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Who is Wayne Elise aka "Juggler"?
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Getting her horney about someone else. / Post 61
Getting her horney about someone else. / Post 61
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Subject: Getting her horney about someone else. // view thread online
Post Date: December 13th, 2001 11:03:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Tell her about one of your sexual flings and how it felt for you. Structure your rap to include her perspective. -Juggler
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Waynes World Negs... / Post 62
Waynes World Negs... / Post 62
Subject: Waynes World Negs... // view thread online

Post Date: December 13th, 2001 09:33:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Very clever and fun. Sort of a triple reversal. Performance would be key. -Juggler
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A Formula mini-story, part I. / Post 63
A Formula mini-story, part I. / Post 63
Subject: A Formula mini-story, part I. // view thread online

What you could have done is say, "No thanks but maybe later." Then you have carte blanche to take either girl by the hand at anytime in the night and lead her onto the dance floor for a song and then lead her by the hand to a secluded area in the bar. -Juggler
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No Topic / Post 64
No Topic / Post 64
Subject: No Topic // view thread online

Go to her house for a lesson but go to a private room - moms guard will be down. You will either be able to fool around and/or you will make the family comfortable enough with you so the girl can come to your place alone. -Juggler
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KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) / Post 65
KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) / Post 65
Subject: KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) // view thread online
Post Date: December 16th, 2001 11:33:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Great Post. A good way to take a girl to a more intimate area as well. -Juggler
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nice trixx to get some attention / Post 66
Subject: nice trixx to get some attention // view thread online

Post Date: December 16th, 2001 05:16:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
The other posters make a good point. You should learn to rely entirely on yourself and not a prop. However, many magicians do very well at getting girls with tricks. If you are going to go this route the best way is to develop a seductive patter while performing with the prop. -Juggler
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Social Proof ?? / Post 67
Social Proof ?? / Post 67
Subject: Social Proof ?? // view thread online

In general the more beautiful the girl the better. But Specialist makes a good point here which is often ignored. It is not just being seen with a girl which demonstrates social proof. It is your ability to get her laughing and obviously enjoying your presence. It is best not to think about social proof too much. You will be further ahead in the long run developing your abilities to approach and make a woman happy you are there. Then social proof will just happen and not be something you have to actively pursue. Also, you may find that bringing a girl with you for social proof will not work as well as meeting girls there. A new girl will be much more interested and captivated by you. Here is an example. I am talking with two very attractive girls. I take a break from them to turn around and speak with two other girls... maybe 5s. I do this all the time. Not part of a scheme. Just being outgoing with everybody. Well, these two non-attractive girls were pretty fun and I liked them immediately (not in a sexual way of course). Anyway, we are talking and my interrupts and tells me the two hot girls want to know something. I just put my finger up to tell him just a minute I am in a conversation here. So eventually I turn back around and the first thing out of the hot girls on the lefts mouth was to ask me if I am seeing anybody. Very bold sign of interest. So of course I gave her the girlfriend test. Thought about it later, there was probably alot going on in her mind. I was sort of demonstrating social proof with the unattractive girls while at the same time doing a neg hit on the hot girl and a take -away.....all that stuff that many guys here like to break down. But the point is, you do not have to figure it all out and force it to work for you. Just be outgoing and chat it up with many people and it will work for you unconsciously. This will leave you to concentrate on the important part of your game... being seductive. -Juggler
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Watching Politicians! / Post 68
Watching Politicians! / Post 68
Subject: Watching Politicians! // view thread online

Former president Bill Clinton was in town recently. As I was listening to him, I kept thinking what a good PUA he would make. His style is not about standing up in an un-PC sort of way as you were describing. He is more the type to align himself with your feelings. It is easy for people to dislike politicians on television but when people meet one in person they are usually charmed and impressed. You could do worse than modeling yourself after a successful office holder. -Juggler
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Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 69
Subject: Jugglers Girlfriend Test // view thread online

Here is the girlfriend test per request. It is really very simple. When a girl checks your status. "Do you have a girlfriend?" Say, "To be my girlfriend (or lover) is a prestigious and exclusive thing. Theres a test." Curiosity being what it is, she will want to take the test. There are three multiple-choice questions. Take out a pen and write the correct answers on her palm but forbid her to look. Then ask her the questions while you hold her hand closed. You should make up your own, but here are some example questions. 1. Which do you enjoy more? A shower or a warm bath? 2. What is the sexiest food? Whipped crme, chocolate syrup or strawberries? 3. What feels better? Kisses on your neck or nibbling on your ear? The correct answers are bath, strawberries and kisses on the neck. Most times she will answer the first two correctly. The last question is up for grabs. The crucial thing is that the last question is some sort of intense kino or kissing that you can do right then. If she gets it wrong: Whisper in her ear "I cant be with you if you really believe this (nibble ear) feels better than this (kiss neck)." If she gets it right: "Im glad you like this (nibble or kiss). It is so much better than this (kiss or nibble)." Make sure you kiss and nibble before you let go of her hand. If she gets all the questions wrong give her a playfully hard time about it. This test is used mostly after you have some connection. If a girl checks your status it usually means she is interested. But you may want to try it as an opening - who knows. There are many variations including writing something clever on her hand instead of the answers, etc. Someday I may post my SuperTest. But Im sure posters to this group can come up with some creative ones.
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-Juggler
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How to get in with a group / Post 70
Subject: How to get in with a group // view thread online

I define a group as three or more people. It is rare to find a cohesive group with more than six members. These size groups typically are broken up into splinter groups. Look to approach the group members which are on the edges or less involved in the group conversation - these will rarely be the hottest girls, but if they are, just realize you will still probably have to charm the rest of the group. Do not try to get the attention of everyone at once. You may succeed and get them all to watch you momentarily but the need of returning to cut off conversations and trains of thought will draw their attentions away from you and your group control will rapidly collapse. At the beginning be satisfied with one, two or how many ever turn to check you out. But be big enough for as many people as give you their attention at your approach. Do not try to get more group members attention during this moment. You never want to look like you are putting out an effort - be relaxed like. After the approach, as others in the group find pauses in their conversations they will turn their attention to you or the person(s) you have approached, you must add these new people to your conversation. In most cases you will only have a couple seconds to do this. Quickly include them as participants by addressing them or looking in their direction as you relate a point in your story or routine. This is a nice way to gain control over a group - each person is allowed to discover you in a very natural way. Just remember to keep getting bigger as more people tune in. It may be tempting to re-start a story or routine as you add someone but do not do this. Include them but do not back-up - you will lesson your hold on those who are already with you. Just keep the interesting stuff rolling until the entire group is spellbound. They will ask you questions. These can either be opportunities or a line of distraction which will weaken your hold on the group. Answering questions is where many guys give up the ball and thus control of the group. You should prepare answers to common questions. These will depend on your material but here are some generic questions and example answers: 1. Do you work here? (Who else approaches strangers in groups?) Yes. I am paid to be a merry maker. Are you merry enough or do I have to tickle you?
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2. How do you know so and so? (You must be a friend of someone in the group) Actually he hates me ever since I stole his fiance. 3. Are you for real? That is not a question I can answer with my words. I would have to show you. The point of all these answers is they need to be interesting for the whole group. If you answer in any other way, you will weaken your hold. What may be great material for a one on one situation will many times work against you with a group. Further, realize one group members curios question will be of little interest to everyone else, so should go unfulfilled. For many reasons that are worth repeating - do not fulfill any curiosity about yourself with a group. Answer questions in a funny way or in a way that brings up more questions than it answers. Let them try to one on one you to have their need filled. In a group, use group material. Keep in mind, anyone can just ask questions. If you do that you will not have the attention of the group for very long. Ask only questions which segway into group oriented routines. The best topic you will probably ever speak with a group about is group dynamics: Its interesting that when you have a five people together the taller inevitably stands across from the shortest. It as if their subconsciouss are directing them apart." (Everybody looks around to see if this is true.) You dont have to be a psychologist - just use you imagination to think up some stuff that is fun and sounds plausible. Dont get hung up on being accurate. Be entertaining. Also, use pauses, dramatic endings and hooks. Once you have control of the group, one on one the cute girl(s). You must do this while you are going strong. Even the most entertaining guys can run out of steam. Do not lose momentum. Here are some other thoughts on groups: You want to bring the group around you tighter. This is an indicator you are effectively working a group. So you must move people towards you. To do this, do not step closer to the other people. It can be tempting to move around within a group. Do not do this. It will appear you are trying. Instead move closer to the person or persons who you are already in with. The others will see it is warm and fun being near you. Try to gesture them closer when they look interested or get the people who you are already in with to wave them into your sphere of influence by asking about this new person. Your people will bring the new person(s) over. If this still does not work for you it may be the quality of your material. Many people in groups are not there to meet anyone. Many groups are composed of co-workers, sports clubs relaxing after a game, even families. So a girl in this kind of group will not be actively helping herself get picked-up at the beginning. But this is also an opportunity. These kinds of groups are generally more apt to believe you are just a friendly person who is outgoing and not some horny guy on the prowl. Of course this has much to do with venue as well. People feel safer in groups. Safer from outside elements. Safer to be bitchy. Safer to be flirtatious. Safer to do whatever. They can say and do outrageous things. Girls can be more open to taking a chance. After taking a girl from a group you have a better chance of getting physical than if you were to take a girl from a two set or by herself.
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At the same time, there is peer pressure in a group that can work to inhibit a girls behavior. You can somewhat take control of that by being the center of attention. Depending on the mood of the group - if they are a fun and in a kind of wild mood you can use the peer group to actually put pressure on a girl to kiss you. But otherwise you will want to take her outside the group into a more secluded area before you turn the corner into the physical. Give her a reason to follow you to a more intimate area. If that is not possible in your situation you may want to try isolating the two of you in other ways, such as sitting at a table if everyone else is standing or facing away from the rest. If you want to take a girl home, it is important to find out the transportation situation. If she is responsible for taking others home, suggest they come along. If they do end up going along just be sure to drop them off first. If she is riding with someone else, find out who that person is and reassure him or her she will be okay going with you. "Were just going for a bite at an all-night diner. Im sober and a good driver." - whatever. Just dont tell them you are going back to your place. Be flexible but have a structure. Keep in mind a group of people can sidetrack you even more than an individual. Plan countermeasures. Stay off fluff and on material. Many beautiful girls will be found in groups. Once you have the ability to work a group your confidence will soar. -Juggler
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Subject: Jugglers Girlfriend Test // view thread online

On 12/17/01 6:34:00 PM, MiCapitan wrote: >>write the correct answers on her >>palm but forbid her to look. > >Is the purpose here to give >her >the right answers? Is it not >trivial >for her to feel out the >letters >being written on her palm, >even >if she is not looking at it? Good question. The purpose of putting the answers in her hand is so she knows, as she is taking the test, that there are correct answers which she may or may not get right. Wether she gets them right may or may not matter to you. I usually dont care but I have been known to walk away from a hot girl when she got a question wrong. She will also respect you for putting the interaction at risk. You are further demonstrating you are not just accepting any girl. If she did not have the answers in her hand she would think you may just let her pass. If she cheats by feeling out the letters then she really likes you. You dont need to call her on it. Just precede. But if you want you can just write it on a piece of paper, put it in her hand and then close it with your hand on top. -Juggler
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Subject: nice trixx to get some attention // view thread online

Sure, a trick can get you noticed. But coming from a professional entertainer, you should realize you will get a much more powerful reaction if you pull the trick out after you have made an approach. And it is even better if you get her to make you do it. When she asks you what you do, tell her you do many things including some magic. She will insist on seeing a trick. Perform well and she will want to find out all the other magic things which must be hidden within you. -Juggler
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Lesbian Routine / Post 73
Lesbian Routine / Post 73
Subject: Lesbian Routine // view thread online

Approach a set of two straight looking girls and tell them you will use your psychic sense to tell them about themselves. Then tell them you see their auras are very closely intertwined. Say they are either lesbian lovers or just strongly attracted to each other. If you are right, they will be amazed. If you are wrong she will say, "Im not a lesbian." Insist that you are rarely wrong. There must be something deep down inside her that even she does not know is there. She will again insist she is not a lesbian. You then smile wickedly and tell her to prove it. -Juggler
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Dont drink yourself drunk until after you have closed! / Post 74
Dont drink yourself drunk until after you have closed! / Post 74
Subject: Dont drink yourself drunk until after you have closed! // view thread online
As a side note, sometime ago I decided to make a rule for myself to not purchase alcohol - for myself or anyone else. In a club I play the game sober. I have gotten used to it now and it does not seem weird anymore not to be carrying around a drink. However, according to my rules I can have a drink if a girl buys it for me. Amazingly enough this almost always happens. Not sure why. Is it girls modeling AFC behavior or does she simply feel more comfortable if I have a drink like she does or what? Anyone else have experiences like this? -Juggler
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Re: some advice on "just say hi" / Post 75
Re: some advice on "just say hi" / Post 75
Subject: Re: some advice on "just say hi" // view thread online
Post Date: December 18th, 2001 02:45:42 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
Hey Neo-Rio, I really like your posts. You seem to think it similar directions as I do. Do you ever post in the moderated forum? -Juggler
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Re: Legal Warning #3 to Formhandle / Post 76
Re: Legal Warning #3 to Formhandle / Post 76
Subject: Re: Legal Warning #3 to Formhandle // view thread online

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Re: Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 77
Re: Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 77
Subject: Re: Jugglers Girlfriend Test // view thread online

Hi Lotus, Thanks for posting. Actually the test is supposed to be done in a fun, joking way. I hope it didnt come across that way to to others here. It should be playful. -Juggler
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Re: Lesbian Routine / Post 78
Subject: Re: Lesbian Routine // view thread online

I dont think I have ever used it anywhere but clubs. Its great that you tested it in a mall. -Juggler On 12/19/01 12:04:54 PM, CPowles10 wrote: >Out of curiousity, have you >field tested this? > >I did in a mall yesterday, >after Adonis mentioned reading >your post. >It was a fun approach, though >it didnt really lead to >anything. It >may be better in a bar or >club. The best was when two >Asian girls said >they were actually lesbians. I >then suggested a faithful >three-way >relationship. > > >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:10:00 -0500, >juggler wrote: > >>Approach a set of two straight >looking girls and tell them you will use >your >>psychic sense to tell them about >themselves. >> >>Then tell them you see their auras >are very closely intertwined. Say they >are >>either lesbian lovers or just >strongly attracted to each other. >> >>If you are right, they will be >amazed. If you are wrong she will say, >"Im not
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>>a lesbian." >> >>Insist that you are rarely wrong. >There must be something deep down inside >her >>that even she does not know is >there. >> >>She will again insist she is not a >lesbian. You then smile wickedly and >tell >>her to prove it. >> >>-Juggler >> >
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OT: I WAS ROBBED!! / Post 79
OT: I WAS ROBBED!! / Post 79
Subject: OT: I WAS ROBBED!! // view thread online

Sorry to hear about what happened Bastian. But it puts me in a mind to share as well. I like to visit graveyards. It is peaceful and tombstones are a fascinating read. One person lived from 1935-1995, Another lived from 1974-2000. Sometimes you will see whole generations of families buried next to each other. I wonder if these dead people lived their lives to their fullest potential. Did the men get the girls they deserved? Did the women ever have the kind of orgasms my friend David Shade talks about. Did these people really ever use their freedom or did they, like many AFCs, live a life of quiet desperation. This reminds me to take chances, follow dreams and become the best PUA I can. Maybe a person can also find similar motivation in an unfortunate incident like yours. -Juggler
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Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? / Post 80
Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? / Post 80
Subject: Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? // view thread online

Since you are looking for a woman to marry try this next. Write down all the ideal qualities you are looking for in a mate. Maybe: a good listener, likes travel, wants 3 kids, likes sex in the morning, etc.. whatever you desire. Now think up some routines on each topic - a funny story,a pattern, a game or anything that explores the topics in a way that is interesting to girls. Now, when you are talking with a girl bring these subjects up. Example: You: "Where have you traveled?" Her: "Only a little around Europe." (Blah answer. But no problem. You are ready to warm the subject up.) You: "I just got back from the Galapagoes. have you been? No. Well, the penguins there have the most interesting mating ritual..." Her:That is so funny. I was in Scotland last year and.... Get it? You are entertaining while at the same time testing her to see if she can qualify for wife material. Keep in mind Jugglers 90-10 rule. That is, you must be prepared to provide 90 percent of the conversation at the beginning of an interaction with a woman until she is warmed up. If you go in and give 50%, expecting she will give 50% - like most conversations in the non-PU world, you will be disappointed. She will give only 10%. That adds up to 60%. Not enough and the conversation will stall and collapse. So be big enough for the both of you and then taper back as she gets warmed up. -Juggler
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Funny NG / Post 81
Funny NG / Post 81
Subject: Funny NG // view thread online

Just when I thought this newsgroup was of no use anymore. It has turned into a great source for laughs. Is anyone else out there in tears? Whoever "Ray" is, you should consider a job on SNL. Keep posting.
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Re: Getting started / Post 82
Re: Getting started / Post 82
Subject: Re: Getting started // view thread online

Hi John, That is a great question and right up my alley of expertise. I can really help you. However, I have a policy not to post seduction tips here anymore.. Please go over to the new forum : http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/ If you post your question there I will help you along with many other smart and wise PUA. -Juggler On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:53:03 +0100, "John Jacob" <Joh***y@sd***.com [ safemail ] > wrote: >Hi guys, > >Well, Im just getting started on the fast seduction thing, and Id like >some pointers. >I get to know girls relatively easy, and most girls respond positively to my >charm. But its difficult for me to get the conversations away from >banalities to more intimate topics. >Example, I meet this girl at a class. I get talking to her, bout something >the lecturer is saying, or just remarking on how boring this all is. We go >on to general chit chat bout her home town and so on. THEN I get stuck. How >does one switch from chatting about her little kitten to whispering about >how Id like her little pussy? > >Thanks a lot, > >Johnny. > >
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Re: Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? / Post 83
Subject: Re: Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? // view thread online
Yes you are right. However, the phrase you need to learn is, "How are you?" not "How are you doing." "How are you?" is a great opener. But it is the follow up which makes it great. You: "How are you?" Her: "Fine." You: "You know, its kind of rude not to ask how I am after I asked how you are." Her: "Okay, how are you?" You: "I am wonderful. You would not believe what I have been doing today. Have you ever been involved in something really dangerous and after it was over you had an incredible high, as if you just had the most intense sex? Well today I..." You have to be ready to deliver 90% of the conversation. If you look for that magic subject that will get her opening up and sharing with you her innermost desires you are going to be disappointed. Realize, you can take almost any opening and with creativity turn it into gold. Just remember that she will not give you help until you warm her up. Until then you are all alone. -Juggler On 12/19/01 4:38:47 PM, ngarwood wrote: >Im a newbie so take this with >a grain of salt... Ive found >that "Hi" and >"Howre you doing?" are both >fantastic ways to go nowhere >really fast (if >youre a newbie). The PUAs can >claim that its all attitude >(and it is) >but your attitude will never >surface unless you have
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>something to say. >Commenting on the environment >is good; an open ended >question asking for >her opinion is also good. > >In my limited newbie >experience, Ive found that in >order to get to the >point where "Hi" is all you >need, you have to start with a >more concrete >plan. > >Hope this helps. > >->----------------------------->----------->"If you plan to respond to >this with >anything but enthusiastic and >constructive >criticism, dont bother." > >The Underdog
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What to answer when she asks:Where are you from? / Post 84
What to answer when she asks:Where are you from? / Post 84
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Most American women I know dig guys from Europe. You may be reading into this. Anyway, be proud of where you are from. Think about all the good things about where you are from. Turn this obstacle into an opportunity. Make talking about your homeland your strongest routine. Speak passionately. Geeez, you are lucky and dont even realize it. You are exotic. -Juggler
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Openers for mixed groups / Post 85
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1. "Its interesting that when you have a group of four or more people together like this, the tallest always stands across from the shortest." - alter as needed. 2. "Who are you people?" 3. "Who is the leader here?" (They all point) Say playfully to leader, "What qualifies you to be in charge?" "Do you know what alpha means?" 4. "Do you guys want to see a magic trick? Alright, close your eyes." (Take cute girl by the hand away from the group while everybodys eyes are closed. Do not return.) 5. "You see that group over there? They said they are more fun than your group. Please prove to me they are mistaken." 6. "Where have I seen you guys before? Were you at so and sos party? The one where the stripper gave a lap dance to the clown." 7. "I bet I can use my Psychic powers to figure out how everybody knows each other. Mmmmm lets see. I am getting a vibe. Yes there it is. You are all members of the same nudist club. I can tell because you are very comfortable with each other but not comfortable with your clothes. (Whisper to girl) "Which guy is the biggest?" "Really, I would have never guessed. Of course it is what you do with it that counts. Which would you prefer? A guy with a big dick or a guy with a medium dick and five years of massage school?" 8. "You should know you are standing on sacred indian ground. The legend is that the Nodrogyar tribe used this very spot to sacrifice virgins. Where you are standing sir(point) is where the tribal women would prepare the honored girl by rubbing her bare body with scented oils..." 9. Approach one group member. Make friends. get that person to introduce you to everybody else. 10. "You guys arent a bad looking group but you could be better if you applied some Feng Shui. 11. "Hi, Im CPowles10" (Shake the hands of those closest to you - but not everyone) "So what are you guys talking about?" Do this right and they will all presume you know someone else in the group. If you get called on it you just look like a bold confident man.
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12. "Okay, whos been naughty and whos been nice?" Conclusion: Its all in the attitude. You can say almost anything as long as you are fun, interesting and bold. They will respect that. -Juggler
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Talked too much, HELP! / Post 86
Talked too much, HELP! / Post 86
Subject: Talked too much, HELP! // view thread online

Post Date: December 21st, 2001 09:29:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
The first rule of pick up is DO NOT TALK ABOUT PICK-UP. The second rule of pick up is DO NOT TALK ABOUT PICK-UP. Seriously, it is probably broken beyond repair. But here are a couple of things: Do not appolagize for running your mouth. That will only get you in worse shape. You need to be counterintuitive here. Kind of like being ensnared in a net - do not struggle, that will only make it worse. You need to have the attitude, "I confided in a friend about how us being together made me feel. And I probably told him too much when he asked how far things went. I can not believe he told someone my private thoughts." Of course, my guess is you have already taken the appologetic route if for no other reason then you were probably caught off guard by her message. So write this one off as a learning expense and keep sarging. The next girl will see you as an untarnished god. -Juggler
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Re: Best tactic? Jerk or warmth? / Post 87
Re: Best tactic? Jerk or warmth? / Post 87
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Post Date: December 22nd, 2001 08:13:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
>If this is you then mix it with funny, >outrageous, comic, aloof (and get >the mix right for you) youll be doing >far better than any jerk out there. Very true. Its like chemistry - when you get it right you create something useful. But if you get it wrong you can create something volatile. Of course that can still be interesting and instructive. Be a scientist and play around with the formula. -Juggler
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Hooks and Pauses / Post 88
Subject: Hooks and Pauses // view thread online

Post Date: December 22nd, 2001 11:53:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Puzzles... You must be big enough to control the situation while at the same time look like you are not trying. You must approach while not seeming like you need to approach. You must entertain a group while not working at it. Pick-up artistry is full of these riddles. But there are solutions. One such answer can be found by re-working your routines to include hooks and pauses. Get a girl to chase you by getting her to ask you questions. Make her want something. This is the beginning of her quest to experience your mysterious self. Encourage this by structuring your rap to include hooks and pauses. A hook is a statement which brings to mind one or more questions. A pause is a momentary stop to let her use her imagination. Example: You: I have an intuition about you. Her: What? You: Sometimes I get these hunches. My friends are amazed that many of them turn out to be correct. I dont know if I have some sort of phycic power or what. But with you I can see a specific aura around your body. Her: What is it? What do you see? You: I see a deeply adventurous spirit which is to often not let free because of societies expectations. (Pause) I knew a girl once, an artist, who had a similar feeling. She came up with a beautiful and exciting idea to free herself of all the bonds that are put upon us. Her: What did she do? Its easy from here. Take a look at your routines. Give some thought into how you can re-write them to include these concepts. Try interacting with a girl without asking her anything. Try getting a feel for her by how she pursues you. Of course, you also need to deliver with powerful material. As she digs deeper and discovers jewels it will encourage her. Maximize the chick interestingness of your routines.
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Questions are opportunities. Just plot to have her pursue the conversation threads you wish. But also, think up some pre-planned, great answers to common questions girls ask you all the time. And if you do some cool trick, make her beg it out of you. There are many smart guys who make the mistake of saying the perfect statements - thoughtful, chick appealing and nicely ended. You can sabotage yourself this way. Do not be too thorough. Practice leaving holes and making contradictory statements. Make space for her imagination to fill in the details and her sense of wonder to lead her to want to consume you. Try to spend less of your time solving problems and more of your time finding mysteries. Avoid conclusions. Never hand over the microphone after a conclusion. If you find yourself at a conclusion bring up a new conversation thread which has a hook before handing over the microphone. If a girl does not take a hook it does not necessarily mean it is a bad hook. Even a hook which doesnt catch will usually contribute a half point to your interestingness factor. Just dont look like you were expecting anything. Be self-contained - not needing anything. Keep your rap streaming. This post is really about pulling an indicator of interest out of girls at the approach. Of course there are ways of pulling all the other IOIs out early as well but Ill save those for later. -Juggler
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Sarging Alone - Need an Excuse? / Post 89
Sarging Alone - Need an Excuse? / Post 89
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Post Date: December 23rd, 2001 08:15:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey Smartbomb, Consider being proud that you go out alone. When a girl asks you about it say, "I like to meet new people so I have to disappoint my friends sometimes and leave them at home." Or, as you suggested, tell her you are traveling on business. In my experience, it is a good thing to let a girl know you are alone. Especially with groups of girls - they may offer to take you home with them. If a girl is going to be slutty with you she wants less people around. -Juggler
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How should I go about it? / Post 90
How should I go about it? / Post 90
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Post Date: December 23rd, 2001 12:29:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Everyone should be more child-like. Sounds like you have a great personality. This may sound surprising but consider that you may be more of a leader than a follower. You need to take your rightful place. At a party you should be the center of attention instead of the macho types. Do not try to wrest control from the macho types because they will use their bigness to squash your rap before everyone sees how interesting you can be. Instead start your own show a little ways away. Chat up someone who is less involved with the large macho show. It does not matter if this person is a guy or girl. Just get your own follower - just one at first. Be interesting. Then add another person. Keep being fun. Soon, people will notice and join your group - make sure you include them. You will drain away the audience from the other show. Soon you will be the leader - the alpha no one expected. When you one on one a girl remember to show her that fun can be sexy. -Juggler
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Chick Signals? WTF?! / Post 91
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Post Date: December 23rd, 2001 10:31:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Do not spend time figuring out if girls think you are attractive. You are wasting your time reading into the actions of women. "Does this mean she likes me? Does that?" Stop it! Do not give any relevance to a girl checking you out or not checking you out. This will just delay your approach. That stuff will simply not matter once you get comfortable making approaches. Approach the girls you want to. Do not give them a chance to check you out before hand. Do not try to see if they like you before you approach. Matter of fact, do not approach any girl who you think is giving you a positive look. Even if she is interested from what she sees, it is a crutch. From now on, you will make it on your words and personality or not at all! Fuck your looks! Try going out with an eye patch or something. It is not a matter of growing balls. That sort of thinking will only encourage you to beat yourself up and damage your confidence. Know that imagination is stronger than willpower. Whenever you feel you have failed yourself, instead of turning to self loathing, turn to your imagination. See yourself as a man who makes approaches. Imagine a confident outgoing person. Everyday, add details to this image. If you are not up to doing the challenges, go to the bar and instead of wasting time figuring out which girls think you are cute, use your imagination to see yourself making blind approaches. Spot girls, and in your mind figure out how you would approach them. Come up with your opening. Imagine going into a routine. Feel how big you would need to be to control the situation. If you do this you will experience a form of practice. Your subconscious mind can not distinguish reality from the pictures you put there through your imagination. Practice will make you feel more confident. You should also talk to girls who you are not attracted to. They will be less stress inducing. At this stage the point is not to score with a girl. The point is to improve your skills. -Juggler
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College: Im about to start / Post 92
College: Im about to start / Post 92
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Post Date: December 23rd, 2001 10:47:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
You are going to be in class with some cute girls. You may think, "I am going to see these girls for the rest of the semester. I can take my time and see if they like me and get to know them and then if things are right I will hook up with some of them." Do not do that. Sarge these chicks right away. Either they get with you or you get them out of your mind. Keeping them as possibilities will dilute your game. -Juggler
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Re: Hooks and Pauses / Post 93
Re: Hooks and Pauses / Post 93
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Hey CPowles, I have enjoyed reading many of your posts as well. Here is a little background: I am in entertainment. When I began my career I couldnt get anywhere near a stage so I took many of these strolling jobs. Newbie challenges, chatting up sales girls forget about it. I had to talk to hundreds of people a night under pressure of being funny and astonishing. That is where I discovered many interesting truths. And it is a short step to applying that knowledge to the art of meeting and seducing girls. The two overlap a lot in my life. Although I have been working on adding some NLP, my game was pretty much installed when I discovered ASF a short time ago. During my sarging I can sometimes be seen accompanied by a seven foot tall German giant who likes to say, Illlll crushhh eir eads. Besides that I cant understand a word he says. Anyway, I strongly recommend employing a goon. He is such a conversation piece. -Juggler
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Idiot / Post 94
Idiot / Post 94
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Yes, girls do not want to think of themselves as sluts but more importantly they dont want to be put into a position of having to make the move once they are horny. They want to be taken. In this case you may also need to give a specific type of SOI. One that lets her know that you are into being bold and taking women. Talk a little of your desires as a man. If she accepts that, then she will be more expecting your physical advance. As far as recovering, it is unlikely, but you may try to an email. But keep it short. This may seem counter intuitive but at this point you may want to tell her you would like to see her again if she can work around the boyfriend. This may explain away why you did a great job of seducing her up to a point but then did not finish the job - you were just being respectful of her situation. But you must word it so that she knows you are not applying to be a new boyfriend but that you will take her and give her great sex once she clears the boyfriend issue up. Thus you give her the option of coincidentally breaking up with the boyfriend and getting with you. Keep in mind this strategy is only recomended for your messed up situation and it is not being suggested that you tell other girls this. In any other situation you should never suggest she needs to clear up a boyfriend issue before getting with you. -Juggler
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This was odd... / Post 95
This was odd... / Post 95
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Eliciting values is not always a straight forward proposition. Many times you will get crummy answers. This is not because she is stupid or that there are not any deep values. It is just that she may not be used to sharing her feelings in this manner. You need to help her by giving examples and leading a little. If you change a state you need to be prepared to supply the meat of the topic until she gets warmed up. For instance: You:Why do you date who you date? I mean, what is your idea of the perfect guy? Her:I dunno, EXs name. You:How did he make you feel? Her:Um, normal. You:That is interesting because I dated a girl for awhile who I would say made me feel the same way. She was such a stable person. And she really knew how to love me. This sounds terrible but I broke up with her to be with this really naughty girl. Her: Yeah, I know what you mean. He was the perfect guy but.... what I really want is... Many times girls will give you lame answers. Do not take them at face value. Probe deeper by leading. -Juggler
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The dreaded, I dont know / Post 96
The dreaded, I dont know / Post 96
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Many times you will get crummy answers when eliciting values. This is not because she is stupid or that there are not any deep values. Try to make statements around your questions and provide examples. For instance: What are you passionate about in life? (Good question but many times it will be greeted with a boring, guarded answer) Instead try: I love to learn what excites a person. One of the things that gets me turned on is backpacking in wild regions. I find it adventurous and and exhilarating to wonder what is around the corner. Maybe it is a beautiful vista maybe its a hungry grizzly. So how about you? Whats one of your passions? Many times girls will give you lame answers. Do not take them at face value. Probe deeper by leading. -Juggler --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Pulling 1 Girl away from a Group of Girls / Post 97
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If her friends talk to you, try twisting around every topic so it is about your girl or you - conversational jujitsu. The others will grow bored of this topic and peel off while she will stay. At this point do not get sidetracked by fluff or these other girls life details. Be nice but control the conversation. Also, be aware of your positioning. Stay close to your girl. Do not wander within the group. And ask your girl to introduce you. Just ask her, "Who are your friends?" Her doing this, instead of you, will lightly suggest that, at least in this moment, you and this girl are together. Yes try to separate her from her friends. Let the group see that you are in control and are a cool dude or else they might try to block you. Try telling your girl the two of you need to go somewhere quieter so you can share something important with her, like palm reading, a special story, or whatever you do. Or just announce to the group you are taking her away for awhile then lead her off by the hand. Or, if you can pull it off, try asking her friends to give you two a little privacy. -Juggler
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Subject: Pulling 1 Girl away from a Group of Girls // view thread online
Hey Craig, Maybe I misunderstood here. Thought the situation was you were already in with a girl and then her friends came up. If that is not the case and you are asking how to work the group efficiently, then you should follow Powles advice, read Mysterys archive and also read my recent post on getting in with groups. As far as the other situation you mentioned. You should really pull both girls into you and let them compete over you. Challenge them to come up with the best erotic fantasy or something. Try to avoid roving around within a group. You must instead try to draw them in closer to you. -Juggler
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Lesson to learn: NEVER / Post 99
Lesson to learn: NEVER / Post 99
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There are many guys out there who try this way of showing interests in her interests. You can think of it as an advanced AFC technique. This can work for 8s and below. But 9-10s and girls who have had a lot of experience with guys hitting on them will not respond well to this kind of approach. She has all kinds of guys getting excited over the thimble collection her aunt Mildred left her. You must get her interested in YOU. Not the other way around. Your connection to her is made through shared emotional states not shared interests. Like many arts speed seduction is complex. You can become a master and then practice the art with simplification and ease. But you are trying to skip the work that is neccesary to reach that point by using a basic approach. Remember, great performers always make it look easy. But you dont see the years of sweat and toil they put in to get to that point. If you do a cool trick or have something great about yourself it can help you with girls. You just have to get them to ask to see these things. Appear a little reluctant to pull out your magic trick. You want to hook them and have them thinking it was their idea. -Juggler
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No Topic / Post 100
No Topic / Post 100
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You may be reading too much into these girls looks. The way a girl looks at you can be very deceptive. The first girl probably was hinting she wanted you to take her to see your car so she could be alone with you. -Juggler
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Seduction tips for women / Post 101
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I have been advising a female friend who is a little older. She likes to seduce young good looking guys. She finds many of the techniques transfer well. She uses many freedom type patterns. -Juggler
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Subject: Seduction tips for women // view thread online

I have been advising a female friend who is a little older. She likes to seduce young good looking guys. She finds many of the techniques transfer well. She uses many freedom type routines. -Juggler
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Introducing new user to ASF & Fastseduction / Post 103
Introducing new user to ASF & Fastseduction / Post 103
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WTF! We are introduced to a guy who tells us our group is not of any use. Then why are you here? This is nothing new. Some guy shows up here. Posts that he is a natural expert and our group is a waste of time and he gets plenty of girls using his basic approach. What a load. This group IS a valuable resource. Becoming great at consistently picking up hot girls takes skills. -Juggler
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Is it ok to suplicate if she suplicates??? / Post 104
Is it ok to suplicate if she suplicates??? / Post 104
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Yes, AFC. Stay away from courting symbols such as this. Instead, invite her over to your place for dinner as a way of paying her back. -Juggler
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Overnegging/rapport building tips needed / Post 105
Overnegging/rapport building tips needed / Post 105
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>So my questions are, >- do you guys think Im making >mistakes in the intro phase by >negging(being a sarcastic >punk) way too much? Probably yes. You got her attention. You brought her down. Now do something with it. More negs is not the answer. But you see this now - good. >- Clearly there seems to be a >problem in establishing >attraction/connection. What >should be done on the matter >(patterning, more >neutral/interesting story >telling?)? Yep. You showed her you can be strong and fun. Now show her you can be warm and sensual. >Just to clarify, I did kino >and kept a smiling/easy going >attitude all around, but >somehow I seem to miss the way >to show off interest. SOIs >ring in my mind right now, Yes. if you have attracted her sufficiently. >though Im hesitant to use >them for fear of coming off as >all the other guys out there. The other guys use SOIs too soon. Use them after you have attracted her and you should be alright. -Juggler
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when pickups go bad... / Post 106
when pickups go bad... / Post 106
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Initial response can be very deceiving and is based very little on your skills. Looks are of some importance. But remember your objective right now is to practice using your personality and voice. If you are a good looking guy you may want to handicap yourself by wearing something goofy, having messy hair or my favorite - wearing an eyepatch. Once you are real good at seducing without using your looks then make yourself up really well - use your looks and your SS and you will then kick some serious ass. Eject once you stop moving things forward. Always avoid backslide. -Juggler
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What Do You Do When Accused Of Being A Player? / Post 107
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Hey Rodden, Congratulations on your success. Try these: Her: Youre a player! and Youve got a fear of commiting to one woman, dont you? You: Thats right. But I am open to the possibility that a woman may be able to show me that I am wrong. or You: That is because I have alot of love to go around. (Do funny pelvic dance with hands on hips) or You: Yeah, isnt it exciting. or You: There is only one way to get good at sex. Practice, practice, practice. or You: Jealous? or You: I know. Why cant these girls figure it out. I enjoy the attention but it doesnt mean I want to sleep with all of them. Geeez. Im thinking of getting an unlisted number. -Juggler
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Subject: What Do You Do When Accused Of Being A Player? // view thread online
Yep. This is good HTH. Figure out the questions you are likely to be asked and develop kick ass answers. You want a girl to ask you as many questions as possible. When you give a great answers it is so much more powerful than if you just volunteered the information. And further more this is a good example of conversational jujitsu. Turning the table around so that it is about her. Good stuff. -Juggler
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NEGS by my friend / Post 110
NEGS by my friend / Post 110
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Heres one: It looks like youre an AFC. But at least youre trying. -Juggler
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Eye-Patch challenge / Post 111
Eye-Patch challenge / Post 111
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Here is Jugglers challenge. Especially for you good looking guys. Go out sarging with an eye-patch. or wear a really bad fake mustache. Handicap yourself to learn just how much your looks count. Sometimes I will introduce girls to my goon. (he usually hangs in the background) Do something that is obviously counter-productive. See if you can overcome. Its like lifting weights but alot more fun. Here is another. Leave your wallet at home. Bring your ID and just enough money for cover. Let the girls buy YOU a beer. Build your seduction strength. By the way, does anyone know where I can rent a fat suit? -Juggler
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PU Limits / Post 112
PU Limits / Post 112
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If you really feel like ejecting, you may want to throw an SOI out immediately before you leave. No close. Just SOI and vamoose. "I didnt notice this before but you are actually pretty sexy. Anyway, it was a pleasure chatting I have to go find my friend. Bye." You may be amazed how often a girl will track you down later. You can also use a hook. "About the way you carry yourself...excuse me, I see someone I have to talk with." -Juggler
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Is bullshitting with girls bad? / Post 113
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Hi Sebastian, Your approach is not really too bad. It is just that you need to follow up. This may be counter-intuitive to you, but you want the conversation about YOU. What interesting things you have to say, what stories you have to tell, what you think about her, your method of revealing dark secrets from a girls subconscious, etc. Not about her. Its about you. Talking about clothes, negging her, asking about her life etc. will work for a short time. But then she will see the pattern of what you are doing, she will see you working and she will shut you down. That way only works for chicks with a low self-esteem. The fuel that drives a conversation is curiosity. You must always prepare for that to be present. Yes you can keep a conversation on life support by being curious about her. And if done well, it can work. But really, hot girls get talked up about themselves all the time. Many guys try the busting on her approach. Really beautiful women have been hit on by guys since they were thirteen. She can see you coming a mile away. You must turn the tables and get her curious about YOU, get her coming on to YOU. Your instinct when you meet a girl should always be to hook her curiosity and have her asking you a question. That is the beginning of her chasing you. That is Juggler method. >me: Finish my undergraduate >studies, then maybe take over >a small African country... That is actually not bad stuff. But you need to hook after her laugh. You did get a laugh here right? You: "a small African country. I going to have to fill many positions in my new government. Lets see... (look at her appraisingly) What job would you be good for... (she is curious as to what you think she should do in your administration. Stretch it out.) I think you would be my... minister of education." Her: "Why education?" You: "Just look at your fingers (take her hand). Go into palm reading or jewelry powers routine.
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Story telling works just the same way - you want her to ask to hear them. Figure out all your good material and find a way for her to work to discover it. You do not want to EV her. You want HER EVing YOU. The purpose of EV is to find out a persons values and then appeal to those things. Let her be the one trying to align herself with YOUR values. You are the fucking prize. Then she will chase you, then she will close you. -Juggler
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When she closes you / Post 114
When she closes you / Post 114
Subject: When she closes you // view thread online

Hi Alessandro, I think I know where you are coming from. And in most conventional scenarios you would be correct. But keep in mind, under Juggler Method, you have chosen the girl to chase you. And you always have the option of not giving her your number. >when she gives you her number, >she didnt close you. She gives a chance to >respond to her. What were talking about here, IS her closing you. There is a big difference between that and simply getting a girls number. For a girl to close you means she is telling you she wants you. You have not asked to take her home or for her number. She is volunteering these things. There is no chance about it - you can have sex with her whenever you want. Under those circumstances it is wise to keep the dynamic afloat. -Juggler
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New Years Resolutions / Post 115
New Years Resolutions / Post 115
Subject: New Years Resolutions // view thread online

Try getting her to elicit YOUR values. You : "I have made three interesting new years resolutions." (Stop and wait. She will ask.) Her: "What are they?" You: "Im going to donate an hour a week to charity. Im going to take a cooking class. And Im going to give every girl I meet a raging orgasm." -Juggler
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Comebacks / Post 116
Comebacks / Post 116
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You had the girl where you wanted her - chasing you. Do not ask her a question here, that will turn around the dynamic which is already in your favor. Your first impulse should be to get her to further question you. Her: "Are you Steve?" You: "Funny you should mention that because I have a brother who is named Steve. He can do the most amazing trick with his tongue." Her: "What trick?" You: "Here. Have a seat and Ill try to show you...." -Juggler
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Subject: Is bullshitting with girls bad? // view thread online

Post Date: December 31st, 2001 02:54:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
>Thats exceptionally dynamic >stuff, Juggler. >It has the ring of a forgotten >truth. This could engender a >shift in my thinking... > >Do you have these thoughts >expanded upon elsewhere? > >Sebastian Poe Hey Sebastian Actually, I have thought about bringing a website online to describe my approach. Who knows if I will ever get around to it. But feel free to email me any questions you may have about this method. -Juggler
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Im a great looking guy and girls stay away from me / Post 119
Im a great looking guy and girls stay away from me / Post 119
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Post Date: January 1st, 2002 08:40:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey Jim, It sounds like you have become good at approaching and getting in with a girl. You talk about extracting a girl so you have some skills. You may be stalling the interaction. Try going for the kiss after a high point. Also, are you using SOIs? Another possibility that you may not have considered is that you may not be going after attractive enough women. Try only working 9-10s. Many 7-8s may feel you are out of their league and do not take your interest seriously. You may also want to try a different method altogether. Work on getting her to chase you. And, yes, post some of the details of your approach or email me and I will try to help you diagnose exactly where your sticking point is. -Juggler
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yeah rite / Post 120
yeah rite / Post 120
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Post Date: January 1st, 2002 08:53:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Dont be too disheartened Alessandro, New Years Eve for many girls is couples night. The chicks you see are usually waiting for their boyfriends to park the car or are on their way to meet him. They cant be inviting with their boyfriends appearing any second. Dont take their attitude as a reflection on your skills. On the other hand, if you did find a girl who was manless or if you could strip one off she would have really been motivated to get physical with you. New Years Eve, for most guys, is the time to go out with one of your own girls or sarge at a private party. >I rather be in siberia, >holding shoulders with >50 guys, and dancing the >jewish/russian circle >dance and throw my legs around >than go out again in a night >like this for >sarging; lol -Juggler
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Table of Contents
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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101 . . . Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . Getting her horney about someone else. / Post 61 . . . . Waynes World Negs... / Post 62 . . . . . . . . A Formula mini-story, part I. / Post 63 . . . . . . . No Topic / Post 64 . . . . . . . . . . . KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) / Post 65 . . . . nice trixx to get some attention / Post 66 . . . . . . Social Proof ?? / Post 67 . . . . . . . . . . Watching Politicians! / Post 68 . . . . . . . . Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 69 . . . . . . . . How to get in with a group / Post 70 . . . . . . . Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 71 . . . . . . . . nice trixx to get some attention / Post 72 . . . . . . Lesbian Routine / Post 73 . . . . . . . . . . Dont drink yourself drunk until after you have closed! / Post 74 Re: some advice on "just say hi" / Post 75 . . . . . . Re: Legal Warning #3 to Formhandle / Post 76 . . . . Re: Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 77 . . . . . . . Re: Lesbian Routine / Post 78 . . . . . . . . . OT: I WAS ROBBED!! / Post 79 . . . . . . . . Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? / Post 80 . . . . Funny NG / Post 81 . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Getting started / Post 82 . . . . . . . . . Re: Newbie Mission Complete. What Next? / Post 83 . . . What to answer when she asks:Where are you from? / Post 84 Openers for mixed groups / Post 85 . . . . . . . Talked too much, HELP! / Post 86 . . . . . . . . Re: Best tactic? Jerk or warmth? / Post 87 . . . . . . Hooks and Pauses / Post 88 . . . . . . . . . Sarging Alone - Need an Excuse? / Post 89 . . . . . How should I go about it? / Post 90 . . . . . . . Chick Signals? WTF?! / Post 91 . . . . . . . . College: Im about to start / Post 92 . . . . . . . Re: Hooks and Pauses / Post 93 . . . . . . . . Idiot / Post 94 . . . . . . . . . . . . This was odd... / Post 95 . . . . . . . . . . The dreaded, I dont know / Post 96 . . . . . . . Pulling 1 Girl away from a Group of Girls / Post 97 . . . . Pulling 1 Girl away from a Group of Girls / Post 98 . . . . Lesson to learn: NEVER / Post 99 . . . . . . . . No Topic / Post 100 . . . . . . . . . . . Seduction tips for women / Post 101 . . . . . . . Seduction tips for women / Post 102 . . . . . . . Introducing new user to ASF & Fastseduction / Post 103 . . Is it ok to suplicate if she suplicates??? / Post 104 . . . . Overnegging/rapport building tips needed / Post 105 . . . when pickups go bad... / Post 106 . . . . . . . . What Do You Do When Accused Of Being A Player? / Post 107 What Do You Do When Accused Of Being A Player? / Post 108 NEGS by my friend / Post 110 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 25 26 27 28 29 31 32 34 35 36 38 39 40 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59
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Eye-Patch challenge / Post 111 . . . . . . . PU Limits / Post 112 . . . . . . . . . . Is bullshitting with girls bad? / Post 113 . . . . . When she closes you / Post 114 . . . . . . . New Years Resolutions / Post 115 . . . . . . . Comebacks / Post 116 . . . . . . . . . Is bullshitting with girls bad? / Post 118 . . . . . Im a great looking guy and girls stay away from me / Post 119 yeah rite / Post 120 . . . . . . . . . . DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Getting her horney about someone else. / Post 61

Getting her horney about someone else. / Post 61

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Waynes World Negs... / Post 62

Waynes World Negs... / Post 62

Subject: Waynes World Negs... // view thread online

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A Formula mini-story, part I. / Post 63

A Formula mini-story, part I. / Post 63

Subject: A Formula mini-story, part I. // view thread online

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Subject: No Topic // view thread online

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KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) / Post 65

KINO: Sweep her off her feet (literally) / Post 65

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nice trixx to get some attention / Post 66

nice trixx to get some attention / Post 66

Subject: nice trixx to get some attention // view thread online

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Social Proof ?? / Post 67

Social Proof ?? / Post 67

Subject: Social Proof ?? // view thread online

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Watching Politicians! / Post 68

Watching Politicians! / Post 68

Subject: Watching Politicians! // view thread online

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Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 69

Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 69

Subject: Jugglers Girlfriend Test // view thread online

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Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 69

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How to get in with a group / Post 70

How to get in with a group / Post 70

Subject: How to get in with a group // view thread online

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How to get in with a group / Post 70

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

How to get in with a group / Post 70

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Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 71

Jugglers Girlfriend Test / Post 71

Subject: Jugglers Girlfriend Test // view thread online

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nice trixx to get some attention / Post 72

nice trixx to get some attention / Post 72

Subject: nice trixx to get some attention // view thread online

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Lesbian Routine / Post 73

Lesbian Routine / Post 73

Subject: Lesbian Routine // view thread online

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Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Re: some advice on "just say hi" / Post 75

Re: some advice on "just say hi" / Post 75