kangaroo, a children's show, at 8am. (Some affiliates ran Sunrise Semester, a series of college lectures, at 7:30am, but it was only a public service show and didn't contain commercials.) Gradually CBS tried to introduce an hour-long Today competitor at 7am but it took years to catch on. (And what an uproar was created when CBS moved Captain Kangaroo to Saturdays to make way for a 7-9am weekday morning newscast in the 80s.) ABC saw the revenue Today was bringing in and somewhere in the 70s introduced Good Morning America, also 7-9am. Till then ABC network didn't start broadcasting till around 11am, the last network to start programming. I'm not sure which TV station in which market eventually saw the potential to run a pre-Today (or pre-GMA or pre-CBS News) morning newscast. By the 80s, some stations were doing a half-hour at 6:30, some were doing an hour at 6am, often just using the newscaster who had been doing the 5 minute updates at 7:25 and 8:25am, and maybe adding a meteorologist. I think it took till the 90s before 5 to 7am newscasts became fairly common or the third-place news station in a given market started its early morning local news. Now it's standard in all by the very smallest markets to have the major affiliates do a 5 - 7am newscast, even affiliates who are far behind in news the rest of the day. Most Fox affiliates in the top 100 markets now also do a wake-up show, all local, from 5am to 9am. Gregg, that's a great summary of the history of early morning newscasts. Oddly, despite a lot of emphasis on softer news, Today was considered a "serious" program (think CBS Sunday Morning). When ABC entered the morning news fray (with the precursor to GMA), they deliberately went fluffy with a lively news set (with bright colors and a "happy talk" format!!) and shook up the whole morning news arena. In Seattle, KING-TV/5 started the first local early morning newscast at 6:30am with veteran newscaster Don Madsen. In fact, there's a YouTube video out there, where a young reporter named Aaron Brown files a report via telephone. Soon after, meteorologist Larry Schick was added to the newscast. This newscast was popular all around Western and Central Washington state as well as a significant number of viewers in British Columbia. At the time, Don Madsen came in at 11:30pm and worked all night preparing a 30-minute morning newscast (those were the days)!! A few years later, KOMO-TV/4 stated a one-hour morning newscast starting at 6am with a very young Lori Matsukawa (now 10/11pm anchor at KING) and a young Tony Ventrella with an Afro (who would go on to Sports Director positions at KING and KIRO). Shortly after that, KIRO started their early morning news with anchros Solon Grey and Jan Charlton with the late Pete Gross on morning sports (synergy with KIRO radio). So Far i've Found That Kiro 7 Has Morning New At 4:30 a.m. In Seattle Speaking of National morning show. If CBS was the second network to produce a morning news program. Why their morning show always tank in 3rd and last place in ratings? Far behind from GMA. Here's a quick summary. CBS was always handicapped by the need to have Captain Kangaroo (a very popular Children's program on for at least 30-60 minutes in the early morning hours). In

addition, through the 70's, CBS tried to program an early morning HARD news show. People generally didn't want to watch a hard newscast in the mornings. Meanwhile, in the mid-70's, ABC started the decidedly fluffy and popular GMA and, of course, NBC had the ever-popular Today show. Meanwhile, CBS had Captain Kangaroo Cheesy In the early 80's, CBS really tried to break into the morning news show area with the "CBS Morning News" with a modern, glitzy Star Wars-type theme and set. They also tried expanding "CBS Sunday Morning" to weekdays with "CBS Morning with Charles Kuralt and later adding a young Diane Sawyer to the mix". The high brow approach didn't work, They tried "CBS Morning News" again and actually overtook the Today show for second place for a short period of time. They later tried the "CBS Morning Show", a comedy show in the morning. Good grief, CBS has tried just about everything. Maybe they should have stuck with Captain Kangaroo!! Q13 In Seattle Has Their Local Weather News At 4:30 am And News From 4:55 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. And Then Theres Nothwest Cable News Owned By King 5 In Seattle Doesn't NWCN start at 4am? But I think that they only do an hour live and then repeat it endlessly. On the weekend mornings, it is always funny to see Meg Coyle on NWCN and KING 5 at the same time. Meg must have a twin sister! Cheesy DCRTV is reporting that WUSA/9 the CBS affiliate in DC is going to start their morning news at 430AM beginning March 8th. WYFF 4 (NBC) in Greenville, SC is adding a 4:30am newscast, the first in the area, starting Monday. WVIT the NBC O&O starts this Monday. It'll be called Hot Coffee. How many stations have a different name for their pre-5am newscast? Don't know if this have been mentioned, but WMC TV (NBC) in Memphis starts their morning news at four thirty. They have been running it for a while. WBBH in Fort Myers has a 15 minute 4:45 AM newscast, known as NBC 2 News Early TODAY. WTVT in Fort Myers also has a 4:30 AM newscast, but it doesn't have a different name, it's just a part of FOX 13's Good Day Tampa Bay. Seeing as WZVN is owned by the same company that owns WBBH, one would wonder if they're waiting for WINK to launch a 4:30 AM newscast, so WZVN can start a 4:15 AM newscast... Yes, in about a year from now, this entire thread will be irrelevant once stations start launching 4 AM newscasts... WBZ in Boston is starting at 4:30 AM beginning this Monday, May 11th. NECN (New England Cable News) also quietly began one a few weeks ago. KRIV (Fox) Houston now starts at 4am with a marathon 6-hour morning newscast (to be fair, the 9am hour is mostly showbiz news/housewife stuff). WBZ indicates that it will air CBS Morning News at 4:00 AM beginning next week. How long has CBS been feeding the newscast at 4?

The real reason stations are starting at 4:30 is that they can typically add such a show with little to no additonal cost. They can then ditch a syndicated rerun or network show that has few ad avails and some licensing cost. So the 4:30 show is a freebie with ad avails. In other words: pure profit. I was visiting Relatives In Las Vegas Last Month And Noticed that KLAS Starts at 4, KVBC At 4:30 and KVVU And KTNV At 5 And the Fox affiliate goes on all morning long -- at some point the show changes names and rotates a few anchors around -- and keeps going like the energizer bunny!! As of this month...Atlanta will have two 4:30 AM newscasts. Fox O&O WAGA started last month, and Gannett's NBC WXIA started this week with "Wake Up With Chelsey", hosted by the morning meterologist. (Early Today airs at 4 AM). I suspect WSB-TV will follow suit, and WGCL may extend "Better Mornings" as well. I've noticed that "Early Today" now airs at 4; my local NBC affiliate, WNCN, now starts its morning newscast at 4:30 (WRAL and WTVD are running CBS and ABC's, respectively). I also notice that WNBC and KNBC are also running "Early Today" at 4 and local news at 4:30. I somehow suspect this is now the rule rather than the exception on NBC affiliates. A few weeks ago, KDFW/4 (Fox) in Dallas took the plunge and was the first to do 4:30 news there. Now their Good Day lasts 4 1/2 hours. As of yet, the other 3 major news stations haven't tried to knock the 5am wall down to match Ch.4. I understand in large cities like San jose and Los Angeles where the need for a 4:30 am Newscast is justifyable. I think in the past 10 years we hear about people commuting daily from Landers(Mojave Desert) to LA and from Sacramento to San Jose. What do you think of about MidMarket Cities and Small market doing 4:30am newscasts? I think the demographics will show that the people who are watching these 4:30am newscasts are people who commute from far distances like a person who lives Sacramento to work in San Jose. Remember the 6:00am newscasts and 5:30 am newscasts were around when the commute from Vallejo to San Francisco was considered outrageous. Add another station adding a 4:30 AM newscast: Cincinnati's WKRC/12, which is also adding a daily 4:30 PM newscast: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/Station_to_Station/31212WKRC_Adds_News_WPIX_Subtracts.php Not sure if rivals WCPO and WLWT are already on their air with 4:30 AM newscasts of their own, but with this development, I bet all three will be entrenched with 4:30 AM news in about a year from now. No one in Philadelphia has tried a 4:30 start save for when the snowflakes come....though if it's a minor enough storm, they'll just run the closings/delays on the screen over the network news and still start at 5. WPVI (ABC) though bumps the last segment of America This Morning from about 4:55-5. For a while they used that time as a headlines/weather/traffic summary, similar to the Good Morning America cut-ins, but later switched to the four personalities talking a bit with one another, making jokes, etc (assuming there's not something excpetional going on in the news), and then start up the actual news at 5.

CBS 3 KYW-TV to start one soon according to one of the anchors on facebook. In Portland, only KATU has morning newscast that starts at 4:30am. KGW and KPTV used to have it, but due to budget cuts they cut out the 430am newscast. That's interesting because I thought the only reason stations were bumping up their morning news was to cut costs. Certainly there can't be enough viewers at that time of day to be worthwhile. Or maybe the Farm Report isn't considered news any longer. Huh Since the last time we checked on AZ: *KSAZ added 4:30am news to match KTVK's adding of a 9am hour. That's right, two 5.5-hour morning news shows. *KPNX just announced plans to match the 4:30am commitment. That leaves 4 out of 5 here with 4:30am news - and KNXV, the new black sheep, once had such a newscast but threw it out. Well, pity on KNXV for spurning a trend. I guess they'll bring a 4:30 AM newscast back once stations across the country start airing 4 AM newscasts... Add WBZ-TV Boston to the list. Not sure when it debuted, but I saw it when I was in New England in early June. As of this month...Atlanta will have two 4:30 AM newscasts. Fox O&O WAGA started last month, and Gannett's NBC WXIA started this week with "Wake Up With Chelsey", hosted by the morning meterologist. (Early Today airs at 4 AM). I suspect WSB-TV will follow suit, and WGCL may extend "Better Mornings" as well. Yes, Channel 2 Action News(WSB) and CBS Atlanta(WGCL) will start soon as well. CBS Atlanta will also add a 5pm newscast giving them 4pm-6:30pm of local news. Orlando early morning news times WESH - 4:30-7:00 (simulcast on WKCF from 6:00-7:00 and only on that channel from 7:00 to 9:00) WKMG - 5:00-7:00 WFTV - 4:55-7:00 (continued on WRDQ from 7:00-9:00) WOFL - 4:30-10:00 I knpw NBC has moved "Early Today" to 4 AM; are ABC and CBS doing the same thing, or have WSB and WGCL decided to start pre-empting "America This Morning" and the "CBS Morning News" respectively? Aside to James Westerfield: are you related to an actor by the same name who died in 1971? Same question to Neil Rattigan: there's an actor by that name as well. Any connection? I know NBC has moved "Early Today" to 4 AM; are ABC and CBS doing the same thing...? Are these early 'casts then repeated on the net each half hour through 6:30? If so, are they regularly (or ever) updated or re-done live due to "breaking news" Shocked? I won't even ask about their left coast feeds. You knew this was coming: WPIX in New York has announced the launch of a new 4 AM newscast this fall, joining the likes of stations in Las Vegas and Nashville of offering live, local newscasts in

that timeslot: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/455063-WPIX_To_Launch_4_A_M_News.php I may have mentioned this before, but don't read too much into the Vegas start times. Anyone who has visited this unique city knows that there are huge numbers of shift workers who might have occasion to watch a 4am news, either at the end of their day or at the beginning! Vegas has its own time schedule. A 4am news in LV does not surprise me in the least. WPIX is not the first to have 4 AM Start time. KRON 4 in San fran started to air their news time to 4 AM as early as January 2007, right after their acquisition of MNTV. Well, so far in Honolulu the only station so far to start their newscasts at 4AM is KGMB's "Hawaii News Now: Sunrise Edition." I wouldn't be surprised if KHON and KITV followed suit, but this is of course Hawaii. As for early morning newscast. I can understand if New York, Las Vegas, or Chicago can start their news at 3AM. Remember New York, Chicago, and Las Vegas are considered to be a 24/7 or 5 city. New York City slogan. City that never sleeps. In Chicago, people commute far away to work far away as Milwaukee, South Bend, and Rockford IL. In Las Vegas, people party until dawn. Also, casinos and nightclubs are up all day and night. As for L.A. I've only could think of two places that open very late. The Sunset Strip and Hollywood. In San Francisco, the city shuts down at 2AM. Have you ever try to go out to night clubs in San Francisco. They shut the bars/clubs at 2AM and the only place that opens later is the End Up in S.O.M.A. Add one more in New York: WABC-TV will start at 4:30 beginning on Sept. 7. http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/news/localbroadcast/e3iaea240932b26c233ab2e0c8f4abfd939 They'll still be a half-hour behind WPIX, which (as mentioned previously) will go to 4:00 on two weeks later. Trust me, the countdown is on until the major network O&O's in market no. 1 follow PIX's lead and start their morning newscasts at 4 AM. Actually in Indy, add WXIN (Fox) & WTTV/WTTK (CW) to the list for a 4:30am start time. WXIN also has the longest running morning news in Indiana. The morning newscast runs from 4:3010am. Two stations in Kansas City (not mine) just switched to 4:30 a.m. start times, and a third will follow. One announced the change, then two others followed claiming they had been studying it for months (not likely). This is the second attempt for two of them at a pre-5:00 newscast. Tuesday's ratings: KMBC local news 1.8/11 KCTV CBS Overnight 1.8/11 (will move local news at 4:30 soon) WDAF Cops 1.7/11 KSHB local news 0.4/3 I can't wait for winter, because Kansas City stations start news at 4:00 in the morning when snow is expected. How long before they stay on the air all night long for two inches of snow? KYW Philadelphia moves up to 4:30 on Labor Day. bpatrick, I am the same Neil Rattigan that appeared as a tv weatherman in "Walking to the

Waterline." I was on for just a few seconds. Typecasting has hurt my career ever since Smiley WCVB 5 Boston will start a 4:30 AM newscast in September. Add Washington, DC's ABC affiliate WJLA/7 to the list: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/456432WJLA_Moving_Morning_News_To_4_30_a_m_.php KYW-TV to start the 4:30 AM news on Labor Day. What's going to happen to the CBS Morning News? Will it air on WPSG? http://cbs3.com/press/Eyewitness.News.This.2.1881669.html The live feed of CBS Morning News has been at 4:30am Eastern for some years now, so CBS would have to move that up by 30 minutes. Not an issue in other time zones for a 4am airing, as there are multiple refeeds. CBS has had a 4AM (eastern) feed for a while now as well. Early this month, WAVE (NBC) in Louisville moved their early news start time ahead 30 minutes to 4:30 am, taking the "Early Today" feed at 4:00 am (EDT/EST). I expect at least two of their three news competitors to follow suit. The DFW market still has network news at 4:30am, followed by all the locals at 5. I'm guessing some markets are seeing longer/earlier commutes than ever before, as the possible reason for earlier news. No. Fox 4 in Dallas has been starting at 4:30 for a couple of months now. CBS 11 started at 4:30 about a month ago. WFAA starts at 4:30 starting Monday morning. NBC 5 is the only one not starting at 4:30.. yet. I can't imagine they'll stay out of that news hole for long. WPVI according to a promo I saw will start a 4:30 AM newscast on Labor Day also. A similar move in Tampa/St. Petersburg is coming soon. NBC affiliate WFLA-TV 8 recently announced that effective September 20 it would drop the syndicated First Business in favour of moving NBC News' Early Today to the 4:00 AM time slot and adding a half hour to NewsChannel 8 Today with anchorman Rod Carter and meterologist Leigh Spann. Traffic reporter Alicia Roberts, who came to WFLA nearly four years ago from Traffic.com's operation in the Philadelphia area, will be leaving the station September 30 when her one year deal ends. Roberts told the St. Petersburg Times that she was leaving to pursue new career opportunities as NewsChannel 8 is scaling down the traffic reporter's job to a part time position. WFLA-TV, owned by Media General, is hoping to hire a second anchor to join Carter and Spann. Fox-owned WTVT-TV 13 was the first station in the nation's 14th largest market to begin a 4:00 AM newscast last April. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/media/content/traffic-reporter-alicia-roberts-leave-wfla-ch-8station-begins-430-am-newscast In Louisville, news departments at WLKY (CBS) and WHAS (ABC) have indeed followed WAVE (NBC)'s lead and moved their local morning news start time to 4:30 am, leading them in with their networks' overnight news 4:00 am blocks. WDRB (FOX) is standing pat with their 5:00-9:00 am all-local news block. WAVE, WHAS, and WLKY all join their nets for Today, GMA and The Early Show respectively at 7:00 am (EST/EDT).

In conjunction with the news that WRGB's interim GM has been appointed GM full-time as well as station VP, the station announced that they will be adding a 4:30 AM newscast starting next week: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/460854-Nelson_Named_WRGB_GM.php In the Quad Cities, KWQC-TV briefly started Quad Cities Today at 4:30 A.M. in early 2008 before budget cuts forced the station to cut back on news and staff. Now they're the first station to air HD news with WQAD-TV expected to do the same soon. Speaking of which, in 1992, the ABC station began Good Morning, Quad Cities which initially started at 6 A.M. Then in April 2002, the local news program expanded to two hours. Now they just very recently started at 4:30 A.M. with QCT following suit just weeks (?) later. Not only do the rest of the stations not have a newscast starting at aforementioned time, but WHBF-TV doesn't sign on the air 'til 5 A.M.! Strongest WB / UPN Affiliates Back In The Day? I would have to say WPIX and WGN for WB For UPN I would say WSBK WLVI Boston was a strong WB affiliate. Gotta put in a vote for WBNX/55 in the Cleveland market (now CW, natch). They are still sentimental over their WB days...so much so that a Michigan J. Frog neon sign is still on the side of their suburban Akron building to this day. The station transformed from a "family friendly independent" into a power in the market with the WB affiliation, which was previously handled off-pattern by then-UPN affiliate WUAB/43. (You do realize that if this message series gets to "Strongest DuMont affiliates", I'm gonna have to drag my friend Clarke Ingram over from the Pittsburgh board...) And speaking of Cleveland, as I recall WUAB was a strong UPN affiliate early on in the network's life. I think it is Clarke who makes the case that DuMont, after years of dormancy, is now Fox. It certainly was built from a couple of the core foundation stations of A.B. DuMont's network. And isn't Fox using what was a DuMont facility in New York? It's a little more direct than that (that the core stations of the network became Fox outlets). After the network folded and A.B. DuMont was eventually forced out of the company, the broadcasting holdings became known as Metropolitan Broadcasting Company. John Kluge bought out Paramount Pictures' share of the company in 1960 and renamed it Metromedia. In 1986 News Corp bought the remaining Metromedia television properties in New York, L.A., Chicago, Dallas, Boston, Washington, and Houston, and made them the first O&O's of the Fox Broadcasting Company. I read somewhere that WUPA Atlanta was the strongest UPN affiliate with WJZY Charlotte at Number 2. I know WJZY's sister station WMYT (then WWWB) was a strong WB affiliate. KMSP 9 in Minneapolis was a pretty strong UPN outlet back in the day. Then FOX bought them,

along with WFTC 29 (the FOX affiliate), and swapped affiliations between the two. KMSP had a lot going for it. A strong independent for years (after ABC ditched them in the 70s) with a news division (WFTC didn't have news until FOX bought them). Now they're a pretty strong FOX O&O. The WB is still going with some web orignals, they can be found at thewb.com and kidswb.com How was the national WB feed of WGN vs the Chicago feed of WGN and the WB do ratings wise? WTWB Greensboro, NC was a strong WB affiliate. No sports pre-emptions, great signal ... WCWG shows sports now and their signal has been lousy ever since DTV. WUPA here in Atlanta was a great UPN affiliate. Back then you could tell they catered to the African American popultation. They were one of the only stations here that was actual crystal clear with a pair of rabbit ears. What are Univisions strongest affilates? Maybe David Edgardo could help us out with this one, I'm guessing either KMEX in Los Angeles or KDTV in San Francisco. WXTV/41 in NYC. They have a local newscast which occasionally beats the lowest-rated English language news, IIRC. WQHS/61 here is probably the "weakest". No local programming at all, and Univision only owns it because it came along in the HSN deal (note the calls) and never sold it. They do a weekend public affairs show that is literally taped in their lobby. KMEX Los Angeles, WXTV Patterson/NYC, or (quite possibly the strongest of all), WLTV Miami. KUVN (licensed to Garland, TX) serving Dallas-Ft. Worth would be among the strongest. Noticias 23 is the news leader in the market, #1 25-54 at both 5 PM and 10 PM. WGBO-DT 66.1 Joliet/Chicago is a strong Univision station, & it's an O&O station too. This station has done better as a Univision station than any English language programming it ever had prior to January 1, 1995. Prior to 1995, Univision was a weak network in Chicago, due to only having parttime status on WCIU, & that caused Univision to buy WGBO, after they learned it was for sale, since WCIU refused to be a full-time Univision affiliate. Definitely KMEX in Los(t) Angel(s)es. The city has the highest proportion of Latinos (read: Mexicans) of all the major cities in the country, helping to make it the most dominant Spanishlanguage network group in the U.S.. WLTV comes a close second but the difference is Miami has some other factors that is not as present in L.A.. Then comes Houston, Chicago and Dallas. You are merely looking at populations and not at the stations themselves. If you look at the "strongest" affiliates for the Univision, then WLTV is definitely right up there because Univision has many of its operations in Miami - in basically the same location as WLTV. In other words, they have awesome capabilities. And, their ratings (when I last checked) were the highest of ANY Univision station in the US. WXTV is another that has excellent facilities by virtue of serving market #1 - and it has one of the longest histories of any Univision affiliated station. And, of course, KMEX is another "heritage" station when it comes to Spanish language broadcasting. And, KMEX gets great ratings, just as

WLTV does. Lastly, one Univision affiliate that we've all forgotten is WLII 11 - 'Univision Puerto Rico', which has even better ratings on the island than locally originated WAPA (believe it or not). Although Puerto Rico is a mid to large sized market on its own, it's also 99% Spanish speaking - so it's in the top 4 or 5 Spanish speaking markets. The others you listed are strong too, but not nearly as prevalent as the "big 3" above. I get to see plenty of broadcasts from Univision's WGBO in the Chicago market and though they do a good job, they don't hold a candle to the likes of KMEX or WLTV. WUVP in Philadelphia. Not even close - that's a very bush league operation. I don't know how WUVN-TV (UNI) channel 18 of Hartford does in the ratings. Their prior analog signal was awful where I lived. The station has had way too many problems in its history to even get into here. I think they have the same ownership as WUNI-TV (UNI) channel 27 of Worcester, MA, since news that I've seen mentions both greater Boston and Hartford. In the waning days of analog, Telemundo was on low-power channel 50 and Telefutura was WUTH-CA, low-power channel 47. KUNS 51 Seattle, since they air a local Seattle 6PM newscast...all in Espanol! Mentions also go to KMEX, WXTV and Puerto Rico's Univision. -crainbebo STATIONS WITH OTHER MAJOR NETWORK(S) ON THEIR SUB-CHANNELS This is from a Wikipedia article on "digital subchannels" if you know of more, spot a mistake or have updated info, jump right in. KSII SHERMAN, TX 12.1 CBS 12.2 MY NETWORK TV 12.3 FOX WGXA MACON, GA 24.1 FOX 24.2 ABC WKBN YOUNGSTOWN, OH 27.1 CBS 27.2 FOX WYTV YOUNGSTOWN, OH (sister station to WKBN) 33.1 ABC 33.2 MY NETWORK TV WLTZ COLUMBUS, GA 38.1 NBC 38.2 CW KALB Alexandria,LA runs 2 HD feeds on 1 Channel 5.1 NBC 1080i

5.2 CBS 720p KSII SHERMAN, TX 12.1 CBS 12.2 MY NETWORK TV 12.3 FOX That's actually KXII, not KSII. Both 12.1 and 12.3 are in high definition, while 12.2 is standard def only. The other station in the market, KTEN, is NBC on their primary channel, CW on a subchannel -and recently signed a deal to offer ABC on an additional subchannel. Don't know if that's actually launched yet, or if ABC will be offered in HD or standard def only. WAGM Presque Isle, ME 8.1 FOX 8.2 CBS The strange thing with WAGM is that it was a CBS affiliate before the DTV transition, but chose to put its main signal on Channel 8.2 and FOX on 8.1. I've heard of a couple other situations like that but it's fairly unusual. You'll note all of those cases are with Fox affiliates. - Trip KECY El Centro CA/Yuma AZ 9.1 Fox (720p) 9.2 ABC (480i) 9.3 CW (480i) 9.4 Telemundo (480i) KTEN has the TitanTV listing of ABC on their website, so it looks like they have it going by now. So, 10.1 - NBC, 10.2 - CW, 10.3 - ABC. Also, KBMT/12 in Beaumont: 12.1 - ABC, 12.2 - NBC, 12.4 - Azteca America Examples involving the "Big 4" on a subchannel within a few hours' drive of Springfield, IL. And IMO I also hope for the day that such a similar situation happens in Terre Haute, IN, who has lacked an ABC affiliate (without relying on Champaign, Indy, or Evansville or going without) since the then-WBAK-38 (now WFXW) went from ABC to Fox in 1995. Springfield, IL: 49.1 WCFN (My) 49.2 CBS (relay from WCIA-3.1 Champaign) (BTW, WCFN was previously first a translator of WCIA from 1967-85 then a full-power relay of channel 3 from 1985-April 2002 when becoming a standalone as first a UPN affiliate and now My). Champaign, IL: (actually not really an example but an illustration of the Springfield situation with WCFN in reverse) 3.1 WCIA (CBS) 3.2 My (relay from WCFN)

Quincy, IL/Hannibal, MO: 7.1 KHQA (CBS) 7.2 ABC 10.1 WGEM (NBC) 10.2 CW 10.3 Fox Kirksville, MO/Ottumwa, IA: 3.1 KTVO (ABC) 3.2 CBS This seems to be a generally good idea and really more popular than I had thought. I can see an aggressive station in NOWHERE, U.S.A. in a 100,000 market with only one station having 4 or 5 networks on their sub-channel lineup. So, what's to keep a CBS station from putting CBS on say 3 subs, with different syndicated shows on each sub? The cost, I guess. But hasn't something similar been temporarily done on some CBS affiliates--only during the first weekend of March Madness (with alternate NCAA men's tourney games on subs)? KMIZ Coumbia/Jefferson City MO 17.1 ABC 17.2 ABC 17 Stormtrack 24/7 17.3 MyNetworkTV KOMU Columbia/Jefferson City MO 8.1 NBC 8.2 Universal Sports 8.3 The CW WTRF Wheeling W. Va. 7.1 CBS 7.2 FOX/MyNetwork 7.3 ABC WFMJ Youngstown, Ohio 21.1 NBC 21.2 CW But hasn't something similar been temporarily done on some CBS affiliates--only during the first weekend of March Madness (with alternate NCAA men's tourney games on subs)? You would be correct - WNEM/5 in Bay City, Michigan (a state with two Big Ten teams plus at least four other teams) does exactly that. And the ABC is a recent addition for a market which historically watched WTAE/4 Pittsburgh for ABC (and a bit of WYTV/33 on the northern end of the market). WTRF owner West Virginia Media also added ABC to its Clarksburg station's subchannel lineup, IIRC. I think WTRF FINALLY got analog cable carriage for "ABC Ohio Valley" on the local Comcast

systems, after launching in the 200s digitally... Springfield, MA: WGGB-DT 40-1 ABC WGGB-DT 40-2 FOX ("FOX 6") During the analog days, Springfield always relied on WTIC-TV channel 61 of Hartford for their FOX programming. WABI Bangor, Maine 5.1 CBS 5.2 The CW WVII Bangor, Maine 7.1 ABC 7.2 FOX / MyNetworkTV WCBI Columbus, MS: 4.1 CBS 4.2 MNTV 4.3 CW I wish that WBBJ (ABC) and WJKT (Fox) in Jackson, TN would do something like this. Instead, WBBJ is only doing a simulcast of the main channel with SCA if it's available and weather radar with NOAA radio, and WJKT is still doing nothing. Carrying other networks that would bring in more viewers and ad dollars makes more sense than their just sitting on their rear ends and doing very little or nothing. Roll Eyes More info I discovered: WLMT Memphis: 30.1 CW 30.2 MNTV (RTV at other times) I also found out that WLMT operates WJKT in Jackson, TN, which I already knew, and also WBJK, the CW 100+ station in Jackson. This makes me think, what is keeping WJKT from carrying WBJK and CW on a subchannel? KBMT Beaumont, TX: 12-1 ABC 12-2 NBC WNKY Bowling Green, KY: 40-1 NBC 40-2 CBS I do know of one instance when an affiliate regularly airs a show on its digital subchannel: WFMY pre-empts the "Saturday Early Show" on 2-1 and airs it on 2-2.

And it's not unusual for CBS affiliates to have games on their digital subchannels during March Madness; we've had occasions when two ACC teams were playing at the same time, and WFMY and (particularly) WRAL would carry one game on the main channel and one on the subchannel. WBOC Salisbury MD 16.1 CBS-HD 16.2 FOX-SD Widescreen* It's a small station near Ocean City, Maryland but it's choice to broadcast SD Widescreen OTA while making HD available via cable an example ABC stations running Live Well HD should follow. Smiley That is if ABC ever gets programming worth watching. Wink *On some STBs FOX-21 comes up as 21.2 NBC WALB 10 Albany GA recently announced it will be adding ABC on 10.2 in 2011 (This TV would go to 10.3 from 10.2) Tri-Cities TN/VA WCYB 5.1 (NBC) WCYB 5.2 (CW) WKPT 19.1 (ABC) WKPT 19.2 (MY)* (Retransmission of WAPK-CA) KTMF Missoula, MT 23.1 ABC 23.2 Fox The ABC stations in Great Falls, Helena And Butte/Bozeman also have this same configuration In Milwaukee, Weigel Broadcasting has a simulcast of WYTU-LD (RF 17, PSIP 63) on WBME 49.4 which is the Telemundo affiliate. WYTU-LD doesn't cover the entire market, and having Telemundo on a subchannel of WBME allows for the network to be available to the entire market. It however is in SD. In Grand Rapids, while WWMT doesn't have a major network on 3.2, it does have CW on 3.2, while CBS is on the main channel in 1080i HD. I can't think of other markets have have a major network on a subchannel, but I believe this arrangement will primarily be found in markets with less than 6 full power stations. I could possibily see this being done in markets with less than 10 full power stations as well. Now if only WNDU or WSJV would put ABC on a subchannel (in the case of WSJV, that would involve putting ABC back on their station). WSBT is too committed to their independent SBT 2 channel on WSBT 22.2 to also carry ABC. The subject line specifies "major" networks, so the very common NBC on x.1 and CW or My on x.2 doesn't really qualify here. But a few that do.

WLIO Lima OH- NBC 8.1, Fox on 8.2, plus ABC and CBS on sister station WOHL 35.1/2. WIVT Binghamton NY. ABC 34.1, NBC 34.2 WENY Elmira NY: ABC 36.1, CBS 36.2, CW 36.3 WWNY Watertown NY. CBS 7.1, Fox 7.2 Cincinnati, OH WKRC 12.1 (CBS) WKRC 12.2 (CW) Like Scott, I'm not counting the mininets. I'm also not sure I count those stations which simulcast sister major network stations due to signal/market issues - i.e. WWCP/8 (Fox) carrying WATM/23 (ABC) on .2, and WATM carrying WWCP on its .2. Though I do wish WUAB/43 would add WOIO/19 on 43.3... What Trip talks about seems to be the case with WGBC in Meridian, Mississippi, an NBC affiliate dating back to 1991 (according to Wikipedia). WGBC Meridian, MS 30.1 Fox 30.2 NBC Also in Meridian, MS: WTOK 11.1 ABC 11.2 MyNetworkTV 11.3 The CW As it is, the only stations in the market doing 'singular' major network duty include WMDN 24 (CBS main, Accuweather subchannel) and WMAW 14 (PBS main, Create subchannel). WBKO Bowling Green Ky: 13.1 ABC 13.2 FOX 13.3 CW

What are MyNetworkTV's strongest affiliates? Yes, I know few people watch this channel. But there has to be stations that are strong affiliates... so what are they? Tongue WWOR My9 Seacacus, NJ (NY Yankee over the air) KCOP My13 LA (LA Angels OTA broadcast) KPDX 49 Beaverton/Portland KMYQ 22 Tacoma/Seattle XHDTV 49 Tecate BC, MX/San Diego KSMO 62 Kansas City, MO WMYD 20 Southfield/Detroit, MI WSTR 64 Cincinnati, OH

WPTT 22 Pittsburgh WDCA My20 Washington, DC WUTB My24 Baltimore, MD Add these to your list: WPHL/17 Philadelphia(Phillies OTA) WBFS/33 Miami WUAB/43 Lorain/Cleveland OH KTXH/20 Houston WATL/36 Atlanta KRON San Francisco. This station use to be a very strong NBC station until Young Broadcasting got hold of it and basically plowed it into the ground and that resulted in Young filing for bankruptcy protection. WCGV is pretty strong; they're still running off a little goodwill from being Milwaukee's charter Fox affiliate and being among the few stations to refuse to promote UPN's lousy programming when they were affiliated with them (and pulled UPN off for a few months in '98). They have a great syndicated lineup ("The Simpsons" and "Family Guy" lead into primetime) and promote what little MyNet has well, and has in the past marketed themselves as among the highest-rated stations of MyNetworkTV in the country. What are ABC's strongest affiliates? I keep thinking of KGO-TV as the strongest ABC Affiliates because they were innovative in terms of being less about celebrity fluff and more on real journailism with some Human interest stores in the mix. But the Celeb Fluff is usually saved for 7 live. Are we talking about ABC affiliates news presentations or the station(s) as a whole? If news, I was living in NYC when WABC (7) began the "happy news" format. While initially interesting it quickly became irritating especially since there was a war underway at the time, divisive politics and riots in the streets and escapism seemed the wrong approach. Later, ABC's "20/20" did some stories that were decidedly one-sided and smacked of agenda driven journalism. I have not watched "20/20" since. I gave up on ABC in the 80's but have returned to it on a part-time basis lately because its network news seems to present more of the national-interest stories and "real news" I am personally interested in. That said, I think all three networks do a pretty lousy job of covering the necessary stories and present way too many human interest and fluff pieces compared to their ancestors. The affiliate stations seem to be cookie cutter in their presentations and I see no real difference between them. If your talking ratings, then nothing beats wpvi in Philadelphia. It wins every hour of the day (not sure about overnight 12:35 to 4:30AM, but it probably wins that too). Its news has been #1 since the 70's. An article from the 90's once mentioned the 6:00 PM news locally often beat out friends & Seinfeld in the ratings. Its been suggested that the money wpvi brought in made it possible for capital cities to purchase ABC. My understanding is that WSB-TV in Atlanta is a strong ABC affiliate. Surely not KNXV...they are the best example of "who cares if it's OK, nobody cares!". WTVD and KNXV's ABC predecessor (KTVK) are/were pretty strong. (The fact that WRAL and WTVD are such

strong stations in their respective networks squeezes out WNCN!) I would think WABC New York, KABC Los Angeles, WLS Chicago, KGO San Francisco and WFAA Dallas are the strongest affiliates. Hearst has 10 stations that can be considered strong ABC affils: WISN/Milwaukee, WCVB/Boston, KOCO/Oklahoma City, KMBC/Kansas City, KITV/Honolulu, WTAE/Pittsburgh, WMTW/Portland (Maine), WMUR/Manchester, KETV/Omaha, and KOAT/Albuquerque. Other strong ABC affils, in terms of programming overall, include: WBAY/Green Bay (Young) KSTP/Minneapolis-St. Paul (Hubbard) KXLY/Spokane (Morgan Murphy) KOMO/Seattle (Fisher) KSAT/San Antonio (Post-Newsweek) KGTV/San Diego (McGraw-Hill) KXTV/Sacramento (Gannett) KTVX/Salt Lake City (Newport) KMGH/Denver (McGraw-Hill) KERO/Bakersfield (McGraw-Hill) KMID/Odessa-Midland (Nexstar) WHAS/Louisville (Belo) KTXS/Abilene (Bonten Media) WPLG/Miami (Post-Newsweek) KATU/Portland (Oregon) (Fisher) KOTA/Rapid City (Duhammel) WSOC/Charlotte (Cox) WEWS/Cleveland (Scripps) WJLA/Washington (DC) (Albritton) KIII/Corpus Christi (London) WXYZ/Detroit (Scripps) I believe Houston's KTRK (13) Happens to be a strong ABC Powerhouse. It Has Been THE Most popular TV Station for over 3 decades. I think that most, if not all, of ABC's strongest stations have already been mentioned, but I can say that the network's two weakest stations are WLNE Providence and KDNL St. Louis. I know that WLNE has had money and ownership problems, but the syndicated programs that they air are leftovers that many CW/MyNetworkTV stations won't air ("Steven & Chris" "The Gossip Queens"). KDNL has no news and is programmed like a typical CW station with daytime talk/court shows and sitcom reruns. Don't forget WLOX-13 (Biloxi/Gulfport, Miss.); they are the only station in the area with LOCAL news (WXXV Fox 25 tried their hand in the '90s) even if the New Orleans stations are their competition. As for the weakest? Look no further than ABC Alaska (KIMO Anchorage/KATN Fairbanks/KJUD Juneau). Sure, they may be riding high with "Dancing With The Stars" (aka "The Bristol Palin Show") and "Modern Family", but their news presentation has been a mess with longtime News Director Ty Hardt being shown the door recently. Strong ABC affiliates? Hmmm! Not in Hartford/New Haven! WTNH-TV channel 8 of New Haven is nearly always in third place behind WFSB-TV channel 3 (CBS) and WVIT-TV channel 30 (NBC). Granted they do score better in New Haven and Fairfield County, but run in third as a whole. (Fairfield County, although close by, is considered part of the New York City market).

As for WMTW-TV channel 8 in Poland Spring, ME (Portland market), they've been in third place for many years, as far as I know. When I lived in southern Maine (and when I visit), the TV always went (goes) to market-leader WCSH-TV (NBC) channel 6. WGME-TV (CBS) channel 13 has had a book or two where they beat out WCSH, but it didn't happen often. WSB/Atlanta is a monster. Look at the ratings for any of their newscasts and you'll see they draw as many viewers as all the competing newscasts combined. I think ABC has mixed feelings about WSB. Usually at least once a month they leave the network one night (around 8PM) for some local Clark Howard special or other local program. Then they show the ABC program they preempted at 2 in the morning. I'd imagine WFAA 8 Dallas and KLTV 7 Tyler are pretty strong. WFAA has heritage, and KLTV's news and weather is used all over East Texas' via the radio stations. I guess someone should just list every ABC affiliate. What next? Strongest NBC, CBS, CW, Univision, Telemundo? Don't give them ideas.. Grin ..oh course such lists, well there is this thing called "community pride". No doubt if I would ask someone from Virginia Beach what is ABC's strongest affiliate, chances are they will tell me "WVEC 13 News". Meanwhile same question in Indianapolis, safe bet to say that they would brag about WRTV..its only natural. Doesn't matter what the ratings are, for many its their local channels that are "the best and strongest" regardless if its Los Angeles or Parkersburg, West Virginia. KSTP used to be a strong station ratings-wise, now I believe it battles for third (or even fourth) place with KARE. KGTV San Diego is a perennial second or third place behind KFMB (and possibly KNSD). Well, regardless of ratings or not, ABC sees WMTW, KGTV, KSTP and KOMO as very loyal. So do their owners... and they'll make sure of that. KATU? Their in third to fourth place in ratings. KXLY? They are in third place in their market. WJLA Washington? Their local newscast ranks last behind WTTG FOX 5 and WRC NBC 4. KGTV San Diego? They rank behind KFMB, KNSD, and KUSI in the evening, morning, and late newscast same thing as KMGH in Denver. KSTP 5 Minneapolis/ST. Paul. Their newscast and their station ranks in third place and fourth place during sign on to sign off and their newscast. They are tailing behind WCCO CBS 4, KARE NBC 11, and KMSP FOX 9. KTVX in Salt Lake City trailing third to fourth place in that market.They cannot complete with KSL and KUTV which are the market leaders. KXTV in Sacramento is in third place in the news war in Sacramento Market. They are trailing behind KCRA NBC 3 and KOVR CBS 13. I don't know how did you determine that these are consider to be strong affiliates even they are not the top news or program in market compare to WSB ABC 2 in Atlanta GA, and WSOC ABC 9 in Charlotte, NC. Also, as for Fisher ABC stations, I'm not sure if they still have a strong relationship with ABC. In recent years, they have a rocky relationship with ABC. Well, if that is the case, we might as well exclude those stations from being strong ABC affils. If all of these stations are tanking in the ratings, then what should they do? Fire their GM? Get better shows? Drop ABC altogether (Could happen if the rifts they're having with groups like Fisher flare up)? I hate to see these stations lose their ABC affiliations because of lousy decisions, lackluster ratings and bad programming choices. ABC in South Carolina is very weak. WCIV is a very weak #3, sometimes beaten by the Fox for #4.

Allbritton (the owners of WJLA), doesn't give them any of the resources that their bigger stations have (no HD, no midday news, syndicated lineup could improve). Columbia is a weak #3, but they were the first to have HD news there, and has a decent sports department and a streetfront studio. Florence's WPDE is #2 now, but WMBF is quickly passing them by. They try very hard, but didn't even have a Myrtle studio until just a few years ago. Other than Charlotte, Asheville is probably the strongest in the area. They are an easy #1 in Western NC. WCVB in Boston is very strong. Leads all time periods for local news in which it has a newscast. Too many posters here are just listing ABC affiliates that they *think* are "strong" without actually checking local ratings nor defining what "strong" means. If you mean perennially dominant in news in local programming, then most of you are off. The ones that I know of that are dominant in this way include: WABC - New York WLS - Chicago KGO - San Francisco WCVB - Boston WJLA - Washington WPVI - Philadelphia WXYZ - Detroit WFAA - Dallas/Ft. Worth You may notice that most (though not all) of the above are ABC O&O's and that's no accident. ABC has done a better job of operating their owned and operated affiliates than any other major network. There are many similar scenarios in smaller markets that are too many to list here. I would like to toss in WMUR Manchester, NH simply because they are the "go to" station for New Hampshire's 1.4 million residents. WFAA isn't dominant anymore. They are in a dogfight most books. In western New York, ABC has been a powerhouse since the 60's. WKBW -7 in Buffalo and WHAM (WOKR) -13 in Rochester have been strong since their beginnings. I guess WKBW isn't what it used to be but WHAM is still very dominate in Rochester. In Syracuse, WIXT (WNYS) -9 started out as the perennial number three but has been very strong in the last couple decades. KGTV San Diego? They rank behind KFMB, KNSD, and KUSI in the evening, morning, and late newscast same thing as KMGH in Denver. I really those of you who seem to be obsessed into ASSUMING that all the McGraw Hill stations use THE SAME studios for their newscasts. Identical graphics & news packages DOES NOT translate to identical studios. When are you people going to learn this? That said, it's true KMGH ranks third in most newscast timeslots BUT that's because they can't get any higher right now until the ceiling above them cracks. Cheers Cheesy WXLV Greensboro, NC is the same. They tried news and had to give it up. They are co-owned with a My Network affiliate but virtually indistinguishable in their presentation and non-network shows. And they advertise each other's programs.

KDNL in St. Louis will have news again...but produced by crosstown KSDK/5. WTVQ in Lexington Ky and WKPT in Kingsport Tn are not strong ABC. WTVQ has a Mickey Mouse news operation and when it had a news department, not in several years mercifully, WKPT's was not even up to the level of Mickey Mouse. WHSV Harrisonburg, VA. Despite competition piped in from DC, Richmond, Charlottesville and Roanoke... it's still THE station in the Shenandoah Valley. Full disclosure, I spent 2 years there in the early 80s. What Are CBS's Strongest Affiliates? We might as well do all four major broadcast networks. Lets not forget CBS the #1 network. What are CBS's strongest affiliates? WFSB-TV channel 3 of Hartford has always preformed well around here. Their newscasts at 6 and 11 pm are #1 nearly every book. They've been with CBS since 1960 or so. WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain challenges them at times. WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8 of New Haven may do better in New Haven County (and in out-of-market Fairfield County to an extent), but as a statewide whole, it's clearly WFSB. WFSB-TV channel 3 of Hartford has always preformed well around here. Their newscasts at 6 and 11 pm are #1 nearly every book. They've been with CBS since 1960 or so. WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain challenges them at times. WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8 of New Haven may do better in New Haven County (and in out-of-market Fairfield County to an extent), but as a statewide whole, it's clearly WFSB. WWL-4 in New Orleans has been very, very strong for over 30 years, and the ratings prove it. CBS affiliate WRAL-TV 5 in Raleigh is a perennial market leader, even when it was ABC (before WTVD-11 in Durham became an ABC O&O in 1985 and they swapped networks). WRAL owns and uses their news brand on the market's Fox affiliate, WRAZ-TV 50, as well. Raleigh is basically a two-horse town, TV-wise. We might as well do all four major broadcast networks. Lets not forget CBS the #1 network. What are CBS's strongest affiliates? I will give you two in New England. WCAX-Burlington, VT and WABI Bangor, Maine.

The absolute worst CBS affiliate in my opinion... WTVH-Syracuse. The station of record for Columbus, Ohio is by far WBNS. The Media Generally Cheap WCMH (which still uses nbc4i.com for their website long after only Apple can get away with using "i") and the Sinclair Fox/ABC cluster are much lower, and despite losing Ohio State sports to ESPN and the Big Ten Network they still do quite well with the coaches and athletes shows it can air. And WWL is strong because they have the backstop of WUPL to pass off the terminally low "Early Show" to air their Today-dominating 4-hour local news, along with all of the goodwill built up through their coverage of Katrina. For Baltimore WJZ is as equally strong as WBAL, with the Sinclair cluster just as strong and WMAR out of it. Another thing I noticed when I was near Fort Knox to visit my sister is that WLKY is pretty strong despite a UHF hamstring and coming in late to the market, not until the 1960's (they got

lucky when WHAS switched to ABC for Derby rights in the 90's that eventually got lost to NBC and WAVE). And WWL is strong because they have the backstop of WUPL to pass off the terminally low "Early Show" to air their Today-dominating 4-hour local news, along with all of the goodwill built up through their coverage of Katrina. I thought CBS wanted all locals to air The Early Show on their own network. It was said local newscasts at to stop at 7am for The CBS Early Show. How is WWL able to pull this off? I often wonder how CBS allows WFMY to get away with running its "Good Morning Show" to 8 AM, then airing "The Early Show" on a one-hour delay from 8-10. Back on topic: WRAL was, at one time, the fourth-highest-rated CBS affiliate in the country. I'd like to know if KELO Sioux Falls, SD, and KOLN Lincoln, NE, are still as dominant as they were 20-30 years ago. WDBJ Roanoke, VA, holds onto number one in its market, but its audience is aging out; ABC affiliate WSET Lynchburg may be in the best position to eventually take over the number-one slot. Likewise, in Charlotte, WBTV has lost a lot of ground to WSOC (that could change when WSOC loses Oprah). Besides WLKY, one other former ABC affiliate is doing far better with CBS: WTSP Tampa/St. Petersburg; its one drawback is not related to its network, but to its transmitter's being north of the other Bay Area stations' and thus unable to adequately cover Sarasota/Bradenton, which, I believe, relies more on WINK Ft. Myers for CBS. I'm surprised no one has mentioned WSEE in Erie, PA. I know they carry some of the top-rated syndicated shows such as Ellen and Wheel of Fortune & Jeopardy! I also know that for years, it was available on DirecTV as the national CBS feed for the East Coast. However, I'm not positive, but I somehow think they had slightly different programming, and even a different logo for their satellite feed. I think it's even seen in a few other countries over satellite. WTHI-TV in Terre Haute Indiana is probably the strongest CBS affiliate in the nation. They said a few sweeps periods ago (May 2009, maybe?) that they won every single timeslot through the book. Can't hurt that their competition comes only from two Nexstar stations and a low budget, signalchallenged PBS. In terms of market share, KCCI in Des Moines used to brag about being the strongest. I seem to remember some of its newscasts getting 75 shares, even within the last 10 years! And WWL is strong because they have the backstop of WUPL to pass off the terminally low "Early Show" to air their Today-dominating 4-hour local news, along with all of the goodwill built up through their coverage of Katrina. WWL was a gorilla long before Katrina, and probably always will be. Also dominant or 2nd in their markets: WIVB Buffalo KUTV Salt Lake (which also delayed the Early Show to run their popular local newscast) KPIX San Francisco

Also, WWL has had the highest-rated local newscasts in the country, with numbers for the 6:00 and 10:00 posting in the double digits. Even "A Sunday Journal", hosted by the late essayist Jim Metcalfe in the '70s, beat out all the network shows! 13WMAZ Macon is among CBS's top 5 affiliates in ratings and audience share. For a few years, it and WWL battled it out for the top slot in the CBS stable of stations. In primetime, it achieves a 1720% higher rating than the average CBS station. Ironically, The Early Show trounces the other two network morning shows in Macon. The Young and The Restless has demos that are higher than almost all of the other station's prime shows. WCTV Thomasville-Tallahassee and WTOC Savannah are powerhouse CBS stations, too. Both have the usual solid local news operations. In the case of WWL and WFMY, their preemption/time delay of The Early Show is because of grandfather agreements with the network. Those stations have probably aired local news in those slots for many years so the network chooses not to force them to abandon them for the network show. WTOC Savannah, another monster strong CBS station, shifts The Early Show to an 8am start. WHIO in Dayton, OH (per Wikipedia) was ranked last year as the #1 CBS affiliate in the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHIO-TV WDBJ Roanoke, VA, holds onto number one in its market, but its audience is aging out; ABC affiliate WSET Lynchburg may be in the best position to eventually take over the number-one slot. While you are right about the audience aging out for WDBJ actually this holds true for Roanoke in general, I doubt WSET will ever become the big cheese in that market mainly due to two reasons... 1. WSET is of course a Lynchburg station and Roanoke is the "bigger" city. I just cant see very many people in Roanoke switching away from their city's WDBJ and WSLS in favor of Lynchburg's WSET unless its strictly to catch a show on ABC, not their news. 2. The younger crowd in the market more/less means the New River Valley-Blacksburg ( Virginia Tech )....a bit of a ways from Lynchburg and WSET. I wouldn't be surprised that when it comes to ABC in that region, a good chunk of the younger crowd gets it online while for CBS, NBC and FOX its from nearby Roanoke. Actually the station that has the highest chance in the market ( IMO ) to beat WDBJ is FOX 21 & 27 only because they are acctually a Roanoke AND Lynchburg TV station not just Roanoke OR Lynchburg's. Fox 21/27 airs WSLS-10's news. I don't know anyone in the eastern half of the market who regularly relies on 10, just as I don't know anyone in the western half of the market who relies on 13. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see WDBJ going anywhere since people from the whole market watch it. - Trip The interesting thing about this market is that even though WDBJ ranks at the top, I believe WSLS has a bigger coverage area. Not sure about the south but the other day I discovered that WSLS is now available on cable..in Harrisonburg. Not to be outdone C'Ville's WVIR had expanded their coverage too since they are now on Comcast in both Winchester and Front Royal.

WDBJ-WSLS, I have always heard the story that five years ago ( 2005 ) WSLS actually came very close to top WDBJ in the news ratings only to find themselves in 2006 having a "problem" with their two weathermen Marc Lamarre and Jamie Singleton. Gwad what drama ! ! Drugs, nude photos, gay sex parties, etc...even though both ended up getting canned from WSLS over these issues, the rumors about those two private lives such as "Marc Lamarre had died of a drug overdose while having sex in a hot tub"" were so much for WSLS that the station actually had to bring back Lamarre to WSLS for an interview only to prove to the viewers that he had NOT died. Had none of this happened ( Singleton-Lamarre ) or at least kept their firings private rather than going public with it...I wonder if WSLS would had been able to beat WDBJ? WBTV Channel 3 here in Charlotte was (and maybe still is) a very big CBS affiliate. Their main competition, WSOC-TV the Cox ABC affiliate has been strong too for many years. The others are on UHF so for a long time it was a 2 horse race. I do know that CBS News operated a regional bureau out of the station. There were also stories of during a strike in NYC, WBTV did the network switching for the CBS-TV feed. There were also rumors that CBS paid WBTV a bundle to stay with the network when WSOC dropped NBC to pick up ABC. I'm not certain why they have WSLS on cable up that way, but it's been on cable in Staunton for years which didn't count anyway since that's the Harrisonburg market. I suspect their headend could see WJLA on 7 but since there's no DC station on 10, they pulled in WSLS on 10. (And I think they recently unified the lineups throughout the valley, thus WVIR and WSLS being expanded.) As far as actual OTA coverage area, WDBJ at 675 kW ND has a bigger coverage area than WSLS at 950 kW DA. I definitely believe it hurt the station, but I have a very hard time believing they were close to overtaking WDBJ. There are too many people in the eastern half of the market who will tell you, rightfully or wrongfully, that WSLS won't go anywhere east of Bedford. I know I refuse to watch any newscast on WSLS after seeing them overlook one too many events in my area, including tornado warnings. - Trip Actually, WJLA/7 was on the Staunton/Waynesboro cable system for many years, until being dropped by Adelphia about 2001. Regarding WSLS there, it was obvious 10 was the only channel recieved by Adelphia OTA, since various reception problems popped up from time to time, whereas the DC and Richmond stations always came in picture perfect. OTOH, WDBJ is the only CBS station carried on InTelos fiber cable system in Waynesboro. GO figure.... I agree with Kevin on page 1 about WFSB Channel 3 in Hartford. There's just a couple things about it that bug me: 1. They rebroadcast Entertainment Tonight at 12:37AM right after Letterman. They have for years. Craig is delayed to 1:07AM-2:07AM. 2. This fall they replaced the 2:07AM rebroadcast of Eyewitness News at 11 with an infomercial. 3. They don't clear the Saturday Edition of The CBS Early show.* Over the air viewers can see the Saturday Edition of The CBS Early show on Channel 3.2 as that is a simulcast of WSHM-LP 67 from Springfield, Mass a station WFSB acquired about 10 years ago from TBN.

The absolute worst CBS affiliate in my opinion... WTVH-Syracuse. I'll second that. They are just embarrassing- a shell of what they used to be. On the other hand, I'll give points to WROC in Rochester for all the improvements they've made in the last few years. OTOH, WDBJ is the only CBS station carried on InTelos fiber cable system in Waynesboro. GO figure.... ..and yet in nearby C'Ville..they have their own CBS. Several years ago Waynesboro ( ..and Staunton, Harrisonburg, Winchester, Luray..) almost had their own CBS when the valley's WAZT was put on the market when owner/founder Art Stamler had decided to retire after the death of his wife. Don't recall who it was but whoever he/she was had offered a ton of money for WAZT with the intention of that station in becoming a CBS affiliate for the central and northern Valley. . However someone else offered Stamler about the same amount of money for WAZT as the group who wanted the station to go CBS. Stamler took to former as that person had planned on keeping WAZT's mostly religious format. Today WAZT is in bankruptcy and could very well be dark by the end of the year...Art Stamler should've had sold WAZT to the group who had wanted "The Valley's CBS..WAZT". CBS affiliate WRAL-TV 5 in Raleigh is a perennial market leader, even when it was ABC (before WTVD-11 in Durham became an ABC O&O in 1985 and they swapped networks). WRAL owns and uses their news brand on the market's Fox affiliate, WRAZ-TV 50, as well. Raleigh is basically a two-horse town, TV-wise. WRAL-TV's parent company, Capitol Broadcasting owns WRAZ. WRAZ used to have "FOX50 News" brand (although it was produced by WRAL) until about 8 years ago when it was just easier to just call it "WRAL News on FOX50". WNCN was making strides under network ownership, but Media General killed that real quickly. Capitol actually signed WRAZ-TV on the air in 1995, and operated it as an LMA with the licensee until buying the station outright several years later. Originally a WB affiliate, it has had WRALproduced news from the very beginning, starting with a WRAL-branded 10pm news. In 1998, when the station became the Raleigh-Durham market's Fox affiliate, they introduced the separatelybranded Fox 50 10 O'clock News out of WRAL's studio B (WRAL used the old analog newsroom down the hall as their set, and they rolled the cameras from one set to the next). When WRAL's new HD newsroom went live in 2001, the analog cameras were used for the Fox 50 news. I think when Fox 50 added local morning news from 7-9 in 2003 or 2004, that's about the time the station reverted to WRAL-branded news. In addition to having the backing of a powerful news brand, I'm guessing the cost of a separate HD-equipped studio plus the logistics of moving the station's existing three HD studio cameras to a separate set with little to no turn around time may have played a role. That Fox 50 morning show has to work its segments and breaks around CBS Early Show cut-ins now. When I was a child Roanoke had its own ABC station on channel 27. I had to watch WLVA occasionally for some reason. Make that listen. I was so glad the night I actually saw the episode of "The Partridge Family" after having had to guess what was going on the first time. WDBJ was a good, clear station, though. And they had "Tom and Jerry" on Sunday, while WFMY delayed it to Saturday so they could show Oral Roberts. "Something Good Is Going to Happen to You."

I don't know how things are now, but WBTV lost its #1 status long ago. In the days of Doug Mayes, Clyde McLean and Jim Thacker, they were THE station for news and WSOC could only dream of competing. Then Doug Mayes left for WSOC and Clyde had all those health problems and retired, and I lost my loyalty. So did everyone else. I discovered WCNC when Terri Bennett moved there. The other meteorolgists couldn't be bothered to tell us what the low and the high were that day if there was other stuff to talk about. Brad panovich made a real efort not to talk about the low and the high. He had to finds things to talk about other than that. His worst quality, though, is the enjoyment of giving people vertigo with 3-D weather maps. Once I discvered Fox Charlotte there was no turning back. For weather. Nothing else. I'll have to agree with the mentions of WBNS/10 Columbus, WHIO/7 Dayton and WDBJ/7 Roanoke. The first two have strong local ownership - though Cox is not technically based in Dayton anymore, it sprung from there and is basically still a "hometown company". Meanwhile, WBNS is owned by the dominant local Wolfe family (Dispatch et al.), and even has sister stations in other markets (Indianapolis). As Trip noted, WDBJ is basically the only full-market TV station in the Roanoke/Lynchburg market. Fox 21/27 doesn't really count for this purpose (since we're considering news, etc., and Fox 21/27's cast is produced by WSLS). In viewers' eyes, WSLS is the Roanoke-only station that occasionally dips into the NRV, WSET is the Lynchburg station that tries to serve Danville and Southside, and WDBJ is (though Roanokebased) the closest thing to a full-market station in the sprawling market. There's no way anyone in the Roanoke or NRV areas turns to 13, unless they're looking for "Dancing with the Stars". Locally, WJW/8 was a very, very strong CBS affiliate in the Storer days. Of course, that all changed in the Fox/New World mess in the mid-1990s...in replacement for WJW, CBS got what was actually a fairly decent UHF Fox affiliate, and now, is the market dog as a CBS affiliate... As I understand it, the Charlotte market divides "number one" three ways: WBTV is strongest to the northwest, toward the mountains (its transmitter is located west of Charlotte, on the Gaston-Lincoln county line); WSOC tends to do best on the east side of the market (Concord, Salisbury, etc.) and, I believe, Gastonia and Rock Hill; WCNC is strongest in the city. That may have changed with NBC's problems, however. (It's interesting, though, that although WFMY puts a stronger signal into Salisbury, about halfway between Charlotte and Greensboro, folks there prefer WBTV.) WBTV's news is number one at noon (between "The Price Is Right" and "The Young And The Restless") and 11 PM (after CBS's strong primetime lineup); WSOC tends to win at 5 and 6 (after Oprah, and right now I'm interested in seeing if WSOC will follow sister station WSB's lead and add a 4 PM newscast next fall; WBTV already has one). WKYT in Lexington Ky has long dominated that market although the local NBC is is comming at them hot and heavy and has been known to beat them in the local ratings. WVLT in Knoxville Tn although not the top station there is making a lot of noise in that market and has cut into WATE and long dominate WBIR in audience. Gray pumped a lot of money into that operation. WBOC-TV Salisbury, MD has been on the air since the mid 50s, and had no competition until

WMDT in the early 80s. It's like WBOC gets a 30-yard start in a 50-yard dash. What are NBC's strongest affiliates? Since we have a thread like this for ABC, I thought I'd do it with some of the other networks. I have to say that I think WHDH channel 7 in Boston is one of NBC's worst affiliates. They seem to eat up most of their schedule with local news. And remember, they almost didn't air Jay Leno's prime time show, and almost lost their affiliation with NBC. And next year, when Oprah leaves the airwaves, Regis & Kelly is going to move from channel 7 to WCVB channel 5, the ABC affiliate in Boston, not only leaving WHDH with no decent syndicated programming, but in place of R&K, they're going to be doing a 9am morning newscast. What about the shift of the Today show? I think they should air the entire Today show live, and put the extra hour of news on at 11am. In the neighboring Providence/New Bedford market, the NBC affiliate there, WJAR-10 is much stronger. It can also be seen in many parts of the Boston DMA, mostly Southeastern MA, Cape Cod, and parts of southern Worcester county on Charter cable. (I'm a bit surprised Charter still offers that channel). I think it has always been the #1 news station in Providence. I think WPRI channel 12 (CBS) might have beaten them a few times, but rarely. And all their syndicated shows are top-rated. They have Regis & Kelly on at 10 am, delaying the final hour of the Today show. They also air the Ellen DeGeneres show and Oprah Winfrey, at least for now. The only downside is I don't think they have a local HD newscast, and I'm not positive, but I think WPRI might as I haven't checked in awhile. What other NBC affiliates in other parts of the country would be considered strong and weak? I can't vote for my local NBC affiliate, KPNX. Their network programming is weak and in my house they are the fourth (out of four) network affiliates. They are even surpassed by ION (oh, the shame!). On a related note, it seems stations, not only NBC affiliates, are packing their broadcast day (including very early morning) with repetitive news programs. Since broadcasting repetitive news doesn't cost much it seems this is done as a cost-reduction tactic. Ahh.....But KPNX's sister station KUSA 9 is one of the best stations NBC has. They're consistently a VERY close 2nd (Only to CBS O&O KCNC 4) to tops in all newscasts (Have been since the 1980s when KCNC 4 was an NBC O&O & KUSA 9 was an ABC affiliate). Their two achillies heels (Neither of which are the fault of KUSA) are primetime & (The BIGGEST one of all) daytime. Because of a poor daytime, they have to keep the only show they produce that's not a newscast on KUSA 9 instead of putting it on duopoly sister station KTVD 20 (MyNetwork TV). This causes them to delay the last hour of Today till 11:00 AM so they have SOMETHING between the show & the noon news. It also forced them to move the daytime version of DoND over to KTVD 20 when it was on although they probably could've (And some would say SHOULD HAVE kept DoND on KUSA 9 & simply aired it in the afternoon instead of airing the tabloid show EXTRA or one of the court shows afterwards. Otherwise, not bad. Cheers Cheesy I can think of one NBC affiliate who thinks that they are the strongest...WHAG in Hagerstown, MD. Recently WHAG has expanded their news and coverage area to include ALL of Northern Virginia

as they really really really believe that they can beat NBC O&O WRC-TV in that region dittos with the Maryland suberbs like Rockville and Gaithersburg. WHAG's plans of expanding is already causing some sort of backlash in Hagerstown as many of the local businesses there for years had marketed themselves as being "tri-state"..no they can't even do that if they wish to advertise on WHAG since that station "serves Virginia now". Oh the news product on WHAG itself. Ah...I caught one of their newscasts a month ago. For 20 minutes all they did was a news story on the Westboro Baptist Church. At one point one of their reporters had approched one of the members of the chruch asking "..how do you feel about gay marriage and those who have mental illness? WHAG has a long long long long long long way to go before they can shine WRC's shoes. Didn't WHAG carry "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy!" until recently? What happened with those? WHAG wants to be more of a Washington DC/Northern Virginia television station than Hagerstown's. In short WHAG just gave it up because WJLA was already airing them. KPNX is number four on my list of the five Phoenix news channels in terms of my viewership (ahead of FOX 10), but I still rarely watch their news. Personal preferences aside, KPNX still has good ratings for all of its newscasts, despite NBC's woes. WVIT the O&O in Hartford sux. Syndicated programming: Noon - Access Hollywood Live 2PM Real Housewives 3PM Nate Berkus 4PM Ellen 7PM Access Hollywood/Extra News: 4:30AM Hot Coffee 5AM-7AM 10:58AM-Noon 5PM-6:30PM 11PM-11:35PM KING-TV in Seattle continues to lead the news ratings, and continues to have a strong image in the market. This station has been doing it right for many decades, starting with Dorothy Bullitt in the late 40's. Amazing story. It has even survived the recent NBC problems without major pull-back. With the exception of an awful period in the early 80's, I agree that KING is king in Western Washington. In the list of bad NBC affiliates, at or near the top of the list would have to be WVTM-13 in Birmingham. It's the only VHF "Big Three" affiliate in the market (even post DT-transition), yet its newscasts rank 4th in the market. The irony is, when Media General bought the station in '06, it gladly sold long-time market bottom feeder WIAT-42 (CBS). Now, Channel 42's newscasts are no worse than 2nd rated, while Channel 13 muddles along. As for WRC itself, I'd have to list it among the top affiliates. It helps that it's been an O&O since day

one. It still gets the highest ratings for newscasts in DC in spite of all of NBC's troubles, as well as some key departures in recent years. And I the Jim Vance/Doreen Gentzler anchor pairing is the longest current pairing in DC. Can't really say much about the rest of the O&O's being that strong these days, though. As for WRC itself, I'd have to list it among the top affiliates. It helps that it's been an O&O since day one. It still gets the highest ratings for newscasts in DC in spite of all of NBC's troubles, as well as some key departures in recent years. And I the Jim Vance/Doreen Gentzler anchor pairing is the longest current pairing in DC. Can't really say much about the rest of the O&O's being that strong these days, though. I would think KNSD San Diego, KNTV San Francisco and KSNV Las Vegas being the strong affiliates. I know that in the Northwest. KING 5 in Seattle and their sister station KGW 8 in Portland, and KTVB 7 in Boise are the strongest NBC affiliates. KGW 8, KTVB 7,, and KING 5 are #1 when it comes to sign-on to sign off. Also, KHQ Q6 from Spokane, and their sister station KNDO/KNDU in Tri-Cities are #1 news station in that market. Also, KOBI 5 NBC Medford, and KCRA 3 in Sacramento (#1 from sign on to sign off and their newscast). However, almost all NBC Owned and Operated station except for KXAS in Dallas, and WCAU in Philadelphia have one of the weakest programming and newscast. WNBC 4 in New York used to be #1 station back in the 80's and early 90's for their news and programming. Now, they are rank behind WNYW FOX 5. WWBT Richmond supplanted WTVR as number one in that market almost as soon as Jefferson-Pilot acquired it in 1968, and I don't think it has ever let go of top spot. WXII Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point is in a spirited battle with WFMY (CBS) and WGHP (Fox), and often finishes first or second. They have Regis & Kelly, Dr. Phil, Oprah, Inside Edition, and ET, which doesn't hurt. Sister station WYFF Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville also tends to lead; it has all the same syndicated shows except Dr. Phil, who's on WSPA. WIS Columbia, SC, has seen some audience erosion at the expense of CBS affiliate WLTX in recent years, but is still number one in the Midlands. If just Charlotte proper counted, WCNC would be number one; while it is so in the city itself, WSOC tends to dominate the eastern side of the market, as well as Gastonia and Rock Hill, and WBTV's strength is still to the northwest, toward the mountains. the only thing that has kept it number one in the last few years, given that--at least when it was on Ch. 3 in the analog days--it has the best reception the closer you get to Boone/Blowing Rock. And in eastern North Carolina it's become essentially a two-way race, especially at news time, between WITN (NBC) and WCTI (ABC). It seems to be to CBS affiliate WNCT's disadvantage that it doesn't do a 5 PM newscast. And I'm going to go out on a limb here. It's not number one, but keep your eye on WMBF Myrtle Beach/Florence. It has practically passed ABC affiliate WPDE, and is making some headway against WBTW (CBS). It may be awhile, but I think WMBF has the potential to eventually become number one down there; one thing that won't hurt is that WBTW loses Oprah after this year.

Bpatrick missed Charleston, Augusta and Savannah, but those stations are usually middling. WAGT was a very weak #3 in that market until about five years ago (didn't even have news until 1995), but merged with the much stronger WJBF in order to stay afloat. WSAV is a good #2 in Savannah, but they are well behind WTOC, and WJCL is catching up. WSAV didn't even have a 5 or 5:30 news until this year, when they added a 5:30 (they had a 5pm news until a few years ago). WCBD is still #2, but very far behind WCSC, and WTAT is catching up along with WCIV. They have no sports department except on weekends and high school football Friday nights, and incorporate the big sports events into the news. They were a weak #3 until they switched to NBC in '96 (before that, they were ABC). Also, KCRA 3 in Sacramento (#1 from sign on to sign off and their newscast). I hate KCRA(p) because it's an overrated ego stroking atrocity of a station. The people there are overegotistical loudmouths who think they can pwn other stations and humiliate them just to make their station look good. OTOH, KSBW 8 in Salinas is a smaller station but at least their newscast is more laid back and more eastgoing rather than their atrocious sister station. KSEE 24 Fresno KSBY 6 San Luis Obispo KSHB 41 KC KSDK 5 STL KSL SLC Those are strong I can tell you about the weak stations KIEM Eureka KNVN Redding KTVZ Bend, OR KMIR Palm Springs KYMA Yuma/El Centro KRNV Reno In the list of bad NBC affiliates, at or near the top of the list would have to be WVTM-13 in Birmingham. It's the only VHF "Big Three" affiliate in the market (even post DT-transition), yet its newscasts rank 4th in the market. The irony is, when Media General bought the station in '06, it gladly sold long-time market bottom feeder WIAT-42 (CBS). Now, Channel 42's newscasts are no worse than 2nd rated, while Channel 13 muddles along. I know there are a lot of naysayers about Media General but I would argue one NBC's stronger affiliates is Media General owned WFLA-TV Tampa. Here in New England... I would say the strongest NBC affiliates are probably in Maine... Gannett owned WCSH-6, Portland and WLBZ-2 Bangor. You could maybe add WPTZ, North Pole, NY as well since it serves the Burlington-Plattsburgh DMA. The weakest... WHDH, Boston. They have dropped most of their better syndicated programming (Regis and Kelly going to WCVB/WMUR next season will be the last of the good ones) and replaced it with cheaper stuff and Tabloid style newscasts. I have not seen WJAR since Media General purchased them and I have not seen WVIT in years. WSTM in Syracuse (home of my alma mater) would be at best a mediocre NBC affiliate...

Which is why I passed over them. Charleston and Savannah have practically belonged to CBS for as long as I can remember, and Augusta has been a good ABC town for years. Macon is also one where I'd say the NBC affiliate (WMGT) is middling at best; I've never known a time when WMAZ (CBS) didn't dominate that market. I've looked at clips of KOBI, KTVL (CBS), and KDRV (ABC) on their respective websites, and found that KOBI has the most "small-market feel" of all the Medford TV stations. I'm surprised that they would be number one there. Well, Media General has a hierarchy with their affiliates. Stations like WFLA, WSLS and WJAR are treated like major market stations, and get good graphics packages. Raleigh, Columbus, and Birmingham are below that, and have small staffs with little talent but have HD technology, while most of the rest of their stations are like peas on a pod. WCBD still doesn't clear any programs in HD other than the network, and I don't know if WSAV does either It must have something to do local at WCBD or something. Its sister station WBTW News 13 in Myrtle Beach shows all its programs in HD. WTOV in Steubenville, Ohio is by far the number-one news station. Cox broadcasting has quantum-lept them past WTRF in Wheeling, West Virginia, even though Channel 9 has RTV as its companion network, whilst Channel 7 also has FOX and ABC. Also, WSAZ in Huntington, West Virginia is still huge, having owned that market since the late '40s with no serious competition. I hate KCRA(p) because it's an overrated ego stroking atrocity of a station. The people there are overegotistical loudmouths who think they can pwn other stations and humiliate them just to make their station look good. What, did they not hire you for a job? Do you work at the competition? Yeah, I'd agree that KCRA is sometimes over the top in its promotion of self, but it'd have to be on a list of strong NBC affiliates...it has been dominant in ratings and news in Sacramento for AGES. In the 70's and 80's one of NBC's worst affiliates had to be WMC in Memphis. I've posted before about how notorious they were for pre-empting or delaying NBC programs at that time, and I believe that NBC should have pulled their affiliation. Since the 90's they've been better. WCYB in Bristol Va/Tn has dominated that market almost since day one but lately WJHL has been making noise the last couple of years. WLEX in Lexington Ky has been long dominate WKYT fits lately also. WTVQ is not even on the radar screen in that market. You might want to put WTMJ/Milwaukee in that category, since they did the same thing. But since its sign-on in 1947 it remains one of NBC's strongest affiliates. remember Doreen Gentzler! She was on the Charlotte ABC station. And to bring it back to this thread, Doreen went from that station to...Cleveland's NBC affililate, WKYC/3. (Which may have been an O&O at that time, and may explain how she ended up going to WRC via WCAU in Philly...)

Doesn't explain the fact that they are biased in who they hire. I got rejected by them because I was underqualified and I looked different from the other applicants. Plus I think they are stupid for not carrying the 4th hr of Today unlike their NBC O&O Counterparts. (KNSD, KNBC, KNTV, KING, KGW) but though they have been that way for ages, the ownership made their e-**** so long because of the fact that they only care about ratings and not quality. That's why I hate KCRA(P) for who they are. I think they should basically carry J! and WoF, like sister KSBW, but until then it's still known as pwnd KCRA(P). "Where the News Comes First", it should be Where the News Comes Last B****. Their reporting is like they want attention and they are screaming and saying everything in ALL CAPS! That's what makes me hate them so much. On the other hand, their competing station KXTV 10 (Which I really like) at least cares more and looks more about their community and I really like their new chief, Ken Barlow (Formerly of KARE and WBZ/WSBK) and I like how they have these California Postcard, the Coats for Kids. KOVR/KMAX and KTXL are really good as well. At least I tried applying for them, but at least they did not give me a bad remark that the other station did. But I'm happy for KXTV 10. They are really connected to the community. That's something that KCRA(P) will never do because all that they care about is ratings and not awards and achievements. Gee, you call the station KCRA(P)...wonder why they didn't think you were professional enough for them? Just a thought. Your message otherwise does not make a lot of sense, and basically rips the station for not going along with your own programming ideas (the 4th hour of "Today"? Wheel and Jeopardy? Who cares?). @JackBauer112: I feel your frustration. But you really need to take your energy in a different direction. When someone is turned down, the only way to get back is to turn that negative into a positive. What did you learn? How can I make it better? Turn the focus totally on yourself, not the employer who let you down. This is the ONLY way to get out of your situation. Just a hint...take it for what it is worth. KTUU in Anchorage has been strong for about 25 years because they're the only real station herein Alaska with quality news coverage. WSAZ, Charleston-Huntington, WV has been tops in the market since it signed on the air in 1949. Its dual anchor newscasts from Charleston and Huntington inspired NBC to try something similar. You may recall "The Huntley-Brinkley Report." KCRA(p) vs, KSBW Hearst The turndown happened in 2006-07. I got a job with channel 10 first as an intern and now as a paid intern. I at least try to take it into consideration that KCRA(P) and for that matter KSBW Hearst have when applying for internship. At least when KCRA(P) turned me down, I tried KSBW, but it was filled up, but at least KXTV gave me a great chance and happily I got the job. Thank god for that. Personally, I really liked KCRA under Kelly Broadcasting and their news really did come first. Nowadays since the Hearst takeover of the station, the whole idea of their news became a complete joke because of the fact that KCRA turned well you guessed it. I do however take into consideration that they have been #1 for decades, but when you have a news station that has Hearst sloganize WTNCF (Trademarked under Kelly Broadcasting) and that goes over their heads and basically a default for their main news theme, that is when a good station becomes overrated and KCRA(P) beloongs in the overrated NBC stations in the country. I do however like how Hearst turned KSBW into a powerhouse market because of the fact that they

are a small market station #124. Plus their commitment to the community really shows that they are Coverage You Can Count on. I think that KSBW/Hearst really made them a nice small market station with more news coverage for CA's Central Coast. Joesph Heston really is great when he does his weekly editorials on the weekends. At least most Hearst stations do very well, but some can become overrated and atrocious to watch as KCRA(p) which was #1 is now irritating and less exciting to look forward to see. As long as they seem to yell and get too egotistical when it comes to their news product, they will still be known as KCRA(p). What Are The CW's Strongest Affiliates? I'm being serious here. In recent years, even stations owned by Tribune, such as WPIX in New York (and yes, WTXX in Hartford, MarcB) have shed the CW branding of their on air identities. So which CW affiliate is indeed the strongest these days, in spite of this? IMHO, I would say WPSG in Philadelphia. The Hartford reference should read WCCT-TV Waterbury/Hartford. This station only survived because it became a sister of WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford. It would hard to top WGN in Chicago I'm only counting stations with local news so I would say... WPIX NYC KTLA Los Angeles WGN Chicago KBCW San Francisco WPSG Philadelphia XETV Tijuana (serving San Diego) KWGN Denver While they don't have local news, I've always heard WGNT, channel 27 in Portsmouth, Virginia (Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News, VA-NC market) is one of the CW's strongest performers along with WJZY, channel 46, Belmont, NC (Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC market) KTLA was at it's strongest as an independent (which I pray it returns back to). As The CW, not so much. Supposedly, WBNX/55 here is one of the stronger CW affiliates. The CW is such a mess. How to take two small networks, put them together and make an even smaller network. Maybe it's just me but at times I thought the WB and UPN were pretty good. They were. The CW took all the diversity out of the merger and threw it in the trash while making up mostly crap in the process. The only decent shows on there these days is the Vampire Diaries and Supernatural. I think outside of the KTLAs of the world (WGN, etc.), news really doesn't matter in this mythical contest of "strongest CW affiliates". VERY few CW affiliates do news of any sort, outside of either the very largest markets, or some who run secondary casts produced by other network affiliates. That would be KTLA 5.

VERY few CW affiliates do news of any sort, outside of either the very largest markets, or some who run secondary casts produced by other network affiliates. Remember, starting this year, CW affiliate KIAH in Houston (owned by Tribune) is debuting a new local news "format" (in quotes because the new format looks like a trainwreck). WCWG Greensboro, NC was a big CW affiliate (and WB before that, as WTWB) in the days of analog TV. Supposedly they had the strongest digital signal in the market, but I get four other stations perfectly and have frequent pixillating with them now. It didn't happen when DTV first started, and I was told they would upgrade when the shut down the analog station. Nope, no change. So I watch WJZY on cable. I suppose since they have a WBTV-produced newscast they are stronger. I'm only counting stations with local news so I would say... Snip..... Quote KWGN Denver Where the news is produced by KDVR 31, the FOX affiliate? I think not. Not only that, but they time shift CW primetime to a 8:00 PM to 10:00 PM block, which is hybrid for a Mountain Time Zone station. That would be like KMGH 7 running ABC primetime from 8:00 PM to 11:00 PM because they have the #3 newscast (Which of course ABC would never let them do even if they wanted to). But getting back to KWGN 2, it is one of THE WORST rated stations in town. Only KTVD 20 (MyNetwork TV), KRMA 6, KBDI 12 (Both PBS), KCDO 3 (RTV) & the Godcasters are worse off than KWGN is. In fact, DARE I SAY IT but I would venture to say that even the Latin stations get more viewers than KWGN does (Univision affiliate KCEC 50 MOST CERTAINLY would). The only reason why Local TV even bothers with KWGN is because it's a good place to dump some cheap programming on & makes them more $$$. KTVD 20 does the same thing for Gannett. KWGN even has the local OTA rights to the (Now) World Champion Colorado Rapids MLS regular season games. That's how hard up the station has become. Just my opinion..... Cheers Cheesy What Are NBC's Best Affiliates? It used to Be KRON 4 in San Francisco in the 1990's but now I have no Clue. It's certainly not WTVJ, the NBC O&O serving the Miami/Fort Lauderdale market. Last I checked they were in 6th place...behind Univision O&O WLTV and Telemundo O&O WSCV (a sister station, no less). To quote Hank Goldberg: Only in the Banana Republic, baby...only in Miami! WBIR in Knoxville was always the market leader back in the day, I believe. With NBC's recent woes, I don't know whether this still the case or not. WCAU in Philadelphia.

KNTV 11 San Jose and KNBC 4 Los Angeles. Like most people I don't watch Jimmy Fallon on NBC. In fact when he was the Mystery Guest (Or Mystery Taster as they're referred to) on The Rachael Ray Show yesterday my reaction was "It's that's dude with the late nite talk show on Channel 4." (NBC is on Channel 4 on Comcast). I knew who he was, but couldn't remember his name. WDIV "Local 4" Detroit, owned by Post-Newsweek. Even when Big Chin was on at 10PM, their 11PM newscast managed to stay #1 in the ratings by a mile. WTMJ-4 in Milwaukee is another great example of an NBC affiliate with legs. They have common ownership with that market's daily newspaper as well as top-rated 620 WTMJ radio, the flagship of the Brewers and Packers. Do You Get Affiliates of the Same Network on Your Cable System? I know in many places in the country, you may get two affiliates of the same network on your cable system. Maybe you're halfway between two markets. Maybe you live in a smaller market and affiliates from a nearby large market have been grandfathered on your cable system along with the local signals. I'm curiious how you decide which affilate you watch. Do you normally tune in the nearest station so you can see local news? Does the quality and professionality of the newscast have you tune in the affiliate in the larger market? A friend of mine used to live in Jackson, Michigan, part of the Grand Rapids market, but he also got many Detroit affiliates as well. Since he had moved there for work, he just watched the Detroit newscasts which had a higher level of newsgathering and reporting. I also know someone who lives in New Hampshire where there's an ABC affiliate, WMUR 9, that dominates local news. But he also gets CBS, NBC and ABC from Portland ME, so sometimes for variety he'll watch one of those stations, even though most nights at 11pm, he switches from whatever he's watching to WMUR Is he in the Portsmouth area by chance? As soon as you hop the Piscataqua River Bridge on I-95 into Kittery, ME, you're into York County and the Portland/Poland Spring DMA. Another area you can get multiple affiliates in is Brattleboro, VT. Windham County, VT is considered the edge of the Boston/Worcester DMA. A few miles west in Bennington County and you're in the Albany/Schenectady DMA. 11 miles to the south is Bernardston, MA, which is in Franklin County, MA, the northern edge of the Springfield/Chicopee, MA DMA. ...the cable system in Walworth, Wisconsin, had the affiliates from three different markets -Milwaukee, Chicago and Rockford IL -- when I lived there in '98-'99. I assume they were all grandfathered in from the '70s or '80s. Curiously, while Rockford was clearly the closest market, Walworth County is officially part of the Milwaukee ADI, and the head-end of the system's signal was actually in McHenry County, Illinois, part of the Chicago ADI... Warren, OH's Time Warner system has nearly all of the Cleveland market stations, in addition to the five Youngstown stations (ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox plus PBS). There is certainly historic viewing of the Cleveland stations in Trumbull County, but the Youngstown market stations are local to the area and cover it, news-wise, as much as they cover Youngstown and Mahoning County. It's not like Cleveland and Akron, where the mayor pretty much has to start shooting people to get a crew south of the Ohio Turnpike...and Akron no longer has has any TV news operation, the

reincarnation of the former Channel 23 newscast on WVPX/23 (ex-WAKC/WAKR, Akron's historic ABC affiliate, now ION's Cleveland market O&O) went away after a brief time on Time Warner Cable. Cable One in Eastern Idaho (Idaho Falls/Pocatello) carries KSL-TV (NBC) out of Salt Lake City, in addition to KPVI-TV (NBC) out of Pocatello. I'm pretty certain this is due to the high LDS population in E. Idaho. Perhaps someone should demand the other SLC affiliates be shown in E. Idaho, as this isn't a fair situation. As to which I watch, it depends...a lot of duplicate programming is blocked out on KSL in E. Idaho, however, whenever there is something not competing on, either network or otherwise, KSL is beamed in. As an example, primetime is always blocked out, but "Millionaire" at 4pm can be seen in E. Idaho on KSL. The newscasts are better on KSL, but that would be expected. KSL also does not air Saturday Night Live due to their contention the programming is not family friendly. A friend of mine used to live in Jackson, Michigan, part of the Grand Rapids market, but he also got many Detroit affiliates as well. Actually, Jackson is part of the Lansing TV market, and the Comcast system there (I think) shows Lansing channels exclusively. Jackson County is sandwiched between the Detroit market (Washtenaw County to the east) and the Grand Rapids market (Calhoun County to the west). Verizon FiOS in Dover, DE seems to have a lot of choice affiliate wise. Smiley ABC: WMAR Baltimore, WPVI Philly & WMDT Salisbury MD NBC: WCAU Philly, WBAL Baltimore CBS: KYW Philly, WBOC Salisbury MD FOX: WTFX Philly, FOX 21 Salisbury MD I lived in Dover from 2003-2010 while having FiOS the last two years. It's good to have a spare affiliate when your local channel flakes out with local stuff. It would be nice to have the San Diego affiliates here in Menifee, CA if only for the local news and syndication faire. Wink A cable system in Benton Harbor, Michigan, part of the South Bend market, offers three CBS affiliates - WBBM/2 Chicago, WWMT/3 Kalamazoo, and WSBT/22 South Bend. The same cable system also carries Chicago's WMAQ and WLS in addition to the rest of the South Bend stations. Don't recall if they get WTTW/11 or not. If I recall correctly Flint gets WDIV Detroit on cable in addition to WEYI from Saginaw. Up until the DTV transition, Windsor, Ontario received WTOL and WTVG from Toledo in addition to the full slate of Detroit stations. Closer to Lake Erie it was not uncommon to find a whole smorgasboard of stations on cable from Detroit, Cleveland, and either Toledo or Erie, depending how far east you went. The Durham, North Carolina, cable system used to have two CBS affiliates, WTVD, channel 11 in Durham (ABC since 1985) and WFMY, channel 2 in Greensboro. WFMY was the first station in the area and probably had lots of over-the-air viewership. It was dropped when Fayetteville independent WKFT-TV 40 (now Univision affiliate WUVC) powered up its full-market signal, also around '85. Speaking of Fayetteville, NBC affiliate WECT, channel 6 in Wilmington, was a longtime fixture (and may still be) on cable there. When they build their 2,000 foot tower in 1969, WECT strategically cited it in Bladen County to cover Wilmington and Fayetteville. During the cable era, the RaleighDurham market has had two NBC affiliates, both UHF, and on Fayetteville cable. First was

WRDU/WPTF/WRDC on channel 28 and now WNCN on channel 17. I don't think channel 28 covered Fayetteville very well until 1986 when their power/ tower height was upgraded. WECT's conversion to digital saw their antenna move much closer to Wilmington. About a month ago visitng Winchester, VA, I had noticed that their local Comcast offered the following.. NBC... WRC Washington WHAG Hagerstown WBAL Baltimore WWBT Richmond* WVIR Charlottesville* ABC.... WHSV Winchester ( not Harrisonburg's WHSV ) WJLA Washington WRIC Petersburg-Richmond* CBS.... WUSA Washington WJZ Baltimore WTVR Richmond* MY Network... WDCA Washington WHSV-DT Harrisonburg* "My Valley" FOX.... WTTG Washington WHSV-DT Harrisonburg* "The Valley's FOX" CW... WDCW Washington PBS... WETA Washington WVPT Harrisonburg Maryland Public TV* West Virginia Public TV* Ind & ION... WJAL Chambersburg, PA WAZT Winchester WWPX Martinsburg *channels not listed on the Comcast/Winchester channel line-up available online BUT my aunt was getting these channels on her TV. IN Porter & LaPorte Counties of Indiana are part of the Chicago DMA, but years ago, both counties included South Bend stations as well. In LaPorte County, cable companies still carry all 5 full power stations from South Bend. So this is the overlap in network affiliations: WMAQ - Chicago & WNDU - South Bend (NBC)

WBBM-TV - Chicago & WSBT-TV - South Bend (CBS) WTTW/WYCC - Chicago & WNIT - South Bend (PBS) WFLD - Chicago & WSJV - Elkhart/South Bend (Fox) - Formerly, the overlap with WSJV prior to 1995 was with WLS-TV for ABC affiliation. For Porter County, it's mainly WNDU (NBC) & WSBT-TV (CBS) that's carried on cable. Years ago, it used to be cable companies could carry any station that could be picked up OTA. Now, in most cases, they can only carry stations from other markets if it's a significantly viewed station. Since full power South Bend stations cross over into Porter & LaPorte Counties, the stations mentioned for South Bend are allowed to be carried on cable. Satellite isn't given the same luxury, as they can only go by the market that each county is in. So satellite isn't allowed to carry South Bend stations. IN Starke County Indiana, which is part of the South Bend market, can also get most Chicago stations OTA. I just checked the cable lineup, and was surprised that they only carry WFLD Chicago for Fox. I would have thought that WLS-TV (ABC), WBBM-TV (CBS), WMAQ (NBC), WGN-TV (CW), WTTW (PBS), & maybe WCIU would have been on the cable lineup. WYIN is the only PBS station licensed to the Chicago market that's carried on cable in Starke County Indiana. I'm shocked that WTTW isn't carried on cable, as a number of cable companies in northern Indiana carry WTTW, including Comcast Lafayette Indiana. Instead of WGN-TV, cable in Starke County Indiana carries WGN America (a channel not available on cable in the Chicago market, but is available to satellite viewers). Satellite isn't allowed to carry Chicago stations in Starke County Indiana. I know for the last 40 years, the Mississippi Gulf Coast has always relied on cable for most of their television fare: ABC: WLOX (Biloxi) and WGNO (New Orleans) CBS: WWL (New Orleans) and WKRG (Mobile) Fox: WXXV (Gulfport) and WVUE (New Orleans) PBS: Mississippi Public Broadcasting and WYES (New Orleans) While WWL has their top-rated local morning news from 7:00-9:00, Coast viewers can catch The Early Show on WKRG. That's one of the reasons WKRG has always been the area's "backup" CBS station on occasions when WWL preempts network programming, especially for Mardi Gras coverage. Oh yeah, there's also WDSU (NBC) and WNOL (CW), both from New Orleans. Another area that relies on cable is the Eastern Shore of Maryland, where I vacation every summer. The cable system there carries CBS from both WBOC from Salisbury and WJZ from Baltimore. Until about 1997, they also carried ABC from WJZ(WMAR from 1995) and WMDT. WMAR was dropped from the cable in favor of MSNBC. I lived in Hunterdon County, New Jersey where the system was long-established ("Grandfathered") and located between two major markets (New York and Philadelphia). At first there were differences between major network affiliates in each market but over time, their schedules became virtually identical (even to the same syndicated shows). Now, I don't see much point in any cable system wasting bandwidth. The only difference is local news (and local spots) and the occasional ballgame. Parts of Western Montana Still Carry Some of the Spokane Stations (KXLY and KREM) as well as the Missoula Stations I believe this dates back to the 60's when KECI (then KMSO) was

the only station in missoula A few years ago the cable system in Roanoke Rapids, NC offered the following markets: Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville: WRAL (CBS - Raleigh) WTVD (ABC - Durham) WLFL (then WB- Raleigh) WRAZ (Fox - Raleigh) Greenville/Washington/New Bern (NC): WNCT (CBS - Greenville) WITN (NBC - Washington) Hampton Roads: WGNT (then UPN- Portsmouth) Only CBS was repeated, but the then 6 networks were from 3 different tv markets. Not sure what is going on there now as I think WGNT is CW as is WLFL now. Here, we don't get affiliates of the same network, but about 50 miles N or S, you can. In Georgetown, about 50 miles N or so, they have two cable systems. One system has all Charleston stations plus WPDE, WBTW, and WIS out of Columbia, while the other has the same plus the CW from Charleston. Neither picks up WMBF, the NBC from Myrtle. In Bluffton, the system picks up all Savannah stations plus WCSC and WCIV from Charleston. In Hilton Head itself, the cable picks up all Savannah plus WCSC. In Beaufort, about 50 miles S of Charleston, all Savannah and Charleston channels are picked up. This is good especially for football games, since the Savannah channels usually air Falcons and Jaguars games while Charleston shows the Panthers and the best game available. Back when I lived in Mount Pleasant, TX, the local cable system was so small (how small was it?) we got our bills on a postcard every other month. Anyway, we had the following network stations: ABC: WFAA Dallas, KLTV Tyler, KTBS Shreveport CBS: KDFW Dallas, KLMG Longview, KSLA Shreveport NBC: KXAS Fort Worth, KTAL Texarkana Fox: KDAF Dallas PBS: KERA Dallas Ind: KTVT Fort Worth KDFW is now Fox, KTVT is now CBS, KDAF is now CW, KLMG is now KFXK Fox. Now on the cable system are: ABC: KTBS Shreveport (SD+HD), KLTV Tyler (SD only), WFAA Dallas (SD only) CBS: KYTX Longview (SD only), KSLA Shreveport (SD+HD) NBC: KTAL Texarkana (SD+HD), KXAS Fort Worth (SD only) Fox: KMSS Shreveport (SD+HD) PBS: KERA Dallas (SD only), KLTS Shreveport (HD only) My: KSHV Shreveport (SD only) CW: KCEB Tyler (SD only) Out where I live we don't have cable, so I have DirecTV and

get two CBS stations (WFMY and WRAL) and two Fox (WGHP and WRAZ). We're in the Raleigh-Durham DMA but WFMY, as the oldest station in the area, and WGHP, which has been around since 1963, have significant viewership and people wanted them left on (I think Charter Communications, the local cable company, offers both as well). My dad and stepmother have Time Warner Cable in Burlington, NC, and have two ABC stations: WTVD and WXLV. At our house in Myrtle Beach we had two NBC stations, WECT and WIS, until Myrtle Beach got its own NBC station, WMBF, so now there's only one. I've probably said this before, but sometimes I miss the days when cable brought in affiliates in more than one market; when I was at the University of Georgia in the '70s, WSB was the NBC affiliate in Atlanta and was so pre-emption happy it was good to have Ch. 4 in Greenville, SC. Two and three years ago, the cable system in St. George Island, Florida was carrying WABC from New York, in addition to ABC affiliate WMBB from Panama City, Florida. I thought that was odd. I checked their listings now, and it doesn't show WABC--instead the cable system apparently now carries Fox 5 from Atlanta. In Sanford Maine which gets cable from MetroCast Cablevision I can get ABC WCVB 5 (Boston) and WMTW 8 (Portland) CBS WBZ 4 (Boston) and WGME 13 (Portland) NBC WCSH 6 (Portland) and WHDH 7 (Boston) PBS WGBH 2 (Boston) WCBB 10 (Lewiston) and WENH 11 (Manchester) When I watch primetime shows on those networks I normally watch 4 for CBS, 5 for ABC and 6 for NBC. I don't know why I do that I just always have. Sometimes I'll watch the other affiliate if for some reason the show I want to see isn't on that channel. The MetroCast service area in Rochester New Hampshire receives for affiliates ABC WCVB 5 (Boston) and WMTW 8 (Portland) WMUR 9 (Manchester) CBS WBZ 4 (Boston) and WGME 13 (Portland) NBC WCSH 6 (Portland) and WHDH 7 (Boston) PBS WENH 11 (Manchester) and WMEA 26 (Biddeford) I wonder if there are any cable systems, on or near time zone boundaries, that carry multiple networks. It'd be interesting if you saw the Simpsons at 7pm (Mountain) then got it again from a FOX affiliate in the Pacific Time zone later on Yep, I know of a couple: on Baja Broadband and Sky View systems in St. George/Washington County, UT, you get the NBC affiliates from Las Vegas (KSNV) and Salt Lake (KSL). Eastern Nevada has a bunch: cable subs in Elko get NBC (KSL Salt Lake, KENV Reno), CBS (KUTV Salt Lake, KTVN Reno), and PBS (KNPB Reno, KUED Salt Lake); in Mesquite, NV are NBC (KSNV, KSL), ABC (KTNV Las Vegas, KTVX Salt Lake), and PBS (KLVX Las Vegas, KBYU Provo, UT).

Of course, Utah is on Mountain Time and Nevada is Pacific - so you get the Pacific feed of shows from NV two hours after you see them on Salt Lake TV. Interesting though (and sad) because at one time, most of these systems carried duplicates of every network. As is the case everywhere, they've cut way back on out of market OTA stations whether their subscribers like it or not. Knowing folks around there, I am sure that they don't. In reference to WPXT's post: Back in September of 1989, I remember (then) Continental Cablevision of Saco and Old Orchard Beach carrying: WCSH-TV (NBC) channel 6 Portland WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 Poland Spring WGME-TV (CBS) channel 13 Portland WMEA-TV (PBS) channel 26 Biddeford WPXT-TV (FOX) channel 51 Portland And for out-of-market stations... WBZ-TV (NBC) channel 4 Boston WCVB-TV (ABC) channel 5 Boston WNEV-TV (CBS) channel 7 Boston WENH-TV (PBS) channel 11 Durham, NH WSBK-TV (IND) channel 38 Boston WLVI-TV (IND) channel 56 Cambridge Just to nitpick, WENH-TV is licensed to Durham, NH. As for Sanford's choice for a local PBS affiliate, it was/is likely WMEA-TV, which is licensed to Biddeford (Sanford, like Biddeford, is in York County). Today, WENH-TV is the only New Hampshire station mentioned in the TV listings for the Portland Press Herald. When I lived in Old Orchard Beach between 1985 to 1987, I seem to remember WCBB-TV (PBS) channel 10 of Augusta (which TV Guide used to incorrectly list as Lewiston) having a different program schedule from WMEA-TV of Biddeford. I believe that's because WCBB-TV wasn't a part of MPBN until the early 1990s. Buckeye Cable in Toledo carries several Detroit channels but only in SD: WKBD (CW), WXYZ (ABC), WJBK (FOX) and WDIV (only local and syndicated shows; NBC shows are blacked out unless the Toledo affiliate doesn't carry an NBC show). We also get CBC shows on CBET-9 out of Windsor, Ont. Also, CW shows are only carried on cable in Toledo. With one exception, the Toledo channels are carried on cable channels no higher than 13, the Detroit channels are on channel 50 or higher. The one exception is low-power channel 48 which is the MyTV affiliate (on cable channel 58). Also, in addition to the Toledo PBS station, we also get Bowling Green's PBS station (only the main channel). Only the Toledo stations have their secondary digital channels carried. Of course, that's because the market's "CW affiliate" is a cable-only local station originated by Buckeye. Buckeye also operates the cable system in Erie County (Sandusky, OH), and it has none of the Detroit channels. Instead, it carries the Cleveland network affiliates (on the lower channels, mostly) and the Toledo stations (minus the MyNetwork TV LPTVer). Sandusky is in the Cleveland market. The Buckeye Sandusky system also carries, much to my pleasure, CBET/9 CBC, but none of the Detroit affiliates. Suddenlink subscribers in Lake Charles, La., get stations from three markets. Lake Charles--

KPLC, NBC KVHP, Fox Beaumont-KFDM, CBS KBMT .1, ABC KBMT .2, NBC (digital only) Lafayette-KATC, ABC KLFY, CBS Back before Cox unloaded the system, KBTV (then NBC, now Fox) was also on the lineup. Similar situation in Eastern Oregon where you can view both Portland, OR and Boise, ID. Oregon is mostly Pacific time, while Boise is mountain, so you can view the Tonight Show at 9:35 pacific, and then again at 11:35 from Portland. It's a weird alignment. Up until the last few years The Jackson and Dyersburg, TN cable systems had two affiliates from each of the big 3 networks. Charter in Jackson: CBS: WREG Memphis WTVF Nashville NBC: WMC Memphis WSMV Nashville ABC: WBBJ Jackson WPTY Memphis Cable One in Dyersburg: CBS: WREG KFVS Cape Girardeau, MO NBC: WMC WPSD Paducah, KY ABC: WPTY WBBJ In the last couple of years though that has changed. In Jackson Charter dropped WTVF and WSMV because of not renewing their contract, and WBBJ forced them to drop WPTY several years back. On the other hand I've heard that the cable system owned by the Jackson Enregy Authority still carries WTVF and WSMV. Now the only network on Charter with multiple affiliates on Charter is Fox with WHBQ in Memphis and WJKT in Jackson. I'm really surprised WJKT hasn'd forced them to drop WHBQ, but the most they've done is require WHBQ to be blacked out when Fox programs are on.

In Dyersburg Cable One dropped KFVS and WPSD supposedly because of distance problems after the digital transition, but they still have WPTY and WBBJ with ABC. I live in the Hartford/New Haven market, so I get all the locals. (WFSB, WTNH, WTIC, WTNH, WCTX, WCCT) New Haven County is, however, cosidered on the fringe of the New York City market. I know Comcast dropped most NYC channels save for WCBS, WABC, WNBC and they are only available in SD. AT&T Uverse has all major NYC channels (including WWOR, WPIX and WNYW) and they are all available in HD. I tend to watch the New York City channels as they tend to have a much better news product (especially WABC, WNBC and WCBS), so it's become a habit just to tune those in now over the local channels. No, which is interesting, because we have two NBC affiliates around here that are short-spaced and lie technically within most of each others "must carry" zones. WPXI-TV11 in Pittsburgh, and WTOV-TV9 in Steubenville, OH, are only 35 miles apart as the crow flies. WTOV used to be on some local cable systems, but was removed several years ago. No idea if WPXI is on cable in Steubenville. Both stations are owned by the same company, so I am guessing they may have worked out this arrangement and prefer things that way. I went to school at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, PA for a while. Via Service Electric, They carry multiple affliates of just about every network: 4 9 WPHL-17 My17 Philadelphia WWOR-9 My9 New York

5 WTXF-29 Fox Philadelphia 13 WNYW-5 Fox New York 6 WPVI-6 ABC Philadelphia 19 WNEP-16 ABC Scranton 10 17 11 57 WCAU-10 NBC Philadelphia WNBC-4 NBC New York WPIX-11 CW New York WPSG-57 CW Philadelphia

The Union City/Martin area had WTVF and KFVS for CBS affiliates, and WPSD and WMC for NBC affiliates back in the early '90s. Maybe they still do. When I moved here to Nashville, I pretty much kept my news-viewing loyalty to WTVF. I notice that during the weather segments, they still occasionally give temps from west Tennessee and western Kentucky areas (like Murray), probably because they are still on cable in those areas. It's worth noting that northwest Tennessee viewers have had the chance to see Charlie Neese give weather forecasts in three different TV markets now (Jackson, TN; Cape Girardeau, MO; and Nashville, TN), and at one time, they also got to see Dan Walters selling Toyotas from three different cities, all of which started with "M." (Marion, IL; Memphis, TN; and Madison, TN)

Before they passed away, my grandparents lived at Snead, AL in rural Blount county...about 50 miles NE of Birmingham, and about 55 miles SE of Huntsville. (You're forgiven if you've never heard of the town). Blount County is part of the Birmingham-Tuscaloosa-Anniston DMA, but the local cable company there carried network affiliates from both markets: BIRMINGHAM: WBRC-6 (Fox), WVTM-13 (NBC), WCFT-WJSU 33/40 (ABC) and WIAT-42 (CBS) HUNTSVILLE: WHNT-19 (CBS), WAAY-31 (ABC), WAFF-48 (NBC) and WZDX-54 (Fox). The only WB affiliate they carried was Birmingham's WTTO-21. IIRC, they didn't carry WABM-68, the UPN affiliate from Birmingham. Where I live we have 2 CBS, 2 ABC, 1 NBC, 2 FOX, 1 CW. Before we used to have 3 NBC stations as the market only had a CBS, ABC, FOX, CW so we got NBC from 3 different markets. Then when our market got a NBC station 2 of the 3 NBC stations were taken away leaving only the new local NBC and one out of market NBC. Then the local NBC talked to the cable company and got the last out of market NBC pulled and replaced with shopping channel HSN. So I don't get why we have 2 of each other major network but not NBC. When it comes to getting an out of market affiliate pulled, I wonder how much power ( if they have any power at all ) for the average person to get such a channel pulled from their cable? Sounds odd but I have met those in the past who aren't even in the business but still they are very much into those DMA rankings and treat them very very seriously. Like those who call up Direct TV or Dish Network and report their neighbors because they have acesss to New York City or LA stations when they feel that they need to be watching TV from within their own DMA. or that guy who had posted on another site that I belong too about retail, highly upset at seeing Baltimore's WJZ at a Holiday Inn in Cumberland, MD because the county was in the Washington DMA. He even went as far as "reporting" the motel to WUSA. Of course I doubt WUSA would even care much less did anything about it.. Hey...kind of reminds me of those people who contact various local radio and TV stations to report things that they have seen online that was posted about that station in hoping that somehow somewhere that their "good deed" would land them a job at a TV or at a radio station. Before our cable company shut down operations, we had three NBC's (WTOV in Steubenville, Ohio; WBOY in Clarksburg, WV; and WTAP in Parkersburg, WV). We now get five locals via Dish; the only NBC we get is WTOV. Even though I miss getting a station less than 35 miles from my location as the crow flies (WTAP), we really enjoy WTOV's news. BTW, we tried OTA, but couldn't get any signals, so I sold a virtually-new antenna and enjoy crystal-clear reception. we get 2 cbs channels here both are 75 miles away A couple of Comcast systems in Indiana have multiple networks... In Richmond, Indiana, which is in the Dayton, Ohio market, but is also close to Indianapolis and Cincinnati, has at least 2 stations from each network. The only exception My Network TV which is not carried on the system. ABC WRTV Indianapolis WKEF Dayton NBC WDTN Dayton WLWT Cincinnati WTHR Indianapolis

CBS WHIO Dayton WISH Indianapolis Fox WXIX Cincinnati (Digital only) WRGT Dayton WXIN Indianapolis The CW WTTV Indianapolis WBDT Dayton PBS WPTO Oxford, OH (tower in Cincinnati) WPTD Dayton WIPB Muncie, IN

Lafayette, IN, also a Comcast market, is in the Lafayette TV market, but since there's only one network station there, they rely on Indianapolis for the rest. CBS WLFI Lafayette WISH Indianapolis PBS WTTW Chicago WFYI Indianapolis My grandmother (R.I.P.), who lived either in or near (don't remember which) Fremont, CA, in the late 1990s (in the San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose DMA), lived in an apartment whose cable (don't remember the name of the provider) got channels from the Monterey-Salinas market to the south (NBC affiliate KSBW channel 8 is the only one I remember her getting from there) and the Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto market to the north (NBC affiliate KCRA channel 3, the only one I remember her getting from that market), in addition to the local affiliate (KRON channel 4 at the time). As I remember, nothing was Syndex'd out, so she got duplicate programming throughout the day. For example, one could switch back and forth for Jeopardy!, between local ABC O&O KGO channel 7 and Salinas' KSBW. I think that her cable may have also gotten KOVR channel 13 (CBS) from Sacramento and KION channel 46 (CBS) from Salinas, but I'm not 100% sure. Then the local NBC talked to the cable company and got the last out of market NBC pulled and replaced with shopping channel HSN. Yeah, that seems to happen a lot and it is the cable company's answer to the concept of adding a nasty insult to injury! Bad enough that you lose an alternate network affiliate, but they replace it with a shopping channel! That has happened to us too and it sucks. At least I'd feel better about it if the alternate affiliate was replaced with something good. Rarely is that the case. Ken was talking about Myrtle Beach. That market has been a wacky one. Until 2008, three NBCs could be picked up in many places in the market, WCBD, WIS, and WECT. Then, WMBF signed on and replaced them. WCBD still airs in the southern part of the market, and WIS in Georgetown, but the others are gone in the rest of the area.

Also, any syndicated program that was aired on a Myrtle station was blacked out on WIS, with color bars and white text in all capital letters saying that the show couldn't be shown. Oprah and Inside Edition were shown on WBTW and WECT (since it was significantly-viewed), but blacked out on WIS. I get two CBS affiliates. Last night that would have been a good thing had I taken advantage. See "Why I missed 'Undercover Boss' on Halloween". One county over, it's two Fox affiliates instead. Re: WMBF/WIS/WECT - all three are owned by Raycom, so they probably want people in MB watching on their new station there. WCBD is owned by Media General, a fact I determined within 5 seconds of seeing their Media General-standard graphics... Yep thats the Myrtle Beach Market. I don't see WPDE or WBTW complaing about having ABC 4 or Live 5 News both from Charleston, SC still viewable on Time Warner cable. I know HTC Cable only carries Live 5 News in Myrtle Beach. Granted I only watch the locals only one out of market I really watch is WCSC Live 5 News. Georgetown country goes with Charleston Market but also goes with Myrtle Beach Market. I know recently WBTW on Time Warner in Pawleys Island the line-up moved WBTW to channel 6 for some reason from channel 13. Never understood that but 13 I believe shows My Network Charleston. To piggyback on your comments, the Charter system serving Beloit and Janesville (Rock County, Wisconsin) have always carried the Madison (in-market) and Rockford (out-of-market, but geographically closer) network affiliates, and plus they used to offer Milwaukee's WVTV back when it was marketed as a "regional superstation". 2-WBUW (CW 57) Madison; 616 HD 3-WREX (NBC 13) Rockford 4-WTVO (ABC 17) Rockford 5-WMTV (NBC 15) Madison; 615 HD 6-WQRF (Fox 39) Rockford 7-WKOW (ABC 27) Madison; 607 HD 8-WMSN (Fox 47) Madison; 617 HD 9-WISC (CBS 3) Madison; 603 HD 10-WIFR (CBS 23) Rockford 14-WISC 3.2 (My) Madison 21 and 971-WHA (PBS 21) Madison; 600 HD 247-WMTV 15.2 (AccuWeather) 966-WKOW 27.3 (This TV) 967-WKOW 27.2 (RTV) 968-WMSN 47.2 (TheCoolTV) 972-WHA 21.2 (The Wisconsin Channel) 973-WHA 21.3 (Create/PBS Kids) In Rockford, The CW and MyNetworkTV are offered on digital subs (WREX 13.2 and WTVO 17.2 respectively), as well as AccuWeather on WIFR 23.2. Other than that, all of the full-powered Madison and Rockford all are offered via cable in that area; TBN, who has over-the-air stations serving parts of the Madison market, is carried by the Charter system (along with three of its four subchannels) but from TBN's national feed.

Oprah is on WCBD and WBTW, while WCBD was on cable channel 2 WBTW which is the local station never had WCBD blacked out at 4pm. What Competes at 2PM for CBS's The Talk I was just curious. What competes against CBS's The Talk in your market. Here's what's airing in the Hartford-New Haven Market at 2PM against The Talk. (WFSB/3 Merideth): NBC: Real Housewives (WVIT/30 NBC O&O) ABC: One Life to Live (WTNH/8 LIN Media) FOX: Swift Justice with Nancy Grace x 2 (WTIC/61 CT 1 Media d/b/a Tribune) CW: Maury (WCCT-TV/20 CT 1 Media d/b/a Tribune) My Network TV: Divorce Court/Judge Alex (WCTX/59 LIN Media) In Los Angeles "The Talk" runs at 1PM and is up against KNBC: Days of Our Lives KTAL: local news KABC: One Life to Live KCAL: People's Court KTTV: The Dr. Oz Show KCOP: I Love Lucy IMHO running against two soaps is pretty risky as they're taking the same demos. OK, time for this unemployed boy to get back to the news (sans Huey). Wink I'd rather watch I Love Lucy or The People's Court than any of the other shows. I wish I Love Lucy was on a local station here. Hallmark Channel on cable is only airing the show on the weekends. In Philadelphia, here's what's on against "The Talk" on CBS(KYW/3): NBC: Nate Berkus(WCAU/10) ABC: One Life to Live(WPVI/6) Fox: Swift Justice with Nancy Grace(2 shows)(WTXF/29) CW: The People's Court(WPSG/57: CBS-Owned) MyNetworkTV: Steve Wilkos(WPHL/17: Tribune) In Bufalo NY: ABC: One life to live NBC: Rachael Ray FOX: Judge Mathis WNLO (CW?) : Don't forget the Lyrics WNYO (MyTV?): Judge Jeanine Pirro

I'm actually on the Canadian side, giving American listings as they appear on the digital box here in Ontario, Canada. I havn't watched CW or Mytv in a while, so I honestly forget between WNLO and WNYO which is CW and Which is MyTV. (they're listed one after the other on the digital box guide) IF a network must compete head on with the talk, it looks like NBC has the right idea. Outside of that, perhaps the other choices are still smart, as it offers choice for people who do not want talk shows. Daytime is interesting right now what with Oprah coming to an end. The soaps are obviously becoming less relevant, yet the remaining shows are doing decently. Game shows are rare, yet Price is Right continues to do well. The Judge shows are over exposed IMO, but I guess there is an audience. Perhaps the next genre of daytime has yet to be revealed. I wouldn't be surprised by anything. In Milwaukee WISN-TV (ABC): One Life to Live WTMJ-TV (NBC): Days of Our Lives WITI-TV (FOX): Divorce Court/Judge Alex WCGV-TV (MNTV): Law & Order: SVU WVTV (CW): Jerry Springer WMLW (Ind.): Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? (double play) In Birmingham (1:00 Central)... WBRC-6 (Fox) America's Funniest Home Videos WVTM-13 (NBC) Days of Our Lives WTTO-21 (CW) Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? WCFT-33/40 (ABC) One Life to Live WABM-68 (MNTV) The People's Court In Pittsburgh (2PM Eastern): WTAE/4 (ABC): One Life to Live WPXI/11 (NBC): Today (4th Hour) WPCW/19 (CW): Family Feud (2pm & 2:30pm) WPMY/22 (MY): Steve Wilkos Show WPGH/53 (FOX): Judge Joe Brown (2pm & 2:30pm) Alaska (where The Talk airs at 1:00 pm): FAIRBANKS KFXF (Fox): Real Housewives of Atlanta/Everybody Hates Chris ANCHORAGE KTBY (Fox): The People's Court KYES (MNT): Steven and Chris BOTH MARKETS NBC (KTVF and KTUU respectively): Days Of Our Lives ABC (KATN and KIMO): One Life To Live PBS (KUAC and KAKM): Dinosaur Train/Cat In The Hat Knows A Lot About

In the Quad Cities (1 P.M. Central Time): KWQC: Days Of Our Lives WQAD: One Life To Live KLJB: Judge Joe Brown KGCW: Jerry Springer WBQD: The Cosby Show Providence: ABC - One Life To Live CW - America's Court with Judge Ross Fox - Divorce Court/Judge Alex MY - Dr. Phil NBC - Rachel Ray Boston ABC-WCVB: One Life to Live CW-WLVI: Wendy Williams Fox-WFXT: double shot of Divorce Court Ion-WBPX: infomercials, natch Cheesy My-WZMY: Maury NBC-WHDH: Doctors WMFP: Quincy WSBK: People's Court WWDP: home shopping Bangor/Presque Isle (I've lumped them together as PI gets their ABC and NBC from Bangor): ABC-WVII: One Life to Live CBC-CBAT NB: Best Recipes Ever/CBC comedy reruns (cable 6 PI) CBC-CBMT Mtl: Steven & Chris (cable 15 in Bgr) CW-WABI2 Bgr and WBPQ PI: Steve Wilkos Fox-WFVX (Bgr) : (1:30) Real Housewives of Atlanta/(2:30) infomercial NBC-WLBZ and PI's "Fox 8" (WAGM DT): Dr. Oz SRC-CBAFT: Pour le plaisir (cable 19 PI) TVA-CIMT: Shopping TVA and infomercials (cable 11 PI, the Valley has a large Acadian population) WBGR (Bgr): your guess is as good as mine, Zap2It only sez TBA Cheesy Portland ABC-WMTW: One Life to Live CW-WPXT: Judge Jeannine Pirro Fox-WPFO: America's Court with Judge Ross (x2) My-WPME: Family Feud and home shopping NBC-WCSH: Dr. Oz Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point: WGHP/8 (Fox) Judge Judy (2-2:30), Judge Joe Brown (2:30-3) WXII/12 (NBC) Inside Edition (2-2:30), Entertainment Tonight (2:30-3) (I assume these are reruns from the previous night.) WGPX/16 (ION) Paid programs WCWG/20 (CW) The 700 Club WXLV/45 (ABC) One Life To Live WMYV/48 (MyNet) Judge Jeanine Pirro

WLXI/61 (Ind.) Ask The Pastor Any ABC stations that don't air "One Live To Live" at 2 PM against "The Talk"? Question about NBC Daytime Did NBC's daytime lineup ever recover from the 1968 defection of "Let's Make A Deal" to ABC? No. And they're force-feeding the O&O's crap this year (WVIT Hartford, WCAU Philly, WNBC NYC, WRC DC, etc) - Access Hollywood Live (a one hour program in addition to the half hour Access Hollywood that airs in the evening) and Real Housewives (reruns of the stupid reality show from sister network Bravo). Does a fourth hour of "The Today Show" make it sound like they've quit the daytime game? I'd imagine they'd have favorable ratings with "Wheel of Fortune" and the revamped "Concentration" with Trebek... That's unfortunately one of MANY goofs/blunders/trigger-happy-moments the Peacock has suffered from in daytime. In the 70's and 80's NBC dug their own hole by letting stations get away with dropping so much of their daytime schedule and replacing it with syndicated talk shows. WMC 5 in Memphis was one of the worst. NBC should have penalized stations rather than letting them get away with it. For the longest time, WBZ/4 in Boston pawned off "Another World" to independent stations in favor of local or other syndicated programming. And as Ancil Payne, onetime head of King Broadcasting, which owned NBC affiliates KING Seattle and KGW Portland, once said, "The big screw-up was Lin Bolen." She canceled "Jeopardy!", "Concentration," and several other games which hadn't been doing that badly but looked too old-fashioned for her taste. Except for "Wheel," most of the replacements came and went fairly quickly. As for the soaps, "Days," "AW," and "The Doctors" are the only NBC soaps to have lasted more than 10 years. Contrast that to ABC, with "General Hospital" (47), "One Life To Live" (42), "All My Children" (40), "Loving" (14), and "Ryan's Hope" (just shy of 14); or to CBS, with "Guiding Light" (57 just on television), "As The World Turns" (54), "Young And The Restless" (37), "Search For Tomorrow" (35 before moving to NBC), "Love Of Life" (28), "Bold And The Beautiful" (23), "Secret Storm" (20), and "Edge Of Night" (19 before moving to ABC). No. And they're force-feeding the O&O's crap this year (WVIT Hartford, WCAU Philly, WNBC NYC, WRC DC, etc) - Access Hollywood Live (a one hour program in addition to the half hour Access Hollywood that airs in the evening) and Real Housewives (reruns of the stupid reality show from sister network Bravo). WCAU doesn't carry Access Hollywood Live. I haven't seen that show, but I agree with your point on NBC serving their O&Os crap, and not even bothering trying new things to see if something better works. I'd cut Today down to 3 hours, drop the Real Housewives reruns, and possibly the Access Hollywood Live.

In place of those 2-3 hours, here are some ideas: I'd add a new game show hour (games shows like Pyramid, Concentration, Lingo - not the reality game shows like Deal or No Deal). I know GSN is for game shows, but with cable and broadcast blending into each other, I believe its ok for broadcast stations to still air game shows. Obviously, Wheel/Jeopardy! work on broadcast. Maybe a 1 hour Judge block. This is a safe approach. While the CW/My/Fox stations have saturated their lineups with that, it might be better than a Real Housewives rerun from 2006. Maybe a live from Chicago show. NBC did experiment with "In the Loop" but the hosts were relatively unknown The Apprentice stars. Perhaps the idea would work with more known hosts, and w/ better production. And something totally out there, but maybe an Animal Planet like show, like It's Me or the Dog with Victoria Stilwell. Something on pets on broadcast TV. Note: former cable TV celebs like Rachael Ray have moved into broadcast. Another idea is 30 Rock and other NBC primetime recent reruns or a repurposed Fallon something from NBC Primetime or Night just shown during the day. NBC is already trying to be like cable, and cable does that. It was also an old concept from back in the day, to air primetime shows as reruns during the day. Given the high costs of scripted soaps, I don't see new soaps viable for NBC Daytime, and there is enough of the general variety light talk shows already. Most of those stations are already airing Nate Berkus and Ellen. As for the NBC O&O daytime line up. There is nothing to watch after the Today show and before the evening news except for Ellen. Others are crap and not worthwhile watching it. Also, did NBC Owned and Operated stations pulled their local midday newscast out? I know WNBC, KNBC, KNSD, KNTV, WCAU, WMAQ, and KXAS doesn't have a midday newscast right now. I know WNBC, KNBC, KNSD, KNTV, WCAU, WMAQ, and KXAS doesn't have a midday newscast right now. WVIT in Hartford still has their midday cast at 11AM. Until they 4th Hour of Today launched it was airing at 10AM. NBC Daytime was good in the 80's. Sale Of The Century at 10:00 AM, Classic Concentration at 10:30, Wheel Of Fortune at 11:00 and Scrabble at 11:30. That was a strong lineup and my personal favorite. Mornings were fun back then. I'd drop the 4th hour of Today and add an hour or two of game shows, but NO courtroom shows. That's the next worst garbage to the trash talk shows on daytime TV, and there is too much of it already. But after NBC stations having more local time than CBS or ABC stations for so long, they'd probably fight any attempt by NBC to take any of that time back. But then like I've said before It's NBC's own fault for letting local stations get away with dropping so much of their daytime lineup in the 70's and 80's instead of putting pressure on them to keep the network lineup on. What I find amazing is that NBC pretty much gave up their morning lineup in the 90's and gave back that time to local affiliates. The amazing part is that NBC actually figured out a way to capture back that time! Nice job on their part. It's the best trick they've pulled off in the past 10 years. Seems to me NBC affiliates should just go dark between the hours of 12 noon and 4 pm. Most don't run a noon newscast any more, and a lot of them have started news at 4. If they have no programming worth airing, why not save the money? Or, better yet, run infographics or weather

during that time (like a .2). Game shows might be good for an immediate miniscule ratings bump, but they don't have staying power anymore (with the possible exceptions of Jeopardy!, Wheel, and Viera's Millionaire). Bringing back older concepts wouldn't work in the long run (I'm talking Concentration or Password, as examples), and NBC affiliates would still have the issue of filling the broadcast day with stuff people would want to watch. Add to that the fact that the daytime audience is no longer made up of housewives (not exclusively, anyway) and it would make more sense for them to just shut off the transmitter during the day. And I'd kill the fourth hour of Today. Frankly, I think Dave Garroway is spinning in his grave. Even J. Fred Muggs would be better than KLG and Hoda. (My opinion - YMMV.) WSMV-channel 4 here in Nashville was airing Better Nashville twice a day. Not sure if they still are, but I haven't heard of any changes. It now airs at 10:00 a.m. and at 1:00 p.m. The earlier airing took the place of 700 Club, which went over to Fox channel 17. The 700 Club spots that channel 4 used to run absolutely annoyed me to death! I had to find the remote and hit the mute button every time it aired! Angry (By the way, channel 4 is the only station here still carrying a local noon newscast, although much of it seems to be rehash from the morning's (and Today show's) news.) I still miss Later Today. Maybe they should bring that back. Meanwhile, WTVF-channel 5 (CBS) was carrying Price is Right twice a day until The Talk started this week! Roll Eyes Actually that was at the network level, not the local level. As the World Turns ended it's run on Friday September 17th. The network ran a second episode of Price is Right at 2PM Eastern for the week of September 20th-September 24th. Then the week of September 27th-October 1st they ran a second episode of Let's Make a Deal. Then for 2 weeks October 4th-October 8th and October 11th-October 15th they aired a second episode of Price is Right again. I remember back in the early 90's. 10A-12N Game Shows, 1P-4P NBC Soaps (Another World, Days of Our Lives, and Santa Barbara), right now. 9-11A (2 Hours of Additional Today) 1-2P Days of Our Lives. Enough said about NBC Daytime. They should kept an extra 2 HOURS instead of giving the time slot back to the affiliates. NBC stations especially the O&O are hurting because they don't have any quality program to fill the time period. Meanwhile, WTVF-channel 5 (CBS) was carrying Price is Right twice a day until The Talk started this week! Roll Eyes Actually that was at the network level, not the local level. As the World Turns ended it's run on Friday September 17th. The network ran a second episode of Price is Right at 2PM Eastern for the week of September 20th-September 24th. Then the week of September 27th-October 1st they ran a second episode of Let's Make a Deal. Then for 2 weeks October 4th-October 8th and October 11th-October 15th they aired a second episode of Price is Right again. I wish CBS would put The Talk directly head-to-head against The View. It would be interesting to see who would win. But then again, The Price is Right has been in that 10:00 a.m. timeslot ever since they went to an hour-long show, close to 40 years ago now, so I don't look for that to change any time soon. Smarter move for CBS not to go head to head. There's room, often, for multiple shows in a speciality genre airing at different times, but it gets crowded head to head. CBS benefits by getting those who either prefer their take on the "women's chat" show and those who like both, as there's no reason to believe it has to be "either/or." They get counter-programming opportunities in both slots, not a bad scenario. Which is one of the most fundamental rules of programming: don't invade another network's territory (in this case, ABC at

11 AM) with a copy of something that already works. Besides, I see no good reason for CBS to move "Price Is Right"(can you name a CBS affiliate whose noon news isn't number one, even if, in the Central Time Zone, "Y&R" is on before the news?). If CBS's affiliates want to pair "Price" and "Let's Make A Deal" let them move "Deal" to 10, where I hear it isn't doing that badly. And at the very least "The Talk"/"Let's Make A Deal" (3 PM) combo is a counter to soaps on ABC. A CBS without the number one news at noon? How about KYW, which was so much of an also-ran that they turned it into a magazine-style show. I need to make a correction. "Search For Tomorrow" lasted 31 years on CBS, four on NBC. As for gregg73's comment, I know of a few CBS stations that don't do a midday news, including at least one o&o: KTVT (WIAT Birmingham and WHP Harrisburg are a couple more affiliates that don't). My point is that most, obviously not all, CBS affiliates are number one at noon, regardless of whether "Price" or "Y&R" is the lead-in. For instance, I would doubt that WGCL beats WSB in Atlanta, even with "Price" on WGCL and "The View" on WSB. The whole point is that there is absolutely no incentive to move "Price" out of the 11/10 slot; it's an alternative to "The View," it helps most of CBS's affiliates, and--likewise--"The Talk" is an alternative to "One Life To Live" at 2/1 Local Station Bugs on Fox Network Programming I was watching Cops on WFXT Boston (which I receive on Bell TV satellite, as well as KCPQ Seattle) on the weekend and noticed that after Fox faded out their promo bugs, WFXT put their own bug where the Fox bug would normally be in the lower right and kept it on until the commercial break. Are other Fox stations doing this during network programming, or is this just being done on the O&Os? KSAZ has it...I think even when Cox center-cut their HD signal for cable that the bug was outside the SD area. That's actually a feature of the Fox splicer. The network controls that logo. - Trip During Animation Domination FOX-CT has their FOX CT HD logo on the screen. No sign of the regular FOX logo. Keep in mind I'm watching on COMCAST Channel 6, not their HD-Feed on Channel 234. With WTIC-DT, the "FOX-CT HD" bug will remain in the lower right corner, whether I'm watching WTIC-DT over the air on 31-1 (a.k.a. 61) or on channel 45-1, via my TV's digital QAM tuner (Comcast in New Britain, CT with no converter) The local FOX places their logo in the right bottom corner for HD. And the HD feed is what is also shown on regular cable. Is this happening everywhere where the FOX HD feed is on the regular cable channel. So on the old tube tvs you see the black bars for example.

During Animation Domination FOX-CT has their FOX CT HD logo on the screen. No sign of the regular FOX logo. Same with WNYW/New York, at least during "Family Guy" in prime time. Here in the Quad Cities, a miniturized version of KLJB's logo appears on the lower right corner of the screen. I think Fox did away with the network logo--with the exception of Fox News Sunday. Now it's more like My Network TV in that sense. Personally, I kinda wish the other networks would follow suit.... FOX 11 in Los Angeles does this. I know because I have an old CRT and the picture width varies with the brightness of the picture. Sometimes I can see the 11, sometimes it's cropped. Smiley KTVU Fox 2 in San Francisco's bug is so small, you can barely see it he local FOX places their logo in the right bottom corner for HD. And the HD feed is what is also shown on regular cable. Is this happening everywhere where the FOX HD feed is on the regular cable channel. So on the old tube tvs you see the black bars for example. Because Fox Sports now crops its graphics to a 16:9 area (no SD safe area here), yes. Cox was a couple months late but they too switched over. Yeah, they are doing everywhere because I saw the "FOX 6" insignia on air during programming in Birmingham. As well as the "FOX 5" one in Atlanta as well. It's interesting to see the station logo on air instead of a network. KRIV 26 in Houston has been airing the local Fox 26 local during programming as well... they did it during the Tuesday night line up last night ATWT Day Behind KUTV Salt Lake City apparently airs ATWT a day behind, as it's on at 11 AM MT and the show does not come down the bird until 12 PM MT (2 PM ET). IIRC, they even did this when they were a CBS O&O. So the big Q is...when will they run Friday's finale? I've checked zap2it.com for SLC from Friday morning through late night the following Monday and the only ATWT listed is the day behind episode at 11 AM Friday. (Unless somehow they get a special feed of the show at or before 11 AM MT weekdays and it's actually not a one-day delay. Any KUTVers here who can give us the scoop--on both the delay and the final episode?) Let's see, KUTV runs a 23-hour old "ATWT"... Well, given it's a "special" day for the show, why not just run both of the final two episodes back-to-back? Then, the show that would have aired at Noon MT on Friday can air in ATWT's "new old" slot on Monday. Great, unless KUTV is carrying local news at noon. They're not about to pre-empt that. I don't see why KUTV couldn't follow the lead of KCNC Denver and carry the Central Time version of CBS daytime: 10 AM Price Is Right

11 AM Young And The Restless 12 N (local, news in Denver) 12:30 Bold And The Beautiful 1 PM whatever they're going to call that talk show 2 PM Let's Make A Deal Great, unless KUTV is carrying local news at noon. They're not about to pre-empt that. KUTV does a one hour newscast 12-1 PM MT. Currently they air: 9 TPIR/10 Y&R/11 ATWT (day behind)/12 newscast/1 LMAD/2 B&B/ 2:30-5 syndication Next week scheduled as: 9 TPIR/10 Y&R/11 LMAD/12 newscast/1 (TBA)/1:30 B&B/ 2 TPIR (bonus ep.)/3-5 syndication Does anyone have a list of all CBS affiliates that air TPIR at 9am? I thought it was limited to just KPHO and one of the affiliates in Montana...didn't realize KUTV was doing the same. EDIT: TitanTV.com is listing KUTV's schedule for next week as follows: 9a TPIR (new) 10a Y&R 11a TPIR (repeat) 12p News 1p LMAD 2p B&B 2:30p Inside Edition TitanTV.com lists the same episode description for KPHO and KUTV's Friday airing of ATWT: New, 9/17/2010, Drama, Soap Opera It's an ordinary day at the office for Bob; all the residents of Oakdale make big decisions. US Open tennins men's final to be played today at 4 PM ET on CBS I wonder will all the CBS stations air this live? Probably not. Many will dump it to a subchannel or drop it completely. I think in Hartford it's either gonna be on Channel 3.3 - Eyewitness News Now or Channel 3 is gonna "borrow" MY TV 59 from rival WTNH "NEWS 8" the ABC affiliate. There have been numerous times in the past where Channel 3 has "borrowed" channel 59. I just don't think WFSB is gonna give up The Season Premiere of the Final Season of Oprah. I think in Hartford it's either gonna be on Channel 3.3 - Eyewitness News Now or Channel 3 is gonna "borrow" MY TV 59 from rival WTNH "NEWS 8" the ABC affiliate. There have been numerous times in the past where Channel 3 has "borrowed" channel 59. I just don't think WFSB is gonna give up The Season Premiere of the Final Season of Oprah. Channel 3 just posted on it's Facebook Page the tennis game will be airing on "Eyewitness News Now". That's would be Channel 3.3

According to their websites, KMOV-St. Louis, KHQA-Hannibal/Quincy, and KHOU-Houston will air the tennis match live on their main channels. KMOV will delay "Dr. Phil" and "The Young and the Restless" (which normally airs at 4 on KMOV) to late night tonight. KHQA will air "Dr. Oz" and "Oprah" at their regular times on its ABC subchannel, and "Oprah" will air again tonight at 12:35AM on the main channel. KHOU will air the season premiere of "Oprah" tonight at 8, pre-empting CBS programming for that hour. CBS O&O WCCO-Minneapolis will air "Oprah" at 2 prior to the tennis match, pre-empting "Let's Make a Deal," and the season premiere of "Dr. Phil" will be pre-empted. "Oprah" will be repeated tonight at 12:35. KYW-TV will air the men's final according to this link: http://cbs3.com/programming Program notes from CBS 3 schedule page: Dr. Phil will air at 3 PM today, Eyewitness News at 6:30 PM, Katie Couric at 7, and ET at 7:30 PM. In Milwaukee, there seems to be some confusion about whether or not WDJT or it's sister station WMLW will carry the match. Our on screen guide shows it airing on WDJT but a promo during Y&R today is saying it'll be on WMLW. Our CBS affiliate is moving the match to their duopoly station (MyNetworkTV). Can't interrupt the news on the Chiefs game day! KOLR-Springfield, Mo. is airing tennis. KRCG-Jefferson City, Mo. is airing its regular syndicated line-up. Neither station operates a subchannel. I wonder will all the CBS stations air this live? I saw a crawl saying something about the main channel and, apparently, one of the digital channels. I didn't really read it all but I guess I'll find out tonight. I have to tape the CBS comedies and it's just simpler to do it with the digital channel. Why is tennis airing today? All my online guides don't have it listed, but when I tune into WHBF-TV, I see that a tennis match is on instead of Judge Judy.... The match was rained out yesterday. It's airing as I speak on KIRO here, which brings up another point. Whenever a kid show (especially those sporting the E/I wart) gets bumped around, you get these on-screen advisories - most times for "this week" and "next week". So, why on earth hasn't KIRO done the same for a suddenlybumped "As The World Turns" - which is in its final week. At least, something steering them to CBS' website seems appropriate to me. If you have to do this stuff for one genre, you should do it for all. usopen twitter page Nadal vs Djokovic men's final has been suspended due to imclement weather. When play resumes, watch LIVE coverage on www.usopen.org and ESPN2!!! So CBS has washed its hands of the tennis match? my guess is yes, they just mentioned the match (no ESPN2 reference) on monday night footbal.....with MNF delayed and ESPN promoting the second half of the MNF doubleheader starting on ESPN2, one wonders what ESPN does if tennis runs over past 10 ET, maybe monday night football on ESPN Classic? If Tennis runs past 10:15pm ET, it moves over to ESPN Classic. (They are crowning the champion

right now, 10:08pm ET.) The 2nd MNF game will begin on ESPN2 and move over to ESPN once the first MNF game ends. So weird to see the CBS Sports logo/graphics on ESPN2... They couldn't farm out the end of the tennis match on the CBS College Sports Network? They could, but not everyone gets that channel, unlike ESPN2 and ESPN Classic, which are eveywhere. Agreed that ESPN2 has a significant distribution, but I'm not so sure about ESPN Classic. On the Cox systems in Phoenix and Tucson, for example, it's on a digital Sports tier, which has a limited number of subscribers compared to the total subscriber count. ESPN 2 is the tennis channel according to ESPN so makes sense. As most of ESPN's own coverage of tennis is shown on ESPN2. Also during one golf match ESPN broadcasted the CBS coverage due to rain, I forget when this was. "Wheel" And "Jeopardy!" Leaving ABC Station For CW Affiliate? Washington-area media news website DCRTV.com is reporting that the popular prime-access game show tandem of "Wheel Of Fortune" and "Jeopardy!" are leaving longtime Baltimore affiliate WMAR/2 for both the local Fox affiliate (WBFF/45) and the local CW station (WNUV/54). However, I am a bit skeptical because the source is something called "Baltimore Media Blog", which is but a Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Baltimore-Media-Blog/187576398289 The story DCRTV has from the Baltimore Media Blog states the changes isn't happening until 2012. But if you recall a few years ago in Boston CBS moved the show from CBS 4 WBZ over to sister station TV 38 WSBK. They have since moved it back over to CBS 4. Wheel and Jeopardy! aired on WNEV/WHDH until 2001 when they moved to WSBK. They only moved to WBZ in October 2009. Meanwhile, both WBFF and WNUV are sister stations (both owned by Sinclair), whereas WMAR is run by Scripps. I wonder if it's a case of Sinclair wanting the shows more, or Scripps wanting them less. In the case of the latter, are there any other Scripps stations carrying the shows that might lose out on them in the future? And both shows on both WBFF and WNUV? How's that going to work? Will one station air "Wheel" and the other carry "Jeopardy"? WMAR/2 is a weak ABC affiliate, so it's not a surprise the station (or station ownership) will forgo expensive syndicated programming. I hope weak doesn't refer to their transmitter. WMAR RF-38 runs a megawatt and is easily received in Dover, DE (56 miles away) on the ground floor with an indoor aerial. If by not being a good ABC affiliate you are absolutely correct. I can't count the times they've shown local programming in lieu of ABC shows. I'm sure Baltimore residents felt lucky if they could get ABC from DC. BTW I lived in Dover from 2003 till last July and remember when WJZ had megawatt 38. Always receivable in Delaware.

Will KNXV/15 lose Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune too? I call them the barren desert of Phoenix TV news. In Nashville, Jeopardy! is on Sinclair-owned WUXP-30 (MNTV) while "Wheel" airs on the ABC affiliate, WKRN-2. But WKRN has only had "Wheel" since about 2001, prior to that WZTV, the market's Fox station, aired both programs against the other's 6pm newscasts (hour-long on both WSMV and WTVF and half-hour on WKRN followed by "Entertainment Tonight"). A few years back "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" moved from WXIA (NBC) to WATL (MyNet) in Atlanta; the advantage is that the two shows are again back-to-back (7-8 PM), whereas 11 Alive had moved "Jeopardy!" to 4:30 when it started its 7 PM local news. And lest we forget, the two game shows moved from WWL (CBS) to WVUE (Fox) in New Orleans; I can think of only one other Fox station that carries them: WALA Mobile, AL. Also WLUK in Green Bay; all three Fox examples got the shows under Emmis ownership before they sold out WALA and WLUK to LIN in 2005, then WVUE in 2009 post-Katrina. I can think of only one other Fox station that carries them: WALA Mobile, AL. If I recall correctly, I believe WALA is also one of (if not the) only Fox station that carries Oprah. WALA-TV had "Wheel of Fortune", "Jeopardy!", and "The Oprah Winfrey Show" when it was an NBC station before it switched network affiliations with WPMI-TV, a FOX station, on December 31st, 1995. WKRG-TV in Mobile used to have both "Jeopardy!" and "Wheel of Fortune". Another station moving "Let's Make A Deal" to 10 AM Just got back from Myrtle Beach; while I was down there I saw that WBTW/13 is moving "Let's Make A Deal" to 10 AM effective Sept. 7. With Julie Chen's show at 2, I still think there'll be more CBS affiliates moving "LMAD" to 10 and substituting a syndicated talk show at 3. Let me know if your CBS affiliate is moving "LMAD" from afternoon to morning (not if it hasn't already done so), particularly if Media General owns the station, as it does WBTW. WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford moved Let's Make A Deal to 10 AM a couple of months ago and swapped it with Better Connecticut, with the local segments produced by anchor Kara Sundlun (-House) and weatherman (barely) Scot Haney. With Julie Chen's show at 2, I still think there'll be more CBS affiliates moving "LMAD" to 10 and substituting a syndicated talk show at 3... Certainly, it would be a better lead-in for a syndicated talk show than "LMAD"... And please, don't call it "Julie Chen's show" - especially when she could possibly be the weakest link of all the hosts on that program. Call the show what it truly is: "The View Wanna-be." WTKR/3 Norfolk, VA is moving "LMAD" to 9 AM, setting up a block with "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" from 10 to 11, and "TPIR" from 11 to 12.

Although WTKR and WBTW are not sister stations, both will be running Ellen at 3. WCBS-TV NYC has been running Let's Make A Deal at 10am since it debuted. I thought that's the time CBS planned for it, since it's back-to-back with Price Is Right. But I guess that's not true. The soap it replaced, Guiding Light, was also a 3pm show that some affiliates and even O&Os in the East ran at 10am, so they could put a syndicated show on at 3pm. They can't do that in the West since Price Is Right airs at 10am in the Pacific Time Zone. In NYC, WCBS-TV runs Dr. Phil at 3. Since Oprah/Harpo produces his show, it can't run at the same time as Oprah on WABC-TV at 4pm. So WCBS-TV runs Phil at 3, Judge Judy at 4. By the way, I find it interesting that the CBS station in Norfolk is running LMAD at 9am, with a double run of Millionaire at 10am. (Full disclosure... I won $16,000 on Millionaire a few years ago.) I wonder where the second half hour of Millionaire comes from for markets that run the show twice a day? Do they run last year's shows? Do they advance-run shows that most markets will see later this season? The taping schedule for Millionaire is very intense from September to December. I think Merideth does four or five shows every weekday afternoon in the fall but then most of the season is in the can before Jan. 1. Because of her Today Show duties, she's one of the few game show hosts who has a sub several weeks a year. Gregg nh153@mail.com WBNS 10TV in Columbus has aired the game at 10 a.m. from day one and moved "Dr. Phil" to 3 p.m. WOIO CBS19 in Cleveland moved the show to 10 a.m. late last year and put "Judge Mathis" in the 3 p.m. slot. Theoretically, CBS's West Coast affiliates could have run "GL" at 9 AM (PT) but except for KOVR Sacramento's pre-emption of "GL," I don't know of any West Coast stations that carried it in the morning (in fact, the only station outside the Eastern time zone that carried it in the morning was WBBM Chicago). KOVR and KCBS do run "LMAD" at 9 AM; KCBS put Rachael Ray at 2 after "GL" was canceled; I don't know what KOVR carries at 2. According to TitanTV on its website, KOVR has "The Doctors" at 2 pm. The Drs. and Dr. Phil are on from 2-4 PM leading to CBS 13's 4 PM News and another thing to point out, KOVR since 1995 has aired their prime programs in the CT/MT time zones (7-10 PM). That's because their hour long 10 PM news is #1 among viewers and it avoid competition from Mr. Big shot KCRA(p) which "Where The News Comes First" slogan is making their ego's look whacked out since Hearst is making their station overrated. BTW, the only other stations besides KOVR and KCBS to air LMAD at 9 AM is KOIN/KBNZ in Portland/Bend Oregon. (Albeit the latter is a semi-satellite of KOIN, they carry almost the same programs except they have to syndex-out the programs when it conflicts with KOHD, KTVZ, KFXO or KTVZ-DT2. Are There Any Rules Regarding Numbering Of Subchannels? For instance, I noticed WCIU in Chicago has

26.1 Main 26.2 Me-TV 26.3 Me-Too 26.4 This TV 26.6 FBT What happened to 26.5? I noticed WJYS has 62.1 62.2 and 62.4 So I was wondering is there a technical reason why they skip? Or does each station choose how to number their subchannels. I know for awhile WCIU was (somewhat) comically showing 26.5 as a still that said "That TV." No program just a still with those words on it. The only thing the FCC really regulates is the actual virtual channel number (aka 26 in that case), although in some cases (say those stations that used to be in the 50's and 60's in the analog age), they might use their lower-numbered actual digital channel instead to identify for prestige purposes and get it by the FCC without a problem. If a station on channel 4 wanted to use the number 4.88 for a subchannel, there is really nothing stopping them besides viewer aggravation. Usually the reason for skipping a numeral in the channel map is the possibility of a future service or affiliation or for channel feeds used sparingly (such as emergency radar display or in the past, NCAA multicasting). In fact WCIU's sister operation in Milwaukee WBME has most of their digital space set aside for test patterns on 49.2, 49.3 and then 49.5 and 49.6, while a low-power Telemundo station rebroadcasts on 49.4, just to have them mapped in the hope they'll carry a service one day. In another twist, stations don't even always put their "main" signal on Channel x.1. WAGM/8 in Presque Isle, Maine was a CBS affiliate in analog. In digital, its main CBS signal is on Channel 8.2, and they added a FOX subchannel on Channel 8.1. Is WAGM the only station that did this? For the longest time, WHYY in Philadelphia had different programming on 12.1 than they did on 12 analog. A SD simulcast of analog 12 was on 12.2. Of course, this was pre-transition and also when they were moving from 55 to 50 to 12 at low-power, then medium power directional, then medium power omni, and so they may not have cared that much about it. And Comcast carried both, 12 analog on 12 and 12-1 digital on 240. The only time that the 2 stations showed the same programming was during prime time when PBS was showing a show in HD. Never could get WHYY-DT over the air when they were on channel 50. his was not uncommon. Until just a couple of years ago (I want to say 2008, but it may have been 2007), there was a separate PBS HD schedule, since most of the PBS daytime national programming (and even a lot of primetime) was produced only in SD. I remember when the PBS HD schedule launched - we're talking 2001 or so now - there was so little HD programming available that it was a repeating loop of just a handful of shows. There were a lot of "Over New England" episodes, a few nature documentaries and not much else. But early on, it was often as not the ONLY HD programming available in a lot of areas, especially during the day, and so it drew a healthy audience of first adopters showing off their $7,000 TVs and video stores trying to demonstrate their $7,000 TVs. In Rochester, we had PBS HD on 21.1 and the simulcast of analog 21 on 21.4; that finally went away in early 2009, and now it's just PBS main (in HD) on 21.1, plus World and Create on .2 and . 3.

WGBC in Meridian MS also did this. Former NBC analog programming is now on 30-2 and Fox was added as 30-1. - Trip As for your question, Mark, there's no technical reason. In the case of WCIU, I imagine they are waiting for encoder technology to improve and then they'll come up with another service for 26-5. - Trip My guess as to what happened to 26.5 and 62.3 is that they put their PSIP data on those channels. WDAF-TV in Kansas City, for example, has that data on 34.3. It seems like the .3 is the most common place to stash the PSIP data. As for the rules to numbering subchannels, I've been told you have to have a .1, but you can number the others pretty much any way you want. However, I am aware of at least one station that, for awhile anyway, operated at 31.31. In Bakersfield KBAK CBS 29 has their sister station KBFX FOX 58 on the same channel (33) so they put KBAK on 29.1 and KBFX on 58.2 which is really 29.2. When KBFX was analog it was a low power station on channel 58 on a much lower Transmitter site (4,000 ft), so thats why they combined it the be a full power station at 7,500 ft. the only thing KBFX is not in HD its a 480i station but runs in full 16:9 size(not stretched). KVPT 18 (PBS) in Fresno did that as well, they ran the HD feed on 18.2 and what was going out on Analog was on 18.1, now after the transition the HD is on 18.1. On my Magnovox converter, WNET's main programming comes in on Channel 13.3. 13.1 is PBS Kids, 13.2 is V-Me (PBS in Spanish). I've been told, though, that could be a quirk in my converter... and that most viewers in the NYC area get WNET's main programming on 13.1. Gregg nh153@mail.com Sometimes the virtual channel numbers have underlying virtual channels of their own which are mainly used for internal structuring of bandwidth, but sometimes they flash onto your converter or set. For instance if you were to tune into WCGV in Milwaukee, the actual channel tunes to 24.3 at first, then does another (usually imperceptible) remap to the actual channel 24.1. KAXT-LD in San Jose,CA has 20 Subchannels, here is a list of them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CA Virtual channel 1? I thought 0, 1, 37, and anything higher than 69 were no-nos per the FCC? Didn't the Weigel stations in Chicago (WCIU) and Milwaukee (WDJT) get nailed for using Channel 1.x a few years ago? No its virtual channel is 22,remember it is Wikipedia There are no rules for the minor channel number. (beyond the size of the integer field used to transmit it. I don't think you could have channel 31.23467852, because there aren't enough bits in the field to hold 23,467,852.) It's normal practice to have your "most important" program on .1, but there's nothing, either technical or FCC-wise, requiring it. There are rules for the *major* channel number. Generally, if the station once had an analog

signal, the major channel number must be the old analog channel number. If it never had an analog signal, the major channel number must be the RF channel number. There are exceptions to both sides of the rule. As for "stashing" PSIP data on .3... The channel number is transmitted in the PSIP data. There's only one major/minor channel pair; PSIP data, audio, and video are all transmitted on the same channel. However, if there *is no* PSIP data, many receivers will receive the station on .3. There's a reason for that: Each audio/video/PSIP set has a "program number". This number is supposed to be invisible to the viewer. Your TV should use the PSIP data to remap this program number to a minor channel number. It should use other parts of the PSIP data to remap the RF channel to a virtual major channel number. If this PSIP data is missing... Many TVs will "fake it". They'll use the RF channel as the major channel number and the program number as the minor channel number. For example, the station I work for has NBC on virtual channel 4.1 and Telemundo on virtual channel 4.2. We're RF channel 10. The "program number" for NBC is 3, and for Telemundo 4. On many TVs, if you're within range of our station and you punch in channel 10-3, your TV will find our NBC program. Since our PSIP is working.. your TV will also pick up the virtual channel info, will see that we want you to think we're channel 4-1, and will change your display to 4-1. If our PSIP *wasn't* working... your TV wouldn't pick up any virtual channel info. And we'd continue to appear to be channel 10-3; your TV would never switch to 4-1. One of our competitors, their major virtual channel and their RF channel are the same. Because their PSIP works, they come up as channels 8-1 and 8-2. If their PSIP *didn't* work, they'd come up as 8-3 and 8-4. Doesn't mean that they're transmitting PSIP data on 8-3, it just means they're on RF channel 8; they're transmitting no PSIP at all (at least not the TVCT); and their "program number" is 3. -----------------------Why they start with program number 3 I don't know. But we were *strongly* suggested to start from 3. Down here in Pensacola, W19CO is broadcasting HSN on virtual channel 1.1. KAXT-CD is the only station in the US with permission from the FCC to map to channel 1. The tangled mess that is channel assignments in that area led to it. The analog was on 22, but KRCB had that. The digital was on 42, but KTNC had that. So they asked the FCC for permission to use channel 1 and they said it solved the problem and approved it. W19CO should not be mapping to 1-1, and if it is, is doing so illegally. They should be 19-1. - Trip I wonder why channel 37 can't be used for mapping it's not like the actual channel is being used. I'm sure 37 can be used, but KAXT requested 1 from the FCC, not 37. - Trip It does kinda beg the question, why didn't the FCC tell KAXT to use the existing mechanism to

assign something between 70-99? (I know why KAXT wanted something significantly lower than 70, and why they didn't ask for, say, channel 10 - or something else "more normal"..) It may not be a problem for W19CO-D to operate on 1-1, but without specific FCC permission, the ATSC standard says they need to be on 19-1. As for 70-99, the PSIP standard says: "Values for major_channel_number from 70 to 99 may be used to identify groups of digital services carried in an ATSC multiplex that the licensee wishes to be identified by a different major channel number. Values 70 through 99 must be unique in each potential receiving location or the receiver will not be able to correctly select such services. For example, a local licensee transmitting community college lectures in its bit stream may want to use a major_channel_number different than its own major_channel_number for the virtual channel carrying the lectures. The assessment of the feasibility of using this capability, as well as the coordination process for assignment of these major_channel_number values is beyond the scope of this document." So I'm not sure that applies to KAXT either. - Trip Absolutely. I wasn't clear on that -- what I meant was, that from a strictly *engineering* standpoint there is no problem with W19CO-D being on 1-1. It wouldn't break anything. At least not until somebody else in Pensacola decided it was OK for *them* to use 1-1 as well. As for 70-99, the PSIP standard says: "Values for major_channel_number from 70 to 99 may be used to identify groups of digital services carried in an ATSC multiplex that the licensee wishes to be identified by a different major channel number. Values 70 through 99 must be unique in each potential receiving location or the receiver will not be able to correctly select such services. For example, a local licensee transmitting community college lectures in its bit stream may want to use a major_channel_number different than its own major_channel_number for the virtual channel carrying the lectures. The assessment of the feasibility of using this capability, as well as the coordination process for assignment of these major_channel_number values is beyond the scope of this document." So I'm not sure that applies to KAXT either. [/quote] I am of course having great difficulty locating it at this point but..... I have seen a document indicating the registration of certain major channel numbers in the 70-99 range by certain broadcasters. I recall USDTV being one of them. (this is the firm that tried & failed to compete with cable by using conditional access on "subchannels" of Salt Lake City DTV stations) Tribune was another. I don't recall whether they were registered with the FCC, the ATSC, or some other organization... You're right, it's not directly applicable to KAXT's case. I guess the FCC must not have a problem with W19CO broadcasting on channel 1.1. We know they are paying attention to the Mobile market because they recently made WDPM move from virtual channel 4 to virtual 31. They had a good reason for the WDPM situation though, we have WWL-TV and WTVY-TV, both with virtual channel 4, about 150 miles away with signals that

overlap with WDPM. The closest virtual 31 would probably be Albany (Doerun), Georgia, about 225 miles (or two markets) away. Since we're on the topic, how did WPAN wind up on virtual channel 40? I liked it better when the major networks were grouped together on channels 3, 5, 10, and 15, with all the religious and indie channels on higher numbers that were easy to ignore. WPAN wasn't transmitting any PSIP last time I checked, so they're not really on "virtual" channel 40. They're on real channel 40 and without PSIP, it's not remapping anywhere. The FCC's not so much "paying attention" to Mobile so much as WDPM asked for 4 (then 6) and the FCC said no to both requests. Thus, WDPM is now 31-1. I have to think that if W19CO-D was to ask the FCC, they'd get a letter about the necessity of mapping to 19-1. By the way, when did W19CO-D change their mapping? I have TSReader data from mid-April showing them as 19-1. - Trip I rescanned a few weeks back and got W19CO-D for the first time. That might have been the first time I've rescanned in Pensacola this year. I think they were still on in analog before. I suppose it could be a bug in my tuner putting it on 1.1, but I don't have any idea how to view the "header" data on the TV streams. Other Pensacola TV notes: WBQP-LP had ceased broadcasting digitally on channel 7 but is now back to their old analog signal on channel 12. WCTU (46) is now running 4 sub channels, but they have the same christian programming on .1 and .2 and test patterns on .3 and .4, they must be getting ready to roll out some more channels. Me-tv 26.2 runs old sitcoms and for awhile had the tagline, "Me-tv is Comedy." They also run infomercials on weekend mornings. Now, are the infomercials supposed to be funny? One Saturday about a week ago they showed the same infomercial on 26.1, .2 & .3 at the same time! There's nothing funny about that. That's just sad. I suppose it could be if the FCC gave their assent. Really the challenge is to ensure virtual channels are unique within a service area. It's not a big deal if W19CO uses virtual channel 1-1. It is a somewhat bigger deal if both W19CO and WEAR choose to use 1-1 -- if more than one station in the same service area choose to use the same virtual channel. Which one comes up first? Who gets to be first on the dial? I think the Commission didn't want to get stuck with the job of arbitrating virtual channel disputes. They wanted an effective and objective means of assigning virtual channels; the ATSC gave them a scheme that has worked very well; and they're prepared to handle the rare case where it doesn't. There is, by the way, a mechanism for assigning major virtual channels 70-99. It's seen very little use. When You Know It's Time To Update Your E/I Programming This morning at the local fitness establishment (i.e. "the gym"), one of the televisions was tuned to the local Fox station. At this particular time, they were running their E/I programming. The program they were airing at the time (to which I was a "hostage viewer") was "Teen Kids News." The

episode that was shown included a segment which was called "Countdown To Vancouver 2010". Yes, this program was most likely produced sometime in 2009, if not 2010. I'm not sure exactly when in 2009 it was put together, but maybe this next item might narrow it down: A PSA during one of the show's breaks promoting World Autism Awareness Day - April 2, 2009. That's right, not even the last Autism Awareness Day that most recently passed us in 2010, but the previous one. Things like this show just how careless some stations may be when it comes to carrying E/I programming. If the government regulates stations carry this programming, they should obligate a "freshness date" on the content that is being carried to satisfy this fulfillment. Otherwise, the most common thing many children will take away from this programming that is "educational" and "instructional" is what kind of buffoons run the station. well they are just fulfilling there e/I tie anyhow and they know kids forget things easily why does pbs seem to run the same episodes over and over of sesame place?? Its kind of funny how cheap many of the E/I shows on local channels look. Now nobody tries to get kids to watch on Saturday Mornings. They just don't care about the shows anymore because the kids are all watching Nick or Disney anyway Was "Teen Kids News" normally produced in conjunction with a local school district? Maybe they're showing "best of" episodes during the Summer. That being said, the station could have found something that is more timely and less dated (better yet, with no date). If the station was showing nothing but repeats since LAST summer -- that is definite laziness. the E/I programming is horrible. they keep running the same shows over and over. ABC has a handfull of hannah Montanna and Suite Life shows, but they never add any newer ones. Even as an adult, I would sleep late on saturday and drink my morning coffee and watch Bugs Bunny or some other FUNNY cartoon. Now there is just nothing on saturday worth watching. When I was a kid, before E/I they had a disclaimer that said "recomended by the National Education Association" which was ususally our cue to grab the plyers and change the channel, because we knew it was going to be some low budget preachy educational crap that looked like a PBS reject. it was sort of like being made to eat your vegetables. Kids are not as dumb as you think they are, at least I wasn't, I know crap when I see it. If we had wanted to watch educational we would have flipped over to PBS and watched Sesame Street. And the only reason we watched kid shows on PBS was because during the weekdays the networks had on soap operas. PBS was the only kid stuff we had. If something good was on the other channel, hardly anyone watched PBS. Not only is the E/I programming these days just a major snooze fest, but the quality is horrible. too much second rate computer animation. Plus all the cartoons these day, including the ones on Cartoon network look like they were done on shockwave or flash media. They look flat and jerky. Plus, why can't the artists draw anymore, the charactors just look plain weird. Everyones body is shaped funny, heads are way too big, ugly looking color, poor backgrounds. The Archies, and Hannah Barbera had some crappy animation, but at least you could tell what you were looking at. I recall the "New Zoo Revue", fondly remembered by anyone who grew up during the 1970s, being a show recommended by the NEA. Another such show, PBS's "Villa Alegre", also received the NEA's seal of approval. It's a sad state when the best produced E/I programming available to TV stations are the Jack Hanna programs. 15 years ago, Disney was willing to fund the production of Bill Nye, The Science Guy for local stations . But, since the children's audience has fragmented among different cable outlets (including Disney's), no one makes an effort to make engaging, entertaining, and educational E/I programs for syndication. Not to mention, the E/I rules have made it hard to attract blue-chip sponsors for these shows, which helps to fund the production costs since most shows are licensed to stations on a barter basis. I'm enjoying "Hannah Montana" and I have THIS site to thank. After they dropped "Lizzie McGuire"

and "Winnie the Pooh" I had no reason to pay attention to what ABC was doing on Saturday morning. Regarding "Teen Kids News" - The station probably figured no one would be watching and therefore no one would notice anyways. The E/I requirements need to be dropped. PBS and its stations air plenty of childrens' programming, and that should be part of their mandate. But other stations shouldn't have to air such programs. Take away the E/I programs, and I highly doubt America's children will be any less well off. As a sidenote, internationally, there are no such requirements in Canada, and publicly-funded CBC/Radio-Canada, TVO, and Tele-Quebec air childrens' programming. None of the commercial stations do anymore (at least in English), except maybe at 6 AM on weekends to help fulfill Canadian content requirements. As PBS already has nationwide coverage and is accessible in practically every television market, and since they already do children's programming well, America's public TV stations should be the only ones required to carry E/I programming, with commercial stations permitted to do their own thing. Requiring commercial stations to carry E/I is so seventies -- with PBS more available now and other choices available on cable, the FCC's way of thinking is all but outmoded, and it seems more like the commercial stations are mailing it in -- with a form letter with postage due -- instead of actually contributing to the spirit of the law. We air Saved By the Bell reruns at 5am on Sundays, and brand it as E/I. I thought the programming had to be aired no earlier than 7 AM to meet FCC requirements. Of course, with the same production company (Hanna-Barbera), they can rip off themselves (their own programs, like Scooby) all they want! cd Goober and the Ghost Chasers What was the last English Language Network to carry that cartoon? I remember back in the day Telemundo ran English language cartoons dubbed in Spanish in the mornings - Bugs Bunny y Amigos, Goober and the Ghost Chasers, and one or 2 other shows. From what I remember seeing of Goober on Telemundo it was a bad rip-off of Scooby Doo. The Cartoon Network and Boomerang were the last English-language networks in the United States to present "Goober and the Ghost Chasers". I'm not don't if any English-language networks outside of the country presented the program after the Cartoon Network and Boomerang. Just as we're talking about how stale some E/I programming is, this new show "M@dAbout" comes along, and it looks promising: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/455680_M_dAbout_Sketch_Comedy_for_Kids_Headed_to_Syndication.php My only hope is that they don't get into an intellectual property dispute with the producers of the old Helen Hunt/Paul Reiser sitcom "Mad About You." Cheesy Speaking of TS, Cartoon Network has brought it back (M-F 3:30 ET). But why are they showing just the last of its 5 seasons (the season when the girls are college fresh[wo]men)? CN has just

started the 3rd runthrough of season 5 since I discovered TS at the beginning of summer. ixnay CBS has found a replacement for "As The World Turns" The outgoing daytime soap will be replaced by a new talk show hosted by Julie Chen, with Sara Gilbert, Leah Remini, and Sharon Osbourne rounding up the panel. The new show would be based over at CBS Television City Studios in L.A., and it won't make its debut once ATWT leaves daytime on September 17th; It will however premiere on Monday, October 4th. CBS will fill the void with TPIR reruns for the time being. As first reported about a month ago... Here's the source that has been credited with breaking the story: http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/daily-talk-show-to-replace-as-the-world-turns-on-cbs-this-fall/ Think "The View" for the mom crowd. Funny, I actually broke the story here back in April but no one seemed to believe me. The Other Half was syndicated by NBC, IIRC. I know it was NOT a network show. Don't forget NBC's version called, The Other Half. A men's version of The View with Dick Clark, Mario Lopez, Danny Bonduce and one other dude. That didn't last long. I believe that one other dude happens to be Dr. Jan Adams, A Beverly Hills-based AfricanAmerican cosmetic surgeon whose operation on Donda West, Mother of R&B Singer/Rapper Kanye West was unsuccessful and Donda was pronounced dead after the operation. Dr. Adams was sued many months later, and I really do believe it was in the news. Whether or not daytime TV viewers will want to watch another version of The View is another matter. The appeal often is the celebrity guests. With taping taking place on the west coast, the pool is far greater than in New York City. Hey Sawty, The unnamed CBS daytime talk show will be seen at ATWT's current time slot at 1PM Central/2PM East over most CBS stations. I wonder if we'll begin to see more flexibility in scheduling with this replacement (for instance, would CBS object if a station slid this new venture to 3 and moved Deal earlier in the day (for those airing Deal at 3 now)? Should be interesting to see how it plays out. Deal or No Deal is available at both 10am and 3pm in the east. Stations may air that morning run if they choose. As the World Turns runs at 2pm in the east and at 4PM edt/1PM pdt. If successful, I could see stations taking the west coast feed of the new show and airing it as a lead-in to the afternoon news block once Oprah departs. It's "Let's Make A Deal" and not "Deal Or No Deal" that airs on CBS at either 10 AM or 3 PM. Putting a talk show at 2 (ET) may entice stations now airing "Deal" at 3 to move it to 10. The reason: program flow. Consider:

if the affiliate runs "Deal" at 3, the schedule will look like this (times are Eastern): 11 AM Price Is Right (game) 12 N (Local) 12:30 Young And The Restless (soap) 1:30 Bold And The Beautiful (soap) 2 PM The Site (talk) 3 PM Let's Make A Deal (game) But if "Deal" airs at 10, the schedule looks like this: 10 AM Let's Make A Deal (game) 11 AM Price Is Right (game) 12 N (Local) 12:30 Young And The Restless (soap) 1:30 Bold And The Beautiful (soap) 2 PM The Site (talk) and more talk shows may follow from 3 to the start of local news (usually 5 PM) I like the program flow that results from having "Deal" at 10, always thought it made more sense than having "Guiding Light" at 10, and I'd like to see more stations airing "Deal" at 10. There is one problem: the general manager of CBS affiliate WFMY Greensboro, NC, which carries "Deal" at 3, told me that if the station moves the show and the ratings go down, the station has to pay CBS a penalty per point lost. That might discourage stations from moving "Deal" to 10. It might also discourage stations from airing "The Site" at 4, especially as long as Oprah is on the ABC or NBC affiliate, or even after she's gone. Sometimes "LMAD" is usually seen at 9:00AM in selected areas-primariily on the East Coast. Here in Houston, "LMAD" is seen at 2:00PM CT And "Deal or No Deal" is an intellectual property of NBCwhich is produced by Endemol, and it was shown on MyTV. And therefore, NBC stopped production on the syndicated version of "DOND". It's interesting to know that CBS affiliates have to pay a penalty if they move "Let's Make a Deal" to 10/9C and the ratings drop (does CBS pay the affiliates if the ratings go up?!!?...LOL). I'd also be curious to know if CBS holds that over the heads of affiliates nationwide, or if it's on a market by market basis, depending on the local market and/or what the competition might be. This is also particularly interesting (and perhaps a bit hypocritical) since a good chunk of CBS O&O's, particularly in the East, air "Deal" in the morning (as they did "Guiding Light"). Does anybody know if "Deal" tends to get better ratings in the afternoon or morning? Since CBS is replacing ATWT with a talk show, I would probably tend to want to move "Deal" to the morning if I was programming a CBS affiliate. As bpatrick stated, the flow is just better: You have the two network game shows back-to-back, then the two soaps back-to-back (at least in the East), and then you follow the new CBS talk show with syndicated talk. Seems like a no-brainer. It's "Let's Make A Deal" and not "Deal Or No Deal" that airs on CBS at either 10 AM or 3 PM. So right. Not sure where my head is today! ...the general manager of CBS affiliate WFMY

Greensboro, NC, which carries "Deal" at 3, told me that if the station moves the show and the ratings go down, the station has to pay CBS a penalty per point lost. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me; especially since CBS offers a run in the morning. Perhaps if the program were tape-delayed to a time not scheduled/suggested by the network. It would seem that an affiliate should be able to run a show out-of-pattern if it wants, but the person who told me about the CBS penalty clause runs a CBS affiliate, and I have to take her word for it. It was the reason, she said, that she never moved "Guiding Light" to 10 (she really didn't need to, since "GL" performed better in Greensboro than in most of the country right to the end). And there are at least a couple of stations that air "LMAD" at 9 (ET); I know WKMG Orlando does. I'm not sure, however, that many affiliates outside the Eastern time zone would subscribe to my program-flow scheme, penalty or no penalty. The kicker is that they would have to move the noon news to 11 AM and "Y&R" to 11:30, and I'm not sure many stations would be willing to do that; although "Price Is Right" could be a very viable lead-in to an 11 AM news, most viewers in the earlier time zones are used to "Y&R" leading into a noon newscast, and most station managers would figure: why mess up a good thing? After all, only six stations run "Y&R" at 11:30 and three of them are o&os (Los Angeles, Chicago, and Dallas). But I can see "LMAD" moving to 9 AM and being replaced by a talk show at 2 PM (CT/MT/PT). http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/new_cbs_daytime_show_will_be_called_the_talk_16903 5.asp So, first, it had the working title of "The Site." Now, it will officially be called "The Talk." I hear rejected titles for the show include "The Chat," "The Blab," "The Word," "The Idea," and "The Moms," among others. I also hear that they wanted to name it "The Show" but needed permission from Method Man and Redman first. Well, "Chen & Co." would have been great for the title of the new CBS talk Show. It will be produced by Sara Gilbert's company, Tom Forman Productions, and CBS News. Chen wil continue on to do The Live "Big Brother" eviction shows every summer, but as far as Julie Chen's job on "The Early Show" as concerned. Well, CBS is looking for a high-profiled replacement for Chen. And "The Today Show"'s Ann Curry might join the ship. So, just how do the affiliates really feel about not recovering this hour of programming, as it was thought they would at one time? And would the new network lineup and feed schedule affect stations like WLKY-TV, Louisville, that air "Y&R" at 4 PM EST/EDT, same-day delayed? (It's a strong counterplay against "Oprah" on WHAS/ABC, "Ellen" on WAVE/NBC, and "News at 4" on WDRB/Fox.) I don't think it will have any effect. "Deal," AFAIK, will continue to be fed at 3/2, so WLKY won't

have to change its schedule (neither will WRAL, which also airs "Y&R" at 4 and beats Oprah), and I would suspect that most--if not all--CBS stations will carry Julie Chen at 2/1 (except maybe in the Mountain time zone, where there might be some delays due to the live feed at noon). I brought up the subject of "Deal" in the morning simply because I think it makes for better program flow to air it at 10 AM. But that does not mean that CBS is going to eliminate the afternoon feed. Portland Maine CBS affiliate WGME 13 airs Let's Make a Deal at 9:00am. "LMAD" does have a 9 AM feed; WKMG/6 Orlando carries it. But my point is that--aside from the possibility of more stations figuring that "LMAD" isn't doing that badly in the morning, so why don't we move it--things aren't going to change radically. I look for a straight transition from "ATWT" to Julie Chen by most, if not all, the affiliates, and some of the stations less willing to take a gamble to keep "LMAD" at 3. I also don't see "Y&R" moving out of the 4 PM slot in Louisville and Raleigh; it's done too well neutralizing Oprah. (I wonder, though, what WLKY and WRAL would do at 4 if both were still ABC affiliates, and the two stations that have Oprah-WHAS and WTVD--were still with CBS. Huh) KMOV in St. Louis also airs Y&R at 4. I will be interesting to see if the CBS affiliates that delay Y&R to 4 continue to do so after Oprah goes away. They'll still need a strong lead-in to their 5 PM news. Perennially third-place WLKY began winning 5 PM after placing "Y&R" at 4, and WRAL wins a tight battle with WTVD at 5. I don't think either CBS station will sacrifice that advantage. unless they move Rachael Ray to 2:00 PM as this move would leave them exposed in the mornings (And there's A LOT of talk shows on the dial in the mornings). They would also lose their grip on the afternoon game show crowd who would undoubtedly flip to ION or GSN. In fact, I would go so far as to say they're logistically not in a position to. And since Oprah is leaving, KCNC will likely replace her show by re-entering the 4:00 PM news war (KMGH 7 & KUSA 9 already have 4:00 PM newscasts & KCNC started the pre-5:00 PM news war way back in the 1980s when they debuted First News which started out as a 30 minute newscast @ 4:30 and then expanded to an hour before being axed to accomondate Oprah, which KMGH 7 dropped to enter the 4:00 PM news war). What will likely happen IMO is they'll simply replace ATWT with the new show @ 1:00 PM & leave it at that. JMO though..... Cheers Cheesy In what location can you receive the most "Over the air' channels? I receive between 25 and 30 DTV channels. That seems pretty good since I sometimes hear of people only being about to pick up three or four channels. However I know there are certain hotspots where people can pick up 40 or 50 channels. Does anyone know the best place to live to get the most free TV?

25 to 30 digital TV channels...are you counting sub channels? Here in New Britain, CT, if I found a "sweet spot" to pick up channels 3, 8, 18, 20, 24, 26, 30, 59 and 61, I considered it as receiving 9 channels. However, channel 3 (as an example) also uses 3-2, 3-3 and 3-4, while channel 30 (as an example) also uses 30-2 and 30-3. I'm pretty sure the number in Los Angeles is among the largest in the nation, but a lot of those are in foreign languages. - Trip If I count the subchannels of stations I do receive, then it's 39 (not counting WLS-TV, which broadcasts both on RF 7 & RF 44, & both have virtual channels 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3 & WCIU, which also has 23.1 tied to 26.2 & 48.1 tied to 26.3 ) (Replace the . with a - if your TV or DTV box uses a - ) I should mention this is the Chicago market I'm talking about, & from my location in Gary Indiana. WGN-TV has 1 subchannel, but LATV has been removed from their subchannel, & it's now on WOCK-CD. That's been discussed on another messageboard. WYCC simulcasts 20.1 on 20.2 & WYIN still simulcasts 56.1 on 56.2 & 56.4. WYIN added about a month ago PBS Kids Go on 56.3. Some DTV tuners can pickup WPWR-TV's mobile TV channel 51.6, which shows a weather radar. My DTV tuner in my DTV box doesn't pick it up, & refuses to recognize 51.6 as a legitimate channel. So I don't count that one on my end. I don't get WOCK-CD because the power is too weak to receive that channel (300 watts, or 405 watts, whichever it is now), WPVN-LD because it's too far north of Chicago to receive, & WWTO because the station is too far from most of Chicagoland that most people don't get this station at all (not that I care). So those 3 stations aren't included in my figure. Here's what I get: Note: all channels are 480i & 4:3 unless noted. All noted 720p & 1080i channels are 16:9 VC RF WBBM-TV (1080i) 2.1 12 WMAQ (1080i) 5.1 29 Weather radar 5.2 29 Universal Sports 5.3 29 WLS-TV (720p) 7.1 7 & 44 (RF 44 is now the main channel while RF 7 is a translator until 44 is ready for primetime) Livewell HD (720p) 7.2 7 & 44 Accuweather 7.3 7 & 44 WGN-TV (1080i) 9.1 19 ? (formerly LATV) 9.2 19 WTTW (1080i) 11.1 47 WTTW Prime 11.2 47 Create 11.3 47 V-Me 11.4 47 WYCC (1080i) WYCC in SD MHZ Worldview WWME-LD 20.1 21 20.2 21 20.3 21 23.2 39 (sometimes get this one)

WCIU (720p) 26.1 27 WWME-LD (MeTV) 23.1/26.2 27

WMEU-CA (MeToo) 26.3/48.1 27 This TV 26.4 27 FBT 26.6 27 WFLD WCPX Qubo Ion Life (720p) 32.1 31 38.1 43 38.2 43 38.3 43 44.1 45 44.2 45

WSNS (1080i) Inmi TV WPWR-TV

(720p) 50.1 51

WYIN (720p) 56.1 17 WYIN (720p) 56.2 17 (simulcast of 56.1) PBS Kids Go (16:9) 56.3 17 WYIN (16:9) 56.4 17 (simulcast of 56.1) WXFT (1080i) 60.1 50 WXFT in SD 60.2 50 WJYS WEDE-CA WJYS-2 WGBO-DT (1080i) 62.1 36 62.2 36 62.4 36 66.1 38

Now if I lived in Porter County Indiana, I wouldn't get WWME-LD, but I would add the South Bend stations since the full power South Bend stations reach Porter County, & that would only be 5 stations (not counting any subchannels). How about the top of Mount Washington? Theoretically, you would be able to receive the Portland, Burlington, Boston, Bangor, Sherbrooke (Canada), and Montreal stations with a large, amplified, roof mounted antenna. However, there would be a good deal of signal overlap. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9fbe185bc1da28 As a side note, here in RI, I get the Boston and Providence stations for a total of 16. Central New Jersey would be a good spot since you would be able to get all the NYC and Philly channels. know there are certain hotspots where people can pick up 40 or 50 channels. Does anyone know the best place to live to get the most free TV? From 40 miles north of Dallas-Ft. Worth, I get a total of digital 66 streams (from 29 stations) OTA plus the 3 remaining analog facilities in the market. I'm pretty sure the number in Los Angeles is among the largest in the nation, but a lot of those are in foreign languages. - Trip

Trip is correct. Latest scan on my set in the Los Ageles DMA shows a total of 95 (this includes subs) Of those 95 I have deleted 71 channels because of foreign languages and/or Godcasters Making a total of viewable channels for my personal preferences at 24. Washington DC should be pretty good. You have DC and Baltimore close enough to each other. When I lived there in the dark ages, I could easily pick up all of both markets' analog signals, even poor ole' 45. On top of Curry Hill in Fowlstown, GA (39819) I can pick strong signals from most of the stations from 5 markets. I can only get 20 stations without moving my antenna, but if I'm willing to move it that number goes up to about 50, all in English with only 1 religious station. Most nights I can even pick up Mobile, Macon and Tampa. That's when the Spanish and religious stations start coming in. And I'm only using a 25 year old VHF rooftop YAGI with a new RG-6 coax. No amps. Here in Denver, we get the following subchannels in addition to the main channels..... KWGN 2 (CW) - None offered (Although Tube TV was offered here before it shut down) KCDO 3 (Retro TV) None offered (Not surprising since the station's COL is Sterling, CO & the local 10:00 PM news is imported from IA by way of KGWN 5 (CBS) Cheyenne, WY) KCNC 4 (CBS) - None offered (CBS doesn't believe in them) KRMA 6 (PBS) - All PBS HD subchannels (All simulcast on Comcast Digital Cable) KMGH 7 (ABC) - 7-2 NewsChannel 247 (A 24/7 loop of latest local newscast -Also simulcast on Comcast Digital Cable Channel 247) KUSA 9 (NBC) - 9.2 9NEWS WeatherPlus (Complete with the old WeatherPlus logo) & 9.3 Universal Sports (Both simulcast on Comcast Digital Cable Channels 249 & 250 respectively) KBDI 12 (PBS) Several HD offerings (NOT simulcast on Comcast) KTFD 14 (TeleFutura) Unsure KTVD 20 (MyNetwork TV) None offered KDEN 25 (Telemundo) Unsure KZCO 27 (Azteca) Unsure KDVR 31 (Fox) None offered KRMT 41 (Daystar) Unsure KCEC 50 (Univision) Unsure KWHD 53 (Independent) Unsure KPXC 59 (ION) Usual ION fare (Not simulcast on Comcast however)

All this adds up to..... PRIMARY CHANNELS 16 SECONDARY SUBCANNELS 5 Confirmed but is no doubt significantly higher when you throw in all the offerings by KRMA 6, KBDI 12 & KPXC 59 as well) Cheers Cheesy Toronto has to be one the most unique situations in the broadcasting world, other than some European countries, where not only do they get their own local broadcast fare but stations from another country. From what I can read, signals from Buffalo can reach that city without much difficulty, save for the Batavia ION station. In some areas, people have trouble receiving the local NBC and FOX stations. With tropo, Torontonians could receive stations from Erie, Cleveland, Syracuse, Rochester and even from places like Pittsburgh, Youngstown and Detroit. Compared with them, Montreal and Vancouver don't enjoy nearly as much access to American stations because of topography and signal strength. This is what I see as the Toronto OTA lineup: WGRZ (NBC) Buffalo - 2.1, 2.2 (Universal Sports) and 2.3 (RTN) WIVB (CBS) Buffalo - 4.1, no subchannels, obviously CBLT (CBC) Toronto - 5.1, also has analog 5 until 8/2011 WKBW (ABC) Buffalo - 7.1, no subchannels CFTO (CTV) Toronto - 9.1, analog 9 until 8/2011 CHCH Hamilton - 11.1, analog 11 until 8/2011 WNED (PBS) Buffalo - 17.1, 17.2 (PBS-SD), 17.3 (Thinkbright) CICA (TVO) Toronto - 19 analog, will switch to digital in 2011 WNLO (CW) Buffalo - 23.1, no subchannels CBLFT (SRC) Toronto - 25.1, analog 25 until 8/2011 WNYB (TCT) Jamestown - 26.1, 26.2 (TCT-HD) WUTV (Fox) Buffalo - 29.1, supposedly TheCoolTV will be on 29.2 soon CIII-TV-41 (Global) Toronto - 41.1, 41 analog until 8/2011 CFMT (Omni) Toronto - 47.1, 47 analog until 8/2011 WNYO (MNTV) Buffalo - 49.1, 49.2 (MNTV-SD) CKXT (Sun TV) Toronto - 52.1, 52 analog until 8/2011 CITY (CityTV) Toronto - 57.1, 57 analog until 8/2011 CJMT (Omni-2) Toronto - 69.1, 69 analog until 8/2011 I'm not including the ION station in Batavia, which is Tropo-only for Toronto, the low-power stations

nor WNGS, which is still in the middle of sorting itself out. Some Canadians even prefer watching American stations over the air because of the programming choices and no simsubbing. Windsor is even in more of a weird situation because all the stations from Detroit and Toledo blast into the area and there are only a few Canadian stations available. To complete my earlier post, here's a complete breakdown of the channels available here..... KWGN 2 (CW) NO SUBCHANNELS KCDO 3 (Retro TV) NO SUBCHANNELS KCNC 4 (CBS) NO SUBCHANNELS (CBS doesn't believe in them!) KRMA 6 (PBS) 6.2 V-Me 6.3 PBS Create 6.4 Reading (Audio Only) (All except 6.4 simulcast on Comcast Digital Cable) KMGH 7 (ABC) 7.2 KZCO-SD (Azteca America) (This can't be right) KUSA 9 (NBC) 9.2 9NEWS WeatherPlus (Complete with the old WeatherPlus logo) 9.3 Universal Sports (Both simulcast on Comcast Digital Cable Channels 249 & 250 repectively) KBDI 12 (PBS) 12.2 Documentary Channel 12.3 World View (Foreign Programs) (Part of PBS?) (None simulcast on Comcast) KTFD 14 (TeleFutura) NO SUBCHANNELS KTVD 20 (MyNetwork TV) NO SUBCHANNELS KDEO 23 (EWTN) 23.2 MyFamily TV (Classic TV/Local Programming) 23.3 EWTN 2 (Spanish Religion) 23.4 V I D A (Spanish Religion) (EWTN National is the only feed carried on Comcast & Satellite) KDEN 25 (Telemundo) NO SUBCHANNELS (This is the CORRECT listing for KDEN) ====================================== KDEN 28 28.1 HSN (24/7 Home Shopping) 28.2 MTV/TR3s (English/Spanish Music Videos) 28.4 TV FE (Spanish Religion) (This listing CANNOT be right as only ONE station can hold the KDEN call) ====================================== KDVR 31 (Fox) NO SUBCHANNELS KRMT 41 (Daystar) NO SUBCHANNELS KCEC 50 (Univision) 50.2 LATV (Spanish) KWHD 53 (Independent) NO SUBCHANNELS (Although 53.2 supposedly simulcasts 53.1) KPXC 59 (ION) Usual ION fare TOTALS: Main Channels - 17 (16 IF you DO NOT count KDEN being on 28)

Subchannels - 17 (14 IF you DO NOT count KDEN being on 28 & 53.2 simulcasting 53.1) ==================================================== TOTAL CHANNELS ON DENVER OTA HDTV - 31 Source is here Cheers Grin Dude, Pat, I run a website for this stuff, you should give it a look some time. Channel 28 is KLPD-LD. Channel 53 runs Estrella TV on 53-1 and LeSEA on 53-2. How can KMGH not be right? I guarantee it is. - Trip What about in central NJ? Is there a place where you can reliably pick up NYC and Philly stations? When I asked the question.. YES I also met sub channels. I am including everything. After my TV is done scanning I always end up with at least 25 channels. The other night conditions were favorable and that number went up to 35 channels. I was getting the three Ion stations from three different markets for a total of 9 channels. Trip is correct. Latest scan on my set in the Los Ageles DMA shows a total of 95 (this includes subs) Holy Cow. 95 channels for free. That's incredible. You Win! Before we give him the prize, are there any spots where you can get both LA and San Diego stations? I make those two cities 111 miles apart, so some theoretical mid point would be 55 miles or so from each. I know nothing about the intervening terrain (I'm British) KML: Yes. - Trip Someone from Windsor or who knows about the area please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe at one time cable in that area offered stations from Detroit, Toledo and Cleveland in addition to Windsor locals. The last time I looked, they had all Windsor and Detroit stations and a lot of the U.S. stations Canadians get across the board (i.e. the local WGN, Peachtree TV) but I don't remember seeing much from Toledo or Cleveland. I think the Toledo and Cleveland stations are carried in other areas along the north shore of Lake Erie. Especially from Windsor, it's not a long hop ... Toledo's towers are only about 40 miles across the Lake and Cleveland's are maybe 110? Well, I suppose people in South Orange County (Irvine to San Clemente) with a very good and tall outdoor aerial on a rotor could technically receive both LA and San Diego/TJ. There is a small mountain range south of Irvine that makes reception in Mission Viejo/San Juan Capistano difficult from the North AND the South (that would be pretty close to dead middle distance wise). In the analog days, the Summer inversion layer would allow San Diego to come booming in as

clear as a local for me in Long Beach. Since the digital switch, I haven't received a whisper of the San Diego VHF's (8 & 10) that used to appear quite frequently. I have received Fox 5 KSWB (RF 19) a couple of times but the antenna array is so vastly different to the Mt. Wilson towers that nothing else but it would come in so it's not worth the effort for me. San Diego also doesn't have the advantage of having all the towers in one spot like the tower farm on Mt. Wilson so a rotor would imperative to get a signal lock on the 3 different San Diego blowtorch locations including LA in the opposite direction. Just read the San Diego HDTV reception threads on avsforum.com, even the locals are having a bear of a time getting all of their locals in SanD. And again, while 95 stations is quite large, 75% of that number are foreign language subs that I do not speak/understand. Some channels are redundant (KXLA, KJLA, KVMD are sister stations that carry each other on one of their subchannels). The rest fall into a hodgepodge of 24/7 informercial barker channels and Godcasters which don't float my boat. Strictly English speaking commercial (and PBS) channels puts the "real" number at around 27. Let's mix this up a bit and talk about locations not in large markets like Los Angeles, but in areas where you can get stations from a number of markets. There are places around here that you can - with a reasonably modest antenna - get stations from the Cleveland, Youngstown and even Pittsburgh markets, with a side of Erie PA. Several areas between San Francisco and Sacramento including Vallejo, Fairfield, Pittsburg, Vacaville, and Santa Rosa where all San Francisco/San Jose and Sacramento/Stockton/ Modesto stations are all receivable with an outdoor antenna. I lived in Patterson from 2005-2010, and with my OTA, I could pick up stations from Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto along with Fresno/Visalia Merced, 1 station from Salinas/Monterey (KSBW Cool, and before the analog shutoff, I was able to recieve KNVN, KHSL, KGET and KUVI from both Redding and Bakersfield. However, it's a bit hard,so basically I would only get stations from Sacto and Fresno since that time. Works but now I live up in Western Washington now and I do get stuff as translators of Seattle and some Portland stations (KGW, KATU, KPTV, KPDX) but it doesn't really matter since I get Comcast in the mountain ranges in Western Washington but they are mainly translators of KING, KOMO, KIRO, KCPQ, KMYQ, KSTW, KGW, KATU, KPTV and KPDX. My parking lot at work in Chattanooga in good,I can hear stations from Knoxville,Nashville,Birmingham and Atlanta. I did a re-scan on 6 July 10 at 0730MT & I came up with 31 (including sub-ch's) channels, which also had KCDO in the bunch (FINALLY!!) but may be short-lived due to tropospheric ducting between my location in North Denver & the XMTR location near Ft. Morgan, some 60 miles away. I believe it was PAT COOK who in an earlier posting, posted a link to the "O T A HDTV" Page (then dated 6APR10) on my Web Site: www.RMRondyNews.com I have since updated (6 July 10) the Page to include the info provided by TRIPINVA on ch's 28.1 thru 28.5 & KETD-DT 53.1 & 53.2 -thanks much!! The info on KDEO-LP 23.1 thru 23.4 is correct verified thru the station GM. Dude, Pat, I run a website for this stuff, you should give it a look some time. If you post the URL, I'm sure everyone will take a look at it Wink Quote Channel 28 is KLPD-LD. This must be one I'm not even aware of. Quote Channel 53 runs Estrella TV on 53-1 and LeSEA on 53-2. Noticed that as I was rummaging though the Comcast provided channel guide. That said though, it is weird. I wonder why KWHD is run like that. Putting Latin programming on over English programming? Either they were losing $$$ as an English Indie or they're showing guts for choosing

Latin programming over English programming. Quote How can KMGH not be right? I guarantee it is. I don't doubt that KZCO is available as one of their HD subchannels (They do promote the station in the credits after each of their newscasts). But what I don't get is why they simply don't have NewsChannel 247 on 7.2 (Or elsewhere in the HD lineup for that matter) since Comcast has it along with the subchannels of the other stations. That's what I was getting at. Cheers Cheesy For Pat Cook in Colorado: Who exactly is KCDO-DT channel 3? Is it the old KTVS-TV from Sterling, CO? Yes. KCDO is the old KTVS 3 from Sterling, CO & (After a cup of coffee with America One) is now an affiliate of the RetroTV (RTV) Network. The station is owned by the same company who owns KGWN 5 (CBS) in Cheyenne, WY (Who produces the 10:00 PM news after receiving it from an anchor team in - Of ALL places - IA!! I'm thinking Cedar Rapids, IA but am not sure on that). Cheers Cheesy I did a re-scan on 6 July 10 at 0730MT & I came up with 31 (including sub-ch's) channels, which also had KCDO in the bunch (FINALLY!!) but may be short-lived due to tropospheric ducting between my location in North Denver & the XMTR location near Ft. Morgan, some 60 miles away. It should also be noted that KCDO is carried on Comcast & DirecTV here in Denver for all to enjoy though I have little doubt that some in the Northern suburbs can also receive it OTA as well. JFYI..... Cheers Cheesy Richmond, Indiana was always a pretty good spot for picking up full-power stations from the Indianapolis, Dayton, and Cincinnati areas. The last time I checked reception from that area was in the era of analog television. Someone else would have to fill you in on how many subchannels can be received and whether their reception in Richmond carried over to digital. WDTN 2 (NBC) Dayton WAVE 3 (NBC) Louisville, KY came in a good portion of the time due to the low dial position. Probably non-existent in Richmond now. WTTV 4 (CW) Bloomington/Indianapolis WLWT 5 (NBC) Cincinnati WRTV 6 (ABC) Indianapolis WHIO 7 (CBS) Dayton WISH 8 (CBS) Indianapolis WCPO 9 (ABC) Cincinnati WKRC 12 (CBS) Cincinnati WTHR 13 (NBC) Indianapolis

WPTO 14 (PBS) Oxford, OHhad spotty reception even though the transmitter was 25 miles away. Tower moved to Cincinnati when the station went digital. WPTD's sister station. WPTD 16 (PBS) Dayton WXIX 19 (Fox) Cincinnati WFYI 20 (PBS) Indianapolis WKEF 22 (ABC) Dayton WNDY 23 (My) Indianapolis WBDT 26 (CW) Dayton WTTK 29 (CW) Kokomo, IN--a satellite of WTTV used to fill the coverage gap in the northern portion of the Indy TV market. From what I understand, this station's transmitter is now in the tower farm on the Northwest side of Indianapolis. WLIO 35 (NBC) Lima, OH WHMB 40 (Religious) Indianapolis WKOI 43 (TBN) Richmond WTLW 44 (Religious) Lima, OHcame in most of the time WRGT 45 (Fox) Dayton WCET 48 (PBS) Cincinnati WIPB 49 (PBS) Muncie, IN WXIN 59 (Fox) Indianapolis WSTR 64 (My) Cincinnati By this token, Wilmington, Ohio would be an interesting location too - about 50 miles from both Cincinnati and Columbus and only 30 or so miles from Dayton. I believe the Columbus stations get the short end of the stick as far as carriage in that area. There is no KWHD. Last month, Lester Sumrall Evangelistic Association (LeSEA) sold the station to Liberman Broadcasting, who renamed it to KETD. Liberman created and operates Estrella TV, making KETD a network O&O, so it is a logical move. LeSEA scores a bonus for keeping their network on a secondary subchannel.

CBS Developing Live Talk Show As Possible "ATWT" Replacement CBS Television Distribution is developing a new live talk show hosted by Valerie Bertinelli, who currently stars in the sitcom "Hot in Cleveland," which could possibly replace the soap opera "As The World Turns" when it ends its run. Even though CBS' distribution arm is working on the talk show, which currently has the working title "Say It Now" (a take on the old "See It Now" series?), it

is specifically planned for CBS' daytime schedule and is not intended for syndication. Full story: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/454147-CTD_Adds_Say_It_Now_into_Network_Mix.php I guess "Let's Make A Deal" ratings are souring the network on game shows, which is why they're thinking about going down this road instead of "The Million Dollar Pyramid." Not necessarily at all. If they were all that soured, they wouldn't have done another pilot just to waste time (not to mention possibly cutting LMAD). Exploring multiple options is a prudent business plan. You don't just rush down one path without thinking about the other possible viable options. Also consider the time period differences. With LMAD, the number of large stations airing the show in the morning covering a pretty sizable portion of the population. That's less true with the soon-tobe-vacant slot at 2/1. It's possible that a talk show would work better there in this particular situation. A pilot was just shot for a new version of the $25,000 Pyramid. The host was Conan sidekick Andy Richter. Someone thinks Game shows are still worth investing in. 'Deal' is actually doing better in the ratings than the soap it replaced. It's also cheaper to produce, so it's a double win for CBS. Exactly, which is probably why you don't see them replacing it with a new soap. Unscripted shows are cheaper than scripted shows. Why not expan The Bold and the Beautiful to 1hr from 1/2 hr. I had read (though I cannot remember or find where) that CBS had considered returning 12:30 PM1PM to affiliates and airing its new program from 2:30 PM-3PM, bumping Y&R to 1PM and B&B to 2PM. Would this entail expanding "B&B" to an hour, as a previous poster had inquired? No. New programming would air at 2:30 PM. I'm with you on this one. "Y&R" has a half-hour's head start on "All My Children" and "Days Of Our Lives" in the Eastern time zone (less chance of changing channels at 1, I guess CBS figures); "Y&R" and "B&B" are still one-two in the soap ratings. Someone mentioned the number of stations that carry "Let's Make A Deal" in the mornings. It makes sense; it's compatible with "The Price Is Right, and I'm surprised that more stations don't follow suit, except for one thing: the g.m. of WFMY Greensboro (which airs "Deal" at 3) told me that if an affiliate moves a show, and the show does worse in the new time slot, the affiliate has to pay the network a certain amount to offset the ratings difference (I don't know if that applies at any network besides CBS). But the fact is, "Deal" is on in the mornings on quite a few stations, which brings up my question: ABC has "The View" at 11 AM/10 AM, so if CBS were to come up with a similar program, what would keep stations from airing it in the morning instead of 2/1? It depends a bit on the scenarios open to them. CBS's own stations moved GL to mornings, so to

see that trend grow with the slot going to LMAD is no surprise, especially with the compatability. But much like not moving Y&R/B&B, it doesn't make much sense to move Price is Right out of its slot. So if they do end up with a View-esque show, the options are to make it available at 9, then run a two-hour game block (on the major stations). There might be some value to the network feeding that kind of show at 2 (eastern) though--it would feed well into many stations' afternoon chat blocks. I wouldn't want CBS to put this talk show directly against "The View," and I don't think that will happen. I can see it at 9, but I also get your point about leading into afternoon talk shows (for instance, if WCBS runs it at 2 it leads into "Dr. Phil"). But no, and I want to make myself absolutely clear on this, I don't think there's any chance of "Price" moving out of the 11/10 slot. I had read (though I cannot remember or find where) that CBS had considered returning 12:30 PM1PM to affiliates and airing its new program from 2:30 PM-3PM, bumping Y&R to 1PM and B&B to 2PM. Here in ATL, CBS Atlanta airs B&B 1:30-2:00; ATWT 2:00-3:00 and Y&R 3:00-4:00. I'm sure many of the affiliates would love to get 30 minutes back so they could do an hour-long midday news instead of the current 30 minutes. Don't see that happening tough. "B and B" cast and staffers, especially the veterans, put the kibosh on expanding to an hour. Right now the cast and crew work a standard 8 to 5 day. Expanding to an hour a day would put them well over the 40 hour a week schedule they have. The vets like things just where they are. Given the waning popularity of "soap operas" and the current economic climate, maybe it's in the best interest to simply shorten all soaps to a half-hour? Here in ATL, CBS Atlanta airs B&B 1:30-2:00; ATWT 2:00-3:00 and Y&R 3:00-4:00. But bpatrick is going to say that WLKY Louisville also airs Y&R at 4. Smiley And before bpatrick says it, I'll point out that WRAL in Raleigh airs Y&R at 4 PM. Wink No. When the popularity of a show wanes enough, that one gets cancelled. It makes no sense to shorten a show that's still making you enough money at an hour in length. Probably on either WFMY or WSPA; either you had a good antenna or you had cable because one or the other is available in the Charlotte market, depending on where you live. I might also add that "Y&R" airs at 4 PM (CT) in St. Louis and Baton Rouge. I didn't have cable until the late 90s (and when my father moved out I cancelled it, but I have it again for just the local package) except in college, but I do remember those game shows. I'm almost positive I saw them at the hospital when I was waiting for my father who was visiting someone there. Where I lived in the early 80s WBTW might have been a good bet, or possibly WSPA. We had a good antenna, I know that. Station with the Most News in Your Market? Which station has the most news per week in your market?

Include newscasts on any sister stations. Let's start with Boston and Providence: Providence 1. WPRI: 40.5 Hours 2. WPRI: 34.5 Hours 3. WJAR: 30 Hours Boston 1. WHDH: 44 Hours 2. WFXT: 32.5 Hours 3. WBZ: 32 Hours 4. WCVB: 29.5 Hours Mobile-Pensacola: WALA-TV: 26 hours (+ 1/2*) WKRG-TV: 24 1/2 hours WPMI-TV: 24 1/2 hours (+ 1/2*) WEAR-TV: 32 hours (+ 1/2*) *public affairs or talk Here's the list for the Quad Cities: ABC / WQAD TV 8 (27:35) M-F 5-7a, 11-12N, 5-5:30p, 6-7p, 10-10:35p Sat 6-6:30p, 10-10:35p Sun 5:30-6p, 10-10:35p NBC / KWQC TV 6 (25:00) M-F 5-7a, 12-1p, 5-5:30p, 6-6:30p, 10-10:35p Sat 6-6:30p, 10-10:30p Sun 5-5:30p, 10-10:35p CBS / WHBF TV 4 (7:35) M-F 5-5:30p, 10-10:35p Sat 6-6:30p, 10-10:35p Sun 5-5:30p, 10-10:35p FOX / KLJB-18 (3:00) M-F 9-9:30p Sun 9-9:30p Whoa! I thought KWQC was the news winner in this category, but budget cuts in early 2008, several news staff were laid off and the Saturday morning newsandwich was eliminated. Not to mention WQAD's 11 A.M. having started in September 2008 and then more recently expanding to a full hour. Anyway, this list does not include any news repeats or the locally produced Paula Sands Live.... KRON 4 here in San Francisco with 11.5 hours a day(most of it is in the morning from 4am-11am I was checking to see if anyone had posted KRON4 in San Francisco. Although KRON4 calls this

time commitment as 'NEWS' I do not feel it is actually a newscast. Majority is weather and traffic and 'sponsored' segments. I have only seen paid segments on the morning weekend news Here in L.A.: KCBS 2 (CBS)*: 5-7 AM, 11-11:30 AM, 5-6:30 PM, 11-11:35 PM KNBC 4 (NBC): 4:30-7 AM, 5-6:30 PM; 11-11:35 PM KTLA 5 (CW): 4:30-10 AM, 1-2 PM, 6-7 PM, 10-11 PM KABC 7 (ABC): 4:30-7 AM, 11 AM-noon, 4-6:30 PM, 11-11:35 PM KCAL 9 (Ind.)*: Noon-1 PM, 2-3:30 PM, 4-5 PM, 8-10:45 PM (10:45-11 PM is SportsCentral) KTTV 11 (Fox)**: 4:30-10:30 AM, Noon-12:30 PM, 10-11 PM As for the least, that title would go to KCOP 13 (MyNetworkTV)** which only has half an hour of news per day (11-11:30 PM--"Fox News at 11", produced by KTTV Fox 11) *2 and 9 are both owned by CBS Corporation. **11 and 13 are both owned by Fox Television Stations. This is ticky tack because your list hit all the major news players. +30 minutes M-F for KOCE 50 (PBS): Real Orange +30 minutes M-F for KDOC 56 (Ind): California Vote 2010 Fox 43 York,Pa. 32 Hours per week.

Not sure about the most, but how about the least: WWJ-TV (CBS) Detroit, (market #11) 0 hours (unless you count their weather/traffic segment 5-7am) Houston: KPRC (NBC) 4:30-7 am 11 am-12 pm 4-4:30 pm 5-5:30 pm 6-6:30 pm 10-10:35 pm 5 hr, 35 min KHOU (CBS) 4:30-7 am 12-12:30pm 5-5:30pm 6-6:30pm 10-10:35pm 4 hr, 35 min KTRK (ABC) 4:30-7 am 11 am-12 pm 4-5:30 pm 6-7 pm 10-10:35 pm 6 hr, 35 min

KRIV (Fox) 4-10 am 12-12:30pm 5-6pm 9-10pm 8 hr, 30 min KIAH (CW) 5-6 pm 9-10 pm 2 hrs So here's LA, with the foreign language stations included as well: 1. KCBS/KCAL: 66.5 Hours/Week 2. KTLA: 46.5 Hours/Week 3. KTTV/KCOP: 40 Hours/Week 4. KABC: 39 Hours/Week 5. KNBC: 27 Hours/Week 6. KVEA/KWHY: 23 Hours/Week 7. KMEX/KFTR: 21 Hours/Week 8. KSCI: 20 Hours/Week* 9. KRCA: 7.5 Hours/Week** 10. KNLA: 5 Hours/Week** 11. KAZA: 2.5 Hours/Week 12. KDOC: 0.5 Hours/Week 12. KOCE: 0.5 Hours/Week *Broadcasts Asian-language newscasts produced locally at their studios. **Spanish Language Independent So in total, 299 hours of local news airs on 17 stations each week in the L.A. area. I think they win the award for most news in a market.Detroit-Windsor (weekly): WJBK/2 - 57:30 WDIV/4 - 34:25 WXYZ/7 - 34:25 CBET/9 - 5:50 WMYD/20 - 2:30 WKBD/50 - 0:00 WWJ/62 - 0:00 WJBK's morning show alone during the week makes up 5 hours 30 minutes a day. WDIV and WXYZ have exactly the same amount of news overall but their schedules are somewhat different WXYZ has a half hour at 7 PM while WDIV does not, for example. WMYD perhaps should not be included as it is my understanding their newscast doesn't even originate in Michigan. Windsor's CBET is also included here since its coverage area includes Detroit and its newscasts cover some Detroit news and sports Well, here in Honolulu.... KHON/2 (FOX) 27 hours KITV/4 (ABC) 32 hours KGMB/5 (CBS) 28.5 hours KFVE/9 (MyNet) 11 hours

KHNL/13 (NBC) 23.5 hours By default, KITV has the most news hours per week. However, because KGMB/KFVE/KHNL uses the same newscasts throughout the day, they would win hands down. Here in Portland Oregon KATU 2 (ABC) 430-7am M-F 4-530p M-F 6-7p M-F 11-1135p M-F 7-9a Wknd 5-530p Wknd 6-630p Sat 6-7p Sun 11-1135p Wknd KOIN 6 (CBS) 5-7a M-F 12n-1230p M-F 4-630p M-F 11-1135p M-F 6-630p Wknd 11-1135p Wknd KGW 8 (NBC) 5-7a M-F 12n-1p (1230-1p is repeat of 12n-1230p) M-F 5-530p M-F 6-730p M-F 11-1135p M-F 6-9a Wknd 5-530p Wknd (530-6p repeat of 5-530p) 11-1135p Wknd KPTV 12 (FOX) 5-9a M-F 11a-1130a M-F 4-6p M-F 10-1130p M-F 6-830a Sat 6-9a Sun 5-6p Wknd 10-11p wknd 49.5 hrs/wk KRCW 32 (CW) Produced by KGW-TV 10-1030p M-Su 3.5 hrs/wk KPDX 49 (MNT) Produced by KPTV 9-10a M-F 8-9p M-F

10 hrs/wk Indianapolis, IN WTTV 4 (CW) 1:30/day, 7:30/wk 4:30-6a (Simulcasts the first 90 minutes of WXIN's morning news...also runs WXIN's 10pm newscast when preempted by Fox programming) WRTV 6 (ABC) 4:35/day, 25:30/wk 5-7a, 12-12:30p, 5-5:30p, 6-6:30p, 7-7:30p, 11-11:35p WISH 8 (CBS) 4:35/day, 32:55/wk 5-7a, 12-12:30p, 5-6:30p, 11-11:35p (also runs a local entertainment program from 9-10a) WTHR 13 (NBC) 5:35/day, 36:25/wk 4:30a-7a, 12-1p, 5-6:30p, 11-11:35p WNDY 23 (My) 1:35/day, 9:05/wk 7-8a, 10-10:35p (Newscasts produced by sister station, WISH-TV) WXIN 59 (Fox) 7:30/day, 39:30/wk 4:30-10a, 4-5p, 10-11p This is the list of stations that have news and total numbers per week & this doesn't include network news: WBBM-TV: Monday - Friday 10 hours & 2 hours combined on Saturday & Sunday for the 5pm & 10 newscasts (that's only if no sports are airing during the 5-6pm timeslot for the 5pm news) = 12 hours total WMAQ: Monday - Friday 22.5 hours, only 1 hour on Saturday morning & 2 hours combined combined for 5pm & 10pm newscasts (only if no sports are airing during the 5-6pm timeslot) = 25.5 total WLS-TV: Monday - Friday 27.5 hours: Saturday: 1 hour for morning & 1 hour comined for 5pm & 10pm newscasts. Sunday Morning 2 1/2 hours & 1 hour combined for the 5pm & 10pm newscasts (only if no sports are airing during the 5pm timeslot) = 33 hours WGN-TV: Monday - Friday 40 hours (includes 4 hours of morning news, 2 hours midday, 1 hour at 5pm, & 1 hour at 9pm) & 2 hours combined for the 9pm only news on Saturday & Sunday. Total hours: 42 hours WFLD: Monday - Friday 35 hours & maybe 2 hours combined for 9pm only news on Saturday & Sunday = 37 hours. I don't remember if WFLD has news around 5pm on weekends as the TV guide is currently showing sports during the 5pm timeslot. As you can see, WBBM-TV has really cut back on news. They eliminated their morning newscast in favor of airing of some money show. WGN-TV has added the most news of all stations. One thing you have to say, stations in larger markets are going "overboard" in terms of news coverage, but since news programs are "cheaper" to produce than buying sydnicated shows, don't look for this trend to change anytime soon, you might see some smaller markets cut back some, especially with those "extended" newscasts on weekends. I would tend to agree - how much local news does a market really need? The #1 station in Toronto,

the largest market in Canada, only carries 15 hours 55 minutes of local news per week. About 25 or 30 years ago their news director said they were bucking the American trend of more and more local news because there really wasn't enough real news in one day to warrant hours and hours of coverage, and they wanted to avoid being repetitive. And at that time they only carried 7:25 a week of local news. Earlier this week on the Classic TV board, I was looking at a day's listings on a weekday morning in 1981, in which neither of the network affiliates had a local newscast during the morning hours. The city where these listings are from? Indianapolis. These days, I bet the stations there are starting newscasts at 4:30 AM, if not earlier! Fresno CA KMPH FOX 26 (34.5 hours per week) M-F 5-10AM, 11:30-12Noon, 10-11PM Sat 10-11PM Sun 10-11PM KSEE NBC 24 (32.5 hours a week) M-F 4:30-7AM, 12Noon-12:30, 4-4:30PM, 5-5:30PM, 6-7:30PM, 11-11:35PM Sat 6-6:30, 11-11:30 Sun 6-6:30, 11-11:30 KFSN ABC 30 (30.5 hours per week) M-F 4:30-7AM, 11-11:30AM, 5-5:30PM, 6-7PM, 11-11:35PM Sat 6-7AM, 6-6:30PM, 11-11:30PM Sun 6-7AM, 6-6:30PM, 11-11:30PM KPGE CBS 47 (25 hours per week) M-F 5-7AM, 12Noon-12:30PM, 5-5:30PM, 6-7PM, 11-11:35 Sat 6-6:30PM, 11-11:30PM Sun 6-6:30PM, 11-11:30PM Here in Milwaukee, quality doesn't normally equal quantity. WTMJ-TV Channel 4: 5-7am M-F 12-1pm M-F 3-4pm M-F 4-5pm M-F 5-5:30pm All Week 6-7pm M-F 10-10:35pm M-F 8-10am Saturday 6-6:30pm Saturday 10-10:29pm Saturday 6-7am Sunday 8-9am Sunday 10-11pm Sunday Total: 42 hours/week WITI-TV Channel 6:

4:30-9am M-F 11-12pm M-F 5-6pm M-F 6-6:30pm M-F 9-10pm All Week 10-10:35pm All Week Total: 45 hours, 35 minutes/week WISN-TV Channel 12: 5-7am M-F 5-5:30pm M-Saturday 6-6:30pm M-F 10-10:35pm M-F 5-6am Weekends 7-9am Weekends 5:30-6pm Sundays 6-7pm Saturdays 10-11pm Sundays Total: 26 hours, 35 minutes/week WDJT-TV Channel 58: 5-7am M-F 5-5:30pm M-Saturdays 10-10:35pm M-F 5:30-6pm Sundays Total: 20 hours, 35 minutes/week For the Philadelphia TV Stations: KYW-3(CBS): M-F 5-7 am Noon-12:30 pm 4-5 pm 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm Sat 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm Sun 6-9 am 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm WPVI-6(ABC): M-F 5-7 am Noon-12:30 pm 5-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm Sat 6-8 am 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm Sun 6-8 am 9-10:30 am Noon-1 pm 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm

WCAU-10(NBC): M-F 5-7 am 4-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm Sat 6-8 am 9-10 am 6-6:30 pm 11-11:30 pm Sun 6-8 am 9-10 am Noon-1 pm 6-6:30 pm 11-11:35 pm WTXF-29(Fox): M-F 4:30-10 am 11-11:30 am 5-6:30 pm 10-11 pm Sat 6-7 pm 10-11 pm Sun 6-7 pm 10-11 pm And technically, M-F WPSG has 7-9 a.m. from KYW; Mon.-Sun. 10-10:30 p.m. from KYW. WPHL has Mon.Sun. 10-10:30 from WCAU. In Seattle KOMO-4 (ABC) M-F 5-7 am 11am-12pm (on DT2 - This Seattle) 4-5:30 pm 6-7 pm 11-11:35 pm Sat 6-7am 8-9am 5-5:30pm 6-7pm 11-11:35pm Sun 6-7am 8-9:30am 5-5:30pm 6-7pm 11-11:35pm KING-5 (NBC) M-F 4:30-7 am 12-1 pm 5-6 pm 6:30-7pm

11-11:35pm Sat 6-10am 5-6 pm 6:30-7pm 11-11:35pm 7-9am 5-6pm 6:30-7pm 11-11:35 pm

Sun

KIRO-7 (CBS) M-F 4:30-7am 12-12:30pm 5-5:30pm 6-7pm 11-11:35pm Sat 7-8:30am 5-5:30pm 6-7pm 11-11:35pm Sun 5-5:30pm 6-7pm 11-11:35pm KCPQ-13 (Fox) M-F 4:30-10am M-Thurs. 10-11pm Fri. 10-10:30pm Sat-Sun 10-10:30 pm KONG-16 (Ind.) M-F 7-9am (produced by KING-5) 1-2 pm (Repeat of KING's Noon News) 10-11pm Produced By KING-5 Sat-Sun 10-10:30pm KMYQ-22 (My) (Produced By KCPQ) 9-10pm M-Thurs. 9-9:30 Fri. 9-9:30 Sat-Sun What justifies KIRO's not having local news on Sunday morning? They Air the whole 90 minutes Of CBS News Sunday Morning Followed By Face The Nation Portland, ME WGME 13: 24.5 hours WPFO 23: 16 hours (FOX 23 news is produced by WGME) 40.5 hours

WCSH 6: 31 WMTW 8: 23 Masters/CBS Evening News Was there an ET/CT feed of the CBS Evening News tonight (April 10)? Masters Golf coverage was scheduled to 7 ET and I believe it actually ran a few minutes over. Was there a shortened 'cast to 7:30 and/or a full one at 7:30 ET? I know they did the left coast feeds--I just saw a full show at 6 PT on KPHO-TV Phoenix. The breaks were all "PI spots" and the odd thing was a live(?) tag to his story by Bill Plante in front of the White House about ten minutes into the show. If it was live in the first coast feed at approx. 5:40 PT, it would have been dark in Washington at 8:40 ET (sunset at DCA was 7:39 tonight), but it was in sunlight, so the tag was either recorded earlier or there was an earlier feed for somewhere...Mountain? BTW, I checked two MT markets on zap2it.com (DEN and SLC) and neither CBS affil had a net newscast scheduled for today. There was no feed on the East Coast. My two local CBS affiliates went to "Wheel Of Fortune" (WFMY) and local news (WRAL) after golf coverage ended, and I'm sure WCBS went to "Entertainment Tonight." There will be no East Coast feed tonight, either. Coverage is scheduled to end at 7 (ET), followed by "60 Minutes," which, of course, will be shown in its entirety if golf runs past 7. Anyone notice how abruptly the Masters coverage ended? It ended with Phil Mickelson being congratulated by Jim Nantz for winning the Masters; that shot faded and led to a "CBS: America's Most Watched Network" bumper, followed by a couple of minutes of commercials, and then, "60 Minutes" started. No closing credits or anything. Mind you, this was about ten minutes past 7 PM ET. Mountain Time Zone network feeds Over the years, the question about whether separate network feeds exist for broadcast TV affiliates in the Mountain Time Zone has been brought up from time to time on this forum. I came across a posting on another forum that sheds some light on this topic: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11426833&postcount=1 Pretty good description. I worked at an ABC affiliate in the Mountain Time Zone and we had to record everything off of the Eastern Time Zone feed. That caused the occasional glitch; I'll never forget the night when someone forgot to roll tape on the second half hour of an hour-long drama in prime time! Station management begged ABC to allow us to run KUSA's feed live off the bird (they were ABC at the time) and they were denied. A big mea culpa ensued and the show was presented at 1:30 am local time for VCR taping. Wow. Total geekdom. (And I mean that in the nicest way.)

If the author of the article is a "girl tech" I'd marry her in a minute! Smiley ...someone forgot to roll tape on the second half hour of an hour-long drama in prime time! Station management begged ABC to allow us to run KUSA's feed live off the bird (they were ABC at the time) and they were denied. A big mea culpa ensued and the show was presented at 1:30 am local time for VCR taping. How did you fill the second half-hour, an hour later? And from where did you get the show for the 1:30 AM replay--left coast feed? Take into consideration that that posting is two and half years old. I work at the Great Falls, MT ABC affiliate and as of the end of January, they are providing a live HD feed to all their ABC affiliates out here. Prior to this, our master control (both prior to and after the company centralized master control at our Missoula sister station) tape-delayed the east coast feed for later broadcast. During the transition to centralization, if the overnight MC op forgot to flip the switch, we would occasionally air the first 5 minutes or so of "GMA" live at 5am MT before they swapped the feed to our replay of "America This Morning." When the switch happened, and for about a month afterwards, our ABC SD-feed monitor (which also displays text alerts from the network) was stuck on the last minute of an "All My Children" feed at the moment of the switch and scrolled a message alerting affiliates that as of a certain date and time (which I think was 1:27 PM EDT on January 29) ABC would no longer provide an SD feed to mountain time zone affiliates. It's my understanding, based on an article in the Great Falls Tribune shortly before the digital switch last summer, that CBS was already providing a live HD feed to their MTZ affiliates. One word: Slingbox. You can watch the eastern/central time feed as it airs (of course this requires either having a residence or knowing someone in the eastern or central time zone). And then you have Arizona, where everything is delayed at station-level for replay at local time during Daylight Saving Time (which began today). At least you have two chances to "ingest" (is that word used in the digital server world to replace "record"?) the incoming programming, for those networks with a Mountain zone feed. If it's any consolation, the Phoenix and Tucson (OK, Yuma too) CBS affils should be able to pick up the left coast feed for daytime, for the shows they air in pattern. They'll also have the 5:30 and 6 PM PT left coast feeds of Katie (same for ABC/NBC on the evening newsers). Getting back to Mountain Time Zone feeds in general, it would seem that CBS may now be the only holdout. Or maybe not. Can any techs from Mountain zone CBS affils give us the real scoop? How did you fill the second half-hour, an hour later? And from where did you get the show for the 1:30 AM replay--left coast feed? I was in a hurry and so failed to mention that the 1:30 AM replay was done several days later and

was mentioned on the news for those interested. The mistake was identified just as the master control operator went to change to tape spools - so about 8:25 pm MT (IIRC, it ran from 8-9 MT and was recorded from 7-8 MT). In other words, they didn't have the hour of lead time or they would have pre-empted the program. It was worse than that because they had already aired the first 30 minutes! What followed was a litany of the nastiest four letter words you've ever heard, lots of running up and down hallways and desperate scrambling. This was in about 1988, so the best that they could do initially was to air a station ID slide with a crawl about 'technical difficulties.' After the idea of rebroadcasting the KUSA feed was declined, all that was left to do was to air about 20 minutes of "Jeopardy" and call it a day. They taped the PT feed of the show in question (2 hours later) and that was aired at a later date. A very memorable evening. Grin I never understood why network programming wouldn't just solve the problem by making prime time at 8 Eastern and Mountain / 7 Central and Pacific. Two feeds. Live for every time zone. While stationed at Cannon AFB, Clovis, NM in the mid-to late 70's, the cable company took network affiliate feeds from Albuquerque, Lubbock and our home market, Amarillo. This enabled us (on MST/MDT, 10 miles from the CT boundary) to see network programming THREE times! For example, we'd see "CBS Evening News" at 1630 local (1730 CT, 1830 ET), again at 1730, and the MT feed at 1830 local. Regis & Kelly on NBC stations. I know for a fact that Regis & Kelly airing on NBC stations either run the 4th hr or not. In Sacto, KCRA-TV which ran the show since 1999 when KOVR dropped it airs Regis & Kelly at 9 AM and then delay the 3rd hr of today at 10 AM but do not air the 4th hr. Also most recently KGW-TV in Portland, OR airs 4 hrs. of the Today show and then Regis & Kelly at 11 AM, but this past year KATU-TV ABC picked up the showand airs at 11 AM, KTVB in Boise does carry the 4 hrrs and then Regis & Kelly at 11 AM MT. Does any other station in your area run Regis & Kelly slicing the 3-4 hrs of the Today Show? WHEC in Rochester NY runs Regis at 9, Today III at 10 and Today IV at 11...all in glorious SD, since they don't have the technical capability yet to take in syndicated HD or to delay network HD. KPNX Mesa (Phoenix market) runs Today 1-3 in pattern 7-10 AM MT, then Reege & Kel at 10, and Today hour 4 at 11. NBC in Providence tape delays Regis and Kelly for one hour and airs them at 10. Then airs the final hour of the today show at 11. Seems kind of silly. I would just air the 4 hours of the Today show Live and then Air Regis at 11. I know that WBAL airs R&K at 10 AM after the 3rd hr. and WYFF in Greensville, SC airs it at 9 AM with Today III at 10 AM. KTVB as I know does the Today 1-4 hrs. before R&K at 11 AM, a practice sister station KGW-TV did from '07-'09 (I know that KGW aired the show at 9 AM back from 19882005 before moving it to 10 AM and then 11 AM before KATU-TV Channel 2 runs it at 11 AM since at 9 AM they carry AM Northwest which used to be 1 hr, but got cut back to 1/2 hr so it can accompany WWTBAM? at 9:30 since Dr. Oz took it's 3 PM slot that WWTBAM once occupied. IMO, Portland, OR and Boise have some weird way of scheduling R&K since most if not all stations run it at 9 AM. For me, I watch R&K at 8 AM PT (9 AM MT) via KWGN-TV in Denver. Helena, Montana's KTVH-12 (nee..."Beartooth NBC") airs Regis and Kelly at 10 am, delaying the "Hoda & Kathie Lee Show" to 11 as does Tupelo, Mississippi's WTVA. Though until this fall they

were delaying "Hoda and KL" until 1:30pm. For anywhere but the east coast, I don't think it really matters what time slot Regis and Kelly airs as its going to be tape-delayed by default. When Regis and Kelly are live at 9am on the east coast, everywhere west of the Indiana/Illinois border to the Florida panhandle is airing either an hour of their network morning show (for CT it's the 2nd hour; MT, 1st hour), still in the last hour of local news (PT) or airing whatever it is they put on in the middle of the night (Alaska/Hawaii). I don't think any West Coast station does this, but If I owned a West Coast station I think I would air Regis and Kelly LIVE at 6 AM. Then kick off Network programming at 7. I admit that it would be unique, but I bet that a lot of West Coast people would love to watch the show LIVE. Plus it prevents any kind of scheduling conflict with the Today show on those NBC afffiliates. I've always hated for programming to be tape delayed. So I would change that. Who likes that idea? I'm curious. "R&K" live at 6 AM out West is thinking outside the box, I'll give you that; however, I would believe that most viewers would be accustomed to news/traffic/weather programming in that hour, with the type of show R&K does staying in the daytime hours. ...I watch R&K at 8 AM PT (9 AM MT) via KWGN-TV in Denver. How is you're able to watch KWGN if you're on the West Coast? Satellite? KWGN is one of the several "superstations" carried by Dish Network... I think even WWOR, the longtime-castrated superstation... WHEC in Rochester NY runs Regis at 9, Today III at 10 and Today IV at 11...all in glorious SD, since they don't have the technical capability yet to take in syndicated HD or to delay network HD. Question... Why wouldn't WHEC pick up the Central Time Zone Feed of Today III and IV? Doesn't NBC run a "Live" delay for each Time Zone (so that Today I airs at 7am local, in glorious HD?) I know that when GMA started in HD, ABC was short an "HD DVR" or two and Central Time stations only got the SD delayed feed, which has long since been fixed... Does NBC "hard code" the hour into the graphics, or is it a local insertion? Just another way to "Think outside the box", WHEC... Jim WESH airs R&K live at 9 AM then the 3rd and 4th hours of the Today show after it (in HD). WMGM 40 in Atlantic City used to air R&K. When Today show expanded to 3 hours, they moved Regis to 10AM. However IIRC Baltimore's WBAL 11 kept Regis at 9 but the 3rd hour of Today at 10. Baltimore always did things weird. When Today expanded to 4 hours, WMGM dropped Regis (it might have been WPVI didn't want WMGM airing it, and WMGM was dropped); WBAL moved Regis to 10am, and they don't air the last hour of Today at all. In Philadelphia, R&K used to air on WCAU 10, but IIRC, it was year after the conversion to an NBC affiliate, R&K moved to WPVI. At the time WPVI had dropped Donahue, experimented with Jenny Jones and Ricki Lake for a few years, and then picked up Regis and decided to stick to WABC's morning schedule ever since. I think it was a matter of time before WMGM lost Regis, whether

Today had expanded or not. In Baltimore, the situation is different, with WBAL, as Hearst can likely keep Regis as long they want. While its a benefit for Hearst to delay it, it doesn't benefit the show and viewers who are used to watching it at 9, but may have crossed counties are now stuck in Baltimore DMA. Airing a tapedelay show in an East coast market, Baltimore, with Baltimore being so close in distance to New York sucks. (It should be live). At 10, it's a little late morning, and one can't call in, for the question/prizes, if the show still does that. Yep, Dish carries KWGN-TV as one of their Superstation packages along with KTLA in Los Angeles, WPIX/WWOR in NYC/NJ and WSBK in Boston, MA. In addition, I watch the stations in LA (KABC), (KGO SF), and the National WGN (The Local WGN carries R&K at 9 AM in Chicago since it took the rights from WLS-TV in 2000.) In Boston: Regis and Kelly airs at 9am on WHDH followed by the 3rd and 4th hour of Today Show from 10-12. Im surprised that the show doesnt air on WCVB seeing as it is the ABC station and the highest rated local station. In Providence: Regis and Kelly airs at 10am on a one hour tape delay on WJAR sandwiched between the 3rd and 4th hour of Today. WIS in Columbia carries Regis and Kelly at 10am, delaying the 4th hour of Today to 11am. They've always done that. The ABC in Charleston carries them at 9am. WYFF, as others said, carries it at 9am, delaying the third hour of Today (no 4th hour). The Fox in Myrtle Beach carries them, not in HD, at 9am. KXAN (Austin, Texas) airs Regis & Kelly at 9a, then carries thte last two hours of Today from 10a12p, leading into their noon newscast. Also, for the person asking, the time and temperature on the network morning shows are placed there by your local station, not the network. KNVN -- the Chico CA NBC affiliate -- airs Regis+KellyLee @9AM. Then TodayHour3 @10AM and TodayHodaKathieLee @11AM. Then its InfoMercials @NOON, Days of Our Lives, then capped off with the Female Trifecta: Rachael, Ellen, Oprah. Yay, life in Market #130. zzzzzzzz WXII Winston-Salem splits the Today show; Regis & Kelly are on at 9, then Today continues from 10 to noon. BTW, WXII is a sister station to WESH, WYFF, and WBAL. Same goes with KCRA and KSBW though KSBW doesn't air R&K, it's on former Clear Channel now Cowles owned KION 46 at 9 AM An update from Rochester: evidently I hadn't watched Today III/IV in a while, because I have it on now and WHEC is indeed carrying it in HD, presumably off the Central Time feed. Why doesn't WJAR carry Regis and Kelly, Ellen, and Oprah in HD. They likely do not have the equipment to capture the HD feeds for later broadcast.

I'm not totally sure, but I think the syndicated rights for the HD feed of the show maybe an extra cost...where some station groups are being cheapskates about it and not picking it up, or another station within a nearby distance has the rights, and is precluding the station from attaining them.I think the latter is less likely. R&K at 10am is happening in Providence and Baltimore, two markets that are shadowed by larger markets. I remember WJZ 13 (CBS) got away with not airing the first hour of CBS Early Show, possibly justified between CBS and its owned station, on the basis that if somebody in Baltimore really wanted to see it, they could use an antenna and watch WUSA. But other east coast CBS stations (including the O&Os) didn't dump the first hour, and probably weren't permitted, even if the ratings weren't good, and local news could do better. CBS eventually ended the practice (likely because affiliates would claim unfair and would start doing the same), and WJZ now airs the full 2 hours. WWLP Channel 22 in Springfield, Mass lost the rights to R&K on August 24th, 2009. They carried R&K 9-10. Then The Today show aired after R&K, but I don't remember if it was the 3rd & 4th hour or just the 4th. R&L know airs on CBS TV 3 WSHM-LP/67. WSHM-LP runs R&K Live at 9AM and airs The 700 Club at 10AM. The 700 Club had been airing at 9AM. (The 700 Club is a hold-over from when WSHM-LP was a TBN O&O). Better Springfield (which has no local inserts got bounced from 10AM to 6AM). On another note with WWLP - someone wanna tell me why they think an Infomercial and a rerun of Friends is a good lead-in to their 12PM News? And why they think airing infomercials 2PM-3PM is a good idea? Helena, Montana's KTVH-12 (nee..."Beartooth NBC") airs Regis and Kelly at 10 am, delaying the "Hoda & Kathie Lee Show" to 11 as does Tupelo, Mississippi's WTVA. Though until this fall they were delaying "Hoda and KL" until 1:30pm. For anywhere but the east coast, I don't think it really matters what time slot Regis and Kelly airs as its going to be tape-delayed by default. When Regis and Kelly are live at 9am on the east coast, everywhere west of the Indiana/Illinois border to the Florida panhandle is airing either an hour of their network morning show (for CT it's the 2nd hour; MT, 1st hour), still in the last hour of local news (PT) or airing whatever it is they put on in the middle of the night (Alaska/Hawaii). KECI In Missoula as well as the Kalispell and Butte/Bozeman NBC Stations also air Regis and Kelly at 10 am as well but air "Hoda and Kathie Lee" At Noon Martha Stewart Airs at 11 Let's Make a Deal to 10AM in Hartford Channel 3 WFSB in Hartford will be moving Let's Make a Deal to the 10AM timeslot beginning March 29th. The local talk show Better Connecticut moves to 3PM. http://www.courant.com/entertainment/celebrity/java/hc-nujavatv0226.artfeb26,0,4663722.column Let's Make a Deal doesn't stand a chance in the ratings at 10AM against Rachael Ray on ABC, The Today Show on NBC, or Dr. OZ on FOX. I think the question at 10AM is which will garner higher ratings in Hartford? Let's Make a Deal on CBS The Live Catholic Mass/Everyone Hates Chris on The CW Kenneth Copeland's Church Program/Infomercial on My Network TV

I figured this was coming; it puts LMAD in the morning in every market from Boston to Richmond (WBZ, WPRI, WFSB, WCBS, KYW, WJZ, WUSA, WTVR); throw in Pittsburgh, Albany, Scranton, Harrisburg, and Portland, ME, and you have a pretty good chunk of the Northeast running LMAD at 10. But how does LMAD fare against Rachael Ray in New York and Philadelphia? I think CBS is going to fight these battles one at a time - first, worry about beating "Today Extra" on NBC, then concentrate on RR... You might also know that KOVR in Sacramento, KCBS in LA, KOIN in Portland and KLAS in Las Vegas run LMAD at 9 AM on the West Coast. Most of the others run at 2 PM PT. LMAD airtimes on various MT stations: 10:00 AM KRQE Albuquerque 1:00 PM KUTV Salt Lake City (OT but...why does KUTV still run ATWT day behind at 11 AM?) 2:00 PM KPHO-TV Phoenix KOLD-TV Tucson KCNC-TV Denver KKTV Colorado Springs KDBC-TV El Paso KBOI-TV Boise (KBCI-TV now back to original KBOI-TV calls as of 02/01/10) Source: zap2it.com for 03/03/10 "The View" to move to Syndication Here's the source: http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1206019864/m/286100073 The article only says that ABC is considering moving The View to Syndication. It's not official that it's going to syndication yet. I have read on another site that many ABC affiliates are against The View going to Syndication. That's because they would have to bid on the show instead of getting the show from ABC like they do now. I could care less as I'm not the type of person who would watch that show regularly. I don't know what WLS-TV would do with their 9am slot, as that's the time slot they air Oprah, along with the 11:05pm time slot for the re-broadcast of Oprah (instead of Jimmy Kimmel, like other ABC stations do). I don't see the problem. Doesn't "The View" air at 10 AM on WLS? I don't watch "The View" and in fact, I actually watched it for the first time yesterday during a commercial break of "The Price is Right," and was wondering, is "The View" broadcast live, or is it

"taped" a day or couple hours before? I believe "The View" is recorded live, if not just hours before it is shown that same day on ABC. Excuse me..... Wasn't ABC paying attention to the Leno/Conan fiasco?Huh? Hello, ABC take note and leave well enough alone!!!! Many ABC owned stations will have a hole in their daytime lineup after Oprah leaves. WABC, WPVI and WTVD could move Rachael Ray to Oprah's old slot, launch something new, do news, or move The View to 4. If the latter is done, the show is now longer aired live in New York. If it goes syndicated, Disney would likely have to reduce using it as a plug for its stuff like 'All My Children' or Disney World. If syndicated, I'd think Disney would offer all ABC stations the show the equivalent of a right of first refusal to keep it initially. However, in the long run, Disney-ABC Domestic Television (formerly Buena Vista) may be able to make more money if stations were bidding for this show, if the show stays on top, and the show transfers to the top stations. So, say in Baltimore, where WBAL 11 (NBC) is a stronger station than WMAR 2 (ABC), and WBAL has Oprah rights, Disney may want the stronger station WBAL to pick up the show, but WMAR should have the right to keep it, atleast for a number of years. WBAL would most likely just move Ellen to 4. It would also give markets without real ABC stations, like Monterey CA, a clearance for the show. I don't see the problem. Doesn't "The View" air at 10 AM on WLS? It does air at 10am. The real problem would be the 9am slot when Oprah ends her show. Depending on how much longer local WGN carries Regis & Kelly (let alone Regis still hosting in 2012), Disney-ABC surely could shift that show back to WLS. Either that, or they could put Millionaire on WLS at 9am. It would be interesting to see if WLS-TV were to actually carry Live with Regis & Kelly in the morning. Whenever WLS-TV did carry the program (under Live with Regis & Kathie Lee), they refused to move another program in the morning or afternoon to carry this program. Instead, Live was on in the overnight hours. From my understanding, WLS-TV is the only ABC O&O that hasn't been willing to carry Live with Regis & Kelly (also Live with Regis & Kathie Lee) in the morning or afternoon. For the daytime hours, I remember WBBM-TV & WGN-TV (current station carrying it) have carried it in the morning. For now, they're not moving any of their programming from 9am 4pm, as it does well for them in the ratings. That includes the following schedule Monday - Friday: 9am: Oprah (since 1986, and before that, was AM Chicago) 10am: The View 11am: ABC7 News 12pm: All My Children 1pm: One Live To Live 2pm: General Hospital 3:pm Inside Edition 3:30pm Jeopardy (same timeslot since 1984, when it came back on in syndication) 4-6:30pm also won't change as that's all news, including the 5:30pm - 6pm timeslot for ABC Nightly News. They're not giving up the 6:30 timeslot either, as Wheel of Fortune has done well in that timeslot since 1984 (when the syndicated version went on the air). Now I don't know if Who Wants To Be A Millionaire would move to WLS-TV or not. I'm not aware of a network version on the air right now. Also, unless the syndicator of the program thinks WLS-TV

would be the stronger station to carry the program, don't look for WGN-TV to drop it. WGN-TV may have to look for other programming for their 3-5pm time slots, should they decide not to air The Best of Tyra this fall. This has been talked about for several weeks. Last I heard it was ABC primarily interested in figuring out if they could create an afternoon version of the View to fill the Oprah slot on many affiliates. The affiliates made it clear they do not want the morning version to move or go to syndication. If ABC is going to do anything, it will create another version of the View for the afternoon. That's it. I don't watch "The View" and in fact, I actually watched it for the first time yesterday during a commercial break of "The Price is Right," and was wondering, is "The View" broadcast live, or is it "taped" a day or couple hours before? I believe it's live Eastern, probably on a 7 second delay. When Whoopi Goldberg had a radio show, I remember her saying a couple of times she was coming right from being on radio to doing her View moderator job. Taped local newscasts Since NFL playoff games tend to run later than regular-season games, it got me thinking: how many local stations tape their late newscasts on nights when they get bumped back by say, an hour or more? I would think most stations wouldn't tend to do this because of live shots, breaking news, etc. But if it gets super late I could understand taping it. The baseball play-offs always run long. FOX 61 here in Hartford ran their 11PM News at the conclusion of FOX's coverage of the game and post game wrap up. The news ended at 12:30AM and they said "See you back here in 4 hours." FOX 61s morning newscast airs at 430AM. Airing a newscast on tape/server is strictly small market. But I wouldn't be surprised if it happened more often as a way to trim cost (particularly overtime after a long sporting event). Back in the dark ages when I worked at an ABC affiliate, we had to wait until the end of Monday Night Football and never, ever, taped a late local newscast. I'd have to agree with TheRob on this one in that I could see a small-market (bush league) station pulling something like this - but any medium to large market station does this at their own peril. Taping a newscast without clearly identifying it as such is a recipe for damage to a station's credibility. On the other hand, many (perhaps even most) early morning sportscasts are clearly taped the night before - usually after the late local news. And they rarely admit to that. And, also, many reports/in-studio consumer segments/etc. are taped but they make it "seem" live by using the anchor's name or something. I caught Seattle affiliate KING running taped hours of their 4-hour long Saturday morning newscast about 15 years ago. I watched the 6am hour and the anchor made a blunder during the newscast and reacted in a very unusual manner. I went out, came back for the 9am hour, and the anchor made the exact same blunder at the exact same time (minutes past the hour) and reacted in the exact same very unusual manner. Trust me, this wasn't some strange coincidence! I confirmed with a friend who worked at KING that, yes, they did tape 2 hours of the newscast and repeat them. However, they did live weather cut-ins which were conveniently separated by commercials (i.e. when we come back, John Miller will have the latest forecast. Then, they come back directly to John. When John finishes, they go to another commercial break.)

There's only one station I am aware of that does this on a daily basis: Fisher Broadcasting's KLEW-3-CBS Lewiston, ID (the secondary CBS affiliate in the Spokane, WA DMA). They run a 5pm and 6pm newscast live, then rerun the 6 again at 11pm. I considered sending my resume tape to them, back in the spring, when they had an opening for a meteorologist/weather anchor, but decided against it...primarily for that reason. The station I work for feeds a pre-taped weather and sports segment (titled 10@10 on ABC Montana, the rest of the time slot is filled with "Two and a Half Men") to our sister stations in Missoula/Kalispell and Butte/Bozeman. We tape the intros and sign-offs after the 6pm in Great Falls, but wait until around 9:15 or 9:30 to tape and feed the main segments (including weather). I also pre-tape the morning weather cut-ins to air on during GMA Monday thru Friday. The only time I am aware that we pre-taped our late newscast in Great Falls was on the Saturday evening we had scheduled our Christmas party. I will agree that a lot of small market stations could get by with a pre-taped late newscast, if they felt the need. Our 10pm newscast is generally a re-rack of our earlier shows...though on occasion we do have "late-breaking" news to add to it. Since September, when we expanded to a 5-6-10 line-up (from the market-traditional 5:30-10 line-up) we do go more "in-depth" at 10pm, usually on the story filed by our 10pm anchor/nightside repoter, to give that show a little extra. The station I work for feeds a pre-taped weather and sports segment (titled 10@10 on ABC Montana...(snip)...Since September, when we expanded to a 5-6-10 line-up (from the markettraditional 5:30-10 line-up)... When your local was at 5:30 and 10, was ABC News aired at 5 (second NYC feed)? I noticed prime time was 7-10 MT--how do you delay the network? Tape? Digital delay server? Microwave feed from another market, such as Boise or SLC? WYIN-DT tapes their news before they air it. Their news is low budget with only 1 anchor for the general news, a meteorologist, and a sports anchor. All on-site news is also taped in advance, as they don't have the money to do the news live. For those who don't live in South Chicagoland/NW Indiana, WYIN-DT is the PBS station that serves NW Indiana, and they don't have the budget to run their news like the 5 network stations in Chicago can run their news. Plus, their news serves NW Indiana more than it does for Chicagoland. As for other stations, only NBC & ABC tape the 10pm news to reair it at 1:05am. WGN tapes the noon - 1pm portion of the mid-day news to re-air it on CLTV, Tribune Company's Chicago area cable channel, along with taping the 9pm news to re-air it at 11pm on CLTV. Here in Lansing,Michigan , The NBC affiliate produced WSYM FOX47NEWS at 10 is taped should a sports event or awards show goes beyond 10pm The station I work for feeds a pre-taped weather and sports segment (titled 10@10 on ABC Montana...(snip)...Since September, when we expanded to a 5-6-10 line-up (from the markettraditional 5:30-10 line-up)... When your local was at 5:30 and 10, was ABC News aired at 5 (second NYC feed)? I noticed prime time was 7-10 MT--how do you delay the network? Tape? Digital delay server? Microwave feed from another market, such as Boise or SLC? Yes, we aired "World News" at 5pm (the 7 ET live feed, which I believe is what we delay to 5:30 now). As far as I know, most stations in the mountain time zone air primetime from 7 -10pm. I

honestly couldn't tell you how that is done, though! I will say that if there is a live news and/or sporting event beginning at 8 on the east coast, it usually blows out our 6pm hour. The only time I have seen a station in the Number 1 market - i.e. New York - run a pre-recorded newscast, was WNYW/Fox 5, on a Saturday night/Sunday morning back in 2008 following a baseball playoff game that ended at just around 2 AM; the game started after a long rain delay. I don't blame Fox for pre-taping the newscast that night. Sometimes Fox Providence runs their 10PM on delay after a game runs late. Could they put it on WNAC-D2, or join in progress? I know WFSB runs the 11pm news rerun at approx 2am,if i'm awake ,i will tune in. Movies Replacing Network Programming Moments ago, I learned WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida pre-empted ABC's programming between 7:00 PM and 9:00 PM last night to air the movie "Noel", which was released in 2004. The Mobile Press-Register did not have the movie in the TV listings. WEAR-TV has pre-empted network programming this way in the past. Does one of your local stations have similar programming practices? ...I'd be furious. ABC has some great stuff on a Wednesday night. Two words....modern family. Maybe the good folks in NW Florida don't agree. Sometimes, but it's usually for infomercials i.e. St. Jude's Hospital. Like they can't show that any other time of the day. That hasn't happened in Chicago, since the networks own the stations. So that sounds like something that affiliates might do. The closest that WGN-TV does is pre-empt CW programming on some nights to air sports programming. They'll air any pre-empted shows either in the overnight hours, or on the weekend (if there isn't any sports programming on Saturday & Sunday evenings as well). I know WGN prefers to air sports programming that they own, instead of having to pay WCIU to air it. In San Francisco, all of the stations except Fox are O&Os - so no, it doesn't happen. anymore. NBC Bay Area (KNTV) now has the contract for the SF Giants, so they'll prempt network progamming for baseball, but that's it. Years ago, when Westinghouse owned KPIX (CBS), the station was infamous for pre-empting network programming...especially threatrical movies that management deemed too violent. For example, in the late 70s, KPIX pre-empted the network TV premiere of the Charles Bronson film Death Wish. KRON, then owned by the San Farncisco Chronicle, and an NBC affiliate, was also somewhat notorious for pre-empting network shows, although they didn't do it often until the late '80s/early '90s. The independent KOFY channel 20 cleared many CBS, and later NBC, shows that the two affiliates pre-empted. That's right - and if I remember correctly, KBHK 44 (then an indy) cleared Death Wish when KPIX refused it, so Bay Area viewers got to see the film anyway. All KPIX really accomplished was to make a statement about violent movies being inappropriate, but I guess Westinghouse management felt strongly about the issue at the time.

If I remember correctly, KICU clears the NBC programming when KNTV is running baseball, which is interesting considering they do the same for Fox programs from sister station KTVU. Reading on a couple other boards, I think even on the Texas TV board here, there was a bit of an uproar most recently that WFAA, Dallas-Fort Worth's ABC affiliate, delayed the initial airings of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and "Disney's Prep and Landing" back on December 8th, airing them overnight that following Saturday. WSB-TV/Atlanta preempts for about an hour 2 to 3 times a month for local programming, but not movies. Preempted programming is shown at 2:05 AM. Since WSB-TV is a top performer, the network lets them get away with it. Around 2000, WGCL did preempt the network movie many times in favor of a local one. One time, CBS' showing of "Vegas Vacation" was preempted by WGCL in favor of "Ghostbusters II". At one point, they were about as bad as WSB-TV. This practice has since stopped, and WGCL generally clears everything (As a poor performer, they don't have as much clout...although CBS' options in Atlanta are few). WXIA only preempts on Saturday nights about twice a year or so, as well as for Falcons preseason (NBC is shifted to sister WATL). WAGA (Fox O&O) never preempts (search on this board about WAGA and WXIA's preemption scares in the past). WEAR-TV is owned by ultra-conservative Sinclair, and is located in an ultra-conservative market. Do the math. Any CBS affiliate that pre-empts Tuesday at 8/7 Central shall have its affiliation immediately revoked. Wink There wouldn't be one dumb enough to do this, would there? I recall former NBC affiliate (now CBS O&O) WBZ-TV refused to air "Dirty Harry" starring Clint Eastwood. Instead, WBZ-TV aired some cheesy thriller movie with Joan Crawford ("Mother Dearest"). I recall the disclaimer quite well...... "Because of mature subject matter, the movie "Dirty Harry" will NOT be aired this evening......". Fortunately, most NBC viewers in Greater Boston were able to watch "Dirty Harry" on Channel 10 (WJAR-TV), in Providence with no trouble at all. Westinghouse had a tendency to ban such movies on their O&O TV stations. I recall a couple years ago that KPHO-TV Phoenix pre-empted an hour of CBS Sunday night prime time for two infomercials (unfortunately, it wasn't Viva Laughlin that was pulled! Grin), including one from the infamous Kevin Trudeau. I couldn't see any station go lower than that for some extra advertising revenue. Milwaukee used to be a heavy market for pre-emptions, with every station except for WITI in the 80's when it was CBS doing pre-emptions, with the most infamous being WTMJ/NBC leaving "The Tonight Show" to indie WVTV, which had to be a major insult to Johnny Carson (and which regularly creamed "Trapper John" repeats on TMJ). Now the only time the other stations participate in pre-emptions? ESPN/NFL Network Packer games (the market is free of sports pre-emptions due to FSN Wisconsin and indie WMLW cornering the entire sports market), and maybe a few local specials here and there in which only repeats are pre-empted (or 'special' news broadcasts which are only special in the Nielsen sense of avoiding complete annihilation by Packers broadcasts in the sweeps books). But WTMJ still does it, especially on Saturday nights. Awful mid-1990's TV movies air instead of NBC's rerun block, or even worse, infomercials for Time-Life. During the football season, they would even cut off the Notre Dame alma mater and postgame show to race to their newscast in order to get to the informercials faster. They also pre-empted all of "Face the Ace" either because it was a bomb in the making or they knew anything, even an infomercial would get better ratings.

Reading on a couple other boards, I think even on the Texas TV board here, there was a bit of an uproar most recently that WFAA, Dallas-Fort Worth's ABC affiliate, delayed the initial airings of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and "Disney's Prep and Landing" back on December 8th, airing them overnight that following Saturday. Boy, Charlie Brown just can't get a break in DFW. First, getting pushed back a week due to President Obama, and now this! Good grief! Cheesy UPDATE: Apparently, this same movie aired this evening on WGCL here in Atlanta, bumping CBS primetime to overnights. The CBS Atlanta local time/temp/logo bug was present, so it wasn't bought time. I think this may be a syndicated offering linked to a charity or religious organization. I remember a couple of years ago with another movie this was the case. It is produced by an Atlanta based company called Convex Group, which holds various technology patents. "Noel" was famous for the launch of disposable DVDs that become unplayable after 48 hours after opening the package. "Frosty the Snowman" and "Frosty Returns" aired at 8:00 PM and 8:30 PM on WGCL-TV in that order. "Medium" and "Numb3rds" will air between 1:35 AM and 3:35 AM. small markets (#50-210) doing 4:30-7:00 AM newscasts While we're on the subject of big market newscasts that start their news as early as 4 or 4:30 AM in the morning, is it possible that the the small markets (#50-#210), except for Las Vegas, are doing it now? I bet some of them are doing it right away. I know for years Las Vegas had been below market #50 until 2000 (actually a top #50 market now) that has two newscasts start at 4:30 AM on KVBC & KLAS. Could there be more on the way? Let me know about this. Tyler/Longview: KLTV/7 (ABC), KTRE/9 (ABC), and KETK/56 (NBC) start at 5a; KYTX/19 (CBS) starts at 5:30a Amarillo: KAMR/4 (NBC), KVII/7 (ABC), KFDA/10 (CBS) all start at 5:30a I'm gonna change this up slightly. How many stations in all markets (not just small ones) start news at 430AM? In Hartford the only one doing this is FOX 61 (now FOX CT). They're on 430AM-9AM. And they don't do well in the ratings at all. FOX 61's sister station in NYC PIX-11 also comes on at 430AM with news going til 9AM as well. Big markets are starting at 4:30a because a large portion of the audience has to deal with lengthy commutes. Many people want to be on the road before 5:30a so they're not sitting in traffic for twoplus hours. Here in Houston (where three stations start their news at 4:30a) many people will head into the central city (or near their work destination) at an early hour, then work out at a gym, have breakfast with friends/colleagues, or go jogging before finally getting to work...all to avoid traffic. There is less reason for small markets to start so early as commute times are short (perhaps just a few minutes over a short distance.) Some years back when I lived in a city of 150,000 there was no one on the road before 7:00am, and you didn't see any significant traffic until 7:30. Virtually everyone was asleep until 6:00am or later. In Phoenix, we have two stations which start at 4:30am: KPHO (CBS 5 Morning News) and KTVK (Good Morning Arizona). A few months ago, there was a rumor that ABC 15 was going to start a newscast at 4am, but that has not marterialized. Our Fox affiliate runs a 5 hour morning show

(from 5am-10am) now. Slightly off topic, but is there anyone, anywhere that starts before 4 AM? The earliest I can find is KNBC L.A. with a 4 AM cast. On Las Vegas, a little different type of market with lots of overnight shift workers. Probably effects viewing habits. ...in #68 Tucson, everybody -- KVOA/v4 (NBC), KGUN-TV/9 (ABC), KMSB/11 (Fox, but relays the morning newser of the co-owned indie in Phoenix, KTVK/v3) and KOLD-TV/v13 -- starts at 5:00. v4, 9 and v13 all carry their networks' respective early news half-hours at 4:30... If we're talking all markets, Nashville's CBS affiliate, WTVF/5, has a 4:30 AM newscast; the ABC affiliate, WKRN/2, starts just after 4 AM with "News 2 Early Morning." I think, but am not sure, that WSMV/4 (NBC) also has a 4:30 AM newscast. The three stations' early-morning news blocks continue until 7. Here in DMA #7 (Atlanta), nobody starts early news until 5 AM. That is despite having the worst traffic in the country. Nobody has made an attempt to go early. Smaller markets are beating us to the punch. Usually...once one station starts doing something, the others tend to follow for obvious reasons. That is the reason once one station starts going earlier...the others will follow. In Missoula which I think is #165 both KPAX and KECI start their news at 5:30 KTMF on the other hand doesn't have a news operation Here in DMA #7 (Atlanta), nobody starts early news until 5 AM. That is despite having the worst traffic in the country. I thought that (dis)honor went to Los Angeles? I don't know whose is worse but Atlanta's is bad enough, so much so that on the rare occasions I go there anymore I start tensing up about 30-40 miles out. But to get back on-topic, I'm also surprised that there's not a 4:30 AM newscast in Atlanta. WAGA (Fox) would be in the best position to go with it first, since WSB (ABC), WXIA (NBC), and WGCL (CBS) are all carrying their networks' early-morning newscasts at that time. I mentioned Nashville having pre-5 AM local news, but because that's Central time, it's possible for the networks' early-morning news to air at 3:30 AM there; I don't know if they do, since I didn't check. CBS's may air at 4 AM (Central) but again, don't quote me. I think WKRN may pre-empt "America This Morning" and go right into its local news around 4:05 AM. I know Atlanta has bad traffic and I don't even live there. I listen to Kim Komando every Sunday Night on WSBRADIO.COM and on their local news, there's not a Sunday night that goes by where they're not talking about fatal accidents on the highways or multiple car pile-ups. If we're talking all markets, Nashville's CBS affiliate, WTVF/5, has a 4:30 AM newscast; the ABC affiliate, WKRN/2, starts just after 4 AM with "News 2 Early Morning." I think, but am not sure, that WSMV/4 (NBC) also has a 4:30 AM newscast.

The three stations' early-morning news blocks continue until 7. One of the three (I think it's channel 5) makes a big deal out of starting their early morning newscast at the rather unusual time of 4:24 a.m. Not sure what the deal is there, unless it is an attempt to jump the gun on the others. I believe channel 4 eventually went to a 4:00 a.m. start, but I'm not sure if they are still doing that. Our FOX affiliate, WZTV-Fox 17, has an all-live, all-local morning show from 5:00-9:00 a.m. every morning. But yes, that does include some "fluff" segments. One of the three (I think it's channel 5) makes a big deal out of starting their early morning newscast at the rather unusual time of 4:24 a.m. 4:24 AM? You'd think the station would be Channel 4? If we're talking all markets, Nashville's CBS affiliate, WTVF/5, has a 4:30 AM newscast; the ABC affiliate, WKRN/2, starts just after 4 AM with "News 2 Early Morning." I think, but am not sure, that WSMV/4 (NBC) also has a 4:30 AM newscast. The three stations' early-morning news blocks continue until 7. One of the three (I think it's channel 5) makes a big deal out of starting their early morning newscast at the rather unusual time of 4:24 a.m. Not sure what the deal is there, unless it is an attempt to jump the gun on the others. I believe channel 4 eventually went to a 4:00 a.m. start, but I'm not sure if they are still doing that. Our FOX affiliate, WZTV-Fox 17, has an all-live, all-local morning show from 5:00-9:00 a.m. every morning. But yes, that does include some "fluff" segments. WGHP/Fox 8 also has a local morning show from 5-9 AM, probably much like WZTV's. And WFMY/2 starts its "Good Morning Show" at about 4:55 AM, cutting off the last five minutes of the "CBS Morning News." It stays on until 8, then "The Early Show" airs on a one-hour delay. In Missoula which I think is #165 both KPAX and KECI start their news at 5:30 KTMF on the other hand doesn't have a news operation No..but they do have a morning meteorologist...me LOL. Actually I work out of Great Falls sister station KFBB-5, and pre-tape segments that air during "Good Morning America." Evansville, Indiana's NBC WFIE-14 (#101) has had a 4:30am newscast since the early part of this decade...long before some of the larger markets. As for Nashville, I interned with morning meteorologist Jeff Ray on "News 2 This Morning" during summer 2008 and their newscast starts right at 4am..they go right from "World News Now" into local news. At the time I was interning, WSMV was the only one competing with us until 4:30 when WTVF began (they aired "CBS Morning News" at 4). You know, WFMY still airs "The Andy Griffith Show" every day at 5:30 PM. The time will come where the station will move the show out of that timeslot, in favor of another newscast, or whatever. Maybe they can move it to 4:25 AM. Smiley I know you're joking but at one point in the '70s WFMY did carry the CBS Morning News followed by the second feed of Captain Kangaroo. Didn't work. WNCT Greenville, NC, was much more successful at that; it ran CBS News at 8 and Captain at 9 for years, going back to the late '60s.

As for Andy ever leaving the 5:30 PM slot, don't hold your breath. He beats the newscasts on WGHP and WXII. What city are these in? I'm guessing central time zone by what you posted here. Amazes me how some of you can keep track of television programming in almost every city in the country! Channel 5 used to do a strange mix of local news and CBS programming during the 7:00 a.m. hour (and I don't mean just the updates at :25 and :55) until CBS objected to it. Now it's all CBS during the 7:00 a.m. hour (save for those :25 and :55 updates) and their local newscast has moved over to Newschannel 5+ (subchannel 5.2) during that hour. Nashville is in the Central time zone; Greensboro/ Winston-Salem/High Point and Greenville/New Bern/ Washington are in the Eastern. CBS used to allow its affiliates to mix local and network segments the way you're talking about on WTVF; Louisville's WLKY did the same thing, carrying only the second hour of "The Early Show" in its entirety. And you're right that CBS stopped the practice and affiliates have to take the full two hours now. I meant to mention this in my last post - From working at an ABC affiliate (that unfortunately has no morning newscast, but does provide live weather during GMA) I know that the network allows its affiliates to cut-off the last five minutes of "America This Morning" to begin their newscast. In fact, right before the last commerical of ATM, the anchors sign-off thusly: "For many of you, your local news is next. For everyone else, 'America This Morning' continues." I imagine that CBS has a similar set-up to allow their affils to start five minutes early if they choose, or drop in a morning update prior to the start of "The Early Show." I've caught that sign-off on ABC; WTVD (an o&o) takes advantage of it to get into their morning "Eyewitness News" and get a jump on WRAL, which carries the "CBS Morning News" in its entirety. WFMY, OTOH, cuts out and goes to its local show when Michelle identifies herself and says, "and this is the CBS Morning News." We do them here in Lubbock. Did 5-7 at KLBK and KAMC years ago! Was a pain in the arse getting up that early though... KSEE 24 in Fresno is doing the Fresno's only 4:30 AM Newscast which aired since 2007. They also have recently aired a 7 PM Newscast to complimate their 6-7 slots. KFSN Channel 30 is the other, but KFSN seems to be winning over KSEE but KSEE's news is getting a bit tight. They also have John Young as their voiceover since John Young recently on KSEE's sister station KOFY-TV in San Fran. Previously, KSEE had Scott Chapin until January 2009. World Turns Replacement: Nancy Grace ?!!? Nancy Grace has a new talk show coming up for fall of 2010 being produced by CBS Productions. As it's unlikely that CBS will be turning over the timeslot back to affliates, rumor has it that CBS will simply replace As the World Turns by having Nancy Grace's new show in the slot, thus airing on most or all CBS stations.

"Swift Justice with Nancy Grace" has already been sold to stations, including some in the Fox O&O group. While some CBS affiliate and owned stations will air the program, it will not be a network program. (http://www.cbstvd.com/press_release_detail.aspx?newsID=127). She'd have a deal similar to that of her new HLN colleague Joy Behar: an hour of broadcast TV during the day, an hour of cable news at night. Could that mean a multiple morning/afternoon feed of whatever goes in at 2? The o&os that carry "Let's Make A Deal" in the morning do so at 10 Eastern/9 Central and Pacific (however, there is that 9 AM Eastern feed of "Deal" but possibly those stations could be persuaded to move it to 10), so let's say CBS puts a game show at 2. New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Detroit, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore could carry the game show at 9 and Nancy Grace at 2; Chicago, Los Angeles, and Sacramento could carry the game show at 1 and Nancy Grace sometime after that. Thoughts? They're not going to add Nancy Grace and game shows. In Philly, at least, Dr. Oz occipies the 9 am slot, so while the idea of game moving there if offered by CBS makes sense, the only way it works is that Dr Oz moves to 2. Unless the ratings suddenly tank, it's likely he's not going away. No one's mentioned where--in those cities where both CBS and Fox have o&os--Nancy Grace will be. If WTXF carries her in Philadelphia and if CBS puts a game at 2, KYW could opt out of any morning game-show feed and simply replace "ATWT" with the new show; otherwise, your scenario is probably what would happen. But then again, CBS hasn't said what's going into the 2 PM slot nor has it said anything about multiple feeds; my hypothetical is based on the fact that "Let's Make A Deal" is on in the morning and Dr. Phil at 3 on many of those CBS o&os (just as "Guiding Light" was on in the morning), so why not the same thing at 2, only with a different game show and Nancy Grace? OTOH, if CBS moves "Young And The Restless" to 1 and expands "Bold And The Beautiful" to an hour at 2 (not likely, given the costs of producing these soaps), all bets are off; the o&os are sure to take those shows together, at least in the Eastern time zone, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Dallas. I'd go with the latter scenario. This would allow the CBS affiliates to compete with the NBC and ABC affiliates' hour-long midday news blocks. The CBS affiliate here in Columbus, Ohio, WBNS 10TV, would be overjoyed at that scenario. It was #1 in all time slots during the November sweeps. It also airs "Let's Make a Deal" at 10 and "Dr. Phil" at 3. If the Fox O&Os bought the show for all their stations, then there's no question. Not all CBSsyndicated fare goes on CBS stations, obviously...any more than all Disney syndicated fare only airs on ABC stations. If the CBS O&Os didn't buy "Nancy," it's not really a conflict to be resolved. Is it Nancy Grace or Nancy GRAVE Grin. Like she needs to take some prozac before she starts her program and bullying her guests.

Network Affiliates That Are Too Close To Each Other There are a few places around the country where network affiliates are less than 50 miles from each other. Some are logical, some are not. Obviously Baltimore is such a big market on its own that it has its own set of network affiliates, even though it's only 35 miles from Washington. On Florida's Gulf Coast, ABC has an affiliate in Sarasota even though about 40 miles away, Tampa has a complete set of its own network affiliates, including an ABC station. Maybe Sarasota's ABC station being on UHF had something to do with it? Of course, today with digital TV, that issue is moot. Maybe in ABC's early days, the need for affiliates was greater than for the more successful NBC and CBS so ABC was willing to give affiliation to short-spaced stations. For instance, San Jose had an ABC affiliate on Channel 11 even though ABC owns Channel 7 in San Francisco, 38 miles away. There was a brief time when ABC had a UHF affiliate in Bridgeport CT, even though it also had a VHF affiliate 20 miles away in New Haven and 45 miles away, an O&O in NYC. Also in CT, NBC had a UHF affiliate in Waterbury and another U in Hartford, 30 miles away. Cleveland and Akron had different ABC affiliates, Akron's on UHF. Channel 9 in Manchester NH had been an ABC affiliate even before ABC had a station in Boston, 47 miles away. So in the early days of TV, WMUR served as Boston's ABC station. Today, Channel 5 in Boston and Channel 9 are co-owned. They have separate newsrooms but they run many of the same network and syndicated programs. I also notice Lincoln NE has CBS and ABC affiliates, even though 40 miles away, Omaha has a full set of affiliates. Topeka also has or had a network affiliate even though its 60 miles from Kansas City. Bellingham WA had a CBS station only 75 miles away from Seattle, although KVOS used to function more like CBS's Vancouver WA affiliate, running Canadian commercials and only carrying some CBS programs.

Gregg nh153@mail.com WWSB came about because WTSP (longtime ABC in Tampa before the New World earthquake hit) had signal problems in Sarasota. The Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney market is really, really odd and has duplicates of everything except CBS and Fox (two separate ABCs - one a two-station setup - and one NBC but for Lincoln which borrows WOWT from Omaha). That DMA could use a good realignment. Topeka is a full market with NBC, CBS, ABC, and an LPTV Fox. Washington and Baltimore are so close that they end up creating an OTA duplication (two of everything and three NBCs if you count WHAG Hagerstown). Other oddities: -Waco and Bryan, Texas. Two CBS affiliates, one owner. Bryan/College Station has some repeaters but only the CBS airs a full local newscast. -WMGM Atlantic City, New Jersey. Technically a Philadelphia-market station. It makes its money

off newscasts for South Jersey. Another instance in 2009 is New Britain, CT to Springfield, MA: WVIT-DT (NBC) channel 35 and WWLP-DT (NBC) channel 11, respectively. The two cities are 33 air miles from each other. Bellingham WA had a CBS station only 75 miles away from Seattle, although KVOS used to function more like CBS's Vancouver WA affiliate, running Canadian commercials and only carrying some CBS programs. You mean "Vancouver, BC"? Vancouver, WA is on the southern side of the state, across the Columbia from Portland. I think that is what he meant. All the major Seattle stations can be seen on most Vancouver, Canada cable. However, the reverse it not true, CBC may be available to some Seattle cable customers, but that is about it. Since WLFI Lafayette Indiana moved from 18 to 11, their coverage increased so much, that their signal now goes down to Indianapolis. Now, the northern part of the Indianapolis market has 2 CBS stations: WLFI Lafayette Indiana (RF 11 PSIP 18) & WISH-TV Indianapolis (RF 9 PSIP 8 ). WLFI's transmitter is in Rossville, IN, which is between Lafayette & Kokomo. Lafayette can also get most Indianapolis stations, and there's rimshot coverage of WISH-TV in Lafayette. Here's the link to the estimated coverage for WLFI on RF11: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTVservice-area?x=DT988218.html Here's the estimated coverage for WISH-TV on RF 9: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-servicearea?x=DT1249877.html Based on mapquest, there's an estimated 60 miles between Lafayette & Indianapolis.. Boston and Providence, Only 50 miles apart and each city has it's own set of affiliates. But this is one example that makes perfect sense since they are in seperate states. So it's understandable. Only two such examples come to my mind at this late hour (Although one has long since been remedied). 1) KNTV 11 San Jose - Was an ABC affiliate until NBC Universal bought it from struggling Granite Broadcasting & turned it into an NBC O&O. As an ABC affiliate, it overlapped ABC O&O KGO 7 in San Francisco. 2) KERO 23 Bakersfield - An ABC affiliate owned by McGraw Hill. Because of its proximity to Los Angeles, it overlaps ABC O&O KABC 7 despite it being on UHF. Then again, in the day & age of HDTV, does overlapping really matter all that much today? Just a thought..... Cheers Cheesy 2) KERO 23 Bakersfield - An ABC affiliate owned by McGraw Hill. Because of its proximity to Los Angeles, it overlaps ABC O&O KABC 7 despite it being on UHF. What? I can find no reality-based coverage maps that show significant overlap between the two. - Trip WWSB came about because WTSP (longtime ABC in Tampa before the New World earthquake hit)

had signal problems in Sarasota. The WTSP transmitter was also well north of the other stations'. It was licensed to Largo and transmitted from, IIRC, somewhere in Pasco County. With WWSB a relatively low-powered station, there wasn't as much overlap as there is today. (or at least, as there *was* at the end of analog...) Many of these situations can be explained by the rather wimpy signals of early UHF stations. In 1963: WWLP was 214kw/750' -- probably little or no overlap with 191kw WHNB-30. (now WVIT) There was a third NBC affiliate in the mix, WATR-53 (later WTXX-20) Waterbury with an entire 25kw. WAKR Akron was only 110kw. There were three CBS affiliates in the Harrisburg market: WHP with 447kw/820' (which really should have covered most of the market), WLYH-15 with 129kw, and WSBA-43 with 132kw. Add to the relatively low powers, UHF receivers were a LOT worse then than they are today. KERO's coverage on DT-10: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1250625.html KABC's coverage on DT-7: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1251719.html When I looked at their coverages, there's little overlap. That's common in some counties where they're between markets. But this thread is where there are network affiliates and/or network o&o stations have large overlap in each others' markets. An example I gave was one where a CBS affiliate gained significant coverage digital to reach nearest major city. If you wanna look at coverage maps, here's a link on the FCC website: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/tvq.html Here's another link from the FCC website for the coverage maps: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/ The second link will give a list of all stations for the city & state, or zip code that can, and could be received. I think some posters have, in the past, suggested merging Washington and Baltimore into one market (would that include Hagerstown?). No way. Washington and Baltimore people consider themselves separate markets with little in common. Likewise I don't think Boston and Providence (maybe throw in Hartford/New Haven, since it's pretty close) would ever merge for much the same reason. I can remember seeing Western Washington State editions of TV Guide in the late '70s that still listed KVOS as a CBS affiliate, yet I could just about count the number of CBS programs on the station on one hand. Even then it seemed like more of a Canadian station sprinkled with lots of British imports (Benny Hill, "Doctor In The House," etc.). Three markets that are clustered together pretty tightly:

Pittsburgh, Johnstown/Altoona, and Wheeling/Steubenville; in fact, in the pre-digital era, WTAE served as the de facto ABC affiliate in Wheeling (I think ABC is on a WTRF subchannel now). Finally, WTSP did have to place its transmitter well to the north of other Tampa Bay Area stations in order to avoid short-spacing WPLG Miami (both stations broadcast on Ch. 10). This meant that WTSP could be picked up in some counties north of the Bay Area that probably relied more on Orlando (especially for CBS and NBC when 10 was an ABC affiliate), since WFLA and WTVT didn't get into them. But it also meant poor coverage to the south, hence WWSB. (BTW, WWSB lobbied to keep its ABC affiliation when WFTS/28 became the Bay Area's ABC affiliate, simply because WFTS--being UHF-didn't have good reach into Sarasota either; also, with WTSP switching to CBS, Sarasota has come to rely about as much on WINK Ft. Myers for CBS programming. Ch. 6 in Miami had the same problem; its transmitter was placed south of Miami, around Homestead, FL, to avoid interference with Orlando's Ch. 6; at one time Miami's 6 put a so-so signal into Dade County and was hardly available at all in Broward (Ft. Lauderdale). Boston and Providence, Only 50 miles apart and each city has it's own set of affiliates. But this is one example that makes perfect sense since they are in seperate states. So it's understandable. The transmitters of most Providence stations are in Rehoboth, MA, and the Boston ones are generally in Needham, MA. Those two cities are only 29 miles apart. Another example in this area would be Ion affiliates WPXQ in Hopkinton, RI and WHPX in Oakdale, CT. They are only 21 miles away from each other. Only two such examples come to my mind at this late hour (Although one has long since been remedied). 1) KNTV 11 San Jose - Was an ABC affiliate until NBC Universal bought it from struggling Granite Broadcasting & turned it into an NBC O&O. As an ABC affiliate, it overlapped ABC O&O KGO 7 in San Francisco. 2) KERO 23 Bakersfield - An ABC affiliate owned by McGraw Hill. Because of its proximity to Los Angeles, it overlaps ABC O&O KABC 7 despite it being on UHF. Then again, in the day & age of HDTV, does overlapping really matter all that much today? Just a thought..... Cheers Cheesy Slight correction: ABC pulled the affiliation from KNTV a couple of years before the station picked up NBC programming. It operated as an independent, and ran WB programming for awhile. The WB programming overlapped with KBWB San Francisco, but Granite owned both, so I guess nobody was complaining. When the new owners of KRON 4 San Francisco got in a dust-up with NBC (long story), Granite offered up KNTV as the Bay Area's NBC affiliate. NBC took them up on the offer, then purchased the station from Granite a short time later. The transmitters of most Providence stations are in Rehoboth, MA, and the Boston ones are generally in Needham, MA. Those two cities are only 29 miles apart.

Just a little anecdote... This was some 30 years ago -- I was 20; between semesters at college, Dad & I drove from Milwaukee to Massachusetts to visit one of Dad's friends in -- somewhere south of Boston. Brockton, I think. While they went in the kitchen to swap war stories, I turned on the TV (no cable in 1979) & turned the dial until I found a good program on channel 10. About a half-hour later, Dad's friend walked in, took a quick look at the TV, and said "Why are you watching that station coming all the way from Rhode Island???" and flipped the dial to channel 4 where the same program was indeed airing. But I couldn't tell any difference between the two... If the DC and Baltimore markets would ever become one ( NO I don't think it will happen either even thought the two cities are I believe is considered one metro area now ), chances are quite good Hagerstown would become a market of its own. Perhaps maybe being part of a "Four State Market" including Martinsburg ( West Virginia ), Winchester ( Virginia ), Chambersburg ( Pennsylvania ) and of course Hagerstown since all four of those cities have their own television station now though in the case with Chambersburg and Martinsburg, their "Local TV station" is based outside their areas. Many of these situations can be explained by the rather wimpy signals of early UHF stations. In 1963: WWLP was 214kw/750' -- probably little or no overlap with 191kw WHNB-30. (now WVIT) There was a third NBC affiliate in the mix, WATR-53 (later WTXX-20) Waterbury with an entire 25kw. WAKR Akron was only 110kw. There were three CBS affiliates in the Harrisburg market: WHP with 447kw/820' (which really should have covered most of the market), WLYH-15 with 129kw, and WSBA-43 with 132kw. Add to the relatively low powers, UHF receivers were a LOT worse then than they are today. Another such example was WILK-TV 34 Wilkes-Barre PA (sign-on 9/16/53) and WARM-TV 16 Scranton PA (sign-on 1/2/54), both ABC affiliates. The two cities are about 20 miles apart. Each station was a money-loser, and in 1955, agreed to merge. WNEP-TV debuted on 1/1/56, using WILK-TV's license, but WARM-TV's channel 16 and city of license, Scranton. Meanwhile, channel 34 was reassigned to Binghamton NY. Just a little anecdote...(snip)...I turned on the TV (no cable in 1979) & turned the dial until I found a good program on channel 10...(snip)...About a half-hour later, Dad's friend walked in, took a quick look at the TV, and said "Why are you watching that station coming all the way from Rhode Island???" and flipped the dial to channel 4 where the same program was indeed airing. But I couldn't tell any difference between the two... Surprised he didn't say "don't watch that 'far away' station--it'll ruin the TV!" Grin However the real memory flogger is: was it before or after AT&T went to its "diplexer" system for sound which, even though this was pre-satellite by a few years, finally brought the audio up to 15 kHz bandwith? If it still was the old Telco line (with 5 kHz audio), was there a difference in

sound quality from the Boston vs. the Providence station? You know you're an old-time TV geek if you can tell how far down the Telco line it was by the "sound." Wink KERO's coverage on DT-10: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1250625.html KABC's coverage on DT-7: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1251719.html The FCC's "contour maps" are not coverage maps and should not be treated as such. They're used for allotment purposes but are not accurate reflections of real world coverage. KERO: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dkero%26type%3dD KABC: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dkabc%26type%3dD Little or no real world overlap. - Trip Here In Fresno I get KBAK 29 and KBFX 58 from Bakersfield on all of my Antennas (one is just a simple bow tie 4 bay antenna just 10 ft. above ground) with a perfect signal they are located on Mt. Bekenridge at 7500 ft above sea level the signal strength is 80 percent, here the thing KMPH FOX 26 Fresno has there tower at 8000 ft at Sequoia National Park about 60 miles from KBFX 58,KMPH COL is Visalia so both FOX affiliates cover the same area 100 miles between Fresno and Bakersfield. KBAK 29 and KERO 23 has always covered Fresno even back in analog. it's nice for NFL because Fresno always carries the SF teams where KBAK CBS 29 and KBFX 58 runs alternative games, KERO 23 -DTV VHF 10 doesn't work even though my main antenna is a VHF/UHF combo, here in Fresno if they were to go back to UHF 23 they would come in as well, all other Bakersfield stations are one a much lower transmitter site. Don't know if this would actually "count" but WSIL-TV 3 is licensed to Harrisburg, IL and for many years had their studios located there. Harrisburg is only about 65 miles from Evansville, Indiana. For most of southeast Illinois, including Harrisburg, the Evansville signals are very strong. In the early 90s, the station built a new studio in the middle of a cornfield in Carterville, Illinois (no longer a cornfield, pretty developed in the area). The current tower is located southeast of Marion, near Creal Springs, Illinois...but I doubt that was the original tower location. Here in the Hartford/New Haven market, ABC and MY are licesned to New Haven, which is a good 40 miles south of Hartford down I-91. Springfield, MA (also along I-91), is actually closer to Hartford (30 miles at the most), but has always been a separate market from us, likely because they are a different state, the same reason Providence is separate from Boston/Worcester. Until the digital age, Springfield relied on Hartford for CBS and FOX. They now get "CBS 3", a digital subchannel of WFSB-DT from Hartford (3-2 over-the-air, cable channel 3 in Springfield) and "FOX 6", a digital subchannel of WGGB-DT from Springfield (40-2 over-the-air, cable channel 6 in Springfield). Here in southern Hartford County, CT, I get New Haven 95% of the time with WTNH (ABC) and nearly 100% of the time with WCTX (MY). I've never received any digital signals from Springfield. Los Angeles and Palm Springs (all 3 networks) The odd thing there is that Riverside County, where Palm Springs is located, is actually split into three markets. The western third (where the majority of Riverside County resides) belongs to Los Angeles, central Riverside County is Palm Springs, and the eastern third is in the Phoenix TV market (us enthusiasts are well-aware of the translators of the Phoenix stations throughout northern and central Arizona).

To the topic, and I know I bring this up quite a bit...but you have Madison, Wisconsin and Rockford, Illinois being about 55 miles apart, and of course, each have their own set of network affiliates, except no PBS in Rockford. Two companies own stations in each market...Gray owns WMTV (NBC) in Madison and WIFR (CBS) in Rockford; Quincy Newspapers owns WREX (NBC) in Rockford and WKOW (ABC) in Madison. Madison's CW affiliate WBUW, formerly an UPN affiliate initially serve both markets before its current ownership eventually shifted its focus (and transmitter location) to Madison, although its city of license is still Janesville (situated halfway between Madison and Rockford). Kansas City and St. Joseph, MO--Two ABC affiliates (both formerly on VHF analog) within less than 50 miles of each other: KQTV-2 (St. Joe), KMBC-9 (KC). I'm surprised that when WDAF-4 in KC switched from NBC to Fox as a result of the New World deal back in 1994, with NBC going to KSHB-41, that KQTV didn't even consider (AFAIK) switching from ABC to NBC in response. A lot, if not most are historical oddities. For instance, the population out west was small and the states were huge at the time the channel allocations were assigned. For instance in 1955 San Jose only had 95,000 people, not the population of San Jose is estimated to be at 1,000,000. San Jose is big enough now to have it's own market, at the time the channels were allocated it wasn't. So KNTV served as the ABC station for Salinas / Monterray. Today that market lacks an ABC affiliate and must import San Francisco's ABC to get service. Back in the 40s no one knew how many networks in TV would make it. It was assumed two (CBS and NBC) but who really knew? So every city and the Senetors and Represntatives of those states, wanted a TV station. The Congressman got their way but there weren't enough affiliates or in some cases there were too many station. So you had places like Zanesville, OH and St Joseph, MO and Bowling Green, KY wind up with one (or two) stations so they talked networks into giving them an affiliation, though they were too small to have all three networks, and couldn't survive without any affiliation For political reasons Washington wanted a complete set of channels, although Baltimore was bigger in population (citywise not urban area-wise). Same goes for Providence / Boston. Two state capitals each wanting their own channels. Though I can see why it occured looking back many places would've been better off had the FCC not did what they did with allocations. For instance, Kansas City might have easily developed another independent VHF had they had Channel 2 from St Joesph or taken one of the VHFs from Topeka and made those cities all UHF markets. But the Kansas City independents had to go UHF and couldn't compete. Bellingham WA had a CBS station only 75 miles away from Seattle, although KVOS used to function more like CBS's Vancouver WA (sic - should be BC) affiliate, running Canadian commercials and only carrying some CBS programs. There was more to the situation in Western Washington. The market's first CBS affiliate was KING/5, which held the affiliation from 1948 until 1953. The CBS affiliation then went to Tacoma's KTNT/11 (now KSTW) when it signed on in March 1953. Bellingham's KVOS/12 then signed on 3 months later, though it apparently affiliated with DuMont at first and didn't take on CBS until 1955. So now you had a CBS affiliate in south Puget Sound, and another one towards the Canadian border. Note that Bellingham and Tacoma are about 120 miles apart. I'm not sure exactly where KTNT

transmitted from or how its signal propogated at that point, but I imagine coverage would've been spotty towards Whatcom and Skagit counties, in which case it would've made sense to have KVOS fill in this gap. It's not like Bellingham had another CBS affiliate to pull in. (And KVOS actually precedes all the Vancouver and Victoria stations too: CBUT, BC's first station, didn't sign on until December 1953.) KIRO/7 didn't enter into the picture until its launch in 1958. It got the CBS affiliation, but KTNT and KVOS also managed to hold on to theirs. So for the following 3 years, there were actually 3 CBS affiliates in Western Washington, until KTNT finally lost the affiliation in 1961 and became an indy. KVOS remained a nominal CBS affil until 1987, but as mentioned it actually carried few CBS programs, and really through all those years it functioned more as Vancouver's indy than its CBS affiliate. In any case, KIRO (left as the sole CBS affil) and the other major Seattle/Tacoma stations were (and are) readily available on basic cable in Vancouver. Another note on the Tampa/St. Petersburg --- Sarasota ABC situation. Tampa's current ABC affiliate WFTS has always suffered from ratings problems since they became an ABC affiliate 13 years ago. I recently saw the numbers for the big 3 evening network newscasts and it is amazing how poorly ABC World News does there in WFTS. Why? The nearby ABC affiliate in Sarasota. They pull the ABC audience for Sarasota/Manatee Counties and Tampa's WFTS does nothing in these counties. The other Tampa affiliates are seen and pull decent numbers, even for news, in the Sarasota/Bradenton area, these numbers count for their newscast. One local TV GM told me it doesn't matter what WFTS does, they will always be in last place for news because they get zero views in two counties with their own ABC affiliate. I recently saw the numbers for the big 3 evening network newscasts and it is amazing how poorly ABC World News does there in WFTS. Why? The nearby ABC affiliate in Sarasota. They pull the ABC audience for Sarasota/Manatee Counties and Tampa's WFTS does nothing in these counties. WWSB's market-wide carriage on Verizon Fios doesn't help much, either. Another note on the Tampa/St. Petersburg --- Sarasota ABC situation. Tampa's current ABC affiliate WFTS has always suffered from ratings problems since they became an ABC affiliate 13 years ago. I recently saw the numbers for the big 3 evening network newscasts and it is amazing how poorly ABC World News does there in WFTS. Why? The nearby ABC affiliate in Sarasota. They pull the ABC audience for Sarasota/Manatee Counties and Tampa's WFTS does nothing in these counties. The other Tampa affiliates are seen and pull decent numbers, even for news, in the Sarasota/Bradenton area, these numbers count for their newscast. One local TV GM told me it doesn't matter what WFTS does, they will always be in last place for news because they get zero views in two counties with their own ABC affiliate. ABC News never did well on WTSP either; when my parents lived in the Bay Area in the '70s they did their local news at 5:30 and network news at 6. The dominant station for news was WTVT, both for local at 6 and Cronkite at 7. I would suspect that WTSP does better with CBS News because the CBS habit was ingrained long ago. Note about WBKO: it started as an independent but got the ABC affiliation largely because Nashville's ABC affiliate (still on Ch. Cool didn't put a quality signal, unlike NBC (Ch. 4) and CBS (Ch. 5), into Bowling Green. Even after ABC began airing on Ch. 2 it had little or no impact on Bowling Green; Ch. 13 was established as an ABC affiliate, plus a lot of people never bothered to adjust their antennas (and maybe their thinking) to accommodate Ch. 2. Toledo and Detroit are quite close to each other, and receive each other's stations over-the-air. At

one time WDHO/24 in Toledo, as an ABC affiliate, suffered while local viewers tuned to WXYZ/7 from Detroit, also an ABC affiliate. Flint and Lansing are close enough to each other than WJRT/12, Flint's ABC affiliate, also served as Lansing's ABC affiliate until it got its own ABC affiliate in the early 1990s. Flint also gets Detroit stations over-the-air. in the Analog days the Pittsburgh NBC Affiliate (WIIC/WPXI 11) and the Steubenville, Ohio NBC affiliate (WSTV/WTOV 9) were only 35 miles apart. Both were full-power upper VHF signals, and their coverage areas likely overlapped by at least 80%. (I have lived in parts of Pittsburgh where WTOV's over the air signal came in better than most if not all of the locals. When WSTV was still a CBS affiliate we watched it a lot because there was less ghosting on the picture than on KDKA 2) In an added twist, in latter years both were owned by the same ownership group (along with Johnstown's WJAC 6, the next NBC affiliate sixty miles to the east) Today the digital signals are even closer together. WTOV has moved their digital tower into Pennsylvania. Not sure how many people are watching over the air these days though. Cinncinati and Dayton 50 miles apart but even with the south Dayton burbs meeting the north Cincy burbs, I don't see them becoming one media market I'm surprised that no bought up the Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek TV market, where there's already 2 ABC affils, WZZM in Grand Rapids and WOTV in Battle Creek. Not to mention, ABC affiliates that are owned by different companies: LIN Broadcasting owning WOTV (sister station is WOOD-TV) & Gannett owning WZZM. Had Gannett been able to buyout WOTV, then it would have been a simulcast. Whenever I was able to pickup WZZM & WOTV during the 80's & 90's, The only time programming was the same was during primetime & other network programming, then the rest of the programming would be separate. I need to make a correction to my post. WOTV's call letters used to be on channel 8 (now WOODTV), while the current WOTV was originally WUHQ. WZZM's previous owners were Northstar, who tried to buy the station in 1991, but couldn't afford to buy the station to make it a simulcast. Gannett didn't buy WZZM until 1995. LIN bought WOTV in 2002. I read that the station had to rely on WZZM's signal for network programming, since they couldn't get a direct feed from ABC themselves in the early days. They sometimes had to rely on WSJV Elkhart/South Bend as well. Probably because there is absolutely no point in doing this. The only scenario where this could possibly benefit the stations would be if you were to combine two fairly small markets into a single medium sized market. Since most of the scenarios that have been outlined involve either two large markets in close proximity (ie, Washington and Baltimore) or a small market in proximity with a close market (ie, Manchester and Boston), that doesn't leave many places where your proposal would make even theoretical sense. In the large and medium sized markets, big four affiliates are still profitable (even if less profitable than a few years ago), which means that no one would want to give up their affiliations. -Waco and Bryan, Texas. Two CBS affiliates, one owner. Bryan/College Station has some repeaters but only the CBS airs a full local newscast.

Pre-digital, KBTX could be picked up pretty clearly OTA in the northern suburbs of Houston. In fact, I think Zap2it still lists it as a local if you put in a Houston zip code. I've heard several stories of people who couldn't get KBTX-3 analog but now get the digital. - Trip Jackson, TN, and Memphis both have ABC affiliates. WBBJ-channel 7 is the ABC affiliate for Jackson. The Memphis affiliate used to be WHBQ, channel 13, but I believe they are FOX now, and the Memphis ABC affiliate is on UHF now, probably either 24 or 30, but I don't live in that area anymore now. For that matter, Jackson also has a FOX affiliate now, I believe. The Memphis ABC affiliate is on Ch. 24 (WPTY). Jackson probably had to have its own ABC affiliate since, as you pointed out, Memphis used to get ABC on Ch. 13 (high VHF) and now on 24 (UHF), while Nashville had ABC first on Ch. 8 (stronger signal than 13 but still not as good as 4 and 5 there), then on Ch. 2, which always operated at less than full power so as not to short-space WSB/2 Atlanta. It's much the same reason Bowling Green got its own ABC affiliate; the Nashville situation, plus ABC in Louisville was on Ch. 32, then on Ch. 11 so again there's not the wide coverage of a full-powered low VHF. From 1995-2008, WNEG 32 Toccoa, GA was a full CBS affiliate. It acted as a semi-satellite of WSPA 7/Spartanberg (they were co-owned by Media General), although programming was entirely seperate (and switched out of Toccoa to boot). Toccoa is not even 100 miles from Atlanta, and much less to Greenville/Sparanberg. When the University of Georgia bought WNEG-TV last October, the affiliation was pulled for obvious reasons. Another set of close markets is Dothan, AL and Panama City, FL. WTVY/Dothan acts as the CBS station for Panama City (and is co-owned by Gray with NBC WJHG/Panama City). Both stations have CW and MyNet subchannels that are identical. Raycom's Fox affilates WDFX/Dothan and WPGX/Panama City are operated together (although WDFX carries news from sister station WSFA/Montgomery, while WPGX has no news). Both WSFA and WJHG are carried on Dothan cable systems for NBC service. WBBJ 7 in Jackson was originally CBS and changed to ABC some time in the 60's. There are also KAIT 8 in Jonesboro, AR and WDKH 45 in Houston, MS (Tupelo area) that would at least partially overlap with 24. WJKT 16 is Jackson's Fox affiliate. It started out as an independent, then went to simulcasting with WLMT 30 in Memphis when it was with Fox, then went to UPN when it began in 1995. When UPN and WB merged to become The CW, 30 went with CW while 16 went back to Fox because of Jackson having the WB/CW 100 network on Charter Cable. 16 still simulcasts 30's 9 PM newscast, which is produced by 24. Can it get any more complicated? Roll Eyes In the rather spread out (by East Coast standards) Raleigh-Durham-Fayetteville, NC DMA, we once had two FOX affiliates, WLFL-TV 22 in Raleigh was the first, but in the early-to-mid 1990s, the former WFCT-TV 62 in Fayetteville became WFAY-TV and affiliated with FOX. This was not a coownership or simulcast deal. FOX 22 has a full-market signal, while the lower-powered FOX 62 covers Fayetteville and the communities immediately around it, plus the northern reaches of the Florence-Myrtle Beach-Lumberton market, but was (and still is post 6/12/09) basically non-existent

in the Raleigh and Durham portion of the market. For a short while, WFAY actually simulcasted its non-FOX offerings on a station in the market seen in Raleigh and Durham, WRAY-TV 30. This all ended around 1997-1998, when PAX bought FOX 62 (which became WFPX) and FOX moved its affiliation to WRAZ-TV 50. To this day, we still have two Ion affilates in the market (channel 62 in Fayetteville and WRPX-TV 47 in Rocky Mount), though they're co-owned and neither signal covers the market completely. Another example would be between the San Francisco Bay Area and Sacramento. Even though driving from SF to Sacramento is around 80 miles, the distance from the Sacramento transmitters to SF is around 60 miles. Looking at the service contour maps from the FCC, the Sacramento stations would cover the majority of the SF Bay Area so the coverage area would overlap big time with the SF Bay Area stations. That's on paper at least. Realistically, the SF Bay Area has many hills and mountains, therefore not really allowing both signals to overlap OTA. There are a few exceptions where both market stations can be received at the same time in one location, but those locations are scattered around, depending on the geography of the location. Very true there are a lot of areas in the East Bay that can get Sacramento and vise versa going east on I-80 towards Sacramento and on 580 towards Stockton and Modesto,Livermore gets both markets as well, But Sacramento network affilaites are located in Walnut Grove on purpose east of Mt Diablo the keep them from SF itself there are some IND stations on Mt. Diablo that serve both SF and Sacramento, At one Time back in the 50s KOVR 13 was up there at Mt. Diablo and in order to be a ABC affiliate for Sacramento they had to move there Tower down to Walnut Grove.Mt Diablo is in between I-580 and I-80 East of the Bay Area.. I've heard that the reason that KNTV re-branded themselves as "NBC11" after a couple of years as "NBC3" (their cable dial position) was because of confusion in the North and far East Bay from viewers who could get both KNTV and KCRA - channel 3 in Sacramento I don't know that this means the markets are "too close", but where I live I can pick up the CBS, ABC, CW, Fox and My Network affiliates of a market where most of the channels aren't on my cable system. The ABC, Fox and PBS stations that are on my cable system have their towers closer to that other market but I haven't been able to depend on any of them since the DTV transition; one reason may be my antennas point the other way. The NBC, CBS, CW and My Network stations on my cable system are in the other direction, so they'd be harder to pick up. Maybe an outdoor antenna would work. What I have works fine and the cable has never gone out for long, the one exception being an individual station which lost its cable connection in a storm. Recheck your thoughts on medium sized markets. I would have to disagree with your assertion that they're currently profitable. Maybe one station (a flagship or heritage) is, but on balance, I'd say most currently are not. As I said earlier, OTA network TV is quickly fading into oblivion. Combining markets, in some instances, may be the only way some survive. Also consider this scenario: Markets combine, new combined (larger) market moves up in ranking size, which is a reason to justify increases on ad rates....profit! It makes perfect sense. G Local Newscasts Today How do you feel about the idea of having fewer and shorter local newscasts? In recent years, more stations have been adding more newscasts to their schedule and making existing newscasts

longer. WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida recently added a one-hour newscast on Saturdays and Sundays at 6:00 AM in addition to the one-hour Saturday newscast at 6:00 PM, the two-hour weekday newscast between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM, the half-hour newscast at 11:00 AM, the onehour weekday newscast at 4:00 PM, the one-hour weekday newscast at 10:00 PM (as an ABC affiliate, WEAR-TV delays "Nightline" and has done so since 1984), and the half-hour weekday newscasts at 5:00 PM and 6:00 PM. All the TV news stations in Mobile-Pensacola have local newscasts between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM and one hour more on WALA-TV, a FOX affiliate in Mobile. This is too much for a TV market like Mobile-Pensacola, as the local news is repeated and national news unrelated to the area is reported during the local newscasts on stations with network newscasts. The time used for national news should be used for more local news and information. Some of the local news (originally reported on the previous day) in the morning newscasts is repeated during the 12:00 PM newscasts, especially on WKRG-TV, a CBS affiliate in Mobile. Not only is the news repeated on WALA-TV's morning newscasts, but the current time is also mentioned constantly and the news presenters always reintroduce themselves after a commercial break. The news presenters on WALA-TV constantly report something as "breaking news" (local and national) with dramatic music and a large banner at the bottom of the screen during the morning news and at the beginning of the one-hour newscasts at 5:00 PM and 9:00 PM. If were there fewer and shorter newscasts, more people would be watching, and more money and employees would be saved. A one-hour weekday newscast at 6:00 AM, a half-hour newscast at 5:00 PM or 6:00 PM, and a half-hour newscast at 10:00 PM would do much better for stations in my area. WALA-TV seems to be fine with one-hour weekday newscasts at 5:00 PM and 9:00 PM, since the station has no network newscasts and more time for local programming, but the morning news should be shorten to one hour at 6:00 AM. WKRG-TV could use the 12:00 PM half-hour for create a local program based on their "Take 5" segments featuring local history, guests, and cooking. Video and film from the station's past would be a great feature for such a program. Too much of the same thing will eventually lead to viewers checking other stations for new information (no old news) or other programming. When it comes to local news, less time means more news and more viewers. Because news is available on the web, including the stations' own websites, 24/7, there is no need for anything more than one or two hours before 7 AM (OK, maybe an indie can go until 9), then noon, 5, 6, and 10/11 - 30 minutes each. Emphasis should be on news, maybe some better investigative reporting, with no real need for weather or most sports anymore. But it can get done in 1/2 hour. The weather is available on that same station's .2 subchannel in many cases, and those who want game highlights can find them on SportsCenter. The only exception to "no sports" is local high school and smaller-college sports that won't get covered on a national sports network. In other words, it needs to be deja vu 1975 all over again, maybe even back to the cheap/cheesy sets, obnoxious theme music (not every station can have Cool Hand Luke), and anchormen with "Ron Burgundy" mustaches. Eyewitness News name and happy talk are optional. Grin In Chicago, WGN-TV decided to expand the midday from noon to 1pm to 11am - 1pm (11am 12pm not available on WGN America), added the 5:30pm - 6pm newscast a few months back, then added 5-5:30pm to make the evening news from 5-6pm. WGN has 8 hours of news on Monday Friday. If I'm not mistaken, the 4 big networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, & Fox) don't even have as much news at the local level. ABC, NBC, & CBS have network programming around 7-9am EST, which could count as news, but if you look at local news, the network stations don't have as much local news as WGN does. For the longest time Tribune's FOX 61 in Hartford only had a 10PM-11PM Newscast.

In March 2008 they launched The FOX 61 Morning Show airing 6AM-8AM. That evolved into The FOX 61 Morning news 4:30AM-9:00AM in August 2008. Earlier this year they added an 11PM11:30PM Newscast Sunday-Friday. Then this fall they added The FOX 61 Midday News 11AM1130AM Monday-Friday. The FOX 61 Morning news 4:30AM-9:00AM Monday-Friday 4 1/2 hrs x 5 days = 22 1/2 hrs The FOX 61 Midday News 11AM-11:30AM Monday-Friday 30 Mins x 5 days = 2 1/2 hours The FOX 61 News at 10 10PM-11PM Monday-Friday 60 mins x 5 days = 5 hours The FOX 61 News at 11 11PM-11:30PM Sunday-Friday 30 mins x 5 days = 3 hours The FOX 61 News at 10 Weekend 10PM-1045PM*Saturday & Sunday 45 min x 2 days = 1 1/2 hours Total Number of News hours per week on FOX 61 are now up to 34 1/2 hours/week Thats up a lot from 7 hours/week less then 2 years ago. *The News at 10 on the weekend is only 45 mins long because they air a 15 mins sports show called FOX 61 Sports Ticket 1045PM-11PM. The 10PM-11PM News 7 days a week is simulcast on sister station WTXX Channel 20 the CW affiliate in Hartford known as "TXX-TV" 4pm news is ridiculous in my opinion. How about more stations adding a 7pm news if on eastern time and 6:30 if on central time? the CW station here in St. Louis KPLR 11 has their news at 7pm (CST) & pushed the CW network programming from 8-10pm (CST) Monday-Friday I would disagree about the weather not being important, especially in the morning., when a lot of people are movinfg around the house and not staring at the computer. You do have to remember as far as talent reintroducing themselves and giving the time frequently that people are largely listening and watching as they are getting ready for work, not staring at the TV. Repetition is going to happen because viewers are turninfg over fgrequently, few are watching the entire 5 to 7pm block. Most markets don't have 90 minutes or two hours of news that are interesting. Local news in Houston: KPRC (NBC) 4:30-7 am 11am-12pm 4-4:30pm 5-5:30pm 6-6:30pm 10-10:35pm Total: 5 hours, 35 min. KHOU (CBS) 4:30-7am 12-12:30pm 5-5:30pm 6-6:30pm 10-10:35pm Total: 5 hours, 5 min.

KTRK (ABC) 4:30-7am 11am-12pm 4-5:30pm 6-7pm 10-10:35pm Total: 6 hours, 35 min. KRIV (FOX) 5-10am 12-12:30pm 5-6pm 9-10pm Total: 7 hours, 30 min. KIAH (CW) 5-6pm 9-10pm Total: 2 hours I haven't added up all the hours, but in the Bay Area, there is more local news than ever. The 'Big 3' network stations have given up news in the 4:00 hour, and the 5:00 PM news is now only a halfhour, so they can run the network news at 5:30 -but outside those hours, news has expanded. KGO-TV now runs 3 hours of morning news starting at 4:00 AM. The Fox affiliate (KTVU) still runs an hour of news at 10:00, and has recently added 30 minute broadcasts at 5:00, 6:00, and 7:00. If you count the Spanish language news broadcast, there are now news programs on 5 stations at 6:00. 4pm news is ridiculous in my opinion. How about more stations adding a 7pm news if on eastern time and 6:30 if on central time? You should be in South Carolina. WCSC/5 Charleston has a 4:00 newscast, but there are six stations in the state with 7:00 newscasts: WCSC and WCIV/4 Charleston; WIS/10 and WLTX/19 Columbia; WSPA/7 Spartanburg; and WPDE/15 Florence. In addition, WSPA has a program at 7:30 called "Scene On 7"; I'm not sure it's more news or a magazine-type show since I haven't seen it, but weathercaster Jack Roper hosts it, which suggests it might be a magazine-type show. Anyone know about it? My NBC affiliate, WNCN/17 Raleigh/Durham, does an hour of local news from 7-8. I guess it does OK, but I don't think it's any threat to "Entertainment Tonight" and "Inside Edition" on WRAL, or "Wheel Of Fortune" and "Jeopardy!" on WTVD. In the Central time zone, 6:30 newscasts have been quite successful in Nashville (WSMV/4 and WTVF/5) and Houston (KTRK/13). So maybe you have a point. The Fox affiliate (KTVU) still runs an hour of news at 10:00, and has recently added 30 minute broadcasts at 5:00, 6:00, and 7:00. If you count the Spanish language news broadcast, there are now news programs on 5 stations at 6:00.

KTVU's early evening bulletins have been around for several years already. I have a tape of their 6pm newscast from 2002. They also have a noon bulletin and, of course, "Mornings on 2" (5-9am). In Los Angeles, KABC has been doing a 4pm weekday newscast for at least the last 25 years, and thanks to longtime lead-in (Oprah), it normally wins its timeslot. KNBC also had a 4pm newscast for several years as well, it too had strong lead-ins (Phil Donahue, and later Rosie O'Donnell), but it canceled to make way for Dr. Phil, which has since moved to KCBS (in 2005). KCBS itself tried 4pm news on and off through the years, usually eventually replaced by talk shows and such; the most recent incarnation of KCBS's 4pm news was moved to sister KCAL, in order to bring over Dr. Phil from KNBC. KABC and KCAL tried 6:30pm newscasts in the past, and even KCOP had a 7:30pm newscast during its early years as an UPN affiliate. KCAL has had a three-hour primetime block of news for nearly the last 20 years. Let's look at newscast schedules here in La-La land... KCBS 2/KCAL 9 5am-7am (2) 11-11:30am (2) 12-1pm (9) 2-3pm (9) 3-3:30pm (9) 4-5pm (9) 5-6pm (2) 6-6:30pm (2) 8-10:45pm (9; 15-minute sports news follows at 10:45) 11-11:35pm (2) Total: 10 hours, 50 minutes KNBC 4 4-4:30am (half-hour break for Early Today at 4:30) 5-7am 11-11:30am 5-6pm 6-6:30pm 11-11:35pm Total: 5 hours, 5 minutes KTLA 5 4:30-10am 1-2pm 6-7pm 10-11pm Total: 8 hours, 30 minutes KABC 7 4:30-7am 11-12pm 4-5pm 5-6pm 6-6:30pm 11-11:35pm Total: 6 hours, 35 minutes KTTV 11/KCOP 13

5-10:30am (11) 12-12:30pm (11) 10-11pm (11) 11-11:30pm (13) Total: 7 hours, 30 minutes I don't count the morning shows as "newscasts." They're general-entertainment/feature shows with some news - some with more news than others. But that's OK in the morning, and reasonable at noon. Then, there are the Fox stations' morning shows that are American Idol highlights + weather and not much else. Roll Eyes But the evening/late newscasts should stick to 30 minutes of news and move the features to separate time periods. Between 11:00 AM and 12:00 PM today, WALA-TV interrupted The Peoples Court for breaking news from Washington County, Florida, which is not part of the Mobile-Pensacola TV market. WKRG-TV and WPMI-TV did not interrupt regular programming for the news conference and WEAR-TV had a newscast at the time. At the beginning of WALA-TV 5:00 PM newscast, I could tell by the tone of the news presenters introducing themselves they were about to use the dramatic breaking news graphic and music for the news from Fort Hood, Texas. I think what we have here is quantity vs. quality. Quantitiy offers better cume, quality offers better TSL, to borrow radio terms. My experience is that longer newscasts usually are just more repetitive, more weather segments, and almost always, less content. On the positive side, longer newscasts help local stations "brand" their product with more effectiveness. However, try to watch any 5-7 am local newscast for the entire period and you will be begging for relief. Obviously, these type of newscasts are not built for 2-hour viewers, but for quick hits within the block. That's why the only local news worth watching IMO is the late night 'cast. A set amount of time, focus on the main stories, not a lot of wasted weather time, and then bang, it's over. The rest of it, whether it be early morning, midday, or early afternoon is wasted time you will never get back. Try Honolulu, usually a less news-oriented market. That was until October 26, 2009, When KGMB and KHNL/KFVE went into a SSA that bought their newscasts under one roof: KHON/2 (Fox) 5-8AM KHON 2 Morning News 5PM KHON 2 News at 5 5:30PM KHON World Report 6PM KHON 2 News at 6 10PM KHON 2 News at 10 KITV/4 (ABC) 5-7AM KITV 4 News This Morning 5PM KITV 4 News at 5 6PM KITV 4 News at 6 10PM KITV 4 News at 10 KGMB/9 (CBS), KHNL/13 (NBC) and KFVE/5 (MNTV) Their newscast is called "Hawaii News Now" 4 to 7AM 9/13 simulcast (As "Hawaii News Now: Sunrise") 7AM 9 (13 airs Today at 7; 9 continues with "Sunrise") 5PM 9/13 Simulcast 5:30PM 13 6PM 9

6:30PM 5 9PM 5 10PM 9/13 Simulcast I think what we have here is quantity vs. quality. Quantitiy offers better cume, quality offers better TSL, to borrow radio terms. My experience is that longer newscasts usually are just more repetitive, more weather segments, and almost always, less content. On the positive side, longer newscasts help local stations "brand" their product with more effectiveness. However, try to watch any 5-7 am local newscast for the entire period and you will be begging for relief. Obviously, these type of newscasts are not built for 2-hour viewers, but for quick hits within the block. That's why the only local news worth watching IMO is the late night 'cast. A set amount of time, focus on the main stories, not a lot of wasted weather time, and then bang, it's over. The rest of it, whether it be early morning, midday, or early afternoon is wasted time you will never get back. What you say about early-morning newscasts is exactly Pat Weaver's rationale about the "Today" show when he created it (if you can call the Dave Garroway-era "Today" a news program); he knew that most people would catch a part of it before leaving for work or school (this was the era of the chimp, J. Fred Muggs) but not watch the whole thing, so everything was in small doses. And it's no doubt the reason the 5-7 AM local newscasts today are mostly repetition. I've always thought that channels 2 and 5 here in Nashville have 4:00 p.m. newscasts, mainly in an attempt to compete with Oprah on 4. Ironic, considering that Oprah's first TV experience was on channel 5 here in Nashville. (That little factoid has been seared into the brains of every Nashvillian! Roll Eyes) My beefs, especially with the morning news: 1) Too many "over the top" teases. ("You won't believe what they're saying now!") Yes, I will, I saw the same story just 15 minutes ago! (Yes, I know all about the repetition part among morning viewers, but this is just ridiculous!) 2) Tossing it to their field reporters with a question, usually a very stupid one: ("So this has to be a really trying time for them, right, Courtney?") 3) That's my name, don't wear it out! ("Yes, that's right, Steve, and the story here, Steve, is that.....") Okay, we get it! You know the anchor's name! And we also understand that you're trying to tell us that you are local, and not in Washington, DC! Just give it a rest, already! 4) Weather teases that also end with a question ("So will this nice weather continue?") or (more likely lately), ("When will this rain ever end?") We do 49 hours of news each week (8 hours each weekday). Now, we don't break into programming unless it is urgent, but the competition has a happy trigger finger. KCTV, KMBC or KSHB (sometimes all three), broke into programming for all of the following stories this week: BB gun fired into school bus window (no injuries, bus went along its merry way) Accident involving school bus (fender bender) Body of drug-dealing woman found in ditch Press conference for drug dealing woman's abduction and murder Pepper spray causing throat irritation for one person in office building Deadly shooting of 20-year-old man in apartment parking lot Chop shop bust on rural property The networks handled the Ft. Hood shooting.

Three weeks ago, two stations broke into Oprah and Jeopardy because a truck ran off the road into a pond, spending 30 minutes over the story even though the driver had been rescued by the time they broke in. Local news in Houston: [Snip....] Local news in Denver (If I miss a newscast, someone feel free to jump in to fill the gap! Cheesy ). KWGN 2 (CW)* AM 5:00-8:00 PM 7:00-8:00 TOTAL TIME 3 hours * KWGN 2 & sister station KDVR 31 both share the same news department KCNC 4 (CBS O&O) AM 5:00-7:00 12:00 NOON-12:30 PM PM 5:00-5:30 6:00-7:00 7:00-10:35 TOTAL TIME 4 hours 5 minutes KMGH 7 (ABC) AM 5:00-7:00 11:00-12:00 NOON PM 5:00-5:30 6:00-6:30 10:00-10:35 TOTAL TIME 5 hours 5 minutes KUSA 9 (NBC)**

AM 5:00-7:00 12:00 NOON-12:30 PM PM 5:00-5:30 6:00-6:30 10:00-10:35 TOTAL TIME 4 hours 5 minutes ** KUSA also produces a one hour show called Colorado & Company which has news & other lighthearted features. It airs Weekdays from 10:00 AM till 11:00 AM. KTVD 20 (MyNetwork TV)*** AM 7:00-9:00 (Weekdays only) PM 5:00-6:00 (Sundays during football season only) 9:00-9:30 TOTAL TIME 2 hours 30 minutes (Not including football season Sunday newscasts & public affairs program mentioned below) *** All newscasts on KTVD 20 are produced by KUSA 9 as it is co-owned by Gannett. KTVD 20 also airs a local Sunday Morning Public Affairs program called Your Show at 10:00 AM, which can be best likened to a local version of Meet The Press. KDVR 31 (FOX)* AM 5:00-8:00 PM 5:00-6:00 9:00-10:00 TOTAL TIME 5 hours * KWGN 2 & sister station KDVR 31 both share the same news department As you can see, Denver is really more of an exception than the rule when it comes to duopolies & what is done with them. Additionally, the KWGN/KDVR is also untypical in the sense that it's also rarity given that the history of KWGN goes all the way back to 1952 while KDVR's history OTOH only goes back to 1983. It's also a rarity given the fact that KDVR is a UHF-mapped station AS WELL AS having it's original RF channel on UHF while KWGN is mapped to virtual VHF channel 2

even though the RF channel is on UHF along with the others in town. It should also be noted that KDVR 31 is the PRIMARY station between the two, which is mainly due to its FOX affiliation. As such, it has the better ratings and (Ever since they started news on the station) has ALWAYS outperformed KWGN 2 in the 9:00 PM news war. If it weren't for the fact that KTVD's newscasts were produced by sister station KUSA 9, it wouldn't even stand a chance REGARDLESS of the newscast length. That's the report from here gang..... Cheers Cheesy * - newscast repeated overnight ** - newscast repeated at 6:30p on KFWD/52 *** - newscast repeated at 11p on KFWD/52 # - total not including overnight repeats ## - total not including 9a-10a local-fluff Good Morning Texas - total not including sports recap shows Dallas/Fort Worth: KDFW/4, Fox -- M-F: 5a-9a, 12p-12:30p, 5p-6:30p, 9p-10:30p* = 7 hrs 30 mins# Sat: 7a-9a, 6p-7p, 9p-10p* = 4 hours# Sun: 5p-6p, 9p-10p = 2 hours station total: 43 hrs 30 mins/week KXAS/5, NBC -- M-F: 5a-7a, 4p-5:30p, 6p-6:30p, 10p-10:35p = 4 hrs 30 mins Sat: 6a-7a, 9a-10a, 6p-6:30p, 10p-10:30p = 3 hours Sun: 6a-7a, 8a-9a, 5p-5:30p, 10p-10:30p = 3 hours station total: 28 hrs 30 mins/week WFAA/8, ABC -- M-F: 5a-7a, 12p-1p, 5p-5:30p, 6p-6:30p**, 10p-10:35p*** = 4 hrs 30 mins#,## Sat: 7a-9a, 6p-6:30p**, 10p-10:30p* = 3 hours# Sun: 8a-9:30a, 10p-10:30p*** = 2 hours#, station total: 27 hrs 30 mins/week KTVT/11, CBS -- M-F: 5a-7a, 4p-4:30p, 5p-5:30p, 6p-6:30p, 10p-10:35p* = 4 hours# Sat: 6p-6:30p, 10p-10:30p = 1 hour Sun: 10p-10:30p = 30 minutes station total: 21 hrs 30 mins/week KTXA/21, indie (shares news dept. with KTVT)-- M-F: 7p-9p = 2 hours Sat: 7p-9p = 2 hours Sun: 7p-9p = 2 hours station total: 14 hours/week KUVN/23, Univision -- M-F: 5p-5:30p, 10p-10:30p = 1 hour Sat: 5p-5:30p, 10p-10:30p = 1 hour Sun: 10p-10:30p = 30 minutes station total: 6 hrs 30 mins/week KODF/26, Azteca America -- M-F: 4:30p-5p, 10:30p-11p = 1 hour station total: 5 hours/week KDAF/33, CW -- M-F: 5:30p-6p, 9p-10p = 1 hr 30 mins

Sat: 5:30p-6p, 9p-10p = 1 hr 30 mins Sun: 5:30p-6p, 9p-9:30p = 1 hour station total: 10 hours/week KXTX/39, Telemundo -- M-F: 5p-5:30p, 10p-10:30p = 1 hour station total: 5 hours/week Market total: 161 hrs 30 mins/week Shocked Shocked One more thing. Seeing how I provided the news times for FOX 61, I might as well bring up the other Hartford Stations. WFSB - 3 - CBS - Merideth Weekdays *5AM-7AM Eyewitness News This Morning 12PM-1230PM Eyewitness News at Noon 5PM-630PM Eyewitness News at 5, 530, and 6 Monday-Thursday 11PM-11:35PM Eyewitness News at 11 Fridays 11PM-11:15PM Eyewtiness News at 11 **On Fridays from 11:15PM-11:35PM is a High School Sports Highlights Show :-( * Prior to CBS's Mandate that affiliates must carry both hours of The Early Show, Eyewitness News This Morning aired until 8AM with a few cut-ins to the network at 7:15 and 7:45. Saturdays 6AM-9AM Eyewitness News This Morning (They do not air The Saturday Early Show) 6PM-630PM 11PM-11:35PM Sundays 6AM-9AM 630PM-7PM 11PM-11:15 *11:15-11:35 is Bernie's Sport's Sunday - Highlights of Sporting Events from the past week. (Bernie's is a local Electronics Chain that sponsors the show) Total Hours on Channel 3 = 30 hours and 45 mins week WTNH - 8 - ABC - LIN-TV Weekdays 5AM-7AM Good Morning Connecticut 7AM-8AM Good Morning Connecticut on MY TV 9 12PM-12:30PM News Channel 8 at Noon 5PM-630PM News Channel 8 at 5, 530, 6 10PM-10:35PM News Channel 8 at 10 on MY TV 9 11PM-11:35PM News Channel 8 at 11 Saturdays/Sundays 6AM-8AM Good Morning Connecticut Weekend 6PM-630PM News Channel 8 at 6 Weekend 10PM-1035PM News Channel 8 at 10 on MY TV 9 Weekend 11PM-11:35PM News Channel 8 at 11 Total Hours on WTNH and MY TV 9 = 33 hours and 10 mins per week WVIT - NBC O&O - 30

Weekdays 5AM-7AM NBC Connecticut News Today 11AM-12PM NBC Connecticut News at 11 5PM-630PM NBC Connecticut News at 5, 530, 6 11PM-11:35PM NBC Connecticut News at 11 Saturdays 6AM-7AM NBC Connecticut News Saturday 9AM-10AM NBC Connecticut News at 9 6PM-630P NBC CT News at 6 11PM-11:30 NBC CT News at 11 Sundays 7AM-8AM NBC CT News Today at 7 9AM-10AM NBC CT News Today at 9 6PM-630PM NBC CT News at 6 11PM-11:20PM NBC CT News at 11* *Sunday Sports Replay 11:20-11:40* Airs following the conclusion of Sunday Night Football Total Number of Hours for NBC Connecticut: 28 hours and 20 mins week Heck, I can remember back in the late '60s CBS radio would have its correspondents around the world doing "Santa sightings," with Douglas Edwards (yes, television's pioneering anchor) holding things together in New York, checking in to see where Santa "was" at any given time. Maybe the CBS News team had a good time doing this, but somehow when I think of CBS doing this, even if it was on radio and had a much smaller audience, the idea of local weathercasters doing "Santa sightings" doesn't seem quite so silly...even though it is. Really?? Where do you live? I live in The Hartford-New Haven Market. Lots of undercover stories such as: unlicensed contractors, exposes about supermarkets breaking the health code, child predators living near schools, etc, etc, etc. WLNE-6-ABC Weekdays 5-7 Good Morning Providence 7-8 Good Morning Providence on News Channel 5 12-12:30 WLNE6 News at Noon 16:00-17:00 WLNE6 News at 4 18:00-18:30 WLNE6 News at 6 19:00-19:30 WLNE6 News at 7 23:00-23:35 WLNE6 News at 11 Saturdays 08:00-08:30 Good Morning Providence on News Channel 5 19:00-19:30 WLNE6 News at 7 23:30-00:05 WLNE6 News at 11 Sundays 10:00-10:30 WLNE6 News Weekend 18:30-19:00 WLNE6 News at 6:30

23:00-23:35 WLNE6 News at 11 Total = 10:48:00 WPRI-12-Lin TV Weekdays 05:00-07:00 Eyewitness News This Morning 07:00-08:00 Eyewitness News This Morning on FOX Providence 12:00-12:30 Eyewitness News at Noon 17:00-18:30 Eyewitness News 22:00-23:00 Eyewitness News at 10 on Fox Providence (Sports Wrap at 10:45) 23:00-23:35 Eyewitness News at 11 Saturday 06:00-08:00 Eyewitness News 18:00-18:30 Eyewitness News at 6 22:00-22:30 Eyewitness News at 10 on Fox Providence 23:00-23:35 Eyewitness News at 11 Sundays 06:00-09:00 Eyewitness News 18:30-19:00 Eyewitness News at 6:30 22:00-22:35 Eyewitness News at 10 on Fox Providence 23:00-23:35 Eyewitness News at 11 Total = 37hrs What I like about some of these American stations, is that they offer newscasts at multiple times of day to maximize when viewers can watch. Of course stations are going to repeat content from other newscasts, but unless you're at home all day and watch TV all day, you're not going to watch every single newscast from start to finish. Most Canadian stations have so little local news that viewers close enough to the U.S. border simply turn to U.S. stations when they want news. I know a number of people who watch Detroit stations on weekend mornings when no Canadian stations have any news, or when there are severe weather events and the Canadian stations have absolutely nothing. In recent years, the stations in my area (Mobile-Pensacola) have been putting more weather information on the screen in the form of larger tickers, small maps highlighting counties, and numerous interruptions of network programming (including news programs). Today's local programming before the arrival of a hurricane is a good example of what happens frequently in my area when it comes to certain weather conditions. WPMI-TV and WALA-TV have large weather graphics squeezing the pictures on four stations combined due to their ownership. WPMI-TV's graphics cause programs broadcast in high definition to appear in standard definition. Between 3:00 PM and 5:00 PM yesterday, WPMI-TV interrupted network programming for weather reports, but kept the network program on screen in a box. The weather report appeared on both WPMI-TV and WJTC-TV (a co-owned independent station). WEAR-TV, which interrupted "Good Morning America" after a commercial break with another weather report, even though the network program is also featuring reports about the same weather conditions, has graphics blocking words on the screen. Unlike WPMI-TV, WEAR-TV and WKRG-TV have the ability to broadcast high definition programs along with weather graphics. So far, WKRGTV has been using a scrolling ticker with white letters on a black background occasionally. Interesting. Our local newscasts will do exposes and the occasional 'hidden camera' type story especially the ABC 7 "I-Team." but the stories tend to come along sporadically, and aren't attached to sweeps months. They're usually no more than 2 or 3 parts. Though they are teased in promos during the day, and especially during prime-time, they don't go all out like they used to for sweeps periods.

Local news in the Bay Area has become very low key over the last decade - none of the stations is particularly sensationalistic, and nobody brags anymore about being "number one at 11:00" or whatever. I don't even know what the ratings are for local newscasts here because nobody ever talks about it, or publicizes the numbers. Even though the tropical cyclone in the Gulf of Mexico is now considered a tropical storm, WALATV and WEAR-TV are interrupting regular programming every hour with weather reports and the graphics described in my previous post are still in use. During "Good Morning America", WEAR-TV had two different scrolling tickers on the screen at one time before using a weather map graphic near the center of the screen again. WPMI-TV and WJTC-TV are still using the graphics that squeeze the picture and made watching "Today" and "Family Feud" tough for me. WKRG-TV updates viewers every hour by putting regular programming (with audio) and a weather map in separate boxes. Speaking of Good Morning America, WTNH covers up GMA's ticker with their own local news ticker. The only time you can see GMA's ticker is when they squeeze the picture to show school closings because of snow. WALA-TV's one-hour newscasts at 5:00 PM and 9:00 PM each had one more half hour today after reporting mainly on the tropical cyclone and featuring a special report and guest during the late newscast for the November ratings period. WEAR-TV's one-hour newscast at 10:00 PM was longer than usual, since the usual tape-delay version of "Nightline" began at about 11:13 PM. WALA-TV interrupted network programming tonight for long updates on the weather and WPMI-TV updated viewers during commercial breaks in prime time and late night. As I was creating this post, WKRG-TV interrupted "The Late Late Show" with a weather report (flash flood watch) at 12:00 AM. This is the first such interruption I noticed on WKRG-TV since Monday morning. I can understand the Mobile/Pensacola stations devoting significant amounts of time to Ida, but here's what I can't figure out: several years ago, ABC was pressuring its affiliates to clear "Nightline" live at 11:35/10:35. How did WEAR manage to hold out? According to the book "Hot Talk: All Talk, All the Time" by Howard Kurtz, only 60 percent of ABC's affiliates were airing "Nightline" live in 1992. By this time, ABC provided "Nightline" free of charge and kept three and a half minutes of commercial time for the network, while the stations had three minutes of local commercial time. Some folks from the stations said carrying "Nightline" live would cost them close to one million dollars in potential advertising revenue over the course of one year. In the summer of 1992, at a meeting of ABC affiliate representatives in Los Angeles, California, Ted Koppel said, "You are making this job increasingly difficult for us. We are trying to do this with one hand tied behind our back. If this (the delay of "Nightline") continues, we will reach a point that I decide you don't care enough about keeping the program alive, and I will reach the appropriate conclusion." Roone Arledge, the president of ABC News, could not attend the meeting in person due a recent operation involving cancer of the prostate, but sent a similar message to the stations representatives by videotape. In 1994, Ted Koppel, Roone Arledge, Robert Iger, the president of ABC, and Tom Murphy, the chairman of Capital Cities/ABC, visited ABC affiliates and their executives and made deals in which stations carrying "Nightline" live would be allowed to sell seven more 30-second commercial advertisements during other ABC programs, including "20/20". By 1995, 78 percent of ABC's affiliates were airing "Nightline" live. Minneapolis, Minnesota, Cincinnati, Ohio, Kansas City,

Missouri, and San Antonio, Texas were mentioned as "significant holdouts", but not MobilePensacola. By the way, WKRG-TV pre-empted "The Early Show" today for two more hours of the local morning newscast, including more reports on tropical cyclone named "Ida". WPMI-TV and WEAR-TV aired their network morning programs with weather graphics either obstructing or squeezing the picture. In the 9:00 AM hour, all the stations stopped displaying weather graphics. By 9am this morning, Ida was no longer considered a tropical system by the weather service and all the watches and warnings were dropped. WEAR-TV, which interrupted "Good Morning America" after a commercial break with another weather report, even though the network program is also featuring reports about the same weather conditions... Assuming WEAR-TV was running GMA 7-9 AM CT that day (its regular timeslot, per the program schedule on their website), it was definitely appropriate since the network show is an hour old when it airs in the Central zone. Same for the CBS and NBC 7 AM shows. lLocal TV news is the ONLY programming originated by TV these days, and the big thing they SELL out in the community, so it is not likely to go away. That's too bad since our versions, at least, are virtually useless. Examples: AM and noon newscasts have recycled sports news from the day before. Anyone actually interested in what happened probably would have been watching the actual event(s) or would have tuned in to the late news the night before. Useless. AM (and sometimes noon) have traffic reports but they are typically 10-30 minutes after the fact enabling anyone watching then hopping into their vehicle for the daily commute to arrive along with everyone else. Marginally useful. No traffic reports on evening news to speak of (since first evening newscast comes on at 5 (before actual rush hour) and then again at 6 (when you are already caught up in the mess you were trying to avoid). Totally useless. All newscasts have three, count 'em, three presentations of local weather. One a teaser at beginning of show which usually gives a summary, one in the middle of the show which adds national temps and still one more summary at show's end. One is enough. Not very useful (especially when weather person is live promoting some useless event for most of the segment). In between, the "news" contains repeats of the national news (just aired or about to be aired) and breathtaking local news such as house fires and traffic accidents - things we all need to hear to be useful citizens. If there is a local story of wide interest (such as today's visit to Phoenix by the VP) it consists of headlines only with no detailed information. Oh....forgot dramatic shots of VP's motorcade whistling through deserted streets. Virtually worthless. And the teasers....I forgot the teasers. Most stations have local news at 5 & 6 and national news at 5:30. Not only do most of these newscasts miss working/commuting people all together but frequently have screaming teasers for the late night news at 10. And in the Phx market the relative few news stories are punctuated all too frequently by shouting lawyers and screaming car dealers. Complete waste.

Generally agree, but a couple of thoughts...

The weather teasers work. Research study after research study show that local tv news viewers want weather. I don't get it, but apparently it is true. So the teases are built in as a ratings builder. The recycled sports are pretty obvious. In most cases, the sports guy does a pre-recorded bit (the night of), for the morning news. Many times the early evening traffic reports are not meant for those stuck in traffic, or even those planning to drive, but for those waiting for loved ones to come home. (I suppose many today would call or text that info to their families, but not in all cases)... The 10p, 11p teases are obnoxious, but evidently work to bring those viewers back later in the evening. Unfortunately, with most local tv news, most of the story has already been told in the "tease". One more thought: I agree shots of motorcades, etc. are useless, but for some reason when it happens locally, viewers eat it up. (Wow, we've got an important figure right here in our city!) Human nature, and probably has a root way back to Dallas in '63. I know, sounds like a stretch, but that episode is so ingrained in our minds, it is real. Could be that stations feel an obligation to carry motorcades in the wake of JFK's assassination. Ironically (as I think everyone here knows), none of the Dallas/Ft. Worth stations carried JFK's motorcade. WBAP (KXAS) had carried his breakfast speech in Ft. Worth that morning and had not planned any more live coverage; KRLD (KDFW) and WFAA had planned to carry his speech at the Trade Mart live at 1 PM (CT), so there were no camera crews on the motorcade route and thus no pictures of the shooting, other than the Zapruder film (although I think there may have been other spectators taking pictures which didn't provide much, if any, information). I suppose that since then, stations want to carry motorcades live, just in case something like that happens again. A 40-year old news event driving, no pun intended, local coverage decisions today, on the miniscule chance something bad would happen? Not likely. It happens to be something people, for whatever reason(s) pay attention to. I totally get the pre-recorded sports bit; I'm not staying up to watch the late news, and want a combination of headlines--sports included--weather, traffic, etc., while watching the morning news getting ready to head out to work. SportsCenter or the local equivalents are great for those who want the more detailed sports options; for the rest of us, the brief recap is fine. I tend to agree with you on the JFK motorcade, I threw it out only as a possible "root" of why this type of coverage occurs today. I agree, the reasons today have more to do with trying to be as local as possible, and for some reason viewers are fascinated by this kind of stuff. Perhaps the news editors are too. AM and noon newscasts have recycled sports news from the day before. Anyone actually interested in what happened probably would have been watching the actual event(s) or would have tuned in to the late news the night before. Useless. I have watched morning newscasts (primarily weekend morning newscasts) in which even all of the news was a rehash of the previous evening's newscast. I remember watching the news one morning, and seeing and hearing one recycled story after another! It got so bad that I was yelling at the TV! "I've seen that before!" or "I've already heard that," or "I already know that," or "so what

else is new?" Sports, on the other hand, should be recycled, because no sporting events take place during the overnight hours. However, sometimes a late score will be added to a previously taped sportscast. If were there fewer and shorter newscasts, more people would be watching, and more money and employees would be saved. A one-hour weekday newscast at 6:00 AM, a half-hour newscast at 5:00 PM or 6:00 PM, and a half-hour newscast at 10:00 PM would do much better for stations in my area. What's needed is more localized news. Local TV stations that do news need to get together with the cable companies that carry their signal and arrange for the technology to be put in place for a super-local opt-out service direct to that community served by the wider signal. Give the example of WFMY in Greensboro: viewers in Winston-Salem on cable could have a 5-10 minute part of the evening news that's pre-recorded and has news that's more of interest to people in Winston-Salem than Greensboro - High Point viewers could have their local bits and Burlington too and so on. For OTA viewers and satellite viewers, they would see a general pre-recorded 5-10 minute segment of local news that pertains to the whole viewing area. WFMY also run a 2-2 signal which in general is just a weather display with some public service announcements and such - these pre-recorded bits could also be fed into the 2-2 signal so that OTA viewers can still get the content - and then there's the Internet where this content would also be made available for the download, subject to "paying the price of watching a short local commercial". However, financial pressures would mean this kind of thing would not happen, at least in commercial TV land anyway. TV news is looking for consolidation, not diversification. The worst case of consolidation I have ever seen has been in the UK - with ITV - they wanted to cut back on local news so badly, they merged 4 TV regional news programs together in the south of England and pre-recorded lots more segments. I could easily see WFMY, WRAL, WBTV and others merging their news operations together here in NC, producing a state-wide evening "local" news cast with pre-recorded opt outs for each viewing area to give the idea that the stations are still local, but your Asheville news cast and your Wilmington news cast is actually coming from a studio complex in Raleigh. Mark. Several cases I've seen of split local newscasts: - WSAZ/3 in Huntington/Charleston, WV, ran (still runs?) a split newscast at 6pm - viewers in Charleston get Charleston news (via a translator/cable) and viewers in Huntington (on the main signal) get Huntington/regional news (the station has anchors in both Charleston and Huntington). - KOB/4/Albuquerque used to insert a 10 minute "local-cast" - mostly rip and read - on satellite KOBR/8/Roswell; likewise, KBIM/10/Roswell started the noon news from KRQE/13/Albuquerque but then cut away to finish the newscast with local news and interviews (KBIM did run a totally separate evening newscast). - CFRN/3/Edmonton, AB, used to (may still) insert pre-recorded segments into main satellites stations around the province (CFRN Central Alberta News, CFRN Grande Prairie News) - in this case, they did bring local news to areas that wouldn't normally support a full local newscast. - NBC Montana stations air - NBC North Dakota airs KFYR news on KUMV/8/Williston for the first 10 minutes, then KUMV takes over for the last 20 of the 6pm newscast. This also used to be done on KMOT/10/Minot, but now KMOT has a full local newscast. I've Lived in Missoula So I know about tv in montana The Montana Television Network (aka Montana's News Station) all have separate newscasts except the Noon news which is out of KTVQ in Billings

I've seen these type of newscasts (in Montana, and Wyoming), not Missoula, but in the Butte/Bozeman/Billings area, and they seem quite disjointed and hard to watch. I think I would rather watch one local station from one city than a combination 'cast, even if the quality was a bit lower. A news director in a smaller rocky mountain market admitted to me that these markets are "training markets" in essence. They can't pay anything even resembling a decent salary, and they actually expect the talent to move on within a year or so. Sometimes they try and tie them down for a 2-year contract, but many break them. And it ain't worth trying to enforce it from a monetary standpoint. This is the reality of smaller market tv news. And in the Phx market the relative few news stories are punctuated all too frequently by shouting lawyers and screaming car dealers. Complete waste. You can say that again Tuna. Here in Denver, we have a "Strong Arm" for a lawyer, a family of other lawyers ALL WITH THE SAME LAST NAME (But have two seperate law firms) & Superman (Or whatever other super hero he wants to be for a day) for a car dealer (Who owns multiple dealerships no less). On top of that, we have a tiger-loving furniture salesman (I kid you not. This guy has been at it for over 30 years!) & a used car dealership that's about as slapstick as slapstick can possibly get with three characters named "Shaggy" & "Officer O'Dell" plus some other chick who's name I can't think of right now. I remember when commercials just had a simple announcer or salesman that didn't dress up in some fancy costume or call themselves or the business/product they were advertising for names like "The Strong Arm". Do you? It it just me or has local advertising become a MAD MAD MAD MAD world these days? Cheers Cheesy Hyper local has worked well for WMGM-TV Atlantic City for years. It's the only game in town, but it competes with the Philadelphia stations. Take that concept, for example, with a station in Cape Cod that does news for that part of Massachusetts. But it competes with other stations in Boston. This takes deep pockets... but for a tv station trying to carve a niche, it can be successful. I'd like some feedback on this one: WYMT Hazard, KY produces its own noon, 4, 6, and 11 PM newscasts but takes the 5-6 PM segment from sister station WKYT Lexington (my unprovable contention is that WYMT would take Lexington's noon newscast except that WKYT's is an hour, while "Y&R" airs in Hazard in pattern at 12:30 and isn't likely to change). How does anybody feel about this arrangement? I don't think CFRN is doing that anymore. CKCO in Kitchener, Ontario used to do that with its stations in Sarnia and Wiarton/Huntsville, but that has also been discontinued. The MCTV stations in Northern Ontario may still do that. Until recently CFPL London did that for CKNX Wingham. And in Newfounaldland and Labrador, the supperhour news was run from CBNT in St. John's, but there were inserts for CBYT Corner Brook (Here & Now from the West Coast), CBNLT Labrador City, and CFLA-TV Goose Bay. That was discontinued in 1991. I didn't think that CFRN was doing that anymore - CTVglobemedia has made the "satellite" stations nearly full satellites. The catch is that in order to run local commercials on the "satellites", the "satellites" have to run a certain amount of "local" programming per week (dependent on market size and other factors - and it didn't have to necessarily be locally produced, but separate from the

primary station). I have a feeling that the bean counters got into the books and discovered that for the 10 minutes of Car and Tractor Dealership ads on the secondary stations, it wasn't worth the staff in the smaller towns. I do believe, though, that there have been a couple of stations in Canada where truly local news has been reintroduced: both Yorkton and Prince Albert, Saskatchewan were for a while just repeating Regina and Saskatoon respectively, but both have added some local news back (Yorkton at Supperhour and PA at noon, I believe). Also, I think that CHWI/Windsor has added local news back after just repeating CFPL's newscasts, but CKNX is now just a full repeater of CFPL. There was a bit of consolidation in the CBC local news world in the early 90s (CBLN/London, Newfoundland and Labrador's stations). I almost forgot about the "CBC Alberta News" from the mid 90's. 1 anchor in Edmonton, 1 in Calgary, province-wide weather, 2 sports guys - 1 in each city. (Weekends were run out of Edmonton, I believe - of course back then CBC had local weekend news - plus some Kick-a news themes). I'll have to dig out my tape of this from a trip back then. CHWI never repeated CFPL's newscasts per se, although for a number of years their newscasts were produced entirely out of London and the anchors were even in London, the reporters were based in Windsor and Chatham. CHWI to this day repeats weekend newscasts from CFPL, and when that station had noon news they also repeated that. CBET Windsor did however repeat the CBC newscasts from Toronto from 1991-94, but that station had its local news brought back. CBLN repeated the Toronto newscasts from day one in 1988, although there was a London-area reporter for awhile. Is your network affiliated outlet's 11/10PM newscast ready to expand to a hour? Well, if KOVR/Sacramento can successfully do it, how about KITV/Honolulu... http://www.kitv.com/station/21629752/detail.html This could be the future of your late night newscast coming from your ABC and CBS stations (and NBC affils if they go that route), so move over FOX, CW, and Indies, you just got company. With the Leno numbers, I think it's only a matter of time (and probably not much time) before a NBC affiliate somewhere jumps ship & runs 90 minutes of local news 9-10:30CT. (10-11:30ET/PT) That's exactly what Ed Ansin, owner of the NBC affiliate in Boston (WHDH) threatened to do several months before Leno started. At the time, he was painted as a troublemaker and none of the other affiliates followed suit. NOW, he's looking more and more like a visionary. If the bleeding continues through the first major round of reruns next month, either NBC will have to do something about Leno or affiliates may well start jumping ship on his show. Back in September, our local ABC affiliate added an additional half hour newscast right after their 10pm newscast. I don't see the CBS, ABC, & NBC stations in Chicago going to an hour. Fox in Chicago added a 10pm newscast on top of the 9pm newscast, but ratings for the 10pm news were low, that they cancelled it. They went back to what was then reruns of the Simpsons. Now, The Simpsons are on at 10:30pm, with The Office preceding The Simpsons. I don't see WGN-TV expanding their news to the 10pm slot anytime soon. Prior to 1987, they were the only station with news at 9pm. WGN does well with reruns of Family Guy & Two & A Half Men in the 10 & 10:30 timeslots. Why would they want to do this? The affiliates run an hour of news earlier in the day. The whole point of an 11:00/10:00 late newscast is to give viewers a shorter news wrap-up before bed. I

doubt most viewers want an hour of news at that hour. And I doubt the networks on the eastern and pacific time zones would want their late programming (particularly Conan and Letterman) shifted to midnight. KOVR Sacramento is a special case. Even though they're on Pacific time, CBS has allowed them to run prime time programming from 7:00 to 10:00 to counter-program the competing NBC and ABC stations. This allows KOVR to run a full hour of news at 10:00, then start Letterman at 11:00 when the other 2 affiliates are running local news. As far as I know, KOVR is the only station in the nation that's allowed to do this, and they've been doing it for more than a decade. KPIX San Francisco tried it in the 90s, but CBS pulled the plug on it after a few years. I haven't been in Hawaii since the 1980s, but last time I was there, they time-shifted everything, and late news started at 9:30 on one affiliate, and 10:00 for the other 2. So Hawaii is also a special case. I recall that in the '70s WCCO Minneapolis-St. Paul tried a 45-minute newscast (10-10:45 CT) and was hard-put to fill that time every night; they abandoned it long before becoming a CBS o&o. I'm not sure viewers in the Eastern time zone would want to watch news until midnight, but you never know. Here in ATL, FOX 5 NEWS airs news from 10pm-11:30pm. I don't see any of the other stations adding 30 more mintues to the 11 o'clock hour. I once applied at an ABC affiliate that ran an hour of news at 10:00. They had always pushed Nightline back 30 minutes, and used the 10:30 for syndication. After the last syndication contract expired, they decided to expand the news because it was cheaper, not because they had all sorts of terrific news content. Considering the size of the Mobile-Pensacola TV market, recent terminations of employees, an increase in paid programming during the daytime, the quiet cancellation of a one-hour newscast 9:00 AM newscast (on WKRG-TV), and the quantity of local news reported on a daily basis, I doubt WKRG-TV (CBS) and WPMI-TV (NBC) would want to follow WEAR-TVs (ABC) example of having a one-hour newscast at 10:00 PM and delaying network programming at the expense of viewers. Over the past 25 years, WEAR-TV has delayed ABCs late night programming in favor of situation comedies, a local viewer interaction program called Channel 3 News Extra, a local weekly high school football program at 11:00 PM called Friday Night Final, and finally an expanded 10:00 PM newscast a few years ago. I recall that in the '70s WCCO Minneapolis-St. Paul tried a 45-minute newscast (10-10:45 CT) and was hard-put to fill that time every night; they abandoned it long before becoming a CBS o&o. Little did they know, they would be a step ahead of the times, now that networks start their late night programming at :35 after the hour following late news... That reminds me, will KOVR now actually be airing an hour and 35 minutes of news, as opposed to just one hour? Over the past 25 years, WEAR-TV has delayed ABCs late night programming in favor of... a local weekly high school football program at 11:00 PM called Friday Night Final..."

I don't think WEAR is at fault for this. I believe the FCC mandates at least one television station in each market in the Southeast to delay late-night programming on Friday nights in the fall in favor of a local high-school football recap show. On Fridays, WALA-TV uses the second half of the one-hour newscast at 9:00 PM to report on local high school football, followed by WKRG-TV and WPMI-TV using much of their late half-hour newscasts to report on the same subject, but WEAR-TV continues to have a regular one-hour newscast at 10:00 PM. With the Leno numbers, I think it's only a matter of time (and probably not much time) before a NBC affiliate somewhere jumps ship & runs 90 minutes of local news 9-10:30CT. (10-11:30ET/PT) Is NBC contractually committed to a full season of Leno? I mean, he did host Tonight for 17 years and is considered an "institution" at the Peacock (in Burbank if not at 30 Rock), no? Then again, Ed Sullivan's status as an "institution" didn't prevent the Eye from axing him after 23 years... ixnay I don't see the analogy with Sullivan. Different kind of show, different era. I doubt NBC is contractually obligated to tape or air a full season of Leno, so if they consider the show an unmitigated disaster, they could certainly pay him off and cancel the show. But NBC has said repeatedly that lower 10:00 PM ratings are to be expected, but are worth it considering the savings they are realizing from not having to pay for 5 hours a week of one-hour dramas. I think they'll commit to the experiment for at least one season. Remember that when they took Leno off the Tonight Show, they considered him a potential threat if ABC hired him for late night. If NBC cancels Leno after a year, I think he would be considered damaged goods, and less likely to go back to late night. It's not like he needs the money - he can just go into semi-retirement, and he'd be popular doing stand up in places like Vegas. The only wild cards are the affiliates - if they scream too loudly about the erosion in ratings for their late news, NBC could reconsider. I must make an important correction to my earlier post: WEAR-TVs Friday night high school football program is titled Prep Football Final. The "Friday Night" error came from recalling the day of the week when the program airs. I must also mention WALA-TV repurposing the second half-hour of the 9:00 PM newscast titled First and 10 (Friday night high school football) for broadcast at 11:00 PM on WFNA-TV, which has recently changed call letters from WBPG-TV. As a result, Seinfeld is moved to 1:00 AM on this CW Television Network affiliate, delaying other syndicated programs by half an hour. I believe that Jay has a two-year contract. If NBC cancels his show, he still gets a huge payout. Conan's contract allows them to show him the door for something in the neighborhood of $40M, which is why Jay was pushed into primetime. Contracts can be broken, of course, but I doubt either will be headed anywhere soon. Jay's ratings will stay consistent (consistently bad). He still runs neck-and-neck with ABC on most nights and costs about a quarter of what a scripted program costs. His ratings will spike every so often, crater periodically, and rebound. It's not a program that expects a 4.0 demo rating.

Once Comcast buys 51% of NBC, NBC will have even more cable channels and that is the future. Broadcasting is dead. Nichecasting is the future. Oxygen, Bravo, MSNBC, CNBC, Syfy, CI, Sleuth, WeatherChannel, and a few others will become the focus of the new Comcast. NBC will have 4 hours "Today", four hours of "Tonight", extensive sports programming, and two hours of Prime Time. NBC needs to fix 8-10PM before worrying about the other 22 hours a day. Totally agree. Most 11pm newscasts would find disaster by expanding to an hour and delaying Letterman/Conan. Plus, I gotta believe that Letterman and Conan have contracts that would make this very difficult for affiliates. The Leno problem is real. I have nothing to base this on but opinion, but I don't see Leno at 10/9pm lasting much longer than early 2010. Question is, contracts, and flexibility in these contracts, and allowing for all parties to move into better situations is the key. Conan could be the odd man out here, but again, just a guess and an opinion based on no inside knowledge. Well, if KOVR/Sacramento can successfully do it, how about KITV/Honolulu... http://www.kitv.com/station/21629752/detail.html This could be the future of your late night newscast coming from your ABC and CBS stations (and NBC affils if they go that route), so move over FOX, CW, and Indies, you just got company. This might hold true with small town ABC & CBS affiliates where those networks won't sweat it by having Nightline & David Letterman delayed an extra half hour, but I can't see affiliates in large cities doing this. NBC affiliates OTOH won't be as intimidated as Ed Ansin so kindly demonstrated with WHDH in Boston. In fact, with KUSA being in a neck & neck battle with CBS O&O KCNC 4 (And ABC affiliate KMGH 7 right on their coat tails behind them), it wouldn't surprise me if Gannett pulled the trigger so they could in a full two hours of news between KUSA 9 & sister station KTVD 20 in the 9:00-11:05 PM slot. I mean, it's no like KTVD really needs to broadcast Entertainment Tonight at 9:30 PM anyway because KUSA 9 has it on at 6:30 PM to begin with. And with KCNC 4 being a CBS O&O, I think it's pretty safe to say that PIGS WILL GROW WINGS before they deviate from network programming. They used to do that when they were an NBC O&O as they didn't broadcast The Doctors soap opera for the last 10+ years of its run & they stopped broadcasting Search For Tomorrow shortly after the move from CBS to NBC (Supposedly due to low ratings in the case of the latter. I know having wrote to the station once). Just my opinion from Denver..... Cheers Cheesy Chicago's WLS-TV airs Jimmy Kimmel at 12:05am in order to air Oprah Winfrey (repeats the same day episode in that timeslot). Oprah has been on at 11:05pm for several years. I don't know what WLS-TV will put in that time slot once Oprah ends her talk show in 2011. WLS-TV does air Nightline at 10:35pm. Really? I wonder how they cover up the ABC promos for JKL during Nightline segments. Do they just suddenly cut away to a local commercial or something? Just curious as to how they handle that..... Cheers Cheesy As far as the promos, if it's anything like my experience with a CBS affiliate, they would have to

cover the JK promo with another network (not local) promo. I don't see anyone in Eastern/Pacific running an hour at 11. More likely in Central/Mountain. We already have an hour long newscast at 10pm. another network (not local) promo. No. The promo occurs just as Nightline takes a break. It doesn't occur during the break itself. Quote I don't see anyone in Eastern/Pacific running an hour at 11. More likely in Central/Mountain. We already have an hour long newscast at 10pm. As I said before, if ANYONE here in Denver does this, it would be KUSA 9. In fact, I can see them doing something like this with 9NEWS before too awful long..... 9:00-10:00 PM KTVD 20 (The co-owned MyNetwork TV affiliate sister station, which currently has 9NEWS from 9:00-9:30 PM with a rerun of Entertainment Tonight at 9:30 PM. This would give them a much better chance of competing against KDVR 31, which owns the 9:00 PM news war since they started just a few years ago) 10:00-11:05 KUSA 9 (I seriously doubt NBC is going to have a cow or threaten to pull affiliation or balk like they did with KMGH 7 back in 1995 because NBC no longer has the leverage with Conan O'Brien as host of The Tonight Show). Just my opinion though..... Cheers Cheesy I thought KCNC was the NBC affiliate in Denver before KUSA. Would it have been CBS that had the problem with KMGH over the scheduling of Letterman? I can remember when only two NBC affiliates were allowed to delay Carson (and I'm not counting the ones like WMAR, WTMJ, and WSMV that dropped him for "Thicke Of The Night" or sitcom reruns for a time in the '80s); for years, KARE Minneapolis-St. Paul and WVTM Birmingham carried Carson on delay but not because of expanded local news-- both led into Carson with sitcom reruns (OK, I think KARE's 10 PM news might have run until 10:35 or 10:40). In Denver, a rarity...all three big-3's changed affiliation in '95. KUSA9--ABC to NBC KCNC4--NBC to CBS KMGH7--CBS to ABC Amazing the calls never changed with any of them. Why would the call letters change? I'm not from Denver, so I'm not sure what the significance of KMGH is...but if your call letters are as great as K-U-S-A, you'd be crazy to change them. KCNC actually works better for CBS than NBC. Kind of reminds me of KNTV - which became the Bay Area's NBC affiliate in 2002. Perfect call letters, but they actually had those same calls in the 60s and 70s when they were an ABC affiliate.

KMGH=McGraw-Hill, the owner of the station. KCNC=Colorado's News Channel I'm sure KUSA gets its calls from the fact that its owner, Gannett, publishes USA Today. Its sister station in Washington is WUSA. I can't think of an example (maybe one) where the call letters changed on an affiliation switch; I think WTVK in Knoxville became WKXT (and now WVLT) and moved from Ch. 26 to Ch. 8 when it went from NBC to CBS. I do remember (citing the network switch I remember best) that when WSB and WXIA switched, both stations got a number of calls asking if it was now going to be WXIA Ch. 2 and WSB Ch. 11 (since NBC had been on 2 and ABC on 11). Personnel at both stations had to point out that only the network programming was going to change, not the personnel, channels, call letters, or non-network programming. In short, ABC would move to WSB Ch. 2 and NBC to WXIA Ch. 11. Done and done. and before KCNC it was KOA-TV where thanks to its then-radio partner 50,000 AM radio station 850 KOA stood for "Klear Over America". KOA radio talk show host Rick Barber has brought this up on his program quite a few times in the past. Yeah, I guess call letter changes are quite rare, despite network affiliation changes. And I think there were a lot more of them in the 50's/60's. I just thought that is was odd that all three Denver big-3's changed and kept the same calls. I agree, KUSA is unbeatable. Frankly, I always thought KMGH meant "mile high", but "McGraw Hill" makes more sense! WGPR-TV in Detroit changed call letters to WWJ-TV shortly after it switched from being an independent to a CBS affiliate in late 1994. It wasn't immediate, but it was less than three years later. There were a few cases of call letters changing when UPN and The WB shut down, and The CW and MyNetworkTV were launched. Again in Detroit, WDWB changed to WMYD. It seems to me this also happened with the CW affiliates in Pittsburgh and the Bay Area. Call letter changes tend to be more heavily associated with ownership changes, and in the case of WGPR/WWJ there was an ownership change involved as the station became a CBS O&O. I thought KCNC was the NBC affiliate in Denver before KUSA. It was. But KCNC was an NBC O&O at the time it was sold to CBS. Quote Would it have been CBS that had the problem with KMGH over the scheduling of Letterman? No because for the short time they had Letterman, he was just getting himself established in the earlier timeslot & CBS was still struggling to find a suitable host once Pat Sajak's late night show

was cancelled. Now, there is NO WAY that Letterman would be delayed. NBC is struggling in the 11:35 ET/PT/10:35 CT/MT timeslot & CBS (And all of their affiliates) knows it. For CBS affiliates to delay Letterman would be sheer suicide. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. Do you honestly think they're going to squander this GOLDEN opportunity to finally overtake NBC?? I should think not. As for ABC, they're better off doing their own thing. They have Nightline (Which BTW would be very good counter-programming against SNL & MAD Magazine if ABC had the guts to do it IMO) & JKL. They don't need anything else. FOX is better off leaving the Mon-Fri late nights to its affiliates as they always have since Joan Rivers left as they can do a better job than the network itself can (Then again, they could conceivably repeat Best Damn.... and have an edition of Final Score produced for the FOX network by FSN if they really wanted to go that route too. But that's just a thought). Anyhow.....Just my opinion..... Cheers Cheesy You know, we lived there when I was in the 1st grade right about that time, and i don't remember that. I only remember 11, 5 and 9 playing musical affiliates, with 11 and 5 winning that battle (although I think 5 got the short end of the stick with ABC). Sorry for going off topic... WCCO's experiment was in the early '70s; it was when Merv was doing a late-night show on CBS, and WCCO had special dispensation from the network fo start him at 10:45. I'll go off-topic here too and agree that KSTP probably did get the short end of the stick with ABC; I don't think it's been nearly as strong with ABC as it was with NBC. In fact, I might argue that KARE/11 was the ultimate big winner in that switch, since it took about five years for the former independent to reach parity (at least in primetime and 10 PM) with 4 and 5, and that's a pretty quick time frame. From 1995 until 2006, KOVR aired their news up to 11:05 PM, but after CBS bought the station from Sinclair in 2005, they adopted the current 11 PM end time but also around that time, August 2006, KOVR expanded their current shift to Saturdays too to conform with the scheduling. But afterwards, it's where it currently stands Quote KOVR Sacramento is a special case. Even though they're on Pacific time, CBS has allowed them to run prime time programming from 7:00 to 10:00 to counter-program the competing NBC and ABC stations. This allows KOVR to run a full hour of news at 10:00, then start Letterman at 11:00 when the other 2 affiliates are running local news. As far as I know, KOVR is the only station in the nation that's allowed to do this, and they've been doing it for more than a decade. KPIX San Francisco tried it in the 90s, but CBS pulled the plug on it after a few years. I haven't been in Hawaii since the 1980s, but last time I was there, they time-shifted everything, and late news started at 9:30 on one affiliate, and 10:00 for the other 2. So Hawaii is also a special case.

When KOVR was an ABC affiliate, they had their news in the original platform like most affiliates, burg when they swapped with KXTV (ABC/CBS), they adapted this current format of 7-10 PM. That's why it worked well with the station and that's the reason they are keeping it this way. "Oprah" Airing on Fox Affiliates? Naturally, a large portion of Oprah's stations are affiliates of either CBS, NBC or ABC. (In the case of the latter network, her show is on ABC O&O's in Chicago, as well as New York and other markets.) However, I had read someone post a comment on another website that Oprah's show runs on the local Fox affiliate. These days, of course, Fox is just as big a network as the aforementioned three. Which Fox stations currently carry Oprah's show? WALA-TV in Mobile has been airing "The Oprah Winfrey Show" since it was an NBC affiliate in 1986. By January 1st, 1996, it became a FOX affiliate. KHON in Honolulu also carries Oprah; they too were a former NBC affiliate. Until 2003, Oprah aired on WBRC the then FOX O&O that carried the show since it's inception. However, it moved to ABC affiliate(s) WBMA/WCFT/WJSU "ABC 33/40" And WBRC itself was an ABC affiliate when Oprah launched nationally. "Jeopardy" At 6:30 (CT)? Anyone? Reading many of the old listings on the Classic TV board, I see especially in the Central Time Zones where "Wheel of Fortune" airs at 6:30 PM right before primetime, while "Jeopardy" languishes on another sot on the schedule. What I'd like to know is if there has even been a station - maybe there is currently - that airs "Jeopardy" right before prime time. And I'm not speaking of stations that air "Wheel" and "Jeopardy" back-to-back prior to prime time, I know there are plenty of those. WIAT Birmingham carried "Jeopardy!" at 6:30 until a couple or so years ago; it ran against "Wheel" on ABC33/40 (WCFT/WJSU). However, it's now on at 6 and "Entertainment Tonight" is on at 6:30. Since WIAT started doing the 6pm news, for the umpteenth time, Jeopardy is now on at 4 and 4:30. That's news to me, since it seems that every time I turn around, WIAT is trying a 6 PM newscast. I was wondering what they'd put at 4, since they run "Let's Make A Deal" in the morning and Wendy Williams (am I right about this?) at 2; I had seen where her show was airing at 2 and 4 in the interim between the end of "Guiding Light" and the debut of "LMAD." I'm assuming that "ET" is on at 6:30. Same situation here in Nashville on channel 30. My parents would know. They watch Jeopardy religiously! Both shows competing against each other in the same market? That's a rarity these days, let alone the shows on different stations in the same market. I thought there would be some kind of "inmarket non-compete" clause similar to what is attached to "Dr. Phil" not being allowed to air opposite "Oprah" (these shows also syndicated by the same company as the game shows). Many years ago, WCBS/2 in New York aired "Wheel" at 7:30, while WABC/7 ran "Jeopardy" at 7 (still does, now followed by "Wheel"). Nashville has Wheel and Jeopardy on different stations in the same market, but not directly

competing with each other. Jeopardy at 6:00 on channel 30, and Wheel on channel 2 at 6:30. Which is what I've been hearing for some time now. Having been away from Birmingham for more than 30 years, it did come as a surprise to learn that Ch. 42 has pretty much leapfrogged the competition; I was there in the days when people made jokes about the station. But I hear that a lot of money has been put into programming; also, I think the station's newscast has been winning a few awards. Nice to see a real race, with 42 challenging the traditional dominance of 6 and 13 in that market. CBS 42 even has a morning show now. ABC 30 Fresno has Jeopardy at 7PM and Wheel at 7:30, and it's been that way for over 20 years. Pacific stations tend to run "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" in the 7-8 PM slot. What the original poster wanted to know is if any stations in the Central time zone have ever run "Jeopardy!" at 6:30. It's pretty easy to find "Wheel" at 6:30 (CT), but few stations have ever tried programming "Jeopardy!" against it in that time zone. In Asheville, NC (WLOS), Greensboro, NC (WFMY) and Florence, SC (WBTW), "Jeopardy" airs at that time. We of course consider that to be 7:30. Cable Carriage of Local Stations on Channel Numbers Other than Their OTA Numbers For example, on my Time Warner system in L.A., KCET (PBS) is carried on channel 6, even though over the air, it's 28. How does this work? The cable system can buy "frequency converters" which will convert any OTA station from its broadcast channel to any other channel. Actually, most larger cable systems receive a fiber feed directly from the TV station and have their own modulators determining what channel the station will show up on on cable. The system may choose any channel they want.* And since the OTA signals went digital in June, often an OTA station isn't really transmitting on the channel you think it's transmitting on. KCET is actually a bit unusual in that it actually is transmitted on the same channel you punch in to view it. KNBC is a more common case -- you may know them as "channel 4", and you may punch in "04" to watch them, either on cable or OTA, but they're actually broadcast on channel 36... In the early days of cable, many systems offered only 12 channels, 2-13. UHF stations like KCET 28 could not be carried on their OTA channel numbers, because cable channel numbers above 13 simply did not exist -- the cable system's hardware would not transmit such channels. In Madison, Wis. where I was in the 1970s and 1980s, channels 15 NBC, 21 PBS, and 27 ABC were on cable on channels 5, 11, and 7 respectively. People in Madison are used to tuning to channel 5 to watch NBC; today there's no technical reason cable couldn't carry NBC-15 on channel 15, but it would confuse the heck out of viewers who've been tuning to 5 for decades... Carrying a VHF station on its OTA channel number could lead to "ingress" interference.** The OTA

signal leaks into the cable and interferes with the cable signal on the same frequency.*** You get a pretty nasty "ghost". Now that the OTA signals are digital, instead of the ghost, the cable signal appears to be much weaker than it really is -- much "snowier". * within guidelines established by the FCC which, to somewhat oversimplify, suggest OTA stations must be carried on their OTA channel or some other mutually-agreeable channel. ** For channels 2-6 this pretty much ceased to be a problem when OTA signals went digital in June. Few stations are using OTA channels below 7 - KNBC may call itself "channel 4" but it's actually broadcast on 36 and thus cannot interfere with a signal on cable channel 4. KCBS is on 43 and KTLA on 31. *** For this reason, it's my understanding it's illegal for a cable system in Canada to carry a station on a channel used by an OTA signal in the same area. Carrying a VHF station on its OTA channel number could lead to "ingress" interference.** The OTA signal leaks into the cable and interferes with the cable signal on the same frequency.*** You get a pretty nasty "ghost". Now that the OTA signals are digital, instead of the ghost, the cable signal appears to be much weaker than it really is -- much "snowier". The Largo area of Pinellas County, FL is served by Bright House's south county system, which carries WTSP channel 10 on channel 10. Largo is roughly 15 miles away from WTSP's Holiday transmitter to the north. Living in that area and getting the south county line-up, I've very rarely gotten a clear picture on channel 10, because of co-channel interference. It's this reason that the north county system, which includes areas surrounding Largo on all sides, carries WTSP on channel 12, instead of 10. *** For this reason, it's my understanding it's illegal for a cable system in Canada to carry a station on a channel used by an OTA signal in the same area. I don't know if such a law does exist, or if it's enforceable -- Videotron's systems in Montreal and Quebec City have most, if not all, of 2-13 occupied, though in most cases, the channel position is occupied by an American channel or a "throw-away" -- for instance, Montreal's Videotron analog system as WETK on cable 6 (the OTA channel for CBMT), and "TV Achats" (a shopping channel) on cable 10 (where CFTM is over the air). In 2001, while vacationing in Ottawa, the Rogers system had American channels on the channel positions as the local OTA channels -- for instance, Rochester's WOKR (WHAM) was on channel 13, where CJOH broadcasted over the air. Of course, due to the questionable cable wiring where I stayed at, many of the upper cable channels were snowy or untunable, and WOKR had CJOH bleeding in. Two words: Fort Myers. You beat me to it. Cable channel 11 would always experience OTA signal leakage from WINK TV's former analog channel 11. Getting back on topic... The stations started identifying themselves exclusively by their cable channel placement numbers around early-to-mid-90s. >>>*** For this reason, it's my understanding it's illegal for a cable system in Canada to carry a

station on a channel used by an OTA signal in the same area.<<< I think w9wi meant that it's not permitted for a Canadian TV station to be carried on cable on its over-the-air channel within its home community. Not that no programming can be carried on a channel that's being used by a local TV station. For instance, in Toronto, CBLT 5 is I believe carried on Channel 6 and CFTO 9 is carried on 8. Other programming is carried on cable channels 5 and 9. But CHCH 11, a station from Hamilton, 40 km away, IS carried on cable in Toronto on 11. I guess that's far enough away not to cause interference. However, in Hamilton, CHCH is NOT carried on Channel 11. A friend of mine was living in Syracuse some years ago and I was surprised to see that his cable system at the time had all the over-the-air channels one channel higher than they broadcast. So channels 3, 5 and 9 showed up on 4, 6 and 10 on his cable system. But I think today's cable systems can better protect against ghosts so the Syracuse cable system back in the 90s rearranged the channels, with the VHF stations being seen on their over-the-air channel position. Of course, with all analog TV signals now turned off, the problem no longer exists in the U.S. Of course, with all analog TV signals now turned off, the problem no longer exists in the U.S. Tell that to my upstairs TV sets, which get terrible ingress from WHEC-DT 10 and WHAM-DT 13 (on RF 10 and 13, respectively) that manifests itself as snowy pictures on the analog cable feeds of WHEC and WHAM (on 10 and 13, respectively). It's better than it was in the analog-against-analog days, and the ingress issue on WROC-TV 8 is gone completely, since WROC-DT is on RF 45, but the problem most certainly continues to exist in some areas. For example, on my Time Warner system in L.A., KCET (PBS) is carried on channel 6, even though over the air, it's 28. How does this work? Look in San Francisco KNTV (NBC) is on Channel 11 on Dish, Directv and on DTV but on Comcast its on channel 3 The cable system serving Richmond, Kentucky placed the OTA on the corresponding cable channel. This was the case until the late 80's when they added the new independent and for a moment replaced Cincinnati with Louisville. Lexington 18, 27, 36 and 46 Cincinnati 5, 9, 12, 19 Louisville 32 & 41 When WDKY was placed on Channel 12 when they signed on and Channel 19 was removed. Around 1990, the Lexington stations requested the larger cable systems in the area to align their channels: 2-27 8-18 10-36 12-46 WDKY didn't request alignment until a few years later. In the last few years, Channel 27 moved to Channel 9 due to low band inference on some sets.

I'm not a technician or anything of that type but looking at my locals: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 21, 25, 31, 41, 47, 63 and 68 are on their respective positions in the cable lineup. 48 is on 91 50 is on 165 54 is on 98 66 is on 96 I don't get WSAH, WNYN or WPXO. The only channels where there's an issue with PQ are 9 and 25, IMO. Then again, I mostly watch for sports, so I can't vouch for the PQ of the rest. >>>*** For this reason, it's my understanding it's illegal for a cable system in Canada to carry a station on a channel used by an OTA signal in the same area.<<< I think w9wi meant that it's not permitted for a Canadian TV station to be carried on cable on its over-the-air channel within its home community. Not that no programming can be carried on a channel that's being used by a local TV station. What I meant was that it's not permitted for any station that's required to be carried to be carried on a channel that has an OTA signal. IOW, yes, if you're a cable system in Toronto you can't carry CBLT 5 on cable channel 5. Nor can you carry it on cable channel 9. (because of CFTO) You could carry WKBW on channel 5 or 9, because it's not a required signal. Quote But I think today's cable systems can better protect against ghosts so the Syracuse cable system back in the 90s rearranged the channels, with the VHF stations being seen on their over-the-air channel position. Of course, with all analog TV signals now turned off, the problem no longer exists in the U.S. Up until the very end of analog OTA, we had SERIOUS ingress problems in Nashville. (where VHF stations have been carried on their OTA channel positions for as long as I've been here, nearly 20 years) Today the problem is a lot less, but it still exists with several people asking me why channels 5 and 8 are so snowy... channel 10 as well -- that's where my station's OTA digital signal is, though luckily our cable position is 4 so we're wiping out one of the educational access channels instead of ourselves... Well, in my area, around Charleston, the TV stations are all carried on the big local cable systems (Comcast and Knology) on different channels. NBC 2 (used to be ABC) is on 3, FOX 24 is on 6, ABC 4 (was NBC) is on 8, and CBS 5 is on 9. ETV 7 (PBS) is on 11, and My (36) is on 13. It's been that way as long as I can remember, as it's like that in the metro area. ESPN, TNT, the Weather Channel, and a local channel get lots of interference from local stations on older TV sets, but newer sets don't cause these troubles. Farther away from Charleston and on satellite, the stations are carried on their respective channel numbers. There isn't a station in Canada that is carried locally on cable on the same cable position as the OTA channel - however, one doesn't have to go far out of the originating community to find it in the

same position. In Belleville, CJOH Ottawa is carried on Cable 6, and it broadcasts on Channel 6 from a rebraodcast transmitter just southeast of the city near Deseronto. CHCH Hamilton is carried on Cable 12 in Hamilton, but it is on Cable 11 almost everywhere else. One of the quirks of this has come out with TVO and Global. In virtually every community in Ontario, they are carried on Cable 2 and 3, respectively. But in Barrie, Global can't use Cable 3 because CKVR broadcasts locally on Channel 3; they use Cable 13 instead. There are also a few places where TVO is not on Cable 2. However, in Windsor, TVO is seen on cable 2 -- and was subject to interference from WJBK across the river. The Cogeco system (and is predecessors) had WJBK on cable 7 instead, but it was hard to watch in some areas, due to WXYZ. It seems like the cable systems with the oldest hardware are most susceptible to the issue of interference. The systems with newer hardware are less prone to signal leakage and only tend to see this kind of issue in the areas closest to the local stations' transmitters. Even there, my understanding is that traps can be installed to deal with the issue. Of course now, with all stations having gone digital, such interference is even more unusual. Most cable systems in places I've lived over the past 10 or so years have offered VHF locals on their original channel numbers and we've rarely had an issue. On the other hand, I sure do recall having cable in the late 80's and 90's where the interference was a real issue. In a couple of cases, the cable system dealt with it (likely after receiving thousands of complaints) by moving the station in question by one channel and replacing it with something like a community bulletin board. A lot depends on the geography of the market. Here in Rochester, we have a worst-case scenario: all of the city's TV transmitters are on short towers right in the middle of a very populated area, less than a mile from downtown. "Traps" aren't going to do any good on a cable-ready TV when the TV itself is literally being bathed in RF from a 316 kW VHF signal that's 4000 horizontal feet away and maybe 250 vertical feet up. Similar situations (urban tower, low antenna height, dense population) exist in other places, too Washington DC comes to mind immediately, as does Seattle. In other markets with dense population near the towers, there's at least the advantage of considerable tower height to get the worst of the RF near field above the market - Boston, for instance, has several hundred thousand people within a couple of miles of the towers, but at least they're thousand-foot towers. Same deal in Cleveland and San Francisco. (That said, I still had nasty ingress problems in the nineties when I lived in Waltham, Mass., six or seven miles from the towers; much of that was probably attributable to an ancient and very poorly-maintained TCI cable system.) And as you move south and west into Zone II, the towers get much taller and generally more distant from the population center, making ingress even less of an issue. that's what charter cable in the LA area does and now it makes sense. Without a cable box, KTLA 5 is on channel 6. I always wondered why they did this, but it's probably the signal issue. Soon after the analog shutoff this past June, WFSB-DT (CBS) of Hartford was moved from analog channel 2 to analog channel 3 (we only have color bars on channel 2 now). Despite their old analog transmitter being up on Avon Mountain, I still would get occasional ingress from over-the-air 3 when tuning to analog cable 3. No such problems today! Likewise, WTNH-DT (ABC) of New Haven was channel 8 for analog. It's been on cable channel 8 here in New Britain for seemingly forever (back to the 1980s). We're far enough from their Hamden transmitter, so it was never a problem.

When I was growing up in Columbus, Ohio back in the 1970's and early 1980's, we had Coaxial Cable for cable tv service in our neighborhood. WLWC/WCMH 4 was on cable channel 5, WTVN/WSYX 6 was on cable channel 7, WBNS 10 was on cable channel 11. I can't recall what channel WOSU 34 was on though. As I've mentioned before, the slickest solution to this issue, at least using 1983-era technology, was what the old American Cablevision in the city of Rochester used to do: they had the two-piece Hamlin converters with the slider across the front to change channels. But instead of going from 236, these boxes went from 3-37, because they had custom dial slides that were marked one channel higher than what the box was really tuning to. (Call it remapping, 1983 style!) So when the box was displaying "8," it was really tuned to 7...and so there was no ingress issue on "8", "10" and "13." The tradeoff, of course, was that anyone who had an early cable-ready TV had to subtract one channel from what was listed in the guide - and that "9", "11" and "14" on the system (really RF channels 8, 10 and 13) had to be sacrificed for text services, where the ingress didn't much matter. But for 1983...well, it was the height of technical sophistication. I believe the original poster was referring specifically to Fort Myers stations - that's one of a handful of markets (Palm Springs comes immediately to mind as another) where cable-channel branding is nearly universal. Time Warner had moved WDTN Channel 2 to Channel 9 (dropping WCPO Channel 9 in Cincinnati) becasue of interference from the air signal. Within the last couple of months after the digital conversion, 2 (which now is really digital 50) is back on 2. I keep looking for them on 9 and end up with EWTN. Yeah, for example, in Palm Springs, KPSP-LP channel 38 (CBS) is on cable channel 2 (hence its KPSP Local 2 branding). KESQ channel 42 (ABC) is on cable channel 3 (NewsChannel 3 HD). KMIR channel 36 (digital 46, NBC) is on cable channel 6 (KMIR 6). KPSE-LP channel 50 is on cable channel 13 (My13 Palm Springs). KDFX-CA channel 33 is on cable channel 11 (Fox 11). KCWQ-LP channel 2 (CW) is on cable channel 5 (Palm Springs CW 5). KKFX 24 in Santa Barbara has always branded them self as Channel 11 in the Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, San Luis Obispo Market because of the heavy cable penitration in that area.In other word that market relize on cable more than 75 percent. KCOY 12 CBS is on cable ch.10 in Santa Maria but in SLO is ch 12 and in Atascadero is on ch 2, and KSBY 6 NBC is on cable 4 in San Luis Obispo and all cities in the county because of bleed from the OTA signal. KEYT 3 ABC is always on 3 in SLO county but in Santa Barbara is on ch8.. Thank you Scott. I should have been more clear with my post when referring to "the stations" as those from the Fort Myers market. Anywho... WINK TV (CBS affiliate formerly on analog channel 11) does not refer to itself by its cable channel; it's just "WINK." In Houston, Comcast carries KPRC/2 on cable 12, partly because of ingress when the systems were built, partly because KPRC wanted 12 as channel placement to put them between KHOU/11 and KTRK/13 on the cable dial. KNWS/51 is carries on cable 2.

Out-of-Market Station Carriage Question I know that satellite providers cannot carry local channels from outside of a subscriber's home market (e.g. no Los Angeles stations for subscribers in the Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-San Luis Obispo market). Then why is it that cable providers can pipe in channels from neighboring markets? In the above example, in Santa Barbara, Cox Communications carries the following L.A. stations: KTLA channel 5 (CW), KCAL channel 9 (Independent), KCOP channel 13 (MyNetworkTV), and KCET channel 28 (PBS). Time Warner in Palm Springs carries L.A. stations in addition to the Palm Springs ones. They are KNBC channel 4 (NBC), KABC channel 7 (ABC), KCET channel 28 and KVCR channel 24 (both PBS, on cable channels 8 and 9, respectively), and KCAL (on cable channel 16, since cable channel 9 is already taken, as noted above). My guess is that they can carry out of market stations that are not competing. I recall that in the late 70s, there seemed to be a transition period. In the SF Bay Area, Viacom Cable carried Sacramento stations - even the network affiliates. During the time-slots the Sacto stations were carrying network programming, Viacom was required to run the feed from the local SF affiliate. So - for example, the cable position for KCRA 3 (NBC Sacto) would run the network feed from KRON in San Francisco. Then, when the stations switched back to local programming, Viacom would flip the switch back to KCRA programming. You could tell because there would often be a delay of a few seconds. If you had KCRA tuned in at exactly 11:00 PM, you would see a few seconds of the KRON anchor teasing the upcoming NewsCenter 4, then it would flip suddenly to KCRA's local news. After a few years, the out-of-town stations were dropped entirely. There are prescribed rules for the carriage of out-of-market stations. One of the provisions, and we need someone who is well-versed in this to cite the exact rule, has to do with 'significantly viewed' status. In other words, if enough viewers located a given county on the fringe of a market - or in a small market somewhere - have historically tuned to local stations located in another nearby market, those stations can claim 'significantly viewed' status. The rules for deciding this are byzantine to say the least. For example, portions of the Boston DMA can receive over the air signals from Providence stations better than those from Boston; yet no Providence stations are offered on cable in some of those areas (selected Providence stations are offered in others). I'd imagine that people in Pawtucket, RI and Woonsocket, RI historically watched Boston TV because those signals would come in well via antenna; yet none of the Boston stations (save PBS station WGBH) are offered in those places on cable. However, viewers on Cape Cod in the Boston DMA are offered most of the Providence market stations on cable. In CT, there is a cable system south of Hartford (Middletown) which offers one of the network signals from Springfield, MA; yet the system north of it (and much nearer to Springfield) dropped those feeds decades ago. Viewers in Racine and Kenosha, Wisconsin are offered most Chicago signals despite being in the Milwaukee DMA; yet viewers on the IL side of the border are offered only Chicago market signals and 1 PBS from Milwaukee. And, cable systems seem to freely drop previously offered out of market stations whenever they choose. In spite of the fact that it pisses their subscribers off. To be honest, it's somewhat confusing. I know that satellite providers cannot carry local channels from outside of a subscriber's home market

Some years back I believe there was some agreement between Dish Network and Direct TV to begin to offer "significantly viewed" out of market stations if the local cable company offers them but its been a very long time since I have heard about it. I do remember when Dish Network would offer local Denver, Chicago, NYC, LA or Atlanta ( Direct TV with LA & NYC ) to those who "qualify". Boy did that create drama !! I had a friend who at one point "qualified" for KNBC on Direct TV in West Virginia. Then one day he was bragging to a buddy of his about getting KNBC only to have the buddy call up Direct TV requesting KNBC. Direct TV said NO to him. Then the buddy says"...well my friend at 123 Main Street gets KNBC..and I can't..this sucks..you go to hell?" Direct TV pulled the plug on my friend getting KNBC. And from what I heard from those who work at both satellite providers..this sort of thing was actually a big problem for them between people getting pissed off that they can't get out of market TV and/or those who "report" those who for one reason or another did. From my understanding, there are some cable systems in Porter & LaPorte Counties of Indiana who carry both Chicago & South Bend stations on their cable lineup. I heard that cable systems can carry any TV station as part of the must carry ruling that can be received over the air. Also, Racine & Kenosha Counties of Wisconsin also carry most Chicago stations. Since Racine & Kenosha Counties are part of the Milwaukee market, and not Chicago, they can't carry any Chicago station if a station won't allow it. I know for Racine, Time Warner carrys the Chicago version of WGN-TV, and not WGN America. I went & looked at both Time Warner Cable for Racine & Kenosha Counties of Wisconsin, and they carry both Chicago & Milwaukee stations. Also, Comcast Cable of Michigan City Indiana (LaPorte County) carries both Chicago & South Bend (full power stations only for South Bend), and Comcast Valparaiso & Portage (Porter County Indiana) only carry WNDU & WSBT for South Bend stations, along with all Chicago full power stations. Cable companies aren't required to carry any station that's within the market if it can't be received over the air. For my local Comcast service area, they aren't required to carry WWTO LaSalle, IL, since the signal doesn't reach NW Indiana, even though it's part of the Chicago market. Just like my local TV station, WYIN-DT isn't required to be carried by cable companies in the northern suburbs of Chicago if it can't be received over the air. That would definitely be Lake & McHenry Counties of Illinois. As for satellite, the stations they carry can only be for the Neilson market. So Dish Network & DirecTV carry both WYIN-DT & WWTO for all of Chicagoland to see, even if those stations don't broadcast to the entire market. What I mentioned are a few examples. As pointed out in other posts, those channels often disappear during network programming times, or during times in which a station must be blacked out due to SyndEx. In fact, the LA channels are probably more often NOT seen during most of the day. It is frustrating, but the laws differ between satellite and cable providers. I do recall in Terre Haute, Indiana in the late 1980s that American Cablevision began carrying the Indianapolis network stations and did NOT black any of them out. This was after years of not having done so, in spite of a fair amount of network program pre-emptions in Terre Haute. It was nice to have the Indy stations, because two of the three Terre Haute stations broadcast in monaural sound back then, so stereo sound from Indianapolis was welcome. The Indy stations disappeared throughout the 1990s, although as recently as a year or so ago, Terre Haute still got WXIN (Fox from Indianapolis). It was probably often blacked out, though. The Indy stations were probably there without blackouts because the new SyndEx law hadn't taken effect. Plus, Indianapolis used to delay prime time until 8 p.m. even during the summer. (Most of

Indiana did not observe Daylight Saving Time back then.) I don't know if the delays would have counted as "network duplication" since the Indy stations weren't showing programs at the same time. Cable companies aren't required to carry any station that's within the market if it can't be received over the air. For my local Comcast service area, they aren't required to carry WWTO LaSalle, IL, since the signal doesn't reach NW Indiana, even though it's part of the Chicago market. Just like my local TV station, WYIN-DT isn't required to be carried by cable companies in the northern suburbs of Chicago if it can't be received over the air. That would definitely be Lake & McHenry Counties of Illinois. As for satellite, the stations they carry can only be for the Neilson market. So Dish Network & DirecTV carry both WYIN-DT & WWTO for all of Chicagoland to see, even if those stations don't broadcast to the entire market. From the little I know of the "must carry" rule, any full-powered commercial station within a market can petition for must carry status on cable systems within their market. There are provisions in there having to do with reception, but those have more to do with the station's ability to get a signal to the cable system's headend. Your comment about WYIN is not totally correct, for example, as I live in Lake County and do get WYIN on cable. Another example is WNDS Derry, NH - which ended up becoming Boston's My affiliate. They have must carry status throughout the market except for SE Mass, where they are not able to provide a signal to the cable system (because they are too distant). However, if they could pipe one in via fiber link, they could petition to be carried even on Cape Cod. Derry is in Rockingham County, NH in the northern end of the sprawling Boston DMA - about 50 miles north of Boston. They also get carriage on cable systems in most of NH (even outside of the market) and on certain systems in SE Vermont. That has more to do with proximity and being 'significantly viewed'. That's my impression of this. However, we'll ultimately need an expert like Scott Fybush to act as referee and to explain all the ins and outs of these rules. (hello? Scott? are you here?) The cable system in Toledo, Ohio has always carried several stations out of Detroit (channels 2, 4, 7 and 50 as well as channel 9 out of Windsor, Ontario). They only black-out the NBC shows on channel 4 (unless the Toledo station doesn't carry an NBC show for some reason). We can get Fox and ABC shows on two channels anytime, though. I believe they receive the stations over-the-air because before they were digital they didn't have as good a picture as the locals (even now that they are digital the signal occasionally disappears). Most of the local stations are carried on channels 6-13 and the stations to the north are carried on channels 50-59 (but so is a low-power Toledo channel). I believe they originally carried these channels because anyone in Toledo could get at least some of them with an outdoor antenna and when the cable system first started most of the channels on it were from Toledo and Detroit. At one time they dropped the CBC channel out of Windsor, but brought it back when people complained. I believe that the Windsor channel is still analog. From my understanding, there are some cable systems in Porter & LaPorte Counties of Indiana who carry both Chicago & South Bend stations on their cable lineup. I heard that cable systems can carry any TV station as part of the must carry ruling that can be received over the air. Also, Racine & Kenosha Counties of Wisconsin also carry most Chicago stations. Since Racine & Kenosha Counties are part of the Milwaukee market, and not Chicago, they can't carry any Chicago station if a station won't allow it. I know for Racine, Time Warner carrys the Chicago version of WGN-TV, and not WGN America. I went & looked at both Time Warner Cable for Racine & Kenosha Counties of Wisconsin, and they carry both Chicago & Milwaukee stations. ...actually, for many years Kenosha County was considered part of the Chicago ADI by Neilsen. That may have changed in more recent years. But in the mid-'60s, if you subscribed to TV Guide from a Kenosha address, you'd get the Chicago/Rockford/South Bend edition in the mail, while the Chicago/Milwaukee/Madison/Rockford edition would be at the Piggly Wiggly... Some years back I believe there was some agreement between Dish Network and Direct TV to

begin to offer "significantly viewed" out of market stations if the local cable company offers them but its been a very long time since I have heard about it. <snip> I'm not an expert on this subject but do remember that several "national" stations (the Denver Six as I recall were one of them) could be received if the viewer was in a location where they could not receive network OTA. This was the original situation when The Denver Six were being broadcast on C-band satellite. I believe that was grandfathered into DirecTV and DISH for awhile but don't know if it still exists. I remember the "Denver 6" channels that were available on C-Band but I am pretty sure back in those days anyone could had got them as long as they were willing to pay for it. If there were rules in place to prevent those who live close to a TV station from getting Denver 6, it was clear for the most part that wasn't enforced as I had an uncle who lived in Bridgeport, WV back in 1993 and he was able to get to the entire service even though he lived only a few miles from WDTV CBS channel 5. And on top of that for a time ( 1992 ) the Martinsburg, WV Journal newspaper actually provided listings for the Denver stations alongside those from nearby Baltimore and Washington despite the fact that most viewers in the area can pick up quite easily the signals from those cities but despite that there were no shortage of local Martinsburg viewers of Denver TV. In another thread the topic of OJ Simpson's infamous chase was brought up. I was at a Martinsburg-Inwwod bar when that happened. The bar was showing coverage from Denver's KMGH even though the signals from both DC's WUSA and Baltimore's WBAL ( both CBS as was KMGH at the time ) were clear enough to be picked up at the bar. COX Cable which serves Cheshire, Southington, and Meriden Connecticut carries WPIX 11 out of NYC on Channel 22. (They just recently moved it from Channel 23). Up until a few years ago they were carrying WNBC 4 out of NYC on Channel 13, but some people said it was illegal for COX to carry the CTN the Connecticut Government Channel on Digital Cable so they moved it down to basic and thus WNBC was dropped to make room for CTN. My COMCAST system in Bristol carries WGBY 57 PBS out of Springfield, Mass as the only out of market channel on its lineup, tho I heard cable companies have to carry 2 PBS stations. U-Verse the cable service run by phone giant AT&T does not have seperate line-ups in different parts of the states thus in addition to the local CT Channels they also include WCBS, WNBC, WNJU, WNJN, and a couple other NYC stations. The only oddity here I see is they offer WNJU as the only Telemundo service and not the Hartford based WRDM-LP 50. Most cable companies in Central CT offer WRDM-LP. My parents live in Southington and had DirecTV from May 08 until January 09. In addition to the local Hartford stations (not including ION WHPX/26 or Telemundo WRDM-LP) they also got WCBS, WNBC, and WNYW. (Tho they weren't on 2, 4, and 5. They were somewhere in the 300s, where viewrs who can't get locals would recieve them). Where I used to live my landlord subscribed to DISH Network. No out of market channels were available. Local ION Station WHPX/26 was not carried nor was Telemundo WRDM-LP. What they did carry, which was an amazing feat since they aren't on cable anywhere was Azteca America WHCT-LP 38, but Dish Picked it up over the air. I rememeber on humid days seeing WSBK bleed into the signal. WHCT-LP, run on the cheap had problems picking of the Azteca Feed and the picture would just roll or jump and be unwatchable. But it wasn't because DISH picked them up OTA it was a problem with WHCT-LP's equipment because what few local commercial were on the station came in just fine. It was always the Azteca Programs that they had problems with. That's my impression of this. However, we'll ultimately need an expert like Scott Fybush to act as referee and to explain all the ins and outs of these rules. (hello? Scott? are you here?) You rang? Emoticon still broken for Firefox users with no apparent fix in sight

You've actually done a pretty good job of summarizing the rules, as I understand them. Here are the key points: Cable systems have to carry every full-power station in their DMA - except when they don't, either because one station is a satellite of another (e.g. WFUT/WFTY in the New York market), or because the station chooses to negotiate for retransmission consent and can't reach a deal, or because the station is unable to deliver a satisfactory signal to the cable system's headend. In some cases, when a distant (but in-DMA) station tries to get carriage on a system in a distant part of the market, the cable company will petition the FCC to redefine that specific station's market to exclude the remote area (e.g. WRNN or WTBY in Monmouth County, NJ). Cable systems can't carry out-of-DMA signals - except when they can, either because they've historically carried the signal, before the current rules took effect, or because the out-of-DMA signal has been designated as "significantly viewed", a complex process that involves analyzing Nielsen's reporting of viewership in the community in question. In the original poster's question, the LA signals on cable in Santa Barbara and Palm Springs have a historical pattern of carriage - and today they're syndex'ed to protect local affiliates. If there's no local affiliate (e.g. Palm Springs before CBS came to KPSP-LP), all bets are pretty much off. The rules were very different in the early 80s, back when we got most of the Buffalo and Syracuse stations on cable here in Rochester, and when San Diego got LA, and so on. Those days are long gone. U-Verse the cable service run by phone giant AT&T does not have seperate line-ups in different parts of the states thus in addition to the local CT Channels they also include WCBS, WNBC, WNJU, WNJN, and a couple other NYC stations. The only oddity here I see is they offer WNJU as the only Telemundo service and not the Hartford based WRDM-LP 50. Most cable companies in Central CT offer WRDM-LP. I know someone in Bristol that has AT&T. I was surprised to see WNBC on their channel lineup, so when I actually tuned to WNBC I saw an error message that the programming was not available. So I'm wondering if they block it in certain areas. I have an example of un-syndexing! In Lebanon PA the Comcast system previously Time Warner and Lebanon Valley Cable carries the Harrisburg/Lancaster/York/Lebanon stations along with WPVI, KYW, WPHL, and WPSG. For years WPVI and KYW would be blocked except for news and sometimes when they weren't airing the same programming WHP and WHTM were. WPVI actually shared the channel with C-SPAN2, so you could be watching Senate sub-committee hearings and then suddenly hear the Action News theme. But as of July 2009 this was no longer the case, both WPVI and KYW are no longer blocked at all. So maybe some cable operations are starting to relax on the syndex rules? With satellite, if your OTA signal is blocked by a mountain, you can get The San Francisco and New York main 4 networks on Dish and LA and NY on Directv, even if you have your locals on satellite. right up the road on 180 east of Fresno, Everybody that has Satellite in Dunlap, Swuaw Valley, Badger, and many other areas has all 3 markets and the Fresno market. On DISH KWGN Denver, KTLA 5 LA, WPIX and WWOR NY, and Boston station 38 can't think of call letters right of hand a former UPN affiliate are available in many areas I had them when I had DISH and I live In Fresno and I know people who live in Santa Barbara ,Santa Maria, and San luis Obispo Market who are able to get these stations on DISH. DISH calls it the Super Station package for $ 6 a month.

I've always been fascinated by this subject. In the 1980's you could view all of San Francisco's affiliates as far north as Medford, OR, even though Medford had their own affiliates. Even today, you can view KSL out of Salt Lake City in Pocatello/Idaho Falls, Idaho, again despite four network affiliates in the Idaho market. Why just KSL, and not the other SLC stations? My guess is because KSL is widely known as the "LDS station". Which begs the question, where does religion enter into this? My conclusion is there are a lot of loose rules about this, and they are interpreted in many different ways. Cable companies carrying their local affiliates may be the "civil" thing to do, but these affiliates are not necessarilly the ones viewers want to watch, especially when it comes to local news and sports. Perhaps a day will come when there will be more options for cable customers. But I'm not holding my breath. IIRC a potential subscriber had to submit an affidavit to the service provider saying they had no watchable signal. Obviously there was little, if any, follow up to see if these affidavits were, in fact, true. Since C-band was largely a rural-oriented service I suspect a very large number were true but I don't remember seeing any "C-band police". Apparently things have changed. I just checked the lineup online and it looks like the only NYC channels carried are WNET and WNJN. Also U-Verse isn't available where I live which stinks because Comcast just went up over $40 for cable and internet because my 6 month intro rate expired. My sister lives in Lafayette Indiana, and that's an NRTC market, with just WLFI RF 11 (PSIP 18). So Comcast worked something out with all Indianapolis TV stations & WTTW Chicago to carry all their station on their cable system. Comcast Lafayette has 2 CBS station: WLFI Lafayette & WISH Indianapolis. As for the WTTV/WTTK simulcast; Comcast carries WTTK. As for Satellite; they aren't allowed to carry Indianapolis stations to Lafayette, since they're their own market, and to my knowledge, don't carry WLFI on their service. Also, I last remember that for Lafayette Indiana, that satellite can't allow people to get New York & Los Angeles for DirecTV users, since there is Grade A coverage with WLFI & Grade B coverage for most Indianapolis stations with over the air antennas. I don't know how true this still holds today. I know this was the case before I cancelled my service with DirecTV in 2002 for money reasons. However when I had DirecTV, I only got the 4 networks from Chicago, since that's my market, and that was extra. So I relied on the outdoor antenna for the other stations, and eventually cancelled the local channel subscription, before cancelling my service completely. My DirecTV box is now obsolete, since it's one of the earliest models, and wouldn't get all the Chicago stations. The Time Warner Cable system in Orange County, NY, carries all of the New York City locals, plus WYOU, the CBS affiliate in Scranton, PA (which axed its news operations earlier this year). None of the other Scranton locals on this system, although perhaps at one point in the past WNEP and/or WBRE were carried. That one is cultural. When I worked at the ABC affiliate in Salt Lake, we were carried throughout eastern Idaho on cable - even in the likes of Idaho Falls, Twin Falls and Rexburg. Since then (early 90s) things have changed and most Salt Lake stations have been dropped in the bigger cities in eastern Idaho that are outside of the Salt Lake DMA. However, KSL is different. Because of the high percentage of cable subscribers in eastern Idaho who are LDS, any cable system which drops KSL does so at their own peril. Why? Because KSL "is" the LDS channel, carrying General Conference live twice per year and basically being the news mouthpiece of the LDS Church. Of course it would be quite different if these systems never carried KSL - then they'd just pick up the BYU channel and call it good. However, there is the concept of "grandfathering" that Scott Fybush explained so well above

(thanks Scott) - and KSL is grandfathered in these areas. Now, the NBC station in the market, KPVI, could petition to have KSL stricken from cable systems in their market too. But, again, given the cultural interests I've listed above, they would do so at their own peril. LDS church members form a very well organized group and in a market which is probably 85% LDS (as Idaho Falls/Pocatello is), ticking them off is a very bad PR move. With regards to the South Bend market, Comcast subscribers in Benton Harbor, Michigan receive no less than three CBS affiliates: CBS - WBBM/2 Chicago, WWMT/3 Kalamazoo, WSBT/22 South Bend NBC - WMAQ/5 Chicago, WNDU/16 South Bend ABC - WLS/7 Chicago, WBND-LP/57 South Bend FOX - WSJV/28 Elkhart/South Bend PBS - WNIT/34 South Bend CW - WCWW-LP/25 South Bend Others - WHME/46 South Bend Most likely the Chicago stations and WWMT were grandfathered in because they were VHF stations in an all-UHF market, which probably got a lot more viewership historically than the South Bend stations on UHF. WWMT, of course, is also the only station actually based in Michigan on that list, which likely is an added reason for it being significantly viewed. Briarwood Cable in Benton Harbor only offers the South Bend stations, except for WCWW. Instead they get WWMB from Florence/Myrtle Beach. Parish Communications, also in Benton Harbor, offers WXMI from Grand Rapids instead of WSJV for FOX, but like Briarwood they do not offer any Chicago stations. All three systems offer WGN America, not WGN-TV. None of these three systems seem to offer MyNetworkTV. Thanks for that explanation, which kind of confirms that many of these regulations are loosely enforced and/or "grandfathered". Of course, anytime there is duplicate programming on KSL and the Pocatello NBC affilitate, the KSL feed goes to a frozen-screen. BTW, not to quibble, but IFPocatello is nowhere near 85% LDS, more like 45-55%. (Rexburg is another story)... In some cases, when a distant (but in-DMA) station tries to get carriage on a system in a distant part of the market, the cable company will petition the FCC to redefine that specific station's market to exclude the remote area (e.g. WRNN or WTBY in Monmouth County, NJ). Two good examples of this are WWTO Channel 35 (Digital channel 10) is licensed to LaSalle, Illinois and is closer to Peoria than Chicago, but included in the Chicago DMA. (In fact at one time WWTO was a repeater station of the NBC affiliate in Peoria). WWTO tried to get on Comcast in Chicago as a "must carry" 'cause it's in the Chicago DMA, but the FCC said "no," to that. Another example are the two full power stations in Key West, Florida. Key West is part of the Miami DMA and the two full power station tried to get must carry in Miami and other parts of the DMA. Key West is some 150 miles south of Miami, but the FCC said "No," to that as well. Cable systems can't carry out-of-DMA signals - except when they can, either because they've historically carried the signal, before the current rules took effect, or because the out-of-DMA signal has been designated as "significantly viewed", a complex process that involves analyzing Nielsen's reporting of viewership in the community in question. In the old days before Nielsen totally ruled the roost starting in the 60s, many stations out west had extensive repeater TV stations. Denver stations were seen in Sheridan Wyo and southeast Montana through the use of repeaters.

The FCC usually let's these alone unless someone complains. Unless there is a significantly viewed exception, the FCC will usually pull the station if the in market station complains. When I Lived In Central WA. (Wenatchee/Ellensburg) In Ellensburg, Charter Cable Had KOMO, KING and KIRO, on the lineup as well as Yakima locals And KCPQ has a translator there as well also when I Lived there in the late 90's KSTW also had a translator it's long gone now in wenatchee, that's another story It's part of the Seattle Market yet except for KCPQ none of the other seattle stations have translators, the Spokane stations have translators in the area and are available on charter cable as well as Seattle Locals Ummmm, not sure about it being that low. I was talking about the ID Falls/Pokey market and the percentage of the populace in that market that is LDS is as high as most of Utah. You cite Rexburg, well that's in the market - Idaho Falls is mostly LDS too. Your number may represent active members of the church, mine includes the so-called "Jack Mormons." Last I checked, that market was over 80% LDS. It may have dropped a bit thanks to the influx of Latinos, but not that much. I'd be shocked if it was any less than 70%. Those areas have actually been more LDS than Salt Lake County for decades now. Twin Falls DMA is lower, but still over half of the viewers there are LDS (be they active or inactive). Hence the importance of having KSL on the cable lineup there too. On the Cox system here in Lafayette, LA, we have WBRZ (ABC), WAFB (CBS), and WVLA (NBC) from the neighboring Baton Rouge market as significantly viewed stations. Lafayette has its own ABC and CBS affiliates (KATC and KLFY, respectively) and the NBC affiliate from another neighboring market (KPLC, Lake Charles) since we don't have one of our own. All of the stations, except for KPLC (which inserts local advertising over the Lake Charles spots) run unalteredspots, network, etc... and have since the early 90s. Before then, WAFB ran PayPer-View barkers over network, while WBRZ ran C-SPAN2. WVLA is a recent addition to the cable system, coming on board in 2006. I have Metrocast Cablevision of Southern Maine and they carry all 7 locals from Portland and 2 WGBH, 4 WBZ, 5 WCVB and 7 WHDH from the Boston Market. 2, 4, 5, and 7 don't have any signal in Southern Maine where Metrocast is located. Can anyone tell me why they are carried then? Not to get too off topic, but my stats come from adherents.com Top 25 U.S. Counties with Largest Latter-day Saint Communities, 1990 County Number of Congregations Number of Members Percent Salt Lake, UT 985 466,551 64.27% Utah, UT 649 236,893 89.87 Davis, UT * 309 139,375 74.16 Maricopa, AZ 260 115,080 5.42 Los Angeles, CA 271 103,286 1.17 Weber, UT 224 102,121 64.50 Cache, UT 162 59,974 85.45 Clark, NV 123 59,081 7.97 Orange, CA 115 49,608 2.06

San Diego, CA 112 46,863 1.88 Bonneville, ID 87 41,108 56.93 San Bernardino, CA 95 38,532 2.72 King, WA 91 38,195 2.53 Washington, UT 99 38,097 78.45 Ada, ID 69 32,517 15.80 Bannock, ID 70 31,830 48.21 Box Elder, UT 73 30,667 84.05 Sacramento, CA 67 30,320 2.91 Riverside, CA 67 28,987 2.48 Honolulu, HI 74 26,754 3.20 Santa Clara, CA 57 23,595 1.58 Bingham, ID 57 23,082 61.42 Madison, ID 68 21,567 91.10 Contra Costa, CA 46 19,636 2.44 Alameda, CA 47 19,420 1.52 As you can see Bonneville, Bingham, and Bannock are in that 45-55%, with Madison way up there at 90%. Don't know about those so-called "Jack Mormons"...note these numbers are almost 20 years old, and you are correct the latino population is much larger in East Idaho than it was then. Your numbers in Salt Lake and Utah Counties from 1990 look fairly accurate - I guess it depends on who you count. I've seen them be counted a little higher like Utah County with 92-93 percent and Salt Lake over 70 (back in the early 90s). Now SL is quite a bit lower - around 55 or 56 percent. The Idaho numbers were interesting because I was always told that Bonneville County at least was heavily LDS. So, thanks for an interesting stat. Nonetheless (to bring us back into the topic), you can see that there's still a pretty high percentage of that market which has a cultural interest in the LDS Church and the tradition of carriage of KSL (which had translators in at least Bannock County at one time). Also, with Salt Lake being the closest city of any size, there's a more secular interest at work as well. Yes, and to your secular point, it is nice for this E. Idaho resident (who grew up with big-market TV) to see atleast a medium-large market operation (and of rather high quality, I might add). That is one of my points. Why should smaller market residents not be able to have the option of watching larger market, (usually better quality) news? I guess most don't care, they just want "local", and I understand that. But when you are in a market mostly made up of "just out of u-journalism class", it can be a bit frustrating. I would like to see a future where more news options (local, and national), are offered to cable and dish viewers. Afterall, when the lead in your market is the arts fair at the civic plaza, you'd better hope the remote is within reach. About KSL in Eastern Idaho, According To the Broadcasting Yearbook from the 60's and early 70's KSL owned 15% of KIDK at the the time And if I don't stand corrected, KSL was CBS back then, as KIDK is today. Makes sense in an odd kind of way. You're right, both were CBS back in the day and KIDK still is. KSL ended up with NBC as part of the deal when CBS bought KUTV and jettisoned their contract with NBC. KSL picked it up and Saturday Night Live has been on another channel ever since...... Currently, the Suddenlink (the name still makes me Huh Huh) systems in Tyler and Jacksonville, TX include most locals including KLTV/7 ABC, KYTX/19 CBS, KFXK/51 Fox, and KETK/56 NBC. They also have had distant Dallas-Fort Worth stations included in the past; currently they include WFAA/8 ABC in the mix, even though KLTV/7 is the local ratings fave. I'm not sure how much of that is historical/grandfathering, and how much is KLTV not thinking it's a bother to still have a

distant ABC on the local cable. Suddenlink also lists KDFW/4 Fox there, again, not sure if KFXK/51 doesn't care, or if it's historical (the cable predecessors there carried KDFW when it was a CBS affil before the mid-1990s), plus KDFW has news while KFXK (and when it was KLMG before that) hasn't always had news locally. Pre-Suddenlink, when KYTX/19 came along, it replaced DFW's KTVT/11 CBS on the cable (KTVT had been carried for many years there because it was an indie before it's CBS affiliation and there were no indies in the local market). Before that, when KETK/56 first went on air, there was a few years when DFW's KXAS/5 NBC was still on the cable system's list. I'm not sure how long the overlap lasted, nor whose idea it really was to drop KXAS (I think the cableco said something about needing to make room for another channel, even though it could have been KETK's idea, but I haven't heard definitely) from the system. Even though none of the major Shreveport stations (KTBS/3 ABC, KTAL/6 NBC, KSLA/12 CBS) were carried in Tyler or Jacksonville, you could find listings for them in both cities' newspapers (either enough readers could pick them up OTA or other cable systems included Shreveport on their list); also the former Shreveport-Texarkana TV Guide included all the Tyler-Longview stations in it's list, so viewers would be knowledgeable of what was on in Shreveport even though Tyler's and Jacksonville's cable didn't carry it. In SC, there are several examples of this. WIS 10 in Columbia, the major NBC affiliate for most of the state, had and still has a very wide cable carriage. They were available in Myrtle Beach for many years (until the new NBC, WMBF came to town), and are still available in Aiken and many other towns not in the Columbia market. In Myrtle Beach, WIS was shown, but almost all of the syndicated programs were blacked out (like Oprah, Dr. Phil, and Regis and Kelly) by the Myrtle Beach stations. However, they still let Wilmington's NBC, WECT, which was also on the system, carry these shows. WIS, however, was covered by color bars with an all-caps explanation on why it was blacked out. Down in the Hilton Head/Bluffton area, which is well inside the Savannah market, however, two Charleston stations, WCSC and WCIV, are carried without blackouts from Savannah stations because of their popularity, SC news, and different football games from Savannah. Yeah, KSL may be the only NBC affilitate to not run SNL, but they have no qualms about running their Thursday prime-time specials. Odd. I agree on this one they find SNL innapropiatete but Parks and Recreation and 30 rock are good cant figurere out that one. In my home market (Louisville, KY-IN, DMA #48), these carriage rules have resulted in the Louisville Nielsen ADI picking up counties, particularly to the south. We have some excellent news and station operations here, and their superiority over adjacent markets' output is showing. Even with the digital transition, which cut NBC affiliate WAVE(TV)'s huge analog footprint down, Louisville viewership is strong in the 'edge' counties of the DMA...so much so that Nielsen will have to make some important decisons soon regarding some of them. I understand that cable systems in extreme north-central Tennessee even carry WBKI(TV), the Louisville CW affiliate. Louisville stations appear on cable lineups 100-140 miles away from the city...not unusual for western US markets (e.g. Albuquerque, whose market includes virtually the entire state of New Mexico via Class As, translators and satellite feeds) but is a long throw for eastern markets. I can't believe nobody has mentioned the situation in Southeastern Massachusetts yet. So now, I will. The only County in Eastern Massachusetts that is served by the Providence/New Bedford DMA is

Bristol County, as it borders Rhode Island. If you have DirecTV or DISH and live there, you receive the Providence stations and NOT the Boston stations. A good portion of Plymouth County receives the Providence networks, and I think that all of Bristol (obviously), Plymouth, and all of the Cape and Islands receive WSBE, the Rhode Island PBS channel on Comcast. However, none of those Providence channels are available on satellite in Plymouth County, or the Cape or the islands. And this is where Verizon FiOS comes in. I believe that Bristol county receives both Boston and Providence, but not Plymouth County. I think it would be better if Plymouth county received Providence channels, since it's too far away from NH (where some of the Boston DMA stations are from), and it's closer to Rhode Island. Though Verizon recently added WSBE (SD and HD feed) to ALL of its subscribers in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, even those areas up near the NH Border, which really stunned me. I guess they figured they had a significant amount of WSBE viewers in areas not in Bristol County, and subscribers complained. But rather than try to figure out where it should and shouldn't be available, I guess they figured they should just offer it to everyone! Though it would be nice if they did that with the other Providence stations in Plymouth County, and even parts of Norfolk and Worcester counties, which at one time had them significantly viewed. Comcast offers Boston and some Providence channels to their subs in Barnstable, Dukes, and Nantucket Counties and much of Plymouth County (ABC, NBC and PBS according to their website). They also offer most Boston channels to Providence market subs in Bristol County. So, the solution to the problem you've outlined is to subscribe to cable in these areas. Why are WGBH and WGBX must carries when WSBE-DT, and WSBE-D2 carry the same programming. They don't carry exactly the same programming. While it's true that they may carry certain programs at the same times, at other times they have totally different programming. Also, the carriage rules are different for PBS stations. The 'must carry' provision isn't the same as with commercial stations, nor does exclusivity apply; cable systems are encouraged to carry at least 2 PBS stations when feasible - and more are permitted. On the other hand, they don't have to carry in-market secondary PBS stations if they didn't carry them prior to 1996. I ran into this issue with WGBX in southern NH (Boston DMA) which wasn't carried on Adelphia. My complaints to them were met with the comment that they were not required to carry WGBX; even if they are required to carry religious nutjob and shopping that originate from locations well south of Boston (but in market). When Comcast bought Adelphia, they eventually added WGBX to these systems - but they didn't have to. Though Verizon recently added WSBE (SD and HD feed) to ALL of its subscribers in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, even those areas up near the NH Border, which really stunned me. I guess they figured they had a significant amount of WSBE viewers in areas not in Bristol County, and subscribers complained. But rather than try to figure out where it should and shouldn't be available, I guess they figured they should just offer it to everyone! I think it has something to do with the infrastructure. In the Tampa Bay TV market, Sarasota's ABC affiliate, WWSB, is seen marketwide in areas where Verizon Fios is available, even in Polk and Pasco Counties, even though no regular cable system, such as Bright House or Comcast, carries it north of Manatee County. Likewise, Local LPTV stations WXYB (an ethnic station that serves northern Pinellas) and WXAX (an Azteca America affiliate in Tampa) enjoy marketwide coverage on Fios, even though traditional cable coverage is restricted to the areas they serve. Guiding Light tapes last episode Yesterday (11th) "Guiding Light" taped its last episode, the one which will air Sept. 18. No details are being given out, so we'll have to watch

and see if Josh and Reva live happily ever after. The CBS affiliate in Florence-Myrtle Beach ran a story on its 5 PM news yesterday; it included an interview with Kim Zimmer, who is afraid that at her age (54) this is it for her, career-wise. She also lamented not being able to work with Robert Newman (Josh) anymore. Henceforth, the only man in her life will be her real-life husband, actor A.C. Weary. I wasn't aware that Reva's been married nine times; I think that outpaces Mickey Rooney and Zsa Zsa Gabor. I have said before that daytime is going to seem strange without the "Light" shining at 10 AM or 3 PM (or 9 AM), but the show's been digging its own grave for years. I wasn't aware that Reva's been married nine times; I think that outpaces Mickey Rooney and Zsa Zsa Gabor. Eileen Fulton on As the World Turns plays Lisa Miller Hughes Eldridge Shea Colman McColl Mitchell Grimaldi Chedwyn (8 times married) Victoria Wyndham on Another World played Rachel Davis Matthews Clark Frame Cory Cory Cory Hutchins (7 times) Susan Lucci on All My Children plays Erica Kane Martin Brent Cudahy Chandler Montgomery Montgomery Marrick Marrick Marrick (9 times) The late Phil Carey on One Life to Live played one of soaps' most married men Asa Buchanan, married to: Olympia Buchanan (no known maiden name?), Pamela Oliver Stuart, Samantha Vernon, Delila Ralston, Becky Lee Abbott, Pamela Oliver Stuart, Renee Divine, Blair Cramer, Alex Olanov, Alex Olanov, Renee Divine, Gabrielle Medina, Gretel Rae Cummings, and Renee Divine (yes, kids, that's 14 times!!). Add WUSA Washington, DC, to the list of stations carrying Let's Make A Deal at 10 AM. For the week of September 14, they're showing GL at 10, with the new Dr. Oz show at 3, which tells me that LMAD will be on at 10 when it debuts. And my gut thinks there'll be quite a few more that opt to carry Deal in the morning. Add two more that carried GL in the afternoon but will have LMAD in the morning: WTVR Richmond and WIAT Birmingham. And if anybody knows of any other stations that will follow suit, I'd like to hear about it. Apparently CBS will keep the three-feed (9 AM, 10 AM, 3 PM) setup it used with GL; WKMG Orlando, which carried GL at 9 AM, is carrying LMAD at the same time; three that I've mentioned (WUSA, WTVR, WIAT) will have LMAD at

10 ET (Washington, Richmond)/9 CT (Birmingham). I don't look for any of GL's morning stations to run LMAD at a different time. A few I've seen which will carry LMAD at 3/2 include KTVT Dallas/Ft. Worth, WTSP Tampa/St. Petersburg, WLKY Louisville, WSPA Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, and WLTX Columbia, SC. Add a few more to the list of LMAD's afternoon stations: KENS San Antonio, WTKR Norfolk, VA, WJHL Bristol/Kingsport/ Johnson City, WILM Wilmington, NC, WKYT Lexington, KY and its sister station WYMT Hazard, KY. All carried GL at 3/2. I suspect that virtually all CBS stations will run LMAD in the same slot in which GL was carried. Anyone know if the two CBS affiliates that passed on GL (KOVR-Sacramento and WNEM-Flint/Bay City, MI--the latter station IIRC put GL on their MyNetwork subchannel) will or won't air the new LMAD? I suspect that virtually all CBS stations will run LMAD in the same slot in which GL was carried. So far it looks that way. I've seen only four stations that had GL in the afternoon elect to carry LMAD in the morning: WUSA, WBNS, WTVR, and WIAT. I really thought more would go for a Deal/Price combo 10 AM-noon (ET). I'm hearing, though, that KCBS is going to run Bonnie Hunt at 10 AM (PT), but I don't know what happens to Price in LA. It also looks like KOVR is going to carry LMAD at 9 AM; WNEM will have it at 10 on 5-2. I can't see KCNC 4 carrying LMAD at 2:00 PM MT & whatever comes after it going up against One Life To Live on KMGH 7 & Days Of Our Lives on KUSA 9 as that would be committing ratings suicide. If anything, I see KCNC 4 dropping Rachael Ray (KWGN 2 could pick this show up in lieu of the Martino TV repeat they have now) & either moving LMAD to 9:00 AM & whatever comes after it to 9:30 AM or moving TPIR back to 9:00 AM & moving LMAD to 10:00 AM & whatever comes after that to 10:30 AM WITH Dr. Phil & Oprah both being moved up an hour followed by news at 4:00 PM. It looks like WBZ in Boston will be moving Rachel Ray to 9:00 AM, and airing LMAD at 10:00. They had previously aired GL at 9:00 with RR at 10:00. I still wish CBS had given "GL" a one-hour primetime sendoff. After all, the show's been on the network since it was a radio soap--1947, to be exact (NBC had it from 193747). Yeah, CBS could have done something in primetime. Programming is so light during the summer and I'm sure it wouldn't be too expense to produce a tribute show. I wonder will CBS Evening News say anything about GL on Friday. I doubt it because C.E.N. didn't report that GL was canceled. Sounds like a smart move, pairing Deal with Price Is Right. I don't know how it will work out; I've heard that WBZ hasn't fared all that well since moving to CBS. I've heard that WBZ hasn't fared all that well since moving to CBS.

Maybe WBZ should take a page out of WHDH's playbook and threaten to run NEWS at 10! Cheesy WHDH relented and picked up Leno when NBC threatened to disaffiliate it, or so I've heard. What would CBS do, sell WBZ if they ran news at 10? Cheesy Back to GL (spoiler for the West Coast, you haven't seen it as I'm posting this), but a real surprise turn of events today: Alan Spaulding died of a heart attack; sitting on a park bench at the wedding reception of Billy and Vanessa, he just went to sleep. Alan had donated bone marrow to save Phillip, whom fans of the show thought would die at the end (he won't, looks like he and Beth will live happily ever after). Rick had to report the results of the autopsy, and while Alan was already gone before Rick could get to him, and so it can't be counted as "Rick loses another patient," I'm still glad I'm in the real world and Rick Bauer is not my doctor. Now for what is probably the last remaining question: what happens to Josh and Reva? I don't know how many of you have been watching this week, but the actors seem more emotional than usual. Whether it's storyline or the reality that this is the end of what for some of them has been a career, I know it was tough on them to get through that last week of taping. I remember how Mary Stuart barely got through the last episode of "Search For Tomorrow," since she'd gone the whole 35-year run of that show. I wonder how much crying we'll see Friday. One omission I wish had been corrected: I wish they'd brought back Mike Bauer for the finale. I think the guy who played him the longest, Don Stewart, has passed on, but surely someone could have been found (Peter Simon isn't the first actor to play Ed Bauer, after all). Maybe because I'm a history instructor, but I feel we're losing more than a soap that transcends radio and television; we're losing a piece of Americana this Friday. By all logic it should have happened several years ago, but it doesn't change the fact that, starting Monday, daytime is going to be a vastly different place. Found two more stations that will have Let's Make A Deal in the morning: WGCL Atlanta and WVNS Bluefield, WV. WVNS will run People's Court at 3; WGCL is doing a huge overhaul, moving Better Atlanta to 12:30 and Y&R to 3 (LMAD will be on at 10 AM in both markets). Originally when i emailed them in the summer, WHP (21 in Harrisburg) stated they would run LMaD at 3pm, same spot as GL was. I found out today they will be airing LMaD at 10am, and moving *that* offering ("The Doctors") to 3pm. I think Katie's going to have something about the last episode tonight (BTW, CBS is discontinuing its 3:58 PM "Newsbreak" as of today). I saw the last show and am not too disappointed. Things ended on a relatively up note (they did leave the Jeffrey-Edmund confrontation hanging), and it was nice to see the Four Musketeers finally paired off (Rick with Mindy, Phillip with Beth). (Spoiler for the West Coast: Josh and Reva don't get married but they do get back together.) What I hope will be my final thought on this subject: I'm hearing a lot of talk that the end of GL presages the end of soap operas. I remember when "The Price Is Right" became the last remaining network daytime game show, the so-called experts were proclaiming the death of that genre, but what's replacing GL? A game show! And if the new "Let's Make A Deal" should click (and diehard GL fans probably hope it falls flat on its you-know-

what), there'll be more games. So don't count the soaps out; as they say, what goes around, comes around. Thanks to everyone, living and gone, who worked on GL for 72 memorable years and a record run that will never be duplicated by any scripted entertainment show. Add KCBS in Los Angeles as among those that will carry LMAD in the mornings. Rachael Ray, which regularly airs at 9am, will move to 2pm starting this Monday, while the temporary Price is Right episodes will air at 9 until LMAD debuts. BTW, CBS is discontinuing its 3:58 PM "Newsbreak" as of today. 1) Who has been anchoring it? 2) Was CBS also doing a newsbreak after the 9 AM and 10 AM ET feeds of GL and who anchored it? 1) Katie 2) No. I get WCBS on DirecTV and there was never a "Newsbreak" at 10:58 AM. I think the newsbreak was an affiliate optional. WISH-TV never aired it to my knowledge. I would have liked to hear the "My Guiding Light" theme playing while Josh & Reva were at the lighthouse reconciling. Seemed odd having so many Springfield residents going in and out in the space of one episode, but I guess they wanted to tie as many things up as possible. EDIT: I thought that Philip Spaulding was terminally ill a few weeks ago when I last watched an episode. Not true? Update on Guiding Light's Replacement According to gameshownewsnet.com, the two shows that are in works to possibly replace Guiding Light are The Dating Game & Pyramid. The sad part of this news is that they're making it $1,000,000 Pyramid, and in all honesty, I think it's a bit much. Why not just stick with $100,000 Pyramid. There are WAY TOO MANY $1,000,000 game shows on TV now..and I've got a feelling they're gonna crap it up like Donnymid. I can't see The Dating Game being a hit in today's entertainment world. Just keeping my fingers crossed that they choose Pyramid (and maybe come up with something else - Match Game anyone?) and use a more CLASSIC look to the set & get a good host (DON'T DO TO PYRAMID WHAT YOU DID TO TPiR!!!!) Here's the full story: Earth Needs Audiences "5th Grader", Two Pilots Roll From About.com Game Shows & Chad Mosher Posted 6/3/09 We may have lost the prime time show, but the syndicated daytime version of Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? is going full steam ahead. The Dating Game could work since..well people still date in this day and age.

Now on the other hand had CBS decided to do a remake of The Newlywed Game, that may not work now since today so many couples live together and are having kids who are NOT married, so much so there are even a few churches today who no longer look at it as, well "living in sin". Whats the point of having newlyweds winning prizes and trips when they can already do that without saying "I do"? According to an excerpt someone posted to Wikipedia: "Currently, there are pilots being taped for the new Pyramid game show, branded as "The $1,000,000 Pyramid". There has been one pilot produced with another scheduled for Friday, June 19th. The first was done on June 16, 2009 with host Tim Vincent of Access Hollywood and celebrity players including Jeopardy! super champion Ken Jennings[2]. The Game play is very much like the 1980s syndicated versions of the show. It is being taped at Kaufman Astoria Studios in New York, which would mark the first version of Pyramid to tape in New York since 1981. It is being produced by Who Wants to Be a Millionaire producer Michael Davies, CEO of Embassy Row. [3]" Again, this is an entry from Wikipedia, but the information apparently came from here: http://onsetproductions.com/calendar/tickets.aspx?showID=70&eventID=109 And here: http://s834.photobucket.com/albums/zz265/MJose00/?start=0 I guess Dick Clark did not pick up the option to own the rights to the show. In today's economy, a million dollars attracts viewers. Sure it may be harder to win a million, but it will attract viewers. Maybe they ought to change up Merv Griffins Crosswords to Merv Griffins $1,000,000.00 Crosswords! Let's see $1,000,000.00 Wheel of Fortune. $1,000,000.00 Jeopardy! $1,000,000.00 Tic Tac Dough $1,000,000.00 Card Sharks $1,000,000.00 Hollywood Squares $1,000,000.00 Match Game $1,000,000.00 Celebrity Sweepstakes $1,000,000.00 Truth or Consenquenses $1,000,000.00 Concentration Let's make EVERYONE a millionaire!!!! I'd like to see Pyramid make it on the air, but could care less about The Dating Game. It was never on CBS, and CBS should be considering remakes of other classic CBS game shows. My choice would be Press Your Luck. I liked the 70's version of Match Game, but I think a new version wouldn't be nearly as good. There actually WAS a $1,000,000 winner on Wheel of Fortune this past season. They now have a special Million Dollar Wedge on the wheel, which replaces the $10,000 wedge. It's very similar in the fact that it's surrounded by 2 Bankrupts, and if the contestant who picks it up solves that puzzle, doesn't land on any Bankrupts for the remainder of the show, and makes it to the Bonus Round, they take out the $100,000 envelope and replace it with $1,000,000. I never thought it would actually happen, since it's virtually impossible, but it actually did last October. Is the Dr.Oz show getting clearances on CBS O&O stations or ABC O&Os (New York, Philadelphia, etc.), assuming Rachael Ray moves to WCBS and KYW, if Disney/ABC really badly wants Dr.Oz on WABC and WPVI instead.

With Dr. Oz, The Doctors was renewed, and Dr.Phil is still around. Rachael Ray is also Harpo distributed by CBS. Minus Oprah (which is usually on ABC or NBC), that's plenty of syndicated content for the CBS owned and operated stations. Incomprehensible sentences aside, Rachel Ray is not moving to KYW or WCBS. Period. The ABC O&Os renewed it for two seasons. A five second Google search tells us Dr. Oz is sold to WNYW in New York (along with WFLD in Chicago and KTTV in LA). Well, its the first time a Harpo show has gone to the Fox O&Os. I apologize for not googling it before assuming. All the other Harpo spinoff shows have cleared mainly on CBS O&Os in the past. Not only that but Dr.Oz's show is expected to do well, so I assumed Disney/ABC would have pursued it, like they did with Rosie O'Donnell, WPVI with Donahue and Sally Jessy Raphael during their heydey periods. When Oprah retires, if she does, they'll need something. So, Fox strengthens its daytime instead. For someone intent on maintaining correct form on a message board, its Rachael not Rachel Ray. Your attitude isn't needed. Some of the ABC O&Os will need a replacement, but that replacement could also come in the form of expanded news in some cases. Right now, the Fox stations have better inventory available (on average). There's no room except overnights on the major ABC O&Os, making it logical for other station groups to make bids. Some CBS O&Os may have it individually instead of a group deal--they seem less in lockstep overall than Disney tends to be in cases like WPVI and WABC. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume that WLNE/Providence does not secure any CBS programming. Here in Wichita, Kansas, Dr. Oz will be on FOX this fall, plus they need to add two more shows as they canceled Mike and Juliet, dropping the Montel reruns and they will lose Tyra to the CW (if you don't know, Tyra and the CW has a deal to broadcast her show as part of their daytime programming, using both hours-first hour rerun, second hour new-currently used by Judge Jeanine Pirro and the reruns of Jamie Foxx and the Wayans Bros.). I don't get your point. WLNE is an ABC affiliate; WPRI is the CBS affiliate in Providence. Regardless of what goes into GL's timeslot, the producers must be planning a big sendoff. Ed Bauer is back on the show, and I was watching the New York feed this morning since I hadn't seen him in several years. He's got Philip Spaulding for a patient; seems Philip has a rare lung infection that's going to kill him within three months. Then one of the younger female characters (I don't know her name, since I'm no longer a big fan of the show) plans to get married in three months. Why all the talk about three months? GL has a little less than three months to go! The week of Sept. 14-18 may be very interesting, if you follow GL. I guess you missed the story. WLNE owes CBS (which I assume King World is part of) over $5 million for syndicated programming. Some of the shows have been yanked and have ended up on FOX 64. You're right; I did miss it. King World is

part of CBS, though, and I'm a little bit surprised that the ABC o&os still have Oprah, "Wheel Of Fortune," and "Jeopardy!" "Pyramid" has had two runs on CBS: as "The $10,000 Pyramid" (1973-74, then it aired on ABC from 1974-80) and as "The $25,000 Pyramid" (1982-88). But I agree that the logic is flawed. "The Price Is Right," in its original, Bill Cullen-hosted version, never aired on CBS; it was on NBC (1956-63) and ABC (1963-65). Now I know it's not comparing apples to apples when I mention Cullen's version alongside the version we see every morning, but it was CBS that was interested in reviving "Price," with format changes, in 1972. Likewise, "Match Game" in its original version aired on NBC (1962-69); it, too, was picked up-with format changes--by CBS in 1973. I, too, would prefer a revival of one of CBS's classics like "Press Your Luck" (but who can replace Peter Tomarken?), "Joker's Wild," maybe "Gambit," but CBS is going to do what it's going to do. If v.p. of daytime programming Barbara Bloom had looked at "Guiding Light"'s ratings after the return of Grant Aleksander (Philip Spaulding), she might have given the show another year. I'll have to admit that, on second thought, you may be right, especially when the character of Philip is due to be bumped off by a rare lung infection around the time GL ends (had it not been canceled, Grant Aleksander might have taken off for the umpteenth time). And I have to agree that GL really had little or no long-term future; as I pointed out elsewhere, it and "As The World Turns" have been losing money for Procter & Gamble for years. And, unlike in the past, it hasn't been attracting a new generation, despite the infusion of younger characters; I've heard it referred to as "your grandmother's soap." As to its replacement, I still wish CBS would at least pair "Pyramid" with a revived "Joker's Wild." I think the two would be more compatible than a "Pyramid"/"Dating Game" combo (after all, they ran back to back in 1973-74). But, as I said, CBS is going to do what it's going to do. And one final personal note on this response: yes, it will seem strange--daytime without GL, more so than when long-running classics like Edge Of Night, Search For Tomorrow, and Another World were canceled, just because of the longevity (nearly threequarters of a century). But my interest began to wane after that idiot Jill Farren Phelps killed off Maureen Bauer in 1993 and reached a climax when Jerry verDorn was handed his walking papers in 2007. I'll be there for the last show, even if I have to watch the West Coast feed at 5 PM (ET), but I will shed no tears. According to gameshownewsnet.com, the two shows that are in works to possibly replace Guiding Light are The Dating Game & Pyramid. The sad part of this news is that they're making it $1,000,000 Pyramid, and in all honesty, I think it's a bit much. Why not just stick with $100,000 Pyramid. There are WAY TOO MANY $1,000,000 game shows on TV now..and I've got a feelling they're gonna crap it up like Donnymid. I can't see The Dating Game being a hit in today's entertainment world. Just keeping my fingers crossed that they choose Pyramid (and maybe come up with something else - Match Game anyone?) and use a more CLASSIC look to the set & get a

good host (DON'T DO TO PYRAMID WHAT YOU DID TO TPiR!!!!) The subject of Guiding Light's replacement brings up another question. How much CBS affiliate clearance do you think these games will get? (For instance, I doubt KOVR in Sacramento will clear the GL replacement, while WNEM Saginaw/Bay City, MI will probably place the show on their MyNetwork subchannel). Finding a few isolated examples of stations not clearing it wouldn't be shocking, but by and large, I'd expect reasonably solid clearance. What I'd also, expect, though, is a boost in the number of affiliates opting for the morning feed a la the major O&Os. It's a decent trade off with CBS to clear it in the morning and have the 3 pm hour for syndie fare if you want to follow that trend. I doubt the CBS O&Os and all of the CBS affiliates that currently air Guiding Light in the morning would be willing to give up the 3 pm timeslot to CBS, because on a lot of them is usually a show that's very popular. Almost all of the CBS O&Os air Guiding Light at 9 or 10 am, and a lot of them air Dr. Phil at 3 pm, such as WBZ, WCBS and KDKA. I'm pretty sure KYW has the Doctors at 3 pm. But anyway, on the above mentioned affiliates, Dr. Phil usually does very well at 3 pm, so I don't think they'd want to give that up. Correct--KYW airs The Doctors at 3 p.m., and you can safely bet it isn't about to be swapped out for a game show block. I think a 10-11 AM game-show block would be mighty tempting, especially when you count the number of really successful games that ran after 2 PM: "Password," the original "Newlywed Game," "Dating Game," "To Tell The Truth," "Who Do You Trust?", "You Don't Say!", and the '60s and '70s versions of "Match Game" (some might add "Tattletales" and "Queen For A Day," although I consider the latter to be more of a reality show; "Price Is Right" never fared as well in the afternoon as it has in the morning). I think it would be great to have "Joker" at 10 again, followed by "Pyramid" at 10:30, and "Price" at 11 (or even a remake of the '80s block of "Pyramid" at 10, "Press Your Luck" at 10:30, "Price" at 11). If I ran a CBS affiliate that's currently on the afternoon feed of "Guiding Light," I would certainly consider games in the morning and syndicated shows from 3 until my 5 PM news came on. (Just to belabor my point, CBS o&o KTVT Dallas/Ft. Worth, runs "Price" at 10 (CT), followed by "Jeopardy!" at its old network time of 11 AM, then the four CBS soaps in a block from 11:30-3. Put a game-show block from 9-10, as KDFW once did when it was the CBS affiliate, and I see some very good program flow.) But, like the voice crying in the wilderness, I still think 'Pyramid" and "Dating Game" are incompatible. As with all things on Wikipedia, I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, and wonder if anyone has heard anything about "Bold And The Beautiful" expanding to an hour and moving to 3 PM (ET) September 21, replacing "Guiding Light." That's at "Bold And The Beautiful"'s Wikipedia site. That's also the first I've heard about it. It seems odd. There's no mention of "Young And The Restless" moving to 1 PM, setting up a threehour soap block paralleling "AMC," "OLTL," and "GH"

on ABC. Also, I can't imagine CBS putting the numbertwo-rated soap at 10 AM on the stations now carrying "GL" at that time. But if anybody knows something I don't, I'd like to hear from you. And again I stress that what Wikipedia says concerning "B&B"'s moving to 3 PM is to be taken with a grain of salt. I haven't heard anything that says CBS is considering such a move, and I don't think it would be a good idea to (1) split it and "Y&R" and (2) put it in the 10 AM death trap in New York and other major cities where "GL" is now. That's why I asked for feedback, to see if anyone knows something I don't. I think it would be difficult to put on a daytime soap that targets teenagers. Where I live, the highschool kids don't get out until 3 PM, and Nielsen (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't count homes where people tape the show. (I remember when I was in high school we were not able to watch "Dark Shadows" because it came on in Birmingham at 3 PM (CT), just as we were getting out of school; no VCRs then.) Also, I teach at a community college; many of my students are in the 18-20year-old range, and most of them go to school during the day and work nights. I also don't think the networks want to spend the money to mount a new soap right now. As for CBS's owning "ATWT," I shudder to think what would happen. CBS once bought "Love Of Life" and "Secret Storm" from American Home Products, and drove both of them into the ground. What CBS should do is take a look at what they're doing in England. "EastEnders," "Coronation Street," and "The Archers" are all multi-generational soaps, as "Guiding Light" was in its heyday. I've read stories of viewers who got hooked on "GL" as children, watching with their mothers or grandmothers, because they'd be enjoying cookies and milk while Rick or Hope Bauer did the same thing on the tube. (Indeed, in the '60s and '70s, there was grandma Bert, sons Mike and Ed, and grandchildren Hope and Rick; one family, I know, but something for all ages.) And even then, I'm not sure it would work; go back to the first paragraph of this posting. Even if Bold and Beautiful expanded to one hour, I would think Bell Productions would want to keep it paired with Young and Restless. That means As The World Turns would shift ahead 30 minutes. One thing that always bothered me is that CBS never seems to mention that they've owned the number 1 daytime slot for the past 21 years. Further, with the exceptions of General Hospital and All My Children in the late 70's/early 80's, have dominated daytime ratings for the past 50 years. I know primetime (and late night) means everything but when you have good news, you should spread it! True enough, and hasn't Y&R been number one every single week since 1989? I think the one thing keeping B&B from going to an hour is that some of the key cast members don't want it. John McCook (Eric) likes the (usually) eight-hour workday as opposed to 12-14 hours on the hour shows; he likes being able to have his evenings free after he learns his lines for the next show, which he says takes only a couple of hours. Susan Flannery (Stephanie) worked on Days Of Our Lives when it was a half-hour, was still there when it went to an hour, and says it was murder on her feet; since there's little opportunity to sit down, you're on your feet almost continuously from 12-14 hours. She once said she'd quit B&B if it went to an hour, rather than face that torture again. For now I think Y&R, B&B, and ATWT will stay where they are.

If CBS did the game shows (Dating Game, $1 Million Pyramid), it would be the first non-Price is Right network game show in daytime since Casear's Challenge on NBC in 1993-94, and Classic Concentration reruns on NBC in the early 90s. -crainbebo "Ryan's Hope" did quite well for ABC at 12:30; I don't know if it ever consistently beat "Y&R," and in '82 "General Hospital" (#1) and "Guiding Light" (#4) were in a real fight at 3 (ET). The beginning of the end for "RH" came when ABC put it on at noon because it favored Agnes Nixon's "Loving." With affiliates in the Eastern time zone pre-empting "RH," it never had a chance and was canceled in January 1989. Steve Beverly mentioned the possibility (emphasis there) of CBS's giving back 10 AM/3 PM to the affiliates, but he doesn't think it's probable. He cites the near-impossibility of getting the affiliates back once they get that timeslot. With just over two months left before the last episode of "GL," when is CBS going to officially announce its replacement(s)? Interesting possibility. Dangling the 10 a.m. option might help maintain clearances in the face of demo concerns. If you have some CBS affiliates with syndie games in the afternoon, it might help them build a block there in lieu of pairing with Price in the morning. Interesting possibility. Dangling the 10 a.m. option might help maintain clearances in the face of demo concerns. If you have some CBS affiliates with syndie games in the afternoon, it might help them build a block there in lieu of pairing with Price in the morning. One slight problem: CBS ran game shows in the 10-11 AM slot ("$25,000 Pyramid," "Press Your Luck," "Card Sharks," "Family Feud," and even "Wheel Of Fortune" for a couple of years) and experienced so many clearance problems that it gave back the time in 1994; that lasted until some of the o&os and affiliates started running "GL" at 10 AM. That could happen again; OTOH, there hasn't been a successful afternoon network game show since "Match Game" went off in 1979. A game block from 3-4 would make good counterprogramming to "General Hospital" (CBS did, from 1973-75, counter the likes of "GH," "One Life To Live," and "Another World" with "Price" and "Match Game"), and might even be a good lead-in demographically for stations like Atlanta's WGCL that start their news at 4. But I'm afraid the affiliates just might shy away from games at either time (10 or 3) and that, in the end, CBS will give back both time slots. I do expect both of my local CBS affiliates, WFMY and WRAL, to clear the games from 3 to 4, although in WRAL's case it will disrupt the program flow; it runs "ATWT" at 2 and "Y&R" at 4. WFMY already has "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" from 7-8, as well as "Price," and games will go down well with its audience (it carried "Price" and "Match Game" in the '70s in that slot; WRAL was an ABC affiliate then, but WTVD also carried the two CBS shows). Although the "lasted until stations ran GL in the morning" part is just swapping out a clearance--it didn't improve or diminsh total clearance levels (save for debating the relative value of clearing a

soap at 10 am). There isn't really a problem in offering the games at either time--if anything, it gives them more leverage to offer it in whichever way works best, case by case. If that's at 3 pm, no one's likely to complain at CBS. Depending on each station's affiliation agreement, preempting the network in any daypart is HIGHLY frowned upon by CBS. Even with the departure of GL, the Tiffany network will not simply allow stations to just decide on their own to dump the GL replacement programming and go local with syndicated fare. In primetime, each station has a basket of time that can be preempted each year (12 hours or so depending on the station) for telethons and specials. For example, Gannett corporately negotiates one agreement with CBS for all five affiliates (D.C., Greensboro, Columbia, Macon and Tampa Bay) and the expiration date is for all stations simultaneously. There's intense pressure from CBS to clear the network line-up as is at all stations. Yes, there are exceptions, but CBS must sign-off on any movement of their programming. Which goes without saying. I do have my doubts as to whether games will work at all, given--as I pointed out--the clearance problems CBS had in the 10-11 AM slot in the '80s and early '90s, and the poor track record of games in the afternoon (if you think back over the years only about a half-dozen worked in the afternoon: Match Game, Tattletales, You Don't Say!, Queen For A Day, Who Do You Trust?, and The Big Payoff). What games did or didn't work decades ago then is largely irrelevant today. Some stations have found a niche with games in the early fringe slots (Deal, Millionaire, Feud), and to a viewer it doesn't matter one bit if those shows come from a network or syndication. There was once a time when we could say the only really successful talk shows in the afternoon were variety type shows...but that's changed as well. Clearances alone weren't the sole issue with CBS and 10-11 am. By that time, Feud was running its course, and the genre was in a downward cycle (a loooooong one as we'd learn). If Feud was kicking tail in NY, Philly, Boston, Chicago etc., the stations that delayed it a day or bumped it entirely wouldn't likely alone have caused the hour to be given back. A contributing issue? Sure, that may be. But there's a fair difference between telling your affiliates you want them to clear 10 and 3, and telling them you want them to clear 10 or 3. Will the entire experiment work? Who knows. Even pulling comparable ratings to GL but at a lower cost could be called a win. Show an improvement and you're putting icing on the cake. What I was trying to say is that CBS was down from 10 to 11 until it started same-day feeds of "GL" to the morning stations. BTW, Steve Beverly says that the producers of the game shows being considered to replace "GL" will learn their fates probably Wednesday, July 22, so perhaps by this time next week we'll know what's taking over "GL"'s timeslot(s) (parentheses since "GL" is fed three times: 9 AM, 10 AM, and 3 PM). I had the same problem here. I couldn't understand why the whole world wants to watch "General Hospital". My show was "Guiding Light". Ever since Nola started scheming and causing problems for Morgan. Nancy Reichardt's summary said Phillip, Beth, Rick and Mindy were back together on July 4. I'd like to have seen that but I wouldn't have thought of it and didn't know in advance anyway. The Four Musketeers were reunited on July 4, and even Alan-Michael parachuted in for the Bauer barbecue. I think I see one storyline that's going to wrap

up happily: Reva's current husband Jeffrey is reportedly dead in a plane crash; she's in denial, but I think on or about September 18 she and Josh will get married and live happily ever after. I also wouldn't mind if Ed Bauer finds a miracle cure for Phillip's condition so he, too, can live happily ever after (I'd be even happier if somebody knocked off Alan, but that's asking too much). But back to the subject: not everyone agrees with me about the prospects for game-show replacements, and imhomerjay, you may be right that if CBS can make more money with games (and they should, they're a lot cheaper to produce), even if the ratings aren't higher, it's still a victory for the Eye Network. But there hasn't been a successful new game on the networks since the '80s (what was the last--"Scrabble," "Win, Lose Or Draw," or what?), and I still maintain that history is against the afternoon game show unless it's either a comedy game or celebrity-oriented. If I were a betting person I'd put my money on better ratings on the morning stations, and if that be the case I hope CBS picks up "Let's Make A Deal" instead of "The Dating Game." No, there'll never be another Monty Hall, but "Deal" and "Price" would make an ideal tandem. OTOH, "Deal," "Pyramid," and "Dating Game" have successful track records on ABC earlier in the afternoon, between 1:30 and 3 ("Pyramid" and "Dating Game" have aired at 4 as well), but that was years ago. So who knows? I still think, though, that my two local CBS stations will stay with the afternoon feed. I also didn't know that CBS (and I suppose ABC and NBC as well) have agreements with the affiliates over how much time they can pre-empt. I've gotten stations that were pre-emption happy (WBRC Birmingham, when it was an ABC affiliate, was probably the worst, and I resented it every time they pre-empted a show Ch. 11 in Atlanta was carrying, because I might or might not be able to pick it up from Atlanta) and don't like it, but stations also ought to be free to drop a loser network show, IMO. I think someone left out a Gannett CBS affiliate: they're in Greensboro (WFMY/2), Washington (WUSA/9), Tampa/St. Petersburg (WTSP/10), Little Rock (KTHV/11), Macon, GA (WMAZ/13), and Columbia, SC (WLTX/19). "Pyramid" was the first show mentioned as a replacement for "GL" back in April, so I agree with you; I think it has the inside track. Whether it's 30 minutes or an hour, we may know as early as today. I'm going to play like an old-time radio soap announcer at the end of the show: Will CBS find a replacement for "Guiding Light" before September 21? Tune in the week of August 3. Seriously, CBS had delayed the decision another two weeks, claiming it needs more time to look

at pilots. At this rate, you have to wonder if "GL"'s replacement(s) will be ready to go by Sept. 21. Straying away from the subject: My show was "Guiding Light". Ever since Nola started scheming and causing problems for Morgan. I know what you mean. I first started watching GL around 1977 because my sister asked me because I got out of school before her & she wanted to know what happened. I'm a big Douglas Marland (R.I.P.) fan and he wrote 3 of my favorite GL storylines: Kelly & Morgan love story, Nola from bad to good girl and the incredible Carrie Todd Marler story. I think I see one storyline that's going to wrap up happily: Reva's current husband Jeffrey is reportedly dead in a plane crash; she's in denial, but I think on or about September 18 she and Josh will get married and live happily ever after. I also wouldn't mind if Ed Bauer finds a miracle cure for Phillip's condition so he, too, can live happily ever after (I'd be even happier if somebody knocked off Alan, but that's asking too much). I wouldn't be surprised if Reva and Josh get married on the last episode and Jeffery shows up as the wedding ends. Or in classic soap action, when the minister asks "is there anyone who has a reason why these two should not be married, speak now or forever hold your peace..." Multiple sources report a one-hour Let's Make a Deal is the replacement for Guiding Light. A double-run of TPIR has been suggested about by a few affiliate GM's. I think their idea is to have fresh shows for this second airing. September 18th can't come soon enough. "Let's Make A Deal" has indeed been chosen to replace "The Guiding Light" and it might be introduced by the network at the Television Critics Association press tour today. The show will be produced by Fremantle Media and the host will be Wayne Brady. That sounds like a great one-two combination ("Deal"/"Price") in the morning markets. I'll hedge my bets re the afternoon markets. LMAD will not start until October so there will be a gap of a couple weeks after GL ends. Can I only guess a double run of TPIR for a couple of weeks to get people familiar with game shows in the time slot (especially those that get GL in the afternoons and have for decades). Also, have any CBS affils announced a move from 3 pm to 10 am ET? While we just found out "Deal" would be the show, we've known for the majority of the summer that it would be a game moving into the time slot, it was just a matter of which one. No lingering goodbye for GL--the filler programming will be Price reruns, not GL repeats. And I presume the "Price" reruns used as post-GL filler will only be those from the Drew Carey episodes--or is there a chance CBS could briefly revive Bob Barker's TPIR albeit in reruns? Somehow I doubt CBS would rerun Bob's TPIR even as filler, though there would be no shortage of

viewers for it. Afterall when GSN had shown the old TPIR shows 10 years ago, I believe they were the highest rated show on that network at the time, yet they lost the rights for it ( from what I remember hearing about it anyway ) and some say GSN really hasn't been the same ever since. I think CBS wants to get the public acclimated to a game show in GL's timeslot; that's why the Price reruns for two weeks before LMAD takes over. BTW, longtime GL fans might want to tune in August 26 for the return of Holly (Maureen Garrett). She accepted an invitation to return because she wanted to say goodbye to some old friends including her "buddy" Peter Simon, who plays Ed Bauer. In "Soap Opera Weekly" she said the show had become unrecognizable (I'll second that); the Roger/Holly relationship was one of the best things about the show, and while Michael Zaslow's death couldn't be helped, the producers might have found a new man for her, who knows? The loss of both of these characters, plus Ross Marler, just adds to the list of reasons the "Light" will be out in six weeks, IMHO. LMAD will not start until October so there will be a gap of a couple weeks after GL ends. Can I only guess a double run of TPIR for a couple of weeks to get people familiar with game shows in the time slot (especially those that get GL in the afternoons and have for decades). Also, have any CBS affils announced a move from 3 pm to 10 am ET? While we just found out "Deal" would be the show, we've known for the majority of the summer that it would be a game moving into the time slot, it was just a matter of which one. Here are the CBS affiliates I know will be airing LMAD in the morning. There may be others. WIAT Birmingham, AL KCBS Los Angeles KOVR Sacramento WUSA Washington, DC WFOR Miami WKMG Orlando WGCL Atlanta WBBM Chicago WANE Ft. Wayne, IN WSBT South Bend, IN WGME Portland, ME WJZ Baltimore WBZ Boston WWJ Detroit WWMT Grand Rapids, MI WNEM-DT 5-2 Flint, MI WCBS New York WRGB Albany, NY WBNS Columbus, OH KYW Philadelphia KDKA Pittsburgh WHP Harrisburg, PA WYOU Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA WTVR Richmond, VA

WVNS Bluefield, WV WISC Madison, WI If anybody knows of others, feel free to add to the list. Add WISH Indianapolis. Looks like the affiliates that aired GL at 10am are also going to run TPIR reruns/Lets Make A Deal in the same time slot. They are. I'm sure they figured today was the best time to go ahead and put a game show at 9 or 10 AM. I'm still surprised that more stations didn't take the bait and go to a Deal/Price combo 10 AM-noon (ET)/9-11 AM (CT). Do you know that there are diehard GL fans who are hoping Deal falls flat and CBS reconsiders about GL? No way that's going to happen...too many logistical problems, such as bringing back actors (who may have accepted other offers), building new sets, and designing new wardrobes (I think CBS donated them to the city of New York). Sorry, folks, the "Light" is out. While understandable people dislike losing their show, they seem to think Deal somehow stole GL's spot, ignoring the fact that GL was axed long before a replacement was named. It's convenient but highly illogical to blame the replacement. Deal could attract not a single viewer and it wouldn't mean GL would come back, of course. Time to channel the anger to more productive pursuits. Although I would have rather seen CBS bring back Pyramid, I hope LMAD does well because I'd like to see this be the first step in the return of more game shows to daytime network TV. But here is a hypothetical situation: If LMAD doesn't do well, what will CBS do? Will they give another game show a chance, change to a talk show, or turn the time back over to the local stations? The only thing soap related that I could see happening might be for The Bold and the Beautiful to be expanded to a full hour, but then what happens with the other 30 minutes? In the past game shows had 3 to 6 months to make it or be cancelled. How long will CBS give LMAD? I'd guess they'll give at least a year simply because of not having anything else that could be ready on a short notice. Interestingly, except for WUSA, all of Gannett's CBS affiliates are carrying LMAD at 3 (2 in Little Rock). All of them carried GL at 3/2; WUSA elected to go with Dr. Oz at 3 and run LMAD at 10 AM. Let's Make a Deal airings on CBS According to titantv, the CBS stations in Chicago and Los Angeles will be airing "LMAD" in the 9am10am slot rather than the 2pm-3pm time slot, thus freeing up the late afternoons for syndicated fare. WCBS in New York will air "LMAD" in the 10am-11am slot, while having the 3pm-4pm slot for syndication. KFMB 8 in San Diego where I live plans to air "LMAD" in pattern in the 2-3pm slot. What CBS stations plan to air "LMAD" in the early time slot rather than the late slot.

In Los Angeles from 2-3pm, ABC is the only major network airing fare, a soap opera. If this going to be a trend where networks are phasing out programming the 3-4pm ET (2-3pm PT) block? Any predictions to what network daytime programming would look like 5 and 10 years from now if it at all exists in blocks other than expanded morning shows? What CBS stations plan to air "LMAD" in the early time slot rather than the late slot. If this going to be a trend where networks are phasing out programming the 3-4pm ET (2-3pm PT) block? Any predictions to what network daytime programming would look like 5 and 10 years from now if it at all exists in blocks other than expanded morning shows? Both of these threads have discussed morning and afternoon placements of LMAD: http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=147393.0 http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=150841.0 To answer your last question, it doesn't look good for daytime in it's current state. The amount of soaps airing now hasn't been this low since the early 1960s, and the total network-originated daytime schedule probably hasn't been this limited in ages, if not ever. I'm not sure what it's going to take to reverse the trend. What CBS stations plan to air "LMAD" in the early time slot rather than the late slot. If this going to be a trend where networks are phasing out programming the 3-4pm ET (2-3pm PT) block? Any predictions to what network daytime programming would look like 5 and 10 years from now if it at all exists in blocks other than expanded morning shows? There have been some additions to the morning markets, so once more let's go through the list: WIAT Birmingham, AL KCBS Los Angeles KOVR Sacramento WUSA Washington, DC WFOR Miami WKMG Orlando WPEC West Palm Beach WGCL Atlanta WBBM Chicago WISH Indianapolis WANE Fort Wayne WSBT South Bend WTHI Terre Haute, IN WGME Portland, ME WJZ Baltimore WBZ Boston WWJ Detroit WWMT Grand Rapids WNEM-DT 5-2 Flint, MI WCBS New York

WRGB Albany, NY WBNS Columbus, OH KDKA Pittsburgh KYW Philadelphia WHP Harrisburg, PA WYOU Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA WTVR Richmond, VA WVNS Bluefield, WV That's the list as I have it up to now. Major markets San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Tampa, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver, Phoenix, and Seattle are going with it at 3/2. I think it's time for the networks to admit that scheduling is out of date. The network news needs to air later; the success of the CBC's 10 PM news block should inspire one of the American networks to do the same. And in Canada and England, the soaps come on in late afternoon/early evening; "Coronation Street" airs in Canada at 6:30 PM, and I think "EastEnders" airs in England around 6 or 7 PM, with a replay of the week's episodes on Sundays. These programming moves acknowledge the fact that (1) people aren't there during the day to watch their soaps, and (2) 6:30/5:30 is too early for the network news, especially in the larger Central and Mountain time zone cities (although the Pacific time zone doesn't get off scot-free). Maybe the networks should program their early-morning shows, then go dark until around 6 or 7 PM (let the affiliates have local news, or earlier broadcasts of "Wheel Of Fortune" and "Jeopardy!' or whatever); start out with an hour or two of soaps, segue into primetime 8-10 (7-9), then run the news at 10/9. I know it sounds crazy; it's a disruption of patterns that have existed for years, but society has changed, and if the networks intend to preserve their soaps, games, and news, they need to look at the realities out there. Both of these threads have discussed morning and afternoon placements of LMAD: http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=147393.0 http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=150841.0 To answer your last question, it doesn't look good for daytime in it's current state. The amount of soaps airing now hasn't been this low since the early 1960s, and the total network-originated daytime schedule probably hasn't been this limited in ages, if not ever. I'm not sure what it's going to take to reverse the trend. The network news needs to air later; the success of the CBC's 10 PM news block should inspire one of the American networks to do the same. And in Canada and England, the soaps come on in late afternoon/early evening; "Coronation Street" airs in Canada at 6:30 PM... Actually, Corrie airs in Canada on the CBC at 7PM local time (7:30PM in Newfoundland), after the regional 6PM news hour. Still, perhaps American networks ought to start thinking outside the box and schedule the soaps at that time of day; further (and I know Port Charles tried it without success), they should go to the telenovela format, where stories wrap up in a matter of weeks, not months or years. My overall

argument is this: the networks are locked into patterns that actually go back to network radio. They don't work anymore. And the answers may lie on the CBC and the BBC, and maybe even Televisa. And I left out one station carrying LMAD in the morning: WISC Madison, WI. Another station airing LMAD in the mornings is KRQE in Albuquerque. For over 30 yeas I know they have aired As The World Turns a day-behind at 10am. However, since Guiding Light's ending they moved As The World Turns to 2PM and is now no longer behind schedule. When does Let's Make A Deal premire? This coming Monday, October 5. I had no idea of how daytime TV worked in other time zones (especially Pacific) until I got a TVG from LA in March '84. I was surprised to see that the primetime schedule was the same as Eastern (7-11 on Sunday, 8-11 the rest of the week), but the daytime schedule was an hour behind. I noticed that the 3pm hour was when local programming started and wondered why it wasn't this way on the Eastern Time Zone! Now, for all intents and purposes, ABC is the only network that really programs at 3pm. I would imagine a lot of CBS stations, even the ones that ran GL at 3pm up until the end (like my affiliate, WHP in Harrisburg), are airing LMaD at 10 and programming 3pm locally. AFAIK. CBS has always followed Central Time in its daytime lineup; Eastern Time at night on the West Coast. ABC used to follow Eastern in the daytime there, but shifted to Central as its o&os in Los Angeles and San Francisco expanded their local news (to a 4 PM starting time on KABC). NBC used to have that crazy pattern of following Central Time from 9 AMnoon (PT), and instead of the noon break the Central affiliates got, going right into the next network show (12:30 Central/ 12 Noon Pacific), so that daytime ended at 3:30 Central but 3 PM Pacific. ABC and NBC have always followed Eastern Time at night, unless something like a live sports event intervened (Monday Night Football at 9 ET/6 PT, for example). True, more stations are carrying LMAD in the morning than did GL, and I suppose that since many of them are in large cities, a disproportionate part of the population will see LMAD at 9 or 10 AM. Here in the South, only Orlando and Miami carried GL in the morning; they're now being joined by Atlanta, Birmingham, Richmond, and West Palm Beach (also Bluefield if you consider West Virginia southern). But I wouldn't say ABC is now alone among the networks with a 3 PM show, since in terms of raw numbers of affiliates, most are carrying LMAD at 3; ABC is just the only one with a soap at 3. Add one more station to the LMAD 10am club...WPRI, Providence, RI. After serving faithfully for many years as a 3pm Eastern time affiliate of "The Guiding Light", the station will now air back-to-back episodes of "Judge Joe Brown" in that hour. Feels awfully strange talking about "The Guiding Light" in the past tense, doesn't it? I remember that kind of odd Western daytime network scheduling. I remember seeing promos for Days of Our Lives in the 60s (2pm Eastern, 1pm Central, 12:30pm Pacific) for example back in the day, though the 9am-NOON Pacific game shows followed the Central time slot pattern. ABC daytime schedule on the West coast followed the Eastern time slot pattern. One oddity it produced

is that during some point in the late 60s, we had NBC airing "You Don't Say", CBS airing "To Tell The Truth", and ABC airing "Newlywed Game" all at 2pm Pacific time, a rarity where three network stations aired game shows opposite each other in the late afternoon. At that time, ABC's daytime ended at 4:30, CBS's at 3:30, and NBC's at 3:00 in the West, so that ABC generally had no network competetion in the last hour on the left coast. Of course, network affilliates preferred to run the more lucrative syndicated fare at 3pm and most bumped the CBS 3pm shows for an afternoon movie or a local kid show host for example. I'm not sure how ABC's western affilliates in the 60s dealt with the last 90 minutes of the network schedule. XETV preempted the 3-4pm soaps (GH and OLTL) and carried Dark Shadows at 4pm locally. Some may have ran them tape delayed in the morning hours between 9 and 11:30 when ABC wasn't programming anything. KOGO, the NBC affilliate at the time, carried the entire NBC daytime schedule except the 12 NOON PT show (Let's Make a Deal, Three on a Match, etc.) in order to run a noon newscast.

re: AFAIK. CBS has always followed Central Time in its daytime lineup; Eastern Time at night on the West Coast. ABC used to follow Eastern in the daytime there, but shifted to Central as its o&os in Los Angeles and San Francisco expanded their local news (to a 4 PM starting time on KABC). NBC used to have that crazy pattern of following Central Time from 9 AMnoon (PT), and instead of the noon break the Central affiliates got, going right into the next network show (12:30 Central/ 12 Noon Pacific), so that daytime ended at 3:30 Central but 3 PM Pacific. Then there's the Mountain Time Zone. I think the networks somehow wished it would just go away. Daytime was--typically--live net 8 AM-11 AM and 11:30 AM-2:30 PM on CBS and NBC; ABC from whatever time they started until 2:30 PM (or 3 PM if there was a 4:30/3:30 show). NBC stations ran Today 6-8 AM, in the same reverse order as CT, or ran just the first hour refeed at 7. CBS affils usually had the morning news show at 6 (via the WBBM-TV delay) and Captain Combat at 7 (second NY feed). The there was Arizona in the summer starting in 1968...uh, don't ask. Let's just say pick up in progress (the daytime schedule, not a show) 8-10 AM PT, news hole at 10, then 10:30-1:30, followed by the first hour (delayed from 7-8 AM) 1:30-2:30. Or--for NBC--run the first Today hour refeed at 6, then daytime live starting at 7 AM until 1:30, with the local hole also at 10. Later on, Mountain zone stations started getting "creative" for one or more reasons--to avoid running early morning stuff so early (or truncated), or to run their midday news at noon instead of 11. This may have been the beginnings of running some soap a day late just to create a hole at noon. Add another station to the morning LMAD list: KOIN-TV 6 in Portland; they'll air LMAD at 9 AM PT.

The former 2 PM Guiding Light time slot will be filled by a double run of Family Feud. WDJT in Milwaukee decided to put LMAD at 9am (so Ellen can stay in the afternoon at 2pm before Dr. Oz), while WFRV in Green Bay has it at 2pm. As of August 31st, CBC O&Os show news 5-6:30pm, followed by Corrie and Wheel (Jeopardy stays at 7:30). That's what I saw on the CBC's website; I thought there was something strange about Corrie, as y'all call it, airing at 7. BTW, the CBC has it all over the American networks in one regard: everything airs at the same time, local time; a show that airs at 8 Eastern airs at 8 Central as well, and none of this 8/7 Central (I know, Newfoundland is an exception, but no matter). I'm glad that so many stations are putting it on at 10. Now at least it will seem like the good old days again with the two hour block of Games in the morning. As a matter of fact... Where I live, I can get Let's Make a Deal at 10. Price Is Right at 11. Who wants to be a Millionaire at 12:30. Deal or No Deal at 1 PM and then Family Feud at 1:30. That's going to do a lot for my productivity. I might have to break my TV's. The same station that airs LMAD and TPIR also airs Wheel at 7 and Jeopardy at 7:30. I guess game shows arn't dead anymore. Yep.... breaking my TV's Add These To the Midday List KPAX/Missoula, KRTV/Great Falls, KXLF/Butte, KBZK/Bozeman, And KTVQ/Billings All Plan to Air LMAD at 1pm MST I've always thought a network evening soap opera would work....and in the mid 1970's, it almost happened. When Procter & Gamble moved "The Edge of Night" from CBS to ABC......ABC had toyed around with the idea of doing a repeat broadcast of "Edge" at 11:30pm Eastern, opposite Johnny Carson. It nearly happened....until the actors on the show caught wind of what ABC was up to...and started demanding huge raises because the show would be airing twice a day. Obviously....THAT was the end of that! Maybe the time HAS come for someone to try a soap in early evening....or late evening. OH....and speaking of time.....When "The End of The World", and "The Final Judgement of Mankind" finally happen......They'll happen 30 minutes later in Newfoundland....LOL....LOL....LOL. Televisa's scheduling might be worth looking at from a news standpoint. Like CBC and CTV in Canada, their network newscasts air in prime-time; XEW-2 has its flagship newscast at 10:30 PM, and XEQ-9 as I recall airs a newscast at 9 PM. I cannot remember when competitor Azteca 13 airs its news program, but as I recall like in Canada there are no national newscasts in Mexico competing in the same time slot. However unlike in Canada, aside from a couple local stations I don't believe any stations in Mexico air news at the conventional American times of 5 and 6 PM. The time may be here for one of the U.S. networks to consider moving out of the old 6:30 time slot and allowing local news to go in that slot. A radical alternative is for one of the big three networks to pull out of network newscasts altogether and leave newscasts fully to local affiliates, while continuing to provide some content for national/world news. This type of counterprogramming strategy might actually help all three networks, especially since the Canadian networks seem to have no problem with network newscasts and declining viewership. Let's say that one network was ABC that pulled out, and both NBC and CBS moved their newscasts to other times. Here's an example of a possible grid. 5:00 ABC - network; CBS - network; NBC - network

5:30 ABC - local news; CBS - network; NBC - network 6:00 ABC - local news; CBS - network; NBC - local news 6:30 ABC - local news; CBS - local news; NBC - local news 7:00 ABC - network; CBS - local news; NBC - network 7:30 ABC - network; CBS - network; NBC - network 10:00 ABC - network; CBS - network; NBC - network news 11:00 ABC - local news; CBS - network news; NBC - local news 11:20 ABC - local news; CBS - local news; NBC - local news 11:35 ABC - late network show; CBS - local news; NBC - Tonight Show 12:00 ABC - late network show; CBS - Letterman; NBC - Tonight Show As you can guess, Jay Leno's current show does not fit into this picture. I am thinking of making his show weekly in prime-time. Remember, though, that 1 PM (MT) is 3 PM (ET) so they're actually taking the afternoon feed of LMAD. The only difference with Denver is that KCNC will have it at 2 (MT). I figure the reason they had this schedule change is not only to expand its evening news hour, but put Wheel at 7PM, giving the CBC a reason to simsub the whole 7PM hour in many markets. On the other hand, this would force Corrie fans to ditch their local CTV or Global newscasts (as well as avoid the US network newscasts) to watch their soap at 6:30PM. Out of curiosity, has "The Simpsons" left the CBC (or moved to another time)? Reruns of the series generally aired at 5PM for as long as I remember. Seriously, the networks would probably expand their morning shows (assuming Regis kicks off by then, freeing ABC to expand Good Morning America). What I would like to see is the networks down from the end of the morning shows until around 4 or 5 PM, then start the soaps. And if you don't think late afternoons would work for the soaps look at Y&R at 4 PM in Raleigh and Louisville--number one in the timeslot. General Hospital has similar success in Columbus, GA. Not so much that they can't work at 4 as there's no way you'd get the affiliates to give you that time across the board. The counterprogramming strategy those markets have wouldn't be enough to pry that hour away from most stations, and trading them let's say 11 am to 3 pm (roughly, depending on the network and circumstances) wouldn't be a big enough carrot. The question of Live's long-term viability is an interesting one. When the time comes that Regis leaves, do they try continuing with the now-established Kellie and someone new? And with the inevitable shake-up at GMA, who knows what shape they'll be in if there's a choice to be made between continuing with that on the O&Os...well, most of them.....or trying to expand the network show. Not so much that they can't work at 4 as there's no way you'd get the affiliates to give you that time across the board. The counterprogramming strategy those markets have wouldn't be enough to pry that hour away from most stations, and trading them let's say 11 am to 3 pm (roughly, depending on the network and circumstances) wouldn't be a big enough carrot. The question of Live's long-term viability is an interesting one. When the time comes that Regis leaves, do they try continuing with the now-established Kellie and someone new? And with the inevitable shake-up at GMA, who knows what shape they'll be in if there's a choice to be made between continuing with that on the O&Os...well, most of them.....or trying to expand the network show. You could add that stations would be reluctant to give up their 5 PM newscasts, since I'm talking

about a soap block that runs more than one hour. More than likely the 10 PM network news scenario I've mentioned would come to pass first--if ever. I'm not crazy about Rupert Murdoch but I think he's smart not having a daytime schedule on Fox, plus the fact that most Fox stations counterprogram the Big Three's newscasts at 6:30, and having late local news at 10. If the Big Three affiliates won't give back 4-6, let them get 6:30 and move the network news to 10; maybe even run the soaps in the first hour of primetime (there probably won't be more than three or four left within the next five years). Whatever the case, they've got to get out of the 12:30-4 PM time frame and into a timeslot more accessible to younger (especially female) viewers. How would you go about doing this? Let's get back on-topic. Here's my updated list of LMAD morning stations: WIAT Birmingham, AL KCBS Los Angeles KOVR Sacramento, CA WUSA Washington, DC WFOR Miami WKMG Orlando WPEC West Palm Beach WGCL Atlanta WBBM Chicago WANE Ft. Wayne, IN WISH Indianapolis WSBT South Bend, IN WTHI Terre Haute, IN WGME Portland, ME WJZ Baltimore WBZ Boston WNEM-DT 5-2 Flint, MI WWJ Detroit WWMT Grand Rapids, MI WCBS New York WRGB Albany, NY WBNS Columbus, OH KOIN Portland, OR KDKA Pittsburgh KYW Philadelphia WHP Harrisburg, PA WYOU Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA WPRI Providence, RI WTVR Richmond, VA WVNS Bluefield, WV WDJT Milwaukee WISC Madison, WI WYOU Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA They can air "LMAD" right after the new -- ugh, never mind... Unofficial station list for new MGM Primetime Sunday Movie This is purely based on online articles, so please don't hold me to this possible station list for the upcoming movie package by MGM:

---CALIFORNIA--Los Angeles, CW / KTLA-5.1 Sacramento, FOX / KTXL-40.1 San Diego, FOX / KSWB TV 19.1 ---COLORADO--Colorado Springs-Pueblo, MYTV / KKTV-11.1 Denver, CW / KGWN TV 2.1 Grand Junction, CW / KKCO-11.2 ---CONNECTICUT--Hartford-New Haven, CW / WTXX-20.1 ---DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA--Washington, CW / WDCW-50.1 ---FLORIDA--Miami, CW / WSFL TV 19.1 W. Palm Beach, CBS / WPEC-12.1 ---ILLINOIS--Chicago, CW / WGN TV 9.1 ---INDIANA--Indianapolis, CW / WTTV-48.1 South Bend, NBC / WNDU TV 16.1 ---KANSAS--Wichita, KAKE TV 10.1 ---KENTUCKY--Lexington, CW / WKYT TV 27.1 ---LOUISIANA--New Orleans, CW / WNOL TV 38.1 ---MASSACHUSETTS--Boston, CW / WLVI TV 56.1 ---MICHIGAN--Grand Rapids, CW / WWMT 3.2 ---MISSOURI--St. Louis, CW / KPLR TV 11.1 ---NEBRASKA--Omaha-Council Bluffs, IND / WOWT TV 6.2 ---NEW YORK--Albany, CW / WCWN-45.1 New York City, CW / WPIX-11.1 ---NORTH CAROLINA--Charlotte, CW / WJZY TV 46.1 Raleigh, FOX / WRAZ-50.1

Wilmington, CBS / WILM-LD ---OREGON--Salem-Portland, CW / KRCW TV 32.1 ---PENNSYLVANIA--Harrisburg, FOX / WPMT-43.1 Philadelphia, MYTV / WPHL TV 17.1 ---TENNESSEE--Knoxville, MYTV / WVLT TV 8.2 ---TEXAS--Dallas-Ft. Worth, CW / KDAF-33.1 Houston, CW / KIAH-39.1 Waco, CW / KWTX TV 10.1 ---WASHINGTON--Seattle-Tacoma, MYTV / KMYQ-25.1 ---WISCONSIN--Madison, NBC / WMTV 15.1 ---WEST VIRGINIA--Charleston-Huntington, MYTV / WSAZ TV 3.1 Of course, this is based on clearance list(s) that I got a hold of, but I'm sure there are some errors with this list. Also, I heard that CW Plus stations will be airing this new movie package. If there any corrections or additions that should be added to this list, go ahead and post 'em right here.... Based on my electronic program guide, add WUPA/Atlanta (69.1). I think you can count in the Tribune CW stations and the CBS CW O&Os. This is not a direct replacement for the CW's Sunday block, but is being picked up as a matter of convenence. WKCF 18.1 - program schedule shows MGM movies for the next two weeks at 6 PM, same as WUPA. This is purely based on online articles, so please don't hold me to this possible station list for the upcoming movie package by MGM: snip..... Quote ---COLORADO--Colorado Springs-Pueblo, MYTV / KKTV-11.1 Denver, CW / KGWN TV 2.1 Grand Junction, CW / KKCO-11.2 That should be the following..... Colorado Springs/Pueblo KKTV 11.2 (MyNetwork TV) Denver KWGN 2.1 (CW) Grand Junction KKCO 11.2 (CW) What you have above is VERY erroneous information. JFYI.....

Cheers Smiley CW 100+ stations (in markets outside of the top 100) have picked up this package as well Any displaced stations mapping to their current ACTUAL channel numbers? ...okeh, folks, it's coming up on a dozen weeks into the post-DTV switchover era. Are there any U.S. or across-the-border stations that have changed from their old analogue channel to a new channel for their DTV signal (I'm suspecting the most likely candidates would be from analogue Channels 2 thru 5 and 51 thru 69) that are not mapping to their old analogue channel number for their virtual channel display and showing the current channel number instead? I'm not including -CA or -LP that supposedly retransmit another full-power channel, like Phoenix' KAZT-CA, which maps to 7.x in order to "reflect" its allegedly retransmitting KAZT-TV/7 Prescott, although KAZT-CA's signal itself has never appeared on Channel 7 from a Phoenix-area transmitter and programming for the Prescott station actually originates from KAZT's Phoenix offices... The law (well, the ATSC digital television standard, adopted into law as part of the FCC's rules under chapter 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations) says that stations are to use their former analog channel numbers as their main channel numbers in the DTV world. In practice, the FCC appears to be willing to look the other way in the case of stations whose former analog channels were outside the new core spectrum (channels 2-51). Thus we have cases like KAIL-DT in Fresno, analog 53, digital RF 7, virtual channel 7, or WNEU-DT Merrimack NH, analog 60, digital RF 34, virtual channel 34. Outside of that limited exception, the FCC has been relatively strict about maintaining the virtual channels, for reasons we've examined ad nauseam on this board and elsewhere: let's say I'm WICZ-DT in Binghamton NY, and I've moved from analog 40 to digital RF 8. If I suddenly decide to identify as virtual channel 8, what happens when someone else in the market gets RF 40 allotted to them? The law still says that WICZ should be identifying as virtual 40, and it says the new station should identify as virtual 8. Off the top of my head, I know of just one station that had its analog channel within the core but is using its new RF channel as its virtual channel. That's WLIO-DT in Lima, Ohio, analog 35, digital RF 8, virtual 8 - and they can get away with it because they also own WOHL-CA in Lima, analog 25, digital RF 35...and thus virtual 35. KAIL, KBVU, KCVU, KVIQ, KCEN, and there might be more slipping my mind. - Trip KMBH was analog 60 but maps to 38.Scott/Trip: An interesting dilemma with these rules has arisen in the Evansville market. Some LPTV stations have been applied for on channels 14, 25, and 44. What's special about those? They're the channels recently vacated by full-power analog signals. The particular case I'm interested in is the proposed channel 25. WEHT was analog 25 and uses 25 as its virtual channel. But they broadcast on VHF 7. Ok, so the new LPTV 25 would identify as 7, right? Wrong (I hope!). RF 28 is WTVW, which was analog 7 and continues to broadcast on that virtual channel. Would that force the proposed LPTV broadcasting on UHF 25 to identify as virtual channel 28? Until this past Friday, WGBO-DT was using their RF channel 38 as their virtual channel of 38.1.

WCPX-TV used to be on analog 38, but is now on digital 43, but also uses 38.1 as their virtual channel. Because of that, my Magnavox digital box had both of them listed as 38.1. I would get WGBO first, then WCPX second when I hit the channel up button. I know if WYIN could get away with it, they wouldn't use 56 as their virtual channel, as they use WYIN-DT 17 in their station identification. For their virtual channel, they still use 56.1. WLS-TV is the only station in Chicago that is on their actual channel, since they couldn't stay on 52, they had to go back to 7, and it comes up as 7.1. So they're actually legal in that case. I wonder at times if WYCC would prefer to ID their virtual channel as their RF channel, as they use in their station Identification, WYCC 20 DT 21. One situation that's confusing is in San Francisco KTVU FOX 2 is using digital RF 44, virtual channel 2.1, KBCW CW 44 , is using digital RF 45 and Virtual channel 44.1, I have heard these stations are confusing on some boxes. KTVU should either swap digital channels or the FCC should let let KBCW use 45.1 for there virtual channel. On my Digital Stream box in Fresno KGPE 47 , Digital Rf 32, virtual 47.1 is only displayed as 32.3, when punching in 47 it comes up no signal, so to get 47.1 I have to punch in the Digital RF channel 32. This was already mentioned KAIL here in Fresno is formally 53 analog, is using there digital RF channel 7 as there ID and virtual channel, KNSO channel 51.1 is using Digital rf channel 5, but has app for channel 11 and is trying to get the FCC to allow them to map there virtual channel to 11 to match there Comcast cable channel, Here another situation in Fresno KGPE 47.1 is on Cable channel 7 and has been for 35 years , Kail 7.1 is still on cable 13, with is a little confusing now so if your talking about channel 7 is it KAIL or KGPE, I don't think KGPE will ever give up channel 7 on cable. KCEN-TV in Temple, Texas was on Channel 6 previously and has been using both RF 9 and virtual 9 since the transition. They rebranded from NBC 6 to KCEN 9 in the process. They made the change on February 17th, although KCEN-DT had been on RF 9 since 2002. Can anyone in the Mobile-Pensacola area comment on new station WDPM, which signed on earlier this year? The Daystar station was supposed to sign on RF 18, but its previous owner was able to get the RF channel changed to 23, which was formerly occupied by WSRE. WSRE is RF 31 and VC 23.1, so WDPM should be RF 23 and VC 31.1, right? Or maybe VC 18.1, since that was their original RF channel? Last I heard, they were using VC 4.1. Is that still true? If so, that makes them the real oddball in DTV Land, and completely in conflict with the FCC. If WDPM is still 4.1, then the FCC isn't enforcing their rules as vigorously as we think. When you say this how are they mapping? Normally if I want WYIN Gary, Indiana, I can hit in either 56 or 17. If I hit 56 it shows up as 56.1, if I enter 17.1 it shows up as 56.1 Are you saying that if you hit in 56.1 it would map to 17.1 for example? Or are you saying some stations are just using the actual channel number, in this case 17 and ignoring their virtual number? I noticed that WYIN has an online ID of 17 but that makes little difference, as many TV stations use their cable channel numbers as online ID and completely ignore their actual channel numbers, be it virtual or acutal. PT:

That's one possibility. The FCC hasn't strictly enforced that as a rule. dhett: WDPM was, indeed, mapping to 4-1. Apparently, the FCC got after them for it, and now they're asking the FCC to use 6-1. I haven't heard anything since then. - Trip KCEN-TV in Temple, Texas was on Channel 6 previously and has been using both RF 9 and virtual 9 since the transition. They rebranded from NBC 6 to KCEN 9 in the process. They made the change on February 17th, although KCEN-DT had been on RF 9 since 2002. 1). On their landmark studio site, easily visible off I-35 south of Waco, the big red 6 was simply turned upside down for the new branding. 2). In the FCC rulemaking of February 2001, this statement appears as one of the reasons for granting KCEN's move from its original RF channel 50: ``Moreover, Channel 6 states that viewer identification of a VHF channel 9 operation will be augmented by the fact that KCEN's analog and digital operations would be in the same frequency band.'' Here in Columbus Ohio the ony DTV station that broadcqast on the actual RF channel is WDEM CD. The virtual channel and its UHF channel are the same. Hearsay states that W23BZ flash cut to UHF 23 and tis virtual number is going to be 23. I did read that WMFD in Mansfield Ohio started to refer themselves as WMFD DT12 they still showing 68 for its virtual channel. Some of the on screen idents for WHIZ DT is showing UHF 40 and their virtual channel still displaying 18. WLXI Greensboro, NC was Channel 61. When I scanned the channels with converter box no. 2, I had an ideal antenna setup and probably good conditions as well, and a mysterious "channel 43" appeared. Converter box no. 1 didn't pick this one up. I haven't watched it because I try to keep both converter boxes on the one channel. Edit: I knew I should have read the whole thread first. On a related note, if I want to watch channel 2 on cable, I have to turn to channel 22. If I want to watch digital channel 2, I have to turn to channel 51. It works on converter box no. 2, but I keep that one on channel 8 (which is really 35). But I rarely watch channel 2 since CBS is on channel 3 on cable. And converter box no. 1 stays on channel 48 (which is really channel 33), or sometimes I turn to channel 45 (which is really channel 29). The TV in the kitchen won't pick up anything because it has a tape stuck in it. The TV hooked up to TiVo won't pick up anything either, but it tapes all the shows I want and even some I don't, and I can watch them later! Coverage of Senator Kennedy's Funeral Here in Hartford WFSB Channel 3.1, the Merideth-owned CBS affiliate is airing the normal Kewlopolis block of Kids Cartoons from CBS instead of CBS's coverage of Senator Kennedy's funeral. WFSB bumped CBS's coverage of Senator Kennedy's Funeral to Channel 3.3 which is Eyewitness News Now, their 24 hour news and weather station. (WFSB tapes the cartoons and airs them on a delay 9AM-12PM, so they can show their own local news 6AM-9AM and not show the CBS Saturday Morning Show. That's how WFSB is able to show CBS-branded programming on

both Channel 3.1 and 3.3). In Springfield, Mass one would assume that co-owned/operated WSHM-LP/67 (also channel 3.2 in Hartford) is running the Funeral Service as there is no digital sub channel to put it on. Plus they don't have a Saturday Morning Newscast and run all the CBS programming as scheduled. On Charter Cable in Jackson, TN, WREG (CBS) and WMC (NBC) in Memphis and WBBJ (ABC) and WJKT (Fox) in Jackson are carrying the funeral, but WHBQ, the Fox station in Memphis, isn't. Considering that all Fox has on Saturday morning is infomercials I'm surprised that WJKT is even carrying it. Although I think carrying Senator Kennedy's funeral is more justified than Michael Jackson's, I still don't see why it is necessary for all the broadcast networks to drop regular programming for this. This is getting plenty coverage from the cable networks, and it could be carried on subchannels by the local stations. But then since it's Saturday morning the networks probably think they could get away with this easier than if it had been during the week or when major sporting events are happening. I just wonder what local stations will have to do to get the required E/I programming in that is normally done with the Saturday morning kid's shows. My guess is that it will be shown in the extreme early morning and/or in place of infomercials. Most of our locals on late Saturday morning are in news (CBS affiliate delays the Saturday early morning network news and runs it's own news 6-10am) infomercials or fill-in programming. I'm sure a lot of kids were upset that Saturday morning cartoons were not on today! I know I would have been! Massachusetts TV is covering the funeral of a Massachusetts Senator who died. He did not represent the other 49 states, so it would be reasonable that the other 49 states would carry regular programming. It is a Kennedy family matter, a private and personal affair in fact, just as your funeral would be. I was absolutely stunned to turn on at 5:30 my time (Eastern) and find only one broadcast network (NBC) airing coverage of Sen. Kennedy's burial; ABC had the Little League World Series, CBS had golf, Fox had the Mets-Cubs game. ABC, on the other hand, did stay on past 7 (and since I get the New York and LA o&os, except for Fox LA, I think this was deliberate; Tom Brokaw handed off NBC's coverage to MSNBC at 7). Yes, Sen. Kennedy had his share of peccadilloes, but his reputation as one of the great legislators is deserved (plus the Kennedy name would warrant more coverage than this, I would think). Today, at least, I think saying goodbye to him is more worthy of coverage than whatever Tiger Woods did. I just wonder what local stations will have to do to get the required E/I programming in that is normally done with the Saturday morning kid's shows. My guess is that it will be shown in the extreme early morning and/or in place of infomercials. As long as "extreme early morning" means 7AM -- FCC law says any E/I seen prior to 7AM local time will not count. Though no doubt TV stations will be refunding infomercial companies some of their money for airtime annexed by E/I.

bpatrick, There was coverage on every cable news channel. I'm glad the coverage was as it was. I never watched a minute of it - on purpose. As a Midwesterner, I could care less about him. With respect, I'd go so far as to say he was an unconvicted murderer. Yes--where, let's say, a bunch of infomercials are scheduled (or some other filler programming), like the middle of the afternoon on a Sunday. What good does it do to be there when, realistically, no one knows it's there. That benefits...who, exactly? Interesting. In my market, infomercials precluded Kennedy coverage on most stations, but the ABC affiliate ran with it. My NBC affiliate carried coverage through their local news block, but as soon as 6pm arrived it was "Entertainment Tonight", despite the burial not being over. ET clearance is evidently much more important. Bigger picture, this story is big because of the historical context. (Third brother, past funerals of his siblings, etc...I wonder how many media decisions are being made today by those who just are too young to remember the historical context. If so, sad.) I expected the cable news channels to cover it; I was referring to the broadcast networks (note I didn't even mention CNN, Fox News Channel, or MSNBC--for the simple reason that it would be a no-brainer that they would cover it). I'm glad the coverage was as it was, too, but for a different reason: I still remember the train that carried Bobby's body to Arlington and how it took until after midnight before he was finally laid to rest--with the networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) going on hour after hour after hour covering the route of the train to the point of absolute boredom. After airing "The Saturday Early Show" live as usual from 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM and KEWLopolis programming for one hour, WKRG-TV aired CBS News programming until shortly after 12:00 PM when the network switched to sports programming. After airing educational/informative programming (including "Gladiators 2000") for a couple of hours, WALA-TV aired news programming from FOX until shortly after 12:00 PM, when the station joined the syndicated movie "Baby Geniuses" all ready in progress. After airing "Today" pre-recorded between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM and NBC News programming from 9:00 AM until shortly after 12:00 PM, WPMI-TV began showing qubo programming all ready in progress. At 1:30 PM, the station showed paid programming instead of the network sports programming until the "New Orleans Saints Pregame Show" from COX Sports Television at 2:30 PM and the simulcast of the football game between the New Orleans Saints and the Oakland Raiders with WJTC-TV, an independent station, at 3:00 PM. Both WPMI-TV and WJTC-TV are owned by Newport Television. WPMI-TV did not show NBC News programming between 4:30 PM and 6:00 PM. After the football game ended shortly after 6:00 PM, WPMI-TV returned to regular programming beginning with paid programming all ready in progress instead of the weekend edition of "Entertainment Tonight", which used to air at 6:00 PM on Saturdays. WPMI-TV still airs this edition of "Entertainment Tonight" at about 2:00 AM on Mondays. WJTC-TV also showed paid programming all ready in progress until 7:00 PM, when the station began airing syndicated episodes of "Family Guy". "The CBS Evening News" on WKRG-TV was the only network newscast at 5:30 PM on Saturday, since WEAR-TV doesn't air ABC's "World News Saturday" (or "World News Sunday"), but aired ABC News programming from 9:00 AM until shortly after 12:00 PM, when the network switched to sports programming, and from 6:00 PM until shortly after 7:00 PM when the network switched to

the movie "Flightplan" all ready in progress. Well, except for the fact that the many, many pieces of legislation he championed and authored had significant bearing on the lives of many Americans. Little details like that might be why it was carried on national news networks and in many markets around the country. You're right homerjay! All of these media drones who have amnesia with regard to the good Senator's deeds have me thinking that wall-to-wall adoration of him for three days isn't enough. No, more needs to be done. In honor of his shining legacy, I truly hope that someone names a bridge after Teddy. Perhaps in the Town of Edgartown, MA. It just seems right. And, while we're at it, an underwater diving park (as they have in the Great Lakes) would be a wonderful tribute. Again, in a certain coastal waterway on the east side of the Vineyard. I heard they installed a mini diving reef there in the form of a 1969 Buick. Other fitting tributes that should bear his name definitely should include an HMO, the slow line at the DMV, and the Ted Kennedy memorial "Press 1 for English" greeting when you call a business or government office. Perhaps the good folks at Johnny Walker will even come out with a commemorative line for him: TK's Brown Label. Because the man really needs to be recognized for how he lived and that which he left behind. Roll Eyes It used to be that we all shared basic standards of civility: for instance, when someone died, even if you didn't agree with what they stood for or how they lived their life, the civilized thing to do was to at least respect their accomplishments and, if you couldn't say anything nice at all, then to say nothing at all while those who cared and respected that person were mourning. Those standards appear to have fallen by the wayside, and I think our civilization (if you can still call it that) is the worse for it. Yes, Ted Kennedy did an awful thing 40 years ago, and even if he escaped criminal punishment for it, he paid the price for the rest of his life. There's not one obituary of the man that doesn't have Chappaquiddick as an early and important factor in his life. You may not like what he spent the rest of his life and political career doing. You may believe that his actions, or his political views, or the accidents of heredity over which he had no control, all made him somehow ineligible for any hope of redemption for what he did. You may believe that after what happened at Chappaquiddick, he should have vanished from the public eye, or been locked up for the rest of his life, or whatever it is that you believe. It's a free country. You're welcome to that opinion. But I hope you'll at least pause from your sarcasm and your attempts at humor for a moment and consider all those people lined up along the route of his funeral procession yesterday. They're Americans, too, and they certainly seemed to believe that what Ted Kennedy did for them in the last 40 years of his life outweighed that awful deed that happened before many of them were even born. Then consider what the more civil members of your own political faction had to say about the man. If you can get beyond your preconceptions long enough, listen to the remembrances Orrin Hatch and John McCain delivered Friday night, and see if perhaps somewhere in there you can find a shred of respect for all of the other things beyond Chappaquiddick that also contributed to the man Ted Kennedy was. Or read any of the very civil, respectful, and dare I say even admiring statements about Kennedy's passing that came from friends and colleagues of all political stripes. Even Sarah Palin had the grace and respect to put out a nice comment expressing her sympathies for the family.

Oh, and spare me the whole, "but the libs are going to go to town on Dubya when he dies" attempts at equivalency. Go back and look at what happened after the deaths of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Yes, you can point to a handful of disrespectful columns and letters to the editor and such, because there's always somebody on either side who'll say something outrageous to get noticed. But I think you'll find the vast majority of those who disagreed with them still managed to rise to the occasion and respect their service to America - and that if they couldn't muster that, they at least kept their mouths shut and avoided acting like uncultured boors. I'm hard-pressed to remember any comments suggesting that a Ronald Reagan monument should be built in the form of a statue of Bonzo, or that Nixon should be honored with a plaque on a jimmied door at the Watergate. I fear that we are losing the ability not only to respect, but even to attempt to understand, those with whom we disagree. That's not a healthy thing. Scott said; Yes, Ted Kennedy did an awful thing 40 years ago, and even if he escaped criminal punishment for it, he paid the price for the rest of his life. There's not one obituary of the man that doesn't have Chappaquiddick as an early and important factor in his life. Scott, with all due respect, WOW - a historic fact is in his obit. That's not exactly "punishment." Omitting that all together would get too much flack from some of us. Must not have really been too (your word) "important" as he got away with MURDER! Now, that's (your word) CIVILITY." I've been watching stuff on Biography this afternoon about the gangster Lucky Luciano. Though he "owned" lots of police, the Feds deported him for his racketeering. I guess when you are "connected in the government" they let the murder go unpunished. You or I, without his "name" couldn't get away with that, could we? It's over. May God rest his soul. Again, individual commentaries in local newspaper columns or partisan blogs are not mass media. NBC, ABC, CBS, and the cable networks ARE mass media. Yes, I suppose one could call the Rush Limbaugh Show an example of mass media - but Rush doesn't try to pass himself off as an impartial reporter of news. Brian Williams, Katie Couric and the rest DO masquerade as "impartial" for the uninformed and under educated among us. There's a big difference. While a certain selection of people in New York may read columns in the Post, and another localized group read the Orlando Sentinel, those publications barely have the fraction of the impact that 4 days of wall to wall televised coverage on the big 3 and cable networks have. So, if you would actually take a reasoned look at what I wrote - as opposed to a knee-jerk attack - I think you can agree that "mainstream" is defined as the kind of source that reaches millions of people. And the sources cited by Scott don't really reach that level. I wasn't "picking and choosing" - just being realistic with regard to where people obtain information. My earlier mistake was to broad-brush all "media" as opposed to calling out the national news sources (particularly TV networks). Mr. Fybush caught me on that one and I do stand corrected. One mass media source that hasn't been cited or attacked in this thread is Fox News. Interesting why would that be? Perhaps because they were not any more critical of Sen. Kennedy's life than anyone else. At one point, they actually chided the public because they received so many "what about Chappaquiddick emails" which was interesting. Also, kudos to ricksegers for correctly pointing out that the attention that Kennedy received will not be repeated for any other sitting senator (nor has it been in the past).

What if the virtual channel overlaps with the same real channel? I was updating some Wikipedia articles and discovered that a channel near where I live is on channel 48 (not near enough that I can receive the digital signal, though under the right weather condtions I could pick up the analog channel). This channel likely overlaps quite a bit with a station still calling itself channel 48, and I get that channel by typing in "48" or clicking on the up arrow when I'm on channel 45. This is an important issue because twice I've had to enter the "real" channel in order to pick up a station. Actually, for one of those cases, it's a lot more than twice since the converter box has never figured out the virtual channel for this station and still dispalys "No Signal" when I try to pick it up that way. So what happens if one tries to turn to channel 48 in between these two stations? Where I live, I am getting WPXI-TV, which is "virtual" Channel 11, transmitting on UHF 48. I am also getting 11-2, which is their RTV multicast. Plus I am getting a channel which appears as "RF 11", which is actually the local CW affiliate. They moved from UHF 19 analog to 11 digital moments after WPXI analog signed off. CW has not openly identified itself as "channel 19" for a long time. They were "Pittsburgh's UPN" and then "Pittsburgh's CW" after the merger. The analog UHF signal was actually a former Johnstown station that got a change in city of license. The transmitter remained atop a hill 60 miles east of Pittsburgh, and relatively few people ever got it over the air. How they are going to resolve this when they never built any initial identity around "CW 19" will be interesting to watch. It would depend on the tuner. I know someone in Delaware and when conditions are right he can get WCBS from NYC on virtual channel 2 and WMAR from Baltimore on virtual channel 2. He just gets TWO channels marked 2.1 on on of his TVs. His other TV has a different tuner and if he hits 2.1 he gets nothing, but if he enters the real channel number he can get them both that way. Interestingly, then, when the KJWY move is completed, he'll sometimes be able to get THREE channel 2.1's: New York, Wilmington, and Baltimore. It will really test the ability of some tuners. What do you mean by KJWY? The stations licensed to Delaware are WHYY-DT (PBS) of Wilmington, WPPX-DT (ION) of Wilmington and WDPB-DT (PBS) of Seaford. Now then...my Sanyo 26" LCD HDTV and Insignia digital converter box (when hooked to compare the two tuners) map to the virtual channels like most TVs and boxes normally do. Here in Hartford/New Haven, two channels have their digital assignment on their old analog assignment: WTXX-DT (CW) channel 20 Waterbury/Hartford WHPX-DT (ION) channel 26 New London WCTX-DT (MY) channel 39 of New Haven was on analog channel 59. However, they still ID themselves on air as "MY-TV 9" since most cable systems here put them on that channel. I'd like to see what they'll call themselves in a few years when most, if not all, analog cable lineups as we know it are gone? I saw this on the Wiki page, when entering those call letters. Apparently, it was analog channel 2 in Jackson, WY, and ran with only 178 watts visual, and is/was a semi-satellite of KIVI-TV analog channel 6 of Idaho Falls/Pocatello, ID. My question here is...why would they move a station from

western Wyoming to northern Delaware? PMCM is seeking permission to reallocate KJWY from Jackson, WY to Wilmington, Delaware, as part of a legal loophole that allows any VHF station that moves to a state with no FCC-licensed commercial VHF stations to receive automatic permission to move. After of the digital television transition of 2009, Delaware and New Jersey no longer have VHF signals. (PMCM is also looking to buy KVNV and move it to New Jersey under the same rule.)[2] The move would make KJWY and KVNV two of only a handful of stations east of the Mississippi River to have a call sign starting with "K" instead of "W." I saw this on the Wiki page, when entering those call letters. Apparently, it was analog channel 2 in Jackson, WY, and ran with only 178 watts visual, and is/was a semi-satellite of KIVI-TV analog channel 6 of Idaho Falls/Pocatello, ID. My question here is...why would they move a station from western Wyoming to northern Delaware? Because Philadelphia is market #4, while Idaho Falls is #163. (and the Jackson station, even if operated at full 100kw/600m power, would only cover a small fraction of the market) A similar application has been filed to reallocate KVNV channel 3 from Ely, Nevada to a New Jersey township just outside NYC. (the transmitter would be in Manhattan) In Philadelphia WTXF uses 29.1, their old analog number (they're now on 42), even though UHF 29 is now used by WUVP (65.1) on a tower within walking distance of WTXF's stick. I guess it really doesn't matter if all parties agree. However, last night WUTB's PSIP failed and showed up as 41.3 instead of 24.1 on my DTT901. I think stations should have ushered in the new era of DTV with new channel numbers, if applicable. Especially since all channel numbers have the point as in 29.1 and aren't rounded off like before. Cheesy I personally think these channels will never get the point. Tongue P.S.:It is possible to get the point! KAIL (Fresno, CA) moved from 53 to 7 and became not just channel 7 but My Digital 7.1 with Retro TV as 7.2. Fresno may be small (it was when I went to CSU Fresno) but they're smart! Wink This issue ("real" channel vs. virtual channel) has been popping up on this and other boards for the last few years, and the answer always comes back to business: there was no chance that broadcasters would sign on to the DTV transition if, for instance, WPVI in Philadelphia was able to continue branding as "channel 6" while arch-rivals KYW and WCAU became "26" and "34," respectively. And as w9wi will shortly be along to point out, there's no such thing as a "real" RF channel, anyway. WTXF *is* on "channel 29" - it's just that "channel 29," at least in the context of Philadelphia, now refers to 638-644 MHz instead of 560-566 MHz. You never knew that virtual "channel 29" was 562 MHz in the analog world, and you don't need to know that it's 640 MHz in the digital world. (Or that it's 470-476 MHz in Buffalo, or that it's some 12 GHz channel on your DirecTV dish, or whatever.) I think you're overthinking this. When/if the current KJWY and KVNV licenses are moved to Wilmington/Philadelphia and NJ/NYC, they'll effectively become new stations in those markets. I expect they'll use "2" and "3" as their virtual channels, because there's no reason for them not to (and some very good marketing reasons for them to do so), but they won't have network affiliations, since those are all spoken for, and then some, in both markets. Meanwhile back in Wyoming and Nevada, the proposal to move the stations also includes the

suggestion that the FCC might immediately allocate "new" stations on the current KJWY/KVNV facilities that would continue operating seamlessly on those channels, at least from the point of view of the viewers in those areas. This part of the proposal is more complicated, from a regulatory POV, than the initial proposal to move the licenses across the country. Same thing here in Boston with WHDH which is broadcasting on both 7 and 42 right now due to signal/reception issues. WHDH's main channel is NBC while its sub-channel is This TV. Both subchannels show up twice on my converter box, since I have no reception issues, and they all map to 7. So I get two 7.1s and two 7.2s. I just manually deleted the second set so it doesn't show up twice when I'm flipping through the channels. The other day I got 2 signals on 4-1:WCMH Columbus (rf14) and WTAE Pittsburgh (rf51)..My location in Canton, Ohio is right in between both Pittsburgh and Columbus.. Another situation not directly related, but sort of, WOAC-TV 67 in Canton, Ohio was recently sold to TCT Christian TV of Marion, Ill..The closing was today, and TCT is actually dropping their virtual channel 67 in favor of digital RF Channel 47, as well as changing their call letters to WRLM-TV..In doing this, a 27 year history of channel 67 in Canton, Ohio effectively ended at about 1PM today.. Getting back to my original question ... I watch My 48 more than any other channel on digital TV. It's actually on 33.1, but you don't have to know that. But east of My 48 is WRAL, which is still said to be on channel 5. According to Wikipedia, it's actually at 48.1. So what happens if you can pick up both? I mention this because threee times I've had to tune to the real channel. Actually, I've never received channel 2 on 2.1 on my first converter box, so it's every time I turn to channel 2, I have to turn to 51.1. Channel 2 works on my second converter box, which wouldn't pick up channel 20.1 until I turned to 19.1. And referring to Mark Wooldridge's post, I couldn't pick up channel 8.1. But when they got temporary permission to return to 35.1, I could pick it up on 35.1. Last night I had to rescan, though, and 8.1 shows up on 8.1. What *should* happen... When you do a channel scan, your TV tunes itself to RF channel 2 and checks to see if there's a signal there. There isn't, so it goes on to RF channel 3 and checks there. And so on and soforth, until it reaches RF channel 33.* When it tunes to RF channel 33, it finds a signal -- WMYV. It reads WMYV's PSIP packets, which tell your TV "I want you to call me channel 48". The TV stores that data in a lookup table: if you punch in "48" on the remote, tune to RF-33. It then continues scanning. Eventually it reaches RF channel 48 and finds a signal from WRAL. WRAL's PSIP tells your TV "I want you to call me channel 5". The TV stores that data in a lookup table; if you punch in "05" on the remote, tune to RF-48. So, you should be able to receive both stations just fine. The only consequence of WRAL's RF channel matching WMYV's virtual channel is that you can't tune WRAL by punching in its RF channel - you *must* punch in its virtual channel. (you could tune WMYV either way -- either "33" or "48" will bring it in **on most TVs**. In theory 33 isn't supposed to work but on most sets it does.)

Even then, on most sets you can tune by RF channel by going into "manual channel add". A common trick for "DXers" is to go to manually add a RF channel that doesn't exist in the market and see what virtual channel shows up during the next band opening. * of course it's probably found a few other signals before it reaches RF-33. I have the Magnavox digital box, and it happened to me recently. WGBO was ID'ing as channel 66 (their old channel). Their RF channel is 38.1, but PSIP was ID'ing as 66.1 until I did a rescan. It now shows up as 38.1. WCPX is now on 43.1, but they ID on PSIP as 38.1 (their old channel). So unless I type in 38.1, and hit channel up, then I have to type in 43.1 to get WCPX. WLS-TV is the only station that ID's with their real channel, as they moved their digital to 7.1 on June 12th from 52.1. I saw on some Sanyo TV's, that it shows both the RF channel, as well as the PSIP channel. I wonder if that's to help people learn the real channel, should stations decide to ID with the RF channels later on. I wish I knew the model of the specific Sanyo TV's. If WGBO's PSIP is coming up as 38.1 then it's wrong. The ATSC standard (and by reference to same, the FCC regulations) require they use their old analog channel as their major channel -- it *should* come up as 66.1. If WCPX is coming up as 38.1, they've got it right. I don't know what to say about that one. All I know is the PSIP for WGBO comes up as 38.1 (their RF channel) since the rescan. As long as no other station comes in on 43.1 during a e-skip, then I have to type in 43.1 so it goes to WCPX, just so I don't have to type in 38.1, and hit channel up to get WCPX. At least for now, WGBO doesn't have any subchannels, or it could be worse. As for the ATI ATSC tuner card for my PC, I have a choice on whether to have the channels displayed with their RF channel, or PSIP channel. I choose the RF channel, just so I make myself learn the new channel. The channels scanned with their RF channels pop up in RF order. If I chose to have it go by the PSIP channel, then it would list the channels in PSIP order. When I rescanned I picked up a channel 43.1. I was told on another topic it was WLXI, which was channel 61 analog. If it comes up without my typing in 43, then that's its virtual channel. I discovered on the CW message board that San Francisco has a Fox affiliate on channel 44, while the CW affiliate is on virtual channel 44. The person who posted has a converter box that goes to the Fox station. This shouldn't have ever happened. Now when I went to Radio Shack and tried to convince the man I asked about channel 8 that I was really watching channel 35, he typed in 35 and got channel 36. So the person who was having a problem needs that TV. It looks expensive, though. Week and half ago I was getting WSAV for 5 minutes. Their digital signal was broadcast on UHF23. In Columbus Ohio GTN23 a low power analog wasn't coming in on UHF23. When GTN23 comes back on WSAV Was gone. WSAV is broadcast on channel 39. And comes from Georgia. - Trip WSAZ Huntington WV, most likely. Close enough to Columbus OH and broadcasts on ch 23.

ABC movies on Saturdays? Not at 8. At 4. I didn't look at the listings that closely. I thought the Fox station was showing the movie in Charlotte. I watched the ABC station in Winston-Salem since I was already on the channel on digital TV no. 1. I kept seeing those ABC on-screen ads for shows. They wouldn't do that on an individual station. And it was standardized credits at the end so they could advertise something. And what about yesterday (Sunday August 9) with a Homeland Security rerun from 2-3pm PT on KNXV-TV Phoenix? It had a number of topical promos for ABC Sunday prime and new fall shows. Did this air (5-6 ET) anywhere else? It aired here in Philly from 5-6. Not all that unusual, as they've also been airing Wipeout reruns on weekend afternoons, pre local news. Homeland Security aired at 5PM Sunday here in Providence on WLNE 6, and on Boston's WCVB 5. So it may have aired throughout the network at that time. The network aired old episodes of "Wipeout" earlier in the summer on Saturday afternoons too as part of the network feed. I guess it's in order to keep some rights to the Saturday afternoon timeslot and making sure the affiliates won't ask for it back now that Disney has pretty much completely given over everything sports (except college football and some golf tournaments) to ESPN. It's pretty sad to see the old "Wide World of Sports" time slot end up this way, like watching E/I wither Saturday morning to the point it is now. As well as the fact that the choice is now either network retreads or local infomercials. Previously, my local ABC, WFTS, would show infomercials when there is no sports programming from ABC. Though of course, in the past, when networks had no sports on, local stations would fill the time anyway with old movies, country music shows, Soul Train, or reruns. ABC is, more or less, bringing weekend afternoon entertainment back, though on the network level. I rather have ABC reruns on Saturday afternoons than infomercials. I believe this is like NBC's short lived Sunday afternoon movie efforts after they lost the NFL in 98. They need to bring back ABC Saturday Night Movie - except with the old credits and music and in the afternoon slot! When college footballl returns then ABC will have something to air. How about some family programming from 4 to 6pm? Those ABC Saturday afternoon movies are family-oriented. I noticed this on WSB-TV/Atlanta a few weeks ago. I would suspect ABC is doing this as a way for affiliates to not have to buy programming during the bad economy...but have an alternative to infomercials and other lower-grade programming that

does not cost the affiliates money. Yes...ABC has turned over everything to ESPN. I don't know how the affilates feel about this. As always...affilates are generally not required to carry this block. I suspect most are...because it is free and convenent. The fact that ESPN took over the sports elements really isn't all that big an issue for affiliates. The NBA or college football coming via ESPN is irrelevant--viewers are tuning in to see the game, not worrying which corporate arm is handling production chores. They're still getting the local slots to sell, so it's really a bookkeeping thing more than anything else beyond the end of the Wide World of Sports name, which isn't exactly something the newer generation of viewers were all that attached to. They need to bring back ABC Saturday Night Movie - except with the old credits and music and in the afternoon slot! I agree about bringing the classic bumpers back. Man, remember when a movie premiere was a big deal on network television? ABC had one each Friday in the early 80's and just about every eyeball was watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmZ9D_GiJEI Why not bring back the Pro Bowlers Tour to Saturday afternoons? Wink It won't be the same without Chris Schenkel. "The good taste of beer comes in a bottle!" How about Baseball? It seems to work for Fox. Which probably means they're not about to give it up. :-) It appears that WINK TV (Fort Myers) will have some competition against their 7 p.m. newscast... From the News-Press: Media Matters: NBC2 enters 7 p.m. news fray Quote Starting Sept. 8, the NBC2 (WBBH) news team will produce a 7 p.m. newscast, which will air on sister station ABC7 (WZVN). Is this becoming a trend in other Eastern Time zone markets? I seem to remember a trend in the 80's toward starting 7pm newscasts. Specifically, I know that stations in Seattle (KIRO) and Providence (WLNE and WJAR) started 7pm newscasts. The experiments were short-lived, IIRC. As usual, there are no new ideas (only recycled ideas). Roll Eyes WCMH used to do 7PM news in the early 1990's. Plus they did try a 4PM light news cast for awhile. Since they lost the KingWorld shows and got sued for 5 million, WLNE has introduced a 7 PM newscast, meaning they air news from 4:00-5:00 PM, 6:00-6:30 PM, and 7:00-7:30 PM. Kind of a weird schedule, but I guess they've found their niche in airing newscasts when other stations don't.

WSET expanded the 6PM news to an hour when they lost Wheel and Jeopardy to WDBJ and bumped World News Tonight to 7PM. Soon after, they flipped it and now have a half-hour of news at 7PM. WSET airs no news at 5 due to Oprah. - Trip New Yorks WNBC tried the 7pm slot for awhile and run Extra at 5:30pm.I wonder what happen.Did they had bad ratings going against with ch2's ET/Insider.Ch7 's Jeopardy and sicoms on the other stations at the same time slot. There was a trend toward running network news at 7 in the early '80s; in five markets (New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, and Atlanta) all three network newscasts aired at 7. And I remember that, of fifteen network affiliates between Raleigh/Durham and Atlanta, nine of them carried their network news at 7. The rise of "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" pretty much ended this trend; only WSB still has its network news at 7 (as does WRC Washington). Right now in these parts only two North Carolina stations are doing a 7 PM newscast: WBTV Charlotte and WNCN Raleigh/Durham (theirs is an hour). But six stations in South Carolina: WIS and WLTX Columbia, WCIV and WCSC Charleston, WSPA Spartanburg, and WPDE Florence/Myrtle Beach, have a 7 PM local news. There are 4 PM newscasts on WCNC Charlotte, WCSC Charleston, and WMBF Florence/Myrtle Beach. In Atlanta, WGCL is doing a 4 PM news, and WXIA has a 7 PM one (neither does a 5 PM news, Ch. 11 has Dr. Phil, while Ch. 46 has Ellen DeGeneres). There are also 7 PM newscasts in Knoxville (WVLT) and Louisville (WAVE), and I believe WOWK Charleston/Huntington has one as well. WSB-TV has no incentive to move network news. They are number one with Oprah at 4, Local news at 5 and 6, and ABC World News at 7. WXIA and WGCL are trying new things...because they cannot beat or even get close to WSB-TV...period. In major markets...where commutes seem to get longer and longer...it seems that later newscasts would be a better option. If it means more eyeballs (and since all ad-time can be sold locally during news...money), it may become a trend. I Recall KPLR (St. Louis) Had A 7pm newscast in the early 90's up to the WB affiliation And they have again at 7pm since September as part of an attempt to increase CW ratings (which airs 8-10pm to the end of regular network primetime). A couple months later when KTVI's operations were merged into KPLR's facilities as part of the Local TV/Tribune management agreement, it then became a way to avoid competing with their...roommate's (can't really call it a sister since the stations still have different ownership) newscasts. I'm guessing it's all a part to shine up the station so that KPLR can finally get the ABC affiliation they should've gotten in 1995 in the first place, but Tribune was behind the WB so they had to go with them. Of course KDNL got ABC, KDNL has criminally low ratings for network programming that make your average TBN

station look like a market leader...you know the tale. WLNE Providence just started a 7 PM Newscast last month. Even though only two ABC affiliates carry "World News" at 7/6 Central (the affiliate in Montgomery, AL is the other), I don't think WSB will move it to 6:30; I don't even think Atlanta viewers want such a change. (Interestingly-- and perhaps it was a face-saving statement,--when WSB and WXIA switched, WXIA was confident that it would inherit the NBC news audience. Didn't happen.) It's interesting, though, that the United States is one of the few countries where the network news airs in the early evening (and has since 1948, the very dawn of television). When I consider that Canada's "The National/The Journal" and Mexico's "24 Horas" air at 10 or later, I go back to my argument for a later network newscast. Barring that, look at what some Fox affiliates are doing at 10/9; WBRC Birmingham comes to mind, with a 9 PM newscast that gets in the neighborhood of 55-60 shares. So I'm totally in agreement about later news. One question re Fort Myers: what happens to "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!"? Even though it didn't last, I believe WSET still holds the "honor" of having and doing the only 60 minute 6PM local newscast in the history of Virginia TV. Richmond and Hampton Roads, despite being bigger markets I don't think they ever did. But WSET may lose that "honor" within the next 6 months as Harrisonburg's WHSV is planning to do the 6pm hour long newscast thing...but not for Harrisonburg but rather for WHSV-DT 49.3 's "TV3 Winchester". The other night I heard their anchor saying something like "..coming soon a full hour of local news at six". Also the other day I drove by Gray/WHSV's Winchester studios and noticed two of their cars not only had the regular "TV3 Winchester" logo but also the words "Eyewitness News" a brand that I have yet to hear on the air on the air at either WHSV DT 49.1 or WHSV DT 49.3. Maybe Gray has plans on using "Eyewitness News" for their Shenandoah Valley news broadcasts in the future. One question re Fort Myers: what happens to "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!"? Nothing. The 7 p.m. news will air on WZVN "ABC 7." Was it back in 60s and 70s the network news was allways on at 7pm.I remember tuning in Uncle Walter at 7pm at the time,but i dont remember if Harry Reasoner,Howard K Smith,Frank Reynolds,John Chancellor and others were at 7pm. ABC 27 in Harrisburg,Pa. has carried a 7:00 PM news for years. WJZ in Baltimore has news from 4:00 to 7:00 PM daily. Was it back in 60s and 70s the network news was allways on at 7pm.I remember tuning in Uncle Walter at 7pm at the time,but i dont remember if...(snip)...others were at 7pm. Again, it depends on the market and stations within a given market. The netcasts are live at 6:30 ET, refeed at 7 ET (updated if/when warranted). ABC marched to a bit of a different drummer back then, as they didn't expand from 15 to 30 minutes until sometime in 1967, and for some time after that their first feed was at 6 ET. Some have said that was sort of a "practice show" for the 6:30 feed, so I don't know if ABC was always live at both 6 and 6:30. bpatrick? Not having ever lived in the Eastern Time Zone, or having ever worked an 8-5 job, I can't say how I

would feel about news at 7:00. It makes logical sense to me - you get more eyeballs, people aren't trying to make dinner at the same time... but simultaneously maybe people prefer to watch entertainment programming after getting home from a stressful day at work. Per the original post, NBC-2 will "produce" a 7 PM newscast for ABC-7. Aren't they both owned by the same broadcaster, Waterman? What's wrong with "ABC-7 News At 7"? Or is NBC-2 the bigger news brand in Southwest Florida? I can see if they had a "My" or "CW" station that they were producing a newscast for and giving it the NBC-2 branding, but to do so for an ABC affiliate... boy, they must be in more dire straits than KDNL! WAVE-TV's 7-7:30 pm local news marks the end of a long early evening news slot in the Louisville market, which begins at 4 pm with the Fox affiliate, WDRB, after a 3-4 pm lead in of "The Doctors." This market, by the way, has a reputation for excellent local newscasts that goes back into the Fifties. The 3.5 hours is a lot of news (ABC, CBS, and NBC national newscasts all air at 6:30 pm), but the audience is there throughout. The 4-5 pm lead-in for the ABC affiliate (WHAS) is "Oprah," for the CBS (WLKY) is "The Young and The Restless," and for the NBC (WAVE) it's "Ellen." Thanks for the vote of confidence. Smiley When I was at the University of Georgia I could get Smith and Reasoner on WLOS at 6, and on WXIA at 6:30, and quite often they were like two different broadcasts. I remember in particular one night during the Yom Kippur War when Reasoner closed the 6 PM feed with a bare headline from the Middle East; it was the lead story at 6:30. And many a time I've seen or heard a goof on the 6 PM feed and thought, They're going to have to do it over at 6:30. I was probably right. Actually I think it was a guy from Sioux City, where the ABC affiliate carried the 5 PM (CT) feed, who suggested that the first feed was a "practice," because it was invariably full of slipups. For anyone who wonders here's a list of the stations I can think of that ran ABC's newscast at 7; WSB still does. The list may not be complete so feel free to add: WABC New York KABC Los Angeles KGO San Francisco (All now carry "Jeopardy!" at 7.) WCVB Boston WXYZ Detroit (moved it to 6:30 a few years ago and now has local news at 7) WJLA Washington, DC WJZ Baltimore (now CBS and carries Katie at 7) WTAE Pittsburgh WXIA Atlanta (1978-80, WSB since then) WPLG Miami WRTV Indianapolis WDTN Dayton (early '80s) (is back with NBC now) WSOC Charlotte (most of the '80s) WRAL Raleigh (1982-85, when it switched to CBS) WTVC Chattanooga (late '80s/early '90s) WPGA Macon, GA (briefly in the mid-'90s) WVGA Valdosta, GA (early '80s, is now a satellite of CBS affiliate WCTV Tallahassee) WJXX Jacksonville, FL (I think, briefly in the early 2000s) Some of these stations, like WJLA, WPLG, and WTVC, now carry "Wheel Of Fortune"; others, like WCVB and WSOC,

carry "Inside Edition." But as I say, only Atlanta still gets ABC news at 7. Worth pointing out that WIS has been running a 7pm newscast for ages... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6hGpS9j-Ok Besides the KIRO attempt, the Seattle market had at least another 7pm newscast at some point. The longer commute/work day argument was pretty much the rationale for the KING-5 produced 7pm and 10pm newscasts airing on KONG-16 (cable 6) beginning in the late 90s. At the end of KING-5's 6.30pm newscast, the anchors used to sign off with "More news on KONG, just a click away". The 7pm news has long been cancelled, but the 10pm news is still going strong, thanks in part to the re-run of Oprah serving as lead-in. Yeah, WIS has been running a 7PM newscast since at least the mid 60s. In the 70s and 80s, the 7 o'clock claimed about 80% of the local audience--I think WIS was claiming to reach well over 300,000 households at 7, possibly more than the total households in the market at that time, but the newscast was viewed by people all over the state. WIS did not air news at 6, leaving that to channels 19 and 25. Today the 7 o'clock news is a very pale ghost of its former self. WIS airs local news from 5 to 6:30 and again at 7, along with WLTX/19. For some reason I think Buffalo's WKBW at one point in the 70's had 60 minutes of local news at 6 and then ABC News at 7 because I seem to recall hearing a promo with Irv Weinstein on the old WKBW radio mentioning a "brand new" full hour of local news on channel 7 but OTOH according to my family who live in the Buffalo area they have no memory at all of WKBW-TV doing that. At that time I could go to TV Guide's Dallas office and pick up any edition I wanted--from anywhere in the country plus Canada! I don't recall WKBW carrying ABC News at 7, but I believe then-sisterstation WTNH Hartford/New Haven did (I know the Hartford CBS affiliate, WFSB, carried Cronkite at 7). I keep thinking that for a very short time in 1977 WTSP Tampa/St. Petersburg carried ABC News at 7, but it didn't work (I didn't know until I got some Central Florida editions off ebay that they had aired Smith and Reasoner at 6:30 for a short time before I moved there in '73; they were on at 6 the whole time my parents lived there). ABC News seemed to work only at 6 in the Bay Area (Orlando, with a much stronger ABC affiliate, had the network news at 6:30 from 1971 on). New Yorks WNBC tried the 7pm slot for awhile and run Extra at 5:30pm.I wonder what happen.Did they had bad ratings going against with ch2's ET/Insider.Ch7 's Jeopardy and sicoms on the other stations at the same time slot. I heard it did worse than Extra, although they kept saying it did good in certain demos. It seems like a good enough fit for that subchannel that debuted a few months ago. Besides the KIRO attempt, the Seattle market had at least another 7pm newscast at some point. The longer commute/work day argument was pretty much the rationale for the KING-5 produced 7pm and 10pm newscasts airing on KONG-16 (cable 6) beginning in the late 90s. At the end of KING-5's 6.30pm newscast, the anchors used to sign off with "More news on KONG, just a click away". The 7pm news has long been cancelled, but the 10pm news is still going strong, thanks in part to the re-run of Oprah serving as lead-in.

Surprisingly, the 7pm news on KONG never caught on. The ratings were miniscule and the newscast was quietly cancelled. However, cable viewers still have NWCN in the Pacific Northwest, which is reasonable local and live -- I believe -- at 7pm. NWCN runs stories from Belo's Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Boise affiliates along with sports, weather, and a little national/world news. WRTV in Indianapolis now air a 7pm Newscast I also Believe WNEP also aired a 7pm newscast There's a clip on youtube of it The list of stations I posted is that of ABC affiliates that at one time or another carried the network news at 7. Most of these do not carry any news at 7 now, and one (WDTN) has gone back to NBC. There are a few ABC stations that have 7 PM local newscasts; WSET has already been mentioned, as have WCIV and WPDE in South Carolina, and I would guess that WRTV's is local. I seem to recall a 7 PM local news on WNEP. At the moment I can think of only six stations in the Eastern time zone that carry network news at 7, and four of them are CBS: KDKA, WJZ, WRGB, and WCAX. There's one ABC (WSB) and one NBC (WRC). I forgot about this, KGW Portland now airs a 7pm newscast not sure how long its been on Now that's unusual, a 7 PM newscast on the West Coast. There have been some postings that suggest that LA could use one (with their traffic it makes sense), but I wonder if one would fare any better than WNBC's did. I remember when KABC and KGO started 4 PM newscasts in the '70s. I'd still like to know why. The Bay Area has had a 7:00 newscast for about a year now. It's produced by KTVU, but is run on Cox sister station KICU licensed to San Jose. At least in the Bay Area, it's part of the trend to fill prime-time hours where there has previously been no news program, or to provide news competition to high-rated competitors. So KPIX runs a 10:00 half-hour news show on CBS sister station KBCW to counter-program the one hour 10:00 O'Clock News on KTVU. KGO-TV (ABC) runs a one-hour newscast on independent KOFY-TV. I imagine its the same in other markets. KTSF's been running a 7pm newscast for some time now. Mind you it's in Cantonese, but it's there. ABC 27 in Harrisburg,Pa. has carried a 7:00 PM news for years. WJZ in Baltimore has news from 4:00 to 7:00 PM daily.

They've had their 7pm newscast since fall 2004; it replaced "Hollywood Squares". In that market, WGAL had a 7pm newscast from 1980-1988. It replaced "Tic Tac Dough" (which moved to WHP, same time of 7pm). In the fall of 1988, WGAL swapped the 7pm newscast for the NBC Nightly News to make a 1-hour news block from 6-7. That news block moved back a half-hour to 5:30-6:30 in early 1991, swapping spots with "Entertainment Tonight" which has aired at 7pm since. I remember back in the '80s in the WashingtonBaltimore edition of TV Guide, WGAL and WBOC Salisbury, MD, had local news at 7. Does WBOC still have theirs? Now that's unusual, a 7 PM newscast on the West Coast. There have been some postings that suggest that LA could use one (with their traffic it makes sense), but I wonder if one would fare any better than WNBC's did. I think KRON in San Francisco runs news at 7 PM... and 8 PM... and 9 PM... and 10 PM... Nope. No news on KRON anymore between 7:00 and 11:00. They had a 9PM broadcast for awhile that was actually getting this loser station some respectable ratings, but that had to drop it when they became a MyTV affiliate. KGO-TV jumped into the breach with a 9PM broadcast on KOFY-TV. WAVE-TV's 7-7:30 pm local news marks the end of a long early evening news slot in the Louisville market, which begins at 4 pm with the Fox affiliate, WDRB, after a 3-4 pm lead in of "The Doctors." This market, by the way, has a reputation for excellent local newscasts that goes back into the Fifties. The 3.5 hours is a lot of news (ABC, CBS, and NBC national newscasts all air at 6:30 pm), but the audience is there throughout. The 4-5 pm lead-in for the ABC affiliate (WHAS) is "Oprah," for the CBS (WLKY) is "The Young and The Restless," and for the NBC (WAVE) it's "Ellen." The WAVE 7PM newscast cannot compete with the syndicated gameshow combo of "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy". Not surprising; WLKY has turned into a powerhouse from 4-8 ever since it moved "Y&R" to 4. I don't think (correct me on this) it runs worse than second in any timeslot during that four-hour block. Conan news cut-ins I was watching my late local news on the NBC station here in Tampa, and Conan O'Brien did a little cut-in promoting tonight's show. He even mentioned the names of the two local news anchors. Does Conan do this for all of the NBC stations? I thought it was kind of neat and hadn't seen it before. well maybe for larger markets, but I don't think he does it here in Providence (DMA #52). If he did that, it would take him hours. The affiliate probably has to pay all kinds of money for that. The Today Show does the same thing on certain stations during the local newscasts before the Today show starts.

Well, considering how Media General owns WFLA (the NBC affiliate in question in Tampa), can somebody in markets like Columbus (where MG operates sister NBC station WCMH) chime in and inform us if Conan was giving a shout-out to Cabot & Colleen? For the record, here's the MG Peacock affiliates (listed in order of DMA): WFLA WNCN Raleigh WCMH Columbus WVTM Birmingham WJAR Providence WSLS Roanoke WSAV Savannah and WCBD Charleston, SC Maybe he does it for the NBC O&O stations? WVIT-DT channel 35 (was analog 30) of New Britain/Hartford is still one of them. I remember Jay Leno doing this in the late 90s for the San Francisco affiliate. He'd say something like "Hi Pete and Pam - coming up on the Tonight Show..." Of course, San Francisco is Market #4 or #5. Jay probably only did this for the top affiliates, and maybe a few others that requested it. How long could it take? A few minutes to tape a dozen of these? He also does a generic version. It runs on NBC 12 in Jacksonville. I've seen Jay do it on KPRC in Houston - sometimes it's a "Bill and Dominique" other times it's the generic - he may have "Made the rounds" of the larger affiliates. As for the Today show, when I visited back in the early 90s, during the 7:25, 7:55, 8:25 and 8:55 breaks, Matt Lauer and/or Katie would do a "stand-up" for local affiliates that would air live during their pre-Today show newscast - IIRC, WMAQ and KXAS and one or two more had a feed during the 7:25 break - we could hear the audio out on the plaza. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the anchors did one of these when the other was doing a longer-form interview from a side studio... Jim Jay used to do this. I think they rotate affiliates every few weeks. There was one for WXIA/Atlanta (Gannett) that ran for a few weeks. It was not permanent. WXIA gets a live stand-up each morning from Meredith and Matt. I don't know which affiliates qualify. I am assuming top markets (Atlanta is #8). I remember seeing a commercial the other day where he was with the morning news crew here in Miami promoting his show and the local morning news show. Did Jay ever do that with your morning news show? I think WCAU has this for the 11 PM newscasts too. I'm not sure. Conan did a commercial with the main anchor team here in Phoenix. It was vintage Conan -- not the least bit funny! Cheesy Here in the Bay Area I remember, then NBC affiliate, KRON doing live chats with the Today Show anchors. They were teasing the Today Show. It would make sense that it was live since 6:50AM here is 9:50AM New York. Now also the local CBS o/o, KPIX, does it with The Early Show. Dunno if

KNTV the NBC o/o does it or not. Or ABC o/o KGO as well. But as for Conan doing a tease during the 11pm news? Haven't seen it. I do remember Jay Lamo doing it with his guests standing around him. It looked like they taped it after his show. I am sure Conan did the affiliate tour before the start of his Tomight Show. That is when they usually tape a few generic promos. On the rare Late Night with Jimmy Fallon that I saw, he did a comedy skit where he had to tape 15 local spots in 60 seconds. He actually named the real anchors for the local stations, like "Stay tuned for Late Night with Jimmy Fallon after the news with Sue and Chuck here on WNBC 4 New York" Then proceeded to do more within 60 seconds. It was humorous. Jackson Memorial Service Coverage As of 11 PM Sunday, the following networks will cover the memorial service live (using the AEG produced feed, unless the networks can convince organizers to let their own cameras in): ABC NBC Fox (seperate from Fox News) CNN HLN (seperate coverage from CNN) CNN International (probably simulcast with CNN/US) MSNBC (seperate from NBC) Fox News E! TV Guide Network No word on CBS, MTV, TV One, or BET (I suspect all will go with live coverage). Last time we saw coverage of this magnitude was 9/11. I'm not sure I see a need for the broadcast networks to go live with it, but whatever. Did any other celebrity who's neither a head of state, royalty or a religious figure get as much coverage as this? To be honest, this many networks carrying the funeral is overkill. At this rate, I won't be surprised if PBS, Univision, Showtime and C-Span jump on board as well, with the CBC carrying it in Canada for that Canadian perspective. PBS won't carry it - they're elitist, and this would attract a large amount of people! C-SPAN carrying Michael Jackson's funeral? No way. Besides, Congress is back in session this week. I didn't know NBC had decided to go live; yesterday I read that they were going to show highlights of the service at 10 PM (ET) tomorrow night. As of yesterday, CBS (quoting Katie) hadn't decided whether or not to go live, and I haven't heard anything this morning (maybe they should after the way they downplayed Elvis's death Smiley). But not Elvis, not John Lennon, not even Frank Sinatra got the wall-to-wall coverage Michael Jackson is getting (of course, there weren't all these cable channels when Elvis died in 1977; CNN was new and still there weren't many cable channels when John Lennon was murdered in 1980). And what I wish somebody would tell me is: what is the big deal about Michael Jackson anyway?

It's sort of fitting, though, that Jackson coverage will pre-empt soaps, at least on ABC and NBC, because I think a real-life soap is about to start; I look for an intrafamily squabble over Michael's estate. I saw them announce CBS coverage this morning during the Early Show. - Trip BET is a go. While I was waiting for my parents cookout to start on Saturday afternoon after I got out of work I was watching the Sister Sister marathon on BET and they ran a promo that BET NEWS would be proividing live coverage on Tuesday. All of the networks I mentioned (BET, MTV, TV One) are a go for live coverage. Also add VH1, VH1 Classic, and VH1 Soul to the list. Most of everyone will stream coverage via their websites. Hulu will carry a stream from Fox News, with on-demand access shortly after the service concludes. Several Fox O&O's will not carry the Fox network coverage, including WAGA/Atlanta, instead opting for normally scheduled programming. Over on Golden-Road.net, there's a schedule for tomorrow posted. Apparently, ALL of the shows are being moved around all over the place. It looks like this: Coverage plans from CBS: Eastern Stations 11:00am-12:00n THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS 12:00n-12:30pm Local News 12:30-1:00pm THE BOLD & THE BEAUTIFUL 1:00-2:30pm Michael Jackson Memorial Following News Coverage GUIDING LIGHT will be joined in progress Preempted AS THE WORLD TURNS 3:00-4:00pm THE PRICE IS RIGHT Central Stations 10:00-11:00am THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS 11:00-11:30am THE BOLD & THE BEAUTIFUL 11:30am-12:00n Local Programming 12:00n-1:30pm Michael Jackson Memorial Following News Coverage GUIDING LIGHT will be joined in progress Preempted AS THE WORLD TURNS 2:00-3:00pm THE PRICE IS RIGHT Mountain Stations 9:00-10:00am THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS 10:00-10:30am THE BOLD & THE BEAUTIFUL 10:30-11:00am Local Programming 11:00am-12:30pm Michael Jackson Memorial Following News Coverage GUIDING LIGHT will be joined in progress

Preempted AS THE WORLD TURNS 1:00-2:00pm THE PRICE IS RIGHT West Coast Stations 10:00-11:30am Michael Jackson Memorial Following News Coverage GUIDING LIGHT will be joined in progress 12:00n-12:30pm Local News 12:30-1:00pm THE BOLD & THE BEAUTIFUL 1:00-2:00pm THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS Preempted AS THE WORLD TURNS 2:00-3:00pm THE PRICE IS RIGHT Now I find THIS very unusual. Especially with Price being on in the afternoon. PBS won't carry it - they're elitist, and this would attract a large amount of people! But they'll probably end up having MJ tribute specials during begathon times when they want to get money out of the general public. Roll Eyes Now I find THIS very unusual. Especially with Price being on in the afternoon. What about stations that normally show Guiding Light in the morning, at 9AM or 10AM -- would Price air at those times instead? TPIR will be fed at 9AM, 10AM, and 3PM today. Nevertheless, I find it unusual that an all-new episode of Guiding Light will be joined in progress after the service, instead of a Price repeat -- since Guiding Light will be leaving the air in a couple of months, some die-hard fans would consider that schedule a slap in the face. This is going out on a limb, but perhaps CBS is testing the waters to see how Price might fare in the afternoon if the game shows it plans to put in Guiding Light's place don't make it. But that is just my conjecture, nothing more, and I don't think one airing is going to prove anything, especially coming (in most markets) after the Jackson coverage. You would think, though, that ATWT would be joined in progress and GL get pre-empted, since (as you pointed out) GL will be gone in a couple of months and ATWT will continue. Re some Fox stations pre-empting Jackson coverage: I am surprised that WAGA is one of them; I would expect extremely high ratings in the African-American community, of which Atlanta's is substantial. And over in Britain, Sky (Sky Arts and Sky News) and Five will carry the memorial; sorry, no BBC or ITV coverage. In Canada, CTV and MuchMusic are confirmed, but nothing from CBC, Global, CityTV, or TVA or Radio-Canada on the French side. I take it, since MuchMusic will air coverage, that MusiquePlus will as well? This will cover the French side. And "down under" in Australia, ALL the major networks (Seven, Nine, Ten, ABC) will broadcast it as

well. If there's a good chance coverage will run over, then they can just scrap today's GL and air it tomorrow (meaning it airs twice for the 10 am stations). Telemundo and Univision will covering it live, according to the Washington Post. Nevertheless, I find it unusual that an all-new episode of Guiding Light will be joined in progress after the service But will the GL JIP be today's previously scheduled new episode, or a repeat? There could well be a runover, resulting in even less than half of GL airing. In checking zap2it.com around 9:30am PT, the 3-4 markets I scanned all still showed the normal programming skeds for ABC/CBS/NBC affils (no Jacko). As I understand it, the JIP will be the original, and whether joined in progress or not, it will not re-air on TV (though it will be online). So if it's entirely bumped today, tomorrow's show will air as scheduled. Internet streaming of Jackson's funeral was horrible. Most likely because each site broadcasting the funeral services was overloaded with viewers. I had very little trouble with the MSNBC stream. BTW, they are calling this the biggest streaming event ever in the history of the internet, although I'm not sure how they measure that. I don't think many had streaming capability during 9/11. UPDATE: WAGA did a 180 overnight and aired the service. I suspect corporate HQ may have played a hand. TV Guide Network left the scrolling listings up during the service. In the past, they have been taken down during certain events. They start airing movies Friday, so I wonder how that will turn out. Early reports from Internet research firms indicate the web as a whole kept ticking along. Obviously, some sites are going to have problems if they do have enough capacity to meet demand. Radio stations mostly ignored the event. Several movie theaters showed the event on their screens. We probably won't know how many TV viewers watched for the next day or so, but keep in mind ratings only track at home viewers. Those at work or at a public place at the time are not counted. Actually, some CBS affiliates (at least, WANE in Fort Wayne) will be airing Tuesday's Guiding Light during the overnight hours, after Dave and Craig (and, on some stations, infomercials). KYW is doing the same UPDATE: WAGA did a 180 overnight and aired the service. I suspect corporate HQ may have played a hand. Interesting, but neither FOX O&O WFXT in Boston or WNAC here in Providence aired the FOX Network coverage. I also checked both of their websites, and only WFXT had a live stream of FOX's coverage up (not FNC). Re some Fox stations pre-empting Jackson coverage: I am surprised that WAGA is one of them; I

would expect extremely high ratings in the African-American community, of which Atlanta's is substantial. It was reported last night on DCRTV.com where Baltimore's WBFF FOX 45 ( Sinclair ) didn't air any of the funeral at all. Now did Sinclair move the coverage to WNUV channel 54 or was it an act of "protest" such as protesting all of the MJ coverage or did WBFF share the same opinions as that senator from New York had for Jackson by calling him a "pervert" and "child molestor" and by feeling this way WBFF didnt air the Jackson funeral coverage? DCRTV didn't say. Of course with the upcoming format change at 106.7 WJFK, I wouldn't expect that site to do a whole lot of any TV news from DC or Baltimore for the time being since that radio station takes top priority on DCRTV. I don't think there are any tea leaves to be read about the one-day tinkering with the schedule. Any results would indeed be too skewed to be of value. I did say that, while CBS might have been testing the waters on "Price," the numbers wouldn't mean anything, given it was to be a one-time-only showing, coming after an event with huge viewership. As it was, the Michael Jackson service went three hours, so I doubt that any but "GL"'s morning stations (and "Price" was on WCBS at 10 AM) and those in the Pacific time zone even ran it, which definitely renders all conjecture on my part moot. Channel 5 here in Nashville ran Guiding Light at 2:07 this morning (according to what they announced during their newscasts). Since there is a press conference on the Steve McNair incident coming up this afternoon, some more daytime programming is about to get bumped into the overnight hours again tonight/early tomorrow morning. I would suspect Steve McNair is an especially hot topic in Nashville, so I can understand if WTVF delays Guiding Light until the wee hours of the morning (although at this point, unless GL is more popular there than in most places, I don't know how many people care with it going off in September). As for people who say "enough already" about Michael Jackson, I noticed last night that ABC, CBS, and NBC moved on to other things in their newscasts, such as security in federal buildings being less than up to par. CNN, however, was still on the Jackson story, and even was this morning. And I was eating lunch in a restaurant with a set tuned to CNN yesterday; in the approximately 30 minutes I was in there, I saw the clip of Jackson's daughter three times. Now I know what it's like to lose a parent and thus can understand her emotions, but how many times is it necessary to show a child breaking down like that? I hope Michael's brother Marlon is right: maybe now the public will leave Michael alone. The network evening shows might have moved on (never mind ABC's special on Tuesday about the kids and custody), but the morning shows seem reluctant to let it go. Did anyone here watch the coverage live? If so, why the (apparent) delay? I was in McDonald's around noon on Tuesday (I live on central time), and one of the TVs in there was on CNN, carrying Jackson's memorial service. Around noon, Smokey Robinson made a statement, then it seemed

like for the next half-hour, the "talking heads" on CNN filled time, until the service was ready to start. Also, how long did the service last, and what time was it (finally!) over? Apparently, with the preemptions, it ran longer than the networks intended. I'm wondering if this delay had something to do with that. (It was noisy in McDonald's, so I could not actually hear the TV, I could only see the images on the screen.) I was able to catch only CNN early this morning, before the network shows came on, but it doesn't surprise me that they are keeping up the Jackson coverage. I watched only a few minutes (part of Queen Latifah and part of Lionel Richie) before I had to teach a class, but I heard the service lasted three hours, about twice as long as the networks had anticipated. Between the three major cable news networks, it appears CNN is clearly trying to keep the Jackson story in the news. Yesterday morning, one of the top stories on Google News was MJ's dermatologist, Arnie Klein, disclosing on "Larry King Live" the previous night that he once donated sperm but he's not the father of MJ's children. The source of the story? CNN.com. (I also DVR-ed yesterday's "American Morning" and it appears that they were milking some segments from Dr. Klein's "LKL" appearance throughout the show.) But wait, there's more, as the late Billy Mays would say. Yesterday afternoon, one of the top stories on Google News was MJ friend Cicely Tyson disclosing that the reason MJ started wearing his iconic white glove was to cover up a skin condition called vitiligo. The source of the story? Yup, CNN.com - and Tyson was actually a guest on that same "LKL" on Wednesday night after Dr. Klein's appearance. But last night seemed to take the cake. At the start of "Larry King Live," I was greeted by the guest host saying Larry was off... the guest host? Jim Moret from "Access Hollywood." And the show began with "breaking news" which actually was an exclusive interview disguised as "breaking news", the interview being with LAPD chief William Bratton, telling a CNN correspondent that the death of MJ might be ruled a homicide or an accidental overdose. This despite the fact that the coroner's inquiry is not yet complete. The "LKL" panel then spent the remainder of the hour talking about the "news" and even replaying some clips of Dr. Klein's appearance on "LKL" the previous night! And yes, I just checked Google News and sure enough, one of the top stories is Bratton's statement that the MJ death might be ruled a homicide or overdose, with many outlets citing his interview with CNN as the source. With all that said, I can't blame CNN for taking this route. After falling behind Fox News and MSNBC and even their own sister station HLN in some demos and dayparts, it looks like CNN is trying to milk this story for all it's worth. So how much longer will it be before Inside Edition, the Insider, and Entertainment Tonight finally move on to something else? Roll Eyes Michael Jackson has been Diane Dimond's bread and butter for many years, so I don't look for her to give up the gravy train anytime soon! Roll Eyes Amazingly, I still haven't seen any salacious headlines in the National Enquirer and other similar papers, but I suppose that's still coming. Sometimes it takes a while for the print media to catch up! There probably aren't many black people on this site but it's always easy to read between the lines what most of the (especially older men) on here are referring to when slamming Michael after he's dead & ripping newer pop CHR & R&B music(not so much on this thread but definately others here) and what's so bad about "Sister Sister"? The show's amusing, the girls are hot & I'd rather watch that when there's nothing else on than annoying reruns of Scrubs. Actually, the Michael Jackson stuff is slowly starting to die down. Case in point: On Friday's ET, the "Real or Rumor?" segment was back after over a two-week absence, though they still had the "ET

Network" pieces for non-Jacko news. Over on Access Hollywood, the "Hollywood Radar" segment also returned on Friday. But of course, both shows' sites have videos of other news to make up for it. Saturday Prime-Time Without any facts and statistics involved.....it's been noticable that new or original programing has been scheduled lately for Saturday prime evenings. A night that had Jackie Gleason, Gunsmoke , Mary Tyler Moore, Archie Bunker, Saturday nights has gone to the dogs , like syndicated AM programing. Besides Cops, America's Most wanted, were seeing regular new series like Harper's Island been filling in new episodes every week on Saturdays, when the past years, it was movies of what everyone already rented on DVD, or reruns from the shows they originally aired during the weeknight, College Football, or the National extra awards. Do you think it's a trend to see if there is still a Saturday evening audience where it might be lead to develope more programming, especially when the recession has taken a lot of party, entertaining evenings back to the homes. Gomer, your facts and statistics to qualify to place a post on radio info, would be greatly appreciated. Saturday Prime Time pulls lousy numbers, like Fridays, because most people go out or do other activities on Saturday night. The real trick with Saturday would be prime access or early prime time. "The Muppet Show" and "Star Trek: The Next Generation" did wonderfully syndicated in prime access, and the success of "Doctor Who" in the UK at 7pm Saturdays suggests there might still be a market for family-oriented early evening weekend programming. One of the networks might want to experiment with Saturday prime-access on its O&O's, and if they're successful with it, negotiate with other affiliates to take the 7PM hour back on Saturdays in exchange for another hour some other place. Inauguration Coverage It appears that all 3 of the major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) will be covering the inauguration for pretty much the whole day of January 20. I think this is more than ever. It also appears that there will be several musical event specials on throughout the next few days. Has anything like this ever been done before? Don't forget FOX, which is most certainly a "Major". They'll be covering the inauguration, though not as comprehensively as FNC or the legacy majors. Looking at the schedule for the Fox affiliate here in Boston (WFXT), I don't see any inauguration coverage. I even read where BET and TV-One was going to cover this event. HBO is showing all the music events. As they got the exclusive. But you can watch it on hbo.com if you wanted to. I don't know why Time Warner doesn't use TNT or TBS. I don't know why Time Warner doesn't use TNT or TBS. Thank god, I really dont want to see any of it.

From 3:07 PM to 3:17 PM Central time, ABC aired a special report on today's celebrations in Washington, D. C. when stations were airing local programming, but in the case of WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida, the station was airing a tape-delayed version of the network's Saturday night re-run of "Desperate Housewives" after it was pre-empted for a second simulcast of WSRE-TV's (PBS station in Pensacola) one-hour program "DTV Answers". WEAR-TV pre-empted "Ugly Betty" for the first simulcast of "DTV Answers" and aired it on the following Sunday at 3:00 PM, when paid programming usually airs. The folks at WEAR-TV have once again proven themselves unworthy to be affiliated with ABC as they have failed to figure out a better way to serve viewers who may have been interested in "DTV Answers" and/or the network programming that got pre-empted. I understand that ABC's special report seemed unexpected, but WEAR-TV should use good programming judgement at all times and prepare for anything. I understand that ABC's special report seemed unexpected, but WEAR-TV should use good programming judgement at all times and prepare for anything. On the other hand, why was ABC interrupting supposedly-local programming for a special report on an inauguration? Since we already known about this way ahead of time, why was programming interrupted for ten minutes when the news wasn't really "breaking"? I'm told ABC also did a special report yesterday (Saturday) morning during the children's block to report on Obama's train tour from Philly. I was not at home to watch. Seriously? Um, yeah, seriously. They covered the speech (not just the fact he was beginning the train ride). And the decision to air news covergae instead of the Disney Channel reruns is bad because....why? (Let's see if anyone can provide an answer that doesn't devolve into partisan snarkiness.) Inauguration festivities for Barack Obama are getting a lot coverage because: 1) This inauguration is historic--all of them are, but this one for obvious reasons. 2) The unprecedented turnout in Washington, D.C. for inauguration festivities because of said history and Obama's general popularity. 3) It's fairly easy [and likely, cheap] for the networks to cover, with many different angles to pursue (personal stories, scheduled events, interviews with notables, performances, etc.). There's even a sports angle for ESPN to cover, with many professional athletes participating in balls and local events. 4) Said coverage delivered ratings leading up to the election, and similar coverage of Obama's swearing in might sell more widgets in a crappy economy. The 'over the top' coverage is due to a measuably different enthusiasm for this incoming president, one that was not present for the first terms of Bill Clinton or George W. Bush. And the decision to air news covergae instead of the Disney Channel reruns is bad because....why? (Let's see if anyone can provide an answer that doesn't devolve into partisan snarkiness.) This post is brought to you by the letters "E" and "I", and by the "/" key.

Whether or not you personally voted for Barack Obama, doesn't change the fact that this is an historic event. That makes it news worthy. Anyone old enough to remember the 1960's Civil Rights marches, etc, realize that this is quite an accomplishment for America. A person of color, or a woman of any color could not win an election for President back then. To see that change to such a degree in 40 years is remarkable (no one living then would have thought it possible), so it is news. It's natural that the network news organizations ABC,CBS, FOX, NBC, and PBS (as well as the radio networks ABC, CBS, Westwood One, and NPR) would be giving this a lot of coverage. My guess is even the talking bloviators like Rush/Hannity, etc, will offer their versions of coverage. If you're not interested in watching or listening there's plenty of other cable and satellite stations that will not be airing inaugural events on TV, most FM stations will continue with their usual music formats and there is always the ON/OFF switch on your TV set and radio. Chris Matthews and Keith Obermann must be euphoric when it comes to covering Obama's Inauguration. After all those two were rooting for the guy to win way back when he first announced his candidacy in January 2007. Didn't MSNBC learn its lesson letting those guy play news anchor? They are commentators not news anchors. Plus they wear their bias on their shirt sleeves, yet they are critical of conservative radio talk show hosts. Talk about hypocrisy. Roll Eyes Have you been keeping your ears open for the past month? People in this area shut their mouths after obama was elected. Most people aren't (admitting to) watching any of the coverage and I don't hear anyone talking about the presidential election or the inauguration. Out of site, out of mind. We're just pretending that none of this ever happened. It's really strange, and I just figured it out about a week ago... but what else would you expect from a very "red" area of the country. Also, as far a WEAR is concerned, they are a Sinclar station. Corporate agrees with the majority of the Gulf Coast locals. I doubt many people missed any of the ABC coverage or even knew they were missing it. You misunderstood my previous post. WEAR-TV aired the network's special report seven minutes into their tape-delayed broadcast of "Desperate Housewives" before returning to it at 3:17 PM. Get melodramatic much? If you undersand the special report was relatively unscheduled--at least in comparison to planning to bump the network shows--why, exactly, is the station unworthy to be an affiliate? Special reprots happen. Life goes on. People missed a whopping 10 minutes of a show. A bit frustrating, perhaps, but it sounds like the station made a good-faith effort to reschedule the program, but they can't control when news happens. This is why: The station airs "Nightline" at about 11:00 PM (or later to make room for a local high school football program on Fridays), airs "Jimmy Kimmel Live" at 12:00 AM (or later) never aired "Port Charles", doesn't air the weekend editions of ABC's "World News", occasionally pre-empts two-hours of ABC's prime-time programming for a movie, and doesn't air ABC's "World News Now" live. There was a time when "World News This Morning" (now "America This Morning") did not air until a few years ago, when the program replaced another half-hour of a previously recorded "World News Now". As for syndicated programming, WEAR-TV's recent moves of "The Jerry Springer Show", "The Maury Povich Show", and "Inside Edition" to "sister station" WFGX-TV in Fort Walton Beach, Florida leaves the Mobile side of the broadcast area without those shows. WFGX-TV also airs "The Daily Buzz", which used to air on WBPG-TV (licensed to Gulf Shores, Alabama), a "sister station" to WALA-TV.

That's because the news execs that spoon-feed us all this have decided to re-invent the term "breaking news". While it used to mean new information about an important story, now it means any information, new or old, about an important story. Nonsense. Special reports have always been for both breaking news and for known/scheduled major events. I haven't been that big a fan of Sinclair over the years (as someone in a market with a SBG duopoly), but they've pretty much reined themselves in since the failure of News Central and having to sell a few stations to pay off debt. I don't find any problems with what WEAR is doing at all. Friday night high school football is popular, period. People need to know scores and see highlights. Many stations do this already and WEAR is no different. Nightline still airs in the end, doesn't it? I like Jimmy Kimmel but some station groups like Cox and Allbitron showed caution about him being successful. They finally put him on at the regular time when they renewed their affiliation agreements, saw he worked well and no longer were obligated to air (insert 15 year-old sitcom here) at that time. SBG is probably still under contract with whatever airs at 11:35pm. The whole 'syndicated programs are better financially than Nightline' quandry has been a problem for years, with KMBC in Kansas City probably the worst in that situation. The station still does air WNN in some form at least. I would think if there's a breaking news event they'll move into the live broadcast, but otherwise it's rolling overnight news. Mobile might be better off without Jerry or Maury for now then. Those two shows belong quite fine on a MyNet affiliate, even one which doesn't reach into the main market city; those shows are not major network affiliate shows at this point. SBG might finally be working on bringing WFGX to Mobile when they can launch their DT transmitter, and this just adds some leverage to the schedule. Better this than paid or religious programming that the shows probably replaced Finally, you're complaining about the station interuppting a rerun of a program with a live special report? On most stations, they wouldn't even bother reairing a rerun at all when they pre-empt for local programming. The DTV transition is a priority and the stations need to let viewers know; I'm glad that the DTV Answers programming aired in primetime there. Here in Wisconsin I haven't seen one primetime DTV transition program unless it was on public television; those specials usually go in the Saturday night gutterball between local news and primetime. When ABC last aired "The Ten Commandments", WEAR-TV attempted to air the movie on a onehour delay after their one-hour newscast at 6:00 PM, but instead the station joined the movie in progress as it was being fed by ABC. After the network broadcast ended, WEAR-TV showed the last hour of the movie again on tape. What was the rationale behind that -- join a long epic film in progress, followed by the final hour again? Didn't ABC offer an alternate 7PM CT / 8PM ET feed for this film? (I recall they did.) Nevertheless, whoever did that was a few cards short of a full deck. Back on topic, please: In Canada, CBC's Peter Mansbridge, CTV's Lloyd Robertson, and Global's Kevin Newman will all be anchoring their inauguration coverage from the Canadian Embassy overlooking the Capitol. But in Britain, the only broadcast network who'll have coverage is the BBC; nothing on ITV (what, they couldn't deploy Trevor McDonald to Washington?)!!! And of course, you've got Sky News. As for independent stations like KRON (San Francisco) and KTVK (Phoenix)? They'll also air the inauguration; dunno if they have their reporters in D.C. I think ITV News has lost a lot of news credibility over the years, and they are going through serious cutbacks.

Nobody has any comments about CNN's freeze-fest over the weekend? Smiley What was the rationale behind that -- join a long epic film in progress, followed by the final hour again? Didn't ABC offer an alternate 7PM CT / 8PM ET feed for this film? (I recall they did.) Nevertheless, whoever did that was a few cards short of a full deck. Its so nice WEAR lets the high school media club run the station on the weekends! Getting back off topic again... WEAR didn't clear Jimmy Kimmel Live until a couple years ago, the held out almost as long as WSB. Also, WEAR now delays Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel Live because they have a one hour late news broadcast, which in the end, airing more local news is actually a good reason to delay those shows. This has nothing to do with WEAR being contractually obligated to air another show after the late news, although they were delaying Nightline even before they went to a 1 hour late news, at least as far back as the mid 80's. For the longest time they showed 2 episodes of Cheers before Nightline. I know this topic belongs somewhere else, but I just happen to have WEAR on my TV right now and I'm still half asleep so I couldn't stop myself from posting. Sorry for the interruption. Mobile, Alabama now returns you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. More local news time (at 10:00 PM and 4:00 PM) is not necessarily good in the long term, especially for a station that focuses more on the Florida side of a TV market like Mobile-Pensacola. WALA-TV continues to succeed with a one-hour newscast at 9:00 PM because the station has no network programming at that time, their newscasts report from many parts of the tri-state broadcast area (including northwest Florida and southeast Mississippi) while still serving viewers in southwest Alabama, and to me their newscasts are more informative. Sacrificing convenience, like a good time slot, for more of the same things is not serving your audience, WEAR-TV. Learn from WKRG-TV's past mistake of delaying "The Late Show with David Letterman" and "The Late Late Show with Tom Snyder" for re-runs of "Mama's Family" and "Coach" before they realized such programs limited viewers' time with the station before going to sleep and were not something the network would have approved of, even for the sake of more local advertising revenue. In our area, none of the local stations had reporters in Washington, in the #99 market. They all relied on the network, and surprisingly, only WCSC had their own reporter there, and it wasn't even one of their staff, it was Judy Gatson from sister station WIS, on the "Raycom News Network." WCIV relied on Washington reporters and the network, while all of the stations had extensive local reports. Both 2 and 5 in our area (NBC/CBS) interrupted the network at 5 o'clock, so they could air their local news. It was a big deal because a very rare snow event was occurring in the Charleston area. Overlapping Co-channel DTV stations Several years ago the FCC allowed KCEN in the Waco-Temple-Killeen market to run its digital signal on channel 9 which overlaps with WFAA's digital signal in the southern part of the DFW viewing area. (KFWD will get channel 9 when the transition is complete) I also notice that the FCC has allowed KSWO-DT in Lawton/Wichita Falls to operate on channel 11. It appears this signal will overlap with KTVT in the northwestern part of the DFW area when they move back to channel 11 after the transition. Can someone explain why the FCC would allow such obvious technical nightmares to happen? I would assume there was some protest over this by both KTVT and WFAA. I'm just curious what reason the FCC gave to grant these applications.

Believe it or not, KSWO and KTVT will not overlap. Real life will probably disagree with that statement, but according to the FCC, they're fine. KCEN and WFAA... that's tougher. I don't know how that one got approved. Looking at their application for channel 9 from way back in 2002, apparently they determined the two had less than 2% interference. I'm not sure how, but that's what it says. Amusingly, in the original filing, the FCC worried about interference by KCEN-DT 9 to KTRE analog, but not to WFAA. Your guess is as good as mine. Disasters. And that's only a few of them. - Trip One of the worst was assigning both KTBN and KVMD digital channel 23, then allowing KVMD to move in closer to LA. KTBN is desperately trying to move to channel 33, but nothing involving Mexican coordination ever moves quickly. Another bonehead move was allocating channel 50 to KAJB in the Yuma/El Centro market. An analog channel 50 operates out of San Luis Rio Colorado, Sonora, Mexico, less than 50 miles away. As the Mexican channel was owned by the government of Sonora, it wasn't going anywhere. KAJB requested channel 36 and after 9 years, has finally received permission to build their digital station. Channel 11 has been approved for WLUK Green Bay and WMSN Madison. WLUK is moving back to channel 11, and WMSN was just granted a permit to move to channel 49, however both stations chose channel 11 as their final destination and it was granted. Channel 19 is being used by WMTV Madison and WGN Chicago. I'm not sure how much overlap is involved with the two channels, but there has got to be some. As soon as the digital channel from Lafyette signed on channel 11, WTTW has been unwatchable in analog. Channel 19 is being used by WMTV Madison and WGN Chicago. Channel 19 is also being used by WHOI Peoria (which will cause overlapping in parts of the Chicago and Peoria markets, namely in LaSalle and Livingston counties--the former county in the Chicago market but with the Peoria stations also having a strong presence there for years, and the latter county in the Peoria market--but at one time part of Chicago while their stations are still widely offered on cable in much of that county). In analog TV, the vast majority of VHF stations are using the maximum power for their channel (100kw chs. 2-6, 316kw chs. 7-13). And the FCC requires stations on the same channel be spaced some minimum distance regardless of the power used. KWAB-4 Big Spring has to be at least 190 miles from KDFW-4 Dallas, even though KWAB is only running 13 kilowatts at about 450 feet. Directional antennas can be used to avoid wasting power over unpopulated areas, but you can't use them to short-space an analog TV station closer to another analog station than would otherwise be allowed. They're treating digital differently. They seem to be allowing closer spacing if one or both of the stations involved are running less than maximum power, or if one or both use directional antennas. Looking at 73.622 (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/octqtr/47cfr73.622.htm) it looks like most of the stations cited in this thread fall into these categories:

KSWO & KTVT: KSWO at 138kw/327m seems to be at maximum facilities for DTV channel 11. KTVT, on the other hand, should be able to run as much as roughly 47kw at their antenna height. WLUK & WMSN: WLUK should be allowed roughly 100kw at 384m - their authorized power is 17.2kw. WMSN should be allowed roughly 60kw - their authorized power is 15kw and they have a directional antenna. WMTV, WGN, and WHOI: At 645kw/453m WGN seems to be at maximum allowable power. (they do have a directional antenna though that may be to avoid wasting power over Lake Michigan) WMTV, 155kw/415m, should be able to get roughly 800kw. WHOI, at less than 300m HAAT, should be able to get the full 1000kw - but their authorized power is 195kw. And, they're directional. I can't evaluate the two California stations because their HAATs are so high, they don't appear on the charts in 73.622 and I don't have time to run the numbers through the formula... I'm not going to say any of these are a good idea, but I do see how they got through the Commission. What about WEDN-DT (PBS) channel 9 in Norwich, CT? How far away are they from Manchester, NH? Manchester is home to WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 (analog). WEDN-DT isn't too strong because I'm no more than 40 miles from Norwich. My converter box detects a faint signal, but never a strong enough one to lock in. KCEN and WFAA... that's tougher. I don't know how that one got approved. Looking at their application for channel 9 from way back in 2002, apparently they determined the two had less than 2% interference. That's off by a factor of 10. :-) Seriously, there's a 20 mile swath from the middle of Ellis County to the northern part of McLennan County where the two overlap. I suppose if you live there you can point your antenna to whichever station you want to get, but I suspect many or most of the people there get a confused receiver that decides to give them no picture at all. That's off by a factor of 10. :-) Seriously, there's a 20 mile swath from the middle of Ellis County to the northern part of McLennan County where the two overlap. I suppose if you live there you can point your antenna to whichever station you want to get, but I suspect many or most of the people there get a confused receiver that decides to give them no picture at all. No, seriously, the FCC document says there'll be less than 2% interference. I'd like to know, as well, how they got that number, but somehow they did. - Trip I thought we were loosing the VHF channels with the DTV conversion. Yet if you go to http://dtvallocations.com/ and check channels 7 to 13, there is nearly 60 stations on each of these channels! I've heard and read that after the conversion I'd only need a UHF antenna, but last time I checked channels are still in the VHF frequency! That has never been true, digital was originally supposed to be on channels 7-59 but was later amended to channels 2-51. Upper VHF should be doable with a UHF antenna. - Trip

U.S. Affiliates seen in Canada This may be more appropriate for the Canadian TV board, but not many seem to visit. What U.S. affiliates are seen in Canada? I know in Vancouver most cable systems carry KOMO (ABC-Seattle), KING (NBC-Seattle), KIRO (CBS Seattle), and KCPQ (Fox Seattle), and KSTW (CW Seattle). I also remember driving to Alaska in the late 90's and watching most of the Detroit affiliates in far northern British Columbia. Never understood why Detroit so far west. Perhaps because it is so close to Canada (Windsor), but it seemed odd. From west to east, the US markets that feed "4+1" (CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox + PBS) signals to Canadian systems these days are: Seattle -> western BC Spokane -> eastern BC, parts of AB Detroit -> AB, SK, MB, western ON, Ottawa area Erie PA -> London ON Buffalo -> southern/central ON Watertown NY -> Kingston ON Burlington/Plattsburgh -> QC Boston -> Maritimes provinces Because of the wide satellite footprint they enjoy, the Seattle and Detroit stations serve as "default" US choices for Canadian cable in areas where there's no OTA reception of US signals. For reasons I'm not entirely clear on, WUHF (Fox) here in Rochester is another "default" nationwide choice, with coverage all the way from Newfoundland to the Yukon. There are a handful of other legacy US services seen in Canada - the Rochester stations, once seen via microwave relay in Ottawa and much of eastern Ontario, are still seen on a few systems directly across the lake from Rochester, and I think there's still some limited coverage from Traverse City MI into Sudbury ON, from Bangor into New Brunswick and from Fargo/Grand Forks into southern Manitoba. On the DBS satellites, if I remember right, the choices are Boston and Seattle on ExpressVu, Detroit/Buffalo and Spokane/Seattle on Star Choice. Aren't the the big three Toledo stations also available via satelite to cable systems in both Canada and the US? Also, I know that WNBC/4, WKRN/2 (ABC) and WSEE/35 (CBS) are available to cable systems in the US which can't recieve those networks over the air. I also found a cable system in WV which claims to carry WTAT/24 of Charleston SC as it's FOX affiliate. Is WTAT also carried on satelite? Or is there another US FOX station (WUHF?) available to cable systems via satelite? According to Wikipedia, WPCH-TV Atlanta is widely available on cable in Canada. Since WPCH is the former OTA signal of WTBS in Atlanta, did they formerly get the Atlanta OTA signal in Canada, instead of the nationwide TBS Feed? WTOL has been carried at times in place of/in addition to WWJ-TV as part of the "Detroit" offerings. I don't know of any Canadian systems that have WTVG or WNWO. I don't know about WTAT being on satellite, either (could there be a gaffe in one of the on-line listing services that's mistaking a Charleston SC system for a Charleston WV system?), but I'm

quite certain WUHF isn't available via satellite in the US, except local-into-local within the Rochester market. And I forgot to mention that Canada also recognizes a small number of US "superstations" that are available nationwide as an extra-cost tier on cable and satellite: WPCH (a remnant of the old WTBS days), WSBK, WPIX, WGN and KTLA. That takes care of making CW programming available in Canada. Additionally, a handful of Seattle and Buffalo stations are available on upper cable tiers in southern BC and southern Ontario: KSTW (CW - Tacoma) in BC, WNLO (CW - Buffalo) and WNYO (My Buffalo) in Toronto and vicinity. Aren't there a few places in Canada that gets Denver TV? If not that really is a surprise since it seems there are a lot of places WAY outside of Colorado who do get something out of Denver. Even cruise ships I have heard. If that is the case I would imagine it has to do with both Dish Network and Direct TV being based in Denver and being two of that city's top employers. Spokane -> eastern BC, parts of AB Detroit -> AB, SK, MB, western ON, Ottawa area In the case of Alberta, I would think the Spokane channels are more widely seen these days -Shaw systems in Edmonton, Calgary and Lethbridge have Spokanes on their systems. Because of the wide satellite footprint they enjoy, the Seattle and Detroit stations serve as "default" US choices for Canadian cable in areas where there's no OTA reception of US signals. Though most digital cable viewers in Canada now get the opposite coast's affiliates. Rogers / Cogeco systems in Ontario offer Seattle channels, while Shaw offers Detroits and Rochester to its western Canada subscribers. For reasons I'm not entirely clear on, WUHF (Fox) here in Rochester is another "default" nationwide choice, with coverage all the way from Newfoundland to the Yukon. I read somewhere that WUHF was chosen over WJBK, after CANCOM started offering Fox, as that channel was in no position to offer ad time to Canadian businesses, nor did they offer news (at the time). I also found a cable system in WV which claims to carry WTAT/24 of Charleston SC as it's FOX affiliate. Is WTAT also carried on satelite? I don't know about WTAT being on satellite, either (could there be a gaffe in one of the on-line listing services that's mistaking a Charleston SC system for a Charleston WV system?), Must be an error from whoever that company gets its listings -- that WV system's Fox affiliate should be WVAH from Charleston WV. ...but I'm quite certain WUHF isn't available via satellite in the US, except local-into-local within the Rochester market. I read somewhere that at least one cable system in New York State's North Country offers WUHF from the bird -- in an area where neither WNYF (an LPTV Fox affiliate in Watertown) nor WFFF (Fox in Burlington VT) are easily available. The Canadian cable operators ought to put the top U.S. markets/closest major markets on their systems. I should watch the NYC O&Os in Toronto, Montreal, and Quebec City; Boston and NYC stations in Halifax; Chicago O&Os in Winnipeg and Saskatchewan; Chicago and L.A. O&Os in

Alberta (since there's no suitable market in the Mountain West); and the addition of L.A. O&Os in Vancouver. To what extent, if any, are the Dish Network and Directv local channel feeds used by cable systems in the US which cannot recieve clear OTA signals from the various networks? The WV cable system I mentioned earlier which supposedly carries Fox affiliate WTAT from Charleston SC would not be to recieve WVAH OTA, but they might be able to pick it up via Dish or Direct. I doubt it would be able to pick up WTAT via DBS spotbeam. In that same area of WV, I've noticed that several cable systems carry Fox WFXR/27, Roanoke VA. I'm pretty certain they would not be able to pick up WFXR OTA, and they wouldn't have a fiber or microwave feed so there must be some explanation. Here in SC, I know of a cable system in the Charlotte market that always had terrible reception of WBTV/3, then suddenly presented a clear picture, other than the usual DBS pixilation-I think they now use DBS for WBTV only. The Canadian cable operators ought to put the top U.S. markets/closest major markets on their systems. I should watch the NYC O&Os in Toronto, Montreal, and Quebec City; Boston and NYC stations in Halifax; Chicago O&Os in Winnipeg and Saskatchewan; Chicago and L.A. O&Os in Alberta (since there's no suitable market in the Mountain West); and the addition of L.A. O&Os in Vancouver. By that line of reasoning, you would have Detroit market networks in Toronto and not NYC. Detroit is actually closer. And Buffalo is MUCH closer. The fact is, it doesn't matter that much in most cases. And, where the Canadian market is relatively close to a border city (such as Toronto is to Buffalo), there is some value in offering that market's signals to cable subs. As for Montreal, the Burlington market stations actually promote their coverage into Quebec as English language OTA signals are harder to come by there. And, from the tx locations on Mt. Mansfield, they get into much of southern Quebec quite well. That advantage is probably gone as of February 20, however. WMTW used to do that, but they have been pulled from most Quebec cable systems and (with their new tower location in ME) don't send a decent OTA signal into Quebec anymore. By the way, offering Boston signals throughout the Maritimes is very appropriate. For one thing, the weathercasts are more germane to those viewers and, for another, Boston is a primary gateway into the U.S. from Halifax and St. John's. Geographically, it works. At least Canadians have the option to get U.S. network programming. With the exception of border areas, we have no option to get any Canadian broadcasts. Not even CBC or CBC Newsworld. Sadly, the culture in this country is very myopic and focuses inward. But that's a topic for a different thread! Yes, CBUT (CBC) out of Vancouver is on Comcast in the Seattle area. As for Canadian stations not being carried in general in the U.S., I guess one could argue that Canadian culture is not as influential as is the case with the U.S. Plus, CBC being government controlled may play a part. Then again isn't Canada considered by many as "America-North"? In other words other than politics is there really much of difference between Canada and the US? Heck aren't many of Canada's retail chains controlled by the US like Zellers for example..are they controlled by TARGET an American chain? Canada TV..for YEARS I have been told that American TV does far better there than the home grown programs. I guess the reason why TV from Canada is rare in the US..its more like "..they are almost like us".

According to Wikipedia, WPCH-TV Atlanta is widely available on cable in Canada. Since WPCH is the former OTA signal of WTBS in Atlanta, did they formerly get the Atlanta OTA signal in Canada, instead of the nationwide TBS Feed? Yes... Back when WPCH was WTBS, they got the WTBS feeds of TBS. Now since WTBS is now WPCH, they get the WPCH feed. I do not believe they actually get the TBS feed, because when WPCH would run promos for TBS, they would block them on the WPCH feed for Canada. Then again isn't Canada considered by many as "America-North"? In other words other than politics is there really much of difference between Canada and the US? Heck aren't many of Canada's retail chains controlled by the US like Zellers for example..are they controlled by TARGET an American chain? Canada TV..for YEARS I have been told that American TV does far better there than the home grown programs. I guess the reason why TV from Canada is rare in the US..its more like "..they are almost like us". True about the US influence being huge; however, in a world with hundreds of cable channels wouldn't it be nice to have the opportunity to see some different programming, such as that offered by the CBC? Yet even the BBC has had trouble getting carriage for BBC America and this is one of the only countries on Earth where BBC World is almost non-existent. If not CBC, then how about one of the Canadian news networks? With dozens and dozens of throwaway channels offering infomercials and shopping; plus all of the specialty channels on digital, why nothing from Canada? After all, we're all treated to LOTS of programs from Mexico. Some comes directly from there (Galavision, TV Azteca). while some comes via la Republica de Miami (UNI, TEL, TFT). But that's about as international as it gets for most of us. Go elsewhere in the continent and you'll see the likes of RAI (Italy), TV5 (France), TVE (Spain), BBC World, and CCTV (China) offered on cable alongside many of our channels. WTOL has been carried at times in place of/in addition to WWJ-TV as part of the "Detroit" offerings. I don't know of any Canadian systems that have WTVG or WNWO. WNWO is carried on cable in Wallaceburg, Ontario, in addition to WDIV. Wallaceburg is the only cable system I know of in Canada that carries WNWO, and as such its listings are carried in the London Free Press. WTVG and WTOL are both carried on upper channels in Windsor. There are a couple places along Lake Huron that carry WWOR. WOIO (CBS) Cleveland is carried in St. Thomas and a few other places near Lake Erie. Some areas also receive WKYC, WEWS, and WJW from Cleveland, and a number of areas including London have gotten WUAB for decades. This has meant London is one of the few areas to get a MyNet affiliate on analog basic. A few cable systems in Northern Ontario continue to carry WTOM, WWUP, and WGTQ, particularly along the Thessalon-Echo Bay stretch of Highway 17. WWUP is the most common, and I believe it is still available in Sudbury. Sault Ste. Marie does not receive any of the stations directly across the border on cable though. Even 30 years ago they received WNEM for NBC instead of WTOM. Some of the smaller places in that part of Ontario, oddly enough, receive CITV from Edmonton for their Global station, and do not receive Global Ontario. One system north of Sudbury I know of doesn't even carry a CTV signal!

Out west, WDAZ and Prairie Public Television are widely available in Manitoba. In Alberta and Saskatchewan a few systems close to the U.S. border carry Montana stations. Rogers Digital here carries XEW and XHGC from Mexico City as extras in the third-language package. According to tvguide.ca, I see XEW (under "Estrella", as in "Canal de las Estrellas"), but I don't see any listings for XHGC. They do offer "Azteca", but I don't know if that's XHDF or Azteca America. I agree with you. I often wondered myself why the lack of Canadian TV in the states. Could it be due to Canada's politics? Or perhaps those in charge believe there would not be any interest in the United States to see programming from Canada? Like who in Texas would want to see Canadian Idol when we already have American Idol? Canadian stereotypes? People who assume that the only thing people watch on TV in Canada is hockey, hockey and more hockey? Or even that so called bad rap that Canadian TV often gets? This topic has been discussed on other sites and often (even those who live in Canada ) often bring up the poor quality in their opinions of Canada TV such as "The Trouble With Tracy" for example. Considering the quailty of so much of what is on TV here in America, I doubt Canada would be that much worse. I recall reading something online about how the people in Winnepeg were getting tired of Detroit affiliates 'cause the stations reported on too much crime. Anyone know of any stations like in Montana or North Dakota (etc) that can be recieved over the air? I know Channel 8 in Presque Isle, Maine reaches into New Brunswick. KNRR is the only one that comes to mind. - Trip I often wondered myself why the lack of Canadian TV in the states. Could it be due to Canada's politics? Or perhaps those in charge believe there would not be any interest in the United States to see programming from Canada? Except for CBC, any Canadian channels on U.S. cable systems would probably be blocked by syndex most of the time. They air vast amounts of American programming, to which local stations would have priority rights. CBC programming, however, is mostly Canadian in origin. I'd think about subscribing to cable if I could receive it... Though they do carry Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy, which no doubt would be blacked out on US cable systems. Windsor's CBET already blacks them out and has other programming instead, as they didn't want to make WDIV angry. (On the other hand, CBET shows Martha Stewart's show in the afternoons, even though WJBK shows it in the mornings.) As far as foreign stations being carried in the states, down here in Pensacola, FL, Mediacom cable offers CCTV9 on an expanded digital tier but no other foreign stations... not even a single Spanish language station. There are shops set up all over town selling DirecTV and/or Dish targeting the Latino market. This is kinda strange because a couple of local radio stations carry limited Latino programming, so there must be enough Latinos here to justify Univision and Galavision on digital

cable. I have no idea why they carry CCTV9, I don't see many people with slanted eyes around here. Over in Fort Walton Beach there are a significant number of Koreans and some Vietnamese, but I don't think they have any Chinese people there either. Does CCTV9 pay for cable carriage? As a frequent business traveler to Canada, I can say firsthand that the outlet source of US broadcast programming in Canada varies. In Vancouver, you get Seattle. In Toronto its Buffalo. Elsewhere in Ontario, its often Detroit. However in Ottawa, its Rochester NY, and in London its a mix of Erie, PA and Detroit. Winnipeg? Haven't been there for a few years. For a while, indeed it was Denver. OTA U.S. signals....absolutley. Channel 12 in Pembina, ND functions to some extent as a Winnipeg station. Over in Montreal, same goes for the stations in th Burlington/Plattsburg (sp?) market. Ottawa is all Detroit, NBC is on 9, CBS is on 13 ABC is on 20 FOX is on 36. All are Detroit stations. I don't know where the PBS comes from. I don't watch it. WPCH is on 47 When I was last in Winnipeg back in the 80's all the American tv came from North Dakota Ottawa used to be Rochester - there was a microwave link that went in back in the 60s and remained in place until just a few years ago, when it was taken out of service, at which point the Detroit stations replaced the Rochester ones. PBS came (and I think still comes) from WPBS in Watertown, which gets a substantial amount of its viewership/membership from the Ottawa market. Parts of Manitoba (including Winnipeg) have picked up KARE/11 and WCCO/4 from Minneapolis, along with WDAZ/8 and Prairie Public TV from ND and WUHF/31 Rochester as basic networks. Winnipeg also has KREM/2, KXLY/4, KHQ/6 & KAYU/28 as "Time Shifting US Nets". If you go HD, then you will add KOMO/4, KING/5, KIRO/7 and KCPQ/13 from Seattle and WDIV/4, WXYZ/7 & WWJ/62 Detroit plus WUHF/31 Rochester, for US nets from essentially 4 different markets (eastern US Fox, excluded...). Similar for Star Choice Sat TV: Standard Definition Options: US East: Big 4 from Detroit (WJBK/2, WDIV/4, WXYZ/7, WWJ/62) or Big 3 from Buffalo+Rochester (WGRZ/2, WIVB/4 & WKBW/7 + WUHF/31) US West: Big 4 from Seattle (KOMO/4, KING/5, KIRO/7, KCPQ/13) or Big 4 from Spokane (KREM/2, KXLY/4, KHQ/6 & KAYU/28) For HD you Get 4 from Seattle, plus the same Big 3 from Detroit + Fox Rochester. With the appropriate "selections", you can get 4 markets... Jim Yes it is WPBS! I just never knew it's city of license. I remember back in 96 visiting my parents in Ottawa and saw the Rochester stations on their dial. I don't know what year it changed. Thanks for the clarification. In Ottawa's case, it may be technically WNPI, WPBS's satellite in Norwood. I stand corrected. I get into Ottawa 2-3 times a year, and this shows how much TV I watch. I typically stay in the Byward Market (Marriott Courtyard). Definitely better things to do in the Market

than watch TV! Grin No Canadian TV for the snowbirds in FL? Not unless you have a "gray market" subscription to Bell TV or Star Choice. The only Canadian TV that I know of otherwise is WZRA, a LPTV in Oldsmar (near Tampa), though they only carry news from CTV and Newfoundland's NTV -- most other programming on that channel's Greek (for the Greek-speaking residents in nearby Tarpon Springs). Lafayette IN cable has AZN in a prominent spot presumably for the Japanese management of the Subaru plant I have heard the same thing in reguards to Buffalo TV being seen in Toronto. I have also heard the story many years ago about how some viewers in Toronto actually got a "kick" watching Irv Weinstein "topping" WKBW's Eyewitness News about some Buffalo fire, as if it was some comedy show, not an actual newscast. I don't get that. I recall reading something online about how the people in Winnepeg were getting tired of Detroit affiliates 'cause the stations reported on too much crime. That scenario played out not only in Winnipeg, but also in a few towns in the Maritimes. There was a big article on the topic of the controversy of Detroit stations on cable in Broadcaster Magazine back in the mid-1980s. One person interviewed, I think he was from New Brunswick, said that he outright won't let his kids watch WJBK. Others complained about getting WTVS instead of MPBN, which was much closer to the region. Winnipeg was pretty high profile though, as some believed an increase in the violent crime rate there in the 1980s was caused by Detroit stations on cable! It is very unfortunate that the Detroit affiliates are what represents the USA to much of Canada. First off, Detroit is the most depressed and one of the most crime-ridden places in the country. The level of violence and urban poverty in Detroit is unmatched by any other big city in North America. As a result, the local newscasts are full of appalling things. Lord knows how many Canadians think that what goes on wholesale in Detroit is typical of every American city. It's not. Sure, most of our big cities have pockets of poverty and desperation - but Detroit is a postapocalyptic city. As our cities go, only New Orleans comes as close to being a part of the third world. Secondly, only 2 of Detroit's big 3 affiliates are decent stations. WWJ is a joke. Last time I checked, they didn't even offer local news. When I last watched them (2 years ago) they were an amateurish operation that looked more like a station serving a city of 50,000. Pretty much any other top 20 market CBS affiliate would be better to offer Canadian viewers. Boston, Buffalo, New York or Chicago stations would all be better to uplink to Canadian cable providers than Detroit. Certainly more representative of what is "normal." I remember when WXYZ was added to the cable dial in Calgary. It was around 89 or 90, and NBC was king on Thursday nights, with Cheers, the Cosby show, etc. It was offered as a way to see all those shows 3 hours earlier, since we had to wait until 10 pm to get in on the Spokane channels. It wasn't free though, we had to subscribe to it, while Spokane was just basic cable. Some places which otherwise carry Detroit stations have opted to carry a different CBS affiliate. Some places in Southern Ontario carry WIVB instead, and Sudbury carries WWUP instead. Further east WBZ may be found among Detroit stations. As for WWJ, it continues to have no local news operation, but they added live weather updates in January 2008. How do the cable companies handle first run US shows that air on Canadian networks

simultaneously? Are the US feeds blacked out? Mimo? Did you mean WDIV-TV channel 4 for Detroit? WXYZ-TV channel 7 of Detroit has always been an ABC affiliate, as far as I know. Yes, you're right, call letter mix up there. It was WDIV. Sorry. The rest of the story is right. As for the simulcast of shows on both U.S. and Canadian stations, the cable company replaces the U.S. channel feed with the local Canadian channel, so you get the same commercials and programming on both stations. Even the station ID is the Canadian Channel. Fox becomes Global on Sunday nights, for example, and CBS becomes CTV. Sometimes (when tuned to the U.S channel) you'll get the begining of a show, only to get it replaced by the end of a commercial and you have to see the whole 1 or 2 minutes you just saw all over again. Let's just say the cut-in/replacement of the U.S. channel isn't all that smo0th. How do the cable companies handle first run US shows that air on Canadian networks simultaneously? Are the US feeds blacked out? We have what is called "simultaneous substitution", or sim-subbing for short. I just watched Law & Order SVU on the cable channel normally occupied by WDIV (NBC), but for the hour that show was on, CKCO (CTV) was fed to that channel as CTV airs L&O SVU at the same time as NBC. So it's not quite a blackout, as you still get the same show on the channel the show is supposed to be on, but you get the Canadian version instead. And in some cases, they make their viewers wait until it does come on the American channel -- last Super Bowl, CTV had rights to the game, while Global had rights to show that followed. At 10PM, instead of going to the program, Global (in eastern Canada) showed a special edition of "Global National" (their national newscast). When the American network began their show, anchor Kevin Newman left a news story in mid-story and told viewers that they'll now go to their program. All that, just so they can simsub. As far as Denver goes, KWGN is the only station from Denver licensed by the CRTC for carriage on cable or satellite in Canada. I am not aware of any cable system in Canada that actually carries KWGN. Nowadays, there would be no point. Update from my being in Vancouver last night/this morning.... All Seattle for broadcast TV in the hotel....except WPCH (for no apparent reason). Back ages ago I used to watch the Toronto area stations when we lived in Buffalo. From the southern burbs you could get a decent picture on CHCH-11, CFTO-9 and CBLT-5 (CBLT was a bit fuzzier than the rest). We didn't get any of the Rochester stations but once in awhile picked up WICU-12 in Erie, PA. The nice thing about the canadian station in those days was, the carried many US show but on different nights. That way if you missed your favorite show you had a chance of catching it on Canadian TV. Plus it was fun watching TV from another country! As luck would have it, I'm headed to Calgary and Edmonton this weekend and can check out the TV offerings while there. The last time I was in Edmonton, I recall that the cable system offered Spokane network affiliates. As Spokane is in the Pacific time zone, prime time started at 9 pm in Alberta and ran until midnight. Not very convenient. I do not recall seeing Detroit affiliates offered there at the time; however, it's possible that the hotel's cable didn't include them. It did include goodies such as KTLA and WPIX though.

That was back in 2000 and things may well have changed since then. As luck would have it, I'm headed to Calgary and Edmonton this weekend and can check out the TV offerings while there. The last time I was in Edmonton, I recall that the cable system offered Spokane network affiliates. As Spokane is in the Pacific time zone, prime time started at 9 pm in Alberta and ran until midnight. Not very convenient. I do not recall seeing Detroit affiliates offered there at the time; however, it's possible that the hotel's cable didn't include them. It did include goodies such as KTLA and WPIX though. That was back in 2000 and things may well have changed since then. Pretty much all the major cable systems across Canada carry WPCH. There was controversy when TBS became Peachtree TV because many were unaware TBS had a national feed and a local Atlanta feed (WTBS), and they thought TBS was entirely shut down. I think even some of us on the board who live or have lived in the U.S. didn't know there was a different feed for Atlanta and the rest of the world. I always thought it was a former UHF channel that became a national cable channel. I didn't know if they still had a local Atlanta service or not. When the change happened here, I couldn't understand why they went from being TBS to Peachtree. Besides Georgia being the Peach state, (and not noticing the call letter change) it made no sense to me. I've heard there's still some negotiations going on to bring TBS back to Canada, but haven't heard any updates. Back before they were CW, UPN, CBS (for a short time) KSTW 11 in Tacoma, Washington was a true Indy for many years. They were seen throughout Western Canada. A friend of mine did news there (they had a popular 10pm local newscast when no one else was doing 10pm news in Seattle) and he took a trip into BC. He quickly found he was a star in Western Canada! Now I understand why weathercasters in Seattle were always giving temps from interior B.C. when I was growing up! I remember former KOMO-TV weatherman Ray Ramsey especially liked to tell viewers what the temp was in Williams Lake. When I was a kid I could never figure that out! Well, back from Alberta and I can tell you that analog cable in both Calgary and Edmonton carry all 5 Spokane affiliates. Also, WPIX and WSBK (in Calgary) were offered. Digital cable obviously carries a lot more, but none of the hotels offer that. It was interesting to watch the Spokane affiliates cover the onslaught of heavy snow and winter weather there. Even the temperatures were below zero (Fahrenheit)! The big 3 affiliates there all had extended newscasts and seemed to do a great job - particularly when you consider Spokane's market size. Also interesting were the local newscasts, which highlighted the extreme cold and snow that was gripping Alberta as well. The local newscasts in Calgary and Edmonton are okay, but not nearly as good (relatively speaking) as the national newscasts from CBC and CTV. One thing I didn't know was that Calgary apparently can't deal with 6"-10" of snow! Several days with horrible roads and a disaster of an airport caused by an initial 6" dump, plus about 1" per day over the next 3 days. It was like Armageddon up there!! Drove by dozens of cars that spun out along the main highway. You would think that Calgarians would be able to deal with snow on the roads, but no. Little plowing and sanding and relatively poor winter driving skills were on display. That was a shocker. So, the newscasts were most interesting indeed last week. Snow in Chicago was a piece of cake by comparison. Where's "global warming" when you need it? Cheesy Roll Eyes Cheesy

I spent 8 years of my life in Calgary, and never again will I live there. The city has never plowed their roads. Heavy snowfall is a rarity there, usually Calgarians deal with snow one hour, 50 degree temperatures the next. I remember one day back in 1989 when the temperature jumped from -40 to 50 degrees in 2 hours. Cold snaps are very common, but so are mid-winter thaws. The last time I stepped fo0t in the city was exactly 2 years ago, and my parents had all 5 Spokane networks at that time to0. I don't see Calgary ever losing Spokane on it's dial, it's to0 ingrained on the public. Most channels are still on the same dial positions they were back in 1979. Most network affiliates on a single cable system I was just thinking of something that could be important when the DTV transition ends on Feburary 17. Today in South Carolina, CBS had a double-header of games at 1 and 4:15. WCSC (CBS) in Charleston aired the Broncos-Falcons, and then the Titans-Jaguars (local game, Jaguars less than 5 hours away). Strangely, the CBS in Columbia, WLTX, had the Falcons, but after, at 4:15, they aired the Chargers-Steelers game, a completely different game for their audience. If you get multiple network affiliates, you could get extra NFL games that are not available in the main city of the market. Around Charleston, there are many cases of network duplication on local cable systems. In Bluffton (the fast-growing town next to Hilton Head Island), both WCIV and WCSC (ABC and CBS) are available, but strangely, WCBD is not. This helped when WJCL (the Savannah ABC) got knocked off the air for several days a year or two ago during the NBA finals, and Hargray viewers could hang back and watch WCIV, instead of missing out. In Georgetown and Williamsburg counties (part of Charleston's market) the Myrtle Beach channels are available, and in most of Orangeburg County, you can get all of Columbia and Charleston's stations (and until the late 80s, Augusta's) on cable. Off topic of this discussion, but Radio-Info is almost to its 100,000 topic since it relaunched in June of 2005. What examples are there of more than one network affiliate on cable in your market? In London, Ontario, we get both WJET Erie and WXYZ Detroit for ABC, and WICU Erie and WDIV Detroit for NBC. We get one each of FOX and CBS, both from Detroit, and PBS is from Erie. Having two NBC and ABC affiliates each is very useful when one of each is from Detroit, as WDIV and WXYZ are notorius for pre-emptions for Detroit Auto Show coverage, Matlock reruns, severe weather preparedness specials, and most pathetically, a full half hour preview of the new fall schedule on WDIV in 2007. When the Detroit affiliates are not pre-empting they are preferable to the Erie ones as the picture quality is much better, as they are beamed in by satellite, while the Erie stations are picked up over-the-air and transmitted by microwave to London. Prior to 1994, we also got two CBS affiliates, again Detroit and Erie (WJBK and WSEE, respectively). WJBK switched to FOX and after a year of receiving that as our only FOX station, we were switched to WUTV Buffalo for a few years before going back to WJBK in 2003. But since we're talking about most affiliates...some places in Southwestern Ontario got as many as three sets of U.S. network affiliates at one time. I believe Leamington used to get all the Big 3 affiliates from Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit back in the 70s and 80s, plus at least WUAB. Also prior to 1974 London got three NBC affiliates, including the two above plus WKYC from Cleveland.

Some Canadian markets have long received two CTV affiliates on cable, and in Belleville, Ontario there are three CBC affiliates. An hour west of Springfield, IL, the Cass Communications, Inc. cable lineup for the cities of Rushville, Mt. Sterling and Versailles (which is part of the Quincy/Hannibal market) includes 3 NBC affiliates: the home market's WGEM-10 (Quincy), WEEK-25 (Peoria), AND WAND-17 (Decatur-about 100 miles away from Rushville), the latter station added to the Rushville lineup around late 2002 when WAND was still an ABC affiliate [which Quincy lacks other than those areas receiving KTVO from Kirksville, and KHQA-7's (CBS) digital ABC subchannel]. (WHOI-19, the ABC affiliate for Peoria, has always been on Rushville's cable lineup). Interestingly, WICS-20 (Springfield), which swapped affiliations with WAND on Labor Day 2005 and became that market's ABC affiliate, is only offered on digital cable (HD lineup) in Rushville (and IIRC has never been offered on analog to my knowledge even back when channel 20 was an NBC affiliate, despite Springfield Fox affiliate WRSP-55 always having been carried on Rushville's cable). http://www.casscomm.com/cable/rushville.html The Cass Communications lineup for Cass County and surrounding outlying areas (including the Sangamon County, IL town of Pleasant Plains 17 miles west of Springfield) offers 3 CBS affiliates: WCIA-3 (Champaign), KHQA-7 (Hannibal/Quincy), and WMBD-31 (Peoria). (BTW, Cass County has traditionally been part of the Quincy market, but some maps I have seen do have that county listed as part of Springfield/Decatur/Champaign, particularly with Springfield stations heavily watched in that county). http://www.casscomm.com/cable/virginia.html The most network affiliates (not counting PBS) I have known to have ever existed on a single cable system has been at least 3 each of ABC, NBC, and CBS around the 1970s on the Macomb, IL cable system (the county seat of McDonough County and home of Western Illinois University), with an explanation as follows: --From the time of introduction of cable around 1965 in Macomb to the early '90s, their cable traditionally had all of the Peoria "Big 3" affiliates, those from the Quad Cities (WHBF-4 Rock Island, CBS; WOC/KWQC-6 Davenport, NBC; WQAD-8 Moline, ABC), and the Quincy stations (KHQA and WGEM--Macomb is part of the Quincy market). --When cable first came to Macomb until at least sometime in the '70s, KTVO-3 Kirksville, MO (which was originally CBS primary until becoming ABC by 1970) was originally offered (I don't know if KTVO was reinstated on Macomb's cable during the brief period in 1987-88 when KTVO would have broadcast on their ill-fated 2000-ft. tower and targeted the Quincy market--which would have likely given channel 3 a fair signal at best in the Macomb area). --I'm not sure if the equally ill-fated WJJY-14 (ABC from Jacksonville, IL from 1969-71 before going dark) ever made it onto Macomb's cable during its short life (for perhaps a 4th ABC at one time). --I recall also seeing an item hinting that the forementioned WICS-20 in Springfield (back during its NBC days) might have been offered in Macomb at some time (perhaps sometime in the 70s and 80s), possibly resulting in a fourth NBC affiliate offered on that system if that is true). Now, Macomb's cable (run by Comcast) only offers Quincy network affiliates (CBS, NBC, religious WTJR-16), ABC and Fox from the Quad Cities (WQAD-8 and KLJB-18 Davenport, respectively), and PBS from Iowa Public Television and WMEC-22 (the Macomb translator for the "Network Knowledge" system of three west central Illinois PBS stations based out of Chatham, IL, outside Springfield). Not a single Peoria affiliate has been carried on the system in the last 15 years (not even WAOE-59, the nearest My affiliate to Macomb, which has been relayed to cable systems in parts of western Illinois--leaving Macomb without a My Network TV station on cable).

COMCAST in Vermont: 3 ABC - WCVB/Boston, WMUR/Manchester, and WCDC/Adams (relays WTEN/Albany) 2 NBC - WHDH/Boston and WNNE/White River Junction (relays WPTZ/Burlington) 2 CBS - WBZ/Boston and WCAX/Burlington 3 PBS - WGBY/Springfield, VT Public Television, and NH Public Televison They only have 1 FOX - WFXT/Boston, 1 Telemundo WNEU/Manchester, 1 CW WLVI/Boston, and 1 MNT WZMY/Derry. No Univision. There's also WSBK/Boston - Independent and WYDN/Worcester - Daystar. That system also includes some towns in the southwestern corner of New Hampshire (including Hinsdale), making it quite remarkable that folks as far east as the Granite State are offered Albany market TV. I believe that there are some cable systems in the Lakes Region of NH (Laconia, Wolfeboro, etc.) that carry all of the Boston and Portland affiliates - plus WMUR Manchester (ABC) and WUNH Durham (PBS). That would mean that they too have 3 ABCs and 3 PBS affiliates. Willimantic, CT's cable system once carried network affiliates from Hartford/New Haven, Springfield, Boston and Providence - meaning that there were FOUR NBC and ABC affiliates offered and three CBS affiliates. That was back in the mid 1980s. They've cut back significantly since that time and only offer 2 of each now (mainly Hartford/NH and Boston). New England is an easy one for multiples thanks to the close spacing between markets...... Assuming you mean Brattleboro in Windham County (southeastern VT), that's one hell of a lineup for a town of maybe 9,000! Smiley Sure am, Kevin. I wonder if WCDC/19 from Adams is considered "Must Carry" because I can't see people in Brattlboro caring about what's going on in Albany since WCDC is a 100% simulcast of WTEN/Albany. For those not in the area Adams, MA is a few exits down 91 from Brattleboro. WCSC probably had the Jaguars game BECAUSE Jacksonville is less than five hours away, and CBS probably took that into consideration when it divided up the country for the second game (while Charleston doesn't get Jaguars pre-season games, Savannah does); I suspect Greenville/Spartanburg and Florence also got Pittsburgh-San Diego. Monroeville, AL and the surrounding area is serviced by Mediacom. We get the Big Four affiliates from both the Mobile & Montgomery TV markets. CBS, NBC, ABC, & Fox Mobile: WKRG 5, WPMI 15, WEAR 3 (licensed to Pensacola, FL), and WALA 10 Montgomery: WAKA 8 (licensed to Selma), WSFA 12, WNCF 32, and WCOV 20 Much like the OP described, viewers in between two markets can often catch more than two NFL games at a time. Just this past Sunday on the CBS's: WAKA 8 chose to show Denver at Atlanta (Montgomery being a secondary market for the Falcons). WKRG 5 showed Oakland at Miami (Raiders & former LSU QB Jamarcus Russell is a Mobile native.) For the late game, both 5 & 8 had Tennessee at Jacksonville. Given CBS's AFC package, 8 usually clears Titans games. For the Fox's, WALA 10 chose New Orleans at Kansas City (Mobile is a secondary market for the Saints). WCOV 20 chose Minnesota at Tampa Bay. With Fox's NFC package, WCOV usually takes

the Atlanta game. So at 12 noon to around 3ish in the afternoon, I had three games to flip back and forth from: Denver at Atlanta, Oakland at Miami, and New Orleans at Kansas City, all on basic analog cable. It doesn't always work that way, but it's sure nice when it does. I've seen plenty of cable systems over the years with 3 affiliates of the Big 4 and PBS. The distant stations tend to be a throwback to the days when people didn't watch any UHF channels and would watch a VHF network affiliate 100 miles away before they would tune in a UHF 20 miles away. Your going to have to name a system with 4 affiliates of the same network to impress anyone. Also, I've never seen more than 1 CW, UPN, WB, or MyNet affiliate on a cable system, but I have seen 2 UPNs on a hotel system before. The old Storer Cable system in Bainbridge, GA carried 2 CBS, 2 PBS, 3 NBC, and 4 ABC affilates: WTXL, WMBB, WDHN, and WTVM. Now that the system is owned by Mediacom they have dropped WDHN and WTVM but added WSB, so they still carry 3 ABCs. Can anyone name a cable system that carries two stations that simulcast each other? If you subscribe to digital basic cable in London, Ontario you get two MNT affiliates - WUAB Cleveland and WNYO Buffalo. You only get WUAB with analog basic though. Last I knew the Celina OH system carried the big 3 from Dayton Ft Wayne Toledo and Columbus, Fox from Dayton and Ft Wayne, another NBC from Lima and possibly a third Fox No more - the Time Warner system there now has the big 4 from Fort Wayne, NBC from Lima, PBS from Bowling Green and the full Dayton lineup (including WBDT for CW and WRGT-45.2 for My). No Toledo or Columbus anymore. In the early 1970's Warner Cable of Canton, Ohio (Long before Time-Warner) Carried 3 Network Affiliates from Cleveland-3/5/8 3 from Youngstown-21/27/33 NBC and CBS from Wheeling/Steubenville (both secondary ABC)-7/9 ABC from Akron-49 Total: 3 NBC 3 ABC-2 secondary ABC besides 3 CBS Believe it or not, I think Comcast in Bristol County, MA carries two CW affiliates: WLVI-56 Boston and WLWC-28 Providence. I don't think they have a MyNetworkTV affiliate at all, since it's in the Providence/New Bedford DMA, but they carry 2 of all the other major networks (both Boston and Providence), as well as 3 PBS stations (2 from Boston and 1 from Providence). Cable systems in central NJ carry most of the NYC and Philly channels. Not bad having market #1 and #5 on the same cable system. Mercer County gets all NY and all Philly, but only Philly HD since its Philly DMA. Comcast in Ocean County has moved KYW 3 and WCAU 10 to digital only and carries all NY and NY HD. In Carbon County, PA which is the Poconos area they get Scranton, and a mix of New York and Philadelphia, with all 3 Fox affiliates. In Allentown, Service Electric carries ABC from Philly & Scranton, NBC from Philly and NY, and Fox

from Philly and NY, WPIX, WWOR, only 1 CBS (KYW) though, the other Philly stations as its within DMA, but they do carry HD feeds of the out of market New York stations as well. As far as getting 3 of one network (excluding PBS), its harder to find though. Along w/ Carbon County getting 3 Fox stations, Comcast in Frederick, MD carries 3 NBC stations: WRC 4, WBAL 11 and WHAG 25. is possible to get WGAL 8 also. They might as well throw it in the lineup as well. Correction to the above post: Comcast Princeton carries WCBS-DT, WNBC-DT, WNYW-DT and WABC-DT and not KYW-DT, WPVI-DT, WCAU-DT, WTXF-DT, even though they are in Philly DMA and must-carry all the crappy UHF stations from within the Philadelphia market. Probably has to do with Comcast Princeton being formerly a Patriot Media which serviced more of Somerset County. Comcast Trenton carries both New York and Philly HD, except WABCDT and WWORDT, and has surprisingly moved some New York stations off the analog (with exception of WABC), and WWOR isn't even listed on the lineup at all. Very unusual but I suppose WPHL didn't want WWOR for MyNetwork TV exclusivity purposes but its unusual to drop a New York VHF in Central NJ, considering that WWOR (and WPIX) news at 10 is still unique in that regards over sorta newslessWPSG and outsourced news from Ch10 for WPHL. Also, WWOR is supposed to be NJ based, and a lot of Trenton folk commute to New York/Northern NJ via NJ Transit NEC line. Troy, Ala. for many years had network stations from three markets on its cable -- Montgomery (local DMA), Dothan and Columbus (Ga.). In the '70s and well into the '80s, Troy's cable had three each of CBS and ABC, and two NBCs (Dothan, then and now, doesn't have an NBC). I believe Walterboro, S.C. in the present day still has three of each, from Charleston, Columbia and Savannah. I can see from a sports standpoint how multiple nets are a good thing, and I always liked having the 'extra' stations back when I lived in Troy due to occasional preemptions (i.e., WSFA-12 in Montgomery - NBC - has always aired the Billy Graham specials, so having WLTZ-38 in Columbus was handy), or when a station went off the air ... which happened to Montgomery's ABC affil during the Beatles "Anthology" TV special. I was recording it, so I had to quickly (!) stop the recording, then switch to the Columbus, Ga. ABC station (WTVM-9) and resume taping. --Russell Troy would be a good candidate. I've never seen any cable in the area, but my grandparents lived about 20 miles south out in BFE. While at the house we would watch NBC from Montgomery, CBS from Dothan (CBS from Selma was off the air for years due to fire), and ABC from Columbus (it didn't matter that ABC WDHN 18 was about 20 miles away, it was on UHF). Fox was on UHF, so it was never watched... except by me late at night. We also happened to be in one of the few areas in Alabama that couldn't get a good signal from APT, so no PBS. How common is it for a cable system to carry no out of market stations? In Pensacola, FL we get all the locals (one each of every english network except ION, which never set up shop here) but we don't get APT on Florida cable systems (it is on Dish and OTA) and the Florida PBS station is carried on Alabama cable systems. It sure would be nice to get APT to get a choice of PBS stations. Wonder why they don't ask for must carry in Florida? Can anyone name a cable system that carries two stations that simulcast each other? ...Comcast Pima County/Tucson. KUAT/6 and KUAS/27 are both licensed to Tucson but simulcast

I think OTA

the same schedule; KUAT's transmitter is on Mount Bigelow, and its signal is blocked in the northwestern part of Tucson by Mount Lemmon, thus KUAS was placed on Tumamoc Hill to cover that gap. KUAT appears on the Comcast analog lineup and KUAS appears on the digital lineup... How common is it for a cable system to carry no out of market stations? In Pensacola, FL we get all the locals (one each of every english network except ION, which never set up shop here) but we don't get APT on Florida cable systems (it is on Dish and OTA) and the Florida PBS station is carried on Alabama cable systems. It sure would be nice to get APT to get a choice of PBS stations. Wonder why they don't ask for must carry in Florida? It's VERY common for a cable system to carry no out of market stations. In fact, it even happens in areas where out of market stations are easily received via antenna. Suffolk County Long Island comes to mind, where Connecticut stations actually come in much better over the air than New York stations, but the county is in the NY DMA and only NY market stations are offered on cable. Nothing from the Hartford/New Haven market is included - not even WTNH-8 (ABC), which would be the strongest OTA signal in many areas along the north shore. As for a PBS station invoking must carry, it won't happen because must carry doesn't apply to PBS stations. There's a loophole in the cable regs as they pertain to PBS signals. On the one hand, they're not subject to non-duplicity; on the other, they are not covered by must-carry unless they were carried prior to a certain date (which I can't recall), in which case they may not be dropped. I found all this out because Boston's WGBX-44 wasn't carried by certain cable providers in Hillsborough County, NH (in the Boston DMA). Since we got all of the crap shopping and religious stations from the market (who invoked must carry), why not WGBX? Well, I asked Adelphia (the provider at the time) and that was the answer - WGBX didn't have must carry status on that system. It was not carried by Adelphia prior to the magic date, so it is not a must carry signal. I guess they thought that a third PBS (WGBH and WENH are the others) wasn't needed. Ironically, the Comcast system for the areas surrounding Nashua (where I lived) were upgraded from their former Adelphia service and WGBX was added. But, they didn't have to add it - they only did so because of numerous viewer requests. And, it could still (theoretically) be dropped. So, the moral of the story is that APB doesn't have the legal standing to invoke must carry. They can ask the cable provider in Pensacola politely, and so can you. That's about as much as can be done. That can work, as shown by my example above. As for a PBS station invoking must carry, it won't happen because must carry doesn't apply to PBS stations. There's a loophole in the cable regs as they pertain to PBS signals. On the one hand, they're not subject to non-duplicity; on the other, they are not covered by must-carry unless they were carried prior to a certain date (which I can't recall), in which case they may not be dropped. I found all this out because Boston's WGBX-44 wasn't carried by certain cable providers in Hillsborough County, NH (in the Boston DMA). Since we got all of the crap shopping and religious stations from the market (who invoked must carry), why not WGBX? Well, I asked Adelphia (the provider at the time) and that was the answer - WGBX didn't have must carry status on that system. It was not carried by Adelphia prior to the magic date, so it is not a must carry signal. I guess they thought that a third PBS (WGBH and WENH are the others) wasn't needed. Ironically, the Comcast system for the areas surrounding Nashua (where I lived) were upgraded from their former Adelphia service and WGBX was added. But, they didn't have to add it - they only did so because of numerous viewer requests. And, it could still (theoretically) be dropped. That's actually very interesting info, because I've noticed that even in the Boston area, the PBS stations that cable systems carry are kind of spotty. Most of the Boston area gets the 3 mentioned

above, and some areas get WSBE from Providence. Pretty much everywhere north of Boston gets WENH, and a lot of areas south of Boston get WSBE. I believe WSBE is available in all of Bristol, Plymouth, and Barnstable counties, as well as the 2 islands. However, I remember back in the 90s, I believe WSBE was only available on certain parts of Cape Cod, excluding the outer cape. Believe it or not, I think there is a small area (Quincy, Randolph, Weymouth)...that does not receive WENH or WSBE, which is very unusual in the Boston area. There are also selected towns that receive all four, but very few. I actually live in Natick, which is one of them. I believe this is because it goes back to the 80s when Natick had its own cable system. Then in the mid-90s when we switched to fiber-optics, we switched over to the Newton/Needham area system. I don't think WSBE was ever offered on that system, but it was offered in Natick. And so, to this day, we still receive WSBE on channel 22, which I think is not used in all other towns on this system. This is only on Comcast, and not on the other options in the area. I know that Charter Communications in the Worcester area carries WJAR on most of its systems, but does not carry either WENH or WSBE. However, I think WSBE is solely available in the town of Auburn, on channel 15. I wonder if they had a similar situation to Natick. Does anyone know if Auburn's cable system originally evolved from something else? And strangely enough, Shrewsbury's town-owned cable system used to have all 4, but WENH was dropped when WYDN qualified for must-carry. I found it very odd that a cable system would drop a PBS. It would have made more sense to drop WPRI, since I think by that time, Shrewsbury was the only system in Central MA to still have WPRI. I remember talking to someone at Shrewsbury Cable, and he explained that WJAR, WPRI and WSBE were within a certain radius, so they had to be carried. I also remember him saying their original plan was to drop WSBE and keep WENH, which may have made more sense, since WENH is in the Boston market, while WSBE is not. So, I wonder if FCC regulations used to be different back in the day. Now actually, Walterboro only has the Charleston stations on cable, plus WIS from Columbia. All 3 markets are available OTA. Until the mid 90s, they had all three markets on cable. Strangely, they have two PBS/ETV stations, WITV and WJWJ, which mostly simulcast each other except for maybe a local newscast and a couple specialty shows on WJWJ. No other Savannah stations are on the system. Emporia, VA carries all the Hampton Roads (except for Fox) and Richmond stations on their cable system, plus a station from Roanoke Rapids, NC. Until this August, Pawleys Island (where the hammocks are made, about 20 miles S of Myrtle Beach) had three NBC affiliates on their cable (WIS, WECT, and WCBD), but WIS was dropped after WMBF signed on the air. Strangely, WECT wasn't dropped. They still have two of every network there, except for CW/My. Most towns in SC outside of the Charleston/Greenville/Myrtle Beach areas carry WIS, and Charlotte stations are carried in a wide part of the state, including WCNC/WMYT in Hartsville. If I recall correctly, in Montgomery, AL around 1978-1980, from their local TV guide called "Tee Vee Times", which listed Montgomery, Prattville and Wetumpka's cable lineups, Prattville and Wetumpka had multiple network affiliates: Prattville had 3 ABCs (6 from B'ham, 32 from Montgomery, and 9 from Columbus), 3 CBSs (3 from Columbus, 8 from Selma and 20 from Montgomery) and 2 NBCs (12 from Montgomery and 13 from B'ham). Wetumpka had 3 CBS (same as above) 2 ABC (9 and 32) and 2 NBC (12 and 13). Of course, 6 in Birmingham and 20 in Montgomery are now Fox, and 8 in Selma is now Montgomery's CBS. For some reason, Storer Cable in Montgomery didn't carry any out of market stations, but I do recall that they carried 6 from Birmingham on the PBS channel from about Midnight to 6:00 AM since 6 was one of the few, if not the only, station in Alabama that was on 24/7.

I knew WIS was dropped from the Myrtle Beach cable when WMBF came on, but I didn't know WECT was still on. It should be; it's been the de facto NBC affiliate there since 1954. In Athens, GA, in the '70s we had nine network affiliates: ABC WJBF/6 Augusta WXIA/11 Atlanta (now NBC) WLOS/13 Asheville, NC CBS WAGA/5 Atlanta (now Fox) WSPA/7 Spartanburg, SC WRDW/12 Augusta PBS WGTV/8 Athens NBC WSB/2 Atlanta (now ABC) WFBC (now WYFF)/4 Greenville, SC Must-carry does apply to PBS stations, but for Non Commercial Stations (NCE)s, the cable company can reject a 4th PBS station if its considered duplicative to an existing station on the lineup. Most often PBS member stations know their coverage area and might have a gentlemen's agreement not to pursue new territory, since they operate based on viewer memberships (and they don't want to dilute that), so they rarely do, unlike commercial stations that try to maximize coverage area as far as the DMA boundaries and signal reaches go. In Philadelphia, that was the case with WHYY and WLVT. on the cable lineups in the Lehigh Valley. WLVT was the exclusive PBS station

In the 90's, it was like this: WHYY 12: SE PA, So. NJ/Mercer, and Delaware (Philadelphia DMA minus the Lehigh Valley), plus Ocean Co. WLVT 39: exclusive in Lehigh Valley (i.e. No other PBS stations carried), SE PA, Poconos region between Allentown and Scranton. Then around 2000, DirecTV and Dish Net. carried WHYY and offered it throughout Philadelphia market. DirecTV later added WLVT and offered it throughout Philadelphia market, carrying both WHYY and WLVT. In 2007, WHYY was added to Service Electric and RCN in Lehigh Valley, though WLVT is on CH.12, and WHYY is on Ch.21. Other PBS stations from nearby: NJN - runs a different schedule to avoid duplication between WNET 13 and WHYY 12: pretty much on cable where an NJN signal reaches, minus the Lehigh Valley, and on DirecTV and Dish Network in NY and Philadelphia market. WNET (from the NY market) - on cable in Mercer County, NJ, along with WHYY, NJN. WITF (from the Harrisburg market) - on cable in Berks County, PA along with WHYY, WLVT. One boneheaded thing done by DirecTV is they refuse to offer Connecticut Public Television in Fairfield County, CT, even though they already uplink it for the Hartford locals, as DirecTV counts that they already include 3 PBS stations for the New York market, that being WNET WLIW, and independent NCE WNYE. NJN carried for Philadelphia - and NY. They don't view it locally. Same

applies for Dish Net. For CPTV, that's a loss of 25% of its CT base. I noticed that certain parts of eastern PA (especially Lehigh Valley) have like two or three different cable providers as options. And I think each of them have a slightly different selection of locals that they offer. I know there's Service Electric, RCN, and Comcast. You would think the one that offers the most is the one that has always been there since the 70s or 80s. So, does anyone know what the original cable provider for Lehigh Valley was? According to tvguide.com, the cable TV system in Broken Bow, Oklahoma (74728 zip code) carries: 3 ABC (KTBS/KHBS/WFAA) 2 CBS (KWTV/KSLA) 2 NBC (KFOR/KTEN) 3 FOX (KOKH/KMSS/KDFW) 2 CW (KOCB/WPIX) 1 MY Network (KAUT) Kind of interesting, Broken Bow is in far Southeastern Oklahoma, but manages to carry every Oklahoma City and a few Dallas network affiliates. However, it is in the Shreveport market, I believe. Hmmmm! That county borders both Texas and Arkansas...and they DON'T carry KTAL-TV from Texarkana, TX? Wow! Was there a must-carry issue with the cable company there? I seem to recall a must-carry issue that got KTAL kicked off cable systems in much of its DMA. Somebody fill me in on this. Broken Bow's lineup is interesting to me because when I was in nearby Idabel (at the SE corner of OK), I was surprised to see that most stations offered were from Texarkana and Shreveport (as locals). As well as a couple of Dallas and Oklahoma City stations. Shreveport was a shocker to me because I drove down from OKC and wasn't thinking that the area would have any connection with Louisiana! Comcast Cable in Richmond, Indiana (in the Dayton, OH television market) currently has at least 2 channels per network. This is due to Richmond's close proximity to Dayton, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. 3 NBC (WDTN-Dayton, WLWT-Cincinnati, WTHR-Indianapolis) 2 ABC (WRTV-Indianapolis, WKEF-Dayton) 2 CBS (WHIO-Dayton, WISH-Indianapolis) 2 Fox (WXIX-Cincinnati, WRGT-Dayton) 2 CW (WTTV-Indianapolis, WBDT-Dayton) 3 PBS (WPTO-Oxford, WPTD-Dayton, WIPB-Muncie) The cable system does not carry any MyNetwork TV affiliates. Do any of those stations carry MY as one of their digital subchannels? WRGT in Dayton does, but its not on the cable system (analog or digital) yet as far as I know. Other My affiliates nearby are full-powered stations (WSTR-TV in Cincinnati and WNDY-TV in Indianapolis). They also didn't carry UPN after WTTV changed its network affiliation to The WB back in 1998. I

remember a lot of squabbling around town about the cable company's refusal to add the new UPN affiliate, WNDY-TV, because of it. WNDY buying the exclusive market rights to many of WTTV's Indiana-centric programming (Hoosier Millionaire, High School Football/Basketball championship broadcasts, etc.) also didn't help matters. Apparently WNDY wanted a lot of money from the cable system and neither party could work out a deal. WNDY still isn't on any cable systems in central Indiana that I'm aware of ... despite two ownership changes since the period Rowdy mentioned. Remember how folks were talking about getting several NFL games because of affiliate carriage on cable? If these NFL coverage maps are to be believed--my Fox & CBS locals for Mobile and Montgomery, AL (WALA 10, WCOV 20; WKRG 5, WAKA 8 ) will provide six different games today for Mediacom subscribers in the Monroeville, AL area. Early day game (Noon, central time): WKRG 5 has Miami at St. Louis, WAKA 8 has Indianapolis at Cleveland (both confirmed at 12:16pm) Late day game (3pm, central time): WKRG 5 is scheduled to have Denver at NY Jets, WAKA 8 is scheduled to have Pittsburgh at New England; WALA 10 is scheduled to have New Orleans at Tampa Bay, WCOV 20 will show NY Giants at Washington. When I was in Roanoke Rapids, NC a couple of years ago, they had stations on the Charter cable system from 3 different markets: WRAL (CBS) Raleigh WTVD (ABC) Durham WRAZ (Fox) Raleigh WLFL (then WB) Raleigh WITN (NBC) Washington, NC WNCT (CBS) Greenville, NC WGNT (then UPN) Portsmouth, Va plus the local UNC-TV PBS affiliate that was in Roanoke Rapids as well some low powered community station in Weldon/Roanoke Rapids. Here's what Metrocast in the Laconia area caries: ABC - WCVB Boston, WMTW Poland Springs/Portland, WMUR Manchester CBS - WBZ Boston, WGME Portland NBC - WHDH Boston, WCSH Portland Fox - WFXT Boston CW - WLVI Boston My - WZMY Derry PBS - WENH Durham, WGBH Boston To summerize, they leave out all but the big 3 from Portland, and they carry everything from Boston except for WGBX. Would there not have been a time when NYC cable systems carried five PBS stations? There are of course WNET, WLIW and NJN, but there was also WNYE/25 up until a few years ago, and it is my understanding Channel 31 used to show some PBS programs back when it was WNYC. Of course all five were local market stations, but still, that's a lot from one network in one place.

Even though it has been a year since I have seen the local cable system there but according to The Winchester ( Virginia ) Star..as of last week their line-up offers... ABC: Winchester & Washington DC NBC: Hagerstown (MD), Washington DC and Baltimore CBS: Washington DC, Baltimore and for a few viewers..Richmond FOX: Washington DC MY TV: Washington DC CW: Washington DC ( though back in the WB days...Hagerstown, MD too ) ION: Martinsburg (WV) PBS: Staunton (VA ) and Washington DC Until 2003 I believe there was a cable system in Franklin County, PA, I am not sure if it was Chambersburg or Waynesboro but whoever itwas they offered the big four nets from not only Baltimore and Washington but also from the Harrisbug-York-Lancaster market too. And NBC25 from Hagerstown, MD. According to Comcast's site, the system in Waynesboro has NBC from Hagerstown-DC(WHAG) and Harrisburg-York(WGAL) CBS from DC(WUSA), Harrisburg-York (WHTM) and Baltimore (WJZ) ABC and FOX from DC and Harrisburg. And, with Dish Network and DirecTV, WRC is offered, Dish also carries WHAG. And for Chambersburg, its NBC from Hagerstown-DC(WHAG), DC (WRC) and Harrisburg-York(WGAL) CBS, ABC and FOX from DC and Harrisburg. I know that county has flipped back and forth from the DC and Harrisburg market. I think like WMGM, WHAG doesn't have a region where its an exclusive NBC affiliate. Now I presume Comcast not wanting to offer say WBAL (NBC) in Chambersburg as it'd be too many NBC stations, and DC and Harrisburg are essentially required. Comcast offers HD from the York-Harrisburg market, and not DC, it appears in both Chambersburg and Waynesboro. I have a Series II TiVo unit, and it permits the option of basic cable and satellite. So, I get Philly from cable, and NY from satellite, and TiVo integrates it into one lineup, so I get a virtual Central NJ cable lineup. It only permitted me to choose NY and Philadelphia based on my zip code for satellite, so I couldn't do it with another market other than those two based on my zip. The newer HD TiVo units don't integrate satellite however, DirecTV under Rupert Murdoch originally sidestepped TiVo, but now its mended as TiVo has a deal with DirecTV now for a DirecTV Tivo HD box, and TiVo is in litigation with Echostar (so is not encouraging the TiVo service with a competitor, Dish). CBS: Washington DC, Baltimore and for a few viewers..Richmond I know that Front Royal, VA is one of those places. While staying in a fully cabled motel there (last year), I was shocked to see network affiliates from Washington, Baltimore, the Shenandoah Valley AND Richmond's WTVR! What a great lineup - with few (if any) blackouts! Nice. Hagerstown, MD's WHAG NBC 25 is a very strange cookie. Actually the station does have an area where they could "claim" exclusive status..though by default. Cumberland ! ! In that part of of Maryland, WHAG is pretty much the only NBC game in the area even though as recently as five years ago the local newspaper there showed listings from a number of other NBC affilates in the

region like DC's WRC, Johnstown's WJAC , Clarksburg, WV's WBOY, Baltimore's WBAL and even Pittsburgh's WPXI even though four of those stations ( WRC, WBAL, WBOY and WPXI ) are very tough catches to pick up there OTA much less the chance of seeing these channels on cable. I have heard that WJAC can be picked up there, well their analog signal anyway but not their digital. In their homebase of Hagerstown, WHAG is, we can say "its there". Yes they have some viewers but I have been told that WRC has more. WHAG in recent years seems to consider thier hometown as a "third market we serve" as the station seems to build itself as more of a "Frederick, MD" station ( despite that city's strong ties to both DC and Baltimore, both WRC and WBAL are on cable there ) and somewhat a "West Virginia" station as well since WHAG does a lot of stories on the news from the Eastern Panhandle. There have been a few times I can remember watching their news and rare do they do a Hagerstown based story as its usually Martinsburg or Frederick. Re: WBAL, one of those systems ( Chambersburg or Waynesboro ), when they dropped WBAL ( could very well be the reason you gave ), WBAL actually bought time on the local radio there trying to get viewers to demand the system tobring back WBAL. Dittos ( or so I have been told ) with WBFF thought I don't remember their ads. Either way it didn't work. Around the same time ( 2002-2003 ) WMAR was dropped too but WMAR could have cared less. From what I understand though, Comcast is the provider of Cumberland Co. MD, and Franklin County PA. The NBC retransmission agreement between NBC (WRC) w/ Comcast, applies covering any system in the DMA, so by defacto the station WHAG has no exclusive right. If the cable company remained an independent operator, then its possible for another scenario - like the independent operator not wanting to pay WRC retransmission but instead taking the free WHAG. But in that case, its possible for NBC to offer WRC for free in the outlying areas, but just charging the local metro area systems and the satellite companies, the retransmission fee. WHAG's benefit gets is the small advertising revenue being the only local outlet in the area, but I could see the approach to attract Frederick viewers in the neighboring more populated county. The same thing with Wildwood licensed WMGM that knows more HH are in Atlantic County. The benefit the DC stations get is WHAG reaches Franklin Co. as the most local station, and other far out points, its get tied to DC DMA, and the DC DMA remains #7 or #8, with a few more HH: greater value of the DC stations over the next market on the list, with more HH reach, without doing more effort like putting up translators. The Fox network and Sinclair's WBFF relation appears now oriented as: WBFF is the Baltimore DMA Fox affiliate, with exclusivity in Baltimore City and County, WTTG though gets dually carried in surrounding Baltimore DMA counties as well, but anywhere outside of the Baltimore market, despite WBFF's signal reach, WTTG is the big cheese, and in Elkton/Cecil, WTXF 29 from Philadelphia gets dually carried instead of WTTG. Dish network carries WHAG in DC DMA, and now DirecTV carries WMGM in Philly DMA. I wonder if WHAG was on both Dish and DirecTV, WMGM both on Dish and DirecTV, which would make a significant reach, if the NBC owned WRC and WCAU would care that a passerby using the Channel Up / Down might catch NBC network programming not 4 or 10. I could be wrong but I think NJN covers the NJ side and Manhattan, WLIW reaches more of the NE side of the market within NY, so there might not be too many systems, except satellite, carrying both NJN and WLIW, as the ancillary PBS source, but both WLIW and NJN retain the ancillary status to WNET. What's annoying in Philadelphia is that WLVT 39 from the Lehigh Valley schedule is more a primary PBS (primetime just like WHYY 12 and WNET 13), but WHYY 12 as a primary doesn't feel the need to run some programs like Charlie Rose because anyways WLVT 39 carries it. But WLVT

doesn't reach the entire market like how WHYY does. I think the same might be true with MPT and WETA 26, that both run the PBS and one doesn't operate ancillary to the other, but MPT won't show certain programs because they don't want their primetime too similar to WETA, but not all the MPT homes can get WETA. Staunton/Waynesboro/Augusta County and Harrisonburg/Rockingham County VA on Comcast: NBC---WVIR/29, Charlottesville, WRC/4 Washington, WSLS/10 Roanoke, WWBT/12, Richmond CBS---WTVR/6 Richmond, WUSA/9 Washington ABC---WHSV/3 Harrisonburg, WRIC/8 Richmond FOX---WTTG/5 Washington, digital subchannel of WHSV, Harrisonburg CW----digital subchannel of WVIR, Charlottesville MY----digital subchannel of WHSV, Harrisonburg PBS---WVPT/51 Harrisonburg High Def service----WHSV ABC, WUSA CBS, WVIR NBC, WVPT PBS, WTTG Fox NO BLACKOUTS Here's how Cablevision of CT Norwalk (my system) is broken down CBS--2 (WCBS; WFSB--but in Fairfield County, some local commercials air on WFSB Fairfield County, a digital subcarrier) NBC--2 (WNBC; WVIT) Fox--2 (WNYW; WTIC) ABC--2 (WABC; WTNH) PBS/Ed--4 (WEDW 49; WNET 13; WLIW 21; WNYE 25) My Net--2 (WWOR; WCTX--but must have a box) CW--2 (WPIX; WTXX) Ind--1 (WLNY) Ion--1 (WPXN) Other--1 (WSAH) Not counting the 3 Spanish stations (WNJU, WFUT, WXTV) The HD signals are of the NYC stations 2,4,5,7,9, 11,13 and 21 since Fairfield County is the NYC market. I could be wrong but I think NJN covers the NJ side and Manhattan, WLIW reaches more of the NE side of the market within NY, so there might not be too many systems, except satellite, carrying both NJN and WLIW, as the ancillary PBS source, but both WLIW and NJN retain the ancillary status to WNET. The system I saw carried NJN, WNET, and WLIW. I don't remember which system but it was one of the ones that does not carry NY1. I saw this system just south of Central Park.

Election Coverage http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/cnn_wins_cable_election_night_with_best_night_ever _99785.asp ABC won the night, followed by CNN and NBC (yes, NBC was beaten by cable...they are screwed). Fox News beat CBS and Fox Broadcasting. MSNBC beat Fox Broadcasting. ABC, CBS, and NBC has their anchors hosting with panels (all in HD). NBC had Tom Brokaw join Brian Williams. CNN had their team, and used special visual effects to create a "capital" on a CNN set with rotating graphics that looked lifelike (it was controlled by a huge touch-screen on the wall). They also had guests joining via "hollogram", in which guests appeared like they were in CNN's New York studios when they were not. MSNBC had David Gregory and Keith Olbermann anchoring, with Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow commenting, NBC and MSNBC has virtual sets for Ann Curry and Chuck Todd (on the Microsoft Surface). BBC America had a simulcast of BBC World News, with Ted Koppel offering commentary. C-SPAN took calls and interviewed newspaper reporters, while C-SPAN2 simulcast the CBC from Canada, and C-SPAN3 simulcast CBS Radio. PBS had Jim Leher and his staff. CNBC had their team (their coverage focused on the economy). TV One and BET had their own coverage, obviously focused on Obama. Fixed Noise, Fixed Business, and Fixed Broadcast did their thing. I think the fact that CNN beat NBC says a lot about cable's role in the TV business these days. On another note, I was watching NBC during Obama's victory speech and the audio kept dropping out. It sounded like when they bring down the audio on live TV if someone curses. Not sure if it was my cable or a network-wide problem, but it wasn't good timing at all for that to happen. I watched the speech on MSNBC and don't recall any audio or video issues. I'm assuming MSNBC and NBC used a common feed from Grant Park so the problem must have occurred on your local feed. I watched several hours of Fox News and was annoyed by all the technical problems. The often graphics didn't show what the talent was talking about. I watched a few minutes of the CBS News webstream and was much more impressed ... didn't try any of the others. CNN.com didn't work all night long. When Fox News found out Obama won, I'm suprised the anchors didn't scream loudly NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO! SOUND THE ALARM, WE ARE ALL DOOMED! ABC's victory on Election night was a testament to their approach in covering the night. They had a more respectable approach to journalism that included conservative graphics, a bucking of the "in your face" attitude of cable and its analysis, and fair reporting on both sides with analysts that respected one another and allowed for lively, yet unbiased, analysis throughout the evening. NBC's loss, in large part, was an unfortunate result of the loss of Tim Russert. As we have all seen in the past few months, NBC/MSNBC has lost much of its direction after losing Russert. Perhaps some of Tuesday night's losers will take a note from ABC and Gibson. I watched ABC and gave Charlie & George high marks for their election night coverage. Personally I have no idea why Diane Sawyer was included in the broadcast, but hey I'm not in charge of ABC's

news operation. However over at CNN Wolf Blitzer and CNN's Vice President for News were boasting they had more viewers than any of the other cable or network news operations. So the question is, whose telling the truth here? Does anyone have a breakdown of the overnight ratings to post so we can see who actually had more viewers? All anyone has had to do to see that is to watch "Fox & Friends" after the election. The way those three, uh, hosts talk, you would think our country's been taken over by a foreign power. The way Gretchen Carlson talks, she reminds me of old recordings of Axis Sally. Keep beating that drum. The one network NOT dominated by liberal bias is the one that's bad. Roll Eyes Personally, I found the absolute fawning of Obama and celebratory atmosphere presented on GMA, Today and the Early Show to range between annoying and nauseating. The local TV news here in Chicago was even worse with the outright celebration of the results. Almost as bad as Oprah. When compared with all that, Fox news seemed to keep things on an even keel. That's where we fled by 7:05 am on Wednesday. On the network side, I thought NBC was the best, including their graphics. I mean, they were trying to maintain their election night quality left behind by Tim Russert. CBS was also good with their "low-key" approach, but ABC? They didn't impress me. Cable? I was tuned to CNN mostly (never cared about Fox News); as for international coverage, CBC was a bit better than BBC because of Peter Mansbridge and the gang (except for Keith Boag and the "At Issue" panel). I felt ABC was the best on the broadcast side, but the overall best coverage was Comedy Central's Indecision 2008. Colbert's spot-on channeling of the McCainiacs dismay at realizing the GOP was being thumped was priceless. Grin Sign of trouble for the CW I recently noticed that my local CW affiliate has quit calling themselves "CW33" in the audio portions of promos and on their newscast. In fact, they changed their website name to eliminate the CW from the address. What makes this particularly interesting is that the station in question is Tribune-owned KDAF Channel 33 in Dallas-Fort Worth. On screen you still see CW33 on a lot of things, but the anchors call it the "KDAF 33 News At Nine." The website is now KDAF33.com. The Tribune-owned CW station in Houston has just changed it's call letters to eliminate the CW from them. KHCW became KIAH (the identifier for the Houston airport) Tribune is also switching it's station in San Diego from CW to Fox. (the current Fox affil is picking up the CW) So it makes me wonder if Tribune wants to dump the CW? If that were to happen, the network would have some pretty big holes to fill in its lineup. In the DFW area, they'd probably go with Viacom-owned KTXA (a former UPN affiliate). In Houston, their options would be some very low rated UHF stations that don't serve the market well. Other markets would be much tougher. I think the CW would go to KCAL in Los Angeles, WCIU in Chicago, but I'm not sure they could find decent affiliates in markets like New York, Washington, Miami, Denver, St. Louis, Portland,

Indianapolis, Hartford, and New Orleans. They'd probably have to go with Ion stations or put the network on a digital sub-channel. Has anyone heard anything? They're on WTXX-TV/DT channel 20/D 12 (D 20 in 2009) in Hartford/New Haven. Tribune owns WTIC-TV/DT (FOX) channel 61/D 31 of Hartford. WTXX is paired with them as a duopoly. As for subchannels, WTIC-DT doesn't use 61-2, 61-3, etc. The MY affiliate here is WCTX-TV/DT channel 59/D 39 of New Haven. They are in a duopoly with WTNH-TV/DT (ABC) channel 8/D 10 of New Haven. The only other commercial stations? WHPX-TV/DT (ION) channel 26/D 34 of New London (a good clip to the southeast) and WUVN-TV/DT (UNI) channel 18/D 46 of Hartford (who doesn't have the best signal around here). In Indianapolis, my question is this: How ironclad is the My Network TV contract for WNDY TV? Because if at all possible, if Tribune dumps CW, my guess is that LIN would love to pick up CW for WNDY and run MyNet programming out of pattern at 10pm. (Or, alternatively, move MyNet programming to WISH subchannel 8.3 "Local Weather Station" and just run CW on WNDY.) FWIW though, I don't think Tribune will pull the CW from the 4 // 29 simulcast until the network actually goes out of business. Both analog signals are rimshots, and the station is the weaker half of Tribune's Indy duopoly anyway. So it's not as if there is another great affiliation up for grabs that they are leaving on the table to go with CW. Maybe in New York, they could use Long Island-based independent WLNY. Location shouldn't make a difference, as the channel is carried on most New York City cable systems. But then, where would that leave WPIX? Back to being an indie? Or possibly creating a seventh network? Love the conspiracy snausage, tested! I recently noticed that my local CW affiliate has quit calling themselves "CW33" in the audio portions of promos and on their newscast. The same is true for CW affiliate WXCW in the Fort Myers/Naples market. It was "CW6"...now it's just "6." In this instance, I think it has more to do with synergy in regards to WINK TV's newscast airing on WXCW than the station dropping CW. Their website (CW6tv.com) links directly to the main CW website. Ha! :-) It's not really a conspiracy theory. It's just an observation of some recent moves by the new owners of Tribune that strongly suggest they don't see this network in their long term future. Maybe they know something we don't about CBS/Warner's commitment to the network. Also KWGN-TV here in Denver has rebranded from CW2 to 2 and has been promoting their web site as KWGN.com although if you go to it it will still direct you to CW2.com but from what I hear they're planning on relaunching their site early next month. Well, the Philly CW station is still "CW Philly"... but check out how uglily worded the copyright disclaimer is: " MMVIII, Philadelphia Television Station WPSG Inc. All Rights Reserved" WBNX/55 is still "Cleveland's CW/WBNX" as far as I know.

Of course, if they dumped CW or it died, they could always resurrect the "We are family, and we show it...TV-55...BOMP!" jingles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbQw_txOww We're really just talking about Tribune owned CW stations here. I'm pretty sure Tribune doesn't own either the Philly or Cleveland stations. The news about KWGN in Denver is significant. It seems to show that this is a corporate-wide trend among Tribune CW stations. Wonder when the Tribune deal with CW ends? Perhaps Sam "Mr Tribune" Zell has crawled into bed with FOX... Shocked) After San Diego... The affiliations with the CW were supposedly for ten years, but wasn't that with the old Tribune company, I'm not sure if they apply now under the sale. Tribune-owned WTXX-TV/DT here in greater Hartford is still called "CW 20-WTXX". As for Philadelphia, Tribune owns WPHL-TV channel 17, which is a MY affiliate. CBS O&O WUPA Atlanta is still "CW 69" (which they did change to...from the original "CW Atlanta"), licensed to "Atlanta Television Station WUPA Inc." (WPSG "CW Philly" is a CBS O&O as well). KTLA and WGN never have identified with the CW (nor the WB). WPIX was "CW 11" at last check. If WPIX ditches that branding...that is a true sign Tribune has no faith in the CW. If Tribune ditches their agreement...the CW will shut down, as they will lose market clearances in the top 3 markets, and that will send a signal to everyone else that there is no future for the CW. Two years ago, when the CW and My Network TV launched, everyone was predicting MyNet would crash in burn in a few months due to the all-soap opera format that was the original plan, and that the CW might be around for a while. It looks like MyNet will outlive the CW. Also KWGN-TV here in Denver has rebranded from CW2 to 2 and has been promoting their web site as KWGN.com although if you go to it it will still direct you to CW2.com but from what I hear they're planning on relaunching their site early next month. As recently as last weekend it still says "CW2" on KWGN's building. Of course that means nothing. My friends live across the street from Denver's new 107.1 ONE-FM radio station. As recently as a month ago the sign in front of those high rise towers on the corner of Dartmouth Ave & Parker Road ( where ONE-FM is located ) still read "Sassy 107" even though Sassy had been defunct several months now. When I was in New York in February 2007, the WPIX building still had the WB11 logo on it - five months after it became CW11. Didn't even see a CW11 mention anywhere. I mean, seriously, guys, does anybody have any faith in the CW? The first sign of trouble was before they launched, they revealed the network branding and everybody screamed "WTF?Huh?". I don't think anybody would be surprised if they close up shop completely in the next year or two. IMO, Time-Warner should've stayed on their own, bought UPN from Viacom, and just absorbed the UPN programming under the WB brand.

KTLA and WGN never have identified with the CW (nor the WB). Not entirely true. In the CW's first season, KTLA was referred to as "The CW/5". Now, like seemingly everybody else, they've stopped references to the CW. That would seem to indicate that the CW/Dawn Osteroff death watch is ongoing. tick....tick....tick.... When I was in New York in February 2007, the WPIX building still had the WB11 logo on it - five months after it became CW11. Didn't even see a CW11 mention anywhere. I can confirm that last last glance, there was indeed a "CW 11" logo gracing the Daily News Building. Next time I'm in the area, and see otherwise, I shall report it here. Wonder when the Tribune deal with CW ends? Tribune signed a 10-year agreement for its CW affiliates that ends in 2016. One would wonder, though, just how iron-clad that agreement is when you look at how KSWB-TV is transitioning from CW to FOX after just 2 years. As recently as last weekend it still says "CW2" on KWGN's building. Of course that means nothing. My friends live across the street from Denver's new 107.1 ONE-FM radio station. As recently as a month ago the sign in front of those high rise towers on the corner of Dartmouth Ave & Parker Road ( where ONE-FM is located ) still read "Sassy 107" even though Sassy had been defunct several months now. Okay, I'll go over this again. A sign on the building means nothing. Those take time to order and change. What I noted was that my local Tribune owned CW affiliate had dropped all verbal references to the CW in promos and on their newscast. The website address the now promote is KDAF33.com instead of CW33.com. HOWEVER - all the logos on the screen and website still show CW33. I also noted the changes in Houston and San Diego. Others have noted other changes at other Tribune owned stations. NONE of this is in reference to CBS owned CW stations. It seems to me that if Tribune can get out of the CW deal in San Diego as quickly as they did, they can probably do the same for their other stations. It may also be that Tribune knows something we don't about the future of the network. Maybe Warner Brothers or Viacom (CBS) is getting ready to pull the plug on it in a year or so and Tribune is trying to mitigate the damage from this by changing their station marketing. Exactly but I guess they just make some sort of financial settlement with the dropped affiliate. WGN has a lot of visual references to the CW still I guess the thing to ask is, first does the CW show a profit? If not does it have some other purpose, like a tax write off. Just out of curiosity, when does Ted Turner's non-compete agreement with Warner expire, it should be soon if not alreay. The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible. Rumors persist that KPLR 11 will make a run at ABC in the very near future.

Good news for KPLR... KDNL (ABC 30) of St. Louis affiliation agreement expires December 31, 2009. Source: SBGI's SEC filings KTLA has already been brought up, but I seem to recall WGN had a CW logo in its logo at first as well. I wonder if CBS and/or TimeWarner has been making overtures to FOX for a potential CW-MyNet merger. Here's what may end up happening: *2009: CW and MyNet merge, divvying up CBS-owned CW stations and Fox-owned MyNet stations. All Tribune stations are left out of merger. Tribune forms its own separate network, possibly a revival of the WB with its old partner. *At some point down the line, the CW-MyNet merger itself merges with the new WB. This time CBS, Fox, and Tribune stations are divvied up fairly, creating as strong a network as possible. Meanwhile, the CW's mistakes, and those of the two predecessor networks, are properly learned and a real plan is made. That includes not pissing off Sinclair and LIN too much; those two owners combined own stations in most of the upper-mid-sized markets that come after the ones with CBS/Fox/Tribune-owned stations, including multiple stations in markets where the other network is either absent or (in the case of LIN's KNVA Austin) on the same station. Pissing off Sinclair enough to send, among others, Cincinnati's WSTR to MyNet was one of the CW's early mistakes. However, I wouldn't be surprised if TimeWarner made an offer Fox couldn't refuse for the MyNet stations and network and revived the WB on the latter, and possibly bought (and/or affiliated with) a few CBS and Tribune stations for good measure. (Would WPCH, the former WTBS, be included in such a revival?) They recently spun off Time Warner Cable, so regulatory restrictions resulting from that shouldn't be an issue unless there are intricities of that I'm not familiar with. That would also allow stations like WGN, which some would argue should be independent, to go independent. Back to reality. One interesting issue surrounding the CW folding and MyNet living on is that in most markets, MyNet is on the CW's rejects. In markets where Tribune owns a CW station but Fox does not own the MyNet station, could Tribune's skepticism on the CW mean a lessening of that problem in the near future? I smell WSFL, KWGN, KPLR, KRCW, WTTV, WTXX, and WNOL being MyNet-bound if the CW doesn't fold and Trbune remains skepticism. That really improves MyNet's standing, especially since KWGN and KPLR are strong, Big Four-caliber stations that produce their own news, and those two stations and WTTV are on VHF. (One interesting wrinkle is that the only remaining CBS-owned MyNet station, WBFS, would then move to the CW in a heartbeat. The other markets, though, would pose a big problem for the CW. It'd be interesting to see how willing Gannett, Roberts Broadcasting, Meredith, LIN, and Belo would be to affiliate with the CW after seeing Tribune ditch it.) WPIX, KTLA, WGN, KDAF, WDCW, and KIAH would then be the only Tribune-owned CW stations, and Tribune could well make KTLA and KDAF independent with a mutual agreement with CBS that would move the CW to KCAL and KTXA. (Regardless of how plausible the above scenario is, I'd be surprised if Tribune didn't move KPLR to ABC by January 2010, and positively shocked if they still didn't do it while the CW miraculously wasn't folding by then, after reading the last two posts.) The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible. So I guess that would explain the recent rebranding at KWGN since it's owned by Tribune. Where did you hear this rumor? It certainly fits with the information in this thread.

Given the actions of the new Tribune owner it seems completely logical that KPLR would go after the ABC affiliation. KDNL is a joke of a station. They dropped their local news about 5 years ago. The ratings for ABC in that market are awful. They would definitely pick up if the network moved to KPLR. For that matter, I think KDNL would be a better CW affiliate than KPLR. I'm sure KDNL would pick up a lot of the syndicated programming that now fills KPLR's day. Doesn't the CW (like the WB and UPN before it) require the TV stations pay the nework instead of the network paying the affiliate, to carry the programs. (CBS, NBC and ABC pay affiliates to carry their shows, I don't know about FOX) I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since somebody at Wikipedia removed my references to the KWGN re-branding, I wanted to post a few screencaps here to prove the re-branding (see the last one below). Also, KWGN did a logo montage, similar to that done by WPIX New York in 2006 when it transitioned from WB to the CW. They, unlike WPIX, have played their montage numerous times. These are the logos from the montage in chronological order: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1644.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1640.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1641.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1645.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1646.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1647.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1653.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1649.jpg The whole thing is accompanied by a cover version of the song "Changes" by David Bowie. I have no idea why they didn't update their web page at or near the time they re-branded. It still says "CW2" there, using the standard Tribune CW template. Isn't ABC 26 New Orleans owned by Tribune? Yes, WGNO 26 in New Orleans is owned by Tribune. If the show being syndicated to the Tribune Stations (and others) this fall, "Wizard's First Rule" becomes a sucess, and Tribune does indeed say 'buh-bye' the the CW....there may indded be a new Tribune Netwok on the horizon....powered by Disney Grin It was difficult getting these pictures because the entire sequence was over in less than 12 seconds. These pix were taken directly from the TV through rather low-tech means. I had to freezeframe from the beginning, and advance the DVR by 1/15 of a second at a time to get the shots. As was the case with the WPIX montage in 2006, I have yet to see the KWGN montage on Youtube. It would probably make the lawyers squeak and gibber if it were there anyhow. And you're right, the "2" that you mention was not included. At any rate, I was glad to have proof of the re-branding for the officious soul at Wikipedia who did not feel it was appropriate to mention the re-branding since it wasn't on the KWGN website. Roll Eyes How extensively has WGN/Chicago branded with the CW? I only see it, of course, through what's now known as "WGN America". But catching the last few minutes of last night's "News at Nine", I didn't see "CW" anywhere during the newscast...and I could have sworn that they at least at a not-properly-colored (blue instead of green) "CW" in the logo during the news.

It's hard to tell, because WGN America doesn't run the Chicago-local spot breaks...so I can't see any other branding that might include CW. Today, DCRTV.com is officially reporting similar changes are underway with the Tribune-owned CW station in DC. http://www.dcrtv.com WGN does not ever use CW branding during its newscasts, most likely because it would confuse viewers of WGN America. The "WGN9 CW" logo does show up at the end of the Illinois lottery sequence, which is run on WGN America during its newscasts. That probably does make some people scratch their heads. One wonders why they don't just use the WGN9 block letter logo without the CW logo during that sequence to avoid the confusion. Furthermore, the CW portion of the logo does not appear during sports events, which are usually shown on both WGN local and WGN America. I think you've solved my mystery...I do recall seeing the "WGN9 CW" logo in the Illinois Lottery section of the newscast, now that I think of it. Maybe if ABC/Disney gets a secondary net, they could also use it to give Leno a home. They could even offer current ABC affils the first option to take the secondary net in non-Tribune markets, and this would give them a choice, they could run Leno or Nightline, with the one the ABC affil doesn't pick going to the secondary net. I did jump onto this logo change right away, editing the article on or soon after the day the rebranding happened. I certainly do not mind if you add the logo to the article. It will be interesting, too, to see how things go with KIAH, KDAF, and, most recently, WDCW. Tribune is distancing themselves from the CW network for sure. First the KIAH change, then the WDCW rebranding. I think the CW will fold this summer and not come back this fall. How much longer will MyNetworkTV will be around? I hear their ratings are much worse than The CW's. Anyone think that Ion TV might rise in prominence after at least one of those two (or both) networks are gone? Done and done. Thanks for the cap; I definitely contribute the most via screencap images myself, so I understand the frustration when something is reverted that is true. The whole website argument wasn't very powerful at all, and I have posted on the talk page my feelings about how the reversion should not have been done. Tribune is distancing themselves from the CW network for sure. First the KIAH change, then the WDCW rebranding. I think the CW will fold this summer and not come back this fall. How much longer will MyNetworkTV will be around? I hear their ratings are much worse than The CW's. Anyone think that Ion TV might rise in prominence after at least one of those two (or both) networks are gone? My Network TV isn't going anywhere. Fox needs it to fill the time on their O&O stations. The ratings for My Network are growing. It has picked up CW's most watched show (WWE Smackdown) and will begin air it this fall. I recently noticed that my local CW affiliate has quit calling themselves "CW33" in the audio portions of promos and on their newscast. In fact, they changed their website name to eliminate the CW from the address. What makes this particularly interesting is that the station in question is Tribune-owned KDAF Channel 33 in Dallas-Fort Worth. On screen you still see CW33 on a lot of things, but the anchors call it the "KDAF 33 News At Nine." The website is now KDAF33.com. The Tribune-owned CW station in Houston has just changed it's call letters to eliminate the CW from them. KHCW became KIAH (the identifier for the Houston airport) Tribune is also switching

it's station in San Diego from CW to Fox. (the current Fox affil is picking up the CW) So it makes me wonder if Tribune wants to dump the CW? If that were to happen, the network would have some pretty big holes to fill in its lineup. In the DFW area, they'd probably go with Viacom-owned KTXA (a former UPN affiliate). In Houston, their options would be some very low rated UHF stations that don't serve the market well. Other markets would be much tougher. I think the CW would go to KCAL in Los Angeles, WCIU in Chicago, but I'm not sure they could find decent affiliates in markets like New York, Washington, Miami, Denver, St. Louis, Portland, Indianapolis, Hartford, and New Orleans. They'd probably have to go with Ion stations or put the network on a digital sub-channel. Has anyone heard anything? KWGN just recently dumped the CW part of it's logo when they launched their new 5:30 PM newscast and now just use the News 2 logo which they've been using for their newscasts for quite sometime. As for the CW switching, the only place I can see it conceivably going would be to Gannett-owned KTVD 20 who I'm sure would LOVE to have the CW if for no other reason than to have decent ratings during primetime. The drawback to this for KWGN would be they would be stuck with MyNetwork TV in the deal UNLESS Gannett chose to have their cake AND eat it too by keeping MyNetwork TV on KTVD and simply time-shifting the lineup, which they have the luxury of doing if they so chose as this would give KTVD a formidable late night lineup. But Tribune has even bigger problems in Los Angeles, Chicago & New York. I say this because unless they can strike a deal with News Corp. to carry MyNetwork on KTLA, WGN locally and WPIX respectfully (Yeah right like that's gonna happen since News Corp./FOX owns KCOP, WPWR & WWOR respectively, all of which are MyNetwork O&O's on VHF!!), Tribune will be stuck with the CW on KTLA, WGN & WPIX whether they like it or not. Then again, Tribune could just simply hand the CW over to CBS/KCAL in L.A. too. Am I missing anything? Cheers Smiley Pat Also KWGN-TV here in Denver has rebranded from CW2 to 2 and has been promoting their web site as KWGN.com although if you go to it it will still direct you to CW2.com but from what I hear they're planning on relaunching their site early next month. They also, as I indicated above, launched a 5:30 PM weekday newscast to rival the network offering on 4, 7 & 9, the sitcoms on 20 & 31, anything offered on Indie KWHD 53 & anything ION is featuring on 59. Plus KWGN is relying more on its News 2 name and in fact doesn't even mention the CW in their voiceovers anymore. Cheers Smiley Pat Yes, WGNO 26 in New Orleans is owned by Tribune. But it's not affected by this change. As such, it isn't part of this thread. That said, they may decide to change some of their graphics and other imaging though just to "Tow

the corporate line" as it were. There's always that possibility. Cheers Smiley Pat Tribune is distancing themselves from the CW network for sure. First the KIAH change, then the WDCW rebranding. I think the CW will fold this summer and not come back this fall. Since pre-production is certainly already started for new shows that will be airing this fall on the CW, your prediction seems at least a year premature. How the network does this fall and winter, however, may well determine whether the CW still exists after September 2009. The drawback to this for KWGN would be they would be stuck with MyNetwork TV in the deal Why would they be "stuck" with MyNetwork TV? If Tribune were to make the decision to ditch the CW at KWGN (or any of their other CW affiliates) it will be for one of two reasons. The first is that they have the chance to land a stronger network (as they did with Fox at KSWB in San Diego). Absent that, the second reason would be because they've determined that they are better off on their own than they are as a CW affiliate -- and in that instance, they're hardly likely to turn around and sign up with MNTV when that network is even weaker than the CW. And really...while its debatable whether a strong independent is preferable to being affiliated with the CW, I doubt that there is much question about the comparison for the folks at Tribune headquarters in Chicago when it comes to weighing out being an independent versus being an MNTV affiliate. Consider this simple question -- which Chicago station is stronger in that market -WCIU (Weigel's indepedent) or WPWR (Fox's MNTV outlet)? Certainly looks like WCIU to me... And KWGN, a station with strong market heritage, could conceivably become a very strong independent TV station if it ends up parting ways with the CW (or if the CW folds). Why weaken that heritage with the crap that fills most of MNTV? Maybe if ABC/Disney gets a secondary net, they could also use it to give Leno a home. They could even offer current ABC affils the first option to take the secondary net in non-Tribune markets, and this would give them a choice, they could run Leno or Nightline, with the one the ABC affil doesn't pick going to the secondary net. I don't think Jay Leno would ever sign on for anything like that. Agreed. He'd rather go on after Jimmy Kimmel before he does ANYTHING CLOSE to that. Besides, why would ABC want a secondary network? What would (Or COULD) they do with it? They've already seen what FOX has tried with MyNetwork TV. Look at the results. What would be Disney's incentive to commit what would (Albeit essentially) be TV SUICIDEHuh They already have a plethora of cable nets plus ABC News Now (However you label that "channel") for people to choose from. They don't need to be crawling into bed with Tribune. It's not in their best interests. Anyway....Back on topic.... Just my opinion... Cheers Smiley Pat

Tribune is distancing themselves from the CW network for sure. First the KIAH change, then the WDCW rebranding. I think the CW will fold this summer and not come back this fall. Since pre-production is certainly already started for new shows that will be airing this fall on the CW, your prediction seems at least a year premature. How the network does this fall and winter, however, may well determine whether the CW still exists after September 2009. That said though, there's nothing here to indicate that this will stop Tribune from jumping ship anyway. Cheers Smiley Pat But Tribune has even bigger problems in Los Angeles, Chicago & New York. I say this because unless they can strike a deal with News Corp. to carry MyNetwork on KTLA, WGN locally and WPIX respectfully (Yeah right like that's gonna happen since News Corp./FOX owns KCOP, WPWR & WWOR respectively, all of which are MyNetwork O&O's on VHF!!), Tribune will be stuck with the CW on KTLA, WGN & WPIX whether they like it or not. Then again, Tribune could just simply hand the CW over to CBS/KCAL in L.A. too. In New York, if WPIX dumped CW, and CW still existed, it could end up on WLNY, WRNN, or WMBC, all of which are on local cable - and the fact that two of them are digital-only will be a moot point in seven months. I just can't see CW being relegated to digital subchannel status in the #1 market. The reason My Network TV was created by Fox/News Corp. was because their stations were left out of the WB/UPN to CW merger. You'll have better luck getting Fox News Channel to adopt a liberal bias than My Network going to the Tribune stations. If Tribune pulls the plug, the CW will have no choice than to pull the plug. If Tribune bails, others will quickly bail too. And that is if a lawsuit is not filed (which one will most certainly be filed if Tribune bails out). As for ABC or another network starting a new network...I think you have a better chance of Dan Rather returning to CBS than another new network. They are seeing what is going on with the CW and My Network. With cable and the internet...there will be no new broadcast networks - ever. Consider this simple question -- which Chicago station is stronger in that market -- WCIU (Weigel's indepedent) or WPWR (Fox's MNTV outlet)? Certainly looks like WCIU to me... You're correct but it's really because FOX bought WPWR and used it for a dumping ground for crap they don't want on WFLD-TV. WPWR in it's day was number 3 behind WGN, and WFLD. And really...while its debatable whether a strong independent is preferable to being affiliated with the CW, Let me shed some light on this. 1. The CW is requiring many of its stations to pay compensation to the network to be affilated with them. This is a reversal of the way it used to be (that's why it's called "reverse compensation" in the business) but it's become a more common practice in recent years.

2. The CW keeps all but 2.5 minutes an hour of advertising during prime time. That means affiliates have to recoup their costs to the CW based on the sales of only 5 minutes of ads each night. Without strong ratings, that becomes real tough. My Network TV is more attractive because it does not require "reverse compensation" and splits ad time equally with stations. (which comes to about 7 minutes of ads per hour or 14 minutes a night) I don't think Tribune will switch a bunch of their stations over to My Network TV though. I think they may just go back to being independent stations. I think the numbers I just mentioned show that they can probably make that work pretty well for themselves. With KDVR sold to LocalTV from Fox, Fox might look to target KWGN and get out from KDVR. I know that the deal was incumbent on every station sold by Fox to LocalTV staying with Fox for double-digit years, but Denver's a unique situation where a switch might be possible for the right price. No, that won't happen. I'm pretty sure Fox locked in all the stations it sold to LocalTV for 10 year affiliation agreements. If they somehow violated that agreement, not only would LocalTV sue Fox and win tens of millions of dollars, but LocalTV would be well within its rights to ditch Fox on all of its other stations and affilate with CBS, NBC or ABC. I don't think Tribune will switch a bunch of their stations over to My Network TV though. I think they may just go back to being independent stations. I think the numbers I just mentioned show that they can probably make that work pretty well for themselves. Were all the Tribune stations that are now CW previously Independent (I mean before being WB) or were any affililates of ABC, NBC, FOX or NBC? Here in Hartford/New Haven, WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford signed on as an independent in 1984. They have been a FOX affiliate since the network started in 1986. Their sister station is WTXX-TV (CW) channel 20 of Waterbury. They were independent from 1982 to 1996, UPN from 1996 to 2000, WB from 2001 to 2006 and CW from 2006 to present. (The station was WATR-TV before 1982, a secondary NBC affiliate to cover areas that WVIT-TV channel 30 of New Britain couldn't reach at the time.) My Network TV is more attractive because it does not require "reverse compensation" and splits ad time equally with stations. (which comes to about 7 minutes of ads per hour or 14 minutes a night) I don't think Tribune will switch a bunch of their stations over to My Network TV though. I think they may just go back to being independent stations. I think the numbers I just mentioned show that they can probably make that work pretty well for themselves. Note that MNTV has already modified that split downward -- originally, the affiliates got 9 minutes of ads per hour, with the network keeping only 5 minutes. Agreed that the better split and lack of reverse compensation would make MNTV appealing, if the network carried any programming that would actually enhance a station's ratings and image. Unfortunately, up to this point, MNTV has not done so -- perhaps this will change after Smackdown moves to MNTV, but so far the MNTV primetime lineup is roughly the equivalent of a station filling it's primetime schedule with the absolute bottom rung programming available in syndication. Staying independent and keeping all 14 minutes of advertising time would be preferable to filling primetime with the crap that MNTV runs... And, in the end, I think we both believe that Tribune would do better with the independent route than it would by going to MNTV.

Then again, Tribune could just simply hand the CW over to CBS/KCAL in L.A. too. KCAL has no need for CW affiliation. It pulls better ratings with 3 hours of primetime news than CW does with programming. Besides, KCAL needs open slots for Lakers basketball which they've been hitched to for decades. I'd bet my money on the rabid Lakers fanbase than "Gossip Girl" or <Premiering Show That Has Yet To Be Named> to pull in total eyeballs. KCAL has to remain independent for it's own livelihood. I'd say the same for KCOP but Fox really thinks MNTV is going to work. Roll Eyes Personally, I wouldn't give either "net" a chance of survival beyond 2010 tops. By then, both will likely be digital subchannels and left to die. WCIU turned down the WB and UPN in the mid 90s, so I'm not so sure they'd want it now. WCIU is pretty commited with ethnic programming on their subchannel, they also carry ME-TV and MeTOOTV on their subchannels (they indicated they would stop this once the low power Me-TV and MeTOO had digital low power though). WCIU has also just signed a deal with MGM for more subchannel programming. So I don't know if the CW would be especially welcome at WCIU. Of course WJYS is a full power channel on 62 out of suburban Tinley Park with a very weak signal because it's out of south suburban Tinley Park (station is licensed to Hammond, IN) but it's digital transmitter is on Sears Tower. I have noticed that KTLA has removed CW from its bug last night while airing the raiders pre season football game It looks like WTTV in Indianapolis has also gotten into this game. Some promos are referring to the station as "Indiana's Four", not "CW Four". But some still say CW Four. I didn't notice a bug at all when I was watching this weekend. WTTV is also a Tribune station. This may be a trend for stations that have high status with their original local identities. KTVU in the SF Bay Area IDs themselves as "KTVU, Fox 2" when they are running FOX network programming, or running promos for upcoming FOX shows. But the rest of the time, and especially during their high-status local news programmings, they ID the station as "KTVU Channel 2" much as they did 25 years ago. Their news has been a local favorite (especially at 10:00 PM) for many years, before their affiliation with FOX. KTLA has a similarly long and distinguished history, and doesn't need to shout about the CW. Channel 50 in Washington DC is now DC-50 instead of CW Washington. http://www.dcrtv.com/ and scroll down. Dallas-Fort Worth's KDAF is now "The 33" http://www.the33tv.com WOW! All these stations not billing themselves as CW...something is up. Hey, if the CW did shut down, what would happen to the digital channels that air CW programming (like here in lansing/Jackson WLAJ CW5 ) would they go off air or maybe join ..WGN AMERICA?

HuhHuh Yesterday in New York City, I saw a billboard ad for the CW program "Gossip Girl". It was highlighted by the following quote: "Mind-numbingly inappropriate." And to whom was that quote credited, per the ad? The Parents Television Council. Now I'm not trying to go Pollyanna here. My point is, if the bane of your ad campaign is a quote from the Parents Television Council to promote one of your shows, you're really grasping for straws. No, the CW's NOT grasping for straws - CONSIDERING THAT MOST of the shows that they broadcast (though I LOVE "America's Next Top Model"... Wink) are aimed at that 18-34 female demo, the fact that they're using the PTC quote to PROMOTE the show is VERY characteristic.... Andrea Is WPIX still "CW11"? The website seems to say so but as we've seen with KWGN this doesn't necessarily mean anything. I wish they weren't, but they still are. Give them time. Maybe all the other Tribune O&O's are phasing out the "CW" part of their names before WPIX follows suit. Again, if I see the big golden "CW" letters being removed from the big building at 220 East 42nd Street, I'll let you know... Tribune-owned WTXX-TV/DT channel 20/digital 12 of Waterbury/Hartford is still calling themselves CW-20. Note that MNTV has already modified that split downward -- originally, the affiliates got 9 minutes of ads per hour, with the network keeping only 5 minutes. Agreed that the better split and lack of reverse compensation would make MNTV appealing, if the network carried any programming that would actually enhance a station's ratings and image. Unfortunately, up to this point, MNTV has not done so -- perhaps this will change after Smackdown moves to MNTV, but so far the MNTV primetime lineup is roughly the equivalent of a station filling it's primetime schedule with the absolute bottom rung programming available in syndication. Staying independent and keeping all 14 minutes of advertising time would be preferable to filling primetime with the crap that MNTV runs... And, in the end, I think we both believe that Tribune would do better with the independent route than it would by going to MNTV. You may have better info than I do about the commercial split. I had heard it was an equal split, but maybe it was 9/5 for affilates. Really the main point I'm getting at here is that My Network TV has far more upside potential for Fox and the MNTV affiliates than the CW does. MNTV has improved quite a bit since it launched. They now run movies from the Fox library at least two nights a week - and many are in HD. The ratings are up, but are still pretty low. If Smackdown can pull most of what it did on CW, it'll immediately put MNTV within sight of catching CW in the ratings. (particularly since CW will likely not be able to attract the same kind of audience for whatever they put on in Smackdown's place) I read in BusinessWeek from late July that Tribune has to pay $72 million a year for the CW. I think

Sam Zell is trying to get out of the payments. Their credit is junk (probably more like fecal matter now). http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_32/b4095000408330.htm (Click on Page 3) Also...the people that were behind Clear Channel during the radio station buying spree (Randy Michaels, et. al.) are now at Tribune. We know they are not known for any business practices that creates results (at least positive ones). So there are 13 CW affiliates owned by the tribune... Let's see.. $72,000,000/13 or $5,538,461.54 per station per year $5,538,461.54/52 = $106,508.88 per week per station $106,508.88 /14 hours per week = $7,607.78 per hour $7,607.78/60 minutes per hour = $126.79 per minute ------> OK I probably screwed up the math somewhere, but if I didn't you tell me is this worth it? Hmmmmm Not sure if this is already mentioned but as of yesterday KWGN here in Denver has relaunched their web site as KWGN.com. Tribune-owned WTXX-TV/DT channel 20/digital 12 of Waterbury/Hartford is still calling themselves CW-20. Not for long. They're branded as "TXX" on the website (www.wtxx.com) A report on the TV news website "newsblues" says that Zell has given the Tribune stations until around September 1st to rebrand themselves without the CW logo. Looks like they're going to meet that deadline. Tribune-owned WTXX-TV/DT channel 20/digital 12 of Waterbury/Hartford is still calling themselves CW-20. Kevin is right and they are still calling themselves CW-20, but starting either 9/1 or 9/8 they will be calling themselves "TXX". CW20.COM now forwards to WTXX.COM and this new logo is on their site. http://www.wtxx.com/css/images/wtxx.png Is WPIX still "CW11"? The website seems to say so but as we've seen with KWGN this doesn't necessarily mean anything. I wish they weren't, but they still are. Give them time. Maybe all the other Tribune O&O's are phasing out the "CW" part of their names before WPIX follows suit. Again, if I see the big golden "CW" letters being removed from the big building at 220 East 42nd Street, I'll let you know... With all the Tribune site redesigns popping up, I did some poking on the WPIX page since all of the stations have a universal place to place the station logo in the top of the page (it's the webpage

address, then css/stationcalls.png). Looking at WPIX's image, they're staying CW11 for now. I was never a fan of the CW logo anyways... Why did they allow Smackdown to go to MYNetworkTV? If I remember right wasn't that one of CW's highest rated shows? Maybe because CW is becoming a women's network of sorts and WWE tends to skew more towards men? Who knows? I think WWE Smackdown! was their highest rated show, despite the Friday night time slot. As for MY, they only have three full-powered affiliates in the 6 New England states. I hope this move is a good one for them. Yeah, the CW really wants to be a young women's network. In spite of Smackdown getting good ratings for the CW, it's among the lowest ad revenue-generating shows on television due to the historical perception of wrestling's audience. It figures that they would go after the more lucrative market when all is said and done. Four words, dude (or dudess Smiley) - "America's Next Top Model"...there's the CW's demographic in a nutshell... Andrea I was never a fan of the CW logo anyways... Why did they allow Smackdown to go to MYNetworkTV? If I remember right wasn't that one of CW's highest rated shows? Correct, it was also the highest UPN show too, but it really isn't a CW show, nor was it a UPN show. WWE simply bought time on the network, similar to the way infomercials buy time. And while a rating is a rating, it doesn't show that the CW (nor UPN before it) has any ability to create new programs capable of getting ratings If anyone tied in with CheapChannel is involved, their doing more number-crunching than this... Actually, anything CC does turns into fecal matter, at least in Atlanta (take a look at the Atlanta radio board, and you will quickly see). Zell wants out of the CW deal...plain and simple. He doesn't want to pay for programming with no ratings. He is starting with local station rebranding, that way they are prepared for the minute he can get out of paying for the CW. Expect CW programming to be dropped at a moments notice (and I mean a moment...the day the press release is issued that night there will be local programming on the affected stations). I suspect the lawsuit pending involving KSWB/San Diego's switch to Fox will play a key factor in when and if. And yes...that will spell the end of the CW. There is no other station in most of these markets that the CW can go to (at least if the want to be in prime time). It is not the CW itself that will be responsible for the downfall of the network...it will be Tribune and Sam Zell. I don't think Tribune will switch a bunch of their stations over to My Network TV though. I think they may just go back to being independent stations. I think the numbers I just mentioned show that they can probably make that work pretty well for themselves. They likely won't switch ALL of their stations to MyNetwork TV, but they'll gladly and gleefully take it wherever they can get it just the same though.

As for ruining KWGN's heritage, it was ruined when it signed on with the now-defunct The WB network back in the 1990s. As such, switching to either FOX or MyNetwork TV wouldn't do anything to change this. JMO... Cheers Cheesy Pat The drawback to this for KWGN would be they would be stuck with MyNetwork TV in the deal And KWGN, a station with strong market heritage, could conceivably become a very strong independent TV station if it ends up parting ways with the CW (or if the CW folds). Why weaken that heritage with the crap that fills most of MNTV? With KDVR sold to LocalTV from Fox, Fox might look to target KWGN and get out from KDVR. I know that the deal was incumbent on every station sold by Fox to LocalTV staying with Fox for double-digit years, but Denver's a unique situation where a switch might be possible for the right price. Well....Two things.... 1). It seems as though KDVR has acquired the MNF OTA broadcast rights for this season in which the Broncos are on (I would presume they've done the same with NFL Network games on Thursday & Saturday Nights as well, though we'll find out when they play Cleveland later this year to find out) 2). I don't believe FOX will actually buy KWGN (Though I wouldn't completely rule it out either), they could probably persuade Tribune to affiliate KWGN with the FOX network though. JMO though.... Cheers Cheesy Pat It looks like WTTV in Indianapolis has also gotten into this game. Some promos are referring to the station as "Indiana's Four", not "CW Four". But some still say CW Four. I didn't notice a bug at all when I was watching this weekend. WTTV is also a Tribune station. And its duopoly sister station is a FOX affiliate. I don't think it would take much to switch FOX to WTTV if Tribune really wants to. JMO though.... Cheers Cheesy Pat I thought the Tribune didn't switch the VHF to FOX because the transmitter of WTTV is in Bloomington (or somewhere around there) and they have to use a repeater to get full coverage north of Indianapolis? That's why I said if they WANTED to..... Cheers Cheesy

Pat FOX will stay at 59. The combination of and WTTV/WTTK does not have the same signal presence as WXIN does in portions of the market. WTTK-DT 29 will transmit from the same tower as WXIN-DT, so the two should end up with the same coverage. Then 4 will just be extra people who can see it on top of that. I would not be surprised to see Fox end up on WTTV/WTTK. - Trip WTXX is still using the CW 20 logo. I thought they would've switched to the TXX-TV" logo by now. Update to this thread: The "TXX" brand debuted on air September 26th. Good riddens to that ugly CW logo! Grin http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,110238.0.html www.wtxx.com Well, folks, it's official: Breaking news from the New York Daily News, which shares its building with WPIX: The channel will indeed be dropping the "CW" branding later this year! http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/10/28/2008-1028_ch_11_drops_cw_tag_and_goes_back_to_wpix.html The article says "the station began teasing a new logo over the weekend and will continue to do so until the transition is complete by year's end." And check out the spin control from the station's GM: "WPIX is part of New York, WPIX is New York... Along the way we may have kind of forgotten that." Here's a direct link to the new logo: http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/28/amd_11.jpg And with KWGN and KDVR now teaming up together via LMA, anything is possible at this point. What will be most interesting to see is which station they stick the LOCAL Election Night coverage on. I can't see them putting it on KDVR 31 as FOX would want them to air national coverage from Fox News. That only leaves KWGN as the only logical choice to put the local coverage on IMO. That said, you can bet they're gonna put the combined forces of the two news departments to use on that night. Just my opinion..... Cheers Smiley Why is NBC showing the 40 Year Old Virgin instead of the NFL next week? Al Michaels mentioned tonight that their "bye week" for the season is this coming week. Anyone know why NBC is showing a movie instead of an NFL game next Sunday? Most likely to not compete against the World Series on Fox. ABC used to do this with Monday Night football as well. I recalled ESPN doing the same as well, when they had the Sunday night games -- in this case,

they would put the game on Thursday instead. Off topic joke, but me thinks this week's NBC SNF game should have been Lions at Texans. A crappy matchup for a network full of crappy shows. Yeah, NBC has been taking the Sunday World Series night off since getting the package. The make-up game for this is the Thursday Night season opener. Most likely to not compete against the World Series on Fox. ABC used to do this with Monday Night football as well. I don't recall, in recent memory, a World Series game on a Monday night. The old format was Sat/Sun, Tue/Wed/Thu (if nec), Sat/Sun (if nec). This year, a potential Game 5 will take place on a Monday night, yet ESPN has a game scheduled: 3-3 Indianapolis at undefeated (6-0) Tennessee. MLB changed the start date for the WS last year, moving to a Wed/Thu, Sat/Sun/Mon, Wed/Thu formula in an effort to boost TV ratings and to avoid competing with college and NFL games two weekends in a row. The WS started on a Wednesday prior to 2007 but not since the early 20th century. Regarding those TV ratings, expect a Rays-Phils series to be an all time low. Most likely to not compete against the World Series on Fox. ABC used to do this with Monday Night football as well. ABC in the final few years didn't schedule a Monday Night game on the last week of the season. Usually it was meaningless, and it didn't help if a playoff-bound team was scheduled. Sunday Night Football could actually beat the World Series in the ratings this year. And that's coming from a huge Rays fan. Roll Eyes Coming off the fact that Seattle vs Tampa was the lowest rated NBC Sunday night game so far and that Game 7 of Boston vs Tampa was the highest rated baseball game in cable TV history (13.35 million viewers, I think). Saturday's World Series game was the lowest-rated ever (the 10:06 PM ET start didn't help), averaging just above a 6 rating nationally. Ratings were, of course, much higher in Philadelphia and Tampa, and the game did better (I think in the 9s) on the West Coast, where most of the game aired in prime time. This is, if I'm not mistaken, the second game in this World Series to run past 1 AM in the East. No wonder people are tuning out. Although I'd like to see the Rays come back, having lived in Tampa, I'd also like to see the Series end and won't cry if the Phillies finish it off tonight. ESPN Radio host Colin Cowherd is wrong about a lot of things, but the start time of the World Series is one thing he's been absolutely right on. Start the game no later than 8pm ET (if not earlier) and tell Fox to stuff its primetime concerns in a sack. CBS and NBC stations can handle odd start times with both March Madness and the Olympic games. What's Fox's excuse?

What's Fox's excuse? They don't broadcast games, they broadcast "events". This is hardly a new development. The game doesn't matter. After all, you can get the score online or on the radio when you wake up tomorrow. What matters is how many teases for the regular schedule they can hype, how many Fox Network stars can be found in the crowd, how many people can receive free tacos. Hmm, time to map out my Tuesday Taco run. I have heard it mentioned that the next "bubble" to collapse could be sports/marketing/hype. First the dot.coms, then housing, then banking. Next, sports. After all, the reason Fox does "events" is partly because the sports industry has such huge costs/revenue streams. They pay oodles of money and the only way to recoup it in a country with 400 channels is to make it an "event", with all the "extras". Fox is based in Los Angeles, not New York. They seem to care more about being seen in LA than in the east. Haven't all the previous World Series' started at around 8:30 PM ET - even those involving the Yankees and Red Sox? Hopefully the Phillies will put this to bed tonight. It's been a good series, but Joe Buck couldn't possibly act more bored. I'd love to see the WS go back to NBC - at least they could make Al Michaels the play-by-play man (Can John Madden do baseball? Grin ). March Madness (at least through the Final 16) runs all day and half the night. IIRC, the NCAA Tournament finals started at 8 PM ET. But basketball games are shorter than football or baseball (2 vs. 3 hours), so they end at a decent hour. Plus, there are no rain delays. And the less said about NBC's Olympic coverage, the better - even considering the time-zone challenges that come with the territory in China. Should be better (and more east coast-friendly) in London in '12. Now we have a first: a World Series game suspended on account of rain. Last night's game is scheduled to resume tonight with the score tied in the bottom of the sixth. As for March Madness, it's only in the early rounds that you get coverage all afternoon and all evening, but (and I guess I'm saying this because I live in a basketball-crazy state) there's always the possibility of a surprise--who would have predicted that Davidson would go as far as it did last year--and the announcers rarely seem bored, at least to me. And nobody could do baseball like NBC. Harry Coyle, the longtime director, knew how to present the game on television. Al Michaels would be a perfect play-byplay announcer (didn't he do games on ABC), although I don't know who should do color. Yes, Al Michaels did indeed cover baseball for ABC Sports. In fact, he and Tim McCarver were doing the pregame for game 3 of the 1989 World Series when the earthquake struck at 8:04 PM eastern. Al also called the 1988 All-Star Game for ABC. I have no clue who would call the games with him. It definitely will NOT be John Madden. (LOL)

Presidential Debate - why carry it on all networks? In my metro area there are five network TV stations carrying the debate as well as MSNBC and there may be others I don't know about. My question is.....why? Other than the obvious reason that network stations do not want to appear unpatriotic what is the purpose of showing the identical program on every station? Are there really any metro areas in this country who do not have access to at least the "Big 4" or at least PBS? Is there any valid reason why the networks cannot rotate this type of coverage similar to what's done in the sporting world? Here in Hartford is gonna air live on WFSB (CBS), WVIT (NBC), WTNH (ABC), and WEDH (PBS). FOX 61 WTIC-TV is gonna carry it on delay tape after their news ends because they're showing the Yankees take on the Redsox. Right now it's raining in Boston so they may end up showing the debate live. I never could understand, except the networks see it as a segway into their own news commentary that happens after the debates. I guess it's like the mean nasty old lady that lived in my building. No one liked her, no one was sorry she died but we all went to the wake, and no really knows why we did Smiley Let me back up and remind everyone of all the people who complain when Fox doesn't run the political conventions each year. This simply because Fox is off the air by the time the big speeches hit at 9pm Central. Now, Fox is on the air at 8pm when this debate takes place and they're going to run it. The same is true of the State Of The Union address. The reality is that you could put the debates, political conventions and State Of The Union address on just PBS and reach almost every viewer who wants to watch it. However, the network that refused to air the debate would be subjected to no end of ridicule by competitors and viewers who somehow feel slighted by it. That's why it's on all the channels. I'm just guessing that perhaps license renewal considerations might also have something to do with it. Stations are supposed to be serving "the public interest", and maybe they're concerned that if they're the only station in a market that didn't show a presidential debate, that Friendly Cousin Charlie might raise his eyebrows at renewal time. Just guessing. ...because this is a 500 channel universe today, and all the networks need to transfer attention over to sister stations that are not covering the debate. Channels with programming that eveyone ignores. There must be some wishful thinking that this debate is giving better ratings to failing networks. OR they honestly believe the debate is the only choice for ratings, no matter what airs.

Television is, after all, a business before it can be anything else. Actually, this debate is NOT carried on all networks--The CW just finished airing it's final Smackdown, and Celebrity Expose was on My Network TV I don't think most people consider CW or My Network actual 'networks' in the formal sense and the two programs you list are probably a good reason why. They are more like independents with access to a few common programs. Neither is worth watching in my area and that was long before CW was on life support. A "Segway" is that funny-looking two-wheeled motorized scooter thingy. I don't think Brian Williams is riding one of those tonight. Wink A "segue" is a transition, and that's what the networks are after - these are high-profile events, and CBS wants to make sure Katie and Bob and the rest of the team are prominently featured before and after the debate, in hopes that more people will see them there and it will boost their ratings in their normal time slots. Same thing for ABC and NBC. Fox is a little different, inasmuch as it has no network news department of its own - but it's sure good publicity for FNC. ... rotate this type of coverage similar to what's done in the sporting world? Not even remotely analogous. Sports programming -- like the NFL or MLB playoffs -- isn't "rotated." It's specifically contracted by the league and networks. The Super Bowl doesn't actually rotate among networks. Fox [as an example] has a detailed contract to air the Super Bowl in specific years that happen to be three years apart. That contract is entirely separate from the NFL contracts with CBS, NBC and Disney, which are all also distinct from one another. If Fox were to fold amid the current financial crisis, for instance, the NFL would not change the "rotation" of the Super Bowl with the remaining networks; it would put all of the parts of Fox's contract back up for bids. It's not even apples and oranges; it's apples and orangutans. I've always thought that if a network/channel were to air the debate, you'd already have people watching the debate who were watching the programming that aired before. It's convenient, people don't need to change channels to watch it. There's always a lot of interest in the presidential debates. It would be smart programming to air the debate, even if it is on every other channel. It's like a programmer of a radio station once told me. If I'm airing a show and the station 30 miles down the road is airing it also, and I have just as go0d of a signal in that town, even if only 5 people are listening to that show, I want those 5 listeners. It it's just a small number of viewers that could be gained from airing the debate, don't you think that every network executive wants to have access to every last viewer? Our local CW station here in San Diego actually carried the debate which kind of surprised me. Did the debate location provide a pool feed and anyone that wanted to could carry it? This is a good question, and i assume since the political campaign is a news event ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, and Fox have a obligation to broadcast this, but since the cable news channels MSNBC, CNN, and the Fox News Channel carry them as well, maybe the idea of rotating debate coverage would be a good move, not all viewers want to watch the same thing, and if i recall, back in the 1970's before cable took off, they did rotate debates, maybe after this year, this idea will be discussed, and with the changing technology, by 2012, webcasting could play a bigger role. I don't think most people consider CW or My Network actual 'networks' in the formal sense and the

two programs you list are probably a good reason why. They are more like independents with access to a few common programs. Neither is worth watching in my area and that was long before CW was on life support. Technically, I believe CW/MyNet are classified as "program services" by the FCC. For that matter, I'm pretty sure FOX is in the same boat...by their own choice, as officially being recognized as a "network" puts them in a new category for a lot of things. To the public, it's basically semantics. You are wrong. ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS have always all carried the debates. Do remember that there was a debate in 1960, but there wasn't another one until 1976. That was the year Gerald Ford threw down the demand to debate during his speech at the GOP convention after beating Ronald Reagan for the nomination. Carter agreed and they also agreed to a Vice Presidential debate. It's been that way ever since. Carter actually refused to participate in one of the 1980 debates because the organizers had agreed to invite independent John Anderson. Reagan and Anderson debated and it sank Anderson's numbers in the polls. I think the debates are usually worthless. I thought the debate last night was pretty good. I would also like to see the debate commission change their rules to include all candidates who are on the ballot in all 50 states+DC. It would remove the variability of polling numbers (the debate commission will invite 3rd party/independents if they're at 15% in the polls) from the selection process. I always thought part of the reason for running these political things (debates, speeches, etc.) on multiple channels is that there are people who are so remotely located - and only use rabbit ears or a roof antenna -that can only get one channel on their TV's... Or maybe, they get one channel "pretty good" and another one or two really crappy. Since you didn't specify who your target was I will assume it is me. I was asking the question more from a technical aspect than a political one. Unlike the "old days" it seems today there are very, very few areas of the country, if any, not served by OTA/cable/sat TV. And even if you are not a cable/sat customer most OTA stations have tons of repeaters making coverage almost universal even in remote areas. In this day and age it seems technical overkill to have the same program, no matter what kind, carried by every major network in all markets. Now, to address your other comment.....I don't consider people wanting to watch something other than a repetition of major talking points (a so-called 'debate') "stupid". There has been virtually 24/7 coverage of this presidential election from day one. There is at least one cable/sat service dedicated to such coverage. It is virtually impossible to ignore it except perhaps by leaving your dial set on TVLand. I did watch most of the debate myself and agree with the majority analysis that it revealed nothing new about either candidate and was largely a waste of time. It is possible for a citizen to perform his/her civic duty by becoming informed on the issues and candidates in other ways. Most responders to this thread understood the intent of the original post and good points were made. From a technical standpoint, you're quite correct. Each of the "big three," and PBS as well, has something like 99% population coverage of the US. Fox isn't far behind.

But as noted earlier in the thread, the networks offer debate coverage as more than just a public service. It's an important promotional opportunity for their hotly competitive news divisions, and needs to be seen in that light as well. Each network has a news organization. Just as your local radio and TV stations that have news departments want the local viewer or listener to tune in to their specific station as the local source for breaking news in their local area, etc., so do the networks. They each want you to think of their branded network news department as the place to tune in for breaking news. Most folks do have a network they prefer to get their news from and for these debates those who faithfully watch ABC news will tune into ABC's coverage, those who get their news from Fox News Channel will tune into the Fox News Channel for the debate coverage, etc. So besides the public service aspect of it, there's also money to be made from the news department of your local station as well as the network news department. Late Sunday Night/Early Monday Morning TV Sign-Offs I remember a time when even 24 Hour TV Stations would still sign off Late Sundays/Early Mondays. It used to be a standard for all TV Stations. I am guessing it was for weekly maintenence? In Northern California in the 1970's, I knew of only 2 TV Stations that stayed on the air Late Sunday Nights/Early Mondays: KNTV Channel 11-San Jose and KEMO Channel 20-San Francisco for ALL NIGHT MOVIES. While KEMO signed off by 6:AM ( a little later when they started airing STOCK MARKET REPORTS), KNTV was a then rare 24/7 TV Station. Soon after KEMO was sold by Leon Crosby to Jim Gabbert, Gabbert continued the ALL NIGHT MOVIES on LATE SUNDAY NIGHTS/EARLY SUNDAY MORNINGS with himself as host of THE SLEAZEY ARMS. Then in 1982, CBS debuted a CBS NEWS NIGHTWATCH on LATE SUNDAYS/EARLY MONDAY MORNINGS. Now very few stations sign off at all. KHOU (CBS) Houston does a ceremonial sign-off for about 15 minutes on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Big stick, big city radio stations generally signed off at midnight on Sunday for transmitter maintenance as late as the late 60s. There's an aircheck of Larry Lujack on WLS from late December of 1968 where he mentions that the station will be on all Sunday night instead of signing off so they can continue counting down the Big 89 of 1968. I can remember WOWO signing off at midnight on Sunday as late as the late 70s. I think WNET-13 here in NYC still signs off late Sunday night-early Monday morning for a couple of hours. Over the air WEDH/24 CPTV still signs off at Midnight 7 days a week. They remain on the air on cable with CPTV All Night. Sometimes instead of the regular CPTV logo their logo during the CPTV All Night programming would say WEDW 49 Bridgeport, CT. (WEDW is the CPTV station in Fairfield County). This is not available on DIRECT TV or DISH NETWORK. Both have colors bars with a black bar and white letters that read WEDH Please Stand By. I remember when WJR had "Night Flight 76" with Jay Roberts and once a month or so they would sign off on Sundays for maintenance so it would be a short "flight" like say detroit to columbus so they could sign-off at midnight. I wish someone had nightflight airchecks to listen to on the net. Those were the days. Donny G Grin A couple of stations in Raleigh still sign off Sunday nights for a couple hours, or did a couple years ago. I think it was WRAZ Fox 50, and maybe WRDC MyRDC 28, and CW22 (they used to be WLFL but

they might have changed call letters). This conjures up memories of my late '60s college days in Iowa when the only TV after midnight was the local NBC affiliate, which put on Alfred Hitchcock reruns after Johnny Carson ended. (Thus keeping them on the air until 12:30). The Tribune stations in Indianapolis often still power down for a few hours on Sunday night/Monday morning. About twice a month, either WTTV-4 and/or WXIN-59 will go dark. The television stations of Maine Public Broadcasting Network all sign off air at 1AM 7 days a week; although they are on all night on local Bangor-area Time-Warner cable system, I don't know about other cable systems around Maine. Check their website for calls/channels and coverage areas. www.mpbn.net Mississippi Public Broadcasting (MPB) still does its signoff on late Sunday nights on over the air and cable. US Open Men's Final not broadcast locally? WTSP, the CBS affiliate in Tampa-St. Pete, decided not to run the US Open Men's Final Monday afternoon, opting instead for Dr. Phil and the news...thereby picking hundreds of phone calls from p-o'd tennis fans instead of hundreds of phone calls from p-o'd Dr. Phil fans! http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/09/angry-area-tenn.html Supposedly as many as 10 percent of CBS affiliates went the same way... any similar stories from elsewhere in the country? Listening to a national sports radio show, one of the callers mentioned that in Greensboro, North Carolina, WFMY (which like WTSP, is owned by Gannett) didn't carry the men's final either, opting for regular programming (reruns of the Andy Griffith Show and news). Here in Madison, WISC-TV3's analog signal aired Oprah and news as previously scheduled (with an extended Live at Five when the CBS Evening News would've aired). The US Open broadcast aired on their digital subchannel, MyMadison 14 (Channel 3.2, in standard definition). However, HD viewers watching WISC's main digital channel, 3.1 (either on cable or over-the-air), saw the US Open rather than the local programming that analog viewers saw. Unlike MyMadison 14, the Channel 3.1 broadcast aired a clean hi-def feed from CBS, without any local commercial breaks. Indianapolis's WISH-TV dumped the US Open coverage off to duopoly parter WNDY Channel 3 in Hartford aired the tennis match, blowing out their local news. Angry Marc? Did their "CBS 3" service for Springfield, MA (WFSB-DT 3-2) air the tennis? I was at work and never put the TVs on anything with an antenna since the weather wasn't an issue here (greater Hartford) on Monday. In Charleston, SC, WCSC aired the final, blowing out all the local newscasts, but Charleston is a big tennis market, with the Family Circle Cup every year. They aired their 6pm news online, which was the first time that they had ever done that, but it worked.

Here in Madison, WISC-TV3's analog signal aired Oprah and news as previously scheduled (with an extended Live at Five when the CBS Evening News would've aired)...HD viewers watching WISC's main digital channel, 3.1 (either on cable or over-the-air), saw the US Open rather than the local programming that analog viewers saw...[T]he Channel 3.1 broadcast aired a clean hi-def feed from CBS, without any local commercial breaks. Fort Myers CBS affiliate WINK TV did the same. Same in Milwaukee; WDJT pushed it off to their low power sister WMLW-LP because they had to premiere The Doctors at 4pm. Listening to a national sports radio show, one of the callers mentioned that in Greensboro, North Carolina, WFMY (which like WTSP, is owned by Gannett) didn't carry the men's final either, opting for regular programming (reruns of the Andy Griffith Show and news). WFMY did put the tennis match on its digital channel. It was an unpopular decision (after all, the Andy Griffith episode was the umpteenth rerun of Andy and Barney's high school reunion), but g.m. Deborah Hooper felt the regular schedule of news at 5 and Andy at 5:30 would do better than tennis. She may be right; the tennis averaged a 1.9 overnight rating nationally. WDBJ Roanoke, VA, also opted for Andy over the tennis match, so the only one of three CBS affiliates I can pick up, WRAL Raleigh, carried tennis on its analog channel. The main issue in all of this was the fact that if they aired the match, they would have had to preempt local 6 PM newscasts to do so. That would have led viewers to go to the competition...and in some instances never to come back. Syndicated programming does not sound like an issue (I believe affiliates can reschedule it unlike network programming)...just the news. It is unusual for a network to preempt during 6 PM newstime on a weekday outside of a holiday (Noontime and 5 PM newscasts often get the boot for weekday events, but never the 6 PM news). Speaking of which...what did these stations do to fill in the 6:30 PM half-hour that Katie Couric would have been on? In the case of WRAL...they have a 24/7 HD newschannel they could direct viewers too for 6 PM news (I don't know what they did). Most other stations do not. This may make a better argument for affiliates to add a second subchannel to guarantee network clearances. I'm going to slightly disagree with you... I started this thread by citing an article from the St. Pete Times http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/09/angry-area-tenn.html#comments, and the CBS affiliate down here pretty much admitted that their decision was Dr. Phil-related, not news-based. WTSP's sister station here in Atlanta, WXIA, has had no problem with preempting Dr. Baldhead for NBC when needed, they have just simply aired the show at 3 PM the next day. (At least WXIA now has a sister, WATL, to pawn programming onto). It is a bad situation either way. In the case of when WGCL preempts (Ellen in this case), they air the show at 2:35 AM (WGCL has a 4 PM newscast). Preemption-king WSB-TV (which is preempting for one hour of primetime for two nights this week) and no-preemption WAGA have done 7 PM newscasts when the network needs the time. 95% of the preemptions were done on the basis of the 6 PM news. WTSP management might say

otherwise (a "soundbite" for the newspaper). But Dr. Baldhead might be a popular draw in Tampa (enough to cause concern for WTSP - no one knew that Katie Couric was #1 in nearby Ft. Myers until recently). Apparently, KHOU [11] sent The US Open Men's final match over to KTBU [55] in Houston. Channel 11 was committed to show "The Doctors" & "Oprah" , and its was also carried on Channel 11.2 [A High-Def Channel] and also on Comcast as well. KYW-TV in Philadelphia did air the Men's final that caused the season premiere of Dr. Phil from 5-6 PM, news from 6-7 PM, ET/Insider from 7-8 PM not to air. WLKY in Louisville aired the tennis game on the HD channel with local news on the NTSC channel. Get ready to see more of this, and with the federal gub'ment giving away HD converter boxes, there's no reason to be bitching about it. Either upgrade to HD or get left behind. WTSP in Tampa caters almost exclusively to females 25-54. I'm surprised they still cover male sports, period. Well, KYW aired it because it is an owned and operated station by CBS, and all CBS O and O's are required to air almost everything the network carries. The stations in Charleston are preemption-friendly, as they do move shows to open timeslots later in the week. My channel 2 only preempts for the Carolina Children's Charity telethon (eight hours on a Sunday in March), a very important local event that has been in existence for over 20 years. WCSC preempts primetime shows (mostly repeats) for Billy Graham, but they have done it for most of their history. They also preempted the Labor Day airing of the U.S. Open for the Jerry Lewis telethon, moving it to one of their local cable channels. They used to do much more, preempting primetime for College of Charleston basketball games (back when they were getting popular), the Midnight Basketball League, and stuff like mayoral debates. WCIV is the worst at it now, with a preemption at least twice a month, for local specials hosted by the main news anchors, hurricane specials (like most in this part of the nation), St. Jude's Hospital, and even infomercials for a local spine institute, basically 30 minutes of PR. Marc? Did their "CBS 3" service for Springfield, MA (WFSB-DT 3-2) air the tennis? I was at work and never put the TVs on anything with an antenna since the weather wasn't an issue here (greater Hartford) on Monday. Not sure. I don't have an HDTV so I wouldn't be able to tell you. I think it was all just a case of bad timing with the beginning of the syndication season. You go past the Eastern Time Zone and into Central and Mountain and move into 4pm in those time zones, you run into CBS stations carrying Oprah's premiere with not only the Olympic medalists, but in HD, along with "Dr. Phil", "ET" and "The Insider" in that format, and the premieres of "The Doctors", "Bonnie Hunt" and "Deal or No Deal". You pre-empt that first episode of the season/ever, you lose all your momentum to get the viewer stuck at 5pm on your news, and then you get the whining from the viewers via the phone that Oprah was pre-empted, along with the stink eye from the syndicator because you forever cursed "The Doctors" to low ratings. It was short-sighted if a station had to push tennis off, definitely, but it's one of those situations were either way, you're angering someone. I think CBS should've just pre-empted their primetime and aired the match then like with the women's final (although CBS airs the men's final on Sunday afternoon specifically because they claim the women's final always outdraws the men's), or push it

to USA as a last hurrah for that network (although then you would have got WWE pre-emption grief involved if they went into lengthy tiebreakers past 9pm). Cleveland market CBS affiliate WOIO/19 also bumped the tennis match...to digital subchannel 19.2, aka "WeatherNow". For whatever reason (more syndicated premieres?), it did NOT move it to sister MyNetwork TV affiliate WUAB/43, a full power analog and digital station with wide coverage. I'm just guessing, without looking at the schedule, that they didn't want to pre-empt the opening day of new syndication on WUAB, either. WOIO added a half-hour of "19 Action News" to fill for the missing Katie Couric. This isn't the first time WOIO has aired programming on "WeatherNow" aside from the continuous weather forecast/radar loop...they have aired a couple of funeral services for notable local members of the community, programming it as basically live news overflow for the main channel. I'm pretty sure this is the first time they've bumped a CBS offering to 19.2, though. After a deluge of complaints, WFMY ran the U.S. Open men's final on tape yesterday--five days after the event--on its regular Channel 2 as lead-in to the Georgia-South Carolina game. Did CBS offer the replay to its affiliates at 12:30 (ET)? That's when WFMY carried it. It was short-sighted if a station had to push tennis off, definitely, but it's one of those situations were either way, you're angering someone. I think CBS should've just pre-empted their primetime and aired the match then like with the women's final (although CBS airs the men's final on Sunday afternoon specifically because they claim the women's final always outdraws the men's), or push it to USA as a last hurrah for that network (although then you would have got WWE pre-emption grief involved if they went into lengthy tiebreakers past 9pm). Personally I think they should've shuttled it off onto the Tennis Channel (Especially since USA Network is owned by NBC Universal) and called it a year. But alas, TPTB at CBS didn't.... JMHO though.... Cheers Cheesy Pat After a deluge of complaints, WFMY ran the U.S. Open men's final on tape yesterday--five days after the event--on its regular Channel 2 as lead-in to the Georgia-South Carolina game. Did CBS offer the replay to its affiliates at 12:30 (ET)? That's when WFMY carried it. WTSP in Tampa ran it at noon ET Saturday. http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=89477 Channel 3 in Hartford aired the tennis match, blowing out their local news. Angry

Yea plus ET was prempted. Sign offs A few posers for Y'all. 1. Do any stations sign off anymore instead of 24/7 broadcast? 2. When you sign off is it a requirement to do the National Anthem? I think it is really nice whether it is a requirement or not. Mainly PBS stations like WPBA/Atlanta and WETA/Washington (but WETA remains on cable/satellite while the OTA signal is off). A couple of stations in Tupelo, MS sign off overnights (but place a doppler radar image on screen). No formal sign-off announcement or SSB is required, just visual display (or audio announcement) of your callsign and COL in some fashion (Same for TOH ID requirements). And yes, showing the SSB would show that the station cares about their country. Some stations DO sign off, maybe only once a week. NO - the Star Spangled Banner is NOT a requirement, not even the call letters aree required. WYIN, licensed to Gary Indiana signs off anywhere from 11pm - 3am, depending on what they have scheduled throughout the day. At both sign on and sign off, they do their announcement with the WYIN call letters, channel 56 (Not sure if they mention channel 17 like they do with the hourly ID) Gary Indiana for the COL. They go on about being owned by Lakeshore Broadcasting and blah blah blah. They also show their transmitter site, from ground up, being in Cedar Lake Indiana, and having a ERP of 1350kw. Lastly, they'll either say We begin our broadcast day, then might show some astronomy short. At signoff, they'll say We conclude our broadcast day, then play the Star Spangled Banner, then either show the multi-colored bars on the screen, or just shutoff transmission signal from the studios. WYIN has a sub channel that airs PBS Create, a home improvement channel to compete with HGTV & DIY, and that runs 24/7. WFBT-CA on 48 is about the only Chicago station that signs off, and they usually signoff at 2 or 3am. I don't know when they sign on though. I remember when the WFBT-CA call letters were on 23, they would do the ID, then shutoff transmission. I get WFBT-CA on WCIU's subchannel on HDTV. WCIU occasionally signs off, and that's only if they're doing work on the Sears Tower to their antenna, or if they can't get enough infomercials to fill the overnight hours. Other than those 2 in the Chicago market, TV stations are on 24/7. Quite a few stations still sign off at night. As mentioned above, the only thing reqiured by the FCC is a visual/audio ID before sign-off. Before they went 24/7, WCVE-TV in Richmond would just have a quick slide with their station ID's and translators. Very simple. But, many stations "sign off". However, they will often keep their transmitter running, as it's way too costly to replace a soon-to-be antiquated analog transmitter about two years before it signs off for good. A good example of stations that still sign off can be found at www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/signoff Radio-X

WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 of Hartford technically signs its over-the-air signal off around midnight (ET). They're 24/7 on Comcast here in New Britain and in Hartford. During the evenings and overnights, the QAM tuner in my TV receives PBS-HD with the CPTV (Connecticut Public Television) bug in the upper left the whole time. NOTE: WEDH-DT is not on the air yet. Their Norwich station does have WEDN-DT on. Here in Pittsburgh, WQED, the PBS affiliate, still signs off at around midnight. I don't know of any PBS station that's on the air 24/7. I believe Fox 53 still goes down at around 2am. Over in Johnstown, NBC affiliate WJAC goes down for about two or three hours daily. These stations all play the national anthem before they shut down. Yeah and apparently their overnight programming originates at WEDW Channel 49 in Bridgeport. The overnight logo says CPTV and underneath that it says WEDW/49 DT 52 Bridgeport. KETC St. Louis operates 24-7 along with its 3 HD Subchannels. Surprised to see that such large market PBS affiliates don't broadcast 24 hours a day; KETC has since the early 90s. Thanks everyone. It has been very interesting reading the responses. Another question. If you are affiliated with one of the networks (ABC/CBS/NBC/ Fox-ie with a news department) what happens if there is a severe weather event during the time between sign off and sign on? That questions pertains to now and in the past when most stations signed off after Midnight. In Green Bay, WBAY will sign off Saturday nights, and WPNE (PBS) will sign off in the early morning, unless it's running educational shows schools can tape for later use. (Maybe not coincidental, but they share the same tower and transmitter building) Yes, KLEW-TV (Channel 3/CBS) in Lewiston, Idaho goes off the air every night. They go off the air after the Late, Late Show around 1:40am and 2am on weekends! Here in Gulfport, MS WMAH-TV 19 (city of license is Biloxi), part of Miss. Public Broadcasting (MPB), signs off Sunday nights after midnight. The announcer, however still says Miss. ETV during the signoffs and and ons. Huh The cable company down here carries WPMI-TV 15 (NBC) Mobile/Pensacola because of the poor signal of WDSU out of New Orleans. But anyway they signoff on Sunday nights from 2:30 AM to 4:30 AM (Used to be from 3 to 5 AM) They just leave their weather doppler radar up. I have a Yahoo group devoted to signoffs. You can also discuss them there and upload video and audio files of signoffs and/or signons, Always looking for more video files. If stations stilll still sign off in your area and you are able to upload one, you can join. Of course, if you can't you can also join and discuss about signoffs http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/USTVSignoffs/ 333 members and growing! A few posers for Y'all. 1. Do any stations sign off anymore instead of 24/7 broadcast?

2. When you sign off is it a requirement to do the National Anthem? I think it is really nice whether it is a requirement or not. 1. Yes. In Duluth, MN, KQDS-21 and WDSE-8 still sign off nightly. KQDS's sign-off is around 12 1 am; if I remember correctly, they simply cut to a set of color bars with "KQDS FOX 21" superimposed, and then shut off the transmitter (though their translators stay on with the color bars). WDSE-8's sign-off seems to be around the same time. Can't remember what they do haven't seen it for awhile. Their digital on 38 also goes off, while KQDS-DT's (annoyingly!) stays on. 2. I don't think so. *iF Im NOT MISTAKEN* at least, each TV station, once a week, on their various days,respectively, "sign off" as far as radio, (AM) some/"Most" did, but now "flip a switch" and carry... all nite programming which is usually close to the format ( IE: espn-radio; current talk show formats/hosts, etc)... A few posers for Y'all. 1. Do any stations sign off anymore instead of 24/7 broadcast? 2. When you sign off is it a requirement to do the National Anthem? I think it is really nice whether it is a requirement or not. 1. Several, including WPBA (PBS) Atlanta. However, they continue to feed programming for cable customers. Most do not sign off anymore (if you are not a major network affiliate, there is gold in that paid programming). 2. There is no requirement to play the national anthem (unlike in Mexico). They did it initally because they were patriotic regardless of their political affiliations. It basically evolved into a tradition of American broadcasting, which is why it is being done by some stations that do sign off today. Le Societe Radio-Canada (French CBC) still signs off nightly. Also, the Knowledge Network (in B.C.) and SCN (in Saskatchewan) still sign off but they now run an endless promo loop (prior to that, Knowledge Network ran a card that listed the website address and played some quiet music all night, while SCN ran an endless crawl promoting what was coming up on their schedule, and also played some music all night). TVOntario used to sign off nightly but is now a 24/7 station, and just the second English-language provincial educational service to do so. (Alberta's ACCESS was the first, although it is owned by CTV (it used to be government-owned) and runs infomercials overnight.) Also, I think the Maine Public Broadcasting Network still signs off nightly. To the original topic: Here in Greensboro area no TV station shuts down overnight. UNC-TV did but they went 24/7 some time ago. Can't remember what they shut down to now. Since I'm from UK, you'd be interested to know that BBC 2 still has a "shutdown" at weekends switching into Ceefax rather than a test card or blank screens. Technically all BBC domestic stations "shut down" because except for the BBC News channel none are 24 hours. BBC One

switches to the BBC News Channel, CBBC and BBC Three share a channel, CBeebies and BBC Four share a channel. BBC One used to shutdown at night and played the anthem but stopped in 1997. The only UK broadcast outlet to reguarly broadcast the national anthem at "shutdown" is BBC Radio 4 - and even then they switch to BBC World service at 1am until 5:30am when R4 reopens. As for the shutdown of analog broadcast ... I don't know how it is going to be handled. When they handled the 405 line monochrome shutdown in the UK they displayed captions telling viewers on XXX date transmissions will terminate, and even when programming did terminate a caption card was still broadcast for a few days later stating that programming had terminated. They didn't have an arbitary date to "turn off" their transmitters and they had 15 years to plan for the shutdown of 405. I would suspect that in the US the analog transmitter feeds will have captions on them coming close to the date and the vast majority of analog TV signals will not even fade to black; they'll be turned off and go straight to snow. Mark. I used to like it when I first go cable in 1982, I guess then the cable companies pulled the over the air stations from the air, cause when the stations would sign off you could see other stations on the channel For instance WYCC (PBS) Channel 20 would sign off and I could get WICS (NBC) Springfield. Or WBBM (CBS) Channel 2 would sign off and I'd get either channel 2 from Green Bay or Terre Haute. When WTTW (PBS) Channel 11 would sign off, I'd get KPLR (Ind) from St Louis. It was pretty cool One time, around the early-1980s (when we had Group W Cable here in Tampa Bay), after WUSF ch.16 closed down one night, we got WAPT ch.16 from Jackson, MS in its place. SMALL MARKETS WITH ONE STATION AND TWO MAJOR AFFILIATIONS This came out of the last thread, someone was talking about a small market with a station that had all 3 original major networs (CBS, NBC, ABC), which got me to thinking... It might be fun to list all the smallest markets still around that still carry one of the major networks (excluding Fox, CW or MNTV). Anyone? WAGM-TV channel 8 in Presque Isle, ME is now a CBS affiliate exclusively. They used to carry programs from NBC and ABC when they could. Even the occasional UPN show a few years ago. [They now carry FOX on WAGM-DT channel 8-2.] I believe the only remaining station in the country still carrying two or more of the big 4 on their analog channel is KXGN-TV (NBC/CBS) channel 5 of Glendive, MT, which is also the smallest DMA in the country. I think he is asking if there are still any stations carrying more than one of the original big three networks (excluding Fox in this instance). In other words, is WXXX cherry picking shows from all three networks in order to build their schedule. Wikipedia (take it for what you will) backs up KML-224's post: KXGN is a primary CBS, secondary NBC affiliate and the only one in the country to still be affiliated with two major (original) networks. If you include Fox (considered by most standards to be a full network) and the "netlets" (CW,

MNTV), the list grows longer especially with digital sub-channel availability in (nearly?) every market. KALB in Alexandria Louisiana has affiliations with NBC and CBS. It Airs NBC on its 5-1 digital channel and CBS on its 5-2 both in 1080i if you can imagine that. My understanding is that KALB-CBS is shown in 720p. Regardless, it still looks like crap from what I've heard. - Trip I still think the original poster wanted network sharing on a station's existing analog channel, not the networks on digital subchannels. The last time it happened in Hartford/New Haven was with WTNH-TV/DT channel 8/D 10 of New Haven. Channel 8 was/is a primary ABC affiliate. They aired the one-night WB block when that network signed on in 1995. It was tape-delayed to Saturday nights from 11:30 PM to 1:30 AM. WTVU-TV channel 59 would sign on that April. [Today they're WCTX-TV/DT (MY) channel 59/D 39.] Correct, we're talking Analogue here. Digital, when its fully enacted may significantly change the equation, but not yet... Regarding KXGN-TV, when they switch to digital, will they carry CBS on one channel and NBC on another? I would guess that, if they add any more subchannels there wouldn't be room for full HD programming It would seem that there is some question as to whether KXGN-TV will be able to make the digital transition at all. Ignoring FCC mandates, they have never built any type of digital transmitter. Now they are telling the FCC (via Trip's "Rabbit Ears" site) that they may request to be allowed to flash cut their analog transmitter (on channel 5) to digital, but they really haven't decided, they may yet build their digital on channel 10. I'd it's rather late in the game to be making that decision. Obviously, if they don't come up with some kind of digital TX in Feb 2008, they will sadly be history (unless the FCC gives them some kind of STA to stay on analog). But assuming they do go digital, I seriously doubt they'll be putting up any subchannels anytime soon. BTW, the full NBC schedule is available in Glendive via a translator on channel 13 for the Dickinson ND NBC affil Markets with most or complete affiliation changes ...well, since we're trying to find those that haven't changed any, how about market that have had nothing but affiliation changes? My opening example being Green Bay: WBAY-TV/2: CBS to ABC WFRV/5: ABC to NBC to ABC to CBS WLUK(WMBV)/11: NBC to ABC to NBC to Fox WIWB(WSCO, WPXG)/14: religious to PAX to WB to CW WGBA(WLRE)/26: independent to Fox to NBC WACY(WXGZ)/32: independent to Fox to dark to independent to UPN to MNTV In Phoenix: KTVK 3: ABC to WB to Ind KPHO 5: CBS to Ind to CBS KOOL/KTSP/KSAZ 10: ABC to CBS to Fox

KNXV 15: Ind/ONTV to Fox to ABC KPAZ 21: Ind to TBN KTVW 33: SIN to UNI1 KDTP/KTAZ 39: Day to TEL2 KUTP 45: Ind to UPN to MNTV KPPX 51: Pax to i to ION1 KASW 61: WB to CW Only KTYL/KVAR/KTAR/KPNX 12 (NBC) and KAET 8 (PBS) have never changed affiliations 1 - Network changed names 2 - Reflects intellectual unit. For actual licenses: KDTP 39 Phoenix became KDTP 11 Holbrook and kept Daystar programming, while KBCZ/KPHZ 11 Holbrook (ACN to TEL) became KTAZ 39 Phoenix (TEL) Hartford/New Haven since 1990: 18 Hartford...WHCT-TV (IND), off air in April 1991, back in 1998 or so, was to be PAX, became WUVN-TV (UNI). 20 Waterbury...WATR-TV (NBC), became independent WTXX-TV in spring of 1982, UPN in 1996, switched to WB on 1/1/2001, became CW in 2006. 59 New Haven...WTVU-TV (WB) to WBNE-TV (WB), became WCTX-TV (UPN) on 1/1/2001, MY in 2006. Indianapolis/Muncie WTTV 10/4: NBC to ABC to Ind. to UPN to WB to CW WFBM/WRTV 6: CBS to NBC to ABC WISH 8: ABC to CBS WLWI/WTHR 13: ABC to NBC WNDY 23: Ind. to WB to UPN to My WWKI/WTTK 29: Ind. to UPN to WB to CW (satellite of WTTV) WLBC/WIPB 49: CBS to NBC to PBS WPDS/WXIN 59: Ind. to Fox WIIB/WIPX 63: HSN to Pax/Ion WTBU/WDTI 69: PBS to Daystar Dumont & ABC were split between WTTV and WFBM prior to 1954. ABC was secondary on WLBC during its entire run as a commercial station (1953-71). How are we defining "complete"? For argument's sake, I'd suggest we should define it as having had all the Big Three change stations at least once. So we could also include: Boston WBZ 4 NBC/CBS WHDH/WCVB 5 ABC/CBS/ABC WNAC/WNEV/WHDH 7 CBS/ABC/CBS/NBC Albany WRGB 6 NBC/CBS WROW/WCDA 41/WTEN 10 CBS/ABC WTRI 35/WAST/WNYT 13 ABC/NBC

Baltimore WMAR 2 CBS/NBC/ABC WBAL 11 NBC/CBS/NBC WJZ 13 ABC/CBS Denver KOA/KCNC 4 NBC/CBS KLZ/KMGH 7 CBS/ABC KBTV/KUSA 9 ABC/NBC I think Baltimore may come closest to having had all three Big 3 affiliates with all three networks... Also WAY back in the early 50s Baltimore's channel 13 was known as WAAM and even though they were ABC then, WAAM was also part of DuMont as well. By the time Westinghouse bought channel 13 in the mid 50s ( the calls were changed to WJZ ), duMont was pretty much history. Baltimore may also hold the title of having the most TV stations without a call letter change since other that WAAM becoming WJZ in the 50s and channel 24, all of the stations there still use their original call letters. Even WNUV and WBFF, those calls have been in use since day one for channels 45 and 54. Even though they are part of the Washington DC DMA, the Hagerstown, MD area has seen a few affilation changes as well even though the "main" station there WHAG has always been with NBC, the other stations there has seen some changes, mainly due to money woes. WYVN/WSHE/WWPX channel 60 ...FOX-Indie ( mostly local West Virginia talk )-All InformericalsPAX-ION WJAL channel 68...Religious-Indie-WB-Indie-informericals Denver's channel 2 ( then KFEL today's KWGN ) I am pretty sure when they first signed on the air to become that city's first TV station, they hooked up with DuMont mainly because of the LACK of network programming ( the originial owners of channel 2 wanted to be as much "local" as possible ). Cleveland WEWS 5 CBS/ABC/DuMont/NBC (yes.technically affiliated with all 4 nets till Oct. 1948) to CBS to ABC/DuMont (Though DuMont was pretty well done, 5 did air "Captain Video" from March 2-April 1, 1955, when it was canceled as well as carrying some DuMont Boxing Shows) to ABC WXEL/WJW 9/8..DuMont/ABC to CBS to Fox WOIO 19-Independent to Fox to CBS WUAB 43-Independent to WB/UPN to UPN to MYTV WBNX 55 Independent to WB to CW WNBK/KYW/WKYC 4/3 NBC throughout its history Milwaukee: WTMJ 4 - Always NBC, also carried CBS, ABC and DuMont affiliations until 1953 WITI 6 - Ind, CBS, ABC, CBS, FOX WMKE 7 (LP) - Much Music, The Box, MTV2, America One

WMVS 10 - Always public, NET, PBS WISN 12 - ABC/DuMont, CBS, ABC WVTV 18 - ABC/DuMont, CBS (as an O&O), Ind, WB, CW WCGV 24 - CBS (in mid-50s incarnation under different license), Ind (plus SelecTV pay service in early 80s), FOX, Ind, UPN, Ind, UPN, MyTV WVCY 30 - always religious WMVT 36 - Always public, NET, PBS WBWT 38 (LP) - Azteca WMLW 41 (LP) - Ind, Univision, WebFN, America One, Ind WBME 49 - HSN, The Military Channel (?!?!), HSN, SAH, JTV, Ind (classic TV shows as "MeTV") WPXE 55 - LeSea, Paxson Infomercials, Pax, I, Ion WDJT 58 - Ind to CBS WYTU 63 (LP) - Univision, Telemundo NOTE: WVTV was originally on Ch. 19, in the ABC/DuMont/CBS days. Later switched to 18 in a frequency shakeup. There was a lot of activity in the 1950s. WTMJ was the first station on the air in the market, and carried affiliations from all networks, with NBC the primary. CBS later moved to their own affiliate when WCAN went on the air. ABC and DuMont moved to WISN. Ch. 24's allocation was originally Ch. 25. A different licensee operated WCAN as a CBS affiliate. When they lost CBS's new O&O ch. 19 in 1955, they went dark and turned in their license. WCGV revived the allocation in 1980. CBS later sold ch. 19 and moved to WITI when they went on the air, in order to get on a VHF signal. WITI and WISN swapped affiliations in 1961, then again in 1977. CBS has had more affiliations than any other network in the market, having passed around six stations with a total of seven affiliation switches. Some interesting history here: http://www.milwaukee-horror-hosts.com/MilwTV.html Atlanta qualifies as a market with complete changes WSB 2 - NBC to ABC in 1980 WXIA 11 - ABC to NBC in 1980 WAGA 5 - CBS to Fox in 1994 WATL 36 - IND to Fox in 1986, WB in 1995, My Network TV in 2006. WGCL/WGNX 46 - IND to CBS in 1994 WUPA/WVEU 69 - IND to UPN in 1995, CW in 2006. Bakersfield, California is another market that qualifies... KGET Channel 17: signed-on as ABC in '59, switched to CBS in '74, and has been NBC since '84 KERO Channel 23: signed-on (on Channel 10) as NBC in '53, switched to CBS in '84, and has been ABC since '96; moved to 23 in '63 KBAK Channel 29: signed-on as CBS in '53, switched to ABC in '84, and has been back with CBS since '96 Richmond: WTVR/6---NBC to ABC to CBS WXEX/8 (now WRIC) NBC to ABC

WRVA/12 (now WWBT) CBS to ABC to NBC Raleigh-Durham: WRAL/5---NBC to ABC to CBS WTVD/11---ABC to CBS to ABC WNCN/17 (previously WYED)---shopping channel to ind. to CW to NBC WLFL/22---ind. to Fox to WB to CW WRDC/28 (previously WRDU and WPTF)---NBC to UPN to MY *WNAO was the first station on 28, 1953-58, and was a CBS affil. WRAZ/50---ind. to WB to Fox Jacksonville, FL: WJXT (4) --- CBS (1949-2002), Independent (2002-present) WJCT (7) --- NET (1958-1970), PBS (1970-present) WTLV (12) --- NBC (1957-1980), ABC (1980-1988), NBC (1988-present) WJXE-LP (15) --- has been an independent since 1994 launch WCWJ (17) --- ABC (1966-1980), NBC (1980-1988), ABC (1988-1997), WB (1997-2006), CW (2006-present) WPXC-TV (21) --- Independent (1990-1995), WB (1995-1996), ABC (1996-2001), PAX (20012005), i (2005-2007), ION (2007-present) WJXX (25) --- has been with ABC since 1997 launch WAWS (30) --- Independent (1981-1987), Fox (1987-present) [UPN (2002-2006) and MyNetworkTV (2006present) are secondary affiliations] WBXJ-CA (43) --- The Box (?-2001), MTV2 (2001-present) WTEV (47) --- Independent (1980-1995), UPN (1995-2002), CBS (2002-present) WJEB-TV (59) --- has been with TBN since 1991 launch More from the Cleveland Market: WAKR/WAKC/WVPX 49/23 Akron..ABC to Worship to PAX to ION WJAN/WDLI 17 Canton Independent to PTL to TBN Youngstown: WFMJ 73/21 NBC WKBN 27 CBS/DuMont/ABC to CBS WKST/WYTV 45/33 ABC Birmingham and surrounding areas: WBRC 6 (originally on 4; signed on in '49): NBC/Dumont ('49-'54), CBS ('54-'61), ABC ('61-'96), Fox (since '96) WVTM 13 (WAFM, WABT, WAPI; also signed on in '49): CBS/ABC ('49-'54), NBC/ABC ('54-'61), NBC/CBS ('61-'70), NBC (since '70) WTTO 21 (signed on in '82): Independent, Fox ('90-'96), Independent ('96-'97), WB ('97-'06), CW (since '06) WCFT 33 (signed on in '65 as a Tuscaloosa-only station): CBS/NBC (picking up Channel 13's leftovers); CBS ('70-'96), ABC for Birmingham (since '96) WJSU 40 (signed on in '69 as an Anniston-Gadsden station as WHMA): same as 33; merged with WCFT in '96 WIAT 42 (signed on in '65 as WBMG): officially an independent, but technically CBS/NBC/ABC, then CBS/NBC ('65-'70), CBS for Birmingham ('70-'96), CBS for all of central Alabama since '96

WABM 68 (signed on in '86 as WCAJ): family-Christian ('86-'88), home shopping ('88-'92), independent ('92-'95 and '97-'98), UPN ('95-'97, then '98-06), MNTV (since '06) WDBB 17: signed on in '84 as an independent targeting Tuscaloosa, independent for Birmingham ('86-'87); Fox ('86-'96; became a satellite of WTTO in '90; became a stand-alone station in '93); independent ('96-'97, briefly as a stand-alone, then a satellite of WTTO [since '97]), WB ('97-'06), CW (since '06) WPXH 44: signed on in '85 or '86 as a repeater of WDBB licensed to Gadsden, hoping to cover the eastern side of the Birmingham metro; independent for Birmingham ('86-'87); Fox ('86-'96; became a satellite of WTTO in '90; became a stand-alone station in '93); CBS ('96-'98); independent ('98); Pax/Ion (since '98) As far as I know, the only full power stations in the Birmingham market never to have made affiliation switches area WBIQ-10 (NET/PBS since '54); WCIQ-7 (NET/PBS since '55), and WTJP60 (TBN since its sign-on in the '90's). Wow, I'm suprised that after all of this, NOBODY mentioned MIAMI ! Los Angeles - VHF stations only KTSL/KNXT/KCBS 2: Dumont to CBS KNBH/KRCA/KNBC 4: Always NBC KTLA 5: Dumont to Paramount* to Ind. to WB to CW KECA/KABC 7: Always ABC KFI/KHJ/KCAL 9: NBC to Ind. to Dumont to Ind. KTTV 11: CBS to Dumont to Ind. to Fox KMTR/KLAC/KCOP 13: Ind. (Dumont secondary prior to 1955) to UPN to My * Bet y'all forgot about that one! Grin So did I. It existed from 1949 to '53. It was about as much of a "network" as UPN was in 1994 - 5 shows a week in 1950. Link: Wikipedia Fairbanks, AK: KFAR-TV/KTTU/KATN 2: NBC (primary, 1955-85; secondary, 1985-96)/ABC (secondary, 1955-85; primary, 1986-present) KJNP-TV 4: Religious since 1981, though they would affiliate with TBN in around 1991 K07UU/KFXF 7: Fox since 1992, but secondary networks were CBS (April-August 1996) and UPN (2000-06) KUAC-TV 9: PBS since 1971 KTVF 11: CBS (1955-96)/ABC (secondary 1971-85)/NBC (secondary, 1985-96; primary, 1996present)/UPN (secondary, 1995-2000) K13XD 13: CBS since 1996 Anchorage: KFIA/KENI-TV/KTUU 2: NBC (primary, 1953-67 and 1971-present; secondary, 1967-70) KTBY 4: Independent (1983-86)/Fox since 1986 KYES 5: Independent (1990-95)/UPN (1995-2006)/WB (secondary, dates unknown)/My Network TV (2006-present) KAKM 7: PBS since 1975 (why Anchorage waited four years after Fairbanks for their own PBS station, I don't know) KTVA 11: CBS since 1953/DuMont (1953-56) KHAR-TV/KIMO 13: Independent (1967-70)/NBC (1970-71)/ABC since 1971 Jonathan Allen Markets with No Affiliation Changes I noticed we're always talking about changes in network affiliations, have there been any markets

where no stations have changed affiliation? For the purposes of this thread let's keep it to ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX and let's only count full time affiliation changes. What I mean if a market had two TV stations and they were NBC and CBS and bot carried ABC part time then the market got a third station and ABC was on that station, I wouldn't count that as an affiliation change. Outside of Chicago, NY and LA are there any? Seems like all the markets I can think of off hand have had affiliates change networks. Syracuse, NY comes to mind... Call letters have changed, a couple of stations have changed channel allocations but of the big 3 affiliates have been with their networks since signing on. Hartford/New Haven wouldn't count then. CBS went from channel 18 to 3 at one time. Channel 20 of Waterbury was WATR-TV, an NBC affiliate until 1982 (would then go independent, UPN, WB and then CW). Channel 30 of New Britain is the only station in the market to be with one network their whole life (in this case, NBC). Channel 61 of Hartford signed on in 1984 as an independent but has been with FOX since the Joan Rivers talk show started in the fall of 1986. Otherwise, can Springfield, MA count? I'm pretty sure that channel 22 has always been NBC while channel 40 has always been an ABC affiliate. I live in Roanoke, and I don't think the affiliations have ever flipped here. WSLS-10 signed on with NBC in 1952. WSET-13 signed on as CBS/ABC in 1953. WDBJ-7 signed on in 1955 and took WSET's CBS, leaving them with the ABC they still have today. Charlottesville VA is like that as well, though NBC29 didn't show up til the 1970's and the other networks showed up around 2004-ish, so I imagine it doesn't count. - Trip Scranton/Wilkes-Barre's stations have never changed affiliations: WBRE 28 Wilkes-Barre has always been NBC; WYOU 22 Scranton (formerly WDAU/WGBI) has always been CBS; WNEP 16 Scranton, formed by combining WARM 16 Scranton and WILK 34 Wilkes-Barre, has always been ABC, as were WARM and WILK before it, WVIA 44 Scranton has always been educational (NET/PBS), and WOLF 56 Hazleton has been a Fox affiliate since the network's beginning, first as WWLF 56 Hazleton, a full-power satellite of WOLF 38 Scranton, then the lone Fox affiliate, inheriting the WOLF calls from the Scranton station, which became a WB affiliate in 1997 and took the call letters WSWB. Fort Myers, Florida... CBS--WINK TV 11; NBC--WBBH TV 20 "NBC 2;" ABC--WZVN (original calls WEVU) TV 26 "ABC 7;" FOX--WFTX TV 36 "FOX 4." Well, unless you count DuMont signing off and Fox coming along thirty years later, count New York, since every affiliat in NY is an O&O and has been since day one. Only real change was WNBT moving from Channel 1 to Channel 4 when 1 was deleted. Washington, DC has never had any affiliation changes that I can think of even though in the 80's I

believe CBS wasn't happy with then-WDVM channel 9 over its pre-empting so much of CBS but then again where would they have gone to? WDCA? Columbia SC: 10--NBC 19--CBS 25--ABC 57--FOX I was going to say Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville but FOX switched from 40 to 21 early on... Greenville-New Bern-Washington (NC): 7----NBC 8/14-Fox 9----CBS 12---ABC Washington DC 4--NBC 5--FOX 7--ABC 9--CBS Bristol-Johnson City-Kingsport 5--NBC 11--CBS 19--ABC 39--FOX Houston and San Antonio. Lexington, Kentucky is very close. Channel 27 was ABC primary and CBS secondary until Channel 62 (36) signed on. But since 1968 it remains the same: WLEX-18 NBC WKYT-27 CBS WTVQ-36 ABC (Originally 62 from 1968-80) WDKY-56 Fox The closest Lexington came to an affiliation change was twenty years ago. ABC was very unhappy with WTVQ's news ratings. ABC approached WLEX and they considered it but stayed with NBC. WDKY wanted ABC but at the time lacked local news. The threat of losing ABC was the motivation for Channel 36's owner to invest in news and ABC remained with WTVQ. Good topic! A few other markets that come to mind: Bangor ME, Portland ME, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Boise (two-station market until 1974), Erie PA, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Fort Wayne, Orlando (on a technicality - WDBO-TV started as all three, then shed its ABC and NBC secondaries as channels 9 and 2 came on), Nashville (the ABC affiliation stayed constant as WSIX-TV moved from channel 8 to 2 and became WNGE/WKRN), Duluth, Grand Rapids, Madison, Topeka, Las Vegas, Palm Springs (two-station market until a few years ago), Tucson. I don't think any of the following ever changed primary affiliations...

Wausau/Rhinelander WI WSAU/WSAW Ch. 7 - CBS WAOW Ch. 9 - ABC WAEO/WJFW Ch. 12 - NBC WFXS Ch. 55 - Fox Tucson AZ KVOA Ch. 4 - NBC KGUN Ch. 9 - ABC KMSB Ch. 11 - Fox KOLD Ch. 13 - CBS Ft. Wayne IN WANE Ch. 15 - CBS WPTA Ch. 21 - ABC WKJG/WISE Ch. 33 - NBC WFFT Ch. 55 - Fox Waterloo/Cedar Rapids IA WMT/KGAN Ch. 2 - CBS KWWL Ch. 7 - NBC KCRG Ch. 9 - ABC KFXA Ch. 28 - Fox Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo MI WKZO/WWMT Ch. 3 - CBS WLAV/WOOD/WOTV/WOOD Ch. 7/8 - NBC WZZM Ch. 13 - ABC WXMI Ch. 17 - Fox WUHQ/WOTV Ch. 41 - ABC Madison WI WISC Ch. 3 - CBS WMTV Ch. 33/15 - NBC WKOW Ch. 27 - ABC WMSN Ch. 47 - Fox Peoria IL WIRL/WRAU/WHOI Ch. 19 - ABC WEEK Ch. 43/25 - NBC WMBD Ch. 31 - CBS WYZZ Ch. 43 - Fox LaCrosse/Eau Claire WI WKBT Ch. 8 - CBS WEAU Ch. 13 - NBC WXOW Ch. 19/WQOW Ch. 18 - ABC WLAX Ch. 25/WEUX Ch. 48 - Fox My guess is that there are almost as many markets who've never had even one affiliation change (other than secondary/part-time affiliations early-on) as there are that have. Examples from Western Illinois: The Peoria/Bloomington market has not had any major affiliation changes in the last 50 years (not counting the whole CW/MyNetwork TV-related switches).

19--WHOI (formerly WTVH, WIRL-TV, WRAU, and WHOI since 1985) was originally CBS back when Peoria was a two-station market (which doesn't count), but switched to (and has stayed with) ABC since WMBD-31 (whose sister station was then a CBS Radio affiliate) took the CBS affiliation on Jan. 1, 1958. Their CW subchannel was originally part of the WB 100+ group of stations. 25--WEEK (NBC)--originally on channel 43 from sign-on on Feb. 1, 1953 to Oct. 1964, when switching to channel 25. 31--WMBD (CBS)--as stated above, CBS since Day 1 on New Year's Day 1958. (Peoria had already had each of the "Big 3" affiliates established by '58). 43--WYZZ (Fox)--signed on Oct. 1982 as indy/religious WBLN (with local Bloomington news in its infancy), changed calls to WYZZ in fall 1985, joined the fledging Fox network in fall '86 when "The Late Show with Joan Rivers" debuted, and has remained Fox ever since. 47--WTVP (PBS)--signed on June 1971. 59--WAOE (MY)--originally "signed on" with very low power, test patterns, and only UPN network programming in summer 1999, with their power reaching their current levels about spring 2000. Picked up MyNetwork TV after the shutdown of UPN (WHOI-DT picked up the CW 100+). The Quad Cities (Davenport/Rock Island/Moline) market also has not seen major "Big 3" network changes (other than KLJB-18 briefly losing their Fox affiliation from 1988-90 because of too many preemptions of the fledging network's shows): 4--WHBF (CBS, Rock Island)--signed on July 1, 1950 (first downstate IL television station). Shared ABC with the then WOC-6 until WQAD's Aug. 1, 1963 sign-on. 6--KWQC (NBC, Davenport, IA) (formerly WOC-TV until fall 1986). NBC since Day 1 on Oct. 31, 1949; first television station in Iowa. Originally on channel 5 until the post-freeze reallocations moved it to channel 6 in 1953 to reduce interference with WMAQ-Chicago. As stated above, shared ABC with channel 4 until WQAD's sign-on. 8--WQAD (ABC, Moline). Full-time ABC since sign-on Aug. 1, 1963. Channel 8 was originally allocated to Peoria, moved to Moline as a result of deintermixture (IMO, had 8 remained in Peoria, this would have made that market volatile to affiliation swaps over the years, similar to Evansville and Rockford). MyNetwork is offered as a subchannel on WQAD-DT. 18--KLJB (Fox, Davenport). Signed on July 19, 1985 as an indy, originally joined Fox when Joan Rivers' show debuted in fall '86, lost their Fox affiliation over the preemption issue in 1988 and reverted to an independent for two years. Rejoined Fox in fall '90 upon the success of "The Simpsons." 24--WQPT (PBS, Moline). PBS (run by Black Hawk Junior College) since signing on in fall 1983. Significantly increased their power in December 1997 with their new transmitter near Orion, IL, near those for WQAD and KLJB (as well as the present KWQC-DT tower, and the former tower of WHBF-TV before moving to their current stick near Bettendorf, IA--shared with KWQC--in late 1982). 26--KGCW (CW, Burlington, IA)--Signed on around 1984-87 as an indy, joined Fox in fall '86 despite the station's very low power (could only be received reliably for about 20 miles from Burlington). Acquired by the owners of KLJB around the late '90s, IIRC, and converted to a satellite of channel 18. About 2002, converted to a standalone as WB affiliate KGWB (operated by KLJB), and then to CW in fall 2006. Has a CP for a new transmitter in Mercer County, IL, halfway between

the Quad Cities and Burlington. 36-KQIN (PBS, Davenport--Iowa Public Television). Formerly a translator for WQPT, was sold by Black Hawk College and acquired by IPTV about 2003 or so (I'm not sure on the exact date, so your help on this one would be appreciated). Although this example may not count as it is still a "two-station" market (not counting PBS and the religious WTJR-16), Quincy/Hannibal has not had any "Big 2" (in that case, CBS and NBC) affilation switches since KHQA-7 (CBS) and WGEM-10 (NBC) both signed on in 1953. The de facto ABC station has generally been KTVO-3 Kirksville/Ottumwa (as well as two years of the illfated WJJY-14 Jacksonville, IL from 1969-71), which actually did not become a full-time ABC station until about 1968. Houston and San Antonio. I believe Fox in San Antonio used to be on 35 and moved to 29 around the time UPN started. Actually L.A. doesn't even qualify. CBS was originally on KTTV 11- KTTV was originally a joint venture between CBS and the Los Angeles Times. Channel 2 was KTSL, a DuMont affiliate coowned with KHJ radio. Don Lee Broadcasting put KTSL up for sale and CBS, wanting full ownership of a station in Los Angeles, bought it, renaming it KNXT to match its KNX radio (the KCBS-TV calls did not come until 1984), and selling its portion of KTTV to the Times. Don Lee then bought KFI-TV 9, which is how KHJ-TV (now KCAL) came to be. KTTV ended up taking DuMont until 1954, when the network was already on life support- KTTV never needed it in the first place, it was a strong station- and bottom-barrel KHJ-TV picked DuMont for the rest of its existence. I am pretty sure Buffalo, NY would qualify here. Its always been 2 (NBC), 4 (CBS ), 7 (ABC ) and 29 ( FOX ). Though the call letters have changed over the years with WGR to WGRZ and WBEN becoming WIVB . I heard awhile back that WKBW at one point almost became WKVW but that never happened. I don't think any of the Colorado TV stations OUTSIDE OF DENVER went through any network changes either. Likewise with the Maryland stations outside of Baltimore. Salisbury's WBOC has always been mainly CBS ( through it did air some ABC and NBC programs until 1981 when WMDT became a full-time ABC afflilate which is still the case today ). Meanwhile Hagerstown's WHAG has always been with NBC. I don't think any of the following ever changed primary affiliations... Madison WI WISC Ch. 3 - CBS WMTV Ch. 33/15 - NBC WKOW Ch. 27 - ABC WMSN Ch. 47 - Fox ...WKOW-TV/27 was CBS upon its sign-on, with WMTV/33 carrying NBC, ABC and DuMont. After about three years or so, WISC/3 signed on and took CBS from WKOW-TV, leading WKOW-TV to take ABC from WMTV (DuMont had folded by that time)... Lubbock Texas HAS NEVER had a an affiliate change, (other than the UPN/CW/WB stuff, and the OTA affiliations were all with the same company, Ramar). 11 KCBD NBC 13 KLBK CBS (Orignal Calls, KDUB)

28 KAMC ABC (Original Calls KSEL, later KMCC) I think Amarillo has gone un-switched as far as nets go (haven't heard any different so far), just a change or 2 of call letters over the years. I am pretty sure Buffalo, NY would qualify here. Its always been 2 (NBC), 4 (CBS ), 7 (ABC ) and 29 ( FOX ). Though the call letters have changed over the years with WGR to WGRZ and WBEN becoming WIVB . Not so! WGR-TV signed on in 1954 as an ABC affiliate, because NBC was already spoken for in the market, on NBC O&O WBUF 17. When WKBW came along in 1958, bringing a third VHF signal to the market, NBC folded WBUF, the NBC affiliation moved to WGR, and WKBW took ABC. Fox also moved in Buffalo - it started out on WNYB-TV 49, then moved to WUTV 29 in 1990. Actually L.A. doesn't even qualify. CBS was originally on KTTV 11- KTTV was originally a joint venture between CBS and the Los Angeles Times. Channel 2 was KTSL, a DuMont affiliate coowned with KHJ radio. Don Lee Broadcasting put KTSL up for sale and CBS, wanting full ownership of a station in Los Angeles, bought it, renaming it KNXT to match its KNX radio (the KCBS-TV calls did not come until 1984), and selling its portion of KTTV to the Times. Don Lee then bought KFI-TV 9, which is how KHJ-TV (now KCAL) came to be. KTTV ended up taking DuMont until 1954, when the network was already on life support- KTTV never needed it in the first place, it was a strong station- and bottom-barrel KHJ-TV picked DuMont for the rest of its existence. Neither does Chicago, but only because CBS was originally split between WBKB Ch. 4 & WGN Ch. 9, with Dumont also on Channel 9. CBS dropped WGN as a secondary affiliate when they got Channel 4 (now 2) after the ABC/United Paramount merger. Aside from KGSW/KASA changing their channel frequency, Albuquerque has had no affiliation changes amongst the major networks. Neither has Boise as far as I know. quote author=bk77 link=topic=101168.msg792258#msg792258 date=1212650307] I don't think any of the Colorado TV stations OUTSIDE OF DENVER went through any network changes either.[/quote] Well there is KTVS(now KUPN) in Sterling but that's a story for another time Orlando, though the NBC affiliation was split between WESH and WDBO (primary CBS) from 1956 to 11/4/1957, then on 11/5/1957, WESH activated a bigger tower in Orange City and added Orlando to the coverage area and became a full-time NBC affiliate. I am pretty sure Buffalo, NY would qualify here. Its always been 2 (NBC), 4 (CBS ), 7 (ABC ) and 29 ( FOX ). Nope. WGR was originally an NBC affiliate from 1954-56, then became an ABC affiliate when NBC bought WBUF 17 as an O&O. When WKBW came online, WBUF shut down, and the NBC affiliation moved back to WGR, with ABC going to WKBW. The WBUF license and equipment were donated to Western NY Public Broadcasting Assn. and used to launch WNED. Source: Wikipedia

How about Chattanooga: 3-NBC 9-ABC 12-CBS 61-Fox I don't think Shreveport has had one either. As far back as I can remember, it's been 3-ABC, 6-NBC, 12-CBS, and I don't know where Fox is. Likewise, has Beaumont, TX had one? Seems it's always been 4-NBC, 6-CBS, 12-ABC. Oklahoma City: 4-NBC 5-ABC 9-CBS 25-Fox Tulsa: 2-NBC 6-CBS 8-ABC 23-Fox And I think Tucson has been: 4-NBC 9-ABC 11-Fox 13-CBS Houston and San Antonio. Not exactly. San Antonio had an affiliation switch between KABB (which switched from an independent to Fox) and KRRT (which switch from Fox to the new UPN network) in 1995. Three years later, KRRT dropped UPN for the WB and UPN went to then-KMOL as a secondary affiliation until KBEJ signed on in 2000. It's only Houston now. All I'm waiting for are the two affiliates to become O&Os. NBC might be more likely to buy first due to the weakness of the station in one of the largest markets. Good topic! A few other markets that come to mind: Bangor ME, Portland ME, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Boise (two-station market until 1974), Erie PA, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Fort Wayne, Orlando (on a technicality - WDBO-TV started as all three, then shed its ABC and NBC secondaries as channels 9 and 2 came on), Nashville (the ABC affiliation stayed constant as WSIX-TV moved from channel 8 to 2 and became WNGE/WKRN), Duluth, Grand Rapids, Madison, Topeka, Las Vegas, Palm Springs (two-station market until a few years ago), Tucson.

Scott? You can scratch Portland/Poland Spring off of that list. WPXT-TV channel 51 came on in 1986 as a charter FOX affiliate with Joan Rivers' talk show. However, they dropped FOX in 2001 and switched to WB (and are a CW affiliate today). Whoops...should have remembered that! And Madison's off my "top of the head" list, too - as someone pointed out upthread, WKOW came on with CBS. Hey, Lansing counts, doesn't it? 6 CBS, 10 NBC, 53 ABC? Has their FOX affiliate always been on channel 47? Technically Watertown, NY has had no affiliation changes, as WWNY was always primary CBS although at one point it carried all four networks including PBS/NET. Traverse City/Cadillac, Michigan has never had changes either, as far as I know. Corpus Christi was unchanged until just a few months ago CBS- KZTV-10 since 1956 sign-on NBC- KRIS- 6 since 1956 sign on ABC- KIII- 3 since 1964 sign on PBS- KEDT- 16 since 1972 sign on FOX- was K47DF from the early 90's until February 2008 when affiliation changed to full-powered KUQI-38 The Florence/Myrtle Beach (SC)/Lumberton (NC) might qualify, though with one caveat: the former WGSE-TV 43 was an affiliate of the former WB Network before becoming FOX as WFXB in the late 1990s, though there wasn't a FOX affiliate based in the market beforehand (they got FOX from neighboring Wilmington, NC on channel 26 (WSFX) and in the NW part of the market via Fayetteville, NC's channel 62, the former WFAY --which aired the network briefly in the mid-1990s before becoming PAX/ION affiiate WFPX. Based in the Raleigh-Durham, NC market, channel 62 reaches neither of those cities whatsoever). As for the other stations, WBTW, Channel 13, has always been CBS (though originally on channel 8 until the early 1960s) and WPDE, channel 15, always ABC since their 1981 sign on. The market has never had an NBC affiliate, though digitalonly WMBF, channel 32, is to change that I have actually checked the historical Chicago Tribune index and I've never seen anything to indicate this was real, other than a program or two WGN picked up. WBKB was airing CBS shows consistantly WENR (Channel 7) was consistantly airing ABC. The program listings show WGN to pick up a fews shows that WBKB didn't want, but that's hardly an affiliation. And they weren't always consistantly the same show either. So that's what's difficult in determaining the affiliation thing in the early years. I'd like to toss Lafayette, Indiana into the ring. One station market. I believe WLFI 18 has been CBS since it signed on in the 50s. Burlington/Plattsburgh, Fox initially on WWBI-LP? (or do I mis-remember that?)

Quote Nashville (the ABC affiliation stayed constant as WSIX-TV moved from channel 8 to 2 and became WNGE/WKRN), Fox initially on WXMT (now WUXP) 30. KFI-TV Channel 9 was briefly affiliated with NBC when it signed on in 1948 before Channel 4 (KNBH, KRCA, and now KNBC) signed on one year later. I believe Albany GA fits into this... WALB has been NBC since it went on the air in the early 50's. WFXL went on the air as an indy as WTSG but became a Fox station when the network started in the 80's. Portland, ME: 6 NBC, 8 ABC, 13 CBS Bangor, ME: 2 NBC, 5 CBS, 7 ABC Springfield, MA: 22 NBC, 40 ABC, 57 PBS Burlington/Plattsburgh, VT: 3 CBS, 5 NBC, 22 ABC Read the rest of the thread first - channel 40 (and 55 before that) was CBS in the WHYN-TV days. Has their FOX affiliate always been on channel 47? Madison or Lansing? (I know Madison's has always been 47. Actually I'm pretty sure Lansing as well.) Bangor, ME: 2 NBC, 5 CBS, 7 ABC WTWO/WBRZ Ch. 2 was originally CBS, and WABI Ch. 5 was originally NBC. They swapped in 1955. WEMT/WVII Ch. 7 has always been ABC. Quote Springfield, MA: 22 NBC, 40 ABC, 57 PBS Already mentioned earlier, but WHYN-TV 40 was originally CBS primary and ABC/Dumont secondary. it switched to ABC primary in 1958 (with CBS secondary until 1965) after Channel 3 in a Hartford picked up CBS. WJAR in Providence has been a primary NBC affiliate since it's sign-on in 1949. Gary Begin Identity Programming Consultant Jackson, TN

www.garybegin.com Quite true...but Providence/New Bedford doesn't qualify here, since WPRI-TV channel 12 went from ABC to CBS and WLNE-TV channel 6 went from CBS to ABC. Don't forget Presque Isle, Maine WAGM TV Channel 8 used to be all three networks!! Now pretty much strictly CBS. I also believe their FOX channel is a digital channel of Channel 8. And the only other station in Presque Isle, WMEM Channel 10, has been PBS all along, repeating the Maine Public Broadcasting Network. In Bangor, Before the sign-on of WEMT (Now WVII) Channel 7 in mid-60's. Both WLBZ Channel 2 was NBC, with secondary ABC, as was WABI Channel 5, CBS, also picking assorted ABC programs. WAGM-TV channel 8 was listed in TV Guide as CBS/NBC/ABC at one point. I think they even carried WWE Smackdown! or Enterprise from UPN too. As for WAGM-DT, FOX is carried as channel 8-2. Speaking of tiny markets, I think KXGN-TV channel 5 of Glendive, MT has always been at least a primary NBC affiliate. Also, I think they are the only remaining network TV station in the country to cherry pick from another network without resorting to digital subchannels (meaning it happens on analog channel 5). Speaking of tiny markets, I think KXGN-TV channel 5 of Glendive, MT has always been at least a primary NBC affiliate. Also, I think they are the only remaining network TV station in the country to cherry pick from another network without resorting to digital subchannels (meaning it happens on analog channel 5). Actually, they're primary CBS, with NBC secondary. Non Coverage of Events on 9/11 I was wondering if there were any channels who didn't cover 9/11 continuously? I tried but can't remember any stations not covering it. What I mean is did any station just report it happened and then resume their regular schedule. As hard as I try it seems every station was running a feed from FOX or CNN or another source. I had cable at the time but I don't recall I remember that the MTV suite of channels ran CBS News coverage. Even the home shopping channels like QVC and HSN ran NY1, I think. Also, if I remember right, the only exception were the "kids" channels such as Nick. They stayed with normal programming to give an alternative for parents that didn't want their kids watching the horrible images of 9/11 and the aftermath. I actually remember some channels just posting a message that it happened, and that their programming was suspended. Even regular music radio stations were covering the day's events. remember that the MTV suite of channels ran CBS News coverage. Even the home shopping channels like QVC and HSN ran NY1, I think. ...actually, HSN relayed the CBC's coverage, anchored by Peter Mansbridge from Toronto. I have

six hours' worth from the evening of 9/11 of that material on VHS, and it was interesting to see a different perspective on the situation. Past that, I think the kiddie channels (Nick, Disney, etc.) and ESPNnews continued with their regular programming (ESPNnews did have a blurb crawling across the bottom of the screen advising viewers to tune to their local ABC affiliates for updates on New York/Washington/Pennsylvania), and most of the movie-related and premium channels from HBO and Showtime to Playboy TV maintained their usual schedule with a few adjustments (I seem to recall that one of the Encore channels had scheduled WRONG IS RIGHT, about an alleged terrorist plot to bomb New York -- the bombs are found atop the WTC -- for later that week, and it was yanked). I think only Fox Movie Channel flipped to FNC. The home, fashion and style channels like Food and DIY pulled all their programming and just showed a graphic with somber music... I know that both TNT and TBS aired news coverage from CNN. Not sure what ESPN and ESPN 2 showed I think ABC News as all sport events were cancled due to the events going on. Also USA Network and Sci-Fi both aired normal programs as they had no news source they could air as NBC didn't own those networks then. Today I would say they would air MSNBC or NBC News feed. As for one local sports network MSG just aired a video of a American Flag. As has been noted here Sci-Fi, USA and Bravo carried their regular programming. I agree if NBC would have owned them back in 2001 NBC would have preempted those channels with NBC News and MSNBC and even local coverage from WNBC-TV. Which reminds me, VH1 carried coverage from WCBS-TV for many hours on that day. Comedy Central ran a scroll at the bottom of their screen urging viewers to donate to The Red Cross. I seem to recall most, or all, of the ESPN channels carried ABC News. Later in the evening ESPN's SportsCenter had a special program about that day. Now that I think about it, WWOR, of all channels, just aired coverage during their regular newscast. Does anyone know if this was on their national feed, or if it was like this on their New York OTA signal? After all it seems very odd an event of this proportion and magnitude would go unnoticed by a New York television station, even if it is a second tier superstation. Even WGN's national feed had continuing coverage for about two days; giving the nation coverage from WGN News and at (many) times feeding New York's WPIX's coverage to the nation. All the movie channels carried on as normal and I don't seem to recall stations like HBO and Cinemax running some type of scroll at the bottom of the screen. Here in L.A. our main PBS station, KCET, carried the morning and afternoon children's programs with a scroll running along the screen urging viewers to tune in later in the evening for a special edition of "The News Hour." Our second tier PBS station, KLCS, was airing coverage from BBC News. Now that I think about it, WWOR, of all channels, just aired coverage during their regular newscast. Does anyone know if this was on their national feed, or if it was like this on their New York OTA signal? After all it seems very odd an event of this proportion and magnitude would go unnoticed by a New York television station, even if it is a second tier superstation. By then, WWOR no longer had a separate service, with its "EMI Service" channel folded at the end of 1996. However, I thought I heard back then that they simulcasted WNYW; by then WWOR and WNYW were under Fox ownership.

Locally, WWOR was simulcasting WNYW/Fox 5, or at times, Fox News Channel. I recall CBC had continuous coverage on their cable news channel CBC Newsworld, but they did not break into regular programming on the main CBC network until noon, as they had (and still have) childrens' programming until then. They stated that they did that because they interrupted Sesame Street with wall-to-wall coverage of the Challenger explosion in 1986, and got many complaints as a result (not surprisingly). Everyone else I can think of had coverage, except for maybe some specialty channels. WUAB in Cleveland, then a UPN affiliate, was running CNN's feed with a Hometeam 43 logo in the corner. The Weather Channel aired regular programming, but with sad music. Here's something that would be embarassing though. I'm sure many remember what they were doing when they first heard that 9/11 happened. I'd hate to find out about Sept 11 while watching those X rated pay per view channels (and I will stop there. Today Show 4th Hour How is your affiliate handling the 4th hour of today? Ours is running TODAY 7-9am ET -- then breaking for Regis -- then hour 3 & 4 will run from 10amNoon ET. They had been running all 3 hours of TODAY from 7-10am -- then Regis at 10am ET. It's almost as it they're taking a step backwards... I dont know for sure what they WILL be doing but, currently, WHDH/Boston runs as follows: 7am-9am Today 9-10 Regis and Kelly 10-11 Today (3rd hour) 11-noon Access Hollywood 11-1130 Extra I would imagine the 4th hour will run from 11 to noon. WHDH already runs Access and Extra at 7pm and 730pm. Our Media General-owned NBC affiliate here in Savannah, WSAV, is doing this... 7AM-10AM - Today 10AM - The 700 Club 11AM-12PM - Today Um, why not just move bible thumper man's show to 11AM? I know his show is paid programming anyway, so why not just put the fourth hour of Today at 10AM where it belongs? WHDH/Boston will have Today (7am-9am), Regis & Kelly (9am), and Today (10am-12pm).

WJAR/Providence will have Today (7am-10am), Regis & Kelly (10am), and Today (11am-12pm). Media General owns an NBC affiliate in Tampa-St Pete as well, so their 4th hour of "Today" gets shown at noon: 7-10 am Today first three hours 10-11 am Daytime, a local show with infomercial-like segments 11 am-noon midday news 12 noon-1 pm Today fourth hour WXIA/11 Alive in Atlanta will show "Today" from 7 to 11 AM, followed by "Atlanta & Company" (Gannett's version of Media General's "Daytime," which, BTW, begins airing next Monday on WNCN/17 in Raleigh at 11 AM after "Today"). 11 Alive will still have its noon news, followed by "Merv Griffin's Crosswords" at 12:30. "Martha" moves from 10 AM to 2 PM. That 11:00 hour on WHDH has been a few different things over the last few years. It used to be Ellen DeGeneres, but then that moved to WCVB at 9:00. Then, for a brief period last September, it had the previous day repeats of AH and Extra. Then later that month, the Megan Mullally show came along, and IT took the 11:00 timeslot. Then in January that got cancelled, and it changed back to the AH/Extra repeats. I know that a lot of NBC affiliates (not WHDH, but WJAR) that had Martha in the morning are moving it to either 1:00 or 2:00, replacing Passions. KVBC-3, the NBC affiliate in Las Vegas, will show TODAY from 7-11, then Rachael Ray at 11, followed by local news from Noon to 1. Montel Williams, which was at 10am gets pushed to 2pm replacing Passions. NBC O&O WVIT (NBC 30) in New Britain, CT: (Hartford/New Haven Market) 7AM-11AM Today 11AM-12PM News 12PM-1PM Extra/Access Hollywood 1PM-2PM Days of Our Lives (No Changes) 2PM-3PM Martha 3PM-4PM People's Court (No Changes) 4PM-5PM Ellen (No Changes) NBC O&O WNBC (NBC 4) in NYC 7AM-11AM Today 11AM-12PM Ellen 12PM-1PM Extra/Access Hollywood 1PM-2PM Martha 2PM-3PM Days of Our Lives 3PM-4PM Judge Joe Brown 4PM-5PM Merv Griffin's Crosswords 5PM-5:30PM Extra 530PM-6PM News 4 You

6PM-630PM News Channel 4 at 6 630PM-7PM NBC News 7PM-730PM News Channel 4 at 7 LIN-TV Owned WWLP (22 News) in Springfield, MA 7AM-9AM Today (No Changes) 9AM-10AM Regis & Kelly (No Changes) 10AM-12PM Today (No Changes 10AM-11AM) 12PM-1PM 22 News at Noon (No Changes) 1PM-2PM Days of Our Lives (No Changes) 2PM-3PM Infomercials 3PM-330PM 22 Showcase (A spotlight of Businesses in Western Massachusetts) *No Changes* 330PM-4PM Friends (No Changes) 4PM-5PM Judge Judy (No Changes) The program schedule for WCAU NBC 10 In Philly seems to be incomplete with a TBA on the Schedule for 2PM-3PM and an Infomercial Block 12PM-1PM, with no sign of a 4th hour of the Today Show) Here is how the NBC station ( KUSA) here in Denver and KOAA TV also NBC in Colorado Springs is handling the 4th our of the Today show. 7-9am Today 10-11am Local Programming 11am-12pm Today KOAA TV Colorado Springs 7-10am Today The Colorado Springs station is just airing the regular hour of the today After that is Tyra Banks and Rachel Ray. KNBC Los Angeles daytime... 7am Today 11am Channel 4 News 12pm Paid Program 12:30 Access Hollywood (previous night's replay) 1pm Days of Our Lives 2pm Martha 3pm Crosswords (x2) 4pm Ellen 5pm Channel 4 News 6pm Channel 4 News 6:30 NBC Nightly News 7pm Extra 7:30 Access Hollywood WFMJ Youngstown OH: 5-7 WFMJ Today

7-9 Today 9-10 Regis and Kelly 10-12 TODAY 3rd and 4th Hour 12-12:30 News 12:30 Access Hollywood 1-2 Days 2-3 Judge Judy (was on @ 11am) WKYC Cleveland OH 5-7 Channel 3 Today 7-10 Today 10-11 Good Company (Local Show) 11-12 Today 4th Hour 12-12:30 Channel 3 News (was on 11am) 12:30 Insider (was on 11:30am) 1-2 Days 2-3 Montel (was on @ 12 PM) WSAZ Charleston-Huntington WV 5-9 Newschannel 3 Today 9-10 Today 10-11 Regis and Kelly 11-12 Morning Show With Mike and Juliet 12 NEWS 12:30 Millionare 1 Days 2 Today the 4th Hour[/b] I'm surprised by the number of affiliates that are splitting the show up. Back when Hour 3 was added a few years ago, it was interrupted here by Regis from 9-10am ET, followed by Hour 3 10am-11am -- and it seemed just out of place. There was no official opening, it just kind of started -- and everyone knew it was taped. They picked up where they left off, just an hour later and it lost some of it's continuity. The anchors would sometimes open the new hour by making references to something that happened at 8:54 ET just before the break -- and it made no sense at all if you hadn't had your TV on an hour and 6 minutes before. Plus, doesn't it seem a little wierd to tape-delay a news broadcast -- and in some cases by many hours (for those affiliates that are waiting to carry Hour 4 in the early afternoon)? I wonder why those affiliates have chosen to program the show the way they have. so what happens there if Breaking news happens? KPRC-Houston, TX Daytime Schedule: 5-7AM Local 2 News Daybreak 7-11AM The Today Show 11:00 AM Local 2 News Midday 12 Noon Ellen 1:00 PM Days of Our Lives 2:00 PM Rachael Ray (Replacing the Canceled Soap, "Passions") 3:00 PM Dr. Phil 4:00 PM Local 2 News-First@4 4:30 PM Extra WBAL/11 Baltimore isn't even carrying the

fourth hour of the Today Show; they'll go to Regis at 10, followed by Inside Edition and The Insider from 11 to 12. BTW, WXIA's daytime schedule from 7 AM (they have news from 5 to 7 AM): 7 AM Today 11 AM Atlanta & Company 12 N News 12:30 Merv Griffin's Crosswords 1 PM Days Of Our Lives 2 PM Martha 3 PM Rachael Ray 4 PM Who Wants To Be A Millionaire (2 episodes) 5 PM Dr. Phil 6 PM News 6:30 NBC News 7 PM News 7:30 The Insider I think NBC should have never expanded "The Today Show", two hours in enough! Correction to an earlier posting: WNCN/17 Raleigh is airing "Daytime" at noon. However, three NBC affiliates in my part of the country: WNCN, WXII/12 Winston-Salem, and WSLS/10 Roanoke, VA, are not carrying the fourth hour of "Today." Channel 12 is sticking with Regis at 10, while Channel 10 is sticking with "The 700 Club." I think 17 is sticking with Ellen DeGeneres. KXAS/5, Dallas/Fort Worth (according to their TitanTV listing) 5a-7a News 7a-11a Today 11a-12p In the Loop with iVillage (ex-iVillage Live ?) 12p-1p Martha 1p-2p Days 2p-3p Merv's Crosswords (twice) 3p-4p Ellen 4p-5:30p News KAMR/4, Amarillo (TitanTV) 5a-5:30a Early Today 5:30a-7a News 7a-11a Today 11a-12p 700 Club 12p-1p Days 1p-2p Law & Order: CI 2p-3p Martha 3p-4p Rachael Ray 4p-5p Ellen 5p-5:30p News (I don't remember 4 having the 700 Club on before, and 4 used to have local rights to Oprah for **many** years)

KETK/56, Jacksonville/Tyler/Longview (according to TitanTV) 5a-7a News 7a-10a Today 10a-11a Mike and Juliet 11a-12p East Texas Live 12p-1p Days 1p-2p TBA 2p-3p Rachael Ray 3p-4p Judge Joe Brown (twice) 4p-5p People's Court 5p-5:30p News (or, according to Zap2It) 5a-7a News 7a-11a Today 11a-12p Mike and Juliet 12p-1p East Texas Live 1p-2p Days 2p-3p Rachael Ray 3p-4p Judge Joe Brown (twice) 4p-5p People's Court 5p-5:30p News I think Zap2it is more accurate. Four Hours Of The Today Show is Overkill to the Max! Here's San Antonio's lineup starting Monday (Central Time) WOAI - Channel 4 AM 7:00 Today (first 2 hours) 9:00 Regis and Kelly 10:00 San Antonio Living (Local Show) 11:00 Today (last 2 hours) PM 1:00 Days Of Our Lives (originally at Noon and had been for years) 2:00 Montel Williams (moves from 3:00 to 2:00) 3:00 Judge David Young (2 episodes) 4:00 Judge Judy (2 episodes) Plus, doesn't it seem a little wierd to tape-delay a news broadcast -- and in some cases by many hours (for those affiliates that are waiting to carry Hour 4 in the early afternoon)? You must live in the EAST. Welcome to the tape-delayed world of the Pacific and Mountain time zones! Roll Eyes I wonder how the Hawaii affiliate is going to carry it. After all, the news is probably going to be 8 hours old by then. Roll Eyes Here's KTVF's (Fairbanks) daytime schedule, effective Monday: 7:00-Today

10:00-Regis and Kelly 11:00-Today Noon-Malcolm in the Middle 12:30-That '70s Show 1:00-Days of Our Lives 2:00-Merv Griffin's Crosswords 2:30-Frasier And over on KTUU (Anchorage): 7:00-Today 9:00-Regis and Kelly 10:00-Today Noon-Tyra Banks 1:00-Days of Our Lives 2:00-Family Feud 2:30-The Insider Jonathan Allen Here's the line-up on WDIV Detroit, Mich: 5:00A Local 4 Today 7:00A The Today Show (First 3 Hours) 10:00A Ellen 11:00A The Today Show (Final Hour) 12:00N Local 4@ Noon 12:30P Jeopardy 1:00P Days of Our Lives 2:00P Crosswords (One Show) 2:30P Extra 3:00P Rachel Ray 4:00P Local 4@4 4:30P Inside Edition 5:00P Local 4@5 Please Note: 4 Hours of "The Today Show" is WAY too Much! I think I've got you all beat. WTVA-Tupelo, MS 7:00 Today 10:00 Regis and Kelly 11:00 Jeopardy 11:30 Millionaire 12:00 News 12:30 Days Of Our Lives 1:30 Today's 4th hour 2:30 Inside Edition Now what the hell sense does that make airing Today at 1:30 in the afternoon? WMC 5 in Memphis and WPSD 6 in Paducah, KY are both carrying the full 4 hours straight through from 7 to 11 AM. WSMV 4 in Nashville is carrying the first 3 hours from 7 to 10 AM with The 700 Club from 10 to 11, and the 4th hour from 11 AM to Noon.

That information came from titantv.com (now I know why so many of you prefer zap2it). Yesterday's Greensboro News & Record TV Week shows WXII running Today from 7 to 9, Regis from 9 to 10, then the last two hours of Today from 10 to 12. They're also losing Access Hollywood, which had been airing at 11:30 AM, to WGHP/Fox8, which will carry it at 6:30, followed by TMZ at 7. Here's 2 for the price of one: WCAU-10 Philadelphia: 5:00 AM NBC-10 News 7:00 AM The Today Show (All 4 Hours) 11:00 AM 10 Live! (Local Show) 12:00 Noon Ellen 1:00 PM Days of Our Lives 2:00 PM Martha 3:00 PM Rachel Ray 4:00 PM All That & More (Another Local Show) 5:00 PM Live at Five And From KSL-TV5 in Salt Lake City, UT: 5:00 AM KSL 5 News 7:00 AM The Today Show 10:00 AM Rachel Ray 11:00 AM Studio 5 (Local Show) 12:00 N KSL 5 News 1:00 PM The Today Show (The 4th Hour) 2:00PM Days of Our Lives 3:00PM Dr. Phil 4:00PM KSL 5-First@4 4:30PM Jeopardy 5:00PM KSL 5 News 5:30PM NBC Nightly News 6:00PM KSL 5 News 6:30PM Wheel of Fortune Not quite yet...WREX in Rockford, IL... 4:30am Early Today 5am Ag Day 5:30am 13 News Today 7am Today Show 10am Regis & Kelly 11am The 700 Club 12pm 13 News at Noon 12:30pm Judge Joe Brown 1pm Days of our Lives 2pm Today Show (4th Hour) 3pm Judge Alex (x2) 4pm Who Wants to be a Millionaire 4:30pm Jeopardy! 5pm 13 News at Five 5:30pm NBC Nightly News

6pm 13 News at Six 6:30pm Wheel of Fortune WPTZ Burlington, VT 4:30am--Early Today 5:00am--Newschannel 5 at 5am 6:00am--Newschannel 5 at 6am 7:00am--TODAY (Hour 1+2) 9:00am--Regis & Kelly 10:00am-TODAY (Hour 3+4) 12:00pm-Martha Stewart 1:00pm--Days of Our Lives 2:00pm--Judge Judy (x4)! 4:00pm--Oprah 5:00pm--Newschannel 5 First at 5 5:30pm--Newschannel 5 5:30 Now 6:00pm--Newschannel 5 at 6pm 6:30pm--NBC Nightly News 7:00pm--Jeopardy 7:30pm--Wheel of Fortune At least KPRC-TV is adapting its schedule to the network's instead of theirs this time around unlike sister WDIV. At least I saw the last 3 years of Passions on KPRC--it's better than nothing. 4 hours is too much. It's competing with The Price is Right and created a whole morning of news. When it expanded to 09:00, it provided a network show to watch instead of those syndicated or station-originated shows like Great Day Houston on KHOU and it didn't conflict with The Price is Right. After all, the alternative is The View.:yuck: They should have the Debra Duncan show from Houston instead and maybe put it over the "Belo" (Texas) network at 09:00. hey should have the Debra Duncan show from Houston instead and maybe put it over the Belo Stations network at 09:00. KTRK (abc13) in Houston used to have The Debra Duncan Show, but plans to go syndicated went belly up, and Deb now Co-anchors 11 News This Morning with Ron Trevino. Here is the daytime lineup in Pittsburgh, PA for WPXI-11: 5-7am: Channel 11 News This Morning 7-10am: TODAY Show 10-11am: Ellen DeGeneres 11-Noon: Montel Williams Noon-12:30pm Channel 11 News @ Noon 12:30-1pm: Family Feud 1-1:30pm: Millionaire 1:30-2pm: Merv Griffin's Crosswords (New!) 2-3pm: TODAY Show (4th Hour!) 3-4pm: Days of our Lives 4-5pm: Judge Judy (2 episodes) 5-6:30pm: Channel 11 News 6:30-7pm: NBC Nightly News 7-7:30pm: Jeopardy! 7:30-8pm: Wheel of Fortune

This is somewhat interesting as I found out that the 4th hour of "TODAY" is taped, and affiliates across the country air it whenever. For KPHX Channel 12 (Phoenix AZ): 4:30: Early Today 5-7: Local News 7-10: Today 10-11: Regis and Kelly 11-12: Today 4th hour 12-12:30: Local News 12:30-1: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? 1-2: Local Midday show 2-3: Days of Our Lives 3-4: Ellen 4-4:30: Millionaire 4:30-5:30: Local News 12:30-6: NBC Nightly News 6-6:30: Local News 6:30-7: Extra State Lotteries and local TV contracts I live in Connecticut and wondered about how state lotteries do their contracts with TV stations and/or markets within that state: All in-state drawings and PowerBALL air here on WTIC-TV/DT (FOX) channel 61/D 31 of Hartford. They've been aired by WTIC-TV since the spring of 1997. Most drawings are also simulcast by sister station WTXX-TV/DT (CW) channel 20/D 12 of Waterbury/Hartford. The Connecticut Lottery Corporation, currently based in New Britain, is moving to Rocky Hill in the fall (both are very close to Hartford). WFSB-TV/DT (CBS) channel 3/D 33 of Hartford is also moving to Rocky Hill, but in July and not the fall. I wonder if C.L.C. would look at a new contract with a new station? Hmmmm! Massachusetts Lottery drawings air nightly on WCVB-TV/DT (ABC) channel 5/D 20 of Boston. Strangely, I've never seen a drawing air for those in western Massachusetts on either NBC 22 or ABC 40 from Springfield. Tri-State drawings aren't even aired in ME, NH or VT, for what I understand. New Jersey Lottery's in-state drawings air on NJN, the New Jersey Network, which are PBS affiliates. How are the contracts done with multi-market states like NY and PA? WSB-TV Atlanta holds the contract for the Georgia Lottery, and is the flagship for the Mega Millions multistate drawing. (Glenn Burns, who does the drawings most of the time, is the station's chief meterologist). WSB has been doing the drawings since the lottery in Georgia started in 1993. I assume WSB will have the drawings as long as the lottery is around. All I know for sure about PowerBALL (which Connecticut has) is that it's normally done out of West Des Moines, IA. I don't know if that's anybody's TV studio or not. The Mid-Day 3 and Miday-4 Drawings at 1:57PM on FOX 61 are done from NUTMEG TV Public Access Studios in Plainville, CT. They told me this one time when was given a tour of the station when I had a job interview there 7 years ago and sometimes Joanie McCaully one of the big wheels

at Nutmeg TV draw's the numbers. That may have been the case 7 years ago, but I think all in-state drawings are now done at WTICTV in Hartford. Speaking of Mid-Day 3 and Mid-Day 4, they'll also be drawn on weekends starting in July. Won't that be fun to interrupt FOX NFL Sunday in HD with a SD crawl! Sad I think it's strange that the Florida lottery drawings are carried on WTLH Fox 49 licensed to Bainbridge, Georgia. Before they were carried on WTLH they were on Tallahassee PBS affiliate WFSU. http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/default/News_x_Events/TV_Stations/ Only a handful of stations carry the Texas Lottery drawings, but almost all newscasts give the winning numbers. I know that's true in Georgia, although the numbers go up during whatever the local stations are running at 7 PM; WSB does the nightly drawing at 6:59. Here in North Carolina, WRAL is the flagship station for the lottery drawing; in South Carolina, I believe it's WLTX, the CBS affiliate in Columbia. It's weirder in Orlando as WRBW-65 (My Network TV) airs Florida Lottery drawings. They don't even air the drawings live. I think WTMO-CA airs them live. Before that: 1988-1995 - WFTV 1995-1998 - WCPX/WKMG (english)/WVEN-LP (spanish) 1998-1999 - WOFL (english)/WVEN-LP (spanish) 1999-2001 - WOPX (english)/WTMO-LP (spanish) WGN has the contract for the Illinois Lottery. As far as I know, there is no other broadcast outlet in Illinois since WGN is carried on most of the state's cable systems and the drawings are aired during WGN News at Noon and Nine (which airs on the superstation feed. Illinois Lottery drawings can be seen nationwide, believe it or not). In Indiana, WTTV-Indianapolis carries their lottery drawings, but I believe it's also syndicated out market-to-market. This is WTTV's second go-around with. They lost the contract to WNDYIndianapolis from 1995-2000. In Miami, WPLG (English) and Telemundo 51 (Spanish) currently hold the Florida Lotto TV rights. Previously they were held by WFOR (English) & Univision 23 (Spanish). Before WFOR, I believe WTVJ aired it. In Fort Myers, WXCW (formerly known as WTVK & WNPL) airs the Lotto. In Tallahassee, I think WTWC aired the Lotto for a while before WTLH did. WTLH may have had it in a previous stint as well. Here is the link to the Lotto's TV Network: http://www.floridalottery.com/inet/mediatvdrawingsMain.do For the Chicago market, WGN airs both the Illinois Lottery & Mega Millions. For NW Indiana residents, WYIN 56/DT-17 airs the Hoosier Lottery and Powerball. Before WYIN took over airing

the Hoosier Lottery, WGBO 66 aired both the lottery drawings & then Lotto America, which later changed to Powerball. WGBO also had the Hoosier Millionaire show. They held it until December 31 1994 when the station was sold to Univision Broadcasting and went 24 hour Spanish language programming on January 1 1995. Then WJYS 62, like WYIN only covers the south suburbs of Chicago with their signal (their digital is a full market signal though) carried it for a few years, and forgot when they dropped everything Hoosier Lottery in favor of brokered religious programming & infommercials. After that, WYIN decided to pick it up. As for the Massachusetts Lottery: I believe the drawings were seen on WBZ-TV 4 from 1976(?) to 1987. I believe the Daily Numbers Game aired at 7:55. Then in 1987, it moved to WNEV (became WHDH in 1990). It was always on right along with Jeopardy! The Daily Numbers Drawing aired Monday through Saturday at 7:52, right in between Double and Final Jeopardy!, and Sunday at 6:52. Then after Final Jeopardy!, the specialty drawing (Mass Cash, Mass Millions, Megabucks) aired at 7:58. They kept it this way until 1994, when the drawings moved to WCVB Channel 5. The Numbers Game still aired at the same time, but in the beginning, the special drawing aired at 6:50 during the ABC News. Then in the fall, it moved to 7:10, and aired during Inside Edition. Then a few months after that, the drawings moved to 11:10 during the 11PM News, and have been there ever since. The BIG Game (now Mega Millions) was introduced in 1996, and has been airing around 11:00. On May 1, 1998, the drawings moved back to WBZ-4, and stayed there until 2001, when they moved to UPN38. In the fall of 2004, the contract ran out, and it moved back to WCVB Channel 5, and they introduced a dumbed-down new format which isn't nearly as good. Apparently, they don't have enough air time to do it the way they used to. I also heard that starting in 1998 or so, they only wanted The Lottery to be on one station for 3 years at a time, so that's why it kept moving. I don't know if that's still true with their new format, but they just recently moved the Mega Millions drawing from like 11:15 to 11:20 or so. So much for the Massachusetts Lottery. Let's discuss the Rhode Island lottery now. The Rhode Island Lottery has been airing on WPRI-12 for the longest time now. The Numbers drawing is done at 6:59 right before Wheel of Fortune every night, and Wild Money is done on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday nights at 7:29, right before Jeopardy! And Powerball airs at 11:30 or so on Wednesday and Saturday nights. I'm not sure how true the three year rotation is with the Mass Lottery. I do know that the contract with WSBK ran until May 2004. No other station had bid and WBZ-WSBK had no interest in continuing their contract. 38 did air drawings until September, when 5 picked them up. The Lottery must have worked out the host-less deal with WCVB to have a station air the drawing. What is interesting, though, is that some states pay stations to air the drawings. In Maryland, WBAL receives over $10Million over four years to air the drawings. I'm unsure of how it works in Massachusetts. As a state entity that information must be available somewhere but I am unable to find it. From what I understand, though, stations took the lottery drawings in Mass. in hopes of gaining ratings during the late news. The station incurred the costs; as I believe all the hosts were employees of the station. (Dawn Hayes just happened to be hired by 7, 5, 4/38 I guess). In Virginia the lottery drawings of course air pretty much throughout most of the state. I got this list from the Virginia Lottery's website. * WTVR-TV Richmond * WAVY-TV Hampton Roads * WDBJ-TV Roanoke * WCYB-TV Bristol * WHSV-TV Harrisonburg

What market is missing? Washington DC !!!! I guess those who play the Virginia Lottery in Northern Virginia are out of luck unless they get their numbers from either an online source or by watching the local DC newscasts. I think Richmond's WTVR is still available on cable in Charlottesville so that takes care of that area's players. Even though the site says the drawings air on Harrisonburg's WHSV, a few months back WHSV was actually split into two different channels as far as cable carriage goes. One for Harrisonburg and another for Winchester. Rockingham County ( Harrisonburg ) and the counties to the east and south get Harrisonburg while those counties to the north of Rockingham County gets Winchester. While the drawings do indeed air on Harrisonburg's WHSV, they do NOT air on Winchester's WHSV feed. If it does Ihave yet to see it nor does the Virginia Lottery promote it. Even on the two WHSV websites, Harrisonburg's ( www.whsv.com ) features a lottery section while Winchester's ( www.tv3winchester.com ) the lottery is missing. Considering that the Winchester-Front Royal areas are growing as fast as they are I think that is a mistake on the part of both the Virginia Lottery and WHSV. Anyone know if the D.C. stations carry the Maryland lottery drawings? Those stations are more heavily watched in Montgomery and Prince George's Counties than the Baltimore ones are, and those are heavily-populated D.C. suburbs. It is indeed odd that, since the D.C. stations are more heavily watched north of the Rappahannock than the Richmond ones are, that they wouldn't show Virginia lottery drawings. Does WTTV-TV/DT air PowerBall as well? I imagine so, it is run in tandem with the Hoosier Lottery drawings AFAIK. In California, our Lottery has been around since 1985. The drawings originate in Sacramento, while the Big Spin (the Lottery's long-running game show--on the air since '85) originates from Hollywood (out of L.A.'s PBS station KCET). However, The Big Spin originally taped in Sacramento (I believe out of KCRA-TV), and veteran game show host Geoff Edwards was one of the original hosts. The original format was that ten contestants were picked to spin the wheel, with prizes ranging anywhere between $10,000 to $1,000,000, and that was it. In later years, they added a "Double" (and then later, "Triple") spot on the wheel, giving the contestants a chance to win double or triple their prizes. When the show shifted to Hollywood in the mid-90s (and changed hosts in the process--four different hosts since Edwards left), the show completely changed its format, giving it more of a "Price is Right" feel to it, where contestants had to play games in order to win a change to spin the wheel. The show is currently produced by Jonathan Goodson Productions (yes, Mark's son). The California Lottery stations are... KCAL Los Angeles (also available in Palm Springs) KBFX Bakersfield KHSL Chico-Redding KYMA Yuma-El Centro KIEM Eureka KSEE Fresno KSBW Monterey-Salinas KCRA/KQCA Sacramento KUSI San Diego KRON San Francisco KSBY Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo

In Arizona, the following stations air the Arizona Lottery and PowerBall Phoenix (English): KNXV-TV 15 (ABC) - with translators all over northern and western Arizona. Phoenix (Spanish): KTVW-TV 33 (Univision) - with translators statewide, including satellite stations KUVE-TV/KUVE-CA 46/38 in Tucson. Tucson (English): KOLD-TV 13 (CBS) KNXV took over the lottery recently in Phoenix; KPNX had it before. Poor eastern Arizona (Safford/Duncan/Globe) gets left out when it comes to English language. Safford and Duncan's shared ABC translator's primary station is KGUN 9 Tucson, not KNXV, and their CBS primary station is KPHO-TV 5 Phoenix, not KOLD. Meanwhile, the only Phoenix network station without a Globe translator is KNXV. All three communities have their own KTVW translators, as que la loteria es en espaol solamente all. Hi everyone: Here in Denver, current FOX O&O KDVR 31 handles ALL Colorado Lottery drawings and associated drawings (i.e. PowerBall). They usually air either AT 9:00 PM before the start of the Wednesday & Saturday FOX 31 News @ 9:00 newscast or sometime during the aforementioned 9:00 PM newscasts (Usually within the first break or so). I'm guessing this is due to KDVR 31's reach to the Western Slope (Albeit via KFQX 4 in Grand Junction) even though KDVR doesn't have any reach into the Colorado Spings/Pueblo area. Before KDVR took it over, KCNC 4 had it in Denver. Not sure who had it in Grand Junction before KFQX 4 came along. Perhaps someone can provide fills and/or corrections here? Cheers Cheesy Top-10 Markets that don't have Owned and Operated Top 10 Markets that don't have the big four O & O stations. 5. San Francisco - FOX 6. Dallas/Fortworth - ABC 7. Boston - ABC, NBC 8. Washington - ABC, CBS 9. Atlanta - NBC, CBS, ABC 10. Houston - NBC, CBS What exactly is left to say? DFW's KXAS (NBC), according to Wikipedia, is quarter-owned by LIN as well. Obviously not much! As far as the CW goes, do Tribune stations still count as O&Os? Or does that title belong to stations like WPSG? Toss in (NOT)MyNetworkTv and Fox doesn't own the My stations in Philadelphia, San Francisco, Boston, and Atlanta. Tribune does not own any part of the CW. Thus Philadelphia, San Fran, Atlanta = the ONLY markets in the top 10 with CW O&Os. For most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC owned KGO-TV. The CBS affiliate became an O&O in a roundabout way - Westinghouse had

owned KPIX-TV for many years, then Westinghouse bought CBS - maybe 12 years ago now. When CBS was purchased by Viacom, KPIX remained an O&O. KRON, the former NBC affiliate was owned by the Chronicle Publishing Company until 2001, when the corporation sold off all its assets, including KRON. NBC tried to buy KRON, but failed - then moved the network affiliation to KNTV in San Jose, which they subsequently purchased, and now run as an O&O. There is actually a reason as for that. From the 1950s until 1986 the FCC could only own seven stations, and two of those had to be UHF, so the big three only owned the five VHF stations. All three networks could own the stations in the three biggest markets-NY, LA, Chicago-but the other two had to be in a city where the others did not have an O&O. So NBC had Washington and Cleveland, CBS had Philadelphia and St. Louis, and ABC got Detroit and San Francisco. In 1986 the FCC expanded the limit to twelve stations, and of course the Telecom Act of 1996 allowed for the current 39% cap. Thanks for clearing that up-I knew Tribune had a stake in the old WB, yet does not have on with the CW, which makes means the CW O&Os are KBCW, KMAX, KSTW, WGNT, WKBD, WLWC, WPCW, WPSG, WTOG WTVX, and WUPA, although both WLWC and WTVX have both been sold. Hi everyone: If you expand that to the Top 20, you can add... Denver (NBC, ABC, MyNetwork, CW) Denver had an NBC O&O until September 10, 1995 when the Big Switch happened, after which they lost out to CBS. Just my $.02 worth Cheesy Cheers Cheesy Err Pat Denver doesn't have either an ABC O&O nor a MyNetwork O&O. As far as I know Mc-Graw Hill still owns KMGH, and even when ABC was on KUSA, they were owned by Gannett. KTVD is owned by Gannett as well. Denver does have CBS and Fox O&Os though, as of course KCNC use to be an NBC O&O prior to the 1995 Westinghouse related switch(I worked there back in the good old days Smiley) Though these days NBC Universal does own KDEN, the Telemundo station. If you're going into the Top 20 markets, don't forget Seattle/Tacoma -- the only O&O in that market is KSTW, "CW-11", which is owned by CBS Corp, the half owner of the CW. CBS (KIRO) is Cox, NBC (KING) is Belo, ABC (KOMO) is Fisher, and Fox and MNTV (KCPQ and KMYQ) is Tribune. Expand to top 30 and you get an NBC O&O here: WVIT-TV/DT channel 30/D 35 of New Britain/Hartford. If you're going into the Top 20 markets, don't forget Seattle/Tacoma -- the only O&O in that market is KSTW, "CW-11", which is owned by CBS Corp, the half owner of the CW. CBS (KIRO) is Cox, NBC (KING) is Belo, ABC (KOMO) is Fisher, and Fox and MNTV (KCPQ and KMYQ) is Tribune. Also Phoenix, where Fox is the only O&O here, with KSAZ/10 (Fox) and KUTP/45 (My). CBS (KPHO/5) is owned by Meredith, NBC (KPNX/12) is Gannett, ABC (KNXV/15) is Scripps, and CW (KASW/61) is Belo. or most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC

owned KGO-TV. There is actually a reason as for that. From the 1950s until 1986 the FCC [only allowed ownership of] seven stations, and two of those had to be UHF, so the big three only owned the five VHF stations. ...both NBC (WBUF/17 Buffalo) and CBS (WXIX/19 Milwaukee) owned UHFs in the 1950s; I think NBC also owned a New England UHF around this time as well... Also Phoenix, where Fox is the only O&O here, That's just English-language secular. The ION (KPPX/51), TBN (KPAZ/21), Univision (KTVW/33), and Telemundo (KTAZ/39) stations are also O&O, as is Class A KFPH/35 (Telefutura). At least some of these stations probably get similar numbers as KASW does. Hartford being then-WHCT-TV channel 18, since they signed on before then-WTIC-TV channel 3 did (today they're WFSB-TV/DT while the WTIC-TV/DT call letters now belong to FOX channel 61/D 31 of Hartford). As for WXIX channel 19, are you sure you don't mean the Newport, KY-licensed FOX affiliate serving the Cincinnati market? The original WXIX-TV Channel 19 was in Milwaukee. How CBS got the station is one of the most convoluted stories in TV history. The license had been WOKY-TV prior to being bought by CBS, but used the facilities of WCAN-TV 25, the previous CBS affiliate in Milwaukee, which had gone dark - after receiving the old WOKY-TV facilities. It's now WVTV Channel 18 (the Milwaukee UHF allocations had been dropped down one channel in 1958). CBS sold WXIX-TV in 1959, after it moved to 18. Link: Milwaukee TV History The WXIX-TV in Cincinnati had originally been a CP issued in 1954 for Channel 74 as WNOP-TV Newport KY. It didn't get on the air until it was sold and moved to 19 in the late '60s. Yeah. How about we ammend this to "A list of the biggest markets" without all O&O's." Along with: "The biggest market without any O&Os." Also, are we including Fox and CW in this? Here is the rest of the list from Market#11 to Market #30. #11 Detroit - ABC, NBC #12 Tampa St. Petersburg - ABC, CBS, NBC #13 Phoenix - ABC, CBS, NBC #14 - Seattle, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX #15 - Minneapolis-St. Paul - ABC, NBC, FOX #16 - Miami - Ft. Lauderdale - ABC, FOX #17 - Cleveland - ABC, CBS, NBC #18 - Denver - ABC, NBC #19 - Orlando - ABC, CBS, NBC #20 - Sacramento, ABC, NBC, FOX #21 - St. Louis, ABC, CBS, NBC #22 - Pittsburg ABC, NBC, FOX

#23 - Portland, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX #24 - Baltimore - ABC, NBC, FOX #25 - Indianapolis - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX #26 - Charlotte - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX #27 - San Diego - ABC, CBS, FOX #28 - Hartford-New Haven - ABC, CBS, FOX #29 - Raleigh-Durham - NBC, CBS, FOX #30 - Nashville, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX Here is the rest of the list from Market#11 to Market #30. #11 Detroit - ABC, NBC #12 Tampa St. Petersburg - ABC, CBS, NBC In Tampa WFTS(ABC) is owned by Scripps, WTSP (CBS) is owned by Gannett and WFLATV(NBC) is owned by Media General. Quote #13 Phoenix - ABC, CBS, NBC #14 - Seattle, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX #15 - Minneapolis-St. Paul - ABC, NBC, FOX I thought FOX owned KMSP. They do. Woops, I type to fast and forgot about KMSP FOX 9. FOX Owned and Operated station. So Seattle is the largest market with NO O&O stations not counting the CW, and Portland is the largest market with no O&O stations counting the CW. We get no respect here in the Pacific Northwest! Charlotte was the largest market with no O&O stations before the CW merger. Philadelphia is the ONLY market with ALL O&O stations. Morgan -I still miss the 10pm news on Channel 11. As I was growing up, I watched the 10 o'clock News every night. In fact, the intro showed a number of people in Seattle. My Grandmother was in there for about 3 or 4 years in the 80's, until they changed the intro. So Seattle is the largest market with NO O&O stations not counting the CW, and Portland is the largest market with no O&O stations counting the CW. We get no respect here in the Pacific Northwest! I guess if that's how you consider being respected... Personally, I'd rather see the TV stations affiliate-owned, especially if the affiliates are local. That way, the networks don't decide my market's TV schedule, ramming New York or Los Angeles community standards down my throat. I think it's great that Bonneville decides what's best for KSLTV and the Salt Lake City market, not NBC, and I may not agree with every decision Bonneville might make.

In my eyes, you're respected more, because the networks leave you alone. O&O Stations before 1986 (ABC, NBC, CBS) Just wondering before the ownership cap was increased to 12 stations from 7 stations (5 of which could be VHF), I know, ABC, NBC and CBS had stations in New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago. ABC had it's two additional VHF stations in San Francisco and Detroit NBC had it's two other VHF in Cleveland and Washington DC CBS had VHF stations in St Louis and Philadelphia I was just wondering about the attempts that the networks might have made to open O&O UHF stations. I think CBS had made attempts at UHF in Hartford and Milwaukee while NBC tried a UHF in Buffalo. Did ABC try any UHF O&O Another question I can see why NYC, LA and Chicago were O&O by all three networks, but why was there no duplication in the other cities that had network O&O VHF. Also did the networks always have O&O in those cities? I think CBS had affiliates in Chicago and LA before buying stations in those areas Thanks Good question. The Hartford instance you mentioned was in the early days of channel 18, then WHCT-TV, now WUVN-TV/DT (UNI). Channel 18 signed on before WTIC-TV channel 3 did (now WFSB-TV/DT). Naturally, CBS wanted a strong VHF affiliation, so... Today, the only O&O in Hartford/New Haven is WVIT-TV/DT (NBC) channel 30/D 35 of New Britain. Merideth owns CBS (WFSB), LIN owns ABC and MY (WTNH and WCTX) and Tribune owns FOX and CW (WTIC and WTXX). I was just wondering about the attempts that the networks might have made to open O&O UHF stations. I think CBS had made attempts at UHF in Hartford and Milwaukee while NBC tried a UHF in Buffalo. Dumont made a UHF attempt in Kansas City on Channel 25. It came and went within three months in 1954, when the network was already dying. Quote Did ABC try any UHF O&O ABC inherited Channel 30 in Fresno when they were bought out by Cap Cities. I don't believe they ever tried to start a UHF station of their own in the early '50s. They were barely making it prior to the United Paramount Theaters merger in 1953 and even afterwards had the worst affiliates outside of NY, Chicago, and LA, including lots of weak UHFs, some shared with Dumont. Quote Another question I can see why NYC, LA and Chicago were O&O by all three networks, but why was there no duplication in the other cities that had network O&O VHF.

I thought there was an FCC rule about that, where only one network could own a station in a given market outside of the Big 3. But Philly did have two network O&Os between 1956 and 1965 after the KYW/WNBK (now WKYC) swap with Westinghouse. NBC had WRCV-TV/3 and CBS had WCAU-TV/10. Of course, the FCC made the swap invalid in '65. NBC got Cleveland's Channel 3 back and kept it until 1989. Quote Also did the networks always have O&O in those cities? I think CBS had affiliates in Chicago and LA before buying stations in those areas Chicago's CBS programming was mostly on the UPT/Balaban & Katz-owned WBKB Channel 4 but some shows were aired on WGN-TV Channel 9. WGN's affiliation ended when CBS bought Channel 4 in the aftermath of the UPT/ABC merger that sent the WBKB call letters to ABC's WENR-TV Channel 7 and forced the now-combined company to sell Channel 4. In LA, the original CBS affiliate was KTTV Channel 11, which was jointly owned by the LA Times and CBS - technically not an O&O by FCC standards (although they had a problem with a similar relationship between Paramount and Dumont at the same time). CBS sold its interest in 1951 when it bought KTSL Channel 2 and moved its programming there. Dumont programming then moved from KTSL to KTTV. ABC's original five o&os (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit) were on Channel 7 for two reasons. Right after World War II, rumors started that the federal government was going to reserve Channels 2-6 for the military, with the result that 7 would be the first, and most desirable, position on the dial. Second, these were, in the late 1940s, the five largest markets where 7 had been allocated (I think Washington, DC, was next and its Channel 7 affiliated with ABC). Of course we know that 2-6 did not go to the military, but the five ABC o&os on 7 became huge factors in their markets, even up against stations on the lower channels. Part of the reason may be that ABC's lack of programs (especially in daytime, prior to 1958) led its stations to create their own, giving them a "hometown" feel the CBS and NBC stations didn't have (I got that from Leonard Goldenson's autobiography). The "Eyewitness News" format, although it started on the Westinghouse station in Philadelphia, is possibly the ultimate example of this "we're your neighbors" approach. Shooting At Virginia Tech University Hi everyone: ...All three cable news channels are LIVE on the air. Also WSLS 10 is LIVE on the web @ www.wsls.com/ More info as I get it. Pat

Why is my first thought that come this fall, we'll start seeing nonstop sappy talk on ESPN about how "inspirational" the V-Tech football team is no matter how good or bad they are (but ESPECIALLY if they contend for even the ACC title)? Man that's COLD. Where's your taste? You are an [EDIT] ESPN has a long history of Tech-bashing. I'm sure on PTI a parallel will be drawn to Marcus Vick's ejection from the team to today's shootings. That's ESPN's speed. G [EDIT-inflammatory] Taste is overrated. I don't particularly care for stories like this. What, 30 people died? Yawn. None of them were me, and none of them knew me. You may say "What a tragedy" but how does it affect me, or even you? That's why I doubt there is a single news agency in the country on any level that actually sticks to reporting news that actually matters. Watching local news feels like watching "The Crime Report". I can understand that if the police is giving public safety info, or asking for your help in catching a criminal (and thus when the criminal is actually caught), but do we really need to know what every small-time crook in the DMA is doing? If NPR is going wall-to-wall on this story it will confirm my suspicions. Before drawing any more conclusions, please visit my blog http://morganwick.blogspot.com especially the "About me" posts. I was watching the local Central VA news about this subject at noon. I believe that CBS 6 did the best, WRIC 8 did pretty good, but I think WWBT 12 drop the ball on this one, they did the worst. CBS 6 suspended their LCL commercials, and their weather. From what I saw, 12 did not. Sad thing is that 12 is the number one station in this market, IMO it shouldn't. 6 beats out both 12 & 8. Sad event... Watching the news conference on CNN I couldn't help but notice a voice asking questions that sounded a LOT like Katie Couric. Did CBS actually send their nightly anchor down to the presser? How common is that??? Were Briwn Williams and Charles Gibson there too?!? Williams was still on his way to campus at the time of the shooting, according to The Daily Nightly blog (dailynightly.msnbc.com). I'm not sure about Gibson's status though. I didn't know of this event until I got to work today...so were any of the big 3 nets broadcasting about this before 6:30? Like most events, every network had identical coverage in the Evening news - at least in the first half hour. I didn't know of this event until I got to work today...

I didn't know about this event until just about lunchtime when the news came across the local oldies radio station I was listening to. Quote Like most events, every network had identical coverage in the Evening news - at least in the first half hour. As did the local stations in the area. Also, interestingly enough, the DC area stations were wall to wall as well. I say this because WTTG 5 (FOX) WJLA 7 (ABC) & WUSA 9 (CBS) are (Or at least were) LIVE on the web with their coverage. Cheers Cheesy Why is my first thought that come this fall, we'll start seeing nonstop sappy talk on ESPN about how "inspirational" the V-Tech football team is no matter how good or bad they are (but ESPECIALLY if they contend for even the ACC title)? Such antipathy! I don't mean to be rude, but sometimes it is best to keep such thoughts to ourselves. What's the point of a message board then? (And yes, I know this logic leads to legitimizing trolling.) Morgan, I didn't start this thread for you or anyone else to start or hurl flames. I started it to provide our coverage of the TV coverage of the Virginia Tech massacre (Which I'm surprised no one had started before I did I might add). If you or anyone else have a problem keeping your personal opinions to yourselves, then please TAKE IT OUTSIDE. Now let's get back to the subject at hand, shall we? Cheers Cheesy didn't know of this event until I got to work today...so were any of the big 3 nets broadcasting about this before 6:30? Like most events, every network had identical coverage in the Evening news - at least in the first half hour. All 3 had cut-ins around 12:30. Brian and Charlie were at their networks desk, while Kelly Wallace handled things at CBS. Was Katie already on her way to the scene, or just MIA at the worst possible moment? All 3 also carried the Virginia Tech president's press conference just before 5pm. Katie was on her way to the scene. After President Bush Spoke about it during the 4PM Hour the guy on CBS said "More on the CBS Evening News after your local news with Katie Couric Live on the Scene." WCBS had someone down there for their 6 p.m. and WNBC said they will have someone down their for their 11 p.m. show. It is a bit nuts, since we have the big Nor'easter story going on here in the tri-state. I watched Katie (someone has to) at 6:30 and she said that the newscast would be an hour. My local CBS station only aired the usual 30 minutes so as not to pre-empt the more profitable Wheel of Fortune at 7. Anyone know if ABC & NBC's news aired for an hour? Also, when world news is expanded due to breaking news, do most stations air the expanded newscasts or only the stations in the region

affected? I would think stations in the affected area would opt to stay local. Also, as might be expected, Nightline will air for one hour Monday night. None of the other nets expanded the Evening News to an hour, but they will be doing 1 hour specials later in the evening - Nightline and Dateline on ABC and NBC. Did you notice that Katie cut off the Facebook story in order to allow some affiliates to split away? L-A-M-E. For the record, WISH-TV and WTHI-TV in Indiana both took the extra half hour. I saw Charles Gibson on right up until Dancing with the Stars here in Boston... I presume he's continuing coverage online or something. I think this board is a good place to discuss media coverage of this major story, but speculating about how VT football will be presented, and taking an attitude of "this doesn't concern me" is cold and callous. This was the biggest mass-shooting in the history of the U.S. for gawd sakes. Have some compassion. From a media standpoint, CNN seems to be a bit more intense on the story than Fox News and MSNBC, but not by much. The Don Imus story is over, done. Most importantly, prayers to the victims and families of those involved with this tragedy today. WCBS had someone down there for their 6 p.m. and WNBC said they will have someone down their for their 11 p.m. show. It is a bit nuts, since we have the big Nor'easter story going on here in the tri-state. WSB-TV Atlanta sent a reporter to Blacksburg. I don't know about Cox sister WSOC Charlotte (closer to the scene, could have done a pool report for all of the Cox stations, I say this because WSB relied on a reporter from sister WHIO Dayton for Ohio-based coverage during the Bluffton University bus crash last month, which occured only about a mile from the WSB studios). As far as I know, local stations here in Atlanta stuck with normal programming except for network cut-ins. Anyone know if ABC & NBC's news aired for an hour? Nightly News ran with "limited commercial interruption", but I don't think they went to an hour. Just curious, where is CNN's prime-time host Anderson Cooper during this story? He was off Monday, and again tonight. Hmmm... He was in Afghanistan preparing for a week of shows on the situation over there. As soon as the story broke, he started making his way back stateside (can't exactly get a direct flight out of there these days). He should be back on the air tonight. What bugs me is the media constantly presents this as the biggest mass shooting. Which it is, but that is misleading, while it's the largest number by a gun it is NOT the largest death toll of a school. This happened in 1927 in Bath Michigan. A man used a series of bombs and killed 35 students in a one room school house ranging from elementary to high school. He then killed an additional 10

adults (including his wife). He was upset over the school and the rise in his property tax. But the news media HAS to used DEADLIEST SHOOTING in order to get viewers and while technically correct it's misleading. But to say it's the SECOND highest number of victims is not ratings worthy. The news media is constantly presenting these killings as a new phenomena but it isn't. Violence existed far back even calculated cold killings like Leopold and Loeb go back decades and decades. Now all I get on my local news is friends of relatives telling third hand information. There is nothing "news" worthy about telling me that this guy in Chicago had a friend who's brother went to Virginia Tech, not that he was killed but that he went there. Not that he was even in the building but he was just on a campus of 25,000 students. That was just on WGN-TV News. His opinion isn't news it's worthless, yet WGN is so desperate it brings on all these people who's sole function is to get on TV and be famous. We have real issues and once again they take a back seat to sensationalism. Now we have another five minutes of a trained counselor telling parent HOW to talk to their kids because "they won't know how to cope." Good grief. Local newscasts on PBS stations? I know WHYY in Philly/Wilmington has one. Two PBS stations here in New Mexico, KRWG and KENW have newscasts as well (News 22 and News 3 New Mexico respectively), and I suspect it's because they are rimshot stations in-between markets. I think the PBS stations in Alaska have one, maybe. Any others? San Bernardino Valley College's KVCR tried a nightly 11pm newscast in 2005, but it only lasted a few months. Back in the 1970s WXXI in Rochester had a nightly TV newscast on the air from 6 to 6:30 pm. It was called Rochester Reports and it was cancelled due to budget cuts. Years later the station started airing a once-a-week news program which is now called Need to Know. That show concentrates on just one story plus interviewing guests in the studio. The staff consisted of a full time host, a videographer and once in a while I was asked to help out as a field reporter. Now, from what I understand, the show just has a host and videographer. I don't see the station putting money and resources into a nightly TV news product because that would mean having to hire more reporters and support staff. And I don't believe management is about to open its purse strings for such a venture. WUNC/4 Chapel Hill had newscasts at 12:30 and 6 PM in the '60s; in the early '70s there was a newscast on the state public-TV system that aired around 7 PM. I don't remember any details about it, since I didn't live in North Carolina at the time. There was also a period of about a year or so in 1963 and '64 when WUNC carried The Huntley-Brinkley Report (with PSAs instead of commercials); this is when the Triangle had only two commercial stations, with WRAL carrying ABC's Ron Cochran and

WTVD carrying Walter Cronkite. The South Carolina ETV station in Beaufort, WJWJ channel 16, had a local newscast until the end of 2005. It was a pretty decent production, but what I loved about it was the '70s-style logo and ID slide (!) WJWJ cut to when they'd break from the main feed out of Columbia. They've since replaced the newscast with several locally-produced weekly shows. I wish they still had it, though. WJWJ isn't on cable in the Savannah area, despite it putting a fairly good signal into parts of the metro area, especially up into Effingham County, where I live. Their website: www.wjwj.org --Russell We have two in Indiana. Vincennes University's WVUT 22 in Vincennes, IN has a 5pm newscast which is repeated at 11pm. WVUT's newscast is student-operated and only runs during the fall and spring semesters. Also, WYIN 56 in Gary runs a newscast at 9pm weeknights with an encore presentation at 11pm. Ball State's PBS station was going to launch a daily 30 minute newscast, but scrapped the idea due to lack of funding. Instead WIPB 49 in Muncie launched a nightly 5 minute newsbrief program during primetime called "Newslink Indiana." I believe that was even scrapped sometime last year. NJN has been doing state newscasts for years, and if I'm not mistaken, still feed their newscasts to WNET/New York (transmitter in Newark). NJN News is a 100 percent New Jersey newscast seen weekdays at 5:30 PM on Thirteen/WNET and 6 PM on NJN. Correction: Thirteen/WNET is licensed to Newark NJ and transmits from the Empire State Building in NYC. WGBH/2 in Boston had a newscast at 10 PM for many years, I believe predating even WNEW-TV in New York. The Ten O'Clock News on WGBH was cancelled around 1991. WUSI Channel 16 in Olney, IL and WSUI Channel 8 Carbondale, IL both run by Southern Illinois University run newscasts when school is in session WEIU Channel 51 in Charleston IL run by Eastern Illinois Univesity runs a newscast. All three stations are PBS and all are run by students for credits. ...I seem to recall WHA-TV/21 Madison doing one in the early '70s that they called "Six30," aired at 6:30 P.M. weeknights. This was before Wisconsin Public Television had its network of stations up and running (WPNE-TV/38 Green Bay was the only one operating by that time) and programming on all the stations -- WHA-TV included -- was identical. I think WHA-TV discontinued it around the time PBS started offering "The Captioned ABC Evening News" and "The MacNeil-Lehrer Report"... I think this was during the period when WRAL-TV presented editorials by a station executive named Jesse Helms [a future US Senator]. His conservatism of the day may have had something to do with that station carrying ABC News instead of NBC. KOCE 50/Orange County-Los Angeles runs a Monday-Friday 6:30 PM and 11 PM 1/2 hour newscast focusing on Orange County rather than Los Angeles called "Real Orange". Ed Arnold, for

many years the primary sports anchor on KABC-TV, is the male anchor. www.koce.org/realorange In the late 90's WBTV in Charlotte moved their 10:00 newscast from WJZY channel 46 to WTVI channel 42, this lasted several years before it was cancelled and then later they put it back on WJZY where it remains today. For a few years in the late '60s-early '70s, WQED-13 in Pittsburgh offered "Newsroom". Anchored by John Roberts [formerly of KDKA-TV, and who has since passed on] and later Herb Stein. In the '90s, Maryland Public Television (producers of "Wall $treet Week" and "Motorweek") and Twin Cities Public Television ("Newton's Apple", "Dragonfly TV", "Hoop Dreams") had Newsnight Maryland and Newsnight Minnesota respectively. Both lasted a few years. MPT and TPT may know how to produce some of PBS' popular shows (including a documentary that was ultimately ignored by the Oscars), but they can't produce good statewide newscasts...except if you happen to be in North Carolina, where UNC-TV (The Woodwright's Shop) has "North Carolina Now" Jonathan Allen As I have read about it, NewsLink Indiana's planned 30 minute newscast was not canceled due exactly to a lack of funding, at least not on an individual basis, it was more of a concern that the existing donations and underwriting that WIPB (PBS) received would be redirected toward the newscast, and that the existing local programming would then lose funding. I think they should have tried it, because I think the newscast could have been the centerpiece to increase local ratings and audience, and could have ultimately been a tentpole that the other local programming could benefit from. They still do 5 minute cut-ins at various points throughout the day. In prime time, IIRC, one cut-in is news, and the other is an extended weathercast. The entire package is summarized as a daily video podcast. Find them at http://www.newslinkindiana.com/ . Thanks for clarifying the status of Newslink Indiana, Johnathan. I, too, read a newspaper article about Newslink Indiana, however, it wouldn't surprise me whether they got their facts messed up somehow. I agree with you about the newscast. They should at least attempt to do a 30 minute version of the program. The resources are certainly there. The T-Comm department at Ball State is top-notch and the students probably hunger real world experience at this point in their careers more than a paycheck. Newslink Indiana would serve as a learning tool, while at the same time, give East-central Indiana a much needed news source. Areas like Muncie, Marion, New Castle, and Richmond are often ignored by the surrounding television news operations, and WIPB could certainly cover the area much better without much effort. I see the addition of the newscast on WIPB as a benefit for the station rather than a disadvantage. Who knows, doing so may generate more viewers who would otherwise watch the PBS stations in Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, & Dayton. That would generate more contributions. Student operated is one thing, but an experienced news team on a local PBS is rare. Chicago's WTTW, "Chicago Tonight", comes close, but is really more of an interview program than newscast. WHYY's Delaware Tonight newscast isn't a student run broadcast either. They are using an experienced news staff also. They do news during the first half of the broadcast and then they do interviews and features. Their newscast is a half hour from 5:30pm to 6 then WHYY airs the Jim Leheir News Hour followed by the Nightly Business Report. A solid 2 hour block of informational

programming. You can't forget OETA's (Oklahoma) 6:30pm Statewide newscast. Also, I'm not sure if one of the Utah PBS stations 7/9/11 still has a student-run newscast; they did during the 90s - NPR did a story about it. Also WUFL, Channel 5 in Gainesville, Florida also has a newscast. Jim Additionally - I seem to recall that at some time last year, they were producing a 30 minute nightly newscast (M-F), but only airing it on a cable access station which was only available on BSU campus. When WIPB gets the equipment, it'd be nice if they could at least put the 30 minute newscast on a digital subchannel, if it is still around. 9.5 hours of daily local news I just read that South Florida's Fox station is adding another half-hour of local news at 4:30pm. 7NEWS had recently expanded to 9 hours of local news a day and now the station adds 30 more minutes on top of that. Is this the most local news of any tv station in America? When you add in the Daily infotainment program "Deco Drive" WSVN broadcasts 10 hours of local programming a day. 7NEWS TODAY IN FLORIDA 5-9am 7NEWS at Noon 12-1pm 7NEWS 4-7pm 7NEWS 10-11:30 Hi everyone: I think the two Gannett stations here in Denver probably rivals that. Here's their newscast lineup.... SUNDAY: ======= 7:00 AM - 9:00 AM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 (NBC) 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 (Was on MyNetwork affiliate sister station KTVD 20 during regular NFL season) 9:00 PM - 9:30 PM - 9NEWS on KTVD 20 10:00 PM - 10:35 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 MONDAY-FRIDAY: ============= 5:00 AM - 7:00 AM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 7:00 AM - 9:00 AM - 9NEWS on KTVD 20 12:00 NOON - 12:30 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 4:00 PM - 5:30 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 6:00 PM - 6:30 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9 9:00 PM - 9:30 PM - 9NEWS on KTVD 20 10:00 PM - 10:35 PM - 9NEWS on KUSA 9

The Saturday newscast schedule basically follows the Sunday schedule above. Cheers Cheesy Pat Dallas-Fort Worth has quite a bit for the news junkies: 5am - 7am KDFW/4, KXAS/5, WFAA/8, KTVT/11 7am - 9am 4's news continued 9am - 10am 8 (if you want to call this one a newscast) 10am - 11am 5 12pm - 12:30pm 4, 8 12:30pm - 1pm 8's news continued 4pm - 4:30pm 5, 11 4:30pm - 5pm 5's news continued 5pm - 5:30pm 4, 5, 8, 11, KUVN/23 (Spanish), KXTX/39 (Spanish) 5:30pm - 6pm 4's news continued 6pm - 6:30pm 4, 5, 8, 11 7pm - 9pm KTXA/21 9pm - 9:30pm 4, 23, KDAF/33, 39 9:30pm - 10pm 4's news continued, 33's news continued 10pm - 10:30(35)pm 4, 5, 8, 11 12:35am - 1:10am 8, 11 (repeat of 10pm) 1am - 2am 4 (repeat of 9pm) 3am - 4am 4 (repeat of 9pm, again) Added together (not counting weekends), by my calculations, this is **30 1/2** hours of daily news programs (KDFW/4 - 9 1/2 hours, KXAS/5 - 5 1/2 hrs, WFAA/8 - 6 hrs, KTVT/11 - 4 1/2 hrs, KTXA/21 - 2 hrs, KUVN/23 - 1 hr, KDAF/33 - 1 hr, KXTX/39 - 1 hr). On 9/11 which cable networks changed their programming for that day only? On 9/11 which cable networks changed their programming for that day only? In other words, some of the cable networks decided to co-air sister news channel programming instead of their own programming. Some even displayed messages asking viewers to tune into a news channel for information. Which cable networks did this, and what did they do on the air? Anything associated with Viacom was running CBS News. I also recall the shopping channels had signed off with a statement expressing remorse for the victims of 9/11. Premium movie channels continued uninterrupted. The other cable networks often rebroadcast Headline News or CNN. I recall our local Fox affiliate stayed with Judge Joe Brown for at least 30 minutes after the first plane crashed into the WTC. They jumped to Fox News finally. The independent stations in our market continued regular programming. If you recall, there was also a conscious decision for children-oriented cable networks to stay with regular programming as a safe harbor for kids traumatized by the events. Comcast Sports had a blank screen and maybe an advisory to tune into news. ESPN ran ABC news IIRC CNN showed the entire day's events starting from when the first plane hit the tower,when that happened immediately Headline News switched over to CNN and covered it all there. MSNBC and CNBC immediately went to the Today Show where both stations carried it in its entirety and then

when the Stock Market closed for the day whenever both towers fell,CNBC went into all news mode. Even QVC closed up for the day right about noon and showed a black screen for the rest of the day. ...below is an email I posted to several lists I'm on on the evening of 11 September 2001; it details some of the activity I was able to see over Dish Network that day... +++++++++ I am sending this to various e-mail lists that I am on. I fully realise that this subject matter is expressly off-topic for at least half of these lists, but I have seen posts on all but one of them pertaining to this morning's events, and the one that has been silent I happen to own. I do hope all of my fellow list-owners and moderators will allow me this indulgence considering the context. One additional thing I would like to suggest is that each person reading this message, to the best of their capabilities, print out this and all other messages on their lists pertaining to today's events and present the printouts to their community's nearest Historical Society as documentation of the Internet's reach and capacity for immediate communication. I collect recordings of news broadcasts from World War Two, and occasionally play them on my radio shows. I have stated many times, while introducing these broadcasts, how I would dearly love to have heard the communication between common folks as these events were going on. Today, we have this capacity, and I hope this will allow for at least one tiny positive element to arise from the sheer blackness this day has been indellibly stamped with. As coincidence would have it, I had fallen asleep last night while watching WPIX-TV in New York on my satellite TV system. I began waking up around 7:30 Central Time, at which time I heard their screening of Maury Povich's talk show. I briefly fell asleep, reawakening around 8:10, when I noticed there was no sound coming from the TV. I immediately glanced over to the TV and saw DishNetwork's standard character generator message stating that "the programming provider was having technical difficulties." I switched at that time to KTLA in Los Angeles (coincidentially, co-owned with WPIX by Tribune Broadcasting), as I frequently watch their morning newscast. The first image I saw was of the World Trade Center on fire, the image being marked as coming from WPIX. My immediate thought was, "No wonder 11 is having technical difficulties." WPIX transmits on Channel 11 in the local New York area, and IIRC, WPIX was one of the stations transmitting from the WTC. In fact, I believe WPIX switched its "11" logo some years back to purposely resemble the twin WTC towers (perhaps a sudden redesign or outright dropping of channel reference is in the works in the next few days?). I briefly switched back to WPIX, which was still out, and then to the other New York area station I receive via satellite, WWOR, which was also out (I suspect that WWOR, though licensed to Secaucus, New Jersey, is also one of the stations transmitting from the WTC.) I don't know this for a fact, but I think DishNetwork also used the WTC as one of their uplink locations to send signals from New York to its Denver technical operations center; as both WWOR and WPIX have since reappeared on the system, DishNetwork has a backup uplink in place elsewhere in NYC.

Then I switched back to KTLA, at which time I saw the footage run back of the second plane crashing into the WTC. I immediately grabbed a blank VHS tape and started recording the coverage. I stayed with it for a while, then went to wake up my father who was asleep in another room and turned on the TV in his room. I then went to the bathroom and showered with Chicago news station WBBM on the radio; it was during the shower that the first tower collapse came. I was back in frnt of the TV by the time the second tower collapsed; in the same period I felt horror at the event I was watching and annoyance that KTLA anchors Carlos Amezcua and Emmett Miller weren't reacting to the collapse as it was happening. Then Amezcua commented that we were seeing "videotape of the [first tower] collapse from a different angle" a few seconds before realising that what he was seeing was a _live_ picture from New York. After a few more minutes, I switched to KCBS-TV, the Los Angeles local CBS network outlet. Leaving the VCR recording, I then left to go to the radio station I work for. Ironically, the station has been off the air since Thursday morning after its tower and transmitter were hit by lightning in a thunderstorm, but I suspected I could do something useful if need be. As it turned out, calls were pouring in to the station from organizations cancelling their events and churches notifying us of hurriedly-scheduled prayer services. We also were getting calls from listeners who were aware that we were off the air but still wanted to know if we had any community news to pass along. After a couple of hours, I came back home. I flipped around the satellite system to see what the different networks were doing. Some, like The Food Network, Shop At Home TV, The Do-It-Yourself Channel and HGTV, shut down their programming completely. Home Shopping Network switched over to coverage from the Canadian CBC network (which I'm currently taping), while QVC repeated a simple appeal for viewer assistance through the American Red Cross. (Crassly, some of the shop-at-home channels continued running infomercials.) Some networks switched to news coverage from their co-owned services -- TBS, TNT and the various CNN specialty networks switched to CNN; Fox Movie Channel, FX and the Fox Sports Net channels switched to Fox News; MTV, VH1, and CMT switched to CBS; MSNBC, ShopNBC and CNBC simulcast NBC; ESPN was running ABC. Among the other channels and networks, WSBK Boston (the local UPN affiliate) was showing CBS, PAX was running CNN, ESPNews continued its sports news programming but displayed a graphic in the lower right of the screen telling viewers to tune to their local ABC stations for coverage of the attack. Incredulously, such comedy-based networks as Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, Boomerang and the Nickelodeon channels were continuing to show cartoons and sitcoms, as was The Hallmark Channel. In fact, Hallmark was running an old episode of "Bewitched" on which, as I tuned in, Dick York could be heard decrying something as being "a very bad idea" -- which is what I considered the continued screening of that show on this afternoon to be. Finally, I see on one of the collectors' lists that I'm on that some sicko(s) took to eBay to try to auction off WTC memorabilia, including a couple of subway signs from the WTC depot. To its apparent credit, eBay appears to be removing these items as soon as they hear about them. That's all from Chicagoland at this moment. More when events warrant.

One station that I was shocked didn't go off the air was The Weather Channel. I remember cause i was watching it and they never even mentioned the attacks or had a scroll or anything. I know they only talk about weather, but you think they would have suspended programming. Even the shopping networks did. Shop-At-Home Network ran CNN Headline News. WSAH/43 the Summit America owned S@Home affilate in Bridgeport, CT went dark showing pictures of peace and god bless america and stuff like that. PAX 26 New London, CT began simulcasting NBC 30 at around 12 Noon. WB20 Watebury, CT simulcast sister station FOX 61 for a while. But I think one of them also showed Jenny Jones too. At 3PM the normal start time for Kids WB! something called The WB Network News Came on and I think it was being fed from WPIX. UPN 59 New Haven, CT simulcast sister station WTNH/ABC News Channel 8, except for the overnight when they switched over to their regular Shop-at-Home Network feed, which was sitll running CNN Headline News. Telemundo-13 Hartford, CT ran Telemundo's feed all night long instead of switching to Jewelry Television at 12AM. (So I have no idea what Jewelry Television was doing). TLC was simulcasting BBC American. One of the CSPAN Channels was simulcasting Washington's WUSA CBS 9. The PBS affiliate CPTV also had a cable only service called CPTV2, but I'm unsure what they did. CPTV2 was also a partime station only on the air 8AM-4PM. (The rest of the time they'd show CTN the CT Government channel). VH1 was simulcasting WCBS Hi everyone: CNN Pipeline was showing the event as it happened from about 8:30 AM till 12 MIDNIGHT ET. It'd be interesting to see what ABC News Now was showing when there weren't breaking news developments of the events yesterday. I'm only sorry I wasn't able to see. As for programming on the Denver stations, since all the major events of 9/11 took place rather early, all the Denver stations were able to run much of their regular programming (including network programming) yesterday, leaving the minor developments to the cable news outlets. I suspect that sometime after 8:00 AM Denver time (Which was about the time the story of the crash of United Flight 93 in Shanksville, PA was confirmed) and after the ceremonies in Shanksville were over, there really wasn't much left for them to air. And for the West Coast stations, it was even earlier (7:00 AM). How did West Coast stations compensate for the breakaways the networks had to do for viewers on the East Coast when they (West Coast stations) ran the morning news shows? Cheers Cheesy Pat

It was all pretty much one national feed around 6:15 or 6:30 on all the west coast stations. Who Has The Local OTA Rights To ESPN & NFL Network Games In Your Area? Hi everyone: I was thumbing through the sports pages earlier tonight and came across the Denver Broncos 2006 schedule. Among all the obvious things that should be in it was something that took me by surprise. In fact, I was FLOORED by it. If you've watched any of Denver's three preseason games aired via local OTA this year, you probably noticed that the station who has the local OTA rights to Broncos preseason games is CBS O&O KCNC 4 (With FSN Rocky Mountain having re-broadcast rights and providing the sideline reporter). Well GUESS WHO has the local OTA rights to Broncos games on ESPN & NFL Network this year. FOX O&O KDVR 31. Now I figured that when KDVR 31 carried the Houston-Denver preseason game that was also on NFL Network last week, I kinda figured Okay....SOMEONE has to pick up the NFL Network OTA rights, so it may as well be them.. As such, I wasn't too surprised to see that they'll be the one to carry the Denver-Kansas City game on Thanksgiving Night (Though there's gonna be an awful lot of local Dallas Cowboy fans who will be upset should the Cowboys game go into overtime and KDVR is forced to drop the game to pick up the Denver-Kansas City game). HOWEVER, boy did I get the shock of my life when I saw that KDVR will also be carrying the ESPN Monday Night games as well. I would've thought FOR SURE those games would've gone to Gannett-owned KTVD 20, the local now-soon-to-be MY Network affiliate as KTVD 20 picking up the Broncos Monday Night games would've made much more sense than an O&O of one of ESPN sister network ABC's rival networks would. At least one would think.... Thoughts? All this said,....Who has the local OTA rights to ESPN & NFL Network games in YOUR area? Any surprises? Cheers Cheesy Up until now, the Patriots were carried by WCVB-TV/DT (ABC) channel 5/D 20 of Boston. I'm not sure who carried the Jets and Giants over-the-air in New York. Last night here in Albuquerque, KASY(My) aired the cowboy games, and KWBQ(CW) aired the Bronco games. I was surprised to see it myself! In years past, KTXA-21 has aired the Cowboys cable games in the Dallas-Fort Worth market. I suspect that's the case this year too. I'm not sure who carried the Jets and Giants over-the-air in New York. Jets were on CBS 2. Giants on NBC 4.

Connecticut: UCONN Huskies Football games from ESPN+ are/were on CW-20. But Thursdays UCONN Huskies Football game from ESPN+ wasn't on CW-20. It was on cable on the YES Network. Eagles: preseason, they had 5 games. One was the NBC SNF debut. The other 4 aired on 6ABC, WPVI. Three of those games were Eagles Television Network productions, with Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia getting rights to the rebroadcasts. The fourth was an ESPN production that 6 simulcasted. Makes perfect sense; they're corporate cousins. Eagles have two cable games on Monday night in the regular season, and I imagine 6 will be the OTA broadcaster for those games as well. I probably should have more clear. When it came to ESPN, I was specifically referring to ESPN Monday Night Football. Not their college coverage. The reason why I make I make this reference is while I'm sure there are adequate outlets to handle ESPN college game rebroadcasts who have done so for years and then there are some don't even bother with them just like there are outlets who've typically handled ESPN's Sunday Night games when they had those rights (And some outlets never bothered with them either), this is the first year that Monday Night Football has ever undergone this type of treatment. And since NFL teams are generally covered differently than their college counterparts, I was curiously wondering how local broadcast outlets for most other teams IN THE NFL will handle OTA coverage when their games are on ESPN & NFL Network this season (Or if they will even bother with it). Hope this helps clarify things Cheesy Cheers Cheesy The Houston/Denver game was on KTRK (ABC) in Houston, who carries all the Texans' preseason games and coaches' shows. Correction: Much as ABC and ESPN would like to convince you otherwise, the true legacy ESPN's MNF is inheriting is Sunday Night Football, and the true MNF legacy is over on NBC. I would imagine the television contracts would, for the most part, continue from the old SNF contracts, with some legal and schedule vagaries. If MarcB really thought your request extended to college games, the problem isn't that your request was unclear, the problem is, he's an idiot (at least a partial one). He was the only one to even bring up the college game. Sheesh. For several years the OTA rights for the Falcons are WGCL 46 our CBS affiliate. However the local NBC station, WXIA has the rights to the Preseason games not nationally televised. ...the Green Bay Packers are on WBAY/2 Green Bay and WISN-TV/12 Milwaukee for the two ESPN games this year (at Philadelphia on 2 October and at Seattle on 27 November), and on WFRV/5 Green Bay, WJMN/3 Escanaba and WITI/6 Milwaukee for the NFL Network game hosting the Vikings on 21 December... ...interesting situation about that last game in La Crosse, where the Mississippi River divides the market fairly evenly into Packer and Viking territories. WXOW/19, the La Crosse ABC station, tells me that the OTA rights for the cable games are being kept by the League to the Green Bay and Milwaukee TV markets for the Packers and Minneapolis-St. Paul for the Vikings. Since Charter Communications here doesn't have the NFL Network at this point, and cable is necessary to even get the CBS and NBC stations here in some neighborhoods, it's possible that the game won't be

seen at all in this market... The Cleveland Browns' only non-Sunday day appearance in the regular season is a Thursday night NFL Network tilt with the rival Pittsburgh Steelers, which will air locally on FOX O&O WJW/8. The pre-season home for the Browns is WKYC/3 (NBC), which just picked up those rights after WOIO/19 (CBS) messed up, big time... Markets at least 5 TV stations with their own news production. (English only) 1. New York (2,4,5,7,11) 9 doesn't count 2. Los Angeles (2,4,5,7,11) 9 & 13 doesn't count 3. Chicago (2,5,7,9,32) 5. Boston (4,5,7,25,56) 6. San Francisco (2,4,5,7,11) 7. Dallas (4,5,8,11,33) 10. Houston (2,11,13,26,39) 14. Phoenix (3,5,10,12,15) 18. Denver (2,4,7,9,31) 26. San Deigo (6,8,10,39,51) With all the consolidation in the TV industry, you never know the production of newscast will shrink, like New York or Los Angeles) Is there a question here? As for New York, if you include the three far suburban stations, WLNY, WMBC and WRNN, that is two more, and if you include NJN, which has a newscast that also airs on WNET, that is another station. Others: (Big 4 + others...) - these are stations with different owners... Philadelphia - 3, 6, 10, 29 + 69 (Allentown) + 12 (Wilmington, DE) + 40 (Wildwood/Atlantic City) Washington, DC - 4, 5, 7, 9 + 25 (Hagerstown) Tampa - 8, 10, 13, 28 + 40 (Sarasota) + 9 (Cable) Salt Lake City - 2, 4, 5, 13 + 4 (Cedar City) - market has two channel 4's in it - Dish uses 37 for KCSG Birmingham - 6, 13, 33/40, 42 + 7 (Tuscaloosa) Oklahoma City - 4, 5, 9, 25 + 13 (PBS station hosting statewide newscast) El Paso/Las Cruces - 4, 7, 9, 14 + 22 (PBS station with Las Cruces local newscast Counting a cable channel: Albany - 6, 10, 13, 23 + Capital News 9 Austin - 7, 24, 36, 42 + News 8 Austin Seattle - 4, 5, 7, 13 + Northwest Cable News Counting markets with 2 or more stations with the same owner, but totally separate newscasts: Albuquerque: 2, 4, 7, 13 + 10 (Roswell) + 8 (Roswell) + 12 (Farmington) Fargo, ND: 4, 6, 11, 15 + 8 (Devil's Lake) Finally - the most interesting... Bismarck, ND: KXMA/KXMB share a newscast, KXMC/KXMD share a newscast, KFYR has a full slate of local newscasts, KMOT has a full local newscast at 6 & 10pm, KQCD shares the A-Block of the 6pm & 10pm newscasts with KFYR, then finishes locally, KUMV does the same with KMOT.

I'm sure I've missed something... Jim We kinda get it on a technicality. Cleveland: 3, 5, 8, 19, the "Big Four" Then... WMFD/68 Mansfield produces nightly local news. It isn't a whole market production, but 68 is actually distributed throughout the Cleveland market via DirecTV's LILs. WKYC/3 also produces a separate newscast for Akron/Canton, which used to air on WVPX/23 (PAX/i) and now airs on Time Warner Cable. At least the pre-merger part. If you count 68 as #5, that doesn't even count the WKYC/TWC newscast. Good catch on Cleveland. Also, the Phoenix market does have another English Station with its own newscast - KNAZ/2 in Flagstaff. It's owned by Gannett (for now), but has a totally separate newsroom. Also, you can add WMUR/9 in Manchester, New Hampshire to the Boston list. Owned by Hearst (who also own WCVB), but a totally separate news operation, including their own version of WCVB's flagship community affairs/features program "Chronicle". Jim Several of the Wichita stations do this since about 2/3 of the state of Kansas is in the Wichita market. So, most have a news bureau somewhere in western Kansas, like Garden City. However, the top stories are generally the same on all of the satellites with the local stories spliced in after the first break. The anchoring is generally done out of Wichita, almost certainly prerecorded for some of the western Kansas stations, with different stories and western Kansas reporters on those stories. The weather is also separated out much the same but prerecorded with the same Wichita meteorlogist. I suppose it technically qualifies as unique news production, but it seems like a stretch. Is this similar to how KNAZ does news for Flagstaff? KNAZ actually has their own studios, anchors, reporters, different logo style, even different theme music from KPNX. KNAZ does run some of KPNX's newscasts (Midday, 5pm, 5-6am), but KNAZ has totally separate newscasts at 6am, 6pm and 10pm. Jim Good catch on Cleveland. By the way, WFMD/68 in Mansfield posts online video of its entire "Newswatch" newscast, should anyone be interested in taking a look at it. http://www.wmfd.com/ It's a pretty decent little small market newscast. The anchors are kind of bland, but it's serviceable. I believe the IBS folks do their website, which is rather extensive. KNAZ actually has their own studios, anchors, reporters, different logo style, even different theme music from KPNX. KNAZ does run some of KPNX's newscasts (Midday, 5pm, 5-6am), but KNAZ

has totally separate newscasts at 6am, 6pm and 10pm. Jim Flagstaff, home of KNAZ, is in the Phoenix market, so technically, you're correct on this. Flagstaff, however, is about 130 miles from Phoenix by air, so KNAZ's signal doesn't even come close to Phoenix. Counting a cable channel: Seattle - 4, 5, 7, 13 + Northwest Cable News Er, no. NWCN is owned by Belo, same as KING, and KING contributes quite a bit to the channel. I think there's something similar with the other cable channels you mentioned. You also didn't mention the other markets NWCN serves, though I don't know if any of their Fox affiliates do news. Probably only Portland, if even that. None of them would count anyway; Belo also owns KGW/Portland, KREM/Spokane, and channel 7 in Boise, all of which contribute to NWCN. You also didn't mention the other markets NWCN serves, though I don't know if any of their Fox affiliates do news. Probably only Portland, if even that. None of them would count anyway; Belo also owns KGW/Portland, KREM/Spokane, and channel 7 in Boise, all of which contribute to NWCN. Both Fox affiliates in Spokane (KAYU/28) and Boise (KTRV/12) have newscasts. KAYU's 10pm news is produced by KHQ/6 (NBC); KTRV seems to have its own news department, and has a 9pm newscast. And oh yeah, the Fox affil in Portland (KPTV/12) definitely does news. They have newscasts in the morning, at 10pm, and weeknights at 11pm. KPTV's 10pm news is actually one of the highest rated primetime local newscasts in the country; I remember reading somewhere that they overtook KTVU a few years back. Speaking of Portland, it was briefly a 5-news-station market. In addition to KATU/2 (ABC), KOIN/6 (CBS), KGW/8 (NBC) and KPTV/12 (Fox), KPDX/49 (UPN, to be MyTV) once aired a 10pm newscast as well. At first it was produced by KOIN/6, but KPDX later launched its own news op. However, a few years later, Meredith (KPDX's owners) acquired KPTV as part of a swap, merged the two stations' operations, and pulled the plug on KPDX's newscast. Atlanta has 2, 5, 11 & 46 with 36 beginniing a 10PM newscast this fall produced by 11 (its new owners - duopoly). As indicated by the OP, Denver has KWGN 2 (WB - Soon to be CW) with their 5:00 AM & 9:00 PM newscasts, KCNC 4 (CBS) with its 5:00 AM, NOON, 5:00, 6:00 & 10:00 PM newscasts, KMGH 7 (ABC) with its 5:00 & 11:00 AM, 4:00, 5:00, & 10:00 PM newscasts, KUSA 9 (NBC) with its 5:00 AM, NOON, 4:00, 5:00 & 10:00 PM newscasts, & KDVR 31 (FOX) with its 5:00 AM & 9:00 PM newscasts, each with news their own news operations. However beginning this fall (To the surprise of no one), Gannett-owned KTVD 20 (UPN, Soon to be MyNetwork TV) will have a 30 minute 9:00 PM newscast produced by KUSA 9 (NBC). Not sure when it begins or what they'll name the newscast though. Cheers Cheesy While NWCN is owned by Belo, they have a totally separate staff and production area from KING 5. A good friend of mine works for KING and he says that they are really separate. Yes, they definitely cross-utilize a number of stories, but their newscasts are anchored by totally different

people. So, the OP said "5 stations with their own news production". Seattle makes it based on the fact that NWCN has a separate staff producing the news in a different part of the KING building. The OP also didn't count WWOR as separate, even though that news shares just about NOTHING with WNYW's news. Groups that only own one TV station Since this is a TV board, I would like add the following groups that only own one TV station: KFMB (CBS), San Diego, owned by Midwest Television, which sold their Peoria & Champaign stations to Nexstar Broadcasting in 1999. KSL (NBC), Salt Lake City, owned by Bonneville International & their only TV station owned by the Mormon Church. Also owns a bunch of radio stations. They had also owned channel 7 in Seattle for many years until A.H. Belo Corp. bought it in 1994. Therefore, a couple of years later, Belo bought the Providence Journal Company, which owned KING-TV. So channel 7, once owned by the mormons, sold the station to Cox Broadcasting of Atlanta. But channel 7 was out of the CBS affiliation for a couple of years & it seemed like they wanted their heritage affiliation back . Therefore, by July 1997, channel 7 was once again a CBS affiliate, & this time, Bonneville wasn't owning the CBS station. But don't expect the Mormon Church will buy another TV station like Seattle anytime soon. WINK (CBS), Ft. Myers, owned by the McBride Family, which had owned it outright since 1954. WSIL (ABC), Harrisburg/Cape Girardeau/Paducah, owned by Mel Wheeler, Inc., which sold KRCGTV (CBS), Jefferson City to Barrington Broadcasting a couple of years back. WYTV (ABC), Youngstown, still owned by Chelsey Broadcasting, couple of years after buying out most of their stations. KJZZ (My Network), Salt Lake City, Larry Miller Communications, only station owned by the owner of the Utah Jazz. Added CBS 2 News every night at 9:00. WCAX (CBS), Burlington, Mt. Mansfield Television, Stu Martin, the late owner founded the station & now his son owns it, continuing in his father's footsteps. KTUD (was UPN, soon to be independent), Las Vegas, Greenspun Broadcasting, only station owned by the Las Vegas Sun. Also has a 10 pm newscast partnered with KLAS-TV. KMVT (CBS), Twin Falls, now locally owned by the Neuhoff Family. It had been owned by Catamount Broadcasting, which had also owned stations in Chico/Redding & Valley City/Fargo, which is also selling KXJB-TV after Wicks Television is buying out all of their TV stations in North Dakota & South Dakota to Hoak Media. I know it was LMA'ed with KVLY-TV in Fargo, & I know it will be continued with their new ownerships. I'm not really sure if the Chico/Redding stations will continue it's ownership with Catamount or not all because the Twin Falls & Fargo stations were sold, so don't expect much from them. Others: KCAL (Ind.) Los Angeles, the only station owned by Disney Company before the company bought the ABC Network bought it in 1995. Therefore, after the ABC merger was completed, the station was spun off to Young Broadcasting for 6 years before Viacom bought it in 2002.

WWOR (Ind.), New York, the only station owned by MCA/Universal from 1987-91. Therefore, the station was sold to TV giant Chris Craft/United after Matushita bought it at that time. Now owned by Fox Television stations as a co-owner to WNYW-TV. That's about it. Unless you know a another station group who only owns just one station, please let me know. Thanks. I'd like to expand on this question. The groups you listed, do they own any other media outlets like newspapers or radio? That might be why they see no need to expand to greater number of TV outlets I think Larry Miller owns a radio station (presumably the Jazz' flagship station) as well. You forgot KCRG (ABC/9) Cedar Rapids, IA. I don't think that it has ever changed ownership since it was started. They sold off their AM sister a couple of months ago. KJZZ (My Network), Salt Lake City, Larry Miller Communications, only station owned by the owner of the Utah Jazz. Added CBS 2 News every night at 9:00. Since you include LPTVs in your list, Larry Miller owns 11 stations: KJZZ and 10 LPTV translators. Hi everyone: Doesn't McGraw Hill own only KMGH 7 here in Denver? Also...Don't forget that Pacific Telestations owns full power KUAM 8 (NBC) and KUAM-LP 11 on Guam. In fact, I believe BOTH KUAM & full power ABC affiliate KTGM 14 are owned by companies that don't own any other broadcast (or at least not TV) properties. Cheers Cheesy I think KTVN Ch. 2 Reno, NV is the only TV station still owned by Sarkes Tarzian. Unless things have changed recently, they had either WRCB or WTVC in Chattanooga. I seem to remember Sarkes-Tarzian having four TV's. In addition to KTVN, they own WRCB in Chattanooga. These are the only two TV stations they own. They do, however, own four radio stations--all in Indiana. Two apiece in Ft. Wayne and Bloomington. The company is headquartered in Bloomington. Yep, know it well. I grew up in Bloomington. In fact my mother worked for Tarzian in the late '40s while a student at IU. Tarzian also owned the long-defunct Bloomington Courier-Tribune newspaper in the early '70s. I was really surprised when they sold WTTV in the mid '80s since that was their "flagship" station, but it was a shadow of its former self by that time. I'd forgotten about them owning WRCB. LIVE Clips of 9/11 Attacks & Suspended Programming I've seen a few videos of LIVE footage of the 2nd plane crashing and both towers collapsing. Does anyone have video of any station's LIVE coverage of the attacks as they happened? Also, would anyone have a list of which cable channels did what on that day or which sites explain what they did, whether they carried a sister network's coverage, ran a ticker across their screen, or put up slide saying they suspended programming? I vaguely remember what every channel did. If you

have any video or screen captures of these channels, it would also be greatly appreciated. WB-11 in NYC had an image of the burning tower's frozen on their screen for several hours that day. Their tower was up there. Here's the pic of what was frozen on their screen from Wikipedia. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/Wpix-911.jpg/200px-Wpix-911.jpg a couple that I remember... * MTV & VH1 showed CBS's feed * HSN, QVC, Animal Planet, and HGTV showed slides saying they suspended programing. There were others that did the same thing, these are the only ones I can remember. Anyone know a website where we can see the video of where as an example program on MTV went to CBS News? Would just want to see the flip over how it happend. Here are some I remember TNT, TBS, (not sure if Turner Classic) but they all showed CNN Disney, Nick stayed with kids programs for reasons so kids wouldn't see this USA Network, Sci Fi stayed with regular programing as they didn't have a news partner or today they would show MSNBC I am sure. All of the Turner networks except for Cartoon Network went to CNN. All of the Fox Sports Nets went to Fox News. ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews and ESPNClassic all went to ABC. ESPN had a SportsCenter special that ran over and over starting at about 5PM, but I'm pretty sure they went back to ABC around 9 or 10 PM. If I remember correctly, at some point, MTV broke away from the news coverage to play videos.. It was mostly softer music, and a scroll at the bottom explaning the music and starting when normal programing would resume. Anyone know a website where we can see the video of where as an example program on MTV went to CBS News? Would just want to see the flip over how it happend. Here are some I remember TNT, TBS, (not sure if Turner Classic) but they all showed CNN Disney, Nick stayed with kids programs for reasons so kids wouldn't see this USA Network, Sci Fi stayed with regular programing as they didn't have a news partner or today they would show MSNBC I am sure. IIRC Nick flipped to the CBS simulcast at the time when Nick at Nite would have started (9 eastern/8 central?) All the premium movie channels stayed with regular programming, but IIRC HBO occasionally ran crawls reminding viewers to tune to CNN for the latest news. WSAH Channel 43 in Bridgeport, Connecticut which at the time was a Shop-At-Home Network affiliate owned by Summit America Television didn't even use whatever news network that was running on Shop-At-Home. They were just showing slides of some sort and played music. (Note: Since at the time I lived in an area where WSAH wasn't on cable, I'm using second hand information). Remembers:

WFSB CBS - CBS News WVIT NBC - NBC News WTIC-TV FOX - FOX News Channel WTNH ABC - ABC News WTXX WB - Simul of WTIC-TV (Until "The WB News Network" came on at 3PM, which I think was from WPIX NYC) WCTX UPN - Simul of WTNH WHPX PAX - Infomercials til Noon. Simul of WVIT afterwards WRDM-LP Telemundo/J-TV - Telemundo News only. J-TV temporarily dropped. WUVN - UNI - Univision TBS - CNN Shop-At-Home : CNN Headline News HGTV - Programming Suspended MTV - CBS News for a while Nick - Regular Programming Fox Sports New England - Fox News Channel MSG - Programming Suspended? ESPN - ABC News ESPN 2 - ABC News BET - CBS News? FX - Fox News Channel TNT - CNN Lifetime - Regular Programming - Occasioanl Scrool Telling People to tune to their local ABC Station. Fox Family - Regular Programming Ran Occasional Scroll Telling People to tune to the Fox News Channel. CNBC - NBC (Duh) CNN - CNN (Duh) CNN Headline News - CNN (Duh) A&E - Programming Supended? USA - Regular Programming? QVC - Programming Suspended MSNBC - MSNBC (Duh) TLC - BBC America Court TV - ? TNN - CBS News EWTN - Regular Programing Cartoon Network - Regular Programming Sci-Fi - Regular Programmign VH-1 - WCBS/2 NYC Food Network - Programming Suspened CSPAN - WUSA/9 Washington DC New England Cable News - ABC News Disney Channel - Regular Programming History Channel - Programming Suspended? The Weather Channel - Regular Programming HSN - News World International ShopNBC - MSNBC Nick - Regular Programming Almost -- during this time, Nick had a live, late-afternoon show called "Slime Time Live", but that was suspended for the rest of the week -- full episodes of Catdog and Hey Arnold were seen instead (usually, they were half-episodes during Slime Time).

Another casualty of 9/11 was "Invader Zim", which was taken off the schedule for several weeks. Quote CSPAN - WUSA/9 Washington DC Was this only for the main C-Span channel, or for all three? Quote HSN - News World International Imagine this: What if Current replaced NWI before 9/11, instead of 2005? As the other poster said The Weather Channel just went with showing weather. I think I remember them telling people about we know what is going on in New York and Washington D.C. right now. So please turn to your local news channel. Something like that. Another thing was this the first time networks suspended programming for a major news story like this one? As the other poster said The Weather Channel just went with showing weather. I think I remember them telling people about we know what is going on in New York and Washington D.C. right now. So please turn to your local news channel. Something like that. Another thing was this the first time networks suspended programming for a major news story like this one? The first time in the cable era, yes. The only thing you can compare it to would be the first space shuttle explosion, and IIRC most cable channels stayed with regular programming at that time. The only other event of that magnitude would be the Kennedy assassination, which of course happened in the three-network era. I've seen a few videos of LIVE footage of the 2nd plane crashing and both towers collapsing. Does anyone have video of any station's LIVE coverage of the attacks as they happened? Also, would anyone have a list of which cable channels did what on that day or which sites explain what they did, whether they carried a sister network's coverage, ran a ticker across their screen, or put up slide saying they suspended programming? I vaguely remember what every channel did. If you have any video or screen captures of these channels, it would also be greatly appreciated. I have edited coverage of the days news that my ex-roommate and I put to VHS off of TiVo. I was watching KHOU-11 the morning of the attacks (KHOU carries only certain segments of the Early Show during 7:00 hour; at the time Early aired a Dr. Senay health update at about 7:50), waiting for the 7:55 weather update, when Bryant Gumble broke in to announce the first tower had been hit. I flipped to ABC, which was in a commercial, and NBC which was also in commercial (I think) then to the Fox station, which was carrying live feed from Fox News Channel. I had just hit the channel number to flip back to ABC when the second plane came into view of WNYW's choppercam and struck the second tower. I hit the return-to-previous button and thankfully the TiVo saved the gutter of the last 5 or 10 minutes of me watching. Between flipping from the 4 locals and CNN, MSNBC and Fox, the Tivo recorded about 15 hours of coverage (on a 20-hour Tivo) and we later put it to VHS. I've watched it only once since we put it to VHS. I just couldn't handle it that well. To Mark's long list let me add another entry: TVG, a channel devoted to horse racing. TVG, then barely two years old and getting most of its audience from dish Network, was to have

carried coverage of the Keeneland September Sale from Kentucky. For much of the morning Todd Schrupp and Caton Bredar covered the story as it affected the horse racing industry in particular, with on-site reaction and reports from Jeff Lifson at Keeneland. As the day wore on they carried a simulcast of FNC with a crawl and regular cut-ins to the TVG studio. That was all they did for the first two or three days, as things slowly ramped up at their partner tracks and at the Sale. Horse Racing resumed on 9/13/01 except in New York were it was suspended until 9/18/01. The people that had TVG at the time was glad to see some other than the around the clock coverage of the attacks. I remember the local (Mobile, AL) OTA shopping channels switching to news coverage but the 3 local christian TV stations stayed with regular programing. Same with radio, all the christian radio stations stayed with preaching and gospel music, never mentioning the attack. I can't help but wonder what they would have been broadcasting if the EBS was activated? As others have already posted, most cable channels found a news source to simulcast on 9/11 but my favorite was VH1 carrying WCBS. I'm pretty sure HBO and Cinemax simulcast CNN for a little while that morning. I thought it was wierd that movie stations like HBO,TMC,etc..... Didnt sawy from thier schedule to cover this event!!! I think 98% of everyone was watching the news) I'm pretty sure HBO and Cinemax simulcast CNN for a little while that morning. Nope, they did not. I thought it was wierd that movie stations like HBO,TMC,etc..... Didnt sawy from thier schedule to cover this event!!! I think 98% of everyone was watching the news) Why would they? They are premium networks. IIRC, I believe some of the movies with terrorist attack themes wound up being taken off the schedule for awhile. I know networks like TBS, TNT and USA did that. IIRC, I believe some of the movies with terrorist attack themes wound up being taken off the schedule for awhile. I know networks like TBS, TNT and USA did that. I also remember Fox shelving a scheduled airing of "Independence Day" (a movie which depicts catastrophic attacks on many US cities, albeit by aliens) on the night they returned to regular programming in favor of the comedy "Mrs. Doubtfire". I remember Oxygen carried New York 1, Time Warner's 24-hour cable news channel in NYC, for an extended period of time. It was supposed to be opposite the Emmy Awards on that night but was postponed twice before airing. Early morning network newscasts 4:30AM is about an hour too early for me, so I was just wondering if anyone here ever watches the early morning programs like CBS Morning News or Early Today. The latter, when it was NBC News at Sunrise, I would watch sometimes. I lived in a market where the NBC affiliate didn't have local news in the morning hours. IIRC, Linda Vester was host at the time.

I love watching "Early Today"----at least, when I'm awake at the earlier hour! Christine Johnson is beautiful, smart, and not afraid to laugh at herself whenever she screws up a story! EARLY TODAY is a perfect beginning (and definitely an excellent news prelude) to Maine's local 5-7AM weekly news block (which airs on WCSH-6 and WLBZ-2)! argytunes When the early morning network newscasts premiered in the early '80s (I think most of them came on around 1982 or so), local newscasts (aside from the local cut-ins during the network breakfast shows) in the morning were the exception, not the rule, and the early local newscasts that did exist were usually only 30 minutes. Most affiliates aired the early network news at 6:00 or 6:30 local time, just ahead of the network breakfast shows. With the proliferation of early local news in the early '90s, the early network news kept getting pushed back further and further (and in some cases, pre-empted), as stations kept expanding the length of the local news. The nets had to start offering earlier feeds of the early network news to keep it from being pre-empted altogether. Frankly, I'm a little amazed that the nets still bother with the early network news, considering that those newscasts have basically been pushed back into the middle of the night by a majority of stations. But I guess they must be making a little money. Frankly, I'm a little amazed that > the nets still bother with the early network news, > considering that those newscasts have basically been pushed > back into the middle of the night by a majority of stations. > But I guess they must be making a little money. > Remember, there's also a host of local affiliates that still do not program early morning news (or only program the :25/:55 cut-ins) or do not have news departments at all. They still air the network morning shows, usually in their entirity. Some stations that I can think of off the top of my head: WKDH-45-ABC (Tupelo/Columbus, MS) WEVV-44-CBS (Evansville, IN) KDNL-30-ABC (St. Louis, MO) WXLV-45-ABC (Greensboro/Winston-Salem, NC) WMDN-24-CBS (Meridian, MS) Obviously, these stations need something to fill the two hours prior to the breakfast shows (aside from infomercials). One thing that should be noted: I think ABC produces two half-hour newscasts that are then repeated over the course of the two hour block. CBS and NBC, I believe, only produce one that is then repeated. Obviously, this saves on costs. I do remember that ABC used to produce one (later two) hour-long "WNTM" newscasts for affiliates to pick-up while NBC and CBS were producing only one or possibly two half-hour newscasts for theirs. It's true that a handful of stations still use the early network news in the timeslot just before or near the start of the 7AM network shows. Most are small-market stations (sans KDNL), and some don't have local news departments at all. WHBF (CBS) in Rock Island, Ill. also airs the "CBS Morning News" from 6 to 7AM. Incidentally, WHBF didn't clear the "CBS Morning News" (or "CBS Early Morning News," as it was known back then) at all for most of the 1980s. They aired Jim Bakker from 6 to 7, and later Richard Roberts.

KRCG in Jefferson City, Mo. also passed on the "CBS Early Morning News" in the 1980s...I believe they signed on at 5:30 with "AG Day" or something similar, and then took the live East Coast feed of the two-hour CBS morning show at 6AM. Actually, a lot of CBS affiliates in the Central Time Zone aired the live East Coast feed of the CBS morning show at 6AM, rather than the time-shifted feed at 7AM. KMOV in St. Louis even started taking the early live feed shortly after CBS sold off the station to pre-CBS Viacom in 1986. In the early '90s, CBS gradually got Central stations to take the delayed feed at 7AM, as many affiliates were rapidly adding early local newscasts in the 6AM hour anyway. However, KGAN in Cedar Rapids, Iowa still airs "The Early Show" at 6AM...they don't do a local early newscast. Remember when many local stations pushed the start time for their AM news back to 5 a.m.? Well, now some stations are starting to offer local news as early as 4:30 a.m., including KPHO in Phoenix. Crazy, huh? On the list of stations that don't run local news in the morning, add Tribune's WGNO, the ABC affiliate in New Orleans. They do, however, have a reporter read a few news updates during the weekday :25/:55 breaks on GMA. > It's true that a handful of stations still use the early > network news in the timeslot just before or near the start > of the 7AM network shows. Most are small-market stations > (sans KDNL), and some don't have local news departments at > all. WHBF (CBS) in Rock Island, Ill. also airs the "CBS > Morning News" from 6 to 7AM. Incidentally, WHBF didn't > clear the "CBS Morning News" (or "CBS Early Morning News," > as it was known back then) at all for most of the 1980s. > They aired Jim Bakker from 6 to 7, and later Richard > Roberts. > > KRCG in Jefferson City, Mo. also passed on the "CBS Early > Morning News" in the 1980s...I believe they signed on at > 5:30 with "AG Day" or something similar, and then took the > live East Coast feed of the two-hour CBS morning show at > 6AM. Actually, a lot of CBS affiliates in the Central Time > Zone aired the live East Coast feed of the CBS morning show > at 6AM, rather than the time-shifted feed at 7AM. KMOV in > St. Louis even started taking the early live feed shortly > after CBS sold off the station to pre-CBS Viacom in 1986. > In the early '90s, CBS gradually got Central stations to > take the delayed feed at 7AM, as many affiliates were > rapidly adding early local newscasts in the 6AM hour anyway. > However, KGAN in Cedar Rapids, Iowa still airs "The Early > Show" at 6AM...they don't do a local early newscast. > I believe WWL New Orleans still carries The Early Show at 6 AM. I remember back in the '80s that WBMG (now WIAT) Birmingham carried CBS's morning show at 6, and every NBC affiliate in Alabama except WALA Mobile (before it went to Fox) had the Today show at 6 AM. WWL-TV hasn't carried CBS' morning show for years. "The Early Show" is currently seen on WUPL, the CBS-owned UPN affiliate in New Orleans. I stand corrected, since I haven't looked at any New Orleans

schedules lately. I do seem to recall WWL running "Regis & Kelly" at 8 AM. Sign-Offs Not sure if this is the right area, but do networks in your area still do sign-offs? I know that the NBC and ABC affiliate in my area still do sign-offs on the weekend. NYC's WNET (PBS) signs off at about 3AM for two hours, I think they just show 2 hours of bars and tone. > WBNG-TV, Channel 12, in Binghamton, NY goes off the air around 3-4 or so every Saturday and Sunday morning and comes back on at 5, 5:30-ish. They sign off with the national anthem playing over footage of things like the Statue of Liberty and Mount Rushmore. WTKR-TV Norfolk NewsChannel 3 (CBS) still signs-off for a few hours on saturday and sunday mornings. You can find alot TV sign-off/sign-on video clips at jawtoons.com We sign-off Saturday and Sunday night at 2am. The sign-off announcement is a standard VO announcement over shots of the city followed by what looks like a flim transfer of the National Anthem that is copyright 1968 (no joke) followed by 6 minutes of bars & tone + ID. Of course, we don't actually go off-air anymore, we just go to our doppler radar + legal with a loop of generic production music (otherwise the remote control wakes our engineer up every 10 minutes saying there's no audio). (The bars & tone are left over from when we did drop the transmitters overnight) Sign-on is 6 mins of bars & tone, a similar VO announcement as the sign-off and then a video of "Battle Hymn of the Republic" of similar vintage. The CBS station across town also signs-off but on Friday and Saturday night (I'm assuming the 2 nights CBS doesn't have "Up to the Minute" overnight). Their signoff is just a VO announcement over their legal ID. Of course, like us, they also don't drop the transmitter, they go to one of the cameras in their tower cam network with a legal ID keyed over it. The ABC, Fox and UPN (cable-only) stations are run from the same Master Control center... None of them sign-off at night anymore. (Actually, the ABC and Fox never did and UPN now runs "filler" programming overnight.. They used to go to bars & tone from midnight). In Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC (Upstate) and Asheville, NC (Mountains), TV Market # 35, WHNS-21 (Fox Carolina) signs off on Sunday night/Monday morning every week from 3 to 5 a.m. A huge Fox Carolina logo with "Analog 21, Digital 57, legal ID" at the bottom pops up with the announcer: "This is WHNS, serving Greenville-Spartanburg, SC, Asheville, NC, and Anderson, SC, on Analog Channel 21 and Digital Channel 57; and portions of western NC on translators 14, 25, 64, 66, and 69. WHNS is owned and operated by Meredith Broadcasting Corporation, and is an equal opportunity employer. Comments regarding our progamming may be sent to general manager: WHNS 21 Interstate Court Greenville, SC, 29615." After the logo you will see the translators, then Meredith Corp.'s logo, and the address. The national anthem is played on violin and features shots of the D.C. skyline, Lincoln Memorial, different battle sites, a statue holding the American flag, grave sites, an aerial of the White House? with the sun setting and rising. At the end there is the Statue of Liberty with fireworks. The anthem is played in chord A. Brief cut to logo. Color bars & tone until sign-on (with small logo and legal ID at bottom). Sign-on same sequence as sign-off. The rest of our stations are 24/7. WLOS 13-ABC most recently went 24/7, beforehand having signed off Saturday mornings from 5 to 6 a.m. after movies, now showing paid programming. WSPA-7 CBS went 24/7 I believe around 1995, IIRC. WBSC-40 WB went 24/7 about a year or two

ago. WGGS-16 TBN/Ind. went 24/7 in 1999 or 2000. WASV 62-UPN went 24/7 in 1998. Our PBS affiliates went 24/7 about a couple years ago. I never recall WYFF-4 NBC signing off, but I would guess they went 24/7 around the mid-late 1980's. Seattle-area stations that still routinely sign off for bars and tone: KIRO (CBS) - 3:35-4:00 AM Saturday/Sunday KCTS (PBS) - 4:00-6:00 AM Monday (most weeks) KSTW (UPN) - 2:00-5:00 AM Monday (alternate weeks) KTBW (TBN) - 11:30 PM Sunday - 4 AM Monday (exc. Praiseathon weeks) KBTC (PBS) - 2:00-6:00 AM Sunday In Milwaukee, the pickings are pretty slim for sign-offs.. Only 2 sign off at all.. Ch. 24 WCGV (UPN) signs off Sunday nights at 1:30am, back on at 6am Monday morning ch. 30 WVCY (regligous indy) signs off nightly at midnight, returns at 9am weekedays and 8am weekends.. In Tulsa, only the PBS station KOED, part of the Oklahoma Educational Television Authority network, signs off everey night at midnight. They have a 4-5 minute tape that identifies all the stations in the network, the translators (in a graphics page) and the studio locations. They then end with a recitation of a poem about flight that was provided by the US Air Force, complete with film of a F-15 in flight. In Sacramento, only KTXL-40-Fox still closes down on Monday morning from about 3-5am. They go with bars (with ID super) and tone and never drop the transmitter. KMAX-31-UPN just went 24/7; they used to close and drop transmitter on Monday mornings from 1-4:30am. How Many East Coast Fox Affiliates Aired Their Scheduled Late Local News Last Night?? Last night (October 25th), Game 3 of the World Series ended around 2:15 A.M. EDT (actually on the morning of the 26th). I turned off my TV set and hit the sack immediately after the game ended, so I don't know if WFXT25 here in Boston broadcast their late evening newscast (normally broadcast at 10 P.M. ET) or not. I did see promos for the newscast and headline updates during the earlier part of the game, but I did not see any promos during the latter portions of the game telecast; nor did I see near the end of the game a crawl saying that WFXT's news would follow the game (they ran such a crawl at 10 P.M. ET and a couple of times not long after that). I wonder how many Fox stations in the Eastern (and Central) time zones decided not to do "late evening" newscasts last night (this morning) due to the lateness of the hour. I would think the Fox stations in Chicago (WFLD-32) and Houston (KRIV-26), the two cities whose local teams were playing, probably did late local newscasts to wrap-up the game. But I think many other Eastern and Central time zone Fox stations simply said "The Heck With It!" and sent their news and production staffs home without doing a late newscast. I would also think WFLD and KRIV would have done their late news due to the fact that both Chicago and Houston (the affiliates' respective cities) are in the Central Time Zone -- one advantage being that it's one hour earlier there and not making it seem as late as in the Eastern Time Zone. I'm not sure if WAWS 30 in Jacksonville did or not -- I was asleep in bed and didn't even bother to stay up to see the end of the World Series. This also has me thinking whether or not they aired the

Tuesday night UPN programming. WAWS airs UPN programming after the late local news (normally broadcast from 10-11 p.m.) -- and in pattern with the UPN network lineup, too. Yes, Fox25 ran a live half-hour cast right after the game. There were about 25 people in the newsroom by the time it got done around 3am. The morning news crew were arriving while the '10pm' cast was rolling and the night news crew was still there. Boston is #3 in WS ratings nationally, behind Chitown and Houston. Normally, Boston is somewhere at the bottom of the list but this year it's out of wack numbers. By the way, there were promo scrolls running for the early/late newscast during all the extra innings. You must've been really into the game, Joseph, or too busy typing your 6,986th post. I didnt watch the game last night. On the drive into work this morning, I heard on the radio that the game went into extra innings last night. The first thing I did NOT say to myself was "Gosh, I wonder if Fox25 ran their late local news? David and Maria must have been really tired!" So....since I mentioned it....how DID David and Maria look last night at 2 in the mornning?? Anyone? Anyone?? Maria is out this week. Molly Line was subbing for her last night. (Dave's better half Bianca was working Monday night but she won't anchor on game nights for obvious reasons). For 2:20 in the morning, they looked pretty damn good. There was a very interesting scenario here in Dallas last night/this morning. The MLB Playoffs have aired on ESPN Radio (KESN-FM) throughout the playoffs, but last night, they had to carry the Dallas Mavericks game. The World Sereis game was broadcast on WBAP 820. This is interesting for two reasons: 1) WBAP is in no way affiliated with KESN. The deal was that it was ESPN Sports who had the radio contract for the game. WBAP is the local carrier for ABC News. So, since ESPN Radio in Dallas was not able to carry it, it transfered to ABC in this market (Disney). Thus allowing WBAP, who has no affiliation with KESN, to broadcast the WS game. 2) WBAP-AM 820 is Dallas' biggest station, transmitter-wise. Known as "The Big BAP", it is one of 4 stations on 50,000 watts (one of 3 that are 50k 24/7). It can be heard from across the south (ATL) and up the Midwest (CIN), as I have heard on these boards. WBAP anchors The Midnight Trucking Radio Network, a nationally-syndicated show on many major stations from 12-5 (CT). It is run from the Big BAP studios in Dallas, and run by hosts who also host for BAP. So, the interesting thing came after midnight. For 1 1/2 hours, The Midnight Trucking Radio Network was being broadcast from the WBAP studios in Dallas, and it was not even on WBAP. Just syndicated. Not even on the air in the very studio is was in. Weird, huh? CTL Trouble with that is, how do you know when to start taping? You don't want to get 20 minutes into

taping the show and then suddenly there's a walk-off homer to end the game. (Though I suppose if you're using a modern fileserver system, you could be playing the show back even as you're taping it.) In any case, we don't have local news this week at WUHF in Rochester (it launches next week), so no issue there. Over in Syracuse, where CBS affiliate WTVH produces the 10 PM show for Sinclair's WSYT, there was some sort of newscast after the game. It was tough to tell, though - they stopped switching anything local on WSYT-DT (which puts a rocksolid signal in here, 80 miles away) after about 1 AM, so we saw Fox network slates during local breaks, and it just went to black on the DTV signal after the game. (I saw some network slates on WUHF-DT as well.) The analog signal was so weak that I could barely make out that there was a newscast, much less whether it was live or on tape. First of all, there should be a question mark at the end of this sentence. Smiley Second, Ohio Media Watch reports that Fox-Owned WJW in Cleveland decided to scrap their newscast, replacing it with a rerun of "Seinfeld". Meanwhile, Lin-owned WUPW (Fox Toledo) decided to press on with a shortened newscast. Of course, they don't have a morning show to worry about; their next newscast wasn't until 4pm this afternoon. Randy Simon noted that for this year's World Series so far: > Boston is #3 in WS ratings nationally, behind Chitown and > Houston. Normally, Boston is somewhere at the bottom of the list but > this year it's out of whack numbers. Not really. While Boston usually ranks near the bottom of the list for average ratings of major sports events, there are two exceptions: One is the World Series; the other is the Stanley Cup Finals. Boston always leads the list of neutral markets as regards local TV ratings for these two events. Randy Simon also noted: > By the way, there were promo scrolls running for the > early/late newscast during all the extra innings. You must've been > really into the game, Joseph... I was. I was paying so much attention to the center of the screen (and sometimes the "Fox Bar" on top of the screen) that I failed to pay attention to the crawls on the bottom of the screen in the late innings. I was also starting to get tired. If the game went much longer, I don't think I could have stayed awake. Thanks for answering my question. > In California both KTXL FOX40 (sacramento) and KTTV FOX11 > (la) did not run newscast after the really long game. > Even though they would only be over an hour late from their scheduled time (10PM). Apparently for them, they hate to compete with the other stations' 11PM newscasts. Keep in mind that at 11, KTTV is producing the half-hour cast for sister station KCOP, which I believe they do with the same crew that does the 10 on KTTV. So they may not have had much of a choice.

KFXA Cedar Rapids, IA did air news after that game. It was a pretaped 10-15 minute newscast. They aired such a newscast every night after baseball. As KGAN produces newscasts for KFXA and Des Moines Fox outlet KDSM, I assume Des Moines got the same thing. Similar situation with our local WKEF (NBC) and WRGT (Fox). When a NASCAR race went long last summer, they apparently recorded a newscast for the Fox affiliate and went live with the NBC affiliate, with the same crew. Can't vouch for what they did this time out, though I have seen them skip the news on the Fox affiliate. 4:30am morning news start I was looking around on the web and discovered that all 3 major network affiliates now start their morning news at 4:30am in Nashville. Is the the first market for more than one station to try a 4:30 am start time. Only one in Phoenix, KPHO CBS-5 starts their local morning show at 0430. At 0430 KTVK (Ind)has First Business, KSAZ (Fox-10)shows Judge Alex, KPNX (NBC-12) has Early Today and KNXV (ABC-15) has News Morning with local shows starting at 0500. Here in Boston, the only time early-morning TV newscasts begin any earlier than 5 A.M. is during the Winter if there's a big snowstorm. Then they might begin at 4:30 or even 4 A.M. WTKR/CBS in Norfolk, Va has a live newscast on there website wtkr.com @4:30am All three of the majors here in greater Hartford start their morning newscasts at 5 AM. They only change it if a big snowstorm or some other threatening weather is imminent by the next morning. Here in L.A. I watch Early Today on NBC with Kristine Johnson. Then I turn it off and go back to sleep. So far in Indianapolis, WTHR-13 is the only one to start local news at 4:30, pre-empting "Early Today." WRTV-6 and WISH-8 air the ABC and CBS morning newscasts, respectively, beginning local news at 5:00. My God, how much more local news can they put on the air in Nashville, especially on WTVF? If this 4:30 AM newscast runs until 7; plus newscasts at 11 AM, 4 PM, 5 PM, an hour at 6, and 10 PM, that's five and a half hours (5 hours, 35 minutes if someone wants to be precise). And I don't even know how much WKRN and WSMV are doing, although I suspect WSMV is doing about as much as WTVF. In central North Carolina, we generally don't get that early a start to our morning news unless there's bad weather, especially snow, although WFMY cuts the credits on the CBS Morning News and starts its Good Morning Show around 4:55 AM. Addendum: Checking www.titantv.com I see that WTVF's morning news is on until 8 AM, so that makes six and a half hours a day of local news. I count five and a half on WSMV, five on WKRN. I don't know of any market of comparable size with that much local news. Are the folks in Nashville news junkies?

Same holds true here in Denver as ALL FIVE Denver TV News operations (which *INCLUDES* KWGN 2 and KDVR 31) all start their morning newscasts at 5:00 AM as FOX O&O KDVR 31 moved COPS reruns back to 4:30 AM in lieu of a slightly retooled GOOD DAY COLORADO newscast with former KOA personality STEVE KELLEY taking up an anchor position there probably after realizing how badly they (KDVR) were GETTING CREAMED by the competition. The Big Three of those all run network news at 4:30 AM. I believe KCTV-5-CBS in Kansas City was one of the first to start the trend of a 4:30am morning newscast. Even smaller markets, such as WFIE-14-Evansville, IN, are starting their newscasts extra early. I remember it was not to far back that some of the O&Os had to request permission from the corporate bosses to start their newscasts at 5:00am and preempt the early morning network shows (I read somewhere that the ABC O&Os had to request this) I know here in ABQ I've seen the local stations expand their morning newscasts, first in was 6, then 5:30, now they all are at 5AM. What is the point of having it start at 4:30? How many people are actually awake at that time? I can understand weather related things such as blizzards and hurricanes, but having it on so early is just odd. I for one get up at about 4:30-4:45, so I can exercise for an hour, then go put in a 10-11 hour workday, so local news at 4:30 would work fine for me. CBS-5 is using it for marketing. They are the "only" local station with a morning news show at 4:30am. They also added an evening show at 6:30pm (again, the "only" 6:30 newscast in Phoenix) when everyone else has the slate of entertainment gossip magazines. I would like to add that "Early Today" is still seen in the Indy market, on WTHR's SkyTrak Weather Network, at 4:30 and 5:30. Mountain Time Zone Affiliates This is a question for anyone who lives in the Mountain Time Zone. I live in the Phoenix TV market, and many of the affiliates--KPHO (CBS), KPNX (NBC), and KNXV (ABC)--choose to start their prime time schedules a half minute (KNXV) to a minute (KPHO and KPNX) earlier than the scheduled time. In fact, on Sundays, KPNX starts the NBC schedule at 5:58 PM, rather than at 6 PM. The program director at KPHO explained to me via e-mail that this practice is known as the "Rocky Mountain Minute" and that the stations do this because of the added cost of personnel and equipment of running network programming in the time zone. This is due to the fact that, except for NBC, the networks do not have a separate feed for the Mountain time zone, requiring stations to record network programming for later playback. The earlier time allows for stations to plug in an extra minute of local ad time within the prime time schedule. My question is, has anyone living in other cities in the Mountain time zone noticed this practice in their local stations? Here in Phoenix, the Fox-owned stations KNAZ (Fox) and KUTP (UPN) start on time as due the Pax, Univision and Telemundo O&O's. Rich, I live in Denver and this has been done for sometime now. All of our stations, KCNC/CBS4, KUSA9/NBC, KMGH-7/ABC and KDVR/FOX31 all do this. Some of the shows here in Denver even start an extra 2 minutes.It is done for the reasons you stated below and was started to give the stations

extra local ad time and extra promo time for their local newscasts at 10pm (9pm for FOX31). It's also done to get and make sure they keep viewers from lead-in's of popular shows. Hopes that helps answer your question. I know it's odd but that's how they have decided to do it to get that extra time. KPNX Mesa-Phoenix (although you wouldn't know it from their legal ID) also does their own delay in the winter--starting prime time at 6:59:00pm --when they could easily just dial up the NBC Mountain zone feed. Perhaps the thinking is "we've got the digital delay gizmo...it's paid for...we have to use it in the summer...so why not get that extra :60 of local avails year-round?" (Did KPNX need the network's approval not to use the special feed designed for them?) Do stations in Hawaii, Alaska and Guam do this too? They all have to individually delay the West Coast feeds. IIRC, the Honolulu network affiliates (KHON, KITV, KGMB, and KHNL) handle the delay for their respective networks and the other network stations in Hawaii (KGMV, KAII, KMAU, and KOGG Wailuku, KHBC, KGMD, KHAW, and KHVO Hilo) are full-time satellites with no local origination of their own ... so they aren't "individually" delaying the feeds. Last time I browsed TV listings for Alaska stations (ANC/FAI) they ran prime 7-10pm AT, so all they need to do is take the (8-11pm PT) left coast feed off the bird. WJAR-10 Providence Simulcasts WNBC-4 New York's Hurricane Special; Are Other NBC O&O's/Affiliates Also Airing It? At this writing (7:10 P.M. EDT August 31st), NBC O&O WJAR-10 in Providence is simulcasting a combination news special/Red Cross fundraiser produced by NBC flagship O&O WNBC-4 in New York. It is being co-hosted by WNBC anchor Chuck Scarbrough, who I remember for his stint as an anchor for the old WNAC-7 here in Boston from 1972 until leaving in 1974 to join WNBC. The Boston NBC affiliate, WHDH-7, is not broadcasting this program. Are there any other NBC-owned or affiliated stations picking-up this program?? BTW, the full NBC network will air a special edition of "Dateline" updating the disaster this evening from 9 to 10 P.M. EDT/PDT. I suspect the program will be co-hosted by "Dateline" host Stone Phillips and "Nightly News" anchor Brian Williams, who is still (for the moment) in New Orleans. ABC will also have a hurricane special from 10 to 11 P.M. EDT/PDT; I would think Charles Gibson would host it. I am told by someone in Philadelphia that it is not being aired on WCAU. The intresting thing is they are using some regular NewsChannel 4 graphics on it. An interesting note on Chuch Scarborough of WNBC: He attended college at the University of Southern Mississippi, located in Hattiesburg, approximately 90 miles due north of Gulfport. He

began is distinguished broadcasting career at WLOX-TV 13, the ABC affiliate for Biloxi/Gulfport, Mississippi and later returned to Hattiesburg/Laurel as a reporter/anchor for NBC affiliate WDAMTV 7. Speaking of Mississippians: ESPN/ABC reporter/anchor Robin Roberts, who's filling in some on Good Morning America, is a native of Pass Christian, which is just west of Biloxi and was hit especially hard by Katrina. She came to ESPN from ABC affiliate WLOX-TV 13 in Biloxi/Gulfport. BTW: I had read somewhere that their production studios were demolished by the hurricane. Can anyone confirm? NFL preseason telecasts in your area With NFL preseason having finally arrived, I thought it would be neat to have a discussion of how these extravaganzas of bad football are covered throughout the country. I'm especially curious about "border" areas where fans' allegiances are split between two or more teams such as Columbus, Erie, Des Moines, Youngstown, etc. as well as areas with no NFL team such as LA and Las Vegas...whose, if any, preseason games get broadcast in these cities? Having lived in the Chicago area for much of my life, I became accustomed to having each Bears preseason game live on local TV, but I've heard that some teams tape-delay their games in hopes of having more fans come out to the game. I also have some experience in "border zones"...for the two years I recieved TV from Rockford, a market split between Bears and Packers fans, the Bears' preseason games were carried by local Fox affiliate WQRF, but the Packers' were not...even though WQRF would air the Sunday morning pregame show "Inside The Pack" during the regular season. Looking at the TV listings for Rockford I now notice that the Bears' preseason games have moved to CBS affiliate WIFR, but apparently there still is no station picking up the Packers' games there. Kind of surprising. In northwest Ohio where I've recently moved, we have both Browns and Lions fans, but only the Browns' preseason games seem to be aired by NBC affiliate WNWO in Toledo. Perhaps this is because Detroit stations which air the Lions are carried on cable here, while no Cleveland stations which carry the Browns are. So, what's the situation like in your area? In the Des Moines market, the Chiefs are on the local WB station. Patriot games are on WCVB 5 in Boston. > So, what's the situation like in your area? Houston Texans preseason flagship is KTRK/13, the ABC O&O here. The preseason games are also carried on (per the Texans website): KEYE-TV (Austin), KAMR-TV (Amarillo), KYTX-TV (Tyler), KTOV-TV (Corpus Christi), KPXL-TV (San Antonio), KBTX-TV (Bryan/College Station), KBMT-TV (Beaumont), KIDY-TV (San Angelo), KXVA-TV (Abilene) Not sure how many of these carry the games live vs. delay. Here in Denver.. KCNC/CBS4, the CBS O&O is the Denver Broncos flagship station. They will produce and broadcast live 3 of the Broncos preseason games (as one of the Broncos preseason games is a

NFL on CBS national broadcast). KCNC/CBS4's preseason games will also be replayed on FSN Rocky Mountain and will be broadcast on CBS affliates KREX in Grand Junction and KKTV in Colorado Springs. Also WMUR-9 Manchester,NH and WMTW-8 Poland Spring (Portland), ME. All are owned by Hearst-Argyle. I am not sure if H-A's two stations in the Burlington,VT DMA (WPTZ-Plattsburg, NY and WNNE Hartford, VT-Hanover, NH) carry the Patriots. The San Francisco 49ers and Oakland Raiders kick off their preseason against one another Saturday (8/13) at 7pm PT. The 49ers originate at KPIX-5 CBS San Francisco; and are carried on Viacom sister CBS station KOVR-13 Stockton/Sacramento. Raiders originate at KTVU-Fox 2 Oakland/SF, with coverage on Viacom sisters KCBS-2 Los Angeles and KMAX-31 Sacramento. The last two preseason games will be shown on KTVU's duopoly partner, KICU-36 San Jose/SF. Translation: the 49ers and Raiders will be seen on sister Viacom-owned TV stations in Sactown at the same time, with different game feeds. Here in Phoenix, where the natives cheer for the Cowboys, newcomers root for the Pats, Bears, Packers, or Vikings, and nobody cheers for the Cardinals, Bill Bidwill's bunch are on KNXV-TV ABC-15. Home games are tape-delayed (tonight at midnight) unless there is a sellout (yeah, right!) and the road games will be live. There will be a replay of tonight's gave vs Dallas tomorrow at noon on Fox Sports Net Arizona. No broadcast TV in Arizona outside of the Phoenix market, although a thread below indicates that the game will be carried live on KFBT/33 Las Vegas. Areas outside of metro Phoenix will get the games only if they're within range of a KNXV translator. (Edited by Keith Elster to add the FSNAZ replay & KFBT live coverage) In New York: The Giants are on WNBC. The Jets are on WCBS. There is a preseaon game on August 26th between the two which will be on WNBC. In Jacksonville, WTEV 47 (CBS) is the Jaguars television flagship. They are slated to air three of the four preseason games (the 8/25 game will be televised by ESPN). The Jaguars' preseason games are also seen on WRBW 65 (UPN) in Orlando and WYPN-CA 45 (UPN) in Gainesville. In the latter two markets, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' preseason games are also carried. Funny how you omitted the LIN stations carrying the game. Anyways, here is the complete list. WCVB 5 Boston, MA WMUR 9 Manchester, NH WMTW 8 Poland Spring, ME WNAC 64 Providence, RI WWLP 22 Springfield, MA

WPTZ, WNNE are not carrying the game. Cleveland Browns, from their website: "In addition to games being shown on WOIO-CBS 19 in Cleveland, Browns preseason games will also be aired throughout northeast Ohio on the following affiliates: WNWO-NBC Toledo WSYX-ABC Columbus WYTV-ABC Youngstown" As expected, Youngstown gets both the Browns and the Steelers, as WKBN/27 (CBS) will be on the Steelers' preseason network again this year, which originates at KDKA/2 (CBS) in Pittsburgh. And also as expected, Columbus gets both the Browns and Bengals, as Cincinnati's pre-season games are on WCMH/4 (NBC). Their originating station is WKRC/12 (CBS) in Cincinnati. Vegas: KTNV TV-13 (ABC) will carry all of the Oakland Raiders pre-season games. They also carry The Silver & Black show every Saturday night for the entire season. KVBC TV-3 (NBC) will carry all of the San Diego Charger's pre-season games. KFBT TV-33 (Ind.) will carry all of the Arizona Cardinals pre-season games. They're still carried by WCVB-TV? Are the games being produced in HD on WCVB-DT channel 20? For the last few years, the Patriots preseason games were tape delayed in Hartford/New Haven (CT) by WTXX-TV (WB) channel 20 of Waterbury/Hartford. I'm not sure who (if anybody) carried the Jets or Giants. It seems the Browns need to take a look at a map of the state. Columbus. Toledo. In Northeast Ohio?! Someone responsible for travel arrangements better make sure they're going the right direction when they need to be in Pittsburgh and/or Buffalo. Wink I certainly hope THAT isn't the sign of things to come for the team this season. LOL First of all, welcome to northwest Ohio; it gets a little cold & windy in the winter, other than that it's not too bad. The Lions preseason games used to air in Toledo; either WTVG/13 or WUPW/36 would air them. You're probably right about why they aren't airing anymore, as WKBD/50 has cable coverage all the way down to Findlay on the Time Warner system. WNWO is owned by Raycom, whose WOIO/19 in Cleveland has snatched up the rights to the preseason telecasts. Before this, WKYC/3 had the rights and the games did not air in Toledo. The Cowboys' preseason games (except the Monday night game on ABC) will be carried by KTVT

(CBS) in Dallas/Ft. Worth. I don't have an affiliate list, but the Cowboys' TV network reaches all of Texas (except those of us stuck in Houston), and parts of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and New Mexico (and maybe Shreveport, LA). Philadelphia Eagles' preseason broadcasts are produced by the team, and they have often switched their broadcast partner. They'll have 3 games this season, as the preseason opener against Pittsburgh is an ESPN game. This season, the station with the 3 Eagle-produced games is WPVI-6 (ABC). I also believe channel 6 will pick up the ESPN broadcast of the opener. Last season it was KYW-3 (CBS). Other seasons it's been WPHL-17 (WB) or WTXF-29 (Fox). Rebroadcasts often will turn up on Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia. There are probably affiliates in the Harrisburg/Lancaster area, and in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area, but I can't imagine any other places picking up these broadcasts, as in this part of the country, football allegiances are pretty geographically concentrated. Here in Atlanta, the telecasts are split between the CBS affliate WGCL which carries the ESPN feed usually and the NBC affiliate WXIA which also produces a weekly Falcons TV telecast. IIRC, Falcons vision on Comcast Cable has replays of the pre-season games. > the Cowboys' TV network > reaches all of Texas (except those of us stuck in Houston) My understanding is that Jerry Jones and Bob McNair have a handshake agreement to keep each other's radio and preseason television broadcasts out of each other's home markets. We used to get the Cowboys preseason games here in Houston before the Texans arrived. Cowboys fans in Houston have to get their radio broadcasts from KLVI in Beaumont, which fortunately for them puts a pretty decent signal over Houston metro. Most of the regular season Cowboys games are televised here unless there's an exclusivity clash with a Texans home game which happens two or three times a year. > My understanding is that Jerry Jones and Bob McNair have a > handshake agreement to keep each other's radio and preseason > television broadcasts out of each other's home markets. We > used to get the Cowboys preseason games here in Houston > before the Texans arrived. > Yep. Channel 39 used to show them on tape delay until the mid-late 80s, then channel 51 picked them up when Houston didn't have a team. > Cowboys fans in Houston have to get their radio broadcasts > from KLVI in Beaumont, which fortunately for them puts a > pretty decent signal over Houston metro. Most of the > regular season Cowboys games are televised here unless > there's an exclusivity clash with a Texans home game which > happens two or three times a year. > I ponied up the dough for NFL Sunday Ticket this year, so no more blackouts for me. And tonight's game is being seen on DirectTV channel 213 (I think it's an NFL network alternate feed). A couple of years ago, CBS bought the preseason rights for the Packers for WFRV (a Viacom

O&O) with promises to spend more on production than Young-owned WBAY which had owned the rights for many years. WTMJ in Milwaukee also owns part of the rights (and is the Packers' radio flagship, WNFL 1440 in Green Bay carries the radio but is just an affiliate). In addition to WFRV-TV and WTMJ-TV, the games are televised over WKOW/ABC, Madison, Wis.; WAOW/ABC, Wausau/Rhinelander, Wis.; WXOW/ABC, La Crosse, Wis.; WQOW/ABC, Eau Claire; WYOW/ABC, Eagle River, Wis.; and WJMN/CBS, Escanaba, Mi (WFRV's satellite station which gives it coverage in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan). (As might be guessed by their letters, the Madison-WausauLa Crosse-Eau Claire-Eagle River stations are all owned by the same company). The Upper Peninsula has traditionally been more Packers than Lions country, although having Steve Mariucci (a youpper native) as Lions coach may change that a bit if he can ever get that team going. In the Cedar Rapids market, the Fox affiliate carries the Chiefs preseason games and their weekly show during the season. The same station also carries "Inside The Pack" while the Vikings have a local radio affiliate here that can be heard throughout the state. In the Fort Myers market, WTVK TV 46 "WB 6" carries the Miami Dolphins preseason games via WFOR "CBS 4" Miami. The Tampa Bay Bucs games are carried on WFTX TV 36 "FOX 4" via WFLA "NBC 8" Tampa. Charleston SC WCSC CBS Charlotte NC WCCB FOX Columbia SC WACH FOX Florence/Myrtle Beach SC WPDE ABC Florence/Myrtle Beach SC WWMB UPN Greenville/New Bern/Washington NC WFXI FOX Greenville/New Bern/Washington NC WYDO FOX Greenville/Spartanburg SC WSPA CBS Greensboro/Winston-Salem NC WFMY CBS Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville NC WTVD ABC Tri-Cities (Bristol, Johnson City, Kingsport) TN WAPK UPN Wilmington NC WSFX FOX http://www.panthers.com/multimedia/network.jsp They all air Panthers Huddle with John Fox. WCCB airs it on Saturday nights at 10:35. In the past WBTV and WSOC/WAXN have also been the official TV station of the Panthers. WBTV still airs Panthers Gameday on Sunday nights at 11:35. WBTV, WSOC, WCNC, and WCCB have all taken turns simulcasting ESPN and TNT national telecasts in their 10-year history. Surprised that the Bristol/Johnson City/Kingsport, TN market gets the Panthers with the Titans in Nashville. Don't know if another station in that market picks up the Titans or not.Dallas Cowboys pre-season games are carried on either KTVT/Channel 11 (CBS) or KTXA/Channel 21 (UPN), both owned by Viacom. Later in the pre-season, there may be a network game or two thrown in as well. It'd be nice to see some Houston Texans pre-season games, since during the season KTVT carries quite a few Texans games (being in the AFC and all). > > > Surprised that the Bristol/Johnson City/Kingsport, TN market > gets the Panthers with the Titans in Nashville. Don't know

> if another station in that market picks up the Titans or > not. >> > Since the Titans are an AFC team they'd be on CBS affiliate WJHL/11 during the regular season. Don't know if anyone carries Titans' preseason games in the Tri-Cities. But don't be too surprised that the Panthers are on in that market, since TriCities stations get into western North Carolina, particularly in the Boone area. And Charlotte is the closest NFC city to the Tri-Cities. Here in Seattle the Seahawks pre-season games are on KONG TV 16 (UHF) which is the sister station to the NBC affiliate KING 5. Stations that SWAPPED frequencies I know in the Miami Market, WTVJ Channel Four (O&O - NBC) and WCIX Channel 6 (O&O - CBS) literally swapped frequencies not affiliations. WTVJ went to channel 6 and WCIX went to Channel 4 (becoming WFOR in the process) Has there ever been any other cases of stations swapping frequencies. I dont' mean switch affiliations, and I'm not counting those that move channels, for instance WPWR moved from Channel 60 to Channel 50, but there was no station on channel 50. I mean actual swaps. Thanks In the San Francisco market, PBS station KCSM/14 swapped with SIN (now Univision) station KDTV/60 back in the 1970s. KCSM/60 is now dark, but KCSM-DT/43 remains. In Decemeber 1973, in Nashville, WSIX-TV Channel 8 (ABC) swapped dial positions with WDCNTV Channel 2 (PBS). WSIX became WNGE (now WKRN) on the night of the swap, and WDCN later became WNPT. Also, in El Paso in July 1981, the ABC affiliate KVIA (Channel 13) switched channels with the PBS station, KCOS (Channel 7). The call letters remain the same, with ABC on 7, and PBS on 13. In 1970, New Orleans station WVUE-TV (ABC at the time) on Channel 12 moved to Channel 8, while WYES-TV (PBS) moved from Channel 8 to Channel 12. As a matter of fact, WVUE actually made the switch at 8PM that night -- in the middle of a war movie. Those wanting to see the rest of the movie had to change channels. In the early and mid 1960's in Upstate NY, WKTV Ch 13 in Utica dropped down from 13 to Ch 2. This allowed new Ch 13's to be dropped into both Albany and Rochester. Then WROC Ch 5 (orginally Ch 6) Rochester swapped channels with WHEN (now WTVH)Ch 8 in Syracuse. That move allowed for Ch 9 to be dropped into Syracuse for WNYS Later WIXT now WSYR. The WSYR call letters were originally in Syracuse on CH 3. Pay attention they'll be a test later. In Orlando back in 1991, Independent WKCF then-Channel 68 swapped frequencies with Brevard County Community College's Channel 18 to provide more coverage of their station being that they were also the flagship station for Orlando Magic Basketball games. Now WKCF is a WB affiliate

currently owned by Emmis and WKCF is also where Syndicated morning show "The Daily Buzz" originates from. At some point in the late 60s or early 70s, WEHT-25-ABC moved from Channel 50 to its present location at Channel 25, don't know exactly dates though. And Harrisburg, Illinois WSIL-3-ABC originally started out on Channel 22 before moving to Channel 3 sometime in the 60s. Obviously back in the early days of television there were quite a few switches, one being that Chicago lost the Channel 4 signal to nearby Milwaukee (I want to say that WBBM was originally to be on Channel 4 before the realignment). Another I know if is WSB-TV in Atlanta. Started out on Channel 8 under ownership of the Atlanta Journal, but when the Journal bought out the Constitution (which owned the Channel 2 frequency) the station migrated over to Channel 2 and Channel 8 became the city's PBS station. Not exactly earth-shattering, but about a month ago, Home Shopping Network here in NYC moved from the LPTV on 32 to a slightly more higher-powered signal on Ch. 60, where America's Store was broadcast for at least a decade...that station made its way down to 32. Which put ABC on Channel 11 in Atlanta until WSB dropped NBC for ABC in 1980. Some channel changes I can think of: WBRC Birmingham, Channel 4 to Channel 6 WTAR (now WTKR) Norfolk, VA, Channel 4 to Channel 3 WGAL Lancaster, PA, Channel 4 to Channel 8 WTVM Columbus, GA, Channel 28 to Channel 9 (28 later became PBS for that market) WAVE Louisville, Channel 5 to Channel 3 WHAS Louisviile, Channel 9 to Channel 11 WBTW Florence, SC, Channel 8 to Channel 13 WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 I'm pretty sure there wasn't actually a channel swap in Miami. NBC and CBS swapped *stations* the station that was on channel 4 stayed on channel 4 but changed ownership from NBC to CBS; and the station that was on channel 6 also stayed on channel 6 but changed ownership and call letters in the other direction. In fact, I can't think of *any* other incident since 1980 where two TV stations have actually swapped channels; they've all been cases of swapping *licenses*. (some of the older cited cases actually did involve channel swaps) > > At some point in the late 60s or early 70s, WEHT-25-ABC > > moved from Channel 50 to its present location at Channel 25, > > don't know exactly dates though. I think it was 1966. > > And Harrisburg, Illinois WSIL-3-ABC originally started out > > on Channel 22 before moving to Channel 3 sometime in the > > 60s. >>

> > Obviously back in the early days of television there were > > quite a few switches, one being that Chicago lost the > > Channel 4 signal to nearby Milwaukee (I want to say that > > WBBM was originally to be on Channel 4 before the > > realignment). That was due to WENR-TV Ch. 7 owner ABC buying United Paramount Theatres, who owned WBKB Ch. 4 via subsidiary Balaban & Katz. Channel 4 was sold to CBS, who changed the call letters to WBBM-TV and moved to Channel 2 a few months later, replacing Zenith's experimental pay-TV station on that channel (which went dark, those facilities later used to put WTTW Ch. 11 on the air). The WBKB call letters moved to Channel 7. Milwaukee's WTMJ-TV moved from Channel 3 to 4 at the same time, which aleviated interference between it and WKZO-TV Kalamazoo. > > Another I know if is WSB-TV in Atlanta. Started out on > > Channel 8 under ownership of the Atlanta Journal, but when > > the Journal bought out the Constitution (which owned the > > Channel 2 frequency) the station migrated over to Channel 2 > > and Channel 8 became the city's PBS station. > > Which put ABC on Channel 11 in Atlanta until WSB dropped NBC > for ABC in 1980. > > Some channel changes I can think of: > > WBRC Birmingham, Channel 4 to Channel 6 > WTAR (now WTKR) Norfolk, VA, Channel 4 to Channel 3 > WGAL Lancaster, PA, Channel 4 to Channel 8 > WTVM Columbus, GA, Channel 28 to Channel 9 (28 later became PBS for that market) > WAVE Louisville, Channel 5 to Channel 3 > WHAS Louisviile, Channel 9 to Channel 11 > WBTW Florence, SC, Channel 8 to Channel 13 > WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 These are midwestern stations that moved in 1952: WTTV Bloomington IN, Channel 10 to Channel 4 (moving most of its operations to Indianapolis at the same time) WHIO Dayton OH, Channel 13 to 7 WLWD Dayton OH, Channel 5 to 2 WLWT Cincinnati OH, Channel 4 to 5 WCPO Cincinnati OH, Channel 7 to 9 WKRC Cincinnati OH, Channel 11 to 12 WOI Ames IA, Channel 4 to 5 WOC Davenport IA, Channel 5 to 6 Others that moved later on: WFAM Lafayette IN, Channel 59 to 18 (now WLFI) WAKR Akron ON, Channel 49 to 23 (now WVPX) WHIZ Zanesville OH, Channel 50 to 18 WLOK Lima OH, Channel 73 to 35 (now WLIO) WNDU South Bend IN, Channel 46 to 16 WSBT South Bend IN, Channel 34 to 22 WWLP Springfield MA, Channel 61 to 22 WHYN Springfield MA, Channel 55 to 40 (now WGGB)

And one merger of 2 stations into 1: WCHU Ch. 33 Champaign IL and WICD Ch. 24 Danville IL merged to become WICD Ch. 15 Champaign in 1966, then as now rebroadcasting WICS Ch. 20 Springfield IL. > WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 WCTI in New Bern was originally assigned channel 13 during their CP phase but was never actually on 13 because of anticipated conflicts with stations in Virginia. You can get the full story at http://www.wcti12.com/. > Milwaukee's WTMJ-TV moved from Channel 3 to 4 at the same > time, which aleviated interference between it and WKZO-TV > Kalamazoo. Five years later, the FCC shifted the UHF channel assignments of 19, 25, 31 (two of the three weren't on the air this point) to 18 (now WVTV; originally on 19), 24 (now WCGV, signed on in 1980), and 30 (WVCY, signed on in 1983). > > Some channel changes I can think of: >> > > WBRC Birmingham, Channel 4 to Channel 6 > > WTAR (now WTKR) Norfolk, VA, Channel 4 to Channel 3 > > WGAL Lancaster, PA, Channel 4 to Channel 8 > > WTVM Columbus, GA, Channel 28 to Channel 9 (28 later > became PBS for that market) > > WAVE Louisville, Channel 5 to Channel 3 > > WHAS Louisviile, Channel 9 to Channel 11 > > WBTW Florence, SC, Channel 8 to Channel 13 > > WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 > > These are midwestern stations that moved in 1952: > WTTV Bloomington IN, Channel 10 to Channel 4 (moving most of > its operations to Indianapolis at the same time) > WHIO Dayton OH, Channel 13 to 7 > WLWD Dayton OH, Channel 5 to 2 > WLWT Cincinnati OH, Channel 4 to 5 > WCPO Cincinnati OH, Channel 7 to 9 > WKRC Cincinnati OH, Channel 11 to 12 > WOI Ames IA, Channel 4 to 5 > WOC Davenport IA, Channel 5 to 6 > > Others that moved later on: > WFAM Lafayette IN, Channel 59 to 18 (now WLFI) > WAKR Akron ON, Channel 49 to 23 (now WVPX) > WHIZ Zanesville OH, Channel 50 to 18 > WLOK Lima OH, Channel 73 to 35 (now WLIO) > WNDU South Bend IN, Channel 46 to 16 > WSBT South Bend IN, Channel 34 to 22 > WWLP Springfield MA, Channel 61 to 22 > WHYN Springfield MA, Channel 55 to 40 (now WGGB) > > And one merger of 2 stations into 1: > WCHU Ch. 33 Champaign IL and WICD Ch. 24 Danville IL merged > to become WICD Ch. 15 Champaign in 1966, then as now > rebroadcasting WICS Ch. 20 Springfield IL.

> Some more... WTVI (originally licensed to East St. Louis, IL), channel 56 to 36 to 2 (as KTVI) WTVO Rockford, IL, channel 39 to 17 (WQRF signed on 39 in 1978; now WTVO and WQRF are sister stations) WMTV Madison, WI, channel 33 to 15 (now a TBN LPTV station is on 33) > > WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 > > > WCTI in New Bern was originally assigned channel 13 during > their CP phase but was never actually on 13 because of > anticipated conflicts with stations in Virginia. You can > get the full story at http://www.wcti12.com/. > > KL > > The Last Radio Station > Channel 13 was originally assigned to New Bern NC, however, up the road in Norfolk VA there was WVEC-TV, channel 15 which had operated since 1953. Somehow, they were able to pull some political strings and get the FCC to reassign channel 13 from New Bern to Norfolk. I believe WVEC switched from 15 to 13 in 1961. The next year WHRO-TV/15 debuted as the educational channel in Norfolk. WVEC had donated their channel 15 facilities to the educational group. Meanwhile, the FCC allocated channel 12 to New Bern, though it was not as good an allotment as 13---there were interference issues with WRVA-TV12 in Richmond VA. After fighting with WRVA-TV for years, WNBE-TV came on the air in 1964 with a reduced power. Now that I think about it, the removal of 13 from New Bern made it possible for WBTW/8 in Florence SC to switch to 13, allowing WGHP-TV/8 to come on the air in High Point/Greensboro/Winston Salem in 1963. Two more channel changes: WNOK-TV (now WLTX) channel 67 changed to 19 in 1961. Also, WAFB-TV Baton Rouge changed from 28 to 9 sometime in the early 60s. Even better, in New Orleans WVUE started out on 20, moved to 13, then to 12 before finally settling in on 8, as has already been noted. WNBE (WCTI) actually signed on BEFORE WGHP. WNBE signed on September 7, 1963; WGHP, October 14, 1963. I lived in Kinston in 1965 and '66, and remember 12 having a terrible OTA signal, snowy picture and all. And New Bern is only 35 miles from Kinston. > > Milwaukee's WTMJ-TV moved from Channel 3 to 4 at the same > > time, which aleviated interference between it and WKZO-TV > > Kalamazoo. > > Five years later, the FCC shifted the UHF channel > assignments of 19, 25, 31 (two of the three weren't on the > air this point) to 18 (now WVTV; originally on 19), 24 (now > WCGV, signed on in 1980), and 30 (WVCY, signed on in 1983). WCAN-TV had been on Channel 25 but went dark in 1954, four years before the UHF channels were reallocated. They were listed in Vane Jones' station guides for 20 years thereafter as a darkbut-licensed station on 24. No Milwaukee station ever occupied Channel 31, although there were several applications. > Some more...

> WTVI (originally licensed to East St. Louis, IL), channel 56 > to 36 to 2 (as KTVI) WTVI was originally on Channel 54, not 56. > WTVO Rockford, IL, channel 39 to 17 (WQRF signed on 39 in > 1978; now WTVO and WQRF are sister stations) > WMTV Madison, WI, channel 33 to 15 (now a TBN LPTV station > is on 33) There was a reallocation of several UHF channels in the midwest in the early & mid '60s. In a nutshell they were: Channel 15: Moved from Bloomington IL to Champaign IL (WICD) & Madison WI (WMTV). Replaced existing stations on 24 & 33 in Danvile & Champaign, respectively. Channel 18: Assigned to Lafayette IN (WFAM/WLFI). Channel 22: Assigned to Vincennes IN (WVUT). Replaced Princeton IN's 52. Channel 23: Moved from Muncie IN to Marion IN (WNDY). Channel 24: Moved from Danville IL (WDAN/WICD) to Lafayette IN. Channel 25: Assigned to Peoria IL (WEEK) & Evansville IN (WEHT). Channel 31: Deleted from Marion IN (WTAF). Replaced by 23. Channel 33: Moved from Champaign IL (WCHU) and Madison WI (WMTV) to DeKalb IL. Channel 42: Deleted from Bloomington IN. Replaced by 63 but reallocated to Bloomington in the '70s (WCLJ). Channel 43: Moved from Peoria IL (WEEK) to Bloomington IL (WYZZ). Channel 50: Deleted from Evansville IN (WEHT). Channel 52: Deleted from Princeton IN (WRAY). Changed to 22 in Vincennes IN. Channel 59: Moved from Lafayette IN (WFAM) to Indianapolis IN (WXIN) and Peoria IL (WAOE). Channel 63: Assigned to Bloomington IN, replacing 42 (WIIB/WIPX). >Also, WAFB-TV Baton Rouge changed from 28 to 9 sometime in the early 60s. WDAM-TV in Laurel, Miss., had been on Channel 9 from its sign-on in 1956 until WAFB-TV wanted to move to the better position in 1959, if I recall correctly. WDAM-TV then moved to Channel 7. > > Some more... > > WTVI (originally licensed to East St. Louis, IL), channel > 56 > > to 36 to 2 (as KTVI) > > WTVI was originally on Channel 54, not 56. > Yeah, and as a point of clarification, when WTVI moved to St. Louis and Channel 36 in 1955, that's when it changed the W to a K in the call letters. It moved to Channel 2 in 1957. There was a prior case of AFFLIATION changes in Miami but WTVJ was on Channel 4 and everything stayed the same except they stopped broadcasting on Channel 4 and moved to channel 6. WCIX same thing everything stayed the same, they except they also changed their call letters from WCIX (Channel 6) to WFOR(Channel 4) > >Also, WAFB-TV Baton Rouge changed from 28 to 9 sometime in > the early 60s. > > WDAM-TV in Laurel, Miss., had been on Channel 9 from its

> sign-on in 1956 until WAFB-TV wanted to move to the better > position in 1959, if I recall correctly. WDAM-TV then moved > to Channel 7. I read somwhere, two or three years ago, that KOAA-5-NBC in Pueblo/Colo. Spgs. was going to swap channels with the PBS station there on Channel 8. Does anyone have any information concerning this? Sorry, Mark, but according to the FCC database the licenses themselves were swapped between CBS and NBC. So, legally, WTVJ/4 became WCIX/4 (with a same-day call letter change to WFOR) and WCIX/6 became WTVJ/6. Channel four in Chicago was on the air as WBKB. Then moved to chanel two by order of the FCC I believ it was because Channel four was causeing interference with channle four in Milwaukee. If you want to read more about it the video veteren has a great Chicago TV history site that talks about this. It is www.chicagotelevision.com Also, WEEK tv 25 the NBC affiliate in Peoria Illinois started out on Channle 43. NOt sure why they moved to Channle 25. Chicago's Channel 4 was indeed forced by the FCC to move to Channel 2 a few months after CBS bought it and renamed it WBBM-TV. However, as the Video Veteran mentions on his site, the interference issue that caused this move actually involved a Milwaukee station and one on the other side of Lake Michigan. WTMJ-TV Milwaukee originally occupied Channel 3 and was interfering too much with Kalamazoo, Michigan's Channel 3 station, WKZO-TV. WBBM-TV's jump to Channel 2 and the FCC-mandated shutdown of Zenith Radio Corporation's Channel 2 experimental pay TV station in Chicago let the FCC move WTMJ-TV to Channel 4 and, if I'm not mistaken, also triggered the allocation of Channel 3 to Madison, Wisconsin. In Pennsylvania, there was WOPC-TV, which started in the '70s as a weak ABC affil on Channel 38. In the '80s(not sure exactly when), WOPC-TV moved to Channel 23(home of the current WATM-TV) and Channel 38 was taken out of Altoona and reallocated to Scranton, where a new independent, WOLF-TV, signed on in 1985. That station is now WSWB-TV, and is the WB station for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. As for Altoona, 23 went to a satellite of WWCP-TV, a new Johnstown sign-on on Channel 8, in late 1986. It then became WWPC-TV, with the then brand-new Fox network. Two years later, Channel 23 broke away from Channel 8's Fox programming, and went back to ABC as WATM-TV. Today, they remain co-owned with WWCP-TV 8. I don't know the details, but what is now WVLT-TV 8 in Knoxville, Tennessee, was originally on channel 26, before securing a VHF frequency in the 1980s. > > At some point in the late 60s or early 70s, WEHT-25-ABC > > moved from Channel 50 to its present location at Channel > 25, > > don't know exactly dates though. >> > > And Harrisburg, Illinois WSIL-3-ABC originally started out > > > on Channel 22 before moving to Channel 3 sometime in the > > 60s. >> > > Obviously back in the early days of television there were > > quite a few switches, one being that Chicago lost the > > Channel 4 signal to nearby Milwaukee (I want to say that

> > WBBM was originally to be on Channel 4 before the > > realignment). >> > > Another I know if is WSB-TV in Atlanta. Started out on > > Channel 8 under ownership of the Atlanta Journal, but when > > > the Journal bought out the Constitution (which owned the > > Channel 2 frequency) the station migrated over to Channel >2 > > and Channel 8 became the city's PBS station. > > Which put ABC on Channel 11 in Atlanta until WSB dropped NBC > > for ABC in 1980. > > Some channel changes I can think of: > > WBRC Birmingham, Channel 4 to Channel 6 > WTAR (now WTKR) Norfolk, VA, Channel 4 to Channel 3 > WGAL Lancaster, PA, Channel 4 to Channel 8 > WTVM Columbus, GA, Channel 28 to Channel 9 (28 later > became PBS > for that market) > WAVE Louisville, Channel 5 to Channel 3 > WHAS Louisviile, Channel 9 to Channel 11 > WBTW Florence, SC, Channel 8 to Channel 13 > WCTI New Bern, NC, Channel 13 to Channel 12 >> > > I'm pretty sure there wasn't actually a channel swap in > Miami. NBC and CBS swapped *stations* - the station that > was on channel 4 stayed on channel 4 but changed ownership > from NBC to CBS; and the station that was on channel 6 also > stayed on channel 6 but changed ownership and call letters > in the other direction. Sorry, but the original post was right. The Miami situation is VERY complicated and involves BOTH an affiliation swap and a frequency swap by two stations. Years ago the lineup in Miami was as follows: WTVJ-4 CBS WCIX-6 FOX WSVN-7 NBC WPLG-10 ABC WCIX is a weak VHF in that market because it's transmitter is south of where all the other transmitters are. NBC bought WTVJ and set a date to dump the CBS affiliation for NBC. CBS decided not to affiliate with WSVN and wound up buying WCIX. After that swap, the market looked like this: WTVJ-4 NBC WCIX-6 CBS WSVN-7 FOX WPLG-10 ABC

CBS tried to fix the Channel 6 signal with all kinds of LPTV stations, antenna giveaways, and an affiliation swap in the Ft. Myers/W. Palm Beach market. They may have even been able to move the tower a few miles to the north, but not much. Ultimately, they decided to do a deal with NBC to swap frequencies. I think CBS paid a premium to NBC for the improved signal on 4. After that swap, the market looked like this: WFOR-4 CBS WTVJ-6 NBC WSVN-7 FOX WPLG-10 ABC If I'm not mistaken, there was little impact on the ratings from the switch. Obviously the rise and fall of CBS and NBC respectively has changed that somewhat. The overall big winners out of all of these changes were Fox and ABC. Fox wound up on a station with a strong news department. ABC stayed on the strongest station in the market. > CBS tried to fix the Channel 6 signal with all kinds of LPTV > stations, antenna giveaways, and an affiliation swap in the > Ft. Myers/W. Palm Beach market. Fort Myers and West Palm Beach are separate markets, and Fort Myers never had an affiliation swap (now counting low-powered and cable-only stations involving UPN and WB). Any Syndicated Programming Changing Stations In Your Market? Here in Savannah, GA "Jeopardy!" (and I assume "Wheel of Fortune") will be leaving WJCL, our ABC affiliate and moving to WSAV, our NBC affiliate. This is pretty big as WJCL has had both game shows for more than a decade. I first noticed this during a commercial. This will begin September 12th. Anything similar happening in your area? I saw yesterday that in Memphis Friends reruns are moving from WHBQ Fox 13 to WPTY ABC 24. I suppose one of the biggest changes is in Dallas/Ft. Worth: Wheel and Jeopardy! are moving from WFAA/8 (ABC) to KTVT/11 (CBS) Sept. 12. The two game shows had been on Channel 8 since the late '80s, at least. Entertainment Tonight will replace Wheel at 6:30 (Central), but I don't know what 8 will put in place of Jeopardy! "The Insider", perhaps. I know of at least one station (WLIO/Lima, OH) that airs the shows in th at order. I was told that KTVT will start airing a 9AM newscast (in favor of a 4PM newscast) and 'Millionaire' will move from KTVT to WFAA to cover the time slot left of 'Jeopardy.' In Los Angeles, Dr. Phil is moving from KNBC to KCBS starting on September 19 (I believe), and it still retain its 4pm time slot. KNBC gets the new Martha Stewart show at 3pm, and moves Ellen Degeneres to 4pm. Dr. Phil is moving to the CBS O&Os that don't currently carry his show, all within the next year, except probably San Francisco and one other market. > Anything similar happening in your area?

Rockford: Inside Edition is moving from WREX to WTVO in the fall. Milwaukee: I heard a rumor (no details on it, though) that J! and Wheel are moving from WTMJ-TV to WDJT. That one is true! It will happen in September. BTW here's the article from June 2003 http://www.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/jun03/146945.asp Yes, this is true. The debut is 9/12 starting at 6:00pm with Jeopardy followed by Wheel. > Here in Savannah, GA "Jeopardy!" (and I assume "Wheel of > Fortune") will be leaving WJCL, our ABC affiliate and moving > to WSAV, our NBC affiliate. This is pretty big as WJCL has > had both game shows for more than a decade. I first noticed > this during a commercial. This will begin September 12th. > > Anything similar happening in your area? > > > Yes. WBXI, the local WB affiliate is losing Ellen Degeneres' show, as it is being moved over to their sister station WBNG (CBS aff.). No other major changes have been advertised locally, as of yet, but there were some switches last fall that were handled very quietly, so it's a wait-and-see situation. Low Tide > Yes, this is true. The debut is 9/12 starting at 6:00pm with > Jeopardy followed by Wheel. So what's TMJ filling with? Also, isn't it weird for a CT station to have J! and Wheel @ 6 and 6:30? Most run 3:30/4:30 and 6:30, or before and after the news block. In Little Rock Ellen will be moving to its third station in three years to KTHV (previously KARK, and KLRT) and taking on Oprah (KATV)@ 4pm head to head....can anybody say death wish Martha Stewart's new show will be on KATV in the 3pm time slot opposite Dr Phil on KTHV Figured the first tier syndicated programs will shy away from Nexstar BG since they plan another front on the cable-carriage wars. Judge Judy and Montel appear to stay put on KARK. Could this be true? Could we have a another battle on who'll claim the title of 4PM? This could very well be interesting. In case you don't know, JUDGE JUDY and (in some areas) JERRY SPRINGER airs at 4PM (eastern time) in most markets against OPRAH as well (depending on market). Maybe we could see a ratings fatal-4-way for 4PM! I never knew that ELLEN's popularity would be this huge. In my area (Pittsburgh), ELLEN currently airs on WPXI-11 (NBC) at 10AM against DR. PHIL on WTAE-4 (ABC)(OPRAH airs on WTAE-4 at 4PM). Could Ch. 11 switch ELLEN and JUDGE JUDY (currently at 4PM) in the fall? Please note: I mentioned ELLEN, JUDGE JUDY and JERRY SPRINGER because they are among the top daytime syndies that are really closing in on that coveted 4PM time slot, and, OPRAH is still

dominant! PATRICK In Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, PA. Ellen Is Switching From WBRE The NBC Station Over To WNEP The Local ABC Station. Ellen Will Fill The 10:00 Position Now Held By Family Feud. Replacing Ellen On WBRE Will Be The Tony Danza Show Which Moves Over From The Fox Affiliate WOLF Which I Believe Is Putting The Tyra Banks Show In That Spot. It Gets Confusing! Is anyone picking up Family Feud? In Seattle KCPQ-13 has picked up "Tony Danza" from KONG-16. Early morning local TV news outside the top 50 I'm curious about starting times for local TV morning newscasts outside the top 50 markets. Is 5 AM local time a typical start? Also, during these newscasts, when do traffic reports start? Example: in Des Moines (DMA #73) two network affiliates start local newscasts at 5 AM, with traffic reports catching the occasional clumping of cars starting at 5:45 AM. In the Tupelo/Columbus/West Point market (#132) the two stations that produce news start their morning programs at 5:30am. I do not believe either do regular traffic reports, as the market is to small and disjointed to make it effective. In Evansville, Indiana (#99), WFIE-14-NBC begins their newscast at 4:30am while WEHT-25-ABC begins at 5:00am and WTVW-7-Fox begins at 6:00am. Not sure when they being their traffic reports. In Erie, PA (#143), WICU (NBC) runs 12 News Today from 5-7 AM. WJET (ABC) runs Good Morning Erie from 5:30-7 AM. Here in Rochester, New York the ABC, NBC and CBS affiliates start their local news shows at 5:00am. Actually the NBC affiliate played catch-up with the other two stations because their morning news block used to start at 5:30 am. The FOX affiliate, which carries News Central, does have an early morning news show. They are lucky to have enough people to staff their 10:00pm news. I believe that all of us in Rockford (#134) start news @ 5:30am. I work nights, so I'm never up that early to check. In the Cedar Rapids Market DMA #88 (which includes Iowa City Waterloo and Dubuque) KCRG (ABC) 9 and KWWL (NBC) 7 both start news at 5am. KWWL has a traffic reporter deemed "Traffic Tracker" who reports at around 5 and 35 minutes after the hour between 5-7am. KGAN (CBS) 2 doesn't have morning news anymore only to show infomericals instead until the Early Show starts at 6am. KFXA 28 will start a morning program in September not sure what time that will start but would bet it would go past 7am (Maybe 6-9 or 6-8am)

In Honolulu KHON-2(Fox), KITV-4(ABC) and KHNL-13(NBC) start their morning newscast at 5am. KGMB-9(CBS) has "The Daily Buzz" from 5 to 7am. In Huntsville, Alabama, the big three (CBS, NBC, ABC) all start their morning news at 5am. WHNT and WAFF have traffic reports which consist of a stationary camera looking at 5 cars on the freeway and calling it "heavy traffic". (When it rains, it is a study in blurry images) I'm not sure about WAAY's traffic coverage since I dont watch it much. In Ft. Wayne, Indiana, the big 3 (WANE, WPTA, WISE) start at 5 am, although I'm not sure when the traffic reports start. I do know that they at least exist. The WISE newscast is a simulcast of WPTA, although WISE did have their own two hour news prior to Granite's buy of the station (they still operate WPTA under a LMA) earlier this year. Fox affiliate WFFT offers no local news, although it's been rumored that might be changing since Ft. Wayne is now a two newscast market. Well, if you're bored some afternoon, you can look at the Des Moines traffic cams: http://www.511ia.org/DM_Metro_tripGuide.asp Iowa is getting less rural all of the time, as farms consolidate and the non farmers living out in the sticks are getting tired of no jobs and big stink from hog confinements, which tend to sprout almost at will, thanks to our state legislature. So they come to da big city, relatively speaking...DM metro population is approaching 500,000. Still, I've lived for several years in much larger metros, and yes, traffic is pretty much a cakewalk here in comparison. Not exactly an oxymoron, but you can see it from here. And traffic reports here before 6:30 in the morning serve very little purpose. But, given some of the other responses up and down the thread, apparently we're not alone in this market in trying to mimic the big boys, whether it makes sense or not. Well Traffic reports in Iowa on morning shows may seem silly but when KWWL has to do traffic reports for 4 cities not just one and anyone who has been in Des Moines the last few years and will be in the next few would know why Des Moines NEEDS a traffic report with 235 being reconstructed. In Toledo WTOL (CBS), WTVG (ABC O&O), and WNWO (NBC) all start right up at 5am. Don't know about the traffic, though. Back to Ft. Wayne for a second... > Fox affiliate WFFT offers no local news, although it's been rumored that > might be changing since Ft. Wayne is now a two newscast market. I'd love to see them have a go at it; of course, I'd love to see WPTA taken down a peg or three after the WISE debacle. Anyone have any background on Nexstar stations with news and how they fare in those markets? WTVW-7-Evansville is owned by Nexstar. I believe they are a distant third (in a 3-station race) behind WFIE-14 and WEHT-25. Mostly, I believe, this is due to the affiliation swap that occured in Evansville in 1995. This involved three of the four stations (WEHT-25 went from CBS to ABC, WEVV-44 went from Fox to CBS and WTVW-7 went from ABC to Fox) when WTVW's then owner, Banam (a division of the

old BankAmerica) sold off its television assets (two years later, of course, BankAmerica would merge with Nationsbank and become Bank Of America). Another Nexstar station is KBTV-4-NBC in Beaumont/Port Arthur, TX. Another station that is third in a 3-station market. This is not hard to understand as KFDM-6-CBS is the dominant station and generally leaves only crumbs for both KBTV and KBMT-12-ABC to pick up. A third, WTWO-2-NBC Terre Haute, IN. WTWO is a distant second in a 2-station race with WTHI10-CBS (the dominant). There is a third station in the market, Bahakel-owned WFXW-38-Fox (Formerly WBAK). I can't remember which station produces a prime-time edition for WFXW, but it recently (as in the past two years) changed from one station to the other. Even in their home market, Wilkes-Barre, PA, they don't muster much higher than second and third, respectively (they own both WBRE-28-NBC and WYOU-22-CBS). Both fall behind New York Times-owned WNEP-16-ABC. In Wichita-Hutchinson, Kansas (#61), KSNW (Channel 3-NBC) and KAKE (Channel 10-ABC) has their morning newscast at 5 am. KWCH (Channel 12-CBS) have theirs at 5:30 am. In the Laurel/Hattiesburg (MS) market, the "big dog" of it's two stations --- and for many years the only dog in the house --- is Raycom Media owned NBC affiliate WDAM-TV 7. It airs "News 7 Today" from 5:30 until 7:00. The interesting bit about WDAM is it's morning/midday weathercaster, Jim Gibbons. Talk about a throwback! Jim is not a certified meterologist, but he's done the morning and midday weather (as well as reading news on "Midday") for nearly 50 years without a break! Also does a lot of commercial voiceovers. This guy has had a long and interesting career, including serving as the announcer for Paul Harvey on radio when he originated his show on at least a couple of occasions from the Pine Belt. Also like Harvey, he shows no sign of wanting to retire anytime soon! The other station in the Pine Belt market, Media General-owned WHLT-TV 22 (CBS), simply simulcasts it's sister station out of Jackson WJTV-TV 12. It had a local news operation for awhile, but WDAM is such a dominant presence and it's previous owner didn't care to put enough resources into it to make it competitive. Even smaller than Erie, the Watertown, NY market (#176) has WWNY (CBS) that airs 7 News This Morning from 6-7 AM. At 5 AM they air First Business, and at 5:30 a CBS newscast. They sign on the air at 5 AM. Breaking News during AM Shows How do the networks handle Breaking News Events (such as Thursday's London incident) between time zones? I'm assuming the West Coast sees the same East Coast feed of TODAY each day (just tape delayed a few hours). On Thursday, NBC cut from normal TODAY programming around 8:30am and went into Special Report mode. So -- when TODAY aired at 7am PT, what did viewers see? In the East at 10am ET, Katie & Matt tossed it to Brian Williams doing an NBC Special Report. Did Katie & Matt then handle a 7am PT live edition of TODAY for West Coast viewers only? What about the portions of TODAY from 7-8:30am ET that East Coast viewers saw -- did the West Coast see them at all?

How common is it for network Morning teams to end up staying until 12 or 1pm ET to re-do an entire Morning Show for the West Coast that may have been interupted by a Breaking News event?? I was watching at one point where at 10am MT, 9am PT time, they said goodbye to the MT viewers but told PT viewers to stay tuned for another hour. I didn't see very many, if any, 'LIVE-PDT' bugs on the show. Granted, I only saw like 5 total minutes of the show. I woke up @ 8:30ish because my WX Radio went off for severe thunderstorms in my area... Today was "Live-EST" at that point, which was 8:30central (9:30 eastern). At 9a they said "Some of you will be going to Brian Williams with a SR and some of you will be continuing with us" then dipped to black for a second and then rolled the Today open and all the bugs were "Live-PDT". Things locally wrapped at 10am when they left the Today show and went into regular programming with Live with Regis and Kelly. Well out here in the Seattle area we get a live west coast edition for all 3 network morning news shows. But if breaking news happens before 7am don't be surprised if KOMO-4(ABC), KING5(NBC) and KIRO-7(CBS) switches to the network feed ASAP. Interestingly KCPQ-13(Fox) uses both CNN and Fox News Channel feeds for their live coverage of worldwide breaking events. If the launch of the space shuttle Discovery, now scheduled for Tuesday morning (July 26th) at 10:39 A.M. EDT remains on-schedule, NBC might decide to expand Tuesday's "Today Show" to four hours, from 7 to 11 A.M. local. If NBC does indeed do this, the 10-11 A.M. EDT hour, which would include the launch, would be broadcast live in all time zones. If NBC indeed does this, they would have to re-do the on-the-hour and on-the-half hour news updates for time zones where "Today" would continue after the live launch coverage to show replays of the liftoff. Another example: Although I didn't see it live, some time later, I did see a tape of how ABC News began their coverage of the September 11th, 2001 terorist attacks on the World Trade Center. At about 8:50 A.M. EDT, "Good Morning America" came out of a commercial, and showed a live shot of the north tower on fire, having just been hit by an aircraft. Co-hosts Charles Gibson and Diane Sawyer briefly talked about what was going on, but about a minute and a half later, Gibson said something to the effect of "We're going to pause for a moment to bring the rest of the network aboard for an ABC News Special Report". After the "Special Report" opening, Gibson returned, welcoming viewers in other time zones and recapping the very few details known at that point. I suspect the first couple of minutes of CBS and NBC's coverage that day was also seen only in the Eastern time zone, and that they likewise paused their coverage for a few seconds to "bring the rest of the network on-board". I can't speak for NBC, but I was watching KHOU-11-CBS the morning of 9/11 (they broadcast local news with "Early Show" cutins from 7:00 - 8:00am). At approximately 8:50, they generally cut to "Early Show" usually for a Dr. Emily Senay Health report (or at least that morning they did). About a minute and half into the segment, the morning of 9/11, the "CBS News Special Report" tape cued up (the one that counts down 10-seconds so that their affiliates have time to pick up the feed) then cut to Bryant Gumble reporting on the first crash. I assumed that they put that countdown tape up to give their affiliates in all time zones a chance to

pick up the feed (at the discretion). Tim in Houston remembers: > I was watching KHOU-11-CBS the > morning of 9/11 (they broadcast local news with "Early Show" > cutins from 7:00 - 8:00am, CDT/CST). At approximately 8:50 (EDT), they > generally cut to "Early Show" usually for a Dr. Emily Senay > Health report (or at least that morning they did). > > About a minute and half into the segment, the morning of > 9/11, the "CBS News Special Report" tape cued up (the one > that counts down 10-seconds so that their affiliates have > time to pick up the feed) then cut to Bryant Gumble > reporting on the first crash. > > I assumed that they put that countdown tape up to give their > affiliates in all time zones a chance to pick up the feed > (at their discretion). A well-run TV station master-control room not running a network program at the time a news bulletin comes on should be able to cut into the network no later than the moment the countdown reaches "8". There may be a secondary purpose for having a ten-second countdown before the start of a "CBS News Special Report": The ten-second countdown may also exist so viewers watching can alert anyone else in the house who is not at the TV set to come to the TV, or someone watching another program to change channels. One example could be a man watching CBS when the regular program is interrupted and the countdown begins. He can then yell to his wife: "Honey! Come Quick! A CBS News Bulletin!", or, if she is watching TV in another room, he could yell: "Honey! Turn On Channel 4! (which is the channel number of WBZ, the CBS station here in Boston) A CBS News Bulletin!". His wife will then have enough time to either run into the room where the TV is or to change the channel on her own TV set, and hear Bob Schieffer (or whoever else is on-duty in the CBS newsroom at the time) begin the "special report". > Well out here in the Seattle area we get a live west coast > edition for all 3 network morning news shows. It's very, very uncommon that the West Coast gets the full two or three hours of the network morning shows live; it would pretty much have to be a major news story where the network is in wall-to-wall coverage mode. What's more common is that, for the West Coast, they'll update the show from the 7:00 opening until the end of that half-hour's newscast, and then the newscasts in each half-hour, but they'll keep the rest of the show the same. However, that happens much less often than the usual status quo of the West Coast getting the entire two or three hours on tape delay. Is that countdown even meant for air? I remember working at a CBS affiliate about 12 years ag, we had one monitor dedicated to anything CBS needed to tall us, even "CBS will air a special report at 8:38:00am for all time zones". Ever since 9/11, both CBS stations I've watched since then (KHOU-11-Houston and more recently, WCBI-4-Columbus, MS) have carried the 10-second countdown with the CBS News theme playing underneath. The anchor usually does the voice over "This is a CBS News Special Report. XX,

reporting from CBS News Headquarters in New York"). The few times I've seen the special report (the Pope's election and more recently a London bombings update), they dumped out of "The Price Is Right," a network show (which the Eastern/Central affiliates generally air in the 11:00/10:00 hour). I would assume the countdown is meant for the Mountain/Pacific and Alaska/Hawaii time zones which may be airing a mix of local, syndicated and/or network programming. London Underground Explosion coverage... Early at around 8:50am GMT, (3:50am EST) several explosions were reported in London Underground subways and buses. CNN was on the air with Daybreak from Atlanta and Fredrica Whitfield but at 4am they moved to CNNI coverage (CNN domestic graphics on screen), but from my vantage point none of the major networks were on it... BBC News 24, Sky News(relayed via Fox News Channel) and ITV News Channel were on the scene in Britain. CBS, ABC and NBC all started their coverage around the time they would have aired their morning shows. NBC aired special reports from the TODAY news desk. ABC and CBS also aired some inserts but a lot of my networks (im in Chicago) were in local morning news, switching from local to network every so often. WGN aired CNN news and came back every so often with a terror expert. All Chicago networks went to LIVE Network feeds at 6am instead of 7am ct. In Boston, the "big there" affiliates (CBS-owned WBZ-4, ABC affiliate WCVB-5 and NBC affiliate WHDH-7) stayed with their respective networks' live coverage until 12 Noon when they began their local noon newscasts. WBZ expanded their Noon news past it's usual end at 12:30; at this writing (12:40 P.M. EDT), it's still on. WCVB's noon news was not extended past 12:30, and ABC's network coverage must have ended because WCVB is running "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?". WHDH's noon news is normally an hour long anyway, running until 1. Is CNN taking the feed from ITV? Our Phoenix Indy KTVK (3TV) is a CNN affiliate...but some of the coverage was apparently from ITV (blue and yellow graphics) I believe they did take some ITV News Channel footage. (On the repeating loop that they've been running, you could see some of their graphics and the ITV logo) CNN has a long-standing relationship with ITV. ABC News has a relationship with BBC. BBC America was absolutely invaluable this morning. Live simulcast of BBC1/News 24 programming, commercial-free, all morning long -- and the kind of context missing from the American news networks. What amazes me is that NO ONE here in the States picked up Britain's famous Channel 4 and ITS news coverage. You would think CNN would have the smarts to do that since ITN is a broadcast partner with MSNBC. Just a thought Smiley Cheers for now Smiley

NBC Affiliate Coverage of the Situation in London What did your local NBC affiliate do for coverage of the situation in London? WVIT Channel 30 (NBC O&O) in the Hartford/New Haven market dumpped out of their local news a little after 6AM Eastern and switched to MSNBC. Except for a couple interruptions for local weather they stuck with MSNBC until 7AM. Here in Chicago we started our local coverage at 5am then at 6am we went to the live feed of Today and dumped our 6am news hour. My thing is since we are now live instead of airing today a hour later like usual. Today will end at 9am ct. So will WMAQ do a news at 9am before Ellen at 10am or will their be a "Special" hour of Today for the affiliates that went early? Actually, on WLIW (Channel 21) in New York, a PBS station, they are showing the BBC World live news telecast. It cannot get any better than this. BBC America is running BBC's live coverage. As opposed to all the second-guessing with 'experts'/talking heads that's going on all the American major news networks and cable news channels, BBC is actually reporting on what's happening in London. I woke up at 9:30am (yeah I'm lazy) and didn't know. Only WMAQ-TV Channel 5 NBC O&O is having extra news coverage. Our mayor was on at 9:30a telling people how safe Chicago is. I like when he said "If you see a suspicious package or strange acting people tell the train or bus operator." LOL... It's a subway half the people are strange and everyone has a backpack or package. It's only on days like this when I miss cable. YES, I so wish that I had access to one of those feeds via BBC America or a local PBS affiliate carrying BBC News (as WLIW in NY is). Here in NH, we're 0 for 2. Throughout the morning, I kept wishing that Fox News would just shut up and let their SkyNews feed do the talking. They would tease us with 30 seconds or so of Sky content, then go local again. Sky seemed to be doing an excellent job, but FNC insists on having their anchors bloviate all morning - basically adding nothing. Likewise CNN - I really would prefer to watch the CNNI feed over the continuous blabber from the US announcers. Knowing London reasonably well, I would simply prefer to see a feed from across the pond. Where they really know what's going on and how to cover it. As of 12:30 PM (ET), NBC is the only one of the Big Three still on the air with coverage, and that's because the Today show stays on on the West Coast until 1 PM (ET)/10 AM (PT). ABC went ahead with The View at 11 AM (ET); CBS went back to regular programming at noon (ET), because WCBS's news was on, while KCBS had The Larry Elder Show. I would expect that, barring some new development, ABC, CBS, and NBC will not be back until their 6:30 newscasts come on. In the meantime, particularly if you live in a major city, your local law-enforcement personnel may be on the air discussing heightened security measures on mass-transit systems, so you might want to keep tuned.

B. Patrick noted: > ABC went ahead with The View at 11 AM (ET)..... The ABC afiliate here in Boston, WCVB-5, did not air "The View", instead broadcasting the West Coast feed of "Good Morning America" until it ended at 12 Noon EDT (9 A.M. PDT). You're such a dolt, I swear. It was ABC's Special Report for all time zones, not the WC's GMA feed. While there was a special report for a good deal of that hour, we got The View on our ABC at 11ET in Burlington, VT and not GMA. In fact our Hearst-Argyle station, Ch. 5 WPTZ (NBC) stayed with Today until noon, so that may have come down from corporate to stay with the morning shows. Up here in Sacramento, KCRA (NBC) cut into Conan O'Brien's show at a little after 1am with MSNBC's first cut-ins, then went continuous at 1:35am from MSNBC and NBC. They took "Early Today" at 3am (Live eastern feed) and "Today" at 4am, then went to local news from 5-7am. They took the live Western edition of Today from 7-10am and bumped "Regis & Kelly" to 10am (normally airs at 9am). Hi everyone: > What did your local NBC affiliate do for coverage of the > situation in London? WVIT Channel 30 (NBC O&O) in the > Hartford/New Haven market dumpped out of their local news a > little after 6AM Eastern and switched to MSNBC. Except for a > couple interruptions for local weather they stuck with MSNBC > until 7AM. KUSA 9 here in Denver went directly to NBC at (I presume) 4:30 AM when they air "Early Today" and stayed with it well into the 5:00 AM newscast. Beyond that, it was a blend of local news and NBC coverage until 7:00 AM when they went to NBC and stayed with NBC until 10:00 AM (I don't even know if they took their usual :25 and :55 breaks for news during the 7-10 AM block). KUSA picked up its regular programming schedule at 10:00 AM. Incidentally, on a related note, FOX O&O KDVR 31 started airing FOX News at 5:00 AM and basically made it an extension of their usual 5:30-8:00 AM "Good Day Colorado" morning newscast. They also included coverage from FNC during the morning newscast. They went on with their usual schedule at 8:00 AM. KWGN 2 picked up CNN till 9:00 AM when they too went on with their usual morning schedule. Both KWGN & KDVR interrupted programming for the DHS news conference though. KDVR's coverage was via FOX News on the regular FOX Network though, the only time I recall the regular FOX Network being utilized for coverage of the event. I don't believe CNN ever tapped into the WB Network for ANY of its coverage of the attack, though I stand corrected if I'm wrong though. Smiley That's the report from here. Smiley Cheers for now Smiley Pat Cook Denver, Colorado

Hi everyone: > Actually, on WLIW (Channel 21) in New York, a PBS station, > they are showing the BBC World live news telecast. It > cannot get any better than this. Yeah KBDI 12 here in Denver also did this as well (A PBS relay?). Anyhow, after awhile, I got tired of the domestic network schmucks talking over their British colleagues and switched to BBC America, which was simulcasting BBC World at times in which they weren't providing their own coverage. BBC America was DEFINATELY *THE* channel to turn to if it was available to you as everything else was quite speculative (FNC being the biggest offender of course!). Cheers for now Smiley Pat Cook Denver, Colorado Hi everyone: > Throughout the morning, I kept wishing that Fox News would > just shut up and let their SkyNews feed do the talking. > They would tease us with 30 seconds or so of Sky content, > then go local again. Sky seemed to be doing an excellent > job, but FNC insists on having their anchors bloviate all > morning - basically adding nothing. Which is most likely why KDVR pretty much dropped the simulcast with FNC when it came time to start their morning newscast and only switching back to FNC when there was a major development or an important news conference of some kind had started. > Likewise CNN - I really would prefer to watch the CNNI feed > over the continuous blabber from the US announcers. You're lucky. I don't get CNN International here in Denver. Must be a Time-Warner Cable exclusive or something (Comcast is my local cable company). > Knowing London reasonably well, I would simply prefer to see > a feed from across the pond. Where they really know what's > going on and how to cover it. For awhile there (before Brian Williams came on), MSNBC was simulcasting ITN. But by then, I was honed in on BBC America and the coverage from sister network BBC World. Cheers for now Smiley Pat Cook Denver, Colorado How The Network News Anchor Shake-Up May Affect Shuttle Launch Coverage Today (June 30th), NASA announced their the first manned space shuttle flight since the Columbia disaster will be launched (assuming there are no further delays) at 3:51 P.M. EDT on Wednesday, July 13th.

I would suspect that being the first launch since the Columbia crash, the launch will not just be seen on CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC, but the "big there" broadcast networks as well. And with the recent shake-up in network news anchors, it gets interesting. Although NBC's coverage will probably get anchored by Brian Williams, I would personally prefer that NBC/MSNBC space correspondent Jay Barbree anchor the NBC coverage. Barbree is the only broadcast journalist who has covered every U.S. manned space launch (until NBC sold-off it's radio network in 1988, he was NBC radio's anchor for space coverage), and in my opinion would be a better choice than Williams. But Williams is a "star", and that may put him in the chair. But if Williams does anchor, I think Barbree should co-anchor. His knowledge of space would be a real asset. On the other hand, Barbree may end up sharing the MSNBC anchor desk with Chris Matthews, who seems to be getting a lot of special-event anchoring assignments at that network. Had the "memogate" scandal not occured, Dan Rather would have been in the anchor chair for CBS for the launch. While Bob Schieffer is the interim anchor of the "Evening News", I don't know if he'll be going to the Cape. Two other possibilities for CBS News who would make much more sense to anchor the launch are either network space consultant Bill Harwood or correspondent Peter King (who does most of his work on radio). The latter has anchored quite a few shuttle launches for CBS Radio. ABC's Peter Jennings is still recovering from cancer. Hopefully, he'll be well enough to anchor the launch coverage. If he isn't, I don't know where ABC can turn to. I don't think there's really any other correspondents there with Jennings' space experience and interest. I would think ABC probably wishes Hugh Downs hadn't retired; he too has a lot of knowledge of space exploration (didn't he and Jennings co-anchor ABC's coverage of John Glenn's return to space in 1998??) and would have been an ideal choice. One other note: I would suspect that in the Eastern and Central time zones, ABC's "General Hospital" and CBS' "Guiding Light" will probably both be pre-empted on July 13th, with live coverage on these two networks (and NBC, which doesn't feed network programming between 3 and 4 P.M. EDT) likely running from 3 to 4:30 P.M. EDT. While the launch is set for 3:51, it will take almost ten minutes for the shuttle to achieve orbit; after the shuttle goes into orbit, the networks will want to show replays of the launch and interview VIP's and people on nearby beaches who saw the launch. Slightly off-topic: I don't think the launch will happen as soon as July 13th, but I think it will occur around the end of July. But still, I do expect the "big three" will air the launch live, and I started this thread to discuss who might be anchoring the broadcast networks' coverage of that launch. Well then...rather than doing your usual suspecting and wondering, as well as your usual longwinded dissertation, why not make a statement with some bite: This is who will be anchoring and why. Not: I suspect this person will be there but I dont want that person to be there. I wonder if that person will be there? I personally dont care who is there but since you asked: ABC: Charles Gibson/Diane Sawyer/Elizabeth Vargas will be the main anchors because, as of right now, they are the voices of ABC News and the stars of ABC News. Barbara Walters will also be there commenting in some capacity even if its just as part of The View earlier in the day. Joseph, Peter Jennings will NOT be there. As much as you might like him to be there, the man is fighting

for his life and that takes precedence over everything else including a little spaceship trip. CBS: Bob Schieffer will definitely be there because, as of right now, he is the voice of CBS News. Dan Rather will be there because, despite the Memogate scandal and his anchor chair retirement, he has been thru so many historical events with the network. Ed Bradley will be there because he seems to be at all these network events. NBC: Brian Williams will anchor simply because he...say it with me...is the voice of NBC News. Tom Brokaw will be brought out of mothballs because he is a valuable voice and because he said when he retired that he'd be back occasionally for special reports. Tim Russert will also be there. Each network will have consultants/experts/etc. Ok Joe?? Simple and to the point. The fact that there has been a network anchor shakeup has no bearing on anything. Whomever is the lead anchor or the substitute lead anchor or the star(s), meaning highly paid, is who is going to be there. It's always the same format, it never changes, and its certainly not worthy of creating yet another post about nothing. Having said that, I enjoyed answering your post about nothing. Let's do this a few hundred thousand more times, shall we? This is how I see it... 1. Charles Gibson will definitely anchor at ABC, with Shepherd Smith at FOX, Lester Holt on MSNBC (with Barbree at the Cape), Miles O'Brien on CNN, and probably NASA TV's own Rob Navias everywhere after the tower is cleared until the nets decide to cut away. He is NASA's A-man as far as I'm concerned. B: I wouldn't be surprised if the final minute goes something like this: 33...32...31...30...29...31 (and Holding), especially if things are going suspiciously smoothly to that point. If they light those oversize roman candles on time it will be a pleasant surprise. Most people could care less about the shuttle going up unless something Challenger-esque happens upon launch. As for who anchors, who really cares, if and when the '79 Space Pinto gets shot into space it will most likely be the main people (with one of Jennings revolving subs thrown into the mix), unless for some reason they happen not to be around. Most stations would probably not want to disrupt high value syndicated programmes like Oprah or the afternoon soaps for something only a few space heads really care about. All Jane and Joe Six Pack care about is if the thing has an inflight accident so they can say "It blowed up real good!" Roger, go with throttle up!> and NBC, > which doesn't feed network programming between 3 and 4 P.M. > EDT) Um.. Actually.. They do... That would be the 2-3pm CT feed of Passions (which is the one we take at the station I work at) > I would suspect that being the first launch since the > Columbia crash, the launch will not just be seen on CNN, Fox > News Channel and MSNBC, but the "big there" broadcast > networks as well. Yeah, getting footage for their nightly network news.

> And with the recent shake-up in network news anchors, it > gets interesting. What shake-up? Joseph, with all due respect, you really don't know how network television operates. While this date is set, plus given the sensitivity to make sure everything little thing is operable, NASA will not take any chances and won't hesistate to delay the launch for the littlest thing. You are getting waaaayyy X-Files-ish on this, Joseph. The networks have their established anchors already. You really need to stop assuming so much and putting so much thinking into what is pretty much nothing. Even network executives don't even put a fraction of thinking into that. If something major happens or is scheduled to happen, THEY ALREADY KNOW who will be anchoring it. Period!!! Local newscasts at 9:00 PM We all know that Chicago's WGN Channel 9 airs its "late" newscast at 9:00 PM local time. So I was wondering, do any of your local stations have a 9 PM newscast? The earliest "late" news I know of is at 10 PM. It's common on Fox stations in the Central and Mountain time zones, where prime time starts at 7 PM. There might be a few UPN, WB, or independent stations as well that are running news at 9. It's probably not too common in the Eastern and Pacific time zones. Phoenix has Fox O&O KSAZ/10 (1 hour) and indie KTVK/3 (30 min) with 9 PM news. Both stations also run news at 10 PM. Even more rare is an 8 PM newscast. KTVK also has one of those. IIRC, KCAL/9 in LA used to have a lot of odd-hour newscasts before being bought by Viacom. Do they still? That's because Chicago's on Central Time. A 9pm newscast in the Central Time Zone (and I think Mountain too) is equivalent to a 10pm newscast in the Eastern and Pacific zones (the whole 8/7 central thing). So 9pm newscasts are really not that uncommon in the Mid-West, I should imagine. WGN's rival, WFLD "Fox Chicago", also has a 9pm newscast. Sinclair's WB18 in Milwaukee has its NewsCentral newscast at 9pm too. Outside the Central and Mountain time zones, the number of stations doing 9pm newscasts are considerably less, as you already know. The ones off the top of my head are KRON in San Francisco and KCAL in LA; both are independent stations. (KCAL even has an 8pm newscast). Fox 29 (KABB) in San Antonio has a 9pm hour-long newscast. KCAL/9 still has three hours of local news from 8-11pm (including a 15 minute sports block at 10:45) -- EVERY night, including weekends. They've got weekday news at Noon (hour), 2pm (hour), 3pm (half-hour) and are adding a 4pm cast this fall. All this in addition to the newscasts (on the same set with different electronic backgrounds) for KCBS/2: 5am (two hrs), 11am (half); 5pm (hour), 6pm (half hour) and 11pm. Talk about a newscast at an odd time though: KCOP/13 Los Angeles, a Fox-owned UPN affiliate, has its late news at 11pm -- up against "The Big Three." It's primarily aimed at a younger audience, and has most of co-owned KTTV/11's newsbabes running amuck on it.

We produce a 9pm newscast for the WB station here in town. The 9p news in the Central timezone is equal to the 10p news in the Eastern timezone. Just so you know, KCBS and KCAL have separate sets (I think they are in the same studio, though). Sorry, but that statement was bothering me for some odd reason... I'd imagine that when KCBS/KCAL leave Columbia Square in 2007, the two stations will have separate studios and separate control rooms, so theoretically they could both broadcast different live programming at the same time. The weekend newscasts on KCAL used to be limited to an hour at 9:00pm, but were expanded this year to span from 8:00pm to 11:00pm. Are Glen Walker and Leyna Nguyen anchoring all three hours, or did they bring on another team to give them a break? NECN or New England Cable News (with studios in Newton, MA), has a 9 PM newscast (weeknights) but I don't know if that counts since it's cable and not broadcast. As has been pointed out, it is very common for non-big three stations in the Central Time Zone to have their news at 9:00. Since network programming airs one hour earlier in that zone, a 9:00 newscast is up against the same shows as a 10:00 newscast would be in Eastern/Pacific. Since the Mountain Time Zone tends to follow the Central times, 9:00 newscasts aren't all that uncommon there either. I would suggest that if you never heard of all these newscasts earlier than 9:00, you were lacking in the above knowledge. My guess is that you have lived your entire life in either the Eastern or Pacific Time Zone? I believe KTTV had an 8 PM newscast for awhile in the 80s, around the time the Fox network was launched. Not only are 8 PM newscasts rare, but 7 PM newscasts on stations with no 6 PM news as well. WNYW New York had Fox News at Seven for a few years, anchored by Jack Cafferty. Seems to me WPIX's Action News aired at 7:30 for many years as well. Note that some stations have 7 PM news that also have 6 PM news, such as WKYC Cleveland and WXYZ Detroit. It is a time zone thing. Central time zone's 9PM = Eastern time zone's 10PM. Slightly off-topic, but not completely unrelated to the original post... In terms of oddly-timed newscasts, I recall CBS affiliate WDJT-TV (Channel 58) having a 6:30 p.m. newscast (CST) in Milwaukee when they began their news operation in 1996. This is a time when affiliates generally have syndicated stuff like "Wheel of Fortune" and "Entertainment Tonight" to lead into prime time. WDJT moved the ambitious newscast to 6 eventually and then halted it all together. (The 5 and 10 p.m. newscasts, in addition to the later-implemented morning news, continue to this day.) Unless Fybush had bad info, or something changed since he visited them, they're on the same set. The KCAL/KCBS set is about a quarter of the way down the page. I also highly doubt that they'd spend the money on seperate studios for each of the stations. Case in point, in Chicago, NBC runs live news for both WMAQ and WSNS from the same studio @ 10pm. In other words, no need for seperate studios. Didn't the 6:30 move to WMLW for a bit as a rebroadcast of the CBS 58 News @ 5? > > Just so you know, KCBS and KCAL have separate sets (I > think > > they are in the same studio, though). Sorry, but that > > statement was bothering me for some odd reason... I'd

> > imagine that when KCBS/KCAL leave Columbia Square in 2007, > > > the two stations will have separate studios and separate > > control rooms, so theoretically they could both broadcast > > different live programming at the same time. > > Unless Fybush had bad info, or something changed since he > visited them, they're on the same set. The KCAL/KCBS set is > about a quarter of the way down the page. > They do indeed have seperate sets pieces (backgrounds and desks) for each station branded with that station's logo, though they are housed in the same studio (much like your mention of WMAQ/WSNS below. When KCAL moved into Columbia Square, KCBS auctioned their old set on EBAY (it eventually went to WISE-33-Fort Wayne, Indiana), tore out the studio (the broadcast from the newsroom for several weeks) and had the two new sets installed. From an archive copy of http://www.newsblues.com dated 1/21/2003: MERGED El Lay's KCAL-9 and KCBS-2 completed the merger of their news operations Monday by unveiling their new sets in the same studio at the storied Columbia Square on Hollywood's Sunset Boulevard. > I also highly doubt that they'd spend the money on seperate > studios for each of the stations. Case in point, in > Chicago, NBC runs live news for both WMAQ and WSNS from the > same studio @ 10pm. In other words, no need for seperate > studios. Yes, I have lived my entire life on the east coast. My question is mainly focusing on the three major networks - ABC, NBC, and CBS. It just seems more common for there to be 11 PM newscasts, which would translate to 10 PM newscasts in CST, since this is when primetime programming would end. The primetime shows would be cut off if stations aired a 9 o'clock newscast. I didn't think there were that many 10 PM EST newscasts, which is why I thought there wouldn't be too many 9 PM CST newscasts, either. I always thought 11:00 news has been the standard. Don't forget, too, that WSMV/4 and WTVF/5 Nashville, and KTRK/13 Houston, do an hour of local news 6-7 (Central). WIS in Columbia, SC has newscasts at 5, 6 *and* 7pm. In fact, I think they launched their 7pm newscast before the other two, and for many years was the only station (or one of the few) on the East Coast to have a 7pm newscast. Traditionally, it is THE number-one program in Columbia. However, it does have competition now; CBS affiliate WLTX/19 also does a 7 PM newscast (ABC affiliate WOLO/25 shows Wheel Of Fortune). In Charleston, ABC affiliate WCIV/4 has a 7 PM local news as well; for many years, however, WCSC/5 (CBS) did its local news at 6:30 and showed CBS News at 7. Two NBC stations that come to mind: WXIA/11 Atlanta and

WAVE/3 Louisville. However, I think we went through all this a few months ago, so I won't belabor the subject. That's because all three of those networks have always broadcast three hours of primtime network programming dating back to the 60s (maybe the 50s?). When FOX signed on, they only broadcast two hours of primetime network programming over their stations, leaving the 10:00/9:00 hour to the affiliates. Some, KTTV, WNYW, KTVU, et al already had established news programming in the 10:00/9:00 hour so there was no disruption when they signed on with (or were bought by) Fox. Most other stations simply filled the hour with off-network repeats (some still do to this day). I believe FOX put out a notice to its affiliates in the mid-90s that it wanted them to begin producing newscasts. It was during this period that a lot of newscasts began to pop-up (either as independent ventures or produced by an affiliate of one of the big 3. Nashville's WZTV-17 newscast was originally produced by WKRN-2-ABC) The only station that I know of that produces a 10:00 (pacific) newscast and is affiliated with one of the big 3 is KOVR-13-Sacramento, CA. But they run primetime from 7:00 - 10:00pm instead of 8:00 - 11:00 (pst). Pre-1986, didn't WOR-TV and WPIX also have 10PM newscasts? I don't have any NYC TV Guides from then to check. I know of some.... WFLD (Fox) Chicago (Where I am from) KPLR (WB11) St. Louis KSAS (Fox) Wichita, Kansas (I live here now) WDAF (Fox) Kansas City (Does a 9 and 10, with a sitcom at 9:30) KWGN (WB2) Denver I grew up in Chicago, and back as far as I remembered, WGN used to have a 10:00 newscast with (help me out, hometowners) John Drury, Marty McNeeley and the like. They were going up against the big three in the '70's. It wasn't until I believe 1979?!? when the powers that be moved it up to 9 with local news for a half hour and the INN (Independent Network News) around 9:30. Then they decided to go local for a full hour in the early to mid-80's. They have been doing the newscasts for a long time as an Indy, and now as a WB affiliate. Also, when they were an Indy, they used to have a late night newscast called "Night Beat". It was on around 12:30 in the morning or after the 10:30 movie. Damn, I'm old!!!!LOL. I know WOR-TV (pre WWOR-TV) used to have the Independent Network News (Thanks to RunD.M.C.'s "You Talk Too Much" the lyrics were "You're like the Independent Network News on Channel 9"). I saw it on cable while at my cousins house in Memphis. Regardless of what Run-DMC wrote in their lyrics, INN was not on WOR-TV. It aired on -- and, in fact, originated at -- WPIX. Maybe they referred to Chicago's WGN ch.9 (WPIX's sister station), which showed INN. KLRT (Fox) in Little Rock has done a 9pm newscast since March 2004. Prior to that , the former WB affliate KKYK-LP did one about 1997 or so before quitting. At the time of the lanch of the then WB22 newscast there wasn't even coverage on the local cable so the audience non-existant (plus WGN was still relaying WB network nationally at the time).In 1975, WGN-TV had news at (I hope this is right - I'm getting old as well :-D ): 4:45 with Jack Taylor & Harry Volkman. This one was gone by '77, IIRC. They ran 15 minutes of

Rocky & Bullwinkle at 4:30 and I think Garfield Goose was at 5. 9:30 with Jack Taylor, Harry Volkman, Len O'Connor, & Jack Brickhouse or Lou Boudreau. John Drury came later, between his stints at WLS-TV. Until he retired in '76, "Ringmaster Ned" Locke occasionally substituted for Volkman. 12 Midnight with Marty McNeely. This was Nightbeat and followed the 10:00 movie. I don't think they had a noon newscast yet, but since I was working for a living during that hour, I don't know for sure. In the South Bend Indiana market, WSJV was an ABC affiliate from the time it signed on (don't know when since the site doesn't have a timeline), but when ABC's ratings started sinking bigtime, WSJV decided to become a Fox affiliate in September 1996. They had news when they were ABC and it aired at 10pm during the summer and 11pm in the winter. Remember Eastern Time zone of Indiana currently doesn't observe Daylight Saving Time until next year. When they switched to being a Fox station, they started their news at 9pm in the summer & 10pm in the winter. They have to do it that way because Michigan observes daylight saving time and since most of the South Bend market is on eastern time zone, during the summer months, the news and network programming must be pushed back an hour in Indiana in order to be insync (if that's spelled correctly) with the viewers in the eastern time zone. That'll change next April when the rest of the state switches to daylight saving time and South Bend stations won't have to go through the hassle of pushing news and network programming an hour in Indiana just so the programming will stay on the same time in SW Michigan.