THE HON BILL SHORTEN MP
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
MEMBER FOR MARIBYRNONG
E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
3AW WITH NICK MCCALLUM, DARREN JAMES AND JOHN HOWSON
SUNDAY, 25 MAY 2014
SUBJECT / S: Tony Abbott’s Budget of Broken Promises; Asylum seekers; Cuts to education and university fee increases; Families in public life.
THE HON BILL SHORTEN MP
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
MEMBER FOR MARIBYRNONG
E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
3AW WITH NICK MCCALLUM, DARREN JAMES AND JOHN HOWSON
SUNDAY, 25 MAY 2014
SUBJECT / S: Tony Abbott’s Budget of Broken Promises; Asylum seekers; Cuts to education and university fee increases; Families in public life.
THE HON BILL SHORTEN MP
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
MEMBER FOR MARIBYRNONG
E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
3AW WITH NICK MCCALLUM, DARREN JAMES AND JOHN HOWSON
SUNDAY, 25 MAY 2014
SUBJECT / S: Tony Abbott’s Budget of Broken Promises; Asylum seekers; Cuts to education and university fee increases; Families in public life.
MEMBER FOR MARIBYRNONG E&OE TRANSCRIPT RADIO INTERVIEW 3AW WITH NICK MCCALLUM, DARREN JAMES AND JOHN HOWSON SUNDAY, 25 MAY 201
SUBJECT / S: Tony Abbotts Budget of Broken Promises; Asylum seekers; Cuts to eduction nd uni!ersity fee increses; "milies in #ublic life$
HOST! Last week we spoke to Prime Minister Tony Abbott on the federal Budget, heres some of what happened:
T%&' ABB%TT (AU)*%+: You cannot spend what you havent got, and you cant borrow what you cant repay. And if a Government spends money today, its either got to be paid for by todays taxes or tomorrows taxes.
HOST! Joining us now the federal pposition Leader Bill !horten" Mr !horten, good morning" #o you agree with that statement$
BILL SHORTEN, LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION! % think this whole federal Budget by Tony Abbott has shown that this is a &o'ernment who is willing to break its promises and tell lies before the ele(tion"
HOST! )o, thats not the point" The point is, he said you'e got to pay it e'en today or put if off til tomorrow" !o its not about broken promises, its about how do we pay the debt" *hat would you do to pay the debt$
SHORTEN! Lets +ust deal with ea(h of those points you +ust made" %f you ask me do % agree with Tony Abbott, that you'e got to pay debts, yes % do" % dont think you need to be Prime Minister of Australia to work that out" But if youre asking me if % support the Budget, whi(h is going to see our pensioners slugged, going to see Medi(are with new ta,es, going to see petrol go up for a (ooked up Budget (risis whi(h % think is e,aggerated by this &o'ernment, thats what % really think" % think this &o'ernment has gone too hard, % think it shows - % think Australia in the last fortnight has had a good look at Tony Abbotts Budget and they dont like it"
HOST! Mr !horten, the defi(it ta,, ob'iously % think is a broken promise" But there is e'ery indi(ation - and % belie'e Penny *ong also indi(ated this morning - that you will support it in the !enate" *hy$
SHORTEN! .irst of all, it is a broken promise, absolutely" % think about / per (ent of Australia earn more than 0123,333, theyre going to ha'e to pay more in(ome ta," % mean thought it was the Liberal &o'ernment who said they were for lower ta,es and Labor wasnt, and this (learly shows that old myth is +ust a fairytale" But when you 4uite rightly say well, 5whats Labor going to do on it, theres so mu(h to oppose in this Budget, and going ba(k to something whi(h one of your panellists said earlier, 5what would you do$ *e dont support the defi(it le'y or new in(ome ta,es on people who go to work, but with our s(ar(e politi(al (apital, our priority is to stand up for lower and middle in(ome earners"
HOST! A" what point, and % mean % mentioned this is a diffi(ult one for you guys, at what point do you blo(k indi'idual bits of the Budget, before you end up blo(king supply$ *hi(h of (ourse for the Labor party is a horrendous thought" #o you ha'e to be (areful$
SHORTEN! There are different bits of legislation and youre 4uite right with your 4uestion to highlight the fa(t that there is plenty of detail and different laws whi(h will (ome into the parliament" !ome of the (hanges whi(h Tony Abbott wants to introdu(e into his Budget wont re4uire a passage of law, it will get there" thers, the &reens ha'e said theyll support" Again, % think thats pretty ironi( - remember Tony Abbott used to (arry on a fair bit about Labor 'oting with the &reens$ %tll be Liberal 'oting with the &reens to gi'e e'ery motorist a new petrol ta," There are some whi(h we wont support but were not going to die in a dit(h o'er, and there will be other measures we oppose" %n terms of the a(tual supply bill, what Labor has had a traditional (on'entional ob+e(tion to is when the &o'ernment of the day needs money to pay its pensions, its publi( ser'ants, you wouldnt blo(k them" !o yeah sure its a mo'ing feast, but some of the prin(iples that we would adopt - % think though what has been interesting is that so many Liberals ha'e either been missing in a(tion on the Budget" % mean, wheres Mal(olm Turnbull, he hasnt e,a(tly worked up a sweat selling his former ri'als Budget" And there are others 4uietly ba(kgrounding +ournalists saying they think its gone too far" !o %m not sure how mu(h of this Budget we'e heard about a fortnight ago will e'en get presented to the parliament" % mean, 6hristopher Pyne and Peter #utton, the 7ealth Minister, ha'e said that theyre prepared to negotiate, so 8
HOST! *ill you negotiate with them$ Are you prepared to negotiate on things like interest rates on 796!, say for instan(e, whi(h Mr Pyne has indi(ated that he would negotiate$
SHORTEN! *ere prepared if the Liberal &o'ernment is going to agree with us" *e dont think that they should in(rease the interest rate on loans to students" % think sometimes in Australia we take our good fortune for granted, and one of the things of our good fortune is that (hildren, no matter what their ba(kground, ha'e an opportunity to better themsel'es in life" And what will happen with the in(rease of uni'ersity fees and the (utting of uni'ersity funding 8 and therell be lots of parents listening to this show today li'ing from modest means" % mean theyre not li'ing in Toorak, but theyre reasonably well off or they li'e in the bush and theyll be saying 5well, will we be able to afford to send our kids to uni'ersity$ This is where this terrible po'erty of 'ision in the Abbott &o'ernments Budget has gone - were (reating two Australias" % ha'e to say that surely there is a smarter way to run this (ountry than (reating an under(lass" % mean, this idea that were not going to pay the unemployed anything for si, months, this will lead people to begging and worse"
HOST! Just to point that out, thats +ust for the youth, its +ust for people under /3, its not uni'ersal, its the youth"
SHORTEN! % know it is for people under /3, but %m not sure - if youre :;, the bills arent any (heaper, the food, the (an of baked beans doesnt get a dis(ount be(ause youre under /3"
HOST! *ell the 4uestion will be for many people - an pposition should oppose, thats fair enough - but what would you do if you were in &o'ernment to get rid of the debt$
SHORTEN! *ell, first of all, we would drop this paid parental lea'e s(heme whi(h is going to (ost 0:: billion o'er the ne,t four years" <eally, is there a (ase to be made to pay millionaires an e,tra 0=3,333$
HOST! )o"
SHORTEN! !o theres 0:: billion" The go'ernment wants to remo'e the means testing of pri'ate health insuran(e" And we want to en(ourage - we get that people should be en(ouraged to ha'e pri'ate health insuran(e" But if youre earning a 4uarter of a million or a million dollars, you probably dont need a ta,payer funded subsidy to help you buy your health insuran(e" !o thats probably worth another 0/ billion" But then again, % ha'e to say, we (an find some sensible sa'ings, my proposition though is Tony Abbott and Joe 7o(key, theyre the Prime Minister and the Treasurer of Australia, were not going to be as ruthlessly negati'e as they were in pposition" But this is not a good 'ision underpinning this Budget" *hen all is said and done, we didnt ask Tony Abbott before the last ele(tion to say that thered be no (uts to health and edu(ation, we didnt ask him to say thered be no (uts to the pension, we didnt ask him to say a range of the promises - no in(reases in ta,es" % remember he used to gi'e Julia &illard a tremendously hard time for breaking an ele(tion promise" Tony Abbott has broken more promises than plates at a &reek wedding"
HOST! k, gi'e us two measures in the Budget you will try to blo(k in the !enate the Labor party will try to blo(k in the !enate$
SHORTEN! *ere not interested in a &P ta, 8
HOST! >ep, so thats the 0? (o8payment, you mean$
SHORTEN! >es" And the new ta, on petrol, we dont see that thats the right thing to do"
HOST! k so those two you will oppose in the !enate, and that of (ourse means they ha'e to go to the (rossben(hers to try and get through"
SHORTEN! >es" And again, for listeners who say 5oh my goodness, its two sides of politi(s banging on, why (ant they +ust get on we understand that theres a sensible task to be done with the Budget, but we dont belie'e that the fair go in Australia and the safety net should be undermined" *e dont belie'e that broken promises and lies before the ele(tion should be allowed to translate to a permanent under(lass in Australia like they ha'e in other (ountries"
HOST! 6onsidering the fa(t - % mean youre the new pposition, good lu(k to you, you know, lets ha'e a (lean slate" *hat happened before you be(ome pposition Leader is done" %n retrospe(t, do you regret the sort of spending that went on under the pre'ious Labor &o'ernment$ % mean there was some horrendous wastes of money that went on" % mean the fa(t that we (an'assed Afri(a and god knows where to get a seat on the !e(urity 6oun(il, a temporary seat" The fa(t that we ga'e money to the 6aribbean, millions and millions of dollars for them to fight (limate (hange" % mean there was a lot of money gi'en away with great abandon, do you regret all that spending$
SHORTEN! % think its fair to say that the pink batts program, whi(h is probably the highest profile one, where there was a lot of spending to help the e(onomy and the insulation in peoples roofs, that was rolled out far too 4ui(kly, and we'e seen the terrible and tragi( (onse4uen(es" Anyone who says that they'e done e'erything right after their time in &o'ernment is a fool" But ha'ing said that, % also must submit to you that Australia had a triple A (redit rating at the end of Labors time, whi(h it didnt ha'e when they (ame into power" There were nearly a million +obs (reated, about a million +obs (reated during the global finan(ial (risis in Australia, where /3 million +obs were shed in other parts of the de'eloped world" Theres always a +ob to be done and people (an always do better, but % ha'e to say when it (omes to this &o'ernment and what they said and did before the ele(tion to what they are doing now, % am appalled that the best they (an do is hit low and middle in(ome earners and family payments, to uni fees and to Medi(are and to petrol and to the pension"
HOST! ne 4uestion" The boats ha'e stopped, so % belie'e that there should be amnesty to e'erybody who is in detention at the moment" &i'e them amnesty, (lear the de(ks and say thats it, we'e gi'en you amnesty to suitable people to (ome and li'e in Australia, fair enough, and we'e (leaned the de(ks" *hat would you do when you be(ome Prime - if you be(ome Prime Minister - what would you do to keep the boats stopped$
SHORTEN! % think regional resettlement, started by Labor, has worked" %t does dis(ourage people (oming through the people smugglers" *e dont want people drowning at sea and being e,ploited - their desire to ha'e a better life - being e,ploited by people putting them on unsafe boats" !o regional resettlement is a big part of Labors strategy for boats" And we are wat(hing what the &o'ernment does 'ery (arefully, in terms of what theyre getting done and what theyre telling people"
HOST! And Mr !horten, %'e got to ask you about the front page of the 7erald !un today" *hat was your rea(tion when you read Tim Mathiesons atta(k on Margie Abbott$
SHORTEN! % thought it was way out of line" Tim Mathieson got a hard time when he was Julia &illards partner, but % dont think that Margie Abbott is a legitimate target" !o no % dont agree with what Tim said, % felt for the Abbotts on that one"
HOST! %ts not fair to atta(k .ran(es Abbott either, % think keep families out of it, keep families out of it"
SHORTEN! %m in publi( life so % ha'e that 'iew" % pra(ti(e that 'iew, yeah and % get that Tim got a hard time, and he did, but what % also belie'e is that - if youre dealing with Tony Abbott, theres plenty to disagree with if youre thinking about politi(s, % dont think Margie or his daughters fall into that (ategory at all, they shouldnt be in the politi(al firing line"
HOST! And neither should your family"
SHORTEN! And nor - thats right" % didnt like it when it happened to Tim, and % dont like it now"
HOST! % re(kon the last time we spoke to you, or one of the last times we spoke to you, you were at the start of a fun run" Are you still running$ %s there enough time to 8
SHORTEN! >eah, % got a little bit of bron(hitis, but yeah % ha'e a done a few, but %m not going to set any land speed re(ords"
HOST! )o but at least youre out there ha'ing a (ra(k"
SHORTEN! >eah its really good" But %m going off to see Little League so((er now, out in &ladstone Park, its a sunny day in Melbourne" %ts a good normal !unday" Then % go to 6anberra"
HOST! And you ha'e an abnormal week" 7ey good to talk to you, thanks for making yourself a'ailable this morning"