Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:49 PM Okay...that doesnt seem very fooling.

The four envelopes he's using all contain yellow cards and a note. The other envelopes are in order and facedown (the lett ers). He now names the envelopes in the order, the "real" envelopes are in (the ones he will show at the end) and then he just turns the packet of envelopes ove r...That's definetely not better than the original version, but yeah...:) Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on th e present moment. Buddha 1 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply #7 User is offline PipPipPipPip Add as Friend PM this member Group: Super Magician Posts: 685 Joined: 19-October 11 Gender:Male Years In Magic:2-3 Found Us:Google Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:18 PM Yeah, when I read the ad for this effect, I was pretty excited ... there has to be a better way to do this. Conceptually, I think this could be a very strong routine. The problem is, the s econd I saw the extra envelopes I knew ... I'm not sure, how this would play out to a lay audience though ... but I think most of my friends will immediately as k to see the other envelopes especially given that there is absolutely NO justif ication for having extra envelopes on the table. Zero! That being said, I'll just write a quick set up here. I agree with everything Pe rfectSleightz has said about the four envelopes with yellow cards and note sayin g that this will be the colour they pick. Initial Set-Up: Y (facing up), (envelope blank) Y (facing up), (envelope blank) Y (facing up), (envelope blank) G (facing down), ("G" pre-written on face) R (facing down), ("R" pre-written on face) B (facing down), ("B" pre-written on face) Blank (facing down) Y (facing up), (envelope blank) Apple Icon

The blank yellow is brought up from the bottom in the video to show that it is b lank on both sides. It's then added to the pack so that all the top cards are ye llow. Since the magician calls out the order of the cards, you will see that the pre-w ritten "G", "R", "B" are facing down because later they will be turned face up w hen the switch occurs. This will put the order of the cards as "B", "R", "G", wh ich will match the order that the magician calls out in the beginning. Here are some comparison images of the pre-written letters. You can spot the sli ght variation in widths and shape of the letters. I don't think this is a deal b reaker, as no one will ever really notice the difference if you write consistent ly. Resized to 46% (was 1512 x 1008) - Click image to enlargeAttached Image: monthly _11_2013/post-5890-0-25409600-1383848050.jpg

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My main issue is that there must be a way to present this without the extra enve lopes. Although the switch movement is justified by telling the spectator to hol d her last envelope close to herself, there remains no justification for the ext ra envelopes. Conceptually, I think the routine can be ironed out a bit more. In my mind, what made this routine so powerful was that I imagined this really c lean presentation. Now that I've seen a video, I think that more thought needs t o be put into this. This post has been edited by Apple: 07 November 2013 - 01:19 PM Apple 0 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply #8 User is offline PerfectSleightz Icon

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Years In Magic:6-10 Found Us:Magic Site Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:44 PM View PostApple, on 07 November 2013 - 01:18 PM, said: In my mind, what made this routine so powerful was that I imagined this really c lean presentation. Now that I've seen a video, I think that more thought needs t o be put into this. Totally agree! I first was stumped when I heard how clean it is. But now...meh.. .. Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on th e present moment. Buddha 0 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply #9 User is offline Master Magician PipPipPip Add as Friend PM this member Group: Advanced Magician Posts: 135 Joined: 11-January 09 Gender:Male Location:Poland Years In Magic:6-10 Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:26 PM It's Devin Knight. Did you really expact this trick could be any good? 0 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply #10 User is offline PipPipPipPip Add as Friend PM this member Group: Super Magician Posts: 685 Joined: 19-October 11 Apple Icon Darek Icon

Gender:Male Years In Magic:2-3 Found Us:Google Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:41 PM I've been thinking about this throughout the day to try and find a better way to do this ... So far the best solution I've thought of is to use some type of switching pad in stead of having the envelopes out in the open. The Platt Pad comes to mind (as t hat is the only switching pad, I really know about, perhaps there are better one s out there, I really don't know ... I'm really hoping some of you may have alte rnatives to the Platt Pad as a switching device). In my mind, the routine would go something like this: you would bring out only f our envelopes (they all force the yellow card and the little prediction slip). T hey proceed to name what they think is inside each envelope. As they name what t hey think is in each envelope you take that envelope from the table and use the switching pad as a hard surface to write each letter. Once the spectator gets to the last envelope, you pick it up write the letter "Y " onto it and start the process of the switch. First, you prep the envelopes to be switched by taking them out of the holder in the Platt Pad. The envelopes are now loaded and ready to go in your left hand. So at this point, the correct env elopes are underneath the pad. You then take all the envelopes that are stacked on top of the pad in a pile and tell the spectator to take the "Y" envelope. As they take the "Y" envelope you look at them directly and explain to them the imp ossibility of you knowing what they would pick last (although, if you really thi nk about it, of course you knew because you've been telling them what colour ord er you wanted them to choose in!!!).' So in this moment, you're holding a pile of envelopes (to be switched out) in yo ur right hand. As the spectator takes the top "Y" envelope from you, you bring t he pile of envelopes quickly underneath the Platt Pad and exchange it for the co rrect envelopes you have already prepared. This switch is done quickly, casually and all under the misdirection of you telling the spectator how impossible it i s for you to have known which envelope they would have picked last. I believe the strength in using a switching pad is that you can begin your prese ntation with the appearance of only four envelopes. Assuming you are using a swi tching pad from the beginning of your show, there is no reason to suspect the ob ject as suspicious because you've been using it throughout the show already. The switching pad needs to look just like an ordinary object. In the instance of th e Platt Pad, it looks like a normal memo pad. So now, the objective of the mentalist has changed slightly. The mentalist needs to justify the switching pad and using the switching pad to write on and hold. The justification in this situation is that he needs a hard surface on which to write upon and further, the mentalist has already been using the pad since the b eginning. As you can see, there is no question as to the extra envelopes because there are not any extra envelopes to be seen. To further my point, suppose you executed the switch perfectly using the handling we saw in the MagicGeek video. At the end of the effect, you're still left with four extra envelopes sitting on your table. As a spectator, the first question I would ask is "why are there fo ur other envelopes on the table?". In my suggested handling and employing a swit ching pad, if you execute a flawless switch, meaning they don't see it and don't suspect it, then the spectator is left with nothing they could question about. On a side note, another idea I had is the ability to integrate something like a "Switch-a-roo" into an ordinary object. If you really want to go extreme for a c

ompletely clean presentation then this would be the route to take: http://youtu. be/giOjTpkYSns Simply hide one up your sleeve and you're good to go! [Edit] Actu ally the best place to hide a device like this would be in a U.C.C.U. You get to switch it right in front of them without having your hands go out of sight and it's all done under misdirection, PLUS you can have your sleeves rolled up! This post has been edited by Apple: 07 November 2013 - 05:55 PM Apple 0 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply #11 User is offline Grandpuma Icon

Magician's Assistant Pip Add as Friend PM this member Group: Regular Magician Posts: 3 Joined: 04-April 13 Years In Magic:2-3 Found Us:Magic Site Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:38 PM I think the original Blindsight routine was a bit better, as there weren't any e xtra dodgy envelopes that had to be accounted for (maybe 1 extra maximum so you could do a flustration count to show all the envelopes blank). Also the envelope s were pretty much examinable and the 'outs' seemed a lot more impressive! If it 's not broken why fix it? 0 + Back to top Report Icon Report Reply Icon MultiQuote Reply Icon Reply Currently viewing all posts. Change threshold? Search Topic ? Previous Topic Mentalism Next Topic ? Share this topic: Email Print Download Page 1 of 1

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