(Table) IAmA - I Grew Up in The Soviet Union During The Cold War - Tabled

[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled
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Verified? (This bot cannot verify AMAs just yet) Date: 2013-02-02 Link to submission (Has self-text) Link to my post Questions How were Americans perceived by people in the Soviet Union? What sort of things were said about "average Americans" by the government and the media? Answers American people were presented as two main classes. Class of capitalists who were ruling the country and hated us. The other class was of workers and peasants who were just like us. Capitalists were war thirsty evils who were so afraid of the spread of communism awareness that they were prepared to wage wars to stop it.The only good part was poor oppressed common people of US who did not have enough courage to revolt. Here is the example: It changed however when Gorbachev came into power and we saw the real picture which was of course different. We were so brainwashed and were not taught to think. We were blindly excepting and repeating the opinions already put in front of us by our teachers. Iron Curtain was doing its toll as well as I did not know any different and had no reason to doubt the official point of view. I was very patriotic when I was growing up.I am looking at North Korea now and I think that is
I know there are plenty of people who grew up and lived in the Soviet Union that completely supported Communism and to this day, would love it if it was back. Were you supportive of the Soviet Union while you were growing up? If so, would you want Communism to make a return? 1 of 22
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled make a return? now and I think that is probably very similar how they live there. I was 100% supportive of everything our leaders did. I would not like for Communism to return. I think it is not possible and was proved to fail, however the society with some socialist values would be ideal I think. Pretty much the complete opposite, however we were told that we had to compete in the arms race to protect the good people of the world from the Capitalist warmongers. The difference was we were told there would be no winners in a nuclear war.
American citizens were taught to believe that we'd win a nuclear war, capitalism was superior, and that they could survive a nuclear strike by hiding underneath desks. What things did your government tell you? I can understand if things weren't great in the Soviet Union, but I'm sure there were some good parts to your life there. What do you miss the most?
The kind of people that we were. It has gone once we started to get American chewing gum and jeans. People used to care after each other. I remember making 40 minutes journey to kinder garden on my own when I was 5. Apart from walking it involved 2 bus changes and crossing roads. None of my guardians ever thought I could be in danger. It was that safe!! I remember when I lost my tickets in Moscow and was sending a telegram to my relatives to send me the money someone in the queue saw the words in it
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled saw the words in it and just gave me the money, because I was in need. I remember my parents coming home after work with a stranger. Apparently, they saw him sleeping on the bench as he had no money for the hotel and his train was departing the next day. They thought he did not have to sleep on the bench as we had a folding bed we set up for him in the kitchen after giving him dinner. People trusted each other more and were more caring. Most did not care about materialistic things. Were you affected by Chernobyl? I am not sure if that counts or even if that was an effect from Chernobyl, but here is the story. Chernobyl is in Ukraine, however 70% of radioactive rains fell on Belarus territory within the first few months. I lived 400 km away from it, when it happened. My parents and myself went to live for 4 years in Mongolia 3 months after the disaster happened. Something peculiar happened there. About 10 months after the disaster mu mother started to loose her hair. She was a healthy woman and doctors could not find an explanation to that, neither could they cure it. She learnt to live wearing wig and has no hair even on her eyebrows
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled even on her eyebrows and eyelids for the last 25 years. Was it Chernobyl? I don't know. My Grandfather used to live within 200 km of Chernobyl. They were measuring radiation levels in his village and told the residents that it was not safe to live there. Apparently there was a radioactive patch there. No one allowed to grow food for sale in that area even now. My granddad refused to move out and lived there until 1996 and died aged 77. I have visited him few times within last 10 years of his life. They said the area was not clean - it is hard to understand when you don't see it From what I've heard, people in the United States were in constant fear of being attacked. Were people in the Soviet Union just as afraid? You have lived in both - east or west? Good and bad sides? Yes it was exactly the same. I had a personal issue gas mask and basic military education lessons from the age of ten. That was also the age I was shown how to shoot from a AK-74 Hard to say which is better. The good things about the east was that everyone in your community was more less equal. What you had everyone else had. People also had more moral values and everyone would help each other out in the community .I didnt know then but the bad thing was that we had less freedom of expressing our thoughts on any issues. In the west the bad thing is that sometimes people who
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled sometimes people who are a bit mad are free to do what they want which can affect society in bad ways. Quite often when you are in trouble you are on your own you dont get enough help. In the Soviet Union the state would look after you and your life could be planned many years ahead. The good things are the opportunities and choices that you have here in the west. Why was toilet paper in the USSR so rough? So that even the last arse would be red. Funnily enough Toilet paper was hard to come by and was indeed rough. Most people used old newspapers instead. Good Joke! The most exiting part to us was that we discovered a whole world that was hidden or distorted. The thing I enjoyed most after communism was freedom to travel where I want.
What was the one thing you were most excited about or what was the thing you most enjoyed after communism fell that you couldn't have prior? What is your present day view on communism?
I think that Communism is an Utopia. It is impossible to create a society where everyone would live abiding a set of rules driven by their consciousness alone. The simplified definition of communism for Soviet citizens was:It is when you give to the society all you can and take only what really need in return-no questions asked. I would prefer Capitalism with a Socialist front.
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled Socialist front. If you could go back to the 70's and move to America with your family, a house, a car, and a magical knowledge of american English, would you do it? Also, how do you feel about this picture? Link to zg.swl-clan.at. No I wouldnt, (I wouldnt even do it now as I am happy in The UK and America is a bit too extreme for me)In the 70s we didnt have a car or our own house. We bought our first TV in 1982 and it was Black and White! However I enjoyed that life and I wouldnt swap it for the American dream Also I enjoyed your comic. I felt very comfortable living in the USSR before the changes. That country and the society does not exist any more. Instead there is a lot of instability and people who went through a difficult transformation. I like to have stable and safe life. In the late 90's I came to UK to work and found the stability I was looking for. I feel comfortable here and this is my country now. My both children were born in London and I serve my new motherland by working for Metropolitan Police. Love my job and Londoners. I consider myself privileged to have two Motherlands. I am twice richer then most people because I have incorporated the best from both systems and very different cultures. Not always and not everywhere and not anything. In 70's Soviet Union started
If you enjoyed a simpler life more, why are you living in the UK and not a more "old fashioned" country?
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled almost anything to get a smuggled pair of blue jeans from the United States? I've always heard this, but I want to know whether it actually happened. Soviet Union started to trade oil and brought in some imported goods. There were people who had access to this stuff and corruption was of unbelievable proportions. It was a basic human nature to want to have something fashionable, that others could not get. Sometimes moral values were failing for those on a hunt for material gain. I believe it affected a small amount of people who lived in big cities and had foreign friends. I had my first pair of jeans in 1986 and it was not a big deal for me. My parents had them earlier. I remember that their cost about half month's salary (80 - 100 roubles) a pair if you were lucky enough to get it from the shop. It would cost considerably more from people who would find the opportunity to buy them for resale Nationalism was on a rise in the early 90s. It all died down as far as I know. There is a minority of Belorusians who are fussed about preserving the language and culture. Most people I meet when I visit see the future of Belarus tightly connected with Russia. the cultures are too similar, the history is so inseparable. As for the glorifying communism
A Social Democracy, or regulated Capitalsim. In terms of modern times, I wonder if somebody from Cuba would be willing to do some sort of AMA, last time I checked it was one of the few remaining 'Communist' Countries, that wasn't in reality under some
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled under some harsh dystopian rule. Also, since I note that you are from Belarus, what do you think of nationalism there? I watched a documentary on post Soviet Republics, apparently people there are upset that Communism is still glorified there and that it is pressed as more as an association of Russia than it's own state, leading nationalism to be at a low. Do you keep in much contact with Belarus still? Any bad things you see as a kid? glorifying communism - I used to live on the SOVETSKAYA STREET 200 meters away from LENIN SQUARE and the monument to LENIN. My parents still live there and last time I checked (April 2012) all of those were still there. However, the way it is viewed is not glorifying anything, but "what is the point to destroy something that was our history". If anything it is a good reminder. I think most people just not bothered about keep changing the names of the streets.
No actually not. All the bad things that I saw were the lawless times of transition from communist to market economy times. Mafia, racket, corruption, greed, despair. It was crazy and dangerous time life cost very little and everyone could only count on themselves to survive. Yes a few times. Last time in April 2012 with my wife and my son. I still have a big family living all over ex Soviet countries. They come to see me in the UK too. Yes, you can travel freely within Belarus and Russia - they have no borders like some EU countries.
Have you visited Belarus since?
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled in Europe still. How free is it? some EU countries. Until recently you would need a special permission to be able to go abroad, in fact just a stamp in your passport. That would refuse this stamp to people who are on bail for some criminal offences, or refuse to undergo National conscript service and stuff like that. Apparently, even that obstacle is taken off now. I cannot comment on how free is Belarus, I don't live there,though have my parents, relatives and friends living there. My impression is that it is an autocratic state, where majority doesn't mind that. Most feel safe to live in such state without interference from other countries. I am a strong believer that the people and not personalities are the driving force of the history. When and if Belarus and its people would be ready to change the way their live - they would be able to do it themselves. Look at the examples of Orange revolution in Ukraine and Rose revolution in Georgia. It has been orchestrated from the West and as such did not live long. It reverted back to pre-orange era in Ukraine and it seems that the same is happening in Georgia now. There were no restrictions for travelling within the
Where you able to visit other Bloc countries? 9 of 22
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Bloc countries? What were your experiences away from home while within the greater USSR?
travelling within the USSR (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Russia) , but travelling to other countries was a nightmare. Most citizens have never been abroad. As a teenager I was lucky to go to Mongolia with my parent s where my Dad went to work. It took them over 6 months to get the appropriate forms and medical tests done. They would have to have a good reputation and even family up to cousins was checked for reliability. It was considered to be a great honour to represent the USSR abroad. The place I lived in was close to Polish borders. I don't recall a single person who went there at the time. I would suspect a few did, however I saw none as I lived in a small town (200,000 people) in Belarus. In that town during Soviet times I never met any foreigners apart from in 1980 where all the trains from Western Europe passed through our town carrying Olympic Athletes to Moscow. Me and my Grandma went and brought flowers for the Athletes to make them feel welcome in our
Did people ever come from other countries like Poland?
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled feel welcome in our country, no one asked/forced us to do it. There were no restrictions for travelling within the USSR. Come on. Maybe one of your parents were high-ranking officials, but not for everyone. The only places you wouldnt be able to go to without good reason would be few towns involved with the production of sensitive military equipment, few towns around Baikanur( Space Rocket launch facility) for example. I am only talking about travel in the 70s and 80s, no restrictions just buy a ticket and go. Different story if you wanted to move and live in a different place, there would be a few obstacles. My Father was an engineer not a high ranked official by the way. I dont think that it is possible to take Russia back to Soviet/Communist days. However it is possible to regain the might and influence that the USSR had in its time and I think this is what Putin and most Russians want and so do I. The current world lacks polarity and as a result stability. Two or more powerful nations with differing opinions could make the world better and fairer. Yes I was. The only good part was poor oppressed common people of US who did not have enough courage to revolt. Here is the example: It changed however
What are your thoughts about Putin and his influences in the last years. Do you think he is attempting to take things back to the Soviet days?
Were you raised to think anything negative about america?
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It changed however when Gorbachev came into power. Were there any private houses in Belarus when you lived there? I am curious how a socialist system handles housing. Does everyone get the same sized home/apartment? Most people were living in the blocks of flats. However some were living in the private sector and had their own houses. I think it was a privilege of people connected with the countryside, farming. Living in the big industrial town you would have no option to purchase your own house there were not many built and you would never save enough for it. You would usually start your carrier at the factory. That would give you a room in the hostel or something like that and put you on the list for the flat/apartment. Depending on the area where you lived, you would probably work for that organisation for 6-9 years before you get municipal accommodation. Blocks of flats were built in accordance with 5 year plans made by party officials. There was never enough housing. Those living in their own houses would probably inherit them after living few mixed up generations under one roof for decades. My family never had their own property, not even a car, which was such a luxury. Yes that is true. You could only buy Soviet made car anyway. In the 80's the list would
I heard you had to apply for a car and wait for a time period. 12 of 22
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled time period. the 80's the list would be few years long if you wanted to buy it for the government price. There were people who bought cars and resold them. Your queue to get car could be quicker if you asked your granddad veteran of war to do it for you. That would have priveledges and their queue would be shorter - could buy a car within a year, if you had the money. He is my best politician of all the times and countries. He had the courage to admit inevitable and get the country away from the catastrophe of much more dramatic end. Most Soviet people associate him with the hardest time in their lives. Sad. He is one of the most sensible and charismatic people on the world stage. I don't think I watched or read any specific things about the life in Soviet Union. No. I know the best movie actually - Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears (1980) Moskva slezam ne verit (original title). This film won the Oscar. If there is anything you would like to learn about Soviet Union this one is the best reflection. Just the life of few ordinary citizens throughout couple of decades. It covers only 60s and 70s, but this is the country I remember
Gorbachev seems to be despised by former citizens of the Soviet Union, what is your opinion of him?
Best book/movie of what it was like in the Soviet Union?
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled country I remember and love. If you have read 1984, how similar was the USSR to the setting in the book? I haven't read 1984, but I know what it's about. I personally lived in such a bubble that i didn't feel that it was a 1984 type society. Yes anyone could go to an university. All you needed to do was finish ten years of school and pass entrance exams. Usually for 4 or 5 subjects. It's absolutely free, free place in a hostel, bursary money and guess what? At the end guaranteed work placement when you leave if you wanted it. It might not be the best working place or in a nice big city, but it was there if you needed it. Your new workplace would be responsible for finding your accommodation if you needed it. I love Polish neighbours. I think we have so much in common. I was born 250 km away from Polish border. I like Poland without politics and believe it should stay that way. When you start looking at the history - not so great. I am not the one to judge, but I think great mistakes were done on both sides. I was born in West Belarus, which some Polish people would remember as Eastern Rech Pospolita. Some still like to think that they
How did the education system work in the USSR? Could anyone go to a university? If not, how did one do it?
How do you feel about your Polish neighbors? Antagonists? Or brothers separated by a border?
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like to think that they have the right for that land. I have met many older Beloarussians who used to live under Poland. Most of them remeber it was not great. Polish masters had no consideration for Belorussian language and culture and treated peasants like slaves. In 1939 when Soviet Army went in West Belarus, common people genuinely were happy to be liberated from Polish oppression. I think some started changing their minds when the horror of communist oppression started to sink in, however the war started in 1941 and up to 1/3 of civil population of Belarus died as a result of that war. You cannot look back and have the grudge at either Polish or Russians. I believe we are all very close Slavic people and should be brothers. I have many Polish friends in UK. We never even get to discuss the past and the history - pointless. What is your opinion of the original Marxist ideology, as opposed to how it was implemented, if there is a difference? And is there really a difference? I think it is very complicated. Even for the young communist as I was. My opinion is that you cannot predict the way the society will evolve and nudge it in that direction. Marx created some sort of a BIBLE by writing "THE CAPITAL" and "COMMUNISM MANIFESTO". Like the BIBLE it was so complicated and open
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled complicated and open to interpretations. I do not think anyone can honestly say that know exactly what were Marx's intentions and how he saw the future world. Communists in Soviet Union like priests in the church tried to find instructions in that book for every aspect of everyday's life. I think for ideology to be alive ( the same as religion) it should adapt to any current situation and be fairly flexible to satisfy the majority. What was the justification for calling the capitalists "warmongers"? The Americans at least withdrew from the territory they had conquered during WWII. Not my words Soviet Propagandas To be honest its hard to disagree considering Americas involvement in every conflict since WWII(Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, El Salvador, Honduras even Afghanistan in the 80s) There were 2 types of passports in Soviet Union and after it internal and external for going abroad. For some strange reason, after USSR collapsed all the independent republics kept using the old blank passports for few years. The copy I provided was my external passport issued by independent Republic of Belarus in 1995. You would have to be born in the USSR to be issued with that. I still have my internal USSR passport somewhere which was my first
I have heard that the architecture was very peculiar, in the sense that if there was one good building it was to be rebuild the same way, 5 times, in a row. Is this true? And how well were the buildings maintained?
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled which was my first passport at the age of 16. It is all in Russian though . Are you working in Border Control by any chance? You should be a detective - well done for spotting that! Also, not to criticize you but wasn't the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991? Your certificate says 1995. You are right about the buildings. It was just mass production the easiest way to build is to create one design and copy it across the country. There is a cult movie in USSR when one lad just moved in to a new district new block of flats of Moscow in about 1980. Then he went to sauna with his friends just before New Year, got drunk and accidently they got him on the plane to Leningrad instead of someone else. When he arrived in that city, he took a taxi and gave him his address. The driver took him to the same street name and the same apartment block number, but in Leningrad - not in Moscow. The area was so similar - he did not even spot the difference. The block was the exact copy and even his keys matched the door lock. The rest was just pure comedy. It is called The Irony Of Fate and it was filmed in 1976. I do not know if there is a subtitled English version, but I managed to find animated intro to the movie. Click on the
Thanks for the reply! I do not work in Border Control, but I am very interested in the Soviet Union and the scientific research that happened in the 17 of 22
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled happened in the area. Also the movie that you described sounds very funny, do you remember the name of it? In Belarus, is there genuine popular support for Lukashenka, or is he incredibly unpopular? I've been told that, though there is a lot of vote rigging, it isn't quite as simple as a dictatorship. movie. Click on the link to watch it
Last time I went there (April 2012) I met mainly two types of people. One type which support him one hundred percent and call him father of the nation, and another type which could see no worthy alternative to him as they believe current opposition to be heavily sponsored by the west and doesn't reflect the aspirations of the people. Both types would vote Lukashenka- better the devil you know than the devil you don't. I think the country is so far from a market economy that most people are too scared to turn back and go through the horrors of shock therapy neighbouring states went through some time ago. I love Georgians. They have such a unique culture. I think Russians adore their cute accent. By the way, I think it is the only nation in the world which calls the father - MAMA, and the mother - PAPA. I don't know what happened recently, I mean last 20 years. I remember when USSR was collapsing, Russia was supporting some separatist movements within Georgia. In
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled republics. within Georgia. In return, Georgian government started to support Chechens when they wanted independence. As for the influence, it seems that like in older days it is again either American or Russian influence and I can relate to the feeling that it is better to step up and try to be in control in bordering regions, rather then let very remote and alien US to fill the gap? I came from Belarus which have greater integration with Russia then any other ex republic, which is build on a very different and fairer base. I think it is the way forward for a few other countries in the region - if they want it! There is not that much bullying any more from Russia and countries have choices (that does not necessarily apply to Georgia. I am not happy about Russian attitude towards breakaway regions) Very different in many ways. Culture, climate. Most importantly, Mongolians had much lower living conditions and it made us soviet people apreciate more what we had in the USSR. Sorry but I honestly don't know. I live in the UK but I wouldn't call myself a brain. It is very difficult for people in Belarus to find ways to go and
How was living in Mongolia different from living in Belarus?
Is there are brain drain happening in Belarus? Where the people with smarts and ambition leave
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled ambition leave the country? find ways to go and work/live abroad unless it's in Russia or Ukraine No, I find it cute! It is a very Russian quality - to be able to laugh at ourselves. "In Soviet Russia" has got very little connection with the reality and it is funny in different way. Funny to see what people think Soviet Russia was. Its the same as some Americans used to think that bears were wondering the streets of Moscow and other stereotypes.. It was extremely popular and I was a fan as well. I watched Moscow Music Peace Festival on TV. I was not lucky enough to go to Luzhniki Stadium to watch it. That was my kind of music at the time. I think most young people in USSR at that time were discovering rock and hard rock music without limits. The soloist of GORKY PARK - Alexander Marshal is still singing, but he is a pop artist now. If you are asking about the language ENGLISH. It is simple and precise. The best language for instructions hence making sense.. Russian is beautiful in poetry though! No I haven't, thanks for mentioning I will look in to it.
Do you hate the "In Soviet Russia..." meme?
Did you ever see the Russian hard rock band Gorky Park in concert in the late 80's? If so, what was the public/private opinion towards them? And did you see the Moscow Music Peace Festival?
What makes more sense, English or Russian?
Have you ever read "Russian Disco" by Wladimir 20 of 22
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[Table] IAmA: I grew up in the Soviet Union during the Cold War : tabled Wladimir Kaminer? Were you shocked the first time you went outside Soviet? No I was not shocked, just excited. By the time I went outside Soviet Union I have already seen what the life was like on TV and met other people who have been some places. I was just excited to see it with my own eyes. A bit like if you saw Egyptian Pyramids many times in the books or TV and one day actually went and saw them in front of you? Privet zemlyak!
, Lets imagine, its the 80's you get to see a propaganda video of the U.S lifestyle. and its shown everything, that the average family owned at that time. What would have gone trough your head after you saw that video.
I believe I have seen those propaganda documentaries. Inevitably, they had Soviet commentaries. I just would not believe that a common US citizen would have such an easy and relaxed life and have so much opportunities. We were told that all the luxuries were affordable only by the rich and it was achieved via centuries of slave driving ordinary American people and other peace loving nations. Basically, I would view those films as "The propaganda" and nothing common with the real life. In Soviet Russia president assasinates you!
In soviet russia... you don't wear earmuffs...
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earmuffs wear you. Do you see similarities between the rhetoric of democrat politicians in the US and the communists of Belarus? Sorry, I cannot comment as I do not follow US domestic politics a lot. Sorry to dissapoint.
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Is it true that people in the USSR used do almost anything 6 of 22

Have you visited Belarus since?

Where you able to visit other Bloc countries? 9 of 22

Did people ever come from other countries like Poland?

Were you raised to think anything negative about america?

Best book/movie of what it was like in the Soviet Union?

How was living in Mongolia different from living in Belarus?

Do you hate the "In Soviet Russia..." meme?

What makes more sense, English or Russian?

Have you ever read "Russian Disco" by Wladimir 20 of 22

In soviet russia... you don't wear earmuffs...

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