GE Frame 5 gas turbine

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GE Frame 5 gas turbine

Posted by amir miraj on 18 April, 2008 - 1:51 am

Hello sir! I am Amir Mairaj, working as an Automation Technician in QAPCO Qatar (UAE). I am facing a great trouble for two months. Our gas turbine With Anasaldo Generator before general shut down of turbine was working very well, but after startup Delta T of Exhaust exceeds 30 to 40 degree celcius. We have already changed new Nozzles and also new axial compressor rotor and all 12 exhaust thermocouples. The distance of all thermocouples is also same, about 6 mm from piping and randomly thermocouples changed but the problem yet same as starting from zero. We also loop calibrated but loop is right. Please accomodate me to find right troubleshooting. I will be very thankful to you for this act of kindness. AMIR MAIRAJ AUTOMATION TECHNICIAN QAPCO QATAR CELL # +9745108495 WISHING YOU A HAPPY AND PEACEFUL LIFE EVERYWHERE.

Posted by CSA on 20 April, 2008 - 5:32 pm

What occurred during the "general shutdown"? A Combustion Inspection? A Hot Gas Path Inspection? A Major Inspection? You say the axial compressor rotor was changed, so the hot gas path hardware was likely at least "disturbed" at some point (removed and reassembled). You haven't said which fuel the unit is running on when this occurs? Or, does this happen on gas fuel *and* liquid fuel? If it's happening on liquid fuel, can you tell us the fuel pressures for each of the combustion cans from the selector valve/gauge near the Liq. Fuel Flow Divider? If it's happening on liquid fuel on a dual fuel (gas/liquid) machine, have you checked the Tell-tale Leakoff to see if any of the Atomizing Air Purge Check Valves are leaking? I've seen people change fuel nozzles but not liquid fuel or atomizing air purge check valves and still have the same problems. There's more to the fuel system, especially with liquid fuel systems, than just the fuel nozzle. I've also seen people randomly replace fuel nozzles without regard for trying to match flow characteristics and actually make the exhaust spread problem worse--on both gas and liquid fuels. Many Customers "flow match" fuel nozzles as a set, and they do this to ensure minimal exhaust spread problems due to fuel nozzle characteristics. Does the cold spot always stay in the same area? In other words, are the highest- and lowest T/C readings always in the same location? Can you tell us which T/Cs are hottest and which are coldest? If you've changed all the fuel nozzles (you didn't say how many or which ones you've changed) and you've tested the T/C inputs from the exhaust JBs to the turbine control panel with a mv or T/C simulator, and you've changed random T/Cs, and you've inspected the T/C insertion in the radiation shields in the exhaust plenum, then the problem is likely something wrong with the mechanical reassembly of the hot gas path components (combustion can "hula skirt" seals; nozzle side seals; transition piece seals; etc.) or there's something affecting the exhaust flow in the exhaust duct. I've seen very slight "modifications" to exhaust duct transitions from the gas turbine to a heat recovery steam generator cause air flow disruptions which caused lots of problems with exhaust temperature readings.

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GE Frame 5 gas turbine

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But, it sure doesn't seem like this problem is controls-related from what you've told us. Most exhaust temperature spreads are not controls-related, but disassembling the unit requires more effort than the things you've already done. And one wouldn't want to take the unit apart again only to find the problem was controls-related and didn't need to be disassembled. So, you've done about everything you can, and the problem seems to be pointing at a mechanical issue. We would appreciate it if you would let us know what is found to be the cause of the high exhaust temperature spreads.

Posted by Lamin A. Bulgassem on 26 August, 2008 - 12:49 am

Dear Sir, I have read your query regarding the exhaust temperature of your turbine. Although your report was not comprehensive for me to point where the problems which causes this. I believe your machine required fuel system calibrations to make sure the correct value of fuel ratio is relevant to the PCD value. However the predominant problem with your machine could be also to the wrong type of thermocouples installed in the unit. Anyway, the following checks may help you solving out your problem: 1 - Check your exhaust thermocouple type and make sure the correct type are fitted. 2 - Calibrate the fuel control System of the machine as per specification a. Refer to GE calibration specs. 3 - Check the PCD pressure and make sure the correct PCD pressure is obtained. 4 - Check the cooling Air Piping System orifices are correct. 5 - Check the Air shut off Vales and insure functioning correctly. 6 - Check for any air leakage. The above-mentioned procedures should be carried out in order to eliminate the fault and solve the problem, and I hope one of these could be the cause of the trouble to your machine. But it is not limited to these probable causes, and it could be something else and you have to move to other possible causes.

Posted by GTENG77 on 14 January, 2009 - 6:39 am

Assalamu'alaikum amir How about your problem with high exhaust temperature, could you share us what was actual cause? Thanks Deni A GT Engineer (E/I) Chevron Pacific Indonesia

Posted by stan on 12 April, 2009 - 12:25 pm

Try swapping the wiring from the lowest thermocouple to a different thermocouple and see if your problem moves with the wire swap if the swap does indicate that there truly is a temperature issue at least you have eliminated PLC input or transducer or wiring issues

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Posted by rvsaradhi on 13 April, 2009 - 2:55 am

Please check the accelration ramp setting and Check the fuel control system. Basically Exhaust temp shutdown means fuel will be more than it was required. Regards Rvsaradhi kuwai toil company instruemntation engineer kuwait export maintenace dept 61008 00965-23714605 Your use of this site is subject to the terms and conditions set forth under Legal Notices and the Privacy Policy. Please read those terms and conditions carefully. Subject to the rights expressly reserved to others under Legal Notices, the content of this site and the compilation thereof is 1999-2012 Nerds in Control, LLC. All rights reserved. Users of this site are benefiting from open source technologies, including PHP, MySQL and Apache. Be happy. Fortune A consultant is a person who borrows your watch, tells you what time it is, pockets the watch, and sends you a bill for it.

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