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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced.
Page Discussion History CorporalPunishmentasdescribedbytheCollinsDictionaryandThesaurus(inonevolume1990)is"punishmentofaphysical naturesuchascaning".Thetermmainlyrelatestochildrenbeingpunishedatschoolbutcanalsorefertochildrenbeingpunished athome.Asof2008corporalpunishmenthasbeenbannedin24countries,includingGermany,GreeceandtheNetherlands. Nevetheless,itisstillwidelyusedbyparentsintheirhomes.IntheUK,corporalpunishmenthasbeenbannedinschoolsfor numerousyears.Howeveradebateisnowarisingastowhetherthedecisiontobancorporalpunishmentinschoolswastheright decisionandhence,whethercorporalpunishmentshouldbereintroduced?

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1. badbehaviourisontheincreaseintheclassroom 2. therehasbeenanincreaseincrime 3. thereisalackoffatherfiguesinthehome 4. othersanctionshavenoeffect 5. rightscultureneedstobeimpeded 6. itwillimprovethelivesofthosewhoarebullied 7. Asbo'sdontworkswiftpunishmentmaypreventbadbehaviourlater 8. itworks! 9. Montaigne 10. Theadministrationofcorporalpunishmentmadeusgrowuptobecomeresponsiblecitizen. 11. Itdependsonhowtheactualpunishementisadministered 12. itmakesadirectlinkbetweenabehavioranditsbadconsequences

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1. Ithasbeenmadeillegalinsomanycountriesforareason. 2. Itincreasestherateofcrimeandviolence. 3. Ithasnegativepsychologicaleffects. 4. Itiswrongandinappropriate. 5. harmschildrenwithgenuinebehaviouraldisordersorotherdisabilities 6. Currentlylegalin21states.Whereisthebetterment? 7. oldcorp 8. Ithinkcorpralpunishmentshouldbeeleagleineverycountry. 9. Itbringsfearintheperson 10. itmakesthevictimhardend 11. itcanleadtodeath 12. Forchildren,actionsspeaklouderthanwords.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... badbehaviourisontheincreaseintheclass room

InasurveycompletedbytheTimesEducational supplement(1),6000teacherswerequestioned.Oneinfive believedthatclassroombehaviourhaddeterioratedsince theabolitionofcorporalpunishmentandtheybelievedthe educationsystemwouldimprovewiththereintroductionof corporalpunishment.Weshouldadheretotheteachers requests. Oneinfiveteachers?Thatisthealsothefigurethenofhow manyteachersneedmoretraining!Theonlyreasonwhya minorityofteacherswanttoseeareintroductionofcorporal punishmentisbecausetheydonothaveanyeffective disciplinemethodsundertheirbelts.Theanswer?More training,notresortingtocorporalpunishment.Also rememberthatschoolisforlearninganditistheteachers jobifthestudentsaredoingpoorly.CorporatePunishment (1) isjustandexcuseforteacherstowhipandhurtpeople http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/3123827/Teachers Bringbackthecanetorestoreorderinschools.html OldCorp frustratedandafraidigrow oursocietyindecline discipline,personalresponsibility onlyfewadhereto howfarmustthependulumswing isthiswhen,enoughisenough! learnwemustfrompastmisfortunes oureldersabusedandtakenfor, thoselockedrooms,monstersbehindunchecked horrorslived,compassiongrowed,forcedupon Justly!theCorporaldishonourablydischarged now!todaylegacyapparent ouryouthgrowingwithout theCorporalswatchfuleye timeouts,detention starstoearn... alltoworrybout!!! muchwehavelearnt evidencemounting... rememberorimagine forthosewhoneverfelt, theCorporalshoveringhandonwatch lol...oneweighedupquicksmart ifsacrificewasworth,oldCorpslovingtouch andwedid,atthatyoungage decidetotake'one'foranoblecourse consequencelearned,schooledwasi steeredbyournegligence/wisdom! ourimpressionableyouthoutofbalance drowningemincompassion we'vegotitassbout beforegrowed,before'it'earned seeouryouthlost initiatedwanting selfinflictedsearch,acryforhelp manshammereroffatehovering? toolate,whencrashes shortlifelostknowingnoconsequences shortlifelost...whenschooledonstreets longlife...serving,consequencelearned thePendulumoutofcontrol riskingdestruction come!!! letusstandup!letusunite reinlisttheCorporal... reinventtheoldbastard...ourfuturebegs!

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stoppreaching,theyhavetomaketheirownmistakes wemustshowwisdomtoaidinthis! givethemthetoolsforthisjourney.. RPLourchildren/investinthefuture whencomingofage,whenthechemicalshit,naturalor manmade OldCorp'strainingjustmightsavethatyouthfromthedaily horrors/challengesofoursociety civilisedoruncivilised pleasedefine! atalossiam...

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... therehasbeenanincreaseincrime

Itisinevitablethatbadclassroombehaviourwillfilterinto lifeoutsideschool.Youonlyhavetolookatthecrime statisticstoseethatcrimehasincreaseddramatically sincetheabolitionofcorporalpunishment.Between1981, whencorporalpunishmentwaslegalandin1997,afterthe abolitionofcorporalpunishment,therewasa67%increase incrime(1). (1)http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/digest4/chapter1.pdf Additionally,theU.K.'sbanningofcorporalpunishmentis notattachedtoapropagandawebsitecalled nospanking.comandportraysamoreconvincingargument forreintroducingcorporalpunishmentsinceitclearly documentscrimestatisticsbeforeandaftertheabolitionof corporalpunishmentinschools.Ontheotherhand,the opposingargumentcontradictsitself.Howcanyourefute thattheabolitionofcorporalpunishmenthasnotledtoan increaseincrimebecauseofvaryingfactorswhenthecase thatyoucitetosupportyourargumentissobiasedand overlooksalargenumberoffactorssuchaspoverty,drop outs,consistentuseofpaddling,perceivedfairnessof paddling,credibleorqualifiedteachers,etc.Howcanyou realisticallyargueagainstacorporalpunishmentthathas successfullybeenusedforthousandsofyearsinhomeand withouttodisciplinechildren?It'sworkedforallthistime andmanagedtocreatefairlydecent,responsiblehuman beingswithouttraumatizingthem. ProSpankingResearch: AstudypublishedintheAkronLawReviewin2009 examinedcriminalrecordsandfoundthatchildrenraised wherealegalbanonparentalcorporalpunishmentisin effectaremuchmorelikelytobeinvolvedincrime. Forexample,inSwedenenlightenedparentingseemsto haveproducedincreasedviolencelater.Swedishteen violenceskyrocketedintheearly1990s,whenchildrenthat hadgrownupentirelyunderthespankingbanfirstbecame teenagers,Fullernoted.Preadolescentsandteenagers underfifteenstartedbecomingevenmoreviolenttoward theirpeers.By1994,thenumberofyouthcriminalassaults hadincreasedbysixtimesthe1984rate. ... MargaretGunnoein1997publishedworkshowingthat Youcannotsinglehandedlyblamethebanningofcorporal punishmentfortherapidriseincrime.Therearemany factors,andthereisnothingthatdefinitivelyshowsthat thereisalinkbetweenthebanningofcorporalpunishment andtheriseincrime.Therearemanythingsthathave changedandtheriseincrimeisacombinationofsomeor maybeevenallofthesefactors,thingslikeincreasein population,increasinglivingexpectations,thepoorandthe richlivinginacloseproximity.Weshouldnotbringback corporalpunishmentonawhimthatitmaypossibly decreasethelevelsofcrime. Also,thistheorywastestedinAmerica,whereit'sflipped aroundandthestatesintheUSthathadcorporal punishmentwerethestateswiththehighestmurderrates. Thoseeightpaddlingstatesare.inorderbymurderrate: Louisiana,whichhasthehighestmurderrateinthenation (6thinthenationbypercentageofstudentsstruckby educators)Mississippi,whichhasthe2ndhighestmurder rateinthenation(1stbypercentageofstudentsstruckby educators)Georgia.whichhasthe4thhighestmurderrate (7thinthenationbypercentageofstudentsstruckby educators)AlabamaandNewMexico,tiedwiththe5th highestmurderrateinthenation(3rdand10th, respectively,bypercentageofstudentsstruckby educators)Tennessee,whichhasthe7thhighestmurder rate(4thbypercentageofstudentsstruckbyeducators) andNorthCarolinaandArizona,whicharetiedwiththe9th highestmurderrateinthenation(12thand18th, respectively,bypercentageofstudentsstruckby educators).Thetwononpaddlingstatesare:Maryland, whichhasthe4thhighestmurderrateandIllinois,whichis tiedwithTennesseewiththe7thhighestmurderrate. MurderRate(lowest): Ofthestateswiththetenlowestmurderratesinthenation, educatorspaddlechildreninoneofthem. ThatpaddlingstateisIdaho,whichhasthe3rdlowest murderrate(18thbypercentageofstudentshit). Theninenonpaddlingstatesare:NorthDakota,whichhas thelowestmurderrateinthenationSouthDakota,which hasthe2ndlowestmurderrateMaine,whichistiedwith Idahowiththe3rdlowestmurderrateVermont,withthe5th

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lowestmurderrateIowa,withthe6thlowestmurderrate NewHampshire,withthe7thlowestmurderrateMontana, withthe8thlowestmurderrateUtah,whichhasthe9th lowestmurderrateandOregonandMassachusetts,which aretiedwiththe10thlowestmurderrate. http://www.nospank.net/correlationstudy.htm

customaryspankingreducedaggression,butitwentlargely unnoticedbythemediabecauseitcontradictedmainstream opinion.Ofcourse,weallknowthataggressionisoftenthe mainculpritinviolentcrime. ... Dr.DianaBaumrindoftheUniversityofCalifornia,Berkeley alsofoundthatchildrenwhowereneverspankedtendedto havebehavioralproblems,andwerenotmorecompetent thantheirpeers.Thissupportstheviewthatbanning spankingwouldleadtoanincreaseincrime. http://www.newsmax.com/US/spankingstudieschildren spock/2010/01/07/id/345669

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... thereisalackoffatherfiguesinthehome

Inthefamily,thereoncewasastrongmalefigurethat childrenwouldfear.However,withtheincreaseinsingle parentfamilies,oftenconsistingofamother,thatfigurehas gone.Childrenfearnothingthesedaysandthe reintroductionofcorporalpunishmentwouldgivethemsome fearandthiswouldcurbdisruptivebehaviourinthe classroom. Awomancannotrealisticallybebothmotherandfatherno matterhowhardshemaytry.Childrenalsorealizethisand alotoftheiractingoutisbecausetheyfeelneglectedby theirfathers.Itisnotsexisttoconsidertheimportanceboth setsofparentsplayinachild'sdevelopment.Justlikea fathercannotbeamothertohiskidsneithercanyou expectamothertobeafathertoherkids.Cateringtoone roleishardenoughasitis. Theeducationsystemcannotbeacompletesubstitutefor poorparenting,thoughithasaparttoplay.Schoolsmay completesocialinstruction,butwhatweseenowisalack ofevenit'smostfundamentalaspects,andworkon repairingthismuststartinthehome,wherechildrenlearn byexamplefromtheirparents. p.s.thatisalsosexistthereisnoreasonawomancannot taketheroleofthefatherfigure.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... othersanctionshavenoeffect

Itisallwellandgoodthoseonthesidelinessayingthat givingchildrenasmallwrapontheknucklesismorally outrageousbuttheyarenottheoneswhowitnessappalling behaviourintheclassroom. Ifyouasktheteachers,thoseonthefrontlineofdisruptive students,arecurringcommentisthatwithcorporal punishmentofftheagenda,therearenosanctionsavailable toteachersforthemoststubbornofterrors! Itistruethatteacherscannothitchildrenbutthiswas becausebeforehand,theyabusedtheirpoweronoccasions andthiscannotbetoleratedinsociety.Thelawisthere simplytoprotectthechildren.Clearlyifteacherscannotget childrentobehaveusingcorrectbehaviouraltechniquesand beingstrictbutwithoutpunishmentphysicallythenclearly theyarenotasqualifiedasweoncethoughttohandle children.gugug

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... rightscultureneedstobeimpeded

Childrensbehaviourhasbeenadverselyaffectedbythe rightsculturewehaveinBritain.Ateachercannotthreaten adetention,somethingtheyareallowedtodo,withoutthe retortofbutyoucan'ttakeawaymyfreedom,youhave norightorIhaverights.Infactchildrenareacutelyaware ofhowmuchpowertheyhaveovertheteachersbywayof lawsandrights,andtheyuseeveryopportunitytoremind theteachersofthatfact.Ifwereintroducedcorporal punishmentthisbackchatwouldceaseandthepower wouldberetainedbytheteachers. Anddetentionisnotgoingtobetakenseriouslybyanyone. Whatdoesdetentiondootherthanwasteyourtime?Ifyou haveADHDoracreativemindyou'llhaveablast, effectivelylearningnothingto*correct*yourbehavior.Ifthis Teacherscanimposeadetention,regardsofthechild's retort.Teachers*do*havethisauthority.

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istheonlyeffectiveauthorityateacherhasforanoutof controlstudentthenthatteacherisandprobablyknows his/herauthorityisratherpitiful.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... itwillimprovethelivesofthosewhoare bullied

Thereisarealfeelingamongstthosewhoarebulliedthat tellingtheteacherwillworsentheproblem,notmakeit better.Victimsofbullyingfearrepercussions.However,if therewasasystemofcorporalpunishmentbehindthe teachers,thensomethingcouldbedonewhichwouldscare thebulliesoutoftheirbullyingways.Thiswouldopenbully victimsupastheywoulddiscussbullyingissueswith teachersknowingthatsomethingdefinitivecouldbedone. Ifachildthinksit'sokaytohitbecauseateacheroradult usescorporalpunishmentthenthatchildisslowandfailsto realizethepurposeandmeaningbehindsuchanaction. Besidesagoodandeffectiveteacherisnotgoingtouse corporalpunishmentallthetime,butasalastresortwhen allelsefails.Athreatisnogoodunlessthereissome fearfultruthbehindit. Also,teachersareonlyignoranttobullyingmattersbecause theyknowtheycannotrealisticallydomuchtostopit.Soin effect,bullyinghasgottenalotmeaner. Oftenwhennothingisdoneaboutbullyingitisactuallythe teachersbeingignoranttothegoingsonoftheplayground. Theteachercouldjustaseasilywiththatpowerturnaround andstrikethebulliedchildsayforexampleiftheyarefrom abadbackgroundwhoarenotlikedbytheteacher,yetstill bulliedbytheirpeers.Havingauthoritywouldnot necessarilymaketeachersdotherightthing.Oftenwiththe authoritythattheypossessnow,teachersfailtocombat bullyinggivingthemmorewillnotnecessarilysolvethe issue. Actually,whenteachershit,itactuallyletsthechildthink thatviolenceisokayandthantheytakeitoutonothers.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Asbo'sdontworkswiftpunishmentmay preventbadbehaviourlater

Thisisapersonalview,butIamsureifthecanehadbeen retainedinschoolstheobsceneandviolentbehaviourthat toomanyyoungpeopeengageinwouldnottakeplace todayifthatbehaviourhadresultedinthembeingpunished Aexclusionoranasboisseenasabadgeofhonourno threat Areteachersnotaccountable? Sumtimzteechersgettooangryandbeetthemtoohardly andduetothisthestudentsgetascarededoftheteachers totellsomethinglikesomeoneisbullyinghim/her,someone isspeakingbadwords.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... itworks!

Corporalpunishmentisthemosteffectivewayof maintainingschooldisciplineanddealingwithjuvenile crime. Iwenttoaninnercitycoeducationalprimaryschoolinan industrialareaduringthelate1950s/early1960s.Academic standardswerehigh.Between30%and35%ofitspupils passedthe11+andwenttogrammarschool. Disciplinewasstrict.Theheadmistresscanedorslippered boysandgirlsonthebottom.Corporalpunishmentwas usedforminorinfringementsofrules,fordeliberatedefiance andtopreventprosecutionforcriminaloffences.Itwas moreofadeterrentforgirlsthanitwasforboyswhowere alwayschallengingauthorityandgettingintomischief.Iand threeotherboysreceivedsixofthebestfordisrupting lessonsandrefusingtodohomework.Notwantingtobe canedagain,wesettleddown,workedhardandpassedthe 11+. Nottocallyouold,butthe1950s/1960swasalongtime ago.Astimechanges,sodoproblemsandthewayyou dealwiththem.ArecentDr.Philshowexplainedtheeffects ofcorporalpunishmentperfectly.Somechildrenrespondto itbutothersrespondnegativelytoit.Ifachildreally respondsnegativelytoit,thenyouhaveaworseproblem thanyoustartedwith. Mentalillnessismuchmoreprevalenttodaythanitwasin the1950s/1960s.Ifastudentisactingoutduetomental illnessandtheyarepunishedforit,thatwillmakethe mentalillnessworse. Ifwehaveastudentthatisabouttobecomeaschool shooter,afewsmacksisnotgoingtostopthem.Itwould justmakethemmoreangryandaggressive,ifanything. Also,culturehadbecomemore"mecentered".Peopleare muchmoreselfcenteredandselfishnowthaninthe

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1950s/1960s.It'salotmorelikelynowthatateacherwill abusetheirpowerthaninthe1950s/1960s.Ifateacher abusestheirpower,studentswillbeabused.Thiswillcause evenmoretroublethanthecorporalpunishmentwas supposetofix.Also,astudentcanfalselyclaimthatthey wereabusedbyateacher.Thiscouldruintheteacher's careerandlowerthechancesofthemgettinganotherjob. Icouldcontinuewiththeproblemsofcorporalpunishment butIwon'tfortime'ssake.Therearetoomanyproblemsfor corporalpunishmentstobebroughtbackinallschoolsin today'ssociety. Actuallyyes,ifyou'relookingforyearsthatfarfromnow, youareprobablyrealllllllyold.

Theschool'smajordisciplinaryproblemswerecausedby tenandelevenyearoldCstreampupilswholivedonanew councilhousingestateAtthebeginningoftheautumnterm, theboysorganisedplaygroundprotectionrackets.Some carriedflickknivesorknuckledustersgiventothemby elderbrotherswhohadbeeninprisonorborstal.One teacherwasattackedwithabrokenbottle.Although uninjured,hehadanervousbreakdownandwasawayfrom schoolfortwoterms.Girlshadjamandmarmaladerubbed intotheirhair.Bothboysandgirlshadtheirclothesslashed withflickknives. Classroomswerevandalisedandontwooccasionsboys werecaughtsettingfiretocoatsinthecloakroom.Atthe timechildrenasyoungassevencouldbeprosecutedand senttoapprovedschool.Theheadwasputundergreat pressurebythestaffandthelocalauthoritytoinvolvethe policeintheseincidentsbutshealwaysrefused.Unlike manyheadteachers,sheacceptedresponsibilityforher pupilsbehaviouroutofschoolhours.Mostweekendsshe wascalledtothepolicestationtodealwithgirlscaught shopliftingandboysarrestedforassaultorvandalism. Oftentheonlywayshecouldpersuadethevictimto withdrawthechargeswastoagreetocanethedelinquents andthepunishmentswerecarriedoutatschoolwith parentalconsent. Usingcorporalpunishmentefficientlyandeffectively,she keptthemembersoftheschoolscriminalfraternityoutof thejusticesystemgivingthemachancetoescapefrom theirbackgroundsandmakesomethingoftheirlives.One boywhowascanedforvandalismobtainedadegreein engineering.Anotherwhohadbeenwhackedforrubbing marmaladeintoagirlshairwenttouniversityandgraduated withadegreeineconomics. BecauseDr.PhilissuchanexpertIguesshisexpertiseis wiserthanourancestorsandourelderswhohave effectivelyusedcorporalpunishmenttodisciplinetheir childrenourparentsandgrandparentseven.Ifwewereto listentothemtheywouldtellusthatcorporalpunishmentis notforeverybodybecausesomechildrencanbesettled withareprimandanddisapprovinglook.Thatbeingsaid, theywouldstillrelyontheexpediencyofthecanebecause allsomeofthesebadkidsneedisagoodspanking.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Montaigne

IbelieveinCorporalPunishment.Itisveryeffective.Yes,it istruethatsomePrincipalsgowayoverboardusingtoo muchforcetowherekidsgetbrokenbonesandsenttothe hospital.ButwhenIwaspaddled,ithurt,andtherewas trustandrespectfortheprincipalthatIhad.Myparents allowedtheprincipaltopaddleme.Ionlywaspaddledone time.Iwasaverygoodkidinschool.Iaminmy30'sand stillhaven'tbeenintrouble.Thepaddlewaswhatsavedme fromdoingwrong.Ionlywishthatwecouldusepaddlingin ourcourtsystemtooandforadultswhodominorthings insteadofgoingtojail.Itwouldbe5swatsperbuttock, maleorfemale.Orwhynothavearobospanker,which lastsupto15minutesandspanksyouuntilyour15 minutesareup.?Thatisagreatidea.Iwouldratherhavea stingtomybuttforafewdaysthanbeinjail.Theeconomy ishurting.TheRobospankerlocksyourwristsinplaceyou arebentdownonatable,andwhateverthejudgedecides onhowhard/fasthewantsthepaddletoswatyouwouldbe hischoice.In15minutes,youwillthinktwiceoncommiting anothercrime.Letmeknowwhatyouthink.Thankyou. contactmeatsilvermedalsgirl@yahoo.com Whywouldweusethatincourtinsteadofjail?Whattypeof maturepersonisafraidofspanks?Jailismoreeffective anyways(mostlybecauseofthefearfactor).Butwhatdoes thathavetodowithschool?Thepointisthatsome principlesandteachersdogowayoverboardandhurtthe children.Thentheydevelopfearandhate.Andthat'swhat madeterrorismandcausedsomanyhurtandangryteens tojoingangs.Whenthathappensweknowthatcorporal punishmentisnotrightandcausesmoredamagethanit stops.

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Youneedtocitefactsbeforeattributingcorporal punishmenttogangsandterrorism.Also,tryseeinghow you'dreactifyoudidsomethingbadandwerespankedby thepersonyouadmireandlovetheonepersonyoutryto impressandoneofthefewyourespect.Notonlywouldyou crybecauseofbriefpain,butyouwouldcryfromshockand shame.You,whothoughtyouwereabovereprimandor reproofhadtobecorrectedbyyourhonoredloveone.Ifthat doesnotpreventyoufromrepeatingtheunmentionableact thenatleastyouknowthatwhenyou'rerottinginjailyou hadyourchancetostraightenupeitherthatoryou'rea sociopath.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Theadministrationofcorporalpunishment madeusgrowuptobecomeresponsiblecitizen.

Breakingaruleatschoolresultedincorporalpunishment beingadministered.Wewerecaned,andthatwasthat.No offencewaseitherintendedortaken.So,welearnedto respecttherules,customsandnormsofoursociety. Kidsarenotgoingtogoupagainsttheirparentsafterbeing subjugatedtocorporalpunishment.Also,itisperfectly naturalforkidstobecomerebelliouswhentheyreacha certainage.Thebuckstopswhenthatkidhasreachedthat ageandhaslearnednothing.Whenthatadolescentgetsbig enoughtotryandgoupagainsthis/herparentsthenthat childisnolongerachildandneedstoleavetheprotection andshelterofhisparentsandmakehisown. WhenCorporalpunishmentisadministereditdoesn'tjust blowover.kidsdevelopgrudgesandplotandplan.Some joingangstoo.Alsoitsnoteffective.kidsdogetrebellious.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Itdependsonhowtheactualpunishementis administered

Assumingthepersonpunishingknowsexactlywhatthey aredoingandknowshowtocontrolthemself,thereshould benoproblemwithCorporalPunishmentatall,therulesof CorporalPunishmentwouldneedtobealtered,obviously. Becauseastheyaretheycouldhurtthechild, Butifaltereditwouldbeperfectlyreasonabletoadminister corporalpunishment Iwouldsayspeakforyourself,oratleastwhatyouknow.If themajorityofadministeredcorporalpunishmentwasdone incorrectlythenthehistoryofchildprotectiveservices wouldbeawholelotmoreradical.Corporalpunishmenthas beenusedbyamajorityofhouseholdsandeducation centersforthousandsofyearsuntilveryrecently.Therewill alwaysbethosewhoabusethesystem,butthatdoesnot meanthesystemdoesnotwork.Nowthatsocietyatleast Westernsocietyisclaimingtobesomuchbetter,orwiser thanprevioussocietiesthenatleastitcancomeupwitha moreregulatedandconsistentimplementationofsucha practice. Iagree.Butmostofthetimethe"punisher"doesnotknow howtocontrolhimselfsowehavetokeepthelawinplace. Majorityrules.Alsoifcorporalpunishmentweretobe alteredtonothurtachild,itwouldnotbecalledcorporal punishmen.Ithasnorelationtowhyyoushouldhave corporalpunishmentthedebatetopicthatwearediscussing

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... itmakesadirectlinkbetweenabehaviorand itsbadconsequences

todayboysandgirlsignoretheconsequencesoftheir behavior.Theyunderestimatetheir responsabilties.Especiallywhentheyareteens.Alotofbad accident,alcoolism,unexpectedpregnancy,etc...wouldbe Corporalpunishmentdoesnotactuallyadministeradirect causeandeffectlinkbetweenabehaviouranditsbad consequences.Itisjustaslikelythatitwillcreatean unwantedassociationwiththepresenceoftheone

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administeringthepunishment(e.g.theparents)asthebad consequenceitselforitscause,contributingtofurther rebelliousorsneakybehaviour,makingitseffecttemporary. Educationandnonaggressive,impersonaldeterrents(such aseducatingthemaboutthefinancialandpsychological consequencesofteenpregnancy)arefarmoreeffectiveif youwanttoshowthemadirectcauseandeffect relationship.

avoidifastrictsentence(i.e.cp)formisbehaviorhadbeen farearlierdecidedandoperated.Anticipation,akindof humiliationandpainareingredientseasytoundrestand....

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Ithasbeenmadeillegalinsomanycountries forareason.

Manycountriesoutlawedhomosexuality,femaleworkers andabortions,butthisdoesnotmeanthatallofthose countrieswerecorrecttodoso.Itonlymeansthatthese countrieswereinagreementagainstsomething,itdoesnot meanthatwhattheywerealladvocatingwaslogicalor reasonable. Theamountofcountriesthatdoordonothavecorporal punishmentoutlawedhasnobearingonthisdebate. Yethaveanyofthesecountriesprovidedeffectivesupports toparentsinhelpingthemdisciplineandpunishoutof controlchildren?Theytellparentsthatcorporalpunishment inwrong,butwhentheirchildactsoutorgetsintroublewith thelaw,theyblametheparents.Isthatfair?Iftheywantto outlawcorporalpunishmentthentheyneedtoprovide supportsthatarejustaseffectiveindeterrenceascorporal punishmentforparentsandteacherstouse.Sincethey havenot(otherthanwagingawaronkidswithzero tolerancelawsandimprisonment)thenwhatrightdothey haveoverhowaparentdisciplineshis/herchildorwants his/herchildtobedisciplinedbyteachers?TheonlythingI canagreeonisprovidingregulatorylawlikeSection59of NewZealand'sCrimesAmendmentActof2007,thatallows onlycorporalpunishmentusedforreasonabledisciplinary actiontolegislateagainstotherformsofchildhittingor California'srighttodisciplinelaws,toprotectagainst potentialabuse.Ofcourse,asitappliestoparentsitshould applytoteachersaswell. CorporalPunishmenthasnowbeencompletelybannedin 24countries:Austria,Bulgaria,Chile,CostaRica,Croatia, Cyprus,Denmark,Finland,Germany,Greece,Hungary, Iceland,Israel,Latvia,Norway,Portugal,Romania,Spain, Sweden,TheNetherlands,NewZealand,Ukraine,Uruguay andVenezuela.Furthermore,therearenumerouscountries whichareontheirwaytobanningitsuchasItalyand Nepal,whohaveforbiddenitbythecourtsbutnotbylawas ofyet.Corporalpunishmentisbecomingwidelydiscussed allovertheworldandtheconsiderationtocompletelybanit isbecomingafrequentquery.Therefore,corporal punishmentshouldnotbereintroducedasevidentlythefact thatsomanycountriesareagainstitportraysthenegativity itbringsandthebanningofitinsomanycountriesmustbe foragoodreason.Iftherewereanydoubtsallthese countrieswouldnothavebanneditandtheUKwouldnot havebanneditinschoolsinthefirstplace!Toreinstate somethingwhichhasalreadybeenthoroughlydiscussed yearsagoandofwhichtheoutcomewasnegative,would beabsurd!

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Itincreasestherateofcrimeandviolence.

Thisargumentlacksstatisticalbacking.Thereisareason forthis.Becausethestatisticssystematicallyshowthat aftercorporalpunishmentwasmadeillegal,crime increased,by67%.Thestatisticsarefirmlyinfavourofthe reintroductionofcorporalpunishment. Inlate2009,AmericanpsychologyprofessorMarjorie Gunnoepublishedareportthatfoundthatcorporal punishmentisgoodforkidsalthoughsinceshewasgoing againstthegrainofpopularpsychologymostjournalswould notpublishit.Nonetheless,herresearchwasnotmeantto serveasagreenlightforparentstospanktheirchildren, butratheraredlightforthosegroupswhowantcorporal punishmentbanned. Herearesomearticlesdescribingherfindings: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/nurture shock/2009/12/30/somekidsareneverspankeddothey turnoutbetter.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6926823/Smacked childrenmoresuccessfullaterinlifestudyfinds.html Corporalpunishmentcanbeassociatedwithhigherratesof aggression,moresubstanceabuseandanincreasedriskof crimeandviolenceasmanyvictimsofcorporalpunishment tendtolashoutandrepeatthisabuseastheydon'tknow anybetter.Inotherwords,itteacheschildrentouse physicalviolence.Thefactthatcorporalpunishment increasescrimeandviolencehasbeensupportedbythe AmericanAcademyofPaediatrics(AAP)whichhasstated that"themorechildrenarespanked,themoreangerthey reportasadults,themorelikelytheyaretospanktheirown children,themorelikelytheyaretoapproveofhittinga spouseandthemoremaritalconflicttheyexperienceas adults."Hence,corporalpunishmentnotonlystartsa viciouscircleofviolencebutalsoaffectsthechildslifeand wellbeingoncetheybecomeanadult.Thegovernment needstoworktowardsalessviolentsociety,notincreasing theamountofviolenceinsocietybyreintroducingoneofits founders.

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Ithasnegativepsychologicaleffects.

Ifyouspeaktopeoplewhohavebeensubjectedtocorporal punishment,theystatethatitwasgoodforthemandtaught themdiscipline.Ifyouaregoingtotalkofalcohol dependencythenyouwillhavetoquantifyhowmany,and alsoshowthelinkbetweenthecorporalpunishmentand theseproblems. Pleaseprovidesources.Ihaveneverheardofthisfrom anyonewhohasbeenspanked.Mosttimestheyregretthey didwhattheydidinthefirstplacetogetspanked.Ihave witnessedadultstalkabouttheiryouthandgouptotheir parentsandthankthemforcorrectingthemwhentheywere foolish.I'vealsoheardofsomepeoplewhowerelockedup whowishedsomeonehadbeentougheronthemorgave themsomemorespankings.Someofthesesameinmates haveendedupformingcloserrelationshipswiththeir parents,mainlytheirmothers,becausetheynowrealize whattheirmothersweretryingtopreventandfeelsorryto havebecomesuchaburden. Alowselfesteemisoneoftheprincipleproblemsbrought onbycorporalpunishmentandcanresultinanxiety difficulties,alcoholdependency,delinquencyandinsecurity. Victimsofthisphysicalviolencealsotendtobemoreshy andresentfulthanthosewhoarenotsubjecttophysical harm.Furthermore,corporalpunishmentseesthe deteriorationoftherelationshipbetweenthevictimandthe personexercisingtheviolence,whetherthatbeaparentor guardianorateacher.Nevertheless,thismeansthat corporalpunishmentcanruinthelivesofchildrenthrough itsnegativepsychologicaleffects.Additionally,undoubtedly itdestroystherapportofthechildwithwhoeverconducts thecorporalpunishmentduetoalackoftrust.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Itiswrongandinappropriate.

Sobyhavingthisatricleyouarestatingthatparentscan notpunishtheirchildrenorteacherscannotpunishtheir pupilsformisbehavingandcausingadisruptanceinclass roomsandathome?Ifweallweretofollowthisarticleand notpunishourchildrenby"strikingthefearofGodinto them"assomesayhowarewesupposedtopunishthe children?Childrenarealreadyviolentalready,bynot ceasingthistohappenandusingcorporalpunishmentitwill becomea"livinghell"asmyfathersays.Iknowforafact causeIwasachildatfirstthatslapingakidshandor groundingthemdoesnothingtoceasetheproblembut makesthemmoredefianttowardsrules.Bydoingthishow arewesupposedtopreparethemfortherealworldbecause afteryoumakeabigmistakethecopsarenotgoingto smackyouonthehandandputyouinthecorner.NOthere willbemuchbiggerconcequences.Sodoyouwanta diciplinednextgenerationoramisbehavingunlawful generation?Youtellme... Youdorealizethatmostpeoplewhobeattheirchildrenare doingitbecauseitworkedforthemwhentheirparentsused tobeatthemaschildren?Also,whatmakestheU.N. transcendantandallknowing.Iagreewithitssentiment,but itislargelymistakenifitthinksthatcorporalpunishmentis abuse.Abusekills,corporalpunishmentdoesnot. Todisciplineorpunishachildthroughphysicalviolenceis clearlyaviolationofthemostbasicofhumanrights.Article 19oftheUNConventionontheRightsoftheChilddeclares that"Childrenandyoungpeoplehavetherighttophysical andpersonalintegrity.Allservicesshouldensurethatchild protectionisbasedonthisrightandthatdefinitionsof abusedonotcondoneanylevelofviolencetochildren."As wellasbeinglawfullywrong,corporalpunishmentismorally wrong.Thereareplentyofotheralternativemethodsto disciplineachildotherthanbeatingthechild!Forexample, apersoncantakeawaytheprivilegesofthechildor preventthemfromcarryingouttheirhobbiesoreveninsist thattheydosomeotherformofworktomakeupfortheir badbehaviour.Nonetheless,physicallyharmingthechildis completelyinappropriateandunnecessary.Wouldthe conductorofthecorporalpunishmentlikeitifitwerethe otherwayroundanditwerehim/hergettingbeaten?Ithink not.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... harmschildrenwithgenuinebehavioural disordersorotherdisabilities

Ithinkitobviousthatachildwouldnotbeintroducedintoa schoolwithouttheparentsbeingawareofanybehavioural disordersordiabilities.Whatmustbetakenintoaccount,is avastmajorityofcasesareattentionseekingattemptsin thiscase,wearetoisolatethem.Ofcourse,thisisused todayasawayofdealingwithbehaviour,butitseems AsachildwithAsperger'sIdidalotofthingsthatwere definedasbadbehaviourbecauseofpanicattacks, repeatedbullyingordesperationtoremovesomethingfrom theclassroomthatwasagainstmypersonalrules/routine. therewasnowayphysicalpunishmentwouldhaveworked, ijustwouldn'thaverelented,iwouldhaveendedup

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seriouslyinjured,andiwouldhavebeenfineifihadbeen lefttoworkinaroomonmyown.thiswouldbeOKif teacherscouldactuallytellthedifferencebetweenbadly behavedchildrenandchildrenwithconditionsthatcanbe dealtwith,butinmyexperiencetheycan't,andoftenaren't sympatheticanyway.

unsuccesfulindealingwithbehaviour,aspeoplethinkits cooltogoagainstthesystem,suchasgaining unnecessaryASBOs,ortryingtoimpressfriendsor admirers.Ifindthemostefficientwayofdetteringbad behaviour,isembarrasment.InIslamiccounties,theyuse punishments,suchasfingersamputatedforstealing,public floggingforbeingabusivetohigherauthorityorstoningfor adultry.Thisisusedasadetterance,notonlytotheperson themselves,buttothegeneralpublicalso.Italsomakesan awarenessonhowfoolishthoseindividualsare,fortryingto makethemselvescooler,ormoreimpressive. Iamcurrentlyasixthformstudentatasecondaryschool( highschoolinsomecases),andicanseethatyounger yearsaregetting"cockier"towardstutors.Thisisa observationofonlyafewyears,whereasthescaleweare talkingismuchlonger.Itisthispoint,wherethepointi madeearlieronbeingabusivetoauthority,wherecorperal punishmentshouldbereintroduced. Sure,childrenneedtolearnhowtobeindependantwithout guidence,andneedtolearnfromtheirmistakes,butisnt thatwhatcorperalpunishmentwasfor?Diditnotshowwhat willhappen,iftheindividualsdidmakethewrong decisions? Likeisaid,corperalpunishmentshowedtheconsequences ofgoingagainsthigherauthority,childrenneedtolearnof theseconsequences,andexperiencethemiftheydo attempttogoagainstthatauthority. Asofthecaseswhichincludegenuinebehavioural disordersordisabilities,theschoolshouldknowofthese conditionsthustherightamountofdisciplinewouldbe administrated.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Currentlylegalin21states.Whereisthe betterment?

IcannotcommentonthewaythesytemworksintheUSA, asiliveintheUK,butwhatwemustremember,iscorperal punishmentisfortheindividualsthataremisbehaving. Corporalpunishmentwasnotdirectedtoeverysinglechild undereducation,soyoucannotraisethatpoint. Itistrue,thatcorporalpunishmenthasreligiousorigins,but itmustbenotedthatintheeyesofreligion,itistomake themabetterchristian,muslimect.Whatifeelisimportant, isevery(ifnot,most)countryisbaseduponreligious origins.SouthAmericawascolonizedbyspainin1492,and NorthAmerica'sEasternseaboardwascolonizedbythe Englishatthosetimes,bothweredevoutChristian Countries(pleasekeepinmind,iamnotattackingNorth andSouthAmerica.Imjustusingthemasexamples). Asforthequestion,"areweseeingmeasurabledifference inbehaviorinthisstatestojustifyreintroducingitinstates thathavebannedit?",onceagain,icannotcomment.Buti dounderstandthatAmericanStateshavetheindependance tochoosetheirownlaws,andagreethattheyshould.Ifyou weretolookforameasurabledifference,lookatthe differenceofageandbehaviour.InthecaseoftheUK,bad behaviourinyoungeryearsarealwaysincreasing,andifeel thatisbecauseUKhasmadecorporalpubnishmentillegal. IcannotcommentonUSA'syoungergeneration,butim suresomeonecan. Peoplethatareconsideringthistopicshouldlistentoothe TEDtalkbySamHarris:CanscienceanswerMoral Questions Hereisaapartofthetalkthatisrelevanttothisdebate: ."...thereare21statesinourcountry(theU.S.A.)where corporalpunishmentintheclassroomislegal:whereitis legalforateachertobeatachildwithawoodenboard, hard,andraisinglargebruisesandblistersandeven breakingtheskin.Andhundredsofthousandsofchildren, incidentally,aresubjectedtothiseveryyear.Thelocations oftheseenlighteneddistricts,Ithink,willfailtosurprise you.We'renottalkingaboutConnecticut. Andtherationaleforthisbehaviorisexplicitlyreligious.The CreatoroftheuniverseHimselfhastoldusnottosparethe rod,lestwespoilthechild:ThisisinProverbs13and20, andIbelieve,23.Butwecanasktheobviousquestion:Isit agoodidea,generallyspeaking,tosubjectchildrentopain andviolenceandpublichumiliationasawayofencouraging healthyemotionaldevelopmentandgoodbehavior? (Laughter)Isthereanydoubtthatthisquestionhasan answer,andthatitmatters?" So,thepointto"reintroduce"ismute.Thequestion becomes:areweseeingmeasurabledifferenceinbehavior inthisstatestojustifyreintroducingitinstatesthathave bannedit? .

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CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Ithinkcorpralpunishmentshouldbeeleaglein everycountry.

Honestly,Itdependsonhowthepunishmentis administered. Youcan'tjustgoonabouthowbaditisbyusing uninterestingadjectives. YouspeltIllegalwrong,YoualsospeltLegalwrongThats causetherewasnodisciplineatthatschool.Speaks volumes. Corpralpunishmentistereible.Theonlythingitdoesisruin childrenandmakethemgrowsnappy,rude,mean,lonely,and depressed. Ifyouthinkcorpralpunishmentshouldbeleagleagain,than youareeitherinsensitive,mean,oryouarejustplain stupid.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Itbringsfearintheperson

Thispresumesthatitisusedbothoftenandbythesame person.Ifusedinschoolandonlyrarelyitisquitepossible thatanyoneindividualgettingareputationforgivinga caningcouldbeavoided. Moreoverthisisnotalwaysabadthingifthepersonis afraidofbeingpunishedthentheansweristomakesure thattheyknowwhattheyaredoingwrongandtheywill avoidit. thisbringsfearbecuaseifthepersoninflictingthepainon thepersonkeepsondoingitanytimetheindividualwhoas beingsufferingfromitseestheinflicterheorsheturnsto beafriad

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... itmakesthevictimhardend

Sodoesprison,butyoudon'tseeanyonearguingforgetting ridofthat. cosifukeeponimflictindapainheorshewillbeusedtoit andwillknowdatuwilldothesamethingsoheshekeeps onbeingbad andwenukeeponbeatinghimorhertheywontcaresowill keeponduinnaughtythings

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... itcanleadtodeath

Causingdeathbybeatingisillegalregardlessofwhetherit is'punishment'. Technically,anythingcanleadtodeathifusedin excession. Thisisntmuchofavalidpoint. Ifsomeoneatetoomuchyoghurttheywoulddie, Ifsomeoneweretorunandrunforageswithoutsleepor eatingorstoppingtheywoulddie. Idsomeoneweretosittheredoingnothing,absolutely nothing,theywoulddie. Thisisn'tmuchoranargument. Corporalpunishmentisnotabuseandwillnotleadtodeath. Abuse,howeverwillleadtodeath.Ifyouhavecrossedthe lineyouwilldefinitelyknowbecausethereisabrieftime limittoallcorporalpunishment,andthereisreallyonesort ofinstrumentthatcanbeused(whichcannotkill),andis appliedtoalimitedamountofareas.Neitherofthesethings Yes,Iagreenow.

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cankillachildwhenusedtogether.Thesethingsalsowon't leavebruisesorbrokenribs.Ofcourse,marksmaybeleft buttheyusuallyfadewithnobruisinginadayorso.

CorporalPunishmentshouldbereintroduced. Yesbecause... Nobecause... Forchildren,actionsspeaklouderthanwords.

Childrenusuallylearnbyobservingrolemodelsand imitatingthem.Especiallyyoungeroneswhodonotfully understandtheabstractmoralconcepts(emptywords) behindthepunishments,makingthemrelianttowhoever thenearestrolemodelis.Thuswhenyouhitchildrenvery oftenthey'reatriskofthinkingthatmoralityonlyexistsif yougetcaught/punishedandifyou'reallgrownupit'sfine tohitsmallerandpowerlesspeople.Andcorporal punishmentdoesnotworkespeciallytothosechildrenwho aretoopredisposedtoviolenceandalienation,suchas sociopaths.Ifanythingyou'rejustencouragingthemonhow totaketheirownpersonalgrudgesontootherpeopleand justifythemwithemptywords.Ipersonallydonotseea beneficialrelationcorporalpunishmenthaswith constructiveparentalmodeling.

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