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November 29, 2012
Page 1 NEILL-WYCIK CO-OPERATIVE COLLEGE GENERAL MEMBERS' MEETING -------------------------------- - This is the GENERAL MEMBERS' MEETING
conducted in the Cafeteria of Neill-Wycik Co-operative College, 96 Gerrard Street East, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 1G7, on Thursday, the 29th day of November, 2012, commencing at 7:07 p.m. and concluding at 10:36 p.m.. -------------------------------A P P P E A R A N C E S BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Kevin Bailey - Chair Peter D. Allen - General Manager Melissa Wilkes - Finance & Administration Manager Lisa Gillanders - Recording Secretary Brandon Arkinson Trevor Lachapelle Charlie Osborne Adam Pells ALSO PRESENT: Robert Turnpenny - Introtel Communications, Inc. Jon Nistor - TorIX (The Toronto Internet Exchange) Dave Burtnik - Allstream Michael Brunet - consultant with Mr. Burtnik MEETING FACILITATORS ON BEHALF OF WEILL-WYCIK GENERAL MEMBERS: Eugene Lovelock - Member Paul Tirimacco - Neill-Wycik Management Staff Security Supervisor Rodney
REPORTED BY:
Bonnie Lynn van der Meer, CSR
NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755
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---Upon commencing at 7:07 p.m. SPEAKER: about to start. Okay. It seems like we are
I just wanted to make one more
announcement and I'm going to turn it over to whoever is going to chair this. We've got a lot of people in here, so over that way is a fire exit. where you came in. The other one is the
If there's a fire alarm, go to
the nearest exit; either this way, you will go out to the garage or that way, out to the front or the alley, okay. Security will direct you, so just The only reason I say
follow their directions.
that is because there are so many people in here right now, so thanks for coming out. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Good evening, everybody. Good evening -My name is Kevin.
I'm going to be chairing the meeting tonight. So I think we have quorum. Yeah.
I don't know. stand or sit on the floor? SPEAKER:
Does everybody want to
Sit on the floor. I don't know how
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: we are going to do this.
I want to sit in this
chair, but if I do, then nobody is going to see me.
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SPEAKER:
Fine. You're fine?
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
So since we have quorum, we will call the meeting to order. proceed on this. So the information that was requested for to call this meeting is right here, for anyone to come up and take a look at it. What we'll do is I really don't know how to
we'll put it on the desk there and we'll take it down and people can come, take a look at it. So this is the contract with Introtel that was requested. lawyers, to be true. SPEAKER: It's all been certified by the Meeting adjourned. No. I'm just kidding. All righty. Okay.
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Somebody got that.
So who wants to talk? Go ahead, Mr. Swick.
Mr. Swick had his hand up.
MR. CORY SWICK:
Is there any chance
that people who want to have a personal copy of that information could get a personal photocopy if they put their name and unit number-CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MR. CORY SWICK: You know what?
--now or in the
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future, like near future? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: about that, Cory. MR. CORY SWICK: Or post it? Yeah. What we're We kind of talked
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
going to do is we are going to put it here for everybody to take a look at here, and anybody that wants to go and see it after, because obviously there's a lot of people here tonight, so anybody who wants see this contract can go up and see Peter, and is free to go and make an appointment to go see Peter. It's a contract. We don't usually hand It's a whole
out contracts, you know what I mean? thing about business. MR. CORY SWICK: too.
And to save paper,
But if someone wants to go up on an
individual basis, could they get a photocopy of -CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: would hand out photocopies. I don't know if we
Basically, we would
allow anybody to view it because essentially, Cory, it's... You know, it's a contract and we don't But we don't have a problem
really hand them out.
with anybody taking a look, if ----(Interruption caused by security
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guard's radio.) CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: stay still? Eugene, can you
I'm kind of bouncing back and forth. So, yeah. Anybody can come and view
it, look at it and stuff like that instead, Cory. MR. CORY SWICK: come and look at it, then -CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MR. CORY SWICK: information is free to us. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MR. CORY SWICK: Yeah. Yeah. So if we're able to
-- then the
It's understandable if So can
there's a paper restriction in the office.
members then, one by one, give their member card, sign it out for five minutes, ten minutes, and photocopy it? Do you know? (Laugher) If it's free
information, we should maybe have a copy. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Sorry. Cory, I In terms
guess, like, the question is kind of...
of photocopying, there's obviously some kind of, like, privacy issue or confidentiality issue, right. So I think, like -MR. CORY SWICK: available to us now? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Yeah. You're Is this information
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welcome to have it for as long as you want.
You
can, you know, take it and read it and, and, you know, take your time in the office, no problem. Like, stay there for a day, if you want, right. SPEAKER: But -I don't know It's
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: if...
It's not that it's free information.
that there's a confidential contract between our building and another party, right, so -SPEAKER: But we're free to read it? Of course,
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: exactly.
Free to read it any time. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Anybody can read
it.
You can come up and read it right now; you can
go and see the office tomorrow. What about this gentleman over here? Okay. Travis. Hold on, guys. Let Travis speak. I move to allow
MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR:
members to have photocopies of the contract at their discretion. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: I second it. Second that. So we have a
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
motion to allow members to have a copy of the contract if they want. We have a seconder. Any
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further discussion on that? ---(No verbal response.) CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: All in favour of
allowing members to have photocopies of the contract; all against allowing members to have photocopies of the contract. ---MOTION PASSES. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: back. SPEAKER: Thank you, by the way. Gentleman at the The motion passes.
Can we have the general manager at the front to ask him questions? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: to have all kinds of questions. Yes. We're going
We've got all We've got
kinds of important people here tonight. a representative from Allstream. representative from Introtel. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: meeting? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: SPEAKER: TorIX.
We've got a
We've got the...
Where's the people who-TorIX. --actually called the
What about the people who Where are they? Who are the -- we
actually called the meeting?
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
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have a question.
Ask your question. Sorry, man. Where are the
SPEAKER:
folks that called the meeting and went to all this trouble to do it? How come they're not up there,
first of all, explaining to us what we're here for? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Come on up and
speak and tell us what you want to say. MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR: Hi, everybody. The
members who called the meeting are everybody who signed the petition. for. That's what the petition was
So there's no individual who decided to call There was a few members who
the meeting tonight.
decided to come forward with this petition, so you're here tonight because the members decided to bring you here tonight to talk and discuss about this, this Internet situation. SPEAKER: Okay. If you want to explain So we
to us, someone from that side, you know. have the Board here.
Now I want somebody who
organized the whole thing to go up there and say what it is that they're trying to, the idea they're trying to get across to everybody here. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Tirimacco. (Applause) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: All right. I Paul? Mr. Paul
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really want to thank everyone that's come tonight. It means a heck of a lot to me and it actually means a heck of a lot to you guys. Those of you that signed the petition know why the petition was signed, why we drafted the petition. And what we're going to, what we're
going to demonstrate here tonight is that the Internet solution that was provided to the building did not meet the requirements of the membership as they were promised to the membership at the Annual General Meeting. For those members that are new to Neill-Wycik this year, Neill-Wycik holds an Annual General Meeting, so once a year, and we present a summary of the numbers and books, we present a whole bunch of different, you know..., mostly the books, and then we go over things like what cost increases are coming up. Last year, I approached the Board and I asked them if we could pursue this project, Wi-Fi on every floor throughout the whole building. And
what ended up happening is, I brought them three proposals. And one of those proposals was selected Louder?
by the Board.
One of the, one of the proposals out of
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the three was selected by the Board.
And
unfortunately, that proposal -- well, I presented the details of that proposal to the membership in March of 2012, and then we did not receive what that proposal entailed. SPEAKER: Point of information. What
did that proposal entail? MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: For sure. The And
proposal was from a company called Allstream.
for those of you that don't know, Allstream is a large business-class carrier in Canada and the U.S.. They were going to bring fibre to our door,
fibre to the building. For those of you that... Fibre, it's a
little technical, but it is the way the Internet... It's at the backbone of the Internet. This is how
all the major data centres connect to one another. And any serious Fortune 500 company, you know, has their connection to the Internet over fibre. has a tidal wave of information coming. It is
You know,
if you have a pipe, if you have an analogy with the pipe, right - people who've seen the video would have seen this - what ends up happening is, you can only trickle so much through a pipe. And the fibre
to the Internet, to the backbone, is like a tidal
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wave.
Nonetheless, that was one thing. A promise on the speed of 300 Megabits
per second as well as toll-free technical support; something that many members told me before and after the fact that they voted based on that information alone, that they wanted toll-free tech support. No bandwidth cap on the Internet use, so,
you know, you could use it as much as you want. And... Yeah. We did not receive that
and we are going to ask why we did not receive that tonight. And I know a number of you who are here are experiencing problems with the, with the Internet, so, you know, perhaps we could get a speakers' list and we can, you know, get a few of those, those issues out in the open, now that we've got everyone here who made those decisions. Clay? CLAY: Is it possible tonight to vote Is that Yes
for a different Internet solution? something that's on the table? MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
Well, if the
membership wants, the membership can certainly... I think we will hear from all parties and perhaps that's what we will do. I do have --
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SPEAKER:
Eugene, can I just...? Yeah.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: Okay? Yeah?
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER:
Share.
Share that -Yeah. That's kind
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: of difficult, Clay.
When you call a General
Members' Meeting, essentially what you -- the part that has been called for -SPEAKER: Can you repeat his question? Clay, can you
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
repeat your question, so that everybody can hear it? SPEAKER: Could you repeat it into the
SPEAKER: microphone, so...
No.
You've got the
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: asked, can we vote for a...? CLAY: Internet solution? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Internet solution-SPEAKER:
Oh.
Clay has
Can we vote for a separate
...a separate
Or a faster ---or a separate --
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
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SPEAKER:
Tonight. ...tonight?
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
So what happens is, with the General Members' Meeting, this meeting has been called for, as you can -- I don't know if it's written up on there. It's basically, someone, they called it
for, to receive the documents that they have asked for. So by doing something like this, going for a change in -- asking to vote on a new Internet solution, you haven't asked the rest of the building. building. You haven't informed the rest of the It's not -- you can't just change the We are speaking
agenda for the meeting. specifically to -SPEAKER:
Go ahead. Go ahead.
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: SPEAKER:
We've got, we've got quorum
SPEAKER: if we have quorum.
We can pass whatever we want
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
No, you can't.
You've called -- it's like at the, it's like at the Annual General Meeting. You have an agenda and you
don't put on things that you didn't ask to be
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talked about. SPEAKER: on the agenda? Can we motion to put things
(Laughter) No. You have not
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: called this meeting properly -SPEAKER:
Yes, we can. You haven't called
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
this meeting properly to address those issues -SPEAKER: properly. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Melissa in the room? MS. MELISSA WILKES: CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MS. MELISSA WILKES: CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: your wealth of experience? MS. MELISSA WILKES: The purpose of the If Yeah. Melissa? Yeah? Could you give us Can I get -- is We have called the meeting
meeting needs to be stated on the requisition.
it's not stated on the requisition, that means that the members who may choose to be here for another purpose weren't given that option. requirement for calling a meeting. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: It's essentially, It's a legal
we can call the meeting again, if you want to talk
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about that specific thing.
But to do it tonight,
when you've called a meeting for something specific, there's... we have here tonight. I don't know how many people I don't know. 100, 150.
Well, there's another 650 people in the building that aren't here tonight. You haven't
essentially told them that that's what you were wanting to talk about tonight. That's what Melissa is saying. It's a
legal requirement why, just to call a meeting for one specific thing and then change the meeting, it's against proper form. SPEAKER: That's not changing it.
That's just adding new business. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Can you imagine,
at the AGM, if they put on, like, an entire second budget as new business? It's not, it's not right. I've got some
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: hands, so... Cory? MR. CORY SWICK: persons to-CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MR. CORY SWICK:
I was one of the first
Go ahead.
--put my hand up.
When, then, is the first date at which we could hold another General Members' Meeting?
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CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: General Members' -- yeah. General Managers' Meeting. MR. CORY SWICK: No.
Anybody can call a
Anybody can call a
My question is,
when is the soonest date that that meeting could be -SPEAKER: It would be some time in
THE COURT REPORTER: MR. CORY SWICK:
Can't quite hear.
And considering the
fact that we are now going into winter exams, winter holidays, so even if the soonest day is hypothetically nine days, it would be inappropriate. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Yeah. You have to
give a certain amount of time of notice. MR. CORY SWICK: Right. And then you have
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
to give the notice to the..., so it would be some time in January, I imagine. some time around there. MR. CORY SWICK: Thank you, sir. All right. The Go Beginning of January;
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
girl that was jumping up and down beside you. ahead.
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SPEAKER:
Okay.
So in my knowledge, I
feel that all of us here tonight have some similar feelings towards calling a vote, to vote for a separate Internet. So would it be appropriate to vote on that now and give other members that are here tonight the option to, to go against what we voted on and state their case at a later date in some formal manner because, obviously, a large population of the building is here and has, has Internet issues. And they all... Well, in my
knowledge - obviously, we would take a vote - but they all would like some sort of a solution to their problem. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: The answer would
I know I'm being the mean person here, but
essentially to do something like that, you're going against the proper procedures for conducting these meetings. If you do something like that, this whole meeting could basically be called null and void because you haven't called it properly to inform the rest of the people to come here. And to -SPEAKER: But I thought you didn't need
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the entire building to be here. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
I thought -No, you don't.
You only need, you only need 10 per cent. SPEAKER: ...a percentage. Well, don't
we have that percentage? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Again, what I've
explained is that you had to tell the rest of the building what was going to be voted on and discussed. Like I say, if you wanted to vote on
bidding for another contract -- sorry? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: given out before the AGM, right. SPEAKER: So who's, who's -That's, they're The agenda is
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE:
available at the front desk for a month until the AGM. SPEAKER: Well, what constitutes giving
information to everyone -SPEAKER: give the-SPEAKER: entire building. SPEAKER: --information. No. Okay. Like I They put up posters in the And whose job is it to give,
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
say, like I say, just to clarify, what these
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gentlemen did or the people that signed the agreement or the -SPEAKER: Petition. -- the petition to
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
call a meeting was, they did everything right. They -- I don't know. around here? MR. PETER ALLEN: Yes. Essentially, what That's what Do we have that petition
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
it states is what they're asking for.
we put out and what is put out to the whole building. That's what was required; that if they
got quorum - that's why I joked at the beginning, you know what I mean; 'Quorum met, here's copies of the contract, what was required, meeting adjourned.' We are not going to stop there, but that's essentially the end of the meeting. we're going to have a lot of discussion here tonight. We've got representatives from both We've got Peter here. We've got Yes,
companies here.
all kinds of questions. What you're asking me, and I -- you know, go ahead, but all I can say is, I'll just have to walk away from it and you can vote that,
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but you're dealing with contracts here, guys, that are in the $300,000 range. To just call -- to say you want to get rid of it without telling the rest of the-SPEAKER: A point of information. --building here
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: is, is irresponsible. SPEAKER: Go ahead.
A point of information.
When
did the Board see this contract? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: this contract back in -MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: SPEAKER: July. We were discussing
When did the Board see the
contract that you just gave us? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: here? MR. PETER ALLEN: In March. I think it was This contract
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: July,-MR. PETER ALLEN:
July. --just off the
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: top of my head. I'm not sure.
MR. PETER ALLEN:
I'm not sure. June, July.
MS. MELISSA WILKES: SPEAKER:
When was it signed?
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CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
When was it
MR. PETER ALLEN:
Oh.
It's got the
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
There's a date on
---(Discussion off the record.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So it It
It was actually June.
was June 7th. SPEAKER: Why did the Board see the Isn't the Board
contract after it was signed? responsible for --
So maybe you will
remember, I said, 'Off the top of my head, I think it was in July.' but... Yeah. SPEAKER: Board minutes? MR. PETER ALLEN: Yeah. There's a Do you have that in your So it actually was in June,
motion to approve going ahead which would have had that attached to it, yeah. well. SPEAKER: Okay. Can you find that date I've got that here, as
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CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
Gentleman at the
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Yeah.
Yes, sure. Could we get the mic
to the general manager -- could we get the mic to the general manager, so that he could explain. SPEAKER: He wants to know why you
didn't go with the original proposal. SPEAKER: Yeah. Oh. You wanted to
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: see why that -SPEAKER:
And he wants the general
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: MR. PETER ALLEN: question at a time?
Sure.
So, can I answer one
So the motion was on May the 30th. SPEAKER: Can you speak up? Yes.
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Stand.
MR. PETER ALLEN: The reason -- sorry. Sorry. SPEAKER: Yeah.
Hi.
Sorry about
Do you want a
question?
Well, first of all, I
mean, if this is a self-run co-op and, I mean, it's
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an apartment building, it's not a meeting between the States and Iraq about weapons. It's an apartment building. MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Yeah. (Laughter)
If the members at an AGM have
voted for a very, very significant change for in a new Internet system to be put in, and for there to be any sort of controversy for change theretoward, considering again it's a self-run co-op apartment building by the people who live here, why did the Board secretly deal with the changing of this company among themselves? Why did they not, of
their own accord, if they're faithful to us, promote a General Members' Meeting like we have done today? (Applause) MR. PETER ALLEN: I agree. I mean, in hindsight,
We could have had another meeting. SPEAKER: And met -- with self-respect,
I mean, we could have met with the Board-MR. PETER ALLEN: you. Yeah. SPEAKER: But at the-MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Yeah. --to, you know, in trust. Yeah. No, I'm with
--same time, when there's a
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big issue like this, I mean -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: What was your reasoning --- supposed to be self-run.
Why, why don't we hear more people approaching us saying, 'What do you want?' MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Yeah. Right. So...
How can you approve
something that was presented to you from everyone, that was agreed upon by everyone, and that was what was, that was the agreement, and then you did something else? MR. PETER ALLEN: meeting -SPEAKER: How can you do that, like,-Okay. In the annual general
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER:
--legally or whatever, right? In the annual general
MR. PETER ALLEN:
meeting, it doesn't reference a company, at all. It just says to proceed with an Internet solution. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: certain things. MR. PETER ALLEN: I'm... Like -MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: going to get into, right. That's what we're Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it did promise
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Yeah.
So... (Laughter)
So get into it.
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: for a second. Just --
Stop the questions
MR. PETER ALLEN:
Okay.
So part of the
discussion - it included Paul and everybody else was the question of whether we could do this in budget and whether it would work in the building. And one of the issues that came up and one of the Board Members works in IT and had a real concern, and we also called in an outside consultant, that the number of APs that were being recommended by Allstream would be insufficient to provision the building. And so there were no other alternatives, except to try to see if there was an alternative, which was Introtel. And Introtel had
been trying to get everything together. We've had a lot of issues with the structure of the building which nobody anticipated, including -- I mean, I'm not speaking for Allstream, but I think they would agree that there were issues with signal strength throughout the building. SPEAKER: Point of information. How
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many installations has Introtel done before this building? MR. PETER ALLEN: gentleman sitting next to me. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: 2-, 300. Well, actually, the
I highly doubt that. Who said that?
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Who said that? talking about. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Sure.
You have no idea what you're
Well, then why were there so
many problems for three months after it was installed? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: right. Okay. All We have
So let's talk about two things. Actually, we have one.
two issues here.
SPEAKER:
Take the microphone. What's your name? Rob Turnpenny. Pardon? Rob
THE COURT REPORTER: MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: THE COURT REPORTER: MR. PETER ALLEN: Turnpenny. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY:
Turnpenny.
Turnpenny.
We have two issues, and one's really not an issue. The one you're all talking about is
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not the issue.
Internet is not the issue.
I have the graphs today -- (Laughter) SPEAKER: Oh. And you laugh
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: because you don't understand. SPEAKER:
We understand -No, you don't
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: understand. problem. SPEAKER: applause) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY:
It's not the Internet that's the
What Internet?
(Laughter,
You know, guys,
you stand up and you say you want something solved. There's a methodology to do it. Now, you can make
noise or you can listen, so I can explain to you what the issue is and what we are doing. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Okay. Woo. Okay. So we've
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: got two issues, two concerns.
You have Internet. It happens
The Internet comes into the building.
to come in wirelessly or fibre; it doesn't make any difference. SPEAKER: Yes, it -I've been--
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY:
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SPEAKER:
Point of information. --in this
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: business 35 years. SPEAKER: of information. SPEAKER:
Point of information, point
Does the Internet come in
wirelessly or via fibre? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: Thank you. We've been doing Via wireless.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: both for years.
Our own business is served by a
TeraGo wireless Internet connection. The problem that we have is access We have graphs - and you can see them, we
can send them out - of what the usage here is on the Internet. There is 200 Megabits of bandwidth Right now, the maximum that is We've got 40
that you can use.
being used is about 160 to 170.
Megabits free that is not being used. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Because we can't connect. Yeah. (Laughter) There you go.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: That's the problem. Okay.
So the problem is an
access point issue, not an Internet issue. SPEAKER: Well, when we can connect,
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often it's slow.
Very, very slow. Well, not now,
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: it's not. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes, it is. Yes.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Okay. So that's
interesting because the band--, you're not using the bandwidth. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: We can't connect to use it. We can't connect.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: No. No, no, no.
What I'm saying to you is, either
the data that's being generated that shows the usage on the pipe is not accurate, okay, or there's something else. But I can tell you right now, the biggest issue here is access points. We've
recognized it and we are in the process of solving it. It can't be done overnight. SPEAKER: How is it going to be done? Well, the first
things we're going to do to is change -- take two floors, change the access points to a different
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type of access point.
As soon as I get those We will determine If
access points, they will go in.
what the issue -- whether it solves the issue. that's not the issue, we'll add access points. SPEAKER: How do those access points
differ from the ones that are installed now? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: bits-and-bytes guy. SPEAKER: In general terms? I'm a I'm not a
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: big-picture guy. SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
In general terms? Why wouldn't --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Okay. It's
greater -- it's a multidirectional-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: for so long. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Shh. --access point. Why are you -35 years. He's been doing it
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Yes? Go ahead.
SPEAKER: why are you.
-- 35 years of doing this,
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Well, first of
SPEAKER:
-- these problems? --Wi-Fi IP,
Wi-Fi IP hasn't been around for 35 years. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: In 300 cases of doing it. You said you'd been doing
this for 35 years and you were talking down to all of us. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I'm not talking
SPEAKER:
Not now, but when you
started, you were very condescending. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: talking down. No, I'm not
I'm trying to get somebody to listen
to understand what we're doing to fix it. SPEAKER: So --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Wasn't the last meeting
called to solve that problem? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Okay. Number 1,
first of all, I wasn't the guy that was involved in the design of this, all right. We can do a whole bunch of things. can focus on solving this or we can go back and I
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forth as to what the issue is.
I can tell you, I'm
no happier than you are that this is an issue. SPEAKER: And you're not paying. Excuse me. This
is going to cost me a lot of money to fix it and I will be solving it. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: It costs -It's your fault. It costs us, too. It's a two-way street. We're broke. So what happens --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: You're right. I accept that. I accept that.
I'm going to solve
it and I'm going to spend the money that's required to make this work. else. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: not had any Internet? So what about-Can I -- sorry. Just -I can't, I can't do anything
--the months we've already Like, I can't do any of my
schoolwork, I can't talk to my friends or family over the Internet, and I'm paying for it and I have not had any Internet for months. So that's
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stealing, then, if you're... SPEAKER: SPEAKER: don't get. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yeah. How do I get my money? That's my question. Do we get that money back? I'm paying for a service I
---(Multiple speakers interject; applause.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: That's my question. Woo. (Laughter; applause.) I think that
MR. PETER ALLEN:
according to the survey that they did two or three weeks ago, there are, I think he said 70 rooms that don't get it. SPEAKER: number of -SPEAKER: I don't get it in my room and There are a lot. There are a
haven't the whole time. MR. PETER ALLEN: okay. I'm asking a question. SPEAKER: Okay. Just letting you know. The rooms that have Yeah. No. That's
MR. PETER ALLEN:
been isolated, that they don't get a signal at the moment, we can probably do some sort of a rebate on
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that.
That's not a big deal.
So, but like --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PETER ALLEN: I don't have a list. Yeah. But I mean --
This gentleman has a list of
them, so that can be done. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Fix our nets. Someone write that down. So I have a quick
MR. JON NISTOR: question for people. hands.
Just more of a raise of
How many people here have cell phones? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: How many people have what? What? Cell phones. How many
MR. JON NISTOR:
people have cell phones with Wi-Fi capability? SPEAKER: Oh.
---(Multiple speakers interject; hands raised.) MR. JON NISTOR: tablets? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Guys. What? Anybody with a tablet? Okay. How about
MR. JON NISTOR:
---(Hands raised.) SPEAKER: Not with Wi-Fi capability. Okay. Barely any.
MR. JON NISTOR:
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Laptops? ---(Hands raised.) MR. JON NISTOR: Gaming consoles?
---(Hands raised.) MR. JON NISTOR: to start. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Who are you? Hold on. Okay. So who am I. Okay. Okay. So where
MR. JON NISTOR:
(Laughter) I, I have no affiliation with this building whatsoever. in and-SPEAKER: Who by? --add some I do a lot of work I was asked to sort of come
MR. JON NISTOR: information, type of thing.
with a lot of universities and colleges. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Who are you? Yeah. But who are you? So my name is Jon
MR. JON NISTOR: Nistor. I work for TorIX.
THE COURT REPORTER: MR. JON NISTOR: speaking there?
Sorry.
Your name? Who was
Jon Nistor.
It's spread out.
So I do a lot of work at TorIX, which is The Toronto Internet Exchange for anybody who
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may or may not have heard of that.
But I do a lot
of work with schools, specifically K to 12 and higher eds. There's always an issue with wireless and the issue comes down to how many APs. There
are some installations where I have two APs per, per classroom, just because of the number of people. But the other issue I run into is, in this case, this building is concrete, right. poured concrete. cinderblock. You'd have better luck with It's
Unfortunately, that's not what's You're stuck with poured concrete, That's going to
happening here. metal.
Metal mesh is inside.
cause a problem.
You've got filing cabinets.
Those things are a disaster to wireless; anything to do with paper. SPEAKER: But I don't have a signal
problem, but I do have an Internet problem. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: We've -Yeah. Okay. So that --
MR. JON NISTOR: that's a separate -SPEAKER:
Can I rephrase this?
He said
that we are not getting the full access of
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Internet, of our Internet.
Like -You're not using
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: it, no. SPEAKER: Yeah. Okay.
MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER: apparently. MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER: bars. Okay.
We're not using it,
Right. So I always have five Me accessing it is not
It's not a problem. My room -MR. JON NISTOR:
a problem.
Okay.
First problem.
Five bars doesn't mean shit. SPEAKER: (laughter) Okay. Well, yeah. I know, but --
You said that, like, dead spots
are the issue. MR. JON NISTOR: Dead spots are part of
the issue, but having five bars-SPEAKER: Okay. --doesn't necessarily
MR. JON NISTOR: mean you get your wireless. SPEAKER: through this question. MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER:
Just -- I know.
Let me get
Okay.
If my actual amount of
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available use, like, I say I...
I can use YouTube Is
at one moment and I can't five minutes later. that a problem...?
Just, I don't understand why
that is, like why it -- the delivery issue -MR. JON NISTOR: multitude of problems. So there can be a
I mean, look at your cell You may have five bars
phone, for example, right.
on your cell; you may have three bars, but you're not actually getting phone call through. hear the tower off your device. your laptop. But when your laptop speaks back, it's not outputting the power to get to that AP. Again, You can
Same thing with
you are going to have to get through all these walls and metal piping and everything like that.
In the situation that you're in where maybe it works one minute and maybe another, there are a couple of factors in the way. Who knows?
Somebody could have turned on a - and this is sound a little weird, but a cordless phone that could be bleeding a ridiculous amount of RF, causing interference at that time. There was a condo that I lived in a couple of years ago where we actually had Industry
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Canada show up because somebody had purchased a phone in the U.K., brought it back over here because it was a fancy phone, used it and was actually causing blackouts for emergency services, and that's at the point that Industry Canada gets involved. So there's a lot of bleeding that happens for RF. That's a huge problem.
At the end of the day, this building has an AP number problem, just because of the structure of this building. SPEAKER: So would interference come
from -- like, we have one router hooked to the roof, basically, for our unit, right. MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER: Sorry? Is -Like one...?
Well, there's, like, one hub.
Like, you know, on the roof, they wired into the access points. MR. JON NISTOR: wireless. SPEAKER: Yeah. Right. Oh. Point-to-point
MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER:
On the, on the ceiling, yeah. Right. Yeah.
So would that be, then, there
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is a problem with our spot; that, like, someone just has a phone that supposedly drains my Internet or -MR. JON NISTOR: machinery? Probably not. SPEAKER: Okay. Yeah. Can I ask, can I Into that type of
MR. JON NISTOR:
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: ask a question?
Can we get your room-Matt -Oh. 43. --and we can see
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: 4D. 4D.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: Yeah.
4D?
MR. JON NISTOR:
So just to make this
simple, I'm going to start on this side and work that way because I don't know anybody. lady...? SPEAKER: Oh. I was just wondering, The
are we paying the same amount that we would have paid? Like, are we paying more than the plan
actually costs?
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MR. JON NISTOR: don't deal with cash. SPEAKER:
I have no clue.
Well, can I ask -No. It... You are
MR. PETER ALLEN: paying the same amount, yeah. SPEAKER: Sorry.
I didn't hear the
MS. LISA GILLANDERS:
You're paying the
MR. PETER ALLEN:
The same amount.
There's no difference from what was proposed. SPEAKER: But did the contract cost the
MR. JON NISTOR:
No, no.
The Introtel
contract was more expensive than the Allstream contract, but it's still within our budget that we put together. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: increase if -SPEAKER: Point of increase, point of What? Are we going to have a price
interest, point of interest. MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: No. Sorry.
Let her finish. Sorry. So, no. I
MR. PETER ALLEN:
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mean, there will be no change in the cost to you. The only time that there would be a change in the cost to you is if we had to have way more bandwidth to, to support the members. SPEAKER: Point of interest. Point of interest.
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: MR. PETER ALLEN:
Okay. Just so you know,
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
the general manager claimed, to me, that he had to find an alternative solution because he had to find one that was cheaper-MR. PETER ALLEN: that's -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Allstream solution. MR. PETER ALLEN: I don't believe ---than the I don't think
that has never been cheaper, so I would never have said that. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: As a matter of
fact, those are the words you said to me in your office on March 29th. You said, 'Paul, I have to I asked
find a competitive alternative solution.' you why and you said-SPEAKER: Give him the mic.
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
--'I have to, I
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have to find something is that's cheaper.' SPEAKER: Repeat all that, Paul.
---(Mr. Tirimacco takes the microphone.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: this one more time. SPEAKER: I think the pertinent Let's just go over
question is, if there was fibre, notwithstanding anyone's issues, whatever -- and whatever the problems might be - concrete and metal meshing and all that - the pertinent question, I believe to be - and I want opinions from Allstream, as well; not just this gentleman whom I still don't know who he actually represents. (Laughter) I'm
I'm not trying to be facetious.
just saying that I think the real question is multiple opinions here - does fibre coming to the building, we've heard one side say that would not alleviate the problems. Now I want to hear from Allstream. a fibre, direct fibre line came from outside and came to our building, would that make a difference? And I want -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: SPEAKER: I'll -If
-- professional opinion.
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MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
I will definitely
get that gentleman to address your question, Scott. I just want to make a point of interest known to the membership. SPEAKER: Information. A point of, point
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
of information known to the membership. With the three proposals that were brought forward by myself, they all included fibre and they all included toll-free tech support. So
the general manager's offer, be it cheaper or the same or whatever, does not meet those requirements that a quorum of the membership voted on at the AGM. So, so with all due respect, this amounts to Do you know what a
a bait-and-switch. bait-and-switch is? SPEAKER:
Yes. Yes, okay. So,
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
you know, there are some things that you've got to put into context, right. Why weren't you told? I
think a few of you were blurting this out over here. 'Why weren't we told that they were going to And that's very
change the terms of the deal?'
important for you guys to consider, right. ---(Interruption caused by security
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guard's radio.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: SPEAKER: Yeah. Yes?
I was just wondering,
why is it -- like, I remember watching the video for this; that they checked the numbers three times, the figures three times for it. Why is it
afterwards, that it was recognized to be a problem? SPEAKER: Exactly. Yeah. That's,
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: that is a very good question. SPEAKER: Paul, yeah.
Why would we go
forward with something before knowing what the possible...? If you've been in business for so
long, wouldn't you check the situation out to, to know what the potential issues might be before implementing a $300,000 thing that you said you invested in? (Applause) Why wouldn't you test
something, so you knew what you were dealing with? (Applause) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: -- that's a very great point. point. I don't think this is... You know, And we should also That's a great
it's not disclosed in the contract that, another number here it's looking at.
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Introtel has provided the phone service in your rooms for, it's got to be going on 15 years, right. business. So that's, that's their primary
That's their primary business. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Really, your
point you make is so valid and I can't, I can't, I can't justify, I can't say why it wasn't done. But
at the end of the day, I'm dealing with what I have to deal with and that is to solve it. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: So maybe we should -Point of information. Can we please hear the
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Go ahead. SPEAKER:
One, one person
Point of information. No. This young
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: lady wasn't finished. SPEAKER:
Well, it's okay. Okay.
No. Go ahead.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Go ahead.
Can we hear what the
Allstream representative-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes. --had to offer?
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MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: Ow.
Absolutely.
(Laughter) I'm going to hand He was
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
the mic to Dave Burtnik from Allstream.
instrumental putting together the information that I brought forward. proposals. Again, there were three
Their proposal was deemed the best by
the Board of Directors and the general manager had checked the figures multiple times, three times before the AGM. I asked the general manager, you
know, 'Let's please be sure I won't go before the membership and get you guys excited, umm, to, to vote on this.' MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: just a point of information, guys. Sorry. Another,
The Board never
voted on three proposals and chose Paul's as the best one. This is..., completely-MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: remember that. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: remember that. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: I -You rejected two I really don't I really don't ---did not happen
I was at all the Board meetings.
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And you can show
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
I was at all Board
You rejected two proposals and you
accepted one-MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: to move forward with. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: the motion, then. MS. CAROLINE ROY: SPEAKER: I second Charlie. You can show me No. --as the proposal
You show us the motion. Yeah. Sorry.
Caroline, you were on the Board on the time, as well, right? MS. CAROLINE ROY: Yeah. I second
Do you remember
us hearing three proposals and choosing one to go forward with? MS. CAROLINE ROY: No. This... You
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: just have to get that released.
Well, maybe we'll But they certainly
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rejected two proposals. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: I certainly There was
remember Paul, Paul coming with ideas.
never proposals, hard proposals given with numbers and, and -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: is... Sorry. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Can we hear from What? -- facts. This
the Allstream representative, please? MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: A point of information. SPEAKER: then? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: See, this was, it So who made the decision, Yeah. I just...
was, it was made the decision to bring forward to the AGM in general sense. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: going to find out. SPEAKER: What's the point -Excuse me for a What happened -Exactly. That's what we're
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: second.
I would just like to ask a quick question
of the Introtel representative. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Yes.
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MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: or you don't. That's fine.
You either know
Can you tell me why, that Introtel didn't quote 300 Megabits per second? 100 and 200 Megabits per second. They quoted
In different
versions, they quoted it dedicated and burstable, both. But do you know why they didn't quote 300
Megabits per second? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Well, I'm going
to tell you straight up, I was not involved with the quoting process, okay. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Why are you here? Then why are you here? I thought -- I'm It's
not blind to it; just not directly involved. not my responsibility, but I am aware of it.
But at the end of the day, what we're sitting with, it's not the pipe coming -SPEAKER: Pass him the mic, Eugene. It's not the
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: pipe coming into the building-SPEAKER:
Pass him the mic. --that's the
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK:
No.
And I accept
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that.
I'm not saying that it is the pipe coming
into the building. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: But -- well,
I'll be straight up with you, also, as I have been with Peter. I'm actually surprised that you're not
ex--, not hitting the roof at 200 Megabits all the time. It was a surprise. I had... I had, I had a meeting with
Peter, saying I was concerned until I was able to get the appropriate hourly charts showing bandwidth usage. And I told him I was surprised because when
I found out that there are 700 students, as many as four and five devices per student, my concern is not that 300 was the right number; that it might have to go as much as 1 Gigabit. is astronomical, but ----(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. JON NISTOR: One quick comment. Your usage here
Because this building never had wireless - and again, I don't carry phones here cause... (Inaudible) But doesn't really matter because when
you first put in wireless, you have no idea how much usage you're going to have, right. You don't
know how many laptops are going to be connected, how many i-Phones are connected, who's doing online
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gaming, who's Skype-ing, who's doing whatever, right. You could throw a dart at a wall and pick a But to crank up the
random number, start there.
bandwidth is five minutes of somebody's work; not even. So whether or not it's 100 Meg or 300 Meg or You can
a Gig, you can see, it doesn't matter. always change that number. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Point of order. Yeah.
Can we go with the -- have
Dave Burtnik here present his -SPEAKER: throw that in. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Thank you. Can I just clarify something? Sure. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER:
Are you the gentleman, then,
who we originally voted to do this Internet service at the AGM? MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: proposal under which I was... This was the Okay. So
Allstream's proposal was the proposal that we were moving forward with. SPEAKER: Mic. Allstream's
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
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proposal was the proposal that we were, you know, we -- okay. Let's be a hundred per cent accurate. The motion
The Motion did not read "Allstream". did read... either, okay. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: motion. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: okay. (Laughter) It says here:
In fact, this is not the motion
That's the AGM
That's doctored,
To pursue a high-speed phone Internet solution to be implemented before September 1st, 2012 move-in at a cost of $17 or better per month. This amount will be made
part of the housing charge for the multi-units. Access will be
optional for "A", "B" and "K" units at the same rate. And I remember something a little different, okay. It said to pursue a high-speed
wireless Internet solution at a cost of no more than $17 per multi-unit per -- per multi-unit unit member per month. So there was no phone Internet in there and the other line is extraneous, but
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nonetheless...
And definitely, okay, definitely
there's Board Members or former Board Members here that can attest to the fact that they were at meetings where I did present, and I would ask them to come forward if they are here,-MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: present numbers. Sure. --where I did
All three proposals had numbers. Like,
They knew the monthly cost on a lease.
you're denying that I brought forward numbers? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: denying. No, I'm not
Maybe you want to let me... MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Yeah.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Sorry. Oh. Yeah. He did come
So Paul is telling the truth.
to the Board meeting.
He gave us a lot of ideas
and, and proposals that we could consider moving forward with. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: numbers? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: He wasn't, he And you never saw
wasn't actually asking for us to approve an individual proposal because the idea itself wasn't approved. It has to be kind of voted to be moved
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forward with at the AGM. So he did bring proposals and some of them looked better than others, for sure. One thing -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Point of -Did he give you numbers? One thing about
those proposals; the numbers that they included was actually -SPEAKER: So they included numbers. Sorry. Guys.
The numbers that they included cost-wise was including the "A", "B" and "K" units paying into them, as well. So it wasn't only with the
multi-unit rent, and there were some other kind of funny things with the numbers, as well. SPEAKER: So they --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: SPEAKER: Sorry?
You told us just ten minutes
ago that you had not, not have received any proposals. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: received reports. SPEAKER: Yeah. (Applause) No, no, no. We
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MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Which one is true? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE:
Both, both can't
Sorry, guys.
Maybe it's, like, semantics here. Okay. So Paul didn't actually give us,
like, proposals ready for the Board to sign or for the Board to pass a motion to say, 'We're going to move forward with Proposal Number 1.' He brought
ideas from different companies; sure, of course. And we did, and we did see numbers and, and those numbers were actually not really feasible. They
were based on all "A", "B" and "K" units paying money. SPEAKER: If you're talking about
numbers, show the numbers. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Point of order. Yeah. And who voted to have
Did we vote to have this system and
did we see what the numbers were going to be and what -MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: See, we voted to That's what
have a high-speed Internet solution. we voted for. SPEAKER: Excuse me.
---(Multiple speakers interject.)
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SPEAKER:
We voted on the details
SPEAKER:
We voted on the details
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: bait-and-switch. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
This contract is a
Can we hear from Allstream? Point of order. Thank you. Isn't the point of this The issue here is
meeting to resolve the issue? simple.
We get our money back and they fix the That's all they have to
fucking Internet problem. do. SPEAKER:
Right.
We get our money back
because we haven't had the Internet that we were promised. SPEAKER: Exactly. Thank you.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER:
Then we just don't pay the
Exactly.
Why are we nit-picking about It's happened. Now
shit that's already happened? we've got to fix it.
Let's get our fucking money
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back and then move on with it. MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: it out. SPEAKER: Language. Thank you very Well said. Yeah.
All this is doing is dragging
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: much. That's what my job is. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
That why I'm here.
Exams are coming. Question. I have -Point of order. I'm really
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Point of order, guys.
Point of order.
sorry that this is dragging on and-MR. PETER ALLEN: the motion. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: the motion for a second. I want to award every--, a motion on the floor to award everyone here who has attended thus far their hours for the month. ---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Every... And can we vote? --we will table Make the motion, make
Show of all in favour; show of hands. SPEAKER: Yeah.
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---(Hands raised; applause and
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: SPEAKER:
Okay.
I make a motion that we get
our frigging money back -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Now, I realize a
number of you have a bunch of questions. SPEAKER: All opposed? All opposed? All
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
SPEAKER:
To what? To getting their
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Motion passed.
(Laughter) What about
Hold on, hold on.
the people that didn't know that it was the hour; that they could get their hours? came. That's bullshit. SPEAKER: Aw. They would have
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: It wasn't advertised. Next point of order, please. Okay, guys. Hold
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
SPEAKER:
I make a motion that we get
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our money back and then the people who actually inputted the system work on it to resolve it. In
the meantime, we can use our money that we got back to get better Internet ourselves. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Second. There you go.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Rogers. SPEAKER: Point of order. Can we hear I would have gone with
from the Allstream representative? MR. PETER ALLEN: on the floor. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: SPEAKER: motion. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: guys. Hold on a second, So, guys -No. There's a motion
But that's more than one
We have a motion on the floor. Sorry. SPEAKER: What is your name? Sarah. Sarah...?
Do you need a last name? Please.
Fullick (ph). Thank you. Can
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
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you say your motion again? SPEAKER: I motion that we get our
money back, the people who inputted the system work to fix and, in the meantime, we can get our own bloody Internet from someplace else. SPEAKER: No. And it was seconded.
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: before?
Didn't we discuss this
Can we hear -CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Do I have a
seconder? SPEAKER: Second. Can I get your
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: name, for the seconder? SPEAKER:
We should probably hear from
the Allstream guy before we do this. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: SPEAKER: Yeah. We will have We won't Seconder?
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: discussion.
We will have discussion.
just, we won't just vote on it. discussion. SPEAKER: please?
We'll have
Can I clarify something,
So within -- if we enact Sarah's motion,
are we going to lose the Internet that we currently
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have until you guys fix whatever problem you can decide on? How is this going to work? Are we
going to get our money back for the past four months? CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: SPEAKER: Again, guys...
We are all going to vote on
something that we don't understand. MS. SARAH FULLICK (ph): clarification. SPEAKER: Quiet, please. Hold on, guys. We Point of
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
have a point of clarification from Sarah. MS. SARAH FULLICK: Okay. In terms of
the motion, there are really a number of separate instances. We get our money back for the months
that you have paid for; you no longer have to pay for Internet until it's -SPEAKER: Can't hear you. First motion: You
MS. SARAH FULLICK:
get your money back for any Internet that you have already paid for. Second motion: You don't... You no
longer have to pay for Internet until it is actually fixed and up to the satisfactory standards that we want.
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SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Yeah. Yeah. Third: The people
MS. SARAH FULLICK:
who instigated this system work to fix it. Fourth: If you want, go get your own
bloody Internet until such a time as it's actually fixed. SPEAKER: Can I ask a question? Does
this mean that we're locked into the card Internet provider; we can't pursue other options with other providers? SPEAKER: No. I have my own Internet.
I don't use the building's Internet. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: for everybody else? SPEAKER: Because this is taking too Will you please speak up? Then why are you motioning
SPEAKER:
Then leave.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: So we have a
motion and now we are going to discuss this motion. SPEAKER: But it's premature to make a
decision before hearing from the other company. SPEAKER: Yes.
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---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Yes. We want to hear from
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: A point of information. Turnpenny of Introtel. If... Okay. Have you been paid on Okay. Guys, guys.
I have a question for Mr.
this cash purchase, the deposit? MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: you might ask Peter. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: been paid 155,000... MR. PETER ALLEN: And 93,000. ...and 93,000 Okay. So they've Yes, they have.
As I say, that's a question
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
here, due upon staging, delivery of equipment. Okay. So just keep in mind that over
two hundred, you know, thirty thou--, yeah, what is that? SPEAKER: Two-forty -Two hundred and And
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
forty, $240,000 has already been signed away.
again, I do agree that nothing was, no company was voted on at the AGM. I'm not going to falsify
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that; however, certain facts, certain items, certain details, like I said, the toll-free tech support. And you have to wonder why they can't You guys deserve
offer us toll-free tech support. that. SPEAKER:
We're paying more. And -- sorry?
We're paying more -And the 300
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
Megabits per second on fibre; I mean, don't forget the fact that this, to me - you make up your own minds - is a bait-and-switch. They could have come
to us, yeah, and, and let us know about this. So I'm going to pass the mic to David Burtnik finally-SPEAKER: Thank you. --and, okay, from
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Allstream. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes.
Let's hear --
What about the motion? No. Let's hear from him.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Point of order. I want to hear him.
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SPEAKER:
I want to listen to him
SPEAKER:
Point of order.
We've asked
for David to speak before the motion was brought. MR. DAVID BURTNIK: Hello. I must
admit, I've never been in a situation like this before. (Laughter) And I've also never been on the I've never been in a situation like this
before, having to defend why something that I've sold and kind of installed didn't work to a bunch of people like this, so -- (Applause) So forgive me if I'm not -- I may not be the most comfortable in this kind of situation because it's, it's new to me. First of all, the... Several questions
have been thrown out; one about, let's say, the bandwidth, the pipe to the building. It's possible that, you know, that the usage is whatever they say it is. Bottom line is,
though, that if people aren't getting on, if half of the building isn't getting on, well, then obviously if 80 per cent of the bandwidth is used up, if 100 per cent of the building does get on when they want to get on, there won't be enough
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bandwidth; correct.
That's just a thought.
So if, if 160 is okay for whatever number of people, if there's 400 people getting on, if the rest of them try and get on, probably 200 isn't going to be enough. That was one question I think somebody had earlier about, 'Is that enough bandwidth?' SPEAKER: Will fibre make a difference?
That's the main question. MR. DAVID BURTNIK: Fibre is the way
that people would go, I think, if they had their choice. Allstream, as a company, that's our bread-and-butter right now is installing fibre to buildings and building out our fibre optic network. We are the largest company in Canada with fibre. We have fibre from coast to coast. doesn't really concern you. But that
You're interested in
accessing just the Internet here in Toronto, so fibre is the way to go, I would say. I mean,
that's something where you can turn it on and you don't have to worry about, you know, access or anything. SPEAKER: Clarification. And that is
exactly what we -- (Inaudible)
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THE COURT REPORTER:
Can't hear.
---(Microphone provided to Mr. Burtnik.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Yeah. Now, I have
with me tonight who I would consider an expert in the wireless industry. His name is Michael Brunet.
And I work for Allstream, but seeing the scope of your building and what would be involved, I said, 'No. I'm bringing in a partner who I've done,
dealt with on a number of occasions, someone who is awesome with wireless, knows what he's doing.' I brought him in because he knows wireless more than I -- he knows wireless more than I do, and they will do, they would do a great job. partnering with him. So the solution that we were talking to Neill-Wycik about is actually a small fraction of what I would have, you know, an involvement of. I'm more of a coach of the, of the solution being brought to the table by Allstream because there's -- really, there's three or four elements, right. There's the wireless access points and the system that's, that's allowing you to access the Internet. Then there's the pipe to the So I'm And
building which would be provided by Allstream,
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which we would deliver by fibre.
Then there's the
24-by-7 support line that you need to have to call to get on with your Xbox or hook up with your phone or whatever the case may be, right. So, so I'm kind of like a coach bringing all the pieces of the puzzle together to deliver you an ultimately solution. And the
biggest piece, as far as the access points goes, is actually delivered by our partner, and Michael Brunet is here and he has got a few things to say about access points and wireless and why the solution that we brought to the table, we think will work better. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: The problem you're
having is, is 100 per cent normal for what we could predict before this was even undertook was going to take place. I mentioned this quite a few times in
all the presentations that we do. You're experiencing what's called "contention loss". If you understand a little bit
about wireless and Wi-Fi, you have multiple devices trying to access, at the same time, one, two, three or multiple access points, okay. And
unfortunately, even companies as good as Cisco are - and as some of you know, Cisco is a huge company.
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We sold a lot of Cisco access points in the beginning. years. We've been doing wireless for over 20
And unfortunately, they didn't understand
contention loss. And "contention loss" is, as soon as you get more than three or four devices at the same time talking to one access point, you have what's called the available amount of bandwidth from that access point. And as soon as you get over or close
to that number -- and I'm talking three or four. You have a lot more than three or four if you divide the amount of people in this building by how many access points that was proposed, so you're going to run into contention loss. You're not even getting near the pipe yet, okay. network. One of the things that Allstream was providing as part of the quote was a new network with new data cabling, so that the access points had a strong network to the building network first, before you can even get to the Internet. Forget the Internet. to the network first, okay. We've got to get So you're just trying to get onto your
You're experiencing --
that's why you can connect sometimes to YouTube and
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five minutes later, you can't get onto YouTube because all of a sudden, three or four devices got onto that access point. you're knocked off, okay. We have seen this. We know this. It Boom, boom, boom and
exists and unfortunately, even large manufacturers, as good as I love Cisco for their network switches and I'll recommend them 'til the cows come home, but I can't use and I will not sell their access points anymore because they have the same contention loss issues. We found an access point that solves it. It's a single-channel type of device and it
has videos and, you know, there's videos available to show you that 500 devices in a 500 square-foot room all can use the Internet, all -- can use wireless. Forget the Internet. Internet is just It could be
a network place you're going to, okay. a server here on the building. somewhere on Front Street.
It could be
It doesn't matter.
You've got to first get onto your network for your device to connect, okay. So when you understand that, you're not even getting to the device. And it could be good
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for five minutes and then someone else comes on and then it just drops off, okay. Contention loss happens for two reasons. One, you have multiple devices to one AP.
And the protocol, if you understand a little bit of wireless, the IEEE, the Institute of Electronics, Electrical Engineers, they devised the protocol of Wi-Fi and it's a, it wasn't designed for this size of a network, okay, so the manufacturers had to come up with better solutions to make it work. What happens, too, is you have channels and frequencies in wireless, so we only have so many channels we can use. And this protocol with
Wi-Fi with 2.4 Gigahertz, and there's also a 5.8 Gigahertz band; those are two band frequencies. only have three channels. So if you only have three channels with this many APs, you're going to have channel conflict. We eliminate that with single channel. So the access point that we deliver, that we've found that works in this, we eliminate the contention loss for devices and we've eliminated the contention loss for the channels. So it's important to understand, it's We
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not your pipe.
Your pipe is getting to 170.
You
should be accessing a lot more, but it has to do with what device is going to solve your access, okay. And our company, we're -- if you can look us
up on the Internet, you know, we provide good connections. If you want a good connection, you
need juice in the air, so we connect with air and we, the company called AirJuice. And we have lots of schools and colleges and hotels that have tons of people. we did a conference room back, you know, a few years ago and this is where we learned, you know, with 2- or 300 people in the same room, accessing the same access at once without a problem. You have a question in the back? SPEAKER: general interest. Yeah. It's more for the And
I just want to know, what would Like, what's the...?
be the price difference?
Tell us what the price difference was between installing Allstar (sic) and installing, uh -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: and Introtech (sic). (Inaudible) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Okay. Well, maybe Allstream. Allstream, sorry, Allstream I want to know what the --
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Allstar's, but that's not our name.
(Laughter)
Now, pricing is a sensitive issue. Now, it's an awkward situation. You purchased a
system from another company for a price that I don't know. I'm not privy to their information. I feel a bit awkward talking to you about the information, about what we could deliver with the other company sitting here. It might be advantageous for him to leave, for me to then talk about that because I don't see the point of, you know, giving him information about how we present. SPEAKER: So --
Motion to ask the Introtel
representative to leave the room. SPEAKER: Oh.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: finish, you know, numbers. SPEAKER: Just, just 'til I
Would that make sense?
Wasn't -- weren't you here
when he was telling his price? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER: Pardon me?
Weren't you here when they
were just quoting his price? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: the deposit, but -He just asked about
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SPEAKER:
Yeah.
But the contract's
I don't -MR. DAVID BURTNIK: I'm not -- I didn't If you want
-- I'm not looking at his contract.
to, if you want to give me a copy of his contract, but I'm not... (Laughter) That's not my point.
That's not why I drove an hour-and-a-half to be here, you know, on my night off, but -SPEAKER: your Internet,-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Thank you. (Applause) But if you're here to sell us
--then why don't you just
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER:
Yes?
Could you pass the mic to the
other gentleman beside you? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER: access points. Sure.
I've got a question about
The system we have here appears to Would an actual powered
be powered over Internet.
system be more efficient or solve the problem? MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: Power over the
Internet is just referring to the actual device access point needs electrical power to turn itself on. So we devised another protocol, POE, and that
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just means the power is getting this from the switch on the same data cable that's transmitting the data. So a data cable has eight conductors in it, four pairs. You only need two to operate data, One is being used right now So that has nothing to
so there's two spare.
for POE, so for DC current. do with your issues. power.
It's just the device needs
The access points that we provide are also POE. It makes it a lot less expensive to
install the access point because you don't need a plug where every AP is going to be for, every access point. SPEAKER: clarification. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER: You're welcome. Yes? Thank you for the
My next question is about
this list of rooms that are known to have Internet issues. When was this list made? MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Three weeks ago.
Three weeks ago where? In the building.
MR. PETER ALLEN:
They went to every room in the building.
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SPEAKER:
Okay.
I wasn't sure if some
people signed up on this list or not. MR. PETER ALLEN: No, no, no. They
went to every single room in the building. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Okay. Thank you. Let's
Point of order.
SPEAKER:
Oh, yeah.
So is, is -- are
You know, I've
SPEAKER:
Let's vote on it. I've seen their
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: prices every day for years.
There's no surprises.
I'll cover my ears if you are concerned. SPEAKER: Well, there's, there's a
SPEAKER:
Motion for --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: There's a motion on the
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
Sorry.
Who moved
SPEAKER:
Just a question. One second, one
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
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second.
Hold on. Yeah?
I've got a question.
SPEAKER:
I'm just saying, like usually The other
you have a contract between two parties.
party doesn't deliver, then wouldn't they be responsible for, like, we have to cancel the contract or something, or they have to pay you back? The most important question is, why were they paid before they actually delivered what they promised? Like, why would you pay them
250,000 before they actually delivered what they promised? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yeah. (Applause)
And why are they given so You know, when you
much time to fix this thing?
talk to Rogers and you're like, 'Oh, my Internet is not working,' next day you have a person in your room or whatever, fixing your stuff. I understand it's a big problem, but, I mean, come on. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: can help me out here a bit, too. I guess maybe you But really, I
guess what we would have gotten with that Allstream contract that was, everyone was kind of talking
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about in the beginning was where we were actually just paying for the physical equipment, for the access points that you see already up, and then on top of that, a monthly service fee. So that was my understanding, when that contract was brought to the Board, when that proposal was brought to the Board, that, you know, that was what we would be paying for. It was the
actual just physical access points in the building. So once they're here, they've delivered on their contract and that's it. My understanding from the Board was, the difference with the Introtel contract was we were actually paying for, like, a level of, of service. So if the level of service, like you guys
are saying, is poor, then it's their responsibility to bring it up to is to what is acceptable. SPEAKER: So this -Now, and this is
why this is a perfect, you know, thing, right, because, okay, so we have problems. SPEAKER: Actually -- why would you pay
somebody to deliver something to you and like, 'Okay. Here. Here you go. Here's your money and
goodbye.'
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No, no.
We
haven't -- this is a deposit we're talking about, right. We are not talking about paying the whole
contract up front. SPEAKER: But it's not working. Why --
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: SPEAKER:
Yeah, exactly.
Why are you paying them? And this is the
Because that's the term of our contract. SPEAKER: And why were they given so
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: to get it working for us. SPEAKER:
And they're going
This is --
It's been four months. This is the
perfect solution; otherwise, you would say, 'The contract's over. That's it. They're gone. We
have the access points. That's it.
We got the equipment.
Deal with it.' SPEAKER: No. They can tell you that.
I mean, they're useless anyways. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Like, you know... MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I understand And No. Well, that's
what you're saying and why you're saying it.
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if I was in your position,-SPEAKER: Yeah. --I would be I'm not happy
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: saying the same thing. with where we sit. hour-and-a-half. drive -SPEAKER: Boo. All right.
He may have driven an I have a two-and-a-half hour
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Am I supposed to be, to feel
sympathy for you, to be -MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I'm not asking for sympathy. No. I'm not,
The thing is, I can't
change history and there's nobody in this room that can change history. We can continue to go around
and around and around. The only thing I can do-SPEAKER: Uh-huh? --is I can give
you what you thought you bought, and you're entitled to that. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Give me a date, give me a,
'By a week, I'm going to give you this.' MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: Okay. If you
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can give me until middle of next week, first of all, I have to have the product, all right. So we
have ordered product, all right, and we're in the process -- sorry. SPEAKER: Sorry. No. Just when you're
done, I just want to table a motion to listen to the representatives-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Can you speak up? --of, umm, is it Allstream-Allstream.
--without interrupting them
and not tabling any more motions because I really want to hear what they have to say. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: I'll second that. I second it.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: How about if we No
just let these guys finish their presentation.
more questions, no asking questions 'til they ask for questions. Sound good? (Applause)
SPEAKER: (Laughter)
Need a wireless mic.
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: a little bit about... name is Dave Burtnik.
Hello, again.
Just My
As I mentioned, I'm... I'm from Allstream.
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Allstream is a -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Guys. Shh. We are a national
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: provider/carrier.
Our parent company is Manitoba
Telephone, so we're like the Bell Canada in Manitoba, so we are a large company. around. We have been
This is our second century and, like I
say, when we were brought into this to look at this as a solution, they called us in to look at the Wi-Fi access or Internet access which we were proposing and I saw this was a great opportunity to bring in AirJuice because they do deliver a, a unique wireless solution that can actually work for facilities like this; high-density facilities like this. And it's strange that a solution with fewer access points can do the job of something with a lot of access points. It's like, if you had a... just stick to the PC world. Well, let's
You know, if you had a
Pentium, one Pentium, can you do more with it than a 286 processor? processors? SPEAKER: Yes. Can you do more than ten 286
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MR. DAVE BURTNIK: There you go.
Probably, right.
There's a good example or a good
analogy of why the solution, well engineered, the right technology can deliver more with less. As Michael Brunet, he got maybe a little too technical for you. Apologize for that.
He's not apologizing, but I will apologize. (Laughter) He mentioned a video. There's a video
that we brought in during one of our presentations that shows, is it 500 devices? MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: In 500 square
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
There's 500 devices Maybe that's
in 500 square feet, so I don't know. about the size of this piece here. SPEAKER:
How much concrete's in the
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Sorry.
How much what? ...concrete's in the room? Yeah. The point is
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
that it's a matter of accessing an access point, so if you can see the access point. In your situation, you can see the
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access point, but you've got too many people on the access point. Doesn't work too well.
So here, we've got an access point with 500 users on it and they're all doing something-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Can you keep it down? Shh. --multiple. Anyway,
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
so the point is that it is technology that works well in this kind of situation. SPEAKER: yes or no? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: you don't need fibre. SPEAKER: Stop interrupting. The fibre is the The fibre is -- no, And do you need fibre for it;
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
pipeline to the outside world that allows, you know, the amount of connectivity. SPEAKER: How compatible is -Sorry. I thought
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: the motion said no questions. going to let him finish -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: motion. (Laughter) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Yes.
I thought we were
We haven't voted on that
To be honest, I
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have tons of questions, as well, so... SPEAKER: SPEAKER: We haven't voted on it. Yes, we did. I just asked
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
everybody, please, let's just let him finish and he will answer questions afterwards, okay? SPEAKER: Thank you. So we had proposed a
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
300 Meg fibre connection to the building from Allstream. We had proposed 7-by-24 support with an
organization that just does 7-by-24 support for Internet access for hotels and university, college residents like yourself. One of their big customers is a residence down in Texas. I think they have 12,000
students in the residence and they service that company. They service that organization. So we
feel comfortable that we're bringing experience to the table and knowledge of how to service an organization like yourselves. AirJuice, as we mentioned, has the technology, from a wireless point of view, to deliver a solution that will work here. SPEAKER: please? Can you guys keep it down,
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MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
And when it comes to
coverage, it wasn't a matter of a question of whether it will work because AirJuice guarantees in the contract 100 per cent coverage for the area specified, meaning the building. At one point during the conversation, there was a question about covering another area in the building, and so we added a couple more access points to cover that area. But the building, as
outlined to us, which is everything where everybody lives -MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: It's specific to
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
It's specific to
where you are, 100 per cent coverage. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: The furnace room's
not covered, the elevators aren't covered, the outside stairwells aren't covered; those type of things, but it's all very specific. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: So with our
solution, with our recommendation, the question was -- if the question came up, 'How come this doesn't work,'-MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: MR. DAVE BURTNIK: We'd make it work. --more access points
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would go in for free and it's guaranteed to work. So there wouldn't be a question of, you know, 'And have they done this before?' this before. So anyway, the point is that 100 per cent coverage is guaranteed as part of our proposal. We have a server that we included in the solution. That gives you a lot of other Yes, they've done
feature functionality in a situation like this; something that we use all the time in hotel deployments, which is similar to this, where people login and logout all the time. It's even worse,
actually, than this because people are coming in and going every day, right. kind of environment. And we had other options, increased flexibility options, but... So bottom line was, So it's built for this
total installation for the wireless and the server and the access points was around $168,000. And then, at one point, we were told that our price was too high and we had to get our pricing down because we needed to, to get to your budgets. So we were tweaking it a bit. We were
still around 168-and-change, but we -- at one
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point, we were told that we had to drop our access perhaps. Maybe we didn't need 300 Megs. So we
also offered the 100 Meg access and the 300 Meg access. Now, these rates for the access are a little cheaper than when we first proposed by about 1,000 or something like that. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: information. Point of
Who requested you to lower that
access because the access was agreed upon prior to the Annual General Meeting, right. Peter, the general manager, knew everything that was -- Peter, the general manager, knew everything that was on the table from Allstream proposal and saw the 300 Megabits per second, so I would like to know, you know, not to make a big deal, but who, who asked you to lower that speed? SPEAKER: I thought no questions. Yeah, exactly.
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: SPEAKER:
I just want -Well, you know, I
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
don't think it really matters because the point is that, I'm just saying that there's another option. It's 100 Meg or 300 Meg.
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SPEAKER:
Sorry.
Which one of you
answered Paul's question? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: I think, Paul,
you're kind of making all these accusations. MR. JON NISTOR: Getting back to my That's a
original point, screw the access part.
five-minute job by somebody sitting at a desk, to change the number. Take that out of the equation. It costs money to
MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: change the amount of bandwidth. MR. JON NISTOR:
You're absolutely
right, but it's a five-minute job. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: was concerned about. That's not what he
We were told to lower the
price and present a better option -MR. JON NISTOR: I -- no. I totally
understand what you're saying, but nobody knows how much bandwidth an entire residence would use, right. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: have calculations. SPEAKER: Well, we do. We
We know what --- speculations. -- we knew, based
MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: on your size -SPEAKER:
You're smart people.
You can
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figure it out.
We're all students here who -- it's
a student-run co-op. MR. JON NISTOR: SPEAKER: And you know what? (Laughter)
Sorry, sorry.
MR. JON NISTOR:
If the majority of
people are using iPhones as opposed to-SPEAKER: Hello. --laptops, your
MR. JON NISTOR:
(inaudible) is not going to be as much,-SPEAKER: Point of information. --so...
Is there any benefits that we
receive from Introtel that we would not have received from Allstream? MR. JON NISTOR: It's not mine. SPEAKER: phone. SPEAKER: (Laughter) SPEAKER: that we -SPEAKER: products. SPEAKER: No. Yeah. Really selling your There are not any benefits Don't pick up the mic. Then, then don't pick up the I can't answer that.
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SPEAKER:
You can't answer --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Peter, if you have more
information on the contracts... MR. PETER ALLEN: couple of things that came up. Yeah. There was a
One is that with
the people moving in and out of the building, we need to be able to enroll and take people off as they move in and out, and I don't recall that you had something to address that because it's a big problem from our point of view. And also, I think when we talked -MR. DAVE BURTNIK: MR. PETER ALLEN: nothing to do with the -MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: We're hoping to "P". Just 7-by-24 support. No, no, no. It's
give you a slide on the, on the screen. press "P"... For people that go -- right? MR. PETER ALLEN: Okay.
Yeah.
So I --
THE COURT REPORTER:
Sorry.
I couldn't
MR. PETER ALLEN:
We talked about the
whole thing, that we have a bunch of people coming here in September and literally, we need to turn
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them on or off on the 1st of September. MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: problem. MR. PETER ALLEN: Well, that's not what That's not a
we were told originally; that you didn't have a -well, but how would you do it, then? This was, this would -- I think you said you'd have to go with a company, not with software. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: the question. MR. PETER ALLEN: MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Okay. We need -I don't understand
You're saying that
we didn't -- you're saying we didn't have the ability to have people logon, all at once? MR. PETER ALLEN: No, no, no. That
when we turn them over and give them new passwords and everything else, there was no part of the software that would accommodate that and also allow the "A's", "B's" and "K's" to come on or off. also, with the hotel solution, it wouldn't work with our reservation system. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: No. Sorry, sorry. And
You included interfacing costs and everything in
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our system in these numbers? MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
Is that right? If you want to pass
me the mic, I will tell everybody. Actually, our solution had a PMS interface option, so we could actually interface it to the... You probably don't know this, but you've
got a 5-star property management system that works for your hotel guests that come here during the summer while the schools are on break. So we a big player in the hospitality market in Canada and we, we probably have about 25 per cent of the national hotel market, so no one does more hotels than Allstream across Canada or Southern Ontario, especially, so we know the hospitality industry very well, and we explained all that to the people here when we talked about that. So we would be very well positioned to
interface to the property management system as they're saying. And we did have an option that we
could add, but they said to take that out; that they didn't need it. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: was the cost because -MR. DAVE BURTNIK: charge. $660, one-time And, sorry, what
We were told that it wasn't necessary.
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Sorry.
one-time charge to permanently interface with our, our system? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: MR. PETER ALLEN: the residents? MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: the hotel system. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: The residents? Yeah. Yeah. Only for Correct. Yeah. But what about
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: MR. PETER ALLEN:
Yeah. We need it for --
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: we have mostly residents. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: you mostly residents, yes. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
Yes.
I know have
Yeah. And also,
So...
there was another item that you could easily assign passwords, generate passwords on the fly. You can
have passwords go for one day, one week, one month, nine months, whatever the case may be. We had a whole range of options that you could do just, just at a snap of a button, so we had, we had -MR. MICHAEL BRUNET: They weren't
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options money-wise; they were just features. SPEAKER: Printer fees. That was maybe 1,000 It was -- we were
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
bucks, 1,200 bucks or something.
told it was too expensive and we were, we had to cut our costs back. We couldn't include that.
That would be too expensive. MR. PETER ALLEN: think that's true. No, no. I don't
We wanted to have an interface We wanted to have an
with the hotel system.
interface with the residence database system. SPEAKER: Do you have now an interface? And, and it was not
MR. PETER ALLEN: seamless.
As you said, like, you wanted us to be
printing tickets out every time -MR. DAVE BURTNIK: No. That was an
option that you could have on it. MR. PETER ALLEN: Well, yes. But I
mean, we still have to, we still have to register people. they -SPEAKER: Shouldn't the Student Co-Op I mean, people, when they come on the 1st,
be a priority; not the hotel? SPEAKER: Exactly. Sorry. No, no. It's
MR. PETER ALLEN:
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-- I'm not saying the hotel is a priority.
The
residence is a, is the priority, I a hundred per cent agree with you. But it wasn't, it wasn't a Like, we would have
seamless situation to do it.
had to have had this peripheral stuff. SPEAKER: residents. MR. PETER ALLEN: Yeah, yeah. No, but I mean -CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Right. But would Yeah. Absolutely. The Internet was for the
you want to go to the office and get, like, a ticket with a paper -- you know, number on it every time, to login? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: have to do that. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: the day or something? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: had to do that. No, no. You wouldn't have Get a password for Oh. You wouldn't
You're taking that Excuse me. You're taking
totally out of context.
that totally out of context. I'm trying to explain that it would be totally flexible and you could have everything from a day, a week, a month, nine months, and you could do it online. And we went through several... I
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don't know.
Is your, your current setup is set up
so you can log online and pay with your credit card now, I guess? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: No. It's included in our --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Oh. So we --but we
went through, we went through great trials and discoveries with your credit card company to ensure that our solution would do that. So we were told
that it needed to do that and we checked and we can do that because of the server and the capabilities that we're providing with our solution. MR. PETER ALLEN: that's not true. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: actually. Yes, it is, Actually, your --
Raven Anderson was the person at your
credit card company that we talked to and we confirmed it all would work. SPEAKER: Okay. But I, I thought
MR. PETER ALLEN:
there was a problem with the credit card company; that they wouldn't -MR. DAVE BURTNIK: MR. PETER ALLEN: Not at all. Where we had to
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change our -MR. DAVE BURTNIK: MR. PETER ALLEN: MR. DAVE BURTNIK: that to you as, in an e-mail. another copy of the e-mail. MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Okay. Why Not at all. Okay. No. We confirmed
I can send you
Point of information.
were you guys not clear on these details? SPEAKER: Yeah. Why -I was clear.
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Apparently you weren't. You're not. No, because, like,
MR. PETER ALLEN:
you know, this is part of the problem I had with them. This is salesmanship. I don't think this
was discussed. SPEAKER: It was sent in an e-mail. Okay. But they're
MR. PETER ALLEN:
saying an e-mail, because I know for sure that there was no enrolling seamless -SPEAKER: Pull up the e-mail.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: find it right now. I probably won't
I probably can't find it right
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now, but I know it's there.
I mean, it was a
couple of conversations with, the woman's name way Raven Anderson who works at your credit card clearing company. So we went through that and did
e-mail, confirming that we could do all that. But somebody raised a good question about what features does that system give over this, of what we do. And now we've already heard
at least three, not to mention lack of contention issues with the access points. SPEAKER: How fast? Would it be the
same amount we would pay monthly? MR. PETER ALLEN: MR. DAVE BURTNIK: well, I know you had a target. SPEAKER: $17. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: target -- well... $17. I know our Yes. I'm not privy to --
I heard a, I heard a number
floated around here about your deposit on your solution that you had installed was like 150K or something,-SPEAKER: Yeah. --and our total
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: solution was 160-. SPEAKER: Oh.
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SPEAKER:
Your total solution? Yeah.
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: the system we have? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: were about twice our price. SPEAKER: Sounds like they I can't remember. What's the total price for
$311,000, $311,000. And ours was around
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: 170- or something like that. SPEAKER: Wow.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: more than put in a wire. system, made it an IP --
We did a lot
We upgraded your phone
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: That has nothing to do with
SPEAKER:
We asked for Internet. Our company was
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: asked to do that. SPEAKER:
So then it's Management's A
problem for making decisions for the membership. democracy is a democracy, but not behind closed doors. And all of these decisions that they have (Applause)
made has been behind closed doors.
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MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Well, that's how --
At double the price. Right. At double, double the price. The Board was
MR. PETER ALLEN:
SPEAKER:
Double the price. The Board was given a We went
MR. PETER ALLEN:
directive from the members of the AGM. through it.
The Board discussed it, we got outside That's how
advice, and then they made a decision. it works.
We could have come back to everybody,
but we don't -- no, we didn't come back with a plumbing project or anything like that. SPEAKER: How can we trust you to
implement further decisions for the building when you fucked up so hard? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Woo. Yeah. (Applause) But I still believe
MR. PETER ALLEN:
we have a good system and I think the number of access points and everything else will give us the system once they get a chance to get it running. SPEAKER: We're telling you we don't
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Sorry?
We don't want what you gave
MR. PETER ALLEN:
Okay.
If you don't
want it, then give me a solution. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PETER ALLEN: money to do that. SPEAKER: Yes, there is. We don't have the
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PETER ALLEN: We don't -- no
because the money -- part of the money is paid and we have to pay another hundred and -SPEAKER: Get it back --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: If the courts say they didn't I don't know.
do the work, give the money back. MR. PETER ALLEN:
Well, I mean, you
know, that would involve legal side and I'm not a legal person, so who knows. SPEAKER: Maybe we need a new Board. I
We should vote those -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes. Right. Vote of no
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SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: side; not on ours. SPEAKER:
I motion for that. No confidence. When was -Let Paul do -Everybody be quiet. Second. Second. Second. It seems like you're on their
We need new management. Can you read the
MR. PETER ALLEN:
SPEAKER:
I motion to that. --about a motion
MR. PETER ALLEN: they're making here? SPEAKER:
Can I ask a question? Why don't you speak? When was this Internet
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Okay.
solution, the current one that we have; when was it supposed to be up and running, completely, like, you know, 100 per cent. MR. PETER ALLEN: Oh. It was meant to
be 100 per cent on the 1st of September, so... SPEAKER: So, like, our company hasn't
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fulfilled that.
Umm. Their contract. They haven't fulfilled their
SPEAKER: SPEAKER: contract. SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Yeah. If they were supposed to be
up and running 100 per cent by September 1st, like, they haven't fulfilled it, so what then? MR. PETER ALLEN: to complete it. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: It's not fair. Listen, this is a But they are trying
really hard thing to do, but I would like to put a motion of nonconfidence on the floor for the Board, to dissolve the Board based on their apparent lack of understanding of this deal that was put through, lack of understanding of the details that were presented by Allstream, and the fact that we spent double. We spent double. SPEAKER: is for. MR. PETER ALLEN: hold it there a second. and read from the...? Eugene, could I just That's all that this meeting
Can I ask Melissa to come
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SPEAKER:
Might as well do it now.
We'll just make another petition. SPEAKER: The whole building has to be
That's not what this meeting is for. SPEAKER: No. We represent the
We have quorum. SPEAKER: Well, then where's the 600
rest of you guys? ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: If you don't show, you don't
That's, that's how it works. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Us, everybody has to -You need everybody --
continue this meeting. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MS. MELISSA WILKES: Okay. So the
wording that I have in front of the minutes -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Shh. Guys. Quiet, please. "The members may,
MS. MELISSA WILKES:
by resolution passed by a majority of votes cast at a general meeting duly called for that purpose, remove any director?
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This meeting wasn't called to remove You'll have to call another one. SPEAKER: Point of information. The motion is to
MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR:
dissolve the Board, not to remove any specific member. MR. PETER ALLEN: It's the whole Board.
It talks about the whole Board there. SPEAKER: Motion has been duly
SPEAKER: hours either. SPEAKER:
Weren't told to give MCP
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: this meeting? MS. MELISSA WILKES: The reason that This is new business. There's a question over here. Please. Go ahead. What are we allowed to do at
the meeting was called was to have the contract released. That's what the requisition said. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: -- satisfied with You're
the contract, and then we'll change it.
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trying to deny us to do our democratic process. MS. MELISSA WILKES: can call another meeting. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: question. Hey. You haven't answered her No, no, no. You
Can you please answer her question? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: New business. Point of information. You cannot bring
MS. MELISSA WILKES: new business to this meeting. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Point of information. Robert's Rules. Point of information. You can bring it
MS. MELISSA WILKES:
up, you can discuss it, but you cannot vote on it. It's not valid. I'm sorry. Can you show me in the --
SPEAKER:
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Excuse me.
On the mic. Guys.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: I had... Someone
had asked me a question earlier about the credit card question. While I had some time to sit over
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here,-SPEAKER: Oh. You found something? --I found an e-mail
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: where it says: Hi.
Thanks for this.
I also
understand that our credit card gateway works for you, as well. Will there be a charge to set this up? I guess the only reduction cost
is going to be a reduction in access from 300 to 100 Meg. If you can,
send me their latest quote. So I think that's confirmation that he knew about the interface capability with your credit card. (Laughter) SPEAKER: Oh.
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. DAVE BURTNIK: item. There was one other
I, I feel compelled to speak on this is
because the person that's still in the room who volunteered this information about why the price went up, and think that fortunately he was here to share that information with us about the phone system being upgraded because we had proposed
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upgrades to the phone system, as well, but we were told, no, not to do that. account. 'Do not take that into
We want to stick strictly to the
wireless,' and that there was no money for that, so to take out our upgrade to the Mitel system that you have currently. As a point interest or information, as well, your system is a Mitel system. Mitel's largest dealer in Canada. Allstream is
Up until a
couple of years ago, we were the largest dealer in North America. There was some merging going on in
the States and we're no longer Number 1 in North America, but we're still the Number 1 dealer in Canada from a size point view. So we are well
positioned to take care of your phone system here, as well, and that's one of the things that we had been discussing during the process, as well. we were told to not provide any. And we provided pricing, but we were told to not bother quoting that because that was something not -- that was not going to be done. SPEAKER: This is a question for But
Charlie and maybe the, the one at the front there. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: SPEAKER: Sure.
So anybody here that was at
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the general annual meeting last year, I just want to know, what's the difference between how we can ask other questions here, we can make motions here that weren't, like, originally addressed just 'cause, like, I'm -- I don't know what the difference is between this and the annual general meeting where it was called -- like, we had certain issues on the table, but at any time when you talk about, 'Hey. I think we should get, like, new
weights put in the weight room,' that wasn't addressed in the original -MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: that's sort of true. Yeah. That's,
You can, you know, put minor
other business on -- you know, discuss it at the -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: What's "minor"? What's "minor"?
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Where does it say "minor"? Where does it say that? Quiet, please. Let her talk.
MS. MELISSA WILKES:
You can bring up
other issues at the AGM, but if it's something substantial to be budgeting or something that's in the Act, you can't vote on it unless it's been on the agenda.
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SPEAKER:
What's the line of
demarcation between the two, between minor and major? MS. MELISSA WILKES: Well, if it's not
in the Act, if it's something about, you know, weights in the weight room or something like that, that's not something that's that significant. Now-SPEAKER: Sure, it is.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MS. MELISSA WILKES: me about what section of the Act. --somebody asked It is Section
104 is the removal of directors, and that's just, you know, all directors or one director; it doesn't matter. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MS. MELISSA WILKES: be called for that purpose. SPEAKER: Could you read it out loud, A meeting has to
MS. MELISSA WILKES: SPEAKER:
It's right here.
Could you read it out loud? I'll read it
MS. MELISSA WILKES:
SPEAKER:
Out loud.
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MS. MELISSA WILKES:
The members may,
by resolution passed by a majority of the votes cast at a general meeting duly called for that purpose, remove any director before the expiration of his or her term of office and may, by a majority of the votes cast at the meeting, elect any qualified person in his or her stead for the remainder of his term. SPEAKER: Where does it prohibit new
business at a general meeting? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: It doesn't say -Where does the Act prohibit
MS. MELISSA WILKES:
You can talk about
You can't -- you just can't pass a motion -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: It doesn't say that we can't. Show us where it says that. It says "duly
MS. MELISSA WILKES: called for that purpose". SPEAKER:
It says we can if we call a
meeting, duly called -MS. MELISSA WILKES: Absolutely. If
you call a meeting for that purpose -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Let's adjourn this
meeting and call a new meeting right now.
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SPEAKER:
Exactly.
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: meeting right now. I call a new They
They don't represent us.
don't represent your best interests. represent your best interests.
They don't
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) SPEAKER: I would like to adjourn the
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: A question over here. Hey. I have a suggestion. Calm down. I
suggest we adjourn this meeting. say anything.
Don't
I suggest that we are presented with written information, clearly and concisely, which we're obviously not able to get at this meeting because it's chaos, in a written form from your company and your company and the Board. We all
read it and figure out something, and then we come back once we're educated. SPEAKER: And then we vote and it's our
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SPEAKER: educated about it. SPEAKER:
Yes.
But we need to be
This has been very dishonest.
They can't waste our money on a system that's not effective when they knew that there was a better option. SPEAKER: Motion to make it the
Members' job to decide the next Internet plan. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Second it. Second that. For? (Indicating) All
I shouldn't have to do that, but... ---Discussion off the record at 8:36
---On resuming at 8:38 p.m. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Okay. Hello.
This lady over here wants to put a suggestion out and then Scott MacDonald (ph) has a suggestion. SPEAKER: Okay. I'm not very good at
this, but as opposed to the Members coming up with different plans for Internet and then, like, bringing it to -MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: was suggested. No. That's what
We want to hear what they--
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SPEAKER:
Let her finish, please. --have to offer
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: and they have to offer. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: to make the decision. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: decision; not to make the plan. SPEAKER: No. Shh.
Somebody motion for Members
To make the
We'll decide.
Like,
come back in two weeks, show us theirs, show us theirs. We decide at a meeting, just like this. SPEAKER: options available? SPEAKER: They present to us, yeah, in We decide after they make the
SPEAKER:
All right.
Cool.
(Laughter;
CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:
Guys, that sounds We
good, but we do have to still follow procedure. have to post it to the rest of the building. are timelines that we have to follow. Like,
There
there's a certain amount of time that something has to be brought forward, and it has to be posted for, I think, the 20 days or something like that. SPEAKER: So we'll, so we'll post.
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Let's, let's come back in two weeks, look at the two things. CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: time... ---Discussion off the record at 8:39 p.m. ---On resuming at 8:40 p.m. SPEAKER: Hold on. Everybody, hold on a second. No, no. The
One sec, sorry. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Just wanted to bring some It's not a
calm to this meeting or whatever. witch-hunt here, right.
The Board of Directors
volunteer their time and have, you know, to the best of their abilities. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Huh. So this is -- hey. This is
not a subjective opinion.
Total objective, okay,
as far as they're doing their best job, and try to, you know, make decisions based on their level of experience and the whole process of learning about it anyways. But some of the folks have been here for quite a while, volunteering thousands, countless of hours, whatever. So the main point
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is, we are not here to get anyone fired or anyone to dissolve a Board because -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Why not? Well, what are we going to --
how are we going to solve our problems with nobody at the helm? SPEAKER: after. SPEAKER: Okay. Well, like -- okay. Have an election immediately
So first, you have to get volunteers for an interim board. have -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: That happens in half an hour. I'm just -- no. It actually Then they have to get voted on. Then they
probably takes a little bit longer. And then, the other thing is that there's, you know, there's an experience gap or whatever -- so I think what we are here for is to solve our Internet problems, not, you know, get anybody fired or dissolve any board or anything like that. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: that after. We could go on, like, with
That's not a, that's not a prudent way
to proceed with this meeting in all the chaos, the
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din, the cacophony of all this.
I think we should
just find out right now, clearly, a solid foundation of how we're going to move forward on our Internet right now with the Board of Directors and the present Management. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Directors to do that. SPEAKER: another Member. MR. ADAM PELLS: I'm on the Board. I believe one of the things that we can do is make a committee. Committee. We can make an Internet My name is Adam Pells. Pardon me? We don't trust the Board of I don't. Well, and here is
We can appoint some people in charge of We, as the Board, will
that committee right now.
work with those people who will work with you guys. You guys, as an Internet Committee, can have as many meetings down here as you guys want and hash stuff out. And then, what we need to do
is we need to minimize the amount of point people that we're dealing with. unclarity going on. There's too much
I feel like that would be a
good way to move forward.
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SPEAKER:
No. Okay.
MR. ADAM PELLS:
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ADAM PELLS: I tried, I tried.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: There's some
debate about the Motion on the floor for dissolving the Board. I think the prudent thing to do is for
me to withdraw the Motion to dissolve the Board today, take that off the floor, and to put a further Motion on that we reconvene in two weeks -pardon me. SPEAKER: A lot of people are going
SPEAKER:
January -Janu--, thank
To reconvene January 24th, so I believe that
fits within the Act; to have another General Members' Meeting to talk about, to deal with the Internet solution, to talk about it and approve a contract that we want and, at the same time, to decide on the Board. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: I think that's -Also, to refund the money. Yeah. Can we have a motion
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to refund the money? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Second that. Second that. Second. Second. All in favour?
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: (Indicating) Motion carries. SPEAKER:
Clarification, please.
would just like a recap on exactly what we have decided at this meeting. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: In terms of...?
What we voted on and what the
actual extent we're taking. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Okay. So I guess
the clarification you're looking for is what the motion means that I brought forward. SPEAKER: Well, actually, this is in How many
general, how many motions have we done? motions have been carried? MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK:
Motions have been
thrown on the floor and I went through one and there's been a lot of people throwing motions out. We probably shouldn't be doing all that. We should
probably be a little more orderly than that. But the final motion, I can tell you,
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the final motion that I put out is to withdraw the nonconfidence vote on the Board, to reconvene January 24th to choose the contract that we want based on the numbers that were presented. So we
could maybe spend an extra 10 or 15 minutes for David, to let him finish, okay. And when we
reconvene on January 24th, we will decide on the Internet solution that we want, and also we will determine the question on the Board. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: we...? MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Well, we did That's one And refund the money. What about the money? Is there anything else that
approve hours for Members that came in. that I do remember. ones. SPEAKER:
I lost track of a few other
Did we approve refunding our
money for the months passed? MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: that myself. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: be free. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) I definitely want that -I thought that was going to I am unclear on
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MR. PETER ALLEN:
But if you're going
to decide in January, you should finish everything in January. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Is Trevor correct
that it would be free until it's fixed, but no actual refunds to the Members? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Better be. Pass the microphone along. You're having a
MR. PETER ALLEN:
If you're going to decide everything,
decide it all at the meeting. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: We can't hear. We can't --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PETER ALLEN: Sorry. No. I'm
thinking that if this is the direction you're going in, which is fine, that you, when the meeting is requisitioned, that somebody could - and probably you; if you can do that, work with Melissa, so that all of these details are in there, so there's no question about it. I mean, they can be voted down And then everything is
or voted up, whatever. decided in January.
I mean, like, if you --
another extra month's money back doesn't make any difference, as long as -- because then it's
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concise.
Everything is done at the same time. SPEAKER: We already said -- but the
issue that I have is, not only do I not have faith in the building getting the Internet because for months and months I've heard, 'Okay. the best we can.' We're doing I can't
I have had no Internet.
do the things I need to do and I'm going to have to buy Internet. I have zero faith. I need to go out
and buy Internet and then I'm going out to sign a contract. I don't want your Internet after. I
don't want to pay for your Internet. MR. PETER ALLEN: -SPEAKER: I want to opt out of it. Okay. Well, this is Okay. Well, this is
MR. PETER ALLEN:
something that would have to be discussed at that meeting in whole budget. SPEAKER: I mean --
But I'm going to buy the I need Internet now.
Internet before that meeting. I can't wait. MR. PETER ALLEN: solution to that -SPEAKER: money back, didn't we? SPEAKER:
I don't have a
We passed a motion to get our So why is there -Well, why are we having a
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meeting now, then, if there's no solution now? Like, I respect that things take a very long time and that, of course, like, I understand that 'til January is reasonable. away. People are going to go
And then, of course, switching over our
contract, even if we decide we want to go with Allstream-MR. PETER ALLEN: a -SPEAKER: --switching the contract, by No, I know. There's
the time all that happens, the people living here now are going to be moved out, right. It's the
thing -- like, the thing is that we are here with the representative from Introtel who could be telling us right now what we need to do to fix the Internet because it's, like, we can't wait for a month, really, because it takes so long. MR. PETER ALLEN: Right. Well, I think
-- I'm not speaking for him, but I think he said that the middle of next week, they will be putting in new access points anyway, regardless ----(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: So then, what was the point
of having a meeting today, then? SPEAKER: I have an access point in my
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roof. SPEAKER: Because if there's no
information to share and to progress on the situation now -SPEAKER: today. MR. PETER ALLEN: Okay. But what I can They released the contracts
do is I can work with him and I can notice it in the building when it's all going to happen. not a problem. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: money? MR. PETER ALLEN: No. Is this going to cost us That's
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: I have a question. May I make a
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: point?
At this point in the game, I put a motion
on the floor that seems to have been approved and carried; that we adjourn the meeting and come back on January 24th. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Wait, wait, wait. It sounds like there's some
interest in pursuing this now. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Okay.
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SPEAKER:
Can we take a vote to see if
we want to look at the two plans right now and make a decision -MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: a really good point. Well, and that's
Can we take a -- I think I
know what you're going to say, but you can interrupt me if I'm wrong, okay. that. SPEAKER: Okay. All right. What I'll give you
I think we should do is take a few minutes and just let David finish. We can also talk to the Introtel
person and we can get their, both their perspectives. SPEAKER: Honestly-Yes?
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: what you just said. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: Okay.
--it has nothing to do with
Okay.
Go ahead.
Can the Management
please comment on that e-mail that you showed us? MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: MR. PETER ALLEN: Oh. Okay.
I mean --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Okay. So I think it's clear
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that we all have issues with the Management and the different proposals that have been put on the floor and their ability to decide on them, right? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: answered? SPEAKER: didn't know. SPEAKER: I just want to say that, She was before you. You just Yeah. Okay. So --
Can my question please be
would it be better if we got a third party person who doesn't get paid, like, based on who gets paid if there's a contract, like a broker who deals with all of the different vendors who could get the best prices for us? ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: have an answer. Sorry. Guys, I
This is, this is exactly what the
Board of Directors did do, so I mean we heard Paul's solution where he gave us this Allstream quote. We also heard from Introtel, and then we
looked at a third party, like outside consultant who had no interest whatsoever in any of this, but who is definitely an expert in his field, to give us some additional information on these, on these
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contracts and to provide a little bit of advice, so this is something that's already been done. One thing, I mean, guys I know, like, I think everybody is upset here because you think that, that there was this, like, perfect, perfect contract on the table and then this, like, sneaky Board just came in and, and, you know, disregarded what would be the best for all of us and -SPEAKER: Yeah.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Guys. Hey. No. Guys.
The Board of Directors, the Board of I mean, you guys have
Directors lives here, too.
all seen this YouTube video, apparently, I guess, that was put out by some people that has tons of factual errors in it. You -- like, honestly -Oh, really.
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: I didn't see the video. I would actually,
I would actually love to go through the video and point out every single-SPEAKER: I didn't see it. --error for
MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: error.
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SPEAKER:
I didn't see it and based on
what happened today, I can tell that this is shit, this is good, and you guys made a mistake. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: We could do that
You can't say what the other system would You don't know. These guys didn't tell us --
have been like.
SPEAKER:
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: You're corrupt. Price. Half the
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
Moathe would like
---(Multiple speakers interject.) THE COURT REPORTER: Can't hear. Can't
SPEAKER:
Okay.
This is the only way
questions work, apparently; grabbing the mic. Can you please comment on his e-mail regarding the credit card issue because what you said right before he showed us the e-mail was exactly the opposite of what he showed us. SPEAKER: Yeah.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: And it's proven, so please
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comment on that, please. SPEAKER: Woo. I believe that you
MR. PETER ALLEN:
sent the e-mail, but I still think that the credit card company - I just asked Melissa if we had -but I'd check it out, as well. But that was one of It's more the
-- it's not so much the credit card.
enrollment than anything else that we had a problem with. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: throw in something here. SPEAKER: arguing. You changed what you were I would like to
You changed the point. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Boo. Doesn't answer. It's a sidestep. Bait-and-switch. Woo. So Charlie said
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
something here that was very pertinent; that there are factual, a lot of factual incorrect, things that are incorrect about the video. And I know,
here tonight, there's three, maybe four, we have four sworn Affidavits about what was promised to
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the membership at that meeting; four sworn Affidavits, and I can go get them. SPEAKER: Yeah. That's what we need. Yeah. So...
In the meantime, can we do
the round of questions? MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: correct? SPEAKER: Can we retry that because I, Oh. Your questions;
I didn't get my answer yet. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: speak it in the mic for us. SPEAKER: question again? Can I please ask the same Okay. So just
Can we have a direct comment as to
why you said the credit card wasn't working or whatever, and then he had proof-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: said,-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: time. SPEAKER: subject. Yeah. No changing the You said the exact opposite. --without sidestepping this ...that it was. --directly against what you
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MR. PETER ALLEN:
No.
I got, I got the
All I'm saying is that I believe, when we
checked into it, it didn't work through our bank, but I can check -SPEAKER: Why did you contradict
yourself, like, directly before he showed the e-mail? MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: No. I, I --
You said the exact opposite. This has all happened
MR. PETER ALLEN: a long time ago-SPEAKER: Oh.
MR. PETER ALLEN:
--and I know that the
end result was, I believe, that the credit cards didn't work. We had to go to a-SPEAKER: Should have came prepared. --U.S. clearer, not So I, I
MR. PETER ALLEN:
our local clearer with Meridian, right. will check it out. SPEAKER:
To be honest, when you're
dealing with that much money, it's kind of hard to forget the fact that it didn't work or it worked. That's just in my personal opinion, though. MR. PETER ALLEN: involved in that. There's no money
It's just an interface.
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SPEAKER:
But that still doesn't
explain why you said -- if you have been working for so long in this business, then... SPEAKER: We trusted you and you fucked
SPEAKER: SPEAKER: up; bottom line. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: bad judgment call. SPEAKER:
Yeah.
(Laughter)
Basically.
We trusted you and you fucked
Oh. Seems like you made a really
So just leading from my
point, clearly there's an issue with who is controlling this whole membership thing. The
Board, the Management and, quite frankly, we need another solution than waiting that long. Like, that's, like, perfect, but someone here brought up the point that by the time everything gets changed, we're all going to be out of here anyways. And I'm sorry, I can't deal with
the fact, like, for two more months, at least, that there's people controlling this whole building that have holes in them. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yeah. Yeah. Like, we need full, like...
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MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: disclosure, transparency. SPEAKER: transparency. dictionary?
Confidence,
Confidence, disclosure,
Someone else want to pull out a (Laughter)
SPEAKER:
Good words, good words.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: I think that even though a
lot of us aren't going to be here by the time the Internet is perfect, it still needs to be perfected for people who are going to come live here. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: important now. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I think that's really
(Applause) Woo. But we're going to have to
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
pay for a solution and we're going to have to sign a contract, so we're going to have to keep paying for our own Internet, even if you do finally figure out what the hell you're doing when we're here. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Well, I think now
I understand where you're coming from, and I hear where you're coming from, and they're both very
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valid points.
So what I think we should do is
follow the original motion and reconvene on January 24th, and really think about the other people that have to live here and the long-term solution that actually needs to go in place. I would like to spend a little bit more time, but not too much because we've been here a long time, and Tim Horton's doesn't go that far, okay. Let's let David finish his presentation and then we'll adjourn and then come back. But we
will need a motion to adjourn - well, we passed it - so we'll need to give him another 10 or 15 minutes and then go. But this is very important to
understand that the motion to have the meeting is already done, so we do not have to petition the Board again. We passed it. MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Okay. I'm not really sure
what else I'm going to present on, other than, as I said, we brought forward a solution which was, I'm still not fully clear on what their pricing was. That's not the point, but our point, our system does seem to be quite a bit less expensive and we did guarantee 100 per cent that it would work. we do provide, as part of the solution that we And
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brought in, features that were sought after, but not delivered; credit card interface, possible e-mail interface, and... SPEAKER: 24/7 support. And 24/7 support
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: and... Sorry. SPEAKER:
At half the price. At half price. And,
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
if requested, certainly --well, I mean, your phone system is already upgraded, apparently. The term
used earlier this evening was, it was upgraded for Voice over IP. SPEAKER: please? SPEAKER: Shh. So now, I'm not sure Guys, could you keep it down,
MR. DAVE BURTNIK: if you're actually...
During the process, we were
told that one of the reasons why we shouldn't pursue Voice over IP is because the building already had certain contracts in place for your phone lines with, I think it was Rogers. SPEAKER: Bell. No, no, no. For the
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
actual phone lines to the building.
So because
there was a contract still, that was one of the
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reasons why that was totally off the table, because one of our solutions was, because Allstream's a carrier, as I mentioned earlier, with the fibre that we'd be able to provide, we would also be able to provide phone lines to the building at a much less, much lower price, providing SIP trunking. So, and that, SIP trunking would be a reason to go to Voice over IP. over IP. Your system was already Voice
If I'm allowed, after this session, I
will go and look at your equipment to see what was upgraded, to give you an opinion on what is now versus what it was before because our proposal at one point, like I said, did include upgrading the system. I think that would be to your, to the
Members' benefit to know, I guess. SPEAKER: Motion to do that; make that
information available to the membership. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Oh, yeah. Definitely second.
Not just to see the offers,
but have photocopies -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Umm. Yeah. Second it. Vote in favour. All in favour. I second.
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SPEAKER:
Favour.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: we passed a motion. Okay. So I see
I don't know what we passed, (Laughter)
but apparently we passed a motion.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: -- we have access to see what up, upgrades that the other company made -MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Okay. Oh. I understand
Let me repeat the motion.
The motion that was put out from, that was just explained to me was that David Burtnik and his Allstream technical team have full and complete access to see all the equipment, to know what was upgraded, what is old, what they can work with, and come up with a solution. May I add to the motion that once they found it, they have a report; that the written report doesn't have to contain dollar figures on the contract, but the actual written report that they have is circulated into every Member's mailbox. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes. (Applause) Seconded.
Second. Passes, I guess.
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Trevor has a point to make so, let's give him the mic. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Okay. So there
was some discussion before about the fate of the Board, and we were talked into rescheduling that. I was looking at the CMHC Guide to Co-op Housing website and there is one other option, if you guys are interested. It's called a
"special resolution" and it's a resolution that's submitted to a meeting of the co-op or a meeting of Directors - this would be a meeting of the co-op and passed at that meeting by more than a simple majority, so like two-thirds or three-quarters, umm, and... Yeah. So that's, that's what it says;
two-thirds or three-quarters, depending on the, the Province. So Melissa would be able to tell us what Ontario law requires here, whether it's two-thirds or three-quarters, and so if you guys are still interested in that, and there seems to be a lot of interest around here, we could pass a special resolution to open this meeting up to other, other motions, as you're interested. SPEAKER: dinner and come back? Can we take a brief, brief (Laughter)
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SPEAKER: Get it over with.
No.
Let's get it over with.
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE:
I don't think
One more
Feel free to scarf on all the Timmy's
you want because they're just going to go to waste if you haven't eaten them. SPEAKER: There's Timbits? James,
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Okay. So many of these I've
motions have been presented and then passed.
been watching this whole area and nothing is being written down. Is it being recorded somewhere? No. There's a lady
MR. PETER ALLEN: at the end here. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: I've been watching. Yeah.
Nothing has been typed out.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: reporter at the end. SPEAKER: There's a reporter. There's a reporter. There's a
MR. PETER ALLEN:
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MS. LISA GILLANDERS:
She's taking
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: We have a stenographer here. So...
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: SPEAKER:
There is an audio voice
SPEAKER:
There's two audio recordings
and the stenographer's notes. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Based on what
the CMHC has on their website, are you guys interested in looking at a special resolution? SPEAKER: Yes. Show of hands.
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: ---(Indicating) MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: majority to me. Okay.
Looks like a
So we're going to stay? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If we did
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
I have a question.
go to, umm, all, All -- I'm going to call you "Allstars" (ph). (Laughter) I know it's Okay.
Allstream, but I call you "Allstars".
If we did go with you, how quickly
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could we implement your system, so that we would have a solution? solution? MR. DAVE BURTNIK: Well, first, we If, if How quickly would we have a
would need to look and see the situation.
the cabling is reasonable -- now, obviously you've have got a commitment, a contractual commitment on what you've, what you've -- and what you've paid so far. So if your... If that cable is going to
remain in place, then if it's reusable in, in the correct locations for the access points we'd want to install, that would definitely cut down on the ramp-up time to install. Michael is saying it might be about four weeks to get something going. there's a number of components. Initially, you are using this TeraGo wireless. You know, you could leave that in place I'm assuming you Like I said,
until the fibre was installed.
wanted to make the fibre, go for the fibre install, assuming you can get out of that TeraGo contract and assuming there's a contract for that. I mean,
there's too many questions in my mind to give any, you know, a serious answer to that. Yeah. We have
to go the research first, but it has to be
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worthwhile. SPEAKER: And then, we'd also want to
know, how long would it take Intel (sic), Introtel to, to make their changes. And then -- but in the
long term, it seems obvious that if we went with, umm, well, sorry, All... SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Allstream. Allstream. ...Allstream in the future,
even if it took four weeks and these guys took three weeks, which I don't think they would. think they would take longer. I
I don't know that
for sure -(laughter)- but that Allstream would have better options in the long run anyways for the building and for the people here, so... SPEAKER: Yes. Based on, on
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: what information? SPEAKER: discussed tonight. SPEAKER:
Based on everything we've
You said yourself, there was
no benefits from your plan. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: No, no, no. MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: Who's -No, no, no, no.
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MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: telling you this? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: not what I said. SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
No, no, no. Who's actually
No, no.
That's
You did say this. He was asked that.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: You asked me
what we didn't have against their, their proposal; what we didn't have. There's a, there's great
difference between that company and this company. SPEAKER: I asked what benefits we
receive from the Introtel plan as opposed to -MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I misunderstood your question. SPEAKER: With all due respect to May I apologize?
yourself, but it seems like you don't care enough for this contract to bring some specialty people to answer questions. You, yourself, every damn I
question we asked you is like, 'I'm not sure. wasn't even involved in this. I don't know, I
don't know, I don't know, I don't know.' SPEAKER: 'I'm not a bits-and-bytes
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---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: You were sleeping a minute,
Several of us -SPEAKER: So, so if you really cared
about this $300,000 contract, you would have a team there, defending your position of the company -(Applause) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: CEO.
-- to, to, to promise to
provide what your contract says -- (Applause) ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Can everybody hear me? Yes.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: -- standing up -Therefore, everything you say
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Shh. -- you have no credibility You have nobody to You
because you don't have a team. answer our questions. don't know... SPEAKER:
You're sitting down.
And you spent three months
installing a plan that doesn't work. SPEAKER: You said you did research and
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you just -MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: can't change history, all right. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Oh, no. We don't expect you to. We Like I said, I
just want you to be accountable. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: history. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: What I said to Shh. -- accountable for your
you is, by next Wednesday, I can have a plan in place to have this resolved. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: implement that plan? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: excuse me. As soon as -How long will it take to
As soon as I know what we're going to
have to do to resolve this. SPEAKER: You've been here four months
and you still don't know what you have to do. SPEAKER: four months? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: Your -What have you been doing for
What have you been doing?
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I became, I
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Shh. --aware of this
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: three weeks ago. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Why didn't -What?
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Now he's saying -Why has he only been declared
that three weeks ago when it has been more than three months? SPEAKER: for over two months. SPEAKER: past three months. SPEAKER: I'm not blaming -MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: my -- it, it -- listen. SPEAKER: Can the GM-We, as a -I know. It's Like, I'm not blaming you. -- been complaining for the When I've been e-mailing you
--answer that question? We, as a
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company, okay, that information should have come to me two months ago, okay. SPEAKER: Yes. Within my own
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: organization,-SPEAKER:
Point of information. --it should, it
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: should -SPEAKER:
Can
the GM clarify why this information was only brought to you three weeks ago? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: fault. SPEAKER: Okay. It's not his
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: You answer the question. It's my fault.
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: your company at fault. Oh. Okay.
Then now, that puts
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Then stop trying to protect
yourself by saying you only found out about it ----(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I only found out
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about this three weeks ago. SPEAKER: Then that's your fault. It is.
So why are you-Somebody within
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: our organization should have -SPEAKER: yourself? SPEAKER: excuse? MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: excuse. SPEAKER:
--using it to excuse
Why, you are using it as an
There is no
They cut you off and then get
away from the contract and have someone else do it. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: mistake for you. SPEAKER: Would it? Yeah. That would be a
I don't think so.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: I would like to know how it
is your fault that the information has only come to you a couple of weeks ago. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: I -Because whenever
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SPEAKER:
A point information -As far as I'm
concerned, when -- any time this company makes a mistake, it's my fault. SPEAKER: All right. But if the
information did not get to you, then that is not your fault. MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: get to me, it is my fault. earlier. SPEAKER: So I'm just going to say, say How do we go But if it didn't
I should have got it
we do want to break the contract. about looking into breaking it? THE COURT REPORTER: MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK:
Can't hear you. So this is a good
question about how much it's going to cost us to break our contract and what that would mean in terms of rent. SPEAKER: How long is the contract for? I'm sorry? How
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
How long is the contract for? How long is the contract for?
What's the contract term? MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Yeah. We have a
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copy, but I don't know if... ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: How long is it for? The contract with
MR. PETER ALLEN:
these guys has no term, but we do have a contract for the bandwidth. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: How long? Three years.
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Wow.
MR. PETER ALLEN:
So that's why
-(inaudible)- agree to sign up for a certain amount of time. SPEAKER: But if they didn't provide
the services they claimed they would provide by September 1st, then they are in breach of contract. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Cory, hang on. I
would like to make a motion, so what I would like to is do enter for a motion of special resolution of the Members that we vote upon, to open the meeting to new business and new motions to be put on the floor. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Seconded. In favour. In favour. (Indicating)
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---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Woo. I believe we have
SPEAKER:
I also have a question after
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Hang on. SPEAKER:
Oh.
We have a
This is whoever wants to
How much -- okay, I know it's 17 a
month or something like that, but how much is it monthly for the whole building, with what we have right now? MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Yeah. For the bandwidth? For the Internet,
like, for the whole service. MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: $6,000.
6,000 a month? Yeah. And how much did they
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: Okay.
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
So at the time,
like, our pricing has come down by since then, but at the time when we proposed, the Internet was a little over 5,000 a month for 300 Meg on fibre.
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MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: not be delivered. SPEAKER:
But fibre could
Sounds like a better deal. Fibre could not
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: be delivered. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Why? What?
MR. ROBERT TURNPENNY: brought fibre in here for $4,000.
We would have Because you have The, the
to get a building permit from the City. cable company --
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Guys, quiet. Shh. As a carrier,
MR. DAVE BURTNIK:
Allstream, as a carrier, we have our, our own people, I guess, doing installs. I'm not on that side of the business. As I mentioned, I'm more of a coach in this. On the network side, the woman that was involved in that part, her name is Nancy Wyborn, and we provided those, pricing as part of the package, like I say, back in the spring. Normal delivery time frame on that is, I think it's 75 days to 90 days. So that was done
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in April or May when we thought it was going to be going. It probably would have been realistic to
get you up and running for September, but I, I can't, you know, clarify because that's not my department. But we had also provisioned things when, when orders escalate through the system, when a salesperson like Nancy put it in, that looked fairly positive. process. We had already started the
Allstream had already invested some plant I can't
work money to have this survey done. remember the date.
But that was kind of a mistake
on her part for us to do some work without any kind of contract, but we had already started the process, so I -- from my understanding from Nancy was that we would have hit your commitment of having the fibre installed for September, but again, that would be her to answer that for sure, but... MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: A question.
So now that we've heard that
that was $6,000 a month; now it's $5,000 a month, what does the general manager have to say as to why it will be $6,000 a month? MR. PETER ALLEN: I didn't hear what he
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said. SPEAKER: He wants to know, if the
Allstream plan was cheaper, why did you go with Introtel? MR. PETER ALLEN: that. Well, we talked about
We said the Board and our advisor felt that
we should have a system that -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Why? What is the reasoning? Not
because somebody told you. MR. PETER ALLEN:
What is your opinion? My opinion is that we
needed more access points and theirs was a better system, and that's still our opinion. SPEAKER: The Introtel system was a-Yes.
MR. PETER ALLEN: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: points --
--better system -How can you, how can you -He just explained earlier-Wait. Shhh. --how you can use less access Wait, wait, wait.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: You guys, if you
want a technical opinion, let's get, let's get the
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guy who runs the Internet for Toronto to give a technical opinion. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Hang on.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: guys -SPEAKER: Point of order. Hang on. I think Like, we have --
I have a way out this, if you're interested. We have put a special, a motion for a special resolution on the floor, to open the floor to new motions and business. passed, so it's passed. SPEAKER: Yeah. Now I would like That was seconded and
to put a motion of confidence (sic) of the Board on the floor and I'm looking for a seconder. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Second. Second.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: vote? ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Motion of nonconfidence. Nonconfidence. Can we have a
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SPEAKER:
Let's see your hands. A motion of
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: nonconfidence. SPEAKER: All opposed?
Motion carries.
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: I, I have to The key So what
I missed a very key thing.
thing is, now we have to have elections.
I'm going to suggest is, we go fetch the ballot box and the ballots. SPEAKER: Can we have Security? And, yes. We'll
get Rod or whoever Rod determines to get the ballot box, and now we will conduct the election for an interim board. ---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) SPEAKER: I wanted to ask the general
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Everybody. Shh. So for those students or
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residents who have not had Internet, at all, besides just refunding us our money, we can't wait 'til whenever you guys figure it out -(Security radio interrupts)- so I think that what you should do is, for those people, take it out of the rent. We should not have to pay it because we're going to have no choice but to go get our own contract somewhere else. SPEAKER: yeah. SPEAKER: --so take it out of the rent Yes? Take it out of the rent,
for next semester as well as refunding it. MR. PETER ALLEN: check it out, yeah. SPEAKER: No. No.
Well, I mean, I can
MR. PETER ALLEN: 'yes' like that. SPEAKER:
I can't say
You can't say 'yes' to -You need a Board to
MR. PETER ALLEN: do that. SPEAKER: hold the elections. SPEAKER: Okay.
They're not the Board.
Let's
So let's hold the
election and then we'll move ----(Multiple speakers interject.)
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SPEAKER:
Is there even quorum in this
SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Yes. Now? I left and I came back.
Is there still quorum in here to dissolve the bloody Board-SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes. --without a head count?
Is that a vote we just did, just now? ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: votes in here still? SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes. Looks like it. Okay. So what's quorum?
Seventy-six. And there's more than 76
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: hang on, hang on. All right. So
Peter's going to explain to you
what we'll actually do. MR. PETER ALLEN: (Inaudible).
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Guys, guys. Quiet. What I believe you
MR. PETER ALLEN:
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should do is that if you're going to elect a board, that's fine. Then, the next scheduled Board
meeting will be the 12th of December, so that would be the first meeting of that -SPEAKER: Internal board. -- board, I guess,
MR. PETER ALLEN: yeah. SPEAKER:
When a new board is elected,
after a general meeting, the board is allowed to have -MR. PETER ALLEN: not -- I'm just saying -SPEAKER: No. But I'm saying, for the Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm
purpose of advertising because the Board does have to advertise their meeting, so that Members can attend. SPEAKER: agenda -MR. PETER ALLEN: Oh, yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. So we'd put an
Well, Cory actually the other day, pointed out that the agendas haven't been going up because we don't have a corporate secretary. But if somebody
liaises with me, I will make sure that the agenda is up on the wall for the 12th. SPEAKER: Yes. Does that work?
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SPEAKER:
This
is a General Members' meeting -- (Inaudible) --(Coughing.) SPEAKER: -- requested formally in
writing through you to the Board to have a General Members' meeting as soon as possible. It was
exactly since then that there have been no Board agendas posted. MR. PETER ALLEN: I mean -- okay.
Like, a lot of things are -- a lot of things are my responsibility, but the corporate secretary's meant to do that. SPEAKER: he -- (Inaudible) MR. PETER ALLEN: Yeah, okay. Yeah. No. And he explained that
And you brought it up before and I think -SPEAKER: Point to be made,
MR. PETER ALLEN:
Yeah.
Well, it's
something for the new corporate secretary to bear in mind, that that's part of his respons--, or her responsibility, which, I mean, it should have. I
mean, somebody's doing the agenda -- it should be up. ---(Multiple speakers interject.)
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MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Just -SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Guys. Shh.
Oh.
Just a
Listen, folks. Let's
Folks, let's proceed with the election. nominate some people. going.
Let's get the ballot box
Let's do the whole thing. We need all the people here for the
election, okay, because we want to have quorum the entire time that we're doing it, okay. will have a, we'll take a recess. the next scheduled meeting. Yes? Then we
We'll break for
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: agenda, as Cory has pointed out. We will post an We'll put on that
agenda what we intend to do, and we will... Everybody comes and we will hold the first, that meeting right here in the cafe, for everybody to come in and witness that, okay. SPEAKER: And participate. And participate.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: That's important. Participate. What date?
SPEAKER:
---(Multiple speakers interject.)
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MR. PETER ALLEN:
Now, he said -- just
so I get it clear because I'm going to play a role in this as well. So you want to have the Board
meeting in the cafe? SPEAKER: Yes. Okay. Fine. And
MR. PETER ALLEN:
then you're going to give me an agenda which we'll post throughout the building. SPEAKER: Yes. Yeah. Okay. That's
MR. PETER ALLEN:
SPEAKER:
Let's have the election. Sorry?
Why don't we just hold
Yeah.
That's the
next -- we're just waiting for the ballot box. May I make a suggestion, though? Have
a coffee, get some energy, pump some more doughnuts into you. Let's, let's proceed. Oh. We have someone who wants to make
I'm sorry. SPEAKER: Hi, everyone. My name is
I live in an "A" unit, so actually, this
doesn't directly affect me in the sense that we
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have just decided to dissolve our Board.
So I I
recognize that everyone is extremely frustrated. just wanted to make a few points that I'm not even
sure if our dissolving of our Board is legal, given that the question was only for people who were in favour. There was no question of who was opposed
to it or -SPEAKER: Yes, there was.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Yes there was. Oh, was there? Okay.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Okay. I just wanted kind of
to make that, make the point that in choosing to dissolve the Board as opposed to creating a certain number of committees to actually work together with them, that actually will create a huge challenge for us. From personal experience, I am heavily
involved in a number of committees, and in terms of transferring information over on very insignificant things, it's very, very difficult. And--
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: --I mean, in terms of having
a Board of Directors, if you have a lot of people that are on the Board of Directors, newly elected,
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that do not have any experience or knowledge of how the building runs, I'm just pointing out that there is going to be a significant amount of challenges involved. SPEAKER: point, people. That's a very, very prudent
Very prudent. I am just telling you guys. Dissolving the Board was
SPEAKER: SPEAKER: counterintuitive.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: point. We'll deal with it. SPEAKER:
You raise a good
I also wanted to make another
point, that everyone is complaining about how much they think -- (Inaudible) ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Quiet down. Shh. Couldn't hear you.
THE COURT REPORTER: SPEAKER:
Part of the advantage of Yes, it
living here is that rent is so affordable.
is very, very frustrating that we are paying for a service that we are not getting; however, also recognize that, that by proposing something as "easy" as refunding Internet -(inaudible)- that will actually take away from any other--
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SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Shh. --possible maintenance fees.
So, like, if you're complaining of, like, bugs in your building, if you're complaining -- or in your unit or mice in your unit, whatever money it is you're dipping into rent to reimburse people in the multi-units for not getting our Internet, that is going to affect you negatively. SPEAKER: The money should come from The company will
the company, not from the rent.
reimburse us for what happened here. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Yes. I think
choosing a Board to now deal with this -SPEAKER: Guys, will you keep it down,
I think choosing
a Board to now act as an interim Board and be open with everybody here is probably a very good way of achieving that. MR. SAM ICETON: Hey, everybody. My
I am running for the Board.
I will
not ever let any kind of shit like this happen again. SPEAKER: Woo.
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---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR: Thank you for sticking around. Taylor----(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Shh. --and I would love Hi, everybody. My name is Travis
MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR:
I've put a lot of hard work into
getting us to where we are today and I would really appreciate it if you'd help the whole membership out ----(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Shh. Your name? What's
THE COURT REPORTER:
SPEAKER:
What's your name? It's Travis.
MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR: Travis, T-r-a-v-i-s. SPEAKER:
Hang on, hang on.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Point of order. If you're
going to go on the Board,-MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: elect 12 people. We are going to
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SPEAKER:
--you have to ask yourself,
somebody has to nominate you and somebody has to second it first. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Absolutely. So
all we are really doing by people putting our names out is so people can nominate us, okay. SPEAKER: I second that. Okay. So we can
stand, but we need to be seconded and voted in, okay? SPEAKER: Okay. I second Travis's
My name's -- hang
My name's Eugene Lovelock and I would like I am going to run
very much to run for the Board.
for the Board and I would like your vote. MR. SAM ICETON: SPEAKER: SPEAKER: I second --
Second -Second nomination. Perfect. Hi, everyone.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY:
SPEAKER:
Woo. I want to run
MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY: for the Board, as well.
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---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Folks, folks.
When you're voting and you're choosing a candidate, on your ballot, please put your Member Number ----(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Can everybody quiet down,
This will go ten times faster if we just
listen and then do it all. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: When you're
voting and your choosing your candidates, please write on your ballot, your Member Number. SPEAKER: At the top? At the top of the Okay.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Thank you.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: It's Eugene, E-u-g-e-n-e. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. JEREMY KROEKER: My name is Jeremy Kroeker. SPEAKER: Guys, can we keep it down? I formerly was a Hello, everyone. L-o-v-e-l-o-c-k.
MR. JEREMY KROEKER:
Board of Director and due to a lot of frustration on my part -- or not on my part; that I
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experienced, I stepped down as a Board of Director -(inaudible)- and I would just like to, I would like to put out there that I would fully fight for transparency and none of this happens again, right. I felt like I was talking to a brick wall often when I was fighting my points on the Board. Without going into too much detail, I just
would like to be able to work with people that I can talk to and hear me out and I could fully be on the same page as them. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Second. Your name? Jeremy Kroeker,
MR. JEREMY KROEKER: J-e-r-e-m-y. SPEAKER: Louder.
MR. JEREMY KROEKER: SPEAKER: guys are blocking it. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK:
It's on the board. You
We can't see, though.
Okay, guys. There's going
There are some pens floating around.
to be some pens on the table up here and the ballot box is on the table. Make sure you put your Member That way,
Number on the top bar of your ballot.
we'll keep the ballots until the next AGM and it allows us to scrutinize that, make sure nobody has
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voted twice. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: My name is
Trevor Lachapelle and I've been a Member here for a while. I currently manage the -SPEAKER: we can hear him? Guys, can we keep it down, so
Sorry. And I've been
on the Board before and, like a lot of you, I've been really frustrated by this, so I want to make sure-SPEAKER: Can't see. --you guys vote
in an accountable Board, a Board that answers to and listens to the membership because, as you can see up there, it's the membership that runs the building, okay. membership. The Board takes direction from the
That's why there was some discussion I
about having the first Board meeting down here. think that's a great idea because that way-SPEAKER: We can't see. --people can
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: come and state their piece. SPEAKER: Seconded.
MR. CHRISTOPHER REID:
Seconded. I didn't
My name is Christopher Reid.
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expect to be doing this tonight; however, I've lived in this building for quite a number of years and experienced a number of injustices and witnessed a number of injustices; certainly personally experienced some myself and am aware of a lot of inefficiencies and a lot of rules that can be tweaked and adjusted for a responsible group that's prepared to be progressive and efficient. I'm actually a consultant and, and my title is Solutions Architect, so I'm very much focused on solutions. And having the experience in
living here for so long, I'm very excited to be a part of the progressive change. MR. SAM ICETON: Christopher Reid.
Seconded. Hey, guys.
MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY: Here's a random idea. for Management?
Could I please nominate Paul
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY: you are. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Paul has another job. Paul. You know what? I Paul, wherever
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO:
really, I really appreciate you guys coming out
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tonight.
And people have been leaving.
We want to
make sure that we keep quorum here at the meeting. SPEAKER: A few more minutes. A few more
MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: minutes, all we need.
I'm staff of the building, so I would have to resign my post as staff before I can work or sit on the Board. Management and the Board are two different things, so perhaps you... SPEAKER: Director -- okay. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: Yeah. So we could (Laughter) Oh. It has to be Board of
always look at Management another time.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: So in the future
perhaps, but we'll talk about some other things soon. Soon. MR. PAUL WILLIAMS: I'm also Paul. I study
I've been in the building since 2001. Politics and Public Admin at Ryerson. SPEAKER:
What's your last name? Williams. And I've
MR. PAUL WILLIAMS: sat on the Board at Ryerson.
You're probably
familiar with, with CESAR, right?
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SPEAKER: SPEAKER:
Yeah. Woo. Yeah. So I've been
MR. PAUL WILLIAMS:
in the building for a while and I've seen a lot of different things. What I propose is, I kind of
want to go towards more of -- I, I agree with accountability. I also think a certain amount of But I, my idea -
reform might be needed, as well.
I proposed it to Paul - is having some kind of, kind of a portal, like, that you can actually, people, people can actually communicate via the web. So, you know, things that up on the board, an
online -SPEAKER: Okay. An online suggestion
MR. PAUL WILLIAMS:
An online, yeah, I
social network, and I've been working on one.
have some contacts in the community for that, as well, so I, that's what I propose. And I think
that would have helped with, because technology -it's suggested that technology is the way forward. I think we could be very innovative in that way, and that's my kind of platform and solution, that I can see that can actually happen, so, yeah. I'm going for the Board.
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MR. CORY SWICK:
My name is Cory Swift.
I have lived in the building for an embarrassing too long of a time; at least 14 years. I've served
on the Board, Social Activity Committee, I've worked for Maintenance as well as Housekeeping. I've always been a very, very strong supporter of what is supposed to have been a co-operative -(Inaudible) THE COURT REPORTER: MR. CORY SWICK: SPEAKER: Can't hear you.
There was one time --
Speak louder, please. Thank you. There was
MR. CORY SWICK:
one time, actually, where -- I've heard so many people in this building who have encountered endless frustration, tried to make things better, and have hit a brick wall, basically. There was one time in particular First of all, you have to be a full-time There was a
student to move into this building.
gentleman who was evicted for deactivating the entire building's fire alarm system, let back into the building, wasn't even a student, and he was paired up in a two-bedroom apartment with myself, one of the Board Members who evicted him. (Laughter)
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---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. CORY SWICK: When I informed the
then-and-current Housing Coordinator, she literally giggled and said, 'Well, that's too bad. already signed a lease.' I then informed the building's administrator, the then-and-now one, who said, 'Well, I have no written documentation to support what you're claiming.' It was a terrible, it was a terrible But at any rate, I didn't run away from the That was just further He's
building at that point.
reason for me to stay here and sacrifice more of my years where I should be moved out of the building with kids and stuff, and that's the type of person I am. you. SPEAKER: Good. Okay. Next. Hi, everyone. Sorry. I moved in, I like to commit myself to you, so thank
MR. BRANDON ARKINSON:
My name is Brandon Arkinson. I'm currently on the Board.
Arkinson.
in the summer. decided on.
I wasn't here when the Internet was
I've done my best to work for the
Board, for the building. SPEAKER: Is it Arkinson?
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MR. BRANDON ARKINSON: Thanks.
With a "k".
I've tried to educate myself as I ran for the
much as I can into Board activities.
Board at Ryerson unsuccessfully, proposed a number of things that were communally based. I tried to
advocate for lower transit fares, for accountable (ph) exams that were posted beforehand, so that people could schedule their, their trips home or their trips around the Christmas holidays properly. I've tried to get as much Internet information as possible----(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Shh. --and I would
MR. BRANDON ARKINSON:
like to remain on the Board and do the best job I can for you guys, so I hope you consider me. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Well, let's do a
We've got one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven, eight, nine people, so we have room for four more people. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Four more? Three. Pardon me?
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Yeah. More
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people are allowed, so... SPEAKER: Need at least 12.
---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. KUMAR WILSON: hello, I suppose. new. All right. Well, I'm
My name is Kumar Wilson.
Came here in September.
I don't really know
much about all this other stuff. Basically, as a new resident, I come here and I see these smarmy-assed people running our building. Makes me really pissed. The fact
is, we still need people to step forward and help run this thing. This building has ridiculous
amounts of potential; the location, the price. Like, oh, my... It's why we're here, obviously.
Like, do you want to go live at Primrose where they charge you 1,500 bucks a month for a freakin' meal plan, to harass you when you're trying to light a dube and just freakin' chill? SPEAKER: Woo. Like, you know what (Laughter)
MR. KUMAR WILSON: I mean? Common?
Like, do you want to go live at Campus Have you seen their rooms? You want to
pay more for less space? SPEAKER: move. We're -(inaudible)- so let's
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MR. KUMAR WILSON:
I'm done, I'm done.
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: MR. KUMAR WILSON: you want my name, there it is. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE:
Thank you. If
--I'll help you.
Please, nobody
leave for the next five, ten minutes. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Yes. Please
don't leave the next five, ten minutes. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: close to quorum. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: to quorum and we'd like to finish. SPEAKER: Even if you've already voted, We're very close We're getting
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: already voted. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: quorum, this is all over. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK:
Even if you've
If we go below
Right.
So let's,
let's continue on and let's stick around, please. Is there anyone else who wants to come forward and run for the Board? MR. ADAM PELLS: stay on the Board if I can. I do. I'd like to
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I'm Adam.
I was on the Board before. I think I'm one of the
I would like to stay on. good guys.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER: Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: name, please. MR. ADAM PELLS:
Adam, spell your
A-d-a-m P-e-l-l-s. Okay. All the
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: candidates are up. themselves forward? MR. MAHDI KHADER:
Is anyone else willing to put
One more, one more. Okay.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: MR. MAHDI KHADER: I'm going to be the best.
My name is Mahdi.
---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Calm down, please. Say your name clearly, so we can get it Wait, wait, wait,
MR. MAHDI KHADER: M-a-h-d-i, Khader, K-h-a-d-e-r.
Mahdi Khader,
---(Multiple speakers interject.) SPEAKER: Can you guys just move a bit
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from the screen, so we could see it, the names? SPEAKER: Can you move? All right.
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: SPEAKER:
Can you guys -Everyone, can we
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: just calm down for a second? MR. SAM ICETON:
Everybody behind the
table, can you guys all, like, get out of the way of the screen, so everybody can know the names of the people that you're voting... All right. Now, one by one, all of us Our
are going go through and say our first names. last names are up there. Write it down. And
hopefully, this will take five more minutes and we're done. My name is Sam Iceton. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Lovelock. MR. KUMAR WILSON: Wilson. MR. PAUL WILLIAMS: Williams. MR. JEREMY KROEKER: Kroeker. MR. BRANDON ARKINSON: My name is My name is Jeremy My name is Paul My name is Kumar My name is Eugene
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Brandon Arkinson. MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY: Moathe El-Rabbany. MR. ADAM PELLS: MR. CORY SWICK: Adam Pells. My name is Cory Swick. My name is My name is
MR. CHRISTOPHER REID: Christopher Reid. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Lachapelle. MR. MAHDI KHADER: Khader. SPEAKER:
Trevor
My name is Mahdi
Don't forget your Member
Number on the top of your ballot. SPEAKER: Everybody make sure you have
your Member Number on your ballot. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: wonderful point. Everyone, please make sure you write your Member Number on the top of your ballot, okay. And I believe we now can start our vote and deposit our ballots. SPEAKER: and then you can go. ---(9:37 p.m.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Security... Enter your ballots up here Yes. That's a
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Someone just raised a very good point.
You might
want to stick around to see the results because once you deposit your ballots, Security is going to scrutinize them and we're going to put the results up for you, okay. SPEAKER: SPEAKER: Don't have time for this. You don't have to. You don't have
MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: to. You don't have to.
It will be posted, but if Just vote,
you're interested, stick around. please.
That's the most important thing. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: The results will
be posted on all the bulletin boards. MR. SAM ICETON: coming and saying your piece. Thanks so much for It was awesome.
Thanks, everybody, for coming out and just saying your piece and giving your opinion. I would just like to say thank you to everyone who came out here and stuck around for the whole thing. Really appreciate it. (Applause)
We're actually making a difference. ---(Multiple speakers interject with applause and cheering.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: Okay. I hear
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that the entire ballot has to be filled out, so ----(Multiple speakers interject.) MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK. ...we're good.
So we're going to go, folks, vote and let's get the results out on the board as soon as possible. SECURITY SUPERVISOR RODNEY: Ladies and
gentlemen, once everyone is done casting their votes, I'm going to be bringing out the ballot box. Me and other Security will be calculating all those ballots. THE COURT REPORTER: Can't hear you. It will
SECURITY SUPERVISOR RODNEY:
take approximately 20 minutes, so grab a coffee, go grab something to eat and come back in 20 minutes. Then we'll give you the results. MR. EUGENE LOVELOCK: much, Rodney. SPEAKER: court reporter? SECURITY OFFICER RODNEY: order. So, point of Can you repeat that to the Thank you very
My name is Rod, Head of Security. ---(Multiple speakers interject.) SECURITY OFFICER RODNEY: Basically,
what I'm stating is that the votes will be tallied in roughly 20 minutes or so.
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---(Ballots cast 9:40 p.m. - 9:52 p.m.) ---(Security Supervisor Rodney removes ballot box at 9:52 p.m.) MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Be back in 10
---Recess at 9:53 p.m. ---On resuming at 10:34 p.m. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Can everybody hear me? Okay. Got the okay.
(Laughter)
Eugene Lovelock, Travis Taylor, Sam Iceton, Jeremy Kroeker. Moathe... MR. SAM ICETON: (Laughter) MR. MOATHE EL-RABBANY: been looking. (Laughter) Trevor Trust me, I've Yep. There's only one Hope I said that right.
Lachapelle, Christopher Reid, Cory Swick, Brandon Arkinson, Kumar Wilson. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: girl staff on. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: SPEAKER: Stand by. We don't have any
Somebody had mentioned that,
Okay.
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SPEAKER:
It was me. Adam Pells, That's your new
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Paul Williams. That should be 12.
Board of Directors. Mahdi Khader. MR. PAUL TIRIMACCO: He's not even
SPEAKER:
Mahdi Khader. Okay. That was
MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: the 13th person. SPEAKER:
He was the guy who was like,
'I'm going to run,' and then didn't -MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: of votes, so he's off. SPEAKER: But we met -So-Lowest numbers
How many did we ---we had
I don't know what the number was.
Security has the number. SECURITY SUPERVISOR RODNEY: it was lower, but it was quorum. MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: Okay. So we You guys,
have the new Board, once again, just first names: Paul, Adam, Eugene, Travis, Sam, Jeremy, Moathe,
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Trevor, Christopher, Cory, Brandon, and Kumar. Congratulations, you all. SPEAKER: Congratulations.
---(Applause.) MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: for everybody coming out. meet over here? THE COURT REPORTER: need this recorded? MR. TREVOR LACHAPELLE: we're good. THE COURT REPORTER: MR. SAM ICETON: of your time. ---[ Whereupon the General Members' Meeting concluded at 10:36 p.m. ] -----------------------------------SUMMARY OF THE NOVEMBER 29, 2012 ELECTION RESULTS APPOINTING A NEW BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS FOLLOWS: NOMINEE NUMBER OF VOTES POSITION Trevor Lachapelle 19 votes President Eugene Lovelock 20 votes Vice-President Jeremy Kroeker 20 votes Secretary Adam Pells 19 votes Treasurer Christopher Reid 19 votes Liaison Officer Brandon Arkinson 20 votes Moathe El-Rubbany 20 votes Sam Iceton 19 votes Mahdi Khader 12 votes Cory Swick 18 votes Travis Taylor 20 votes Paul Williams 17 votes Kumar Wilson 20 votes ---------------------------------Okay. No. I think Trevor, do you Thanks again
And can the Board please
Thanks so much for all
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I, BONNIE LYNN VAN DER MEER, C.S.R., Certified Shorthand Reporter, hereby certify; That the foregoing proceedings were taken before me at the time and place therein set forth; That the proceedings were recorded stenographically by me and were thereafter transcribed by me; That the foregoing is a true and correct transcript of my shorthand notes so taken.
Dated this 7th day of December, 2012.
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November 29, 2012

Bonnie Lynn van der Meer, CSR

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

November 29, 2012

I just wanted to make one more

If there's a fire alarm, go to

follow their directions.

I don't know. stand or sit on the floor? SPEAKER:

Does everybody want to

Sit on the floor. I don't know how

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: we are going to do this.

I want to sit in this

chair, but if I do, then nobody is going to see me.

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

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Fine. You're fine?

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY: Somebody got that.

So who wants to talk? Go ahead, Mr. Swick.

Mr. Swick had his hand up.

MR. CORY SWICK:

Is there any chance

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

November 29, 2012

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:

And to save paper,

But if someone wants to go up on an

really hand them out.

with anybody taking a look, if ----(Interruption caused by security

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

November 29, 2012

It's understandable if So can

there's a paper restriction in the office.

guess, like, the question is kind of...

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

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welcome to have it for as long as you want.

MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: if...

It's not that it's free information.

MR. CHARLIE OSBORNE: exactly.

You can come up and read it right now; you can

MR. TRAVIS TAYLOR:

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

November 29, 2012

We've got all We've got

We've got the...

Where's the people who-TorIX. --actually called the

actually called the meeting?

CHAIR KEVIN BAILEY:

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

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Ask your question. Sorry, man. Where are the

the meeting tonight.

Now I want somebody who

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

November 29, 2012

One of the, one of the proposals out of

NEESON & ASSOCIATES COURT REPORTING 416.413.7755

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the three was selected by the Board.

proposal was from a company called Allstream.

fibre to the building. For those of you that... Fibre, it's a