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In 1970 after a near-death experience, Joe McMoneagle discovered that he had an unwanted knack for leaving his bod , as well as an uninvited capabilit for !spontaneous knowing! "suddenl knowing what a person in another roo# was thinking about$% &e now is considered to be a world-class !re#ote viewer%! 'pon enlisting in the (r# in 19)*, McMoneagle was recruited b the (r# +ecurit (genc for classified assign#ents% &e spent 1* ears on overseas #issions% In 197, he was assigned to the head-uartres of the '%+% (r# Intelligence and +ecurit .o##and "I/+.0M$ in (rlington, 1irginia, where he served as +pecial Intelligence 2ro3ects 0fficer, .ounter-Intelligence and 2h sical +ecurit 0fficer, and 0perations +pecialist-+enior /on.o##issioned 0fficer% 4hile stationed in 5er#an in 1970, McMoneagle collapsed one da in a restaurant and endured a #ost unusual event--a near-death experience "/67$% In a hospital where he had been delivered dead on arrival "60($ with no pulse, McMoneagle recovered, onl to learn he suddenl possessed a involuntar knack for leaving his bod % 8or exa#ple, while tr ing to sleep, he suddenl would find hi#self floating through the trees, or perhaps being relocated to a Japanese te#ple% &e also discovered that he possessed a capabilit , again, unwanted, for !spontaneous knowings! "suddenl knowing what a person in another roo# was thinking about$% 9 nature a nuts-andbolts t pe of gu , McMoneagle was disturbed and even depressed b these happenings% !M realit as I understood it was co#pletel shattered,! he later wrote% :he /67 proceeded to beco#e one of the deepest and darkest secrets of his life for eight ears% (fter reading a book on out-of-bod experiences "097s$ called Journeys Out of Body, b 9ob Monroe, as well as an article fro# the 3ournal of the Institute of 7lectrical and 7lectronic 7ngineers Inc% "or I777 Journal$ in 197,, McMoneagle began to understand his new realit % :he article, written b &al 2uthoff, a scientist in charge of a govern#ent-funded re#ote viewing progra# at +;I International in Menlo 2ark, .alifornia, addressed so#ething called !re#ote viewing%! ;eading these, McMoneagle gained the first real sense of who he was and what exactl he could do% <ater, he would spend 1* #onths at 9ob Monroe=s institute, learning how to successfull control his

097s "which up to then had been spontaneous$% :he sa#e ear, the (r# decided to create "as a counter to the perceived threat of +oviet ps chic espionage$ a ps chic sp ing unit co#prised of re#ote viewers% :he (r# had heard about the +;I progra# and was i#pressed% 9ecause of the recurring ps chic experiences following his /67, McMoneagle was one of six intelligence officers recruited for the unit% (t +;I, he beca#e the first test sub3ect in the progra#=s six- ear histor to place five #atches on the first tr % +ubse-uent training in ;1 techni-ues transfor#ed McMoneagle into an exceptionall talented re#ote viewer% &e re#ained with the unit until his retire#ent fro# the (r# in 19,* and earned a <egion of Merit award for !providing crucial and vital intelligence unavailable fro# an other source%! :his intelligence dealt with #ore than 1>0 different targets? McMoneagle #aintained his association with the ps chic sp ing progra# through the co#pan he founded in 19,*, Intuitive Intelligence (pplications% &e continued working as a ;1 consultant to the .ognitive +ciences <ab at +;I International% 4hen the lab was transferred to +cience (pplications International .orporation in 1991, he continued his ;1 consulting work there% McMoneagle is still e#plo ed as a research associate at the .ognitive +ciences <ab "now in 2alo (lto$, where he continues to seek #ore effective answers to -uestions concerning the applications of ;1 and its underl ing #etchanis#s within the field of the paranor#al% McMoneagle has been successful in de#onstrating ;1 both live and on ca#era, and, in fact, was one of the first persons ever to de#onstrate ;1 before national television and radio audiences% (s the onl re#ote viewer to be part of the for#al govern#ent re#ote viewing progra# fro# its beginning to end "197,-199>$, McMoneagle received publicit when the .I( first publicl acknowledged the progra# "right before ter#inating it$ in late /ove#ber 199>% 8ollowing the .I( announce#ent, articles referring to McMoneagle appeared in Time, Newsweek, The Washington Post% &e was also interviewed b :ed @oppell on Nightline% McMoneagle is the author of Mind Trek: Exploring Consciousness, Time and Space Through Remote Viewing% 0riginall published in 199A, an expanded edition was released in 1997% &is re#ote viewing drawings and acco#plish#ents are also published in other books, including The Mind Race b @eith &arar and ;ussell :arg "19,*$, Natural ESP b Ingo +wann "19,7$, and Miracles of Mind "199,$ b ;ussell :arg and Jane @atra% 4&(: I+ ;7M0:7 1I74I/5B ;e#ote viewing is the act of perceiving and describing details about a distant person, place, thing, or event, via ps chic #eans% :he ter# was originall coined in 1971 b paraps chologists at the (#erican +ociet for 2s chical ;esearch "(+2;$ in /ew Cork to describe a t pe of 7+2

experi#ent "specificall , one designed to test !traveling clairvo ance!$% 8ro# the ver start of its usage, re#ote viewing has referred not to an abilit , but to an entire experi#ental #odelD thus, it is alwa s done within an approved scientific protocol% :hough this protocol does involve using ps chic abilit , it is not an new ps chic abilit , but an a#alga# of what was for#erl called clairvo ance, telepath , and thought-transference% /u#erous re#ote viewing protocols have been created% 0ne of the earliest, a protocol essentiall for testing and practice, calls for one person--the !outbounder!--to go to a rando#l selected location--the !target!--while a second person--the !re#ote viewer! "a%k%a% ps chic test-sub3ect$--sits and waits in a windowless roo# in a lab% (t an appointed ti#e, sa in A0 #inutes, the re#ote viewer is asked to verbaliEe or draw the location of the outbounder% ( world-class re#ote viewer not onl can draw and describe that location, but can do so with #easurable accurac % ( follow-up visit to the location b the viewer usuall confir#s that?

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:o#F 8irst of all, Joe, we are curious to know what it was like being a !ps chic sp ! "also known as !;e#ote 1iewing (gent G001!$% 6id ou en3o the workB 4as it gla#orous or exciting in the wa #ost of us ordinar folks i#agine espionage work to beB JoeF 4hile the work was so#eti#es exciting, it definitel was not gla#orous% Intelligence work, b its ver nature, re-uires that it be done in the background, without notice, as unobtrusivel as possible% +ince success highlights a vulnerabilit , success is never discussed openl % :his holds true for all for#s of intelligence work, including re#ote viewing% 0ur work was generall focused on perfor#ance, so a lot of pressure and alwa s a ver serious attitude were present% 4hat #ade it terribl difficult at ti#es was having to function within a general at#osphere of ridicule, specificall fro# those in the #ilitar who re3ected what we were doing out of hand% /ot ever one accepted, or wanted to accept, the fact that we were able to do what we were doing%

:o#F Cou were involved with the govern#ent=s re#ote viewing progra# first as an (r# officer, and then, after our retire#ent fro# the #ilitar , as a civilian e#plo ee, for a total of 1, ears% &ow #an operational taskings--we probabl should refer to the# as ps chic sp ing #issions--did ou engage in during these earsB JoeF 0ver the course of nearl 1, ears, I was probabl involved in a few thousand operational taskings% More difficult, however, were the #ore than 1000 !viewings! I did for research purposes during this period% (nd I probabl did another H>00 for practice,operational de#onstrations, private and public de#onstrations, and that sort of thing% :o#F 4hat was our accurac rate for these taskings, or #issionsB JoeF (ccurac is difficult to #easure% 0perationall , it is a #easure#ent of whether or not ou gave so#eone the answer the were looking for% Cou could #ake >0 or )0 state#ents, the #a3orit being unverifiable, but if ou provided that one fact the were looking for, then ou would be considered accurate% In truth, accurac should onl be #easured in a laborator , scientificall % :hat wa , both the target and the circu#stances of the !viewing! can be scientificall controlled% :he scientists present know how #uch ou said, how #uch of what ou said was right, how #uch of what ou said was wrong, and, usuall , how #uch ou could have said but didn=t% M average under these circu#stances ranged between )> and 7> percent% :o#F 4e know that ou=re under /ational +ecurit constraints, and sworn to secrec oaths, but are there an taskings or #issions that perhaps have been declassified that ou can tell us aboutB JoeF 4ell, in 1979, #ost '%+% Intelligence agencies had beco#e aware that the ;ussians had built what was the largest building under a single roof in the world% /o one in these agencies, however, knew what was going on inside% I was asked to re#ote viewing this facilit , and I said I thought the were building a sub#arine% I was also able to provide specific details about this sub#arine, including its siEe, ar#a#ent, hull configuration, and even the pro3ected date of launch% (s a result of this infor#ation I provided, the intelligence co##unit was later able to confir# the existence of the new +oviet !: phoon!-class sub#arine--the largest in the world? (nother tasking

assigned to #e ca#e when (r# 9rig% 5en% Ja#es 6oEier was kidnapped b the ;ed 9rigade in northern Ital in 19,1% 'pon re#ote viewing the situation, I was able to provide the na#e of the town and a description of where he was being held% 6oEier was freed, however, before # infor#ation "which was correct$ arrived on site% :o#F Joe, how #uch of the govern#ent=s re#ote viewing progra#--which for#all existed fro# 197, to 199>, rightB--would ou esti#ate is still classifiedB JoeF :he (r# re#ote viewing progra# began in 197, and ended in /ove#ber of 199>% 2robabl less than two percent of the infor#ation pertinent to the progra# has been releasedD certainl al#ost none of the operational data% ( great deal of the research data is still classified as well% :o#F .an ou tell us which govern#ent agencies utiliEed ou for ps chic sp ing workB JoeF M <egion of Merit award, which I received for # work in the re#ote viewing progra#, #entions a nu#ber of agencies, including the .I(, 6I(, 89I, +ecret +ervice, 6epart#ent of 6efense, '%+% .usto#s, and even the '%+% .oast 5uard% :here are nu#erous others which will re#ain anon #ous% I #ight add that, as is nor#all the case, infor#ation of extre#e value is alwa s separated fro# the source, in order to protect the source% +o, it would not be surprising if so#e of the agencies that used our services didn=t even know the were doing so% :o#F :hese agencies #ust have been highl satisfied with our perfor#ance? :he fact that ou received the <egion of Merit award, we think, is testi#on to that% JoeF Most of the agencies were satisfied% If one understands how intelligence infor#ation is actuall used, then one would understand that our #aterial was no #ore or no less valued than an other sources #aterial% It #ost certainl was never intended to be used as a !stand-alone! #aterial, which is a fabrication%

:o#F 2robabl the #ost extensive book published to date about the govern#ent re#ote viewing progra# is Ji# +chnabel=s *>H-page Remote iewers! The Secret "istory of #merica$s Psychic S%ies "1997$% &aving been a part of the progra# during its entire existence, do ou regard this book to be a fairl accurate portra al of the progra# and the individuals involvedB JoeF .oncerning Remote iewers, it is probabl *0I)0--the )0 percent being wa off #ark% 4ithout confir#ing or den ing an of its content, I can sa there are two #a3or holes in it% 8irst of all, 1) of the H) people interviewed for the book had no direct knowledge of the (r# re#ote viewing progra# except through hearsa % Most of # !interview! was extrapolated fro# a talk I gave at the Monroe Institute in 1irginia, and re-uired at least a few leaps of logic% +o#e of the people interviewed had axes to grind% (nd, if ou exa#ine the book carefull , ou will notice a total lack of infor#ation concerning the research side, after 19,), when about 7> percent of the research was expended "between 19,) and 199>$% :o#F Cou=ve been called !the #ost renowned re#ote viewer in the 'nited +tates,! but we #ight never have heard of ou "or the re#ote viewing progra#$ if it had not been for the sterling spade work done back in the 1970s b fa#ed ps chic Ingo +wann--who has been called the !father of re#ote viewing!--and the scientists at the (#erican +ociet of 2s chical ;esearch "(+2;$ and the +tanford ;esearch Institute "now known as +;I International$% +urel ou #ust feel a good deal of gratitude to these individuals% (n others who co#e to #ind and who ou think should be acknowledged for their contributions to re#ote viewingB JoeF If ou want to refer to the !father of re#ote viewing,! ou would have to go back half a centur to the 8rench paraps chologist, ;ene 4arcollier% (t a lecture he delivered at the +orbonne in June 19*), he presented the results of hundreds of experi#ents that he had conducted in the decades prior% :he exa#ples 4arcollier presented were clearl , and without a doubt, re#ote viewing% 4arcollier=s work was certainl li#elighted b Ingo +wann=s work with the (+2;, as well as b the work done b 6r% &al 2uthoff and ;ussell :arg at +;I International% 2at 2rice, one of the first re#ote viewers to be tested b 2uthoff and :arg, certainl was instru#ental in establishing the intelligence value of re#ote viewing% (nd, over the past 10 ears, a significant a#ount of research has been published b 6r% 7dwin .% Ma of the .ognitive +ciences <ab% 4e could not have gotten to where we are without an of these individuals, as well as the doEens of others who #ade significant contributions%

:o#F Cou were featured on an (9.-:1 special back in late /ove#ber 199> called 2': :0 :&7 :7+:, and successfull de#onstrated our re#ote viewing abilities before a huge national audience% 4eren=t ou the first person ever to do thisB &as an one else, to our knowledge, done it sinceB JoeF I #ight have been the first person to de#onstrate re#ote viewing on a #a3or :1 network, but plent of others preceded #e in de#onstrating it on fil#% Ingo +wann, 2at 2rice, and &ella &a##id, all re#ote viewers at +;I International during the =70=s, were part of this bunch% I #ight add that, in regard to the (9.-:1 special, I=ve since done seven #ore shows like it, both here and in 7ngland% :o#F 'pon retiring fro# the #ilitar in 19,*, ou founded Intuitive Intelligence (pplications and proceeded to #ake our re#ote viewing services available to the public% Cour co#pan is still around toda , and we wonder what t pes of clients ou tend to attractB JoeF In regards to # business, Intuitive Intelligence (pplications, I=ve alwa s pro#ised # clients full anon #it % +o, I cannot be too specific in # response% I can sa that I=ve provided support to anthropologists, geologists, engineers, private investigators, law enforce#ent officials, invest#ent counselors, people involved with research and develop#ent, as well as private citiEens with uni-ue proble#s% Most of # clients, about ,0 percent, are serious and no-nonsense t pe of people, the rest perhaps a bit over the edge% +ince I prioritiEe # work, there are so#e I have to turn awa % :o#F Cour highl acclai#ed book, Mind Trek: Exploring Consciousness, Time and Space Through Remote Viewing "first published in 199A$, was republished in June 1997% 4e understand ou added so#e new #aterial% 4hat did ou addB JoeF I added two chapters% 0ne addresses the for#al review of the re#ote viewing progra# that was done b the (#erican Institutes for ;esearch "(I;$, a review that was ver negative in nature% :o show the real #erit of re#ote viewing, I provide "in this new chapter$ an exa#ple of a si#ulated intelligence target we did for a specific agenc to test # abilit % It clearl

de#onstates our level of co#petence and flies in the face of the (I; report% :he other new chapter addresses what I call 6elusions and 2otentialsD in other words, what re#ote viewing can and cannot do% I also corrected a nu#ber of glitches that were present in the first edition% :o#F 0ne of the #ost interesting chapters in our book is titled !(nother 4orld,! containing an account of our re#ote viewing so#e p ra#ids on Mars% Man readers of the book were probabl a bit surprised to learn that one can actuall re#ote view such things? :ell us, is there an thing that cannot be re#ote viewedB &ow about '80sB JoeF In # H0 ears of experience with re#ote viewing, I=ve never known a target that could not be re#ote viewed% 9ut there are so#e targets, I feel, that shouldn=t be viewed% :here are also targets about which nothing can be verified% '80s fall s-uarel into this categor % It=s # opinion that re#ote viewing should be used when and where it will do the #ost goodD e%g%, against terroris#, to assist police, in support of nuclear non-proliferation, and so on% :&7 5017;/M7/: ;1 2;05;(M (fter 197H, scientists at +;I International, the nation=s second largest !think tan,! i#proved and expanded upon the original re#ote viewing ";1$ protocol created at the (+2; in 1971% :he discover that a protocol involving geographical coordinates enabled re#ote viewers to accurate draw and describe a geological target drew the attention of '%+% intelligence agencies with interest in considering !coordinate ;1! as a potential intelligence-gathering tool% (fter .I( funding, other agencies, including the ultra-secret 6I(, /av , (ir 8orce, and /(+(, also helped finance the research% 9 197,, the (r# had heard about the +;I progra# and decided to create its own secret ;1 unit% It was initiall codena#ed 50/60<( 4I+&, and consisted of (r# intelligence officers with so#e natural ps chic abilit who were then fa#iliariEed with the ;1 techni-ues developed at +;I International% :he (r# ;1 unit operated covertl for 17 ears under various code-na#es% :he progra# established to e#plo it eventuall passed to the 6I( and finall to the .I(% 'sed pri#aril as an offensive sp ing unit, its services were #ade available to the entire '%+% Intelligence co##unit %

:he ;1 unit was ter#inated b the .I( in late 199>, and declassification of its records began% :his paved the wa for !civilianiEation! of ;1, and for teaching ;1 techni-ues b for#er govern#ent re#ote viewers to the public% :o#F In our book ou touch upon what perhaps could be referred to as !past viewing,! and relate how re#ote viewing can be utiliEed to a#plif our knowledge of past events% .an ou provide us with so#e exa#plesB &ow about the @enned assassinationB .ould that be re#ote viewed in order to learn the real truthB JoeF +o#e exa#ples of past viewings would beF locating things on archeological digsD expanding upon an anthropological histor of a specific cultureD or, looking at details surrounding a historic event% :he idea behind past viewing is to provide verifiable infor#ation that will expand our existing knowledge of these things in so#e wa D perhaps indicate a place to dig, identif a few sources of infor#ation, guide so#eone to so#ething that supports a new theor , or so on% +o#e things, such as the @enned assassination, are best left alone% :o#F 4e heard that ou=re at work on another book, one which deals with !forward viewing,! or re#ote viewing the future% &ow far into the future have ou viewedB JoeF M next book, tentativel titled A Journe Through Time, is nearl finished% It contains about 1>0 predictions relevant to now through the ear H07>% (nother section of the book describes what the 7arth and life on it will be like in the ear A000% :o#F +o, re#ote viewing is not constrained b ti#e? It=s astounding to realiEe that one can actuall re#ote view the past and future as well as the present% :his aspect of re#ote viewnig sort of verifies 7instein=s words, !:he distinction between past, present, and future is onl a stubbornl persistent illusion%! JoeF :hat=s right, re#ote viewing is not constrained b ti#e% :i#e does, however, create so#e proble#s% In the case of re#ote viewing the past, one runs up against well-entrenched beliefs and theories that people are not willing to

change% ;e#ote viewing the future has its own proble#s% In so#e cases, once the viewer has gotten out 3ust a few ears "into the future$, she or he #ight be able to see the infor#ation with 100 percent clarit , but will lack knowledge of the concepts needed to glue it all together and per#it its understanding% (s a parallel, i#agine so#eone in the ear 1,,0 tr ing to describe how a #odern-da , high-energ pu#p laser operates% :o#F Joe, can ever one learn to re#ote viewB (nd, if so, to the sa#e degreeB JoeF ;esearch of over H> ears shows that 3ust about ever hu#an being ever tested was ps chic to so#e degree% +o, es, 3ust about an one can learn to re#ote view% &owever, the degree of abilit displa ed will range across the board% +o#e persons prove to be ver good, others never get be ond !gestalt! "or rudi#entar re#ote viewing$% Innate talent has a great deal to do with it, like athletic prowess or having a #usical ear% :o#F 4hat advantage #ight a person have b being able to re#ote viewB JoeF (ctuall , the viewer has ver little advantage% (s a viewer, one cannot pick and choose targetsD otherwise, the protocol is invalidated% :here are wa s of coping with this proble#, such as #ixing a target in with several hundred others% :he real advantage to learning how to view re#otel is that one assu#es control of what is happening in the #ind% :he benefits are thereF pain control, focusing abilit , tapping of creative 3uices--that sort of thing% :o#F In the past, ou=ve referred to re#ote viewing as a !#artial arts of the #ind%! 4hat exactl do ou #ean b thisB JoeF In the #artial arts, one #akes a stud of an appropriate techni-ue that others have establishedD it #ight be called a st le% 0ne proceeds to practice this techni-ue, usuall for ears, until it is second nature% 0nce a certain level of co#petence has been reached, one then i#proves on the techni-ue b adding his or her own st le% <earning re#ote viewing is not so#ething one does for a couple of ears% It=s so#ething ou do for a lifeti#e% It=s a #artial art of the #ind%

:o#F 8or those readers interested in learning about re#ote viewing, how do ou reco##end the do soB JoeF I=d like to sa find so#ebod co#petent to teach ou% 'nfortunatel , there are ver few teachers who have succeeded in understanding the basics of re#ote viewing% Man who have hung up shingles don=t even know what the re#ote viewing protocol consists of% If I were 3ust beginning, I=d tr and find # own road% I=d learn fro# a reputable scientist what constitutes a valid protocol, and then 3ust start practicing% ( basic protocol, b the wa , can be viewed on our web siteF www%lfr%org% :o#F (n plans, Joe, for beco#ing a re#ote viewing teacher ourselfB JoeF I have no i##ediate plans to teach re#ote viewing% I a# not sure we know enough about it et to be teaching others past a rudi#entar level% 9esides, I=# ver bus still learning #ore about it # self% I=# full involved in re#ote viewing research as a research associate with the .ognitive +ciences <aborator in 2alo (lto ".alifornia$, and a# a full #e#ber of the 2araps chological (ssociation% (long with # writing and the de#ands of # business, this work keeps #e -uite bus ? :o#F :hank ou, Joe, for #aking this interview such an interesting one% NOTE! &f una'le to locate a co%y of M&N( TRE) in your local 'ookstore* you can order the 'ook directly from the %u'lisher 'y calling toll+free ,+-..+ /00+-..1* or 'y writing to "am%ton Roads Pu'lishing 2o3* -1, Norfolk S4uare* Norfolk* # 567.53 Joe McMoneagle can 'e contacted 'y writing to &ntuiti8e &ntelligence #%%lications* P3O3 Bo9 ,..* Nellysford* # 5517-3 JendK