THE TYLER DURDEN

HANDBOOK

THE ALPHA MALE

ATTITUDE IS WHAT DETERMINES WHAT YOU GET AWAY WITH

ALPHA BEHAVIOURS HIERARCHIES / STATES & WINGTACTICS
WHAT IS GENUINE? WHAT IS MUTUAL BENEFIT?
NEW AGE MALE
TOO ALPHA OVERQUALIFICATION
THE NEXT LEVEL
DEVELOPMENTAL MAP OF A PUA
25 POINT AFC CHECKLIST
10 ALPHA BEHAVIORS

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STATE CONTROL

STATE CONTROL
INNER GAME
IMPROVEMENT AND INTERNAL DIALOGUE

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SOCIAL DYNAMICS

THE SECRET SOCIETY

SCIENCE OF SOCIAL NETWORKS
SOCIAL INTELLIGENCE VIBING
JUST GO OUT AND WATCH

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EARLY GAME

LOW KEY VS HIGH IMPACT PU

INDIRECT VS DIRECT
KEY DISTINCTION INTRIGUE VS ATTRACTION
SETS VIA ENERGY/MATERIAL VS STRENGTH OF FRAME
ORIENTING YOUR GAME TO YOUR DESIRED RESULTS
THE PROCESS NO ONE IS ABOVE IT
FRAME SETTING
AVOIDING FRAMES
PROXIMITY IOIS
COMMENTS ON AI
TONALITY
PLAYING HARD TO GET
ACTIVE DISINTEREST
ACTIVE DISINTEREST IS NOT ASEXUAL IMPORTANT
THE BEGINNING, AND TRANSITIONING
INITIATING APPROACHES ANGLES, MOVEMENTS
HOW TO PICK UP, FOR REAL
STREET SARGING
SHORT SET METHOD
MORE ON SHORT SET METHOD
CRAIGS METHOD...THE NATURAL WAY
2 C&F ROLEPLAYING FRAMES I USED LAST WEEKEND
CHICK CRACK: MINI-COLD READS
THE 101 PRIMER NEO-RIO

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FALSE DIQUALIFICATION
FALSE DISQUALIFICATION EXPLAINED
PUSH / PULL TACTICS FOR RAPPORT AND ATTRACTION
THE ELASTIC BAND EFFECT
SWINGGCAT QUALIFYING AND CHALLENGING
CONVEYING STANDARDS / MAKING GIRLS QUALIFY
IDENTITY BY MYSTERY
ADDED VALUE BY STYLE
PRERESEARCHED EV
BUYING TEMPERATURE
STRATEGIC BUYING TEMPERATURE ESCALATION
SWITCHING GEARS AND READING SIGNS
SPASTIC LATE NIGHT RAMBLING
MIXING AND MATCHING V, A, C, Q, S
BUILDING JEALOSY INTO A SARGE
SOCIAL PROOF TRICKS (PIVOTS)
BACKTURN HANDGRAB FOR MOVING CHICKS
RAPPORT BUILDING
RAPPORT AUTOPILOT RESPONSE
KINO TESTS
KINO ESCALATION
CAVEMANNING, BODYLANGUAGE, AND PUA CYCLES
ROUTINE THEORY
NEW ROUTINES (BREAKDOWN AND BUILDING)
HABITS LEAD TO ROUTINE GENERATION
ROUTINE / OPENER CURVE
THE ROUTINE CURVE IN PUA DEVELOPMENT
THE ANOMOLY EFFECT
HIGH DRAMA STATE CHANGES
DISSECTING SHIT TEST PASSING MEASURES
SHIT TEST PASSING COMPETENCY
SEXUAL PREDATOR MISINTERPRETATION
ENVIRONMENTAL STATE BREAKERS
CHECKLIST FOR GAME PLAN

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LATE GAME

SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE

GETTING COMFORTABLE SO YOU CAN WORK
HOW TO FUCK A WOMAN WHO WANTS TO BE FUCKED COOLJOE
NOTES ON TONGUEDOWNS
CONVERTING C&F INTO TOUNGUEDOWN
AFTER KISS CLOSING
DISARMING LMR
MORE ON DISARMING LMR
AFTERBAR LATENIGHT FOOLS MATING TECH

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AMOGs & BOYFRIENDS

BOYFRIEND DESTROYER
HANDLING AMOGS
QUICK AMOG TACTICS
MORE AMOG TACTICS
SUBTLE EXAMPLE OF AMOG STUFF

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APPROACHING CHICKS WITH BFS / DATES

COUPLES ON DATES
TUG OF WAR THE ULTIMATE PUA BATTLE

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TROUBLESHOOTING

LOCKUP
HOW TO TAKE THE FUCK OVER A SET
OWNING A GROUP SET
DOWNPLAYING GIRLS HAVING FITS
BUSTING GIRLS ON THEIR MANNERISMS
CALLING CLUB GIRLS ON BEING UNGENUINE
TURNING AROUND A SET

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PHONE GAME

HOW TO PREDICT FLAKES

PHONE GAME

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HOW TO GET 7S AND 8S CONSISTENTLY

UG THEORY
PICKING UP HIRED HOTTIES
DONT BE THE CHEESY GUY
DIFFERENT METHODS TO LOOK AT
WHO ARE YOU?
SICKBOY INTERVIEW ****

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ATTITUDE IS WHAT DETERMINES WHAT YOU GET

AWAY WITH
Question: When does pushing a chick come off as desperate?
Answer: It depends on your attitude, and how youre perceived by the chick in question.
How you are perceived determines what you get away with.
An alpha guy can get away with SHIT jokes, and people will laugh. He can get away with grabbing chicks, pushing chicks, making
fun of chicks, and pretty much ANYTHING THE FUCK ELSE he wants.
Heres are some examples from REAL LIFE:
EG#1)
The Mr. Popular alpha male of his grade is sitting beside a girl I know in their science class. A movie is playing and its dark. He
pulls out his dick, and tells her touch my finger.. she touches it, realizes its his dick, and shreiks.. hes like what.. it was just my
finger.. and she shreiks and giggles and looks all flushed.
She doesnt even have any interest in the guy, but because hes COCKY/FUNNY, he not only gets away with PULLING HIS DICK OUT
and TRICKING A GIRL INTO TOUCHING IT, but he actually GAINS her interest by doing it.
Now if a BETA guy did that, he would be instantly EXPELLED, ridiculed, and possibly CRIMINALLY CHARGED.
EG#2)
You guys read in many of my field reports, instances where I steal shit from chicks and push them into change rooms in stores and
all sorts of stuff like that.
Now when I was at my Mystery Method workshop, I was initially learning the method and C&Bed a few times in a row. It was
getting to me, and for No9s amusement, I steal a chicks drink who has been snubbing me. She gets angry, freaks out, and says
some shit to me and leaves. I look like a WEIRDO, and she thinks that Im FUCKED IN THE HEAD. If any guys were with her, she
probably would have told them to fuck me up or something.
Of course, Ive done this SUCCESSFULLY more times than I can remember. So why did it bomb this one time? Because I looked
and in fact WAS being beta at the time.
I realized I was fucking up, bounced back, and pulled off the maneuvre to wicked success several times after that, realizing where
Id fucked up, and taking measures to correct it.
I get away with ANYTHING like that normally, if Im -ON-. But when Im tired and looking run down, if I do that stuff (often out of
habit), I get the OPPOSITE results than the ones Im looking for.
EG#3)
A alpha type guy PUSHES and PUSHES and PUSHES a chick for sex, maybe a date, hatever. The chick thinks its funny, sexy, or
cute.. often, she eventually cracks and they fuck. Why did she fuck him? He was just so confident. Hollywood examples are Ben
Affleck in the movie Pearl Harbour when he picks up the nurse, and Mel Gibson in the movie What women want when he picks up
Marrisa Tomei.
A beta type guy does the same thing, and she CALLS THE POLICE and gets a RESTRAINING ORDER. Why did she do that? He was
desperate and his desperation made him seem scary.
So why does this stuff happen?
Because if you are perceived as ALPHA, then its implicit that you can sex up chicks on a regular basis.
So if youre doing this stuff, its just for FUN.
A beta type guy acting cocky/funny (such as the dick pullout trick) is perceived as maybe going over the edge. (he either doesnt
know his place in the heirarchy, or is making a lame-ass attempt to pull one over, or is just plain weird)
If he steals stuff from the chick as a joke, its perceived as him REALLY STEALING shit from her, since he obviously wouldnt be
trying to flirt with her, since a beta type guy doesnt really flirt.
If hes PUSHY for sex, he comes off as ON THE EDGE and SCARY and maybe even CRAZY or a RAPIST, since a beta type guy doesnt
do stuff like that unless hes losing it.
Conclusion:

If youre alpha, you get away with ANYTHING you want, and people rarely question it.
When you try this type of stuff, try to GAUGE how people are reacting to it.. do you sense that theyre questioning it, or do
they just think its funny and cool? If you feel like its not working for you, try ADJUSTING your behaviour in some way, and
seeing if that works. Youll get it eventually, it just takes time and experience.

ALPHA BEHAVIOURS HIERARCHIES / STATES &

WINGTACTICS
About a week ago, I showed up at my friends birthday pub-crawl in a local Kingston bar.
I arrived late, and searched the bar for my friends. Upon finding them, I discovered that they were drunk, and basically ignored me,
making me feel beta, thus ruining my state.
The rest of the night I was unable to approach effectively, and my game basically BROKE DOWN.
WHAT - CAUSED - THIS???
Lowrider recently posted about the difference that he found from one night to the next. The first night, his state was ruined by a
snub early on. Bad night. Negative experience. The following night, he was ON FIRE. Ruled the club. An ON night, as Style
(CPowles) would call it.
WHY THE DIFFERENCE??? WHAT CAUSED THIS???
Researchers have found that males testosterone levels are effected even by trivial events such as their favourite sports team
winning or losing a game. Our testosterone varies depending on the level of success that we have.
Mystery calls this MOMENTUM. Our state DRASTICALLY affects our ability to pickup girls. They pickup on it.
THEY PICKUP ON IT.
When Im in a good state, I can perform at elite levels. On some rare occassions Ive seen my game run even as tight as Mysterys.
Ill feel great, practically invincible. Cocky as ever, I feel like I can pickup any chick in the club - and I CAN.
I CAN THINK OF ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO SAY. ROUTINES AND LINES ARE FLOWING OUT OF MY MOUTH EFFORTLESSLY. I
AM FUNNY, SHARP, COCKY, AND ITS ALL EFFORTLESS. I AM ON.
Other nights, I cannot initiate a chat to save my life. SERIOUSLY, I CANNOT INITIATE A CHAT. No exaggeration. Ill try, but Ill be
snubbed over and over.
Literally, no exaggeration. I get sub-AFC. This happens to me at least one out of every 5-6 times that Ill go out.
So what causes this???
After meeting and talking with many other PUAs in real life, Ive been able to peice together a trend.
It has to do with how ALPHA you feel at the time, and the BIOFEEDBACK that you get as a result.
This also relates to WING TACTICS, which will be explained more in depth later in the post.
EXAMPLES:
1) No9 is Mysterys roomate. No9 does not enjoy going out and playing pickup with Mystery. Similarly, when No9 goes out with
Twentysix and I, hell often sit there and just watch.
This struck me as strange, because during my MM-Workshop, he was an instructor, and showed incredible skill.
I asked Twentysix, dude, why is 9 not sarging lately?.. Twentysix didnt know.
THEN, when we did the Toronto Workshop, I look over and see No9 BUSTING PHAT MOVES. Hes working it in front of the
STUDENTS. Hes working the room, PUing chicks left and right. His skill is coming through, and hes on fire. Top-skilled PUA.
WHY?
2) Twentysix always has new chicks on the go. When he goes out with his normal wingman, 10magnet, hell get several #s that turn
into get-togethers. When he went out with RickyRoma and TorontoGuy, he worked the shit - had girls all over him, etc etc. But
when Twentysix goes out with ME, he doesnt usually get strong results. Hell get GOOD results, but not NEARLY as close as when
hes with weaker wingmen.
WHY?
3) Usually (not always) when I meet new ASFers, I am in impressive form. When I meet a new ASFer, I expect them to have
almost no skill, and to be generally impressed with me.
Then I met SUPERSLICKA in Ottawa, and as it turned, he had GAME. I was surprised, since on the phone Id kind of treated him like
a newbie. We get to the club, and I find myself kind of talking faster than usual, and telling him tons of stories about chicks Ive
gotten with. I wondered why am I doing this, but continued on in this fashion. My night was mediocre.
The next night got WORSE. My game FELL APART. I had difficulty doing approaches, and initiating chats with anyone in the club.
WHY? (my results were better than second time we hung out, but thats a whole nother post)
4) Papa and I spent 6 weeks travelling together. At first, my game was significantly stronger, and Papa would generally just watch
what I would do, and try to copy it. He commented that he was disappointed that I wasnt learning as much from him as he was
from me. As he picked up on what I was doing, he not only internalized it, but actually IMPROVED ON IT. His game became
extremely tight, and I began to sort of sit back and watch. As the week progressed, my game began to FALL APART. I was in very
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Then, one night in Wisconsin Papa gets all drunk with his friends. Were all out together, and I am free to sarge without watching
Paps working the room better than I am. I have the first TOP NOTCH night in a long time. I get SOLID meet-closes with no less than
EIGHT girls, have girls CRAWLING on me, get tonguedowns, and have girls on me all night. My confidence is restored, and I have
MOMENTUM.
The next day we travel to Chicago where I meet Orion and MadDash.
As posted, I have 2 TOP DAYS in a row, including the stripper adventure and the Smashing Pumpkins adventure. I tonguedown
around 15 girls in 2 days, and have girls lusting and crawling all over me. Meanwhile, Papas game FALLS APART.
He is fucking up under the pressure of hoping to impress Orion and MadDash, and generally does NOTHING of note.
He later comments I felt like going over to you and asking you to open sets for me.. I dunno what it was.. I kept thinking shit, I
need TD in set with me..
This was the guy who had DOMINATED the clubs for the past 3 weeks. Still, he couldnt take the pressure when my game was on.
WHY?
5) Often my game will be tight as fuck all week. Then, when I go to visit my PU-tutor, Mystery, my game will be WEAK. In fact, in
all my time with Mystery, Ive never shown him my tightest game.
When it comes to PU, Mystery is so alpha that it cannot be conveyed over this internet chat board. Words cannot describe what the
guy can do.
There are guys on the Lounge who have written extensive commentary on strategy PURELY for sarging AROUND Mystery.
Mystery is my teacher, and even though we can hang out and bust on eachother like normal guys, Ive never had strong game
around him when were in the club. Not bad or anything, but never strong.
In fact, the ONLY guy who can wing effectively with Mystery is STYLE. PERIOD.
WHY?
Its interesting, because when you look back at the case where I showed up at my drunken friends party, and I was ignored, my
game fell apart.
The days where Ive had STRONG game, have often been when Ive hit up the shopping mall, and chatted up the CLERKS who HAVE
to chat me as part of their job. I eventually attract some of them, and feel a strong state.
I then show up at the club EARLY, and chat up the staff.. The momentum from the mall clerks propels me to succeed with the
barstaff, and then I get in an even better mood.
This momentum then turns into an amazing night, and I have many successful PUs.
Generally, the success of my night is STATE BASED. I do well when I have MOMENTUM.
WHEN YOUR WINGS GAME BREAKS DOWN - PROCEDURES:
In the past, when my wingmans game had broken down, Id stop and start running strategy and criticism on why it has occured.
Try to get to the bottom of it, etc etc.
This has NEVER been helpful, and has always just made things WORSE. It never got good results.
What Ive figured out now, is that GIVING ADVICE is OUT-ALPHAING your wingman.
By taking your advice, your wingman is BETA-ing himself.
Doing this in PICKUP is CATEGORICALLY DIFFERENT than in tasks such as academic work, because ALPHA STATE will DICTATE
RESULTS.
In academic work, for example, you can take advice from someone, and it will improve your final draft.
However, during pickup, as you take advice, you feel beta-ed, and your results become WORSE and WORSE.
Again - taking advice during ANY other activity is EFFECTIVE, because the advice is HELPFUL.
Because the MERE ACT OF TAKING ADVICE makes you feel beta, it is UNHELPFUL. Therefore you must always AVOID giving advice
to your wingman IN FIELD, and SAVE it for a post-game DEBRIEF.
It is my opinion that STRATEGY SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED WHILE IN THE MIDST OF PLAYING THE GAME, and should be saved
for a post game debrief.
THE SOLUTION:
When your wingmans game breaks down, the KEY is to AVOID talking about pickup.
Realize that the SMALL AMOUNT of strategy that you can discuss will NOT change your wingmans game enough in such a short
period of time to effect substantial change in his game.
The SOLUTION is to TAKE A BREATHER, and just go play pool or go outside for a bite to eat or something.
JOKE AROUND.
Do NOT address that his night is going poorly. AVOID it.
If he asks why, just say dude, youre MONEY.. those chicks were defective anti-social.. do you wanna go find some NORMAL
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LET YOUR WINGMAN TAKE CHARGE of the situation, so that he can RETURN to alpha-state.
Do NOT start offering advice, or you will BETA his state.
Do NOT tell him about all the chicks you are picking up.
Just joke around, and put him into a situation that will BOOST his state / elevate his testosterone / whatever.
**Get him to TAKE CHARGE in a way that is SUBTLE, so he doesnt know that you are deliberately patronizing him.
If you can prod him to do something that makes him feel alpha, he will return to alpha-state, and again become a helpful and
effective wingman.
This is important of course, for 2sets and just because in general, your wingman should be social-proofing you. An ideal pair of
wingmen dont cockfarm eachother out. They BENEFIT and SOCIAL PROOF eachother, because they are BOTH cool guys.
A tactic that helps with this is:
ACCOMPLISHMENT INTRODUCTIONS:
When my wingman comes in, I give him the BEST introduction possible.
Guys guys! This is Twentysix! This is the COOLEST MUTHAFUCKA on the ENTIRE PLANET.. If you talk to this guy for even 30
seconds, you will clearly see that he is the coolest fucking guy Then update him on what youve been chatting the chicks about, so
he can throw in his 2c. This also sets the frame that you are more into your wing than the chicks. Bros before hoes mentality.
Makes you seem cooler and thus more attractive to the set.
Alpha heirarchy bullshit will dictate whether or not you pull the FINEST girls
on any given night.
Take for example the parties that Ill attend. On nights when I am the coolest guy in the room, I have FULL ATTENTION, and I am
the ANCHOUR of the conversations. (as discussed in the post below this one).
On such a night, I WILL pull the hottest girls, or at very least have all of the attention and IOIs. However, if a cooler/more alpha guy
shows up, I will NOT have good results. Ill probably go home with nothing, or scraps.
More on wingman tactics:
Ive noticed that when I have a newbie with me, Ill usually TAKE CHARGE. I am the man. I go into sets WITHOUT THINKING. I AM
ALPHA.
However, when I have an equally skilled PUA with me, I sometimes think more about results. I think too much. Will I get snubbed?
Will this work? etc etc...
With a new guy, I dont have TIME to think about this stuff. I have to TAKE CHARGE of the situation. I feel ALPHA, and chicks
PICKUP on it. I have an excellent night. OK, thats all I can think of on this topic. Alot of disorganized blather.
Hopefully people will derive usefulness out of it, and results.

WHAT IS GENUINE? WHAT IS MUTUAL BENEFIT?

The latest discussions about genuine behaviour have just gotten me thinking about something that hasnt really been cashed out on
this board lately.
WHAT IS GENUINE? WHAT IS FAKE? WHAT ACTIONS ARE GENUINE ACTIONS? HOW DOES THIS EFFECT US? WHAT
PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES ARISE FROM THIS? WHAT CONSTITUTES MUTUAL BENEFIT IN PICKUP?
A very important topic.
Try to bear with me, chunks practical and tactical materials ARE buried within..

In my experience, if I ask a girl what sort of way she feels a guy should go about picking her up, shell often reply with something to
the effect of:
Well.. He should come and say Hi. Then he should just be himself.. He should be confident.. Introduce himself.. Maybe have a
sense of humour.. Talk to me a bit so that we can get to know eachother.. And ask me if Ill go somewhere nice with him.. Oh yeah,
also I like it if hell just give me his number, just in case, you know..
This way, she can screen him on looks, and proceed to make a rational decision on her terms.
It would be uncommon to hear a girl say, I want a guy who will dupe me into a conversation with a chick-bait opener, tease me
until I almost lose my mind, weave back and forth with stories that make me go crazy, spin me around and trick me into kissing him
with my eyes closed, tell me cute things about himself so Ill go ga-ga for him, and make fake pre-suppositions to be alone with him
so he can caveman me.
Nor would she likely say I want a guy to hypnotize me with neuro-linguistic-programming.
Nor would she likely say I want a guy who will ignore me and blast me off my pedastal by only talking to my friends, so that Ill revalidate myself by sleeping with him.
Of course, these last three work consistently on women of exceptional beauty, and the first one doesnt (again, CONSISTENTLY).
I draw this conclusion based on experience. My first 8 months in the game, I only had a book called 10 Secrets for Success with
Beautiful Women by a woman named Ursula Lidstrom.
She advocated the sort of approach that most women would want, and claimed her expertise as exceptional because she is a
woman offering inside info.
Her system was to be yourself, confident, and genuine. Also, to demonstrate alpha status through good bodylanguage and being
well dressed. After hundreds of approaches, I got this down pat.
I did at least 5 approaches a day (though usually more), just being myself, confident, and getting to know girls in a way that was
very cool and genuine - all as Ursula Lidstrom suggested. Read the book probably 10-15 times. (sidenote: EXCELLENT info on
bodylanguage and GWM-style phase shifting can be found in this book, if you screen the rest).
Unfortunately, for those eight months I did not have sex even ONCE. I am not good looking, and could have had sex with HB7s, but
that did/does not interest me. I was entirely celibate those eight months. I made many non-sexual friendships with girls, who still
to this day social-proof me on campus.
But whenever Id try to escalate, theyd react with Youre a really great guy. Im just not looking for someone right now. Youre
really confident, youll find someone.
Bear in mind though also, that I am not goodlooking. This probably could have worked for guys who could convey higher value via
their looks. People DO hookup.
Also note that in general, YES you CAN pickup a girl within around 1 look-point difference of you, if you use the method that girls
want. So if youre a 7 yourself, you can occasionally pickup 6s, 7s, and SOMETIMES 8s using this method. Even higher, but thats a
more rare exception.
The reason being, that being confident and genuine IS NOT THAT UNCOMMON, and unless the girl doesnt have many genuine
people in her life, it doesnt CONVEY HIGHER VALUE.
I have MANY genuinely confident people in my life, and while pleasant it is not a big deal to me. Girls are no different.
Genuine and confident people are EVERYWHERE. There is little correlation between these traits, and an exceptionally drop dead
gorgeous woman being attracted to a mediocre looking guy.
The ONLY way that you can convey HIGHER value, by using this method, is if you have a RARE connection with the girl. This does
happen, though it cannot be called a consistent pickup method, since it relies on external factors (ie: that you actually have a similar
world view, or something similar, etc etc).
This is FAST-Seduction, which discusses how to be a PLAYER. If you want to read about spirituality, I highly recommend that. Ive
studied buddhism and volumes of spiritual writings, as well as all of Western philosophy - but not on THIS forum. Still, strong innerpeace leads to strong inner-game, and its beneficial.
Health, wealth, relationships -> go to the gym, eat right, find work you love, read important literature, surround yourself with
people you love. ALL IMPORTANT to feeling good about yourself, which is important to pickup in ways that cannot even be
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But yet, even HAVING those things, will you be a PLAYER? I know MANY people who have reached this level of enlightenment who
are not.
At the time that I was focusing on being genuine and building rapport, I was very much emotionally whole. I had everything going
well for me in my life, and I was a genuinely happy person. I had goodwill towards everyone around me, and projected a positive
vibe. This was great, but did not result in success with any exceptionally beautiful women.
Anyway, that was MY EXPERIENCE after eight long months of field-testing this way of doing things. Its just the experience of ONE
GUY, so take it for what its worth.

SO, WHAT DO WOMEN WANT?

I recall having a convo with Toecutter about his friend who would walk up to women, and tell them that he was rich and wanted to
marry them.
He would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that night. Then hed blow them off the next day, leaving them
heartbroken.
Now my first reaction to this was to be appalled.
I questioned my respect for Toecutter, and generally wondered what he could possibly be thinking. How could he justify this sort of
thing?
He said that I was living in an AFC mindset, and that women LOVED to have their hopes and dreams shattered by scoundrels like
Han Solo and such, and that it was something that they actually WANTED.
He suggested that I read NANCY FRIDAY My Secret Garden, to read about womens rape fantasies, and how repressive society has
generated a common female fantasy for badboys who will break down their socially-taught resistance, and treat them like the dirty
girls that deep down they know themselves to be.
From reading the book, I interpreted it as saying that the guy tricking/forcing the girl into sex, and leaving her was the girls way of
CONFIRMING that he was the kind of guy that she wants. (sort of to say that the jerk/badboy/untamable behaviour was some sort
of CERTIFICATION that the girl has been fertalized by an alpha-seed, or something bizarre to that effect).
Very weird, and disturbing. I did NOT like reading this, nor do I necessarily like it now.
Basically, I interpreted that girls like DRAMA of ANY kind. They want INTENSE emotional drama. As Alphahot mentioned in a post a
few threads below this one, they gravitate towards sources of extreme emotions. Scoundrels who use them and thus give them
drama. And they gravitate towards it.
Of course, I was skeptical, and even after reading Nancy Friday I still maintained the view that these fantasies were anomolies, and
that most women did not want this sort of thing.
Eddy also read this book, and shared my opinion. Be both generally hated it, and I recall Eddy throwing the book across the room
several times.
Other PUAs who visit us comment on how scuffed up the book is, as Eddy has thrown it literally on almost every occassion hes read
it, screaming that could be my own mom!!! that could be my own mooooommmmmm!!!! ARGHHHHHH!!!

FIELD TESTING NANCY FRIDAY:

In California, I talked to Craig from the archives. He talked about Rick H, and how Rick would talk about women being adaptable.
Women are adaptable.. whatever frame you set, theyll adapt to.. if you set a
frame of provider candidate, theyll adopt a screen frame.. if you set a frame
of them being screened for dirty slutty lesbian sex, theyll turn into sluts
Coming from Rick H, I couldnt downplay this, and decided to explore it more.
Particularly after the Toecutter/NancyFriday stuff seemed to gel with this.
From this I spawned the idea for JERK ROUTINES, where I would INTENTIONALLY convey that I like to use and abuse women, right
from the start of the pickup. The frame would be set.
I set to the task of field testing it, which I did non-stop for six straight weeks before posting something potentially misleading.

First, I would do things like tell women to close their eyes, and then kiss them. Tell them that I love them within seconds of
meeting, even though this is clearly a way to get into their pants. I would even tell subtle stories about how I am
currently planning to use women to get to all their friends.
Then, I adopted the SWINGCAT STYLE QUALIFYING. Are you adventurous? Cause if youre not adventurous, I cant hang with you.
Up until the Nancy Friday test, I would get them to tell adventurous stories, like extreme sports or travelling or something. But then
I REALIZED the TRUE use in the Swingcat adventurous qualifying.
Adventurous was to be a EUPHIMISM for SLUTTY.
I stopped getting them to tell me stories about adventures, and instead would just pause, and wait for them to give me the REAL
DIRT.
Around 90% of women would start telling me about how they love to suck dick and take it on the face. How they dream about
getting gang-raped and fucked by strange men and hot guys from clubs.

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LITERALLY, I would sit there PRETENDING like I thought this was just great. Making myself out to be NON-JUDGEMENTAL, and even
ENCOURAGING. But really, inside, I was thinking shit I dunno if I can stomach this.. I was still in an AFC mindset. I thought that
this was just a series of strange coincidences, and that these girls couldnt represent the majority.
I was forced to RE-ASSESS my VALUE SYSTEM for making judgements on what constituted a nice-girl, since clearly ALL girls had a
slut side to them.

SIDENOTE:
This was similar to my experience when I first tested routines based on spells and the unknown. Id always thought that most girls
didnt believe in psychics and ESP, until I began making it sound like I did, and that I would not JUDGE them on it. I found out that
most girls DID believe in ESP, and that those few who didnt could be convinced otherwise with even the most simplistic mentalist
illusion.

So much like the non-judgemental frame that use with the ESP stuff, Id appear
NON-JUDGEMENTAL for their slutty desires.

THE NEW TD:

It was difficult for me, because Ive always been extremely conservative/rightwing/republican.
I changed my image to include wild clothes that projected myself as a badboy sexual being. I started wearing clothes of a female
sex fantasy, such as racecar jackets, industrial plat boots, bondage shit, spikey dyed hair, outrageous coolguy accessories, etc etc.
Initially, this was hard for me to stomach. I felt very incongruent for the first week or two.
I began PROJECTING that I was a SCOUNDREL JERK who would intentionally and openly USE and ABUSE of women. I projected TD
is a jerk, who MAKES NO EXCUSES for it.. Like a rockstar, he fucks his groupies, and sends them home happy that they could get
even that.
Its funny, because this isnt the case - I didnt feel that way. But in the past, projecting the CONSERVATIVE REAL ME wasnt eliciting
any SEXUAL reaction from women.
I decided that IF I CONTINUED DOING WHAT I HAD ALWAYS DONE, ID CONTINUE TO GET THE RESULTS THAT ID ALWAYS
GOTTEN. (this isnt my catchphrase.. maybe Tony Robbins, I dunno.. Mys uses it all the time).
I know that CLOUD9 also has had inner-conflicts with this. For me, one of top students in my country, its been difficult to
DEGENERATE my speaking manneurisms to a more colloquial level.. like, you know, totally, like, cool... But unfortunately, my
Queens-talk (as everyone used to describe my articulate speaking manneurisms) wasnt eliciting strong sexual responses from the
sexy girls that I was interested in. They wanted to validate themselves with me, sure. But what they wanted to validate was that
they could be as sophisticated as me. IOW, that theyre smart, and that theyre ladies.
So go ahead and bust on me for being incongruent and not real to myself or something like that. But at the end of the day my
girlfriend is an HB10... aside also from the HB8 and HB8.5 that I am also seeing, all of who are really cool girls and who I am
genuine with now, AFTER having gotten with them - NOT BEFORE.
WOMENS REACTIONS:
Now, when I walk into a room on campus, women start giggling and checking me out. They touch me, shit test me immediately to
see if I really AM what I project, and show massive physical IOIs (face me, lean in, perk up their breasts, lick their lips, big eyes, etc
etc etc).
I do NOTHING other than just walk into the room, and convey the attitude thats discussed in this post.
I will fuck you the second you let your guard down, because I am a badboy and thats just me is the image that I convey, and
women respond instantly.
Of course, MOST women will be initially ATTRACTED, but still wont sleep with me from that feeling alone. They cant quite justify
their desire, because of social-conditioning.
So the SOLUTION: Show that they have a CHANCE to tame you, and that you have a sensitive inside somewhere deep down.. ->
GET RAPPORT.
This leads me to the all important .........

WILLFUL COGNITIVE DISSONANCE:

Going back to the TOECUTTER marry-me routine, what have I learned?
Toecutter explained that women WILLFULLY IGNORE the truth, in order to preserve the feelings that they are deriving from the
massive drama that you provide.
This is also from MANIAC_HIGH, so if you disagree then maybe check out the new maniac plan for more detailed explication.

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Anyway, Toecutter states that the girls who were duped by the marriage trick were in fact WELL-AWARE that it was clearly
bullshit, but that they WANTED to go along with it, so that they could experience the ADVENTURE.
The same goes for Mysterys girlfriend of 5 years, who STILL BELIEVES that he genuinely has MAGIC POWER, including an ability to
levitate himself from the ground, move objects with his mind, and read thoughts telepathically.
Of course, having been with him for 5 years, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that she wouldnt have figured out how he does his
illusions. Despite his sharp skills, many illusions I figured out after hanging with him for just a month. He may have done it over
300 times before I figured it out, but EVENTUALLY I DID figure it out.
This girl is with him FIVE YEARS and CHOOSES TO BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD IS NOT MUNDANE. There is NO WAY she wouldnt
have caught the illusion at least ONE TIME in FIVE YEARS.
She WILLFULLY DECEIVES HERSELF to believe what she wants, because she likes the DRAMA and ADVENTURE.
Same goes with Mysterys other long term girlfriends, who KNOW, read KNOW, that he is constantly with other women.
Why does Mystery have condoms all over his room? hmmmmmm... Could he really go months without sex while he travels???
hmmmmm.... What does it mean when girls call him non-stop while theyre in bed together??? hmmmmm... He walks into the club
and girls SWARM him... hmmmmmm.. He picked her up and fucked her first night they met... hmmmm....
But still they CHOOSE to IGNORE it, because he provides the drama that they want.
And as a BONUS, they get to go home and spend time convincing their parents and friends how great Mystery is, which gives them
even MORE drama.
Likewise, in my small community, I go pickup girls. They go back to their roomates, who inevitably on some occassions will have
been picked up by me a month earlier. But does that REPEL them from me, like our LOGICAL AFC-INDOCTRINATED brains would
have so long expected? NOPE. It just gives them MORE DRAMA and sucks them in even deeper.
This was even the case when theyve heard that I used the SAME OPENERS and ROUTINES. Strange, huh? Youd think that it
would break their interest. But not the case. Why not? Could it be that finding out that I am a womanizing-jerk was congruent
with what I projected during the pickup?

SOME CONCLUSIONS - A RE-ASSESSMENT OF WHAT CONSTITUTES A WOMANS VALUE:

So thats it. I get it now. Women arent like what I thought. Or rather, at least when it comes to SEX.
The girls that I thought were nice have revealed that theyve been fucked by anonymous guys, loved it, and want it again.
The girls that I thought were LOYAL to their boyfriends have called them from my bed, GUILT-FREE, lying about where they were
last night like it was NOTHING.
Ive found that girls break guys into categories of SEDUCERS and EMOTIONAL SUPPORTERS, and that if I dont want my girl to cheat
on me, shes gonna have to get her drama from ME, and not from some asshole player.
So if that is the case then, what kind of girl do I look for when Im ready to have children or get married?

IN LIGHT OF THIS KNOWLEDGE, WHAT CONSTITUTES A GOOD WOMAN???

I am still deciding on this, and really I have only limited insights.
But for me, at this time, I use NON-AFC-CULTURE based value judgements.
I look at the kind of connection that I have with her, and the way that we get along AFTER weve hooked-up.
Because, like Mystery, I agree that only AFTER you hookup do you start communicating GENUINELY.
The FIRST genuine conversation happens in bed together, AFTER THE GAME IS OVER, and you find out whether or not this was just
a validation-game, or if its an emotional connection.
And do I necessarily want the games? Nope.
I remember when I first did clubs, and Id tease a high calibre HB. Say a 9 or 10. And shed touch me, and say that she liked me.
But as soon as Id RECIPROCATE that, shed LOSE INTEREST. It was a SHIT TEST, NOT genuine communication. Or was it? Was it
genuinely communicating that she wanted to see if I was really the jerk she wanted me to be, and that she had to test me to find
out?
Do shit tests constitute genuine communication? The girl is tricking you, to find your true nature. But then, if you pass, you
genuinely will hookup with her. So is the girl genuine, or not? Not necessarily an easy question to answer.
YES, I have MANY genuine emotional connections with girls. My sister, her
friends, my pivots, my relatives, my teachers. The girls that I am ALREADY with

my 3 MLTRS.

But NOT with girls that I am in the MIDST of picking up, because it is still
GAME-ON.

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Afterwards, once I have PROVEN myself to be the kind of man that she wants, I can get to know her on a more personal and
genuine level. Until then, it is about SEXUAL ATTRACTION, which is NOT necessarily related to genuine communication. It CAN be,
but it isnt necessarily the case.
And why? Because there are several types of attraction, and while we may make socially based value judgements on which are
more legitimate, the fact remains that they EXIST.
And of course, if genuine communication in the TRADITIONAL SENSE was the BASIS of ATTRACTION, then I suppose Id probably be
hooked up with the very fat and ugly girl from my history class, with whom I had a great conversation with last fall.
But then, the attractive girls I bed will most often BACKWARDS RATIONALIZE whatever nice things she finds out about me, and
probably decide that THOSE things were CLEARLY what allowed her to be seduced by me. Of course thats all after the fact.
Contingencies.
This is how the game is played bros, at least in my personal opinion. Just the opinion of a new PUA, trying to make sense of all of
this. Some of it is probably dead-on, and some of its probably inaccurate. Take it for what its worth.

WHAT IS GENUINE?
So if people play these games, what constitutes genuine?
What is genuine? If I were to be TRULY genuine with what I wanted to talk to girls about, Id discuss logic and other esoteric
philosophical issues. Id discuss cars, and mechanics, and sports, and wars, and taking extreme risks and my criminal youth. Id
discuss how Im right-wing and how I believe in certain repressive traditional values. Id discuss John Rawls vs. Robert Nozick.. Id
discuss Heideger and Nietzche and Sartre, and subjective morality in a world without dogmatic value sources. Id discuss Kripke and
causal theory. Id discuss flaws in symbolic notation. This stuff FASCINATES me.
I dont LIKE talking about social dynamics and feelings. It BORES me. Most things that most girls like to talk about are of NO
INTEREST to me.
I DO NOT ENJOY running JUGGLERs rapport routines like I really like pizza and this is what my own palm says about me and
what would your life be rated if it was a movie?, and making those kind of self-revealing statements. Nor would I like them any
better had I invented them.
Or rather, I LIKE running them, for the purpose of PICKING UP. But I dont run them for the SOLE SAKE of running them.
I will USE this stuff, but I dont LIKE it anymore than ANY OTHER stuff that I use. NONE of it is the REAL ME in the TRADITIONAL
SENSE, so both MM and Juggler method are EQUAL in my mind.
I AM NOT stating that they dont work, or that Jugglers method isnt GREAT.
Juggler-method WORKS - its GREAT.
But I AM stating that it is NO MORE GENUINE for me to PRETEND that I am enjoying talking about real genuine feelings in a Jugglerstyle that I really dont care to talk about, than it is for me to run the routines that I do most of the time now.
Either way, Im FAKING SOMETHING. As are MOST sensitive new aged guys who will talk about this sappy crap, in the subconscious
hope that it will gain attention from women.
Picking up by talking about real stuff that I feel, but DO NOT want to be talking about, is of no greater value to me than telling
stories that I read from the internet. Im still being ungenuine, in a SENSE, because my motivations extend BEYOND the expression
itself.
Again, this is NO CRITICISM OF JUGGLER. His stuff ROCKS. My sole statement though is that it is NO MORE OR LESS GENUINE for
me to run one pickup style, or another. They are all equal in that respect.
So what if I just talked about things I AM interested in talking about. The esoteric technical stuff. Well if I talk about these things
girls will leave. Theyll either argue, get bored, or flat walk away. They wont be interested, and theyll anchour feelings of boredom
to me. Ive TESTED this.
Why? Basic supply and demand. There are many genuine and confident people out there, and some give them better emotions
than others. So I set the bait with the stuff that theyll react to sexually. Of course you could cry supplication!, but then really
we all supplicate ourselves in one way or another. The trapper supplicates by laying bait, but then he reaps the rewards later.
Putting in work to get a result is not supplication.
And lets say that being myself DID find me that ONE special girl.. I STILL wouldnt care, because Im not INTERESTED in that kind
of relationship in my early twenties anyway.
SO:
Is REFUSING to play games genuine?
If thats the case, then WHY have I SO RARELY had a girl angry or upset with me?
I mean, even after NUMEROUS relationships, have I had less problems than my average AFC friend with just a handful.
Many people probably QUESTION why I would pawn off 2 HB7s to pickup a HB9 or 10. Rightly so. But what they dont realize from
behind their remote computer screens is that so long as you ACTIONS ARE CONGRUENT TO YOUR BADBOY FRAME, girls will EXPECT
this behaviour, and NEVER be surprised when it happens. Its part of who you are, and theyre SMART enough to know its coming.

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Even with the bit of rapport that they NEED to justify their embarkment on your adventure, they still KNOW what is coming, and
ACCEPT IT.
Ill have girls that I never called back, or pawned off for hotter girls, ALWAYS coming over to chat me and catch up. Theyre never
upset. Always very happy to see me again.
In my opinion, there is a clear cut reason -> While my sexual persona may not be as congruent with my real personality as Id like,
my ACTIONS are CONGRUENT with what I PROJECT.
Since the girls I associate with KNOW and EXPECT that its going to be a short-lived ADVENTURE (given that Ive made it fully
obvious from the start), they NEVER get genuinely upset when it ends. Sure, they may pout briefly, but then theyre off to the
NEXT STIMULUS - be it the next socially-proofed jerk, or dancing, or drinks.
On the other hand, back when I used to be the LOYAL-AFC, when Id dump the few girls I got theyd get VERY UPSET.
Which makes me think: Is it more genuine to build connections where you project that you are a more quiet one-girl type, when
that is not you (even if you state polyamory, you still come-off that way). Or is it more genuine to be a jerk up front, and allow the
chick to FREELY CHOOSE to go along for the short-adventure or not.
I guess we have to come to our own answers, and find our own subjective value systems. Thats life. I dont judge. Call it
aggrandized self-rationalization, but this is just the way that I make sense of the world that Ive been thrown into, given my life
experiences and how Ive assimilated them.
The interactions with the women in my life ARE genuine, but during the initial phases of our relationship - the period where the
FRAME is BARGAINED for and ESTABLISHED - I strive to convey that there are only CERTAIN parameters that I am comfortable
with.
And making it obvious that I am only a short-lived adventure for them, through the jerk-way that I present myself, is the way that I
go about doing it. Once the pact is made (sex), Im comfortable to be fully myself. Discuss what I want, etc etc.. And the girls are
ALWAYS happy to discuss stuff that is important to me AFTER weve had sex, because shes made that investment in me, and NOW
FINALLY wants to know more about who I am. I fully believe that as a sexual-partner-candidate, you are NOTHING to a girl before
youve had sex.
Or rather, you may be a friend. But that entitles you to nothing sexually.
Nor should it.
-BECOMING CONGRUENT:
When taking a job-interview, youll present yourself in a particular way. During a family gathering, it may be another way. And
with your friends, it may be another way.
Everyone has different SIDES to their personality, and each judges when it is APPROPRIATE to exhibit a particular side.
Why not just be yourself at ALL times? Because EACH of these sides ARE the real you, just different aspects.
Acting the SAME in ALL situations is INCONSIDERATE to the people around you. If you horse around at a job interview, you show
lack of respect for the interviewers experience. If you act overly sophisticated with your friends, you show lack of respect for the
bond that you have with them, and the clowning-around that goes along with it.
And as with the boss at the job interview, you hope to eventually get to know your girl on a more genuine level, when the time is
APPROPRIATE.
When INITIALLY PICKING UP A GIRL, showing the side of yourself that ELICITS SEXUAL REACTION is MOST APPROPRIATE, because
you are not putting the girl in a position where she has to snub you based on sexual indifference to your approach. You dont like it
that most girls like to party? TO BAD. Dont post about it on the PLAYER board.
Being unsexual during pickup can be UNAPPROPRIATE.
The girls that I pickup CLEARLY KNOW that I am someone who is TOYING with them, that it gives them drama that they like, and
that our relationship will likely be short-lived. It is OBVIOUS, because at this point I am THAT GOOD.
Women are no more in the dark about my nature than men are about women with fake breasts. They KNOW whats up, but they
DONT CARE.
And REALLY, these had been my intentions ALL ALONG. I am young, want to PARTY, and am not interested in actively seeking
anything beyond a sexual connection at this point. Should it happen GREAT. But Im not SEEKING it. So why did I try to gain
sexually via rapport and connections in the past? Solely for PRAGMATIC reasons. I thought that it would WORK.
So was I really congruent before? NO. I was just CONFORMING, and hadnt the NERVE to show my intentions.
Also, I didnt REALIZE that my intentions WERE NOT EVIL. Women APPRECIATE these kinds of guys, and you BENEFIT when you
openly demonstrate that you are that guy making no excuses for it.
While AT FIRST I felt INCONGRUENT, I later realized that in fact I HAD BECOME congruent.
I began PROJECTING the sort of image that was congruent with my INTENTIONS, and girls were reacting better, and never showing
unpleasant surprises as in they had in the past.
My act of pre-planning and studying lines and tactics to project my badboy image IS CONGRUENT with who I am, because who I am
is someone whose intentions are to interact with women in this way.

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They enjoy it. I enjoy it.
They benefit. I benefit. We MUTUALLY benefit.
I am now congruent. I feel good for it.
If you want to judge it, go ahead. Just dont claim that your philosophy has any superiority over any other subjective valuejudgement, because it is just that. A subjective value judgement.
-CONCLUSION:
So there you have it. Many chicks dig jerk-asshole types. Who ever said that the community never makes new discoveries
anyway? hmmmmm....
And what is genuine? What is truth? Those questions are to be pondered over a lifetime, and they are part of what makes the
human experience dynamic.
But if I can draw one solid conclusion, its that claiming absolute knowledge of such questions is self-indulgent. And in the opinion of
this lowly-PUA, its not genuine.
I see the guys who took the Juggler workshop didnt really agree with some points (heh, I was waiting for this!).. I think that you
guys really took them out of context, so Ill clarify and you can let me know..
1)

My CONVEY HIGHER VALUE phase (first few minutes of initial PU) is the main place that canned material is ever used. Ive
been saying rapport, rapport, rapport for ages now, but for some reason people ignore this. Its in all my posts, but like I said,
comes AFTER youve conveyed higher value.
The Juggler method, which is keep opening up yourself to her until she
reciprocates it is UNNCESSARY for me, because if I get her attracted FAST then
shell be all into my shit, and it doesnt matter.

2)
3)
4)

I make up all my own routines from life experience, which btw IS Juggler method. I will post what Juggler method IS above
this thread, so you guys can discuss it. The only routines Ive ever posted that didnt come from life experience are cocky lines.
I pull mostly HB9s, and have so much opportunity to pull that I turn down many girls. None of my results correlate to any
short-comings in my game, since my results are excellent right now.
I have tried EVERY tactic in the game for at least 3 straight weeks. I have pulled using no material whatsoever, and have
pulled using GWM. I can pull using even SS.
Incidentally SexPDX, one thing that I really recommend is learning to pull
using EVERY method, because if you havent pulled using it, then you cant
understand it (since ALL methods will work at least enough to pull once in a
while).
So the C&F stuff, etc, cant really be understood until youve pulled with it at least once or twice, because then you can
accurately assess why it worked, and why it may not have been as good without.

5)

What I posted was that generating discussion that is designed to keep the girls attention is the SAME to me, no matter HOW I
do it.
Why? Because no matter what I talk about, its designed to keep her attention
and lead to fclose.
So I can talk about boring stuff that I dont like I like pizza, I like kids etc etc, or I can talk about jerk stuff I did and tease.
EITHER WAY Im trying to force a frame that gets her attention, then gets her in bed.
This issue of be genuine and all that is not something that affects my game, and I get better results by going with the frames
discussed in the original post.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback and generating discussion.
Ill post up the Juggler method above this thread, which we could discuss it up there if you want.
Whats up PDX.. I just posted the Juggler method post, which I hope youll discuss with me because its something that Im
interested in.
I was just thinking more about this, and I think that it comes down to style.
There are many ways to attract.
Being a guy that girls can connect with is one way. (Juggler)
Being a cocky badboy type is another way. (TD)
Being a Don Juan romancer is another way. (SS)
Being larger than life centre of attention is another way. (MM)

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Being a raw sexual being is another way. (GWM)
Ive tried each of them, but since being a cocky-ass muthafucka is most congruent to MY personality, it works for ME.
For guys reading, they should focus on what THEY identify with, and work on that.
I guess that my original post was about my own level of congruence. Also, focusing on projecting a personality that would
attract the attention that YOU WANT.
One thing that I DONT like is that people will take ONE method, and not test ALL methods.
At the same time, I get annoyed when guys will feedback this isnt how to pickup.. this isnt genuine for me to use Its like
ummm dude.. I just post how I do pickup because its ONE WAY.. I never said to COPY ME
Instead, when I read methods that conflict with how I pickup, I just go test them and try to understand how/why they work..
Then Ill discard alot of it, and keep alot of it. Still, Ill acknowledge that its good material, because it opened my mind up to
different ideas.
So to me, I think that dudes shouldnt criticize something if its working, and people from the board have seen it work (IOW, its
not bullshitting). Im NOT referring to you btw PDX..
I think that the SOLUTION is for people to reply by posting what works for THEM, and to let the guys on the board decide for
themselves what they want to IDENTIFY with..
Pick your own character.. Sort of like Street Fighter II.. or just try them all, and then design your own.

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NEW AGE MALE

This isnt something that I claim any expertise on. Still, thought Id comment on some trends Ive noticed.
Just some observations that are probably half-right, so comments appreciated.
Back in the day (say 70s, 80s), the rugged man was really well appreciated. Guys didnt shave their bodies, and the looks standard
wasnt based around pretty-boys who look basically like chicks.
These days it seems like girls are more modernized or something, and dont really need to be dependent on anyone (where Im from
anyway).
So they seem to prefer little pretty boys who are just for fun and dont threaten them in any way. Girls are very bi-sexual these
days. In fact, Ive gotten 3/4s of the girls Im dating to eventually spill the beans that they fantasize about other girls, and most hot
girls like to grind eachother in clubs and make out, etc etc. The hotter the girl, the more open she is to this kind of thing - typically.
The guys girls like have female characteristics. Pickup any magazine and check out the male models. Theyre all Scandanavian
looking or whatever, with the high cheek bones and all that. They look borderline like girls. Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc, all look
basically like girls. Their entire bodies are clean-shaven (I dont do that, but girls dont find out until its too late to object), and they
have the high cheek bones and feminine features.
Anyway, Ive been experimenting with projecting a highly gay image to girls, where I get in under the radar and seem super fun,
but meanwhile convey massive sexuality and cockiness through standard game tactics.
I get alot of girls kissing me and begging me to find out if Im gay. Ive had girls try to convert me, by asking me to sleep with
them, etc etc.
Basically, you know how girls seem to think it doesnt count, if they sleep with another woman? They seem to view sex with me in
a similar way.
Its like, it doesnt count. Its just for fun, or whatever.
This goes especially for clubs, where the girls dont want the hot guys approaching them, because they supposedly dont want to
meet a guy in a club (bullshit). So when you roll up like youre a super fun eccentric possibly gay, theyll talk to you and have all
this fun.
The rule in clubs is kinda like girls dont snub girls. This is for safety reasons or what-have-you. So if youre basically a chick,
they wont snub you when you go in.
But since your game is super tight from all the ASF you read, and you have a million ways of attracting, youre in under the radar,
and the girls get all wet. Remember that this is beyond their control to a certain extent, and girls get attracted even to other girls,
when the girls make them feel the right way (I have lesbian friends who seduce women ALL THE TIME, very effectively because they
UNDERSTAND other women).
Meanwhile, youre like one of the girls, and its just for fun, like sexing another chick. So things progress very quickly.
Also, I wont name names (but he could pipe in), but possibly the most well respected/known PUA on this board is MASSIVELY gay
looking, and when I met him I was utterly convinced he was gay. He wrote to me that girls usually tell him even after theyve had
sex, that theyre convinced hes gay.
I remember meeting him - he was 57, 120 pounds, bald, and talked completely gay. Also dressed peacocky, so he looked very
gay. But since hes fun, cocky, intelligent, charismatic, and alpha (plus hes great at building rapport), he lays the hottest women
extremely consistently.
Remember: Its not like totally gay. Its like super fun, but with gay fashion and topics (social dynamics, etc) that usually only
queer guys talk about. Plus, being super fun. But yet, youre still ALPHA.
You STILL use Gunwitch Method style phase shifting, and C&F stuff. The girls have to still get all wet. Anyway, something to
experiment with.
A good tip is that when girls ask you if youre gay, thats a good IOI. A good reaction is to grab her head and kiss her, immediately
after she asks. Say I dunno, lets see Point is not to be gay looking, but to use the fact that girls will go bi-sexual and think it
doesnt count, as a way to get under the radar.
For me also, I was so NON-GAY that trying my best to BE gay probably got me down just enough to not be abrasive. For other guys
who are more secure with themselves than I was in the past, they may be already at the optimal just gay enough level.
Gunwitch, given that I do my pickup mostly in clubs now (since Ive finally got daytime so down well that it bores me), please dont
comment on my threads anymore unless its to give props or relate it to something non-club. The reason I say this is that you dont
do clubs whatsoever, and you therefore have no valuable input on anything that I write that is club related. Notice that you find
clubs a bad environment to pull? Theyre actually not, so clearly the things you do dont work in clubs. You admit this, and its not a
criticism. Im only saying it in relation to my threads.
Oh yeah, as for the guys you mentioned, the only one who I dont think was actually VERY feminine is Russel Crowe. But most girls
didnt even like him until the movie Gladiator. Maybe not Clooney, I dunno, but definetely Brad Pitt and Colin Ferrel. So thats
how I figure it, but again Im not an expert on this stuff.
As for me, I actually grew up very much the mans man, as a hustler getting in fights every week and protecting my rep at all
costs. I used to clown on the guys Im talking about, but still was secretly deep down jealous that they got girls.
I definetely agree that girls actually DO long for the mans man, but unfortunately are often too scared to actually have SEX with
him (despite wanting to) until theyre older. I find young girls to be the most desirable, and therefore focus all my posts on only
what I personally consider to be the hottest girls.

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TOO ALPHA OVERQUALIFICATION

LATE NIGHT RAMBLINGS - anyone who cant stomach them stop reading now, because Im too tired to post properly. (just got back
from the most eye-opening PU night Ive ever had.. Ive been up all night.. I will post on this in Advanced tommorow.. alpha
heirarchys and structures.. subconsious behaviours, etc etc)

The reason that C&F will serve to alienate the chick, if you keep it up too long, is that your end result is not congruent with the
image that you project. OK, make sense? Nope, it doesnt.. More explanation.
You roll in there, and you pull the C&F. Next thing you know, the chick is asking you about yourself, touching you, licking her lips,
big pupils............ ITS ON. But you try to close, and it wont go. So why the fuck not?
Heres why:
When you come in C&F like you are the prize, the chick becomes massively attracted and stupidly wet... of course, common sense
tells you that ITS ON.
So of course you try to close, except this is NOT CONGRUENT with what you just projected as this larger-than-life guy.
You just blew in there larger than life.. but youre not appreciating that because its just YET ANOTHER tactic of the week that you
read from ASF.. thing is dude, never... Never.... NEVER..... NEVER underestimate how POWERFUL the C&F frame is... NOBODY
says shit like that.. trust me, chicks have NEVER seen guys drop the kind of lines that we talk about on ASF.. some guys may have
the balls, but they dont have the SEQUENCED humour and OUTRAGEOUSNESS of the lines that we study here.
(OK fuck its 6am and I just got back home, Im damned tired.. is this making sense???)
Alright, the reason that this isnt congruent is that you came in like YOU are the prize, so WHY would you now be trying to take an
interest in LOWLY HER???
Youve conveyed SUCH higher value, that she can see NO REASON that youd want a stupid bimbo like HER.
So subconsciously, she deduces that you arent really as cool-guy as you seem, and the sarge DIES.
The SOLUTION is RAPPORT TACTICS and POLAR SHIFTING (superslickas term).
After she starts shooting IOIs, STOP THE C&F and go RAPPORT.

Divulge VULNERABILITIES and SECRETS.

Tell her about things that you need to overcome, and HELP her to help you to over come them, so that she can EARN your
interest.
Show your HUMANITY. Be larger than life to get her WET and wanting to get rapport and connection with YOU......... but then
let her HAVE IT.
Be YOURSELF.... GENUINE. Dont TRY to PU her. Just let her meet this amazing guy thats right in front of her, and help her to
get to know him for who he really is. That way its CONGRUENT.
Dont stage this phase, because you WANT it to seem less than perfect. Less than perfect IS perfect, because its perfectly the
REAL YOU. Someone that she can RELATE with.

Ask yourself, out of my last 10 sarges, how many of them CONNECTED and RELATED
to me?
How many of them left feeling really good about meeting me, and really good about themselves? Did they feel like we clicked?
Did I feel any connection? Was there a reason for us to meet again other than just raw sexual desire (which MOST chicks will flake
if thats the only reason, except for party-chicks or older chicks).
**C&F is a tool to GAIN ATTRACTION/INTEREST. It conveys HIGHER VALUE.
**If you have conveyed HIGHER VALUE, then there should be NOTHING MORE NECESSARY to complete the sarge, other than
rapport and connection.
**If you have conveyed higher value PROPERLY, the chick should HELP you to pick her up. SHE will pick up dropped conversations,
and SHE will make it easy for you to connect, since she is trying to connect with YOU, since people naturally try to connect with
others that have a value that is higher than their own.
**C&F is NOT a tool to close ANY girl other than a hyper-obnoxious party chick.
**RAPPORT and CONNECTION and GENUINE BEHAVIOUR is what makes the girl fall for you, and give herself to you physically.
**Once attraction is obvious, do NOT continue to press with C&F or you will ALIENATE the chick from you.
**Sprinkle in a LITTLE C&F as the convo goes, but MOSTLY keep rapport. If you DO opt to sprinkle it on, do it in a tender-loving
way, where its cute and not antagonistic.
**Do NOT go BACK to full C&F once you are in rapport. You cannot regain attraction by returning to C&F. I have lost over contless
solid sarges to this INSECURE behaviour.
**Do NOT underestimate yourself, or be INSECURE. NEVER underestimate the POWER of C&F (at least, the type of over-the-top
shit that I run... telling them to support you, and that they cant hang with you, and that theyre dork powerpuff girls, bad
girls/bratty little sister and all of a sudden your new girlfriend.... etc etc). This shit is extremely potent, and if you use too much
you will blow your sarge to SMITHERINES.... :) Its like using a rocket launcher to hunt squirrels.

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The reason that you may be inclined to overuse C&F is because you are INSECURE with yourself.
The reason that I know this is that I am often insecure with MYSELF, and when I feel this way I use too much C&F. A REAL MAN
who is self-secure does not need to keep pushing and pushing the envelope, because he self-secure enough to not need to
continually try to convey higher value.
REALIZE that you convey higher-value very easily now that you are more experienced, and dont alienate yourself from the chick by
going overboard.
Once higher-value is overdone, you LOSE the chick, because she cannot conceive of a guy who is that larger-than-life wanting HER.
OR, she realizes that you are TRYING TOO HARD, and loses interest.
REGARDLESS of WHICH way that she smells a rat .....
12-

That a guy who seems this great would want HER.

That you are trying too hard.

.....you LOSE the chick.

OK, bedtime.
Hope that helped dude. This was a major sticking point for me for about 6 straight weeks. Superslicka has the same SP, and its
something that is a good problem to have (in terms that its better than not conveying ENOUGH value), but something that you
MUST overcome if you want to lay alot of chicks.
more thoughts on this:
structure of a sarge:
1)
2)
3)
4)

open
convey HIGHER VALUE
rapport & connection
close

Once youve conveyed HIGHER VALUE (often using C&F), the chick will do the work
to pursue the conversation usually.
Be SELF SECURE.
If you have conveyed higher value, and are now in rapport phase, dont be afraid of SILENCE if the convo dies for a sec.
Should the convo die, do NOT try to grasp at thin air, trying to re-engage it.
JUST SIT THERE LOOKING HER STRAIGHT IN THE EYES, AND SAY NOTHING.
This is POWERFUL, as it conveys MASSIVE SELF ESTEEM AND SELF SECURITY.
Its also an awkward pause (as called on Seinfeld) which is a great chance to do a finger-through-hair kiss test, and kiss her.
Run 80%/20% convo AT FIRST to convey HIGHER VALUE, but then once you have that, the CHICK should be doing most of the
work in the convo, and it should be at least 50%/50% People naturally try to connect and get rapport with those who have higher
value than they do.
Get GOOD at conveying higher value within 1-10 minutes (it takes me usually 1-2 minutes, if not 30 seconds using peacocking, the
spin-maneuvre, and maybe 1-2 C&F lines)
Then the chicks will pick YOU up.
more more more.....
I cant sleep.... my brain thinks too much... HELP!!
C&F is great for disarming SHIT TESTS.
Chicks throw up shit tests to see if you are the real deal or not... or who knows why.. who cares, they do it all the time, especially
when youre starting to try to initiate a PU.
They do this to guys who attract them, so its a good sign.
It also creates DRAMA.
Having a chick go from HATING you to LOVING you in the course of 20 minutes is POWERFUL. It pushes her through massive
states. Youve tested eachother, and found eachother WORTHY.
But the thing is, once they are trying to get rapport (whats your name, etc etc), STOP with the C&F (unless party-chick).
This C&F stuff is great, but dont forget that you are somewhat DISSING the chick. If the chick goes home to her friends, and all
that she can say about this guy who she gave her # to is that you dissed her up left and right, then you are FUCKED because she
will work herself OUT OF STATE and FLAKE on you.
When she goes to get back together with you (or move into isolation, if youre going for same day close), then she should have
POSITIVE thoughts about you.

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C&F is ONLY to INDUCE AROUSAL.
The PURPOSE of C&F (as a tool) is to AROUSE CHICKS. Its purpose is NOT to make the chick LIKE you as a person.
It just conveys higher value, because it IMPLICITLY SOCIAL PROOFS YOU.
By being C&F, you convey:

I
I
I
I
I

get
am
am
am
am

so many chicks, I could care less if you dont like this cause Ill get laid either way by someone else
willing to walk
funny as hell (intelligence -> good genetics)
cocky as hell (success, alpha -> good genetics)
the most $$$ muthafucka youve ever met

So the C&F gets her INTEREST, but NOT her heart.

What gets her heart is HUMANITY.
ALSO, what KEEPS her interest is SEXUALITY and COMPOSURE. Being JAMES BOND.

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THE NEXT LEVEL

Youll notice that when youre totally comfortable with girls, they pickup on it and are keen to stay and chat you if you are
interesting. Youll do the 25 points type stuff, without realizing it, and youll come off more playful and therefore appealing. Its a
snowball effect.
Some thoughts..

Dont be afraid of canned openers. They free you up to focus on the important stuff like bodylanguage, tonality, approach
angles, set logistics, and target assessment.

Also uncommonly known is that the better canned openers contain particular elements that are designed to fool chicks screening
process. Thats why they work.
At the same time, its great that youre going freeflow. It will hone a skillset for you in the future.

If you have time or interest, read what Ive posted recently about kino and escalation. Particularly the stuff about getting
tonguedowns, kino pinging, and increasing physical stuff.

The thing I posted recently about using doing the massage type thing, by walking your fingers from her spine to her shoulders, and
massaging down her traps, is honestly one of the tightest kino moves I know of. Like I have girls saying theyre in love with me
when I do it, and fully primed for tonguedown. Also try placing your palms out (upwards), and getting kino going. Do this as a
REWARD and use takeaways. Dont be pushy, but rather verbally game them to want it, and then let them win.

Try pursuing every # you get as hard as you can. I know that guys dont like this, and its not always the best idea, but until
you get massive day2 experience under your belt, you wont be getting laid as much as you can, because most lays come on
day 2 (ignore what people say, this is agreed on by the best in the scene, but they just wont post it). No matter how attracted
to you a girl is, its common that shell forgoe sex until the next day, because she doesnt want to destroy her reputation in front
of her friends. Most girls are we come together, and we leave together. Many will still leave same night though, which leads
me to.....

While most lays come on day2, FOCUS HARD on trying to extract and lay EVERY set that you approach. Until youve done at
least 10-15 same night lays, you wont fully understand the dynamics of pulling same night. Try to fools mate girls until you
learn how.

I say this because of all the group tactics that are posted, they ASSUME that you have the skillset to instantly seduce any girl that
youre left alone with. They assume a powerful phase shift, and late game.

Attempt to venue change or move every set around the club. Do this by just jutting your arm out for her to grab, and then
moving her. This way you can localize the emotional buying signs of girls who are comfortable/intoyou enough to physically
displace themselves with you.

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DEVELOPMENTAL MAP OF A PUA

It is recommended that new guys learn material and routines because they are usually unable to hold conversations with women,
and by creating a consistent 40 minute set they will get experience interacting with women on cold approaches.
Without creating a set, it is unlikely that majority of newer guys will have much success, because their lack of experience will be
very apparent to the girls. They will convey many social cues that will indicate this to the girls. Even for myself, I can tell a guys'
success levels within 2-3 minutes of meeting him, and the girls are even more intuitive on this topic.
So what winds up happening, is that inexperienced guys wind up going up to girls, and saying "Hi, what's your name? Where are
you from? Umm, so yeah, what are you up to?" This, combined with hundreds of little vocal inflections/pacings/projections and
bodylanguage cues, will usually add up to the girl instinctually blowing the poor newbie very quickly. That's because the newbie has
no value either in subcommunicative expression, or in what he's saying being interesting.
By using routines and high energy levels, guys learn to hold sets, and will gain experience under their belts. Because the material is
field tested as being high octane, they will hold sets in spite of their poor inner game and its external bodylanguage and vocal
manifestations.
Within a few weeks, they will see spuratic success (albeit mental masterbation, but this is fine so long as internally they feel good
about it) and on a subconscious level their inner game will improve and this will improve things on an external level.
At this point, though they may or may not realize it, they no longer require routines or material to hold sets. Moreover, they were
likely using as a crutch a very high energy level in sets in order to hold their attention. This is a common learning of newbies, that a
high energy and an intense enthuasm level in sets will hold the girls' attention.
With time, their tonality will even out and become smoother. Their projection will increase and their vocal inflections will hit spikes
at the right times and they'll come across better. Their bodylanguage will naturally take up more space, and their facial expressions
will react differently to shit tests and to escalations than they did previously.
On the non-verbal level, their social intelligence will increase, and they will become sharper with their humour, and more savvy as to
what constitutes something that adds energy to the interaction versus something that is a manifestation of their insecurity or
neediness (which many people don't realize is something that they subcommunicate with so much of what they say - 95%+ of
people screw this up at some point during the interaction).
And as that all gets better, they will be thrown into situations where the interaction escalates, and without experience most guys will
botch this sort of scenario. Game is often a sort of hyper attention. A situation where the energy level in the interaction heats up.
Chemistry, passion, etc.. The sorts of things that lead to the desired end goal. For newer guys, the energy of the situation will often
be a lot to handle, without the experience. They will field it improperly, because they will either fail to maintain eye contact (this
happens surprisingly often during late phases and even now with top level girls I sometimes feel the social pressure getting to me),
or they will stutter and be unable to slow down the tempo and smoothly gear everything down to properly phase shift. They will fall
backwards in the schedule, and their internal incongruencies will come to the surface. Many will eject and rationalize that they didn't
want to anyway, to retain their satisfaction that they got further than they previously did. The window to phase shift and go sexual
has closed, and will never be opened again.
But with time this will change also. Everything will become congruent, and the snowball of social success both with women and in
general will begin to increase and will finally gel into something worthwhile.
This all comes from experience, and there's nothing that I know of that will achieve this level of transformation other than
experience. Intense experience, to be exact. That means enough repetition that the increase is inevitable.
Having made this kind of transformation, guys will not need to use a high energy level or even material to hold a set. It will come
naturally, because they will subcommunicate higher social value.
People possess a natural tendency to gravitate towards those with high social status. We feel the energy of their presence. On a
subconscious level, we know that they exert a large degree of social control, and that they have influence over our existence
whether we like it or not. When in the room with even a B-Class celebrity, most people will feel a sort of nervousness, whether they
like it or not. They will be likely to socialize with them regardless of how interesting they are, because they're just curious to see
how they might benefit.
These kinds of guys don't need much to hold attention. But even without this status, the average guy can learn to subcommunicate
the same things. BE the guy who holds attention.
The same vibe will be projected by guys with a wealth of field experience. That's the reason why, as counter intuitive as it seems, its
actually *possible* for a guy to improve in this area of his life. In time, they will learn to project that same kind of high social status
subcommunication, and they will not need formalized material in order to hold sets. They can also chill out their game, and slow it
down. Their game can become very smooth, and the sets will go just as well as when they were over the top with energy and
material.
At this point, its a good idea to shift focus seeing what kind of results you can get without any formal material. This will change selfperception, because it causes the realization that "THIS IS ME, NOT MY MATERIAL, THAT INTERESTS PEOPLE".
Having accomplished that and having become congruent with that crucial internal shift, bringing back in material is extremely
useful. I have read many posts on this board claiming that material should be dropped once the newbie has gained experience, and
I agree only to the extent that it should be dropped temporarily.

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For example, I can hold a set no matter what. There is no way I can be blown out of set. It is just impossible at this point. I can
linger around a set like a weirdo, and still open. I can open fairly often in front of huge 10 guy cockfarms who are making the set
uncomfortable on dark streets after bar hours. I can open moving targets who have places to be. I can open with something stupid
and random like "Tell me your name" and they will stop because my frame is strong enough that they will do it reflexively and they'll
do it because I fucking said so. Because of my field experience, I communicated it so congruently that their thought process
immediately switched to "How do I do what he said right now", instead of what it would switch to for most guys which would be
"Who the fuck is this telling me what to do? Do I even want to listen? I have to go."
That said, I also know that high octane material is extremely useful in many areas. I know that an opinion opener is an easier way
to open than walking up and saying 'hi', because I know that it will engage everyone and provide a tested topic of conversation that
the girls will have something to say about. I know that a tight story will blow open the group because its very engaging, and it will
make me seem very clever and sharp witted. I know that a good extraction routine is useful because it will allow a girl who is
already attracted to excuse her actions and go with me, so that she doesn't have to feel badly in front of her friends.
I know that while not totally necessary or anything like that, that these are the paths of least resistance. These vehicles make my
life easier, and keep my results very consistent.
I also know that I can intricately lace personality conveying content into my material, which on many logical levels will convince the
girl to see me again once I have left and her state has died down (hence I don't get much phone flaking, while less competent guys
will claim "Phone #s are bullshit", which always makes me laugh and scratch my head as I think back to all the great things that
have happened to me in the past year as a result of the phone - if you catch my drift).
So that said, if I could go back in time a year and give myself advice on where to improve to get where I am now, here are a few
things I'd say.
Focus on learning to hold sets without a high energy level. Smoothen out the delivery, and tonality. Learn to subcommunicate
higher value with the most precise, fucking smooth delivery possible. It's good to be more INTERESTING than entertaining. Learn to
be flirty and sexual, and then to pull back and get them qualifying themselves to you. Learn to be both congruently indifferent, and
yet be able to shift to being forward at the same time.
Learn to master vocal projection and how it corresponds to social status. Learn to talk in a way that commands attention instantly.
Always be able to convey higher social status by strength of frame. When you talk, know that everyone will stop to listen to you.
Smoothen out the bodylanguage and ease in and out of sets smoothly.
Test running with pure AFC talk, to test to see if your bodylanguage and tonality has reached a point where it can hold a set without
any high octane material.
Learn to be as alpha and commanding in set as possible. There is NO WAY a set cannot open. All sets will open, and almost all sets
will venue change with you. They have no choice, because your frame is just stronger. Tolerate no bullshit in set, tell them exactly
what to do.
Get girls qualifying themselves to you. Learn - and this is so fucking important - to get girls to the point where THEY are the ones
struggling and thinking frantically about how to keep you engaged and keep you there. Learn to cross that social hook point, and
learn when to shut up.
Learn to phase shift at the snap of a finger. Learn a phase shift so strong that girls will be sucked into it, because your frame is
stronger and if you slow down and smoothen out, they will have to also because that's just the way it is. Learn to excute it at the
right time and when its most effective.
**And in terms of social intelligence, learn to recognize who is controlling the frame of the conversation, and to be the one
controlling it at all times. I will post more on this. It is a very important topic and needs more attention. That is one of the main
keys to why an average looking guy gets laid by hotties. It is so fucking subtle, but it is so important. Controlling the frame. Always
preventing it from being taken from you. It's so easy, yet so subtle that very very few guys I know understand it properly.
Much of this stuff is what avoids phone flaking. It's strength of frame. Pure social control and power.
It's very late at night right now, as Mystery has had a bunch of girls running around the house all night keeping me awake. I want to
write more on this, but will post this as is for now and update more in the future.
I want to leave one last thought:
For guys learning this game, stop and think more about how you're coming across. Ask yourself, "Although what I'm doing may be
helping to hold the attention of the set, is it blowing me out by conveying a lower social value because I'm too high energy and not
smooth and chilled back enough? Are these people a little uncomfortable and insecure and qualifying themselves around me, or are
they just along for the ride that I'm giving them with my material".
More on this later....

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25 POINT AFC CHECKLIST

1)

FIDGETY MOVEMENTS AND TIGHT SHOULDERS AND TAKING YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY OR
BEING TOO BUSINESSLIKE OR SOPHISTICATED (not laughing or being relaxed) =
very visible subconsious (or conscious) self-doubt, overcompensating through
non-relaxed state, where youre prepared to deal with anything that could
happen. Ever met someone who doesnt blink when you talk to them?

2)

TALKING TOO FAST = worried that people will stop listening to you unless you
get out something that will interest
them before they leave

3)

LAUGHING AT YOUR OWN JOKES = covering up that you arent affected that
others didnt laugh, and social nervousness

4)

SAYING RIGHT OR YOU KNOW AFTER STATEMENTS = seeking validation that what
you said was true, or saying it because others arent

5)

STANDING WITH LEGS NOT HALF A METER APART AT LEAST = worried that youll
infringe on other peoples personal space

6)

TALKING TOO SOFTLY OR LOUD = fear that youll impose yourself on people and
their personal space(ie: beta).. alpha males arent afraid to project their
voice.. YET, talking obviously too LOUD can also be seen as OVERCOMPENSATING. Just like guys who wear GENERIC clothes
are trying to fit in, or guys who wear OUTRAGEOUS clothes are trying too hard to overcompensate. (hint: be careful with
peacocking, find a style that doesnt come off this way, which can be tricky but is still very doable).. Some guys dont talk,
some talk too much, etc etc.. Find appropriate balance through trial and error, which is determined through social
observation,

7)

MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention of
the group (sometimes can be cool, but most often a form of qualifying yourself)

8)

LEANING IN or PECKING = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how

loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or
peck as its also called.
9)
FACING BODY/FEET TOWARDS HER BEFORE SHE EARNED IT = trying to gain rapport
with her too eagerly.
10)

CHASING WHEN SHE WALKS AWAY = hoping shell listen. If a chick moves away
from you, move your bodylanguage MORE away from her, so shell be drawn back..
dont CHASE her... WTF?!@?!?
11)

NOT WITHDRAWING (backturns, etc) WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDNT
TOLERATE FROM AN UGLY GIRL OR A GUY = trying too hard to pick her up

12)
ANSWERING QUESTIONS TOO QUICKLY/EARLY = too much interest in the
conversation
13)
her
14)

TURNING YOUR HEAD (OR SNAPPING) WHEN YOURE ADDRESSED = too eager to be
in convo.. so if your head is facing the other direction, and a girl says
something to you, turn it SLOWLY to her, dont snap it out of eagerness to hear
GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST
CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie: when a thread gets broken off in the convo,
and you go back to it FIRST chance
you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back
to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you dont feel
comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT
until THEY say what was that you were saying before?, and THEN go back to

it.. if it doesnt happen, DROP IT even if it was good.

15)

NOT APPEARING MORE INTO YOUR WINGMAN THEN THE CHICK = trying too hard to
pick her up.. youve known your wingman longer than her.. why do you pay more
attention to her than your wing???
16)

17)

TOO EAGER TO PAY ATTENTION - SAYING what? IF YOU CANT HEAR HER, PRIOR TO
BEING IN RAPPORT = too much interest in what shes saying.. if she mumbles,
just STACK OPENERS into an entirely DIFFERENT topic, RATHER than saying what? This is fucking KEY KEY KEY. If you say
what? youll lose her unless youre already past attraction and into rapport. If this happens, just run a new opener and
change the topic. 1- you dont look too eager, 2- you look alpha for being disinterested in what shes talking about which
helps anyway
REPLYING WITH OVERLY THOUGHT-OUT OF LOGICAL ANSWERS OR WITH OVERLY
CLEAR/FORMAL PRONUNCIATION = being concerned that you wont be accepted unless

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you convince really well (eg. HB: why did you ask me that... RIGHT = Im
talking. (sit and stare) WRONG = because I really need to know since Ive
been thinking about this for a while.. the FIRST one conveys that you wont
qualify yourself to her)
18)

TAKING TOO MANY SENTENCES TO STATE AN IDEA THAT COULD BE STATED IN LESS
SPACE = qualifying yourself. Commander Zap emails me a few months ago: Remember TD, dont write what you can say,
dont say what you can wink, dont
wink what you can smile TIGHT. The shorter you can explain something in, the
more PROFOUND youll appear. Why? Youre not qualifying yourself.
(ironically Im massively guilty of this, due to the fact that I post when Im
really tired - see #21 to spot what was wrong with this last sentence)
19)

BEING BOLD INSTEAD OF CONFIDENT = that you know that you cant pick her up,
so you compensate with self-defeating actions so that the snub can be on your
terms. Saying Im sexy right? or baby I want some of that or even just
approaching when the logistics are totally unrealistic is too eager, because a
CONFIDENT person wouldnt feel the NEED to say these kinds of things.. these
things are symptoms of OVERCOMPENSATION for INSECURITIES.. which leads
to..........
20)

21)

22)

23)

24)

25)
A)

OVERCOMPENSATING INSECURITIES = fear of not being accepted. Have you ever

met a janitor who the first thing he says is money is over-rated.. I would
never get caught up in the corporate world blah blah.. if theyd have just
said Im a janitor and LEFT IT AT THAT we wouldnt have even THOUGHT that
anything was wrong with it.. but because they INSTANTLY start overcompensating,
it comes off as overcompensating or qualifying. Same with if they BRING IT UP
TOO EARLY. Like hey, Im Steve.. Im a janitor and I love it.. Theyre
TRYING to be cocky but it comes off as COMPENSATING. BE COMFORTABLE WITH
YOURSELF. If youre BALD, dont say would you love a bald man? as a pickup
line. Its not COCKY.... its BOLD. If youre bad looking, dont say dont
you think Im sexy. Just be comfortable with yourself, and dont bring up the
issue at all.
OVERCOMPENSATING FAILURE OR SHORTCOMINGS = fear of being judged.. if you do
poorly on a presentation, or on a sarge in front of a wingman, or on a test, DO
NOT SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE Im really tired. EVEN IF youre ACTUALLY really
tired, the mere act of saying Im tired comes off as QUALIFYING yourself to
the person. Just dont bring it up. If you have shitty clothes on, dont say
I have nicer clothes at home. Just dont bring it up. If you meet a girl
when youre dressed bad, dont say I have the coolest club clothes at home
Just dont bring it up.
GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PICKUP ON HER SCHEDULE = too eager to lay her.. if
youve already GONE THROUGH the whole lets ballbust and shit test eachother
attraction phase of the pickup, and youre now in RAPPORT -> if she tries to
ballbust you at this point then just WITHDRAW ATTENTION. DO NOT BALLBUST BACK.
It seems COUNTER INTUITIVE, but once youve gone through that whole little
attract phase, and youre now being nice to eachother in rapport, DO NOT let
her rewind the sarge by answering her ballbusting with ballbusts of your own.
Just withdraw attention, to show that youre not interested in going BACKWARDS
in a sarge.
WAITING FOR HER IF SHE LEAVES FOR ANY REASON (LIKE SAYS IM GOING TO THE
WASHROOM, WAIT HERE) = too eager and into the convo.. if she goes to the
washroom, make sure youre into another set by the time she gets back.
OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you,
because the person has unusual value to you (ie: a hot chick). Of course, Im
not advocating to be a total dick, but the general rule of thumb is that if you
wouldnt have remembered a FAT CHICK or a GUY saying it, then dont remember
the HB9 chick saying it. If some random dude said it and you would have
remembered, then FINE. If you were in an unusually intimate convo thats also
fine. But otherwise FAKE forgetting, even if shes a model and you remember
every word. Even forget her name. If you see a random chick from your class
or work, but you never talked to her, OPEN LIKE YOU DONT KNOW HER. Dont give
into the temptation to say we work together. Just open like a random chick,
and maybe if you get snubbed then pull out that card to save face, but only as
a LAST RESORT.
OFFERING TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF TOO EARLY = too eager to make them like
you.. subcategories of this are:
Verbally: if you say to a chick yeah, I just got back from NYC (or any cool
place that would impress) or yeah, I just got my Rolex fixed, or yeah, my
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trying too hard to impress her.. Same with NAME DROPPING.. DONT GIVE GIRLS
YOUR RESUME TOO EARLY.. Personality conveying routines should convey
personality COVERTLY, so it looks like the story is just SO COOL that its WORTH
TELLING on its own accord, and it just HAPPENS to have some good things about
you in it. When offering good things about yourself, dont offer boring
details. Say it with less detail, and it seems less eager. INSINUATE THAT
WHICH YOU ARE TEMPTED TO ELICIDATE (holy shit, I just made up that last catchy
sentence, but Ive gotta say that Im the shit.. right?)
B)

Entertaining: If you have stuff like patterns, or the CUBE, or magic, or

photos, or palmreading, and you do this EARLY, it comes off as TRY-HARD.
Personally I dont use any of these things, but alot of guys do, and when they
bust them out prior to the chick EARNING it, it comes off TRY-HARD. Use the
stuff LATER, but not right away.

C)

Wanting rapport with someone who didnt earn it: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
SHIT??? I swear to god, almost EVERY PUA I meet live in field does this
shit, and its SUPER LAME. Going up to a chick and saying nice necklace or
whats your name or where did you get that? is FUCKING DORK SUPER LAME.
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM A R-A-N-D-O-M PERSON????? The
counter argument to this is that youre not hiding your desires blah blah blah
shes a hot girl and she should be happy that youre approaching, but this is
INTERNET RHETORIC.. and this approach is STILL hiding your desires behind the
GUISE that youre nice, so even if the rhetoric was true, it would STILL be
ineffective... In the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME this stuff is FINE, but in the
REAL FIELD GAME this shit screws you over before youve even started gaming.
Its fucking bullshit, and NOBODY who isnt very goodlooking or socially
proofed (or whatever high value) PRIOR to going in, can make this kind of
approach work consistently on HB8.5+ chicks. TRYING FOR RAPPORT TOO EARLY IS
QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT.

D)

Talking without feedback: When youre talking to someone, and they dont
give feedback, and youre talking and talking, you BETA YOURSELF. Its a
DOWNWARD SPIRAL, where you start talking TOO MUCH, and you SENSE that youre
qualifying yourself, so you overcompensate EVEN MORE by TALKING and TALKING
more and more.. Then you feel more and more betaed because you qualified
yourself, and youre left treading water, grabbing at ANYTHING that will
impress the person, so you keep talking in hopes of saying that one thing that
will impress them. AVOID this by not talking too much unless THEY give some
feedback. IN THE FIELD you do this by PAUSING and FORCING them to fill in the
awkward gaps

10 ALPHA BEHAVIORS
When I first came onto the board, breakbeat IMed me to ask if I had any insights onto what an alphamale really was, and what
characteristics/attributes/qualities they had.
I kept my eyes open for a long time, and compiled a mental list. Ive been meaning to post this for a while.
I think that this is really important, and I hope that people will read all of this.
This post is about to get messy I think... confusing, etc.
Alright, for me, as Ive gotten good at PU, Ive finally started to notice discrepancies between myself and NATURAL players.
Its funny, because even though I can outgame any natural in terms of results, I often feel like Im trying too hard.
Like, even though I can outgame them, they can have a nice chill night and just be comfortable and secure, while my mind is racing
a million miles a minute.
Of course this is because I LOVE the game, and because I play it for the purpose of stimulating myself intellectually (once you get
very experienced, your mind buzzes with info-processing while youre doing PU, as you rapidly compare past experience and gametheory that youve read, to events at hand.. This is why I play the PU game so much, and it is a similar reason to why I enjoy my
philosophy cirriculum at school).
Still though, Ive studied alpha behaviour very carefully now, and Ive noticed some characteristics, which you guys may or may not
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Here they are off the top of my head:
ALPHAMALE CHARACTERISTICS:
1)

NEVER QUALIFYING THEMSELVES.

Qualify meaning that they never brag or even REMOTELY explain things... they dont say Im tired right now, or Im really hung
over, or My good clothes are at home, or I used to be able to lift that weight, but I havent been in the gym for a while., or I
could do that, but Im having a bad day.
Similarly, they dont talk excessively about all the chicks theyve laid, or all their girlfriends, or all their success.
WHY? Because they dont even GIVE A FUCK enough about you to even tell you about it.
They ASSUME that youll think that theyre the shit, because they ARE.
TALKING ALOT / TOO MUCH IS VERY OFTEN INTERPRETED AS QUALIFYING YOURSELF.
2)

NOT LOOKING AROUND.

Think CLINT EASTWOOD. He hears a big bang or loud noise, and he SLOWLY turns to look at it. He doesnt let ANYBODY disturb
him. Hes in his own reality.
I can remember walking into a class late one day, and not looking at the teacher WHATSOEVER.
The girls started giggling, as I looked totally unconcerned at what anyone thought, and they started hitting on me after class. I
mean I can hardly convey this over the net.. The reaction was RIDICULOUS.
3)

TALK SLOW.

Think to when you are chatting some authority figure, or somebody who you admire. If youre like me, youll increase your speech
DRAMATICALLY.
Its very obvious, and Ive seen guys who are alpha start talking abnormally fast when confronted with guys who are MORE alpha.
Talking fast is a way of QUALIFYING yourself to someone, because you are WORRIED that theyll stop listening to you and that you
wont get out what you have to say.
4)

BEING THE ANCHOUR OF THE CONVERSATION.

Notice that when an obviously alpha guy is present, everyone faces their bodylanguage towards him.
If you crack a joke, people wait for the alphamale to laugh as a sort of approval of the joke. He laughs, and then everyone
follows.
Also, an alphamale can crack a DUMB joke, but notice that everyone laughs. Its a laugh of SUBMISSION in many ways, as when
Im sarging girls they always giggle non-stop.. (alot of PUAs Ive met will say dude, you make girls giggle like nobody else.. this is
ridiculous.. This is only something that I learned as I practised ASF stuff, and it never used to happen.
Notice that chicks LAUGH HYSTERICALLY when you call them geeks/dorks/powerpuffgirls.. Or they laugh when you say that if
theyre not rich youll break up with them.
Guys, this stuff is NOT FUNNY. But they laugh like its the funniest thing theyve ever heard. Why? IMO, its because its a laugh of
submission. These C&F remarks set you as ALPHA, and they giggle to submit.
This is called going girly-girl, and the ugly chicks always bash the hotties for giggling at the captain of the football teams lame
jokes.. see how she laughs at all his dumb jokes.. its so pathetic! (even though they WISH that THEY were the ones who the coolguy would be chatting up)..
4b) USURPING THE GLORY.
Alphas seem to take ANYTHING that challenges their alpha status in the room and USURP it for themselves.
This is a variation of being the ANCHOUR of the convo.
Basically, if youre not the alpha, and you say something cool, the alphamale might do something like YEAH THAT IS THE SHIT...
YOU COULD EVEN DO X,Y,Z....
Somehow, YOUR cool idea has become THEIR cool idea, and theyve usurped the credit for your idea.
5)

NEVER BEING IMPRESSED.

Theres this one dude, who whenever I hang out at his house (university frathouse type deal, with lots of guys living there), there
will always be this little alpha-subtext deal going on.
Like, Ill be showing the dudes there something, and Ill have ALL the attention.
But will HE come over and act impressed? NOPE.
Hell just go do his own thing, or just sit there eating his ravioli, unimpressed with me, in his own reality.

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The ONLY time hell pay attention to what Im doing is if its a case like 4b, where hell usurp it for himself.
Otherwise, hes NEVER interested.
6)

ONLY HAVING RAPPORT WITH BETAS, EXCEPT FOR A FEW EXCEPTIONS.

Ive noticed that I cant get along with alphamales as well as I used to be able to.
Its like a conflict in the room, where the heirarchical status is totally out of order.
Alphas will often hate eachother, except that when they DO make friends, they are BEST FRIENDS.
Or, they can co-exist, but have this sort of weird way of talking.
Like theyll say things to eachother in ways that dont qualify themselves, so its sort of like a weird broken conversation. I dunno
how to describe this, but Im sure youve all seen it.
Anyway, they get along with everyone, since everyone is on their knob. But as soon as someone who tries to take over the alpha
status comes along, hes ridiculed for whatever reason they see fit.

7)

ANSWERING QUESTIONS WITH DEGRADING JIBBERISH.

Ive noticed that alphas will also have tendencies to take any question that you may have posed in attempt to get rapport with
them, and answer it with some stupid non-sensical bullshit.
This goes back to why I say dont ask girls questions.. just make statements until they try to get rapport with YOU.. whats your
name, etc etc
Say that you come across an alphamale, and you want to try to get rapport with him. Maybe youll ask him some basic questions or
something.
But hell answer with stupid shit like guess, or I work at taco bell.. Im the employee of the month.. SOUND FAMILIAR? :)
Also, they have a tendency to take what you asked and TWIST it around to ridicule you.
8)

ALPHAMALES DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU.

Have you ever been onto a campus where there are cliques everywhere.
Go look at the clique of rich jewish kids. (many of my closest friends are in these, so no stupid racist bullshit comments)
They dont give a fuck about you. You can be the centre of attention, life of the party, whatever..
It doesnt matter, theyre in their corner with a few hotties, minding their own business, and theyre NOT gonna come out to see
what cool shit is going on with you.
Now youd THINK that this would make them BETA, but theres just something ABOUT them that makes it seem cool.
Their disinterest puts them up above you, and if they DO come over, they come over like youre their CLOWN whose purpose is to
ENTERTAIN THEM. Its all about THEM, not YOU. Again, USURPING THE GLORY.
9)

ALPHAMALES GET MORE CREDIT FOR MINOR ACTS OF KINDNESS THAN BETAS DO.

When I was in NYC with Papa and Mys, we stayed at the house of this guy named Garvellous (NYC Lair top guy).
He was a really cool guy, and hed been laid around 40 times in college before hed even FOUND ASF.
Hed been in a frat, and he told me about something that the frathouse would intentionally do to new pledges when theyd apply.
According to Garvellous, they were told to appear UNAPPROACHABLE and CLIQUISH initially.
THEN, they were to be REALLY DOWN TO EARTH.
What he explained was that if you APPEAR to be cliquish and unapproachable, that when you turned out to be actually down to
earth, people would say this guy is the NICEST/COOLEST guy..
As opposed to a librarian or a geek being nice, which NOBODY appreciates because they interpret it as COMPENSATING for shortcomings.
Just think: Imagine if you were to bump into Jay-Z or Dr. Dre or Michael Jordan, and they had a big entourage. The celeb in
question comes up to you and says whats up.. having a good time dude? cool.. yeah this place is pretty busy you know, and it can
be kinda intimidating.. but you know, I just try to have a good time.. anyway, have a good night man..
Youd be like HOLY SHIT THAT GUY IS THE COOLEST/NICEST GUY IVE EVER MET... Youd tell EVERYBODY about how cool and
down to earth the celeb is, and youd be really appreciative and impressed.
Now take the SAME REMARK from a geek or whatever, and you wouldnt give it a second thought... Whatever, its just some geek.
In clubs, the unapproachable guys are the dudes who wear sunglasses into the club, and have superfly clothes and a corner with
hot girls. Notice that if one of THOSE guys approaches your set in a club, you will NEVER snub him. The two-man cockfarm of
generically dressed guys on the other hand, its a different story.

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10)

ULTIMATE COMFORT IN OWN SKIN.

Here is one that I find really funny.

Look at rapport 50-Cent, or any stereotypical rockstar.
Now your average woman will have all of these ideals that guys should have, but notice that these go out the window for guys like
50-Cent.
50-Cent raps about how hes going to kill and shoot people.. Fuck hoes, etc etc..
NOBODY questions this.
He is 50-Cent, hes from the streets, and THAT-IS-WHO-HE-IS.
NOBODY QUESTIONS IT.
Similarly, a rockstar pumps massive drugs and fucks groupies all day long.
Hes a REBEL.. a BADBOY.. a SEX SYMBOL.. (notice the correlation, and how projecting rebel/badboy can get you laid, even though
there is no LOGICAL reason for that being the case)..
Even a spiritual guy who talks about inner-peace and non-violence and all that stuff will usually say well, hes a superstar when
theyre asked what they think about these types of guys.. (there are exceptions of course, and the dudes with more zeal will call out
anybody).
Another example is like COLLEGE ALPHA MALES who wear dumb shit like TOGAS and marker up their faces with magic marker and
shit like that.
Notice that everyone thinks that its COOL, just because the cool kids (alphas) are doing it. NOBODY questions it.

1)

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS:
Good topic for discussion - how to DEAL with these kinds of guys. For any of us who do clubs, these kind of guys can be
DIFFICULT TO BEFRIEND, for group thoery purposes (for social proof, and of course for stealing their chicks)
So how do we get good at out-alpha-ing these guys, who barely talk, and who are disinterested in getting to know you?

2)

In what ways do WE on ASF EMULATE these behaviours?

Some obvious ones are just making statements and not asking about them until they go for it first.
And following up whats your name with answers like guess.

3)

How does this CONFLICT with the fact that you NEED TO BE TALKATIVE in order to pickup.
Its funny, because it could be argued that the true alpha doesnt TRY to pickup, but just goes out with his group and has girls
do the work to approach HIM.
It just strikes me funny that although Im supposedly thought of as this big alpha guy on campus, that I TRY REALLY HARD
compared to all the other alphas. Basically, Im a MASSIVE try-hard when you really get down to it. I just hide it very well.
So if alphamales dont talk too much, because that is QUALIFYING YOURSELF, then how do we run a good PU?
One way to get over this hump is to just go and make statements, run routines, etc etc, in a way that conveys that youre just
in the mood to TALK, and it has NOTHING to do with impressing them.
Of course this is what David D, Gunwitch, and others are referring to when they say its 90% bodylanguage/tonality.
This goes back to the ideas of 2) TALK SLOW, 3) NOT LOOKING AROUND. Also 1) NOT QUALIFYING YOURSELF is important
here as well, since you JUST TALK and dont try to get rapport, or say things that could be interpreted as qualifying yourself.
A GREAT way to do this is JERK ROUTINES, which are NEGS because you are saying that you dont want them, so they
interpret that as NOT qualifying yourself, which makes them perceive you as alpha, which attracts them to you.
Also importantly here, 8) ALPHAMALES DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU... That is conveyed by the fact that you DONT ASK
QUESTIONS to the chick. You dont ask her her name, or where she works, or ANYTHING until she starts asking YOU.
IOW, I dont go for rapport with HER, until she goes for it with ME, and then I initialy TEASE her that I wont reciprocate this
intention (guess, C&F answers, etc), for the first minute, until I DO give it to her.

Ive recognized TWO types of alphas.

#1, the type that maintains alpha status by making everyone around them BETTER.
Examples:
Wayne Gretzky
Mark Messier

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Winston Churchill
#2, the type that maintains alpha status by putting everyone around them DOWN.
Examples:
Saddam Hussein
puck hogs in hockey, who score goals but never pass
my dad
my insecure principle who would suspend people left and right, and teachers who always yell
posters on this board who criticize alot of material, but never post their own
(this isnt at anyone specific since I dont have mental-energy to keep track
of this stuff, but youll see it happen from time to time with posters who pass
through here)
the bully in high school

Going back to your post....

this is a REALLY good point, and I agree completely in some ways.
The ass model type stuff is excellent because it APPEARS like you just thought of it right then and there, and makes you seem
intelligent -> good genetics.
However, I was commenting on typical traits of natural alphas, and wasnt NECESSARILY commenting on IDEAL traits of alphas.
Rather, I was just commenting on what many natural alphas do, and that it should be RECOGNIZED.
The degrading retorts fall into alpha category #2.
I am still as of yet UNSURE which of these tactics I feel I should KEEP, and which I should throw away.
The degrading answers is something that MANY of the Mr. Cool Guy types around my campus do, in a lame way to retain
their alpha-status. I think its undeniable that it goes on, but thats only given what Ive seen in my life experience.
Either way though, I do agree with your rationale.

STATE CONTROL
Threads popping up lately on fear of approaching, state control, etc... gonna type up something fast on this.
My view on state control is that NLP is a WACK way to try to control your state. The way I do things is IMO, alot more effective than
all this, picture yourself as a giant stepping on the mini-HB or picture your pointy finger sliding in and out of her... it feels soooo
goood or picture yourself as a rising phoenix! etc...
Personally, it strikes me as very ridiculous, but thats just IMHO.
If you guys wanna try to be like rising phoenixs or something though, Ive got no personal beefs with that or anything!
Just remember though, that by the time youve TRANSMORPHED into a magic phoenix, or SHRUNK your target into a mini-HB, some
fuckhead like MOI may have may have come along and taken her out from you! Very common in clubs. So youre officially warned!
Anyway, heres whats helped me, and some tricks I use:

STATE CONTROL:
1)

Before going out to sarge, read ANY RANDOM POST from the MRSEX4UNYC archive. He is a CRAZY motherfucker, and reading
his posts is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to incrase testosterone levels by 300%.. Seriously! The shit the guys writes just revvs
you up to sarge, and to make bitches get with the program NOW.
Sometimes Ill be sitting at home, and Ill just be reading it, and Ill be like WTF IS THIS SHIT!? WHATS GOING ON?!?!?!
These bitches arent getting with the program.. I gotta LAY DOWN THE LAW NOW! And then I start phoning up all those

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bitches and PUT THEM IN LINE.. It actually works too!! (yep, I even start calling them bitches in my head... the shit INFECTS
you! its fucking AWESOME)
2)

ACTUALLY be a man! Wow, who would have ever thought of that?! As in, so you dont have to fake it! BE the man! Join a
boxing gym, or any VIOLENT sport, where you have to ACTIVELY be the man for at least one whole hour. And LIFT WEIGHTS.
I used to weigh around 120-130 pounds. What do you think weighing in at 160 now does to my confidence? (plus, being
better looking does help at least a bit, but mainly its just the confidence). Remember, that when you walk into a room, and
you GENUINELY KNOW that you could lay out any other sucker NO PROB, it gives you an AURA OF ALPHANESS that chicks pick
up on. Not to mention that you feel really good about yourself, even when things arent going so well with the HBs.

3)

Have PERSPECTIVE. Realize that this is for FUN. Dont place any VALUE on girls. Alot of posters here post things like PLEASE
HELP, this situation is crazy! or What do I do?! or I want her SO BAD or Ive tried everything! etc etc etc.. Now I can
EMPATHIZE and RELATE to all this, and Ive BEEN THERE. But you have to realize, NOT to take this too seriously. Thinking
back, 10 years from now, it wont make much difference, and youll realize, that at this moment, NOW, you realize that this is
just for fun... ;)

4)

DO NOT GIVE UP OTHER PRIORITIES TO SARGE. Think about it: ALL people work on a CONGRUENCE principle. WE exploit it
with women, by extracting FAST SEX from them, so that they have to RATIONALIZE that they were in love. Women (Rules
Girls) extract LOTS OF WORK in the courtship from us, to make us think that we are in love (it works, a chick used it on me
in high school and Im still SCARRED), since we rationalize that we wouldnt have done so much for a chick we didnt truly love.
Its all CONGRUENCE.
***How does that relate to STATE CONTROL you ask? Simple. The MORE you GIVE UP to make time to learn ASF stuff, the
more you NEED it to work, to justify your efforts. And down the chain we go, the more you get NERVOUS during a sarge, since
youre thinking this HAS to work, Ive invested SO MUCH TIME, and given up my marks at school, work, etc..) That doesnt
mean stop doing the whole ASF thing.. it just means MODERATE. Also, to add to this, make sure you have a really firm base of
family and friends, so that you dont NEED a GF to feel good.

5)

Use GAME METAPHORS, to ease your state. Mystery calls PU The Game.
Thats a powerful metaphor, cause it helps you to realize that this is a GAME, and you should play it like one. Also, the I AM A
THIRTEEN YEAR OLD PIMP bit can help you to relax, cause it SATARIZES your own behaviour, and helps you to loosen up
during your sarges.

6)

Concentrate on smaller DIRECT goals for now. Today I will try to isolate, even if theres no SOI, or Today Ill use this
opener, and whatever happens happens. etc etc.. That way, youll feel accomplished, even if you dont score.

7)

ACCEPT, and I mean GENUINELY ACCEPT that you are NOT good with women, 95%+ of ALL MEN are NOT as good with women
as they claim and delude themselves to believe, and if a woman rejects your advances ACCEPT THAT IT DOES NOT REFLECT
ON YOU IN ANY WAY other than just as a fuck up in your _G_A_M_E_. Would you feel bad about loosing at Street Fighter in an
arcade? No? Why not? Because its a GAME that you play for FUN. Its more fun to win of course, but its fun EITHER WAY,
since you learn new techniques/moves/etc. GENUINELY ACCEPT that rejection is not a rejection of you as a person, and you
will not get so nervous.

8)

Get field experienced. Fear of the unknown is very understandable, and to be expected. The more field experienced you get,
the less unknown it becomes, and hence, less fear -> state is controlled more readily.

INNER GAME
Inner game wise, most recently anyway, I think I made the best strides when I began to view my relationship with women
differently.
I know that in the past, Id always wanted a genuine and trusting relationship. I felt that this was possible, and also felt that
through the study of game, I could acheive this.
However, knowing what I know now, I view women differently.
I used to judge women in a GUYS FRAME. What I mean by that, is that I would judge women in the same way Id judge a guy.
Things like reliability, trust, level-headedness, and liking me for who I really am.
Ive since come to re-frame the frame by which I judge women.
Now I view them as elements in my life that are pleasant/beautiful, like flowers or a really cute pet.
I believe that women are like cats - theyll sit on your lap and keep you company for as long as you pet them the right way, but as
soon as you scratch them wrong theyll jump off and forget the last hour of work.
My main connections and friendships are with my FRIENDS, including and especially female friends. I think that women have the
similar capacity as men for honour and trust, but in the context of friendship. When your relation is based on a different dynamic of
emotional need, friendship and trust is a CONTINGENCY, that CAN happen, but is by no means something that should be expected
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So now, with that mentality, I no longer feel much neediness. I have a much much greater value on my friendships than I do on my
sexual relationships. I ENJOY them, but I view women like pets.
Papa said it to me like this: Girls are like schoolyard friends. They come play with me, and then when we get bored we go play
with somebody else.
Externally, this is manifested by the fact that Im never angry or resentful towards women. If they fuck me around, I just take it as
a deficiency somewhere in my game. I know that under different circumstances, the same girl would have reacted differently.
I never get upset with anything that girls do. They are emotional creatures, and when the context is dealing with a new guy who
they know wants something from them, they make irrational emotionally state based decisions. But then, these decisions are not
necessarily so irrational. They are only as irrational as SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS have made them. And the social constructs that exist
are not realistic towards womens biological tendencies.
Women are biologically built for multiple mates, and to promote sperm wars, jealousy, and elicit competition from men. Ive seen
this in the field on levels that are astonishing. I could post thousands of examples, from the way that the sweetest/nicest girls will
call their boyfriends from my house the next morning, lying with such skill and absence of guilt, it actually shocks me. Or watching
girls as they stand by watching two guys out-alpha eachother, when they were having an incredible time getting to know the lesser
guy right before, but the more alpha guy just condescends and unloads him, and the girl just goes off with the more alpha guy, with
no regard to the connection shes just built with the poor sucker. And in saying this, I am focusing not only on the actions
themselves, but the blank uncaring look that they have while this happens. To me, this is purely biological. Like with the lying,
they seem to act as though whats going on makes perfect sense. Like theyre built for it. Go to Leicester Square in England at 2am
to watch this go down. Watch close, and learn from it.
At this point, my expectations from women are virtually nil. I make economical decisions, and deal with them from a purely
business standpoint. I do this yet, as a hobby. Its fun for me to be like this.
So I suppose the biggest way that this has changed my external game is the way that I react to roadblocks.
If a girl is blowing me off, I just keep barreling through with more material, or do takeaways and come back. Likewise with flakes.
I dont get upset with disrespect or flakiness. I just deal with it.
If a girl in set is giving me trouble, adjust on the spot. I dont take it as a personal thing. Its not.
If a girl sleeps with other guys, oh well. I fucked up somewhere. Dump her, or change gameplan. Either/Or, depending on my
situation at the time.
My friendships are with my friends. Girls Im sleeping with are NOT my friends. Theyre girls who I MAY BECOME friends with based
on CONTINGENCIES, but its not something that I expect nor hope for. I ENJOY it when it happens, but I dont expect it. I am selfsufficient, and the closest people to me are my friends. Also a sense or spirituality (not necessarily religious, but your sense of your
place in the world), makes me feel self-contained, and unneedy. This translates into the projection of a much cooler person, IMHO.
Women are incredible. I love them. They add incredible value to my life. But I love them as I love something that is fleeting,
because the cognitive model with which I was indoctrinated is wrong.
My thought is to enjoy my life independently, and need nothing from anyone. But at the same time, to become someone who
others will want to give to, and to appreciate it while it lasts.

IMPROVEMENT AND INTERNAL DIALOGUE

Man, I feel so bad for my friend who I hung out with tonight. It was really a sad case.
Ive been travelling for 3/4s of a year now, and not really seen all of my friends that I grew up with that often. They seem alot
different than I remember.
Guys like Papa, SB007, 26, TheOne, and all the other guys I hang with - theyre always improving themselves socially, and giving
feedback periodically. Well talk with eachother if we qualify ourselves or act insecure or weird, and put it in check. Or even if it
just could have been improved, its discussed out of interest.
Like well go out, and later on well ask eachother stuff like How did this come off?. And it will be like Well man, you didnt really
have to say this and this. And why did you say this? What was really gained by it? I liked this and this, though.
We just focus on it, because thats what gets you laid really. Thats why some guys can learn some T/T, and they get laid instantly.
They have this stuff down naturally, so give them an opener and a routine and an understanding of what ASD is, and they instantly
get laid. Other guys, they have so far to go that no amount of ASF will help without meeting other PUAs to get extensive help (pro
shrinks usually cant fix this stuff because theyre eggheads themselves). I didnt really have this stuff naturally, and had to
struggle with it. I still do. But I have such a read on it now, that it all feels pretty natural. Its internalized.
Thats how you make progress. Unconscious incompetence -> conscious incompetence -> conscious competence -> unconscious
competence.
Like, alot of what I do I guess goes something sort of like:

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pinpoint place where I could socially improve

pinpoint what internal issue or incongruency is causing this (what sorts of thoughts do I have that lead up to me fucking up)
try faking that I dont have this problem, and see how I feel about the result
fix the internal incongruency, by knowing that Ive seen improvements by consciously not making the same errors that
stemmed from the insecurity or unhelpful internal dialogue, and therefore I just let it go because my experience tells me that it
makes sense
sit back and enjoy the improvements

So after doing this for around a year, I have improved myself more than I realized. Like I took it for granted, until I came back
home and saw how I used to act - given that I used to be worse than my friends.
We all have internal dialogues, and this is the crux of our inner game. The important thing is to fix this stuff, both by recognizing
the external manifestations of internal weaknesses, and letting go of the issues that spawned the problems in the first place.
I go back to my old friends, and they have all of these internal incongruencies that are so obvious to me now. Its so obvious to me,
I feel really bad for them.
Thats because I know their internal dialogue. Ive lived it myself. Like I can read instantly what sorts of internal thoughts that
theyre having, when they say certain things. I can see their core identity issues, and how theyre feeling at the time, just by the
way that they communicate.
I feel like screaming Man - it doesnt have to be like this! You can fix this!
But they arent ready for it. Theyre too insecure. Its so fucked up.
What it comes down to is that improving in the game isnt exclusively about tactics / tech (although that is huge).
Its also about self-reflection, and being willing to see where youre fucking up and being willing to acknowledge it.
This isnt just newbies either. I know of several PUAs in this community, that think that theyre beyond this sort of process. They
think that theyre perfect, and above being a student of the game. Ive seen some nasty cases of this in recent months. And its a
shame because many top guys have lost their edge, and the success that they initially attained through proper thinking has bread
arrogance and stagnation.
Thats a shame, because the attitude that got them their initial success was very much the opposite. So their game becomes static.
They go months without seeing improvement, and they attribute it to their having a top skillset.
In fact, your skillset can always improve. Always. It never stops unless you want it to.
I personally have so many different things that I could incorporate into an interaction to make it tighter, that it would take a decade
to get it fully developed. I will post more on this in the future, as I have so fucking much to say on this topic. There is so much
stuff thats never even been explored in our community, thats so fucking tight. If in one year this topic is even more muddled and
confusing than it is now, thats great. Because any real inquisition will always leave you with more questions than answers. The
answers that you sought will be revealed, but in the process, a whole new slew of questions will crop up. Weve seen that in the
past year, and ideally that trend will continue.
I really want to post more about the process that I use, because I think that its really neglected. Ill do that this week hopefully.
Big things to come...
In the meantime, I feel horrible for my friend. Hes in really bad shape.
Ill have to figure something out I guess.

THE SECRET SOCIETY

Many guys will dislike this, because it implies that women are sluts and untrustworthy. Well, I can only speak from my experience
and report back what Ive seen. Im also posting in a semi-satirical tone - I havent gone off the deepend..... yet... :)
A secret society exists. Around 52% of people on this earth are a part of it.
Of that 52%, 50% are women, 2% are men.
Of that 2%, 1% of those men are gay, the other 1% are players.
What Im talking about is the sex secret society - and you are either IN or OUT.

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)

SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:

Dont talk about the secret society.
The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.
Create shrowds around the secret society, like all men are dogs. Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than
men.
If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.
Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications,
and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on
it, and it would no longer be a secret.

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7)

At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both
love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.
Its OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of
someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare
guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. It doesnt count.

9)

Nobody judges eachother in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT
in the secret society are aware of.
10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off. Conversely, if
a secret society male is with a non-secret-society male, and a secret society female (all females) decides she wants sex from
the secret society male, the friend of the female may have sex with the non-secret-society male, because EVERYONE in the
interaction must feel good. However, if the non-secret-society male is blowing himself out so badly that he makes the female
member feel very bad emotions, then the secret-society-male must face the consequences of bringing negative emotions into
the equation, and lose out on his privilege for sex in that interaction, until he ditches the non-secret-society male. Bear
minimum requirements for non-secret-society males being grandfathered in with the male member, is that he not qualify
himself or make anyone feel uncomfortable. Failing to meet those requirements, both are blown out.
WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?
Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:
1)
2)
3)

Their own sexual needs.

The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.
The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible (players).

The secret society is what allows women to appear wholesome and allows them to screen for a long term
provider/emotionaltampon.
Women hold off to find the perfect boyfriend, while sleeping with a guy who is likely sleeping with all of their friends, and their
friends friends.
They also fuck their gay boyfriends or jerk them off or give them head. Theyre part of the secret society too, so they cant be left
out.
EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM SECRET SOCIETY INSIDERS (based on dozens of interviews I did over the summer, with girls in
London England, as well as some from my own experience as a player):
1)

If you tell a girl that youre gay, and that you want to see what it feels like to be with a girl, shell sleep with you. She wont
insist on using a condom either, unless you do. Youre part of the secret society, where condoms arent necessary because they
are logical entities and not emotionally relevant.
2) If you subcommunicate that you are a part of the secret society, and tell the friend of your target Im really lonely. My
girlfriend cheated on me, and I need to re-validate myself tonight, shell tell her friend to fuck you. Her friend will realize from
this that you are a part of the secret society, and shell fuck you. Moreover, if the friend refuses, the ugly girl will offer you a
blowjob to help you out.
3) If you manage to verbally subcommunicate that you are a member (its still subcommunication, because the verbal ways you
communicate it arent direct at all), the secret society members will gladly tell you all about their sexual exploits and
adventures. As soon as you subcommunicate that you desire romance, she will immediately retract all of her previous
statements (and shell look completely congruent doing so), and downplay them that it was something she did just one time
and that shes looking for a relationship. PUA: I love to go out and hook up. I hate it when girls try to run my life.. HB: Me
too.. I hooked up with guys all last year.. My boyfriend tried to control me, but I do what I want.. My girlfriends all do it too.
PUA: Really? Cause to be honest, Ive always felt like Im a romantic guy.. And girls always cheat on me.. I want to find a girl
who wont cheat. HB: I would never cheat. Guys are dogs. Im always loyal. PUA: But didnt you say... HB: No, I said
nothing. PUA: No, you said that you dont let your boyfriend control you and you do what you want. HB: No, I didnt mean
that. Im not a slut. I have no idea what youre talking about, I didnt say that.
4) If you are a member, and say that you are really lonely and you need someone to snuggle and makeout with, all members of
the secret society will agree to do so with you. If you are a girl, you have privilege to snuggle and kiss and sleep in the same
bed as all other girls. If you are gay, you can do the same. If it escalates to sex, its an accident and does not count. If youre
a player, and you make girls around you emotional, and the friends are all in good emotions about it, they sleep with you. No
one is a slut in the secret society, because the secret society does not judge.
5) If a group of girls living together find a guy who is in the secret society, they will all fuck him. Theyll recommend him as an
honourary secret society member, and enjoy him. Meanwhile they may be in relationships with non-secret society members
that theyve fallen in love with, however this is not an issue because nobody in the secret society judges and sex with people in
the secret society does not count. If you are a secret society member now, but in the past enjoyed a romantic relationship,
what you may not realize is the part that was left out of the romance novel story (due to rules no1&2 of the secret society
code), which was that after you dropped her off your romantic star watching, a secret society member came by and fucked the
shit out of her without a condom and gave her the money shot all over her face.
6) If a secret society male has a non member male friend, the friend of the girl who wants sex from the male member will have
sex with the non-member even if she doesnt like him. However, rules state that if if the non-member is creepy/scary (kinos
too much, leans in too much, asks dumb questions, tries too hard to impress, overqualifies), then the male member will be
expected to return either alone or with another male member. Also, the male members must remember that positive emotions
are always priority, and if he is alone he must still maintain the positive emotions of the female member who will not be getting
sex, secret society rules not to be breached. Number 1 rule of the secret society, outside of not talking about it, is that
EVERYONE maintains GOOD emotions.
THE UNDERLYING MISUNDERSTOOD TRUTH OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:
The 49% of men who live outside of the secret society dont understand the mental model of attraction of people who are in the
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Men view attraction in their MALE MENTAL MODELS. They believe that attraction is sexual aggression. They understand attraction
as having a physical urge to have sex, and then mentally deciding that you will go after it.
They try to seduce women by touching and grabbing them, and getting them very horny. They try to seduce them in the SAME WAY
that a woman would do well seducing THEM. They try to seduce them as if they were seducing a GUY. This sometimes works, and
the propaganda is spread - this is how to get chicks.
Secret society members will not fill them in, due to breach of the code.
What the secret society members are not telling you, is that they understand that most sex occurs when women are not sexually
AGGRESSIVE, but sexually RECEPTIVE.
They understand that for women to be ready for sex, they need not feel horny, they need only feel EMOTIONAL.
They understand that women are not logical, and that they are emotional. They understand that for women sex is not a big deal at
all, and that its their LOGIC that puts the breaks on it.
They understand that most women are afraid of sex because they lack TRUST, and because their LOGIC is putting on the breaks.
They disarm logic by making the women EMOTIONAL, so that their LOGIC (which is the BREAKS of emotion) becomes disarmed, and
at the same time maintain TRUST, so that the emotions generated wont be interfered with.
Then they simply have sex, because although the women are not WANTING sex, they are too EMOTIONAL to DECLINE sex. Then,
once they BEGIN to have a physical interaction, the women become horny and sexually aggressive as a result, and sex begins.
(NOTE: This is why girls must COCKBLOCK for eachother. Because they know that clubs are emotionally charged environments, and
that it wouldnt take much for a guy to use her resulting sexual receptiveness to lay her. The guy may not be a guy that the girl
would lay normally, were she feeling more logical, so the girls must look out for eachother. Guys dont need to do this because
firstly, they will not be judged for sleeping around (no logic), secondly, they are sexually aggressive - not receptive - so their
decisions will not be regretted later usually, and thirdly, because they do not need trust because they are not usually in any physical
danger).
They also understand that value + trust + attraction = sex (rough lazy model).
Value = being someone in the secret society (it can also be SO many other things, but being a member can in some cases be
sufficient)
Trust = not telegraphing interest
Attraction = increasing her buying temperature by making her emotional (emotionally aroused, not necessarily physically aroused..
the former will cause her to be too illogical to prevent you from causing the latter, when shes ready)
Dont tell anyone about this. All knowledge will be denied and you will be ridiculed.

SCIENCE OF SOCIAL NETWORKS

If you have really tight rapport skills, then you can get female friends..
become the pimp-daddy of shitloads of girls, so that they NEED to have you in
their life, but REFUSE to fuck them.
No matter how bad they want you, say straight up NO, I view you as a sister, and I love you too much to treat you like a
girlfriend. This makes NO SENSE to me personally, but the chicks I know dig it.
Then get them into a relationship where you makeout with them and sleep in the same bed, but dont EVER, and I mean EVER have
sex with them.. that way you can walk up to hotties with your pivot, and start groping them and kissing them in front of your target
chick.
For me, when I have a chick who seems flakey, Ill have one of my pivots meet me at the place where Im meeting my chick like
half an hour before, and Ill have her up on my lap rubbing my chest and giggling for when my flakey chick arrives.. Then I SNUB
my pivot right in front of my target chick (Im assuming that were talking HB8.5+ targets here, as this alienate you from a lesser
chick), but in a way where my pivot gets off on it, because she likes to be controlled.
I know that this sounds fucked up, but it requires you to tell girls STRAIGHT UP that you wont fuck them no matter what, and that
you value them as friends. I also tell most of my pivots that I love them, and this is something that is genuine, since I really do
love these chicks.. they take care of me, and cook and clean and massage for me, so why wouldnt I?? These chicks are
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Dude, the POINT of being a PUA is to be the EQUIVALENT of a hot HB.. you should STRIVE to have chicks that buy you dinners who
think that they can have a shot with you, and that you just slot into the friendship zone.. there is NO WAY that any PUA should be
doing his own housework or cooking or paying for massages, unless he CHOOSES to out of personal preferance.. I mean, sex is
great and all that, but having this stuff taken care of by female groupies is, IMO, a benefit that is close to as good. Plus its just
validating to be cared about by many women, in addition to your sexual partners.
Now if youre in the boat where girls dont really want to fuck you all the time (this will CHANGE as soon as you amass the social
network, since social proof is a total mindfuck for chicks), then focus on just chatting girls about DISARMING shit like:
I hate how like, you know, when we were kids.. guys and girls could just be friends.. and its so complicated now.. I just want to
have am ACQUAINTANCE in my life, that I can hang with and chill at parties with.. and invite to parties, and introduce to hang out
with my friends (IOW, play off her superficial desire for popularity)
I love my girlfriend SO MUCH.. were SO CLOSE.. My friend cheated on his girlfriend, and I thought what a JERK.. hey, theres xthing this friday, Id LOVE for you to HANG OUT with my group of friends, and we could do x-platonic-activity..
And just do shit like that, until you have at least 5-10 female friends who LOVE you so much, and desperately NEED you in their life.
oh yeah, another big thing is that its good to talk to them like youre a CHICK yourself..
so use them for emotional fulfillment.. talk about all your problems to them, and let them comfort you.. emotionally leech off of
them the same way that chicks who leech off of nice guys If only I could meet a nice guy! (as the poor LJBF bastard thinks Im
nice dammit!! shell see it someday, I just know it!)..
tell girls that you cant meet a nice girl.. and that you want to so bad.. and youre looking ALL OVER and dating SO MANY girls, just
because you CRAVE ROMANCE and LOVE.. that way they can fantasize about how after youre done with all these mean bad girls,
youll fall for THEM someday and get married.. just so long as they stick with you, and do what you say.
then tell them that you love THEM, and that you care about them so much as sisters, and that you couldnt live without them.. shit
like that.
reverse the frame that chicks use on nice guys
I actually really value my pivots, and value their friendship.. I DO care about them, and would help them if they ever needed it.. its
also great, because I get all of my emotional needs taken care of, which seems to make me more alpha and aloof in front of chicks
that Im PUing.. I dont seem needy, because I have my emotional needs taken care of always by my pivots.

SOCIAL INTELLIGENCE VIBING

Social Intelligence. Having struggled so hard to learn it, I have so much to say on this topic. In this post Id like to specifically
discuss social vibing and insecurity (a very focused, but important peice of the puzzle).
There are many subcommunications that are being telegraphed at all times in any interaction. Both verbal and non-verbal.
Social interactions have features and customs that I suppose are designed to make them pleasant.
As social animals, we have the attribute of actually enjoying socializing just for the sake of socializing.
We socially VIBE.
People who break the vibe are considered socially unintelligent, and despite being perhaps very good/worthwhile people, they will
come across poorly.
Most people, once you get to know them, are really worthwhile. Ive rarely met someone, who when put in a position where I was
by circumstance made to get to know them, that I didnt come to like.
So whats the difference between someone who is COOL and someone who is UNCOOL? The way that they COME ACROSS. Their
level of social intelligence. Their ability to CONVEY it. TELEGRAPH it. SUBCOMMUNICATE it. Understanding how to socially
vibe telegraphs that you are secure with yourself. Failing to understand telegraphs insecurity.
Much of this post assumes that early game is now past, and you are in comfort building (if you use my PU model, if you are using
Jugglers, for example, then this would apply from the very start because he is full rapport).

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LAUGHING AS VIBING:
Laughter is not only a stress relief mechanism. Its actualy a social mechanism.
Laughter basically shows that your social group is vibing well. Monkeys, while they cant talk like we can, still laugh when they are
in rapport with eachother.
Think to when you were telling a joke, and the group vibe was just so TIGHT.
The people were starting to laugh before youd even delivered the punch line.
Maybe you said I havent even told the joke yet, and you guys are laughing.
And they cant figure out why, and they laugh even more as you say this.
Also, think of how when you use cocky tactics, girls laugh/giggle. This is a sign that they are wanting to vibe with you.
The movie Goodfellas, in the scene where Joe Pesci is telling jokes at the restaurant table, and everyone is laughing harder and
harder. Ray Liotta cant stop laughing. Its not just the humour. Its the VIBE.
People who are not socially intelligent will LAUGH AT THEIR OWN JOKES. They laugh prior to the group starting to laugh.
Notice next time that someone laughs at their own joke first. Were you JUST ABOUT to laugh, but then didnt when they did first?
They were attempting to FILL IN THE RAPPORT GAP.
When the boss of an office tells a joke, everyone laughs. When the beta male tells it, he worries that nobody will, and laughs at his
own joke to fill in the so-called rapport gap.
Concentrate on VIBING, and dont try to artificially push rapport.
Better, is to WAIT until the group laughs, and THEN laugh with them.
This gap is also seen when people say right after all of their sentences. They are trying to FILL IN the right that the other person
SHOULD have said themself, IF THEY HAD been socially vibing properly.

RHETORICAL SEQUENCING:
People, when talking, use weird (when you think about it) rhetorical sequencing. Here is an example:
A guy is excited that he got a cheap deal on a coat.
GOOD VIBING:
GUY: Youll never guess how much I got this coat for.
FRIEND: Wow.. Umm, 200$.
GUY: No man. 45$
FRIEND: Wow.. Nice man.
BAD VIBING:
GUY: Youll never guess how much I got this coat for.
FRIEND: Oh you got a deal. I guess 30$ then.
GUY: Umm, actually 45$
FRIEND: Oh.. well thats not bad.
Notice that the friend TELEGRAPHED SUBCOMMUNICATIONS of INSECURITY.
His thought process was: Ill show GUY that Im smart. Im clever enough to pickup on the fact that if he said Youll never guess
what I paid, that he got a deal. Then Ill have shown him that I passed his test.
His INSECURITY caused him to miss out on the social vibing, which was intended to build excitement and wasnt a test at all.
The secure guy, although realizing that the coat was really cheap, would still guess something lower end, but still high enough that if
the guys deal wasnt as great as he thought, hell still feel good. After all, its bought, so why worry about that stuff (UNLESS you
seriously could hookup a massively cheaper deal and return the coat (which the socially intelligent guy would ascertain before even
suggesting it), in which case the happiness derived from that would outweigh actually telling the guy that he didnt get the best
deal).
ANOTHER EXAMPLE:
GOOD VIBING:
HB: I just got this crazy shirt. Look at it.
PUA: Wow.. Cute!
BAD VIBING:
HB: I jsut got tihs crazy shirt. Look at it.
PUA: Cool.. Hey you know in L.A. that shirt would be nothing. I should bring you there sometime.

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ANOTHER EXAMPLE:
GOOD VIBING:
(Friend1 drives to Toronto for the first time with Friend2)
FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
FRIEND2: Whoa.. Thats pretty big dude.
BAD VIBING:
FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks..
FRIEND2: Dude, thats cool.. But man, you should see NYC. Man, NYC KILLS this place.
(JLAIX: If youre reading this, who does this remind you of? HINT: His first name is LERON).
Again, with these examples, the person who is not vibing right does not get something: The purpose of the initial comment was
NOT to ACTUALLY debate it. It was to SOCIALLY VIBE. The content was not the REAL communication. It was a surface for
SUBCOMMUNICATION, which INTENDED to say Lets have a nice time, and have rapport with eachother and relax.
The insecure and socially unintelligent person is taking the sentences of the first person, and FIELDING them as OPPORTUNITIES TO
QUALIFY HIMSELF.

HEIRARCHIES - ROLE IN SOCIAL INTERACTION:

We all get our moment in the sun at some point.
Youll notice, that when you are holding court, that sometimes people will be insecure with that.
The secure guy will recognize when its someones turn to hold court, and not fight it.
A person who is secure will talk to ADD EMPHASIS to a point. He will not DISPUTE a point while someone is holding court. He
knows that hell have his chance LATER, and that right now someone is trying to get a point across.
Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view is at an opportunity to demonstrate
their value.
They CANNOT RESIST the temptation.
For an example that everyone reading this can recoginze, look to this chatboard. Something tight will get posted. Insecure posters
will nightpick semantics. Like While this is important, its maybe an 8 out of 10 level importance. Not a 10 like you said. The
secure poster, if he finds the level of emphasis on a level where its honestly misinformative, might post I think that x,y,z are really
good, man. I think that you might consider less emphasis on it though, because a,b,c are important as well. Good post though
man, I like x,y,z
ANOTHER feature youll see on this board, and that is in the same vein, are
THROWING LITTLE NEGS or TRYING TO COME OFF AUTHORITATIVE WHEN ITS NOT YOUR PLACE.

For example, youll see guys trying to get rapport with someone they dont know by throwing little negs.
GOOD VIBING:
OLD FRIEND 1: Hey Stevo, you fucking bastard.. Cmere gimme a hug
BAD VIBING:
NEW ACQUAINTANCE: Cmere you fucker, help me out.
The second is BAD vibing, because he is trying to FORCE rapport with subcommunication that is only appropriate of old friends.
Similarly, youll see guys who try to come off authoritative. Youll see it on the board, where a guy will post something quality, and
someone who doesnt like him will post Thats very quality material. Good that you posted something of quality. Its like hes
trying to come off authoritative. Like he realizes that hes negged on the guy on the chatboard, and he feels insecure that the guy
he negged produced something worthwhile. So he has to come in and be all authoritative, like I can show everyone that I
recognize a good post. Guys in real life will see someone who they publically disliked starting to improve himself, and say things
like Good that youre improving. KEEP IT UP. By this, they are trying to CONTROL what is happening. They are trying to say
Improve, because I, the AUTHORITY, approved.
More on this... If youve ever ever ran a very good presentation at work or school, and you see an insecure person come up to you
and criticize.
They dont realize its YOUR TURN TO HOLD COURT. Their turn is LATER.
So they throw little negs at you. Like they always have to offer advice on how you could have improved it. They cant just say
Good job man.
Or they have to nit-pick subtleties. Like they cant say That was awesome.
They have to first go over their advise on where you fucked up.

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For a real life example that most guys on this board can recognize, when you meet up with another guy from the scene through
PAIR, if hes insecure hell do the following:
123-

Talk about game non-stop, rather than PLAY.

Watch you do a set, and CRITICIZE on what could be improved, rather than encourage.
You tell him about something that happened, and he gives you ADVICE, rather than just listening.

SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH VIBING AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT DISCUSSING AN

ISSUE
When socializing, a good vibe will be set when the reason for being there is to enjoy eachothers company.
However, sometimes a bad vibe can be set when the presupposition is that youre there for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with purpose. It has a place, and more of my daily interactions have a purpose than those that
are to socially vibe.
However, recognizing that tagging a set purpose to an interaction will often stop a nice vibe from occuring, will help with a pickup.
Insecure people will often LATCH onto a purpose for the conversation, as a way of maintaining it.
Then theyll leave on a high note once that purpose is exhausted.
This is a MAJOR cause of flaking. You maintained a conversation with a girl, but the presupposition was that you were discussing an
issue. You left on the high note, but didnt realize that you were actually REINFORCING to the girl that you are not socially
compatible.
When going to meet up with you again, shell think Well, we really have
nothing more to talk about though. I dont want to have nothing to talk about,
because that would feel unfortable
As guys, we dont care. We might feel nervous that well have nothing to talk about, but we want sex. But girls, if the feel
uncomfortable, they wont show up. Thats one reason why guys who smoke pot get laid alot. Girls rarely flake on them, because
they have that social presupposition that will give comfort. For the rest of us who dont smoke, we use SOCIAL VIBING rather than
FORCED social interaction, to maintain comfort.
Clinging too strenously to a particular topic can come across insecure. When you say to a friend Lets go have a beer, the subtext
is Lets go socially vibe. You dont go discuss an issue, and say Lets reconvene later. You go and you chill. You have a
FRIENDSHIP. Non-party-chicks rarely flake on guys they have both attraction AND friendship with. But they do flake on guys who
attract them, tongue them down, and say Give me your #.

PRACTICAL FEMALE INTERACTION:

In summary, how does this apply in practical terms?

Most of it comes in, during comfort building phase. Or if you use a different PU model than I do, then its when youre getting to
know the girl either way.
1)
Dont crack jokes to the girl, and laugh at them before she does. Wait.
Youll notice that it sometimes takes even 10-15 seconds for a joke to process.
But it DOES. I usually bust on her for it Oh, slow processing time.. Thats
OK, youre my little sister.. I didnt adopt you for your brains
Also, dont say right after everything. It can come across beta. Right?
2)

When a girl is trying to impress you, RECOGNIZE it as her QUALIFYING herself. If you reject it, youll come
across insecure, or socially unaware.

This is DIFFERENT than the C&F stuff early, where you break rapport on purpose. In fact, much like how the 25 Points to not trying
too hard assumed that you were in EARLY GAME, this post to some extent at least assumes you are PAST early game.
SHARE her excitement by recognizing rhetorical social sequencing.
3)

Recognize when its your turn to talk, and when somebody else is being focused on.

MUCH MUCH of the mid/later game is the chick qualifying herself to you.
Because our pickup model encorporates alot of not trying, youll notice your best pickups (with NON-party-chicks at least) are with
the ones who at some point EARN your attention.
They perceive that theyve WON your interest, and plan to COLLECT THE PRIZE (your dick in their mouth).
4)
If a girl tells you about a problem, just LISTEN and change her emotion.
Say Ouch, thats sounds tough.. But hey, youre a powerpuff girl, and you know
youre to fiesty to let this stop you.. Lets check out x,y,z
Definetely dont offer advice. If she wants advice, shell say WHAT SHOULD I DO? Unless someone asks me what to do, I rarely
offer advice. OR, I say You know i have experience with this, so maybe later you can ask me about it.

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5)

Focus on SOCIALLY VIBING and dont CLING TO TOPICS. This will prevent flaking, and make her feel
comfortable around you.

Dont leave on a high note. THERE IS NO HIGHNOTE. There is only vibing and flipping the switches that she needs to have
switched in order to fuck you.

I suppose this sort of approach is the external way of coming at the problem.
The other way of course would be the internal way, which would mean improving your inner game so that youre not needy and
youre not insecure.
I think that inner approach is great and has alot of value.
At the same time, the externally focused approach is what solved my internal issues, because once I figured out the points of how
internally-balanced people acted, I got laid and then started to feel better internally.
Like one thing I like to do with newbs is tell the girls from the set Im in that they have to tongue him down and grab his dick, or Ill
leave and blow them off. Or Ill tell a girl from a 2set that if her friend isnt warm to my friend, Ill leave because hes bored. The
girls do this, and then the newb walks around strutting like hes the man for the rest of the night. Then he PUs another separate
chick on his own, gets MOMENTUM, and it snowballs. These are extreme cases of the externally focused approach, but just focusing
on the mannerisms of successful guys can do the same.
At the same time, for alot of guys they really need internal work. Like no success will fix them internally. So I think that both
approaches are great.
I know Twentysix is now running great game, and he did both externally focused stuff (going out 4 nights a week), as well as seeing
a psychologist.

JUST GO OUT AND WATCH

Tonight I was feeling a little tired so I chilled out. I was by myself, had girls approaching me, but I just wanted to watch what was
going on cause I wasnt feeling that talkative.
So at closing time, I sat back and watched the club and the social dynamics that were going on. Like I sat there looking like I was
waiting for someone to come out of the club, and watched while everyone socialized outside the club before going home.
I noticed alot of frantic drunk girls, many of them mumbling shit like I want that guy.. I want to fuck.. and then their friends
dragging them away before any guy could hear it. Also, I would see girls just frollicking around. Its pretty retarded actually.
Theyre like little kittens in a prairie, walking from one stimulus to the next. Its like watching 4 year olds on school recess.
It was funny watching the way that girls treat guys. They give pretty disinterested bodylanguage to even guys theyre friends with.
The way they treat guys is so wack. They totally dont give a shit, and you can see that guys are just like the next stimulation and
not something that they take very seriously in their reality. All the girls just wander around, and then giggle and hug eachother
randomly. Fuck, Im so glad I know this shit and dont have to get treated like all those dudes.
The funny thing also is watching the guys the girls respond to. Ive known this forever (since its a huge part of my game), but it
was funny just watching it. Its always the guys who dont react to being groped that the girls grope and grope.

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You see the natural players at the end of the night, trying to pull. The girls are drunk, and theyre resisting but the players just
keep gaming them and running their shit. Its like a nature video where the mating shit is getting worked out. You can see as some
players understand how to effect them emotionally, while others will crack and use some logical reasoning to move them, which
doesnt work. Or some players dont have a firm gameplan on where to take them (since they cant say lets go home), and the
girl will be about to leave, but hes indecisive and her logical brain re-engages and shes like actually Ill just catch you later.
Boom, easy come easy go.
Its like deals are being negotiated. You also see these 2sets of chicks who will sit there looking bored, just waiting for guys to
approach them. And you see guys who are leaning in or buying beers or boring them, not getting anywhere. But sometimes you
see these guys who will run the set properly, and the set will naturally split from a 4way convo to two 2way convos (this is a
NATURAL element of buying temperature in 2sets, where the convo will split if they both like you and girlcode that to eachother.. I
can FAKE this also by FORCING a split, which my wingmen know that the second I disengage the group and focus only on one chick,
that means that its time for them to engage their one chick). Its funny though, to watch this go down. The interesting thing is that
the guys who have game arnet using that much great verbal material. Although they are C&F, the girls are giggling just from
nothing, because they are SUBCOMMUNICATING the right things through bodylanguage/tonality. Alot of the natural guys hold back,
or even cross their arms, coming across like theyre judging the girls, and deciding whether or not to unlock for them. Of course I
can do all this shit 10X better than the naturals, because Im so conscious of it. So I can consciously manipulate my
subcommunication, which rocks.
Also, you see alot of natural alphamales grabbing the girls and carrying them over their shoulders, and yelling shit and doing dumb
playful shit like hipbumping the girls and being funny in a nonsense sort of way. You see they dont really care about anybody and
dont regard anybody much, and they just yell nonsensical shit, and then the girls start crawling all on them.
At the same time, you see they dont have the skills to pull like this, because the girls still wind up leaving alone.
Another thing I noticed was (again, Ive known this forever) that the guys who have the most booming tonality are the ones people
pay attention to. Alphamales have resonous noise-clutter-cutting voices. They speak from the diaphragm and its cuts over all the
other noise, without it sounding like theyre yelling. I do this also, its a huge part of my game. I can talk in a way that will be heard
all around me, but doesnt come across like Im yelling.
Notice also that when you YELL at a chick in a funny way, she starts giggling uncontrollably and grabbing you. Its like when girls
get all hyper and yell dumb shit like AAAAHHH.. IM SO DRUNK and her friends will scream with her.
Its so fucked up. I do this shit on girls all the time. I yell shit like
HOW DO YOU GUYS ROLL WITH HER?!?!?, and IM NOT TALKING TO YOU ANYMORE..
YOURE TOO WEIRD!! (to 10s who Im deep in set with)
You can also see that nobody has the guts to come to the venue alone. Everyone came with friends.
The little bodylanguage twitches are so interesting. The way girls face guys, and what SPECIFIC
actions/bodylanguage/tonality/gimmicks/topics/indifference (the last one in particular) cause girls to face the guy and pay more
attention to him.
And you can see the more beta guys who put their arms around the girls, and the girls grip is loose, but the guy is holding her of his
own force. The more alpha guys will hold her, but will disengage it first and will turn around and look at their friends and not give a
shit, and the girl will say something to get his attention back and then hell re-initiate.
All fun to watch.
Anyway, it was interesting to me personally. Not sure if this is of any interest to anyone else.

LOW KEY VS HIGH IMPACT PU

There are different styles of PU, that require you to act differently. If you guys remember my old Jamie Lee Curtis Opener, youll
know that I walk up and say something like: I saw the most fascinating thing today.. and go off into this Jamie Lee Curtis story I
read about.
Another good one is I just saw the new Lord of the Rings movie (this works with ANY movie that is POP-CULTURE, and shell be
curious about it regardless of whether or not she wants to see it.. Matrix Reloaded will work this summer)
These is a LOW KEY approaches. I am getting her into chat in a low-key way. Im not shocking her, Im just initiating convo.
Both openers auger well with GMW (Gunwitch Method) pickups. You can just walk in, initiate a conversation, and start projecting a
sexual state. Shell pickup on this AMAZING CHEMISTRY that she has for you, and the boring convo will seem CHARGED to her.
The new Maniac Plan has alot of this sort of stuff in it. Theres also an old post by Neo-Rio that has good stuff for this, called
Essence of PU Plan (parts 1 and 2).
These are just small talk, although SOME of the lines are NOT neutral enough for GMW (since using GMW REQUIRES neutral talk so
that her sexual state cant be broken by intrigue/curiousity/hummour/romance/etc).
One drawback of the low-key approach is getting LJBFed.
The HIGH IMPACT approach is very different. You use it to STOP superfly hot chicks in their tracks, to get them talking.

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If Im in a grocery store, Ill say hey, do you know where the natural peanut butter is??? NO??!?! Youre not allowed to shop here
unless you know.......
Im serious
Or Ill pickup the cat food and say this is SOOO good!.... I mean for my cats.. what did YOU think I meant?? Then Ill pretend that
shes retarded and fake that Im about to walk off, and shell say no no no no and Ill come back.
These are CREATIVE MISINTERPRETATIONS, where I tease her and make fun of her in a way that SHOWS that I am not needy and
willing to walk away. It is playful but yet shows no fear and hard-to-get-ness.
The point is that these are COCKY FUNNY. Notice that if you said these lines to a GUY that he would think youre retarded or
something. But I can crack girls up with this shit CONSISTENTLY. WHY??? Because them laughing is an acknowledgement that I
am DOMINANT and they are SUBMISSIVE. Its FLIRTING.
Right now I have this down so well, that I can consistently have either lone or groups of chicks laughing their heads off. I can
literally do ANYTHING and theyll just laugh. Most other ASFers who meet me are always shocked by how much I can get away
with, and how chicks laugh at anything that I say in a very submissive way. Ill even walk up and pull their hair smack them up (not
too hard). They LOVE it.
They laugh to show submissiveness, because you are FLIRTING. Your C&F comments are the SAME as flexing your muscles. Its a
display of alphaness, and gives her a feeling of SECURITY because she feels like you arent NEEDY, since youre obviously not afraid
to walk.
One downside to this sort of approach is that you often dont get rapport. You have a NASTY choice to make: Do I REWIND and
have some small talk to get rapport, or do I go for the JUGGULAR RIGHT NOW and close it???
I guarantee that if you contact close using EXCLUSIVELY C&F, you will get alot of flakes. The chicks are attracted at the TIME, but
when they get home, they think hell fuck me FOR SURE if I get together with him.... AM I READY FOR THIS???? So you either
have to rewind and get RAPPORT, or try to !close it right there.
Anyway, if you guys have read my FRs, youve seen me use alot of C&F ballbusting.. Since I dont post my LRs, I usually only post
something that I personally find interesting or funny (I use ASF sort of as my personal journal in that way)... So naturally theres
alot of the C&F crazy shit, since I think that its more interesting than a chat that lead to something spicier.
However, I DO use the low-key approach as well. You just need a HOOK to get her talking in a low-key way, and you can attract by
turning it either into a romantic moment (just through your composure and sophistication and maybe some other stuff) or a sexually
charged chemistry bath (using GMW).
Another BIG problem with the HIGH IMPACT approach for guys who want to lay any attractive chick REGARDLESS of her personality,
is that you SCREEN the non HSE (high self esteem) chicks.
So IOW, if you go high-impact, the chicks who KNOW that they are not sharp-witted enough to keep up with you will get upset.
ALSO, another big one is that lower calibre chicks (or even hot chicks with LSE and perceive themselves to be lower calibre) will
interpret your high-impact flirting as INSULTING.
The reason that its insulting, is that high-impact pickups are typically (for non-ASFers) reserved for HOT chicks, being PUed by cool
guys. When you use a high-impact approach on a lower-calibre chick, she interprets that in the SAME way that a fat chick will
interpret you are beautiful.. She will think that you are MOCKING her, and REMINDING her that she isnt hot.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to PU an UG using high impact stuff, in my personal experience. I personally LIKE the screening of non-HSE
chicks, but thats PERSONAL TASTE. Many guys get frusterated by it.
However, often REALLY high calibre chicks who KNOW the game, and who have been played by players in the past will ONLY want
the LOW-KEY approach, because its more genuine in their deluded opinion.
OK, this is confusing, but anyone with alot of experience will recognize alot of this. For those with less experience, it may make
things more clear to you when youre doing PU.

INDIRECT VS DIRECT
Be it right or wrong, this is my understanding of the indirect vs direct theory debate, and my views on it.
There is a SWITCH in a girls mind that says YES or NO the SECOND she detects either a verbal or non-verbal signal of interest.
By using direct approach theory (being up front about your desires), she may find this sexually appealing, because you're being
confident unlike other guys, and just going for it. This ALONE may cause the switch to trigger to 'YES'. Thus, direct approach theory
CAN work. You are attempting to knock down the girl in one move being upfront. However, if it is not immediately switched, IME,
the chick will switch it to 'NO'.
For example, MRSEX4UNYC advises this sytem, because his game is to WEED OUT girls that aren't at near buying temperature
RIGHT NOW. This suits his lifestyle, and I don't dispute it gets him many lays. For me, I ENJOY chasing harder to get girls, so I
devise this system to get me the girls that I'm interested in.
SO, the difference in the systems are based NOT on whether or not they WORK. Rather, they are based on different pickup GOALS.
For me personally, I also enjoy indirect approach, because it can STILL work for girls who were at buying temperature, because I
have a good intuition to recognize buying temperature and exploit it. So it works in BOTH cases for me either way.

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Not that direct approach theory CAN'T get you harder to get girls. However, it is important to understand that you've flipped the
switch immediately off the opener, and you now risk working against the current instead of with it (her chasing, vs her screening)
Likewise, indirect will still get you the easy girls so long as you recognize the easy/willing-prey and exploit it fast.
In public gatherings, I prefer to HOLD OFF the signal of interest in every way possible, and first CONVEY STATUS and COOL stuff
about myself. That way, I can be direct LATER if I want, and STILL get the same "this guy goes for what he wants, he is alpha"
thing. However, I'm doing it AFTER she has earned it by chasing and qualifying herself to me, rather than before.
She has MORE TO GO ON to make her decision to flip the switch YES or NO, because she not only says "he's alpha for being direct,
so I'll say yes after I screen him", but she's looking at all the good stuff that I've conveyed PRIOR to making her flip the switch and
she's chased me PRIOR to having flipped it.
The notion that "if you're indirect you'll be LJBF'ed" is no longe relevant for me personally, because I could NEVER be put into th
friendship zone. The reason is that I don't convey LJBF qualitie anymore (like back when I was AFC), so even if I don't go
immediately sexual with her, she STILL finds me attractive, and therefore when I DO, I haven't done anything to bar myself OUT of
sexual communication with her, so its still EQUALLY as effective to if I'd flipped the switch right on the opener.
The idea that indirect approach theory will not close is based on the principle that somehow by not being upfront, the chick
PERMANENTELY classifies you as non-sexual material. This is flat out not the case in my experience, but maybe for guys who are
still new to field work, they suffer from this because they don't have the alpha stuff internalized well enough, so they HAVE to rely
on direct approach theory to be considered as a sexual prospect by the girl. Either way, for PUAs well into their carreers, the risk of
LJBF should be non-existent, by virtue of their internalized mannerisms.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN OPINION OPENER AND A WHERE DID YOU GET THAT OPENER: An opener like the DAVID
BOWIE OPENER or BLONDE HAIR OPENER is very DIFFERENT than what does that shirt mean?, or how are you. WHY??? They are
both QUESTIONS right??? NO. They are 180 degrees DIFFERENT. Please FOLLOW ME HERE. The KEY to a PICKUP is **SUCKING THE
GIRL INTO YOUR REALITY**. When you ask a question about DAVID BOWIE, its something that YOU want to know. When you ask
about HER, you are IMMEDIATELY CAPITULATING, and not making her EARN your attention. This can WORK on CERTAIN chicks of
course. But it is NOT a good PICKUP STRATEGY for a pickup ARTIST. Again, asking her about anything that detracts from YOUR
REALITY is BAD. So STICK to the STRUCTURE of the openers that I discussed in the how to sarge for real post. EXAMINE the
STRUCTURE of those openers, and make up NEW ONES whenever youre bored with the ones suggested.
PRODDING HER TO SHIT TEST YOU - **INDUCING** HER SHIT TESTING MECHANISM: The BEST and most RELIABLE way
to get laid that I personally know of is to INDUCE the chick to shit test you. This is the NEXT STEP of the PU, after the opener, when
PUing girls with certain personality types (basically, most hotties.. the exception are girls who are very down to earth and secure,
dont believe in stupid shit like ESP, etc etc.. those girls are the HARDEST to PU, because they KNOW the deal and dont succumb to
emotions to easily.. for them, the best strategy is to use this SAME STUFF, but at the same time to be very ATTUNED to her and
MODERATE) OK, this may sound strange, but there is no bigger KISS OF DEATH in the PU than when the chick is being NICE to you.
For example, if you see a chick who you knew in high school, the BEST way to pick her up is to NOT BRING UP that you already
know her. BETTER, is to just PU her like NORMAL. Worse case scenario, YOU are left in the power position, since she remembered
YOU. But if you bring it up, then she instantly OPENS up to you, and is therefore DISENGAGED sexually. This is not necessarily a
RULE, but a sweeping generalization that I have seen in field many times (chick likes me, convo is sexually charged, I bring up that
I know her, convo shifts to how have you been and chemistry falls flat). I was hanging out with Mysterys ex-girlfriend the other
night. This 511 megabomb. She was laughing at how guys will chat her for a few hours, THINKING that theyre getting somewhere,
when really shes just in the mood to CHAT. The problem they havent ENGAGED her LIMBIC BRAIN, and she isnt SHIT TESTING, to
see if they are WORTHY. For me, the answer is to go PUSH PULL, ASAP.
That means QUALIFYING, TEASING, and JOKING about being together, and broken up, again and again. Learn to be the MASTER of
PUSH-PULL. I am a master of it now, and I FULLY CREDIT the innovative C&F masters SWINGCAT, KOOPER, BADBOY, ZAN, STYLE,
DAVID D, and many others I picked up great lines and attitudes from, for helping me to get where I am with it. Heres an EXAMPLE
of a STRUCTURE, which should of course have OTHER STUFF worked into it (IOW, dont follow this to the letter, but use it as a
skeleton): Roll up on her, make funny faces, smile and hit her, and wrap your arm around her (kino-opener, described many times
in operation mayhem posts).. you are CUTE.. I think that youll make a NICE new GIRLFRIEND.. hahah, hey WAIT.. I need a girl who
can cook.. you cant?? OK, were broken up.. actually wait, you DO smell good.. very alluring.. actually WAIT!! do you eat SOAP???
oh man, we are BROKEN UP.. no no, definitely broken up.. you are BAD.. hahaha, for sure!!.. are you adventurous?? cause I cant
even hang with you unless youre adventurous.. mmm,. that does sound adventurous.. alright we can hang, but I cant take you to
my COOL places because you might just be PG-13 adventurous, not R-rated adventurous.. really, you did X-ACTIVITY?? hmm.. OK
maybe youre cool.. oh man, imagine if we ran away and did X-ADVENTURE (make up a 1-2 minute Bonnie & Clyde type adventure)
together.. and we could STEAL this X-STUFF (whatever is in front of you) and SELL IT.. No?? OK Im taking THIS then! (grab HER
shit, and shell WRESTLE you for it).. haha, OK fine, I wont do that.. I have a better plan.. I need a RICH girl.. are YOU?? no?? do
you have cable though?? SWEET, I can watch daytime SOAPS.. NICE!! OOOOOH MAN, we are getting MARRIED RIGHT NOW.. Will
you MARRY ME??? OMG I am SO SERIOUS, well get married RIGHT NOW.. (then have a person in the room pretend to MARRY the
two of you, and you exchange items together like rings or something, and kiss AT LEAST on the cheek)... OK AWESOME, now that
were married I can DIVORCE you and live in your house and watch DAYTIME TV.. What this does is ENGAGES her sexually, and
then DISENGAGES her sexually, over and over and over. Its not like if you say youre my new girlfriend.. lets make plans to go out..
lets make plans to be together.. lets be together, which would be PULL, PULL, PULL, PULL. She would RESIST that strategy 9 times
out of 10. By doing PUSH PULL, her limbic brain is ENGAGED, but then DISENGAGED before she has a chance to RESIST. The result
will be like a FISH, who you reel in, let fight and let out slack, reel in more, let fight more, reel in more, etc etc etc etc.. It gets her
HOT, but the PUSH disarms her RESISTANCE, before you proceed to PULL again. KEEP DOING THIS AS LONG AS NECESSARY until
she SHIT TESTS you. Look up the dissecting shit test passing measures post, to INTERNALIZE the STRUCTURE of passing a shit test
in DETAIL. The short of it is:
1) AGREE to the shit test
2) CREATIVELY MISINTERPRET the shit test as her saying she WANTS YOU
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HER: youre a player
YOU: yeah... so what is it about players that turns you on so much
**OR**
1) AGREE to the shit test
2) Use CALLBACK humour to misinterpret your actions in a funny way
HER: do you plan this stuff?
YOU: yeah.. I even plan to go out and meet little POWERPUFF girls (or whatever NEG you used earlier.. CALLBACK the neg you used
earlier)
The POINT of this, is that you KEEP JOKING that you are together apart together apart, until you ENGAGE her LIMBIC BRAIN, which
she will REACT by SHIT TESTING YOU. Since you INTERNALIZE how to PASS the shit tests techniques, and you pass with PERFECT
SCORE, she will become aroused very quickly, and attempt to GET RAPPORT with you. You will know that she is at her BOILING
point when she gives you a SIGN. A SIGN is like when she says whats your name?, or what do you do?, or where do you come
from? She is LEANING IN, and showing strong interest Wide eyes, open body language, facing you, etc etc etc.. So that is my
personal favourite way to PROJECT VALUE being COCKY PLAYFUL. However, this is not the ONLY WAY to project value.
A second way would to be learn STRONG SS/Patterning skills, and lead her imagination to all sorts of wild and arousing places.
Eliciting past sexual excitement and pushing her through those states. She anchours those feelings to YOU. Personally I dont think
its overly effective for the younger party girls that I deal with, but it IS a feasible plan. Apparently a good way with Asian girls
A third way is to learn magic/mentalism/gimmicks/routines/stories, that INTRIGUE and FASCINATE the chick. Basically, this is using
PERSONALITY CONVEYANCE. You could also just have a great sense of humour, and be good at conveying that in front of chicks.
A fourth way is to use the above stuff (or ANYTHING) to get SOCIAL PROOF, and impress her with the fact that you are the CENTRE
OF ATTENTION, and that you are UNIMPRESSED with her. You DEMONSTRATE that with NEUTRAL comments that youd make to
ANYONE, and that show your disregard your targets beauty, like NEGS. Or by just ENJOYING yourself at the venue, for everyone
else to see that youre arent trying too hard. That makes you a CHALLENGE, and you therefore present value THAT WAY.
A fifth way is just to have AMAZING RAPPORT. SOME guys can PU using JUST rapport building skills, although I have yet to MEET
any that can do it CONSISTENTLY Im still sure that there is somewhere out there (Juggler???). Point is though, that just being both
an
obviously SEXUAL MAN, and being able to get the girl to VALUE the rapport/friendship, can be enough to get chicks to sleep with
you, if you do it in a way where she KNOWS that sex is part of the package to continuing her involvement with you. This can be
done MRSEX4UNYC method, by getting under her hood, and finding out how her engine works, etc etc..
A sixth way is to convey ULTIMATE SEXUALITY, through Gunwitch style SEXUAL STATE PROJECTION. Read and INTERNALIZE the
GUNWITCH METHOD, and you can sometimes just roll up on chicks with NEUTRAL TALK, and through just seeming so damned
SEXUAL, she will find you indescribably appealing.. She wont know WHY, but for some reason you just really turn her on. She feels
this unexplainable explosive chemistry.
A seventh way is to PEACOCK, which conveys that you are MYSTERIOUS, and OUTRAGEOUS. You are DIFFERENT. Peacocking is the
ULTIMATLY FAST way to attract women of the HIGHEST CALIBRE, because you are INSTANTLY the guy that shes been waiting for.
You just need the ATTITUDE to back it up. YOU have to wear the CLOTHES. The CLOTHES cant wear YOU. On some days when I
peacock, I have the 9.5 chicks FLOCKING me wherever I go, because they are SICK of GENERIC guys, and think that you might be
JUST THE GUY shes waited for. To peacock, you cant just dress REALLY COOL. You have to dress OUT- FUCKING-RAGEOUS. You
have to have shit people have never even SEEN in their ENTIRE LIVES. The stuff you are wearing has to look RIDICULOUSLY
OUTRAGEOUS, but your attitude MAKES it cool. If youre peacocked properly, there should be people pulling you over for PHOTOS,
and the FIRST thing that everyone should say to you is that is SOOO cool.. You know how strippers hear the SAME THING from
EVERYONE??? What do your parents think etc etc.. You know how a writer always hears x was so amazing etc etc??? This is because
they give a MIND BENDING IMPRESSION, so peoples STATES are instantly ALTERED in their presence. If you met your HERO right
now, could you act NORMAL around him/her?? Probably not. Youd say something generic, like I loved your last work, because you
couldnt think of anything better to say, out of mental paralysis. That is the effect that PEACOCKING is intended to have. It ELICITS
EMOTIONAL STATES from your targets, INSTANTLY. Look at celebs. Their clothes are like CARTOON CHARACTERS. You cant even
FIND these clothes. They are CUSTOM. The are FANTASY FIGURES, and when they are in public, the entire room SHIFTS attention
to THEM. Turn YOURSELF into one of these figures, through peacocking, and you present VALUE to the chick. My FAVOURITE part
about peacocking is that chicks will come up to you and say that outfit is soooo awesome, to which you can respond with hmm..
thanks... sooo, you ready to get out of here? (credit Craig) and get her LAUGHING.. then you say your clothes are kind generic..
how do I know that I can hang with you?? what do you have going for you?? Are you adventurous?? and start SWINGCAT-style
qualifying, and run the push-pull routine that I posted above..
An EIGHTH way is to be DIRECT. I DISAGREE with this method and do NOT use it 99% of the time. I dont use it myself that much,
but it DOES work sometimes HOWEVER, for OLDER WOMEN being direct is VERY value-conveying, because it shows that you are
ALPHA and go for what you WANT. They are finally mature enough to appreciate you being GENUINE. Again, I DISLIKE this method,
but it WORKS on CERTAIN chicks. I just wanted to tell you, that you have an incredible energy, is the kind of crap that is useful
here. You look like someone Id like to meet (credit TokyoPUA), is a good one for being direct. I DO use DIRECT approaches in cases
of STRONG APPROACH INVITATION, and the TPUA line is a good one for that situation. Typically, older chicks (like late 20s and up)
will APPRECIATE a man who isnt playing games and is GENUINE in his intentions. Since he is being DIRECT, it is IMPLICIT that he
has had past success, and it social proofs him implicitly. Thus conveying value. STILL, this puts her in the DRIVERS seat in some
ways, so you have to FRAME IT PROPERLY. Do it in a way that STILL shows that you are NOT going to tolerate ANY bullshit, and
although you find her SEXUAL, she still needs to convey value HERSELF.
ALL OF THESE THINGS PROJECT VALUE. Personally, I think a sarge is going BEST when Im getting SHIT TESTED. BUT, its not
NECESSARY all the time. You may have had APPROACH INVITATION without even NOTICING IT, and consequently she wont shit
test. Anyway, the POINT here is that rather than focusing on just getting a smooth # close, focus on PROJECTING VALUE onto

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yourself. The best way that I know is to PROD HER TO SHIT TEST YOU using INSTANT comments about the two of you being
together and breaking up, because when she starts shit testing you in response to this, and you pass shit tests, you really project a
LOT of sexual value in a short period of time. She thinks WHO-IS-THIS-GUY???? And then she tries to GET RAPPORT with you. The
KEY is to ATTRACT her to WANT to get rapport with you. NOT this bullshit like TRYING to get rapport RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. This
is BULLSHIT, and anyone who says that they lay HOT chicks like this consistently is either an anomaly (like has something unusual
going for them), good looking, or exaggerating. The closest thing to an exception would be Gunwitch method, but even guys using
Gunwitch method are STILL doing something to project value FIRST, through their sexual state projection. Dont GIVE IT AWAY too
fast. Read my posts on changing gears as a MUST READ for this, because it took me a while to figure it out. Dont switch into rapport
the second she tries to get it. But show SIGNS that you are switching gears, and let her EARN your eventual gear switch.

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KEY DISTINCTION INTRIGUE VS ATTRACTION

There are different ways to run sets.
The classic MM way is to use intrigue based routines, like talking about relationships and the unknown, to captivate a set. By doing
so, you can use active ignorance on the sets.
Notice that the Mystery archive contains not so much C&F-teases, but rather, they contain SELF ESTEEM NEGS.
A C&F NEG is like Youre like my little sister or Youre like a little powerpuff girl or hands off the merchandise or shes a sexual
predator or telling her to support you or to get lost.
OTOH, a SELF ESTEEM NEG is like Thats a nice dress. Thats really popular these days or A model? What, a hand model? or
You have something on your face/teeth/hair.. Here or Your nose wiggles when you talk or blowing your nose in front of her (like
you dont care enough to even hide it from her).
Notice though, and this is very important, that the first type of C&F neg is actually YOU giving her an indicator of your interest in
her. As guys, wed think the opposite, because calling a hottie a powerpuff girl is showing her that were willing to walk away from
her, and not seek her approval. Right?
Nope. These things are actually sexual subcommunication. Like David DeAngelo says, they are the secret sub language of
attraction that girls respond to.
If a girl walks up to you and says that your shirt sucks, this is an IOI. We know this. Why? Because if a girl isnt attracted to you,
she wont even acknowledge you, let alone tease you. Notice that if a girl does this, you can just tease her back open, run game,
and seduce.
The same goes for girls. They know that when you use this stuff, youre just using a classic European style game on them.
The classic european style of natural game is similar to what I use (my version is just the European version on steroids, combined
with other tactics thrown in). Its flirting. Where youre saying get lost, but really subcommunicating Im alpha, look at me
sexually, Im interested). Well, this is sort of a sweeping generalization. You guys get the point, anyway.
So the distinction here is:
Classic European C&F natural style game:

you can approach the target, so long as you hold the sets attention so they dont LJGD (lets just go dance) you.
if you have the social value (you are dressed cool for the scene, and you seem like a cool enough guy for her to ALLOW you to
engage her in this sort of flirting, so shes willing to take the time to verbally spart/flirt with you), then you can run this sort of
game
rather than befriending, you blow out and out-alpha AMOG the people around you, to up your status
this is a great way to fools mate/ONS a chick, and it can also lead to more, but it generates attraction so quickly that you can
have difficulty with
buyers remorse, and you also have a harder time shifting to
rapport/comfort/connection

Classic MM style game:

you avoid the target, and hold the targets peergroup with total intrigue
they give you social proof because what youre doing is intriguing, and this makes the target observe that you are socially
proofed (you can also merge sets and get social proof prior to opening the desired set)

you use self-esteem negs to lower the targets self-esteem, and crave your attention to re-validate herself

you can phase shift into rapport more easily, because the interaction wasnt
out of control giggly party mode

you befriend the people around you, so they push the girl on you
you dont get as many ONS/fools mate, although you still get it - the two are just more conducive to their respective outcomes,
but that DOES NOT mean that you wont get both GFs and ONS with BOTH methods, so lets please not see retarded posts
down the line from KJs who think that pickup is this black and white, because its not! :)

Now I know that Mystery and Style use a more classic MM style, where as I use a
more European natural game style. In fact, because we all hang out, we have
started incorporating massive amounts of eachothers styles into our games, and
made them stronger.
I personally find that the European style game is harder to execute on the hardest targets, because if theyre hard 10s (models,
strippers, and such), if you walk up and start going C&F, theyll just ignore you. They dont give a fuck. Why? Because even if
youre ten times cooler than the average guys, guess what? There are STILL a lot of very good looking, rich, socially proofed guys,
who ALSO have your C&F type stuff down (they do it naturally), who will outgame you.
At the same time, how OFTEN do you see a hard HB10? RARE. So I dont focus on gaming them, although I CAN and know how.
Still, its nice to know how to do it.
Take when I was in Whistler BC, skiing at BlackComb with Papa and Twentysix and Alphamale. This was a month ago. I try to go
C&F on this smoking hot HB10 waitress. Im in my generic ski gear. She giggles a bit, but really I dont want to mentally
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Then I sit down, and I think Shes just not a giggly girl maybe. haa, WRONG! I just couldnt accept that Mr. Coolguy PUA that I
am, wasnt coming across good enough for her. The proof? Ten minutes later, the lead singer of the most popular Canadian rap
group (Swollen Members, a cool group that will be mainstream in the U.S. probably next year) walks in. He ignores her. Haa! The
dude doesnt give a fuck. I personally know of at least 3 girls who have slept with this guy, that Ive met while Im out. This guy
gets so much ass that he could care less about yet another HB10 trying to get with him. He just wants his beer and to chill with his
friends after a long day of skiing.
btw, I got a picture with him, and with Sum 41, and with The Black Eyed Peas recently. I use these in my photo routine now. I
looked like a lame fan for asking for pics, but who cares - I wanted to build my photo routine.
Anyway, this dude has the social value to play up the active disinterest, and get her chasing him. MAN, this girl was chasing him.
Point is, if I would have just gone in there, and taken over all her friends and ignored her, I probably could have done the same
(until the rap star rolled in I guess though!). But I went European style game, and I got her to giggle a bit and then lost her.
This is what Mystery means when he says A 10 must choose YOU. You cannot choose a 10. In truth, alot of 10s are soft 10s,
and you can game them straight up. But others, you need to play up the active disinterest, and takeover her social group and
ignore her and lower her self esteem.
KEY POINTS IN CONCLUSION:
Most guys on this site have piles of C&F material, but lack in intrigue based material. Having the ability to hold a set WITHOUT
relying on getting them all giggly with shocking C&F type stuff is something that most guys on here are lacking, and need to
cultivate.
I have alot of routines where I talk about fascinating studies that were done, or interesting things that Ive seen that relate to the
girls. I have cool bar bets and shit like that, or cool pictures - all of which hold their attention. These things dont have the girls
freaking out giggling, which doesnt make for as flashy of a pickup.
BUT, it does make for a more solid game.
Most importantly, it gets the girl chasing you.
Shes thinking This guy is really cool, and hes a bit C&F also so hes alpha, but mostly hes really cool and hes not interested in me
and my self esteem is down because of the embaressing things he noticed.
As opposed to a straight up European style game, where you just plow the shit out of her buying temperature with piles of C&F, and
going for the juggular in terms of ONS, and if she doesnt bite that same night, you have little or no connection with her and will
probably wind up with a flake for the day 2.
At the same time, most of my game is a European based game, and I turn on the other stuff at different times. I use BOTH, and
use them based on the type of girl and the condition.
Ive seen Mystery try to play solid game on girls that I know he could have ONSed. At the same time, Ill often turn great girls that
could have been my girlfriends into party chicks that go mental, and then I lose them down the line.
We all have our own sticking points to overcome, and everyone playing the game (in real life, not the internet) has real sticking
points and places that they could improve. Anyone who says that they dont have sticking points is probably not really in the field.
Id encourage everyone to post about their sticking points (I saw Pheremone doing that recently, and I think people should follow
that example), and focusing on filling in the gaps in their game.
For guys who lack intrigue based material, Id encourage you guys to seek it out, test it, and PLEASE post about it so I can steal it
for my own sets! :)

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SETS VIA ENERGY/MATERIAL VS STRENGTH OF FRAME

It is recommended that new guys learn material and routines because they are usually unable to hold conversations with women,
and by creating a consistent 40 minute set they will get experience interacting with women on cold approaches.
Without creating a set, it is unlikely that majority of newer guys will have much success, because their lack of experience will be
very apparent to the girls. They will convey many social cues that will indicate this to the girls. Even for myself, I can tell a guys
success levels within 2-3 minutes of meeting him, and the girls are even more intuitive on this topic.
So what winds up happening, is that inexperienced guys wind up going up to girls, and saying Hi, whats your name? Where are
you from? Umm, so yeah, what are you up to? This, combined with hundreds of little vocal inflections/pacings/projections and
bodylanguage cues, will usually add up to the girl instinctually blowing the poor newbie very quickly. Thats because the newbie has
no value either in subcommunicative expression, or in what hes saying being interesting.
By using routines and high energy levels, guys learn to hold sets, and will gain experience under their belts. Because the material is
field tested as being high octane, they will hold sets in spite of their poor inner game and its external bodylanguage and vocal
manifestations.
Within a few weeks, they will see spuratic success (albeit mental masterbation, but this is fine so long as internally they feel good
about it) and on a subconscious level their inner game will improve and this will improve things on an external level.
At this point, though they may or may not realize it, they no longer require routines or material to hold sets. Moreover, they were
likely using as a crutch a very high energy level in sets in order to hold their attention. This is a common learning of newbies, that a
high energy and an intense enthuasm level in sets will hold the girls attention.
With time, their tonality will even out and become smoother. Their projection will increase and their vocal inflections will hit spikes
at the right times and theyll come across better. Their bodylanguage will naturally take up more space, and their facial expressions
will react differently to shit tests and to escalations than they did previously.
On the non-verbal level, their social intelligence will increase, and they will become sharper with their humour, and more savvy as to
what constitutes something that adds energy to the interaction versus something that is a manifestation of their insecurity or
neediness (which many people dont realize is something that they subcommunicate with so much of what they say - 95%+ of
people screw this up at some point during the interaction).
And as that all gets better, they will be thrown into situations where the interaction escalates, and without experience most guys will
botch this sort of scenario. Game is often a sort of hyper attention. A situation where the energy level in the interaction heats up.
Chemistry, passion, etc.. The sorts of things that lead to the desired end goal. For newer guys, the energy of the situation will often
be a lot to handle, without the experience. They will field it improperly, because they will either fail to maintain eye contact (this
happens surprisingly often during late phases and even now with top level girls I sometimes feel the social pressure getting to me),
or they will stutter and be unable to slow down the tempo and smoothly gear everything down to properly phase shift. They will fall
backwards in the schedule, and their internal incongruencies will come to the surface. Many will eject and rationalize that they didnt
want to anyway, to retain their satisfaction that they got further than they previously did. The window to phase shift and go sexual
has closed, and will never be opened again.
But with time this will change also. Everything will become congruent, and the snowball of social success both with women and in
general will begin to increase and will finally gel into something worthwhile.
This all comes from experience, and theres nothing that I know of that will achieve this level of transformation other than
experience. Intense experience, to be exact. That means enough repetition that the increase is inevitable.
Having made this kind of transformation, guys will not need to use a high energy level or even material to hold a set. It will come
naturally, because they will subcommunicate higher social value.
People possess a natural tendency to gravitate towards those with high social status. We feel the energy of their presence. On a
subconscious level, we know that they exert a large degree of social control, and that they have influence over our existence
whether we like it or not. When in the room with even a B-Class celebrity, most people will feel a sort of nervousness, whether they
like it or not. They will be likely to socialize with them regardless of how interesting they are, because theyre just curious to see
how they might benefit.
These kinds of guys dont need much to hold attention. But even without this status, the average guy can learn to subcommunicate
the same things. BE the guy who holds attention.
The same vibe will be projected by guys with a wealth of field experience. Thats the reason why, as counter intuitive as it seems, its
actually possible for a guy to improve in this area of his life. In time, they will learn to project that same kind of high social status
subcommunication, and they will not need formalized material in order to hold sets. They can also chill out their game, and slow it
down. Their game can become very smooth, and the sets will go just as well as when they were over the top with energy and
material.
At this point, its a good idea to shift focus seeing what kind of results you can get without any formal material. This will change selfperception, because it causes the realization that THIS IS ME, NOT MY MATERIAL, THAT INTERESTS PEOPLE.
Having accomplished that and having become congruent with that crucial internal shift, bringing back in material is extremely
useful. I have read many posts on this board claiming that material should be dropped once the newbie has gained experience, and
I agree only to the extent that it should be dropped temporarily.
For example, I can hold a set no matter what. There is no way I can be blown out of set. It is just impossible at this point. I can
linger around a set like a weirdo, and still open. I can open fairly often in front of huge 10 guy cockfarms who are making the set
uncomfortable on dark streets after bar hours. I can open moving targets who have places to be. I can open with something stupid
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do it because I fucking said so. Because of my field experience, I communicated it so congruently that their thought process
immediately switched to How do I do what he said right now, instead of what it would switch to for most guys which would be
Who the fuck is this telling me what to do? Do I even want to listen? I have to go.
That said, I also know that high octane material is extremely useful in many areas. I know that an opinion opener is an easier way
to open than walking up and saying hi, because I know that it will engage everyone and provide a tested topic of conversation that
the girls will have something to say about. I know that a tight story will blow open the group because its very engaging, and it will
make me seem very clever and sharp witted. I know that a good extraction routine is useful because it will allow a girl who is
already attracted to excuse her actions and go with me, so that she doesnt have to feel badly in front of her friends.
I know that while not totally necessary or anything like that, that these are the paths of least resistance. These vehicles make my
life easier, and keep my results very consistent.
I also know that I can intricately lace personality conveying content into my material, which on many logical levels will convince the
girl to see me again once I have left and her state has died down (hence I dont get much phone flaking, while less competent guys
will claim Phone #s are bullshit, which always makes me laugh and scratch my head as I think back to all the great things that
have happened to me in the past year as a result of the phone - if you catch my drift).
So that said, if I could go back in time a year and give myself advice on where to improve to get where I am now, here are a few
things Id say.
Focus on learning to hold sets without a high energy level. Smoothen out the delivery, and tonality. Learn to subcommunicate
higher value with the most precise, fucking smooth delivery possible. Its good to be more INTERESTING than entertaining. Learn to
be flirty and sexual, and then to pull back and get them qualifying themselves to you. Learn to be both congruently indifferent, and
yet be able to shift to being forward at the same time.
Learn to master vocal projection and how it corresponds to social status. Learn to talk in a way that commands attention instantly.
Always be able to convey higher social status by strength of frame. When you talk, know that everyone will stop to listen to you.
Smoothen out the bodylanguage and ease in and out of sets smoothly.
Test running with pure AFC talk, to test to see if your bodylanguage and tonality has reached a point where it can hold a set without
any high octane material.
Learn to be as alpha and commanding in set as possible. There is NO WAY a set cannot open. All sets will open, and almost all sets
will venue change with you. They have no choice, because your frame is just stronger. Tolerate no bullshit in set, tell them exactly
what to do.
Get girls qualifying themselves to you. Learn - and this is so fucking important - to get girls to the point where THEY are the ones
struggling and thinking frantically about how to keep you engaged and keep you there. Learn to cross that social hook point, and
learn when to shut up.
Learn to phase shift at the snap of a finger. Learn a phase shift so strong that girls will be sucked into it, because your frame is
stronger and if you slow down and smoothen out, they will have to also because thats just the way it is. Learn to excute it at the
right time and when its most effective.
**And in terms of social intelligence, learn to recognize who is controlling the frame of the conversation, and to be the one
controlling it at all times. I will post more on this. It is a very important topic and needs more attention. That is one of the main
keys to why an average looking guy gets laid by hotties. It is so fucking subtle, but it is so important. Controlling the frame. Always
preventing it from being taken from you. Its so easy, yet so subtle that very very few guys I know understand it properly.
Much of this stuff is what avoids phone flaking. Its strength of frame. Pure social control and power.
Its very late at night right now, as Mystery has had a bunch of girls running around the house all night keeping me awake. I want to
write more on this, but will post this as is for now and update more in the future.
I want to leave one last thought:
For guys learning this game, stop and think more about how youre coming across. Ask yourself, Although what Im doing may be
helping to hold the attention of the set, is it blowing me out by conveying a lower social value because Im too high energy and not
smooth and chilled back enough? Are these people a little uncomfortable and insecure and qualifying themselves around me, or are
they just along for the ride that Im giving them with my material.

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ORIENTING YOUR GAME TO YOUR DESIRED RESULTS

yeah this is always a concern of being too entertaining.. it will get you party chicks, but it is not solid game.
My day game is based strongly around gunwitch method and rapport tactics, with maybe a few C&F lines sprinkled in..
nightgame is different because I have not mastered it yet (although Ive pulled more than most, I still have alot of work to do on
it).. generally, when PUing younger girls (19-23), you cant run GWM or rapport tactics right out of the gate, because youll be
quickly CBed and generally not get the attention of the party-chicks short attention span.
you may notice that I usually type up some kind of C&F sequence that I did, line-by-line, the dialogue and everything, followed by
then I did around 45 minutes of rapport..
The fourty five minute of rapport is what gets you the chick.. the C&F is what gets you the interest..
I just dont have the patience to type up massively lengthy dialoge onto the FR.. but I dont mind typing up the first few minutes of
the sarge, where the chick tests me to see if Im worthy or not.
you do have a point though, and most of my day-game is based on what you describe.. I generally dont like posting about stuff that
Ive got down pat, because its uninteresting to me, so I post about what NEW stuff Im up to lately..
for me, going up to lone chicks, going sexual, and having instant date is so over-done, that Im not really interested in posting about
it anymore.. but YES, it is my bread and butter of PU.
I also have stuff written on rapport tactics, which Ill post later when I have time.
oh yeah, another thing with this is that its good to tayler your style after guys who have similar backgrounds..
Im a college-frat-guy, so I get away with ANYTHING.. the mosre obnoxious and over the top I am, the better the results that I get..
I have PUed older chicks, and for me, I sometimes wonder why guys trying to PU older chicks (early/mid thirties) even read this
site.. Ive just walked up to older chicks, gone sexual, and suggested isolation back to their houses.. Ive done this maybe 5 times,
and Ive never had it go bad.. (I still wont fuck them though).. Very little game is necessary, because theyve had enough bullshit in
their lives, and they just want a guy who doesnt fuck around and conveys sexuality and confidence.
so alot of the shit that I post is geared towards girls who are:

19 to 23
HB8.5+
bitchy and obnoxious
test guys constantly
dressed up (peacocked) to appear unapproachable
drama queens

When confronted with a larger-than-life type of guy who doesnt play into their frame, they crumble very fast... basically, they test
and test and test, and then just crack.. boom, theyre yours (if all goes as planned, which it doesnt always)

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THE PROCESS NO ONE IS ABOVE IT

I just finished reading an archive of Styles old posts, which I downloaded before he removed it (please do not email me asking for
it)
Looking at this guys process, and that of David Ds and many other guys, I am reminded that most guys on this chatboard DO
believe that they are ABOVE the PUA transition process. Thats just my impression, which I cant know having not met everyone.
The reason I get that impression, which may be totally wrong, is that I dont see guys posting their sticking points or even posting
things that indicate what SPECIFIC things theyre working on IMPLEMENTING into their game.
IMO, a good PUA has the that goes in type mentality. Like they can read something, and immediately figure where it could
possibly fit into their game. Their game is like a D&D character, or a racecar in Grand Turismo. It has all these elements youve
added, and you can modify it and restructure it and rebuild it.
Picking up and having sex with RANDOM girls from COLD APPROACHES is a fucking HARD skillset to learn. Theres so much to it.
Learning it is like playing a videogame without a save feature. I remember playing Aliens vs Predator, and it had no save
feature. Id get closer and closer to the end of the fifth level, but would fall short. Eventually, I learned where EVERY possible alien
could jump out, and even how to beat the predators at the end of the level. Once I did it once though, I could do it over and over,
because I was familiar with everything that could come up in the level.
Most guys on ASF dont realize how HARD it is to lay high calibre girls from a cold approachs on a consistent basis. Theres so much
to deal with -> cockblocks, time constraints, boyfriends, working in and attracting but SOMEHOW still not setting off her anti-slut
defense, dealing with flaking, dealing with her coming out of state, dealing with getting her home.
Guys will post sex is natural, theres 7 billion people on this earth... BZZZZZZT!! FALLACY! How many of those lays come from
cold approaches? Most come from social circle. Give me ANY, and I mean ANY chick in a social circle, and Ill run an extremely high
chance of sleeping with her within 3 meets, and probably the FIRST. Especially if I had an accomplishment intro from the group.
Like if I failed it would actually be a surprise to me (and it has been when I have failed, of course). So that stuff is easy. Big deal.
Doing it from cold approach is totally different.
Anyway, thats just my opinion. And off the top of my head, here are a few elements that guys could work on to develop a game
where they can just see a random girl, and be so outstanding that it still goes. Like not just a good enjoyable set, but something
that LEADS somewhere.
PROCESS:
Going out 4 days a week, minimum, for at least 2 hours a night, preferably 3 or 4. You are more comfortable in a club talking
to strangers, than you are in everyday life.

Internalizing a new peice of material every night, and ranging it (figuring out at what buying temperature it is most effective,
and figuring out the sequencing)

Learning a tight REPEATABLE 20 minute sequence that can work EVERY TIME, from opener to #close

Doing vocal change work, to learn to project your voice properly and to weild a range in tonality that makes everything sound $
$$ (this is an INSTANTLY attractive quality to girls, both with fluctuation, resonation in the frontage areas and in the chest depending on whether youre running a set or phase shifting)

Learning to #close and practising phone game every day -> calling at least one chick a day, even a flake, and running a good
half hour of phone game on her

Learning to venue change every girl that you approach, until you can convince 90%+ of girls to at least lock arms with you
french promenade style, and move somewhere else in the club with you, or go to another store in the mall, etc..
Basically practising venue changing every girl you game, until you know the

buying signs that shell agree to it

Learning to phase shift, by attempting to tongue down every single girl that you approach, until you have all of the slow down
sexual projection stuff down tight, and possibly a routine such as the Evolution Phase shift or Im trying so hard not to kiss you
right now or Would you like to kiss me or something like that
Learning to get permission to isolate your desired girl from their friends, until you can consistently isolate

-***Writing down EVERY single funny thing that you ever said in a pickup, so
that you can attempt to re-use it later, until you have a wealth of humour that
goes so deep that you can keep a girl laughing for a good 10 hours if
necessary, and having enough stories about your life that WORK (ie: ALL the
sequencing is worked out), and games and routines, to last 10 hours

Testing every conversational split, until you find one that works for you.
Does it work best at 80% you talking and 20% her, or 50/50, or what?
Determining what types of girls will be more receptive to which type.

Ranging all kino tricks, until you learn to run kino like a pro.
Having a game plan for every self esteem level of girl, and personality profile, so that you can calibrate instantly
Reading Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, and identifying what seducer persona you could best adopt, and calibrating your
material to be congruent with that image. Working out things that youll say and do that make you STAND OUT.
Alternating BETWEEN pickup styles. Like after developing a perfect 20 minute set, THROW IT OUT and go totally IMPROV.
Then once youre as good as you can get with that, go back to your perfect 20 minute set, and watch how much tighter its
evolved. Then drop it a few months later. And then go back again a few months later.

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Creating an IMAGE. Are you an insurance salesman? FUCK NO. What bullshit image will you create? LIE. Ignore the guys
who say not to, all the best PUAs are doing it -> peer pressure, peer pressure.... dont you want to be a cool PUA??? Have all
the logistics worked out, and a GOOD story. Be something EXCITING. If you dont want to lie, come up with some lesser
aspect of your life to focus on, thats EXCITING. I remember being in NYC, and I blew off this girl I thought was a 7. Papa got
her #, and website. She was a MODEL. And when I saw her website, I was like OMG, this girl is fucking HOT, yo Imagine a
girl going home and looking at some crazy-ass website that makes you seem all status. Like she doesnt plan to see you again,
but she checks out your personal website and it has all this incredible shit on it. And she shows her friends and they talk about
it, until she WORKS HERSELF into liking you. Mysterys www.embracetheunknown.com site is like that. Part of Twentysix
making his REAL life congruent with his PICKUP life, is eventually creating a website that he can show girls. Same goes for me.
Thats why I named my website www.realsocialdynamics.com, and not www.layhotties.com - so that within a year I can CLEAN
IT UP, and then show it to girls with a social dynamics spin on it.

Getting clothes that make you look like youre a Secret Society Member.
Even if not peacocking, something that makes you look CONFIDENT and fucking COOL.

Going to the gym, getting tanned if you need it, getting the best haircut.
Why? To DE-ANCHOUR all of your AFC self-images. The new look changes your perspective, and fucks with all the people who treat
you AFC. The black dress shoes with jeans or slacks and button shirt or polo shirt suck shit. MAKE YOUR PICKUP LIFE CONGRUENT
WITH YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE. Dont even leave the house without looking $$$, UNLESS you have no problem doing approaches like
that, because you want to INTERNALIZE that youre a 10. You want your thought process go go go, not umm, hows my breath..
hows my clothes.. hows my hair?? ok lets go You want it on AUTO PILOT.
-***Looking at ALL your tendencies that are insecure and trying to drop them (fuck, Ive fixed 90% of mine, and STILL have this
SP)

Getting a social circle so that you can invite out your dates with friends, instead of having to do 1-on-1 dates, that younger girls
wont want to do, since most have never been on a date in their ENTIRE LIFE. They want to just go out and get drunk and fuck
guys in their social circle. BE their social circle, by merging yours with theirs.

Testing high energy vs low energy pickup styles. Learning HOW low you can go.
Learning HOW high you can go, without blowing yourself out.

Having a solution for EVERY contingency. If a chick said something and you fucked up, you go onto the chatboard and post
about it, or call your friends, or think of something, and make a mental note to try it next time. There should be NO
contingency that you arent prepared for. NO shot that she takes at you that you cant dodge.

Sitting at home writing new material to field test. Thinking about your life, and thinking of how to spin it into a routine that
easy to remember.

Writing down QUALITIES that you want to convey, and then thinking of WAYS to convey them. You want to convey that youre
ambitious? How will you do that? You want to convey that the party is with YOU? How will you do that?

For loner guys, getting FEMALE FRIENDS to HANG OUT with, so that they learn to interact with women. LIE, and say you have
a girlfriend you love. For lonely guys without a single female friend, if you cant get one Id even try saying that youre gay,
just so theyll hang with you (I mean if youve tried everything else). Do whatever it takes, because if you cant chill with a girl
then youre in deep trouble.

Finding a SOCIAL CIRCLE. That means that if you dont have a WIDE peer group, you could consider disqualifying yourself with
groups of girls you game on, just to get into their LIVES. Like just go and get into the social groups of girls, and then that way
once in a while a girl from the outer fringes of their group will go out with you, and youll have a CLEAR SHOT at her, with no
cockblocks and even accomplishment intros. Have you guys ever noticed the DUMB LOOKS that girls from the fringes of your
social circle get to meet you for the first time at a party or get together or something? Its like theyre sizing you up to decide if
theyll fuck you, before youve even opened your mouth. One of my girlfriends got pissed at me while I was on workshop tour
last summer, and decided to go slut-style. She slept with FOUR guys over the summer. This is a cute chick. Do you think it
was RANDOMS from cold approaches? Hell no. It was guys that she met through her socially popular friend. Every time.
Theyd meet her at the bar, hang out, get her drunk, and bring her home and fuck her - no resistance from the friends. If you
could pull off a few lays like that, your confidence will go up and youll get both momentum and end game experience.

Having a GOOD Day2 plan. A perfect repeatable day2.

Having a GOOD home endgame plan. Do you have homevideos you can show her?
Whats your reason to bring her home? What do you have lying around to impress her? What do you have at home to entertain her
if you need to stall? What alcohol or other stuff do you have at home to get her there if she needs to get fucked up in order to not
feel like a slut?

FIELD FIELD FIELD.. non-stop.

Thats all I can think of.

A long list. But it isnt MEANT to be done in a month. Its meant to take 2 years, roughly.
A REAL PUA should be worrying about this stuff non-stop.
For me to maintain tight level game is like being an olympic athlete. If I let this shit slide, Im toast. Look at Style (CPowles). In all
his posts, hes trying to work through a sticking point, every time hes on the board. Hes looking for a solution to EVERY
contingency.
NOBODY is above this process. If youre not doing this stuff, youre TREADING WATER.
Good fun to all bros! :)

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FRAME SETTING
Force girls into the frame that you need her to be in, in order to sarge her.
EVERYONE wants to be perceived as GENUINE. When girls put up FRONTS, call them out on their ungenuine bullshit behaviour to
put them in line.
Jeans store girl:
PUA: are we in talk mode, or sales mode?
HB: well, sorta both..
PUA: (stick out tongue) pffffffft!!
HB: no no no.. go on, go on, Im in talk mode..
PUA: ok (spin handshake to return her into state)
Shooter girl:
HB: would you like a shooter?
PUA: hmm... Im not sure that wed get along..
HB: what?? why?????
PUA: Were too similar..
HB: why???
PUA: I cant tell you.. We havent known eachother for long enough..
HB: hahahhaah..
PUA: get this (routine)
HB: hey cool.. so would you like something to drink?
PUA: (make funny face, continue with NEXT routine, utterly IGNORING her question.. use high-5s, hugs, I love you, or anything
OTHER than the answer to her question)
HB: hahaha, ok SERIOUSLY do you want a shooter..
PUA: are you in shooter girl mode or in genuine mode?
HB: well Im working..
PUA: pfffft! (backturn)
HB: no no no.. Im listening, keep going..
PUA: (run sarge as usual)
Waitress:
PUA: talking talking... run A-crowd routine, validate her as part of your a-crowd..
HB: cool.. so what do you want tonight sir?
PUA: hold up.. are we still chatting or are you in waitress mode?
HB: well I am waitressing..
PUA: uh oh.. Im not sure if youre still A-crowd with us anymore..
HB: no no no, Im just talking.. keep going..
PUA: high-5.. Ok, get this........
Girl with bitchshield at a night venue (club/bar/etc)
HB: x-ignorant comment
PUA: are you in bar mode or daytime mode?
HB: what???
PUA: I think that you treat people differently at the bar than during the daytime.. Im just trying to talk to you, and I dont think
that youre like this (hand gesture <-/ -> to motion to your conversation) during the day.. This isnt genuine.. I dont think its you..
(for serious bitch shields you can add: this is second class behaviour)
HB: yeah but all these lame desperate guys try to hit on me in lame ways..
PUA: my intuition about you is that you respect yourself enough to come only to a place where the people are worth talking to..
just chill.. be genuine.. I can totally see that you have x-quality going for you.. I think that youre probably x-compliment.. (spinhandshake to re-initiate her state, so it doesnt go too downhill state-wise).
Stripper (Mystery always does this shit):
HB: where are you from?
PUA: (NOT answering her question) these are mark questions, for customers.. this isnt you..
HB: what?
PUA: actually youd better run along and make some money or your boss might get mad..
HB: I have no boss.. I work when I want..
PUA: oh, so youre saying that you have the freewill to exert your own power of choice and talk to who you want.. I like that, thats
powerful.. (then IGNORE all mark questions NO MATTER WHAT, and pump her with routines.. NOTHING situational whatsoever,
because as a stripper she has heard it ALL NIGHT.. just intrigue her and neg neg neg)
Point here is, hot girls will use whatever situation that theyre in, in order to put up shields. Call them up on their bullshit behaviour
to convey to them its ungenuine, and that you only talk to genuine people. Then proceed to sarge as usual, once her situational
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AVOIDING FRAMES
**BE AWARE OF OTHER PEOPLES FRAMES, AND CONVEY VALUE BY AVOIDING THEM**

What you did here was the same thing as telling a beautiful woman Youre beautiful, asking a stripper do your parents know you
do this?, asking a celeb is it hard to give autographs all the time?, asking a girl with an amazing purse where did you get that?,
saying to a stripper should I be the one to lapdance you (right frame, but WAY too common), saying to a jeans stores girl hey,
arent you supposed to give me service?... ALL THESE LINES THAT WE THINK ARE CATCHY, BUT THAT THEYRE HEARD A BILLION
ZILLION TIMES! :)
These people hear these lines ALL DAY. Theyre SICK of hearing them.
When you make yourself the NEXT MAN of the day to say these things, you categorize yourself into the mass of people who bore
them with the same shit over and over. Youre no longer even a person, but an OBJECT.
When a shooter-girl in a club comes and asks you if you want a drink, and you say yes and then proceed to game her, it WILL NOT
WORK. You have to not even ANSWER. CUT HER OFF, and stick on YOUR material. Otherwise youre mentally compartmentalized
as an OBJECT before youve even started gaming.
I wear MachinaII peacocky boots. Guess how many times a day I hear nice boots. Probably 20-30 times everyday. Do I
remember these people? NOPE.
What if they came up to me and talked about something NEW and OUTSIDE MY REALITY. Would I remember them THEN?
For guys on this board for a year, what do they think when you come on and say Im new, help me. What value do you convey?
Will you be welcomed and replied to, or will you be now categorized as the next loser to ask the same shit, and replied to as an
object who will be forgotten?

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PROXIMITY IOIS
I swear I see this again and again.. Chicks are so mad-AFC that the ONLY thing most of them can do is just hover around you,
hoping that you talk to them..
A few minutes ago at the mall, I walk past this store where I teased the shit out of these two HB store attendants for like half an
hour (a long time ago)..
I walk into the CD store next door, and when I come out, I see the chick who is supposed to be working at the neighbouring store
sitting in the hall right where Ill be walking by, checking out some exhibit or some shit like that..
I know she knows me, but doesnt look at me at all, and is strangely looking at the ground like shes guilty..
Anyway, I reset my sleeping pattern last night (Im on 3 hours sleep) in preparation for next semester, and Im honestly too tired to
be sarging (read: doing) chicks right now.. And since I dont like #closing perfectly instant-datable chicks, I figured that Id go
investigate it at some later point in time since I know where she works, and Im in the mood to go to the pet store..
(bear in mind that Im also just coming BACK from another instant-date with a chick that I PUed in the library, so Im spent)
So Im upstairs, and her friend pops out of nowhere, and walks up to me saying why dont you go downstairs and visit HB9??
Im like sure.. and Ill tell her that you sent me, and that you told me that shes madly in love with me..
She smiles, nods, and suggests again that I go do it..
Well Im too tired for this shit right now, and Im about to go to bed.. But the point is that shes an easy close for tommorow or later
on, and this is just SO TYPICAL..
Watch for chicks strangely hovering around you, looking all guilty and shit.. Ask yourself, dont MOST chicks look at me and give
me flirtateous EC?? Why is this chick not doing that??
Since most chicks arent overly confident (where Im from anyway), you can pretty much guarantee that its a PROXIMITY IOI.
My friend Julianne, when she had this insane obsession over this guy in the library, used to go sit in the same area as him all the
time.. well I dont look at him TD!! Then hed totally know that I like him!!! If he looks at me, I just stare into my books so he wont
know!! Oh my God!! He must think Im such a loser!!
WTF??? Typical chick-shit.. Be on the lookout for this shit..
I remember this chick Id eyeballed in a cafeteria lineup. I went over to the vending machine, and she comes over. I say what are
you looking for?? and she DARTS.
Im thinking WTF is this shit???, but on my ride home I realized that some chicks get scared when you call them on their
proximity, because theyre scared that GOD FORBID youll realize that theyre interested in you.
I can remember my highschool GF (HB9) doing this also.. She made friends with my sister, and would come over to my house and
look all shy.. Never look at me whatsoever. Just hang around wherever I was.
So Im thikning that you have to handle this sort of thing delicately (to be honest, Im pretty shitty at WARM approaches, and better
when the chicks havent noticed me yet..)
You can pretty much guarantee that if a chick is doing the nervous-proximity-IOI routine, that when you approach, shell be shitting
her pants.. So just assume that if you sense proximity IOIs, and you approach - shell likely appear very uncomfortable. Glance in
the pupils, look at the way that her BODY is facing, NOT the direction of her face.. Cause her face may possibly be facing the floor
out of nervous-submission.
Anyway, Ill drop by this chicks work tommorow right around closing time (or tonight if I cant sleep), and deal with her then.

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COMMENTS ON AI
Ive been keeping my eyes peeled for AIs (the stuff discussed by Formhandle, and also briefly touched on myself in a later post of
mine, prior to a friend pointing me to Forms excellent post after reading it) lately.. It has been working extremely well for me.
On York Campus (where Twentysix and I were sarging and we had a blast), I spotted an AI from a HB9 (smoking hot euro-chick)
sitting on a bench.. I sat down, and said hi.. She is SO happy about this.. Shes like hahah.. umm... HI!! :).. I say whats up?..
She says WHATS UP WITH YOU??? (soooo happy I approached, almost giddy).. I reply (credit TokyoPUA) i dunno.. you looked
fun.. I thought youd be someone Id like to meet...
And from there it is ON.. Were in deep rapport and kino, when after 10 minutes her BOREFRIEND comes back to the bench, looking
RIGHT PISSED OFF. She looked mad-guilty, and I tried to win over the BF, which I sorta did, but she took off. Point is though, that
it was 100% DEFINETELY ON had the BF not been in the picture.. A very hot girl, and a NO GAME pickup, just because I spotted the
AI.
Then, last night, I was winging with Twentysix and No9, and spotted (IMO) the hottest chick in the club giving me an AI (this is the
result of my extreme peacocking, which the hottest chicks gravitate towards.. this happens daily now, and most people not willing to
field test peacocking will get their asses wupped by me in the club now, because peacocking is the best shit for clubs ever, IMO absolutely ridiculously UNSTOPPABLE)..
I notice that she kind of freezes and is aware of my presence whenever Im in that room of the club.. She keeps kind of backing
away from her dancing circle whenever I roll by but still not really looking at me. So Twentysix and I just sit there by the bar, while
I sit there staring at her dancing. She backs away from the circle, and I go in NEUTRAL GUNWITCH STYLE, since I ALREADY HAVE
HER IN A SEXUAL STATE AND DO NOT NEED ANY GAME.
So I ask her where the best clubs are (she rubbing her cheek on my face kind of to listen, and looks ECSTATIC CLOUD NINE STYLE
that I approached).. Her friend comes into cock block:
CB: hey..
ME: is it OK if Im getting to know your friend?
CB: well you have to get by me first..
ME: oh yeah? youre definetely a classy chaperone.. I think I like you.
CB: haha.. where do you work?
ME: Im the president of Microsoft..
CB: mmmmm.. sounds good.
NOW: this AFC comes in and asks my HB9 target to dance.. She is confused and is about to go with him cause shes kind of
submissive like that. The CB likes me, and sees me losing the girl to a guy who didnt make her not feel jealous, although shes also
upping kino on me thinking that SHE can get with me maybe (shes like an 8 or something, but late twenties which is a little old for
me)..
ME: LETS GO DANCE NOW. (I dont dance, but its a slow song and I NEED to get her away from this new guy)
HB: ummmm..... (looking frantically at both guys)
ME: (looking the AFC guy right in the eyes) LETS GO DANCE.
AFC: (comes over talks into my ear) Im soooo sorry.. I thought nothing was going on here.. Ill leave.
ME: cool.. no worries. (I drag off HB to dance floor)
HB: OK..
We dance, I chat her up Gunwitch style while I try not to trip all over myself. (bear in mind that the following is because I am not
into ONS from CLUBS, particularly when Im visiting other cities.. personal preference and Im not arguing about it even if it violates
ASF sanctity or something.. during a day-time pickup or meet, I can decide of shes worthy or not, but I dont do ONS at nightclubs
where things are too frantic for me to screen her for inner worth since I value myself enough to avoid getting mixed up with
retarded-dramaqueens even if only briefly)
HB: Im sooooo drunk right now.. I cant control myself.. My friends are leaving soon, and Ill be all alone.. Ill have nothing to do.
ME: ooooh.. too bad, I dont hang with drunk chicks at clubs.. I guess I cant ask you for your phone#.
HB:
ME:
HB:
ME:
HB:
ME:

no no no no no.. Im not drunk.. I just mean I was going to get drunk.. Im not drunk I only had one beer.
OK, I can get your # then.. lets go.
OK do you have a cell phone?
nope.. lets go to the bar and get a pen..
well I can take your number..
hahaheheh.. nope. lets go to the bar (grab her take her there)

I take her # and plan a meet so I dont have to phone her if I dont want to.
This morning, I call her anyway cause I have other stuff I can do so if she flakes in some ways would prefer if she does (so
NORMALLY, I just meet close, bring a book, and if she flakes I sarge other chicks at the venue.. but this time I preferred to know if
shed flake so I can get some tasks off my plate).. So I call just to confirm. I call her, and her phone kicks out. She calls me back
off her caller_ID LIGHTENING SPEED (I was waiting as a test, not on purpose but thought Id wait to see if shed call back the # I
was at since most cell phones have callerID)... We make a plan for 3:30 this afternoon, which Im about to get ready for right now.
Anyway, the AIs are GREAT for approaches. DO NOT USE THEM AS CRUTCHES FOR COLD APPROACHING, but they are nice, if you
can spot them. Ive used them several times this week, but those were the two hottest girls, and IMO most interesting PUs.
IME so far, the key to approaching when theres been AI, is to go in NEUTRAL. Not too much routines/humour/patterns, unless its
light and flirty, but RETAINS her sexual state.
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POINT A: She is COLD or UNDECIDED.
POINT B: She is in SEXUAL STATE.
When you have APPROACH INVITATION (AI), she is ALREADY somewhat in a sexual state. She is ALREADY at POINT B.
Routines/patterns/games/fascinatingconvo is DESIGNED to move her from POINT A to POINT B as fast as efficiently as possible.
When there is an AI, going back to POINT A will fuck your sarge up. Use GUNWITCH METHOD for AIs, with a little bit of flirty/fun
humour. Thats my opinion at THIS TIME, and may change.

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TONALITY
Any guy who thinks hes going to pickup a girl in a high-stimulus venue like a club with frollicking hotties everywhere, using slow
deep seductive tonality is out to lunch. Not going to happen. Deep tonality doesnt cut over the noise. Focus on projecting.
SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE!! :)
Get them horny in a place where you can actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Do NOT rely on them being horny in order to isolate.
THE EFFECTIVE PICKUP ARTIST DOES THE LEAST AMOUNT NECESSARY TO GET TO THE NEXT STAGE.
Just get them into you enough to get them alone. That doesnt mean to squeaky voiced dancing monkey. Convey that you are still
the shit. But dont RELY on them being ready to fuck you as a tactic to isolate. Just show them that YOU are where the party is at,
and then go Gunwitch-style (phase shifting) on them when you have them alone (either in isolation rapport building, or in full
extraction..)

EG1)
PUA: Lets go over here
HB: OMG, Im so wet and horny, I cant resist.. Screw my friends who can tell all of this because of my girl eye codes.. Im going
anyway!! Forget my reputation!! I dont care anymore, this guy just has me so wet, hes so sexy!! Who cares if Im branded a slut
for life!!
=
WRONG
EG2)
PUA: Lets go over here
HB: OMG, Im having so much fun, lets go..
Then, once alone:
HB: Oh wait, all of a sudden I just realized I want this guy because Im an emotionally driven creature, and my emotions change so
much because Im a chick that what I thought previously is irrelevant, especially since I thought nothing negative and the guy is
clearly socially proofed and has alot going for him.. well Im alone with him now, so I can go for it becaues theres no
consequences.. (this is caused by PHASE SHIFTING, since as Gunwitch writes, once you project it she will RECIPROCATE IT.. so do it
in the RIGHT PLACE)
=
RIGHT

When entering set, you have to have either EQUAL or SLIGHTLY HIGHER energy level, or you are a BUZZ KILL.
Girls in clubs dont give a fuck if youre slow and sexy. Yeah yeah, girls love sex blah blah.. In the real world, if you go in all James
Bond in a venue like that youre blown out. How do I know? Ive field tested it a zillion times. Christ, girls are ALREADY made
horny FOR YOU once theyre in the club anyway, just from the alcohol and grinding. So your focus should definetely not be that sort
of thing.
In clubs or nighttime venues, just focus on having fun and conveying a shitload of amazing/attraction qualities about yourself. Then
the girls will realize that they want you on their own accord.
Go slow and deep when youre ready to phase shift. That makes it just that much powerful and make a bigger impact.
When Im on the phone, I fractionate between fun C&F shit higher energy stuff, and HARDCORE slow deep pimp bedroom talk. In
the past month Ive gotten it so down that I secretly 3way call girls that Im seeing whenever an ASFer calls me, just to show it off.
Maybe Ill post some recordings, because one of my girlfriends knows about this, and she probably wouldnt mind if I told her after
and asked permission. Ill see on that, but please nobody email me.
In fact, in the past 3 months my tonality has become something Im most known for. Like I have weak points and strong points in
my game, but I think that is one of my stronger points. Also my facial expressiveness. Guys will meet up with me and ask to tape
me and stuff like that. Funny thing though, is that once I got to that point, thats when my game went up bigtime.
This shit is totally counter-intuitive. Its funny, because I was always
depressed when I was younger, like fuck, Im skinny, not the best looking..
but to make it even WORSE, my voice isnt even deep
So once I figured out that PROJECTION is more important than DEPTH, I was really happy about that. Girls started complimenting
me all the time and shit like that. Also, despite what was said in that thread about Styles and Mysterys voice, they both have
MONEY voices for pickup. Like Style really worked at it, and I noticed it last time I met up with him. His voice was really resonant
and cut through the noise at the lounge that we were in. I was really impressed actually. He just got this skill in the past few
months as well (I understand he took or read a course, though Im not sure which one). The video was from a Sony Clie, which had
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Mystery yelled something at the girl across the bar, and she ran over. Both him and I can YELL DOWN girls from over 30 feet
away, and they get stuck in it like a tracter beam an they run over and start shooting indicators of interest instantaneously. Its one
of those freaky workshop things that Ive learned to do, just to hotdog and impressive the guys taking it (kind of like rapid fire
makeouts - somewhat pointless but impressive to watch just to shatter your cognitive model of whats possible).
Anyway, Style was just being unconfident when he agreed with those criticisms. Style if youre reading, props man your tonality
was really really good last time I saw you, and much improved since the first time we met.
IJJJJI man, my feeling is that you know your shit. Try it in clubs and feedback after a couple of nights out. Let me know your
thoughts on it.

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PLAYING HARD TO GET

PLAYING HARD TO GET - BEING A CHALLENGE - BEING THE PRIZE
I talked about posting some more advanced material for guys who are interested. Here is a first helping. If you're not interested in
dense material, read something else.
This is one of the most important posts I've written in some time, and it will likely go misunderstood given that most guys will not
have the field experience to appreciate it. It is the most important thread I've posted in six months.
For guys who can gain attraction very consistently, but still have trouble getting laid: read this post until you have it down.
A few things to keep in mind, I want to throw out here:
-Buying Temperature Spikes
-S/C Switch (Screening vs Chasing switch)
-Social hook point and sexual hook point
-Female psychology (autopilot responses, socially conditioned buying temperature regulation, value responses, choice making fuck
rationalizations)
-Bodylanguage subcommunication of hard-to-getness (the idea of not saying you're hard to get, but communicating it with your
bodylanguage)
***This post is directed towards girls who you ascertain are attracted to challenging guys. Not all girls are like this, but many hot
girls are. Again, many aren't. For guys use or advocate other styles which don't make use of this sort of stuff, the reason that they
are getting laid is that they using other means of getting laid. There is more than one style. This post is something that is useful
for guys in my context, and if you're using a totally different style than me, then this stuff may be useless to you.
SOME ROUGH THOUGHTS ON FEMALE PSYCHOLOGY:
Many of the hottest girls are extremely responsive to hard to get guys. Anyone in field has experienced the scenario where he plays
hard to get and having the girl chase, but as soon as he shows interest he is blown out. This can happen even as late as the
bedroom. Like, you'll have a girl chasing you all night, isolate you back home, but because you make the first move, she locks up
and the pickup is over.
There are several reasons behind this, and in any given situation the lockup may have been caused by one or all of the reasons.
Firstly, you have autopilot responses. Think to the last time that you walked down the street, and a vagrant asked you for change.
Perhaps you said "no", and kept walking. You don't consider it a lie. It's just an autopilot response to a social situation. Girls are
the same with the LJGD ("let's just go dance") or "let's go to the bathroom", when their buying temperature goes down and their
logical social conditioning kicks in and says "This guy is trying to sleep with us. He may be attractive, but who cares, I'm not
meeting a guy at a club. I'm leaving this situation to go dance, because that's why I came to the club in the first place."
Notice also, how in all of the times that you've told a vagrant "no" when you were asked for spare change, there were those few
times when someone asked you for help, and you said "no" out of habit, when in fact as you walked off you might have thought to
yourself "Shit, maybe that guys' car really did break down. He didn't look like a vagrant. I wonder if I was a dick to him?"
The same goes for girls. They'll screen guys out as an auto-pilot response, and later wonder if they made a mistake (but they don't
care, because another guy will come along in two seconds anyway). Attraction and how alpha or how sexual you are is not a factor
here. Even very attractive guys get screened out for no logical reason. This is purely an autopilot response that you have to
recognize and dodge. That is why we use opening tactics - they open consistently.
Likewise, girls will leave a set as their buying temperature increases too fast, as an autopilot response. They think "I don't know
this guy. This guy knows what he's doing, and probably does it to all the girls. I'm getting out of here." This is why we use
fractionation tactics, so as to avoid her disengaging you. Note also, that typical C&F push/pull is NOT a fractionation tactic. C&F
and the like is not indirect, even if you are flirting around that you are hard to get. Girls know that if you're taking the time to
engage them, even in a C&F hard to get flirtish type way, that it is not the case that you are *legitimately* hard to get. This is in
the same way that when a girl comes up to me and says that my shirt is stupid - I know that she wants me. There is no difference.
C&F is simply a *competent* way of flirting, that says a million and one great things about you. It's still (arguably, depending on
semantics) a direct approach in some ways. It's just a direct approach that girls like, because it still shows that you are willing to
walk away - you're interested, but you can take it or leave it. So that said, you can see how "You're my new girlfriend.. No wait,
you don't have x whatever? We're broken up." is not a fractionation technique. It's highly competent flirting, but its not *actually*
conveying that you don't want her in a way where she really believes it.
**If I had to pinpoint one reason why guys who come to this stuff have trouble getting results, its what is outlined in this post. Girls
are used to sex going down in a certain way. Walking up to girls and overtly trying to pick them up goes against what they're used
to. It's a violation of social norms. Girls will tolerate it as cute, and they'll be interested to see what you'll do. But they'll rarely
sleep with you (unless they are at a certain point in their lives where they are open to the idea, which I'll post about below in terms
of "fuck rationalizations" - and this does happen often, which accounts for alot of the success that we see with other styles of
approaches). Guys go in trying to convince the girl, when they should be BAITING the girl into convincing THEM. As a result, most
of the bold moves that guys who come to the scene attempt, wind up not yielding any results.
So back on female psychology then, why do girls like *actual* hard to get guys?
Girls naturally enjoy having their buying temperature pumped up high. So if they can get those emotions out of an interaction,
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around him, and enjoy it. Of course what happens from there is that she backwards rationalizes it, and then convinces herself that
she legitimately wants the guy. From there, she decides that she's going to get the guy, and starts chasing him in a manner as
unsophisticated and blatantly obvious as how a pissed drunk AFC would chase a girl that he wants at a party. She'll kino him, giggle
and scream around him, compliment him, signal her friends to help her, and try to isolate him.
Notice, as this post goes on, that this last paragraph explains why just getting a girls' buying temperature up high is not good
enough, and that she actually has to chase. It's because of the backwards rationalization process, and the sexual hook point that
she crosses over as a result. The S/C switch (screen/chase) gets flipped.
There are also issues of validation at work. Notice that if you tell a girl "I hate you", she starts touching you immediately, and begs
to know why. Notice that if you engage the whole set, but actively ignore the choice girl, she'll start trying to get you to talk to her.
This is all validation. It's more validating for the often insecure hot girls, to sleep with a guy who will reinforce that she is beautiful.
Think about your last cute girlfriend. She was cute. She was great in bed. But sooner or later, you got used to it, and took it for
granted. Your relationship started stagnating. Then you're out at a party one night, and all these guys are giving her attention.
Her friends are there, and she's having a great time just doing her own thing. All of a sudden, she looks different. She seems
different. You say to your friend, "You know man, I was just thinking how cool Kathy is. I really want to stick with her." Then she
comes over, and sits with you. And its like "Wow, I actually have this girl with me. This is awesome".
Haa - she's no different than she was an hour ago when you were sick of her. But when you can tell that someone doesn't need
you, they just SEEM different. There's something about it that's hard to articulate. But what it boils down to, is that all of a sudden,
this person's attention has become a source of validation for you. And as a result, they seem more attractive. (BTW: I use the
paragraph before this one as a killer routine in sets, except I take out the part about stagnation and focus more on how I know that
I appreciate someone and the positive sides of it).
In addition to the validation issue, there are basic genetic/status explainations and accounts for why hard to get guys are appealing.
Very basically, guys who are sexually pre-selected by other girls because of their genetics and/or social status will be hard to get,
because they can't be bothered with chasing women. They simply walk around, and girls chase them. Chasing a girl is in some
ways subcommunicating that you are not one of these guys. If you go to the high class venues in Los Angeles, the mere act of
actively picking up is looked down on by the highly socially proofed guys. They'll say things like "That guy over there is trying to
pull ass. Kick him out."
A counter argument is that an alphamale will see a girl that he wants, and will just go up and assume the sell. This can also work, if
you genuinely come across that way, and if you have the followup to back it up congruently.
Generally though, this is uncommon. Natural PUAs generally just walk around, and girls give them AIs (approach invitations) or
make it really easy for them by throwing themselves at them, in a way that most surrounding men just don't recognize (and women
don't acknowledge, as this would be a breach of "Secret Society" to admit what's happening, and would break down their whole
system of secretly being the CHOOSERS). Note, that the idea of the alphamale who does approaches in society is a SOCIAL
MISCONCEPTION. This rarely happens. Generally, natural alphamales do not do cold approaches. I've travelled all over North
America and Europe, and I rarely see it. I know exactly what to look for - and I *rarely* see them initiating cold approaches. It
happens only in certain communities, like London and NYC. But this is very very uncommon, and even in these communities 99% of
the naturals who get laid often are still not doing cold approaches.
The ideas that "men take all the risks in escalation" and "men do the approaching, women do the receiving", that the academic
community of psychologists and zoologists have espoused is BAD DATA. It is literally a fallacy and blemish of the academic
community. It is a pathetic and glaring example of the follies of academia's white ivory tower armchair theorism, from eggheads
who couldn't put any of their theory into practice if you gave them 10 years of prepare it (this is a gripe that I have as a student of
political and analytic philosophy, that I see transferred over into this field as well). What these social scientists don't see (AFCs that
they are), while they're watching all of the interactions that they supposedly use as empirical data in their published studies (which
influence social understandings and thus social conditioning), is that while the men are the ones approaching and escalating, it is the
women who are throwing themselves at these clueless men, until they do something. So in that case, the woman has virtually
ALREADY DECIDED that she wants the man, and from there she just doesn't admit it (secret society breach), but rather throws
herself at the guy until he escalates. She even puts up silly shit tests like (this from a double lay that SB007 and I did on a 2set
that we pulled) "Just because you're renting that hotel, doesn't mean we're going up with you."... and later on in the night .... "just
because we came up here, doesn't mean we're sleeping with you.." And typical AFCs, will say "Wow, we really plowed through that
resistance", when in fact these girls had chosen to sleep with SB007 and I LONG before we'd taken them back to the hotel that we
rented right in front of them. We were the hard to get guys, and just let them play out their dramatic act of throwing themselves at
us in subtle ways, while pretending that they we didn't know what was happening. And then we allowed them to structure the
extraction while making it look like it was our idea and not their fault, and then afterwards they denied responsibility for what took
place, while they still email us regularly and want to meet up again. These girls would claim that we chose them, when in fact they
chose us - which few people realize is the way it almost always happens.
The idea that "girls choose" also stems from the male/female social dynamic in our society, and the practises and habits that spawn
from it. Men are unconsciously giving sexual validation to attractive women all day long, in one way or another. It's either they're
checking them out, asking them the time, trying to make small talk, or pivoting left instead of right as they walk out of a room
when it would be faster to pivot left but he can catch a glimpse of her by pivoting right. Girls are all too aware of this stuff. It's
built into them. They also go to the club religiously, to relish the process of guys buying them drinks and checking them out, and
then shooting them down. A quote over from literally the hottest girl on my campus two months ago after an off-night: "I'm so
depressed. No guys approached me tonight. I would never get together with a guy from a club, but I can't believe that I didn't get
approached."
So what winds up happening, is that girls get into a pattern of not seeking out sex. They tend to go in cycles, where rather than
chasing sex, they simply decide to give it up at arbitrary times. "This is the day that I will give it up." So for example, a typical girl
will have a "revenge" fuck, a "just broke up with my boyfriend rebound" fuck, a "I haven't gotten laid in exactly 6 months" fuck, a
"I'm on vacation and there are no social consequences and I just want to have fun" fuck, a "I need to revalidate myself being

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snubbed to prove I'm beautiful" fuck, a "romantic tryst adventure" fuck, a "jump on the sword so my friend can have her guy" fuck,
a "I haven't gone home with a guy before, and all my friends have and I want to try it" fuck, etc etc etc. Then of course there is the
"I've been dating this guy 3 months, and he provides well and its time to give it up now" fuck, which is the one that we typically
aren't concerned about on this chat forum.
The girl has had sex available to her continually, but she can't "give it up" at every opportunity that comes around, because she'd
wind up sleeping with 15,000 different men by the time she was finished. So instead, she comes up with rationalizations of when
and where to give it up.
Thus, it is the case that girls are in the habit of making the choice. The second that they see that the guy is trying to make the
choice for them, the sequence is broken, and their auto-pilot response kicks in and they automatically go back to screening him
(even if they like him), just as they had on every other day prior to this one. (Don't make the mistake of thinking that you still don't
have to do the work in making up BS excuses so that it isn't the girls' fault, once the ball is rolling. That is a different story. It still
has to be "not hard fault". What's being discussed here is a separate
issue from that).
This is the fallacy that guys make when approaching. They think that they can choose the girl, because they've pumped her buying
temperature and she's been receptive to it. In practice though, if the S/C Switch doesn't flip, she'll still just sit back and enjoy the
emotions, without having to give up anything in return. That's when you get situations where the girl will hang with you alll night,
but won't give up her #, or she'll give it but she'll flake, or she'll give insurmountable LMR even if you extract.
That's because the right SEQUENCE hasn't been initiated, to make her "Today is the day" switch flip (where she'll pick from one of
the many fuck-rationalizations, in the heat of the moment). And that sequence is "Guy is attractive. I can't take it anymore, so
today is the day. I choose guy. I throw myself at him in oblique ways that he can't directly prove is me actually doing it. He
eventually notices my actions and picks me up. I do nothing to help it move along, but if he makes everything happen and
alleviates me of responsibility then it happens. He takes the credit for picking me up." The sequence is NOT "Guy walks up and
tries to attract me. I decide that I'm attracted. I let him fuck me."
For that reason, the guy may have switched every attraction switch in the book in terms of buying temperature, but unless she is
the one making the choice, the S/C switch will not be flipped. She is attracted, but her thought process is STILL occupied with
trying to find every reason possible not to let anything happen.
She must switch from the typical mode of perpetual screening, to chasing. Her THOUGHT PROCESS must be switched. She must
believe that you are a guy who is a source of attraction (ie: buying temperature escalation), but that you are not intentionally doing
it to her. This is the same reason that if you tell a girl that you study 'pickup', she will be offended. You are breaking the sequence
that is protected via the Secret Society, so to speak. You are messing up their ability to make a "good" choice.
From there, she has switched into chase mode. She is no longer dwelling whatsoever on why she shouldn't do anything (as she
would be perpetually, if she thought that you were trying to lay her). Now, she's focused only on how to make it happen with you.
Her thought process has changed. The S/C Switch has been flipped. She's focused solely on making it happen (except that she's
not admitting to herself that she's trying to "get laid" - nope - she's just trying to continue the interaction back to somewhere that it
could happen, despite that she deep down knows that she IS trying to get laid, but won't actively admit it to herself).
So that said, how do you trip that switch early on? Let's look at some straight tactics.
*****
FLIPPING THE S/C SWITCH, VIA TIMED FRACTIONATION ON BUYING TEMPERATURE SPIKES:
What is a buying temperature spike? You've all seen it. It's when you do or say something to give the girl a quick shot of emotions.
Like a C&F remark where she goes "Oh!" and swats you. Or you tell her that you know something that she wants to know bad, and
she goes "OMG OMG OMG, tell me tell me tell me!" Or when you run a really tight story that has her dying laughing or excited or
intrigued. Or if you do a DHV, like the coin snatch trick or Mystery's 3 and 7 routine, and she freaks out. Or a great joke. Or even
just coming in strong with good bodylanguage and tonality, and sucking up the attention of everyone in the set, and her buying
temperature shoots up (you see this when you go in with an opener, and the girls just jump to talk to you or answer your question).
Whatever.
You see it on their face, and you see it in the way that they turn their bodylanguage towards you, and when they kino you. Her
buying temperature has shot up. Usually, it hits in abrupt bursts. Little spikes on the graph. You know you can't *maintain* this
level indefinetely, but you can hit that level in bursts.
These buying temperature spikes are the right time to start doing subtle takeaways. That is, not the kind of takeaway where you
walk off into another set. Rather, you just break eyecontact with her, and face away a bit. You *exactly* what the girls do to you,
when you're gaming them in a club, and they get distracted because a peice of your material is not strong enough. You turn to your
friends or the bar or the dancefloor, and you make it look like you're about to leave.
*But*, girls are very much accostomed to getting what they want. So unlike
most guys who will give up, their instant reaction is to go "HEY HEY HEY, keep
talking.. What were you saying??? What???"
That is your first step in getting the girls chasing. You have conveyed that you might walk away at any point, and all of the
aforementioned issues are now dealt with. You are an attractive guy, and you have very clearly (in such a subtle way)
demonstrated that you are not trying to get her. IOW, the natural process of her becoming attracted to you and choosing you has
begun.
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OPENER CLASS: "BAIT OPENERS" - SPIKE BUYING TEMPERATURE, AND TAKEAWAY TO BAIT HER TO OPEN YOU
1- "I'm shy":
My friend Shannon walks up to a set. I walk up to her and she introduces me. I say "Hey, I'm shy" with a super cocky look on my
face, and turn to Shannon and say "Let's go outside". Here I looked like a cocky cool and fun guy, who they were about to get a
little bit of buying temperature entertainment from - gratuitous entertainment for their night. But I *spotted* that look on their
face, so I automatically took it away. *But*, I left a hook that they could grab on to. I said "Hey, I'm shy", and then turned to
Shannon as if I were about to leave. In fact, I wasn't, but knew that they'd force me to stay. From there, they scream "Why are
you shy?! Why are you shy?! Don't go.. Why are you shy?!", and I roll back in and game them. You can also use "I hate you", "I
hate you guys", or "I hate girls". These work amazingly well as followups, and work well when you're merging into a set with your
wing. Again, the girls say "Why?? Whyyyy?!??"
2- Eyecodes and bluffing that you're entering the set, and flashing peacocky zipper:
I walk by some guys who are gaming a set poorly. I walk right up to the set, and do "let's go" girl eye code to the girls (I roll my
eyes, like "These guys are tools"). I also make little eye movements down to where their hands are too eagerly touching the girls,
and make eye movements at the beers that they bought for them, and smirk right after I see them. The girls know what's up - they
can tell that I know the deal of how women are. I walk right up like I'm about to out-alpha the guys, but then shake my head a bit
like "This is too lame for me to even bother with", and then back away while still maintaining eye contact with the girls. Here I am
using my PRESENCE as something that will give them a quick buying temperature level spike, and then I am withdrawing. I then
proceed to tug on the zipper of my very peacocky zipper covered (BAIT) vest, and look from her eyes down to my vest. I have
provided the bait. The girls immediately go "Hey! That vest is awesome! Let me see! Let me see!", and blow off the guys and
jump over to me.
3- Take over set with C&F comment and AMOG blaster:
I look over from my barstool, and plow in with booming tonality some C&F comments, and proceed to shoot a quick out-alpha
routine on the AMOG. For anyone who read my FR last week, it was a coment about a girl saying that everyone thought she had
fake breasts. I yelled over "That's great - they'll give you boyancy if we're ever lost at sea. You'll be the only one to survice". Both
girls look at me, and are intrigued. Then the AMOG says "Hey, this is my girlfriend", and I reply with "Haa, cool.. You guys look so
similar, I thought that you guys were brother and sister. If you guys have kids they'll look like (I do a funny impression)." I then
make a comment to the guy that he owns this end of the bar, turn my barstool around, and takeaway. Again, I have come in with
COOLER presence than everyone else. I added energy to the group, which spiked up the girls' buying temperature, and then
noticing that I immediately took it away. The girls immediately re-openme.
4- Opinion opener:
This is something that I do all the time with Sickboy007. Like all the time. This is key to our game. We roll into set talking
amongst ourselves. Like we are the coolest guys in the club, and not needy at all. We're having more fun in our own conversation
than we could be talking to anyone else. (Note: We usually actually ARE, so this is congruent. We talk about cool shit while we're in
the field, and joke around alot. This keeps our state up, and is much better than talking game in field and getting too analytical).
Despite being both guys, because we are both cool we actually provide more social proof to eachother than a female pivot would.
So right off the bat, we look like best friends who could care less if they'll talk to us or not, because we are cooler and more
interesting than them. We tap one of the girls, and run the first line of the opinion opener. They're thinking "Wow, those cool
looking guys we saw are actually coming over to talk to us". Then they give their answer, and I we immediately turn our
bodylanguage away from facing them, and into eachother. Then we assimilate their answer into our conversation, and transition
into joking around about other shit that the girls DON'T GET, but it sounds interesting. So the girls see that we basically just tooled
them to add to our own fun, and they can see that our conversation is so fucking interesting that they want to join it very badly.
After all, we weren't rude. We just didn't follow them like puppydogs, like most guys would. So notice that the hook has been laid.
The girls will interrupt us, and say 'Why did you ask us that? What about David Bowie?? What?? What?? How old is your little
sister??" They keep trying to get in, and win us into a conversation.
**Notice that in all these cases, I'm laying the bait on the hook, and then pulling it back. I don't actually walk away. I just make
the initial body movements that I'm about to walk away, because of the way that I pivot my body. But I'm not actually walking
away. In fact, I'm not going anywhere. I know that if I lay the hook right, they'll start trying to re-open ME. It's all in hitting it at
the *exact* moment, and then turning as if you're about to walk away, but providing some bait that they can open you off of, so
they don't have to think too hard (God forbid).
IMPORTANT:
In addition to setting the hard to get frame, there are other things being laid down here that will help your pickup as it goes along.
When you come in with a straight opener, and then start talking, she will often go into "receptive mode". An example that I do in
seminar to explain this, is I'll be talking for an hour, and then out of nowhere I'll point to a student and say "Hey man. Do me a
favour. Say the coolest thing that you can think of right now. Just say any random cool thing. Whatever you want." *Never* has
a student been able to do it. They just sit there gawking, and they can't think of a single thing to say. Likewise, nobody else in the
room can either. That's because their brain has been in "receive" mode for the last hour. They've been sucking up all the info, and
their mental process of calling things up isn't in gear. It's like doing your math homework. Your first problem takes you 10
minutes. Your second one, 5. Then every one after that takes 1 minute each. That's because your brain has engaged into "math
mode". Likewise, if the girl is just listening and listening, she won't be able to qualify herself to you very easily, because she's too
busy taking what you're saying all in. So what winds up happening (and many guys will recognize this phenomenon), is that a
pause occurs in the conversation, and because the girl feels the emotion of discomfort that she can't think of a way to fill it, she
immediately says "Cool. Anyway, I have to go dance now". And POW, even though she was digging you, she left because the
emotion of not having anything to say sunk her buying temperature so quickly. Another reason, is because by talking so much,
you're logically disengaging her so strongly, that the sudden cognitive shift from the emotional saturation of being gamed without
having to contribute anything, to suddenly actually having to (God forbid) THINK about what to say, will slam gear shift her brain
into logical thinking so fast, that its like slamming your car from 5th to first gear, while driving 100 down the freeway. So better, is
to get BOTH her mind thinking of what to say, and buying temperature still escalating. This happens, because she's getting excited
by the process of actually gaming you. You've baited her into selling herself on you. This is a basic persuasion tactic. Nothing
more. Before she's even had a chance to decide whether or not she even wants you, you're already taking away the option. But of
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when its time for her to pipe in, she can easily think of something to say, and the set will hold, AND she'll be more likely to be able
to qualify herself to you.
And that said, they often WILL do things to qualify themselves to you. You can AMPLIFY this again, with some playful hard to get
tactics.
This is a really fucking key peice. Pay close attention to it. Say for example, you went in with "I'm shy", and then pulled out.
They'll say "Why are you shy? We're nice girls!" You can reply "Umm yeah.. You're OK.. Oh shit, you have a belly button ring.
Don't show me that." Immediately, you'll see them jumping up and pulling your face down to look at their peircing. They'll say
"Look at it! Loooook at it!!!!" Then you look at it, and like they've entranced you, you talk to them a bit more.
The same can be done after you exchange signs. They'll tell you that they're Libras, and you say "I can't talk to you anymore..
You're trouble". This is as if you're moderating your own buying temperature. You turn your back on them, and they'll grab your
shoulder and say "NO!! You tell me your sign NOW!! Are you a Libra too?!?!"
Another one you'll see alot, is that you run the hook, and pull back. Typical girl tactics, they'll start touching you. So say that they
touch your shoulder. You can act like it feels really good. You mumble "That actually feels really good - my shoulder is so sore.
You have to stop doing that.. Stop.. Seriously.. That's a bad idea.." They'll do it more and more. "OK,
you're getting me all emotional.. enough.."
Even without hook openers though (which I only use a small percentage of the time), I can still engage the chasing just further into
the set. It doesn't require that you do it right off the opener like in the case of hook openers. Its convenient if you can do it early,
but it isn't required at all. The only time limit is that the dynamic isn't set in stone that you're too giving and eager. So long as I
avoid that scenario, I will only do it off the opener if I spot a buying temperature spike. Otherwise, I proceed as normal, until I see
it.
I do the same on tonguedowns. I'll be kissing the girl, and then I'll pull back, and mumble "OK, stop.. We seriously have to stop."
They'll say "Why?" and keep trying to push more. You say "I'm just getting so....." and then they'll pull you back in. Do this
repeatedly. This is an extension to the Style kiss close, where he goes in with "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now".
Basically, the idea here is that you BAIT the girl, by giving her information on how to seduce you, but telling her not to do it.
The thing is though, that you have to be congruent with it. You actually use your bodylanguage at various points, to deliberately try
to screw up your own pickup. Because girls are used to getting what they want, they'll re-initiate it HARD. This is NOT just a
verbal thing. It's a bodylanguage thing. Girls respond to how you use your body. Try to speak using your body.
This is very similar to martial arts. It's like "parry, strike, dodge, parry, strike, dodge.. strike.. etc etc.." You're going "Hit up
buying temperature, pull back.. Give her an idea of how to seduce you, pull back.. Give a bit.. Hit up buying temperature again.. Pull
back.. Hit up buying temperature again.. Pull back.. Give her an idea.. Pull back.. etc etc"
From there, when I do extractions or get a phone number, I also make them work for it. Often, they'll be walking away and say
they have to go. I'll say "OK" and just look at them blank. They'll immediately offer their # or to take mine. But that aside, I also
use bait to make them go for it. I'll wait until they say something cool, and I'll act like a girl whose buying temperature just shot
up. I'll look intrigued or excited and say "Wow. Geez, I have to take you to x-place". I'll pick something that I know they want
bad. Something that they'll react to. Or I'll just use something ordinary, but I'll map out ascenario (using future adventures
projection of us doing awesome stuff), and just go with that. They'll immediately offer up their number. Then I'll say "OK cool",
and just change the subject. Just like how a girl does to guys. What's next is funny to watch. She'll start trying to naturally "slip
in" that I should take her number. I'll keep saying "Yeah cool, I'll get it later". I keep doing this, until she's asked me to exchange
numbers around 5-15 times over the next hour. Often they'll just ask me for my number out of concern that I won't call. When I
finally acknowledge that I'll call is when she does something impressive. Then I'll say "WOW.. What was your number again? I'm
definetely calling you." Moreover, girls will also try to extract me for food after the club closes. I'll say "Yeah awesome!" but then
turn to my wing and keep talking to him. They keep pushing for it, and they'll run and grab their friend and try to make their friend
convince me as well. Then I'll capitulate. I may not necessarily wait for them to initiate it. Many just won't. So instead, I'll wait for
them to do something to impress me, and then I'll suggest it. If they're giving me a backrub, I may say "I'm hungry. I want to go
to Denny's after this."
But I do the same in the other direction. I act just like a flakey stimulus seeking girl. If they bore me, I just walk off in distraction.
If something interesting happens, I'll walk over to it to check it out. If a good song comes on, I may just get up and walk away. If
they say something I don't like, I'll lean away and start looking at other girls. They have to keep tapping me on the shoulder and
tell me to keep talking, in order for me to stay attentive.
So how do you seduce in a case where the act of seducing would be incongruent to everything you've built up. They play it up, and
the girl tries to get them, but then they stupidly go against everything that they've been doing get them attracted all this time, and
start trying to seduce them. This is incongruent. It kills attraction instantly. It relies on some fallacy that the girl likes you for your
personality, when in fact she may, but it is not relevant to her *attraction* for you. You're switching gears too quickly, from 5th to
1st gear, in one foul swoop. It doesn't work. Attraction dies instantly. I've had girls who went completely cold, even after spending
hours with me - all because I dropped the hard to get act, and started trying to escalate - without doing the right transition work (I
will explain).
Instead, you have to play it smooth. This requires you to have strong verbal skills and calibration skills. The girl has been getting
you comfortable being closer and closer to her the whole time, so its fine if you're right next to her, and even in kino. But you have
to keep presenting challenges to her, and punishing and rewarding her with those challenges. She'll say something that I like, and
I'll lean in like I'm about to kiss her. Then I won't. I'll slowly start moving back, until she says something else that I like. Then I
move in closer than the first time. Then I move slowly back. Then she says something that I like, and I move right in to kiss her,
and say "You're getting me all emotional", and pull back. Then I keep my face up to hers, and we talk face to face, with lips grazing
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and my lips will graze hers more and then we're making out. I may also say "I'm not going to" at different points, when she's
obviously trying to move in to kiss me. If she says "Not going to what?", I won't answer. Rather, I'll just keep talking in the quiet
face-to-face way that we've been doing.
Also - again, you can do things like "You're wearing Channel? Don't let me smell it.. Don't..." (she'll practically tackle you and put
her neck up to your face to make you smell it). Then you can phase shift, but then snap your own state and move back. But as
you're moving back, you say things to pump her buying temperature.
A GREAT thing to reward girls for is also dancing in front of you, or in between your legs. Although they'd never admit it (Secret
Society Breach), dancing is a sexual exhibition. So if you can make her perceive that her dancing is what's getting your buying
temperature up, she'll feel fully qualified. You kiss her, but you still don't keep trying. You just do it, and then sit there blank
afterwards. She still has more to do.
Remember that this is like fucking with magnets. You're constantly backing off, but doing it SPECIFICALLY at a time when you know
you've spiked buying temperature, so that she'll chase the stimulus.
That's the part that's so hard to convey in text. I show this to guys in workshop no problem, but I can't explain it that well. You
have to actually take the time to mentally catalogue all of the little bodylanguage mannerisms that girls use, when they're getting
distracted. And then you use these on them. And when you use them, you have to TIME it just at the right time - right when you
hit on the right emotion. Always remember that there are so many fucking little ways that you reveal that you really want her. It
only takes the slightest slip, and the jig is up. You have to be congruent.
Note that if you pull away at the wrong time when her buying temperature is down, she'll backwards rationalize that she is not
experiencing attraction, and that she's not attracted to you anymore and that she's HAPPY that you're backing off. This will end it.
So you have to have the verbal game and physical coquettishness to play this up properly.
Now as for seducing, this is like trapping an animal that you've baited closer and closer. If you do decide to pounce on her, do it
ONLY once she has been baited too close, and she won't be able to get away. What I mean by that, is do it only once you have her
lying with you snuggling, and then you can start playing your late game. If you do it prior to that, her physical horniness from
contact with you won't have kicked in yet, and she'll have nothing to counter-act the state breaker that you dropping the hard to get
act was playing up.
Notice, btw, that there is both a social hook point and a sexual hook point. Style has talked about the "hook point", as the point in
the pickup in which the girls have stopped wondering "why is this guy talking to us", and have decided that they don't want you to
leave. They'll do things to help the conversation continue, and your life becomes much easier. The same goes down the line, where
there is a sexual hook point. You'll see this alot, especially with girls on vacation. This is where they've actually decided that they
want to hook up with you. If you get this kind of girl, you'll notice zero LMR down the line. If you escalate, she will not resist IF
she feels that she worked hard enough to get you. If not, then her desire to meet a challenge has not been fulfilled, and instead she
thinks "Haa, he wants me for no reason like everyone else. What a chump."
Anyway, in summary, a few points to have taken from this are:
1- There is a natural social process that occurs, which women don't want you to know about. They want you to think that you're the
one who picked them up, so they don't have to "be responsible" for it. However, this fallacy has spawned guys in this community to
develop pickup styles that violate social practices, in a way that isn't effective. (I violate social practices myself, but in a way that
nobody spots). That's why when you talk about hitting on girls, the girls don't like it. But if you ask them "How *would* you like a
guy to hit on you?" they have no realistic reply. It's because they secretly know that they pickup guys, but don't admit it publically
or even to themselves.
2- Being able to attract a girl is often not enough. Girls find themselves wanting to sleep with various guys that they see all day
long. What it takes to actually get laid, is to flip her S/C switch, so that she's decided "Today is the day. This guy is the guy". This
is why there are many guys in the scene who can run a tight set, but still don't get laid. They have a certain part of their game
down, but need to work more on flipping that fucking S/C Switch.
3- Being aware of buying temperature spikes, and knowing WHEN to pull away is key. If you just pull away at arbitrary times, you
will not get a result.
4- Guys think that looks is the most important part of a pickup. In fact, its brains. You have to be smart as fucking hell to do this
stuff. You have to think fast on your feet, and you have to calibrate. Most guys don't have a repertoire of material that will spike
buying temperature, and fall into a trap of talking about situational stuff, which girls just interpret as you trying to get rapport with
them, and makes you unchallenging.
5- There is a difference between a girl being attracted to you, and a girl wanting to fuck you. If you are TOO GIVING in set, then
you run the risk of being the first guy, not the second. You have to be giving, but strategically.
6- To implant the idea of seducing you into the girls' mind, you have to have a repertoire of material to do so. That is BOTH
material to entertain sets so you can pull a girl from her group or open a lone girl in a way that doesn't set off an autopilot response,
but also you have to have material that gets her thinking that she wants you and gets her chasing you. This material is a
combination of regular material that you use to spike buying temperature, and then pulling back, as well as recognizing anything
that you can misinterpret as her trying to seduce you, and then pulling back from that as well, which raises the challenge and makes
her do it more, and then you can play with it in the ways that were mentioned.
Anyway, hopefully some guys got some useful ideas from this post. I'm not sure how well it came across in writing, and I much
prefer just demonstrating it in field, because although its complex in writing, its fairly simple in practice once you know what to look
for and what to use.

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HOW TO PLAY HARD TO GET FOR REAL THE CLIFFS NOTES VERSION: Its social custom / natural for girls to choose. Once
they choose, they make it easy for the guy, and if he makes it happen then theyll sleep with him, because it isnt their fault
that way. Trying to choose for her by overtly trying to pick her up, or being too giving in the interaction, might be interpreted
as abnormal social behaviour, and will often be met with resistance. An effective way of coaxing the choosing mechanism to
switch on, is that when you see she has hit an emotion high point in the interaction, look distracted and pull back a bit, so she
has to get her brain thinking on how to continue the interaction. This gets her chasing you, and is also good because it gets
her thinking to actually talk, which will often aids in the qualification process and is more natural than more abrupt and overt
qualification. You can also amplify it by telling her that its working and to stop. You can sometimes do this right from the
opener, and other times you can do it down the line. It is also good to get someone to work for something, because it snaps
their thought process from finding reasons not to, to finding ways to get it. Theyll be congruent to this, and have sex with you.
THE END.. :)

I first got alot of the insights into what went into this post, when something hit me. Whats the easiest set in which to gain
hard attraction? I always thought it was a 3set of girls. But in fact, having done thousands of sets, and looking back at all my
lays, it was actually 1guy/1girl 2sets. Weird, huh? But yep, looking back, Ive pulled so many girls from guy/girl 2sets, that I
had to think about what was causing it. Then I realized it. It was because in that kind of set, the dynamic is that youre really
talking to the guy so much and ignoring the girl so that he wont object. And you dont have the other girls all freaking out
giggling, so the target girl isnt even wise to the fact that youre doing anything to game her. In fact, its so fucking disarming
just chatting some guy, that when you shoot your attract material at her in between sentences, her buying temperature pumps
so fucking fast that she just goes SNAP and decides she wants to fuck you. Ive seen this over and over, and it was mind
boggling to me (like Ill have smoking 10s throwing themselves at me, and ditching their guys for bathroom makeouts and
showing up for day2s after only 9-10 minute sarges - stuff like what you see in movies - I did this with Miss Illonois America in
Chicago DYD workshop). This is field tested for over a year, and this is the easiest set to gain attraction in, IME. So just taking
the same principle and applying it to other types of sets, I thought about ways to get the same effect. This sort of stuff
evolved, and has been field tested extensively and it works.

Again, just to talk about the results were getting from this - guys like Twentysix and SB007 and myself are getting laid
consistently with this stuff, by very hot girls. Two nights ago, Twentysix pulled a 511 hottie within 45 minutes, using this exact
stuff, and fucked her yesterday and today. The night before, he had porno style girl out with as well, again using this exact
stuff. The night before that, he had 3 girls in his bed, all trying to fuck him - two of them hot, one a ugly fat chick. He was too
scared to pull down his pants with the UG trying to get in, so turned it down (STUPID! SEND HIM HATE MAIL!). The night
before that he did a date with 4 girls at once. Sickboy is the same way in NYC. This is the lifestyle were leading. I mean this
is real rockstar shit, and its not some bullshit that guys are posting on the internet like it was back in the day, where the
authors arent stepping up and demoing in front of anyone willing to watch. Like its actual REAL SHIT, and we finally GOT IT.
It is extremely field tested, and it works. This isnt in question. Like Id put my skillset to the test beside anyone on this
chatboard any time in any venue on any social/age group. I couldnt say that 6 months ago, but with the kind of consistency
Ive had of late Id have no problem now.

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ACTIVE DISINTEREST
Some thoughts - hopefully helpful despite their absurd complexity.
Distinction:
C&F False disqualification.
ACTUAL false disqualification.
The C&F False disqualification is like busting her on her manneurisms. Im gay. This is my boyfriend. You cant to us, were gay.
Or shes giggling, and you say Go away! Go away!, while doing the pushaway move that I described in the Tonguedown notes.
Or saying I would definetely NOT get along with this chick! while the friends are laughing.
Again, this is all C&F type stuff.
It AMPLIFIES attraction at key points, because it pre-emptively disarms the natural cutoff mechanism that girls have when they feel
themselves heating up to an uncomfortable buying temperature too quickly, before proceeding to game more.

OK so whats REAL false disqualication, and what is its purpose?

There exists many social SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey social value.

breaking rapport
neutral to rapport
trying to gain rapport

This goes on in social interactions all day long. Notice that the coolest people in the club venue are trying to break rapport with
everyone. (They even wear sunglasses in a dark club, to convey that they are too cool and dont want to make eye contact with
anyone).
They roll in with their Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in tow, and dont talk to anyone in the whole club except maybe the people similar to
them. YET, if they were to approach YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club, youd chat THEM, despite that theyd blow you off.
Youd chat them because they have high social value in that specific venue. People are DRAWN to interact with people of value,
even if theyre not attracted. If Bill Gates wanted to chat, would I? Yes. Even if it was about nothing that helped me whatsoever,
Id just do it for some reason.
What Style is talking about here (which is a related to stuff Ive discussed extensively on the Mystery Lounge), is that value readjustments may be necessary PRIOR to gaming.
Gaming = emotionally arousing (pumping her through states in a way that keeps her happy, aka C&F, and many other ways)
A girl can still CUT OFF who she allows to emotionally arouse her.
VALUE / ATTRACTION are DISTINCT.
Value is a FILTER to see if the girl will ALLOW you to attract her.
Think to the REVERSE.
Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY (they purchase romance novels that are descriptive).
Guys are aroused mostly VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they purchase porno and lapances).
A fat girl approaches me, and starts touching me. She is arousing me because she is touching my legs with her hands. She is
breathing on me. Im feeling myself getting hard.
Immediately I push her away from me, and CUT OFF what she is doing. Do I do this because I am INCAPABLE of deriving some
pleasure from fucking her?
No.
Men fucked fat chicks for years, back when they were socially desirable (IOW:
HAD VALUE). Theres no biological reason for me not fucking her. Its just social.
Similarly, girls emotionally cut off men from gaming them. They wont even acknowledge that you exist, or if they do, what youre
saying is just cute or entertaining.
Again, they are of high social value, and thus exhibit this by breaking rapport with people (both through verbal communications
why are you asking me this.. go away, and non-verbal subcommunications like turning away from you, not matching your facial
expressions or excitement levels, not being responsive to your presence, etc)
Value is established by:

OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics, grooming, and clothing subcommunications)

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SOCIAL PROOF (both your entourage, the level to which the surrounding women are appearing to be unlocked to you (which is
made obvious by things they subcommunicate as you are in the area, and girls pickup on this), and the level to which people
treat you (ie: are they breaking rapport with you, being neutral to it, or trying to gain it)
ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and tonalities that you convey, by the words that you say and the way that you say it, and by the
people who you interact with in a particular order and the way you interact with them)

So with girls, you can open with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER, and this is NOT ENOUGH.
Hence Styles Neg First post.
This was derived from JAP Busting I & II
You must break rapport, perhaps several times, prior to gaming. Girls will not ALLOW themselves to become emotionally heated
(aka; for their buying temperature to increase) for someone who does not pass through their filter of VALUE.
So what does that amount to in practical terms? Heres an example:
TD: Hey guys, I need a female opinion.. Do girls think that the rockstar David Bowie is hot?
HBS: I dunno..
TD: Hey, youre cool.. You guys are smart.. Youre from Long Island, I can tell..
HBS: Hey, were not from there..
TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns back)
HBS: WTF?
TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm.. My friends little sister gets this poster of David Bowie on her wall. That is an OLD MAN.. Do you guys
like OLD MEN?!?! HBS: Why are you asking us this?
TD: (looks at wingman like they are RETARDED and mumbles).... Im talking.
(turns back HARD, engages other set)
HBS: What a jerk blah blah..
TD: (turns around) hahhhaa, are you guys still talking about me?? haahhaa.
(turns back)
HBS: No, were just saying blah blah
TD: (now commencing NORMAL game) You guys are so cute.. You know, Im going to adopt you guys, you guys will be my new
little sisters..
This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT. Neg first. (Id also game a high value set differently, but thats another story.. Id use the same stuff,
but at a different rate, direct it at different people, and also alot less of it)
You do the SAME with UG THEORY. Try to gain rapport with them first.
Value calibrations imply rapidly ascertaining what their perceived social value is, and matching it.
Girls are typically only inclined to allow themselves to be gamed with someone of simliar value.
There are exceptions however.
TRUST
ATTRACTION
VALUE
These three things are SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times.
Some girls want guys with high value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like this, ChickJunkies 10$ Opener is good for girls like this, although an
NYC JAP would probably pull out her attack whistle if you tried it on them)
Some girls value TRUST, which is subcommunicated through many things. Like when you see guys who are out with their
girlfriends, and NEVER turn to face them. The girls always have to do the initiating. Some guys telegraph this, and it telegraphs
trust. This is why simlar to girls who just want high value guys (like NYC Jewish American Princesses), some girls want to fuck gay
guys and convert them. Queers subcommunicate feelings of trust so strong that some girls fall in love with them instantly. Weird ask 10 girls and 2 or 3 will answer you this.
Some girls value ATTRACTION. These girls want the construction worker or badboy or the prejudicial racist stereotype of black
guys.
There are also piles of PROFILES for this that you can spot, and piles of subcommunications that you can learn (think AMOG
TACTICS post - what do the out-alpha tactics subcommunicate, beyond their surface verbal level?)
AN EXAMPLE OF VALUE:
Sickboy007 and I want entrance into an exclusive club. We ont only want entrance, but we want if free and we want to be bumped
to the front of the line.
We do this all the time - I sit back and pretend to be a celeb.
my manager.

I say nothing, acknowledge nobody, and act aloof. Sickboy007 is

Sickboy007: Hey, were heading up to VIP.

BOUNCER: Are you on the guest list?

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Sickboy007: You guys treat us really good here. Actually, were going to need to bring in our friends tommorow, and we need it
Saturday as well. BOUNCER: Are you guys celebrities? Who are you guys?
Sickboy007: (pauses)
BOUNCER: Hello?
Sickboy007: Yeah, umm well definetely need that Saturday. I like you guys, you guys treat us good.
BOUNCER: OK bring in you and your friend. Talk to the manager about Saturday and Sunday, I dont do that stuff.
TD & Sickboy007 skip the line, free cover, admitted to VIP.
Look at the subcommunications. He didnt answer the bouncers quesitons directly. He barely looked the guy in the eyes. He didnt
shift his body towards him. He didnt show any nervousness or regard for the bouncers physical presence. He didnt even answer
the quesitons with anything COHERENT.
The bouncer is TRAINED to pick up on this behaviour, and admit high value guests.
Im not sure if this makes sense, but this is the behaviour we use in the pickup of high value girls.
Active disinterest can also cause attraction because it engages certain things in a girl.. many things actually.
A few are:
1- She feels that she can become emotional around you, and you wont fuck her while shes in this illogical state (which then its
too late and you do) - This is hard to explain, and is a concept that has never been discussed on mASF. So Id have to post
wack of stuff to get you up to speed on this. Its very real though man. Logic is the BREAKS that girls use to stop emotion.
When you disengage logic, emotion takes over, and she becomes sexually RECEPTIVE. This is DIFFERENT from how guys get
(which is sexually AGGRESSIVE). Girls become sexually aggressive sometimes, but most lays will happen when theyre too
emotional to adaquetely object, rather than when theyre horny and want to fuck. Remember the lay report from Ryobi, where I
said just drag her out of the club caveman style? I could recognize that she was in a sexually AGGRESSIVE state, so I
advised him to caveman. But if girls are sexually RECEPTIVE, you need to go about it differently. Different gameplan. A
gameplan where active disinterest is fundamental.
2-

It engages her chase instinct, which prevents the screen instinct.

Think to when youre at a store, and the salesman is PUSHING something on you. Your thought process is find stuff wrong
with it.. find reasons not to.. If its the last one, and other people are buying it, you SCRAMBLE to get it. Your thought process
is totally different.

3-

It subcommunicates VALUE, which some girls actually find to be a huge turnon. (like girls who want gay guys because their
core desire is trust, many girls just want value and dont care about attraction that much.. the mere PRESENCE of someone
with value is ENOUGH to make them EMOTIONALLY AROUSED, so the value actally takes care of the arousal process FOR YOU).

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ACTIVE DISINTEREST IS NOT ASEXUAL IMPORTANT

I had a few thoughts this week, from watching some guys I was working with.
Some guys (I can't remember who) re-labelled the term Active Disinterest as "Tentative Interest". I think this came from Swinggcat,
I'm not sure. To me this is all the same thing, but for some guys this disintinction could be useful because they are learning only
from text so its important for the terminology to be as accurate as possible. Since they aren't seeing direct examples, nothing can
be taken for granted I suppose.
A few pointers on this:
1- I always tell guys to focus on having fun and being social rather than appearing to be trying too hard to "pickup" (so as not to be
perceived and treated as the next cheesy sexually needy guy of the night). But that said, I assume that guys are coming across like
MEN here, and there is a sexual vibe between them and the girls already. Many guys I've seen though will take this too far, which is
understandable, but IMO its a mistake. I personally will pull a lot of stripper type stuff, like coquettish "You can't have me" looks.
But in doing so, the fact that you're subcommunicating "you can't have me" *assumes* that the vibe between you is sexual.
Otherwise, the idea of her not HAVING YOU wouldn't come up at all.. See? :)
Direct examples of ways to do so include quickly turning and facing the hot girl directly, moving a bit closer to her, and shooting a
quick triangular gaze from hard eye contact down to her lips, then looking back up to her eyes and making a playful smile and
backing away from her a bit to turn to her friends. Watch the girls go insane at this. You could then shoot her a playful nod like "Not
gonna happen". Then engage the friends a bit, even though the hot girl knows there's something between you, and watch her work
to get your attention by trying to cut in. Then when she pulls her typical "I can get what I want" girl jumping in front of everyone
stuff to get your validation, say "Hey! Wait your turn. How do you guys roll with this girl?!", and then give her another VERY sexual
playful look, then back off again. Even shoot her a touch on the shoulder and raise your eyebrows, and back off again. Often she'll
throw herself up in your face at this point, and from there you can work her directly because she's chosen you. With group theory,
and ignoring the target, that doesn't always mean *full* ignorance. It just means not making the friends socially uncomfortable, so
that you can benefit from the girl thinking "Wow, my friend love this guy", which can only help you. It doesn't mean get preoccupied and distracted from the goal, though, by being focused on the wrong things. Otherwise you'll get cases like the hot girls
walking off so their UG friend can have a chance with you, which some newbies have reported.
Again, much apologies to the guys to whom this is a blatantly obvious truism, but after some recent posts cropping up, I suppose
that it needed clarification.
Point is, once the girl has chosen you, you can get her comfortable (as posted in T/T recently) and sit her down and WORK.
For me, it is more efficient to bait the girl into chasing me within 1-2 minutes, then going in and having her screening me and
working against the current. Because I have my bodylanguage and confidence down fully, I am not concerned about being sexually
needy with my openers, and I know that the girls will take care of this for me 90% of the time without me having to verbally prompt
them (since my bodylanguage and vibe will do this for me).
2- When opening groups of guys, you can either work the guy and ignore the girl, work the guy until he's commited to not having a
prob with you being there and then move to the girl (this should take only seconds to 1 minute), or blowing the guy out completely
(this last one is easily done when you are 'alpha', because the girls give you so much attention so quickly, that the guys just give up
and walk away with their tail between their legs). I use all three, by using common sense.
I've seen some posts lately about what is better, going to the target or engaging the whole group. The answer is to use your brain
and common sense. Do what is natural and the path of least resistance in the particular situation.
The only rule of pickup is to be clearly cooler than the girl (I recall David D calling this "The Prime Directive: Never communicate
lower social value"). That being the case, take the path of least social resistance, based on what you can tell will obviously work.
Many of the rules of pickup as seen on ASF are generalities and ideas that are intended to make things run more smoothly, but
always need to be moderated by common sense.
My personal most common approach on guy/girl mixed sets is to engage the group, but the second the guy gives tacit consent to
me being there, I blow him out on the spot and engage the girl directly. This takes only seconds. Typically I prefer for him to stay
there, because I can eclipse him so strongly that him sitting there watching me only increases my status. This is like striking out like
a tiger or something. Like seriously, you go in and come across way cooler than the guy within seconds, and the instant that he
obviously is lower than you he is tooled and you cut into the girl and go for it. Still, if I see the girl is going crazy getting all wet by
me ignoring her, I'll keep it up. Some girls are just like that, and if I see it I calibrate by playing it out. Or the dude may be just a
cool guy, in which case I'll hang with him and I know he'll hook me up (which has happened to me many times). Either way, when
Mystery posts about engaging the group, he is not advising the kind of Social Robot behaviours that Style recently posted about.
Have I mentioned common sense? :)
3- "Cutting in". This term is something I yell at my wings when I see them fucking up and not cutting into the girl they want. You'll
hear me yell "CUT IN!"
On average, I need only engage the group between 30 seconds to 3 minutes before I have the girl I want chasing me. Mystery is
the same. He's usually in the corner with his girl in about 3-5 minutes, and making out with her in about 6-15. I differ slightly in
that I prefer to extract the girl from the club and makeout at the next venue, which I do within about 20 minutes, although
admittedly I'll do fast makeouts on workshop just to show off even though I don't always think its the best path at that time.

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This is where many guys go wrong with the active disinterest. I want the girl close to me ASAP (within 6 inches of my face). There
are a few ways I do this would include:
A-CUTTING IN: To cut in means to move closer to the girl, without being jumpy or nervous or getting too much in her face. It's like
how you would walk up to and pick up a cat without making it run off. I do so by turning my face sideways and looking distracted
for about half a second, and then closing in. Or turning my bodylanguage, or doing it on high points when she's giggly because she's
suggestable at that point and if she's giggly she won't object to escalation because she's not thinking logically. Because I don't shoot
into her face too abruptly, she doesn't get uncomfortable. This is done with bodylanguage. Very easy. Most guys make mistakes
here because they infringe on personal space too quickly, the girls lock up. Also, because they don't look confident, it looks
premeditated and too outcome dependent, which makes the girls feel uncomfortable like "What's he trying to pull?" instead of "This
fun alpha guy does whatever the fuck he wants and I don't question it because he's congruent."
Typically, I will have the girl engaged with my palms up and her hands on mine, so I can do IOI tests regularly to see where she's
at. The second she's ready to be pulled, I examine the social situation and make it happen or bridge and then venue change,
continue to solidify the bridge, or move to the next set. Oftentimes I am perched on a bar stool with my legs open and her leaning
in between them. This is the IDEAL PUA position, and is very important. If you read Herbals latest LR in Field Reports, you'll see him
talking about Mystery in this position, which is something I adopted from him and I've found very lethal. It's also great on so many
levels, because you can also put her hands on your knees, and lean back to see if she keeps them there, etc etc.
B-Use a routine: Another quick way is to run the trust test routine or something (like show her something on herself), to make her
have to come up to you in order for you to demonstrate whatever it is you're doing. Again, quick and easy.
C-Bait: The other way is something that you don't do, but that just happens. That's that oftentimes the girl will see her friends liking
you, and because of this she'll practically start molesting you. This is very common. The other night Twentysix is working a group,
and the hottest girl attacks him and pulls him home and fucks him within 45 minutes. Surprisingly not uncommon, although the
latter case is an obvious case of fool's mate, even though the 2 dash 6 is still happily dating her now.
D-Split the set with my wing: Here you just have a wing come in and chat the girls but ignore your girl, and you just move your
bodylanguage sideways and engage her in a conversation, so you can work easily here.
Notice here that regardless of how it goes down, I'm face to face with the girl within seconds to a few minutes (usually seconds to
one minute). This is not a case where I'm forced to engage the set for long. It's simple social common sense to work social
gatherings and to take the path of least resistance. You need not do so, its just often easier and more consistent if you do. Yes, girls
are picked up without group theory or any knowledge of ASF, so the aforementioned remarks are obvious truisms. The point is ease
and consistency.
The same goes for not facing the girls when you roll in. I've seen guys who have read old posts of mine where I've suggested to
enter the set initially sideways. This is the path of least resistance, and there is definetely no harm done in doing so, but oftentimes
it can help to make it open more smoothly. That said, it is important not to forget the part from that same post about "The second
she earns it, turn and face her". Her giving you her attention (Style calls this the "Hook Point") will usually happen within 1-15
seconds, and at that point you should be engaging them completely, and running your game on them. If it takes longer, wait. But
that's an error at that point, and you're in damage control (still, I've pulled many sets that opened awkwardly).
SUMMARY:
Get the girl engaged ASAP. Active Disinterest does not mean that you are A-Sexual. Use active disinterest and engage the group
when common sense tells you that it is the path of least resistance. If her interest level is at a point where you need not do so, then
don't. Mystery himself has done this as long as I've known him, and guys need not be concerned about losing sets by doing so. If
you detect that the friends WILL interfere, you can also re-engage them easily if you feel that that is the best move.
Anyway, hopefully this had some useful distinctions to some of you guys. To me this seems very obvious, but after browsing some
recent posts and seeing some guys in the field who had no previous real life interactions with PUAs, I felt that it was something may
have been in need of clarification.
I also recommend that guys go out and experiment with both extremely direct sexual approaches, and group theory / AD
approaches. This is the only way to gain calibration skills -> experimentation. Many guys will get stuck on one approach style, but
until you've made a style work and gotten laid with it, you don't even understand it enough to criticize it. If your game is smooth,
you should get good results regardless of style. The style that you develop is simply the most effective and consistent per individual.
Greetings from Sydney Australia, btw. I'm down here right now, and the girls here are *unreal* in some of the clubs and beaches.
I've had an amazing week, and I'm visiting with my sister who I haven't seen in two years - so obviously I'm having an amazing
time.

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THE BEGINNING, AND TRANSITIONING

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You may be going in a bit incongruent. Try coming up with openers that really happened, or going in with a stronger frame.
Frames are often dictated by vocal inflextions, like if your voice trails off in pitches that subcommunicate neediness and
approval seeking. On a bad night, even now, I can spot myself doing this - sets wont open well.
Just for kicks, experiment going in direct that you want a convo, but not a pickup. Like say Hey, whats up guys? Then go in
with something non-opinion, but just talking. Like I saw the funniest thing today.. (insert field tested light/funny story).
Then go immediately into the opinion opener.
The opinion openers purpose is to engage them. Like to give them the opportunity to have feedback, so sort of mini-qualify
them to stay another few minutes.
I dont open like this as much, but if Im finding that Im coming across like Im covering up that I really want to talk, Ill use it.
The difference is that youre admitting that you want to talk, but youre still getting the benefit of the structured opinion
opener.
If you look at the structure of the old Mystery Elvis or Ghandi openers, it was just walking up and starting to talk. No
opinion. Then he stacked. Opinion openers are more popular now because Style and myself use them, but really either type
can work.

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Add in more false time constraints. Ive really got to get out of here, Ive only got thirty seconds, or My friends are going
to kill me, but....
Use callback humour. Look up Setting Traps in my archive. Call them whatever funny thing, and then say Yeah, I go out
looking to pick up x-thing. Or say Youre very investigative. Youre like Nancy Drew.
Just blow it off and continue. Say Im talking.. and then continue like you didnt hear it. Or just say Cute and then keep
going.
Incidentally, for all the detailed structures Ill post about AMOGs or PU in general, I often just use dismissiveness. Like I just
ignore the problems and barrel through. I just post the other stuff because this is a chatboard and I like posting what Im up
to. But that doesnt mean its always necessary.
Is she always like this? How do you roll with her?! is a great line for many situations (I think it rocks and its very playful), but
not so much for this one.

A)

A structure could look like this (just an example, not necessarily followed):

opener
mini cold read to get them to bust out laughing (best friends test, the view, little sisters adoption, etc)
light funny story #2
mini cold read
light story #2
teach them something (Cs vs Us, or teach them about some cool facts or philosophy or reflexology or something)
Trust Test
Tension Test
Styles EV
CUBE
Comfort build by telling her about stuff youre passionate about, while slowly phase shifting and projecting sexual state
Kiss tactic
Build comfort a bit and joke around and qualify
Return her to her friends and tell them you guys are going to be getting to know eachother better and make them all like
you
pull or #close with plans

Watch Jerry Seinfeld: Comedian and see how he improves his material with constant trial and error. HAVE an opener, at least 2
stories, and something interesting to teach them.
Notice that in the structure, youre GEARING THEM DOWN a bit, from fun/funny, to intrigue/sexual.
B)

Youre not STACKING. OK pay attention to this, because its counter-intuitive. You can just stack topics. Like you can just
jump from one topic to the next. The split-second that you are done with the opinion opener, you can go Hey, I saw this.. it
rocked.. and continue. Then you can say Hey, did you know... and continue.. STACK. Dont worry about transitions or
anything, especially at a nighttime venue where it wont be apparent at all.

I understand that this will feel weird and be very counter-intuitive. But try it and report back. It works. I know its weird, but once
you try it youll see that it wont be questioned.
Awesome that youre in the field man. Keep it up. Great that youre posting your SPs. btw, add in more push/pull to it. Try:

You know what? You and I would not get along. You know why? Were too similar.... You wouldnt take my shit, and I
wouldnt take your shit. (From Mystery)
I hate you.. Actually wait, that may have come across wrong. I really really hate you. You know why? You remind me of
Justine from Grade 2. She always beat me at hot hands. Here, lets see.. and then do it.. (From Swinggcat, who incidentally I
think Im sarging with tonight at the White Lotus Club so if anyone in LA wants to go there and spy on us feel free, just please
keep out of the way as we are also on a day2 with some girls from earlier)
Youre weird..
Youre funny..

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Were broken up..

INITIATING APPROACHES ANGLES, MOVEMENTS

Here are the ways that I initiate approaches, off the top of my head.
Alright, Ill have a look at:
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)

STANDARD GROUP ABOUT TO LEAVE APPROACH

PLUNK DOWN APPROACH
C&F OBSERVATION APPROACH
OPERATION MAYHEM KINO OPENER APPROACH
LOW-KEY FASCINATION APPROACH
APPROACHING WITH A WING

1) STANDARD GROUP ABOUT TO LEAVE APPROACH:

MM guys will recognize this. All this I learned from Mys. This is typically for approaching GROUPS. I walk by, ask something (facing
sideways), and PRETEND like Im leaving, and then say Ill just sit down for a minute (<-- KEY, if it goes well, they NEVER care
that you stay longer, and it TOTALLY disarms their fears that youll be weird when you sit down, since they think youre leaving
shortly)
This is very disarming. If I can, Ill ask a question over my shoulder, and then start to walk off, make a comment on their reply,
start to walk off again, and finally act like their last comment was interesting, and say that Im going to sit down for a sec - or
maybe slowly start to face them and engage them in convo.
Basically, NEVER face them until theyre started to face YOU FIRST. Then, slowly lean from right foot to left again and again, and
slowly turn yourself to face them as they turn to face you.
ME (wearing my peacocked boots): Guys, check out these boots, first impressions??
THEM: astronaut?
ME: really, last girl said underwear model.. enough of you guys!

start to walk away

ME: OK wait... if you were an astronaut, what planet would you travel to??.. Mars, cause thats most like earth, or would it be like
Saturn, cause its got the cool orbiting-ring???
THEM: Saturn.. totally Saturn..

start to walk away, turn back one last time

ME: No, wait.. it should TOTALLY be Mars.. cause thats got like those space pools, and you could totally float through them, blah
blah blah... and on the trip, you could find all these insights about yourself.. like, check this out.. have you heard of the CUBE?? OK
I just have a minute, but I can show you.
Also, if you approach chicks at a restaurant when youre sitting down, the waitress will come in and ask you what youre ordering.
You always say: umm, well me and my friend have to talk about some things, and were sitting over there, but well order over
here.. Then you just dont move when it comes, assuming its going well.
If there is a HOT 2set (both chicks smoking hot), then they are typically UNOPENABLE. That means, use THIS approach, but do it on
an ADJACENT set. Then get TONS of attention and laughs, and MERGE the groups (either by them being curious and coming over to
check out whats going on, or make like you want a BIGGER opinion on some FUN issue, and motion to one of the people in your
group to grab one of the chicks in the adjacent 2set so you can ask her as well.. This is often the ONLY way).

2) PLUNK DOWN APPROACH:

Best for lone girls sitting down, but can be used for groups. Basically the plunk down approach. Ill walk up, and make it look like
Im utterly bored or maybe even exasperated, and am willing to chat her so that she can AMUSE me - IOW, that Im going to
emotionally leech off her. If I see a girl in a food court or a cafeteria, Ill just PLUNK down (*obviously* sit down right at her table,
making no excuses for it), take a deep breath, and make some FUNNY comment that shows Im bored or tired, and taking a break
to chat her purely to amuse myself. Perhaps Ill make her listen to my problems or stories, or tease her just for fun.. etc. etc..
When you initially sit down at her table or beside her on a bench or whatever, shell look at you funny of course. So when you sit
down, you do it in semi (not TOO MUCH, but make it obvious) exaggerated tired/or/fedup mode.
Thats it.. I cant even LOOK at another page of this fucking constructivism paper.. alright, do you know any girls looking support
me while I pursue a singing career?? Seriously, Im gonna start a new BOYBAND.. Ive just decided.. (make up funny group name
PARTICULAR to you, and then break into Kooper C&F Frames) Well be called the x-whatever-boys You can tour with us.. do you
know how to be a manager?? No actually you look more like a groupie.. yeah wait a sec, youre totally groupie material.. you are
definetely BAD.. Or ANYTHING that you can think of involves her supporting/helping you (IE: your reason for approaching), since
youre fed up with what youre doing, and C&Fframe roleplay it out..

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SIDENOTE: For some reason when you call girls bad it seems to crack them up.. again, I have no idea why, but it seems to have
something to do with C&F roleplaying, that they can imagine that they are badgirls.. I remember one of my GFs saying that she
wanted to be like the evil Nazi blonde girl from Die Hard 3.

3) C&F OBSERVATION APPROACH:

Basically, you just make a C&F observation on something, to make it look like you are AMUSING YOURSELF. Again, this has to be
COCKY funny, and not just a joke, otherwise you cant play at all hard to get, since the power is in her court. As with most C&F, this
approach will often scare off any chick that has LSE, or anything under a high calibre HB8.
Go in SEMI SIDEWAYS, and turn as she turns.

EXAMPLES:
GROCERY STORE: pick up the cat food and say this stuff is SO good.. shell laugh and make a look, and you say I mean for
my CAT.. and then do a bodyturn-around takeaway where you turn your back to her and pretend that shes too lame to talk
to.
CLOTHING STORE: put on a RIDICULOUS article of clothing, and pose in it.. ask her what she thinks. If youre at a store with
urban gear, pick the XXXL and throw it on.. Tell her that youre going to be a rapper (break into C&F frames).. Put on 4 watches
on each arm, wear the hat sideways. Of try on ANYTHING that clearly does not suit you. Like an old man shirt, and say Im
ready to hit the LINKS
CD STORE: pickup an Ashanti or Britney CD, and say this is AWESOME.. shell look at you weird, and then you just crack up..
CAMPUS STREET: Point to a guy walking (NOT a total loser who she will feel sorry for, and think youre a jerk), and make a
comment on him. That guy over there, thats my buddy...... OK listen, hes TOTALLY GAY, and he was just saying that he
LOVES those shoes youre wearing.. what kind are they?? Shell reply sketchers or something.. Then WAVE at the guy and
say whats up.... point down very obviously at her shoes and say sketchers, so that hell nod half laughing like WTF??.. Now
hell give you that this guy is fucking obnoxious look, and the chick will pickup on it.. Then you say see... totally gay with a
FUCKED UP semi-smile and big eyes, where youre holding your face pose for too long, so shell wonder if youre joking or not
and ask you.. Then you use your C&F expressive mode, and keep the joke up.. When she asks you his name, say with gayaccent, ummm.. Roberto.. or wait, THAD. (this approach can sometimes piss off certain girls, but ALL street approaches
where you stop a girl on the move have that possibility.. If you know of any that dont, post them, cause Im clueless)

ANYWHERE: Point at a wigger/rapper/skateboarder kid (kid with baggy jeans that show his underwear), and say plummer in
training... This is a decent line, but its more in the C&F DELIVERY than the line. The David D J-Lo is in the house or what do you
think?? 900 pounds?? is a similar approach. Just make fun of something, so long as its harmless. It makes you look like the jerkalpha captain of the football team, that she dreamed about in high school.

4) OPERATION MAYHEM KINO OPENER APPROACH:

If you see a chick you like, throw snowball at her or drive your shopping cart into her. Walk through her and give coy smile, or grab
magazine out of her hand and bop her on the head with it. As you bop her, smile and say Cosmo?!?! aaahfff/.. Loser!!
You can be facing her directly, it doesnt matter.
A non-facing directly way would be to tap her on the WRONG shoulder, and laugh at her while she tries to figure out who did it. I
cant believe that still works! (transition into childhood regressions, Koopers C&F frames)
5) LOW-KEY FASCINATION APPROACH:
For lone girls. Good in LINEUPS, or BOOKSTORES. When youre beside her (because of the line, or perhaps the book), go into
Gunwitch type sexual state, so that you appear kind of sophisticated. A little bit lower bedroom type tone, face forward but turn
your head sideways. Youre both positioned in one direction, but turn your heads towards eachother to talk.
Your PURPOSE for talking, is that youre thinking of something FASCINATING/INTERESTING.
Comment on how fascinating something is. I just saw the most fascinating thing. If youre stuck, then go into Jamie Lee Curtis
Opener, or Lord of the Rings Opener. Better yet, comment on something in the CONTEXT, such as the book that shes reading and
how its fascinating, or how something relates to something else.
A great one is to bullshit some kind of historical context to something that youre looking at. If youre in a big American city, you can
say that a famous mobster got gunned down. If youre in Europe, you can bullshit some kind of fascinating art-history reference,
about some guy committing suicide over a lost love or something.
If she doesnt buy it, then move into C&F style where you make fun of how you B.S.ed her and tease that shes gullible. -OR-, just
shift into that ANYWAY, regardless of whether she buys it or not.
Also if shes relaxed on a couch or something, just make a comment on how relaxing something is.. If she stretches it feels so good
to have a good stretch, etc... Its LOW-KEY shit, for LOW-KEY SITUATIONS where busting out all obnoxious-like is inappropriate,
and possibly not the way that she wants to be approached given her mind-state.
Same goes for old Mystery line for the gym, You know, I think that most people here are probably thinking about like, how theyre
gonna get like this wicked body.. or like.. maybe how theyll make a bunch of $$$.. what are YOU thinking about?.... Its LOW KEY.
This is basically the format that GUNWITCH talks about, in The Gunwitch Method text. He discusses doing PU at magazine racks,
and this is how I initiate GMW PUs, except perhaps with something even more neutral if its going to be PURE GMW. (often, I use
pure-neutral GMW, when I get that chick-radar thing that FORMHANDLE was discussing, where the chick is subconsciously inviting a
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6) APPROACHING WITH A WING:
When approaching with a wing, NEVER approach with BOTH PUAs. NEVER NEVER NEVER.. OK, not NEVER.. but RARELY.
The SOLE way that I can think of for approaching 2 at a time, is as youre walking by, start cracking up with your wing, and go
guys guys guys.. OK get this.. were debating.. this is MAAAAAD important!...........(wait for intrigued/shocked look).... do you
brush before floss, or floss before brush??? ....... or you can say guys, guys.. this guy is thinking of doing something EXTREME..
hes gonna dye his hair TOTALLY BLONDE for TV... whats the verdict???... but thats only AS YOURE WALKING BY.. You cant
approach people huddled into their little AFC-club circles like that, and have it open consistently.
Now that aside, the PROPER way to approach when you have a wing is to approach ONE at a time, or barring that, to IMMEDIATELY
FRACTIONATE.
That means, that one guy approaches, and after roughly 2-minutes, your buddy walks up, leans his elbow on your shoulder, and
says whats up buddy??.. You make it look like youre the two coolest guys in the world, and youre totally the A-Crowd, and
youre chatting eachother. Then, you fill in your wingman on the convo, and get his opinion.
If you approach BOTH at the same time, IMMEDIATELY FRACTIONATE. That means that one of the wings says Ill be back in a
bit.. and leaves.. THEN he comes back.
In correspondence with No9, I asked him what he thought of this issue (given a very funny fuckup that wed had that previous
weekend).. He wrote back:
YES. 1 guy should approach, then the other drops in. PERIOD. That should be our MO always. hell, they shouldnt even notice
the two of us together until the 2nd guy redezvous up. We will take turns approaching. They all know that they are being gamed,
but just like you can stroke a trapped rabbit so thats its relaxed before you break its neck, you need to lead them on a gradual
slope where they forget .. just like when youre watching a really good movie, you dont bust out thinking, what is this shit? you
cant get superpowers from a radioactive spider. ..... (No9)
So as you can see, the prob with 2 guys approaching is that it has PREDATORY written all over it, which at clubs is often
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HOW TO PICK UP, FOR REAL

WARNING: THIS POST DOES NOT CONTAIN MENTAL-MASTERBATION OR DELUSIONS OR STUPID SHIT. ALL CONTENT OF THIS
POST IS ACTUALLY FIELD TESTED AND SHOWN TO BE EMPIRICALLY VERIFIABLE. ANY PEOPLE WHO ARE INTO ARMCHAIR
SEDUCTION MAY FIND THE CONTENTS OF THIS POST OFFENSIVE.
OK, since Im half asleep at 5am and in a rambly mood, you guys are getting privileged to the REAL way to PU, as opposed to the
way that Destin9 suggests.
I am very pissed off at that article (as seen in my comments in the thread below), and I know it will fuck people up, so Im typing
out how to do REAL street approaches. This will be MESSY cause I am dosing in and out of consciousness.
Alright, Im very tired but Ill try to sum-up some of the shit from my other posts.. If I sound arrogant or whatever its cause Im
pissed off by reading that Destin9 bullshit, because that Ursula Lidstrom book fucked me up for over 8-months (a book that
advocates the exact same thing, although I STILL recommend it on account of its advice on BODYLANGUAGE which is even tighter
than GWM, and certain attitudes, although you need to IGNORE the rest of the content)..

BODYLANGUAGE:

HOW TO PICKUP:

COLD APPROACHES:
You spot a chick you want. Now the most important thing is how you FACE her.
You roll up, and you dont face her UNTIL she is facing YOU. That means, if she is turned totally away from you, you literally TURN
YOUR NECK ENTIRELY BACKWARDS while you talk, and ONLY turn when she turns.
Then, as she says stuff that she PERCEIVES as you being impressed by, you THEN
turn to face her. This causes her to have the perception that
1)
2)

you are not needy/desperate/lame

she said something WORTH you staying

Have you ever won some stupid contest for a cracker-jack prize or some shit, and went and claimed it??? Even though if you had
already owned it, and forgot it at the store, you never would have gone to even pick it up cause its so LAME.. but still, since you
WON it, you go pick it up??? Thats what this is like.
Give her the impression that youre only staying to talk because SHE said something that interested you to stay. Again, do this by
ONLY turning once she is turning FIRST.
The only exception is you can do little tests, like turning quickly towards her, to SEE if shell BITE and turn herself.
MAKE HER TRY TO GET RAPPORT WITH YOU.
Then, after you get that, THEN start mirroring her and all that shit.
Mirroring is FANTASTIC for getting deep rapport.
Finally, when you phase shift, use very sexual body language.
The sequence in my gear shifting post was:

C&F until she tries to get rapport with whats your name or some variant
rapport
phase shift

So you turn away and make her TRY to get rapport with this cocky/funny guy, then you turn towards her normally, THEN when you
phase shift you do the sexy body language (EC, triangular gazing, sidelong glances, lip licking, hair sifting, open palms, soft tonality,
etc etc)
WARM APPROACHES:
If you have AI (approach invitation), then it is OK to use a more direct bodylanguage, or even the hi opener.
On warm approaches, feel free to go into phase shift bodylanguage right away, if shes comfortable with it.

OPENERS:
For non-club PU (my absolute expertise, although my club game is getting kinda tight non-club is still way better), experiment with
PROJECTING VALUE in your opener. That means that what you do/say projects VALUE to the chick, right off the opener. Some
things of value to chicks are:

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imaginative
funny
intriguing
frame-setting (sets challenges right off the opener)
opinion
kino/dominance-establishing
role playing

Here are some QUICK examples, although I could go on ALL DAY on this.
FUN:
Hey, check out that kid on Santas lap.. wow, remember when x,y,z childhood memories??
IMAGINATIVE:
whoa, that is a NICE aquarium.. look at that.. OMG, we should totally hit up the bio-chem department, and get shrunk down like
BARBIE AND KEN.. then we could swim around behind that coral right there.. see that.. and totally go on like an underwater
adventure like in the Little Mermaid.. dont get any ideas though, Ken dolls do not come FULLY EQUIPPED (this reverses the frame
at the end as well as an added benefit)
FUNNY:
(pick up the LAMEST CD in the store, like something totally ridiculous) OMG.. OMG.. this CD is fucking A-W-E-S-O-M-E..... pause
for effect while she is gauging if youre serious...... hahahhahahahah (so you just break out laughing, but not too obnoxious..
laughter is CONTAGIOUS, so take advantage)
You can use the same formula with CAT FOOD in a grocery store, or WHATEVER..
Humour = stuff that doesnt go together.
INTRIGUING:
I just saw the most fascinating thing.. In this newspaper article (whatever, Jamie Lee Curtis story about her fatness or whatever)
(Ricki Lake even qualifies under this category, although I dont use it myself)
FRAME-SETTING:
damn.. I-AM-SICK of this cafeteria food.. do you know how to cook? no?? ok were broken up then, Im going to find a woman who
can cook.. (while she cracks up, talk to another chick)... OK, so you cant cook.. well what else do you have going for you??? are
you adventurous (transition to Swingcat style qualifying)
Again, youre qualifying her right off the OPENER. This is very POWERFUL..
more than stupid hi, I want to meet you
OPINION:
do girls think that David Bowie is hot? (better than hi, because she actually ENJOYS giving her opinion on stupid shit like this)
KINO/DOMINANCE-ESTABLISHING:
wack her with a magazine... tap her.. as she walks towards you, make funny faces, and if she returns them then pretend to punch
her while you grab her around her waist and start walking with her youre cuuuuute.. youll make a nice new girlfriend I think..
(Zan style line).. Follow this with QUALIFYING wait a sec though, can you cook and you are MOTHERFUCKING IIIIIINNNNNN LIKE
FLYYYYNN BABY!!!!
ROLEPLAYING:
This is my ABSOLUTE TIGHTEST mall opener. This is SO FUCKING TIGHT I GUARANTEE nobody has tighter than this in a clothing
store.
Grab a stupid jacket off the rack, and say whoa, this is SWEET.. I should try this on NOW.. check this out.. .... then start moving
to the mirror, and hopefully shell start to come.. then GRAB BACK another jacket, the SAME ONE that you have. So now you BOTH
try on the stupid jacket, and look in the mirror as you both look THE SAME. Put your arm around her like its for a silly-picture, and
look in the mirror together.
Notice that this is EXTREMELY POWERFUL, because she is looking at the TWO OF YOU TOGETHER, wearing the SAME STUPID SHIT.
It is ROLEPLAYING that you are like together or something already, like a stupid couple.
Then say we should STEAL THESE, and watch her reaction, as you either playfully go along plotting how to do it, or she says NO.
If she says no, then GRAB HER STUFF, and PRETEND like youre running out the door with it..
Shell tackle you, and then you say, know what?? i know a better way to make $$$.. I need a RICH girl.. and start QUALIFYING
HER, the same way as the girl who cooks qualifier from the FRAME-SETTING opener from above.

MID-GAME / EARLY / ATTRACTION:

OK, for mid-game, you have to GAUGE how much C&F and various other attracters she needs, in order for HER to try to get rapport
with YOU. KEEP FUCKING WITH HER UNTIL SHE TRIES TO GET RAPPORT.
That means, do stuff like:

lying game
kiss game
CUBE/SFields/4Questions
calling her bad

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calling her powerpuff girl

a billion other Cocky&Playful things

I do ALL of these C&F. The lying game I use to tease her and ask her funny questions. Kiss game is just PURE COCKY and works
AMAZING (read post TD&26 vs. some lame club chicks). CUBE I make fun of her with, and qualify her.

THEN DO STUFF THAT IS F-U-N:

make her spin around and asking her if she knows how to DANCE (this on the street)
make her TEACH YOU HER DANCE MOVES right on the street
try on CLOTHES together
teach her an ESP trick, and use it to FOOL PEOPLE together
poke her and tickle her
steal something from her and make her try to wrestle it from you

MID-GAME / LATE / RAPPORT:

Now ONLY AFTER youve done this stuff, will she say:
whats your name?
where do you work?
etc etc etc..
What you do is SHIFT GEARS SLOWLY.
You answer with GUESS for the first TWO questions or so, and THEN you just ask ONLY what she asks you.
HER: whats your name
YOU: guess (but now switched OUT of C&F tonality into NORMAL tonality, so its still SWITCHING gears, but NOT TOO FAST since
youre using guess)
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:

tom
no
cliff
no..
whaaaaat????
TylerDurden.. whats yours?
HBslut
cool.. I like that.. (compliment is FINE now, since shes interested)
what do you do?
guess.. (NON-C&F tone.. NORMAL TONE)
hahah.. ummm ok.. accountant..
haha.. no Im definetely not that.. Im (x-realjob)

Then let her ask you questions, and ask them back, LIKE NORMAL.. NO GAME FROM HERE ON OUT, JUST NORMAL GETTING TO
KNOW EACHOTHER LIKE DESTIN9 WANTS.
MOST IMPORTANTLY:
G-E-T === R-A-P-P-O-R-T
I MEAN it.. Get DEEP rapport with the chick, so she fucking LOVES you and feels CONNECTED to you.
If you have laid the GROUNDWORK with the COOL opener (like one of the ones I suggested), and the C&F shit that projects the
value that you are COCKY and FUN and PLAYFUL and CHALLENGING, then she will LOVE and RELISH getting to know you.
***AGAIN, the cocky shit is to get from POINT A (indifferent to you) to POINT B (attracted to you). If you have APPROACH
INVITATION YOU DO NOT NEED THIS STUFF AND IT MAY POSSIBLY PUSH THE SEDUCTION BACKWARDS.
If you have AI, you CAN use the hi and all that bullshit, to great success.
The point is, though, GET RAPPORT. This is KEY. When you do a PURE C&F sarge, you must either FUCK CLOSE, or accept the
FLAKE. This is because she comes out of state IMMEDIATELY after you leave, since you have NO RAPPORT. VERY FEW CHICKS will
actually meet you for a get-together if you have no rapport, no matter HOW MUCH C&F you did, and how much she was loving it.
FORMULA = C&F to get ATTRACTION, conversation/geniune to get RAPPORT.
Make her EARN the genuine rapport building conversation by showing you how PLAYFUL she is.
The SAME conversation that would have been LAME had you not laid down the GROUNDWORK, will seem CHARGED. TRUST ME, go
TRY IT.

ENDGAME:
To SEAL THE DEAL, either use GUNWITCH METHOD SEXUAL STATE PROJECTION, or use a PHASE SHIFT ROUTINE.
GUNWITCH METHOD CLOSE: Use TRIANGULAR GAZING (someone should post a LINK to a site with the explanation, cause Im too
tired to explain this in detail). Look at her lips and eyes, lips and eyes, lips and eyes.. Tilt your head, lick your lips, touch her hair,
lips and eyes, lips and eyes, lips and eyes, move closer, move closer, lips and eyes, KISS.
PHASE SHIFT CLOSER ROUTINE: Are you intuitive? OK.. Are you intelligent? OK..

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Do you understand to follow directions? OK.. Give me your hands..
Take her hands, and run some ring based routine, or palm-reading or some BULLSHIT.. Then talk about soul-gazing and romans and
how they knew emotional crap.. Then talk about emotions and it being ALL YOU NEED IN LIFE, and do The EVOLUTION PHASE
SHIFT KISS CLOSE (check the Style/CPowles archive for it.. you grab her hair and say its a natural spot and feels good, and to do it
to you, etc etc)
THEN, either ISOLATE, or talk softly and fun about FUTURE GET TOGETHER.
If you dont isolate and same-day f-close, FUCK THE #CLOSE and get a MEET with the chick. Maybe get the #, but REMEMBER that
she may have a LIVE IN BOYFRIEND or HUSBAND, so do NOT push the #. Get the MEET, and make it CONVENIENT for yourself to
get there on the chance that she flakes.
For meets, I suggest taking her somewhere that is absolutely COST FREE, and gets her adreneline going. Try taking her to a strip
where they have sexy/outrageous clothing, and try it on with her.

THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DESTIN9S WAY, AND THE WAY THAT IVE POSTED HERE, WHICH
IS THE R-E-A-L WAY:
Destin9s way of PUing does not provide you with the chance to PROJECT VALUE to the chick, outside of your LOOKS.
Basically, Destin9 wants you to just go up, confident, say hi, and cross your fingers. The ONLY good thing about it I guess is that
you had the balls to approach, which is KINDA good, but still not usually enough for ELITE HOT CHICKS.
The confidence that guys like Twentysix or I have now, after 4 nights per week or NON STOP SARGING is probably enough, because
we can FOLLOW it with TIGHT STUFF and have a PUA AURA. But for ANY guy who hasnt laid many many chicks yet, or hung out
non-stop with a guy who has and modelled him, this approach is BULLSHIT.
This way, you project yourself as FUN/EXCITING/CHALLENGING/CONFIDENT.. Plus, by kiss closing by the end of the first
encounter, you really set the frame for an early lay.
Just remember that PARTY GIRLS can OMIT the RAPPORT, while LIBRARIAN GIRLS can omit large chunks of the C&F/ATTRACTION.
Girls who are IN BETWEEN can just take some of EACH.
What Ive written here is the REAL SHIT, FIELD TESTED, and actually REAL.
Use the Destin9 way, but ONLY AFTER you have ESTABLISHED VALUE on yourself. THEN do it her way. Her way lets the GIRL
CHOOSE what your value is, based on your LOOKS primarily (though I suppose a LITTLE BIT by your confidence, since you did
approach and all, but still mostly by looks when it comes to the hotties)
Fuck all this other bullshit, this is HOW TO SARGE.
Good night, time for TylerD to go to sleep after a long night of sarging. I am fucking exhausted, and apologize for this post
probably being shitty.. The content should still be good, if de-cyphered. I just really wanted to type this up on account of that lameass Destin9 shit that I read, that fucked me up so bad for 8 months when I read the same shit from some other FEMALE seduction
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STREET SARGING
I can stop street moving targets with over 80% consistency, no problem (in GOOD weather only, not bitter-cold winter weather) - so
do NOT believe the hype, it CAN be learned..
This is a more rare skillset that many PUAs (not all, but most) long believed to be impossible to do consistently, and took me a while
to figure out, but now I can teach it in under 5 minutes now to other PUAs that I meet up with, and once you know it its really easy
- not complicated at all.. even easier than opening in a club..
Focus on backing into the chick as she walks up, from a sideways angle, and looking REALLY low-key and soft spoken.. NONTHREATENING - face backwards and turn your neck, and when shes around 6 feet away start to use the DAVID BOWIE opener..
She will usually NOT stop initially, and start to pass you, which you just twist your neck more, but do NOT under ANY circumstances
shift your feet position.. shell wonder why you didnt try to chase her down, and feel rude for not stopping to talk to you, since her
initial reaction will be that you are a sidewalk solicitor or some sort (which btw, if later in the sarge she says she thought that you
were a soliticor, its a great-op to do a backturnaround mini-takeaway neg in a playful way).. that will gain alot of trust, and shell
come back to YOU so that she does all the work of facing you.. dont turn around to face her.. just keep your neck twisted until she
walks over to face you..
The elements that stop her are:

non-threatening bodylanguage / open / palms up

super relaxed tonality, even EXAGGERATEDLY relaxed like youre stoned, in order to disarm
moving VERY slow
talking very slow
not turning to face her, which shows no neediness
EVERYTHING focused on disarming her, by looking relaxed/nonthreatening/easygoing
say hey first.. hey... do girls think that David Bowie is hot.. then wait for her to keep passing, and turn to come back to you
out of curiousity if you were addressing her, which is clear since you ARE turning your neck to her and trying to give EC..

Dude, do NOT worry about giving extended EC to a chick on the street before you approach or trying to force an AI.. its great and
all if it works out, but its irrelevant if you cant get it.. its just a stereotype..
Then switch gears once shes initiated..
Ask her the David Bowie question, and immediately start calling her a bad girl or some stupid shit like that, so shell get all wet
and want to stay and talk..
This will get you laid like you wouldnt believe, because chicks have ZERO bitch shield on the street, since theyre fully convinced
that its serindipitous to meet on the street, and that its some intervention/destiny/fate that you met in such an unusual and
romantic place.. with practise you can get chicks to blow off work/school/chores just to insta-date this wonderful guy who came out
of nowhere, and you can push it for full close same day since she doesnt want to break the magic..
If she asks why you asked, you either tease her on it, or say that you are totally shy with women and that you saw her and wanted
to meet her, and you just said the first thing that popped into your mind, since your little sister was saying earlier that she thinks
that David Bowie is hot.. (if shes a stupidly hot bitchy peacocky HB9+ then tease her, if below then convey vulnerability)
Also, if I were you, Id drive over to San Diego and hookup with Manifestis and Ozwald, who can show you how its done, because its
really difficult to post it in detail over the internet.. I know that Manifestis can do it very consistently now, and the girls on his
campus are really hot.. in addition, UCSD is a top location for sarging..
Papa will also be in San Fransisco next week, and Id suggest trying to meet up with him, because youll shit your pants when you
meet your first fellow underground-cyberculture PUA in real life (see my post above).. especially Papa who is an animal..
Good luck dude, I hope this helped..
fuck I wish I could publish a book with pictures and diagrams and videoclips of this shit, cause its really hard to convey over the
internet.. I hope this translates properly..
OK, a diagram.. Arrows denote feet position, face position is just written.
Also when I post this, it deletes some spaces I made, but you should be still a few feet to the side of her walking path. (in this
diagram, that would be a bit to the right of the screen)
1)
|startwalking-normalspeed
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V HBSTREET
>------JLAIXstartwalking-slowspeed (feet facing RIGHT of screen, but neck turned to LEFT of the screen)
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>---JLAIX (looking at bottom of screen, feet still same)
|
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V HBStreet (face though is now looking back up to see if you were talking to her)
3)

JLAIX (looking at bottom of screen, feet still same)

|
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^ (now feet AND face fully turned to see you, and walk back up to chat you)
4)
>-J <-HB (now facing eachother)
OK hopefully thats more clear dude.. its the best that I can do, and its heavily field tested.. hopefully helpful.. good luck.
Another good way is to HIGH-5 as you walk by (smile and say high-5 which no chick can resist except LSE who will look at you
weird), which doesnt require all this stuff from the diagram, since shell giggle and turnaround, and you can go back and grab her
right hand with yours, her left hand with yours (so your arms are crossing eachother), and spin/twirl her dance-move style, and say
youre my new best friend.. I love you I want to adopt you, which shell giggle more, and initiate you instantly..
yikes I just jumped out of bed to append this..
The PROPER line is OMG I LOVE that whatever-accessory (pick one no matter how dull).. I love you Im going to adopt you.. and
then you can grab her and hug her and spin her in circles, then give a high-10 with both hands and say you rock..
(this is AFTER the initial high-5, her turning around to wonder who you are, you running back, and doing the dancemove spin)
Shell be laughing and giggling her ass off, and from there youve conveyed MASSIVE value to the chick, because you appear
playful, fun, outgoing, confident, alpha, implicit social proof (you wouldnt do this unless OTHER chicks liked it), you demonstrated
ability to use physical force (by spinning her she gets turned on feeling your strong muscles grabbing her and lifting her), and she
will INSTANTLY start saying whats your name?? where are you from?? (lame chick IOIs)
So since shes already turned on instantly, STOP conveying value, and just go rapport and use Gunwitch Method style phase shift
and bridge or close.. that means TOTALLY GENUINE - NO GAME whatsoever, or else risk overqualifying yourself.. just get to know
eachother and focus on building connection (unless party chick, or super hottie with bitch shield, then neg the fuck out of her)..
btw, for any guys who have just come to ASF, YES you can fix your no girlfriend problem THIS FAST.. You can go from no sex to
having a hot chick in your life within SECONDS.. Value is conveyed within seconds, not days, weeks, or months.. I can steal the
chick youve pined over and supposedly worked on THIS FAST..
ASF WORKS.. :)
Thats my little Anthony Robbins motivational speech of the day!.. go test, this shit is fucking fun! :)
First off, wanted to mention that David Bowie Opener is, IME, the best street opener for moving targets ever. Everyone who has
met me and seen it done (many PUAs), have agreed when seeing it on street. It also opens in clubs, but street is amazing.
YOU: do girls think that David Bowie is hot? (back in to her slowly, and do it VERY VERY LOW KEY.. dont point your body when you
ask, until she turns to address you)
HER: umm.. yeah I think so..
YOU: hey wait a sec.. oh no.. its always bad girls who like David Bowie.. you are BAD.. (if she does NOT like him, then say yeah,
good girls like him cause hes rebellious... you must be a bad girl)
HER: hahahah...
YOU: oh no, I definetely cant hang with you..
HER: hahaha..
(the LSEs or girls totally not interested will say OK I cant hang with you.. the rest will go no no no)
YOU: ok, well aside from being a bad girl, what do you have going for you? are you adventurous?
HER: yes.. (insert utterly lame story that a chick perceives as being adventurous here)
YOU: hmmm.. ok, maybe you can hang with me.. but first, theres a test (JUGGLERS GIRLFRIEND TEST)
After thats done, shell start asking you:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:

whats your name?

guess..
umm... steve
no..
umm.. cliff
no..
I dunno!
hahah., I cant believe you guessed all those..

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Now move into RAPPORT and STOP ballbusting her for 5 mins or so, then move into heavy patterning for 3-4 minutes.. then
(Dreamweaver did this, forgot where he got it)
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:
HER:
YOU:

do you have good intuition?

Id like to think so...
do you have good intelligence?
hahha Id like to think so..
do you understand directions?
yes?
give me your hands.. (put your hands face up)

HER: OK..
Do palmread or a ring-based routine or some gimmicky crap revolving around discussing EMOTIONS while you touch her hand.. the
convo has to be about emotions here.
YOU: you know, people have all of these elaborate constructs in society now.. but for thousands of years, people got by just on
emotions..
Then do CPOWLES (Style) famous EVOLUTION PHASE SHIFT KISS CLOSE (found in the Style Archive if you dunno), and B-O-O-M...
Approx 20 minute sarge, stopping the moving target, kissing her... theres more to this, but its a very basic skeleton..
Manifestis has this almost mastered right now, and just hadnt had the guts to kiss-close until last night (but had girls on the street
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SHORT SET METHOD

I realized tonight that all of my pivots are GRADUATING next year, and that Im really going to be in trouble for social proof next
year..
No big deal.. I figured to start rebuilding the pivot group tonight.
I head out to the campus clubs, all decked out peacocked, with around 10 girls on my arms (my pivots were in the house).
Earlier in the day, I met this guy in the library who told me that hed downloaded some of Ross Jeffries stuff from Kazaa and could
PU chicks.. So I invited him out with me, to see what he could do.
He basically just sat there while girls molested me the whole night, going dude, HOLY FUCK, where did you learn this shit???? Did
you PATTERN them or something??? Did you elicit their values???
I didnt bother telling him about fastseduction.com, because I dont need another PUA in my town, and he had no natural skills (I AM
on the lookout for a guy with some natural skills that I can train as a wing for next year though.. so maybe the lucky contestant will
appear hopefully soon)
Anyway, I went around the club doing my usual stuff that Ive posted in the past.
Girls would start telling me Im soooo drunk.. can you take me home? I just want to get out of here..
I thought that was pretty lame-ass, and busted on them for it.. Then I went around the ENTIRE bar mingling with every person in it.
This gets me to my POINT:

SHORT SET METHOD.

In more low-key places, instead of running long sarges, I just bounce around the room chatting up everyone, and then I sit back
and wait for the chicks to come to ME.
I have all these short little fun routines that I do, which Ill post a seperate thread later.
So anyway, by the way that I figure it, I met and made very memorable impressions on around 100 hot girls tonight.
If I were to do this everynight, in a small college town like mine, Id be easily the most socially proofed guy on the entire campus.
I got all the girls I chatted tonight to say that theyd meet me later, and that wed go out and shit like that.. I didnt follow through
with any of them for specific times, because I have a date already for tommorow, and then the ever-anticipated MODEL
CONVENTION with Superslicka for this weekend (I am EXCITED)..
Anyway, I just thought that Id type this up, for guys who live in towns where they see the bar/club regulars frequently, because it
seems to be a great way of doing things. For guys who live in big cities, this is less useful since you wont see the chicks on other
occassions in all likelihood.. Although the method still works awesome either way, but you just have to close same night, and not
count on future encounters.
For me, I am assured that Ill see every one of these chicks again also during the daytime on campus. And ALL of them will be
INSTANT-DATE candidates, practically for a sure thing.
Ill post more about short-set method later, which is an awesome way of doing less NYC/LA/Toronto-ish type clubs, that Im really
enjoying.
I first got the idea for this from Manifestis, who learned it from Craig (eliminidate guy).. Papa and I have since developed it into an
art-form, and it fucking rocks..
Ill post details soon, but in the meantime, anyone curious, just try bouncing around the club chatting up every set for like 30s1minute TOPS, getting high-5s / hugs / kisses / spin-maneuvres, and then just ejecting..
Fun shit.. seems to be working awesome. I had no less than 5 girls try to get me to take them home tonight, but I just kept going
and going as an experiment to see what would happen. (also had 2 dates today, and was massively spent..)
Afterwards I sarged these girls in the 24hour grocery store, and married both of them and got plans for next week with the hottie. I
opened them with whats the best after bar food ladies? and then they giggled, and I said hey, Im SUPER SHY around girls..
dont giggle at me.. Im so shy! Im never going to chat girls ever again because of YOU!.. then I called them powerpuff girls and
teased the shit out of them, and followed that with around 30 minutes of rapport with talk about relationships and how much I miss
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MORE ON SHORT SET METHOD

SHORT SET METHOD IS NOT A SARGING METHOD. It is a method that shakes girls loose, out of difficult situations to sarge them in.
My friends and I have found that you cant consistently run long sets with good results, in bars or clubs with regulars.. They are not
accustomed to people coming in and taking over their group.
Instead, just go up, say a quick funny/playful thing, and leave.. do this several times, until the girls come back and approach you..
otherwise they get uncomfortable.. this way is much better, and the only way that I know of to do clubs with regulars.
You will find that if you go around the venue just MINGLING like this, by the end of the night if youve initiated 30 girls, at least 5
will come back to you who are interested, and make it very easy to extract from the club.
This is also VERY useful for LOUD clubs, where long sets are not feasible. In fact, its the ONLY way that weve figured out to sarge
the super-elite Guvernment club in Toronto (where the BIG BOYS go out to play, against the HOTTEST targets..
http://www.theguvernment.com/ )
Twentysix pulled his hot new GF from this club, using this method. Him and Papa went and high-fived EVERYONE in the massive
club like 5 times each for four straight hours, until they had girls coming up to them like high-5 guys! you guys rock!.. And they
had girls grabbing them and making out with them and dancing around them like they were the most money guys in the club.
Twentysix laid that girl, and posted about it in his LR: taking off a bra report.
SHORT SET METHOD:

high fives (leave)

high tens (leave)
on the flipside high-5 (leave)
thumb wrestling (cheat to win and yell that you beat her, leave)
whoa whoa whoa.. watch out!! (leave)
whoa whoa whoa.. watch out girl this shit aint for free! At least one foot of space at all times.. (then hug, leave)
SPIN MANEUVRE / twirl (leave)
block a high-traffic area unintentionally, say no passing without the password.. whats the password? (leave)
elbow/hip bumping (leave)
mini cold reads whoa check out this girl.. she is fiesty (leave)
do girls think that scoobie doo is a sexy dog? what about clifford, the big red dog? do you think that garfield is a sexy cat?
what about odie? is curious george a sexy monkey? (leave)
washroom security! (leave)
pull toques over eyes, pull accessories, snap bra straps (leave)
ask for I.D. (leave)
punching match/mercy fight (leave)
hot hands / slaps (leave)
you guys are so cute! powerpuff girls! Im going to adopt you! (leave)
finish any of these with youre my new girlfriend and walk away

OR, just make an offhanded comment:

dude, my buddy was an INCH away from getting recruited to Kuwait for army-duty.. HOLY SHIT.. (leave)
dude, did you see x-amazing thing??? holy fuck! (leave)

You can also STACK a few of these, and then leave. Most often I stack a few
and then leave.
Then, when the chicks come re-initiate you, run standard MM, or just extract.
So you basically run 30 second sets, over and over and LEAVE while they still like you and want more.. this is similar to a NEG,
because unlike every other guy, you leave even though theyre showing IOIs..
Then theyll eventually come to you.. this is much easier than running standard MM in bars with regulars, because it makes them
uncomfortable when you linger..
Also, at the end of the bar, situate yourself in a high-traffic area, like in front of the washroom or something, so that way the chicks
will have to get by you, and you can run your 30 second sets on them as well.. in short order, you have goofed on everyone in the
bar, and you are the shit.
This method is field tested to shit, and we have had many successful sarges using it. Extractions, new GFs, etc etc..
It is playful and fun. Less imposing than STANDARD LONG SET method. Bear in mind we are also College aged guys. So no
comments that this isnt sophisticated enough, because it works well for us. I DO think it could for anyone, but I dont know since I
havent walked in other peoples shoes.
Use it depending on the situation. It is best for low-key venues with regulars, or for super-loud venues where long sets are difficult
due to excessive music volume.
I really feel strongly that SHORT-SET METHOD is an exceptionally strong M.O. for certain types of clubs, and that everyone would
really benefit from trying it. There have been several chicks pulled using it, and it is extensively field tested.
even if you dont care about ANY target except the HB9+ (which is often the case for me as well), you NEED to run the short-sets on
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also, if youre afraid to approach sub-HB9 chicks, its because you havent read UG THEORY.
back when I posted that, I bet alot of guys thought that I was clowning around.. and as much as I wanted it to be funny, it was the
TRUEST SHIT Ive ever posted.. UG THEORY IS REAL! :)
if you master it (which takes 2 minutes to learn), you will be able to chat up UGs like nobodys business! :)
the reason that youve had bad results with sub elite calibre girls is that youve been reading and internalizing techniques that are
DESIGNED to GUN DOWN these exceptional women.
you are deploying ROCKETS intended for TANKS to gun down FOOTSOLDIERS.. and youve been blowing them to SMITHERINES!

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CRAIGS METHOD...THE NATURAL WAY

One of the main reasons why I succeed in bars and most go home alone is because I have a system, one that has taken me years to
perfect. When I was first starting out in the game I tried all kinds of crazy things to meet women, from giving them business cards
to doing card tricks, even trying to hypnotize them! I had a few successes here and there, but what always bothered me was that
the techniques just didnt seem naturalNot to mention the fact that when I ran out of lines I would get run over. I knew there were
guys out there who got hoards of women without even trying, and that was my ultimate goal.
A few years ago I had a major realization and I started pulling women like crazy. It came at a very frustrating time in my life, when
I was about to throw in the towel and give up on being the guy who has women all over him.
My major turning point came when I decided to throw all I thought I knew about meeting women in the trash. I was so frustrated
with the rejections and my weak successes that I decided I was just going to go out and have a FUCKING AWESOME TIME! I decided
that if I didnt come home with anybody it wouldnt matter anymore, because I would have a blast, and make everyone in the bar
have a better night because I was there!
I didnt get laid that first night, but I met more girls than I ever had before and I could not believe the positive responses I was
getting. Girls were picking up on the vibe that I was only there to have a good time, and I was having such a blast that it was
contagious! Girls that I talked to early in the night were coming back up to me and striking up conversations!
Its been many years since I first started on my path to mastery, and these days whenever I go out, I meet a lot of women, whether
I want to or not! When I set out to write this book I took a hard look at what I do now compared to what I did then, and hopefully
what Ive found will help you to reach your goals faster than I did.
As you know my goal has always been to become a natural seducer, and when I was starting out I tried to watch the guys that got a
lot of women in the clubs and learn from them. The problem was that I couldnt for the life of me figure out what they were doing
that was so different. They usually werent the best-dressed guys in the house, and almost never the best looking.
It didnt hit me until I started picking up all kinds of women that there was a distinct format to my style, and that format is the
foundation of my success. There are dozens of little things I do to enhance my game, but they alone do not get me laid. You have to
bake the cake before you can put on the icing!
The Circle Format
One thing I noticed when I first started doing this is that losers the in a club would stand around and drink and watch, while guys
with game would walk around and make things happen. The guys with lots of game would be sitting at a table with different
beautiful women around them all night like they were famous. That is where I wanted to be, and I discovered that you have to put a
lot of walking and talking to get to there.
The thing I like about most clubs and bars is that they are built in a way that creates a good flow around the inside, and you can
usually walk around the whole place in a big circle without having to backtrack. Walking around the club in big circles is the basis of
my format, and its what you DO when you are walking around that makes all of the difference.
When you first arrive at a venue you have to set a presence for yourself, and its important to get in the right state of mind before
you walk in. Think of yourself as the owner of the club, because tonight, the place is yours! Say it aloud! Whenever I walk through
the doors of a club, I stop, look around, and say MY HOUSE!
After you are inside and you check you coat, get your drink, etc., start your walk around the club. When you see a girl or group of
girls you want to meet, go in and say something funny or interesting that isnt something they have already heard ten times that
night.
An example conversation could go like this:
Me: (serious look) HeyAre you guys going to like me better the 3 rd time you see me?
Girls: HuhWhat do you mean?
Me: Well Ive already walked past you guys twice and you guys havent said hi to me or hello or grabbed my ass or anything!
Whats goin on?
Girls:(laughing)Hi my names Jen, and this is Carrie. Whats yours?
Me: Craig. Nice to meet you. Now, next time I see you all Im going to expect a warm welcome!
Here comes the MOST powerful part of this techniqueAfter you exchange a few laughsMOVE ON OUT! This is huge because every
other guy they have ever met has leached on at the first sign of acceptance and tried to hang out with them all night! How
desperate is that? By ending the conversation first you have shown them that you are a secure guy who doesnt care if he sees
them again, or if they talk to other guys. And why should you? You have many more groups of women to approach!
The whole idea here is to get them laughing, show them you are a fun guy that they would want to hang out with, then leavewith
them wanting more! In sales this is called a takeaway.
Do the same thing with the next group. If a girl is by herself dont leave her out of the loop, but dont use that as an excuse to latch
on. If a conversation is going really well with a certain group or girl, it is ok to keep it up, just make sure that you are the one to
end it and that you end it while both of you are still laughing and having fun.
This structure eliminates a lot of mistakes and conveys a lot of important things. Lets take a look at whats going on here, and why
this works:
You are showing every woman you meet that you are a fun guy with a great personality.
Since you are only talking to each group for a short time and you are the one that is ending the conversation, you show them that
you arent desperate for their attention and you create a challenge. You leave them wanting more!
You will be seen talking to lots of women, which will make you look desirable and create competition. This is known as Social
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You are creating a familiarity with these women, so the next time you see them, its like you are old buds! The hardest part is
behind you!
Best of all, this format allows you to meet tons of women while naturally walking around the club having fun. You are going to have
a GREAT time and meet LOTS of people!
I relate this structure to fishing, because it reminds me a TV special I saw once on sharks. When scientists want to catch some
sharks to study, they dump a bunch of blood and fish guts in the water to get them all riled up. Theres no real meat in there, but it
lets the sharks know that there is something around, and it gets them alert and looking for food.
This is what youre doing with your initial approach and takeaway. You are letting the girls know youre in the house and that you
are different from the rest of the guys, and you keep them wanting more. I think they said it best in the movie Swingers. Its all
about letting the girls know that youre money and youre ready to party!
Starting the Frenzy
By the time you are finished with lap number one you will probably have talked to 10-20 girls, some alone and some in groups.
There is no set time frame for how long this should take, because every club is different and some conversations will last longer
than others. Sometimes I will finish my first lap without doing any approaches because there are no hot women in the bar. In those
cases the first lap is usually my last!
On your second go-round you are going to see a few or all of the girls you met on the first pass, depending on the size of the club.
Of course some of them will be in the bathroom, on the dance floor, gone home, etc., but new girls are always emerging to take
their places. Dont get lazy and leave them out of the fun!
The girls that you are seeing for the second time already have a good
impression of you, and now theyve seen you talking with lots of other women, so they view you not only as ok to be seen with, but
also as desirable to the opposite sex. I dont need to tell you that this is a good thing!
Now that you have gotten things brewing, its time to pull out the bait and see if she grabs it! Your bait is what you do when you see
a girl or group of women you have already approached. The goal here is to have a conversation start naturally, like it would if you
had met them before.
Your bait can be the same type of thing you did the first time (Eg. Get her laughing with a joke about something in the club, tell a
short funny story, ask her a question, etc.) or something on a smaller scale, like a look and a smile. Other things you could do would
be to give her a high five, touch her glass with yours as you walk by and say cheers, or my personal favorite, and accuse her of
following you, and tell her to stop!
>From now on every time you see her throw her some kind of bait and see if she grabs on to it. By throwing the bait you are giving
her an easy way to start talking to you, and that is what you are waiting for. For instance, if you make a joke, see if she makes a
funny comment back. If you touch her glass and say cheers, she might ask you what youre drinking. She may say something
unrelated to your bait, like Nice necklace or Where did you get that ring? If she asks you a question its always a good sign. One
that I here all of the time is, You look familiarWhere do I know you from? To this I answer, Do you watch adult movies?
If she doesnt take the bait keep on walking! Some girls will take the bait right away and a conversation will start naturally, and
other conversations might not happen until you have seen them 5 or 6 six times. Thats a good thing, because every time you see
her you are reminding her about you and building anticipation.
The most important thing you are doing here that most guys miss is that you are setting yourself up as a challenge. People dont
value what they dont have to work for, and to most women, especially attractive women, men are too easy!
Imagine if you were a beautiful woman, and you had guys kissing your ass and begging to be with you your entire life. It gets old
fast, and when a woman like this meets a man who doesnt put her on a pedestal and makes her chase after him, it drives her
crazy!
Every woman loves a challenge, and this will separate you from 99% of the guys out there. Ask a few girls you know about this, and
ask them to describe how a man can be a challenge to them. You will gain some really valuable insight.
The familiarity that this method creates is one of the reasons why it is so effective. If you do your job on the first contact with a new
girl, or group of girls, the next time you see them they will remember you and all of their walls will have come down.
This plays a HUGE part when you are dealing with groups, because when women go out they will naturally try to keep their friends
together and keep them from getting hit on. If you approach the group as a whole a few times and show them what type of person
you are, it will make it much easier to isolate your target when that time comes. Instead of the girls being cautious about their
friend leaving, they will be jealous!
Reeling in the Fish
After a few rounds in the club you are probably going to have a one or two women that you have a really good feeling about. Maybe
the two of you had a great conversation, maybe she accidentally touched your arm a few too many times, or maybe she is just the
hottest woman youve talked to all night. Either way, its time to close the deal!
Now that you have it narrowed down its ok to seek your woman out, and the sooner the better. Make sure you stick with the bait
formula. When you find her say something funny, ask her a question, or make a comment about something to give her the
opportunity to start a conversation.
If shes with her group of friends, its time to isolate her and make your move! You dont have to take her away from her friends
completely, but it is important to get into a one-on-one conversation with her.
Remember, the main reason her friends may try to cockblock is because they arent sure if their friend is into you and they want
to save her. Hopefully when you were making your rounds you talked to the group as a whole, or they at least saw their friend
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Ending Conversations
Its always good to end a conversation first, and a great way to do it is to say, Hey it was nice meeting youIm gonna catch up
with my friends. Maybe Ill see you later.
Saying maybe is very important. It shows that you dont care if you do see her again, and it leaves her wondering if you will. If
you say, Ill catch up with you later she knows that she is gonna see you again and it removes part of the mystery and the
challenge that women need to feel attraction.
On Group Approaches and Cock Blocks
If a girl is with her friends but they are out of earshot or already talking to others, it is ok to single her out and talk to her by
herself. If her friends come back and interrupt dont worry about itIts their job to watch out for their friend. Think nothing of it and
include her friends in the conversation.
If one of her friends completely captures her attention for more than a few seconds, dont stand around like a puppy! If you were
just throwing a little bait and the two of you hadnt really started talking yet, keep right on walking without saying anything. If the
conversation was flowing nicely you can do one of two things.
Your first option is to end the conversation as you normally would, but shorten it to, Maybe Ill see you later and walk away. If its
really on or its getting late and your not sure if you will see her again, turn away at least 90 degrees and do something. Light a
smoke, order a drink, check your phone, etc, and wait for HER to come back to YOU. If she doesnt come back, either start talking
to someone else or walk away. When you see her again she will respect you for being your own person and not waiting around like a
chump.
On-Going Cycle
The nice thing about this cycle is that it doesnt limit itself to one night, because you are always meeting new girls and throwing bait
to old ones. I used to live in a smaller town with only 3 bars, and at the end of every night there would be certain girls that I had
talked too only once and others that I had talked too 3 or 4 times a night for months.
Some of the girls would come around eventually and we would end up hooking up, while others became great bar buddies that
would introduce me to their cute girlfriends! Damn I love this stuff!
When I moved to a bigger city I thought it would be different since there are literally hundreds of bars here, but I learned that every
town has its own bar scene and you will always run into a lot of the same people. The cycle continues!
The Natural Way
When I go out to a club I look like a normal, social guy that happens to get a lot of women. No one would ever label me a Lounge
Lizard or a Pimp, because to the untrained eye and the women around, it appears as though I am just hanging out like everyone
else, and having a little bit more fun. This is very important because if a woman thinks you are a pick up artist and you do this all
the time, you will have to work ten times harder to make it happen.
I have a friend that I go out clubbing with all of the time, but we never really talk about techniques since we have very different
styles. He overheard me explaining this method to someone and said, You mean you are actually doing something when you are
walking around like that? And I hit the town with this guy all the time!
This format is designed to be a natural way to meet women. If you want to grab a drink or have a smoke along the way, feel free.
You are there to have a great time! If you run into some of your buddies, by all means stay and have a beer. If you run into some
girls that you know, stay and chat longer because the other girls in the club will see you (social proof) and your girlfriends may
know some cuties that you should meet!
Some tactical points
Never Phrase Anything as a Question
you can phrase stuff as a question, but NOT as a question that can be answered with yes, no or the likes. every time you ask
such a question youre making it easy for her to turn you down on it. i did this unconciously right most of the time but the ebook
from seductionscience.com (which i have to give some credit since its actually a pretty good read) brought it to my immediate
attention
instead, present your questions as CHOICES:
instead of can i kiss you? or do you want to kiss me? (which can be both answered easily with a no):
would you like me to kiss you softly and slowly or passionate?
instead of do you want to dance?:
do you want to go dancing or rather stay a wallflower?
get it? never pose a question that can be answered with a simple no or a simple yes. this is a BASIC conversational skill btw
SMS tactics
screw sms, and screw mobiles.
i always used to lose the damn things so after losing the last about 8 weeks ago i am without. and i do not plan to buy a new one.
girls get my home number (where i am like never avaible), and i have theirs. if i want to keep contact with someone i will call
him/her myself. end of story.
After the seduction: Best Ways to Break Up???
all good tyler, the only thing is she will find another guy, and he will not find her too loose. so from now on the guy that told her that
will be known as the guy with the small dick, which she will tell all her friends and
girlfriends.
seriously, just be honest. next time, give the girl a speech like the one below BEFORE you get intimate.

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i desire you, and i love spending time with you. however, that desire can be gone at any time, it can be gone in a day, in a week,
maybe in years, maybe it will NEVER go. but its just the way i am, so if its at that time, and the desire is gone... you know what
that means right? and if it is that time i will be honest with you, cause honesty, to me, is absolutely crucial in ANY relationship. so
lets charish the time we have, lets live the way we feel now to the fullest, okay? :), then KISS her. fake takeaways are very
powerful.
ps: why would you even WANT to slam her down? its YOU that got the issues not that girl. just leave her alone, you think
slamming other people will make you feel better or fulfilled? think again. just move on, dont ADD to the misery of that girl.
Attraction
=Show her my value is higher

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2 C&F ROLEPLAYING FRAMES I USED LAST WEEKEND

Here are some tactics that I used recently which I found interesting. Theyre not necessarily the type that I would INTENTIONALLY
implement, but rather something that you could field if the situation came up.
Just got back from the Las Vegas MM workshop. I pulled 2 nights in a row, so here are the two tactics that were most useful - one
from each.
The first one, I knew that the friend would not allow me to come back to their suite together, so I came up with this conspiracy to
disarm objections.
The frame was that we were TRICKING everyone around her that I was her brother, and thats why we were so touchy feely. It was
funny to watch guys trying to figure out if it was for real or not, since we were incestuously touchy feely.
Actually I think that initially we told people we were brother and sister, but once she chose me then she got more serious and
actually came up with the idea to tell her friend that I was gay.
So we told the obstacle that I was her new gay best friend, and that we were going to go shopping the next morning together and
that I would be her fashion consultant.
Weird.. field tested though.
The second one, I used a drama created by a friend of my friend.
When doing takeaways/backturns/activeignorance, youll find that the girls will always try to immediately re-validate themselves on
the closest guy they can find. So for example, if I do a backturn on a girl, shell usually try to hook up with my wingman.
Chicks always try to tool my friends like this. For example, when Papa was out with his 6 blondie, she would keep grabbing my ass
and asking me questions. Id just ignore her. Or with Mystery especially, he does a back turn and the girl will start rubbing my
chest. Again, I just face Mystery like hes the shit, so that hell be social proofed by me and so that shell still need HIM for revalidation.
In this case, I picked up a hostess from a restaurant across the street, and shed come to meet up with me. She was watching me
conduct the workshop, which I just said was Mysterys workshop and that I had nothing to do with it - I was just his buddy. Some
of Mysterys superstar famous celeb friends were there also, which social proofed the shit out of me and made it even easier.
So shes all into me, and I give massive accomplishment intros to my friend. Anyway, while Im off PUing other chicks (I had no
choice, it was workshop), she gets insecure and goes and starts flirting with the friend of my friend who Id given the
accomplishment intro to. Him, thinking with his dick instead of his brain or maybe just disrespecting me I have no clue (probably
the second since he took her phone# the next morning), starts making out with her.
Haa, thats what I love about the game. You never know what to expect, and thats what makes it fun. Even guys in YOUR set can
CB you if youre not careful and read the plays as they come - and this one Id seen coming so I knew that I would need a
gameplan.
So I walk up to him and tap him on the head, but he keeps going. Oh well. Anyway, I walk up again and just say hey kiddo, nice
meeting you, I have to get going. Then I turn around and walk off.
Ive actually PRACTISED my backturn and walk off timing, to make it really make an impact. I hate to admit this, but a few weeks
back when I was consciously practising it I actually was starting to piss off random people in society who didnt even deserve it.
hmmm, oh well, anyway this has really helped my game though.
So anyway, I backturn and she tackles me, disses up the dude, and starts begging me to still chill with her. I keep walking, so that
shes out of eyesight with the guy making out with the chick, and then I USE the drama to my ADVANTAGE and just say:
OK kiddo. Do you want me or not?
She says yes and I immediately pull. Boom. 100% no resistance because she knows that its a re-validation thing.
So the two tactics here are:
1)
2)

C&F frame - building conspiracies to justify you being all over eachother, and also to get the girl home in the same cab/car as
her roomate.
Using DRAMA that can be created during a takeaway to make the girl fear INSTANTLY that shell lose you on the spot as a
result of her actions, and setting a frame where you she has to immediately RE-VALIDATE you if she wants to keep you. This is
very much CHICK THINKING, because they think in TERMS of validation. This is also why they kino you when you tease/neg
them, and why they go out and cheat on their boyfriend the second they get into a fight.

Oh yeah an addition to this, a tactic that I used on a HB10 virgin chick. I

actually only found out that she was a virgin THREE FUCKING HOURS into the set.
Are you fucking kidding me???
Remember TD, this is what makes it fun.. You never know what drama to expect
This is what I keep telling myself, and to be honest I genuinely believe that its true. Otherwise it would be like playing the same
level over and over, the same food, etc etc. No validation or fun problems to find solutions to.
Anyway, at one point I go to throw her on my lap, and she resists. I say Do you think Im your new gay best friend?? Do you think
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Then I get up and go to leave. Again, she tackles me and jumps on me and begs me to stay.
Punishment/reward. I liked that one.
Of course I left anyway (ouch! still will teach this girl not to talk to players though). Normally for a TRUE BLUE HB*10* I would stay
for anything. Especially a virgin, which unlike most guys is actually a quality I like (personal preference). But this was Las Vegas
and I wasnt going to have time for a day2. Otherwise Id have tried to make her my new GF. WOW this girl was fucking hot. I
first suspected it when shed make allusions to me not losing my faith and saw the cross thing on her necklace, and then it was a
downward spiral from there.
In that set, I also used an interesting frame where Id constantly say stop getting me all emotional, as in to steal their frame.
Also, I used a cool line where I would say I hate this so much. I am SO attracted to you, but well never get to know eachother
enough in one night to justify travelling to a different city to meet up.
I would say this OVER AND OVER. Id keep saying how amazing she was and what a unique value she had to me that was so hard
to find, but Id instill over and over that there was absolutely no way that I was interested in her whatsoever because of Xdisqualifier (in this case, geographical distance). Id also do it as a REWARD, so shed be scrambling to think of things to impress
me, and then Id reward her, but in a way where shes STILL not getting me.
I mean this got the girl qualifying how we would meet up again to an extent that Ive never seen before.
She wouldnt shut up about how wed find ways to be together and all this.
I did something similar in Montreal where I remember also saying: You know its funny.. because were both cool people.. and
youre like this awesome chick.. (then looking at my wingman) - I like this chick.. dude, I actually LIKE this chick.. but honestly are
we ever going to hang out.. nope. were both cool people and were not the type to go out of our way for anyone.. You KNOW its
true.. are we ACTUALLY going to wake up tommorow in the middle of the day like not all in this club environment and get around to
playing phone tag and calling eachother.. nope. etc etc.. I played off this until she begged me to come visit. (I say beg, because I
literally dont let the frame go until shes begging, which I accomplish by going back and forth, looking like shes making progress
winning me over, but then finding new objections for her to disarm).
Oh yeah, I also go thtis email from a 24 year old virgin Olympic Swimming champion, saying shes coming to visit me in Kingston.
SWEET. I met her 8 months ago at the Guvernment. Too bad she lives in Toronto, or Id give her a chance because shes serious
quality. Like she genuinely respects herself and knows her own worth, and shes funny and confident/cool. Oh well.. :)
So I remember back when I emailed her originally, she wrote me back this long letter about how she was drunk when she met me
and how she had just come out of a relationship.
I returned an email with translations in it. It was mad funny.
Like Id quote a few sentences and write something like:
TRANSLATION: I thought that you were cool enough to talk to that I could give you an email, but since you didnt sufficiently
attract me I have to say that I just came out of a relationship, even though if I was attracted I obviously would never bring this up.
I added in funny comments like I was doing it as a joke, not because I was pissed or taking it seriously. So it was like a funny email
that I was sending her.
She writes me back saying Im fucking crazy and weird.
So what I do I do?
Actually - nothing.
I was busy with other chicks at the time and just didnt bother to write back.
But what was funny in this case was that she took that as a challenge (similarly to the cases above) and started writing me email
after email, inviting me to all these events and sending me her phone #s, and even when she took a vacation she emailed me the
#s over there.
I would reply with these half-cooked short emails because I GENUINELY didnt care, but that just made her want me more.
Damn, Im actually attracted to this chick, but I wont hookup with her I think because I honestly dont want to fuck up a rare bright
light. Ill leave it to some other fucking bastard player to do that.. :)
Still, I have to see the funny irony here that these girls have preserved themselves for like the least deserving guy on the planet (by
what THEY consider deserving). Its like Ummm, what do you think it meant when I cold approached you in a massive group and
looked like this was totally normal??? Maybe Ive done this ONCE OR TWICE in the past??? Cognitive dissonance at its best.
Funny thing is though, that I bet if either of them lived in the same city as me, Id be easily willing to give up PU for them. Both are
hot, cool, confident, smart, accomplished, and dont use drugs (the last is something I really value in an LTR just as a personal
taste, because I like girls that I have alot in common with). Honestly, I appreciate girls who value themselves, and in my personal
opinion sex with random partners using condoms isnt as good as sex with someone you admire (and who is ridiculously hot
obviously) and without a condom whenever you want. I think my skillset is still 1-2 years away from critical mass, so Ill probably
wait longer until LTR (my game still goes up exponentially on a weekly basis due to field work and a better cognitive model than
most people are privy to, which Ill post about at length Spastic Ramblings part III my longest most ridiculously abstract post yet,
when I have like a zillion hours to write it down in proper semi-non-cryptic format).
Anyway, I guess the point of this is that disqualifying yourself HARD allows you to combine it with MASSIVE SOIs. I havent field
tested this extensively, but at first glance it seems like it might work well.

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CHICK CRACK: MINI-COLD READS

WhiteDragonPUA (Eddy) and I always joke that shit like the CUBE, handwriting analysis, strawberry-fields, and palmreading, is
CRACK for chicks.
They HAVE TO KNOW what stupid shit you can tell them about themselves, based on something ARBITRARY. I know Eddy has used
this to bait chicks into isolation on MANY occassions, extracting all sorts of things from them in exchange for whatever fabricated
information hes willing to spew at them.
So what is the reasoning behind this???

THEY-HAVE-TO-KNOW.

THE BACKGROUND:
QUICK REVIEW (this stuff is to the best of my recollection, and its been a long time since I read The Sexual Key.. this is the main
USEFUL part of it):
As explained in The Sexual Key, men like LINEAR progress, women like INTERNAL progress.
MEN:
Goal -> Goal -> Accomplishment
I got the scholarship. - I dont have to work this summer. - I have more time to pick up chicks.
THE PAYOFF IS THE RESULT (more time in this case)
WOMEN:

---->---goal-->--------->------/--->----goal---->--------V
^
\
|
|
|
|
^
accomplishment------/
V
|
|
\---goal-------<--goal----<----/

I got the scholarship. - That validated my choices. - That showed me that I truly do have academic potential. - That made me
feel incredible because it showed me more about myself.
THE PAYOFF IS THE EMOTION, THAT RESULTED FROM A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF
HERSELF, AND DISCOVERING HER UNKNOWN/HIDDEN POTENTIALS. (in this case, her academic abilities)

THE TACTIC:
How to encorporate this into a more high-impact, or possibly a GROUP SET???
MINI-COLD-READS, cocky-playful, peppered into your SET.

EXAMPLES OF MINI-COLD-READS:

youre bad

oooohhhh noooo.. you guys are trouble

you guys are the nice ones.. I can only hang with you..
-(for when she answers that she is NOT adventurous, during Swingcat qualifying)
yeah.. youre more quiet.. like Velma from Scoobie Doo.. youre smart,.. and
you solve mysteries

I dont know about you.. I have a x-feeling about you..

theres something suspicious going on here... Im not sure what, but I can just feel it

you guys are fiesty.. like little powerpuff girls

you are crazzzzzy

I cant trust you guys

ok, I can trust you now.. you guys are IN.. youre trustworthy

youre my new bestfriend (while caveman-ing her.. making the link from her letting you grab her, to her being your new best
friend.. it makes NO SENSE whatsoever, but makes PERFECT sense to HER)

that-is-*awesome*.. youre gonna be my NEW GIRLFRIEND (after something ARBITRARY, like a line in her palm, or showing
you a cool tatoo or something equally stupid, but is somehow DERIVED from something she showed you...)

you guys are like crime-fighters

you guys are total bad-girls

youre the leader

you guys are A-Crowd material (after she says something cocky to you)

dude, these girls are obviously VERY adventurous

A)

X=X

GUY LOGIC VS. CHICK LOGIC:

GUY LOGIC:

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B)
C)
D)
A)
B)
C)
D)

X-characteristic = X-related-quality
you are carrying a gun and have 100,000$ cash in a briefcase = you are probably a bad person
This guys got a gun and a briefcase.. hes probably bad
CHICK LOGIC:
X=Y
X-characteristic = Y-unrelated-quality
you are stupid girls sitting in a club looking around with a stupid look on your face (that I can SAY I think looks bad, even
though it doesnt really look like ANYTHING) = you are BADGIRLS
these girls have a fiesty look in their eyes.. they are BADGIRLS

MORE DETAILED EXAMPLES OF THE PROCESS:

Ask an arbitrary question. Do girls think that David Bowie is hot?, Do you
think I would look good if I died my hair ALL BLONDE?, Do you think that
spells work?, etc etc etc
REGARDLESS of her answer, PLAYFULLY-MISINTERPRET this as evidence that she is a bad-girl.

ooooohhhh nooooo... ooooohhh noooo.. you just like David Bowie because hes total GLAM.. its always BADGIRLS that like
that.. youre bad, FOR SURE..
oooh nooo.. my friend with BLONDE HAIR??? oh no, dude DO NOT listen to this girl, SHE-IS-BAD... look at the smile on her
face.. dude, she is FIESTY.. do NOT listen to this girl.. she has bad-girl written ALL OVER HER..
spells? spells? oh no dude, we cant talk to this girl.. shes bad.. she-is-BAD.. look at the knowing grin on her.. she knows
her stuff... I dont even KNOW what this girl could be up to..

SAME THING when you have NOTHING to go on.. Just pick an ARBITRARY quality on her.. Her clothes, her smile, her aloofness,
WHATEVER..

dude, LOOK at this girl.. LOOOOOOK.. see it in her eyes??? She is BAD..
oh man, LOOK at the necklace on her.. oh man, this girl is FIESTY.. she is PLAYFUL.. she is ADVENTUROUS.. I KNOW girls
like this..

GROUP DYNAMICS - HOW TO USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE:

Choose your target. If you call her FIESTY, then try saying it to her FRIENDS.. This one is FIESTY, isnt she??? This
disarms the friends, similarly to Mysterys technique of OPENING off of the ugliest person in the peer group. You are
ADDRESSING the group, and you are NOT hitting on the friend in the normal way.

People may recall that I took an HB8.5 right off her DATE, using this technique. (is she always tricky like this?? does she always do
this?? she is FIESTY isnt she?, to the GUY she was on a date with.. he was DISARMED, and she was AROUSED.. a combo that
works for you in MULTIPLE ways, simultaneously)

Play the mini-cold-reads OFF OF eachother. she IS bad.. you guys are the NICE ones (to the obstacles)... I can only hang with
you guys.. you guys are safe.. this girl is BAD (to the target)..

This gets the little LSE obstacles thinking that youre nice, and DISARMS what youre doing to their friend (your target).

CONCLUSION - CHICK LOGIC AS SEEN IN SOAP OPERAS:

Want to see stupid shit like this IN ACTION?? Check out a stupid soap-opera, like Passions or Days of our Lives.
Youll notice that its saturated in STUPID SHIT, like:

Billy got trapped in the snowstorm, and now he can never find his true love with Lucette.. could the snowstorm really interfere
with them finding the potential of their true love?!?!?!
Patricia got a fake palm-reading because Janet hired a fake to trick her into thinking that Bo is her true love, and not Ethan..
Will Patricia ever really find true happiness?
Melissa hired a street-thug to SWITCH the paternity tests, so that she could be with Jake, even though its really not his son..
Now Jake will have to be with HER, and Crystal will never fulfill the love that she had with Jake, all because of this terrible
trickery!
Allen slipped DRUGS into Alicias drink, WITHOUT HER KNOWING.. now shes a drug-addict, and a prostitute.. a total
BADGIRL.. and its not her fault!

THIS IS WHAT GIRLS ARE ADDICTED TO.

Shit where X = Y, and it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, except through LEAPS of logic. There has to be SOME logic to it, but
since its CHICK-LOGIC, there is no actual SOUNDNESS required.
You can generate this CRACK FOR CHICKS in the field, by making ILLOGICAL conclusions, that some particular quality leads to some
EXCITING characteristic about them, that they werent aware of, but maybe had fantasized at some point that they had.
Just pepper it in there, and watch as they CANT stop talking to you.
Then, use MYSTERY METHOD to EXPLOIT the social-proof, throw negs, and isolate.
Or just use it to suck a lonewolf into a convo, during a street sarge. Its useful in many areas.

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THE 101 PRIMER NEO-RIO

The 101 Primer - The Core Framework of Seduction
I was inspired to write this document because of the confusions surrounding the two kinds of SOIs and because some people out
there didnt understand the 101 theory correctly when I originally posted bits and pieces of it on ASF. It has been because I didnt
understand it fully at the time unlike I do now. For that reason, here is a detailed explanation that will do away with the old
terminology and replace it with something that can actually be taught in a logical, thought out process without the confusion.
WHY 101?
I came up with 101 after a burnt-out alcohol filled intensive PU session at night on a train to Tokyo when my mind got a direct link
to my subconscious. It was there that I not only found God, but also how to seduce women should the 101 plan be done correctly
and completely. I dont care if you dont believe me on that one and if it wrecks my credibility wih you. After all, I saw God and you
didnt.;)
Besides, God is the creator of all life. If we want to create life (hint hint!) we have to understand it.
101 can be broken down into the numbers 0 and 1. 0 representing negative. 1 representing positive. Ill represent emotions with
their numbers from now on in brackets for the rest of this document.
Similarly, if you think of computers, you will know that the transistors inside their chips only understand light-on (1), or light-off (0).
Similarly, if you think of the first chapter of the Bible, you will know that God separated darkness and light. You will also be aware,
that if you consider the ancient Chinese Yin-Yang symbol, that it contains a dark side and a white side. Many similar ancient and
religious stories and such that speak of creation consume themselves by discussing these opposites as somehow being able to exit
together in a kind of ordered chaos (hows that for a contradiction?). Also, there is the old saying that humans cannot appreciate
good feelings, without feeling bad feelings - and similarly cannot revile bad things without good things.
Going back to the Yin-yang symbol, one side is white or good (1) and the other side is dark and evil (0). Together, they make a
circle. The circle represents a sense of completeness or enlightenment or infinity. Which, if one applies oneself to the search for
enlightenment, is essentially a good thing (1).
Note the seeming contradiction here - that is, good and bad together is actually still good (which begs the question, is bad REALLY
bad at all?)
In this way, we have 101. That is to say that in life there is good, there is evil, but all in all life is a positive experience. 101 is the
basics of whatever follows in life. (Such as you will notice that the first subject of a university topic is called something-or-other
101). And for some reason, Jewish people really like this number. The Isreali army$B!G(Bs top crack commando unit is numbered
101, and unit 101 makes an appearance in Saving Private Ryan. Maybe thats just chance or coincidence.... or maybe Im starting
to see 101 everywhere anyway.
101 AND SEDUCTION THEORY
Before I lose some of you completely, lets now move away from the spiritual/philosophical aspect and start applying this to
seduction theory. Lets not also forget that as students of seduction, we try to use logical structure to create emotion. This too is a
contradiction in terms (logic vs. emotion) - but with 101 we have a plan to merge the two together into something workable.
As most students of seduction are aware, the conscious mind can be bypassed
through telling stories - because stories are fiction and therefore not
limited to reality. Once the listener is placed in this state of anything
goes, the storyteller can insert all kinds of emotion into his/her target
audience without resistance. Stories also follow a typical plan. That is,
(1) beginning, (0) a middle, and (1) and ending. The beginning is the time in the story where everything is good and normal (1).
Slowly as the story progresses, there is a problem that becomes apparent, which results in the climatic point of the story (0).
Eventually as the climax subsides, the story winds its way towards conclusion - when things are explained, and the ending is
either a happy one, or a good one with a different situation than the story started out as (1).
Both 1 and 0 create a contradiction - and a MYSTERY. Confusing women like this makes them curious and wanting to know more.
When you give them a plan of action (1) to solve the mystery (10) - they are coerced into doing whatever it is you really want them
to do. Throughout the period of mystery, however, your intentions are mostly obscure to the female - thus giving her a task to
complete (usually something that you want her to do anyway) to get what she wants, which is what you are offering (which, if you
want to leave a bad taste in her mouth, you dont have to give).
101, in this way, is pure manipulation. It works as an effective double bind to influence people. Let me point out that Id rather not
have to use mind-control to get women. Instead, Id rather install good feelings into them, and let them work on it. However, not all
women are going to be like this, thus we have a need for 101.
101, however, is only manipulation in so far as it is a contract of conduct between two people ? as I will be showing later on. In this
sense, 101 isn$B!G(B t really bad manipulation at all, because people use contracts all the time to do business together. 101 is
about gentle persuasion to get women to do what they really want to do anyway ? in a safe environment.
USING 101 PRACTICALLY
I find that 101 can be used in many different ways during the course of seduction. Three common ones spring to mind (but there
are many others)
1.
2.

As a general seduction plan (e.g. Takeaways)

As a way to set relationship expectations

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3.

As a way to give a woman controlled emotional swings (flirting, NEGs, etc)

Depending on how you use a 101 routine, the parts of each component will be different.
101 AS A CONTRACT
Now Im going to explain the components (and their many vairations in usage) in detail so that you can use it to pick up women. Im
going to use the analogy of a contract in order to explain 101. 101 IS a sales contract (in an extreme seduction sense: think
marriage), because it is a logical plan to make two people safe in being able to express their otherwiseillogical and uncontrollable
feelings (note the contradiction). In each of the parts, you can use NLP or some other kind of languaging skill to speak to her
emotionally. Also, Im sure you will find many other pick-up techniques will fit in nicely into the framework.
Also, pay particular note to the presuppositions that 101 makes. There are very important, and will be explained first, followed by
ways each part of 101 can be used.
1 - THE PRODUCT PRESENTATION.
Presuppositions are:

You display value to the chick. You really want her to have it. It is what is motivating you to approach. (patterning, incredible
connections, lofty talk about bullshit you promise to do for her)
Your real intentions are made vague (e.g. like MTLs get with you comment) so that the chick can find her own value from this
(be it sexual or otherwise). All bases are covered this way.
Your intentions are made doubly vague by making your real intentions seem like hers. (when they are not). See mirroring,
eliciting and feeding back values etc. Being the man she wants to fuck, being the product she wants to buy etc.
You swing her emotions positively

Other techniques:

Show of interest (SOI) - Can either be through complimenting, or asking a woman about something that you find particularly
interesting about her. etc. This is done genuinely (of course) and will require some observation on your part to figure out
exactly how to do this. If the woman is ugly, you probably wont be able to find something to ask about anyway.
Statement of Intentions - You tell her that your only intentions are to make her happy in the ways that she likes. Well this is
somewhat true because it is a good thing to make people happy, but not 100% true either (because we want sex as well).
Meanwhile, your REAL intentions come later on in the third part. The noble intentions told here are to build value.
Story telling, and entertaining of some variety.
Mirroring. Things in common (You want the same things as her - so you say)
Building value - Presenting a situation to a woman that you know she would enjoy (The rich and famous have this part easy)
Creating a good first impression.
Pre-supposing is key here, as she has not bought anything or received anything from you yet. You need to create the image in
her head, and be able to back up claims that you can actually do these things you promise for her. She needs to believe that
you will deliver.
Positive emotional swing
Getting her to say yes, yes immediately
Getting the chick to promise you things from the value you gave (giving you a rule and a mental weapon to use against her in
the next part). An example by Rock Harders: After displaying value, he would get the woman to agree that she liked him and
had a good time talking with him. She would then have to continue to agree with this so she would have no excuses about
coming out to see him when he called her up ? because she said she liked talking to him.
Describe this to her emotionally, and dramatically
Should this part be missing, you will not attract the woman to you at all.

0 - TERMS & CONDITIONS OF SERVICE. END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT.

Presuppositions are:

You lay down the rules of interaction, and back up the rules with logic, reason, and your own CONGRUENCE.
You make her feel guilty - on her own accord for breaking your rules. This guilt will give her no room to move or fight back with
you. She recognizes that she is wrong, and that it is all her fault (very important).
You stand by your rules, no matter what (congruence)
You swing her emotions negatively

Other techniques:

Your rules. This includes expected behavior from both you and her. Lets remember, your word is law. Your rules come #1 in
your life above any woman. You need to be able to enforce your own rules and terms and conditions despite anything that she
does. Your rules must follow logical argument and leave no room for emotional responses. They must be followed, IF you are to
continue to feel comfortable about giving of yourself to her. What rules to have is worthy of another separate post.
This is your appeal to her nobler motives (That is, a good moral explanation of why she should respond to your 101 at all) - and
a way to avoid future arguments (cause you have the good reason). Tell a story about your own mistakes in order to highlight
your noble motives - if need be.
Do NOT let this part get heated or turn into an argument (should you be laying down rules of conduct) - or you will kill the
seduction at this point. Rational logic (and stories about how your logic is right) will prevail here only. Insults will not.
Defaulting the chick. Find some reason (logically preferably) which explains to the chick that she has thrown away her chance
to get more of the value you were offering. This can often be explained verbally - or even done at random with body language
to throw the chick off and make her self-conscious - all by herself.
Negative emotional swing
Display being busy, occupied, hard to tie down, be controlled, or limited to one chick (social proof)

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Demand respect
Showing a willingness to walk
Throw down a challenge
Make her feel that she is wrong - all by herself. Indirectly call attention to her mistakes.
Describe this to her logically.
Should this part be missing, you will allow the chick the opportunity to walk all over you.
1 - SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE

Presuppositions are:

You tell her what to do.

You make this part seem as if the thing you want her to do now, is not really what you want for yourself (See the first 1),
....but in actual fact it is! ;)
You leverage her guilt.
You dangle a positive emotional swing in front of her.

Other techniques:

To provide her with a suitable solution to the contradictions of the 1 and 0, in case she cant figure out what to do about it.
Make it sound fun and enjoyable.
Your real intentions revealed in a disguise here. You get her to do an activity which is beneficial for you, under the pretense
that its not what you really want (Remember, the nobler motives) when it is. See the SOI used as a bluff in the first part. Pay
particular note to the set up that goes into this.
Complete a ritual to make sense of the two conflicting emotions.
Hold a positive emotional swing in front of her.
Get her to prove herself to you, if you are to give her what she wants.
Describe it to her emotionally
Find a solution for her to get with you in the way you specified (perhaps she is in a club with friends). Make it easy for her to
buy.
Allow her to save face here - by doing what you suggested.
Use future pacing. Get her to think about how happy she will be after she makes the decision.
Make it appear like it was her idea, and it is in her interests.
Ask her about her thoughts on doing what you suggest, and if she has anything to add to it.
Should this part be missing, you will probably not advance the seduction at all.

These are, in a nutshell, the basics of generating your own seduction patterns to chicks.As you can see, it contains an emotional
swing. Women particularly enjoy having emotional swings - so with 101, you can plan on making one. 101 can be used in many
different ways, either in patterning, or in the context of a seduction.
You can also see very easily how the plan would fall to pieces if one of the steps were to be missing.
DETECTING AND COMBATING 101 AND OTHER KINDS OF MANIPULATION
Detecting 101 is actually quite difficult - unless you know what to look for. Difficult because people have a natural tendency to avoid
those people who are selfish and wanting to use us - and if those people are doing this in an obvious fashion - we avoid them. 101 is
different however, because we are GIVING our targets things they want. When someone is apparently giving things to us, we cannot
even slightly consider that they are being selfish - and it slips under the radar. Suddenly, the target learns that she will have to pay
for it to keep it, and that is her responsibility, then the tables are turned. She leads herself into believing that she is in the wrong,
and we become totally innocent. At all times, we have to consider the motives of those people we trust doing things for us. Indeed,
those who GIVE are greater than those who receive. Putting people in debt to you gives you a lot of power.
On that note, heres how women can use 101 to seduce us men:
1 - First, women build their sexual value (a bit obvious, right?) through appearance - or by approaching us and suggesting to us
that they really want to have sex. All the while, confusing men into believing that she wants sex as much as men do ? without
actually saying it.
0 - Then, by accusing the men she attracts of doing something supposedly bad (e.g. perving, looking at other women, not paying
her enough attention, accusing us of being players, going out with male friends, perving, some other kind of nonsense that PUAs will
easily dismiss), she can turn the tables in her favour. Some bitches will simply treat men like shit and not accuse men verbally.
1 - When she has induced enough guilt in her target male, she can start demanding committed relationships and all the stuff that
she REALLY wants.
As you can see however, that if detected, destroying a 101 double-bind is easy if you pull one of the components out of it. Now,
pulling apart a female seduction plan will ensure that you never get rejected or manipulated ? but if you fail to build your own 101
plan too, you will not get laid. Lets look at how to rip apart a womans seduction plan:
1 - If a person rejects the value presented them. (e.g. NEG theory, insulting the woman, showing negative interest in her) 0 Attacks the logic or reasoning behind the challenge (dealing with her shit tests effectively)
1 - Or by refusing to carry out the solution, or carrying out a solution different to the one intended (Refusing to supplicate)
Similarly, your seduction can fall apart if a woman:1 ? Rejects the value you are presenting her (because you failed to elicit her true values and/or put her in a state which lets her feel
this value) 0 ? Rejects the rules of interaction you have (Because you failed to present a challenge to her, gain respect, explain your
rules properly, or she has found a crack in your congruency to keep your own rules) 1 ? Rejects the things you want her to do
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TIPS FOR USING 101s AS OPENERS.
Heres a few tips on using 101 as openers. Pay attention to the fact that sex is not a value that most women look for - and therefore
it is not one that we can use in the first 1 of 101 (E.g. I will fuck you hard as an opening line). Saying that risks us getting
slapped. The exception to this of course is a seductress who takes you for a sucker and will try to play you herself (as in the female
seduction example) - only to get played by you anyway! Sex is NOT a mutual experience to a woman because she has a lot to lose if
she gets pregnant. I find that good SOIs tend to be vague enough to be interpreted sexually and non-sexually. Saying things like
Id like to take you home or I want to get to know you on an... intimate... level or I want to make you....very... happy will
cover both bases and attract a wider range of chicks (in my experience)
Also, try not to SOI or build value in ways you cannot possibly bring to realization later on. If the value you build is too unrealistic
(e.g. I want to buy you a Ferrari, get married to you), she wont believe you - and if she does and you dont deliver later on - youll
have a really pissed off woman to deal with.
After this, once you have achieved good rapport with a woman after building significant value, is to break rapport and default her
behaviour ? using whatever logical reason you can. Here you can lay down your rules of conduct, tell stories about why you have
rules of conduct, and educate her in following them.
Then, once you have got her into a guilt trip, you can give her ways to save face. One way will be to go out with you or do
something else.
Note:- Ignoring a woman, walking away, or telling her to go away is NOT part of 101 AT ALL.
Ignoring a woman gives her zero emotional swing whatsoever ? unless you have displayed SIGNIFICANT value, which you know she
will do anything to keep. Persistence is key to getting any chick. Only AFTER you have had sex and continued to display significant
value to woman ? that ignoring a woman completely EVER becomes a technique.
Here are some examples of 101 in action:-

EXAMPLES OF 101s IN ACTION

1 - Build rapport and value with a woman.

0 - Accuse her of something which you dont like, in a rational manner, until she believes that its her fault. (e.g. not coming to see
you, not calling you up enough etc.)
1 - Tell her that she has to make it up to you by doing exactly what you want - if you are to give her the value you gave her
before. (This is otherwise known as a takeaway)
1 - Tell the woman that you like her hair
0 - Tell her its out of step with the style these days.
1 - Tell her it looks nice anyway
(This is otherwise known as a Neg)
1 - Use a blatantly sexual PU line
0 - Say you were just kidding, and get to know her a bit better.
1 - Use another blatantly sexual PU line.
(The direct and powerful PU style of Grand Master Flash. Note how value is built with sex, real intent is disguised as a joke, and the
challenge for her is to have a sense of humour and allow him to bombard her with sexual feelings)
1 - You look like the sort of person that Id like to make very happy 0 - But I could be very wrong about you, because I just met
you. I don$B!G(Bt know if you are the kind of person who likes adventure or intense emotional experiences.
1 - So how about we meet over there for coffee so we can find out if we could really like each other?
(Simple PU opening to entice a woman to coffee)
1 - Remind woman of all the good things you have done for her.
0 - Tell her that she has messed up by doing whatever it was that annoyed you, and that she will have to suffer the consequences.
1 - Tell her that if she wants to be back in your good graces, shes going to have to have sex with you in exactly the way you want.
(Dealing with women you are with, who are giving you a hard time)
1 - I like your foreign accent
0 - It will probably annoy the hell out of me after a while
1 - But its kinda cute
(Some playful flirting. This 101 is tried and tested ? and works)
1 - I want to do anything sexual youll like
0 - But I this is my job, and you have to respect that. These are my rules.
1 - I need $100 a half hour to see if you want nookie.
(How a prostitute could use 101. Note also, that women have to offer sex upfront in order to build value with men before they can
lay down rules and conditions - or even attempt to pull off a 101. Be warned then, of women who talk about sex to you too early
after you meet them)
1 - Woman dresses up sexy in a bar
0 - Woman gets angry when guys hit on her
1 - Woman demands that she be treated right by men and shown a good time (Typical female instincts. By using sex to build
value, laying down rules to enduce men into guilt, and finally by using that guilt to tell men what they should be doing - which
just happens to be what she wanted them to do for her all along.)
1 - I really like you
0 - However, I dont want to fuck you (chick feels sting of rejection)
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(I saw this in a film called Some Girl. A PUA picks up this chick and uses these lines to lay her. I was thrown back when I heard it,
cause it was pure 101. Note that the strength of it comes in the fact that women like to hear make love (unselfish male) rather
than fuck (selfish male) - but the emotional swings are still present - which makes the final 1 all that more powerful when it is
said.)
1 - Give value. Compliment women. Invite her somewhere.
0 - Suddenly, with no warning given, look at her funny, and back off from her as if she has some disease. (Made the women get
self-concious)
1 - Mention that you would like her to come to (wherever you want to go), but you are not sure if shes the right person for it - but
youll still invite her anyway (A style of PU I learnt from a PUA on Guam. He made the women feel very good and then suddenly
very bad all on their own accord - and they didnt hate him for it at all - because they believed that they were at fault. He used
the guilt as leverage to get chicks to go out with him)
There are also ways to use 101 outside the field of seduction too, such as in business or simply as ways to be poetic:
1 - Christ was born
0 - Christ died
1 - Christ will come again
(Its kept Christians in hope for all these years)
1 ? Telling people that God really loves you, and that you can go to heaven 0 ? Telling them that there are rules for this, and that
they must be followed or risk eternal damnation 1 ? Telling them to sustain the organization financially, do some ridiculous ritual, or
commit terror attacks, is their only key to paradise. (How organized religion can be used to manipulate people)
1 - I love you
0 - Ill kill you
1 - But Ill love you forever
(Using 101 to create emotional swings. This is actually a line from a music track by Enigma. Imagine saying that to a chick!)
1- These knives we sell will never go blunt on you Mrs. Jones, and that saves you time and money.
0 - But theyre probably way too expensive for you to buy upfront
1 - So, let me show you here just how you can spend only 2 cents a day over a period of 3 months to pay for them. (A mock sales
pitch)
1 - I really wanted to take you to the fair today Jimmy 0 - But since you didnt eat your vegetables, which are good for you, so
Im not going to take you.
1 - So now, Im only going to consider taking you if you clean your room.
(Parenting)
1 - Thats a pretty dress you are wearing this morning, and you are a very attractive young woman.
0 - Now, dont get stuck up. I just said that to make you feel good.
1-

From now on, I wish you to be a little bit more careful with your punctuation (An actual use of 101 as told in Part 4 Chapter 1 of
How to Win Friends and Influence People. The principle of the chapter was to Begin with praise and honest appreciation i.e. the first 1 of 101.)

DELIVERING & STACKING 101s

At times when you are using 101 to lay down some rules to a chick, or patterning a woman, be serious. Use deep tonality. At other
times, when you are using 101s to create value to a chick (e.g. 101s in storytelling, or flirting) then you can swing your own
emotions around as much as you want.
Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I find it interesting to note how 101s can be stacked inside other 101s. Eg. Using 101s in story
telling (to get emotional swings) as the first 1 in an overall 101 seduction plan.
FINAL WARNING
Be warned to not use 101 recklessly. 101s can be abused to the point where you can severely mess with a chick$B!G(Bs head. This
is very easy to do if you are primarily using 101s as emotional swings. If you overdo this, you can crosswire her emotions totally
and drive her nuts.
You can also come up with all sorts of silly rules for the woman to follow
if you have displayed enough value (e.g. You will have to learn how to quack
like a duck if you ever want me to be nice to you ever again). Once you have
got a deep emotional connection with a woman, use your common sense and DON
$B!G(BT abuse it. Sure it may be fun for a while, but treating a woman badly
for
no reason will take its toll on YOUR conscience ? and then you will have to
re-evaluate what you are really looking for in your relationships with
women, and what you really want them to do for you.
Also, remember that by having illogical rules (that cannot be defended rationally), or rules that most people will object to ? you may
run the risk of being challenged by other men (or other women who are getting a better deal). This can severely affect your social
reputation in a negative way ? hence this warning.

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FALSE DISQUALIFICATION
1) For TIME CONSTRAINED pickup, create a FALSE DISQUALIFIER. For example, if you game on a girl for 5-10 minutes (or
whatever time, be it that it is simply not enough to establish rapport and thus a solid bridge), say something to DISQUALIFY
yourself.
Asking for a # is an SOI.
By first disqualifying yourself with something like:

My girlfriend.. shes incredible.. anyway, she says

If only I werent gay.. anyway, get this
etc etc..

Then structure your reason for asking for a #/meet as FUN, not as a statement of intent.
Trust your skills that youll seduce her so long as you have the TIME, which right now you dont.
2) Hold back your best attraction material until you have her all alone. This is INCONCEIVABLE that somebody would do this.
This is a TRICK. Hold back attraction to disarm, then unleash it when alone.
Use COMMON SENSE.. Its NOT HARD to get somebody alone.. It IS hard when you make SOIs, even if implicit and not direct.
EXPLOIT THIS GLITCH IN CHICK-LOGIC.
Save the BRAGGABLE accomplishments that you specifically did NOT use to your advantage when you met her, for when youre
about to lay her. Hold it back for your house.
If you use that CALIBRE of material early, when you unleash it later (when you have her alone) it will not have the same impact.
The impact will be dulled.
Also, this dodges the whole thing of trying to come off like a showoff.. (to some extent at least)

3) When approaching a hot 2set in a restaurant (both hot chicks), open the adjacent set.
Now the issue here is that (as we always say), you dont want to face your targets directly - you want to be leaning away. Except
that your concern is that your REAL target is the ADJECENT 2set.
Face your body towards the 2set so that theyll overhear, but direct your talk towards the pawn set that youre opening.
If done well, the 2set may open you, trying to get in on the convo.
Entering a large set beside a hot 2set will make you seem incredibly confident, but it will also NEG them at the same time. They
think hes massively confident and cool, but why didnt he ask us? Arent we hot??
4) In stripclubs, the keys are in the pushaways like you know what.. youd better go run around and try to make some money
before you piss your boss off..
The thing is, its in the TIMING.. If you run this too early you lose the girl..
Same with the tactic of conveying that youve have stripper girlfriends before.. If you say it EARLY, its interpreted as you
QUALIFYING YOURSELF to her.. If its said at the perfect time, it hits her in the right emotional place.
Mys loses a hottie like this tonight, but then successfully sarges the next 2 strippers once the glitch is fixed.

5) Once they like you, you move from attract to qualify.

Say you know what? I like you.. you have x,y,z.. Youre INCREDIBLE..
your first impression kind of sucked, but now that I get to know you, youre amazing Youre not complimenting them. Youre acting
surprised when she tells you x,y,z...
Also, the compliments need not be SPECIFIC.. They can be generic.. For example, she says Im german, you reply No way! I
love you!... or you say what sign are you? , she replies libra (or whatever), and you reply No way! I love you!
Just make sure you dont do it when you first meet her. As said, AFTER attraction comes qualify..

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FALSE DISQUALIFICATION EXPLAINED

Sticking with the SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE theme, heres how we can use false disqualifiers.
Girls are attracted to guys regardless of them being socially ineligible or not. The same goes for them being gay, married, in
relationships, etc..
During the course of a full seduction, the girl may become massively attracted, but still not agree to isolation or contact-closes,
because of ASD reasons.
ASD reasons could be that although you attracted her within 5 minutes, due to a time constraint you didnt have enough time to
gain sufficient rapport, and shed feel slutty giving you her # or agreeing to a meet. Or more common, she agrees to it at the time,
but then flakes later.
The same goes for girls with boyfriends (like what happened to me with the NYC chick), where theyre clearly attracted, but need a
false disqualifier in order to justify being alone with you.
I can say from experience that Ive told girls Im gay (I dont SAY IT, but rather FAKE IT through my TALK and MANNEURISMS for a
minute until they freak out and ASK, and then say C&F yeah, Ive never kissed a girl), and then made out with them, isolated
them, etc etc.. Cases where girls make out with me and keep saying OVER and OVER youre gay right? - repeatedly every few
minutes because they need the EXCUSE that this is the same thing as kissing another girl, which their boyfriend wouldnt really care
(ironic, Id rather my GF kissing a straight guy than a gay guy, but thats not how girls process this)
This is very common, and I use it as a way for them to justify it. I mean this shit is RIDICULOUS. But if you have sufficient
attraction game, false disqualifying yourself is enough for them to justify being alone with you.
The thing is, that if your attraction game is strong, theyre so drunk off infatuation, that the false disqualifier is enough to disarm
ASD, and give them the justification that they need to agree to your isolation attempts.
Same as when you get them home on the couch..... Hes gay, so theres nothing wrong with watching TV under the covers with
him... theres nothing wrong with this feeling so good when he draws lines all over my body like this.. hes gay right?.. his breath in
my ear.. oh god it feels good.. and hes gay so who cares?? My boyfriend cant object.. hes gay.. oh god his muscles are firm...
my boyfriend cant get mad, this guy is gay.. oh god why am I so horny for this guy? is it cheating if hes gay?.. oh god whats
happening?.. oh god etc etc etc...
I mean Im talking LITERALLY here. Ive had girls where I did the fake gay acting thing and then replied yes when they asked if
Im gay, and then LATER Ill talk about my EX GIRLFRIENDS and things about girls that I like or dislike. So Ive flat out SAID Im
not gay later on, but while were making out they keep asking youre gay right? as a way of JUSTIFYING it through their haze of
infatuation.
Ive had girls debrief me on this the next morning in bed, where shell actually TELL me that shes glad that I false disqualified
myself, because she never would have done it otherwise even though she wanted to so bad. This is similar to girls who avoided my
kiss attempts, and I pin them down and just force it (after massive IOIs, NOT before).. Theyll always tell me how incredible it was
sexiest thing thats ever happened to me blah blah blah.. Ive never had a bad result. Girls WANT a guy who will disarm their
ASD.

False disqualification is NOT making yourself unattractive to her. If anything, it makes you MORE attractive, because youre TAKEN
or UNGETTABLE. Then EXPLOITING the GLITCH IN HER CHICK LOGIC to amp seduction in the PROPER ISOLATED VENUE.
FALSE DISQUALIFICATION:
1) Recognize that the girls ASD will go up due to insufficient rapport caused by time-constraints, or due to a boyfriend, or due to
her not being OK with the speed at which the seduction is going (religious girls, etc)
2) Disarm the ASD through FALSE DISQUALIFYING yourself (intentionally conveying that nothing can happen - youre taken or gay).
From this she becomes MORE ATTRACTED because you are UNGETTABLE.
3) Get her isolated, and EXPLOIT the attraction that youve generated during both the sarge itself, and the ungettableness that
youve conveyed.
REMEMBER: Girls will ALLOW themselves to become more aroused when you false disqualify, because they justify that nothing will
happen ANYWAY. So they dont CLAM UP due to ASD thoughts running through their head, because theyre not even THINKING
about ASD. So attraction is AMPED, because theyre allowing themselves to just GO WITH IT.

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PUSH / PULL TACTICS FOR RAPPORT AND

ATTRACTION
Intentionally disqualifying yourself to whatever a girls profile is works really well as a neg.
Out of the blue, I just start disqualifying myself.
This is PUSH PULL. Mystery uses the ANALOGY of CAT THEORY to describe it, which is just a cool way of describing push/pull.
CAT Theory: Flash a laser-pointer up on the wall. The cat looks at it. Run the light closer to the cat. The cat sort of looks at
it. Put it right in front of the cat, and then PULL IT AWAY. The cat sort of moves a bit, but still sits there. Again, but it RIGHT
UP to its face, and then PULL IT AWAY. The cat almost pounces. Finally, dangle the light right in front of its face one last time,
and QUICKLY PULL IT AWAY.
The cat chases it and chases it and chases it FRANTICALLY ALL AROUND THE ROOM.
VERBAL PUSH/PULL THEORY:
Disqualifier negs do this.

RICH NEG: Are you rich? No. Then were broken up.
DIVORCE NEG (for rich girls): Im going to marry you, and divorce you, and take half your money..
GAY COCKBLOCK NEG: Hey, are you guys hitting on my boyfriend? Keep away from him, hes all mine. Hes always like this
in public! (Gay Cockblock routine)

MODEL NEG (for models, abruptly out of the blue say): You know, Im so over dating models. Im so sick of being the daddy
for them and having to play up that whole profile.

TOO SIMILAR NEG: I dont think wed get along.. Why? Were too similar..
Why? I havent known you long enough, I cant tell you.
Use these in CONTRAST with C&F stuff like:

I think youd make a nice new girlfriend (Zans line from ZAN ROCKS that you can find in Cliffs List archive, that is a FINE post)
I love you.. Will you marry me?
Koopers Shakesperean C&F Frame (I will love thee for all eternity and beyond.. etc etc)

The key is to go BACK AND FORTH between the two.

Alternate randomely (when your field-learned INTUITION tells you its time to push more buttons actually).
PHYSICAL PUSH/PULL THEORY:
Use triangular gazing, heavy eye contact, or kino, and ALTERNATE it with looking away from her, back turns, looking at other girls,
etc etc..
Go BACK AND FORTH between the two, to confuse her and set the PATTERN.
Also encorporate PUNISHMENT/REWARD as time goes on. So do this RANDOMELY to some small extent at first, but then use
push/pull in SPECIFIC contexts.
She compliments you, you REWARD her with positive bodylanguage. Use NEGATIVE or DISINTERESTED bodylanguage if she annoys
you or shit-tests you, especially while in RAPPORT (in attraction, this is fine, but if she shit tests in RAPPORT then you must use
PUNISHMENT rather than C&F like you would in attract-phase, because this is going BACKWARDS and will NOT work).
So look at 2 possible responses to the SAME statement. One for rapport, one for attraction.
I HAVE A BOYFRIEND
ATTRACT PHASE: mmmm.. THAT, will give you something to do when IM not around..
RAPPORT PHASE: (disinterested bodylanguage, look around at other girls until she blurts but Im not sure about the relationship
or some stupid shit like that..)
YOURE A PLAYER.. YOU GET ALOT OF GIRLS
ATTRACT PHASE: yeah for sure.. but what turns you on so much about players?
RAPPORT PHASE: really? wow.. you know, you look like a real heart breaker yourself BUT, if this doesnt work, THEN do
disinterested bodylanguage.
***CONCLUSION:
Use PUSH/PULL in the CAT THEORY context to gain attraction, and then PROCEED to use PUSH/PULL in the PUNISHMENT/REWARD
context, until her brain RECOGNIZES the pattern and begins to become brainwashed to be positive towards you. (It should take
only a few minutes to have her fully brainwashed..)
I joke with the term brainwashed, because when used effectively it can actually seem like the girl is so keyed into pleasing you
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THE ELASTIC BAND EFFECT

Girls rely on social status as part of their survival. As guys, we know that if we absolutely had to, we could go out into the woods
and live alone. Girls, OTOH, are programmed to gain status socially. That's one of the reasons that they're so fascinated with
relationships, and that they are attracted to socially proofed guys.
This is all generalization of course, and could be disputed. But either way, viewing things this way will get good results in the field.
Anyway, because of this, most hot girls will always want to maintain sexual power over you at all times. When you tease them,
they'll start touching you as a way of TOOLING you.
The "Elastic band snap back effect" is where girls will immediately shoot IOIs at you, the second you strip them of sexual power.
You can use this to get them to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. They garner you some brief fake/temporary IOIs.
But while phoney, you can still use this to your advantage to move the set forward. Here are a few examples:
"I HATE YOU"
"YOU'RE LIKE MY LITTLE SISTER.."
"YOU'RE SO MUCH LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER"
"YOU'RE SO DRUNK.. YOU KNOW, I COULD TOTALLY HAVE CALLED YOU TOMMOROW TO HANG OUT.. BUT BECAUSE YOU JUST
*HAD* TO GET SO DAMNED DRUNK, NOW I WILL NEVER CALL YOU BECAUSE YOU WON'T EVEN REMEMBER ME.. WAIT TO GO.."
"ARE YOU ADVENTUROUS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT ADVENTUROUS I CAN'T HANG WITH YOU"
"I COULD NEVER BE ATTRACTED TO YOU.. YOU'RE TOO NICE FOR ME.. I NEED A GIRL WHO IS MORE BADASS"
All of these have the same thing in common - they garner FAKE and TEMPORARY indicators of interest.
To me, this is absolutely fascinating to watch. The second you usurp their sexual power, they'll go to any length to get it back,
regardless of whether or not they're legitimately attracted to you.
This is a what I call a "PROGRAMMING WALL", which I'll post on that later. It's one of many programming walls.
Anyway, what's interesting is that you can use this in different situations. For example, you're on a time constraint. But at the
same time, she's a TEN. And you want her #, so you can at least attempt to game her on the phone. She's worth it.
What to do? The patented "DRUNK CHICK #CLOSE"
As written above, you use the elastic band effect, and say that she's too drunk to take her #. Of course, typical girl, 9 times out of
10 she'll whip out a pen and paper and insist that you call her. And her friends will even say "You'd better call her" and dumb shit
like that. Even though she'll flake. But this is USEFUL because you KNOW that going in, so you can re-game her on the phone and
gether to meet up anyway (assuming you have decent phonegame, which even if you don't, this is a perfect opportunity to find a
girl to practise on)
Basically, the elastic band effect is a way to get like a 1 minute WINDOW, where you have indicators of interest. It's not a full
method. Rather, its a tactic that you KNOW you have in your arsenal, in order to move along a pickup should you need to.
I *love* the "I hate you" line, as a way of re-initiating a stale set. Damn, its so fucking useful for me. I'll have a stale set, and the
girl is deliberately not making eye contact with me anymore. So I'll just walk up and say "I hate you!", with a smile on my face.
She'll be all "Why?!?! WHY?!?!?!?!?!" and start hugging me or trying to kiss me.
This shit is so fucking ridiculous just to watch. The girls will do ANYTHING to get back into your good books. You can even OPEN
SETS with "I hate you", and the girls will insist on knowing why immediately, and then you can go into some opener based on that.
Where this stuff gets really interesting, is when you start to see it as "programming walls" that girls have. You can start to get
SERIOUS insight into female psychology when you understand the reasoning behind this, which I'll post about later.
I remember picking up this Netherlands chick (a 9.5) that I got into bed although she wouldn't sleep with me (cried about her
boyfriend, and I failed to disarm it, although NOW I know how and I'll post on those LMR tactics later also). The way I got her was
when she was leaving, I said "Oh please, do you think I'm going to chase a girl?"
Immediately she said "Well maybe you should.." It was PURE elastic band effect. She didn't even like me that much yet. It was
just her snap back reaction to what I'd said. Although she didn't like me that much yet, it got her to give me some superficial IOIs
so that I wouldn't look stupid for following her inside when she was ejecting me. With that time I'd bought, I eventually got her to
like me.
My favourites though are the DRUNKGIRL #CLOSE and the I HATE YOU line. They're very important in my game.

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SWINGGCAT QUALIFYING AND CHALLENGING

Guys, I have been in this community for three years and have had some great success. But a couple of months ago I started doing
something very different. Since then, my success has soared. The influence of guys like RJ, Rick, Mystery, Style, Nathan, Juggler,
and Rio has definitely pushed me in the right direction. And even though I still use bits and pieces of what I have learned from
other systems, I am now doing something very different. I feel that I have really come into my own as a PUA. That is to say, I no
longer do pure DYD, SS, or MM; I just do swinggcat.
Moving Forward:
Qualifying & Challenging them:
What I am going to suggest is going to sound a bit odd to you but it absolutely works. And what I am going to suggest is designed
for really hot adventurous girlsthats what I screen for. This shit really works for me: meaning that when I go to bars lately I am
at the very least consistently making out with girls. And often times, getting them to buy into the frame of doing a threesome with
me.
Almost, as soon as I start talking to a chick, I begin qualifying her. For example, I might say to them: you seem like you might be
adventurous, are you? If they say yes (which they often times do, and if they dont, then I am not interested in them anyways),
then I say:
Good because if you werent I was going to walk away because I am only friends with adventurous people...And even though you
might be adventurous, I dont know if this relationship is going to work out because I am not sure you can handle me.
Then I will do the same thing about spontaneity.
Are you spontaneous? Good, then we can hang out. But I dont know how spontaneous you are yet, so I cant take you to any of my
cool places yet.
Then I will ask them about the craziest place they ever had sex (now some of you are thinking: how can he do this so early on in
the conversation? The reason I can is that I have already gotten them to commit to being adventurous and spontaneous, so,
through the principle of commitment and consistency, they have to be consistent with what they have committed to. If they act
prudish, then they will come across as if they are lying about being adventurous and spontaneous). Then they will usually ask me:
where craziest place I ever had sex was. Then I go into a variant of Styles fucked my girlfriend at a sex show in a foreign country
story.
Then I continue qualifying them by telling them that I am only friends with girls who are into girls too (this sets the stage for
threesome activities). If they say, no, then I tell them that we could never be friends because she cannot hang with my level of
adventure (it is funny to see how many girls become bi after this).
Then I talk about kissing. Then I say to them: on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser are you. They usually will say a ten (hot
chicks want to sustain their value as a hot chick). Then I kiss them. Why does this work? This works because I am challenging three
things she has committed to being true about who she is:
How adventurous she is, how spontaneous she is, and how good of a kisser she is. Some of you might not be getting this yet, so let
I will go a little more in depth on what I am up to.
Making myself appear vulnerable:
Not only does qualifying and challenging work, it dispels any player vibe they had about me because I am making myself vulnerable.
In other words, I am telling the chick that I am a sucker for adventurous, spontaneous bi girlsI am telling them how to seduce me.
But heres the catch: as soon as she does not play by my rules, I close up. So, I am a vulnerable guy as long as she is playing by
my rules. As soon as she isnt, I become cold and aloof. Or even worse, I next her.
Push-pull theory:
Another distinction we can make when Qualifying & Challenging is pushing and pulling. I think all good Qualifying & Challenging uses
pushing and pulling.
First off, what do I mean by pushing and pulling?
To push is to push the girl away from you
To pull is to pull the girl into you.
So, for example, when I say, You seem like you might be adventurous I am pulling her in. And when I say, Are you? Because I
am only friends with adventurous people I am pushing her away. And when I say, Good, then we can be friends I am pulling her
in. And when I say, But when we hang out I am not going to take you to any of my cool places yet, because I do not know how
adventurous you really are I am pushing her away.
In other words, when she meets my qualifications I pull her in. And then I push her away with higher qualifications.
EVing (Eliciting Values):
A couple years ago I use to do that a lot. But now I know that this is really just a sophisticated form of supplication. I mean it is
coming from the wrong frame: you are giving her the opportunity to screen you.
Qualifying:
Now I do just the opposite: I tell them what I want and if they say they possess my values then I challenge the hell out of them to
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Reframing shit tests into challenges:
When I say, shit test I mean anything that interferes with or is not conducive with either the frame I have set or the intended
direction I am taking the interaction in. Put in other words, anytime she attempts to reset, interrupt, or supersede the frame I have
set in a negative way, I am being shit tested. So, when a girl throws shit tests at ussuch as, do you do this on all the ladies and
how old are you?how do we reframe them into challenges? One thing to keep in mind is that you never want to respond to a shit
test directly. Now, that is not to say, you want be the sort of guy that never addresses a womans question in direct way. What I am
saying is that you never want to address a shit test at the same logical level or within the shit tests frame (Remember: a shit test
is an attempt to negatively change the frame we are trying to set). Why? Because this reinforces and acknowledges their frame. So
how do we handle shit tests? What I like to do is reframe the meaning of their shit tests. When they shit test me, I turn it around by
accusing them of subscribing to values or having attributes that are undesirable. Then I challenge them to refute my accusation.
This works fucking great. Let me give you two examples of this from real life (as you will read in the field reports bellow, these
examples are situations that have actually occurred).
Suppose that a guy approaches a confident hot girl who is up for a challenge and does not like rejection. Now suppose the guy runs
some routines on her. Suppose the girl then says to him, Nice stuff: how many other girls have you done this to? An AFC would try
to address the question within the same frame or at the same logical level huge mistake! Instead, say something like this:
No, I only do this on girls who seem adventurous because I am only friends with adventurous people. And you seemed
adventurous. But maybe youre not, maybe I was wrong about you. If that is the case, then this relationship will never work out.
Now often times they will then tell me how adventurous they are. Now who is qualifying who? Who is controlling the frame?
Lets look at one more example. This is another one that has happened to me in real life.
There is a certain way girls say, How old are you? that means they are about to shit test you (whether it be that you are
supposedly too young or too old for them).
So I tell them how old I am and then ask them. Then I say, well, you are like ninety years old in girl yearsso, this relationship will
never work out, your just too old for me. And woman like yourself probably couldnt keep up with a young stallion like sexy me. (If
they are really hot I will add, you remind me of my grandmother who is one adventurous old hag, so, she is coolare you
adventurous? Good, then you have permission to hang out with her. I think the two of you are going to be the best of friendsAw,
you are so cute.) I have never gotten a bad reaction from this.
This works on so many levels. One is that when you say, you are too old for me you are now qualifying them, not the other way
around. Another thing you are doing is taking their stupid judgmental chick logic and applying it back to them in an even more
absurd humorous wayvery powerful indeed.
Screening chicks without slamming the door:
The goal is to screen out bad behaviors, not them. You always want to leave enough room for them to change their behavior (we
have to be careful here because the goal is still to set the frame that you are screening them and that anything that falls short of
your standards is not tolerated).
LETS LOOK AT AN EXAMPLE:
WHAT ARE MY VALUES?
ADVENTUROUS
SPONTANEOUS
STRONG
UP FOR A CHALLENGE
BISEXUAL
GOOD WIT (SARCASM)
OPTIMIST
NOT AFRAID TO TAKE CHANCES
STILL HAS A LITTLE GIRL QUALITY ABOUT HER

SOPHISTICATION

WHAT ARE MY ANTI VALUES:

DRAMA
NEEDINESS
INDECISIVENESS
FLAKINESS
So, anytime a girl displays one of my values, she is tentatively qualified. And anytime she either fails to display or displays one of
my anti-values, she is temporarily disqualified. But I almost never slam the door on them completely. If we make plans to do
something crazy and she chickens out (I like this better than flake because it implies a very different message) I will tell her
something like this:
You know, I thought you were a cool girl who was adventurous and didnt flake.
But maybe I misjudged you, maybe I was wrong about you, etc., etc.
All righty thenWe get the general idea: Bust on them, but always leave enough room for them to improve.
So if you are talking to some chick, and she does something that is one of your AVs(anti-values), say:
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And then feel free to walk away. However, if later in the night she does something to prove to you that she does not have one of
your anti-values (or that she has one of your values that you thought she did not have) then by all means, do not slam the door in
her face.
This is how the game is played boys.
Below I have provided three field reports as examples of how this is done. Consider the above to be a Cliff Notes version of the field
reports I have provided below.
Wednesday night December 18:
A buddy and me decide to go out and do some serious sarging. We meet at a bar at around ten. We blow up a couple of sets and
then take off. Next, we decide to go to the Standard Lounge (this is a very trendy, difficult to get into Hollywood lounge).
Surprisingly, they let us right in. So we walk inside and it is fucking unbelievable: Hef is there with all his girlfriends and there are
more 10s per square inch than any club or lounge I have been to in a long time. My wing and I jump into a great set with a solid
nine and she is really digging me. Her friend tries to drag her away from me, but she doesnt want to leave mehuge IOI. Did I
number close her? No, I am a big wuss. So after this, I am in a bad mood. Meanwhile, my buddy is chatting up this very cute girl
with pigtails (we will call her HBpigtails). I can tell by this girls body language that she is really playful and adventurous. So, I tell
my friend that it is so on and that he should kiss her. He tries to kiss her, she kisses him back but then pulls away after a few
seconds. So, I jump in by spouting, Hey woman, you better get your hands off my man. Are you two together? she replies. Yes
I say. The three of us start dancing: me in the front, my buddy from behind, and her sandwiched in the middle. After dancing for a
while, I whisper in her ear: You seem like fun, do you cook and clean? Yes she says. And I say, what dish do you cook the
best? She names some Indian dish (BTW, she is a white girl, not Indian). I tell her that I love Indian food and that since she seems
cool she has permission to come over one evening and cook my boyfriend and I Indian food, but that she shouldnt get any funny
ideas: I mean just because she is a good cook does not mean we are going to turn straight for her or anything. [note: she knows we
are not really gay, considering we had been fondling her while dancing]. She laughs. Then I tell her that she might be a good
candidate for the third wheel in our relationshipbut to not hold her breath because we have a lot of other people lined up for the
job. [note: I am doing seductive role playing (or what Kooper calls setting cocky funny frames). This sets a context for me to
embed some pretty strong frames. Also, since it is role playing and not real, it makes it okay to be sexual. Remember: all women
want to be sexual, but due to social conditioning, they often times need an excuse. Role-playing is a useful way to evoke a chicks
sexuality] More giggles. Then I say, One thing I dont tolerate is drama, and you seem like you might be drama honey, so, I am not
sure you are going to make the cut. She says, I am not drama. People who are drama are fake and I am real. I continue her
thought by saying, and people who are real can really live life: they live in the moment and are spontaneous. She agrees. So, I
say to her in an enthusiastic little boy tone:
Hey, what do you say we get out of here, and go to a gay bar dancing (Remember:
I am still maintaining the role playing theme my boyfriend and I are looking for a third wheel in our relationship). She is a little
hesitant but likes the idea. She says that she has to tell her friends she is leaving before she leaves with us [one thing I should
mention: at this point I had already gotten permission from my wing to hit on this girl. The plan was to take her back to a place and
fuck her].
So we find one of her friends and he asks us how we know each other. I tell him that we are actually brother and sister. Then I start
fondling her and telling him that the relationship is a bit incestuous. She plays along and puts her hand on my ass (notice that I am
using another seduction role playing theme to get physical with her). She says she has to use the bathroom but wants to make sure
we dont leave without her. So she leaves her purse with me. When she comes back she tells me that she wants to take her own car
and follow us to the club. So I ask her where she is parked. After she tells me, I tell her that her car is parked closer than my
friends car and that it would make sense for her to drive us to his car. She agrees, we jump in her car, I take shotgun of course,
and off we go to my friends car.
When we get to the area where my friend parked his car, we dont see his car. So he tells us that he is going to go look for it. So, he
hops out of her car to go look for his car. So I begin to escalate the situation. We start making out. She is really into it and now I
know it so on.
My friend comes back to inform us that his car has been towed. Now he is about to suggest that she take us to my car so him and I
can go to the towing place. But before he can say this, I say, Fuck: him and I came in the same car. She asks us what we want to
do. I tell her that the tow place is open twenty-four hours, and we shouldnt let this be a damper on our evening. We should go to
the club and have a great time (now I am really BSing her because there is no club open at this time). My friend does not realize
this and insists on us taking him to his car. So we take him to the tow place, drop him off and off we go to the supposed club. Now
when we get to the club, it is closedwhat a shocker! She looks really disappointed. Thus, I suggest we go back to my place for
some drinking. Shes down.
On the way to my house I am joking with her. Then I share my values with her. She acquiesces to them all. I tell her: honey, you
lucked out because if you were missing even one of those things I was going to break up with you (said very playfully, of course).
She playfully punches me and says, fucker(I love when chicks do this because it means: you win and they hate ya but they love
ya). We stop at a gas station and I tell her that I am thirsty, so, she buys me bottled water. Then I call Style on her cell. Style talks
to her and tells me says she sounds bubbly. When we get to my house, I show her around and then we start play fighting, in which
she proceeds to get on top of me. We start making out and then I do the one hand bra snap. She says, have you done this to like
a hundred women or something? I say, nope, I have only done this to a thousand.( Guys, when girl accuse you of player
behavior, dont squirm. Instead escalate it). We mess around a little more and then I suggest that we go skinny dipping in my
Jacuzzi (I have great a Jacuzzi that is on top of this deck that overlooks the whole valley). However, when we go up to the Jacuzzi,
there is no water in it. Doesnt matter, she is very enthralled with the stars. So I make up some bullshit about the stars representing
certain Greek gods. She loves it. We start making out again. And then she starts giving me head. But it is so fucking cold that I
suggest we go inside (Also this is a take-away of sorts). We go inside and she goes to use the bathroom. She is gone for a really
long time (note: she is probably looking through my shit: typical chick behavior). When she comes back I say, Your not some AlQaeda member trying to plant a bomb in my house, are you? Asshole she says, I would have fucked you. (guys, this is a shit
test). So I say, what makes you think I want to sleep with you yet? she says, what?! and say, I think you need to change the
battery on your miracle ear. This gets big laughs. We watch TV for a while. Then out of nowhere I turn off the TV. She asks: why
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Yea right! But seriously guys: for the first hour I dont touch. During this hour she is trying to touch metrying to get me turned on
and I am just ignoring her. Thus she says, Whats wrong? So I tell her:! its not you, its me; Im tired. Well, finally I do give in. I
start by cuddling and smelling her. She starts getting really worked up. I start doing other types of foreplay but refrain from fucking
her at this moment. I continue this until she is begging me to put it inside herso elapsed foreplay time is about forty-five minutes.
So, then I start fucking her really hard for a long timesex was really good. In the morning I have her take me back to my car,
which was still on Sunset.
Saturday December 20th:
Some friends of mine invite me to go to Las Palmasa trendy LA nightclub. I decide to meet them at the club. I show up to the club
solo. Since I am there after ten, the line to get in is horrendous. And to make matters worse, they are only letting girls in. At this
point I am seriously thinking about leavingI have no patience for bullshit. Then one of the club promoters that I know shows up
and tells the bouncer to let me in. The bouncer says he will let me inside in just one second. But he doesntfucking bastard. So, I
start flirting with the woman in charge of the guest list. I tell her that I am solo and all of my friends are inside and that the
promoter told the bouncer to let me in, but he didnt. She gives the bouncer shit for this and he lets me in. Next, I find my friends
on the patioone of whom looks like an Albino Gary Coleman (BTW, he is the genesis of the albino Gary Coleman pick up line).
They are with two girlsboth very hot indeed. But one of the girls drank too much and is sick, so, the girls decide to go home. My
friends are pissed because they spent a lot of money on these girls. So, I suggest we go pick up new girls. Next, one of my friends
hits the dance floor; while the Albino Gary Coleman guy and I hit the patio. I start opening setsand I am really on fire. During one
of my sets, my target cuts me off to talk to her friend. So I punish her by talking to the girl behind her (This ends up being my new
target). I notice she has a ring on her middle finger. So, I open with the ring routine. I say to her, Why do you wear your ring on
that finger? She says, I dont know; it just fits, why? So I tell her that according to the Greeks she is making a psychological
statement about herself. She asks me what it means. So, I take her hand and start rubbing her middle finger, look at her hand,
then at her, and then I cut her off by telling her, hold on: I need to talk to my friend for a second. While I am talking to my friend
she is waiting there like a little eager puppy dog. Still holding onto her hand I turn back to her and say, where were we? She says,
you were telling me that wearing a ring on this finger means something about me. Thats right I say, Well the Greeks believed
that the middle finger was the ring of Dionysus. And Dionysus was the God of chaos. They also believed that it was the ring of Apollo
who was the God of order. So, the middle finger means that you are the sort of person that when something comes along that you
really want your emotions take over you but before you go for it, you have to find all your own reasons. She seems not to buy it at
first. So, I say to her, if this isnt true about you, then, honey, you need to put it on another finger. She says, no, noactually
your dead on:
I am very much so that way. She asks me about another finger that she has a ring on and I tell her that the Greeks believed that
wearing a ring on that finger is a sign of bisexuality. And I ask her if she likes guys or girls more. She admits to liking girls but says
that she likes men more. And I say, exactly, you like girls but every once in a while you need some deep dicking(ballsy yes, but I
have never been slapped from saying this). She laughs and agrees. Then I turn my back on her and talk to my friend for just long
enough, but not so long that she gets up and walks away. When I turn back around her arms are crossed. I say to her, Your arms
are crossed, are you cold. She says, No and then proceeds to uncross her arms. I say, much better, that was unacceptable but I
am not mad at youI mean crossing your arms is bad etiquette but you do it becausewhat was your relationship with your dad?
she says um and I say, it was tumultuous, wasnt it? She says yes and I say, I can look at your eyes see that you are still a
little girl; there is a side to you that is very adventurous. But sometimes, since you were hurt in the past, you dont let it out. And
the times that you were most happy in life was when you could trust the moment and really enjoy yourself. But sometimes thats
hard for you to do. And I am only friends with people who are adventurous, so, I dont know if your level of adventurism is up to
mine. So I dont know if this relationship will work out. Then I turn my head (I do this very dramatic, yet playful). She hits me on
the arm with a smile on her face and says, stop (this is a huge IOI). She then proceeds to ask me about some after hours club. I
tell her that it must not be that cool. She asks, Why? and I tell her because I have never heard of it. She says that it is a fetish
club and proceeds to show me her whip. I tell her that I think her and I would probably make a bad couple because we are both
dominant lovers and that I am not sure if she is woman enough to be with a man as strong as me. She tells me that most men cant
handle her. And I tell her that most women cant handle me: they fall in love and then become needy. And I dont tolerate women
who are needy. She tells me that she is not needy (who is jumping through whos hoops now?!) I tell her that I dont go to fetish
clubs but that I am into swinger clubs( I had an intuition that this would be good). Her eyes light up and she tells me that she is just
getting into the scene (bingo). We talk extensively about it (I am really BSing because I know next to nothing about the scene).
Then I tell her: my girlfriend and I are looking for a playmate, are you game? She says: Maybe. I tell her that I have to get back
to my friends but that if she wants to play, she should write down her number. She says, Yes, I do want to play and proceeds to
write down her number. Then I go into something similar to Ross SRT. She tells me to stop because I am making her think about all
sorts of things and that she hasnt been fucked really hard in a long time. I use some negation on her. Then she says that I am
being very aggressive and forward. I say, Yes I am very aggressive and forward, and I dont know if you are woman enough to
handle me. She just looks at me like a deer in headlights.
Then I ask her where the craziest place she has ever has sex was. She tells me about being pounded by some guy at a swingers
party while a crowd of people watched. Then she proceeds to tell me that her ex-lover was embarrassed to whip out his cock in front
of other people (shit test). Then she asks me where the craziest place I ever had sex was. I go into a story about how my ex
girlfriend and I got on stage and fucked at a sex show while traveling in a foreign country (this story was inspired by Stylevery
money indeed). Then I say to her, on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser are you? She says a ten. I say, lets find out. I lean
over and we start making out (a little bit too much tongue for my taste; but she was trainable). Then I say to her in a little boy
tone, what do you say we go find a girl and bring her home with us? She says, yes(Now at this point I wanted to cry tears of
joy: was this really happening to me?! But I kept my cool and acted like this was a normal everyday thing for me).
We then attempt to pick up some girls: I try and hook her up with some of the girls I had sarged earlier in the night and we try and
pick up some new ones as well. But none end up being sure deals and the club is closing, so, I tell her we should go to a strip club
to pick up girls. She is down but tells me that she has to find out if her friends want to go as well. Meanwhile, one of the girls I had
sarged earlier finds me. I start screening and challenging her too. Right before I kiss her, my bi girl finds me and tells me that her
friends are down to go to a strip club. I meet her friends. They are cool and we all get along (BTW, they all ended up to be
swingers).
So the first club I take them to ends up being closed. I am thinking: fuck fuck and fuck. I then suggest that we go to another club
down the street called The body shop. At first her friends bitch about the twenty-dollar cover, but I successfully persuade them all
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For the first hour her and I are making out and I manage to take her in the back and finger her. She is telling me how she wants to
be man handled and fucked really hardguys I was considering taking her out of the club at this point and fucking her in my car.
Then I tell her that we only have an hour and we need to get a girl. She is down but does not know what to do. So I tell her, have
you ever picked a girl up in a bar? She says, yes and I say, well it is really the same thing. This works great. She ends up
making out with this Hispanic stripper. The Hispanic stripper is down to come back but she wants to bring her boyfriend to watch. I
am not down with thisway too weird for me. We get some bites from some of the other girls, but none end up coming back on this
night. Her and her friend wanted to come to my house. She wanted to fuck me in front of her guy friends, one of which was very
jealous of me. At this point I told them that I was tired and opted to call it a night. A couple days later I realized that I had managed
to lose her number (Damn, I suck in regards to not losing numbers).
Saturday January 4:
My Albino Gary Coleman friend invites a friend of mine and I to Las Palmas. When we show up, my GC friend informs me that my bi
girl is here. Furthermore, he tells me that she was telling him how much fun she had picking up other girls with me. And that she
was mad that I never called her. I find her and she is with the same group of people she was with the week before, plus one of her
loversa dominant bi fem. Later in the night, one of the swinger guys and I are sitting in the patio area when all of the sudden the
dominant bi fem starts giving us a lap dance. He starts spanking her and then I start spanking her. She then lifts up her skirt,
revealing her panties. Then she moves her panties out of the way revealing her pussy while she was being spanked (I have to admit
that I was getting a bit aroused, yet I had a feeling that she was trouble). Next, she starts giving my bi girl a lap danceand the
next thing I know, the two girls are making out. They want to do a threesome but I am not down for two reasons: One is that I
sense the dom could cause problems; and two, is that Rick told me that it is dangerous to do a threesome with girls you have not
already fucked solo. Rick told me that this is a good way to get excluded from the threesome.
When I get home, there are messages from her saying that her and her bi dom fem friend want to come over. But I do not call her
back. I need to fuck her solo first.
New Years Eve:
A couple of friends and I decide to go to Vegas and hang out with Rick for New YearsVegas baby Vegas. We go to the Palms and
start our night off sarging at a lounge called #9. We warm up on several sets and then adjourn over to club Rain. I do several
sets and then I find this very hot HBtall blonde with a very pretty face and huge fake titsjust my typeyea baby yea. We start
talking and then I say to her, you know what: You are an observer. What do you mean, I am an observer? she says. Well, I
say, you like to observe peopleyou are a people watcher, an eaves dropper. She kinda chuckles and says, Yeah I am a people
watcher: I enjoy watching how other people interact. And I say, The thing is this: there are two types of people: people who are
observers, like yourself, and people who live in the momentAnd I bet when you are truly having fun, you can stop observing and
be in the moment completely. She kinda of thinks about it and then says, You are very good at reading people, did you study
psychology? Nope, just learned my wisdom from eating a lot of fortune cookies as a kid. They taught me everything I know. She
laughs. Next I tell her that she is very sarcastic, and I know this because I am sarcastic too And that most people cant hang with
her sarcasm but that a person who matches her wit is the biggest turn on for her in the world. She really eats this up, which is great
because I do outmatch her wit. Then I tell her that she is a visual learner. She asks me how I know. I give her an explanation and
she agrees. Then I tell her that most visual learners have great imaginations. She says, yes, I have a great imagination. So I tell
her, lets find out how good your imagination is. I ask her to describe her ideal vacation spot. Then I start doing the cube on her. She
says to me, do you do this to every girl? No I say, Only girls who seem adventurous and spontaneousBut I could be wrong:
maybe you are neither adventurous nor spontaneous. And if that is the case, then we could never be friends and I will be forced to
break up with you right now because I am only friends with people who are adventurous and spontaneousand I am not sure you
can handle me. She rebuts, Oh I am very adventurous and spontaneous, and I am not sure you can handle mehow old are you
anyways?(Guys, she is giving me a huge shit test). I tell her how old I am and then I ask her. She tells me thirty-one. So I tell her
that this relationship would never work because she is way to old for me and she could never keep up with me. She tells me that it
doesnt really matter because she does not look thirty-one (which was true: she not only was very hot but looked like she was in her
mid twenties). And then she tells me that actually I am the old one in the relationship because I am past my sexual prime, while
she is in her sexual prime (God I love a witty woman). Then I accuse her of being a big old perve for always having sex on her
mind. I say to her: I was trying to have an intellectual conversation, but you have to turn everything into sexwhat a sinneryou
are going to burn in hell. Then we start talking about the craziest places we ever had sex. She tells me that she had sex on a
rooftop once. I tell her my variant of Styles fucked my girlfriend at a sex show in a foreign country story. She thinks the story is
very money indeed. I go into something similar to Ross SRT. As I am doing this, I ask her if she likes guys or girls more. She says,
I like guys more but girls can work. I say, Good because I am only friends with girls who know they are bisexual, so for your
sake, its a good thing you said that. Then I ask her on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser she is? She says, ten. So, I kiss her.
We make out for a while. Then I say in a little boy tone, What do you say we find a hot girl and bring her home with us? She says,
Yeah, that sounds like fun. So then I take her to the bar outside to # close her (I wouldnt want to let this one get loose, she could
be useful). As we are walking outside, I have her lock elbows with me (I learned this from Mystery when he was in LA). This is
outstanding because it assumes that we are together. We exchange numbers. Then I take her to one of the numerous tented booths
outside. Since they are somewhat private, they are excellent for molesting. So I take her in one of the booths and molest her for a
while. I should have fucked her in the boothmy bad. So I suggest that we go back inside to pick up girls. We go inside. I go to kiss
her and she pulls back to tease me a little. So I say, you are the sort of person who feels comfortable being in control. I bet you are
in control of your life and that you usually like to be in control with men. But the thing is this: maybe, you are confident enough in
yourself that when you meet a guy that is strong enough to be in control of you, you can allow yourself to get really turned on;
maybe not. I am a dominant male and I dont know if you are woman enough, adventurous enough, to let yourself be in the
moment and give up control? But if youre not who I thought you were, thats OK, we can be friends. At this point she starts kissing
me passionately. It was getting late, and I hadnt seen Caliboy, Morpheus, or Rick (and his driver) in hours. So, I said, Wait here
and I left her to go find the boys (huge mistake). I come back a half hour later and she is gone, so, I leave the club. I find Morpheus
and Rick. I bitch about the situation to Rick and Rick gives me some great advice on how to handle the situation. My thought was
that I shouldnt bang the bi girls until I get them into a threesome; I didnt want them to get use to having sex with me without
another girl there. But Rick said that this could be a mistake because if you have not banged at least one of the girls, then you could
get excluded from the threesome. So, according to Rick, what you want to do is this:
Bang at least one of the girls by herself, so you have an emotional connection with (and dominance over) her. He also said that I
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LA. I have talked to her since the trip and she is very excited about going out to a strip club and picking other chicks with me. My
plan though is to bang her solo first, and then get her and HBswinger together for a threesome.
Boys, this is how the game is really played.
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Style (Commenting on the above, reposted from Mysterys Lounge with permission of the author):
Pushing/pulling. Yes, its best when incorporated into punishment/reward. But, according to behavioral theory, what works BEST is
an inconsistent punishment/reward system. They are rewarded and punished MOST (but not all) of the time. So you dont have to
be too strict about this. But, generally, I am ALWAYS throughout the PU trying to push/pull. Telling her to go away and stop
pestering me, then pulling her back in and asking where shes going. Or telling her she reminds me of one of my sisters, and then
making a GM style comment. Or, like Badboy and Zan, doing things where you qualify and then disqualify her. Things like making a
relationship, then say its not working out. Get engaged, then break up.
This is so key. And it occurs on a subtle level too. Suddenly looking over her shoulder when shes talking, as if shes boring you.
Leaning back. Stopping the kino. These thingspush-pullare in my mind an element that separates the good from the great. They
really for some reason fire the attraction signals.

SETTING TRAPS
Variations on SWINGCATs qualifying and setting challenges stuff. Its disappointing that people havent followed suit, because this
is the pure money club shit... But either way, heres some extremely useful stuff.
Top primo shit for clubbing.. SETTING TRAPS.
Use the Swingcat stuff, and make like youre qualifying them.. Theyll of course qualify you back, and be very playful with you, to
run you through the shit test course.
SET TRAPS EARLY ON, to fall back on.
Traps to lay:
1234-

Were the A-Crowd

I work alot in L.A. (los angeles)
You guys are like little powerpuff girls
You guys are BAD (or) You guys are TROUBLE
(or you are to lone girls.. Just say this.. this is such fucking MONEY SHIT Im saying here, just go out and TRY IT.... randomly
just say after any comment she/they make you are BAD with a playful smile.. girls LOVE to fantasize that theyre naughty
girls, bad girls, etc.. even if they are the LAMEST chicks EVER.. ACCOUNTANT chicks want to think theyre bad.. this is some of
the BEST RESULTS Ive ever seen)

5-

Do the LYING GAME.

(easy to transition to after the you are bad stuff, but you can just do it whenever)

This is SO FUCKING KEY.

What you do, is that whenever you are being playful, and they OUTDO you, you spring your trap on them and instantly REASSERT
alpha status.
So if she teases you and you lack a comeback, you say:
12-

*THAT* was A-Crowd material.. these guys are SO A-Crowd.. you-are-IN

OMG, you could SOOOO come with me to L.A... you are totally ready for L.A..
Id just bring you there, and at first youd need to adjust, but after like 3 days wed be totally ruling L.A. together..

345-

OMG, you guys are FIESTY.. You ARE Powerpuff girls

ooooh.. oooh.. You ARE bad..
fuck.. I KNEW she could LIE.. these guys are BAD..
This sets traps early on, keeps the interaction FRESH.. This is pure money shit, guaranteed to work. (I only write that after Ive
field tested something EXTENSIVELY for like 2 weeks, and its never failed on HOT chicks - which of course LSE chicks wont like
it)

ALSO KEY SHIT:

If they call you players or that you go out to meet girls, you reply with:
12345-

yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,

and
and
and
and
and

I even plan to meet A-Crowd candidates

I even plan to meet new L.A. prospects
I even plan to meet little powerpuff girls
I even plan to meet bad girls like this
but I dunno anymore because you guys can seriously LIE

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CONVEYING STANDARDS / MAKING GIRLS QUALIFY

This has been so key for me. One thing David Shade has always told me is to know what you want in a girl, and not be afraid to tell
her. He does this as a way of seeking out really quality girls, particularly because he has particular wants given his sexual
background. I've heard nothing but great things about his Manual, btw. I haven't read it yet, but have heard very consistently good
reports from many people.
I turned this concept into a routine where I basically get girls qualifying themselves to me. It is very powerful.
What I do is once a girl is totally into me, I start randomly telling her things I don't like in girls. I'll also tell her things that I do like.
I'll tell her things that I think she has, but not things she OBVIOUSLY has, because that is transparent. I'll blatantly tell girls I think
smoking is disguisting, and I think drugs are ridiculous. If the girl does drugs even heavily and is an addict (also known as a typical
model here in LA), she'll almost always get embaressed and say "Recreationally I think its fine", and I'll say "I'm recreational too,
but I just can't stand it when I can't chill with a girl during a Monday afternoon and she's saying 'hey, got a bump?' Fuck, all the
girls I date down here have plastic surgery and use massive amounts of drugs." (This conveys I have dated very hot models, but am
sick of it). I also say "Are you one of those girls who can't chill for even two seconds, and needs stimulation like non stop like a
crackhead?"
Also useful is that I screen her on shit that is somewhat obnoxious, like her school and educational background. Like I'll say "You
went to school, right?" and "OK, what did you study. Are you smart? Do you have a lot of friends?" A really funny one lately has also
been "How old are you?" If they say that I'm not supposed to ask that, I say "I'm not supposed to only if its the wrong age. You
guys look about fourteen and a half. Is that right?" Notice that this kind of question is something a hot girl would ask in a second,
and WOULD screen a guy based on it. I also use something called "Get-it factor" routines, which I'll post about later. Basically, I tell
her about cultural/musical/philosophical/fashion ideas and standards that I have, and get her to qualify herself to me that she has
them too.
AGAIN NOTE: I use these if I think the girl will PASS. I don't say to an obvious introvert or dumbass "Do you have friends? Are you
smart?" To a dumbass party chick, I'll screen on OTHER things, like "Are you one of those girls who want to sit around instead of go
out and have fun?"
Note that its good to use 101-push/pull type stuff, to keep them in state while you do this. Like note that the curiousity routine is
"You're either like the coolest person I've met in a long time........ or like a total weirdo." This 101'ing is what keeps them all
psyched up.
You can also fish out their answers pretty easily. Like I'll say "You're funny. Actually wait. You're kind of fiesty. Are you a snuggler?"
Notice this makes no sense, but I just stack little 101s around the question. She'll either say yes or no, and you PRETEND like you
didn't understand her answer and just plow through with either "Are you one of those girls who thinks that if she snuggles with her
guy for like 8 hours while she's SLEEPING that she somehow got in 8 extra hours of snuggle time or some shit like that?" -or- "Are
you one of those little player girls who can't chill and just lie in bed and feel TOTALLY comfortable?" This is a very easy structure.
Just get her answer, and ignore it like you were still on your thought and didn't totally register what she said. Like as if you're
completing a thought that was already about to come out. The same goes for "Do you have a bellybutton ring?" She'll show you that
she either does or does not, and then if she doesn't you say "OK, good" and if she does then say "OMG, don't show me that" and
make her put it away as if you're afraid that you'll succumb to her charms.
Make a list of what you want in a girl, and don't be afraid to blatantly tell it to the girl and make her jump through your hoops. Don't
be afraid to tell her you don't like her anymore, or that she's "like one of those cool girls in highschool that made fun of nerds".
I've found this is a key peice solution to the qualification phase. Its so powerful because:
-it implies you have standards, and were willing to walk away
-it gets her jumping through your hoops, often lying just to stay in your good graces
-it gets her WORKING for your attention, which satisfies most girls' typical selection system which is them working and picking the
guy, not the guy trying to get them and and them succumbing (which is much less common)
-it builds an incredible bond between the two of you, because you have talked about some serious core values, and you have
connected on things that most people wouldn't connect on. Notice that I use both real things that are my standards, as well as stuff
that my intuition or information extracting tools, so that either way I get a very good bond on things that most people would never
connect on which makes it more special.
NOTE: The best way to do this is to wait for her to tell you something that is either her trying to impress you, or something you
could potentially MISINTERPRET as something you'd like, and then you PRETEND like you're being brought over to her side by
randomly saying something like "Do you have x-thing?" It's powerful, because it implies like she didn't have your acceptance
previously, or it was at least tentative. That's what girls do. When you pump their buying temperature, they'll blurt out things like "I
smoke a lot of weed. (and when you shrug your shoulders like "whatever" they'll follow with) Does that bother you? (again just
pretend not to care by barely even answering)" Or they'll blurt out "Do you have x-quality?" You do the same to her, in reverse. Her
intuition will tell her "He's starting to like me because of what I'm doing, and his natural screening/shittesting system is kicking in".
Make it look like YOUR buying temperature just went up, and you're shit testing or something. I'll randomly blurt out "We'll fight"
and when she asks us why I'll either pick some arbitrary quality she told me about or I'll just say "we're too alike". So keep doing
this as the conversation goes on, and use it at key junctures so that it adds fuel to the fire.

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IDENTITY BY MYSTERY
I read an article recently by my good buddy Thundercat that said:
"But what Mystery does, though teachable, is very much a style tailored to Mystery. He is successful at what he does because no
one else can really immitate him. That's what makes Tyler so amazing to observe. Tyler does the same things as Mystery, but
WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able to create IMMENSE value for himself. How does he do this? Well, from what I've
gathered, his method is more relatable to normal guys like me, because anyone with the proper skillset can use Tyler's methods to
create value for themselves."
Thundercat's misunderstanding between a person's customized style and the game plan or method he uses to systematically convey
his unique personality concerns me. This is because only a few days ago did we share a 3:00am meal at a diner after our visit to an
exotic dance club together.
During our meal Thundercat himself admitted that he doesn't possess a strong identity as I do. I will attempt to resolve his
misunderstanding between STYLE and METHOD as well as reveal some insights on how to specifically customize material to convey a
unique identity (for both you and my friend Thundercat). Once you customize your material to fit your chosen "strong identity" will
you no doubt make others who watch you work wrongfully assume it is your particular identity that gets you the girls and not the
method that powers the conveying of it.
(Thundercat's complete article may be found here.)
As those who have taken a Mystery Method seminar know, MM consists of three main areas:
PART 1. A format (or game plan) which has 3 stages, each with 3 phases.
PART 2. Mental tools to get you from phase to phase (isolation tactics, kiss tactics, extraction tactics, etc).
PART 3. Scripts and personality conveying material (content) to fill in each of the 9 phases.
While parts 1 and 2 (the MM format and it's tactics) don't change from person to person, part 3 (personality conveying material)
does. We each possess a unique identity. You are not me. I am a magician. My wing Style is a writer. Tyler D. is a public speaker.
Does this mean you have to be a magician, a writer, or a public speaker in order to attract women? Of course not! But what you DO
need is what Style, Tyler D. and I share in common: we each possess a strong identity. Style, Tyler D. and I have each customized
our material to convey our strong and unique personalities. That is, in fact, the PURPOSE of personality conveying material. It
certainly would be counter-productive to convey that you are a magician if you aren't one. Nor a writer or public speaker for that
matter.
Tyler D. and Style use the same game plan or method that I do. How do I know? Because we adapted my original (and now out-ofdate) FMAC method into a powerful algorithm together (M3). Both are former students of mine, turned teachers. And yes they have
both taught me as much about the game as I have them since we began. While we all use the same method, we have customized
the material so that we each have a different style. In fact, Tyler D.'s style is still evolving. His identity has, for a long time, been
one with few inherently attractive qualities: a student. This may be the reason why Thundercat, in misunderstanding the difference
between method and style, has concluded that Tyler D.'s material is more applicable to "normal guys" than mine. What this reveals
please me: The identity I have chosen is strong enough to confuse even a close friend.
What Style, Tyler D. and I do when we teach others the game is give examples of field-tested personality conveying routines to
students. Should our students stick to this STOCK materialforever? No way! What they should do is identify who they are and swap
out our stock examples for customized stories from their real life as soon as possible. The reason they are given examples is so that
they can appreciate what constitutes a good personality conveying routine. Some amazing routines are thankfully generic enough to
share ("The Cube" routine for instance), while others must by their very nature be unique to each person.
Like mine, some of Thundercat's material should possess a common theme. He will use this material to draw his target into his
world (and not into Mystery's world or Tyler D.'s world). Thundercat's material must specifically suit his identity. Each person who
uses MM will ultimately swap out the stock routines we teach them and use original material over time.
I'd like to teach you (and Thundercat) an idea I had that gave me an epiphany (and also allowed me to make out with the exotic
dancer I met with Thundercat that night when she later came over to visit me). It's a new concept and I discovered an amazing
FORMAT for conveying your IDENTITY. This idea has been revealed only to those in my private online community Mystery's Lounge
so far. This is what some had to say about it:

CRAIG > "This is AWESOME!" (craigsd220@yahoo.com)

VEGAS > "This is a great post. I had a girl tell me recently that one of the sexiest things that a man does is when 'he gets so excited
and passionate when talking about what he is doing or planning on doing in his life, that he stumbles on his words trying to get
them out.'" (vegas90263@yahoo.com)
DONJUAN > "This is @#*$in great! It gives me a way to structure telling her what I do in a way that is intriguing, fascinating, and
interesting rather than just telling her matter of factly or going CF with it. Also incorporating immediately ... as in 20 minutes from
now." (don@metrofly.org)
I am now revealing this idea outside of my private lounge for the first time here:
GROUNDING: HOW TO GROUND YOUR IDENTITY TO YOUR TARGET'S REALITY WITH YOUR BACK-STORY
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I'm sure you've found yourself in a set and have reached the point where your target says, "What do you do?" You either give her
your honest but lame answer like, "I'm a student", or "I'm a system's administrator", or worse, you try to circumvent the question
entirely with "I'm an ass model."
The problem is you don't have an attractive identity, or if you do, it's not a strong one. Some guys will experiement with "I'm a
rockstar", or "I'm a promoter", or "I'm a public speaker", but your target will either feel you are lying (in the same way we believe
an "actress" is likely a "waitress"), or if they DO believe your evidence, they become intimidated when you get weighed down by the
stereotype they have of you.
If instead of answering her question "What do you do" with "I'm " you can ground your present identity to her reality and harness
the opportunity to convey a much richer personality. Here's how you do it.
Instead say:
1. "Well when I was little I wanted to be a ."
2. "When I was a teenager happened." Tell stories about how you got from One to Three.
3. "Now I'm . Can you believe it?"
Here is the applied format that I used to ground my identity to a recent HB9's reality. It helped to attract her and build enough
comfort to get her back to my place. (Not the exotic dancer but another girl.)
1. What do I do? When I was young I wanted to be a magician.
2. Tell story of my first birthday party magic show and how the money was used to see a Copperfield show. (5 minute story.)
2.1 Tell story of how my biggest audience scared the shit out of me and how I went up and kicked ass. I really get into the fear of it
all. (3 minute story.)
2.2 Talk about my first real TV experience. (2 minute story.)
2.3 Tell her about moving to Hollywood and why. This is a "vulnerability routine" in C&T stage. (3 minute story.)
3.0 Tell her what is now on my plate - my WTF? underground internet show, my TV reality show interest, the book I'm writing, and
my seminars on various topics such as social dynamics and wealth building. (5 minutes of stories.)
3.1 Tell her what I am planning on doing next - illusion show concepts, publicity stunts, etc. (5 minutes of stories.)
That was at least 23 minutes of story-telling and I was holding this beautiful girl long before I performed any magic. The reason
magic works for me of course is because I'm a magician. As Thundercat noted in his article, "Tyler does the same things as Mystery,
but WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able to create IMMENSE value for himself." This is, to me, compelling evidence to
support that you do not need to use my style or do magic in any way to use MM. Tyler D. performs no magic what-so-ever yet can
still, by sticking to the method and running his unique personality conveying material, attract women like moths to a flame. Just
don't go running around telling women you conduct workshops on social dynamics if you don't. Learn more about my good buddy
Tyler D. at www.realsocialdynamics.com. His close friend and business partner Papa lives in my house.
PAPA > "Outstanding post, bro. I've been just giving quick answers, like "professional partier" and then joking about it, but I like
how you come up with a way to circle around the identity value-conveying routines that the girl can relate to you. I'll be working on
this in my sets tonight for when girls ask me what I do." (papa@realsocialdynamics.com)
If I just come in and say "I'm a magician", my target really wouldn't feel that we share commonalities or lifestyle. She would have to
rely on stereotyping. I would also not appear very humble. She would feel that I'm too different for her and I would otherwise overqualify myself. Some women it seems would actually reject a date with George Clooney because they don't understand his lifestyle they feel they lack commonality and this lack creates discomfort. But what if he gave her his back-story and taught her what
happened, step-by-step, to him to become who he is today? This is the concept of GROUNDING applied.
By giving my target my back-story, I ground myself to her reality ("When I was as a regular Joe") so that she could see how she too
could be the type of person I now am ("This is who I am today") if only she were to make similar decisions along the way. You can
even later use this format to encourage your target to ground HER life to YOU during the F2M attract phase by having her stick to
the format. Simply ask, "Woah. Back up. So what happened next?"
Notice in my list of grounding stories above that the common theme is "This is what lead me to become who I am today."
Thundercat too must do this - once he decides what his identity in fact IS. Does this mean he must steal my identity to do MM? No.
He won't be telling stories of his first birthday party magic show. That would be a lie. He won't talk about how he learned the secret
to a card trick by beating it out of a classmate of his, or how years later that classmate saw him on TV and said, "I can't believe
your future changed that day." No, he won't use my specific material. Nor will you. But both you and Thundercat will use material
from your own real life experiences as I do. The format or game plan is the Mystery Method. The personalized MATERIAL you use to
fill in the format is what constitutes your style.
CHEROKEE > "When I was on a day 2 with this girl the other week, I got wrapped up in talking about my plans to become a , I was
just rambling for god knows how long... and the girl, in bed with me, later said this to me: 'I've never seen a guy so passionate
about something, when you were talking about , you just lit up... and watching you talk about it made me melt.'"
(cherokee1511@yahoo.com)
If Tyler D. for instance says "I'm a public speaker", what does that mean to his target? She can only go by an accepted stereotype
and unless she herself is a public speaker (commonality) he needs to explain how he became one. He must explain that if she did
the same things he did, she too would be a public speaker. If he were to say, "I travel the world giving lectures on social dynamics",
he would likely over-qualify himself. If he instead said, "Well, when I was in school I went to this seminar" and "I started to help the
lecturer for shits and giggles" and then "I taught a little bit at the seminars", he would be grounding his reality to hers. He could
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conducted it for the first time with the help of my friend Papa. It was exciting and I was nervous", and on and on all the way to
"Now I travel the world, people look up to me and I make mad cash ... can you believe it? I never would have thought I could do it if
you said I'd be doing this 10 yrs ago", he would be grounding his reality to hers using my grounding method and his own original
back-story material.
Now, how does one answer the deep question, "Who am I?" A friend of mine told me, "You are what you repeatedly do."
I do magic on a regular basis. I perform it almost every day, whether for a beautiful woman or any other other person. Style writes
almost every day (and gets paid for it, making him a full-time professional). Tyler D. mostly focuses on conducting seminars and
workshops. What do YOU do on a regular basis? Besides being a social butterfly that is. Remember, the pick-up arts exists to enrich
your life, not define it. What stories do you already possess that convey who you have become today?
SICKBOY > "Brilliant post! This structure makes cooler jobs seem cooler and more important, and even not cool jobs seem that
much better. The underlying concept in this structure is that you're showing passion, direction, and goals you set for yourself.
Having a purpose and a direction is one of the most attractive things to people. I've known about this for sometime, but never found
a way to incorporate it. The best part about this is that it doesn't come off as qualifying yourself. I like this routine, I'm incorporating
it immediatly." (Sickboy00782@hotmail.com)
GROUNDING REALITY is far reaching. It will change the way you M2F attract, F2M attract, and build COMFORT but will not alter their
basic structure. It will also change they way you choose and structure routines, sequence them (which routines you will use and
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ADDED VALUE BY STYLE

I've been thinking about the game, and how much ASF has down to a science. Yet there's only ONE point in a sarge where the PUA
has no control. Know what this is?
It's the period right after you leave with her number. Whether you see her again here is entirely up to HER. There's no way to
guarantee it, other than to have done a good sarge beforehand and, if you can get her on the phone, some phonegame. Thus, a lot
of people here get flakes, and are frustrated by it.
So I thought that there may be a piece MISSING from our model: And that's ADDED VALUE.
In other words, why SHOULD she call you back? What's in it for HER?
When you DHV (or demonstrate value), all you are doing is showing that you are more INTERESTING than all the other guys in the
vicinity. However, that does not necessarily mean that there's anything useful or meaningful for her in what you do. For a SHB to
call you back, you must offer the potential of ADDED VALUE to her life.
So, to take a crass example, a SHB actress is going to call a producer back, because he can possibly help her with her career. A
party promoter will get the calls back from a party girl. A rich guy with an awesome house and car will get a call back from a
waitress who enjoys being in the lap of luxury.
This doesn't mean that all girls will use you for what you got, it means that when a SHB has a lot of options of guys to call, she's
going to call the one who offers ADDED VALUE to her life.
Sometimes it may be enough that you're funny, that you're offering sex, that you connected with her, that you're the type of guy
she's looking for at that particular period in her life, or that you know how to do that cool Cube thing. But for girls with lots of
options, they need more incentive: What do you ADD to their life? How do you bring them closer to the LIFESTYLE that they want?
I think some people who do well in the field actually do this by instinct. TD, for example, was up here, taking a video of Project
Hollywood to tell HBs he lived there: that was a form of Added Value.
I realize that this may border on AFC-ness, but this is how a lot of AFC who may be wealthy, famous, or in positions of power get
women. If you can figure out how to replicate it, without having any of those attributes, than you're gold.
It's a new idea I've just been toying with this week, but I'd like to start a discussion on it and come up with routines that convey this
that could be inserted into our structure.

TYLER RESPONDS
Yep. Most guys in the community are gaming girls that they think are 8s, 9s, or 10s. But they really aren't. I was the same when I'd
never left my small town. The girls that I thought were 9s were really 7s by big city social scene standards.
So in the community, we'll see many ideas thrown around about how if we convey enough attraction, the girl will go out with us.
What they don't realize though -> attracting may have re-slotted you from the 98% of AFCs into the 2% of alpha-PUAs or whatever,
but that 2% is still like FIFTY different cool alpha guys that are trying to get in her pants. So good job, but aside from the
contingency that you sleep with her same night (which is fine sometimes, but is not totally consistent because of logistics and peer
groups), how do you get her to return your calls?
The only answers, fucking persistance with a smile (a whole other topic I could go on about for hours), and what we're talking about
here which is throwing up BAIT - aka "Added Value".
It's just not often discussed in the community, because by the time guys are getting super hotties, they leave the community.
>When you DHV (or demonstrate
>value), all you are doing is
>showing that
>you are more INTERESTING than
>all the other guys in the
>vicinity.
This is fixed with the stuff I posted in the "How to play hard to get actually for real" post. Make her work her fucking ass off for it, by
taking it away over and over and over, until she's so convinced about it that flaking is not an issue. This will also get her qualifying
herself to you so that you'll feed her more cookies, and she'll be more consistent to her effort down the line.
Also, venue changing and getting her the fuck out of the loud club environment will help, because she can't so readily categorize you
as the "club guy" who she got wild around. You have to become a real person.
btw, want to know a secret not a lot of guys know? The best way to avoid flakes is to allow buying temperature to taper off towards
the end, and to get a logical and rational decision to meet up. Often, I don't get flakes just by opening, doing one DHV, and then
getting her qualifying herself to me in desperate effort to keep the convo going (IOW, I have seriously crossed the social hook point,
so I let her do ALL the work in the convo.. then I'll make plans, then maybe more game to get her all attracted and tonguedown,
then I ease off again and let it taper off, re-establish plans, and eject). But when girls say that they'll meet up, and its while they're
heavily "in state", they will compartmentalize it. It's the same as when you did a mind reading or palm reading in set, and you meet
up the next day and you say "Did you really believe I was psychic?" (I don't use this stuff, but have tested it in the past, and many

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guys get great results with it). Many of the girls will say "You didn't read my mind. What are you talking about?" You're like "Umm,
remember when I did x,y, and z?" and they'll say "Oh yeah.. whatever.. anyway" and dismiss it. That's because they
compartmentalize whatever happens while they're in state, like it didn't happen.
Nothing a girl does while she's in state counts to her. It's all bullshit and none of it is her fault. In fact, the only reason to put a girl
in state is to allow yourself to escalate the situation that can benefit you. That's why Formhandle has posted in the past that
disarming ASD is more important than establishing attraction. We establish attraction because we want the girl to venue change
with us, and if she's not in state she'll say 'no'. But its the connection we build while she's in isolation with us that prevents the
flakage, not the attraction itself.
So just like if you pull out a digital camera, and the girl screams "I want one of those!", or if you say you'll adopt her and she says
"Yes! I always wanted an older brother! Yes YES!", its all bullshit. The same goes for when you eject on a high note, and you ask her
for plans. She freaks and says "YES YES, I want to go out FOR SURE!" and gives you her #. You call the next day and her vocal
inflections are completely cold towards you, and you can hardly believe its the same girl. She flakes you, and you feel like screaming
"Are you fucking kidding me?????"
The reason why was that she was in state at the time that she agreed to the plans. It was like she was ROLEPLAYING that she
wanted to make plans. It's no different than when you do the marriage C&F roleplaying, except she's roleplaying that she wants to
go out with you. If you can calm her down and get her to agree to it logically (ie: via the added value stuff, or even if its just to
meet up to hang) then your chances are better that she'll take the commitment more seriously. Of course some of the girls you do
this to won't give you their #s, and they previously would have. But you're screening flakes this way.
>you do. For a SHB to call you
>back, you
>must offer the potential of
>ADDED VALUE to her life.
Yep. Well not always. I've seen black guys who roll up on girls and say "Yo ma, you fine.. give me your digits.. I want to touch it..
blah blah". Pimpjuice on here can probably attest to this. He'll fuck the girls, ala Secret Society type shit. Unfortunately this is a
fool's mate scenario and not consistent (I'm not referring to PJ, whose game I imagine is very good, but just in general).
>So, to take a crass example, a
>SHB actress is going to call a
>producer
>back, because he can possibly
>help her with her career. A
>party
>promoter will get the calls
>back from a party girl. A rich
>guy with an
>awesome house and car will get
>a call back from a waitress
>who enjoys
>being in the lap of luxury.
Yeah, this is just game on another level. Guys will say "That isn't real game", but what they don't get is that all game is just the
same shit on various levels.
Like, we see a girl who is hot. We want to hook up with her because our children have the strongest chances of survival due to her
genes.
Girls are the same. We come in alpha and commanding, and their limbic brain says "If I have this guys kid, it stands a strong
chance of survival because his alpha genes are good, and even if they aren't his social status still offeres survival benefits". Notice
that the second we deviate we lose attraction from them. Boom, your "true love connection" girlfriend dumps you for someone else.
WTF?@!?!
But this is no different than if our hot girlfriend gained 90 pounds around her belly and ass, and got zits all over her face from all the
twinkies she ate.
Girls will give you more IOIs and show more physical attraction if you elicit what added value they'll need. This is a different thing
than a girl tooling on some rich loser. These girls will fuck your brains out, because the added value DOES turn them on. It's weird
to see it.
I rarely use this stuff actually, except for when I'm in NYC or LA. In those places though, I use it every set.
>Sometimes it may be enough
>that you're funny, that you're
>offering
>sex, that you connected with
>her, that you're the type of
>guy she's
>looking for at that particular
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This last bit is the key. You run a bunch of sets, and they were all great. But the factor that got you the girl that you got from
among all these sets was that that particular girl was at the time in her life where she was open to finding a guy. Because girls are
bombarded with guys, they're often not even open to it except at particular times.
>I realize that this may border
>on AFC-ness, but this is how a
>lot of
>AFC who may be wealthy,
>famous, or in positions of
>power get women. If
>you can figure out how to
>replicate it, without having
>any of those
>attributes, than you're gold.
The difference is that the AFC guys with added value get lots of dates and no sex. Lots of girls running around their house, and no
sex. The PUA uses this stuff and gets laid non stop, and winds up not coughing up any of the stuff he used as bait. He doesn't need
to spend a dime. He just offers the prospect that he might as a way to get isolation, and once he's done he has the *option* to do
what he wants.
>It's a new idea I've just been
>toying with this week, but I'd
>like to
>start a discussion on it and
>come up with routines that
>convey this
>that could be inserted into
>our structure.
>
>Style
>
Mystery's "grounding" stuff is great. C&F her until she pries out of you what you do. Use the "I work at taco bell.. I'm the employee
of the month.. This month, I'm chopping the lettuce at the back.. but next month, swear to god, if you were to come in, you'd see
me making the burritos... up at the *front*!" Then she says "No way! Tell me! Tell me!" But instead of continuing and not telling
her, you say "OK Nancy Drew, I work at x-job.." Then continue with the Mystery "Grounding" stuff he's about to email out in his
next newsletter.
Also, photo routine does this stuff also.
Great post as usual, btw.

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PRERESEARCHED EV
PRE-RESEARCHED EV (values elicitation):
Rather than eliciting the values of a chick on the spot, I use my knowledge of chicks to feed them back stuff that MOST chicks would
definetely be into. Its PRE-RESEARCHED, rather than elicited right then and there.
Its my belief that EV is fake, and that guys who claim to use EV and SS their exclusive sarging method were probably fabricating
or exaggerating their claims. This is not a direct accusation, but just something that Ive experienced in the field. Ive never seen it
work the way that SS claimed it should, in the actual field.
Toecutter has written alot on this, about how it can bore chicks to death. The kind of girls that Im dealing with (early 20s little
princesses) wont talk to me long enough to run a PURE EV session on them. (although of course I can cherry-pick it through less
direct means).
Rather than EV, simply become massively attractive (become an attractor) through conveying a higher-value. I can use C&F,
social proof, mentalism, story-telling, negs (which implicitly social proof you, since you must be with only the most beautiful women
if you would neg a hottie, right? :).... )
Consequently, the woman BECOMES SIMILAR to a man who is willing to fuck a chick who he doesnt like that much, out of sheer
lust. She stops caring as much about the LEGITIMATE connection, and tries to fabricate one in her head in order to backwards
rationalize her lust for you.
However, I do use a FORM of EV, which is PRE-RESEARCHED.
For this, I recall the knowledge from different sources:

Memoirs of an ex-prom queen

Nancy Friday My secret garden
Romance Novels (with my de-crypting of what the themes imply)
various fem-lit (again, with my de-crypting of what the themes really mean, not what they claim they mean in their chicklogic heads)

Then I use the TRUISM idea that Kooper identified from my BF-Destroyer stuff,
in order to FEED to the chick that I am her ideal man.
I use TRUISMS to discuss relationships and social dynamics, in a way that chicks are SO INTO, that they deduce that I am their
perfect guy.
Combine this with the fact that I just teased the hell out of them C&F style, and conveyed higher value with social proof, and she is
stunned.
TRIUSMS:

discuss male-insecurities that your friends have (JEALOUSY), how lame it is

lame little bitch-fights in relationships where partners are insecure, and the lame unhealthy things that partners do to
eachother out of insecurities
discuss how the sex-life needs to be fostered the same way that the emotional life does, and how you need to keep it always
fresh

etc etc (see Koopers post)

I use alot of what Kooper wrote in his truisms post, as well as the stuff from my old-school BF Destroyer Material post (I & II),
except just without the direct comparisons to her BF.
I know what most chicks want, so I prefer to just feed it to them and take my chances.
The downside is that I dont get their trance words and stuff like that, but IME, this is totally unnecessary if you have a great early
game, since the chicks are more than sufficiently attracted by that point.

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BUYING TEMPERATURE
Focus on pushing girls into BUYING TEMPERATURE, recognizing it, and ESCALATING.
-lockup
-unlocked
-buying temperature levels
-escalation
LOCKUP:
Chick is unresponsive. Ask questions, she says "I don't know" or "no", or any blowoff answer. She holds tense shoulders, and if you
say "high-5" or try to physically displace her in any way whatsoever, she says the words "I'm scared / you're scaring me / etc". This
does NOT mean she is physically afraid. This is like a chick saying "not yet" when you go to kiss her too early in the night. She's
JUST saying "I'm not at buying temperature yet". A chick who is locked up cannot even move or give a proper answer for a million
dollars. She is locked up. Causes of lockup can be that she sees her friend hitting buying temperature for you too quickly, and she
doesn't like it, or that you have conveyed too much eagerness too early.
UNLOCKED:
She is now OPEN to being gamed. Girls KNOW what you're doing when you run material. They may not know its pre-canned, but
they know what it means when you tease them - its SEXUAL COMMUNICATION and they know what's up. If a chick is locked up, she
isn't even OPEN to this sort of communication. Once unlocked, you can now begin gaming.
Chicks become UNLOCKED when you don't telegraph interest (check the 25 points checklist), and therefore trust your intentions.
Also,
when you CONVEY PERSONALITY, and they therefore can FILL IN the canvas of your life, they increase trust. SIGNS of chick being
unlocked - KINO TESTS. Hold out your palms upwards. If she puts her hands there, squeeze them. If she squeezes back, she's
unlocked for sure. Likewise, tap her, if she taps back playfully, she's unlocked and sexually engaged probably.
BUYING TEMPERATURE LEVELS:
-enough for her to sit there while you game her
-enough to show an IOI like a giggle
-enough to show an IOI and kino you
-enough to show alot of IOIs and ask you questions
-enough for you to venue change her
-enough for you to kino HER, and give her IOIs, and she still likes
it (usually after qualification phase, because she now feels she
EARNED your attention, rather than you just want to fuck her like
every other guy on the planet)
-enough for you to get physical with her
-enough for you to fuck her
As EACH Buying Temperature increase, the chick will usually SHIT TEST you, as a way of TRYING to throw herself OUT OF STATE.
She shit tests by doing things that if you react too seriously, she'll get upset and therefore be thrown out of state. By passing shit
tests,
Buying Temperature is AMPLIFIED. This is like when Eddy (whitedragonPUA) posted about his HBRugby Lay report. She kept
punching him all night. After he laid her, he asked her why. She said "I just thought you'd go away"... She knew she was hitting
buying temperature, and didn't want to succumb to it so she shit tested by hitting him and hoped that he would back off and she
would come down. Think back to when you tried to kiss a girl on a date, and she said "NOT YET". She doesn't mean NO. She ONLY
means "I'm not at buying temperature yet.. Give me more gaming". Likewise, you try to venue change a girl, and she says "No. But
I still want to talk to you". You keep gaming her, and a few minutes later you change venues. This was because you tried to
ESCALATE PRIOR TO ATTAINING THE RIGHT LEVEL OF BUYING TEMPERATURE.
There are many examples of chicks trying to throw themselves out of state when hitting buying temperature, but then by passing
shit tests it is actually amplified: Chick feels herself getting horny. HB: "You're a player". PUA: "Yeah.. so what is it that turns you on
so much about players anyway" (Response works firstly because you didn't disagree, so she can't get mad for you lying to her and
break her own state, and secondly because you say something COCKY, which hits her emotionally, and therefore raises buying
temperature)
EG: Chick says "we shouldn't be doing this"... PUA responds "yeah, we shouldn't be doing this" but KEEPS going.
In both cases, the chick feels her buying temperature increasing unusually rapidly (because of the PUA skillset), and tries to stop
what's happening.
When Buying Temperature is hit too quickly, it is called FRYING OUT HER CIRCUITS. This is like when chicks giggle uncontrollably
and run away from you even though they like you, or when a chick is at a rock concert and starts screaming and crying when the
rockstar comes out. She has hit buying temperature so fast, her circuits fry out and she freaks.
"Routine Outcome Dependence" is a phenomena where you're too HOOKED on seeing chicks increasing buying temperature. EG:
"Calling a chick a powerpuff girl will make her giggle"... So when a chick isn't giggling, you try to FORCE it by calling her a Powerpuff
girl. EXCEPT, she KNOWS that not normal to say that to a chick whose all serious, so knows something is up (this is actually the
26th 'trying too hard to qualify' thing I guess - routine outcome dependence). The SAME goes for when she's all serious, and you try
TOO HARD to seem happy and fun. She KNOWS that you're doing it to get with her, and it doesn't make sense. That does NOT
mean state match. It just means MODERATE and don't appear PHONEY. Most Buying Temperature tools are to be used to AMP a
state that you see building. She starts giggling a BIT, and you call her a powerpuff girl, and now she giggles a LOT. If she's not
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temperature, and blows you off. Field experience is KING, nobody is above it. Field experience helps us to develop an INTUITION of
WHERE and WHEN to use the particular material.
TO INCREASE BUYING TEMPERATURE:
(First, remember that there are PRECONDITIONS to a girl even being OPEN to you start to affect her this way. For a set of HB10s,
theyoften may not even ALLOW themselves to be affected by your game, unless you have social proof or status somehow.. Likewise,
even fora lesser HB7, if you are smelly and fat and gross, she won't be open to it, even if what you're doing is proper tight game)
--Pump them through emotions rapidly.. (I personally use a detailedsystem of building routines that increase buying temperature..
basically, routines hit emotions through languaging or demonstration.. not hard.. this way I can build routines on the fly and not rely
on canned material - infinite routines via proper understanding or structure and basic creativity) --THINK MAKEUP SEX: How good is makeup sex compared to normal sex? WHY? Because you've been pumped through so many
emotions. This is what NORMAL sex is like for chicks - hence they like badboys, they like skydiving and sex in exciting places, they
like makeup sex, etc etc..
Think Swingdancing routine, think Rollerblading routine, think puppydog routines, think jerk routines, think magic, think funny
kino shit like hitting them and spinning them, think cocky stuff. It runs them through various emotions FAST. Story telling must be
run in a way that is melodic, and talks fast enough to keep them captivated, but also runs them through emotions at the right
progression without talking fast like you're trying too hard.
Talking from the diaphragm in a fun, non-threatening way. NOT GOING SEXUAL right away in front of her friends (this is not for
picking up lone girls, I'm talking public gatherings where I do my pickup.. this is also seduction in the WRONG VENUE, save it for
ISOLATION.. don't be tacky and try to seduce her FULLY in PUBLIC). Remember, talking from the CHEST and not the THROAT is key
here. You must OVERPOWER her reality with your tonality. This way of talking CUTS THROUGH the noise of the venue, without
appearing like you're yelling. Look at how your dad talked to you when he was angry. That is BAD and causes lockup and no buying
temperature increase. Look at guys who have FLUCTUATING and FUN tonality. But who are also ALPHA, by virtue of their
PROJECTION (diaphragm). Just TALKING without asking them boring questions will unlock and increase buying temperature.
C&F WORKS because you hit a sharp emotion "Oh that cocky guy, how could he say that!", but because its FUNNY at the same
time as cocky, she doesn't get upset. KEY: Making them LAUGH disarms you increasing buying temperature, because the laughter
disarms any discomfort.
PUSH/PULL WORKS because as buying temperature increases, chicks have NATURAL tendency to throw themselves out of state.
By gaming them, but pushing them AWAY, they have PERMISSION to ALLOW themselves to go deeper and deeper into state,
because they don't worry that you'll exploit that and fuck them "after all, he did say hands off the merchandise.. I can feel this way,
and he still won't fuck me".. This is why chicks LOVE gay guys. Because they feel they won't fuck them even if they hit buying
temperature. So they can walk around all day at high buying temperature, and not worry that there will be consequences.
FALSE DISQUALIFIERS AND FALSE TIME CONSTRAINTS WORK because the chick says "oh well he can't fuck me.. I can feel
free to feel this".. Or "well he's about to leave, so I can feel free to feel this way"
25 POINTS OF NOT TELEGRAPHING INTEREST WORK because chicks don't worry that you'll fuck them while their buying
temperature increases, since you're practically the first guy not to kino them and lean into them and show interest in them, even
when they're hot and talking to you. Hence, they react "are you gay", because they can't GRASP that you're not returning their IOIs.
They don't say "are you gay" to a 64 year old gay man. They say it to an attractive guy who is turning them on, but not
telegraphing interest like EVERY other guy would when she's touching them and all that ("hands off the merchandise"), so they think
"WTF, this guy's gay", and ask it all obnoxiously (obnoxious, because its none of their business, and they'd never ask that of a gay
guy they're not attracted to).
SUBTLETY: Not telegraphing interest unlocks and ALLOWS buying temperature to increase (because if you convey interest, she
won't
let herself since she knows you'll fuck her), but it doesn't necessarily increase buying temperature in and of itself. It simply grants
PERMISSION to the chick to allow herself to indulge in going into state. As soon as you convey interest (eg: breach one of the 25
points), she may think "shit I can't feel like this", and cuts if off in a fit of anti-slut defense or whatever. SO: Buying temperature is
increased by hitting many emotions rapidly, while being unlocked is more from not telegraphing interest (25 points). They are
discreet, but run parallel. ONE EXCEPTION: By not telegraphing interest, that MAY sometimes increase buying temperature in and of
itself, because the chick may ASSUME that its IMPLICIT social proof (ie: she's not good enough for you, because you lay hotter
chicks).
ESCALATION: At each WAYPOINT, we must ESCALATE.
Buying temperature increases, they want COMFORT. They have COMFORT, they want SEXUAL ("phase shift", etc).
When they hit buying temperature, they say "what's your name", etc, because they want to KNOW the guy who is getting them all
into state.
COMFORT BUILDERS (we no longer use RAPPORT, because rapport is one of MANY comfort builders.. Comfort building is the
better term IMO, because we're trying to build COMFORT into her being at high buying temperature (so she doesn't freak out),
rather than trying to get rapport, which connection, trust, commonality, divulging vulnerability, conveying personality and reverse
EV, etc etc ALL serve to build comfort.. So RAPPORT is only ONE PART of comfort building): It takes roughly 4-7 hours to lay a chick
from start to finish (credit Mystery for figuring this out - awesomely important, though I didn't realize the importance at the time).
Comfort building means BABYSITTING for those hours, while she slowly heats up to be ready for sex - it takes that many hours for
her to be ready, unless she's a party chick.
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shit), but still keeps them into the convo.
Talk should convey who you are, so she can fill in the empty canvas and see the PICTURE of 'who is this guy I'm so attracted to'
Attraction is THERE - she's at that buying temperature. Comfort building means building COMFORT into the state she's in, so she
doesn't put a stop to it. include talk about how its NATURAL to feel this way for the right person..
Examples: Evolution Phase shift routine (she feels its EVOLUTIONARY that she feels like this, and backwards rationalizes), or the "I
wasn't born with a book on what to do.. I just do what feels comfortable" (chicks KNOW the feeling that certain guys make them
comfortable, and ASSUME that they feel this way for YOU"
SIMULATING THAT *YOU* ARE HITTING BUYING TEMPERATURE: "What's your sign? OH MY GOD I LOVE LIBRAS.. Oh god, I
can't talk to you.. you're trouble" (turn away, just like girls whose circuits fry out.. you're TRICKING them to think you're doing what
THEY do, since chicks do this shit all the time because they hit buying temperature for retarded arbitrary shit like astrological signs
and colognes and shit like that)
FAKING LOCKUP AS PUNISHMENT in 'Punishment/Reward': If you're in comfort building, FAKE the symptoms of lockup. She'll
understand what it means when she's like "TD, are you OK?" and I say "I dunno" just like a chick would when she's locked up. She'll
grab you and start talking to try to unlock you. For example: HB "I like oranges" PUA "What? Apples. Apples are gross.." (pretends
to lock himself up) HB "no no no, I said oranges! Oranges!" PUA "oh shit.. I love oranges.." (pretends to unlock) Congrats, now
she's chasing you.
FEAR OF LOSS TO MAINTAIN STATE WITHOUT INTENSE EMOTIONAL UPS AND DOWNS: Some guys complain that in
rapport phase (now called "comfort building phase") the girls come out of state. By using punishment reward bit, she'll be chasing
you. But ALSO, building in FEAR OF LOSS is effective. Think back to when a girl who you didn't like liked you. Maybe back in high
school or some shit. But then you realized that she never liked you. You LOSE the validation you got. You start to obsess. You start
to like her. Likewise, you have a state relationship. But she starts to get into another guy. OH SHIT, you're obsessing over her
again. Or you make HER jealous, and now she's back into you (even when it was stale). This is the power of FEAR OF LOSS. Fear of
loss REMINDS us of how attracted we are. In comfort building, encorporate fear of loss and punishment/reward, so that you don't
suffer the phenomena of losing the chick at rapport phase (aka comfort building phase) because the interaction has lost its charge.
KEYS: If you FAIL to ESCALATE, the pickup is often OVER.
Example:
1) If you don't stop busting on her, she looses interest after a while, because you're being too emotionally intense for her. She
needs COMFORT built into the high buying temperature you're generating. This is why you get guys who are good at opening at
attracting, but have difficulty closing unless its a party-chick. This is the phenomena of "OVERGAMING" ***Think of pickup as
FOREPLAY. You're ramping her up for something, the same way you would when you're giving her oral or fingering her. You're
getting her PRIMED. If you stimulate a chick for too long before you fuck her, she gets BURNT OUT. When a guy puts a chick into a
high buying temperature, and just keeps trying too hard to increase it beyond what it can even naturally go to, he has overgamed.
Instead, build COMFORT into the state she's in.
If you don't phase shift out of comfort, she gets bored or something (maybe you're beta or not interested)
3) Final escalation - ARGHHHH!! (I got burnt on this FIVE times, until I RECOGNIZED it) If you keep them SEXUAL but don't escalate
to FUCK them, its too intense for too long, and they say "I'm tired" or "I feel sick". This is guaranteed. What happens is they get
actually QUEASY from you keeping them sexual without fucking them for TOO LONG. If anyone else has had this happen, report
back. Have you guys seen this before? Its JUST LIKE the "what's your name" IOI. It's something that CONSISTENTLY HAPPENS
under specific circumstances.
QUALIFYING AS A WAY OF 'TRUMPING' SOIs: When you qualify the chick to you, you've now conveyed to her that you're
interested in her for reasons BEYOND her being a nice piece of ass.
So BEFORE, the reason girls in public gatherings would snuff you off when you showed interest was because she thought "he only
wants to fuck me".
By making her chase, and then showing her WHY you've found yourself interested in her, she now thinks "well he showed me a
signal of interest, but I EARNED it, so its because I'm a Libra and because he felt comfortable talking to me and because I told him I
got an A+ in my psych100 class" (If you're interested to read more on this, you can read "pickup of HB10GF" post of mine in my
archive, around late last spring, to review how I qualify chicks to me, to convince them they earned it)
If I take a girl's phone#, I find I MUST qualify her prior to taking it. This is because the MERE ACT of phoning her can be a signal of
interest. But if I've run my qualification phase, then its NO PROBLEM that I'm telegraphing some interest by phoning, since its
WARRANTED. BY QUALIFYING THE GIRL, SHE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEING AT HIGH BUYING TEMPERATURE - SHE DOESN'T FEEL
LIKE A SLUT AND SHE APPRECIATES IT. Have you guys ever teased a girl and got her back into your car. But you can't KEEP HER IN
STATE INDEFINETELY. This is because she comes out of state if you stop running game on her (VERY hard in a moving car while
you're trying to drive her back to your place). Instead, qualify her, so she'll WILLINGLY STAY IN STATE (aka buying temperature).
She's gone into buying temperature, she's chased you, she's EARNED your attention. So now its *OK* that you're showing interest
at this point. She'll be fine with it - of course. If you plan to give an SOI in your game, its at THIS POINT that it is less likely to blow
you out.
LOGISTICS:
Working out logistics is important.
1) Chicks CONSTANTLY look at eachother while they're being pushed into buying temperature. Watch while you sarge, as they
CONSTANTLY keep looking at one another to see what state they're in. If they give the "girl code" look that one is not in state, they

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ALL leave. Chicks NEED to feel that ALL their friends are feeling it TOO, so they don't get looked down on by their friends. This is
why social proof is SO important in public gatherings. If ONE chick is not at the SAME buying temperature, then she SEES that her
friend will fuck you if she leaves her alone, and she drags her away. You must NOT put a girl TOO FAR into buying temperature in
front of her friends, unless you keep them together.
BTW: One reason chicks like socially proofed guys is that they SEE that many other chicks have gone into buying temperature, so its
"OK" to allow themselves to do so. Also, if you've read my routine where I get my wingman in on 2sets where his chick isn't liking
him, I say "your friend is ignoring my friend.. I don't want him to be lonely.. I'm gonna go", and then YOUR chick will start saying to
her locked up friend "no, he's cool.. I like him he's cool.. blah blah", and all of a sudden the previously locked up friend now OPENS
UP to your wingman, and now BOTH chicks will fuck you.
2) 2sets are EASY to fclose when you have a competent wing. Why? Because they BOTH go into buying temperature, and since
NEITHER will object, it just happens.
3) The smart PUA does as LITTLE as possible to hit the next buying temperature. This way he doesn't exhaust his material, and he
doesn't risk the girl FRYING OUT HER CIRCUITS (rock concert style), or possibly her detecting what you're doing and cutting it off.
Also, its better, because if she is ONLY at "venue change" buying temperature, then her friends will SENSE this and be less likely to
object to you taking her away from them. AFTER you have her away from her friends, you can now pump her up all the way to full
buying temperature, and now you've STRATEGICALLY played your game, so that you don't get cockblocked.
4) WHEN to venue change? Experiment with this - but IMO a great exercise to play with (I like it, anyway) is to practise ALWAYS
going for venue change as soon as you get the feeling she'd say yes. That means just sticking out your arm for her to hook arms
with you, and saying "I am DYING for -whateverthing-... let's go" (do it like she's your little sister, who you have to cart around).
Test this
for 2 weeks, and you'll be able to pull 75% of every girl you open for an instant date at least. But WHEN do we go for it IDEALLY?
Well
the GOAL is to have a proper comfort building LOCATION. That means that if its a superloud club, or a fast paced area, or a dark
creepy area, go for the venue change ASAP, to somewhere more ideal. However, if its a good area to build comfort (not too loud or
weird, and the friends are cool with the two of you getting to know eachother so they don't interrupt), then just keep it going in that
area for as long as you need. Barring both of those (time issues), move it rapidly to QUALIFY phase, so that you can get a # or a
meet plan, and then she'll be happy to meet up with you later (aka: TIME BRIDGE), where you can CONTINUE the pickup. For
example, with a shooter girl, you rarely have the time to run a full pickup. The ONLY goal is to get to qualify phase as quickly as
possible, and then bridge to continue the pickup later while she's not working.
5) When to kiss/phaseshift? For me, kissing is not an ATTRACT tactic, to get a girl thinking "god I want sex so bad, let's go!".. It's a
COMFORT BUILDING tactic, and a QUALIFYING tactic. To avoid flakes, and improve odds of a girl wanting to go somewhere with
you, we want comfort. This is why guys who smoke weed (not me) get girls home with them very easily "let's go smoke a joint". It's
because the girls know they have commonality and a feeling of comfort back at the guys house (they both smoke, they both feel
high).. Hell, they even have the reason for isolation (illegal to smoke in public.. let's go somewhere private). For guys who don't use
drugs, we get the same kind of effect with comfort building. As for phase shifting, this is just ONE MORE type of way to build
comfort and qualify her. You're showing her 1- you have PHYSICAL COMPATIBILITY (so she isn't worried "oh god, is the first kiss
going to be good or not?"), and 2- she is physically good for you, so she earned it that way (you say "wow.. woooo... OOOOOOK
that's enough")... IOW, you don't TONGUE HER DOWN and FINGER HER in the club. You just kiss or better yet (my preference), to
kiss a BIT, but then hold back. Like you're alpha enough to kiss - you're not scared whatsoever. You're just not a TACKY CLUB
MAKEOUT GUY of the night - you're for real. So phase shifting and kissing is fine under the right context. It's not hard to get hot and
heavy with a girl in a public venue, but for me, I find that if I haven't qualified her and put in my time with her first, I become the
"club guy" who she gets buyers remorse for. (If you have female friends, you'll hear them coming home from clubs with all that "I
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STRATEGIC BUYING TEMPERATURE ESCALATION

More esoteric advanceness.....
Its only natural that on an emotional level, we want to increase buying temperature as quickly as possible. Still, this isnt always
the best thing because it can break trust and it can seem unnatural.
If I want to show off to guys, Ill pump buying temperature as quickly as possible and go for fast makeouts and extractions. This is
fun for me and is great to amuse myself, but it will often garner LMR down the line, and definetely is not ideal for getting a
girlfriend.
Instead, Ill often stack high impact material with low impact stuff. Like Ill actually deliberately allow the energy level of the set to
decrease as much as possible and then recussitate it as I go along.
So Ill add in peices that are INTERESTING but not high impact in between all my main bits. For example, Ill talk about how
because I travelled for two years and didnt get to watch the news, I didnt realize how bad it was to watch that stuff until I came
back and saw it and felt all fucked up over it. Anything interesting and not begging for rapport with them, but at the same time that
isnt going to have their buying temperature pumping through the roof. Ill allow it to continue so long as attraction is there at least
somewhat, and then as soon as I see it slipping Ill turn back to tried and true hard hitting attract material. This is a form of
fractionation.
This takes discipline, because as guys we want as many IOIs as possible, and if we have an easy way of getting them then its
tempting to just go for the juggular. But to play a solid game, we can stack in just interest material between the high impact stuff,
to moderate the energy level of the set.
It takes having a strong frame, and being obviously a very cool guy, so that the girls will be willing to listen to the dryer content.
Another benefit is that you dont get the deer-in-the-headlights effect, which means that the girls will be more likely to contribute to
the conversation, which will make Qualification more realistic. Also it gets them working, which is useful to start the process of
getting them chasing, which makes phase shifting easy.
Ill post FRs on this later. Point is, for guys who are having difficulty exploiting attraction, try deliberately playing with the various
energy levels in set, and see how low you can go without losing the set. Challenge yourself to get it back up. This way, youll learn
more about your limits, and youll learn more about social interaction.

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SWITCHING GEARS AND READING SIGNS

I have CODIFIED street-walkups on moving targets, and can now PU moving targets with extremely HIGH HIGH consistency.
I have worked it into 4 main areas:

C&F
rapport
don juan
phase shift / gunwitch

Throughout the pickup, the chick will give you SIGNS as to what you NEED TO DO in order to fuck her. I can DEMONSTRATE this in
field, and once you learn to RECOGNIZE it, it is almost EERY.
AGAIN, THROUGHOUT THE PICKUP SHE WILL SAY THINGS TO HELP GUIDE YOU TO ALL THE
WAY TO FUCKING HER.
When she is testing or being bitchy or neutral, you use C&F. That engages her.. She shit tests to see how you will REACT (I am the
shit test master and always pass using the material from my dissecting shit testing measures, therefore engaging her sexually).
So shit testing is her way of conveying I need to see if you are alpha/worthy/etc Then, after you do this, she will start saying
whats your name (classic IOI).. you respond with guess a few times, but then right away start to GENUINELY FLUFF TALK HER
so she feels she KNOWS you. You will NOTICE that once youve done the C&F, ALL OF A SUDDEN the fluff talk almost seems
SEXUALLY CHARGED. This is because her asking about you is her way of telling you I need to know you better for you to fuck
me.. Same as when shes attracted but SAYS she needs to be friends first. Just fluff until youre connecting (IOW NO MATERIAL
WHATSOEVER - JUST PURE FLUFF TO GAIN RAPPORT), and then switch gears again.
Youll notice that this sort of fluff is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than LJBF fluff where youre getting nowhere, because you WAITED for her
signs that she NEEDS fluff talk to fuck you. You will C&F BUST ON HER until she starts trying to gain rapport with you. ONLY THEN
DO YOU FLUFF.
Then, you need to PHASE SHIFT. A great way to do this is like this:
Are you an intuitive person. Yeah.. OK.. Do you consider yourself intelligent.. yeah.. OK.. do you understand directions.. yeah..
OK.. Put your hands here (point your palms straight up)..
Then go into the RING FINGER ROUTINE, followed by ROMAN SOUL GAZING ROUTINE, followed by EVOLUTION PHASE SHIFT KISS
CLOSE. You can use the CUBE or palmreading also, if youre clever.
You use the PATTERNING to INITIATE the PHASE SHIFT. So, IOW, there are really only THREE areas, not four. BUT, you USE the
patterning to INITIATE the FULL NEUTRAL GUNWITCH STYLE phase shift.
First gear: C&F
Second gear: rapport
Third gear: initiate phase shift by changing to emotional talk
Fourth gear: FULL NEUTRAL convo, where you focus EXCLUSIVELY on eachothers body language and moving your faces closer to
one another, TRIANGULAR GAZING, etc.
First gear can take anywhere from 1 minute to around 35 minutes, for a girl that is INCREDIBLY testy.
THE KEY TO PASSING THE SHIT TESTS, IS A FORMAT. HERE IT IS:

agree

creatively misinterpret as a GOOD THING

-*possibly* misinterpret that although she said a good thing, she cant have
you
TEST: youre short
REPLY: yeah(AGREE).. so what is it about short guys that turns you on so much?
(CREATIVELY MISINTERPRET HER AS SAYING SHE WAS COMPLIMENTING YOU)
Second gear just takes long enough for you to be utterly smiling at eachother, and feeling a strong connection, but MUST E-N-D
before it goes LJBF.
Third gear takes around 3 minutes usually, but basically just long enough to draw yourself in closer and closer.
Fourth gear takes around 1-2 minutes, and you use TRIANGULAR GAZING and look at her lips, to constantly gauge if shell let you
kiss her. You can also use fingers through hair for this.
The MAIN thing to take from this post, is that when you engage her, she will do LITTLE THINGS to give you SIGNS on WHAT SHE
NEEDS for you to fuck her. Bitchiness means C&F. All of a sudden asking you things about yourself for no reason means rapport.
Once that is set, its ON YOU to switch gears and phase shift, by whatever method you like. With PARTY GIRLS, you will probably
NOT NEED TO MAKE USE OF THIRD GEAR.
Truly there are only THREE gears, but I wind up using the Don Juan bullshit to slip into FOURTH GEAR so often, that Ive included it.
If you would like to see SCIENTIFIC PROOF of girls SUBCONSIOUSLY trying to help you, try this EXPERIMENT. In the middle of a
pickup, when she asks you something repond with what will you do for me.. if you are engaging her on a DEEP LEVEL, she will
respond with Im not sure yet in HYPNOTIC ZOMBIE LIKE FASHION, and proceed like you HAD NOT EVEN ASKED THAT. Like,
shell say Im not sure yet in the MIDDLE OF THE SENTENCE, and continue on talking like you HAD NOT ASKED. Fucking WEIRD
SHIT, and Ive seen it like 30 times now IN FIELD always the SAME THING if the PU is going well.

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This is UTTERLY FUCKED UP TO WATCH, and STILL when I see that ZOMBIE TRANCE response I get weirded out. Try it, this is a
fucking WACK BREAKTHROUGH that Ive realized, but can now get with chicks on walkups so consistently by recognizing this, it
actually fucks my head up. Dont ignore this post. Im telling you guys, this shit is very accurate.

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SPASTIC LATE NIGHT RAMBLING

PART 1 of 3
It was with CPowles in mind that I sat up the other night, composing this text. Composition time four or five intense hours of
frantic non-stop typing and brainstorming. CPowles speaks often of the next level, and has sought it out through exploration of
SP-Inner threads, and various other means.
Its odd, given my strong philosophical background and training, that most of my PU-notes are firmly rooted in very practical terms.
What follows, however, is more abstract, melodramatic, and generally incomprehensible, in comparison to a typical post. I enjoy
writing, as well as discussion PU theory, as a hobby. I could easily edit it to a high level of readability, as with any of my academic
work (I generally write tired as fuck, and turn to the task of editing when I wakeup). But given that I have no legit incentive to do
so, and that I prefer to see what headspace I was in when I review my notes later on down the line, Ive left it as is.
CPowles may very well disagree with what much of what Ive written, which isnt particularly my concern here. Through my
exhausted haze, this is what spewed forth as whats been the next-level shit for ME in the past few months. An organization of my
thoughts on whats been working, for my own benefit, and for my later review. Ive posted them here, for anyone interested in
digging through them. If you decide to undertake the task of reading this, Id recommend that you set aside an hour, and just let it
soak in. Feel free to comment.
The post takes for granted the readers familiarity with the following:
Gunwitch Method Gunwitch
Qualifying, push pull Swingcat
Cocky/Funny Frames Kooper
You will make a nice new GF - Zan
Approach Invitations - Formhandle
Dissecting shit testing measures TD
Setting traps TD
Boyfriend destroyer material, parts I & II TD
How to really PU, actually for real TD
Anamolies - TD

TylerDurden

PREAMBLE PICKUP IN THE DEEPEST ABSTRACT. THE TRUE PUA.

A few months ago, in chat with TokyoPUA, the term PU lab was thrown around. TPUA advised me that I should ANCHOUR the
feeling that the WORLD is my pickup EXPERIMENT LAB, and that THAT was the key to getting GOOD. It was funny, because that
was something that Id done for a long time, but hadnt really been able to devise such a clean way of articulating it.
Of all the reactions that I get when meeting people from our internet chat group, the most common is an utter shock at how
unhesitant I am to try ANYTHING that I think could be even moderately funny or useful. For me, trying something absolutely
outrageous is EXCITING, not SCARY.
They say TD, you are fucking CRAZY.
WHY?
Because I live in, and project, my OWN REALITY. I am INTERNALLY centered, not EXTERNALLY centered.
Look at the PUA Mystery. The guy has been on the internet for years, but has barely absorbed one single damned thing that he
didnt invent himself. Of the few odd things from others that he DID absorb, hes literally 100% CONVINCED that he made up
HIMSELF. Certifiably DELUSIONAL. And YET, this guy is the absolute pickup MASTER. Does he piss people off with that attitude??
YES. But who gives a fuck??? While everyone else is moaning and groaning, hes busy busting his load on the face the latest
covergirl(s) of Penthouse Magazine, or whatever flavour of the week it is this time..
So whats the KEY to seeing the pickup game CLEARLY??? Existing in YOUR
reality, and not the reality of OTHERS. Only then can you see things CLEARLY
make adjustments, calibrate, innovate, experiment, etc etc etc
Think back to when the name TylerDurden FIRST appeared onto this internet chat board back in late August People were all in a
fuss, like who the fuck IS this guy??? Threads were popping up left and right, like how did you get this good??? FUNNY THING
WAS, that I didnt post ANYTHING that was ANY better than what OTHER people were posting. My posts were AVERAGE at best.
There was NO indication or statements from me that I was good. But many people ASSUMED success, because of my utter
DISREGARD to the consequences of what was being posted. Note this, as most people intuitively associate people who are
INTERNALLY CENTERED with SUCCESS.
When were fucking around on the internet, my homeboy EDDY and I post DUMB SHIT, like WHITE DRAGON, and we are THE
SHIT, and ARGHHHHH, because we think its FUNNY to see the dumb-ass REACTIONS of other people living in OUR reality. Its not
something that we ARTICULATE, or CONSCIOUSLY even realize that were doing. But rather, a CONSEQUENCE of the MENTALITY
that we take with us EVERYWHERE that we go. It is not intentional, but the consequence of an overall ATTITUDE.
But why post my pickup notes onto the internet in such RAW form??? Why not adjust them in a way that will garner praise, like
respected posters (Juggler, Formhandle, etc)??? It wouldnt be hard. And everyone would approve. So why not, then???
Because for me, its FUNNY to see the REACTIONS. If all I got was this is really great, and none of the GOOD STUFF, then I would
LOSE MOTIVATION. My ATTITUDE is carried over into my internet postings, the same way that its carried over into the REAL
external world.
When people post funny shit like this is just so outrageously out of line, and Im so disgusted, and Im so outraged at your
arrogance onto the INTERNET, we think its FUNNY SHIT, because you are EXTERNALLY CENTERED and living in OUR REALITY, even

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through the INTERNET. While you are EMOTIONALLY BLOWN OVER, because you NEED TO GET YOUR REALITY BACK, we are
UNAFFECTED. For a guy like Nerve1, for a recent example, thats why he has to spend ALL DAY in discussions with Paps (a real life
friend) about finding me (an internet text-projection on his computer monitor) and hurting me, and devoting his REAL LIFE time,
sending some guy on the internet LENGTHY implied threat emails..
Its not because Im legitimately worth his TIME. Nor is saving ASF. Its because UNTIL he does, he can NEVER get his fragile
reality back. He is ENEMY CENTERED, and his existence is MAGGOT RIDDEN SHIT until he gets that EXTERNAL validation. And until
he can let that go, and find himself internally, he is forever my BITCH.
For that reason I DEDICATE this latest material - COCKY as ever so as to remain true to expected form - to my BIGGEST FAN of all
time, NERVE1, who I can only HOPE will draw CONTROVERSY and ATTENTION to my posts with his grumblings, and thus provide me
with some brief diversionary entertainment.
Because to the PUA firmly planted in his own reality, the shit-talking cocky posts will seem FUNNY.. That guy sure talks alot of shit..
What a joker.. He seems like a fucking CHARACTER.. Id love to hookup with that guy and wing some shit.. see what hes really
got.. They see if for what it is truly worth
JACKSHIT. Just some dudes clowning around. While to the unsuccessful and frustrated PUA, the posts will seem atrocious and
arrogant. They will become ANGERED and OUTRAGED at way that is REMINDS them of their own shortcomings, and their
INABILITY to assert their OWN REALITY. The successful PUA has not the TIME nor ENERGY to do anything other than laugh and sift
out anything useful, while the unsuccessful PUA has all too much time, to DWELL, and be REMINDED. The unsuccessful PUA is
COMPULSIVELY COMPELLED to spend their limited TIME and ENERGY fighting a battle that exists only in their own mind all over the
internet. Such is also the case with Ray Gordon.
Such people are like the lobbyists who get pissed off at EMINEM. They are not ABLE to see the HUMOUR in it, because their reality is
so FRAGILE. And when Eminem comes back with I am whatever you say I am adapting through escalating and enhancing the
behaviour for which hes criticized, the lobbyists are POWERLESS to put a stop to it.
He is ULTIMATELY ATTRACTIVE to women as a result, because despite his very average looks, he is INCORRIGIBLY internally
centered.
And many of you will walk away having read this, INSPIRED, thinking that you can ACQUIRE or INTERNALIZE this reality-asserting
internally-centered mentality into your essence.. However, this is both WRONG and IMPOSSIBLE.
You cannot INTERNALIZE this attitude, because its something that is ALREADY WITHIN YOU. Its something that is STIFLED and
CONFINED by your PRIDE and your PERSONA. In order to get IN TOUCH with that which is WITHIN YOU ALREADY, you need to L-ET == G-O of your ARTIFICIAL PERSONA that you have CREATED, and get to the true ESSENCE of what you are.
You cannot ACQUIRE this way of thinking. You can only LET GO of that which STIFLES it.
WHY the name TYLERDURDEN?? Is it because I want to think that Im Brad Pitt??? NO. When I saw the movie Fight Club, I was
INSPIRED. I finally UNDERSTOOD. I GOT IT. I realized that you have to LET GO of those things that are CONFINING you, in order
to assert your OWN reality.
WATCH FIGHT CLUB, and UNDERSTAND the MESSAGE of the movie. See BEYOND its pop-culture flavour, and the cool shit that
happens in the movie, and look at the UNDERLYING THEME.
PUA COMMANDER ZAP was asked what do you do when a chick gives you a sarcastic compliment? He answered that you should
STOP ANALYZING what it meant, and EXPLOIT the opener that the chick has provided. I read that, and I SNAPPED INSTANTLY. I
UNDERSTOOD that I had to LET GO of my FALSE PRIDE, and finally come to a mental place where I could OBJECTIVELY analyze and
understand the process of pickup. SO MANY TIMES Id reacted to potentially sarcastic compliments by snubbing the chick, because I
felt that I had to RETAIN my persona. What Commander Zap was suggesting, was to LET GO of that persona, and become TRULY
disassociated with the social-layer that Id created for myself. To IGNORE the possibility that the compliment was sarcastic, and to
focus ONLY on the OBJECTIVE GOAL. What he suggested, was to become a TRUE PUA.
To LET GO of that social-persona that MUDDIES your perception of what is GOING ON during a pickup, is to come as close to
OMNISCIENCE as you get in the endeavour.
It is the only way to GET GOOD, because it is the only state in which you will be FREE to focus critically on what is IMPORTANT
during the pickup.
To STOP BELIEVING that the RESULT of the pickup experiment is a reflection of YOU as a PERSON, and to REALIZE that it is simply
the reflection of the EXPERIMENT. To believe that there is NO CORRELATION between your personal-worth, and your GAME.
It is only THEN, that you can TRULY UNDERSTAND what is going on. ONLY THEN, can you actually SUCCUMB to the GENIUS that
BURIED within you.
When you get to that point, when you dont feel the SLIGHTEST nerves during a pickup. Your brain REVELS in the PROCESS of
EMPLOYING the massive WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE that you have acquired in your study of pickup. Your brain CYCLES the possible
solution to every obstacle that you are faced with NO REGARD to the consequences that it will bear on your ARTIFICIAL PERSONA.
Your brain REVELS in the ELECTRICITY of the PROCESS. If arousal occurs, its because its part of what you know WORKS, and that
the projection of your sexual state is OBJECTIVELY what you KNOW will work to attract. The sex becomes nothing more than the
VALIDATION of your excellence. A FRINGE BENEFIT, that is a PATHETIC SHADOW of the fact that your very act is CONFIRMING the
TRUE CONNECTION that you have with your true CORE-SELF. And later, as you enjoy the sex with this new person, you give into
the ANIMALISTIC LUST that is a NATURAL part of you as well.
THAT is the ADDICTION that is pickup. The SATURATION of your conscious self, into your purest ESSENCE.
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The connection that is established, between yourself and your surroundings. The FEELING that you get, when you can undergo the
process of pickup, and NOT CARE about the outcome of the EXPERIMENT. It REMINDS you of how far youve come in your personal
development and the feeling is LIBERATING, in a similar way to SKYDIVING, or any other LIFE CONFIRMING activity.
The tactics and techniques are only there to help you FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT. They MODEL and FAKE the sorts of things that
the purely CHARISMATIC people would say NATURALLY.
Because it is the ability to WALK AWAY from ANY chick, that is ULTIMATELY ATTRACTIVE.
Tactics such as NEGS are meant to MODEL the individual who is master of their reality, because they CONVEY such characteristics.
NEGS are FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT tactics.
This is why the PUA GUNWITCH becomes infuriated with the over-analysis that we ASFers participate in. He cannot GRASP why
people would focus on something that is NOT natural. He makes the analogy of a vitamin pill not being a supplement for a REAL
fruit, because the NATURAL properties are not carried over into the pill. He strives to get in touch with that NATURAL essence that
we all have, by TAPPING our NATURAL sexual state, and projecting it. He advocates WILLPOWER.
Get IN TOUCH with your natural essence, and those techniques that are necessary for pickup will happen naturally, on their own.
Perhaps Gunwitch and I advocate the SAME. Perhaps we only differ in our UNDERSTANDINGS and APPROACH to the SAME eventual
goal. We advocate different ROUTES to the same DESTINATION. He advocates WILLPOWER. I advocate learning to fake success
with techniques, and getting experience under your belt, until you can NATURALLY do what needs to be done WITHOUT them.
This is the UNDERLYING MESSAGE that TokyoPUA endeavours to SUM UP so succinctly when he tells us to ANCHOUR the idea that
the world is our PICKUP LABORATORY.
CELEBRATE YOUR REALITY. MODEL those people who are EXAMPLES. Look at EDDY. Look at MYSTERY. Look at TWENTYSIX.
When EDDY posts ARGHHHHH, WHY is it FUNNY to him???
When MYSTERY peacocks himself to the point of SHEER OUTRAGEOUSNESS, WHAT is the purpose??? WHAT does such EXTREME
peacocking CONVEY???
When TWENTYSIX puts out a site called www.extramask.com, WHAT is the humour in it for him??? LOOK at the site. What is it
about that site that is FUNNY???
These are the MANIFESTATIONS of people who ASSERT their OWN REALITY.
www.extramask.com is Twentysix CELEBRATION of his OWN REALITY. It is FUNNY, because as you delve deeper into the site, you
journey DEEPER and DEEPER into a reality NOT YOUR OWN. For people whose reality is easily PLUCKED from them, they will be
APPALED by the site. They will condemn it as attention-getting TRASH, and SNEER at it. But for people who are FIRMLY in their OWN
reality, they will REVEL in the JOURNEY that Twentysix pure unmediated INSANITY brings them on. As you read more and more,
and listen, and watch, you become SATURATED in Twentysixs BIZARRE REALITY. It isnt the weird humour that is the draw of the
site. Its the JOURNEY that it takes you on. The confrontation of the sheer ABSURDITY. For those SECURE in their own reality, there
is no FEAR that they wont be able to find their way back to their own place. They can APPRECIATE the site. But for those people
whose minds are so easily TAMPERED with, whose realities are so easily OVERTAKEN, the site is condemned as TRASH.
Twentysix KNOWS that people will react a certain way. Eddy KNOWS that people will wonder WTF hes doing when he says
ARGHHHH non-stop. Mystery KNOWS that people will react in bizarre ways when he peacocks. These are CELEBRATIONS of their
REALITY. Their UTTER DISREGARD of the fucked up reactions, the judgements, and the social consequences, is their CONSTANT
REMINDER of their own ASSERTION that they alone EXIST. They EMBRACE the ABSURDITY of social constraints, and TRANSCEND
them. Because every time that an external agent reacts negatively to their actions, and they are reminded that they DO NOT CARE,
they experience the RUSH of the CONFIRMATION that they TRANSCEND all social constraints. They are thus both FEARED and
ADMIRED - CRITICIZED and APPLAUDED.
RESEARCH and DISCOVER great men like the late PIERRE TRUDEAU and WINSTON CHURCHILL and John F Kennedy. See how they
were universally FEARED and ADMIRED, even by those who hold absolute disdain towards their actual policies and ideas. How did
women react to Pierre Trudeau??? Look at his pictures, and imagine him as SHY and INTROVERTED. Would he still BE Pierre
Trudeau??? Would he still be one of the historically greatest PUAs that ever lived???
MORE IMPORTANTLY, would he FOCUS on pickup techniques, or focus on HIS OWN REALITY, and have women as one of the FRINGE
BENEFITS???
This is what is ULTIMATELY SEDUCTIVE to ALL people, and of particular interest in this forum to WOMEN.
This is WHY ASF has ceased focusing on developing SS-based approaches. Because we strive to ATTRACT women with the
INTENSITY of the JOURNEY that we give her, into OUR reality.
And during that journey, she becomes so ATTRACTED, that she CRAVES to CONNECT with the reality that you project upon her. She
may begin by asking whats your name?, and does EVERYTHING in her power to FIND OUT if she can CONNECT. But we dont give
it away so EASILY. We make her WORK. And it UNRAVELS in front of her, as she is lead to believe that she has EARNED it. And that
which she has so strenuously EARNED, she does NOT FOREGO.
I watch, in amazement, as Mystery enters the room. The crowds attention shifts. People are alarmed.. intrigued.. fascinated..
angered....
They can NOT snub him as he approaches, because they must FIND OUT -----> WHO
IS THIS GUY - ???
-OK, one of the most COMMON experiences that someone who is undertaking the goal of becoming a PUA will face, is the harsh
realization of just HOW FAR you are of your actual GOAL.

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THE PUA TRANSITION PROCESS:

learning to give intense EC to a chick

learning to initiate a chat

learning to initiate a chat without pissing your pants

learning to ask for a #

realizing that those are flakes, and pinpointing why

learning to correct that, through projecting value onto yourself

learning to EXPLOIT the interest that you generate by structuring future interactions

learning to phase shift, and close during the first interaction, or during the
get-together

learning to disarm LMR

You read ASF. You start giving chicks a bunch of eye-contact. You learn to chat girls for 2 seconds. You learn to chat girls for 5-10
minutes. You learn to ask them for their #. You get it. Youre ESTATIC. But then you realize that these #s are FLAKES.
DAMN, that part SUCKS. I fucking HATED that shit. I remember the first girl I got a # from, I got one-itis for SO FUCKING BAD that
my heart pounded through my chest when I called her. I remember sitting in my backyard of my country house, staring over the
open field, thinking how I should just RELAX, and that no matter what happened, Id still be me, and Id still have my whole life
ahead of me, etc etc etc..
She called me back a week later and told me that she had a boyfriend, but would still go out with me.. WTF??? I just KNEW that this
chick had probably chatted ALL WEEK to her friends about how she should get out of this fishy get-together that shed agreed to.
Here I thought that this chick was a potential FUTURE WIFE, and all that she thought of me was like basically what I thought of fat
chicks who had tried to hover around me in the past. HOW could she not FEEL the CONNECTION that we had????
The thing was, that I had CREATED this connection in my own MIND. Despite having found ASF, I still had retained the BELIEF that
there was a girl out there for me, and that I wouldnt need to become a full-blown PUA in order to find her. AFTER ALL, I still was
LIGHT YEARS ahead of most guys, just for having FOUND and attained a rough UNDERSTANDING of ASF concepts. I wouldnt need
to become an ASF fanatic just to find the right chick for me, and I could settle and focus on other things.
So still, I continued getting #s which I convinced myself were SURELY the girls that I could just SETTLE with, and therefore assumed
MAJOR value on them. I tried stuff like taking a shit while phoning, which is proven to naturally relax you. Id do shit like phoning
while I was DRIVING, so Id have to focus on something else while I called.. damn, that shit was a fucking DRAMA FEST..
EVERY TIME that Id get a #, Id tell myself OK, all I need is for this ONE chick to go OK, and I can KEEP her and MARRY her.. then
I never have to go through this again.... My relationship management skills were always very strong in the past, because Id read
The Rules, and The Art of Seduction.. So I knew that if I could just get a decent chick, that I COULD keep her, since my past
relationship had gone very well.
So Id put SO MUCH VALUE on the outcome of a #, which always would turn out to be FLAKE.
DAMN, that shit sucked.. All that I could think of was how here I had this HUGE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION to whatever chick Id
#closed, and HOW could she not feel it too??? How the FUCK could this chick not even care enough about me to ever SEE me
again??? What the fuck was wrong with ME??? I couldnt even get a quality #close from a chick WORSE looking than me!!
Then I came to the REALIZATION. I realized that I am UGLY. NOT good looking. It all made perfect sense. See, in the past, I hadnt
DONE approaches. I could say shit like any time that I wanted a chick, I could get her.. I just dont want those slutty chicks that
are always hooking-up So I could always RATIONALIZE that if I did approaches, OBVIOUSLY theyd go just like in the Hollywood
movies, and Id totally pick the chick up, since Id only try to pick up a chick that was worth my time. But NOW, Id actually DONE
approaches, and they werent WORKING. Chicks who were UGLY didnt want to go out with me, which was clear indication that I
must be even UGLIER than the ugly chicks.
To add insult to injury, I started realizing that my HAIR is falling out. You cant see it now whatsoever, unless you look really
carefully under the right lighting. But YEP, it IS happening. It will be a few more years yet, but I WILL go bald. To THIS DAY, the
FIRST thing that I do every morning when I wake up, is take a mirror up to my head and look in morbid fascination to see if my hair
is falling out. It is a CONSTANT REMINDER that I am growing old, and that I WILL DIE some day. It is BEYOND my control.
So that raised the question: If I cant meet girls NOW, what the FUCK am I going to do in a few years when my hair line is FALLEN
OUT??????????? No, actually wait.. sorry, scratch that.. When my hair has MIGRATED to my BACK.
Its a TOUGH to acknowledge that youre not good-looking. Before youd ever tried PU, you could rationalize it through your past GFs
and shit like that. But now, its so IN YOUR FACE that youre not desirable to women. To be honest, even after all the success I had
in the past year, Im STILL UTTERLY SHOCKED that HB9s are interested I me now. When Im getting with a new chick, Im thinking
WTF is this chick THINKING????? Is she RETARDED?????
But the thing is, to just GO WITH IT. APPRECIATE that youre a GUY, who is judged by his ATTITUDE and ACCOMPLISHMENTS, and
not a chick who can NEVER escape her looks. I want to say ONCE and FOR ALL, that LOOKS DO NOT MATTER ONE FUCKING BIT
when it comes to pickup. I say this more to re-affirm it to myself, than for others. But what Im saying is the REAL SHIT. (were
assuming that grooming/style is a given here, though, bros)
So WHY was this REALLY happening?? Because I was focusing on a NATURAL, LOW RISK way of #closing. My main goal wasnt to
PROJECT VALUE onto myself, so that shed want to see me again.. Instead, it was to ask for the # in a way that wasnt
EMBARRESSING.. My goal was to WORK THE #CLOSE INTO THE CONVERSATION NATURALLY, instead of PROJECTING VALUE ONTO
MYSELF.
THIS is the FLAW with the David DeAngelo PICKUP methods from his CDs. Do NOT get me wrong on this the David DeAngelo CDs
are SO FUCKING AWESOME for alot of things. His stuff on certain non-needy / non-wuss attitudes were turning points not only in
my GAME, but in my SOCIAL SKILLS. But the PROBLEM with the David DeAngelo CD actual pickup methods (Im strictly address the
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dont have the SKILLS to PROJECT VALUE onto yourself, in any given interaction with a chick. So he comes up with ways to
CIRCUMVENT this deficiency, which I suppose are actually effective for newbies.
See, David D is basically trying to put out a product that will get guys LAID. Not necessarily a product to turn them into pickup
ARTISTS, but a product that will yield the result of a SEX LIFE for loser guys. And its definitely an EFFECTIVE product in those
terms. It also could at least get you STARTED on the road to becoming a PUA, since youd get some experience under your belt.
But its DESIGNED for guys who cant CONVEY value to a chick, during the course of a PICKUP. His LOGIC is that MOST chicks will
give away an EMAIL address to most guys so THERFORE, given that most guys cant CALM THEIR NERVES and THINK FAST
ENOUGH to convey value in the FIRST interaction, that they can do it STATEGICALLY, and under LESS PRESSURE, over a few email
interactions. The chick can SLOWLY get to know you over the COMPUTER, and feel more comfortable, since you dont have
METHODS of doing that in the first interaction anyway. Since she cant see you SWEATING, and you have the TIME and CALMNESS
to take the right steps, you are able to win her over before you see her again.
The same basically goes for IM SARGING, which he recommends.
So the thing is, if you want to become not only a guy who can get laid, but also a PICKUP ARTIST, then you need to find
STRATEGIES of CONVEYING VALUE to a chick during the PICKUP. If you want to be a PUA, there is usually NOTHING that you cant
usually do during the INITIAL interaction, that you couldnt do over weeks of emails.
One GREAT way to do this was discussed in my How to sarge, actually for real post where I discuss projecting value right from
the opener, through the ball-busting, rapport, and kiss-close. See, when you project value in your OPENER, you are OFF ON THE
RIGHT PATH. Then, when you BUST HER BALLS with PUSH/PULL (youre my new GF... actually NO you arent.. wait, yes you are..
lets get married.. no wait, we cant), you project the value of being confident/funny/exciting/daring/flirtatious.. So ONLY THEN will
she want to get to know you and start TRYING to get rapport with YOU.
PART 2 of 3
IMPORTANT CONCEPT NOT TO BE IGNORED SO FUCKING IMPORTANT:
Please try to follow me here, and re-read if necessary. The PROBLEM with opening with a QUESTION like where is that shirt from,
or a hi (which basically is another way of saying Id like to chat), is that it is the EQUIVALENT of when you are following the
SEQUENCE that I recommended, and she says whats your name?.. A reminder for those who dont remember in my earlier post
I commented that if you open well, and do C&F for a while, you KNOW that she is at her BOILING POINT (IOW, she is attracted
now) when she says whats your name, or something to that effect, because that is HER WAY of telling you I am attracted now,
so please help me to get to know you so that we can fuck.
So when YOU open with a question about HER, or a hi, that is TELLING HER the SAME THING as when she asks you your name
(which ANY pickup artist who is constantly IN THE FIELD will tell you, is a major sign that she is into you).
Basically, when you open with a question about HER, or a hi, you are GIVING AWAY THE MILK FOR FREE. You are telling her I AM
SOMEBODY WHO LIKES YOU, BEFORE I EVEN CHATTED YOU.
Now on an AI (approach invitation), this is FINE, because you have projected value through your LOOKS or PRESENCE. But on a
COLD APPROACH this is sometimes FATAL.
The REASON that alot of guys recommend this kind of approach, is that they are NOT laying chicks, and base their ADVICE only on
what structured good INTERACTIONS, and not LAYS. Since they really dont know what CONSISTENTLY leads to SEX, they base
their results on what lead to good CONVERSATIONS where the chicks dont put up walls. Because hi, or an interested question
typically WILL structure a good INTERACTION, they report back that it opens WELL.
IN REALITY, although many lays will come from ANY interaction with a chick where you come off confidant, it is still not the BEST
way to consistently lay chicks. There are BETTER ways.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN OPINION OPENER AND A WHERE DID YOU GET THAT OPENER:
An opener like the DAVID BOWIE OPENER or BLONDE HAIR OPENER is very DIFFERENT than what does that shirt mean?, or how
are you.
NO. They are 180 degrees DIFFERENT.

WHY??? They are both QUESTIONS right???

Please FOLLOW ME HERE. The KEY to a PICKUP is **SUCKING THE GIRL INTO YOUR REALITY**.
When you ask a question about DAVID BOWIE, its something that YOU want to know. When you ask about HER, you are
IMMEDIATELY CAPITULATING, and not making her EARN your attention. This can WORK on CERTAIN chicks of course. But it is NOT
a good PICKUP STRATEGY for a pickup ARTIST.
Again, asking her about anything that detracts from YOUR REALITY is BAD.
So STICK to the STRUCTURE of the openers that I discussed in the how to sarge for real post. EXAMINE the STRUCTURE of those
openers, and make up NEW ONES whenever youre bored with the ones suggested.

PRODDING HER TO SHIT TEST YOU - **INDUCING** HER SHIT TESTING MECHANISM:
The BEST and most RELIABLE way to get laid that I personally know of is to INDUCE the chick to shit test you.
This is the NEXT STEP of the PU, after the opener, when PUing girls with certain personality types (basically, most hotties.. the
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HARDEST to PU, because they KNOW the deal and dont succumb to emotions to easily.. for them, the best strategy is to use this
SAME STUFF, but at the same time to be very ATTUNED to her and MODERATE)
OK, this may sound strange, but there is no bigger KISS OF DEATH in the PU than when the chick is being NICE to you.
For example, if you see a chick who you knew in high school, the BEST way to pick her up is to NOT BRING UP that you already
know her. BETTER, is to just PU her like NORMAL. Worse case scenario, YOU are left in the power position, since she remembered
YOU. But if you bring it up, then she instantly OPENS up to you, and is therefore DISENGAGED sexually. This is not necessarily a
RULE, but a sweeping generalization that I have seen in field many times (chick likes me, convo is sexually charged, I bring up that
I know her, convo shifts to how have you been and chemistry falls flat).
I was hanging out with Mysterys ex-girlfriend the other night. This 511 megabomb. She was laughing at how guys will chat her for
a few hours, THINKING that theyre getting somewhere, when really shes just in the mood to CHAT. The problem they havent
ENGAGED her LIMBIC BRAIN, and she isnt SHIT TESTING, to see if they are WORTHY.
For me, the answer is to go PUSH PULL, ASAP.
That means QUALIFYING, TEASING, and JOKING about being together, and broken up, again and again. Learn to be the MASTER of
PUSH-PULL. I am a master of it now, and I FULLY CREDIT the innovative C&F masters SWINGCAT, KOOPER, BADBOY, ZAN, STYLE,
DAVID D, and many others I picked up great lines and attitudes from, for helping me to get where I am with it. Heres an EXAMPLE
of a STRUCTURE, which should of course have OTHER STUFF worked into it (IOW, dont follow this to the letter, but use it as a
skeleton):
Roll up on her, make funny faces, smile and hit her, and wrap your arm around her (kino-opener, described many times in
operation mayhem posts).. you are CUTE.. I think that youll make a NICE new GIRLFRIEND.. hahah, hey WAIT.. I need a girl
who can cook.. you cant?? OK, were broken up.. actually wait, you DO smell good.. very alluring.. actually WAIT!! do you eat
SOAP??? oh man, we are BROKEN UP.. no no, definitely broken up.. you are BAD.. hahaha, for sure!!.. are you adventurous?? cause
I cant even hang with you unless youre adventurous.. mmm,. that does sound adventurous.. alright we can hang, but I cant take
you to my COOL places because you might just be PG-13 adventurous, not R-rated adventurous.. really, you did X-ACTIVITY??
hmm.. OK maybe youre cool.. oh man, imagine if we ran away and did X-ADVENTURE (make up a 1-2 minute Bonnie & Clyde type
adventure) together.. and we could STEAL this X-STUFF (whatever is in front of you) and SELL IT.. No?? OK Im taking THIS then!
(grab HER shit, and shell WRESTLE you for it).. haha, OK fine, I wont do that.. I have a better plan.. I need a RICH girl.. are YOU??
no?? do you have cable though?? SWEET, I can watch daytime SOAPS.. NICE!! OOOOOH MAN, we are getting MARRIED RIGHT
NOW.. Will you MARRY ME??? OMG I am SO SERIOUS, well get married RIGHT NOW.. (then have a person in the room pretend to
MARRY the two of you, and you exchange items together like rings or something, and kiss AT LEAST on the cheek)... OK AWESOME,
now that were married I can DIVORCE you and live in your house and watch DAYTIME TV..
What this does is ENGAGES her sexually, and then DISENGAGES her sexually, over and over and over. Its not like if you say youre
my new girlfriend.. lets make plans to go out.. lets make plans to be together.. lets be together, which would be PULL, PULL,
PULL, PULL. She would RESIST that strategy 9 times out of 10. By doing PUSH PULL, her limbic brain is ENGAGED, but then
DISENGAGED before she has a chance to RESIST. The result will be like a FISH, who you reel in, let fight and let out slack, reel in
more, let fight more, reel in more, etc etc etc etc..
It gets her HOT, but the PUSH disarms her RESISTANCE, before you proceed to PULL again.
KEEP DOING THIS AS LONG AS NECESSARY until she SHIT TESTS you. Look up the dissecting shit test passing measures post, to
INTERNALIZE the STRUCTURE of passing a shit test in DETAIL. The short of it is:
1) AGREE to the shit test
2) CREATIVELY MISINTERPRET the shit test as her saying she WANTS YOU
2a) In some situations, tell her that despite that, she still cannot have you
unless she meets x-qualification
HER: youre a player
YOU: yeah... so what is it about players that turns you on so much
**OR**
1) AGREE to the shit test
2) Use CALLBACK humour to misinterpret your actions in a funny way
HER: do you plan this stuff?
YOU: yeah.. I even plan to go out and meet little POWERPUFF girls (or whatever NEG you used earlier.. CALLBACK the neg you
used earlier)
The POINT of this, is that you KEEP JOKING that you are together apart together apart, until you ENGAGE her LIMBIC BRAIN,
which she will REACT by SHIT TESTING YOU. Since you INTERNALIZE how to PASS the shit tests techniques, and you pass with
PERFECT SCORE, she will become aroused very quickly, and attempt to GET RAPPORT with you. You will know that she is at her
BOILING point when she gives you a SIGN. A SIGN is like when she says whats your name?, or what do you do?, or where do
you come from? She is LEANING IN, and showing strong interest Wide eyes, open body language, facing you, etc etc etc..
So that is my personal favourite way to PROJECT VALUE being COCKY PLAYFUL.
However, this is not the ONLY WAY to project value. A second way would to be learn STRONG SS/Patterning skills, and lead her
imagination to all sorts of wild and arousing places. Eliciting past sexual excitement and pushing her through those states. She
anchours those feelings to YOU. Personally I dont think its overly effective for the younger party girls that I deal with, but it IS a
feasible plan. Apparently a good way with Asian girls (as reported by TPUA, Maniac_High, Formhandle, and other skilled guys)
A third way is to learn magic/mentalism/gimmicks/routines/stories, that INTRIGUE and FASCINATE the chick. Basically, this is using
PERSONALITY CONVEYANCE. You could also just have a great sense of humour, and be good at conveying that in front of chicks.

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A fourth way is to use the above stuff (or ANYTHING) to get SOCIAL PROOF, and impress her with the fact that you are the CENTRE
OF ATTENTION, and that you are UNIMPRESSED with her. You DEMONSTRATE that with NEUTRAL comments that youd make to
ANYONE, and that show your disregard your targets beauty, like NEGS. Or by just ENJOYING yourself at the venue, for everyone
else to see that youre arent trying too hard. That makes you a CHALLENGE, and you therefore present value THAT WAY.
A fifth way is just to have AMAZING RAPPORT. SOME guys can PU using JUST rapport building skills, although I have yet to MEET
any that can do it CONSISTENTLY Im still sure that there is somewhere out there (Juggler???). Point is though, that just being both
an obviously SEXUAL MAN, and being able to get the girl to VALUE the rapport/friendship, can be enough to get chicks to sleep with
you, if you do it in a way where she KNOWS that sex is part of the package to continuing her involvement with you. This can be
done MRSEX4UNYC method, by getting under her hood, and finding out how her engine works, etc etc..
A sixth way is to convey ULTIMATE SEXUALITY, through Gunwitch style SEXUAL STATE PROJECTION. Read and INTERNALIZE the
GUNWITCH METHOD, and you can sometimes just roll up on chicks with NEUTRAL TALK, and through just seeming so damned
SEXUAL, she will find you indescribably appealing.. She wont know WHY, but for some reason you just really turn her on. She
feels this unexplainable explosive chemistry.
A seventh way is to PEACOCK, which conveys that you are MYSTERIOUS, and OUTRAGEOUS. You are DIFFERENT. Peacocking is the
ULTIMATLY FAST way to attract women of the HIGHEST CALIBRE, because you are INSTANTLY the guy that shes been waiting for.
You just need the ATTITUDE to back it up. YOU have to wear the CLOTHES. The CLOTHES cant wear YOU. On some days when I
peacock, I have the 9.5 chicks FLOCKING me wherever I go, because they are SICK of GENERIC guys, and think that you might be
JUST THE GUY shes waited for. To peacock, you cant just dress REALLY COOL. You have to dress OUT-FUCKING-RAGEOUS. You
have to have shit people have never even SEEN in their ENTIRE LIVES. The stuff you are wearing has to look RIDICULOUSLY
OUTRAGEOUS, but your attitude MAKES it cool. If youre peacocked properly, there should be people pulling you over for PHOTOS,
and the FIRST thing that everyone should say to you is that is SOOO cool.. You know how strippers hear the SAME THING from
EVERYONE??? What do your parents think etc etc.. You know how a writer always hears x was so amazing etc etc??? This is
because they give a MIND BENDING IMPRESSION, so peoples STATES are instantly ALTERED in their presence. If you met your
HERO right now, could you act NORMAL around him/her?? Probably not. Youd say something generic, like I loved your last work,
because you couldnt think of anything better to say, out of mental paralysis. That is the effect that PEACOCKING is intended to
have. It ELICITS EMOTIONAL STATES from your targets, INSTANTLY. Look at celebs. Their clothes are like CARTOON CHARACTERS.
You cant even FIND these clothes. They are CUSTOM. They are FANTASY FIGURES, and when they are in public, the entire room
SHIFTS attention to THEM. Turn YOURSELF into one of these figures, through peacocking, and you present VALUE to the chick. My
FAVOURITE part about peacocking is that chicks will come up to you and say that outfit is soooo awesome, to which you can
respond with hmm.. thanks... sooo, you ready to get out of here? (credit Craig) and get her LAUGHING.. then you say your
clothes are kind generic.. how do I know that I can hang with you?? what do you have going for you?? are you adventurous?? and
start SWINGCAT-style qualifying, and run the push-pull routine that I posted above..
An EIGHTH way is to be DIRECT. I DISAGREE with this method and do NOT use it 99% of the time. I dont use it myself that much,
but it DOES work sometimes. HOWEVER, for OLDER WOMEN being direct is VERY value-conveying, because it shows that you are
ALPHA and go for what you WANT. They are finally mature enough to appreciate you being GENUINE. Again, I DISLIKE this method,
but it WORKS on CERTAIN chicks. I just wanted to tell you, that you have an incredible energy, is the kind of crap that is useful
here. You look like someone Id like to meet (credit TokyoPUA), is a good one for being direct. I DO use DIRECT approaches in
cases of STRONG APPROACH INVITATION, and the TPUA line is a good one for that situation. Typically, older chicks (like late 20s
and up) will APPRECIATE a man who isnt playing games and is GENUINE in his intentions. Since he is being DIRECT, it is IMPLICIT
that he has had past success, and it social proofs him implicitly. Thus conveying value. STILL, this puts her in the DRIVERS seat in
some ways, so you have to FRAME IT PROPERLY. Do it in a way that STILL shows that you are NOT going to tolerate ANY bullshit,
and although you find her SEXUAL, she still needs to convey value HERSELF.
ALL OF THESE THINGS PROJECT VALUE. Personally, I think a sarge is going BEST when Im getting SHIT TESTED. BUT, its not
NECESSARY all the time. You may have had APPROACH INVITATION without even NOTICING IT, and consequently she wont shit
test.
Anyway, the POINT here is that rather than focusing on just getting a smooth # close, focus on PROJECTING VALUE onto yourself.
The best way that I know is to PROD HER TO SHIT TEST YOU using INSTANT comments about the two of you being together and
breaking up, because when she starts shit testing you in response to this, and you pass shit tests, you really project a LOT of sexual
value in a short period of time.
And then she tries to GET RAPPORT with you.

She thinks WHO-IS-THIS-GUY????

The KEY is to ATTRACT her to WANT to get rapport with you. NOT this bullshit like TRYING to get rapport RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.
This is BULLSHIT, and anyone who says that they lay HOT chicks like this consistently is either an anomaly (like has something
unusual going for them), goodlooking, or exaggerating. The closest thing to an exception would be Gunwitch method, but even guys
using Gunwitch method are STILL doing something to project value FIRST, through their sexual state projection.
Dont GIVE IT AWAY too fast. Read my posts on changing gears as a MUST READ for this, because it took me a while to figure it
out. Dont switch into rapport the second she tries to get it. But show SIGNS that you are switching gears, and let her EARN your
eventual gear switch.
RAPPORT BUILDING:
OK, rapport building is the weakest link in my PU skills, and its going to be my main focus of improvement in the coming months.
My model of the world is typically different than most chicks, so it can be hard sometimes to decide WHAT to reveal and what to
keep to myself until later.
BEFORE the lay, chicks are looking for reasons NOT to lay you. AFTER the lay, chicks are looking for ways to JUSTIFY having slept
with you. Women tend to BACKWARDS JUSTIFY.
SO keep alot of yourself INSIDE, until AFTER the lay, since by then shell find alot of your idiosyncrasies CUTE and AMUSING. If
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STILL, you have to be REAL with the chick, because this is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the PU in certain ways. With PARTY
CHICKS, its LESS important, and sometimes UNNECESSARY altogether. I know some chicks whove said dont tell me your name,
itll ruin it during sex. So be OBSERVANT.
The KEY to rapport building is to be REAL. You have to ACTUALLY CARE about what the chick is saying, and you have to be REAL
with her. BE YOURSELF in certain ways. Be APPROPRIATE of course, but be yourself at least on some levels. CREATE A
CONNECTION to the chick.
REMEMBER, she will be FAR more AGREEABLE to WHATEVER you tell her, when youve done the foundational ATTRACTION work,
PRIOR to ALLOWING her to get rapport with you. So its OK to say whats on your mind, to a certain extent. STILL, you may want to
switch back and forth from stuff that conveys value, to stuff that FITS HER MODEL OF THE WORLD.
That means that although you want to disclose things that are FLATTERING to yourself, the MORE IMPORTANT thing is to disclose
COMMON EXPERIENCES like CHILDHOOD intrigue, and what you went through in life. CHERRY PICK for COMMON types of
EMOTIONAL experiences, and EXPLORE THEM TOGETHER.
But first, lets say AGAIN, that using CERTAIN types of approaches this is UNNECESSARY. Using PURE Gunwitch sexual-state
projection, this can BREAK her sexual state. SAME if youre going for ONS with a party-chick, and the rapport will KILL her lust for
you.
So be OBSERVANT. READ THE SIGNS. If she isnt attempting to get rapport with you, she may INSTEAD suggest an isolation herself
(without your prompting it).
I had a chick DRAG me to the bathroom, so that we could be alone, and so that she could ATTEMPT to get me to fuck her in the
bathroom. Had I gotten rapport with this chick, she would have lost interest in that I bet. Too bad Im not into washroom sex, but
thats another issue.
Again, READ HER SIGNALS. She will GIVE you WHAT YOU NEED to fuck her, if you are OBSERVANT. If she needs rapport, or more
partying, or more romance, there are WAYS to key into it.
Examples:

whats your name? = rapport

lets go over here (isolates herself for you) = cockiness/partyguy/alpha/sex
neutral talk with sexual bodylanguage, sexual tonality, etc = stay neutral, focus on BODYLANGUAGE / Gunwitch style
HB9.5+ chick touching you = a TEST where you have to say hands off the merchandise, since she is RE-VALIDATING herself..
this is for ELITE hot chicks

These are just a FEW signals. Start keying into the signals chicks give you, and learn to ADAPT.
MIDGAME / GET TOGETHER STUFF:
When you get together with chicks, you can stuck in a fucking AFC TRAP.
One of the big probs with get togethers, even after TIGHT pickups, is getting out of the AFC FRAME. This is a SERIOUS problem,
that I STILL having a sticking point with. I know HOW to get out of it, but I cant actually do it 100% of the time.
One of the problems with this medium (internet), is that we can convey LINES, and STRATEGIES, but we cant really convey
ACTIONS and DELIVERY in the same level of detail.
No matter HOW detailed my post is, its just DAMNED hard to convey this kind of thing. But what can I do?? Lets give it a SHOT :)
The chick may be perceiving you as ALPHA and immediate-fuck worthy during the PU, but once shes had time to re-affirm her
worth and fortitude between the PU and the get-together, shes placed you back into a BETA/AFC frame.
Or maybe its not even that, but that you didnt blend attraction generating strategies with rapport building strategies. Or maybe
shes a party-chick, who only likes to bang guys she just met either way. Theres TONS of reasons that shes slotted you AFC by the
meet, but it doesnt MATTER, so long as you dig yourself OUT of that categorization.
You may have even gotten a tongue-down at the meet, but when you get there for the meet-up, shes acting like she got back from
charm-school.
A few months ago, I had a chick tell me that its ON next time we meet (since the grocery store was closed and we couldnt get
condoms late at night in Kingston). I call her to pick her up a few days later, and she wants to meet at the coffee shop instead of
her house. We meet, and I try to move us to another venue (since Im gonna make up an excuse to isolate), and she REFUSES.
Similarly, I had a chick who was implying go home together at the club. Since I usually dont like ONS from clubs, I declined, but
said meet up for tomorrow. Next day she was all LOVING ME, but HOLDING OUT since she was playing The Rules style shit on
me.
This shit happens ALL THE TIME, when youre using solid ASF tactics to FORCE meetups. For me, instead of asking for a #, Ill set a
MEET time and date right there. This is FAR less likely to get flakes than a # where I live, since its a smaller place and the chick
KNOWS that Ill see her again and be pissed off, if she stands me up. Not to mention that I give her the I dont tolerate flaky people
who are into a plan one minute, but arent cool and motivated enough to stick to it.. are you one of those people??? whole speil. So
naturally, I dont get many flakes but I DO get this cold phenomenon on certain occasions.
Overnight, it has turned from a fuck thing, to a AFC old fashioned date, where shes not being playful or touchy/feely, youre
both kinda uncomfortable 1950s style, and the natural chemistry is AWOL.
So what is the ANSWER???
Women are ADAPTABLE, and FLUID. They ADAPT to the frame that YOU set.

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-PERSONAL SIDE NOTE ON MIDGAME, AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FOR THE
JUGGULAR AND LAY HER RIGHT AWAY:
This is the DILEMMA. This is the part I HATE.
You may WANT a chick that will HOLD OUT for the first few dates, in order to JUSTIFY TO YOURSELF that the chick is QUALITY.
The problem with this rationality the chick is ONLY holding out because of the FRAME that youre putting her in.
The UNFORTUNATE reality for guys looking for a quality woman, is that a womans quality is NOT contingent on her sexual
promiscuity (yep, sorry bros.. we have to base it on other stuff). The very large majority of EMOTIONALLY HEALTHY women will
fuck for the right guy, within a couple hours of meeting him, should the opportunity for ISOLATION be structured (not always
possible).
Why do you think that chicks REFUSE to sleep in the same bed as a guy who theyre not sure of yet. Or even be alone with him???
This is the shit that Gunwitch keyed me into. Get isolation as SOON as possible, and since chicks are EMOTIONAL-STATE-BASED,
they will be EASILY seduced when in isolation because of the lack of social consequences. Chicks KNOW that they want sex very
bad, and they KNOW that if they dont have social consequences to help them keep their fortitude, theyll break down and do what
they really want.
So better just to get the GAMES out of the way, and try to nail her ASAP. If you dont want to, then at least get her back to your
place, and in your bed, so that she KNOWS that you are an alpha male, and that you just DECIDED that you didnt want to yet, on
YOUR TERMS.
That way, shell at least register you as an exciting alpha male type, and not be TEMPTED in the future by those kind of guys, since
in her head she believes she already has one. This is a HUGE prob with chicks. They will cheat with WAY less guilt than guys,
because they RATIONALIZE that the beta-guy that shes with is LUCKY that she stays around, and that hes really really nice. For
me, my word is BOND, and I wont cheat if I agreed to LTR. But as a guy I am LOGICAL. Its often actually EASIER to lay a chick
with a BF, because you only have to convey that you are better than ONE GUY, as opposed to being AS GOOD as her concept of an
fantasy IDEAL GUY.
Point being dont fool yourself. Chicks are STATE BASED, and will most often FUCK when the right emotions/states/hormones go
through her. Dont waste your time trying to structure a traditional relationship, because youll often get fucked over. Devise a set
of FAST SCREENS, to test whether or not a chick is fuck-worthy within MINUTES of meeting her, so that you can just go for the lay
ASAP. Its often your INITIAL INTUITIONS about a chick (when using good screens for what you want) that are MOST RELIABLE
anyway. It took me a YEAR AND A HALF to figure out that my old AFC-LTR was a headcase, but using what I know now in terms of
screens, I could have screened her within 2 minutes (using basic LSE tests and a cocky pickup style that LSE chicks cant stomach).
PART 3 of 3
So back to the topic of MID GAME, and SETTING THE FRAME. Women are adaptable and fluid. What does this MEAN???
Well when you roll up on the chick for the meet, and you detect that shes gone cold, you have to adapt by ASSERTING the frame
that you want, for the duration of the interaction.
If shes being difficult, do NOT try to LOGICALLY explain to her what youre doing. I remember when I first started ASF, I started
EXPLAINING to a chick that I was meeting up with how all chicks would give it up for the right guy, and that she needed to get with
the program, and shit like that. Or explaining why youre better than her boyfriend, or that this get-together really is a hookup and
not just coffee like shes trying to say it is, or explaining WHY this was going to be a hookup and not a date, or explaining why
you dont spend $$$ on the first date (that last one is the most COMMON mistake of new PUAs verbally explaining why you wont
spend $$$... hahah Ive done that, and its LAME ASS.. it will NEVER WORK).
NEVER explain to the uncooperative chick what it is that you are doing. Just DO it. Make it just happen, despite the no-sex
intentions that she had going in.
Some basic strategies, on how to RE-ASSERT the hook-up/non-date frame:
WHEN YOU SEE HER, INITIATE PLAYFUL KINO IMMEDIATELY:

run up and spin-hug her (credit no9)

roll up, take her right hand with your right hand, her left hand with your left hand (so your hands are x-crossed), and TWIRL
her around

roll up, and shake hands, but pull your hand UP and TWIST your wrist, so she has to spin (credit Craig)

sneak up, and tap her wrong shoulder so she looks around for you.. then sort of bump her when s she sees you

steal something from her and make her wrestle you for it

flick something at her so she attacks you

mercy fight
TRY TO TAKE HER TO AN EXCITING PLACE, THAT IS COST FREE.. NOT EVEN ONE CENT:

find a strip with sexy/outrageous clothes, and try them on and tease eachother and play-wrestle

meet her at a park, where you can play frisbee or rollerblade or iceskate, and you can tackle her

teach her one basic-simplistic mentalism illusion, go around FOOLING people with it

have a funny adventure together.. go around asking where you can find a cheap hotel as a joke (credit Dreamweaver I never
actually tried this yet, but think it would be good for chicks with a CERTAIN type of outgoing personality)
REMEMBER THAT TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS IS NOT RAPPORT:

remember this ANALOGY if a chick is banging herself on the head with a HAMMER, and she is BLEEDING, and she says my
head hurts, you can respond with either A) stop hitting yourself on the head with a hammer, and it will stop bleeding, or B)

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that sounds hard.. Im sure that youll find a way to make it stop hurting though.... ANYWAY, check THIS out.. - ALWAYS
CHOOSE ANSWER B.
rapport is meant to establish a COMMON MODEL OF THE WORLD, NOT to establish you as her EMOTIONAL TAMPON.
NEVER try to get rapport with HER.. Keep ATTRACTING her, until SHE tries to get rapport. NEVER ask her questions about
herself, until SHE intiates that conversation. Again, this is for HOT HSE chicks, NOT for LSE chicks, who you should just focus
on telling them that they are trash, and that you wont judge them for it, so they should stick with YOU conforming to their
self-loathing beliefs, etc etc..
if she complains, BRIEFLY show some very light empathy, and CHANGE the subject BACK to attraction generating stuff (tickling,
teasing, ANYTHING other than that crap).. AGAIN, NOT for LSE chicks or dumbass UGs, who you should just listen, tell them
that theyre trash, and should stick with you.. thats ALL it takes for these LSE chicks..

NEVER LET THE DATE GO LJBF-FEEL. IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE CHARGED IN SOME WAY.
MINIMIZE QUIET-TIME:

try to avoid long drives before youve had sex, unless youre good at macking while driving
try to have her meet you somewhere, where you can start gaming her IMMEDIATELY
if youre just meeting her at a club, and she agrees to go home with you, dont let her get away from you or disengage her
emotional states.. She will go back to her friends, be dissuaded, and flake.

if you pick her up at her house, attempt the NEWSPAPER INK CLOSE, explained later in this post.

the SECOND you see the interaction going QUIET or STALLING, tickle her, steal something, do ANYTHING to keep it charged at
ALL COSTS. Stick your tongue out at her, -whatever-.. do SOMETHING

a GREAT strategy for when you STALL, is to use the awkward pause as a time to PHASE SHIFT. Just look DEEP into her eyes.
Shell say what... whaaaaaat.., and you just look at her al confident and knowingly, then either project sexual state Gunwitch
style, or run a phase shift ROUTINE.

as an absolute LAST RESORT, have some gimmicks prepared. AVOID THIS, but if its massively stalling, it can provide FODDER
to neg her and tease her with, when she discloses certain things about herself throughout the course of the exercise.
-**do things that CONFUSE her, such as saying she cant have you, and kissing her. Saying shes a DORK or DWEEB, and
tickling her.
USE FRACTIONATION TECHNIQUES:

when you drop a mega-bomb pattern on her, step back and let the experience SOAK IN.. dont push her over the edge and
make yourself come across UNGENUINE -constantly go BACK and FORTH be a STATE MANIPULATION MASTER.. a fucking
PUPPET MASTER.. push her through states like a fucking PRO.. OBSERVE when shes at a boiling point, and do SOMETHING
ELSE.. go back and forth, back and forth.. keep her on her toes.. dont be predictable and run a 2 hour patterning session, or 2
hours of C&F.. dont let yourself into a RUT of fluff talk.. go back and forth, left and right, up and down.. have STRATEGIES on
how to do that..
MAKE IT IMPLICIT THAT SHE LOSES IF SHE PLAYS GAMES - YOU DO NOT NEED HER. NOT
STATED DIRECTLY, BUT MADE OBVIOUS:

if shes a party-girl type, then check out other chicks in front of her, without making any excuses for it. When she shit-tests
you, DENY it in a FUNNY way, that is basically a shit-testing passing measure. It has to be FUNNY, and you dont take her
accusations SERIOUSLY.
do funny things, like chatting up OTHER chicks making them LAUGH.. when you meet other chicks, do like 1000 little funny
kisses on their hands.. mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa on some new chicks hand, so shell GIGGLE around you, and SOCIAL
PROOF you for the chick youre with (for HSE chicks only).. Show her you are DESIRABLE, and have the ability to WALK.
Check HER out LIBERALLY, at points when its GOING WELL. So dont do it when shes still being uncooperative, but do it when
shes starting to want you. Even check her out, and joke that she cant have you.
make it your TOP PRIORITY to enlist the help of PIVOTS, who can help you with particularly stubborn chicks.. Basically, what
you want to do, is to do what the chicks who YOU wanted back your AFC days did to YOU, but in REVERSE. Have chicks that are
ORBITERS, and who will do ANYTHING to keep your friendship. Talk to them like youre a FAG, but at the same time make
them feel SAFE around you. Have female FRIENDS, who LOVE you and would do ANYTHING for you. When a chick is stubborn,
have them roll up on you while youre out, and hug you and look all jealous at the chick that youre with. If you dont
CURRENTLY have a pivot, then LJBF the next chick that you go out with, and start CULTIVATING a LEGIT friendship with her.
You can also use her for CLUBS, so that when you PU chicks from clubs, they SAW direct EVIDENCE that she isnt the only
chicks that you are in contact with.
if absolutely necessary use stuff, like CPowles shit about all my relationships start passionately to REFRAME the traditionaldating mentality. Make it clear that you want things NATURAL, and that you dont appreciate society dictating your actions,
and that you go in with NO AGENDA, and just let whatever happens happen.. does SHE have an agenda??? :) Follow this with
tickling and such, to keep her IN STATE. Still, this is to be avoided, since it is PREFERABLE just to seem MYSTERIOUS and that
you dont JUSTIFY yourself. Its actually better to just have a knowing look, and NOT REACT to her bullshit. Still, this doesnt
always work, so fall back on these strategies.

SET THE YOU ARE IN CONTROL FRAME, BY TAKING AWKWARD PAUSES, AND STARING AT
HER DEEPLY, ETC:

dont ask her for her permission on ANYTHING.. if you are ALPHA shell appreciate it.. if youre BETA, shell TEST you on it, and
you have to NOT
REACT

at certain points, just sit there and LOOK at her.. let the ENDORPHINS run through both of you

strike while the iron is HOT.. NEVER pass up on a HOT MOMENT, or the chicks limbic brain will be DISENGAGED

take her places without telling her where youre going.. good, because when you bring her somewhere isolated, the PRECEDENT
that you dont say anything will have been set.

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Again, ALWAYS phase shift when the time is right.. NEVER be afraid to phase shift.. REMEMBER that is in IN FACT,
-INAPPROPRIATE- and TACKY- not to phase shift when the time is right. GO IN FOR THE KILL WHEN SHE IS PRIMED OR RISK
LOSING ALL YOUR PROGRESS.

HAVE FUN WHILE USING THESE SORTS OF TACTICS:

REMEMBER, that if using these tactics is not FUN for you, that you will come off as LAMEASS and INCONGRUENT.

this stuff is meant to be FUN to use, because chicks react positively to it.. if its not fun, then make it a PRIORITY to find a style
that IS.

dont be a TRY-HARD, or chicks will DETECT it, and assume that you have an AGENDA, and that you are not GENUINE, which
is a massive TURN OFF for them.
SO REMEMBER: Keep the interaction TIGHT and CHARGED. Either focusing on attracting until phase shift, or attracting until she
wants RAPPORT, giving that to her, and then phase shifting. Your goal is to get her to her BOILING POINT. Stick a fork in me, Im
done.
Using this kind of MENTALITY that Im NOT being screened by her, but rather just doing my own thing, I can almost ALWAYS get
with a chick Im interacting with. The problem for ME, and my SP, is actually picking the chick up in the first place, so I can get a
CLEAN SHOT at her. But so long as I have a CLEAR SHOT, I can use this kind of stuff to close no probs.. Thats why I was able to PU
the Cosmo Model on the airplane. Because I had her ONE on ONE, on the plane. In a club, I doubt I could have gotten ANYWHERE,
given my current skillsets. I can even get with my profs, my teaching assistants, and any chick that gets left alone with me for
whatever reason. Because I EXPLOIT having a CLEAR SHOT, since being ALONE together FORCES her to live in ONE of our frames.
Since my frame is DOMINANT, she will be sucked in MINE.
The KEY, is to keep it in YOUR FRAME. Do NOT succumb to the DATING FRAME, or you will 99% NOT close the chick that night (or
even that month). You should SENSE the dating frame when its occurring, by her Im not sure yet composure, and sort of
evaluating / NOT swept off her feet thing, often evident by lack of kino and her not leaning into you.
You should always be doing SOMETHING to bring yourself closer to your goal. Teasing, touching, subtly demonstrating your
excellence, connecting deeply in rapport, projecting a sexual state, leading, playing hard to get, confusing, playfighting, conspiring
together, stimulating, pausing awkwardly to show your absolute comfort in your own reality, having fun, etc etc etc.. SOMETHING
that is moving you to the goal. Eventually, when youre GOOD, youll do these things NATURALLY, without much thought. Im PART
WAY there, so I still have to do them CONSCIOUSLY oftentimes. But a lot of them I just do NATURALLY now.
Now if you are a HARDCORE SKILLED PUA, you could even take them out for dinner and PAY FOR IT, and STILL get laid.. Just so
long as you keep YOUR frame the whole time. This makes it MUCH more difficult, but so long as you keep YOUR frame (as described
above), the chick will ADAPT to whats put out, and still do what you want.
DICTATE the frame, and the chick will ADAPT to it.
You RESULTS will be dictated by what you PUT OUT THERE. Suck the chick into YOUR reality, and she will be more inclined to adapt
to YOUR frame. Remember that chicks ADAPT, and that you are FUCKING UP if things arent moving forward in one way or another.
At the same time, having fun IS moving things forward, so dont be PARANOID that youre not. Having fun isnt something that you
FAKE. Its something that you DO.
Put out the RIGHT frame, and shell be into DIRTY SEX, and THREESOMES, and SEXUAL CONNECTIONS, and all sorts of EROTIC
type shit.. Put out the WRONG frame, and shell be into SCREENING you and DATING and NINETEEN-FIFTIES type shit. She will
ADAPT to what you put out, so put out the RIGHT vibe. She will APPRECIATE it.

MY CLOSING STUFF:
ENDGAME BODYLANGUAGE:
My closing efficiency is probably up there with any PUA out there, for an
ACCIDENTAL reason. Its because I actually did EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS of PURE phase shifting when I first got into PU. My first PU
book was this thing called Secrets for success with beautiful women by Ursula Lidstrom, who said to focus ONLY on bodylanguage
and sexual state projection. This was my ONLY pickup resource at the time, so ALL that I practiced was PHASE SHIFTING during
that time period. She had DETAILS on this, because she is a ZOOLOGIST, who had alot of info on this stuff. The bodylanguage stuff
was fantastic, and the EIGHT PURE MONTHS of practicing bodylanguage has helped me tremendously, although the TECHNIQUES
that she suggested got me NOTHING. ALL I did was go up to chicks and practice phase shifting, right from the start. This strategy
could have worked, except that Ursula Lidstrom advocated COMPLIMENTING the shit out of chicks, which made me seem very
supplicatant. Still, I had some chicks interested occasionally, but I was too scared to close them at that time, so Id eject. Funny
enough, these same chicks SOCIAL PROOF me now when Im PUing other chicks, since they remember me from like a year ago,
and come hug me when Im with the new chicks Im PUing.
Point is, PRACTISE BODYLANGUAGE. This ACCIDENT (me using just that one book for eight months) has helped me
TREMENDOUSLY, now that I have access to better techniques.
Practice the SEQUENCE of TRIANGULAR GAZING, and open body language. Sidelong glances, lip licking, head tilting, smiling, soft
tonality A-L-L have to be put into CALIBRATED SEQUENCE. PRACTISE a look that will make chicks fucking MELT when youre passing
by. I once made a chick FALL OVER ON HER FACE while she was with her BOYFRIEND, in a department store in Ottawa.. I tried to
PU her right there in front of her BF, and he was PISSED. He KNEW what was up.
When Im at university, its VERY common that chicks I approach will say you FINALLY came over!!!
Im like WTF??? And its because I practice it on EVERY chick that passes me, and many of them know who I am, since they dont
realize that I do this ALL DAY. Just try not to bump into poles and shit like that, while youre staring down every chick that passes
(funny, but Im not joking).
By having this kind of AURA, you can close chicks FAR more easily. Twentysix, for example, is probably a BETTER PUA than I am
when it comes to ACTUAL PICKUP. But he cant come close to my close-rates, SOLELY because of the ENDGAME stuff that I

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developed over those barren eight months. By getting your endgame stuff this tight, you can close chicks even with poor technique
oftentimes. Ive had a few chicks tell me that Im so sexual and all this shit.. the most sexual man Ive ever met etc etc...
HAHAHAH they dont know that deep down inside Im a fucking NERD.. like the LEAST sexual guy on the PLANET just a year ago..
Its FAKE, and REHEARSED.. So, IOW, if **I** can do it, ANYONE can.
You can LEARN bodylanguage and sexual state projection, by seeking out books that cater EXCLUSIVELY to that, and PRACTISING
this stuff. ANYONE can learn it.
As Ive been saying for months now, GUNWITCH METHOD is by far the BEST internet stuff written, BAR NONE, in the scene for
PHASE SHIFTING. ANYONE who ignores GWM text is ignoring a GREAT read. Gunwitch sums up the sexual state in like 16 pages or
something, and its tight stuff. I still liked some of the other stuff I read in hardcopy a bit better, but that shit was all professional
and all that. But Gunwitchs stuff is the cheapest (free), fastest, and best starting point, IMHO. Definitely a great place to start, and
I really like how he advocates NEUTRAL TALK when phase shifting.
REMEMBER, this is SO IMPORTANT. When you are PHASE SHIFTING, you have to heed Gunwitchs advice, and maintain NEUTRAL
CONVERSATION. Keep it NEUTRAL, so that you both can focus on BODY LANGUAGE, and moving your heads closer to eachother and
all that.
Do NOT try to run a fucking ROUTINE or PATTERN when youre about to kiss the chick, or shell be too INTRIGUED to focus on the
sexual state that you are projecting. The only exception is the EVOLUTION PHASE SHIFT KISS CLOSE, which isnt bad since it talks
about the feelings that she is going through RIGHT THERE.
GAME is meant to get you from POINT A (disinterest, or neutral opinion of you), to POINT B (attraction to you). Do NOT continue to
GAME a chick who is ALREADY attracted to you at that moment. Just focus on PHASE SHIFTING, and getting the tongue-down.
So LEARN a tight phase shift, and endgame becomes much EASIER. Poor pickups will still CONVERT to lays.
ENDGAME TECHNIQUES AND SCAMS SOME OF MY FAVOURITE SHIT TO USE:
You may find that this shit is fucking funny as hell, but it WORKS. I have PILES of tricks that I use, but Ill post my two
FAVOURITES.
1)

NEWSPAPER INK CLOSE

If you dont f_close on the PU, the CHEAPEST date that I know of is to put NEWSPAPER INK on your hand!!! SWEEEEEEET!!
COST FREE SHIT BROS!! :)
People may recall that a while back I was asking for ideas on cost-free dates.. And it was really bugging me going out with new
chicks everyday, and having to do shit with these chicks that was TIME CONSUMING.
So INSTEAD, I figured that I had to make it so I could f_close when I picked her up at her house.. But HOW???
Well I figured that I needed a way to get INTO HER HOUSE, so that shed be isolated right from the start. Using the phase shift
stuff I described above, I can pretty much close the deal on ANY chick that I have ALONE. PROBLEM IS though, that its VERY
hard to get them to agree to be alone, most of the time, when youre dealing with these early 20s chicks.
So the SOLUTION is to roll up a NEWSPAPER in your fist as you drive over, and let some INK get all onto your hand.
When you get to the chicks house, tell her that you got ink on your hands from reading the paper, and that you need to use
the sink.
See, I used to say I needed to take a piss, but that wasnt as good as this, because shed give me PRIVACY. Also, its kinda
weird to piss in a new chicks house.
But LIKE THIS, since you have ADVANTAGES:
1-if she says no, you can start teasing her by putting the ink onto her
face.. this is PLAYFUL no matter what, so regardless its a GOOD RESULT
2-if she says yes, you can chat her as she comes to the sink with you, and then you SPLASH the water on her FACE.. this
starts a PLAYFIGHT..
hahahhahaa, and we ALL KNOW what happens when you playfight with a chick who is INTERESTED.. this is FUNNY SHIT.. you
can bring her to the couch/table/bedroom/floor RIGHT THEN AND THERE, NO DATE NECESSARY..
Now the other thing with this whole get into her house idea, is that you want to get her FAMILIARIZED with you being in her
house (I recall a guy on the DYD CDs who explained this same idea even more clearly). So no matter WHAT, find an EXCUSE to
get in there, even if you still leave for your date. Its a GREAT idea to go in, wash your hands, and LEAVE, **IF** you dont feel
that you can close it. It shows restraint, and trustworthiness. Shell be USED to the idea of you being in her house, and will
resist it much less down the line.
But, if youre a PUA going on a lot of dates, then try to focus on just closing it no date (unless you have alot of free time). Just
try it a few times, and play around with it.

2)

THE RELAXATION EXERCISE CLOSE

A SMOOTH way to phase shift on a chick, is to STRUCTURE something that will cause the two of you to be TOUCHING
eachother for an extended period of time, in a way that she wont mind or resist.
A great way to do that is to watch a movie together, and spoon on the couch. Often, she didnt really intend to sleep with you,
but the 2 hours of spooning and caressing will cause her to turn over at the end of the movie, start kissing, touching, clothes
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But BETTER YET, for chicks who wont rent a movie with you, just focus on getting them reasonably isolated, and trying this
out.
Wait until the chick does ANYTHING that allows you to bring up that shes a little wound up / ansi / etc..
Then, tell the chick that youre gonna help her to relax, but still stand kinda FAR away from her, so she wont think that
youre gonna suggest massage or something, in case she resists on that account.
1-Tell her to sit on the floor, while youre STILL STANDING, looking kinda disinterested not totally facing her, so shes
disarmed.
2-Now, shes already SITTING DOWN maybe cross-legged. Then YOU sit down on the floor, against the wall, and without
looking guilty or anything (like its totally NORMAL), tell her to put her back up against yours, so that shes sitting in between
the V, in between your legs. So basically, youre leaning back on the wall, with your legs spread so she can lean her back
against your stomach. Youre spooning while sitting up.
3-Tell her that shes going to visualize some kind of bullshit. Hold hands with her, and interlock your fingers. Again, this is
part of the RELAXATION EXERCISE, and it has to be made to seem TOTALLY NORMAL, so that she will seem WEIRD and
UPTIGHT and ANALLY RETENTIVE if she doesnt go along with it. NOTE:
the POWERFUL part of this, is that youre both ALREADY sitting down on the floor, so if she DECLINES, them you both have to
STAND UP, and BRUSH OFF, all for NOTHING.. SOLELY because shes uptight, and doesnt trust you.. so basically shes put in a
position where she has to diss you REALLY BAD, if she doesnt go along with it, because of the way that you STRUCTURED it, by
getting her to sit down, and you sitting down, PRIOR to you telling her exactly what it is that youre doing 4-Memorize some
lame-ass RELAXATION EXERCISE. The Rose Pattern, found in the PlayerGuide can suffice for this. I used to use it, but use a
synesthetic hypnotic demo now, which is basically the SAME SHIT as that anyway. Run the exercise, and ANCHOUR certain
feelings to her by squeezing her hand at certain points, if you feel her breathing increase. Im not really good at anchours and I
dunno if theyre real or not, but I just try anyway, since I figure its a decent time to touch her or whatever.
5-Now, while you run this demo that should take like 4-5 minutes or so, start talking INTO HER EAR closer and closer..
6-Run your lips accidentally into her hair, ear, neck, whatever, until she LEANS IN, and then start KISSING HER CHEEK
accidentally as you talk.. 7-Shes on the floor already, so you just sort of lean her sideways over, start tonguing her down, and
then youre on your own bros! :)

ENDGAME - LAST MINUTE RESISTANCE:

Personally, I really like Maniac_Highs stuff on LMR. I use the traditional ASF stuff here. Some general guidelines for LMR from ASF
that I use have always been:

--

youre right, we should stop - and KEEP going, which DISENGAGES her logical brain, since she is TRYING to REMOVE
HERSELF FROM STATE, by getting you to ARGUE.. She is ENJOYING it TOO MUCH, so she will try to play off of YOU in order to
piss herself off with your arguing, and snap herself out of state.. by AGREEING, and continuing, she is left in a position where
SHE will have to do the dirty work if she wants to stop.. that doesnt mean to keep going if she physically resists
WHATSOEVER.. it just means if shes still passionately into it, then just say youre right, we should stop, and WASH RINSE
REPEAT, as Maniac_High says.. IOW, just keep making out or doing whatever the act is that youre doing, and try to escalate it
in another 10 minutes or so, to see if we should stop really means I am not horny enough yet, and need more foreplay
figure out HOW she likes it.. Try getting REALLY INTENSE, and pinning her arms up behind her head and shit like that.. maybe
she doesnt like that.. so adapt, and make it really tender and sweet and all that shit.. structure it so shes being a big doofus
for putting the brakes on, since its just clicking so well.
Barring that, the FREEZE OUT if she resists too much, but her attraction is still ESCALATING, you can TIME IT so that you
literally just GET UP and totally LJBF her. Make her feel STUPID for RUINING such a MAGICAL and PASSIONATE moment. I
learned this first from the Mystery archive, with his get up and play checkers bit.. Then he explained it to me more in real life,
and showed me a video of how to do it that was really sweet. Just remember to stay totally COOL about it, and dont make it
OBVIOUS that youre trying to manipulate her. Dont let your indifference appear TRANSPARENT, or itll just piss her off.

OK thats it.
For me, following my own advice is probably something that I do only SOMETIMES. During PU, I can assert my own reality at my
top ideal capacity maybe 10% of the time. Yet during these times, I can perform at elite levels. Other times, I may do
average/alright, or even downright horribly. It depends on how I feel, and a lot on how the NON pickup related stuff in my life is
going, which is why I make pickup a LOW PRIORITY compared to other things.
Pickup has been a great hobby for me this year, because its been an OUTLET for a greater goal of personal development. I have
enjoyed it, and encourage others who feel interested to participate in the endeavour.

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MIXING AND MATCHING V, A, C, Q, S

Ive been posting on this forum for a year and a half now. Wow, its been awesome. There are alot of guys who have followed the
discussions here ever since around last December (a bit over a year ago), when things started to click for me. The stuff starting
from my 7th PDF archive, that is the hot material. Guys like JLaix, SteviePUA, Twentysix and Coolwater are all up to speed on this.
Other guys have just gotten to the chatboard more recently, and may be confused by the level of discussion were having. Or guys
like TokyoPUA who are just too busy out getting laid, to keep up with my ridiculous amounts of keyboard jockeying, but are curious
about it. This post is just a common sense summary of what we do, and why we do it. There is nothing groundbreaking in this
post, but it is a useful summary and analysis of what we do. Its good review for advanced guys anyway, but really is just intended
to get everyone up to speed. Im posting this because Im about to post some VERY advanced and esoteric shit in the coming
months. Top notch stuff that Im really proud of, and I want to have everyone up to speed on WTF Im doing. Anyway, I really
enjoy participating on this chatboard, and I hope that this encourages people to get out there and test this higher level stuff,
because its really a great hobby and it gets you laid like a fucking rockstar.
Mixing and matching V, A, C, Q, S.
Some basic often asked questions from the scene are:

should I compliment or not?

should I act sexual or playful?
should I bust on the girl, or try to build rapport?
should I open with rapport first because its more genuine, or use opinion openers?
should I try to seduce her, or entertain the group?
should I engage the whole group, or go straight up to the girl?
is bodylanguage and tonality and having an aura of alphaness really enough to attract girls, or do I need to memorize routines?
can I talk my way out of a lay, by trying to hard to use all this game?

What I want to address here, is that these questions do not have blanket answers. I want to break down what the tactics are that
we use, why we use them in particular orders, and whether its even necessary to deliberately use them at all.
Some stuff we all use is:
(V) Social-Value tactics (peacocking, social proof, subcommunicating that you are in and on top of their
you carry yourself in general - you are generally a COOL guy and its obvious)

scene, and the way that

(A) Attract material (push/pull, routines, DHVs, teasing, roleplaying, challenging/qualifying, IVDs, CAT Theory, mini-cold-reads, high
energy humour stories, sexual predator misinterpretation, pimptalk, engaging the group but using active ignorance on the girl you
want, etc etc)
(C) Comfort material (commonalities, exchanging values, yes-ladders, kino/kissing, vulnerability, talking about the emotional
relevance of things and seeing how she responsds, spending approximately 7 hours together and just being together, testing
for trust via leaving stuff with eachother or not taking the chance to make eachother feel uncomfortable when the opportunity
comes up)
(Q) Qualification material (making her perceive that she has unique value to you, arbitrary qualifiers I love redheads, emotional
qualifiers I just feel good around you, hard qualifying Is there more to you than meets the eye? What do you have going for
you?, presenting hoops I want x,y,z in a girl.. (so shell say she has them), genuine compliments, M2F/F2M
(S) Sexual state (slowing down, triangular gazing, phase shift routines, kiss close routines, etc)
So typically, we use the formula of V, A, C, Q, S. Thats a tried and true formula -> it works.
There is no perfect model, and if youre a natural, you dont even need to think about this stuff. You may do it nonetheless, but its
unconscious.
But just in terms of advanced game theory, its interesting to just see that these are elements that in general will usually go into an
interaction that leads to sex. Its also funny to note that a year ago this post would be considered very advanced, but just in terms
of how weve progressed as a chatgroup, this post is actually very basic and obvious stuff (it really belongs in General). I think
thats really cool.
So anyway, to map out why the linear progression typically works, in the particular order of V, A, C, Q, S, we could just look at what
typically is necessary:
AN EXAMPLE OF A LINEAR PROGRESSION (this is just a sweeping generalization):
In most sets, the real hotties wont even give you the time of fucking day unless you are dressed cool, have other girls that want
you, you look like youre just a cool guy who is hanging at the venue and although other girls are chasing you youre not wasting
your time trying to sleep with them (puts you on the LEVEL of the super hottie HB10s since they do the same), and show that you
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From that point, you can open. Yep, a 10 will actually (GASP!) talk to you. Congratulate yourself. :)
You have the basic level of social value thats necessary for the girls to be willing to chat you. Like, in Miami South Beach, me being
a younger guy wearing a Pimp The Clown shirt wont fly. Likewise, acting REALLY FUN wont work either. Thats because its
mostly model golddiggers trying to get rich mafioso. So I dress COOLER than the mafioso, by being like TURBO mafioso. Then I act
COOLER than them, by taking on their mannerisms (like I outlined in that long post about A-list social scenes), but act COOLER than
them. Notice the word COOLER all through this paragraph.. :) ---> BE COOL!
From there, she may talk to you but shell still blow you off fast, unless you do something to make yourself emotionally relevant to
her. Otherwise, youre just a shitty boring movie that she wants to walk out of. You cant go immediately into rapport or act
sexual, because theyll screen you as autopilot response (many many guys have tried that already tonight). Theyre 10s in looks,
and youre a 7. They already have fuckbuddies or boyfriends (90%+ of hot girls are already getting laid), and theyre supposedly
out to have fun and dance with their friends.
So we bust in with canned openers (or a COOL one that you came up with on the spot) to break their pattern of rejecting every guy
that comes their way, and they actually talk to you for even a few minutes more.
Then we pummel them with (A) material, to get them wanting to talk to you more. The push/pull and DHVs and all that. This is the
GLUE that forces them to sit there and actually get to know you as the pickup progresses.
And thats the thing. Even though we spend alot of time on this board discussing the (A) phase (perhaps because so few people
ever get beyond it), but actually its the (C) phase that gets you the girl.
So you get to know the girl and build massive comfort and trust. She loves you. Youre awesome. It wasnt the (A) material that
got you to this point. BUT, it was the (A) material that got her to even acknowledge you in the first place.
Having built comfort, she will still throw up anti-slut-defenses if she hasnt done anything to impress you. The reason for that, is
that her social conditioning tells her This guy just came up to me and made me want to sleep
with him. Now hes trying to ask for my # or extract me. But Ive done nothing to impress him. He must sleep with every girl he
approaches. Im not going to be the next notch on his bedpost. So she flakes you off, despite that shes attracted to you.
Of course, to avoid that we then use (Q) based material. We compliment, and use the other tactics listed above. This makes her
think WOW, I really have what it takes for this awesome guy!
Note, btw, that there are times where you actually have a very natural connection with a girl. You just hit it off amazingly well. So
for those girls, there is no need to deliberately qualify. You can, but its not absolutely necessary or anything. She can sense it, and
so can you. But most super hotties are ditzy by nature. Theyre about as intelligent as YOU would be, if you had everything handed
to you on a silver platter. So who can blame them. But that doesnt mean you dont want to hook up with them, so you need to
make the effort to qualify them.
From there, their ASD wall goes down, and you can go sexual. You phase shift, and shell be open to it.
The linear progression works consistently on most sets. Makes sense. It works. Its field tested by various guys for many many
lays.

OK, so cool. We have reasonably a linear model. However, in spite of that, there are still real world scenarios that pop up, that
raise questions.
1** Deliberately installing the elements of V, A, C, Q, S into every sarge is not always necessary. Many interactions have them
structured into them already, so you need not consciously install them.
2** The particularly order of V, A, C, Q, S is just something that OFTEN works, but it is not always necessary to follow that
particular order. They can often be mixed and matched.
These 5 elements are just generalized things that we can pretty much assume are necessary elements of a pickup. But there are
many many interactions that have these elements already pre-installed, and many many interactions where the particular ordering
of V first, then A, then C, etc, is actually NOT as effective as mixing up the order.
Lets look at a few cases:
PARTIES:
Youre at a party. Portions of is taken care of, because your girls friends all vouch for you, and you come from the same social
circle (so the trust is there, but you still have to connect with the girl so there is still some work). (Q) may even be taken care of to
a certain extent, because it is social custom to hook up with friends of friends (its at least easier). (V) is even often taken care of,
because social value is assumed, just so long as you are one of the more alpha and charismatic guys at the party.
Also, it is UNNECESSARY to open with attract based material. You dont need to use opinion openers to start, and you dont need to
use (A) type material right away, because the girl is LOCKED IN to talking to you. Its a party among friends. She has to talk to
someone, and if youre a cool enough guy it will probably be you. The same goes for A-List top venues, where you have to be a
SOMEBODY to even be permitted into the venue. The girls assume that youre a hot-shot, so you dont have to pummel them with
push/pull right away, just to have them willing to sit there and chat you.
At the same time, you dont want to go in and try too hard for rapport either. Like you dont want to go in there boring as fuck.
Just go in natural. Say Hey, and wait for her to qualify herself a bit. Sit there until she answers, like its ASSUMED that the two of
you should talk to eachother because its a social gathering. Talk about something really fucking cool that you saw. Then build
commonality that the two of you are in the same scene, and shell be intrigued with you a bit. Then, once you have a sort of
rapport, BAM you can slip in the push/pull and tease her a bit.
This is a GREAT formulation for the following reason: You can make her comfortable enough to justify sleeping with you, and then
BAM you up up up buying temperature. You can literally just pull her into the bedroom of the party and full monty right there.

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Its not like with the A prior to C formulation, where you have to worry about her losing state while youre building comfort.
But if thats a problem, then why do we typically use the A first and C second formulation? Again, its because she wont be willing to
even TALK to you if you havent dealt with A.
At a party though, this isnt the case. So it makes much more sense to use a bit of attract just to not be categorized as a chump,
but to build up comfort and fractionate between the two a bit, and then REALLY PUMP the attraction when youre ready to seduce.
YOURE COOLER OR BETTER LOOKING THAN THE GIRL:
If youre very obviously cooler or more attractive than the girl, you can go in with (Q) first. You can literally walk up and
compliment her.
Thats why so many guys say they like compliment openers. Theyve had luck with them. Of course theyre not telling you that
theyre goodlooking or socially proofed guys, or that theyre sleeping with 7s.
YES, I open with compliments. Ive done it many times.
Likewise, Ive walked up and just introduced myself. Like Ill walk up and extend my hand and say Hey, Im Tyler. I thought you
looked like someone Id like to meet. Those are the coolest looking glasses Ive seen in a long time. They rock. Where did you get
them?
Why the fuck not? If the girl looks shy, this will OPEN HER UP. Just so long as it doesnt come across like youre trying to
manipulate her, its fine.
Note that the alot of guys just come across SO COOL by their bodylanguage and tonality, that they can get away with zero routines
or anything. They just need to walk up, tease a bit and let her know that hes interested, and shell go for it.
The same goes for group sets. If youre that cool of a guy, occassionally the girl will signal to her friends I LIKE THIS ONE, SO DO
NOT COCKBLOCK THIS.
The friends will back off. Group theory wont be needed. This is obvious, as girls DO get picked up in clubs by guys who dont know
group theory. Its just not consistent (so saying guys get laid all the time without all this stuff is a logical fallacy, because yes they
DO, but its not CONSISTENT like the way it is with using tactics). Personally I never bank on this though, because even if you have
this, you will still often get cockblocked. The peergroup will just get jealous, and force it. So I engage the whole group, because I
feel that nothing can be lost from it. You can always go sexual down the line

there is no time limit on it, IME. Still, thats not to say that going up direct cant be done. It CAN.
PARTY CHICKS:
In the case of party chicks, they are usually very hyper and not thinking about
safety consequences or social consequences.
So that being the case, there is no discomfort. They arent afraid of you raping them if you get them alone, because theyd LIKE for
you to jump on them. Likewise, they arent worried about being sluts, because they ARE sluts, and they embrace that image as who
they are. Girls like this are called laddettes in Britain. Samantha Jones from the TV show Sex and the City is a girl like that also.
Getting to know a guy is a potential turnoff for her, because she may have BECOME a party chick because she was hurt by a past
guy who she fell in love with and let her down. So making her fall in love with you will just turn her off. She wants fun sex, and
thats it.
So the and (Q) are taken care of. The comfort is that she doesnt give a shit, and the qualification is that shes a horny girl and
you can provide her with her sexual needs. Thats it.
GIRLS CONSCIOUSLY LOOKING FOR SEX:
Oftentimes, girls will be in a bad relationship, or have just broken up, or will not have gotten laid in a long time. They are at a point
where they just want sex. Theyre open to it. If you approach enough women, you will find them. You will have value to these
girls, just by virtue of having a dick in our pants. If they are down with the program, you can cut to the chase.
Likewise, you may be a sex fantasy to the girl. Take a 34 year old woman. Do you think that me, as a super cool looking 24 year
old, has to game her that much? No way. She just wants validation that her hours in the gym have attracted a young toy-boy. I
can go in neutral, and just phase shift and spend a few hours just escalating kino and phase shifting, and well have sex. The same
goes for extremely buffed or goodlooking guys, who get laid all the time. They have no game, but theyre confident and cool
enough not to disqualify themselves when a girl wants them, so they get laid.

Anyway, these are just a few examples.

I could post more, but I think its just common sense.
What Im trying to convey in this post is:
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There are identifiable elements in almost all successful pickups.

Some of these elements must be deliberately installed, while others are often taken care of for you before youve even gone in.
You therefore need not deliberately focus on them, for fear of visibly trying too hard.
There is a sequence that typically works best, because typical pickup situations call for it. However, many situations allow for
you to mix and match the order in which you install the elements, or allow you not to have to install them at all.

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I hope that this answers alot of questions as to stuff like Should I compliment or not? or Is it ungenuine to go in with canned
stuff? Do I really have to use it?, etc etc. For guys who are worried that this stuff is too complicated. ITS NOT. This shit is
fucking easy that Ive posted here. Very understandable. Anyone who can graduate high school can understand everything that
Ive ever posted on this board.
What Im saying is that its situational. It depends on the circumstances. All of these things that we use on mASF are tactics that
are used in certain situations. There is no black and white.
Also, Im hoping that this will encourage guys not to think so linear, and talk themselves out of easy lays by trying too hard to
adhere to a set model.
**Like a big problem on the board is that alot of guys will try to do the A then C thing. They pummel the girl with C&F and then go
rapport. The girls lose state. But really, you can fractionate back and forth. In fact, you can STACK A, C, Q, S ALL THROUGHOUT
MIXED UP IN A BIG MESS. Like you can start sexual with an AI (approach invitation), and then go into being playful, and then
qualify her a bit, be more playful, build trust, tease her, qualify her, phase shift for a minute, push her off and be more playful, etc
etc etc.. THERE IS NO SET FORMULA. The examples that are posted by myself and others are just models that typically work, but in
the real world it is not that black and white.
**I VERY OFTEN stack in qualifying throughout the pickup. I dont usually do it in one phase. I also just go direct sometimes.
These are things I dont post about, because they are so fucking basic to me. But the point is that I dont always adhere to the
exact model that I often discuss on this chatboard. I quickly figure what the situation calls for, and I use common sense. I use the
least amount of game necessary to get from waypoint to waypoint.
Understand why each phase in the model is necessary, and use common sense to decide whether or not to focus on them.
Play the game and have fun!

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BUILDING JEALOSY INTO A SARGE

Insights from hanging with Mys this weekend. Building jealousy into a sarge.
At a certain point in the sarge of an elite level girl in a public venue, you will be concerned about keeping her on her toes. This is
because elite level hot girls have many many options, so you need to really get to them.
A solution to this is to build JEALOUSY into the sarge.
TWO WAYS:
1 - DEMONSTRATE) Once you have established attraction, have a girl come by and sit on your lap.
2 - CONVEY) Accidentally mention that you cant make it for certain plans because you bumped into a certain girl from the past.
Say this in a way that you dont APPEAR to be TRYING to convey this, but are doing it accidentally.
PUA: Actually I cant make it for then/tommorow/whatever.. I bumped into a
....... person..... and I told them that Id meet them for
then/tommorow/whatever..
HB: Oh yeah?
PUA: Yeah... I told her x-time, and I dont want to break it..
(The keys here are INITIALLY using the words person and them, to appear to be initially avoiding bringing up that its a chick)
The key point is that jealousy is a strong emotion.
KEY however is to elicit that emotion at the EXACT PERFECT TIME. Too early, and its lame. Too late, and its so hurtful that she
comes out of state.
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SOCIAL PROOF TRICKS (PIVOTS)

SOCIAL PROOF TRICKS: (good for seducing chicks that LJBFed you, re-seducing exGFs, and non-compliant HBs as I so like to call
them)

1) #Closing girls that only YOU know will be flakes (target proximity = close, within earshot): Most people think that a
#close is as good as gold. After all, Why would she have given a # if she wasnt interested in you?! Of course, ASFers
know all to well that most 2-minute #closes are flakes, but thats just from experience. Most people assume that theyre solid,
quality numbers. How to handle difficult girls then? Start #closing every HB that passes by. Engage her in a pleasant and
exciting 2 minute convo., and #close. Your target will think that youre a mack.

2) Applying heavy kino on pawns (target proximity = distant, out of earshot): Most people think that you cant apply heavy
kino on a girl whos not somewhat sexually engaged. Not true. To bait your actual target, tell her I MUST go over and meet
that beautiful girl over there. Approach your pawn, and tell that you just proposed to your GF, and are just so excited to have
met your soulmate. Then, once the pawns guard is down, start making excuses to kino her (anything). Grab her hands, and
tell her youre so excited about your engagement, can you feel my energy.. ooooh give me a hug!
3)

Find an HB9-10 and tell her directly: Hi, listen, I know this sounds chicken, but I get -really- shy around girls. I -really- like
this girl, I know shes not the prettiest, but I just really like her anyway...shes really special (get her thinking youre sweet and
shy, turn her into your nurturer). I just get so nervous around her, its like you feel (run pattern about how nervous you get, to
gain instant rapport, and to make it exciting for your helper), but if I just could just walk in there with a girl like you, Id feel so
much more confident. It would help me like SO much.
Then tell her directly to ham it up, make it fun for her, like acting. Itll be the most fun part of your helpers day if you do it
properly. Shell enjoy it, and shell feel good helping out such a sweet guy to find romance.
It is sometimes difficult for guys who are less than 7s in looks themselves to PU 9s and 10s without social proof. I suggested
doing whatever you need to get it, and what I suggested is thoroughly FIELD TESTED.
If your persuasion skills are not adequate to get a pawn to agree to something so trivial, good luck getting your actual target to
agree to have sex with you.
Have you PUed any HB9-10s yet? Just because you dont post here often doesnt make me think that you dont. Im just
curious to see if your comment is theoretical.

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BACKTURN HANDGRAB FOR MOVING CHICKS

I wanted to post a separate thread on this, because its a small subtlety thats very useful in my game.
When I go to move a girl, I always stand up, turn my back to start walking, and poke out my hands behind for her to take. Then we
walk holding hands, but shes behind me and Im sort of leading/dragging her.
The reason that this is very effective is:

if you turned your back, and stuck out your hands for her to take, shed be making you look very stupid not to take them, so
shell do it even if she doensnt like you that much (not that this is the case, but the point is that its that effective)
sets the kino frame that kino is OK
because your back is turned to her, shes willing to accept more kino, because it doesnt feel as intrusive
you can do trust-test type kino-pinging to test for IOIs to see how far along you are in the pickup
you can let your hands go somewhat limp, to see if she attempts to hold on, as an IOI test to see how far you are in the pickup
if she comes over to your house, and you want her in your room, you can turn on your cordless phone and pretend youre
talking, and then just walk to the door and let her in... turn around and do that move and lead her to the bedroom. She wont
question it, because to say know shed have to interrupt your phone conversation in YOUR house where shes a guest, so she
wont.. (just say shoes are OK and get her to your room, put her on the bed and then stay distracted for a bit so she doesnt
think youre trying to get her on the bed, then go onto the bed afterwards)

So basically, you turn away from her, and put out your two hands behind your
back for her to take. Then you lead her.
You can also swing her to your right or left, and then you have her in good position.
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RAPPORT BUILDING
OK, rapport building is the weakest link in my PU skills, and its going to be my main focus of improvement in the coming months.
My model of the world is typically different than most chicks, so it can be hard sometimes to decide WHAT to reveal and what to
keep to myself until later. BEFORE the lay, chicks are looking for reasons NOT to lay you. AFTER the lay, chicks are looking for ways
to JUSTIFY having slept with you. Women tend to BACKWARDS JUSTIFY. SO keep alot of yourself INSIDE, until AFTER the lay, since
by then shell find alot of your idiosyncrasies CUTE and AMUSING. If you let go the WRONG things, she may still like you, but
SCREEN you. STILL, you have to be REAL with the chick, because this is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the PU in certain ways. With
PARTY CHICKS, its LESS important, and sometimes UNNECESSARY altogether. I know some chicks whove said dont tell me your
name, itll ruin it during sex. So be OBSERVANT. The KEY to rapport building is to be REAL. You have to ACTUALLY CARE about what
the chick is saying, and you have to be REAL with her. BE YOURSELF in certain ways. Be APPROPRIATE of course, but be yourself at
least on some levels. CREATE A CONNECTION to the chick. REMEMBER, she will be FAR more AGREEABLE to WHATEVER you tell her,
when youve done the foundational ATTRACTION work, PRIOR to ALLOWING her to get rapport with you. So its OK to say whats on
your mind, to a certain extent. STILL, you may want to switch back and forth from stuff that conveys value, to stuff that FITS HER
MODEL OF THE WORLD. That means that although you want to disclose things that are FLATTERING to yourself, the MORE
IMPORTANT thing is to disclose COMMON EXPERIENCES like CHILDHOOD intrigue, and what you went through in life. CHERRY PICK
for COMMON types of EMOTIONAL experiences, and EXPLORE THEM TOGETHER. But first, lets say AGAIN, that using CERTAIN types
of approaches this is UNNECESSARY. Using PURE Gunwitch sexual-state projection, this can BREAK her sexual state. SAME if youre
going for ONS with a party-chick, and the rapport will KILL her lust for you. So be OBSERVANT. READ THE SIGNS. If she isnt
attempting to get rapport with you, she may INSTEAD suggest an isolation herself (without your prompting it). I had a chick DRAG
me to the bathroom, so that we could be alone, and so that she could ATTEMPT to get me to fuck her in the bathroom. Had I gotten
rapport with this chick, she would have lost interest in that I bet. Too bad Im not into washroom sex, but thats another issue.
Again, READ HER SIGNALS. She will GIVE you WHAT YOU NEED to fuck her, if you are OBSERVANT. If she needs rapport, or more
partying, or more romance, there are WAYS to key into it.
Examples:
-whats your name? = rapport
-lets go over here (isolates herself for you) =
cockiness/partyguy/alpha/sex
-neutral talk with sexual bodylanguage, sexual tonality, etc = stay neutral, focus on BODYLANGUAGE / Gunwitch style
-HB9.5+ chick touching you = a TEST where you have to say hands off the merchandise, since she is RE-VALIDATING herself.. this
is for ELITE hot chicks
These are just a FEW signals. Start keying into the signals chicks give you, and learn to ADAPT.
MIDGAME / GET TOGETHER STUFF: When you get together with chicks, you can stuck in a fucking AFC TRAP. One of the big
probs with get togethers, even after TIGHT pickups, is getting out of the AFC FRAME. This is a SERIOUS problem, that I STILL
having a sticking point with. I know HOW to get out of it, but I cant actually do it 100% of the time. One of the problems with this
medium (internet), is that we can convey LINES, and STRATEGIES, but we cant really convey ACTIONS and DELIVERY in the same
level of detail.
No matter HOW detailed my post is, its just DAMNED hard to convey this kind of thing. But what can I do?? Lets give it a SHOT :)
The chick may be perceiving you as ALPHA and immediate-fuck worthy during the PU, but once shes had time to re-affirm her worth
and fortitude between the PU and the get-together, shes placed you back into a BETA/AFC frame.
Or maybe its not even that, but that you didnt blend attraction generating strategies with rapport building strategies. Or maybe shes
a party-chick, who only likes to bang guys she just met either way. Theres TONS of reasons that shes slotted you AFC by the meet,
but it doesnt MATTER, so long as you dig yourself OUT of that categorization. You may have even gotten a tongue-down at the
meet, but when you get there for the meet-up, shes acting like she got back from charm- school. A few months ago, I had a chick
tell me that its ON next time we meet (since the grocery store was closed and we couldnt get condoms late at night in Kingston). I
call her to pick her up a few days later, and she wants to meet at the coffee shop instead of her house. We meet, and I try to move
us to another venue (since Im gonna make up an excuse to isolate), and she REFUSES.
Similarly, I had a chick who was implying go home together at the club. Since I usually dont like ONS from clubs, I declined, but
said meet up for tomorrow. Next day she was all LOVING ME, but HOLDING OUT since she was playing The Rules style shit on me.
This shit happens ALL THE TIME, when youre using solid ASF tactics to FORCE meetups. For me, instead of asking for a #, Ill set a
MEET time and date right there. This is FAR less likely to get flakes than a # where I live, since its a smaller place and the chick
KNOWS that Ill see her again and be pissed off, if she stands me up. Not to mention that I give her the I dont tolerate flaky people
who are into a plan one minute, but arent cool and motivated enough to stick to it.. are you one of those people??? whole speil. So
naturally, I dont get many flakes but I DO get this cold phenomenon on certain occasions. Overnight, it has turned from a fuck
thing, to a AFC old fashioned date, where shes not being playful or touchy/feely, youre both kinda uncomfortable 1950s style, and
the natural chemistry is AWOL.
So what is the ANSWER???
Women are ADAPTABLE, and FLUID. They ADAPT to the frame that YOU set.
-PERSONAL SIDE NOTE ON MIDGAME, AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FOR THE JUGGULAR AND LAY HER RIGHT AWAY:
This is the DILEMMA. This is the part I HATE. You may WANT a chick that will HOLD OUT for the first few dates, in order to JUSTIFY
TO YOURSELF that the chick is QUALITY. The problem with this rationality the chick is ONLY holding out because of the FRAME that
youre putting her in.
The UNFORTUNATE reality for guys looking for a quality woman, is that a womans quality is NOT contingent on her sexual
promiscuity (yep, sorry bros.. we have to base it on other stuff). The very large majority of EMOTIONALLY HEALTHY women will fuck
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Why do you think that chicks REFUSE to sleep in the same bed as a guy who theyre not sure of yet. Or even be alone with him???
This is the shit that Gunwitch keyed me into. Get isolation as SOON as possible, and since chicks are EMOTIONAL-STATE-BASED,
they will be EASILY seduced when in isolation because of the lack of social consequences. Chicks KNOW that they want sex very
bad, and they KNOW that if they dont have social consequences to help them keep their fortitude, theyll break down and do what
they really want. So better just to get the GAMES out of the way, and try to nail her ASAP. If you dont want to, then at least get her
back to your place, and in your bed, so that she KNOWS that you are an alpha male, and that you just DECIDED that you didnt want
to yet, on YOUR TERMS. That way, shell at least register you as an exciting alpha male type, and not be TEMPTED in the future by
those kind of guys, since in her head she believes she already has one. This is a HUGE prob with chicks. They will cheat with WAY
less guilt than guys, because
they RATIONALIZE that the beta-guy that shes with is LUCKY that she stays around, and that hes really really nice. For me, my
word is BOND, and I wont cheat if I agreed to LTR. But as a guy I am LOGICAL. Its often actually EASIER to lay a chick with a BF,
because you only have to convey that you are better than ONE GUY, as opposed to being AS GOOD as her concept of an fantasy
IDEAL GUY. Point being dont fool yourself. Chicks are STATE BASED, and will most often FUCK when the right
emotions/states/hormones go through her.
Dont waste your time trying to structure a traditional relationship, because youll often get fucked over. Devise a set of FAST
SCREENS, to test whether or not a chick is fuck-worthy within MINUTES of meeting her, so that you can just go for the lay ASAP. Its
often your INITIAL INTUITIONS about a chick (when using good screens for what you want) that are MOST RELIABLE anyway. It
took me a YEAR AND A HALF to figure out that my old AFC-LTR was a headcase, but using what I know now in terms of screens, I
could have screened her within 2 minutes (using basic LSE tests and a cocky pickup style that LSE chicks cant stomach).
So back to the topic of MID GAME, and SETTING THE FRAME. Women are adaptable and fluid. What does this MEAN???
Well when you roll up on the chick for the meet, and you detect that shes gone cold, you have to adapt by ASSERTING the frame
that you want, for the duration of the interaction. If shes being difficult, do NOT try to LOGICALLY explain to her what youre doing. I
remember when I first started ASF, I started EXPLAINING to a chick that I was meeting up with how all chicks would give it up for
the right guy, and that she needed to get with the program, and shit like that. Or explaining why youre better than her boyfriend, or
that this get-together really is a hookup and not just coffee like shes trying to say it is, or explaining WHY this was going to be a
hookup and not a date, or explaining why you dont spend $$$ on the first date (that last one is the most COMMON mistake of new
PUAs verbally explaining why you wont spend $$$... hahah Ive done that, and its LAME ASS.. it will NEVER WORK).
NEVER explain to the uncooperative chick what it is that you are doing. Just DO it. Make it just happen, despite the no-sex
intentions that she had going in. Some basic strategies, on how to RE-ASSERT the hook-up/non-date frame:
WHEN YOU SEE HER, INITIATE PLAYFUL KINO IMMEDIATELY:
-run up and spin-hug her (credit no9)
-roll up, take her right hand with your right hand, her left handwith your left hand (so your hands are x-crossed), and TWIRL her
around
-roll up, and shake hands, but pull your hand UP and TWIST your wrist, so she has to spin (credit Craig)
-sneak up, and tap her wrong shoulder so she looks around for you.. then sort of bump her when s she sees you
-steal something from her and make her wrestle you for it
-flick something at her so she attacks you
-mercy fight
TRY TO TAKE HER TO AN EXCITING PLACE, THAT IS COST FREE.. NOT EVEN ONE CENT:
-find a strip with sexy/outrageous clothes, and try them on and tease eachother and play-wrestle
-meet her at a park, where you can play frisbee or rollerblade or iceskate, and you can tackle her
-teach her one basic-simplistic mentalism illusion, go around FOOLING people with it
-have a funny adventure together.. go around asking where you can find a cheap hotel as a joke (credit Dreamweaver I never
actually tried this yet, but think it would be good for chicks with a CERTAIN type of outgoing personality)
REMEMBER THAT TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS IS NOT RAPPORT: Remember this ANALOGY if a chick is banging herself on the
head with a HAMMER, and she is BLEEDING, and she says my head hurts, you can respond with either A) stop hitting yourself on
the head with a hammer, and it will stop bleeding, or B) that sounds hard.. Im sure that youll find a way to make it stop hurting
though....
ANYWAY, check THIS out.. - ALWAYS CHOOSE ANSWER B.
-rapport is meant to establish a COMMON MODEL OF THE WORLD, NOT to establish you as her EMOTIONAL TAMPON.
-NEVER try to get rapport with HER.. Keep ATTRACTING her, until SHE tries to get rapport. NEVER ask her questions about herself,
until SHE intiates that conversation. Again, this is for HOT HSE chicks, NOT for LSE chicks, who you should just focus on telling them
that they are trash, and that you wont judge them for it, so they should stick with YOU conforming to their self-loathing beliefs, etc
etc..
-if she complains, BRIEFLY show some very light empathy, and CHANGE the subject BACK to attraction generating stuff (tickling,
teasing, ANYTHING other than that crap).. AGAIN, NOT for LSE chicks or dumbass UGs, who you should just listen, tell them that
theyre trash, and should stick with you.. thats ALL it takes for these LSE chicks..
NEVER LET THE DATE GO "LJBF-FEEL. IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE CHARGED IN SOME WAY.
MINIMIZE QUIET-TIME:
-try to avoid long drives before youve had sex, unless youre good at macking while driving
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-if youre just meeting her at a club, and she agrees to go home with you, dont let her get away from you or disengage her
emotional states.. She will go back to her friends, be dissuaded, and flake.
-if you pick her up at her house, attempt the NEWSPAPER INK CLOSE, explained later in this post.
-the SECOND you see the interaction going QUIET or STALLING, tickle her, steal something, do ANYTHING to keep it charged at ALL
COSTS. Stick your tongue out at her, -whatever-.. do SOMETHING
-a GREAT strategy for when you STALL, is to use the awkward pause as a time to PHASE SHIFT. Just look DEEP into her eyes. Shell
say what... whaaaaaat.., and you just look at her al confident and knowingly, then either project sexual state Gunwitch style, or run
a phase shift ROUTINE.
-as an absolute LAST RESORT, have some gimmicks prepared. AVOID THIS, but if its massively stalling, it can provide FODDER to
neg her and tease her with, when she discloses certain things about herself throughout the course of the exercise.
-**do things that CONFUSE her, such as saying she cant have you, and kissing her. Saying shes a DORK or DWEEB, and tickling
her.
USE FRACTIONATION TECHNIQUES: When you drop a mega-bomb pattern on her, step back and let the experience SOAK IN..
dont push her over the edge and make yourself come across UNGENUINE
Constantly go BACK and FORTH be a STATE MANIPULATION MASTER.. a fucking PUPPET MASTER.. push her through states like a
fucking PRO.. OBSERVE when shes at a boiling point, and do SOMETHING ELSE.. go back and forth, back and forth.. keep her on her
toes.. dont be predictable and run a 2 hour patterning session, or 2 hours of C&F.. dont let yourself into a RUT of fluff talk.. go back
and forth, left and right, up and down.. have STRATEGIES on how to do that..
MAKE IT IMPLICIT THAT SHE LOSES IF SHE PLAYS 'GAMES' - YOU DO NOT NEED HER. NOT STATED DIRECTLY, BUT
MADE OBVIOUS:
-if shes a party-girl type, then check out other chicks in front of her, without making any excuses for it. When she shit-tests you,
DENY it in a FUNNY way, that is basically a shit-testing passing measure. It has to be FUNNY, and you dont take her accusations
SERIOUSLY.
-do funny things, like chatting up OTHER chicks making them LAUGH.. when you meet other chicks, do like 1000 little funny kisses
on their hands.. mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa on some new chicks hand, so shell GIGGLE around you, and SOCIAL PROOF you for the
chick youre with (for HSE chicks only).. Show her you are DESIRABLE, and have the ability to WALK.
-Check HER out LIBERALLY, at points when its GOING WELL. So dont do it when shes still being uncooperative, but do it when shes
starting to want you. Even check her out, and joke that she cant have you.
-make it your TOP PRIORITY to enlist the help of PIVOTS, who can help you with particularly stubborn chicks.. Basically, what you
want to do, is to do what the chicks who YOU wanted back your AFC days did to YOU, but in REVERSE. Have chicks that are
ORBITERS, and who will do ANYTHING to keep your friendship.
Talk to them like youre a FAG, but at the same time make them feel SAFE around you. Have female FRIENDS, who LOVE you and
would do ANYTHING for you. When a chick is stubborn, have them roll up on you while youre out, and hug you and look all jealous
at the chick that youre with. If you dont CURRENTLY have a pivot, then LJBF the next chick that you go out with, and start
CULTIVATING a LEGIT friendship with her. You can also use her for CLUBS, so that when you PU chicks from clubs, they SAW direct
EVIDENCE that she isnt the only chicks that you are in contact with.
-if absolutely necessary use stuff, like CPowles shit about all my relationships start passionately to REFRAME the traditional-dating
mentality.
Make it clear that you want things NATURAL, and that you dont appreciate society dictating your actions, and that you go in with
NO AGENDA, and just let whatever happens happen.. does SHE have an agenda??? :) Follow this with tickling and such, to keep her
IN STATE. Still, this is to be avoided, since it is PREFERABLE just to seem MYSTERIOUS and that you don't JUSTIFY yourself. Its
actually better to just have a knowing look, and NOT REACT to her bullshit.
Still, this doesnt always work, so fall back on these strategies. SET THE "YOU ARE IN CONTROL" FRAME, BY TAKING AWKWARD
PAUSES, AND STARING AT HER DEEPLY, ETC:
-dont ask her for her permission on ANYTHING.. if you are ALPHA shell appreciate it.. if youre BETA, shell TEST you on it, and you
have to NOT REACT
-at certain points, just sit there and LOOK at her.. let the ENDORPHINS run through both of you
-strike while the iron is HOT.. NEVER pass up on a HOT MOMENT, or the chicks limbic brain will be DISENGAGED
-take her places without telling her where youre going.. good, because when you bring her somewhere isolated, the PRECEDENT
that you dont say anything will have been set.
-Again, ALWAYS phase shift when the time is right.. NEVER be afraid to phase shift.. REMEMBER that is in IN FACT,
-INAPPROPRIATE- and TACKY- not to phase shift when the time is right. GO IN FOR THE KILL WHEN SHE IS PRIMED OR RISK
LOSING ALL YOUR PROGRESS. HAVE FUN WHILE USING THESE SORTS OF TACTICS:
-REMEMBER, that if using these tactics is not FUN for you, that you will come off as LAMEASS and INCONGRUENT.
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IS.
-dont be a TRY-HARD, or chicks will DETECT it, and assume that you have an AGENDA, and that you are not GENUINE, which is a
massive TURN OFF for them.
SO REMEMBER: Keep the interaction TIGHT and CHARGED. Either focusing on attracting until phase shift, or attracting until she
wants RAPPORT, giving that to her, and then phase shifting. Your goal is to get her to her BOILING POINT. Stick a fork in me, Im
done. Using this kind of MENTALITY that Im NOT being screened by her, but rather just doing my own thing, I can almost ALWAYS
get with a chick Im interacting with. The problem for ME, and my SP, is actually picking the chick up in the first place, so I can get a
CLEAN SHOT at her. But so long as I have a CLEAR SHOT, I can use this kind of stuff to close no probs.. Thats why I was able to PU
the Cosmo Model on the airplane. Because I had her ONE on ONE, on the plane. In a club, I doubt I could have gotten ANYWHERE,
given my current skillsets. I can even get with my profs, my teaching assistants, and any chick that gets left alone with me for
whatever reason. Because I EXPLOIT having a CLEAR SHOT, since being ALONE together FORCES her to live in ONE of our frames.
Since my frame is DOMINANT, she will be sucked in MINE. The KEY, is to keep it in YOUR FRAME. Do NOT succumb to the DATING
FRAME, or you will 99% NOT close the chick that night (or even that month). You should SENSE the dating frame when its
occurring, by her Im not sure yet composure, and sort of evaluating / NOT swept off her feet thing, often evident by lack of kino and
her not leaning into you. You should always be doing SOMETHING to bring yourself closer to your goal. Teasing, touching, subtly
demonstrating your excellence, connecting deeply in rapport, projecting a sexual state, leading, playing hard to get, confusing,
playfighting, conspiring together, stimulating, pausing awkwardly to show your absolute comfort in your own reality, having fun, etc
etc etc.. SOMETHING that is moving you to the goal. Eventually, when youre GOOD, youll do these things NATURALLY, without
much thought. Im PART WAY there, so I still have to do them CONSCIOUSLY oftentimes. But a lot of them I just do NATURALLY
now. Now if you are a HARDCORE SKILLED PUA, you could even take them outfor dinner and PAY FOR IT, and STILL get laid.. Just
so long as you keep YOUR frame the whole time. This makes it MUCH more difficult, but so long as you keep YOUR frame (as
described above), the chick will ADAPT to whats put out, and still do what you want. DICTATE the frame, and the chick will ADAPT to
it. You RESULTS will be dictated by what you PUT OUT THERE. Suck the chick into YOUR reality, and she will be more inclined to
adapt to YOUR frame. Remember that chicks ADAPT, and that you are FUCKING UP if things arent moving forward in one way or
another. At the same time, having fun IS moving things forward, so dont be PARANOID that youre not. Having fun isnt something
that you FAKE. Its something that you DO. Put out the RIGHT frame, and shell be into DIRTY SEX, and THREESOMES, and SEXUAL
CONNECTIONS, and all sorts of EROTIC type shit.. Put out the WRONG frame, and shell be into SCREENING you and DATING and
NINETEEN-FIFTIES type shit. She will ADAPT to what you put out, so put out the RIGHT vibe. She will APPRECIATE it.
TD: Rapport Sequencing: How I often run rapport
After I convey value, I move to building rapport.. This is like a coal-train that has to be fueled.. I pump them more and more with
rapport..
However, unlike conveying higher-value, I try to EASE her into it. This results in not coming off as one of those guys who wants to
be "deep" *all the time*, and disarms any thoughts that she has that I'm messing with her, since the convo builds and builds.. It's
very natural that way, and I also enjoy it more myself.
Initiate playful kino, non-stop, so that the kino boundary is SET as NORMAL. Normalize the kino, or even play the kiss-game
variation early in the C&F phase of the sarge (not relating to this post, as this is the earlier stuff).
1) light rapport
2) medium rapport
3) heavy rapport
LIGHT RAPPORT:
-short vital stats thread (name/age/work/school/background)
-upbeat stories (friends / cute anecdotes / feel good stories / jokes / humour / show that you can be easy going)
-fun reads such as Ring Finger pattern, if done more as a routine than a nuclear pattern (RF pattern can also be a nuclear bomb
used in heavy rapport, if done don-juanish, not just out of fun-interest)
MEDIUM RAPPORT:
-childhood regressions, how they felt
-finding commonalities
-exploring philosophies
-CUBE
-insecurities / vulnerabilities
HEAVY RAPPORT:
-YES Ladder
-PREV (pre-researched EV, triusms, etc.see separate post)
-rather than E.V., I study the female psyche, and use the 'truisms' idea to discuss ideas that convey that I am the perfect man.. I
am not like other guys, and convey that the problems that they had in past relationships won't happen with me, through the
'truisms' discussion
-Instant connection pattern / transition to Love vs. Attraction pattern
-STACK and associate types of connections.. create massive yes- ladder, and then get her saying 'yes, yes, yes' to all your
comments about connections, until you can draw the similarity between PHYSICAL and EMOTIONAL connections
-REFRAME physical connections as simply a DIFFERENT brand of connection, but still a *LEGITIMATE* connection.
-natural woman pattern
-implicit idea that you and her are *ON* comes across, playful kino escalates
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**Now if I can't close the deal right there (logistical), then I REWIND and go back to LIGHT RAPPORT.
This is VERY important, because if you leave her as your last conversation being all "deep" and shit, then she feels weirded out by it
since she feels like she has to RE-INITIATE this mentally- draining deep convo the next time that she sees you.
So the solution is to go back to just fluff talk for a few minutes before parting ways, so that she that it is natural when you see
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RAPPORT AUTOPILOT RESPONSE

SOME THOUGHTS (SKIP IF YOU WANT CONTENT):
If you want to develop a master skillset, try to go out at least 4 nights a week. The other 3 use for all your day2s and phone work.
Allocate 3-4 hours per day to this, and dont slack with afterbar food and waiting in lineups. Otherwise 3 hours becomes 8, and you
wont have time to live the rest of your life. Try to find a wing who you like that you can debrief with and share constructive criticism
with during post-game debrief. Write down all your best lines and post like a madman so that youll internalize all your best moves.
Get a small digital camera so you can periodically videotape yourself in set and see how you come across. Think about the subtle
details of how you come across, not just the material. Consider what youd think of yourself, if the two of you were to meet. :)
Because of extensive field work, my game has continued to improve at a phenomenal rate. My skillset is very noticably stronger
from last month, and last month is was stronger than the month before. Guys who saw me 3 months ago wouldnt believe the
difference. It is very noticable. Im smoother and more laid back. Im faster on my feet and my situational reaction times and
repertoire of tools has improved. I am at the top of my game right now, but with the stuff Im working on Ill look back in 6 months
and wonder how I even got by with the skillset I have right now. I have rapport and connection sequencing that Im working out,
that will make it as automatic as my attraction game. Im testing and re-testing various different sequencing, and going out day and
night.
Anyway, here is the latest thing Ive been doing, that has increased my potency in set.
AUTOPILOT RAPPORT TRIGGERING:
When youre in set, youre gaming the girls and youre speaking and acting differently than how youd act to your best friend. This is
obvious - if you dont, you wont generate attraction. Its not that kind of interaction. Theres a different energy to it. A platonic
interaction usually yields a platonic response, because its autopilot.
Sometimes a set goes bad, or sometimes you need to move it along for an extraction, or sometimes an obstacle gets freaked out by
the level of IOIs her friend is giving out to someone she just met.
Oftentimes, you just need to pump more buying temperature, and the problem corrects itself.
Most guys make the mistake of trying to logically convince a girl to escalate when theyre met with resistance. For example, theyll
ask for a phone number, and shell say no. Hell keep trying to get it. Or the same for a kiss or an extraction. Cmon. Cmon. Itll
be fine, etc etc..
This is inherently flawed, and goes against the current and only yields more resistance. Instead, back up a bit, and re-game.
Pretend that the rejection never even happened. Dont even acknowledge it. Act like you didnt hear it, and move on to continue
gaming. Pump buying temperature more, and then try again later. It will work.
Thats why you need a repertoire of stories that you know will pump their state. The second you get resistance you just throw up
more stories, and the girls get so giddy that their ASD drops. You guys have read stories about me pulling girls from their
boyfriends, or last week climbing over a fence to pull a 2set. Obviously these kinds of things throw up resistance, but if you have the
material to re-initiate state, you can reliably count on it to initiate state without worrying about contingencies. They forget what
you tried, and because their emotions say This feels good, they just go with it. I always roll with more material, and cut off
threads that arent helping me. I just plow through and ignore all resistance or social convention. My only goal Initiate state.
Initiate state. Initiate state. Escalate.
But at the same time, sometimes the girls catch on to this. You have attraction but trust has gone down because they cant figure
out how youre doing it. Other times they get mad at you for something you said or for something thats happening, and just gaming
them more wont work. Other times they get freaked out that you took them home too fast - whatever.
The solution is to exploit their autopilot responses. Think to yourself, If someone acts x-way towards them, how would they act?
How can I act, to get them to react in a way that benefits me?
What Ill do, is drop all game and go full rapport. This is a form of fractionation, but it goes deeper than that.
For example, Ill pull a set back to my house, and theyll start freaking out (because I did it too fast, and didnt play a solid game).
Theyll start freaking, and Ill just say Hey, whats up guys. You guys are awesome, Im glad we met and got to hang out. Im
thinking of going to bed actually, but I had an awesome time tonight. Do you guys like this place? Or anything. It doesnt matter.
The point is that I drop all game and just act normal. Also, if its not penetrating, Ill say Yeah, Im having such an awesome time
tonight. You guys look a little freaked out, and really I want to hang with you tommorow, so I think you guys should go so that we
can hang out later. You guys were all having fun before but youre not totally comfortable right now so we could just catch up later.
Oftentimes, the girls see that you know the deal, and theyll get totally comfortable. Like youre addressing the negative emotions
that theyre getting, and theyll just totally open up.
Also, Ill sometimes use reality pacing shit. Like Ill open a set, and theyll look freaked out that some random dude is just talking to
them. So I back up a foot or two, and say Oh woops. Im just totally chatty right now because Im waiting for my friends. Its like
all weird though.. (and Ill make hand motions showing personal spacing between us, to imply like I know they felt like I was
infringing).
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WORDS are not congruent with social projection. Like an apology would have certain vocal inflections that go with it. Certain ways
youd talk. But I do the reality pacing in a way where its like Im talking about a cool painting that were both looking at. That way,
on a logical level they can calm themselves down, but on an emotional level Im not triggering any channels that lower my value or
break attraction.
Whats interesting, is that the girls will often bust out laughing (because their brains cant process whats happening and youre
releasing various emotions), and they start shooting IOIs. Ill talk about this in some field reports.
THE POINT: Recognize that certain social behaviours will yield very specific social responses. Ignore social convention and dont be
afraid to say or do things that make NO SENSE whatsoever in an interaction. Focus only on getting the response that you want, and
flipping the switch that will yield the autopilot response. This is no different than saying to a girl We should only be friends and
then kissing/biting/sucking her neck. Youre saying one thing on a logical channel to disarm resistance, but on an emotional channel
youre doing things to increase her state.
The same goes for wacking her with straight friendly rapport type vocal inflections and facial expressions, while addressing legit
concerns of creepiness. Then immediately SWAPPING back to attract game as soon as the emotional clog has been removed and
continue the pickup as per normal procedure.
This shit is kind of obscure, so Ill post some FRs on it at some point.

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KINO TESTS
An interesting phenomenon is that when you touch girls who like you, they always go out of their way to touch back.. It seems to be
some sort of subconscious mating mechanism..
When I go around the club high-fiving chicks, the ones who want me will ALWAYS try to clasp my hand and keep me there.. I have
literally gone up to a chick, high-fived her, and when she clasped my hand I started tonguing her down (before Ive even said one
word to her).. This has happened a few times now.
If I caveman a chick, shell tickle me back and shit like that. I pulled a go-go dancer from Guvernment one night with Twentysix,
Papa, and No9, just by tickling this chick (It was too loud to talk, so I said fuck this! and just started going caveman on every
chick that passed me, until I pulled).
She tickled back, and knowing that the kino test had been POSITIVE, I just literally DRAGGED her out of the club, barely haven
spoken a word to her.
Literally, I tickled and DRAGGED her from the club. Her friends werent there obviously (massive warehouse club). She loved it.
Point is though, how did
I know I could get away with it? Or the insta-tongue-downs? Just by KINO
TESTS.
When I do kino opener, sometimes Ill roll up on girls and ask a quick question, then say youre my new best friend and wrap my
arms around her.. if shes digging me shell almost always wrap her arm back around me, even if shes in shock for a second and
has to do it after when its not really timed properly..
Chicks will also do weird things, like if you hold her hands, and turn around and drop your hands, shell keep her hands RIGHT
THERE in the hopes that youll re-initiate the kino.
Have you ever been in tightly packed car beside a chick, and she gets out for a sec, but you stay PERFECTLY STILL in hopes that
shell come back to that position? Or maybe you had your leg against hers in a lecture class, and she got up to go to the washroom
for a minute. You kept your leg right there in the hopes that it would go back in place.. (never does either dammit!)
This is the kind of stuff Im talking about.
Another good test is to clasp hands mercy fight style, and then lower them waist level and see if she keeps it going. Or butting
heads softly/gently, and see if she leans in or not.
***A really interesting thing that Ive also noticed is girls UNWILLINGNESS to displace themselves physically in ANY WAY
WHATSOEVER until they are into you (usually attraction, but sometimes also with deep rapport).
So basically, you may notice stuff like if you try to do the spin-maneuvre on a chick who thinks badly of you, shell refuse to spin. If
you say to a chick your arms are crossed.. you look uptight, and she isnt attracted yet, shell REFUSE to uncross them.. Literally,
shell keep saying Im cold and she wont uncross them for ANYTHING. Same thing when you suggest moving venues. If they
dont like you, it will NOT happen. Chicks just wont displace themselves for guys they dont like.
If you try to make a physical move too early in the sarge, you have fucked up the sequence, and the sarge often ends.
HOWEVER, sometimes girls will mumble shit like not yet, or they might decline a #close or something, but STILL keep flirting and
talking to you. That seems to be a subconscious way of saying Im not wet enough yet, but if you keep sarging me I may be there
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KINO ESCALATION
This shit Ive known a long time, but just watching Mystery in action again last weekend I was paying particular attention to it,
because I wanted to have a really clear cut second opinion before I posted about it.
Kino escalation is something thats key to pickups. As noted in the past, I dont like pushy kino, because girls lockup as a result and
it telegraphs too much interest.
Rather, I use it as a reward, which I think is so important.
In the past, Ive used no kino whatsoever, and relied on verbal gaming to get them to kino ME, and then reciprocated as a reward
for things they did. This got them in a frame where they were chasing me. Like a little doggie left home alone, who has to push the
feed me button. Pavlovian conditioning.
After hanging out with Commander Zap in London, he mentioned to me Id be in kino by now. I thought Id give it a try and post
back some results.
What Ive been doing is using what girls would find to be FUN KINO, in order to escalate.
So for example, Ill put out my hands palms up, and then pull her in. I always pull HER in, rather than invade her personal space
(props Mys). I also never use invasive kino, like placing my fingers in her line of sight which will make her flinch. If my hands go
into her facial area, I backup with one foot so that it gives the illusion of comfort.
My buddy always says you can always stroke the rabbit to calm it before you snap its neck.. :)
FUN kino is like kino that shell like, but can justify to herself arent sexual even though they are. Shell THINK theyre not, until
its too late.
So anyway, my favourite types of fun kino are like (most of these I learned from CHICKS):

getting her to scratch your back, and then scratch hers. So like you hug and then go ummm, baby scratch my back for a sec
and then scratch hers also.
put your fingers at the back of her wasteline, and then run them up with walking fingers HARD against her back, all the way up
to her neck and then grab her traps (muscles connecting her neck to her shoulders) and massage them down (this is honestly
one of my best moves, so if you dont get it post because I use this non-stop)
hand massaging
biting (as a funny joke)
hair pulling at the back and pull her neck back and do a joke bite.
hair stroking, or head massaging
encorporate mini-cold-reads into a massage like hey this is tense.. this means that youre x-mini-cold-read, or doing actual
REAL cold reads off of things youre doing to her physically.
if shes sitting on a chair, sit on the floor facing her and hug her knees and rest your head on her lap. If isolated, you could
later choose to pull her down and lock legs around eachothers waists.
if sitting, get her to lean back against you between your legs in a V-shape (so shes in between the V). This gives you massive
maneuvrability to breath into her ears or rub your nose on her neck or play with her hair or even braid it or something.

***IN ALL CASES, BE THE ONE TO END IT FIRST***

***CONTINUALLY SHOW WILLINGNESS TO DISCONTINUE AND RE-INITIATE OR BAIT HER TO
RE-INITIATE SHORTLY AFTER***
That will make her take you seriously, since she was getting gradual rewards, rather than you obviously TRYING TO SEDUCE HER.
Girls can always tell when youre trying to seduce them, rather than just chilling and enjoying the interaction and seeing where it
goes in a natural/genuine way.

KEY is that in solid game we use tonguedowns and makeouts as a COMFORT BUILDER.
This goes back to why I first said that you have to go rapport (now I call it comfort building) after you go C&F.
If you go pure C&F, the chick will flake on you if you dont lay her same night. The reason is that she is not COMFORTABLE hanging
with you for a day2 if you went pure C&F. Why? Its all related to BUYING TEMPERATURE. Girls feel uncomfortable meeting agian,
because theyre scared that youll take the same liberties with them when their volume knob was up, but now theyve come out of
state and its down, but 99% of guys dont understand that they need to turn it back up before they can get back to where they were
at the initial venue. Girls will even show up for get-togethers with guys they arent THAT attracted to, just because theyre SOCIAL.
The main cause of flaking for PUAs is DISCOMFORT.
This is because guys attraction mechanism is like a light switch - on or off - binary - 0 or 1. For girls its like a VOLUME KNOB. It
goes up slowly, and theyll PERMIT more escalation as the volume knob goes up.
I use the last paragraph as a ROUTINE, except that I SWITCH the guys and girls part, and say that I need comfort and trust and
connection before I can concede to a girl that Im attracted to, and for my friends to approve also, so please slow down and be
patient or Im going to go dance with my wingman... This is a GREAT routine IMO, because it shows in a humorous way that you
understand girls and their attraction mechanisms and that I wont violate them by escalating too quickly so she can feel free to get
all emotional since I wont abuse of it -> ummmm yeah.. :)
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girlcode to girls as a routine, but in a funny way, because they enjoy it and
it tells them things about themselves. But most importantly, it lets them know
that you understand women, and that youre in the know
So anyway, back to comfort building.
As IJJJJI recently posted (THANKS for this because guys keep emailing me about this and I hadnt thought of a such a good way to
describe it), comfort building is not making the rest of the pickup BORING. Its just ADDING A DIMENSION, which in this case is
comfort. Yes, you drop the C&F stuff where you wont give her your real name or where youre shit testing the fuck out of her, but
you dont drop the charge of the interaction. Youre still cocky and youre still funny, youre just not being a fucking dick who would
be incongruent if he were to want her # and to meet up again. And of course youre adding the DIMENSION of comfort, so that she
can logically backwards rationalize the feelings that she has as a result of your C&F.
Kissing IS comfort building because the FOCUS of comfort building is you want the girl to feel comfortable seeing you again. If
youve had physical contact, then the girl understands that you have PHYSICAL COMPATIBILITY, so she doesnt have to feel nervous
about the first kiss when she meets again. Basically girls flake most often NOT because they arent attracted enough, but because
they just dont want the emotion of discomfort.
If youve ever #closed a superhottie who you didnt have the best rapport with, and felt nervous to call her, THIS is the feeling that
Im talking about. Except that GIRLS wont actually push through it, because they follow their emotions whereas guys are more
inclined to push through fear to get to the goalline.
So upping kino is great, but only in a way where its NON-PLAYER KINO.
***NON-PLAYER-KINO***
I dont know/care if thats a good term (probably not), but I just want to focus on it to distinguish fools mate get her horny enough
to leave kino, that the club makeout guys use, and the kino that actual cool trustworthy classy potential boyfriend type guys use.
I dont know fully how to explain the difference in text, but just using common sense.
So the program is she does something good, you escalate kino. For example, hold her hands. See if shes comfortable. KEEP REINITIATING this until shes comfortable.
Like keep trying to get her comfortable with one level, then disengage, then re-engage a level higher. Get her comfortable with
that, and continue.
Use freeze-outs to punish for unwillingness to get with the program. That means FAKING LOCKUP. Then when she re-initiates, try
again. Keep doing this progressively all the way to the lay, also using full takeaways and trying again later as a plan-B.
Anyway, alot of rambly content here, but hopefully something of use can be derived from it.

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CAVEMANNING, BODYLANGUAGE, AND PUA CYCLES

If any of you guys remember back to this time last year when I posted Operation Mayhem stuff, youll recall that I was huge on
cavemanning.
Actually I spent about a month or two straight learning how to walk up on girls I hadnt even spoken to, and start making out with
them and cavemanning them.
It was funny, and worked well on college. If you subcommunicate the right things (bodylanguage, tonality, and the reactions of
people around you), you can get away with this stuff no problem. Its funny shit.
Nowadays I have actually dropped caveman from my repetoire and find that its kind of amateur.
I think that its a cycle. Theres many cycles in PUA development, and here are a few:
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AFC: spineless emotional tampon, uses friendship as emotional blackmail in hopes to get some ass
RAFC: not afraid anymore to convey desires as a man, doesnt supplicate anymore
PUA: conveys active disinterest, tries to push girls away or even into the friendship zone

Funny, how (1)and (3) are so SIMILAR, and yet in (1) the girl RUNS from you and in (3) the girl the girl frantically CHASES you like
a desperate chick-AFC.
Likewise with routines, as CRAIGSD220 said when I was in San Diego:
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AFC: asks whats your name and tries to qualify himself in all his boring logical conversations
EARLYRAFC: uses routines as something better to talk about
LATERAFC: gets good at having great natural conversations, and the routines are now detectably canned
PUA: gets so good, that the routines are like NUCLEAR AMMO in the already super tight conversation

Anyway, the same went with cavemanning. It was direct, and was an improvement, but now I find that Im working to SURPASS
the best natural/confident PUAs in the venue, and hit my own level.
The cool guys in the club arent afraid to go for it, but the coolEST guys in the club have SO MUCH on their hands that they are
DISINTERESTED in anything short of the BEST. And even the snobbiest HB10 is always afraid that shes not the best, which is why
active disinterest and negs work.
For guys who believe that HB10s can pickup on this game and arent impressed by it, they havent seen a top PUA in action.
Active disinterest works for a variety of reasons, among which are that its a NATURAL mechanism that girls have to sexually validate
themselves at ALL TIMES.
For guys who have been indirect for a while, and had the girls begging to be with them, and went for rapport only to find the girls
RAN, this is the validation mechanism at work. In many cases, the SECOND the girl is sexually re-validated, you are BLOWN OUT.
Girls need to be sexual validation at all times, because on an emotional level they know that if they lost that, they would not
survive. (haa, not actually true, but its how they FEEL)
This is the SCREENING vs. CHASING mentality at work also. It changes the mental processes, same as in SALES.
Anyway, having laid that down, I want to write up a bit on cavemanning and powerful bodylanguage.
CAVEMANNING & KINO:
Something that I realized is really key in my game is that I give girls the opportunity to INITIATE kino, rather than being the one to
initiate it myself.
**KINO IS AN IOI
There are several reasons that people in the community adopted KINO as a tactic. Among them were studies which stated:

a sample group watching several photographs were asked to determine who was the alpha in each picture, and they always
picked the guy who was taking up the space of the other guy (like he was touching his shoulder or something). So KINO
conveys alphaness.
in a library, a clerk touched the hands of people one day as she would hand back their library cards, and on the day shed touch
people, a higher percentage of people would report back a pleasant interaction. So KINO generates good feelings.

Now to me there is a problem with this, as it correlates to MY PERSONAL game.

I cant speak for other guys game, but this is how it correlates to my style.
GIVING A GIRL KINO IS AN IOI.
When a girl touches you, you know that she somewhat wants you.
So when you touch a girl, you are coming off like you want her. The jig is up - she knows you want her. Again, this is a CERTAIN
TYPE of kino, not all types. Playful kino or pushing her away is not what Im talking about here. Also there are guys Ive met who
are just SO CONGRUENT with kino, that it does NOT come off as wanting something, and it works for them well. So again this is
why I say repeatedly that this is for MY PERSONAL style, and that this is the result that I get, while others may get a different
result.
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I remember when I first read the manuals on this board, and they said things like initiate kino.. or you ARE in kino, arent you
dumbass? and cool shit like that.
This helped me a LOT at first, because back then I was so pathetically beta that the IDEA of touching a woman that I wasnt dating
already was TERRIFYING.
I remember when I first started touching girls when Id talk to them, Id get a rush of excitement from it because I couldnt believe I
was getting away with it. Like Id brush a girls eyelash off her face, and I thought I was James Bond or something.
So this is something all new guys have to go through. Getting physically and sexually comfortable with themselves and other
people.
But at this point, Im realizing more and more that when you look around in a club, EVERY DUDE IN THERE IS GIVING KINO.
By giving a girl KINO, youre throwing yourself into the subcategory of guys who lean in and touch without the girl earning it. The
venue is filled up with drunken guys all over, and it can come across not as confident, but as BOLD (aka: drunk or just venuerelated-confidence)
That said, KINO is a HUGE part of my game. Particularly,
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caveman as a DECLOGGER
a reward for impressing me
kino PINGING (discussed in a recent post I wrote)
a playful C&F routine, like pushing her away or spins or high-5s or thumb wrestling
something I can use on the FAT OBSTACLES to keep them happy and ignore the target
escalation in LATE GAME and phase shifting
1)

CAVEMAN AS A DECLOGGER
In game, any error that you follow up with EMOTIONAL RELEVANCE is immediately forgiven. For example, if you approach,
that can be an IOI to the chick. But if you open well, youre in ANYWAY. Likewise, if she gets angry at you, but you
answer with something C&F, its forgiven. CAVEMAN is the SAME. For example, I may hold back KINO from a girl for a
LONG TIME. This causes her endorphins and chemicals to BUILD AND BUILD. REMEMBER that when you neg or tease a
girl, and she kinos you, *SHE IS TRYING TO FUCKING TOOL YOUR DUMB AFC ASS* Not only is she re-validated instantly if
you kino back.. Theres more to it. If you kino her back, the emotional chemicals that you shot through her get DISPLACED
and then feel normal again.
This is like when have sex or snuggle with a chick. You keep CHANGING POSITIONS and it feels more intense and better.
SAME as why we get bored of sex with the same chicks over and over. We cant get the emotions and chemicals from it
anymore, because we are DE-SENSITIZED. If you have sex with your girl 3 times a day for a week, you wont enjoy it as
much as if you dont see her for a week and then fuck her. Its all chemical shit.
So for girls, you see them touching eachother alot. They intuitively understand emotional reactions and they are
displacing eachothers emotions. Its all pretty ridiculous from our perspective, but to them it all makes perfect sense.
Remember that KINO has this context, and that there is alot being subcommunicated with the act of touching.
DE-CLOGGING WITH CAVEMAN. Say that a girl is in state, but you just CANT seem to escalate. She just isnt biting on
the active disinterest stuff. But at the same time, you KNOW that shes in state. What to do?
Solution - CAVEMAN HER ASS! :)
The reason is that if she has enough emotional chemicals built up in her, when you caveman her it will be the BEST feeling
of her entire life. She wont stop it, and then shell BACKWARDS RATIONALIZE that she wanted it.
Ive had girls I slept with tell me that when I forced them to kiss me, it was the most sexual thing that theyve ever had
done to them. haa, from an average looking 59 fucking EX-DWEEB.. NICE. But why? Because I played on her states
effectively.
So this is all buying temperature and escalation related. Cavemanning is something I use to DECLOG a pipeline that isnt
flowing properly. I ATTEMPT all other measures FIRST, but if it isnt working for me then I just go caveman, and progress
the pickup from there.
You see this in John Wayne movies, where the girl is freaking out, and he pins her to the wall and starts kissing her. She
struggles and struggles, and then lets go and just falls in love with him again and everything is FINE. haaa, those
motherfuckers KNEW how to interact with women on an emotional level back then, before the womens movement came in
and fucked us all up.
This isnt sexist either. Women LOVE guys who do this. It doesnt mean disrespect women. It means that sometimes
they want you to help them emotionally, and not annoy them with over-explanation that has no relevance to them. If the
chick HONESTLY still pushes for logic, then fine. But until shes made it CLEAR, I assume its emotional help that she wants,
from a guy who shes sexually involved with (aka: Im not her BUDDY)

2)

KINO AS A REWARD:
Now given that kino is also something that shoots her with a displacement of chemicals, I also will give her little shots as
rewards, to get her into Pavlovian conditioning mode.
This is PUNISHMENT/REWARD type stuff. If she does something that is obviously in attempt to impress me, I go OMG
and grab her hands. Watch as she looks like you just fed her a doggy-treat. Yeah, Im a bastard for this, but the chick

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really like it. Likewise, I use freeze-outs. Its all emotional related. Im just pumping them through states. Thats ALL I
care about. So if a girl tries to impress you, consider shooting her a little doggy treat (kino) as a reward. Dont let it linger
though. Then continue the pickup.
3)

KINO PINGING:
Kino pinging is also something that escalates. Its like little synching shots that you give eachother. You use it on
EMOTIONAL HIGH POINTS, and youll notice that girls look like theyre massively enfatuated with you when you do this.

4)

PLAYFUL KINO:
I use PLAYFUL KINO to reap the SAME REWARDS as standard kino, but without giving away that Im interested.
Playful kino conveys that youre sexually comfortable and confident to impose on other peoples personal space, but
WITHOUT giving the girl an undeniably concrete IOI.
So IMO, it sort of has the best of both worlds, and its also fun for girls and great in group sets.

5)

FAT OBSTACLES:
Sometimes I hug and kiss the peer group, to keep them entertained and in love with me. This is less common, but Ive
done it and its worked. nuff said.

6)

LATE GAME ESCALATION:

Girls take on average 4-7 hours to get to a lay-ready buying temperature.
At THIS POINT Im definetely using KINO to the max. Why? Because theyre READY FOR IT.

Thoughts on KINO:
For girls, getting KINOd by guys can feel really CREEPY.
Think to when a huge motherfucker touched you or grabbed you in the past, and he was so physically imposing that it kind of vexed
you out.
This is how it feels for girls with guys they dont trust yet. A huge physically imposing force, making them feel vulnerable.
Now at the same time, SOME GIRLS LOVE THIS. They GET OFF on this feeling. So use common sense and dont take everything in
this post dogmatically, because I havent had time to cover every angle.

POWERFUL BODYLANGUAGE:
To me, I think that the key word here is UNHESITANT.
Let me think of some examples from the top of my head.
AT A BAR:
GUY1: Sees girls up at the bar. He goes up and orders a drink. He sits there and looks over at them once or twice. Then he
opens.
GUY2: Sees girls up at the bar. Goes up on a good angle, doesnt lean in or face them too much, and opens. He FALSE-TIME
CONSTRAINTS and sits down, and continues the pickup. In the CONTINGENCY that there is no seat available, he KNOWS he cant
just stand there, so he kino-pings the hot girl with his hand (this is a trick, they NEVER decline a kino-ping if youre doing well), and
gets her to reach out his hand, then pulls her from her chair and sits on it and laughs at her playfully. He lets her sit on his lap
AFTER she qualifies herself to him.
AT THE COUCHES OR TABLE:
GUY1: Walks around thinking what to say. He leans down for the girls to hear him, and stands there talking in an uncomfortable
position.
GUY2: Walks up sideways like hes about to leave, opens. He then either ways for THEM to ask HIM a question, and THEN sits
down as if it was an invitation, OR he does a FALSE-TIME-CONSTRAINT, sits and continues gaming.
Notice that in ALL CASES, the FALSE TIME CONSTRAINT is what allows you to DISARM the emotion of is he going to stay
forever, and also gets them thinking of ways to make you STAY.
The key to powerful bodylanguage, IMO, not hesitating, and not being afraid to impose on peoples personal space, as long as its in
a tactful NON-BOLD way. (ie: not in a way that youre obviously TRYING too hard to be alpha, whe youre not). GIRLS DETECT PREMEDITATED APPROACHES A MILE AWAY. AVOID THIS B JUST LOOKING SPONTANEOUS, AND FALSE-TIME-CONTRAINING. USE
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RULE.

GETTING HER TO INITIATE KINO:

Girls LOVE seducing guys, and if you guys havent realized it yet, MOST sex that occurs is initiated by GIRLS.
Think back to all your AFC relationships. Usually the girl got interested in you, and then eventually after fumbling for long enough
you went out and things went from there.
Likewise in a club, the goodlooking guys roll in the club, girls giggle and get hyper around them, and it goes from there.
SEDUCTION IS MORE COMMONLY DONE BY WOMEN.
This is because they are more COMFORTABLE with that.
So the key is to leave yourself out as BAIT, and get them to SEDUCE YOU. That doesnt mean dont lead. What it means is to
ALTERNATE between getting her to game you as much as possible, and then leading her at times where its needed.
For me, I dont try to KINO girls into horniness early in the game. I try to
VERBALLY GAME them into EMOTIONAL AROUSAL, so that theyll try to kino ME, in order to re-displace all the emotions I gave
them.
I tease them and give them a LITTLE BIT of kino to keep them coming back for more, but mostly I just game them verbally.
Then, when it comes time to extract, I throw out my arm for THEM to take it.
KEY: Rather than grabbing a girls arm, just throw out yours for HER to take it. If shes at buying temperature, shell grab it like its
a kid grabbing a candy-bar.
Notice that you can use stuff like high-5s as KINO-PING-TESTS. If a girl is at high buying temperature, and you high-5 her, shell
practically EXPLODE trying to high-5 you. It will be like the most ridiculously enthusiastic high-5 of her life.
The same goes for just placing your hands out PALMS UP, and then waiting for her to put her hands on yours.
So for the punishment/reward stuff, rather than grabbing HER, I just throw out my hands palms up, and she grabs THEM. Then I
squeeze, and she squeezes back all GIDDY AS HELL. Then I let go, or decide to hold on, depending on her state.
In terms of powerful bodylanguage and LEADING, you game her verbally, get her totally emotionally aroused, and then throw out an
OPPORTUNITY for her to kino you. Its just like you initiating kino, but shes COMFORTABLE with this approach.
She will LOVE this.
It conveys that you wont make her uncomfortable at any point, and that you wont be like 99% of all other guys who are pushy and
break her state by escalating without testing the waters first.
Girls LOVE sex, but they want to feel comfortable.
This is one of the major reasons for flaking. Guys dont get buying temperature and escalation. So a girl kisses a guy in a club,
but doesnt want to meet up with him again the next day because she knows that hell LOGICALLY take the same physical-liberties
with her that he did the night before. Like, she LIKES the guy, but she feels worried that hell think that because they made-out on
the dance floor that hell try to make out with her the second he sees her, without escalating her emotional arousal first.
So in terms of leading, just game, wait for the signal of buying temperature (maybe her qualifying herself, often other shit also),
and then give a KINO-OP to her.
At the same time, this is in CONTRAST to caveman as a de-clogger. I may be planning to pull a girl from the club, and I jut out
my arm for her to take but she doesnt do it.
What do I do? Either I re-game a bit (if I think thats necessary), or I recognize it as something that wont be overcome with verbal
game, and I go CAVEMAN DRAG STYLE.
MANY girls NEED to be cavemanned out of a club. They NEED this logical de-clogging.
Still, primary modus operandi is game her, provide kino opportunity for her, and then lead and escalate.
GAME = social value, emotionally arouse, pass tests, trust, escalate, phase shift to sexual, close.

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ROUTINE THEORY
Routines/tactics have RANGES. There are certain levels of arousal that a routine works best at.
When internalizing a new peice, I "RANGE" it. That is my process.
I'll say to Papa, "I'm ranging x-routine".
First sarge, I try it at x-buying-temperature.
Second sarge, I'll try it at y-buying-temperature.
Third, another one.
I try it early, I try it late. I see after several sarges how soon and how late I can run it. Where is it ideally situated.
This is not a TIME variation, because it can take different girls different amounts of time to reach a buying temperature.
By doing this, I am reducing fielding time drastically. I get the same level of intuition on a peice of material that would take most
guys months to get, because I'm consciously testing it (aka "ranging" it).
How do I recognize something subtle like buying temperature level, though?
There's no way to readily verbally describe it. There is only...
....FIELD EXPERIENCE.
This is why I'm able to venue change girls so rapidly, remove them from alphamales, or extract them from their groups. I can
recogonize when they are at that level instantly, because I RANGED those acts, so I know immediately the second that they are
ready.
Like an oven timer going off..... "bing"
E.g. HB: you are lying to me
AFC: no, Im not... I wouldnt lie to you.. why am I lying to you? (notice that he accepts frame at end)
Level 1: Insecure Reaction
Result: HB senses insecurity and suspects you are Beta, possible Eject, or you will have to work to make up for it
Yes and not only that, but more importantly (IME) is that she shut down your game by forcing you into a logical frame instead of an
emotional one.
GAME = stimulating a girls emotions, thus disengaging logic, thus breaking dow her ability to stop you from escalating.
LOGIC = Anti-Game, thus she comes out of state
DEFENDING YOURSELF = Logic
Level 2: Overly Anti-supplicative Reaction
Result: HB Senses insecurity, suspects you are Beta or worse Psycho, possible Eject
Yes I noticed that also.
Girls fear betas and feel uncomfortable around them not because they are of lower status necessarily, but also because they know
that they take the interaction TOO SERIOUSLY.
Like, they'll go home and think about it and take it the wrong way and misinterpret everything to have deeper significance.
Girls are comfortable around alphas generally because they know that when you say "You're my new GF" its FUN, and that you'll
forget about her 5 minutes
later if nothing comes of it, anyway.
Level 3: NO Reaction Result:
HB senses indifference, Alpha quality, has NO impact on sarge
Again, to me its not exclusively about being alpha. It's that indifference doesn't give her the opportunity to shut your game down
with logic.
However it still IS about being alpha, in the sense that its about social value. Act like someone of social value (generally an "alpha"
anyway), and you'll subcommunicate/telegraph that you were worth seeing, and that she made a mistake by blowing you off.
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What most guys don't know (even on this board), is that girls are so ridiculously suseptible to the frames that you throw at them,
that you could distract them from virtually anything within seconds.
I can tell a girl "I'm running a pickup workshop. This is my student. Student-X, I'm going to make out with this girl within 3
minutes. She's locked up right now, as you can see by x,y,z. Give me 3 minutes. Then I'll blow her off, and go tongue down a few
more girls, to show you how its done."
The girl will say "WTF did you just say? Are you kidding me?"
I'll reply "hahhaa, I was just kidding.. hey get this (routine, mini-cold-read, future-adventures-projections, C&F-misinterpretations,
etc etc). Start doing playful pushaways, get her pushing towards me all close, triangular gazing and then push away, she comes
back, and TONGUEDOWN. Or I say "Student-X, watch how she's touching me when I make her emotional, to try to get me to touch
her back so that she can displace the endorphins I'm shooting into her, and bring herself out of state. I'll even tell her to stop
touching me, and she'll do it more and more. She won't be able to stop herself, its reflex." Again, RIGHT to the chick. She's like
"Dude, WTF did you say", and I'm like "Hey, pay attention. I said I want to adopt you.. You're going to be my new little.. OMG
you're so cute, I'm going to pack you in my suitcase and wrap you up in bubble wrap, so you'll be all squishy and cuddling, and I'm
going to bring you back to Los Angeles with me. We're going to go shopping, and I'll have you on my arm like this, and EVERY GIRL
IN THE PLACE will be JEALOUS of you.." She's like "OMG that's so awesome! I love you so much! blah blah" and starts touching me
instantly. I say "Hey, you're my little sister.. Hands off the merchandise, that's 30 bucks reduced rates for little sisters", and she
touches me more and more.
Then I laugh at her and stop the pickup and blatantly remind her that I just told her I what I was about to do it. She's like
"AAAAAAAAH!! WTF ARE YOU DOING TO ME???"
It's all frame setting. You can PLOW girls' frames so easily.
Not talking is another way to do this.
You just IGNORE what she said, and then its "Follow the shiny thing girls.. Look, its a shiny thing!.. Follow it!" She instantly falls out
of her frame and into yours. It all makes sense, because her emotions are saying "This is good". Her logic is DISENGAGED enough
to ignore what's previously given her a bad emotion, in exchange for the more pleasant one (or in reality, to be more specific, the
new attachment that you've given the emotion, since really love and hate are similar chemical reactions, but she tags it differently)
Often, in deep comfort building, I'll have girls on my lap or leaning back on me or in close, and they'll say some shit like "You're too
good at this.. You do this to girls all the time, don't you?"
I just don't answer. I look at them, and don't answer. Then I ease my forehead to her head, and she reciprocates, and
tonguedown.
Boom, shit test passed.
As you said, you don't even have to answer. You can IGNORE a shit-test, and if your frame is stronger, she'll forget that she even
said it.
The PUA just pretends the HB didnt shit test him, doesnt say anything / do anything. This is nice, because it is EASY to do. IMHO I
passed a lot of shit tests in my first year of PU, just because I
Level 4: Skillful Shit Test Passing
Result: HB gets more attracted and Sarge PROGRESSES
Result: She is unable to shut your game down, and use logic to put the breaks on her state of emotional arousal (which she tends
to do just prior to hitting a higher buying temperature).
OPENING/ ATTRACTION
- Agreement and C&F response e.g. Yeah, why is it that little powerpuffs like you like that so much?
- Emotion pump e.g. Tickle her, hit her,
- Agreement and emotion pump e.g. Yeah oh but baby I loooooveee you sooo much.
RAPPORT
- Aggressive reframe of shit test under your frame
- Freeze-out
SEDUCTION and POST LAY
- Cavemaning
- Freeze-out
- Aggressive reframe of shit test under your frame
Good summary.
Also, I've noticed that cavemanning is typically useful to escalate a sarge ONLY in certain cases.
For example, I've done entire sarges start to lay doing ONLY caveman. This is typical for girls of low social value, like girls over 30,
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However, in other cases, I'll use caveman very strategically. For example, I'll only use it if I know that what I'll FOLLOW UP the
cavemanning with is emotionally arousing enough to make her FORGET that I cavemanned her.
Like with LMR, when she's back at your house but won't kiss. So you grab her hair back and FORCE it on her. You KNOW that with
5-6 hours that you've been pushing her through emotional states already, that the physical displacement of endorphins that the kiss
will cause, will definetely have such a strong effect on her that she'll ignore that you cavemanned her.
KEY TO ESCALATION = EMOTIONS. If you escalate, and make her laugh, she'll let you. If you escalate, and make her feel really
good, she'll let you.
The emotions that followed up the logical VIOLATION (ie: Why did this guy sit down at my table? Why is this guy pulling my arm
out of the club? Why is this guy I just met shoving his hand down my pants?), must be powerful enough to disarm the logic.
You sit down and she wonders "WTF', but say something insanely funny, and she thinks 'I want him to stay'. You start to finger her,
she says no, but as she's saying it it feels so good that she says to keep going.
All the way, she's backwards rationalizing.
Formula = follow up something that telegraphs interest with something emotional.
DISARM RESISTANCE TO ESCALATION WITH EMOTION.

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NEW ROUTINES (BREAKDOWN AND BUILDING)

Routines are SO important, IMO.
Good routines are integral to PUing groups of chicks. Anybody who tells me that they are pulling HB8+ chicks from groups without
decent routines/gimmicks/games, I have to admit I am skeptical of (with exceptions, naturally).
Routines have to have:

A HOOK

BUILD CURIOUSITY/INTRUIGUE

SOCIAL DYNAMICS / UNKNOWN

CONVEY PERSONALITY (or provide something to hold her attention in between personality conveying routines)

ENGAGE HER
-(there are more elements, but lets keep it simple.. if someone wants to mention another key element, go ahead)
Lets break down the spells routine from the old www.mysterymethod.com site:
DO YOU THINK SPELLS WORK?
**the hook.. gets interest
MY FRIEND, HES ALWAYS FINDING REASONS TO BREAK UP WITH GIRLS.. YOU KNOW, LIKE SEINFELD BLAH BLAH..
**social dynamics..
HE GETS THIS NEW GIRLFRIEND.. THEYRE WATCHING A MOVIE ON THE COUCH, AND THEY KISS.. BUT HE DUMPS HER
**relationships/social dynamics
THE NEXT DAY, HE FINDS THIS THING UNDER THE COUCH
**intrigue buildup
ITS LIKE A SWEDE SATCHEL, WITH PARSLEY TYPE STUFF INSIDE, AND A FEATHER WRAPPED AROUND IT, TIED TOGETHER BY A
LEATHER STRING.. AND ALL THIS WAX DRIPPED ALL OVER IT
**the unknown, intrigue
SO ANYWAY, A FEW DAYS LATER, WERE AT THE INCENTS STORE, BUYING INCENTS FOR MY LITTLE SISTER.. AND MY FRIEND
ASKS THE GUY, WHAT IS THIS
**personality conveyance I have a little sister, Im safe
HE CALLS OUT THE OTHER WORKER, AND HES THIS CRAZY LOOKING GUY.. YOU KNOW, BALD HEAD, GOATEE, ALL THAT..
**intrigue, suspense
HE SAYS LOVESPELL .... LIKE ITS NOTHING YOU KNOW.. JUST LOVESPELL ALL CASUAL
**intrigue, humour
ANYWAY, WE TAKE OFF.. BUT NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I HAVENT SEEN MY FRIEND IN MONTHS.. HES ALL WITH THIS GIRL LIKE
24/7..
**social dynamics, gets them thinking of passionate relationships blah blah
SO THE QUESTION IS: WAS IT THE SPELL, OR WAS IT PSYCHOLOGICAL???
**engages them (this is most extremely important)

NOW, this week I want to come up with more routines. I promise that as soon as
I get time, I WILL.
Tonight on the chat board, I asked resident mASF madster WHAM to spew any random ramblings to see if we could get some RAW
material for new routines. (btw, a great place to look for raw material would be in The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, or
Nancy Friday, and I heard the Ripleys believe it or not site but I havent checked it)
Here are some WACK things that he said.. we could build off of these. Wham, if you are reading, go ahead and post more.
If youre replying to the thread, post anything even if you feel that it is STUPID, and I will build off of it and tighten it by this
weekend (Im pretty busy until then, but may prior to that if I have time).

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Here are some that I took from the conversations with various guys.
***collegedrunkgirls.com
(we could use this either in a C&F way, or better yet, in a ROUTINE that has the elements discussed above.. like a story, etc etc)
***colours
(how colours engage the senses.. this could be similar to the how close is such and such to your heart.. point routine that CBull
and Style were posting about.. it doesnt need props, but you could use them.. it could also be a GAME.. also one of my PHD buddies
does Philosophy of Colour, which apparently is very fascinating.. I will look into this, to see if anything interesting is in that.. I dunno
if Spirit, or FinalD, or Commander Zap and other resident genius are familiar with Philosophy of Colour, but its some kind of
cognitive philosophy of the mind thing, that is very esoteric)
***bodylanguage
(similar to Koopers guess the dancemove game.. but we could build off of this)
Here are WHAMs mad ramblings - very weird (I told him to go nuts and say the first things that came into his head), but may
stimulate the imagination:
***I found a frog in the park today
I tried to catch it but it kept slipping around
When I finally caught it, I gave it a kiss
and it didnt turn into a princess
if I kiss a princess, will it turn into a frog?
(C&F style, needs alot of change I think)
***I saw a bird
I thought it was a dodo bird
a plane hit it
it fell on this hot chick
the hot chick was a shemale
she offered it to my friend
to share it for lunch
(weird, but the idea of it has the necessary elements.. needs a total overhaul,
way too fucked up, but spurs your mind to think of other possibilities)
***why do cats always land on their feet
notice that toast always sounds butterside up
so if you strap a cat onto a slice of toast, and throw it off the roof, what
side does it land on
(maybe too corny, Im not sure.. but the IDEA of connecting TWO things to throw her can make a routine)
***curveballs are so hard to catch, thats why i play pool
ive gotten hit in the face with a poolball though
(not sure about this one)
***want to buy my baby?
its soft and sweet and tenderly unique
they buy healthy babies for upwards of $500,000 a piece
but only from the best looking parents
i have a plan to make you a millionaire
so if we collaborate
this is NOT A SCAM
(OK, the start of this is too fucking weird, but the THIS IS NOT A SCAM
punchline said with TOTALLY funny C&F tonality could totally crack her up..
More experienced PUAs could transition this no prob, GM style, but Im not sure
if everyone here could or not.. Id recommend taking off the first two lines)

Anyway, we need RAW fuel for NEW routines.. We want fucking CLASSICS, and I
will FIELD TEST them if I like them, and report back.

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HABITS LEAD TO ROUTINE GENERATION

for me, the majority of my routines were invented on the spot improv - IN FIELD just by chatting chicks, and they gave a great
reaction to something that I said..
so picture it like this: Im about to start sarging, and Ill say to my wingman (Eddy, Twentysix, Papa, Superslicka, No9, Mystery, etc
etc) dude, what fun shit has happened in the last few days?, and then start running through my mind what Ive been up to in the
past few days or how Im feeling about anything in particular.. then Ill think what funny or cocky things have I heard lately?
Ill just think about that for a minute or two, and then start sarging..
just talk about whats on your mind, that fits in a category of stuff that will hit girls on an emotional level:

C&F/jerk routines make chicks go oh! JERK! Hes so hot!

puppydog routines make chicks go aaaawww.. hes so cute!

intrigue routines get intrigue

gimmicks/magic/games get attention, build higher value

don juanish routines make chicks feel romanced

rapport based routines make chicks feel comfortable and trusting around you
(very important)
So you just sprinkle them in as your intuition/experience tells you that theyre needed, like youre boiling a stew.
These routines are sprinkled in AS NEEDED, IF and ONLY IF theyre needed.. if you can PU off of pure rapport and GWM-phase
shifting, then this stuff will overqualify you.
MANY chicks will view you as having higher value, just because you approached confidently and didnt appear to be trying too hard.
If she already likes you right off the approach, and you proceed to manipulate her emotions too competently, shell assume Player,
and even though shell be wetter than wet, she still wont go for the close.
Ive even had girls blurt out Im not going to sleep with you!!! out of NOWHERE, just because I was pumping them through states
so fast, that they cant think straight.
Ill get chicks who remember me by name months after 2 minutes of flirting where I wasnt even sarging. The other day, my buddy
was in the movie store and heard these chicks I flirted with for 5 minutes in the St. Laurent mall two weeks ago saying remember
that TylerDurden guy from last week, with the tall boots.. OMG that guy was sooo hot.. oh I wish hed come back.. and by my
recollection, these were girls who started giggling and turned away from me, when I was flirting with them.. The reason being that I
was TOO FAST at putting them in state, so I snapped the line by reeling it in too fast and they couldnt take it. Even though it was
validating to hear that, I still left with D.I.H (dick in hand)..
So what youll get are girls who LOVE you, but wont let you close, because they KNOW that youre too good to be genuine. They
know that youre FAKE, or at least that you have laid so many chicks that they wouldnt feel special.
Of course with PARTY CHICKS this is FANTASTIC and they LOVE/APPRECIATE a guy who will do this, and use them and throw them
to the side of the road, but the majority of chicks I want arent party chicks.
Also, a big thing for me is that the SECOND I see or hear something funny, I walk over to the nearest chick and try saying it to her.
Like with the C&F lines from movie Shanghai Knights post.. I saw the movie, and internalized the lines immediately.. I do this all
the time.
Im not a routines based PUA, but I have a set response to EVERY situation that I could ever be in. Whatever the girls say, I have a
better answer. If they say are you well off financially? I say yeah I am.. but I wont be for long, because my penis reduction
surgery is going to clean me out.. (MadDash).. if they say whats your name I say guess.. Brad Pitt.. Im just trapped in an ugly
guys body.. Im trying to bust out of it..
If I dont have a better answer, I immediately say WTF?, and go straight to my wingmen or ASF to ask what I could have said that
was better.. Thats rare nowadays though, because I understand the STRUCTURE of a good/better answer, and I can make it up on
the spot.
So Ill have set stuff that I know will get chicks to isolate themselves, or to make them not flake, or to pass shit tests.. WHATEVER.
Ill also have routines for all of the above criteria.. but these change practically every other week.. I get sick of routines after around
a couple weeks of use, and the new stuff from my life starts getting incorporated.
Have you read any of Jugglers Archive at all?
He talks about MAKING STATEMENTS and getting rapport. This, and GUNWITCH METHOD are basically the CORE of your sarge.
Routines and C&F are just to gain initial attraction or acceptance from a group.. or to elicit a desired emotional response from a
sarge that isnt as warm as youd like.
The only reason that I post alot of routines and C&F is because its something that Im very good at, and because GWM and Juggler
have already discussed the more important stuff at LENGTH, so it wouldnt be new material for me to post that Im doing the same
stuff as they are (I dont want the board to keep going in circles, so I usually just post stuff that is new)
But sometimes I wonder if it leaves the impression that phase shift and rapport are not the most important parts of the sarge, when
really they are.
hmmm.. I dunno. Anyway theres an archive of all of my old posts under www.fastseduction.com/archives (click gzip archives).. so
you can find all of it in there..

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Just remember though, that you can make up TONS of new routines every day that youre in field, just by thinking about your life,
and extracting the events/thoughts/convotopics that would get a desired emotional response from a chick.

ROUTINE / OPENER CURVE

THE ROUTINE/OPENER CURVE:
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23-

You try a brand new routine or opener. It falls flat. Then you TIGHTEN it by using it on TWENTY different girls. It tightens and
tightens, until it is TIGHT. Now you have a tight routine to use in a sarge. To get the desired reaction from a routine typically
takes me between five and thirty botched sarges (now that Im better, I can afford fuckups and still hold the sarge, but in the
past Id typically lose it). Then after x-number of lost sarges, the routine is now tight.
The routines fall FLAT. Youve used it SO MANY TIMES that you literally CANT STAND THE SOUND OF YOUR OWN VOICE
USING THE ROUTINE, and you feel like an idiot using it. You get sick of the same stupid assed responses, and dont look
enthusiastic by them anymore. You come off incongruent or fake or whatever, and your routine fucks up your sarges.
You DROP the routine, and you CHANGE back to OLD routines that you havent used for a few months, and then all of a sudden
they are working AWESOME. Better than even when you had originally used them, because you have both the mastered
DELIVERY and the renewed ENTHUSIASM. You use these until you begin to find them boring again, and then you revert BACK
to the routines you DROPPED.

5-20 uses: shit

20-300 uses: very tight
300+ uses: goes to crap, due to utter lack of enthusiasm
SWITCH TO OLD ROUTINES:
300-600: very tight
600+: goes to crap
SWITCH BACK TO ROUTINES YOU DROPPED:
300-600: very tight
600+: youre sick of them again
SWITCH BACK ROUTINES YET AGAIN:
900-1100: very tight again
1100+: crap again
etc etc etc etc etc.........
Also, you learn NEW routines that are posted HERE, and then sometimes just drop going back to your old ones. But if you dont
have enough of a new stock that youre ENTHUSIASTIC for, you just go back to old ones and theyre AS GOOD AS NEW.
KEY here is that when you go back to old material that you thought sucked and your new shit was better, you find that the old stuff
WAS good, since you now have a RENEWED ENTHUSIASM for it.
And yes, for keyboard jockeys this will all seem very weird. Holy shit, how many sarges does this guy do???
For guys in field, this should be a very recognizable phenomenon that theyve experienced.

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THE ROUTINE CURVE IN PUA DEVELOPMENT

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As a newbie, routines help you tremendously. You have no clue what to say to a woman, so you can use routines as a crutch.
Now you can at least say SOMETHING, and know that if she responds poorly that its your bodylanguage and tonality, NOT the
words since they were field tested by others.
As an intermediate, routines fuck you up. Why? Because you now know the STRUCTURE of what holds a womans or groups
attention, and youre running along with a GREAT convo, and then you bust in this routine that seems overly STRAINED and
OUT OF PLACE. Youre relying on the OUTCOME of that particular routine, when in fact you didnt even need it.
As a PUA, routines now HELP you again. Why? Because youre so tight that you dont make fuckups like coming off poorly
(very often hopefully), and the routines are designed to get you to way-points in the sarge (elicit certain reactions or states).

LINES FOR LOCKEDUP CHICKS

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are you like this with everybody, or just people cooler than you?
whoa.. you guys are like the mean cool kids from high school.
OK I guess that names are out of the question.. alright, Ill call you #1 and you #2.. #2, please tell #1 that she has a white
thingy sticking out of her ear, and that nobody is going to talk to her tonight because its really nasty.. #1, please tell #2 that
there is a charm school opening on x-street, and that she qualifies for instant admission.
whoa.. you guys are like unapproachable total A-Crowd..
you guys are fake.. this isnt genuine.. youre just acting like this because its club time.. I dont think that you treat people like
this during the day.. this fake.. be genuine.

For guys who fear rejection, or guys who just want a good comeback:
PUA: hey guys.. get this..
HBS: get lost! (or turn their backs on you or whatever)
PUA: Oh my god.. you guys are so cute! Youre just like those evil cool kids in those eighties popularity movies! Hey there goes
Molly Ringwald! Im gonna go catch up with her guys.. Nice meeting you!
(make it look uncanned, like you just thought of it right then and there.. also dont look emotionally affected by it.. re-game them
by merging groups once you have better social proof)

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THE ANOMOLY EFFECT

More no-sleep ramblings from TylerDurden.. even more abstract now, so probably incomprehensible (will review this tommorow
morning)..
THE ANOMOLY EFFECT: The effect which is the result of taking SPECIFIC STRATEGIES into the field, that are not genuinely part of
your personality, and implementing them WITHOUT implementing the NATURAL elements that someone who NATURALLY used them
would have.

A QUICK ANALOGY:
In Australia, when bunny rabbits were let loose, they covered the entire country-side because there were no NATURAL PREDATORS.
This is because a FOREIGN element was introduced, and there were no NATURAL CHECKS to deal with it (IOW, there were no rabbit
predators to eat the little bunny rabbits and keep their population in check)
Using modern cropping techniques based in genetic engineering, modern farmers can run the SAME crop 3 times per year, instead
of different crops each trimester as is the natural way. As a result, BUGS INFILTRATE. Since there is the SAME PLANT growing ALL
YEAR, they can multiply more effectively than if a different plant was introduced every 4 months. So their ideal habitat is always
there, and they can just multiply and multiply.
THESE ARE ANOMOLIES THAT ARE THE RESULT OF NON-NATURAL INTRODUCTION OF VARIOUS
ELEMENTS.

HOW THIS RELATES TO PICKUP:

When you intentionally learn a new technique, you might be inclined to implement it in an EXAGGERATED fashion.
1)

An example of this is COCKY/FUNNY. C&F is designed to attract girls, but does little to gain rapport in many cases.
THE RESULT: A pure C&F sarge will yield you a chick that will fuck you RIGHT THERE, but wont return your friggin phone calls
a day later. Actually fuck that.. a MINUTE later.. (the other night, using a PURE C&F sarge (because of a time-constraint), 26
and I had girls walking out of the club, and they were TOTALLY into the idea - arm-in-arm with us all smiling and saying they
wanted to, but then FLAKED on the insta-date just cause we left for ONE MINUTE to handle coat check)
Recall my sarge of the chick with her date from late December. I did PURE C&F, and she wanted to bang me in the BATHROOM
while her date was sitting in the other end of the club. She was THAT HORNY, even though I did NOTHING but C&F ballbusting
for 15 minutes.
Then, later on when we got in touch, she FLAKED. (this may also be because I made her take me skiing, but who knows). This
is a VERY COMMON result of a pure C&F sarge. The SECOND you leave, she comes out of state, and BOOM, no interest in
pursuing the guy who she just made out with within 5 minutes of meeting.

2)

MYSTERY METHOD: You learn to become LARGER THAN LIFE.. You learn to project MYSTERY and INTRIGUE.. If youre doing
MM properly, you have people flocking around you, and everyone is wondering WHO IS THIS GUY???
As a result, the chick will become massively intrigued with you.. But VERY OFTEN, you get cases where you try to #close the
chick, and shell do ABSOLUTELY BIZARRE SHIT..
An example was when Mystery sarged this stripper, and he tries to #close. She declines, and starts CRYING.. LITERALLY
CRYING.. she doesnt want him to leave.. dont leave.. please dont leave.. Im sooo confused..
He puts his hat on her head, and she starts saying that she feels the room spinning.
She keeps hovering around him, crying, and giving all these IOIs LEFT AND RIGHT.. she is SO INTO HIM its RIDICULOUS, but
wont let him #close her.. im so confused.. Im so confused.. Ive never met anyone like you.. (all this while she is hugging
him and begging him not to leave and shit.. it was VERY sexual, but she wouldnt let him close)
Having done alot of work to improve my MM, Im actually starting to get results like this on odd occassions.. Ill sarge a chick,
and shell decline further contact. Shell let me kiss her, and all that shit, but she FREAKS OUT when I try to #close her.. She is
thinking WHY ME??? WHY ME???
I sarged this hottie waitress in front of Paps and Dreamweaver, and she declines my invite to be my new girlfriend.. but yet
she keeps coming back to the table AGAIN and AGAIN.. she begs me to chat her after my dinner, and wont leave me alone..
but yet, she WILL NOT see me again.. she is FREAKED OUT, but will still KISS ME and do ANYTHIGN I WANT.. I bet I could have
nailed her right at her work, but yet she is so freaked out that she just cant figure out what is going on..

These are ANOMOLIES of MODELLING a particular element of a successful PUAs style.

1)
2)

A natural C&F type guy would be likely to also have rapport building skills and such.. so he wouldnt have the problem of instaflake once the chick comes out of state.
A genuine celebrity might also have certain rapport building skills..

But when we EMULATE stuff like DYD and MM, we dont NATURALLY include the RAPPORT BUILDING, and we LOSE THE
CONNECTION.

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The ANSWER then is to backtrack and BUILD RAPPORT with chicks, once you have successfully attracted them using DYD or MM
tactics.
The ANSWER is to REWIND and get a GENUINE CONNECTION with the chick, once youve attracted her using your techniques. Get
a GENUINE connection that you GENUINELY FEEL, and shell want to see you again because youre FRIENDS. (unless shes a party
girl, who wont date most guys anyway since she just wants ONS, so just give her what she wants if youre into that)
Otherwise, you suffer from BIZARRE ANOMOLIES, where chicks WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU, but give you WEIRD resistance
down the line.
Its a result of emulating PARTS, but not ALL of a particular successful approach. Anomolies.

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HIGH DRAMA STATE CHANGES

I was hanging with Style (aka CPowles) last weekend, bitching about how girls can change state so quickly.
One thing that he said that really stood out to me was:
Most girls that we game are totally into us within seconds. At the same time,
they can totally hate us for saying one wrong thing. But if we accept that
they love us within seconds, we have to accept that they can hate us with the
same degree of extremity.
(paraphrased)
Thats the thing. You can be gaming a girl, and out of nowhere she just starts
disliking you.
I remember back last week, I had something really deflating happen to me. This really got to me. I actually wrote a long post
about it on my school computer, but it was deleted due to a technical problem.
Sickboy007 and I gamed up these two fun girls a few weeks back, while he was up visiting with me in Kingston (at the campus
club). Nothing really came of it, but they thought we were cool. I see them again and they open me. I chat up my blondie (who
looks like Trista from The Bachelorette), and shes really into me. Its really on. Like REALLY on. She loves me. Like its not that
C&F type attraction, where she swats you and giggles. Its like full doggy dinner bowl look, where shes thinking about having your
children.
So Im about 2-3 hours into the set at this point, on top of the 45 minutes Id run with SB007. Its starting to hit into midgame at
this point, and Im just comfort building. The kino is really reciprocal, and its really great. Im really liking her, because whenever a
girl really likes me not just as a C&F guy, but as a person, I have a real soft spot for it.
I say to her, You know what.. You make me feel really good.. I want to make you feel like that also.. Im going to treat you like a
princess. Shes like Really? OMG, thats so awesome.. I really want to see you again.. I say Yeah.. Im definetely going to.. I
know you dont deserve it, but Ill do it anyway..
This was supposed to be tongue and cheek. A fucking JOKE. Its a field tested joke at that, that I use all the time in order to diffuse
girls who realize that they really dont deserve it, but figure that since they make me feel good that Ill do the same in spite of their
LSE, etc etc.
But this girl freaks. Shes like What?? You think Im a SLUT??? and she loses state. Its OVER.
I try joking with her, and running all my turn-around material. I have piles of this stuff that Ill use. Everything from Styles stuff
with the whole I grew up with sisters and we tease eachother as a sign of affection, to C&F stuff, to sincere apology which Ill
sometimes use if Im deep into rapport.
Nope. Nada. Nothing.
She hates me now. Fucking hates me. Does it matter that shes hung out with me and were having a great time for the last few
hours? Nope.
Girls are like cats. You pet them for hours and they love you. But you pat them the wrong way ONE TIME and give them one bad
emotion, and they jump off your lap and dont come back, and totally forget about how good you were making eachother feel for the
hour before. (This is another pretty decent playful routine Ill run, btw, when girls get mad at me, which I start with Ooops.. Shit,
I just generated a bad emotion in you, didnt I?)
Style told me that he had a similar reaction when he was on a date with a girl from the personals (he did a personal adds
experiment, apparently), and he used a false time constraint. False time constraints are useful even on dates, because they reduce
pressure.
But this girl, out of nowhere, says I cant be with you. Youre too social. I dont go out and meet up with friends everynight like
you do. IE, he has just overqualified himself, only by using a false time constraint. And boom, she doesnt like him anymore, even
though she was loving him up to that point.
We were joking around also, at how funny it is that both of us lost both of these girls by using stuff that wasnt even TRUE. haa,
what a good add just to be yourself! But really these things have gotten us in so many times, thats not a good way to look at it.
Still, its pretty ironic.
Ive also had girls realize out of the blue that theyre not qualified, based on the most ridiculous shit. Like I was 5 hours in with a
girl that I extracted from a club, on a night that I was dressed fairly generic. She was about a 7.5 (decently hot, not outstanding),
and she was really cool. At the same time though, she wasnt that confident with herself, and I could tell. So were snuggling
together in the restaurant, and she notices the boots Im wearing. Shes like Wow, those are intense.. Can I see? She pulls up
the legs of my jeans and sees that Im wearing my rockstar boots. Out of nowhere, she says You really have alot of confidence to
wear those. You really get alot of girls I bet. Why are you even hanging with me? My life is boring.
BOOM! GAME OVER! She says she has to go, and starts THROWING money at me to get rid of me. She gives me like almost 100$
worth of restaurant and cab fare, and takes off. She wont return my calls or see me again.
And this girl had been making plans with me about how she wants me to take her skiing, and how this is the first real connection
shes felt in a long time, etc etc. This is deep in, with a good amount of comfort/rapport/tonguedown, etc etc.
Again, we go back to the high drama intense state changes. Her brain is in a highly active processing state, where shes rapidly
computing Is this guy the goods or not?
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I mean this shit HURTS, yo!
Like I actually get my feelings hurt from this.. :)
Im kind of laughing while I type this, but its actually TRUE!
Ill be in 6-7 hours with some of these girls, and I feel like theyre kind of my friends. And then out of nowhere, one wrong move,
and POOF, BYE BYE..
The reason, of course, is that Im effectively flipping the switches of these girls at such a high speed.
This is something that alot of people dont understand about pickup. There are specific switches that you have to flip in a girl before
shell sleep with you. Most guys take weeks or months to flip these switches. I can do it in about 7 hours.
So these girls are in high drama, high state, high emotions. And one wrong move and Im TOAST!
Some of the ways I deal with it, Ive listed above. Styles teasing as affection bit. The girls are like cats playful joking. Also, Ill
often just befriend the peergroup and hang with them for a while, until she cools off. At that point, Ill just continue the pickup like
nothing happened. Likewise, a sincere apology followed by some hilarious C&F can work.
The thing is, sometimes these things dont work because her brain picks up on the pattern that youre being playful as a supplicative
thing. Like the girl all of a sudden can just tell that youre being playful because youre trying to manipulate her emotions. And at
that point, shes usually shut down for good.
Also, going back to RJ speed seduction type stuff, sometimes Ill key into something that is a real emotional anchour to her, and Ill
just bring it up out of nowhere, and shell melt.
Really I have no perfect solution for this, but wanted to post about it because its something thats interested me lately.

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DISSECTING SHIT TEST PASSING MEASURES

OK some guys still arent getting this, so a little bit of review.
The term shit test is a blanket term for several things that can happen.
As far as I know, they all revolve around the chick trying to break her own state. Im not sure if its subconscious or intentional, or if
they consciousless try to cause trouble because something on a biological/subconscious level compels them to do so (same way that
were compelled to PU and close chicks).
Some people theorize that its a way of constantly testing the male to see if hes alpha, or something to that effect.
Anyway, the point is that the ONLY ways to pass a shit test are to PREVENT her from breaking her own state.
During the course of the pickup and relationship, the chick will try to RESIST by intentionally breaking HER OWN STATE. Its almost
hard to believe that they even enjoy sex as much as us, when they do shit like this.. But really, they just dont want to get sexed by
losers, so I dont blame them.
OK, so all ways to pass a shit test revolve around the same thing: PREVENTING THE CHICK FROM BREAKING HER OWN STATE.
So lets look back at my old post on this, just in case you guys cant remember it. If you remember it, then skip down to the next
section:
Options: How to pass a shit test

1)

2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)

DYD Style: The answer she wants, followed by something sarcastic. HB: Where were you last night, PUA: At home all night
thinking about you........... but then I got bored and called over 10 strippers.... this way is VERY consistent, because it plays
on her EMOTIONS. It DISARMS her anger initially - with the answer she wants, but SAVES you from being a bitch by following
with sarcasm.
50s movie style (like in John Wayne films): FUCK HER RIGHT THERE _H_A_R_D_, or kiss her etc.. VERY effective method.
Imitate her tonality, facial animations, and bodylanguage. HB:
Where-were-you-last-night, PUA: With-my-other-girl-friend-last-night (good to follow with a kiss right there)
Withdraw: If its THAT BAD of an infraction, just withdraw. This can convey that you have other GFs or can at least get them. ie:
Although I LIKE you, I dont need you, and you are replacable.
Push her through more states: Just ignore the comment, and bust out some ASF stuff (patterns, stories, etc) to put her into the
state you want her in.
Utter sarcasm: Stick your tongue out at her, and go pppffftttt... and start tickling her.... etc
NOT A GOOD WAY: Hit her. I would personally NEVER hit a chick for ANY reason, but I am posting this for TECHNICALITY, on
the account that I am trying to push a certain point. (and unfortunately, yes, certain girls -often LSE-stay with guys who hit
them, and it works to pass the shit test.. very sad phenomenon)

Notice that all of these ways DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE her shit test directly.
They just play on her EMOTIONS.
DIRECTLY answering a shit test will FAIL YOU EVERY TIME. A direct answer pisses her off MORE, whether she realizes it or not.

OK now to the meat of this post.

When the chicks SHIT TEST you, you can only pass it by preventing them from breaking their own state.
They do this shit to me ALL THE TIME. They TRY SO HARD to break their state, so that they can resist your advances.
Theyll do shit like:

are you a player?

I bet youve done this with hundreds of girls
where were you last night?
is that your pickupline??? do you plan this??? -or- did you bring that notepad just for this gimmick to PU girls??
youre funny -or- youre so confident (tough to field cause you cant tell if theyre serious or possibly questioning your
intentions)
Were going to have sex (when chicks go GM on you, ANY variation.. youre hot etc)
Were NOT going to have sex
Im fat
What do you do for a living?
How old are you?
Youre too young
Whats your sign?
What are you taking at school?

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Dont blame the dog/kid/whatever

blah blah blah (chick talks TOO MUCH, and you are supplicating by listening)

Alright, so lets break these down.. Some of these I remember learning from CPowles and others:
ST: are you a pleyer
WHY: Shes trying to make you EXPLAIN yourself, which she KNOWS will aggrevate her - as ALL logical answers do - so she can put
up more LMR.
A1: dont hate the player, hate the game
A2: what is it about players that turn you on so much?
A3: yeah, I play sport
A4: players play with peoples emotions and isnt genuine (turn it around on her so that shes accusing you of faking your whole
interaction, to make her feel bad)
EFFECT: A1 is funny, gets her laughing and breaks upset state. A2 is cocky and turns her on. A3 highlights the stupidity of the
question. A4 puts down the problems of the chick who is maybe really shy, and is seriously scared (librians archetypes, etc)
ST: I bet youve done this with hundreds of girls
WHY: Same reason as above.
A: Ive done it with thousands
EFFECT: Shows cockiness, turns her on more. Shows her that you wont bend to her shit tests.
ST: where were you last night?
WHY: She is trying to work
A1: I stayed at home thinking about you.. But then I got bored and hired 10
strippers
A2: chillin with your sister
EFFECT: A1 is a BEAUTIFUL way of fielding shit tests. It plays her emotions, because what it does is gives her the answer she
WANTS which calms her down, and a COCKY/FUNNY answer to make her get turned on and laughing BEFORE she can realize that
what you were saying was bullshit. A2 shows her you wont take her shit, C&F, turns her on.
ST: is that your pickupline??? do you plan this??? -or- did you bring that notepad just for this gimmick to PU girls??
WHY: She is trying to block you from picking her up, testing your wit. A: yeah, and I even planned to meet a girl with (x-neg that
was said EARLIER on in the sarge) (yeah, I even planned to meet a powerpuff girl tonight / yeah, I even planned to meet a girl with
stuff in her teeth tonight / yeah I even planned to meet a girl with cute bunny rabbit teeth tonight / yeah I even planned to meet a
girl with lint on her shirt tonight.... etc etc etc WHICHEVER neg you used)
EFFECT: Shows her that youre smarter than her, and makes her question look ridiculous.
ST: youre funny -or- youre so confident
WHY: This is TOUGH to field because you cant tell if its serious or not. Just field it as a shit test because it cracks her up either way
with your C&Fness. A: what is it about funny guys that turns you on so much?
EFFECT: C&F, shows youre alpha.. funny line.. funny guys are smart.
ST: were going to have sex or youre hot
WHY: When chicks go GM its because they are hyper-obnoxious attention whores.
A: respect (said slyly, CPowles classic)
EFFECT: Show that youre not the type to get all desperate and takes the compliments seriously. ALSO, show that you dont get
UPSET by the comments either. It shows complete disregard to her obnoxiousness, and is FUNNY (not insulting) at the same time.
ST: were not going to have sex tonight
WHY: She may want it to just happen and is feeling too much like its an obvious pickup that would make her slutiness obvious.
She is also testing to see your reaction, do you want her ONLY for sex, etc.. Shes also trying to break her own state, as in ALL shit
tests.
A: who said anything about sex? mmmmmmmmmm... guess youve got something on your mind ;)
EFFECT: Shows youre funny, and RELAXED... also cocky therefore masculine.
ST: Im fat
WHY: Testing to see if youre a beta pacifier type lame-ass.
A1: Youre enormous
A2: mmmmmm... more cushion for the pushin
A3: J-Lo is in the house (for my ass is fat)
A4: Youre cuddly like winnie the pooh... ooooooo (grab her, tickle her)
A5: Look out Rosie! (rosie odonnel)
EFFECT: Highlights the ridiculousness of her comments, shows that you dont supplicate, cocky therefore alpha.
ST: What do you do for a living?
WHY: She is demonstrating that she can SCREEN or QUALIFY you.

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A1: I clone humans
A2: I produce (x-trait of hers) fetish porn.. Im looking for new actresses (break into Kooper C&F frames, and pretend that youre
a pimp and shes your latest girl)
A3: Guess (HOOP THEORY, make her jump through the hoop first before you tell her)
EFFECT: Demonstrates to her that you will NOT be screened. Demonstrates
alphaness, because it subtley says Im here to sex you, not support you, so it
doesnt matter
ST: How old are you?
WHY: She is qualifying you.
A1: Guess (hoop theory, and my answer of choice because age is SOMEWHAT important sometimes)
A2: x-ridiculous age
EFFECT: Shows her that you will not be qualified, or are so confident that even if you ignore her stupid qualifications, youre
confident that youll fuck her anyway.
ST: Youre too young
WHY: Trying to qualify you, trying to push you back, trying to break her own state.
A1: yeah.. I know.. I crawled out of my crib, stole my big brothers ID, and snuck in here.. does anyone have any diapers??????
(look around FRANTICALLY) A2: dont worry.. like.. I wont hold it against you.. Im not like that (said with sympathy)
EFFECT: Makes her laugh, prevents her from putting up resistant emotions.
ST: Whats your sign
WHY: Qualifying you based on ARBITRARY RIDICULOUS shit.
A1: Guess (HOOP THEORY)
EFFECT: Shows her that you will play her game, but she has to play yours as
well. Youre still equals, and youll screen her based on her GUESSING
abilities, guessing an arbitrary thing. If you will screen me on something
arbitrary, Ill do it to you
ST: What are you taking at school?
WHY: Possibly screening you for income
A1: Cotton blending.. mmm.. this shirt looks like 85% cotton (grabbing her shirt, stroking her playfully)
A2: human cloning
A3: OK, seriously, you cant tell this to ANYONE.. promise??? ok, seriously?? OK, I know this sounds weird, but Im actually taking
courses on how to shoot porn .. wait for her to think youre serious, and start laughing at her.. Good only for HB9+ usually.
EFFECT: A1 is playful and fun.. A2&3 show her that you will not be qualified.
ST: Dont blame the dog/kid/whatever (assuming you DID fuckup, and ACTUALLY said something mean.. Im talking STICKY
situations here, where you actually fucked up)
WHY: She is trying to upset herself, because she has de A: That dog is STUPID!! hahha.. ok youre right (then KISS her) EFFECT:
Shows her I am STILL the man, but will admit I fucked up.. At this point, you may have said something so stupid that you cant
cover it with C&F, so PROTOCOL is to PUSH further by re-enforcing with alpha statements that are FUNNY, but then admitting shes
right.. You kiss her as a REWARD for showing you.
ST: blah blah blah (chick talks TOO MUCH, and you are supplicating by listening)
WHY: If you listen, you are her girlfriend.
A: Do you have an off switch.. (mock hit her, then kiss her) EFFECT: Shows you wont be a drama queen, controls her emotions
with first a mock-hit (bring her DOWN) and then a kiss (bring her UP).. Fucks with her emotions, makes you unpredictable, turns
her on.

Notice that ALL of these involve the chick subconsiously/consciously trying to BREAK HER OWN STATE. But by pumping her with a
DIFFERENT emotion (humour, C&F/alphaness/therfore turning her on, tickling her, kissing her/passion, etc) you PREVENT her from
breaking her own state.
You are DERAILING her screening process, therefore getting into the golden gates.
They always try to prevent themselves from getting laid by you. REVEL in it. Because all shit tests are ACTUALLY OPPORTUNITIES.
If youre being tested, its a good sign, because it SHOWS that you have ENGAGED her reproductive screening process.
Do you think that HBs sit around shit testing RANDOM BUMS OFF THE STREET??? NO. They only do it to guys just like YOU. So be
HAPPY that they shit test you, because if they didnt, then you are in SERIOUS trouble! :)
Remember, ANY logical answer shows beta-ness, and therefore will make her MORE upset. Have you ever seen a guy start
explaining himself to a chick and have her LIKE it??????? RARELY. Only if its a SERIOUS incident, and EVEN THEN chicks are so
chick-ish that they often dont like it.
Hope thats helpful. Try to keep it in mind.

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One last IMPORTANT ONE.
I forgot, but when a SUPER HOT chick tries touching you, that is a SHIT TEST.
You may THINK that its an IOI. NOPE.
If youre using negs and C&F ballbusting, they ALWAYS try to touch you to get you to like them so they can VALIDATE their
insecurity.
The answer to being touched by a chick:
Hands off the merchandise! Thatll cost you 30$
or as the song playing ends if you want me to stay for another song, I need 20$.. You cant touch me but I can touch you.. Im
sorry, but its not my rules (IOW, like youre giving her a lap-dance)
When a really hot chick tries touching you TOO EARLY (like it may not be appropriate yet) NEVER act eager unless you are DAMNED
sure that it means something.
Shes getting AROUSED by what youre doing, and wants to BREAK HER OWN STATE by touching you so that youll get eager, which
subconsciously she KNOWS will turn her off.

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SHIT TEST PASSING COMPETENCY

Repetition builds a field intuition and eventually you can feel what is the perfect response to every situation.
Routines/tactics have RANGES. There are certain levels of arousal that a routine works best at.
When internalizing a new peice, I RANGE it. That is my process.
Ill say to Papa, Im ranging x-routine.
First sarge, I try it at x-buying-temperature.
Second sarge, Ill try it at y-buying-temperature.
Third, another one.
I try it early, I try it late. I see after several sarges how soon and how late I can run it. Where is it ideally situated.
This is not a TIME variation, because it can take different girls different amounts of time to reach a buying temperature.
By doing this, I am reducing fielding time drastically. I get the same level of intuition on a peice of material that would take most
guys months to get, because Im consciously testing it (aka ranging it).
How do I recognize something subtle like buying temperature level, though?
Theres no way to readily verbally describe it. There is only...
....FIELD EXPERIENCE.
This is why Im able to venue change girls so rapidly, remove them from alphamales, or extract them from their groups. I can
recogonize when they are at that level instantly, because I RANGED those acts, so I know immediately the second that they are
ready. Like an oven timer going off..... bing
E.g. HB: you are lying to me
AFC: no, Im not... I wouldnt lie to you.. why am I lying to you? (notice that he accepts frame at end)
Level 1: Insecure Reaction
Result: HB senses insecurity and suspects you are Beta, possible Eject, or you will have to work to make up for it
Yes and not only that, but more importantly (IME) is that she shut down your game by forcing you into a logical frame instead of an
emotional one.
GAME = stimulating a girls emotions, thus disengaging logic, thus breaking dow her ability to stop you from escalating.
LOGIC = Anti-Game, thus she comes out of state
DEFENDING YOURSELF = Logic
Level 2: Overly
Anti-supplicative Reaction
Result: HB Senses insecurity, suspects you are Beta or worse Psycho, possible Eject, or
Yes I noticed that also.
Girls fear betas and feel uncomfortable around them not because they are of lower status necessarily, but also because they know
that they take the interaction TOO SERIOUSLY.
Like, theyll go home and think about it and take it the wrong way and misinterpret everything to have deeper significance.
Girls are comfortable around alphas generally because they know that when you say Youre my new GF its FUN, and that youll
forget about her 5 minutes later if nothing comes of it, anyway.
Level 3: NO Reaction Result:
HB senses indifference, Alpha quality, has NO impact on sarge
Again, to me its not exclusively about being alpha. Its that indifference
doesnt give her the opportunity to shut your game down with logic.
However it still IS about being alpha, in the sense that its about social value. Act like someone of social value (generally an alpha
anyway), and youll subcommunicate/telegraph that you were worth seeing, and that she made a mistake by blowing you off.
I really like not answering girls (I do this ALL THE TIME) and ignoring what they say, and generally talking over them.
What most guys dont know (even on this board), is that girls are so ridiculously suseptible to the frames that you throw at them,
that you could distract them from virtually anything within seconds.
I can tell a girl Im running a pickup workshop. This is my student. Student-X, Im going to make out with this girl within 3
minutes. Shes locked up right now, as you can see by x,y,z. Give me 3 minutes. Then Ill blow her off, and go tongue down a few
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The girl will say WTF did you just say? Are you kidding me?
Ill reply hahhaa, I was just kidding.. hey get this (routine, mini-cold-read, future-adventures-projections, C&F-misinterpretations,
etc etc). Start doing playful pushaways, get her pushing towards me all close, triangular gazing and then push away, she comes
back, and TONGUEDOWN. Or I say Student-X, watch how shes touching me when I make her emotional, to try to get me to touch
her back so that she can displace the endorphins Im shooting into her, and bring herself out of state. Ill even tell her to stop
touching me, and shell do it more and more. She wont be able to stop herself, its reflex. Again, RIGHT to the chick. Shes like
Dude, WTF did you say, and Im like Hey, pay attention. I said I want to adopt you.. Youre going to be my new little.. OMG
youre so cute, Im going to pack you in my suitcase and wrap you up in bubble wrap, so youll be all squishy and cuddling, and Im
going to bring you back to Los Angeles with me. Were going to go shopping, and Ill have you on my arm like this, and EVERY GIRL
IN THE PLACE will be JEALOUS of you.. Shes like OMG thats so awesome! I love you so much! blah blah and starts touching me
instantly. I say Hey, youre my little sister.. Hands off the merchandise, thats 30 bucks reduced rates for little sisters, and she
touches me more and more.
Then I laugh at her and stop the pickup and blatantly remind her that I just told her I what I was about to do it. Shes like
AAAAAAAAH!! WTF ARE YOU DOING TO ME???
Its all frame setting. You can PLOW girls frames so easily.
Not talking is another way to do this.
You just IGNORE what she said, and then its Follow the shiny thing girls.. Look, its a shiny thing!.. Follow it! She instantly falls
out of her frame and into yours. It all makes sense, because her emotions are saying This is good. Her logic is DISENGAGED
enough to ignore whats previously given her a bad emotion, in exchange for the more pleasant one (or in reality, to be more
specific, the new attachment that youve given the emotion, since really love and hate are similar chemical reactions, but she tags it
differently)
Often, in deep comfortbuilding, Ill have girls on my lap or leaning back on me or in close, and theyll say some shit like Youre too
good at this.. You do this to girls all the time, dont you?
I just dont answer. I look at them, and dont answer. Then I ease my forehead to her head, and she reciprocates, and
tonguedown.
Boom, shit test passed.
As you said, you dont even have to answer. You can IGNORE a shit-test, and if your frame is stronger, shell forget that she even
said it.
The PUA just pretends the HB
didnt shit test him, doesnt
say anything / do anything.
This is nice, because it is
EASY to do. IMHO I passed a
lot of shit tests in my first
year of PU, just because I
Yes, good stuff man.
E.g.
HB: I was going to meet you,
but then BLAH BLAH bullshit
justification
PUA: (Silence like a freeze
out)
HB: But we could meet
tomorrow can we meet
tomorrow?
I like this. Id change it by even mumbling some incoherent stuff about
another topic after a few seconds of freeze out, so it doesnt sound like
youre speechless from being mad or upset. This is like a flakey HB10 would do
to you.
Level 4: Skillful Shit Test
Passing
Result: HB gets more attracted
and Sarge PROGRESSES
Result: She is unable to shut your game down, and use logic to put the breaks
on her state of emotional arousal (which she tends to do just prior to hitting
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OPENING/ ATTRACTION

Agreement and C&F response

e.g. Yeah, why is it that
little powerpuffs like you
like that so much?

Emotion pump e.g. Tickle

her, hit her,

Agreement and emotion pump e.g. Yeah oh but baby I loooooveee you sooo much.

RAPPORT

Aggressive reframe of shit

test under your frame

Freeze-out

SEDUCTION and POST LAY

test

Cavemaning
Freeze-out
Aggressive reframe of shit
under your frame

Hope you guys find this

helpful...
AC

Good summary.
Also, Ive noticed that cavemanning is typically useful to escalate a sarge ONLY in certain cases.
For example, Ive done entire sarges start to lay doing ONLY caveman. This is typical for girls of low social value, like girls over 30,
party girls, or drunk girls.
However, in other cases, Ill use caveman very strategically. For example, Ill only use it if I know that what Ill FOLLOW UP the
cavemanning with is emotionally arousing enough to make her FORGET that I cavemanned her.
Like with LMR, when shes back at your house but wont kiss. So you grab her hair back and FORCE it on her. You KNOW that with
5-6 hours that youve been pushing her through emotional states already, that the physical displacement of endorphins that the kiss
will cause, will definetely have such a strong effect on her that shell ignore that you cavemanned her.

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SEXUAL PREDATOR MISINTERPRETATION

Heres some more stuff that Ive been into lately.. I find this stuff is pretty funny, so hopefully some guys can derive some use out
of it.
If I had to teach guy game in under 10 minutes, I guess that this is probably what Id talk about (along with the more important
points from the 25 points of not appearing needy, because if you appear needy youre usually blown out.. So say not the whole list,
but at least not to peck in, or be too eager to touch or ask questions or have weird manneurisms that look desperate).
The method: Show that girls are sexual predators, and then while chatting, keep going back to showing them why what theyre
doing is just designed to take advantage of you. Thats it.
Necessary props: Badboy(croatian), Style, Kooper, and David D.. I stole and meshed together a bunch of ideas from them, and
tinkered to turned into a linear system for keeping girls chasing you from start to lay.
Its pretty basic..
Do it however you want. Heres how I personally do it, but theres a inifinite ways, within the frame itself.

Step 1:
EXPANDED SEXUAL PREDATOR ROUTINE:
Lay a STRONG humour anchour. They have to be laughing out of their minds, so that you can keep re-using the callback humour
through out the pickup.
You know what? I cant even trust you guys. Girls are predators. Girls are SEXUAL predators! Guys think that they seduce
women and have all this power. Yeah right! Girls choose. They choose. The guys just dangle themselves in front of them
thinking that they made it happen, but they dont realize that its the girl who chose THEM.
Girls are predators.. They hold the cards.. Examine the evidence.
First, when a guy gets mad at his girlfriend, can he strap on his bitch boots, shove up his pushup bra, do up his hair and makeup,
and head out to the bar and pull a girl home in under five minutes? Yeah right! Its GIRLS. YOU GUYS have the power to do that,
not guys! (wait while girls laugh).. What percentage of guys can do that? Look at them (point at guys).. Theyre leaning in and
touching, making the girls all uncomfortable, but some of the girls like them anyway.. But the guys THINK its that they were
aggressive.. So what, like 5% of guys TOPS can do what 100% of girls can do.
Second, girls are the only gender with one organ designed for NOTHING ELSE but sexual pleasure. (wait while girls laugh) And on
that organ, there are ten times more nerve endings than anything a guy has. (wait while girls laugh)
Thats why, when GIRLS have sex, they go (put hands onto hair, and do the following very convincingly, like Meg Ryan When Harry
met Sally style) uhhhhhh.... oooohhh.... uhhhhhhh.. (wait while girls laugh hysterically screaming their heads off)
IDEALLY, THE ROUTINE IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE FOLLOWING:

sets a humour anchour that can be re-used to keep them giggling throughout the duration of the pickup
gives you fodder to do busting them on their manneurisms stuff.. You can now tease them on their actions, and tease them
on what they say, showing that its all designed to take advantage of you
provides a Kooper-style C&F roleplaying frame, for them to play in, that results in them seducing you
makes the obstacles/peergroup love you, because they think youre really fun, and it makes them trust you with their friend
that you wont be pushy
establishes a frame that girls are meant to seduce guys, and its normal/cool/fun
conveys that you know the deal about social interaction
conveys that you know not to make girls feel uncomfortable by being pushy or trying to seduce
conveys that you probably ARE one of the 5% of guys who can pull a girl home, because just implying that you know whats
wrong with other guys approaches, suggests that you know how to do it right
mindfucks her into a frame where shes becoming more sexually aggressive

STEP 2 - MISINTERPRETING THEM AS TRYING TO PREY ON YOU:

Point out real IOIs (there will be a lot), as well as MISINTERPRETING things that are not IOIs, in order to mess with girls in the set
who are not as into you.
-(point) Hey, you just licked your lips! (back off like youre scared)

Hey, youre touching me.. Hands off the merchandise.. Im just trying to talk to you.. I just want to talk, and youre just
SITTING THERE WAITING for me to talk so I can feel ready for you, and youre not even listening to what Im really saying...
Youre just biding your time until I feel comfortable with you.

Hey, stop giggling at me.. Its making me feel really good.. Stop it.. Stop being so attracted to me (this must be in deep
attraction, or sounds lame.. if its in deep attraction, it makes her REALIZE that shes attracted

Hey! YOURE ATTRACTED TO ME! STOP IT! I JUST WANT TO TALK, STOP BEING SUCH
A PREDATOR!

Hey! You guys think its all fun and games.. Like you can just do this, and everything will be FINE.. But you probably didnt
even know about the hidden damage youre doing.. Did you know that 99% of all colleged aged males who get date raped
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around depressed and alone for the rest of his life! I dont want this to happen to me! Stop it! No no no, now youre licking
your lips again.. Stop stop stop (engaging the group, so youre saying stop to everyone in the group individually).. Help!
For girls who arent as attracted in the set: Hey, youre leaning away but your knees are pointing at me.. Youre trickier than
your friends.. Youre trying to go in under the radar but your knees are giving it away... OK shes scaring me the most..

STEP 3 - JUST CONVEYING PERSONALITY SO THE GIRLS GET TO KNOW YOU, QUALIFYING
YOUR TARGET, BUT ALL THE WHILE RE-INITIATING STATE WITH CALLBACK HUMOUR:
The idea is that youre running a normal pickup, but using callback humour and the cocky & playful roleplaying stuff. So this gives
you the maneuvrability to run a nice normal conversation, but keeping the interaction charged with this stuff.

Use reverse-EV type stuff, so that shes finding out positive things about you and building trust. The whole pickup lasts
usually around 4-7 hours, start to lay. Youre supposed to be conveying personality during this time. The accusing-them thing
is something you do as their state drops, or when you see a good opening to do so. Its not the entire method, since just
teasing wont get you laid except by party girls. With party girls, just tease the fuck out of them, thats it.

Qualify her to you, and every time you act impressed lean in, and then say
wait a minute.. what are you doing.. I cant talk to you anymore, youre
trouble

Ask her arbitrary questions about herself, and then pretend like youre hitting buying temperature, but then cutting it off
because youre afraid that shell take advantage of that. PUA: Whats your sign? HB: Libra. PUA: OMG I love you (take
hands).... Wait, I cant talk to you anymore.. Youre trouble.. Go away (push her away and turn your back on her and face her
friends and say shes trouble)

If she does something really impressive, pretend like you freaked out and hit high buying temperature, and jump in and kiss
her, then go aaaah.... what are you doing to me??? and turn around and move away from her like youre scared that she
manipulated you to do that.

Condition her (like Pavlovs dogs) to keep doing things that will seduce you.
Shell grab you, etc.. Reward her with kino, or whatever. But then also run
away when she escalates it too much. Mindfuck her into trying to seduce you.
The girls seem to think that this is really fun, because they feel safe and on
their terms, and also they seem to find it a turn-on. Bear in mind, youre
coming in super-confident (you opened them, you held court in the set), so its
obvious that you have alot going for you.
STEP 4 - LAY LOGISTICS:

Start acting possibly convinced. Her friends will start trying to convince you to stay, and theyll start qualifying your target
saying that shes safe PUA.. dont worry.. you can trust her.. go with her.. etc etc..
When you walk home together, dont be too eager to keep the joke going. At the same time, when you get her home, walk
past your bedroom, and one last time say Hey! See this is exactly what Im talking about.. Wait in the TV room..
Then, grab your blankets, and run into the TV room.. Throw them on her like its all funny and jump on the couch in a way that
makes her laugh (humour disarms escalation to pickups.. if you escalate a pickup, but make the girl laugh while youre doing it,
shell backwards rationalize that she wanted you to escalate). Then say Cmere cmere cmere.... its cold its cold its cold... (in
a funny way so she laughs that youre basically putting her in a very comprimising position).
Once shes on top of you, STOP TALKING.. It starts getting heavy.. Breathing starts synchronizing.. Youre breathing in her ear
maybe and fingers are interlocked and youre getting closer.. Then say uhhh ohhh.. mmmm... ummm.. this is OK I think... uh
oh.. and start kissing her.
Take it from there.. If the joke is still working (it may be SO PLAYED by this point, but if it is STILL WORKING), feel free to
make liberal use of callback humour to disarm any last minute resistance (misinterpret her LMR as her just trying to get you
more comfortable)

**NOTE: If the joke has become PLAYED, then dont insist on pursuing it. The
whole frame/routine is always good, but dont be routine dependent and insist
on pursuing it. If its fading a little bit, just move onto something else. If
its working consistently the entire time, then keep using it. Just common
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ENVIRONMENTAL STATE BREAKERS

Heres something Ive known for a long time, and been meaning to post about.
If any of you guys recall the field report where I almost slept with that big fat chick that I met at the homecoming block parties on
my campus, that was what reminded me of this.
Just going back over it, what happened was that I met this girl in the backyard of the party, and started getting it on with her pretty
hard within about 3 minutes. It was dark, and I couldnt tell how big she was. OUCH.
So we get back towards the house (Im isolating her for full close because she lives in one of the houses), and we get into the light
where I realize that shes too big and not even as pretty as I originally thought. Now at this point, after close to an hour of foreplay,
youd THINK that I would just go for it anyway. But nope, there was no way.
But in hindsight, what REALLY made it not happen? Well to me, more than anything, it was that when we went from OUTSIDE to
INSIDE, the environment was so different that it literally BROKE MY STATE.
Even WEIRDER though, was that once I got inside with the girl, I actually noticed that even SHE didnt really want it as much
anymore. At first I thought that it was because she could sense the disgust on my face. But in reality, now that I think about it, I
think that she actually lost state because of:

change in lighting
change in sound (from music and partying to absolute quiet)
change in the level that we were talking at

Had we moved, say, to a shed or something in the backyard, she might have gotten me to have sex with her, because my state
would have been there and I would have thought aaaah, fuck it.. sex is sex The reason I say that is that although I was turned off
when we got towards the house, and I could see that she wasnt hot, I was STILL in state. But once I got inside, I was TOTALLY
turned off (thank god), and SO WAS SHE.
I noticed the SAME with Twentysix last week, when I was visiting with him in Toronto. There was a HB7 and a HB6. We pulled
them from the club back to their house. The girls literally said we want sex - they werent even slutty - they were just college girls
who could tell that we were decent guys, and after a debrief apparently the only guys who came up to them and just had fun and
didnt hit on them. They were even bitching that theyd had condoms in the house for 3 months, and that even though they were in
college they hadnt had the chance to use them, and their friends kept getting laid and not them and they were sick of it. Blah
blah.. funny shit.
Anyway, Ive never yet had sex with any girl under a hot 7, but I was willing to jump on the sword to allow for Twentysix to hookup
with this 7 because he lives in Toronto and he could have made her a GF. The thing was though, once I got back to her house, and
the excitement of the club was gone, AGAIN I just couldnt do it.
I took her downstairs and took her shirt off, but then I got LMR and lockup and called it off. I told her to chill out and talked babytalk to her until she fell asleep. hahaha, this girl woke up the next morning with her shirt off, and not having fucked me. I was long
gone.
So where am I going with this? Girls get the same thing. Bigtime.
When you pull a girl from a loud club, within seconds it can go from:

you two are yelling at eachother over the noise, listening to music, getting hyped from the crowd, being in a warm environment

to

dead quiet, dark parking lot, two of you talk and SOUND different, nobody is around, fantasy cognitive dissonance environment
of the club is gone

It KILLS buying temperature.

Now I find that many girls you pull are semi-drunk, and they wont usually notice it. But if their buzz fades, they may call it off.
Also, you see some of them coming out of state if you have to drive them back to their house, because you cant keep up the act on
the car ride. In a taxi its different, because you can makeout the whole way home.
One thing that Ill do is that when were leaving the club, Ill say shit like The music will be gone in a second.. this will be weird, this
will be weird.., so that theyll realize it before it happens.
Also key, is that I always try to isolate my girl, or bring her group, OUTSIDE.
That way, we can talk at a normal volume and see eachother in a normal context. That, IMO, reduces flaking, because its not as
weird when you call her the next day. Of course instant-date builds comfort also, because she sees that youre fun to hang around
outside a club context.
ANOTHER state breaker though, thats even WEIRDER is VOICE TONE.
Like Ive had girls who I was talking to in one voice tone, and when I switched it up theyve said What are you doing? Why are you
talking like that? And then they drop state, and I have to go back to my old voice tone to re-initiate it.
You can see problems with this when you try to phase shift too early, and you slow down your speech but the girl just gets bored
because her buying temperature wasnt stabalized yet. Also, you see it with the hardcore C&F ballbusting, when you try to build
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I know that DConstrukt (Lounge/CliffsList), Style, Toecutter, and others are really good at running their game at an energy level
where when they switch gears, its not that abrupt, and doesnt cause state loss as easily. For me, Ive experimented with both very
high and very low energy levels in my game.
Ive found that high energy is MUCH better for running sets, but also much higher flake ratio, because once you phone them you
cant keep up that energy level. Also, her response to that energy level had to be built with time, and when you phone its too
INCONGRUENT when you act initially normal.
Voice tone is a MAJOR way of getting girls into state though. The more fun you act (not sexual) the more excited they get. They
get REALLY aroused from guys in clubs who are just fun not sexual, because theyre already horny because of the club environment,
and theyre suppressing it, but when youre fun they cant help it.
For me, in the past 2 months, Ive been practising a really LOW KEY game. Ive lost SHITLOADS of sets as a result, but my flaking
has gone way down. Also my trust levels are higher. Ive FINALLY got it down in the past 2 weeks.
This way, I can phone girls up and its totally congruent with how I acted on Day1.
Whats also interesting to me, is that girls start to PICKUP on what youve been doing to put them in state. And the second the
REALIZE what you were doing, and pickup on the pattern, it stops working.
Like if you used alot of C&F, but keep it up later, it can literally just NOT WORK. Thats why we use punishment/reward, and just
pure freeze outs, which ALWAYS work no matter where you are in the game, assuming youve past the hook point.
To me, its fascinating to try to rebuild states, or to initiate them in the first place, using my game. I can control girls states like no
other - its ridiculous. When Im gaming a girl, there is NO THOUGHT as to my ego or anything. Its purely trying to solve a puzzle
of how to escalate her states. This sort of stuff is a key peice of that puzzle for me.
Anyway, I hope this stuff is conveyed over the internet. I know 80% of guys on here dont even get the context, because their
game isnt at a point where they can build states for an extended period of time just yet. But for other guys who play the game
regularly, this stuff will all ring true.

STATE BREAKERS:
music
temperature
lighting
crowd size
intoxication levels
voice tone
change in energy level
recognition of what youve been doing to put her in state (her realizing its not just happening)
peer group intervention
cell phone (Ive lost girls when their boyfriends call)
a bad image association (bringing up or teasing her on a sore topic)
her inadvertantly doing things that force you to chase, therefore killing your status in her eyes -*circumstances* that force
you to chase, like a fight breaking out or someone puking or a fire alarm, and you get split up, but have to go find her to reinitiate, and then she realizes you werent as hard to get as you seemed

Any of these things can break state instantly, and kill the pickup.

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CHECKLIST FOR GAME PLAN

OK, the BIG QUESTION:
When you sarge girls, what is your GAMEPLAN?
Do you just start asking them questions and shit like that, or do you go in with a neutral false opinion opener, and just start
BLABBING AWAY?
Because most guys from ASF that I meet who dont have success start asking girls questions, and trying to get rapport with THEM.
They open girls with where did you get that, and what does that mean, and how do you get to x-location, and look at that
thing on the wall... shit like that, which Ive personally never seen work CONSISTENTLY real life in field.
Do you use stuff to INTRIGUE them or crack them up? What sort of stuff do you say?
How do you convey HIGHER VALUE?
How do you create DRAMA in your approach? Do you make them HATE you first, and THEN like you, to create more drama?
Do you convey an attractive personality?
Do you convey sexuality?
Do you convey that you are the prize, by being C&F?
Do you use PUNISHMENT/REWARD by turning your back on them to tease that youll leave?
QUESTION: HAVE YOU EVER TURNED YOUR BACK ON A CHICK?????
If you havent tried that, then youre missing out, because I do it almost EVERY sarge.
The key to getting really good is to just go in and talk 80%/20% initially, until the chick starts asking you your name and shit like
that, and then going 50%/50% rapport/genuine/get-to-know-eachother from that point..
Also, dont face them.. however much she is facing you, be facing a little less towards her, no matter WHAT. If she cant hear you in
a club, do NOT lean in to her. Keep talking, and either accept that shell leave, or make her lean in.
Have you ever read the How to actually PU for real thing from before? Have you tried ALL of those openers and sequences? What
HAVE you tried? What can you tell us thats CONCRETE from your 300+ sarges, that we can analyze to help you?

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SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE

QUESTION: A PUA with an impressive socially proofed job meets a girl. When should he convey this?
A1: Early in the pickup, so that shes interested and stays attentive to him.
OR:
A2: Late in the game. In fact, he drops it when he has her alone in the bedroom
INTUITIVELY, we say EARLY, because once shes in the bedroom shes already had, right?
Lets consider in this thread a different focus.
IN RESPONSE TO SEVERAL THREADS LATELY OF SHE WAS ATTRACTED, BUT WHY DIDNT I LAY HER? (Paris, ZombieX, and
others)
Typical wrong thinking in the community - same thing that screwed me over for a long long time (you can dig up my old fuckup
reports from my archive.. Read Barfuckup part II I think in my archived posts).
Guys will argue this, but theyre flat wrong. Not to be an arrogant prick by saying this is fact.. But honestly THIS IS FACT! :)
Ive been testing this for months now, and so has Mys and 26.
If youre a PUA, then to lay a girl, what do you need?
Just to get her alone. Thats it. Any PUA can seduce pretty much most chicks that he has alone - obviously with exceptions, but in
general its not difficult.
So youre trying to get her to agree to be alone with you HOW?
Right now, its by getting her HORNY, and you THINK that shell agree to be alone with you on that account.
You THINK that the way to get a chick alone is to get her HORNY enough that shell agree to it, when thats NOT THE CASE.
***ASF-FALLACY:
Premise1: Getting girls aroused makes them want to be around you.
Premise2: Keeping them aroused keeps them around you.
Conclusion: To get them to be alone with you, get them really really aroused.

This works CONSISTENTLY.

W-R-O-N-G.
***TRUTH:
Premise1: Getting girls aroused makes them want to be around you.
Premise2: Exploiting the time that attraction buys you, to then establish rapport and trust will also keep them around you. It will
keep the girls there just as well as if youd hammered away at attraction, but this way theyre willing to LEAVE with you because
youre friends, and they dont FEAR that theyll succumb to your advances, and refuse out of antislut defense.
Premise3: Most girls aged 18-23 are not willing to DELIBERATELY sleep with a guy that they just met REGARDLESS OF THEIR
ATTRACTION TO HIM, unless they are either party-chicks or else in a party-chick mentality for whatever reason (vacation, spring
break, rebound, you have some massive esoteric sex fantasy element, etc). If you plan to build a solid game, then you cannot
DEPEND on these circumstances.
IOW: NO you are not such a Don Juan that most girls will be so drunk off of the arousal youve generated, that theyll leave the club
with you knowing full well that youll likely seduce them. Even if they were that drunk off infatuation, it would have likely worn off in
the car ride home. The times its happened were most often FOOLS MATE.
CONCLUSION: Most girls will not leave a public gathering with a guy for the intentional purpose of sleeping with him. Although they are aroused at the time, and
would sleep with him if he had the ability to snap his fingers and make everyone in the public gathering VANISH, the fact is that this cannot happen, and most girls,
DESPITE BEING AROUSED, will NOT leave the gathering out of sheer AROUSAL.
Guys fools mate girls all the time, thinking that this is the way. Theyll REPORT BACK in a field report on how they did it, when they
havent reported the zillions of times it didnt work.
In fact, the consistent way to pull girls from clubs all the time is this:

To get her wanting to hang out with you at your place or hers, a good way is to be having fun, and to be in rapport.
Except the irony is that a chick usually wont BOTHER taking the time to get to know you (get rapport), unless theres first
some attraction.
This creates the FALLACY in guys minds that whenever a chick is initially attracted, he has to keep PUSHING ATTRACTION in
order to lay her - since it DID work on several occassions.
INSTEAD, get attraction, JUST ENOUGH to get her to initiate rapport, and then get rapport with her.
Dont PUSH attraction. Get JUST ENOUGH for the two of you to have fun together, and then invite her somewhere isolated to
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Get her to hang out with you either that night (frame it as lets be spontaneous, which you can set traps early for that), and
then SEDUCE HER IN THE PROPER LOCATION.
THE BAR IS NOT THE PLACE FOR SEDUCTION.

(sorry, but so much wrong thinking on ASF for so long).

Just make friends in the bar, and get her alone. Seduce her when you have her ALONE.
This is massively field tested, and has been working consistently.
Give it a try, I hope it helps.
Guys wont like this post, because it will contradict what theyve been doing for years. For me, it was easy to accept because Im an
ASF newbie, so I didnt have bad habits engrained over years. The plain facts are that no PUA here can produce results contrary to
what Ive written, IN FIELD on HB9+ chicks on a consistent basis. While on the other hand, theres no prob for any socially
intelligent person to get rapport with very hot chicks in clubs, and getting them alone so they can do their thing.
Yes, weve all gotten chicks all wet and horny in the clubs and gotten them to leave with us. Its aint rocket science and it DOES
happen every night with different chicks in any given club. But this focus is WAY more consistent, and is also good because it allows
you to net the hottest HBs, who may not have given you the chance to seduce them in the club.
Also it doesnt require you to KEEP them HORNY on the drive home. Much much better focus. Give it a shot.
Guys will post that what Im saying is wrong, but Ill likely not reply. Theyre wrong, and they cant produce these results in field.
The ONLY other way is to mix rapport and attraction, which can be done effectively. Guys will also post back you dont need to
DIVIDE rapport and attraction.. the two can be MIXED
That is FINE for some guys, but many PUAs can get girls wetter than wet within about 1-2 minutes. If I want to play fools mate, I
can have girls so wet in under 2 minutes that they freak out or cry or totally lose it. This isnt hard for field-experienced PUAs,
though it sounds bizarre and impossible to alot of guys who havent seen it and cant grasp the context.
So YES attraction and rapport is divided. If you think its not, then you either dont have the attraction abilities to move attraction
that quickly, or you have a slower style.
If you have a slower style then thats FINE, but THIS POST is under a model that Im working under, which means that I have to
know when to pull back and when to unleash.
So if YOUR model is different, then post under a unrelated thread about your particular model. But if youre using THIS model, then
this stuff is KEY.
In conclusion, if your game is TIGHT, then why not just focus on getting her alone AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, and holding back your big
guns for when you have her alone. Then sex her right then and there.
Instead of this bullshit like keeping her in state for the 25 minute car ride home, etc etc etc.. which all this AVOIDS.
For example, you can read old field reports of mine where I pump the chicks with C&F, and we get up to go to leave (with whatever
pre-supposition usually, even though its obvious). Then if I keep it up as we walk to my car, we leave together - and its fully on.
But if things stale for even a second, BOOM they flake. Like even on my way to the car, cause they come out of state.
I think TD&26 vs. dumb club chicks might have been an old report like that, but Im not sure.
Alright, so the BIG QUESTION: How to get the chicks to leave with you without the whole sex intent thing.
Obviously this is very counter-intuitive.
The thing is, that youre STILL kind of gaming them, but in a way where youre not getting them so wet so fast. Even though youre
focusing on rapport&fun (especially fun in college, but rapport elsewhere Id say), youve still conveyed that you are an attractive
guy EARLY ON, when you used attraction to get her attention in the first place.
**So you are in the FRAME of being an ATTRACTIVE GUY, who is simply not GAMING her at THIS EXACT MOMENT.
You want to come off like a guy who is more than capable of getting her all wet, but who is COOL ENOUGH to not do it right then
and there, because hes not slime (as girls would say). So she has the INTEREST to stay with you, but minus the whole playerhater shit.
The girl will STILL leave with you (or offer up a #, with intent to see you again) on account that you ARE attractive..... EXCEPT, she
wont get BUYERS REMORSE by doing DUMB SHIT THAT GIRLS DO WHEN THEYRE SUPER HORNY... !
Get it? :)
When you get girls all hot and wet in the club... dude, I KNOW you know what Im talking about, just from your posts.
The chicks do all this slutty shit, and they REGRET it when they come out of state. Even if its just GRIND you, or just show too
many IOIs which embaresses them later when they think back on how obvious they were about it.
So instead, dont LET them do the shit that theyll regret, by FIRST getting into the DESIRABLE GUY FRAME to get them chatting,
but then just hang with them and have FUN chilling out or whatever and getting to know eachother.
STILL though, get to know eachother in a way where youre still the money shit, not showing all your cards or whatever and not
being needy (AoS style, I guess to some extent).

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As OPPOSED to: fuck that guy got me so wet.. I must have looked like such a slut
Which DUDE, let me TELL YOU man...... theres something alot of guys INCLUDING MYSELF forget alot of the time -> Girls get
horny ALL THE TIME by guys they dont want to fuck. Girls are such little emotional beings that this shit happens non-stop, and its
NO BIG DEAL to them..
As ex-AFCs were all HAPPY when we get girls horny because were FLATTERED. Our PAST INSECURITIES makes it feel like a
personal validating victory whenever a girl shows us IOIs.
But now its time to GET PAST that, and realize that its so easy that its a JOKE to get girls horny, and focus is for us to get LAID.
(obviously this is for more advanced guys, not newbies, but still its a good direction to start into for anyone)
So getting them all wet in the club means JACK SHIT, unless theyre PARTY CHICKS (or in party-chick mentality like I said above,
which is perfectly fine if shes a party chick)
Point is, get them wet, but PREVENT them from doing anything that will make them get BUYERS REMORSE.
For me, I used to get girls having threeway makeout sessions, grabbing my dick, fingering them, getting it on in the bathroom, etc
etc etc... but it only went full-monty if the chick was a PARTY CHICK..
The normal chicks would hate me for it later.. Even though they couldnt blame me, theyd associate me with all these BAD
EMOTIONS..
Why?
Because all of a sudden Ive become a REMINDER of their INNER-SLUT.. :)
And thats NOT JUST for when theyd do SUPER slutty shit. Even if theyd just get super-wet, and not do anything physically slutty,
theyd STILL get buyers remorse for letting a guy whos maybe a 7 in looks, get them all wet when theyre like HB9s. Just on
account that they FELT that wet, even without DOING ANYTHING about it, they STILL get buyers remorse. Have you ever had a
great time with a chick in a club, and seen her at a mall or school later, and she acts all distant? This is what Im talking about.
So now Im COMPARTMENTALIZED as a CLUB-GUY. And dude, you KNOW that chicks go out to club to make-out with guys and all
that shit, cause they GET OFF on the prospect of WINDOW SHOPPING, even though theyre showing up with no intention to BUY.
Sure they do SOMETIMES.
But realistically, how many chicks have you laid SAME NIGHT using the get them horny in the club method?
As in HOW CONSISTENT? Yeah weve ALL done this for the longest time. But Im talking a CONSISTENT way to hookup with new
girls from public gatherings, and not just with easier targets (IOW: FOOLS MATE, and NO I dont think that theres a problem with
this analogy, because were not calling the PUA a fool, were just using CHESS METAPHOR, so no need to get sensitive about it).
Anyway test it out. If you learn to work it like this, youll literally lay practically every chick that ever likes you. I mean literally
dude, youll bat .1000 - almost every girl that takes any interest in you, youll lay.
Why?
Because they have NO REASON to object to being alone with you, and you can just game them ALONE and sex them RIGHT THERE.
After all, you didnt push her right? You didnt get her all wet or anything. But youre a fun and attractive guy, and you invited her
to come hang with you back at your pad. They have no reason to object, because you gave them no reason to believe that youd
wind up having sex. OF COURSE WHAT SHE DOESNT KNOW IS THAT YOU ARE STRATEGIC, AND YOU WERE HOLDING BACK YOUR
ARSENAL FOR LATER, WHICH IS IN-CON-FUCKING-CEIVABLE TO CHICKS THAT A GUY COULD BE THIS STRATEGIC, SO THEY
NEVER SEE IT COMING.
>something.. ok this is just
>speculation on my part because
>the reality you describe is un
>recognizable to me.
Actually this was pretty good speculation, but it happens not to be the
reason.. Still, I could see where youd get that.
But nope. The key thing here is that this way just makes WAY more sense, and is getting WAY better results.
Currently the lay guides, SS, DYD, or any other system doesnt focus on this stuff.. Its very counter-intuitive to hold back. But
were trying to get a better focus.
Anyway, just play with the frame dude. Im sure youll get it (its field tested, it works).. Report back and let me know.
MORE - *VERY IMPORTANT SHIT*** (this took a while to figure out for fact and review of sarge to lay results):
Kissing in public is FINE as a RAPPORT TACTIC, not an ATTRACT TACTIC.
So IOW, if youre kissing her to get her so horny shell leave the club to sex you, shed better be a party-chick or else youre in
trouble.
But if its like the two of you are just getting really close, and its a way of establishing physical compatability and trust, then its
GREAT. This is the definitive answer to back when I posted about Not kiss closing in clubs, last December/January. The key is
that its fine IF AND ONLY IF it doesnt cause buyers remorse, which in rapport it shouldnt. (again, for party chicks its fine to sex
them whenever/whereever, but Im talking normal chicks in this post)
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Kissing as rapport tactic in club = GOOD (shows physical compatability, physical rapport, etc)
Kissing as attract tactic in club = BAD (buyers remorse)
Kissing as attract tactic at home/car/hotel = GOOD (sex her right there)

PARTY CHICKS:
Kissing as rapport tactic in club = N/A (party chicks dont need or often even WANT rapport, so not much rapport should be
occuring, or shell get turned off and LJBF you at best)
Kissing as attract tactic in club = GOOD (get her into party-mode, since shes a party-chick she wont fight it and shell leave with
you)
Kissing as attract tactic at home/car/hotel = GOOD(obviously)

Also Proto, I agree with your format. I did this for the longest time, but now
I can sense a party chick from a normal chick within seconds, so I follow
protocol based on that these days. Still, its good protocol, I agree,
particularly for the old model. As for the other guys who are into public sex
(fucking chicks in bathrooms and all that), thats pretty cool that you guys
like that and its pretty funny.. Its not really my thing, so Im just going to
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GETTING COMFORTABLE SO YOU CAN WORK

A big mistake I see a lot of guys making is not sitting the girls down or getting them somewhere comfortable where they can work.
Theyll often try to game up the girls in areas with people-traffic, or where theyre standing and not leaning against anything. I cant
see this being very effective because the girls arent comfortable and neither are you. Also, because youre standing for so long, it
conveys a bit too much interest, just in the sense of why is this dude who is supposedly the prize standing in this uncomfortable
place for so long just to chat me when I havent even done anything to convey value to him yet? (obviously they dont think this
exact line).
In every set, Ill want to get them seated ASAP. Ill often hit them on a high point of a story and start backing up. Ill back up onto
the seat, and talk louder (like I walk backwards as I talk, just really smooth). Usually theyll follow because theyre liking the
emotions theyre getting from the stories. If they dont, I motion my hands to wave them over slightly, or tease them to come over.
I want to be leaning against a wall where there is no traffic, or preferably seated but the first is fine if theres no seating around.
Likewise, in loud clubs, if its too loud to go too long, Ill blurt out Have you ever been CUBEed before? Its awesome. I ask you five
questions and youll get back info about yourself that not even your friends knew. Its awesome, you have to see it. (I oversell it to
move them to the couch). Personally I think its lame to offer gimmicks like that without them earning it, but I think its even worse
to have to stand there in a uncomfortably loud area, and I just want them seated ASAP. I think its also key that youre CUBEing her
to amuse yourself to see the results, rather than to impress her in anyway. So Ill sit them down and often times I wont even do it,
or Ill run it and then run backwards on my regular program and continue from there.
I think its interesting that the only difference between you meeting a girl who could even become your girlfriend, or not, is just that
you got her logistically comfortable ASAP, so that her ASD wouldnt go up or anything due to you gaming her so extensively in an
uncomfortable location.
Of course, just moving them around the room and venue changing is great also. I do seated preferably though, because I can work
in closer and phase shift, or just build comfort effectively in a location where I can really work.
Anyway, I know this sounds subtle, but it really makes the difference between things going well and not going anywhere at all.

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HOW TO FUCK A WOMAN WHO WANTS TO BE FUCKED

BY COOLJOE
Ive been on ASF for almost a year now. Looking back on my experiences, I realize that the most useful advice Ive gotten here is
not about how to attract girls, but how to fuck girls once they are already attracted to you. Thats what this post is about: This is a
summary of the most basic, non-controversial ASF advice on how to fuck women who are attracted to you. It should be especially
helpful for those who are new here.
First, a word on attraction. ASF teaches many good techniques for making women feel attracted to you. When done properly, negs,
patterns, C&F/GM/MM routines, pAImAI, projecting sexual state, and push-pull screening are all powerful tools for building
attraction. However, when done the wrong way or at the wrong time, these techniques can make you seem bizarre and can derail
your social interactions. You should use them if they work for you, but most normal guys dont need any of these techniques to
attract women. If you go out and do the things you enjoy in life, and youre around other people a lot, you will encounter plenty of
women who are attracted to you.
The problem is that most guys dont know how to recognize when a woman is showing signs of attraction, or how to fuck her when
she does. These are things you can learn on ASF that every man should know, but most do not. In addition to using this material
yourself, you can teach parts of this stuff to your friends, without even mentioning that you learned it on ASF, and have a significant
impact on their success with women too.
Almost all of these ideas came from TFM or other posters. What I have done is to synthesize the stuff that has had the greatest
impact on my own game. I hope people find it useful...

Outline

A. How to fuck a woman who wants you to fuck her

1.
2.
3.
4.

Recognize IOIs
Isolate
Escalate kino
Take her home and fuck her

B. How to avoid common stumbling blocks

1. Dont supplicate
2. Pass shit tests

A. How to fuck a woman who wants you to fuck her

1. Recognize IOIs
When a woman is attracted to you, she will demonstrate it in ways that are quite obvious if you know what to look for. She will do
this by giving Indicators of Interest (IOIs). Common IOIs include:

Complimenting you.
Touching you.
Pointing out something the two of you have in common.
Choosing to be with you, instead of with her friends or somewhere else.
Smiling and playing with her hair while she talks to you.
Asking for your name (after you have met and talked for a while).
Offering to hold something for you, get something for you, or some other nice gesture.

Once a women has given you two or three of these IOIs, that means she wants you
to fuck her! Women love sex and are constantly communicating to men that they
want to fuck, but most men are totally ignorant of this, since they do not
understand how women communicate and do not know how to recognize and interpret
IOIs.
If a woman does not give you IOIs, or, worse, gives indicators that she is uninterested (finds excuses to be away from you, looks
away when you talk, etc.), that means she does not want to fuck you. In some cases you can turn around this lack of interest,
either with social proof from other women or with other attraction-building techniques, but it is usually a waste of time to try to fuck
a girl who does not want to fuck you. Just move on and find one that does.
One warning about IOIs... If it is a womans job to be nice to you, for example, she is a waitress or a stripper, you should not
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the other hand, if the two of you chat for a while, then she smiles and says Im really glad you came in here today and I got to
meet you, that is probably an IOI.
Also, in some rare cases women give fake IOIs. These appear to be normal IOIs (or exaggerated IOIs), but her real goal is to
manipulate you into doing something for her, instead of to have sex with you. This is pretty rare, though, and you shouldnt worry
about it. As long as you follow the rest of the advice below, she will quickly realize that you cannot be manipulated, and will either
leave or will become genuinely attracted to you.

2. Isolate
Once a woman has given you two or three IOIs, you should isolate her as soon as possible. It is almost impossible to build the
connection necessary to have sex when youre around a group of people. There are several reasons for this. First, other people are
likely to distract her and break her sexual state. Also, if her friends are around, they might get jealous and make her feel guilty for
wanting to fuck you. Finally, when it comes time to escalate kino, she might not feel comfortable kissing or touching you in front of
other people. So you need to isolate her.
It is usually easy to isolate a girl who is attracted to you. If you have met her in a bar or club, you can invite her to go sit with you
in another section of the bar, away from her and your friends. You can also invite her to go to another nearby bar or coffee shop
with you, or if she mentions any other nearby location, you can offer to take her there.
It is best to isolate her right away instead of messing around with phone numbers. However, if it is impossible for the two of you to
leave the group, you can get her phone number and plan to meet up some other time. This meeting should be something casual,
like getting drinks or coffee, and should never be a group date or any other situation where the two of you are distracted by other
people.
If she is giving you massive IOIs, and seems ready for sex right away, you should invite her over to your place or somewhere else
you can fuck her.

3. Escalate kino
In order to fuck you, and woman has to feel very comfortable touching you. The way you make her feel comfortable is by gradually
increasing the amount of kino (touching) between the two of you, always gauging her response to tell when she is ready to go
further. If she reacts with tension or withdrawal, she feels uncomfortable and you need to back up, but if she seems relaxed an
comfortable when you touch her, or returns your kino by touching you, then you can keep going.
There are various stages of kino you should take a woman through. As soon as she gives you a couple of IOIs, you can start doing
light kino like touching her on the shoulder. If this goes well, you can move to touching more sensitive areas like her hands, her
lower back, or her legs (if you are sitting down). Once you get to this stage, it is time to kiss her. Most guys make too big a deal
out of kissing. Once a girl has given IOIs and let you isolate her and do some light kino, kissing her is easy. Start with a little peck
on her cheek or her neck. Back up and give her time to react. Then give her another little peck. In the unlikely case that she objects
strongly or seems tense, you have gone too far. If she gives a more playful objection like Do you always kiss girls right after you
meet them? it is just a shit test (see below). Pass the shit test and keep going. Escalate until you are making out.
Make out for a while and have fun. Once you have been making out for twenty to thirty minutes, you can try to take her home and
fuck her. If she wont go, just keep making out with her and try again later. Be very sensual, lick her neck, kiss her lips, and play
with her hair. Women get really horny from this stuff.

4. Take her home and fuck her

Once you have been making out with a girl for a while, or she is giving you massive IOIs, it is time to take her home and fuck her.
When you invite her to your home, it is important that you provide an innocent excuse for her to go. This can be something simple
like, Would you like to come over and hang out for a while? or Do you want to come over and have a drink at my apartment?
You can also invite her over to look at something like pictures from a vacation you went on, your rock collection, or whatever. It
doesnt really matter what excuse you use. If shes ready to fuck you, shell agree.
A common misconception is that when a guy uses an excuse like this he is being deceptive and tricking a woman into going to his
apartment so he can take advantage of her. This is bullshit. All you are doing is providing an innocent excuse for her to go home
with you without feeling like a slut. It would be crude if you came right out and said, Lets go home and fuck. The whole idea of
tricking women into going back to your apartment is ridiculous. If you bring a girl to your apartment before she has communicated
through IOIs and kino that she is ready to fuck, she is not going to automatically have sex with you just because she is in your
apartment. You have to build the necessary connection first, so she wants to fuck you, then invite her over.
Once she is in your apartment, dont rush things. A good rule of thumb is to kiss her for at least twenty minutes before taking her
shirt off or anything else like that. If she objects to something you try, back up, and try again in about ten minutes. If she continues
to object, or seems really uncomfortable, you should send her home (in a nice way). If you dont fuck her the first time you get her
to your apartment, it is probably going to take several more meets since you lose some of your alpha status, but sometimes there is
nothing you can do about that.
In truth, ASF advice is of limited use once you get her to your bedroom. You do not want to be thinking about tactics or techniques
at lay time. The key is to stay very sensual and sexual, and get her so horny that she is dying to fuck you. At this point, you should
both be in a highly sexual state, and let instinct take over.

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B. How to avoid common stumbling blocks

1. Dont supplicate
These two sections discuss common stumbling blocks that can prevent you from getting laid. The first is supplication.
It is pathetic how deeply ingrained the concept of male supplication is in Western culture. Rock lyrics teach kids that Girls dont like
boys, girls like cars and money. (Newsflash: Women love men. When is the last time you saw an article on cars in Cosmo
magazine?) Hollywood churns out nauseating romantic comedies in which the supplicating beta male nice guy gets the woman in
the end. Medieval legends tell of knights fighting fire-breathing dragons just so they can marry a hot chick who got locked in a
tower. History books say that Sir Walter Raleigh threw his cape down in the mud so some uppity bitch wouldnt get her shoes dirty.
The list goes on. No wonder most men think the way to get a woman to like you is by complimenting her, buying her things, doing
her favors, and otherwise supplicating to her.
The truth is the exact opposite. Supplication makes you unattractive. Garbage pickup lines like Your father must have been a
thief, because he stole the stars and put them in your eyes and Let me check the tag on your shirt to see if you were made in
heaven are just about the worst thing you could say to a woman you want to fuck. Buying girls drinks or any other gift before you
fuck her is also a bad idea. Women want to fuck powerful, confident, alpha males who have their pick of sex partners. Buying a girl
gifts or complimenting her excessively communicates that you are a weak beta male, desperate for sex, and with nothing to offer
but money and insincere praise.
You should never take a woman out to a fancy dinner, or any other expensive date, before having sex with her. No matter what
your true motivations, she will think that you are trying to impress her, which makes you look like a weak, supplicating beta male.
Your pre-sex meets with girls should be for casual activities like coffee or drinks, and you should let her pay her share if she offers.
You should never buy her flowers before fucking her, and even after fucking her, only on rare occasions.
Do not pretend to be interested in a long-term committed relationship if that is not what you want. It is a common myth that
players trick women into having sex with them by pretending to be interested in marriage when all they really want is sex. The
truth is that only a pathetic, supplicating beta male would try something like that. You should not be ashamed of your desires as a
man. Women are attracted to alpha males who confidently and honestly communicate what they are looking for. Women like to fuck
too.
Finally, one of the most pathetic forms of supplication is continuing to show interest in a woman who is not showing interest in you.
If a girl does not return your phone calls, or comes up with excuses not to meet up with you, do not keep calling her or inviting her
to do things with you. If she is not interested in you, do not waste your time with her. Continuing to express interest only makes
you look more unattractive and desperate. Move on.
While you should avoid supplication, this doesnt mean you have to be a jerk. You should not insult women or otherwise mistreat
them. You can even do nice things, as long as you do them for the right reason. If the two of you are having fun together, and you
feel like getting a drink and buying her one too, its okay to offer. Then let her get the next round, just like you would with your
buddies. It is not okay, however, to buy her a drink in the hopes that this will impress her and she will sleep with you. (Women can
tell the difference.) Likewise, if she is being nice to you, and you feel like giving her a sincere compliment, its okay to do so. But it is
not okay to walk up to a girl and tell her she is beautiful, before she has shown any sign of interest, in the hopes that this will
somehow make her like you. Be sparing with your compliments, and if she fails to show appreciation by smiling or thanking you,
dont give her any more.

2. Pass shit tests

Women categorize men into two groups. The first is weak, beta males, who make good friends or possibly good providers, i.e.,
boyfriends or husbands who provide money and security but not good sex. The second group is powerful alpha males, who are good
for sex. If you supplicate to a woman, she will assume you are a beta male. But even if you do not, she will probably give you shit
tests to see whether you respond like an alpha or beta male.
Here are the three most common shit tests, along with sample beta and alpha responses to them:
Shit Test One (beta response)
Her: I have a boyfriend.
You: Oh, Im sorry, I didnt realize... Well, maybe we can just be friends.
Shit Test One (alpha response)
Her: I have a boyfriend.
You: I have a boyfriend too. And you know what he told me before I went out
tonight? He said, If you meet someone exciting, have a good time! I dont want
to hold you back. I think its wonderful that he is so open like that, dont
you? (said in a playful tone)
Shit Test Two (beta response)
Her: Im not having sex with you tonight.
You: Fine, then Im leaving! (gets angry and storms off)
Shit Test Two (alpha response)
Her: Im not having sex with you tonight.
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drinks together doesnt mean youre getting lucky. Stop trying to rush me into
something Im not ready for! (said in a playful tone)
Shit Test Three (beta response)
Her: Are you a player? / How many women have you done this with? / etc.
You: Oh no, Im not a player. I never do this kind of thing.
Shit Test Three (alpha response)
Her: Are you a player? / How many women have you done this with? / etc.
You: Yo yo yo, Im a true playa, dawg. / I lost count around 10,000 /
(otherwise escalate in a cocky-funny way that yes, you are more of a player
than Wilt Chamberlain)
These three shit tests are so common that you absolutely must be prepared for them. But women also give a whole range of other
shit tests that you cannot predict, so it is important to understand the principles behind how to respond to a shit test.
The first thing to realize is that shit tests are exactly that. They are bullshit. She is fucking with you to see how you respond, kind of
like athletes joke around with each other in the locker room after a game. Do not treat shit tests as logical questions or objections.
If your boss at work says, We cannot continue this project because the costs are too high, that is a serious objection and you
better respond in a logical way. (This is true even if your boss is a woman. Women are capable of being logical at work, just not in
personal relationships.) On the other hand, if a girl you are going to fuck says, I dont think were right for each other because we
have nothing in common, do not start struggling to think of things you have in common. Give a witty response if you have one, or
just smile and say, Yep, were complete opposites! Then continue as before, without worrying about her bullshit objections.
In addition to avoiding logical responses, you also want to avoid apologizing or getting angry. Apologizing for some bullshit
complaint she makes shows that you are weak, and getting angry shows that your self-image is so fragile that you place a lot of
weight on her opinion of you. Stay light-hearted. If you have a witty response to her shit test, that is best. Otherwise, you can
ignore it, or brush it off. They key is not to act like you care too much.
You should be aware that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish a shit test from a legitimate objection. For example, if you invite a
woman to your apartment and she says, I dont know you well enough, a good response is What do want to know about me?
That is a witty way to brush off her objection. But if she continues to go on about not feeling like she knows you, it could mean that
instead of this being a shit test, you really need to spend more time building rapport with her so she feels comfortable fucking you.
Its a judgment call.
When a woman gives you a shit test, you should consider this a good sign, since it means she is thinking about fucking you and
wants to make sure you are alpha.
However, if a girl gets out of control and gives you more than, say, five shit
tests in a short period, at that point shes just being a bitch, and you
probably want to move on to another girl.
****RESPONSE BY TYLER****
Very nice post man. Im quoting the whole thing for guys that are reading my archive (hope you dont mind dude). Definetely field
applied material man. Awesome.
A few side comments, just to add to it:

Beware the exception to the rule -> girls who prefer validation to sex. Some girls become interested as a direct result you of
appearing disinterested. As soon as you show interest, youre blown out.
Very playful shit test passing stuff, that is specific to girls who clearly want you. They dont slam her into screening mode, so
shes still chasing, but yet arent slamming her either, breaking her state (girls can be sensitive to any harsh treatment, when
theyve shown you interest).
Good distinction between laying a hard to get 10, and normal game. On this board we post alot on how to get the hardest
girls, but if you use these tactics on girls that want you, you will blow them out. You will appear either overqualified, or
insecure/sexually-unaware that you need to keep using sexual subcommunications, when she clearly already wants you. Game
is build to make value adjustments, and to increase emotional arousal. If this is already the case, you need not game. This
post focuses on how to play the scenario, and not making the common mistakes that will blow you out (this happens all the
time).
Id offer only one expansion on the post, which is that although a girl is clearly into you, her friends may STILL block her come
extraction time. At the same time though, wasting time disarming friends who were already cool with her leaving with you can
also blow you out. Being perceptive of who shes with is all it takes (take a quick glance), and if you see them looking upset at
whats going on (oh, Suzie is out of control again because shes drunk.. we have to save her), consider possibly disarming
them. At the same time, just because theyre upset doesnt mean theyll put a stop to it. Make the call and act.

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NOTES ON TONGUEDOWNS
There were some guys confused over how to convert attraction/trust into tonguedowns/phaseshifting, etc.. particularly within the
C&F context.
Aside from GWM (which I think is the best laid out description of a phase shift), here are a few comments that mesh well with the
C&F frame.
This stuff is useful for fools mate (if you want to get it on alot in the venue, and extract her based on horniness), or for solid game
you be the one to stop it and say wew.. OK thats enough before she can, so she still takes you seriously - not as a club makeout
guy. The reason I mention that is that if you dont extract same night, sometimes non-party girls will be less inclined to meet up
day2, with guys who they acted not like themselves around the night before. For me, I find that the more real and true to her
real self a girl is the night you meet, the less likely she to flake, because she doesnt feel weird having to live up to a personality
that only exists inside of a club. Then you get her act like that later when shes alone and its too late.
Anyway, guys have different tactics. Heres the stuff that I like to use. If guys have other ones, Id love to hear them.
A few moves:
1) Shoulder push / back turn around move:
When shes giggling hard, say go away or stop making me fall in love with you or awff!... (or) ooohh!.., etc etc (depending on
what the frame of your ongoing C&F stuff is), and do the following:
Push her right shoulder with your right hand, and then turn away to your left.
Its the same as a standard turn your back on her, except that you push her away then do it.
The move here is that youre pushing her with your right hand, and turning to your left, so its a natural movement (when you push
her with your right hand, your body turns left), and she is also pushed in the direction where shes still semi-facing you because of
how you pushed her, so shell be inclined to jump back on you.
What will happen (if you used it as a CraigSD220 style C&F Accentuator, where you use it at a point of high giggliness so shes not
logical), is that shell jump back on you reflexively.
This is like a magnet. You push, shell start grabbing you.
Its very similar to a stripper giving a lap dance, rubbing her breasts in the guys face, and then pushing him back in his chair. Like
shes SO CLOSE, but then she pushes him back. Or how they do it with their foot. They get so close, and then kick him back in his
chair. Like theyll grab the guys tie, and pull him close... then push him away.
2) Kino-ping escalation moves:
Girls will start increasing buying temperature (logic is being disengaged), and it will be obvious. They will do things like hitting you.
This is kino-pinging, and it escalates attraction.
Basically, either way until she hits you (its a tap, not hard) or pushes you, and then push her back. Shell usually push back harder.
Or, OTOH, if you sense that shell bite, do it to her first, and shell push back.
Something that Ive noticed is that you want to be the one to end the kino-pinging first. Sense the escalation, as she pings more
enthusiastically, and if it drops then you stop first and turn around to move away from her.
Again, stripper style shit. Very high sexual subcommunications going on with this kind of stuff. Its the kind of stuff that most girls
wished that guys knew, and the kind of stuff that gets them aroused fast. My girlfriend and I still do this stuff before we have sex,
and it decreases physical foreplay time drastically.
Of course, another word for this is playful.
3) Moving closer in move:
As you keep pushing her away, shell be trying to get closer and closer. Keep pushing her away, but shell try to get closer to you
progressively. Start talking like forehead to forehead, both smiling and its very sexual, moving back and forth a bit, pulling back but
she keeps the contact, and then you push forward. Keep up the STRIPPER frame of you cant have me even though Im so close
and baiting you, blah blah.
So maybe youve pushed her away, with hands off the merchandise, thatll be 30 bucks type stuff, or just pushing her away with
the whole shes a sexual predator type frame. Shes trying to get closer and closer to you, and you start smiling pushing her away
with your head or nose. Turn away once in a while, and shell keep trying to come back.
For an example, watch a good stripper in action, youll see how they do it.
Good strippers are very good at sexual subcommunication.

4) Triangular gazing + go in close + head tilt + takeaway move:

If youre not familiar with triangular gazing, I think its a very important concept. www.google.com triangular gazing, or read the
first chapter in Leil Lowdes How to make anyone fall in love with you (HORRIBLE book for game, but has great stuff on EC,

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triangular gazing, and useful stuff for the QUALIFY phase of a PU.. the whole book is basically how to qualify, so if thats an SP then
there could be useful info).
As for the takeaway thing, go in close, triangular gaze so shes licking her lips, tilt your head, go in, and push her away.
More stripper style stuff. Ramping attraction.
5)Physical push/pull:
With stuff like the spin-kiss, you can spin her and pull her in, and then push
her away. Or place your hands out palms up (shell ALWAYS take them if shes
into you), and then pull her in close, and tilt head, smile, look down at her
lips, and push her away. Or try taking one step back with one foot, placing
your arms in the air slowly (so she doesnt flinch) and open your fingers so
she can interlock them. If shes into you, shell place her hands in the air
and interlock her fingers with yours (if you are at a place in your game where
you dont get this reaction, then Id suggest that you are either too eager,
not playful enough, or not increasing buying temperature enough, because if a
girl is into you then it should be an automatic reaction that if you place your
hands out for her to take them, that she does.. same goes for jutting out your
arm for her to take it so you can extract). So once she has her hands in the
air with yours, and fingers interlocked, drop your hands in 180 half circles so
theyre down at the bottom now, and pull her in. If she says whats this?
say (credit Mys) thats the subtext (or subtitles, whatever).. were not
supposed to talk about it.. Then pull her in close, and push her away.

6) Cheek Move (from Croatian Badboy):

If you go in for tonguedown, and she dodges, run kisses off to the side of her mouth, like 5-10 from the side of her mouth, up to her
ear, and then BACK to her lips.
(make sense? this is hard to describe in text)
7) Keeping power position line, pre-emptively stealing her validation frame
(also from Croatian Badboy):
For some girls, once they kissed you they stop wanting you because theyve gotten the validation that you stole from them with the
C&F stuff.
To keep it, try You know, its not you.. I just like the feeling I get from this.. It makes me feel re-validated from a mean girl who
used me before.. like youre trying to do now.. go away, stop trying to make me fall in love with you.. blah blah type stuff.

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CONVERTING C&F INTO TOUNGUEDOWN

There were some guys confused over how to convert attraction/trust into tonguedowns/phaseshifting, etc.. particularly within the
C&F context.
Aside from GWM (which I think is the best laid out description of a phase shift), here are a few comments that mesh well with the
C&F frame.
This stuff is useful for fool's mate (if you want to get it on alot in the venue, and extract her based on horniness), or for solid game
you be the one to stop it and say "wew.. OK that's enough" before she can, so she still takes you seriously - not as a "club makeout
guy". The reason I mention that is that if you don't extract same night, sometimes non-party girls will be less inclined to meet up
day2, with guys who they acted "not like themselves" around the night before. For me, I find that the more "real" and "true to her
real self" a girl is the night you meet, the less likely she to flake, because she doesn't feel weird having to live up to a personality
that only exists inside of a club. Then you get her act like that later when she's alone and its too late.
Anyway, guys have different tactics. Here's the stuff that I like to use. If guys have other ones, I'd love to hear them.
A few moves:
1) Shoulder push / back turn around move:
When she's giggling hard, say "go away" or "stop making me fall in love with you" or "awff!... (or) ooohh!..", etc etc (depending on
what the frame of your ongoing C&F stuff is), and do the following:
Push her right shoulder with your right hand, and then turn away to your left.
It's the same as a standard "turn your back on her", except that you push her away then do it.
The move here is that you're pushing her with your right hand, and turning to your left, so its a natural movement (when you push
her with your right hand, your body turns left), and she is also pushed in the direction where she's still semi-facing you because of
how you pushed her, so she'll be inclined to jump back on you.
What will happen (if you used it as a CraigSD220 style C&F Accentuator, where you use it at a point of high giggliness so she's not
logical), is that she'll jump back on you reflexively.
This is like a magnet. You push, she'll start grabbing you.
It's very similar to a stripper giving a lap dance, rubbing her breasts in the guys' face, and then pushing him back in his chair. Like
she's SO CLOSE, but then she pushes him back. Or how they do it with their foot. They get so close, and then kick him back in his
chair. Like they'll grab the guy's tie, and pull him close... then push him away.
2) Kino-ping escalation moves:
Girls will start increasing buying temperature (logic is being disengaged), and it will be obvious. They will do things like hitting you.
This is kino-pinging, and it escalates attraction.
Basically, either way until she hits you (its a tap, not hard) or pushes you, and then push her back. She'll usually push back harder.
Or, OTOH, if you sense that she'll bite, do it to her first, and she'll push back.
Something that I've noticed is that you want to be the one to end the kino-pinging first. Sense the escalation, as she pings more
enthusiastically, and if it drops then you stop first and turn around to move away from her.
Again, stripper style shit. Very high sexual subcommunications going on with this kind of stuff. It's the kind of stuff that most girls
wished that guys knew, and the kind of stuff that gets them aroused fast. My girlfriend and I still do this stuff before we have sex,
and it decreases physical foreplay time drastically.
Of course, another word for this is "playful".
3) Moving closer in move: As you keep pushing her away, she'll be trying to get closer and closer. Keep pushing her away, but
she'll try to get closer to you progressively. Start talking like forehead to forehead, both smiling and its very sexual, moving back
and forth a bit, pulling back but she keeps the contact, and then you push forward. Keep up the STRIPPER frame of "you can't have
me even though I'm so close and baiting you, blah blah".
So maybe you've pushed her away, with "hands off the merchandise, that'll be 30 bucks" type stuff, or just pushing her away with
the whole she's a sexual predator type frame. She's trying to get closer and closer to you, and you start smiling pushing her away
with your head or nose. Turn away once in a while, and she'll keep trying to come back.
For an example, watch a good stripper in action, you'll see how they do it. Good strippers are very good at sexual
subcommunication.
4) Triangular gazing + go in close + head tilt + takeaway move:

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If you're not familiar with "triangular gazing", I think its a very important concept. www.google.com "triangular gazing", or read the
first chapter in Leil Lowdes "How to make anyone fall in love with you" (HORRIBLE book for game, but has great stuff on EC,
triangular gazing, and useful stuff for the QUALIFY phase of a PU.. the whole book is basically how to qualify, so if that's an SP then
there could be useful info).
As for the takeaway thing, go in close, triangular gaze so she's licking her lips, tilt your head, go in, and push her away.
More stripper style stuff. Ramping attraction.
5)Physical push/pull:
With stuff like the spin-kiss, you can spin her and pull her in, and then push her away. Or place your hands out palms up (she'll
ALWAYS take them if she's into you), and then pull her in close, and tilt head, smile, look down at her lips, and push her away. Or
try taking one step back with one foot, placing your arms in the air slowly (so she doesn't flinch) and open your fingers so she can
interlock them. If she's into you, she'll place her hands in the air and interlock her fingers with yours (if you are at a place in your
game where you don't get this reaction, then I'd suggest that you are either too eager, not playful enough, or not increasing buying
temperature enough, because if a girl is into you then it should be an automatic reaction that if you place your hands out for her to
take them, that she does.. same goes for jutting out your arm for her to take it so you can extract). So once she has her hands in
the air with yours, and fingers interlocked, drop your hands in 180 half circles so they're down at the bottom now, and pull her in. If
she says "what's this?" say (credit Mys) "that's the subtext (or subtitles, whatever).. we're not supposed to talk about it.." Then pull
her in close, and push her away.
6) Cheek Move (from Croatian Badboy):
If you go in for tonguedown, and she dodges, run kisses off to the side of her mouth, like 5-10 from the side of her mouth, up to her
ear, and then BACK to her lips. (make sense? this is hard to describe in text)
7) Keeping power position line, pre-emptively stealing her validation frame (also from Croatian Badboy):
For some girls, once they kissed you they stop wanting you because they've gotten the validation that you stole from them with the
C&F stuff.
To keep it, try "You know, its not you.. I just like the feeling I get from this.. It makes me feel re-validated from a mean girl who
used me before.. like you're trying to do now.. go away, stop trying to make me fall in love with you.. blah blah" type stuff.

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AFTER KISS CLOSING

This is after TWO MONTHS clubbing experience, and NO MORE. My word on this is NOT FIELD TESTED enough to draw CONCRETE
conclusions. These are just my impressions at THIS TIME, and may CHANGE.
OK, heres where I got this from:
My club game was originally so weak, it was sub-AFC no doubt.
Then, as I improved, Id start kiss-closing more regularly. Now in my mind, I thought a kiss close is GUARANTEED non-flake,
because the chick has to JUSTIFY having kissed you.. This was my strong belief, because in STREET SARGING, when you kiss a
chick within 20 minutes, she FALLS IN LOVE WITH YOU.
What happened next, though, was that I got a bunch of FLAKES. I couldnt BELIEVE IT. Id never been clubbing before, but I just
couldnt believe that chicks would actually FLAKE on a guy who they had such good chemistry with as to make out with in under 20
minutes. I was like WTF IS THIS SHIT??? THESE CHICKS ARE USING ME!!
If anyone recalls the fuckup report from Montreal, where the chick keeps kissing me and groping me, but wont let me close - THAT
was when I first started having THESE THOUGHTS. It was Wall_Street reply to me in that post, that CHANGED MY GAME so much.
After Wall_Streets reply, my strategy CHANGED, to NO KISS CLOSE.
The idea is this:

chicks LOVE foreplay

many chicks LOVE making out with different guys, EVERY WEEKEND

I realized this when chatting one of my pivots. I was talking about how I
kiss-closed these chicks using all this STRATEGY, and she LAUGHED AT ME.
She was like hahha.. if you wanna make out with a chick, just go up and make
out.. kissing a club chick is nothing to brag about.. as if you used all this
STRATEGY.. I make out with different guys EVERY WEEKEND.. you know what?? so
does x-girl, y-girl, z-girl (ALL who I thought were INNOCENT).. you think
youre so smart, but I bet these girls wont talk to you the next day.. they
GOT what they WANTED.. the ONLY guys who Ill hookup with down the line if I
met them in a club, are the ones who I had a REAL connection with, and didnt
just grope eachother like animals the whole night.. if I kiss a guy I know its
just a club-thing
I was like WTF is this shit??????
Of course, listening to a chick is usually NOT GOOD.. But in this particular case, what she said CONFORMED to the model of what Id
EXPERIENCED. It all made perfect sense to me, so I thought Id FIELD TEST a non-kissclose club game.
So from THEN ON, I used the HANDS OFF THE MERCHANDISE line, and REFUSED all kiss-closes. I focused on FIRST building
attraction, and SECOND building rapport.
I started getting girls CHASING me, and wondering WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WHO WONT LET ME TOUCH OR KISS HIM???
Theyd chase and chase, and try to # close ME. I was like HOLY SHIT, I had a chick # close **ME**.. WTF is going on here??? I
didnt think this was POSSIBLE..
And ALL of them wouldnt flake. Theyd LOVE me, and show up ON TIME, and all that shit.
The only FLAW with this, is that you PASS on MANY one-night-stand opportunities. Since Twentysix nor I are INTERESTED in one
night stand with club hoes, this method works PERFECT. Twentysix has YET to kiss-close in a club (other than the kiss-game which
is not the same), and he gets dates ALL THE TIME, with remarkably LOW flake-ratio.
My THEORY (as it is NOT field tested enough, and still just a THEORY), is that when you kiss-close, you SLOT yourself into the S-UB-C-A-T-E-G-O-R-Y of guys that the chick USES as kissy-face-buddies every weekend.
My THEORY is that kissing in a CLUB, is NOT ALPHA, because SO MANY Beta-males are CAPABLE of it, and do it REGULARLY. My
THEORY is that it is MORE ALPHA to make her WANT YOU SO BAD (as well as all the chicks AROUND her), and then tell her that she
cant have you unless its during the DAYTIME, since you arent interested in LITTLE FROLLICKY CLUB HOES. This could come across
like youre banging too many chicks ALREADY, or that you have STANDARDS, or WHATEVER. I dunno, its still a THEORY.
The ONLY way, is the way that COMMANDER ZAP suggested, which is to get DEEP RAPPORT and go BEYOND IT. For me, when I
kiss-close now, I go into DAMAGE CONTROL. ALL I am thinking is how to FRAME this as NOT just a club-thing, and that it DOES
deserve to be CONTINUED. I talk about how I dont want to meet, and get her to convince me. Then I talk about how maybe she
IS right, and we shouldnt let SOCIAL RESTRICTIONS dictate that a club hookup isnt a REAL connection, just because people
STEREOTYPE it like that.
Again, NOT THOROUGHLY FIELD TESTED YET. Probably more field tested than 90% of what goes around the board, but STILL not
field tested enough.
Id like guys to THINK about it and to give me your THOUGHTS, but not to take it seriously just yet. It needs more testing by
somebody with BETTER club game than mine.
Now for guys like Mystery and Style, this shit may not apply, because their game is SO TIGHT. For for the intermediate level guys,
it may be something to consider. All that I can report is that it WORKS for Twentysix and I.

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DISARMING LMR
1. Steal her frame: If you think shes getting worried, stop BEFORE HER, and say things like, You know, Im getting the feeling that
we should pause for a moment and talk or comment on how its all going so fast for you.
2. The classic, that is in all the recent lay reports: Keep agreeing,
but moving forward and pacing. Youre right, I shouldnt be
unbuttoning your pants right now Its so bad Im making you feel so
good
3. Rikers Three Rules (do you use these? do you have a good script for them?)
4. Mystery turn-off: In bed, if she wont let you do something twice, respond casually-without anger. Turn on light, turn off music,
watch a cartoon. If she asks whats up, say, Ever since I was a kid, the idea of no has been the biggest turn-off. I just lose
everthing. Its really no problem-we can just be friends. I dont want to. If you want, you can tell a story here about how in sixth
grade a friend taught you a trick, and you went to a girl in class and said, I bet I can make your breats move without touching
them. Then you bobbled them, and said I lose. You got into such big trouble, the principle even hit you and then suspeneded you
and called your parents. So you really respect boundaries now, and when a girl says no, you assume that she means no, and just
shut down. Its no big deal. Thats just the way you are.
Now, after this, either she will come to you and reinitiate or you can
come to her. Try even being direct: if, for example, she wont take
off her shirt, say, Get onyour knees...lift your arms and just take
off her shirt
If you get rejection a second time, say, Im an adulteither were
going to be happy, maybe even have sex, or we can play chess.
It is scary to do this, but at least in America, Ive never found it
not to work. Try experimenting by just turning off and rolling over
when you get resistance, youll see that she will return to you.
5. I HAVE NOT USED THIS ONE YET. IT IS NEW. FROM CLIFFS FRIEND DAVID. BUT IT IS ALSO GENIUS. Early in the
relationship,he asks the HB about what her rules are, he gets her to ratify that she is spontaneous, that she follows her feelings, etc.
He is laying traps so that if she resists later, she is then in the position of contradicting what she has already told you. Then, when
facing LMR, he will say, Excuse me, I didnt get a copy. HB: What? PUA: A copy of your rules. Fax them to me and Ill decide if I
want to see you again. Then you trigger the traps you have set: I thought you were spontaneous. I thought you did what you
wanted. Were you lying to me? Other traps involve getting her to ratify that shes her own indpendent person, and not dependent
on family and friends for decisions, and that you wont judge each other by past experiences with anyone else.
Yes,
they want sex with you. But, you have to first take care of that
internal anti-slut defense voice they have. So you develop a pretext
that they can use to convince that anti-slut voice that its okay.
Make a list of your PRETEXTS. Then seed them into the conversation
early, before shes DDB. That way, it seems only natural to go back to
your place to HEAR THAT CD or BORROW THAT BOOK or GET THAT TAROT
READING or PLAY WITH YOUR KITTENS or SMOKE THAT PCP or whatever youve
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MORE ON DISARMING LMR

aight..
Heres the dizzy-dizeeels on LMR.. This is true shit yo!
LMR:
If you get REAL-LMR, its probably cause you dont have sufficient rapport. (OR you are a LAMEASS with ZERO attraction, cause
chicks dig sex, and they probably wouldnt have ISOLATED themselves with you unless they were attracted, so the DEFICIENCY is
RAPPORT/TRUST.. again, unless you are SUCH a lame-ass that it wouldnt have even OCCURED to the chick that youd try anything,
in which case none of this or anything else applies, cause you have alot of work to do on fundamentals)
If youve got TOKEN LMR, then its just some shit youve gotta forget about.. read Maniac_Highs nMP for dat tight shit..
LMR-TACTICS (mys):
1) agree, up foreplay
2) freezeout
3) Rikers 3 rules

1) agree, up foreplay:
CHICK: we shouldnt be doing this..
PUA: youre right.. we shouldnt be doing this.. (then continue with
foreplay)..
WHY?
Read MANIAC_HIGHs 2 BRAINS THEORY.. The chicks logical brain is telling her dont be a slut.. if you answer with AGREEMENT, it
DISENGAGES the chicks logical brain, and her body takes over.. and her body is LIKING it, cause the endorphins and shit shes
getting are fucken SWEET..
2) THE FREEZEOUT EXPLAINED:
Wanna get FROZEN OUT??
Trust me, go do this shit, and youll FEEL what its like.
Hit up the local strip club and get a LAP DANCE.. I got one of these in Toronto last year at this place called THE BRASS RAIL, and
the chick was all up in my shit.. feeling me up.. all that shit..
Then she said songs over.. want another dance?
I said nope, and she GETS UP, TURNS AROUND, and WALKS AWAY.. she wont even answer my questions or make small talk or
even look me in the eye.. TOTAL FREEZE OUT.
Check this out to see how its done. MONEY SHIT. Those strippers have it down TIGHT.
I felt like shit.. I didnt even want another dance, but I was feeling like hey, at least talk to me as we walk out.. youre being so
cold! WTF is this???
Seriously, as lame as it was (I was AFC, leave me alone!) it actually made me feel BAD.. like REALLY BAD.. I could feel it..
WHY?
Cause that stripper-ho FROZE MY ASS OUT.. She did FULL TAKEAWAY of ALL attention.. BANNED from the garden of eden.. bye-bye
TD you little bitch.. you dont do what I want, youre FROZEN OUT..
Want back into the golden gates then PAY UP you mark-bitch!
So how do we use this shit on chicks IN REVERSE??
Oh man, this shit is EASY.. and its fucken EFFECTIVE..
If you already tried just agreeing and upping foreplay, and shes still saying no (even though shes in your house), then its FREEZE
OUT TIME.
Thats like what Mystery says when he plays checkers.
You just go watch TV, and shell come over after a minute of two like whats wrong (hahah like WTF do you think??? Im a GUY)
KEYS:

dont make affectionate eye-contact with her (think back to when you let someone down how they looked at you to be passive
aggressive)
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show disinterested bodylanguage (think back to like when you tried to pickup really hot chicks in clubs when you roll in on them
with no social proof.. what does their bodylanguage look like?)
stiff body when she touches you.. show discomfort with her touching you without saying it (think to when your girlfriend pissed
you off, and you decided to punish her.. and she came over and pouted but you wouldnt be nice to her)

Then if she starts kissing you again, just get it on on the couch and try to
stick it in her there before moving her, cause if you directly just pick her up
back to the bed shell come out of state..
REMEMBER this shit is all STATE-BASED..
TIME the freezeout CORRECTLY.. this is hard to explain over the internet, but once youve tried freezing out like 5-10 chicks youll
have the hang of it like a sixth sense..

3) RIKERS 3 RULES:
I first thought this shit was stupid, but then I tried it and its pure $$$..
Rikers rules are:
1) I always wear a condom.
2) This is something that we BOTH want to do.
3) We wont look back on this tommorow with any regrets.
Now after it worked on this one chick who was putting up the mad-LMRzzz I broke
it down to myself on why it worked.
See, I figure that it addresses ALL the chicks concerns..
1) = addresses: she wont have STDs (and you dont have them cause you ALWAYS
use condoms, so even if shes just making you it doesnt matter since you
always use them), and wont get her pregnant
2) = addresses: (besides the embedded command which I dont give a shit about
that) its a CHOICE.. like its a sort of FRAME.. it makes it more mature, like
consenting-adults kind of thing.. its something we both want.. its kinda got
that ring to it.. its under control
3) = addresses: anti-slut-defense.. chicks are worried theyll REGRET it.. but framed like this, its all good.. youre also kinda
IMPLYING that you wont ditch her ass the next day, even though you never said it..
TIMING:
The timing between the freeze-out and the Rikers 3 rules is key..
If you do the freezeout, the chick will usually come over to the couch and all that shit.. so youve gotta play it JUST RIGHT..
Cause shell come over to the couch, all in this i just wanna talk mood.. JUST LIKE when I just wanted the stripper to talk to me
as we walked out of the booth.. I didnt really want another dance, but I just wanted SOME attention from the person who I had a
perceived bond with in my head..
So when you freeze the chick out, she comes back and really just wants to talk.. Not really so much to fuck, necessarily..
But if you ASSUME THE SALE, and just run the Rikers 3 rules as sort of the first thing you say as you start stroking her, then:
1- she is STUCK in the sex frame.. no sex = freezeout continues
2- rather than just trying YET AGAIN to fuck her, youre ADDRESSING WHAT WAS
PREVENTING IT before continuing to push her..
So anyway, this shit is all just timing...
DO NOT break out the BIG GUNS without trying #1 (agree, continue foreplay)
FIRST..
LIKEWISE, if the chick comes over to the couch and starts unzipping your pants, dont bust out the Rikers shit..
But shes only gonna go down HARD, then bust out all three with PROPER TIMING, and its RARE that a chick who dug you enough to
isolate herself with you will not want to have sex.
Just remember though, that like I wrote up top, RAPPORT is the KEY LMR-destroyer. So avoid ALL THIS if you can through SOLID
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AFTERBAR LATENIGHT FOOLS MATING TECH

I talk about solid game a lot in my posts, because it interests me and because its what's necessary to avoid the player trap for the
rest of our lives. But at the same time, I do fool's mates (same night lays within around 3-5 hours) weekly. Lately, its been nightly.
Our routine is that if we don't pull, we go down to the all night diner and pull girls out. The difference between this and a normal set,
is that you have to convince the girls to come home with you within about 10 minutes of meeting them. Sounds tricky, but really its
quite easy.
This is how I have done fool's mates several times a week, for the last while. It's my personal style that is getting me these results,
and other guys have their own styles. A few guidelines for how I personally do it:
-don't worry about Qualification phase stuff.. just PLOW them with high octane C&F material, so they become so disassociative that
they can't think straight. Use the little sisters stuff, neighbours stuff (btw, addition to neighbours routine is to say you'll come over
and borrow eggs or sugar), PVC Devil outfit, best friends, Taco Bell feed the world to save them from terrorism, South Park Routine,
you and I would not get along, etc etc etc...
-oversell something you have at your house.. "we're going to check out x-thing.. its AWESOME.. its SO COOL.. you HAVE TO SEE
IT.." Oversell the fuck out of it, to disarm ASD. Do this on high points.
-Use drunken pull style routines. Let her walk ahead, and then grab her and pull her back. Tickle her. Pick her up over your
shoulder. Make stupid animal noises right in her face so she's giggling. Like as in "oink oink.. moooo.. ruff ruff... MEEEEOWWW.."
Yell funny stuff at her accusing her of things.. Say "you're funny", and "you are super fiesty" over and over.. "you're little player
girls.. go away player girls.." Talk in gibberish right into their ears in funny ways. Make C&F roleplays that make no sense at all, like
you're mischievous little muschins.. Keep her laughing for the 10 minutes it will take you to get her home or to your car.
-walk in french armlock, which is easy to get because you already said she's your little sister and you'd walk arm in arm down the
street in NYC, and every girl would be jealous of her.
-if they freak out, either go full rapport mode and say "Hey, if you're not feeling totally comfortable, I'll catch you later.. its all cool...
totally, its all cool.." or just pump more buying temperature, or do freeze outs and withdraw rapport and go dead silent.
OK, now what will happen is that the girls become very disassociative from this. The second one girl is ready to go, just pull her
right there and your wing's girl will have to come along for the ride. Tell your girl to scream at her to come, and to not let her ruin
the fun the two of you will have because the thing you're doing is AWESOME. And they'll get back to your place, and now you have
to let them calm down. This sucks, because you have played improper game by pumping them up so much. Keep the stimulation
going, but slow it down more and more. Then regulate it back down to normal, but keep the interaction charged in the same way
that you would on a day2.
I find the absolute best way to calm girls down without losing state is to go into teaching style IVDs. Like I teach girls the trust-test,
or Cs vs Us, or Style's EV, or anything about social dynamics like how to tell if someone is lying or why people interaction in different
ways because of different stimulus', or the CUBE, or palmreading if you know it (I don't yet, but want to start using Toecutter's
Palmreading routine).
From there, you can start getting her qualifying herself to you, by talking about shit that you hate about girls. I'll post a separate
thread on this. Then get her talking both with the CURIOUSITY frame that I posted about early, or just plowing stories and making
her tell you her stories.
Use 1 minute high octane stories spurratically, every five or ten minutes to ensure that the buying temp stays pumped. By high
stories, I mean stuff like the badass kid story, that you would normally use early in a set to get them all giggly.
About 15 minutes in, you'll usually make out. I do this by sitting beside her, and continually keeping eye contact and pushing in for
the kiss closer and closer. I also pull back on high notes especially if she says something wrong and I bust her on it. I also pull back
if I'm just thinking about something intense, so she can FEEL that I am not sold on her yet. I go in for the kiss eventually, and if
they won't give it I'll either force it by saying "Shhhh.. hey.. shhhh..". I also sometimes try and so long as she doesn't move away
from me, I continually do triangular gazing, and playfully accuse her of trying to make me lose focus (as in she's turning me on)
until eventually we make out.
This is so key. I continually throw out stuff I don't like when girls do, so they qualify themselves to me that they aren't like that, and
to convey that I have standards. I also disagree with some things that they are saying, in a way where its easy for them to change
their position. So in other words, I disagree with it in a way that they can clarify that I really think what they think. This conveys
that I was willing to disagree, even though we didn't actually disagree.
I have a digital camera, which is what I use for bedroom extraction. I say "Check this out" and bring them in and show them the
pictures, some of which include HOT ex-girlfriends of mine to intimidate them.
From there its standard late game, which I have posted about at length in other posts.
Anyway, this is a basic formula that I use repeatedly to pull girls at latenight. I hope you guys get good mileage out of it.

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BOYFRIEND DESTROYER
I see that some of the PUAs of the group have been putting out some interesting material lately (BREAKBEAT GOLD CLUBBING, and
GUNWITCHs new stuff that I am proofreading right now for grammar), and I appreciated this stuff and I felt compelled to put out
some of my good stuff, to follow suit.
Thinking about my situation this week with my ex-GF, and how I will certainly be doing some BFdestroying very soon, I thought that
the bros. might be interested in having a look at my potent and thoroughly field tested BFdestroying techniques. (Id better get
some good replies on that email help I asked for guys, its actually important to me). I want to add, that I see nothing wrong in
attempting to BFdestroy a relationship, because it can hardly be a good relationship if some dude she just met was so easily able to
break it up. In the case of a marriage with young children, however, I might not be inclined to use this stuff. Comments always
welcome.
My potent BF Destroying routine, in all its evil glory:
I have used this for 5 years, and seen if work effectively for both myself and for friends who ask me to BFdestroy on chicks that
they want to get with. I have seen this work on all forms of commitment (marriage, engaged, BF/GF, FB that shes attached to).
This stuff is more geared towards prompting an actual breakup, than a ONS (though its worked WELL for ONS also in -manycases). Ive read MrSEX4uNYCs stuff on that, and its all you need. So if youre just trying to make yourself sexually available to
commited chicks who you sense want you anyway, this stuff is hardly necessary. In that case, just do a ctrl-f search for boyfriend
in NYCs archive, and youre golden. For HBs in satisfying relationships (ie:
getting sexed well, getting emotional nurturing, guy is challenging yet fair) that is your only option, as no amount of BFdestroying
will do shit.

Background - a few things to remember:

1)
2)
3)
4)

5)

6)

When BFdestroying you walk a tightrope between evoking too many bad feelings and having them anchoured to you, and
getting the chick to want to dump her BF. Dont forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some other dude
to enjoy.
It is preferable that you dont make it appear that you want her to dump her boyfriend. Rather, make the idea appear to be
something from within her (more of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing).
While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her
work it out of you, because shes worked up, and wants to know if shes got a fair deal or not.
You must REFRAME all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour.
Even behaviour that -WE- as ASFers would use on girls (such as not agreeing to LTR) is to be REFRAMED as being nice guy
behaviour, as someone who is too afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too afraid that they will
lose it once theyve been emotionally vulnerable (as will be explained below). All behaviour can be REFRAMED.
By making the guy look like a NICE GUY, you are making him the most sexually unappealing guy conceivable. Once youve
done this, there is NOTHING that he can do to get back into her good books, as youve put him into a predicament where
anything that he does will be interpreted by his GF as being insecure. So, if hes too distant, and he makes up for it by buying
her flowers -> hes insecure. If hes too needy, and he makes up for it by getting a life -> hes insecure. You are trying to
DIFFUSE his outer glossy shell, and give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears mysterious in
any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for
him.
Rather than re-explaining EVing, Ill just quote some MrSEX4uNYC archive, to give the basic frame that youre working with
WHILE you are using the stuff that Im mentioning. Without using this at the same time, my shit is USELESS:
A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good, what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you?
This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to
demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about
yourself dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles herself. This stuff seeps in and makes her think
of you as her type without you even complimenting her once. (MrSEX4uNYC)

The tactic:
What youre looking to do here is tear the guy down to a NICE GUY, while making it look like youre actually STICKING UP FOR HIM!
Your goal is to make him one of those guys that a girl would go out on a date with, like as a person, and feel bad for having to LJBF
at the end of the night when he tries to kiss her at the door.
So how do you do that? Almost invariably, LTRs have certain problems (which any of you whove had LTRs are morbidly familiar
with):

jealousy related spats (KEY)

neediness
failure to commit or being too distant
abusive behaviour (be it physical or mental)
psychological withdrawal, to gain certainty in the relationship (ie: in LTRs each party will withdraw to see if the other will pursue
periodically, to assure themselves that the LTR is solid.. this is dimestore psychology, and easily observable in any relationship)
being irresponsible (not holding up share of chores, etc.)
not being assertive in bed (KEY)

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being into S&M and other stuff in bed, that the girl thinks is too far out
getting angry/frustrated when he initiates sex, and girl is not in the mood (KEY)
being too predictable, not passionate

OK, there are some basic ones. I will now break these down to show you how I would roughly respond to any of these complaints,
in a way that I appear to be sticking up for the BF, but am inadvertantly BFdestroying him. This is not the sum total of the routine,
but simply the raw fuel that you are employing, while using standard ASF kino/bodylanguage/tonality etc. Remember, that you may
not necessarily want to start escalating your sexual state, until she is convinced that her BF is lame-ass, otherwise she may
potentially realize that you are trying to pull one over on her. This is not the rule, but simply something to be considered based on
your evaluation of the circumstance.
Jealousy:
You have to understand that this guy really appreciates you, because youre probably the best girl that he ever got, or ever will get.
I know that... you care about this guy (maybe sp)... but theres just a certain equilibrium where if youve done this guy a favour by
being with him and hes not equipped to handle it, since he knows that hell never get a girl like you again if he walks out, that hes
just constantly frustrated and panicked that youll leave. Its not his fault.
Neediness:
Youve got to understand that for this guy you are his entire world. He cares about you so much, that everything else in the world
is meaningless to him. You are his only source of pleasure, and without you he knows that...hes nothing. You cant blame him, he
just doesnt have anything else going for him, so he needs you.
Failure to commit:
Its not that this guy doesnt love you. He does. Its just that deep down he has a fear that... youre too good for him... and that
youll realize it and be like, you know....you just have to dump this guy.... and then hell be left emotionally destroyed because he
made himself vulnerable. Yes yes I know that you wouldnt do that to him, but its just that with (x,y,z into consideration - bring up
imbalance struck earlier in the convo) he knows that you could get other guys (SP)...like me...I just think that hes not an
emotionally secure person, and youve gotta cut him some slack.
Abusive behaviour:
Its not that this guy doesnt love you. Its that he loves you too much, and just cant handle it. Hes not emotionally available, and
because he knows that youre the best hes ever had, he cant handle all of these things that hes going through emotionally. All his
life he probably wasnt very good with women, and women werent interested in him.. So now that hes got this girl, he doesnt
know how to handle it. (plus use the he doesnt want to be emotionally vulnerable, because hes such a loser ass that he cant
handle it as per above etc.)
Periodic Psychological Withdrawal:
(use combinations from material Ive written.. Rather than downplaying it for the perfectly normal behaviour that it is, magnify it
by making it appear to be a sign of insecurity, that is typically displayed when nice guys who cant get girls get stuck into a
relationship with a girl that is too good for them)
Being Irresponsible:
Its not that this guy doesnt -want- to do these things. Its just that hes so overwhelmed by all of the things that are going on,
that he just cant keep up these responsibilities. Yes yes, I know that x,y,z arent that much, but hes not in an emotionally healthy
place right now, and he just cant handle it (you mirror this against yourself, the image of a REAL/STRONG/COMPETENT man,
basically trying to make him seem like a little boy)
Not being assertive in bed (THIS IS KEY, AND IS VERY OFTEN THE BEST ONE TO USE - VERY COMMON)
Its not that he doesnt want to excite you. Its just that hes so overwhelmed being with a girl like you, that hes not equipped to
handle your sexual needs. Its like the typical case of the rich daughter who marries the labourer. At first the labourer is so exstatic
to have this gorgeous girl (point to her) wanting him.. But in the end, he cheats on her with some white trash mullet haired girl,
because he knows that thats who he really belongs with, and thats who makes him feel good about himself. You shouldnt hold his
lack of assertiveness in bed against him, because its just a reflection of his insecurity. With the right girl, any guy can be a stud in
the sack .. its not hard, you just have to take CONTROL (perhaps show some controlling kino here, to get her turned on). then
transition to some HOT sex talk, where you inadvertantly spill how much you need to take control in bed.
Guy into weird stuff in bed (S&M etc) when she hates it:
Its not that this guy doesnt love you.. Its just that he uses these things to objectify you, because he knows that hes never had a
girl like you, and probably never will once youre gone.. so he doesnt want to make love, because he doesnt want to make
himself emotionally vulnerable to you.. but he still wants sex, so he has to turn it into a perverse game, to keep his insecurities
from overwhelming him
Guy gets angry when he initiates sex and shes not interested (ANOTHER KEY ONE TO PECK AT.. VERY COMMON)
The thing is, that this guy loves you, and hes just exasperated that.... hes completely impotent to turn you on.. he just cant turn
you on, and he knows that, so he gets frustrated.. Its like when you want to have sex...withme.....its like, I know that its your job
to get the girl turned on. Girls need a man who knows that they want, and how to get it. When a girl says no, but at the same
time she loves this guy (sp), it often means please turn me on more.. please, I want you to be more attentive to me.. (this totally
mindfucks the girl, as it is an EXTREMELY COMMON part of the LTR cycle, that once sex becomes stagnant -> foreplay nearly
ceases. Because chemically women are addicted to OXITOCINS which are released by touch, and it is more testosterone that they
get from sex, most women will hate sex once it degrades to a lack of foreplay. However, most LTRs have this problem, so you must
exploit it.. Im ceasely amazed by how much girls in LTRs PERK RIGHT UP the second that you imply that youre attentive even in
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Being too predictable, not passionate:
Its not that this guy doesnt love you. He does. Its just that hes so comfortable with you now.. and feels so close to you, that
youre more like a sister to him.. Like a special sister, but someone who he doesnt feel that he has to do all these things for
anymore, because your relationship is so secure and so predictable.. theres no need for all that excitement, because he knows that
nothing will change.. Some guys deal with true love that way.. I dunno, for me, I think that if you really love someone, you have to
do x,y,z (established earlier in convo) to keep it fresh. Like if you are really a real man who loves his woman, you have to do x,y,z
to keep it fresh. But really, its not that he doesnt love you, its just that he loves you so much that he doesnt see the need.
***So, remember that you are focusing on destroying the guys sexual appeal, by making him seem too familiar, and easy to
understand. People generally get one-itis for those who are challenging and hard to understand. By making the BF seem both easy
to understand, and very insecure/nice/beta in the meantime, the relationship will likely not last the week.
Just remember not to be the LJBF who counsels her on her problems. Instead,
you are constantly getting her worked up by doing the EVing that MrSEX4uNYC
discusses in his archive. Ideally, she must be getting both turned off the guy
by what youre doing, and getting turned on by YOU, and the conversation
NATURALLY LEADS TO HOW YOU ARE DIFFERENT, AND -IDEAL- FOR WHAT SHE WANTS. The
natural flow of conversation must indirectly lead to exposing your highly desirable qualities.
She is getting turned on by the DIRECT CONTRAST between you and her boyfriend. You do not offer your qualities directly, but
highlight them by pointing out that you understand where her BFs negative qualities are insecure. Getting her to beg you to tell her
how you treat women is all the better, and if it is going well can likely be expected. Act reluctant to tell her if necessary, though not
to the extent that you are sending an SOI that her getting with you is not a program that youre down with.
Once you have her worked up, use standard ASF material to move in, and its a done deal.
*********ADD TO BF DESTROYING*********
1)
Never prod the HB that youre PUing to talk about her BF.
2)
Ideally, it should come up as LMR, while youre beginning to apply kino. If you are the kind of PUA who pries for these
facts about her relationship status, you are probably not doing things quite right (IMHO).
3)
When it does come up (ie. take your hand off my tit, I have a BF! ... lol, well not quite, but you get the drift) that is the
time to address it. Your sarge should always be moving forward, BFdestruction is a temporary pause, but dont make it the essence
of the sarge.
3b) Now, sometimes it comes up before you have applied kino. Read LOVEDROPs
fucking MINDBLOWING 8 reasons that she mentions BF, from the ASF FAQ. Keep
those in mind, as they must always be considered. Addressing the BF issue is
sometimes a mistake, as she may want to fuck you regardless. So dont get
ASF-infooverload. Keep her mind away from the topic, until you cant avoid it.
Then use this stuff.
4)
As I mentioned, you MUST be careful not to fall into therapist LJBF zone. I have fucked up here many times in the past.
Sometimes, I have wound up convincing the HB, but getting her kinda pissed at me. Winning the battle, losing the war :( ... BUT,
then a few months later, she wants it from me.. so who knows. But, I dont think that this is ideal for FAST seduction.
5)
If she doesnt have any probs with her BF, this stuff is probably not going to break her up with him. Sorry. In a FRESH
LTR, theres usually little hope of breaking up any girl with any sense of class (I know, social labels, but you see what I mean..
contrasting white trash girls, who will fuck any alpha guy).
6)
Most LTRs, however, do have these problems. So, try to use the Im sticking up for you BF style, to get it to come up,
should it be necessary. Key in on her smallest comment, and peak her interest by doing the indirect CONTRASTING of your
alphaness to his betaness thing that I mentioned in the post. The key is to make her work it out of you, with an offhanded
comment that peaks her interest.
7)
This stuff is good (fieldtested), but its not foolproof. Its something for your arsenal, but not the be-all-end-all. Try
topping it off with an RJ BFdestroyer... I havent tried that yet, but who knows?
MORE BOREFRIEND DESTOYER SHIT
Actually before I start, as the bros have always said, the VERY BEST Boyfriend Destroyer is just to SEDUCE HER and FUCK HER. So
this stuff is just extra ammunition.
BACKGROUND/THEORY:
girls may have all these rules and games they play, but at the end of they day they will cheat FASTER and with LESS GUILT then
men do. Me, if Im in an long term relationship, my word is BOND. I will cheat for NOTHING, because I wont abuse of a trust. But a
chick, YEAH RIGHT!! :)..... From what I can tell after reading some of my pivots Feminist Lit, its often based on RESENTMENT for
NEEDING support from their beta/provider guy. There are exceptional women of course, but Im making sweeping generalizations
here since this is an internet-post.
chicks have this weird thing, where they separate beta/provider with alpha/seducer.. So the majority of them (statistically) are with
beta/provider archetypes. If you present yourself as a the kind of guy who is just the fantasy or whatever, shell cheat.
Its like girls who have boyfriends - theyll almost ALWAYS get it on with
another girl if the opportunity arises and theyre curious, because its a
FANTASY and not cheating..
my old pre-ASF LTR who I stole from her boyfriend - I elicited from her that she likes ROUGH DOMINANT SEX.. So when I had her
alone, I started upping kino and dominating her.. She cheated NO QUESTION, and complained about how its just NOT FAIR that
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me the next day. Eventually she cracked and became my LTR, even though she HATED me as a person since I gave her so little
attention, but was simply to drawn to me. (this she told me after we broke up)
SHE COMES FROM THE FRAME THAT HER BETA NICEGUY BOYFRIEND IS LUCKY THAT SHE
WOULD STAY WITH HIM, AND THAT HE SHOULD BE APPRECIATIVE THAT SHE GETS HER
FANTASIES TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT HER DUMPING HIM ALL TOGETHER
HES REALLY NICE, AND HE LOVES ME.

TACTICS/PRACTICAL:
alright, the BEST SHIT for presenting yourself as her FANTASY basically plays off where my old BFDestroyer material left off..
1)
Go to the bookstore, and skim through the book NANCY FRIDAY MY SECRET GARDEN. This is PRIMO FODDER to get your
mind wrapped around how FUCKED UP the repressed female sexuality is. Just do it. NOW. :) (seriously though, its wicked fodder,
just check it out, its a cheap book and not long)
Be warned that this book is seriously fucked up, and may change your
perspective on women if youve never encountered anything similar before. When
EDDY reads it, hell freak out and yell WTF.. WTF??? and THROW the book
across the room in DISGUST.. Hes thrown that damned book like 30 times since
buying it.
2)
When youre with chicks, play it up like you UNDERSTAND and are NON-JUDGEMENTAL to their desires. Do this SUBTLEY,
or you will come off try-hard or needy or attention-whore. As you can read in The Sexual Key, women are drawn to insights about
their inner potentials and hidden depths. So when you discuss this, they are FASCINATED, because its the same effect as
palmreading or the CUBE. You are telling them things about THEMSELVES, so its very SIMILAR to a COLD READING.
3)

Some wicked fodder includes routines like (I got the base for these ideas from other people, but do them in my own style):

BEING IN TOUCH WITH YOUR TRUE BISEXUAL NATURE ROUTINE:

its fascinating though.. because people in society have so many hangups
(hangups is a WICKED word, btw, when discussing sexuality. USE IT, it is
PRIMO SHIT) about all this different shit.. like theyre trying to categorize
people and all that.. its funny, like, these psychologists.. they this
incredible study where it was like, they took pornography, and showed it to men
and women.. and they showed them 3 things
1men and men having sex
2men and women having sex
3women and women having sex
Now then gay men of course liked the man on man. And the straight guys liked
the men with women, and of course they liked the chicks with chicks too
(theyll shit test you for this, and you make NO EXCUSES for liking woman on
woman porn.. you just slyly smile and keep going)..
But what was most fascinating, was women....... of course women liked watching intimacy between a woman and a man.. but what
was surprising was that 80% of women also felt aroused by watching a woman with another woman (girls will all go yeah I could
see that - except uptight girls usually)...
So the thing is, its not really whether or not women are bisexual or like DYKES or some label like that.. but its more like... you
know.. the inner essence of the woman is just THERE.. and its HOW IN TOUCH she is with it, and how AWARE of it she is thats the
variable..
(another great aspect of this, is that if they sense your PUA vibe, they know that you can provide a 3-some for them, while their
beta AFC BF cannot PU girls to participate in that with them)
WOMEN ARE SO OPPRESSED BY SOCIETY, AND ARE SO CONFUSED - RAPE FANTASY ROUTINE:
(INSERT A VARIATION OF NATURAL WOMAN PATTERN HERE, BUT A SHORTER VERSION THAT JUST CUTS TO THE MEAT).. so the
thing is, its like, girls can sometimes just have fantasies like that are totally different from what they -really- want, but still maybe
wish that their guys could go with them.. Like theres just so many constraints imposed by society.. and its like, alot of girls can
have fantasies about being taken.. sortoff almost like rape fantasies, where its like not necessarily some scary creepy guy, and
obviously they dont want that to actually happen.. but like, just that fantasy about being taken and having it totally not in your
own control, and it just excites you so much because its just so different than the same thing as always... like you really dont want
it, but youre just so taken away by the whole feeling and experience of it.. and its like, some guys they recognize that and just
totally can give their girlfriends those fantasies by just being ADVENTUROUS and MORE EXCITING.. just like totally enacting
GETTING IN TOUCH with their girlfriends fantasies, and finding out just what it is that they are.. and totally connecting on a more
intimate level, because they understand eachothers desires more, and just totally connect through exploration of the depths of their
sexualities..
PAYING THEM FOR SEX ROUTINE:
All girls LOVE the idea of being paid for sex, no matter how much they say they dont. Use KOOPER COCKY FUNNY FRAMES and say
that youre a PIMP, that the other girls in the set are your hoes and they should rate eachothers hoe ratings, and say what youre
going to make them do.. Its ROLE PLAYING, so they may be inclined to cheat on their BFs because it fits that fantasy, and its all
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So, basically, show them that youre more WITH IT, and have less HANGUPS, than
their BORING NONADVENTUROUS boyfriend has, and that if they get with you, you
wont JUDGE THEM, and that youll actually UNDERSTAND and CONNECT with them.
Since the MAJORITY of LTRs have GARBAGE REPETITIVE SEX, theyll crack from this
on a consistent basis.
Again, like the old BF blaster shit I wrote, this basically just gets INSIDE THEIR HEADS, and contrasts you with their boyfriends
FLAWS.
Keep pumping them with C&F, which is the archetype of the male highschool popular boy / quarterback, etc.. Theyll see that youre
what they NEED sexually, and youre IN. :)
MORE BOYFRIEND DESTROYING EXAMPLES
1)
Im at the bar with Manifestis, and were just chilling going around high fiving people and clicking drinks.. chatting up
everyone, especially guys about the SuperBowl in SanDiego and all that, ignoring their chicks kinda.. the girls finally start coming
over to us, trying to get our attention..
One chick rolls up on me and initiates me by touching the leather strap with fake bullets that I have around my arm (I am all
peacocked as usual now).. hands off the merchandise!.. she starts saying its sexy, and could be a belt for Alley McBeal... oh, you
like girls??? well team up and help eachother pickup chicks tonight then.. .... She is laughing and all that, but I eject her to keep
playing the hard to get shit that were field testing tonight.. She comes up on me later and starts holding my hands and all that.. I
brush my face up to hers, and she is rubbing my arm.. I leave again..
At the end of the night, shes with her FIANCEE, and they are walking kinda to leave.. She breaks off from him, and CRAWLS
through the crowd PRETENDING to be trying leave, even though its the least efficient way, and her fiancee is wondering why the
fuck she did this..
She rolls up on me, and asks me my name.. Now because I have AI (approach invitation), this means NO GAME WHATSOEVER.. just
neutral chat ala gunwitch, since shes in sexual state..
Here I use my latest BF Destroying techniques.. she asks me if Im gay (NUMBER ONE IOI WHEN PEACOCKING IS IF THE CHICK
WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GAY).. I say that Im into ANYTHING (not true btw), and do my bi-sexual-is-normal
routine.. she tells me that shes into girls, and her fiancee doesnt know.. she even has sex sometimes with the chick shes with..
ME: your problem is that you need a man that can help you to find other chicks to be with..
HER: I know, but hes just such a nice guy..
ME: he is.. its not his fault.. he wants to do his best for you.. I think that you should definetely marry him, cause hes such a nice
guy.. its not his fault that he cant find girls for you, hes just so insecure around a woman like you, and he knows that he wont get
better.. shes hes afraid to open up to you..
HER: I never realized that.. OMG youre right..
ME: imagine if you had a man who could find other girls for you, because you just knew that he was so in touch with his sexuality
that girls would be drawn to him, and you could explore all of those hidden potentials..
HER: you are the most sexual man I have ever met.. I NEED you to meet me tonight after my fiancee goes to sleep..
Here Manifestis is occupying the fiancee, who now has his arms wrapped around her, but cant here the convo cause shes facing me
and not him, and the music is blanketing our convo so he cant hear it.. Manifestis chats him up, while I make out with his fiancee
while he is holding from behind.. (what a SCANDELOUS ASS HO!!)
Anyway, were doing PU this week to get Manifestis up to speed, so I made a meet close that I already flaked on..
Meanwhile other chicks were approaching, and kissing me and hugging me.. This other chick who I approached earlier came and sat
next to me, drawing guys in to social proof herself, but kept looking over at me non-stop.. Her older brother was there, and earlier
had tried to CB me.. HIM: Im her older brother..
ME: OK, I guess Ill leave then..
HIM: no no its not like that homie.. Im not like that.. damn, I never realized I was like that.. you seem like a great guy..
So now hes telling her to get with me and shit.. funny shit.. good technique maybe (needs more testing of course)..
Shes getting jealous from the other chick kissing me and hugging me and shit, while Manifestis is just chilling social proofing us,
and cracking up (hes very good at mingling for sure.. much better than I am)
WHY are chicks approaching me on this night, and not others in the past?? Im DOING something here.. but you have read careful
to see it.. I post almost always only FRs where I personally learned something, since ASF is my personal PU journal..
1-look at the takeaways, and the contrast between staying in set as opposed to mingling..
2-look at how I created a TEAM UP world with her well PU chicks together
3-look at how I played hard to get hands off the merchandise
4-look at how I disarmed the brother with the Ill leave then direct line
5-look at how I did NOT use ANY game when I spotted AI (this is a crucial revelation, that many dont understand and overgame as
a result)
6-look at how I was able to kiss the guys fiancee, while hes HUGGING her, by having Manifestis occupy him, and by drawing her in
with the BF Destroyer stuff (is posting an FR where a technique is used considered a repost?? I didnt think so, as far as I knew)
7-look how we used social proof to make the other girl jealous and keep looking over, and how by doing the mingling we had people
coming to us..
True, nothing insane or anything.. but do most FRs here have more content than that? Do I have a higher standard to live up to?
What if there wasnt anything to criticize? This was very different for me, because the entire DYNAMIC of the club-sarge was
different than the usual SETS. Totally different style. Remember I havent done club sarging for more than a couple months now,
and hadnt been into a club to sarge EVER in my life before that. So to me, this stuff is revelatory. To me, making chicks
APPROACH ME is something worth posting.. I wasnt posting Im hot stuff, look at me getting approached.. I was posting HOW I
got them to do that..
Id written that I wasnt done writing the FR yet, and that I had to leaven and couldnt complete it.. Least you could have done was
gone after me on a post where it was completed! :)

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HANDLING AMOGS
A few good ones if you want to cause some trouble :)
1) whoa.. dude, you remind me so much of the most popular guy from my high school.. like the captain of the football team guy,
who beats up all the nerds..
2) whoa.. dude, youre like a total alpha male.. yeah, Im serious.. I watched this show on TV describing alpha males.. you totally
fit the bill.
3) dude.. youre a pretty cool guy.. you know, Im just saying that youre cool.. youre just a cool guy (in a way where he cant tell
if youre serious, so he has to say thanks, but doesnt quite know how to react)
Youll find that you get amazing results from these first three for several reasons:

this is a mind-fuck called LABELLING... its like if I told a gangster rapper hey, youre like the fuck-guy.. you like to say fuck
all the time.. thats so cool.... fuuuuck guuuuuy.. whats up! The gangster rapper would feel like WTF.. is that bad? and stop
using the word fuck around me as a result. Its basically designed to get him CONSTANTLY CONSCIOUS of his actions, to trip
him up.
it shows that you understand his behaviour, and that the more he acts like that, the more he shows you that YOU ARE RIGHT,
making YOU the alpha.

More good ones:

4) FROM LOVEDROP:
Ask AMOG if he can handle doing shots. Offer to purchase. Go to bar. Order 3 shots of Coca-Cola and 3 shots of Jaegermeister.
(They look identical.) Bring shots back....quickly do Coke shots one after the other. Worst case, if he wants to buy the next round,
you do a few shots....but then you get another round. Now hes had 9 shots :-)
He WILL capitulate in front of everyone. Ok dude, thats enough, you win, I cant handle any more. Its great. You will be the
alpha, and he will be vomiting in the bathroom all night. This is FIELD TESTED.
o===3
5) Wait until the guy leaves the group, and say:
OK guys.. you wanna see something FUNNY AS FUCK.. alright, when AMOG gets
back, Im going to tell the LAMEST joke.. and the punchline will be JELLO...
when I say the punchline, all of us are gonna break out laughing, and if he
laughs then we laugh at HIM.. (guy comes back).. theres a priest, a rabbi, and
a muslim spiritual guy all in a boat.. and its sinking.. so the rabbi jumps out
and says God will save me.... and he drowns.. DROWNS, like DEAD he DROWNS..
then the muslim spiritual guy jumps out and says God will save me.. same
thing, he DROWNS.. dammit he DROWNS.. so the priest gets up, looks at the sky,
and says....................... JELLO
Everyone starts laughing, and the AMOG laughs also.. Then you all laugh at AMOG, and hes de-AMOG-ified.

BEFRIENDING GUYS:
If you are a 23 year old frat guy like me, this is how you befriend guys.. older guys, I dunno.
For example, if you want to open a set that has a guy in it, to get to your target, here are things to talk about to guys. (as opposed
to using something like the Spells routine, which guys will think is fucked up and boring).
Mystery tells me this all the time, and its definetely true - when you own the men, you own the women.. when you own the
women, you own the men..
So if you can get good at chatting guys in clubs, and good at gaining acceptance from them, their chicks will dig you and you can
often exploit that.
1) CONTRA ROUTINE:
PUA: dude, youll never guess what I played today.. WTF, C-O-N-T-R-A.... fucking SWEET..... up up down down left right left right
B A B A select start.... ooooooh yeah dude,. thats the fucking SHIIIIT.. dude I had the SPREAD GUN, I was like fucking up the alien
wall shit... it was fucking NUTS..
2) CHINESE MULLET ROUTINE:
PUA: dude, today I took my chinese buddy, who had long hair, and we fucking buzzed him fucking STRAIGHT-UP.. we cut down
here (hand motions) and here.. and BOXED it all up here.. and left it all long back here.. and cut the sideburns all squared up high
like this.. and dude, we put in .............. RACING STRIPES!!! Like Vanilla Ice.. it was the fucking SHIT...
3) GREMLIN CAR STEREO ROUTINE:
PUA: bro, just outside this fucking OLD SCHOOL GREMLIN rolled by.. it was
fucking OLD SCHOOL SHIT dude.. it had this MASSIVE car stereo in it, like big

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bass SUBS in the back, and it was fucking PUMPING.. the whole car was vibrating
like dummmmmmmm dummmmmmmm

Any more good ones (to put down, or to befriend) would be appreciated.
What are some great ways to befriend and get rapport with GUYS fast? Any thoughts? Ive never been great at this, although what
Ive posted is tested and works very well.

TD

Just stopped by, and thought I could post something. I dont have time to get into all that stuff Jlaix was on about (too long), but
heres some other stuff Ive been up to lately that I thought was pretty funny.
I learned most of this stuff in Europe, while trying to steal sets from guys and preventing them from stealing sets from me. The
guys here are not pushovers like most guys I meet in North America. Many have game.
This is field tested probably hundreds of times.
AMOG: How do you guys know eachother?
PUA: Her? I fucked her.
(Girl will go aaaaaaaaah... hahahahah, I did NOT!!! But shell hit you and be giggling and start crawling all over you...).
AMOG: Hey, this is a nice girl.
PUA: Her.. shes a slut..
(Again, girl will start going nooooo! while giggling her ass off and crawling on you.. this is very deflating to the guy trying to cut in)
NOTE: Trying the above 2 was actually kinda weird for me. I was like fuck, I cant say this. But Id seen the European naturals
use it on me a few times, so I thought fuck it, Ill use it. I use it all the time now, including just bringing it up like actually guys,
you know her and I know eachother.. know how? I fucked her.. The girls freak out and giggle and grab you and get hyper. The
key though is that you have to do it when theyre already at high buying temperature. Like similar to CraigSD220s C&F
Accentuators. You do it to add punch to something else that already got them laughing.
AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Hey dude dude (putting hands up like you give up).. I will pay you a HUNDRED dollars right now, to take these girls away
from me.
(Girls will go no no no... we love you PUA.. noooooo and giggle and crawl on you.. Again, immediately deflating to the guy)
AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Dude, OMG that shirt is AWESOME.. I had one just like it in highschool, it fucking rocks man.. Having a good time in London
man.. Its awesome huh? Dude youre like the coolest guy I met all night.. (patting him on the shoulder)..
AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with me? hahahha.. ok ok hold up hold up.. wait a sec, well do even better..
first... well have an armwrestling competition.. then second.. well do one armed pushups.. and last..... POSE-DOWN!!
(then you start flexing and go ladies?, and they start saying how youre so strong, and the AMOG looks like a tool.. youre tooling
him, by making him seem like hes trying too hard to impress the girls by showing them superiority).
AMOG: Hey man.. keep talking.. no no, lets hear your pitch man.. pick these girls up man, youre doing awesome.
PUA: Hey, you know Ive gotta try to impress you COOL (x-city, x-dressed, x-whateverquality) guys.. You guys fucking ROCK.
(cut him down on whatever limited amount of knowledge you have of him, even if its not relevant whatsoever, hell feel
uncomfortable and his bodylanguage will show it)
AMOG: (starts touching you to show dominance)
PUA: hahhaha, DUUUUDE, Im not into guys man... dude, theres
club-gay-whatever over there man.. hands off the merchandise buddy
(girls laugh at him, then he starts qualifying himself to you that hes not gay)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: (dont answer.. just SIT there quiet.. the more he says stuff to you, the more hes TRYING.. talking too long without an answer
is QUALIFYING yourself.. so if he keeps trying to out-alpha you, and you dont answer, eventually he looks beta because he tried
too hard to get your attention.. another trick is to make lets get out of here girlcode with your eyes to the girls (mimmick what
they do to eachother when you do a bad set), and theyll leave with you)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: dude, youre an alphamale..
AMOG: whats that..

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PUA: you know, like the leader of the pack.. you call the shots.. you can put your hands on guys you dont know, cause youre
alpha..
(fucks up his whole look cool game, because youve characterized all his manneurisms, so anything he does to look alpha makes
him appear to be qualifying himself too you.. if he continues, just say see... alphamale.. whoa tiger, I cant mess)

Also more tactics..

Once you get the guy to qualify himself to you in any way (like he tries to make friends), rather than being nice, IMMEDIATELY cut
him out of the circle. Just cut him out. Youll notice trying to SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN by bombarding you with logical questions.
Theyll start pummeling you with logical stuff, so that you have to answer him the girls fall out of state. For me I found the solution
was just to say hey man, dont get all scientific on me.. were here to have fun.. and then immediately start gaming the girls
again. btw, if Im out with any of my GFs at a club, and another guy hits on them, I use the same tactics on AMOGS to stop them.
When you cut him out of the circle, hell either leave (too deflated), or hell try to grab your shoulder and say something like dont
turn your back on me. From there, the girls think hes creepy, so you say hey guys, this dude is creepy.. are you friends with this
guy?? did YOU bring this guy here? The girls will say no no no, we dont know him, and you say OK, lets get out of here, and
put out your arms for them to grab.
Then walk away with the girls on your arms, and if you want (I do this alot) turn around and have them both kiss you on the cheek
and wave the AMOG goodbye.

Also, you can USE the AMOGs WORK for yourself. Like he lines em up, you knock em down.
This is something I do alot. I let a guy pick a girl up and increase her buying temperature, then I go in and outalpha him, say hes
creepy to the girls, and then remove them from him.
The girls are already aroused, so they are still in state based on what the AMOG did. I can do this like maybe on 90% of sets I
approach where a natural AMOG has gotten far with a girl. I think a dude I know Stephane recently posted about this on Cliffs
List regarding a sarge we did.
Basically, I just make the friends of the girl who is getting gamed on by the AMOG like me. Like, they want me, but they know
theyre not qualified but their friend is.
Then I say Hey I want to meet your friend so much, but that touchy grabby lean in guy is all over her.. is she just being nice, or
does she really like guys who lean in and touch and do all the whats your name fake ungenuine stuff?
The UGs are invariably like no no, we hate guys like that.. thats why we love you so much blah blah, and then you get the
FRIENDS to literally REMOVE the hottie that you want from the AMOG who is conveniently heating her up for you and saving you the
hassle.
Hoboken wrote:
1.What would you do if you are with a chick and she is not yet into you and a AMOG upsurps you..would your tactics work then or is
there another method?
2.What about guys that say nothing to you and then put there arm around the HB you are sarging or hold her hand?
3.Does Ben do the same thing for anti AMOG?

TD SAYS:
Thanks man. 1) At this point, my game is based around the assumption that all girls I approach will be into me, unless I made an
error. If theyre not though, I suppose Id probably try to exploit the alphamale as something I could use to convey higher value in
front of the girl, and hope that she sticks around to watch. 2) Id say wow, you guys are so cute.. you look like brother and
sister.. 3) As for Ben, one thing thats frustered me is that I never get a chance to sarge with the guy. Were always split up in
groups. Same with Papa for the last few months. It sucks. Theyre my close friends, but we never get to sarge together. My main
wing right now is Sickboy007.

Michael wrote:
In case its not already
obvious, I just wanted to say
that if YOU started up with HIM and interrupted him with his HB(s) and so
thereby started the attack
on this AMOG, and if THEN he starts to
show that he will fight,
it would be risky as hell
to do the same tactic of
making fun of him, etc.

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TD SAYS:
Yeah totally man. For me though, I dont worry about that.
Papa pointed out to me that we look at a mixed gender set and analyze one of two choices.
1) If they CAME with the set (theyre there together) then its NEUTRALIZE.
2) If theyre just meeting them that night, then its BLOW THEM OUT.
So if the guys are with the girls, I cut them down, until THEY are chasing rapport with ME. Then I make friends. But if they dont
know the girls before now, I just roll in and literally PLOW them with my better tonality blitzkrieg-style. My tonality is specially
geared towards cutting through noise in clubs. I talk from the diaphragm, and it cuts over all other noise while not appearing that
Im yelling. Girls are like deer in the headlight around it, which is why Im able to cut over all other talking. I find that often while
Im gaming sets, girls from around the area will start coming over to check me out, because they hear the voice cutting over
everything, even though it doesnt sound like Im actually YELLING. They say weird shit like I like your voice.. It just sounds like
Im talking, but its cutting over all music/talking/noise. I also have inflexions in my voice that I learned from meeting the best guys,
that come across playful and cut out the guys immediately.
The key here is PATTERN BREAKING. For example, we all have patterns. If I go to shake hands with you, but then I cut you off just
as Im about to shake it, youll be STUNNED for a second. This is a natural response.
So this goes for false opinion openers.. (pattern-breakers in *): Hey
guys, I need a female opinion.. do girls think that the rockstar David
Bowie is hot? short pause, not long enough for them to answer, my friends
little sister just got a poster of David Bowie.. That is an OLD MAN.. he is
OLD.. do YOU like old men???

guys breaks pattern of them being called girls, and disarms

need disarms asking permission.. rather than setting their brain on a can I get train of thought, where her thought process
has to DECIDE whether or not to reply, you just say you need it, so she has to listen

do girls think that, implies that you dont care what SHE in particular thinks, and you are just using her as a SPECIMEN for a
female opinion

the short pause, just too short for her to answer, allows you to barrel through and cut over all her thought processes and those
of the guys.. she then BACKWARDS RATIONALIZES that because shes been chatting you for 2 minutes, that youre in a
conversation, and doesnt resist it

do YOU like old men is an accusation.. it gets her buying temperature up, because youre accusing her of things, which
conveys you as authoritative, and gets her into a qualifying frame.

IJJJI wrote:
You acknowledge him too much. IGNORE him until the HB you talk to start to notice him. At this moment he will come off as TRYING
to get into your set (trying=beta).

Thanks for the input man. Actually you and I are on the EXACT same wave length here, but I failed to explain things thoroughly so
good clarification. Check over the part where I wrote to actually just not to talk to the alpha, to bait him to keep talking to you.
Where I wrote just sit there and say nothing, or even make lets go girl eye code.
What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME while I wont acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still
paying attention to me, and is blown out.
As for acknowledging him too much, I actually DISREGARD the alphas until they try to cut in. I de-value them by treating them like
they dont exist, but if they get in my way aggressively (which is what most of the post was referring to, since its Europe out here),
then I cut them down with the aforementioned tactics.
Still man, very good clarification, because like with boyfriend destroyers where guys will say How do you get the boyfriend to come
up in convo?, its like dude, this is TROUBLE SHOOTING.. preferably, you dont want it to come up at all. The out-alpha stuff is for
when its unavoidable - common out here in Europe.

IJJJI WROTE:
Okokok.. but TD, you left out the one AMOG that poses a real problem. Its the one who goes straight up to the HB you are talking to
and NEG her, while totally ignoring you. What are you supposed to do if he gets HBs attention and continue ignoring you??

Haaa.. dude, you definetely do this stuff also.. Yes man, in Lester Square we get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they
do.. Good that you brought this up also, I forgot about these, and theyre common.
Examples:
AMOG: You know I already fucked these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!

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AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I fucked them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha
AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to fuck me all night..
AMOG: they tried to fuck YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts! PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing
you can MISINTERPRET)
THIS I LEARNED FROM CROATIAN BADBOY (IMO the best PUA in the scene in all Europe, taught me this stuff.. hes not known on
mASF, but well known in the European scene and the Lounge.. He did post stuff here though on how he fucked the Miss Croatia
competition winners and other celebs he fucked, which you guys may remember)
Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:
AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?
either:
AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves his girlfriend all alone.. is that nice?
HBS: nooooo...
or:
AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend) BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them drinks
and flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like guys who treat you nice right (they HAVE to say yes, even though they
dont.. also, by saying it in a way that makes nice guys sound LAME, hes highlighting that hes not like that, but is TOOLING the
AMOG all the while)
For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever you want, and call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A
DAY.. he will WORSHIP YOU..

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QUICK AMOG TACTICS

I used this twice last night. When lameass AMOGs try to approach your set, you smile and say Dude, she just broke up with her
boyfriend, and raise your eyebrows like go for it, kind of thing.
They girls are like SHUT UP! I DID NOT!! and jump on you and start hitting you. Its funny shit.
One thing Dreamweaver pointed out to me, was that if you make suggestions about the girl doing things with the AMOG, that she is
not at the buying temperature to be ready for, its an out-alpha, since she isnt ready for that, shell squirm at the thought of it. The
dude will see it, and feel deflated.
Also: TUG OF WAR If you are playing tug of war with another player, and he has her, DO NOT try to REASON with the chick to go with you. Literally
just spit more game at her, right in front of the AMOG. Some people arent clear on this obviously, as I realized seeing Twentysix
get his girl that wanted him fucking bad, go home with another guy, after he left her with too long of a takeaway. He was FULL IN
with this girl. Fully on, greenlight for full monty. But he ditched her for 45 minutes and some goodlooking natural scooped her up.
She even begged me to help her find him, but I didnt know where he was at. By the time he came back, she was leaving with
AMOG. He could he gotten her back by telling loud stories at her, and doing DHVs. She would have been interested, and would
have ditched AMOG. But he lost. Lesson learned. Ive learned this one the hard way MANY times.
You do this by literally smurfing the AMOG out of your reality. You just plow the girls, until they jump off of him, onto you. If he
says anything, just laugh at him, or drop an AMOG blaster line on him, and then continue like you dont even know hes anything
more than a 5 year old kid. Then say Check this out. This is awesome. Cmere, and pull her away from the AMOG. Shell protest
because she wants to fuck AMOG, but you just pretend you didnt hear, and rush her away from him. You can also grab another set
of UGs and tell them to go meet your best friend, the AMOG, and that youll be right back. This may distract him long enough to get
her away from him. Her buying temperature will be fully primed, so you can extract and lay. This is field tested many times. I love
this kind of stuff.
If he persists, poke him and call him cute and shit like that, and KEEP going with the DHVs and stories. Then say hes weird, and
pull her home.
Should AMOG really persist, your last resort is to say Dude, go get a helmet and some crayons and go to the corner and keep
yourself busy. Variations are to tell him what to draw like Dude, draw me pictures of that cool Tommy Hilfiger shirt, so I can go
buy one.. It fucking rocks man, go draw it., or the variation where you get him to go for rapport with you and then you break it.
Like Dude, OK seriously I was kidding around before and Im not trying to mess with you. But I actually have like the best intuition
for you, and I want you to hear it. Do you want to hear it? When he says yeah, then tell him what to do. Most guys wont fall for
this, but if you detect he will, he looks doubly stupid for taking you seriously, and hell be deflated instantly. This backfires if he
declines, in which case you fully shut him out and never address him again unless its to say Dude, why are you talking to me.
Youre fucking weird man.

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MORE AMOG TACTICS

Just stopped by, and thought I could post something. I dont have time to get into all that stuff Jlaix was on about (too long), but
heres some other stuff Ive been up to lately that I thought was pretty funny.
I learned most of this stuff in Europe, while trying to steal sets from guys and preventing them from stealing sets from me. The
guys here are not pushovers like most guys I meet in North America. Many have game.
This is field tested probably hundreds of times.
AMOG: How do you guys know eachother?
PUA: Her? I fucked her.
(Girl will go aaaaaaaaah... hahahahah, I did NOT!!! But shell hit you and be
giggling and start crawling all over you...).
AMOG: Hey, this is a nice girl.
PUA: Her.. shes a slut..
(Again, girl will start going nooooo! while giggling her ass off and crawling
on you.. this is very deflating to the guy trying to cut in)
NOTE: Trying the above 2 was actually kinda weird for me. I was like fuck, I cant say this. But Id seen the European naturals
use it on me a few times, so I thought fuck it, Ill use it. I use it all the time now, including just bringing it up like actually guys,
you know her and I know eachother.. know how? I fucked her.. The girls freak out and giggle and grab you and get hyper. The
key though is that you have to do it when theyre already at high buying temperature. Like similar to CraigSD220s C&F
Accentuators. You do it to add punch to something else that already got them laughing.
AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Hey dude dude (putting hands up like you give up).. I will pay you a
HUNDRED dollars right now, to take these girls away from me.
(Girls will go no no no... we love you PUA.. noooooo and giggle and crawl on you.. Again, immediately deflating to the guy)
AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Dude, OMG that shirt is AWESOME.. I had one just like it in highschool,
it fucking rocks man.. Having a good time in London man.. Its awesome huh?
Dude youre like the coolest guy I met all night.. (patting him on the
shoulder)..
AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with me? hahahha.. ok ok
hold up hold up.. wait a sec, well do even better.. first... well have an
armwrestling competition.. then second.. well do one armed pushups.. and
last..... POSE-DOWN!!
(then you start flexing and go ladies?, and they start saying how youre so strong, and the AMOG looks like a tool.. youre tooling
him, by making him seem like hes trying too hard to impress the girls by showing them superiority).
AMOG: Hey man.. keep talking.. no no, lets hear your pitch man.. pick these girls up man, youre doing awesome.
PUA: Hey, you know Ive gotta try to impress you COOL (x-city, x-dressed,
x-whateverquality) guys.. You guys fucking ROCK.
(cut him down on whatever limited amount of knowledge you have of him, even if its not relevant whatsoever, hell feel
uncomfortable and his bodylanguage will show it)
AMOG: (starts touching you to show dominance)
PUA: hahhaha, DUUUUDE, Im not into guys man... dude, theres
club-gay-whatever over there man.. hands off the merchandise buddy
(girls laugh at him, then he starts qualifying himself to you that hes not gay)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: (dont answer.. just SIT there quiet.. the more he says stuff to you, the
more hes TRYING.. talking too long without an answer is QUALIFYING yourself..
so if he keeps trying to out-alpha you, and you dont answer, eventually he
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to make lets get out of here girlcode with your eyes to the girls (mimmick
what they do to eachother when you do a bad set), and theyll leave with you)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: dude, youre an alphamale..
AMOG: whats that..
PUA: you know, like the leader of the pack.. you call the shots.. you can put
your hands on guys you dont know, cause youre alpha..
(fucks up his whole look cool game, because youve characterized all his manneurisms, so anything he does to look alpha makes
him appear to be qualifying himself too you.. if he continues, just say see... alphamale.. whoa tiger, I cant mess)

Also more tactics..

Once you get the guy to qualify himself to you in any way (like he tries to make friends), rather than being nice, IMMEDIATELY cut
him out of the circle. Just cut him out. Youll notice trying to SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN by bombarding you with logical questions.
Theyll start pummeling you with logical stuff, so that you have to answer him the girls fall out of state. For me I found the solution
was just to say hey man, dont get all scientific on me.. were here to have fun.. and then immediately start gaming the girls
again. btw, if Im out with any of my GFs at a club, and another guy hits on them, I use the same tactics on AMOGS to stop them.
When you cut him out of the circle, hell either leave (too deflated), or hell try to grab your shoulder and say something like dont
turn your back on me. From there, the girls think hes creepy, so you say hey guys, this dude is creepy.. are you friends with this
guy?? did YOU bring this guy here? The girls will say no no no, we dont know him, and you say OK, lets get out of here, and
put out your arms for them to grab.
Then walk away with the girls on your arms, and if you want (I do this alot) turn around and have them both kiss you on the cheek
and wave the AMOG goodbye.

Also, you can USE the AMOGs WORK for yourself. Like he lines em up, you
knock em down.
This is something I do alot. I let a guy pick a girl up and increase her buying temperature, then I go in and outalpha him, say hes
creepy to the girls, and then remove them from him.
The girls are already aroused, so they are still in state based on what the AMOG did. I can do this like maybe on 90% of sets I
approach where a natural AMOG has gotten far with a girl. I think a dude I know Stephane recently posted about this on Cliffs
List regarding a sarge we did.
Basically, I just make the friends of the girl who is getting gamed on by the AMOG like me. Like, they want me, but they know
theyre not qualified but their friend is.
Then I say Hey I want to meet your friend so much, but that touchy grabby lean in guy is all over her.. is she just being nice, or
does she really like guys who lean in and touch and do all the whats your name fake ungenuine stuff?
The UGs are invariably like no no, we hate guys like that.. thats why we love you so much blah blah, and then you get the
FRIENDS to literally REMOVE the hottie that you want from the AMOG who is conveniently heating her up for you and saving you the
hassle.
Spanky wrote:
Im being very greedy/arrogant here, but can you copy and paste it from the
mystery lounge for us? Hope you still catch this message...
-TD SAYS:
I am still demoing it live to the top community guys - something that
travelling has afforded me the opportunity to do - and trying to understand all
of the complexities. Im going back to school soon and wont have time to post
if my workload is too heavy, but Ill post it once its better refined.

Hoboken wrote:
1.What would you do if you are with a chick and she is not yet into you and a
AMOG upsurps you..would your tactics work then or is there another method?
2.What about guys that say nothing to you and then put there arm around the HB you are sarging or hold her hand?
3.Does Ben do the same thing for anti AMOG?

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TD SAYS:
Thanks man. 1) At this point, my game is based around the assumption that all
girls I approach will be into me, unless I made an error. If theyre not
though, I suppose Id probably try to exploit the alphamale as something I
could use to convey higher value in front of the girl, and hope that she sticks
around to watch. 2) Id say wow, you guys are so cute.. you look like
brother and sister.. 3) As for Ben, one thing thats frustered me is that I
never get a chance to sarge with the guy. Were always split up in groups.
Same with Papa for the last few months. It sucks. Theyre my close friends,
but we never get to sarge together. My main wing right now is Sickboy007.

Michael wrote:
In case its not already
obvious, I just wanted to say
that if YOU started up with HIM and interrupted him with his HB(s) and so
thereby started the attack
on this AMOG, and if THEN he starts to
show that he will fight,
it would be risky as hell
to do the same tactic of
making fun of him, etc.

TD SAYS:
Yeah totally man. For me though, I dont worry about that.
Papa pointed out to me that we look at a mixed gender set and analyze one of two choices.
1) If they CAME with the set (theyre there together) then its NEUTRALIZE.
2) If theyre just meeting them that night, then its BLOW THEM OUT.
So if the guys are with the girls, I cut them down, until THEY are chasing rapport with ME. Then I make friends. But if they dont
know the girls before now, I just roll in and literally PLOW them with my better tonality blitzkrieg-style. My tonality is specially
geared towards cutting through noise in clubs. I talk from the diaphragm, and it cuts over all other noise while not appearing that
Im yelling. Girls are like deer in the headlight around it, which is why Im able to cut over all other talking. I find that often while
Im gaming sets, girls from around the area will start coming over to check me out, because they hear the voice cutting over
everything, even though it doesnt sound like Im actually YELLING. They say weird shit like I like your voice.. It just sounds like
Im talking, but its cutting over all music/talking/noise. I also have inflexions in my voice that I learned from meeting the best guys,
that come across playful and cut out the guys immediately.
The key here is PATTERN BREAKING. For example, we all have patterns. If I go to shake hands with you, but then I cut you off just
as Im about to shake it, youll be STUNNED for a second. This is a natural response.
So this goes for false opinion openers.. (pattern-breakers in *): Hey
guys, I need a female opinion.. do girls think that the rockstar David
Bowie is hot? short pause, not long enough for them to answer, my friends
little sister just got a poster of David Bowie.. That is an OLD MAN.. he is
OLD.. do YOU like old men???

guys breaks pattern of them being called girls, and disarms

need disarms asking permission.. rather than setting their brain on a can I get train of thought, where her thought process
has to DECIDE whether or not to reply, you just say you need it, so she has to listen

do girls think that, implies that you dont care what SHE in particular thinks, and you are just using her as a SPECIMEN for a
female opinion

the short pause, just too short for her to answer, allows you to barrel through and cut over all her thought processes and those
of the guys.. she then BACKWARDS RATIONALIZES that because shes been chatting you for 2 minutes, that youre in a
conversation, and doesnt resist it

do YOU like old men is an accusation.. it gets her buying temperature up, because youre accusing her of things, which
conveys you as authoritative, and gets her into a qualifying frame.

IJJJI wrote:
You acknowledge him too much. IGNORE him until the HB you talk to start to
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(trying=beta).

Thanks for the input man. Actually you and I are on the EXACT same wave length
here, but I failed to explain things thoroughly so good clarification. Check
over the part where I wrote to actually just not to talk to the alpha, to bait
him to keep talking to you. Where I wrote just sit there and say nothing, or
even make lets go girl eye code.
What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME while I wont acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still
paying attention to me, and is blown out.
As for acknowledging him too much, I actually DISREGARD the alphas until they try to cut in. I de-value them by treating them like
they dont exist, but if they get in my way aggressively (which is what most of the post was referring to, since its Europe out here),
then I cut them down with the aforementioned tactics.
Still man, very good clarification, because like with boyfriend destroyers where guys will say How do you get the boyfriend to come
up in convo?, its like dude, this is TROUBLE SHOOTING.. preferably, you dont want it to come up at all. The out-alpha stuff is for
when its unavoidable - common out here in Europe.

IJJJI WROTE:
Okokok.. but TD, you left out the one AMOG that poses a real problem. Its the
one who goes straight up to the HB you are talking to and NEG her, while
totally ignoring you. What are you supposed to do if he gets HBs attention and
continue ignoring you??

Haaa.. dude, you definetely do this stuff also.. Yes man, in Lester Square we
get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they do.. Good that you brought
this up also, I forgot about these, and theyre common.
Examples:
AMOG: You know I already fucked these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!
AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I fucked them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha
AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to fuck me all night..
AMOG: they tried to fuck YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts!
PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing you can
MISINTERPRET)
THIS I LEARNED FROM CROATIAN BADBOY (IMO the best PUA in the scene in all
Europe, taught me this stuff.. hes not known on mASF, but well known in the
European scene and the Lounge.. He did post stuff here though on how he fucked
the Miss Croatia competition winners and other celebs he fucked, which you
guys may remember)
Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:
AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?
either:
AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves his
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HBS: nooooo...
or:
AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend)
BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them drinks and
flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like guys who treat you nice
right (they HAVE to say yes, even though they dont.. also, by saying it in a
way that makes nice guys sound LAME, hes highlighting that hes not like that,
but is TOOLING the AMOG all the while)
For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever you want, and
call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A DAY.. he will WORSHIP YOU..
Thanks Craig. That reminds of me the classic Hey, when Im talking to you
Ill point my finger at you from your Elimidate. I used that tonight and the
HB10 was all over it.
One addition that I forgot about.
Sickboy007 and I were gaming a 2 set from this HUGE 66 black guy. Once he
looked ready to knock us down, Sickboy007 goes Sickboy007: Dude, have you ever seen Fight Club.. Have you ever seen Fight
Club??
AMOG: umm yeah..
Sickboy007: OK dude, dude.. I want you to HIT ME, AS HARD AS YOU CAN... hit
me.. hit me...
AMOG: (looking like WTF?)
Sickboy007: whoa whoa whoa.. actually dude, DO NOT hit me.. with those arms,
man youd KILL ME.. seriously man, dont dont.. look at this guy, WTF was I
thinking???
(use at your own risk.. :)... )
Also, I get alot of AMOGs here knowing the frame, so I have to take it further:
AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, youre going to need
somebody to protect you mate, youre going to have all the guys into you.. (yes
I actually got this, and that was a cool shirt but he still found a way to diss
it, and to be honest it was a good diss)
PUA: Dude, thats why I rolled up on you.. I need YOU man.. help me, please
man.. dude, I look at you, and I just KNOW that you were born to protect my
sphinkter
OR:
AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, youre going to need
somebody to protect you mate, youre going to have all the guys into you..
PUA: hahah man you are SO FUNNY.. man, youre the best comedian.. dude,
honestly, I like you man.. youre awesome.. you dont have to be funny for me
to like you..
AMOG: hey you fucking ginger-minger..
(Im considered bad looking out here, because red-head guys are apparently
unattractive in Britain - gingerminger means ugly redhead guy.. for guys who
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sensitive to try to get you to flinch.. after getting burned on this a few
times, I figured the formula, again, is to point out the GAP between what they
actually ARE what what they PROJECT..
PUA: whoa youre like the best verbal sparring partner ever.. that was so
original man.. youre SO COOL.. ladies, is this guy not the coolest?? Guy, I
cant roll with you, Ill pay you a hundred dollars to take these ladies from
me right now..
....saw some more tonight.
Im walking home (first day back at school, btw) and some dude is pissing on the wall.
AMOG: its fucking huge, huh?
TD: yeah dude, I almost swooned.
Hes surprised obviously (this guy was pretty alpha actually). He keeps
walking, probably thinking of how to out-alpha me.
AMOG: swooned huh? hahah man youre such a JOKER.
(I LIKE this one, calling guys a joker if they nail you with a good one.. like the implication is that hes the insecure type to use
humour to gain acceptance)
TD: yeah man... you know Ive got to impress..
(standard come back for guys who imply Im trying to impress them with any of the nice shirt or youre awesome type stuff)
AMOG: haa, I AM impressed man..
(still trying to top me here)
TD: guy, without my fans.....
(I raise my hands to finish the sentence.. notice that in out-alphaing, you dont use alot of well thought out sentences.. its like even
giving well thought out answers is too much.. this is like from JAP Busting posts where I answer why did you ask me this simply
with ....Im talking (with a funny face like WTF is she thinking asking me this.. ) Then I do freeze out and turn my back on him. If
he attempts to re-initiate, hes outalphaed, so must give up.. Also, if a guy answers with something too well thought out, I just
smirk and go whoa dude, thats pretty scientific and immediately turn my back and freeze him out.. As usual, if he tries to get me
to turn around by grabbing me, I run the whoa dude, Club-477 (gay club here) is down there.. hands off the merchandise buddy,
and if he replies I keep saying man Im not gay.. stop trying man, Im not gay).

I think another variation of this could be if a guy really burns you, you could
say:
PUA: haaa, GUY, hahah.. man, I cant keep up with you buddy, while Im out youre like at home thinking this stuff up.. guy you
are a JOKER man..
P.S.: For the record, I think that this whole thing is fucking lame. Im just glad that I understand it now. I remember being back in
high-school and having these assholes using shit like this on me, and I have to say that just understanding the format well enough
to be able to out-alpha anyone is awesome (combined obviously with that I can remove their chicks from them, if not totally then at
least get them obviously wanting to within around 1 minute which the AMOGS fucking hate).
I think that the main benefit is that you never have to feel like somebody in a public gathering is going to make you feel like shit or
embaress you, because you can cut them down faster and harder than anything that they can do to you.
The thing I really like about AMOG tactics actually, now that Im back in North America and dont have to use them much, is that
you at least UNDERSTAND the FRAME that these guys are using. So you have the CONFIDENCE that if something comes up for ANY
reason, you can slam people hard.
It gives you the confidence to go into mixed sets and to dress outrageous. Ive really found that ever since I got down the AMOG
blasters, my confidence has been up at a max level.
Understanding the frame also has insights in terms of social dynamics in general. Like not qualifying yourself, etc..
Lastly, and most importantly I guess, is that I PEPPER this stuff in, combined with BEFRIENDING, so that the guy is sort of insecure
a bit, and thus becomes VERY open to me befriending him, almost in the same way that chicks are open to rapport after C&F. So
befriending sets with guys becomes so much easier, just understanding the frame in general.
Like I had this black dude roll up on me and say about my bright silver shoes
that I occassionally wear (that are I think are cool, btw, and gets me thinking
to type up a new peacocking posts) man, I should wear those shoes.. Id look
like a million dollars.. and Im like dude. a million dollars? Cmon man,
dont sell yourself short.. Youd look like a TRILLION dollars.. Youre the
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This guy was a black L.A. player, and he knew instantly that I was a player also. He was all whats up man and brought me into a
room where he was fucking 3 chicks (he was a MAJOR player) and hooked me up with them. Like literally he served up the blondie
to me like - fuck her (this after I gamed them up a bit with mini-cold reads and pushed them away). I had to leave for workshop,
so told them Id come back, and then the next day while I was on my way out of the hotel, they approached me and gave me their
phone #s, because the black dude accomplishment introd me.
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SUBTLE EXAMPLE OF AMOG STUFF

I was just heading off to the club, but thought about something that happened to me last night on the topic of AMOGs. To me, this
is really important stuff, although maybe nobody will get it or maybe its more obvious to them so its redundant. Anywayz....
Im sitting at one of the computers in my student center, and I see an AMOG from the other night. I had been working a 2set, and
hed come into the set.
One thing I love to do when an AMOG enters the set, is this really simple coin snatch trick that I learned from Mystery (he actually
learned it from a dude at the Guvernment club / www.theguvernment.com, my favourite club in Toronto, whose girlfriend he was
stealing, but this guy showed him the trick so he lost interest in the girl and just learned it). I cant post it because its Mysterys
(him and Style are sticky about that stuff, whereas I just post all my shit because if I get caught in a repeat I just think its funny),
but really this doesnt matter. The idea is just learn ANY BASIC TRICK. Then you can use this kind of tactic. Just learn anything.
The coin thing isnt even magic. Its just a dumb trick that happens to be field tested and shown to work extremely well. But you
can use bar bets or ANYTHING.
So anyway, what Ill do is that the AMOG will enter the set and the girls will start chatting him because they know him. But Ill say
Dude dude dude, CHECK THIS OUT.. Alright, hold your hand out. and do the trick on him.
Now what this accomplishes, is that youre OWNING the guy right in front of the girls. Rather than sitting there like a puppydog,
hoping that the girls will come back to you, you just take over the set by demonstrating something to him, where hes having to
take directions from you in order to see it.
Also important is that on occassion the alpha will know whats happening, and just not agree to do it. Most guys will back down
from this, but instead I just CUT HIM OUT OF REALITY. I say something dismissive like Cool dude, its OK to be shy man, I was like
that before too.. anyway HBwhatever, check this out, its AWESOME, with HIGH ENERGY because girls are drawn to that, and then
you can blow him out of the set because the girls focus on you and theres nothing he can do about it. If hes a member of the set
(close friend or whatever), then later on say Dude, Im just chilling man.. Just shooting the shit.. I didnt mean to fuck with you..
Whats your name, man? and because of SOCIAL PRESSURE, hell supplicate you and actually be receptive to your attempts to get
rapport with him, because inside he feels what youve done to his status, and he just wants a quick-fix to regain it. So if you stroke
his ego just a BIT, hell now RESPECT you and befriend you. Even help you. But do this later, AFTER youve blown him out, when
hes sitting there like a pouting puppydog.
The thing is, and this is IMPORTANT, is that these AMOGs have natural tendencies to still fuck you over, and make it look like youre
qualifying yourself.
In this case, the guy just thought that I was cool, and social proofed me to the girls (who invited me out to the club tonight,
actually). But typically, theyll do this like this:
EXAMPLES:
Youre showing people pictures. Hell come in and yell out WICKED! Pictures! Awesome man, its like a little show. Show me your
little show, man! This is awesome stuff! Man, these girls are loving this shit. (grabs them from you) Hey girls, check these out!
Like they do what I remember I once called USURPING THE GLORY, in an old alpha post I wrote. Actually Im just remembering
that post now. Its funny how this stuff evolves, because that very post (I think it was called 10 Alpha Behaviours - for breakbeat,
so DAFS if interested) was the first post where I was sitting down and trying to figure out what the fuck these big annoying fuckers
were doing to maintain their alpha status all the time.
Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, last night.
I see this guy with a girl. He decides that hes going to outalpha me in a friendly way, to build value to his girlfriend. He stops
beside me at the computer, with this girl on his arm, and says Hey check out this guys little trick. Its the bomb. He can grab a
coin out of your hand in like 1 second. Show her the shit man. Show her.
Alphas always try to do this stupid shit. I think its funny, because this guy obviously has no idea what hes dealing with.
So he puts out his hand to make me do it on him. I stand up and smirk, and then put out my hand for his girl to be the one I do it
on.
Right there, Im now disobeying him, smirking at him like Im not even saying much to him other than just being dismissive, and
controlling the set the way I want it done.
Immediately she touches me and shows IOIs.
I say For you man, Id do anything. I met this guy last night, and he was the shit. I just KNEW I had to impress him. Then I put
my hand on his shoulder while I say this.
He says Yeah, check this out!, like in this sort of alpha way that I cant really explain on the internet, but hes trying to like redirect the set. But I cut him off just as the last word out is coming out of his mouth, and Im like Dude, SSHHH.. This requires
concentration. Stay still.
Then I run the trick, and she freaks out. Then I IMMEDIATELY start pumelling her with game, right in front of her guy. Shes
touching me, giving IOIs, and Im pushing her onto him.
She tells me where she works (on campus), and qualifies herself to me by saying who her friends are (theyre the cool girls, who
Im better friends with than her), and you can tell that the interest is there.
I actually LIKE this alpha guy, and hes not a bad guy. So I dont further attempt to steal his girl from him, because I feel validated
at this point, and generally dont want to cause problems in my small social circle at school.
But he put me in the position where I could have, and I used his dumbass out-alpha attempts to pummel him with shit he didnt
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The moral here is that you need to OWN THE SET. Have DHVs ready that GUYS will like, so that you can own them, the second that
they arrive.
Anyway, this struck me as funny, and a good isolated example of something that almost every night that I go out. Its subtle
subcommunication, that girls respond to immediately. In fact, its a great way to convey value fast. Owning the men in a group.

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APPROACHING CHICKS WITH BFS / DATES

PUING A CHICK WHILE SHES WITH HER BOYFRIEND OR DATE - by fucking asshole inconsiderate womanizing bastard
TylerDurden.. :)
I guarantee its just as easy to attract a chick on a date or who is with her BF, as it is to attract a chick alone..
The problem, though, is CLOSING the chick.. Ive successfully PUed several girls right in front of their boyfriends.. Ive posted FRs
on it, a good one from late December you can find in my old posts..
The chick from December even isolated herself with me, and tried to get me to fuck her in the bathroom of the club (WTF?!?!), while
her BF was waiting for us to come back.
You do it by approaching the guy, ignoring the girl, and teasing the fuck out of her.. the guy is disarmed, because he thinks
hahaha, this dude obviously has no chance with my chick, because he just called her a powerpuff girl.. hell never catch up with
me, after all the roses and drinks I bought her..
Now that one chick SUGGESTED isolation on her own accord, and so her date had no choice but to say yes.. especially after Id
dissed her up so bad in his mind (really I just teased the hell out of her, which she totally loved)..
MORE mini-FRs just to encourage you that this can be done:
While in Pacific Beach with Manifestis, I made out with a chick while she was snuggling in the arms of her boyfriend, while Manifestis
talked to him from a backwards angle and his neck was turned.. I could feel the boyfriends arms against my stomach while I made
out with his girlfriend.. weird shit.
In NYC, one of the students at MM workshop asked me to PU this chick with her BF.. He went and opened, and I teased the fuck out
of the chick, and ran the A-Crowd routine on her by saying that her BOYFRIEND was in the A-Crowd with me, but that she wasnt..
the dude high-fived me, and I ran the Gay-Cockblock routine (Ill try to post this) where I say that Im gay and that my wingman is
my boyfriend, and to not touch him or Ill get jealous and leave to go dance.. (chicks LOVE this routine, and it disarms guys since
theyd NEVER think that chicks would like guys who say that theyre gay C&F style).. so I start kissing the chick, and the guy
FREAKS OUT.. then Mystery comes in and does magic for the guy and he calms down, and it was cool..
AGAIN though, problems CLOSING.. Attracting is NO PROB, but CLOSING is harder..
But just TRY.. chat the guy, diss up the chick with negs and teases like crazy, and OBLIQUELY tell the guy COOL things about
yourself so that the chick will over hear.. it looks like youre just CHATTING and being SOCIAL, but youre really obliquely conveying
higher value to the chick, and teasing/negging/challenging/qualifying her, to get her all turned on.
Again, teasing the girl while ignoring her and chatting the dude:
1)
2)

disarms the dude

attracts the girl

Remember, sit or stand FACING the guy.

ACrowd routine, say guy is in A_Crowd with you

gay cockblock routine
call chick powerpuff girl
call chick badgirl
say wait your turn.. is she always like this? to the guy
shell qualify herself to you, then say is she trying to impress me?? does she really have that??

All this DISARMS the guy, while ATTRACTING the girl..

Then just say dude.. I think I fucking MAD pissed off your girl.. look, Ill give her a palm reading under that light over there, just to
give her some special attention, so she doesnt like totally freak out.. cool? I dont even like palm-reading for my style, but Ill use
it as an excuse to isolate the chick, no doubt.
Then meet-close her in isolation (unless you think shell run and escape out of the club with you, which has happened to me).. dont
try to #close, since she might LIVE with the dude..
OR, if you have a Sony Cliee, you can let her secretly punch in her # by first teasing her, and then FINALLY after she BEGS,
showing her the digital photo routine after you showed her BF first, and prompting the phone# thing to come up.. take a chance,
and see if shell enter it.. say are you cool enough to be in here?
So hopefully these are encouraging stories, and youll post some FRs of your own about chicks you picked up in front of their
boyfriends..
Good luck with it, and I think you have a good attitude for rising to the fun challenge. Think of it as LESS intimidating to approach a
girl with a boyfriend, since obviously NOBODY would do something like that if their intention was to pickup.
Personally I think its alot of fun to do this, because I can remember a year ago when I was scared to even approach a lone chick..
and now I can PU them right off a boyfriend.. fun shit.

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COUPLES ON DATES
This is a LOT easier than it seems.
Use the GUY as a MEDIUM to convey your personality to LIBERALLY.
See, by having the guy right there you can:

open EASIER, since you are talking to a GUY

neg her while talk to him (wait your turn! is she always like this???)
show that you can handle yourself with other guys very well, out alpha him in a respectable way
tell the guy ANYTHING that your TARGET would find interesting, and its NOT to her.. Youre not trying to impress her, youre
just talking

So there are clear advantages. It may not be EASIER, but there are advantages
that you can EXPLOIT nonetheless.
A big one, then, is that once you start chatting the chick (after C&F ballbusting her, negging her, and FINALLY after shes EARNED
some attention by saying something COMPELLING), you have to hold the guy off.
One way to do that is to tell the guy that he reminds you of a certain celeb (credit Mys). Say James.... er, sorry I keep wanting to
call you James (from whatever rockband you know personally,.... ha!)
Also, the KEY is that while youre talking to her, say to the guy does she always do this??? shes lying, does she really have
that??? is she just impressing me???
This lowers his guard, and negs her at the same time. Its also FLIRTING (as explained in the high-impact description in the thread
below this one). But since hes likely AFC, he NEVER sees it coming.
So your C&F ballbusting her serves TWO purposes.
1)
2)

To DISARM the guy

To ATTRACT the girl

Anyway, the only hard part is isolating or closing. Both times Ive
successfully done it, I just attracted the girl until she WANTED to be isolated
and the guy couldnt object since Id shown him so much respect, and lowered
any RATIONAL suspicions.
But maybe theres ways to contact close without him getting pissed, which Ill figure out later (or someone could suggest one).

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TUG OF WAR THE ULTIMATE PUA BATTLE

Heres how it goes down:
The girl hits full buying temperature. Maybe you did it. Maybe another natural player did it. Maybe her boyfriend pissed her off and
de-validated her. Maybe shes on vacation, and she decides she wants it. Whatever the way, shes decided she wants sex
TONIGHT, and somebody is going to get it.
You see this in Leceister Square in London England. The girls get hit on all night. The guys hitting on them are getting blown out
left and right. But yet, at the same time, their buying temperature is escalating and escalating.
And as we all know, buying temperature is TRANSFERABLE. You can literally walk up to a girl who is being picked up by a player,
blow him out, and pull the girl and hook up with her within 45 minutes. Ive done it in front of audiences, while they sit there jaw
dropped. It appears that Ive done something inconceivable, when in fact what Ive done it stupidly easy, just as long as you have a
bit of balls.
In nighttime social environments, pickup is all about FOLLOW THE SHINY THING GIRLS.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW THE
SHINY THING.. ITS GOING OVER HERE..
:)
Thats a metaphor I first got from Toecutter I think, and its funny as hell
because its true. In clubs, girls are like little kittens in a prairie,
jumping from one stimulus to the next. Chase the butterfly little kitten..
chase it.. chase it.. no wait, a leaf.. chase it.. no wait!, a bird...
chaaaaase it....
Girls in clubs, its the same shit. Dance.... Dance.... Drink.. Drink.... No wait! Lights! Music!!! Guys hitting on us... Were listening
to them... Theyre fun.... No wait! Theyre players... Runnn awaaaaaay!!!! Wait, its my BEST FRIEND... I LOVE HER... HUG MY
BEST FRIEND!!! GRIND HER!!!!
God, how do I deal with this shit on a nightly basis? Its like theyre on crack. Do you guys see this shit? They see their friends and
they run up and scream and hug eachother?
At clubs, most girls look like mindless stimulation seeking zombies. When I run workshops, I call this the girl is about to pop.
What that means is that youll be running the set, but one of them cant quite hear you or isnt fully interested. And you see her
eyes wandering, and shes looking around the club. Its like This isnt stimulating enough.. Zombie needs more stimulation.. Seek
stimulation.. Find it.. Maintain buying temperature.. Zombie LIKES buying temperature... dancing.. .dancing is buying
temperature.... Zombie likes dancing... Lets go dance.. Zombie needs zombie friends to come with zombie, so zombie is safe...
GUYS.... - LETS - GO - DANCE!!!
And POOF, your set is GONE. Your target girl could have LOVED you, but the second her friends say Lets go dance, it is fucking
OVER. Ill see one of the girls looking around, seeking out other stimulation, and Ill blurt out to my wing dude, that ones about to
pop, and then its Hey! Shows over here!, to the chick (like from my How to take the fuck over a set post I wrote a few weeks
ago).
Anyway, getting back to the topic of tug of war, this is the shit I see all the time. The girl hits buying temperature, and now its
whoever has the biggest shiny thing that will fuck her that night.
Ill have girls telling me they love me and asking where Im going after the club closes, and then some other dude will move in, and
shell ignore me and act like I dont exist. Literally, shell just cut me out of her reality. Then Ill go in and blow the guy out, and
hell leave, and then the girl will be my best friend again.
Bros, this is the harsh world of pickup. Its a cold cruel world... :)
This shit reminds me of rams butting heads on the mating ground. Its fucking crazy some of the shit Ive seen and done.
In Las Vegas, I took this girl away from a guy whod been gaming her all night. I was macking out with her and shes all over me.
She says she wants to go home with me and that the guy shes with is a chump (even though she is clearly into him, but she just
likes me more now, since I opened her even though the guy was right there).
We go to leave the casino, and her friend wants to back in for one last second and say bye to the guys. The guy I took her from
grabs her back chats her for a few minutes, and next thing you know he walks her around the casino for the next 45 minutes while I
sit there waiting like a puppydog.. FUCK, so CLOSE.. Like I had them at the cab stand, and now Im back in here by myself??? My
girl comes back and says she cant go home with me anymore, while I see the guy smiling that hes got her now.
I go off to the side, over to the friend and say that Im gay, and that I want my girl (her best friend) to be my new best friend and
to take her shopping tommorow morning. Can I stay over? She believes it, and cockblocks the guy who was about to pull the girl
that we were fighting over, and we all go home together. The girl hates me, but her buying temperature is up and she needs sex.
Oh yeah, did I mention that she was engaged? Anyway, shes fucking hot as hell, Im there, shes there, and boom, its a done deal.
This was hard core tug of war. The same thing I did in Montreal, when I gamed up this set until theyre ready to go home with me
and my wing (while the students watch this go down), but then I have to leave to continue the workshop because its too early in the
night, so I leave. Meanwhile some natural french player guys move in and start making out with these girls within about 3 minutes!
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Now these girls want to leave with these 2 french player dudes. So I go in with Stephane (of Cliffs List fame), and I make best
friends with the two girls and tell them that I love their friend because I love them, and that I want to be best friends with them and
that I well all be happy together, blah blah.. The girls cockblock the player guys and tell their friends all to go back to my house
(incidentally its Cliffs house from Cliffs List, who Im staying with). Our targets keep trying to go back with the French player guys,
but I just cockblock the shit out of them by continually whispering into the obstacles ears that I need help from them. In this case
there was a fuckup which I talked about in another post. Either way, the French guys were jaw-dropped when we waved, winked,
and laughed at them, as we took away their girls.
Ive done this SO MANY times. Ill see a girl whos ready to be pulled, and I just go befriend the obstacles. The obstacles know that
their friend is going to sleep with SOMEBODY, so they do what it takes to make sure that somebody is me.
This is hardcore tug of war. You can see it outside clubs at closing times. Accounts are being worked out. Guys are chatting the
girls they grinded with all night, trying to get them to go to the afterbar or go eat with them.
Thats how the pull always goes down. Its first to go eat or party more or do drugs or drink at a house or hotel, and one thing leads
to another. JLaix uses Were going to Club Jeffy. Same type of shit.
Ive also lost alot of tug of war battles in my day. Of course this is because Ill go into the battle even in spite of knowing that my
odds are poor. I do it just for the education.
The other night in Kingston I had this girl ready to leave with me. I also had a date that night with a hotter girl, and ditched this girl
at around 11pm. Twentysix was visiting me in Kingston, and we drove over to the girls house, but I realized that Id forgotten the
address. FUCK. So I go back to the club. Surprise, surprise....... The girl is grinding and making out with some new guy, about to
go home with him. Of course, its because I upped her buying temperature FOR the guy. FACK!!!
So I get the friends of the girl to drag her off of him for me. Now shes all up on me. Shes mine. But I leave for the bathroom for
a minute, and I come back and watch the dude who was grinding with her pull her home and fuck her (I found out the next day,
because I befriended the friends and called them).
Likewise, I was in Whistler Blackcomb, in British Columbia last weekend. For guys who dont know what that is, its one of the top
ski resorts in the world. Fucking AMAZING place to go. Totally amazing experience. So we ski all day, and go clubbing at night.
Twentysix and I had gamed up this 2set the night previous, and had a day2 planned with them at one of the bars on the resort. We
show up 2 hours late, and these 2 player guys have moved in on our girls. I underestimate them, because our girls run up to us. I
figure theyre some lameasses. They werent good looking or big or anything. I say to my girls Lets get out of here, and theyre
ready to leave. Out of nowhere, the player guy walks in and says Lets go do kareoke. I laugh at him internally, because I think
hes AFC. But then I notice something. Its subtle, but its clearly there. Hes not leaning in. Hes not looking needy. Hes directing
her what to do. Hes alpha.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK - Hes a player and I
misread the play.
Despite being about to leave with us, I watch this guy walk in and outalpha me (I sat there indifferent because I couldnt CONCEIVE
that this guy could be a player), and take my girls from me. We all go to the next club together, and he has her and Im looking
lame for following along. Twentysixs girl likes him though, and is deciding between this guys friend and Twentysix. Twentysixs
competition isnt too bad, so he blows him out. But the girl tells me HB decided yesterday after meeting you guys that she was
going to get laid tonight. And you guys just came too late.
Twentysix runs the typical routine that we run when this happens, where one girl is ON but the other girl isnt. He tells his girl that
if her friend isnt going to make it fun for me that hell just leave. His girl begs her friend to hook up with me, but the player guy
has me by the balls. I actually learned a SHITLOAD from watching this guy work, which Ive since encorporated into my game to
great effect. So Twentysix games up some other girl who he NEARLY pulls (a super cute blondie, much hotter than his girl), and
both girls go home and fuck these two new guys who blew me out.
FUCK FUCK FUCK... I go home alone that night. The same way that many guys have gone home alone because of me. OUCH, I
know how it feels now... ahhahaa, its all a game anyway, so I theres winners and losers. Ill be a winner again, and Im sure Ill
lose alot of them too.
For me, when I see its GAME ON with the tug of war, I have key tools at my disposal:
1) Unlike 99% of natural players, I know that the key to the target is her peergroup. I befriend the obstacles and bring them ALL
home together. I literally TELL DIRECTLY to the obstacles to pull her friends off the competing players, because I like and want to
date her friend so that way we can all be a happy family.
2) Im willing to sit in set and just chat the obstacles, while the players up the targets buying temperature for me, and I wait for
the perfect time to make my move.
3) Out-alpha tactics, posted in Some AMOG tactics post I did a while back.
4) Social proof and jealousy. Unlike most players, I can walk into adjacent sets and blow them up, right in front of the girl I want.
5) Tell the obstacles that Im gay, and worried about the target, and that I want to be her new gay best friend and take her
shopping, and I want to save her from that guy. Then the friends push the girl on me and leave her alone with me, and the target
has no idea what Ive told the friends. In cases where the target hears that I told the friends that I was gay, I just say either that I
was joking, and then makeout and hookup with the target, or I say theyre wrong, or they never said it.. Whatever.
6) I throw up the BIGGER SHINY THING.. Ill do a magic trick (I rarely use them, but Ill use them and make the competing guy
player be the guy I do the trick on).. I have this one where I snatch a coin out of the guys hand, thats not really magic that I
learned at an MM Workshop. Its basic, but it works because you OWN the guy in front of the girl. I also just plow them with stories
or bring over other girls and introduce them, and then tell the pawn-girls I brought over to chat the guy, and then take my girl back.
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temperature up, I LOVE the challenge of competing against other players. You
see this in Leceister Square in London at the end of EVERY Friday and Saturday
night. The girls are walking around totally in state, and the player guys are
coming up to them one by one until one of them pulls them. Crazy shit.
Anyway, this is a fun thing that I like to do, and I know most other PUAs arent doing this stuff.
I really encourage you guys to have no fear of approaching even 1guy/1girl two sets, and taking the girls. Youd be surprised how
often the two barely know eachother. Also, if you EVER and I mean EVER see natural players gaming up girls, never be afraid to go
in and open ONLY the girls.
How do you know if its natural players? Hahaha, well, I hate to say this, but 9 times out of 10, if the girls look like theyre having a
good time (ie: theyre giggly or touching the guy alot), then its a pickup, NOT a boyfriend with his longterm girlfriend. Why?
Because girls arent having fun if theyre with their LTR. They usually only have fun with players. haaa, sad but true.
So if you see girls all giddy, then its probably a pickup, and you can easily swoop in and play a little tug of war with the other PUAs.
Its fun, and I often make friends with the other natural PUAs who Im competing against. In fact some of my friends Ive met in the
field are players whose girls Ive taken home right from them, earned their respect, and now we hang out.
I have a ton more to say on this topic also, which maybe Ill post someday or in addition to this. Tug of war is something I do all
the time, and I encourage you guys to give it a shot because its WAY easier than it looks. It looks tough, but if you just use the
principles you learn from ASF, youll find its in fact very easy. Just ignore the social situation, and PLOW THEM FUCK OUT OF THE
GIRLS WITH ROUTINES right in front of the guys. Easy shit, and great for ONS.

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LOCKUP
Field tested alot in the past 2 weeks, and is working unexpectedly well so far..
What Ive been doing is recognizing when a girl in the set isnt into it or locking up, and saying early on shes not into this.. I dont
want to be one of those guys.... I dont want to split up your group.. Then back off a bit, or do backturns.
Sometimes Ill even say, shes just going to drag you off in a minute anyway, and I dont want you guys to be split up.., which
when she does try to drag her off, you just say see.. shes the drag away girl.. youre going to leave now.., which the chick knows
that shell come off like she cant think for herself if she leaves now that you showed you recognize it, so she stays and blows off the
CB.
Also, you can say your friend is locked up.. HB responds what? Then say, yeah.. my little sister was telling me that when she
meets guys that shes not totally comfortable around yet, and they start asking questions or come off like they want something, she
kind of freezes up and she cant move or give proper answers.. see look and then go high-5 to the locked up chick, and of course
she wont give it back, which technically is ridiculous.. then laugh at bit, and say see! shes locked up.. :)
The locked up chick will often start laughing, because she realizes that she cant move (common in clubs, especially when winging
with newbies), shell either laugh, or your target will laugh and social proof you.
Often the girls that are showing IOIs to start grabbing their friend whose locking up, and saying shit like hey, theyre cool.. these
guys are awesome.. blah blah Social proofs you, until they unlock and you bring them into the set.
Also, if youre running 2sets with a wing, and your chick is liking you but your wings chick isnt liking him, use your leverage to get
your wing in with his chick, by getting your chick to social proof him no Sue, this guys cool.. I like him, hes cool.. Especially
since if he loses her, youre probably fucked also.
Ive been using this with newbies who wing with me, and its whats allowed me all the pulls lately even though Im winging with
newer who in the past would have blown me out.
Tonight results (used on every set): Every proper set I ran ended either with the girl offering up the # without me asking, or
offering to leave with me. Literally, every single one - like no exaggeration. Of course Im in Ft.
Lauterdale Florida, which is probably the easiest turf Ive ever seen.

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HOW TO TAKE THE FUCK OVER A SET

In group sets, you always see some of the girls who arent paying full attention, starting to lets go dance you.
I can always sense it as it comes. You can see the one of the girls starting to look around a bit....... Shes looking towards the
dance floor....... Shes not listening to you even though her friends are.............. LETS GO DANCE, and POOF the whole set
leaves.
To me, I TAKE THE FUCK OVER every set. I take it by the balls and OWN the set.
The reason I write that in such a testosteron-ish melodramatic way, is that so many guys dont take the fucking set over. They let
the set run them, they dont run the set.
For me, there are things I do to take a set.
1) SHOWS OVER HERE That is the money fucking line for girls who arent paying attention. Tap her on the shoulder lightly, and
go Hey.. Shows over here, and then look immediately away from her and smirk to her friends, and keep going. Its very
dismissive, and funny as fuck.
I know it doesnt sound that funny in text, but just try it on a set and watch them bust out laughing.
I will CONSTANTLY and REPEATEDLY say shows is over here to the chicks as they look away. PLOW THROUGH. Just keep on the
gameplan, and IGNORE them basically.
2) ARE YOU MULTITASKING ME? Haa, I learned that from this supremely socially proofed super cool gay dude on my campus.
He doesnt take bullshit from anybody (hes the most popular person on my entire campus). Hes chatting me, and there are girls
tugging on me left and right. Hes like Tyler, are you multitasking me, and he just walks off. It was fucking pimp, even if it was
from a gay dude.
3) YOU GUYS ARE LIKE LITTLE KITTENS IN A PRAIRIE, JUMPING FROM ONE STIMULUS
TO THE NEXT.. OH LOOK, ITS A BUTTERFLY.. NO WAY, A BIRD!!! NO WAIT... A
LEAF!!!! Then laugh at them for being retarded.
4) BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH. Alright, this is weird, but if that damned OUTKAST
HEY YA song comes on, I just say scream to your friend and run like hell to
the dancefloor. Why do I say this? Because that fucking song always fucks up
my set. I can have a girl making out with me, and that song comes on and she
books it to the dancefloor without even saying bye, and then later accuses me
of leaving her. WTF!?! So to pre-emptively counter-strike this bullshit,
Twentysix and I just started doing it to them FIRST, before they can do it to
us. So we do that, and the girls laugh at it, and then we make fun of them for
being about to do it to us.
For future readers of this archive, theres always some hot new song that fucks you over in set. So just do that for whatever song it
is.
5) CALL THEM ON THEIR BULLSHIT BODYLANGUAGE. If Im rolling up on a set sitting down at a bar, and they dont turn around
when I pull up a chair, Ill call them on it. Ill say shit like Right now, if someone were to look, it would look like Im one of those
lame guys trying to get your attention, because youre turned away from me. I want to chat you guys for a sec, but if youre not
going to turn around, Im leaving right now to go hang with my friends.
6) SAY YOU HATE THEM WHEN YOU RE-ENGAGE. If they leave mid-set, always
re-engage them by saying you hate them. Theyll apologize for leaving. This
is also useful for when some contingency breaks apart your set, like a bar
fight or someone puking, etc.
7) COMMENT ON ALL NON-FAVOURABLE BODYLANGUAGE. If a friend is locked up, say She thinks Im weird. The girls will freak
and giggle that you could read their bodylanguage and lockup.
8) CALL THE PEERGROUP FOR BLOCKING YOU. Ill say Are you the jealous drag away friend? Honestly, Im trying to chat this girl
because shes the first girl Ive met in a club that I liked in a while, but honestly Im leaving now because of you, since I know that
if I dont get along with a girls friends, its all pointless, because youll fuck it up on me after I leave and negative girl eyecode her.
Why are you acting like this?
I also say shit like WTF??? Are you about to lets-just-go-dance me? Or were-going-to-the-bathroom-ing me??? I havent had
that since I was 19.. WTF???
9) PLOW THEM WITH TONALITY THAT ENGAGES THE GROUP. I project so fucking loud,
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every girl. If you dont do this, you will NEVER pull from groups consistently.
You must engage the entire group.
10) IGNORE THEIR THREADS, AND DONT LET THEM STALE THEIR OWN SET. Girls will go into their own threads, and start their
own conversations, mid set. Cut them off. Pretend you didnt hear. If they direct their own convo logical, theyll BORE
THEMSELVES out of state. Stick to your gameplan, and RUN THE SET, DO NOT LET THE SET RUN YOU.
I have to laugh at all the KJs who have no clue, that will think or write Thats terrible.. It wont work.. blah blah.. Theyll think
youre obnoxious, when in reality, if you dont do this in a club, youre fucked. That is the reality of clubs.

RULES AND UNDERSTANDINGS:

Clubs are STIMULUS venues for girls. They go their and are like ZOMBIES jumping from one stimulus to the next. BE THE NEXT
STIMULUS.
In danceclubs, BE FLAKIER AND LESS ATTENTIVE THAN THEM. Make it look like youre going to leave or get distracted by all the
pretty lights and music. Be like a chick. Dont say hi or acknowledge the chicks if you see them later. This isnt so much the case
in lounge, but whenever re-initiating, never forget that they STILL are NOT your friends. You must re-initiate them with something
stimulating, or youre blown out.
SIT with the chick ASAP. GET COMFORTABLE IN THE SET. Girls can tell instantly when youre being an entertainment monkey. If
the set is seated, DO NOT bend over and try to get their attention. STAND UP STRAIGHT, say the first sentence of your opener, and
then 30-second false time constrain and sit and IMMEDIATELY jump into more of the opener or material. More important, is that so
many guys I see never get into proper kino. What I mean, is that you want to be sitting at a bar stool, with her standing in between
your legs with her hands on yours (your hands are palms up). You can kino-ping and also throw her hands away periodically. The
TRUST-TEST will allow you to constantly take her hands, without her getting ASD. Get her on the couch, or on your lap, or
SOMEWHERE COMFY that you can WORK. TAKE OVER THE SET, dont be a loser who stands there in the middle of the club, too
afraid to take charge and move the pickup somewhere comfy.
Have fun - play the game.

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In group sets, you always see some of the girls who arent paying full attention, starting to lets go dance you.
I can always sense it as it comes. You can see the one of the girls starting to look around a bit....... Shes looking towards the
dance floor....... Shes not listening to you even though her friends are.............. LETS GO DANCE, and POOF the whole set
leaves.
To me, I TAKE THE FUCK OVER every set. I take it by the balls and OWN the set.
The reason I write that in such a testosteron-ish melodramatic way, is that so many guys dont take the fucking set over. They let
the set run them, they dont run the set.
For me, there are things I do to take a set.
1)

SHOWS OVER HERE That is the money fucking line for girls who arent paying attention. Tap her on the shoulder lightly, and
go Hey.. Shows over here, and then look immediately away from her and smirk to her friends, and keep going. Its very
dismissive, and funny as fuck.
I know it doesnt sound that funny in text, but just try it on a set and watch them bust out laughing.
I will CONSTANTLY and REPEATEDLY say shows is over here to the chicks as they look away. PLOW THROUGH. Just keep on
the gameplan, and IGNORE them basically.

2)

ARE YOU MULTITASKING ME? Haa, I learned that from this supremely socially proofed super cool gay dude on my campus.
He doesnt take bullshit from anybody (hes the most popular person on my entire campus). Hes chatting me, and there are
girls tugging on me left and right. Hes like Tyler, are you multitasking me, and he just walks off. It was fucking pimp, even if
it was from a gay dude.

3)

YOU GUYS ARE LIKE LITTLE KITTENS IN A PRAIRIE, JUMPING FROM ONE STIMULUS TO THE NEXT.. OH LOOK, ITS A
BUTTERFLY.. NO WAY, A BIRD!!! NO WAIT... A LEAF!!!! Then laugh at them for being retarded.

4)

BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH. Alright, this is weird, but if that damned OUTKAST HEY YA song comes on, I just say scream to
your friend and run like hell to the dancefloor. Why do I say this? Because that fucking song always fucks up my set. I can
have a girl making out with me, and that song comes on and she books it to the dancefloor without even saying bye, and then
later accuses me of leaving her. WTF!?! So to pre-emptively counter-strike this bullshit, Twentysix and I just started doing it
to them FIRST, before they can do it to us. So we do that, and the girls laugh at it, and then we make fun of them for being
about to do it to us.
For future readers of this archive, theres always some hot new song that fucks you over in set. So just do that for whatever
song it is.

5)

CALL THEM ON THEIR BULLSHIT BODYLANGUAGE. If Im rolling up on a set sitting down at a bar, and they dont turn around
when I pull up a chair, Ill call them on it. Ill say shit like Right now, if someone were to look, it would look like Im one of
those lame guys trying to get your attention, because youre turned away from me. I want to chat you guys for a sec, but if
youre not going to turn around, Im leaving right now to go hang with my friends.
6) SAY YOU HATE THEM WHEN YOU RE-ENGAGE. If they leave mid-set, always
re-engage them by saying you hate them. Theyll apologize for leaving. This
is also useful for when some contingency breaks apart your set, like a bar fight or someone puking, etc.
7)
8)

COMMENT ON ALL NON-FAVOURABLE BODYLANGUAGE. If a friend is locked up, say She thinks Im weird. The girls will freak
and giggle that you could read their bodylanguage and lockup.
CALL THE PEERGROUP FOR BLOCKING YOU. Ill say Are you the jealous drag away friend? Honestly, Im trying to chat this
girl because shes the first girl Ive met in a club that I liked in a while, but honestly Im leaving now because of you, since I
know that if I dont get along with a girls friends, its all pointless, because youll fuck it up on me after I leave and negative girl
eyecode her. Why are you acting like this?
I also say shit like WTF??? Are you about to lets-just-go-dance me? Or were-going-to-the-bathroom-ing me??? I havent
had that since I was 19..
WTF???

9)

PLOW THEM WITH TONALITY THAT ENGAGES THE GROUP. I project so fucking loud, the entire group must listen. I constantly
engage the whole set, looking at every girl. If you dont do this, you will NEVER pull from groups consistently. You must
engage the entire group.
10) IGNORE THEIR THREADS, AND DONT LET THEM STALE THEIR OWN SET. Girls will go into their own threads, and start their
own conversations, mid set. Cut them off. Pretend you didnt hear. If they direct their own convo logical, theyll BORE
THEMSELVES out of state. Stick to your gameplan, and RUN THE SET, DO NOT LET THE SET RUN YOU.
I have to laugh at all the KJs who have no clue, that will think or write Thats terrible.. It wont work.. blah blah.. Theyll think
youre obnoxious, when in reality, if you dont do this in a club, youre fucked. That is the reality of clubs.

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RULES AND UNDERSTANDINGS:
Clubs are STIMULUS venues for girls. They go their and are like ZOMBIES jumping from one stimulus to the next. BE THE NEXT
STIMULUS.
In danceclubs, BE FLAKIER AND LESS ATTENTIVE THAN THEM. Make it look like youre going to leave or get distracted by all the
pretty lights and music. Be like a chick. Dont say hi or acknowledge the chicks if you see them later. This isnt so much the case
in lounge, but whenever re-initiating, never forget that they STILL are NOT your friends. You must re-initiate them with something
stimulating, or youre blown out.
SIT with the chick ASAP. GET COMFORTABLE IN THE SET. Girls can tell instantly when youre being an entertainment monkey. If
the set is seated, DO NOT bend over and try to get their attention. STAND UP STRAIGHT, say the first sentence of your opener, and
then 30-second false time constrain and sit and IMMEDIATELY jump into more of the opener or material. More important, is that so
many guys I see never get into proper kino. What I mean, is that you want to be sitting at a bar stool, with her standing in between
your legs with her hands on yours (your hands are palms up). You can kino-ping and also throw her hands away periodically. The
TRUST-TEST will allow you to constantly take her hands, without her getting ASD. Get her on the couch, or on your lap, or
SOMEWHERE COMFY that you can WORK. TAKE OVER THE SET, dont be a loser who stands there in the middle of the club, too
afraid to take charge and move the pickup somewhere comfy.
Have fun - play the game.

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DOWNPLAYING GIRLS HAVING FITS:

OK big truck, gear down
OK snuggle monkey is needing her cuddles.. Whose turn is it?
Youre cute. I like you (then IMMEDIATE backturn and walk off into another set)
FROM JLAIX: OK funhaters cant play.. are you a fun hater?
CANNED OPENERS

if you dont feel GOOD about the canned opener, it will bomb. Right now, Ive used most of my canned openers so many times,
that they literally wont open anymore. Back when I first used the Ricki Lake, I thought it was HILARIOUS.. I was like hahah
this is the SHIT.. tricking girls into thinking Im on TV just to initiate PUs.. But after doing it literally 200-300 times, I got so
fedup with it that it simply WILL NOT OPEN. So if he feels that way RIGHT AWAY, then it probably will have the same effect.

a canned opener is NOT supposed to be your 100% go-to opener. Its what you use when you see a chick, follow 3s-rule and
walk up, and cant think of anything spontaneous. IMO, its better to not violate 3s-rule and use a canned opener, than to sit
there for a minute or two thinking of how to open. If youre GOOD at improv, then you have no need for canned openers. Im
decent at it, but I prefer the tried-and-tested canned opener most of the time.. If my improv skills improve, I may drop them
altogether.

Nobody ever said that strawberry fields and other games were meant to attract.
Its GROUP THEORY. They get you SOCIAL PROOF, or provide an EXCUSE to isolate.
Other than that, you can use them as an excuse to continue a convo later on
(IOW, to #close her), or maybe to use as a more fascinating convo topic than
my car drives fast, and I work at IBM.. So use them as BAIT, not as
attractors.
Canned stuff is excellent either for specific purposes (groups, isolations, etc), or for guys who arent skilled at either closing via
projecting sexual state, or closing via conversational skills of the highest calibre (or perhaps they do have convo skills, but they cant
use them in the presence of gorgeous women).
Canned openers that you LIKE can be great in certain situations because they allow you to focus on the HOW and not the WHAT..
they allow you to use your precious processor time to worry about HOW you are saying it as well as watch her response. Have
opener and a first routine that the opener can lead into. Have 2 or 3 more routines to move into automatically. That way you can
just go in and unleash the beast. Canned routines are canned because they are TRIED and TESTED.
You need not always use this stuff, but HAVE it in case you NEED it.
In a sarge, you are trying to get from point A to point B as efficiently as possible. PUs can be made to have a loose STRUCTURE. If
you are too COMMITED to that structure then you will LOSE OUT on many occassions. But if you find a model that has worked for
you (inevitable if you sarge regularly) then you can try following it again at certain junctures or if certain situations arise. If you
know that a particular story will be very likely to put a girl into a state that you can close her, then that may work as a nice closing
routine.
Who here can call the evolution phase kiss close not a good routine for club PUs??
One discrepancy on this board about routines is that people have different DEFINITIONS of routines. Its important to specify what
youre talking about -> OTHER peoples stuff, or YOUR stuff. I use mostly MY stuff that isnt posted here, but I do use SOME stuff
from other people if I happen to like it. Typically, Ill enjoy a new opener around 100 times, and then it is DEAD.
Incidentally, I need some new canned openers right now.

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BUSTING GIRLS ON THEIR MANNERISMS

Im always fucking around with new shit, and heres the latest routine I like pulling on girls in clubs or public gatherings, to get the
ball rolling - busting them on their manneurisms.
The idea is that I steal their frame, and show them that I know what theyre up to. This seems to work well because:

they laugh hysterically at it, so it starts getting them into state

they cant as easily use their best defenses, because theyll look like theyre feeding into what you expect of them (same idea
as trapsetting - they act bitchy oh, you guys ARE badgirls)
you show that you know the game, and therefore you have IMPLICIT social proof, because you obviously have met alot of girls
in your day
you give them alot of comfort, because it shows that you understand alot how they feel and what theyre going through while
you game them

CHICK MANNEURISMS:
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Saying they have to go to the bathroom, and blowing you off, when you say something wrong.
Looking at eachother constantly (girlcode) while you game them.
Saying hey, were Lesbians.. shes my girlfriend, leave her alone
Dragging the friends away, while one of them is at buying temperature and sort of reaches back like she doesnt want to go
while the CB drags her off.
In a 2set, one girl is interested in the one of the guys, but the other isnt, so she leaves so her friend isnt lonely.

ROUTINES:
1)
2)

3)

4)

5)

When a girl says something you can misinterpret as being bad, you say ummm.. I have to go to the bathroom.
When the girls look at eachother, say Hey, ummmm is that girlcode?! You know me and my friend have a code too.. Watch..
Then, say look, you keep doing it! (point at their two faces) What happens is that by you SAYING it, theyll look at eachother
out of reflex, and then realize youre right (giggle hysterically). Then, you say you know we have our own GUY CODE, and
every time they say something, you and your wing look all shocked at eachother simultaneously. Theyll laugh at this also.
Drop it, but then LATER on, to get a laugh from them, you can do it again.
Say hey.. umm this is my BOYFRIEND.. leave him alone Girls know this frame, and they know they use it all the time on guys
they dont like, so theyll laugh their heads off. (Of course your friends will wonder WTF youre doing, false disqualifying
yourself like this.. I noticed some guys post back TD tells chicks hes gay, and I worry that guys will go out and act on this
based on a third party interpretation). So faking being gay is COCKY-FUNNY, not REAL. Its meant to be PLAYFULLY pushing
them away (push/pull).
If one of the friends is about to drag her friend away, say hey, youre the drag away girl.. you know Im the drag away guy,
and then DRAG your wing off, while he looks like a deer in the headlights, and reaches his hand out to the girlset while you
drag him off. Just drag him a few feet until the girls laugh their heads off, and then come back..Congrats, the CB loves you,
and youre still in the set.
In a 2set, if your chick loves you, but your wingmans chick isnt digging him (coincidentally usually the uglier chick, who is
pissed at her friend hitting buying temperature too quickly), say to your chick hey.. youre awesome, but my friend is getting
bored cause your friend isnt being open with him.. I dont want him to be all alone so were going to go. If she likes you,
shell start social proofing your wing, saying hes cool.. hes cool.. and making her friend get into your wing. This way, you
dont get blown out of the set. The set should split into 2 conversations at this point, and youre both IN if you dont fuck it up.

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CALLING CLUB GIRLS ON BEING UNGENUINE

Sets that have only hot girls and no UGs or guys to open off of must be MERGED and not opened directly.
Just get 2 HB7s on your arms, and roll into the set of hotties with them. Then tell the 2 HB7s to get their hands off of you, and that
they have no chance with you.. Look at the group of HB9s and say pffft... women.. anyway, get this..
If the HB7s get pissed off and ask why you brought them there then, act like you have no idea WTF theyre talking about, and turn
your back on them the SAME way that the HB9s would turn their back on you. So IOW, dont argue with the HB7s.
Yep, its a sad world when this would turn chicks on, but it does, so dont question it.
Also, be careful not to be facing towards chicks when you open them. Have bodylanguage that looks disinterested, in order to
disarm them.
A final tactic that if you havent read Id really check out (I love this shit), is what Ive been doing lately... Check the Frame
Setting post in advanced.
What I do now, is literally CALL CHICKS OUT for being FAKE and INGENUINE.
Ill tease them for being fake, and that I think that most people are nice once you get to know them, and that they probably would
NEVER act like this during the daytime..
Point out that if they think that guys in the club are that bad, then why do they go there??? Just to dance??
Also, that you understand that alot of guys get bold from alcohol and approach in incompetent/ingenuine ways, but that its bad if
theyre going to let the bad guys ruin the GENUINE guys, and that theyre letting THEMSELVES become UNGENUINE people.
NOBODY likes to be called fake and not genuine, so call them out on it.
Do this in a FUN way, NOT argumentative. Look unbothered, and ALPHA.
You may not lay them, but theyll chat you for a while, and you can pawn the HB9s on another set for social proof.
NO MORE VALUE CONVEYING AFTER VENUE CHANGE
ONCE VENUE CHANGE TAKES PLACE, THERE IS NO FURTHER VALUE CONVEYING.
Shes CHOSEN you, and now if youre quiet, shell act like a GUY trying to game on a chick. The quiet will just attract her MORE,
cause shell be worried that its not still ON (since youre not trying super hard the way that 99% of guys do when theyre moving
venues or back home).
That means that youve already gotten full attraction, and now youre in rapport. If she busts on you, or ignores you, you do simple
punishment/reward. Most chicks dont leave a club with you unless they biologically want you (you give them the excuse by not
over-gaming in the club, and full seducing in the right isolated venue later on).
Once we were at the party, the chicks already knew that wed sarged 3 sets prior to them (like an hour worth of sarging that they
saw, with girls giggling and all that), including some very snobby exclusive JAPs and a set of supermodels looking like they were
going to run after us while we were all leaving together. They knew we were the shit. By continuing to sarge, it would have fucked
HBJAPs state.
The solution to venue changes, including parties, is to just sit there and look TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH YOURSELF. Not trying
to socialize or anything like that, it doesnt matter. Theyve ALREADY CHOSEN YOU, so you can ONLY FUCK IT UP.
I speak from many many BOTCHED post-club instant-dates, where Id sarge at the next venue and botch it. Id go home alone
scratching my head like WTF happened? This shit never happens anymore though.
Why? Cause these days I dont worry about conveying more value, but trust the value Ive built, and tend to just sit there, and wait
them out. I find that chicks will always take me home if I do it like that.
SAME goes for while youre EN ROUTE while you switch venues. Dont try to chat them the whole walk/drive. Just walk with your
wing, and have your own convo. Youll NEVER succeed in gaming them enough to keep them in state while youre WALKING. Its
not realistic. Instead, TRUST the game that you laid in the club, and just walk to the next venue without trying TOO HARD. If talk
happens, FINE. But dont push for it. Theyve CHOSEN YOU, so anything you do is more likely to fuck it up than it is to help
(especially if theyve already chosen you on a biological level). Just wait until theyre alone, and THEN do your thing.
Careful here though. Use PUNISHMENT/REWARD once shes chosen you, and youre in rapport. Dont use C&F comebacks or shit
test passing measures. PURE punishment/reward. David D says attraction is not a choice. Remember that. If shes attracted,
just use punishment/reward, dont try to continue attracting her.
Good feedback, cause it gave me the chance to address these issues. Youre on pretty much the exact page I was on about 3
months ago, but since Ive done it this way its gotten full results. Give it a shot man, you wont regret it. Just re-read the post on
push/pull that I just recently wrote, and use the stuff about bodylanguage push/pull, which is the ESSENCE of punishment/reward
(IOW, when they shit test, dont diffuse it with C&F, but just punish through withdrawal of attention).
Basically, when youre in a club where by virtue of BEING THERE youre socially proofed, theres an entirely DIFFERENT way of doing
things.
Normally we go:

attraction (because in a club, she wont give you the time of day without it)
rapport
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But in socially proofed scenes -> that means anything where just by virtue of
being there youre pre-cool, its:

rapport

intrigue (through rapport, she becomes intrigued with you via commality, and
Swingcat is standing over my shoulder right now blabbing this to me as I type
this, and he lives here :)... )

attraction (via ignoring her with pushaways)

qualify
close

Push her away, then go to her friend, then push her friend away, then go back..
etc etc. Do alot of backturns and all that good shit.. Moving in like youll
kiss her, and pushing her off.
You guys can see that the difference here is that you dont want to come in ball busting, because you already have value PRIOR to
approaching.
At the club tonight I chatted some 9s or 10s (semantics blah blah, theyre model calibre) and theyd be all cool with me even if I was
just like hi. Not going to happen in most scenes, but because the fact I could get into a club like this, they ASSUME that I must be
somebody, and theyre willing to give me a chance. Its like in a normal club, if Id socially proofed the entire place, and Id opened
the hot sets, in these clubs you have IMPLICIT social proof, so its not as necessary in some respects (of course social proof is always
good, so whatever)
Anyway, Im not claiming expertise, but that seems to be the way that the scene works here.

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TURNING AROUND A SET

Sometimes I find myself in a position where the girls are pissed off in the set. Its usually either because I accidentally took
something too far, or more often because the girls wont let me into the set, so Ill say something to piss them off, so that I can
start drama and get into the set down the line.
I was just thinking to post about this, because I had a great turn around last night while I was out. It was a great night, btw. I
picked up a Playboy magazine model in front of her boyfriend. She chased me for my # after an hour set. Then we pulled another
set of hotties home that we took from two big black dudes. A magazine reporter watched the whole thing go down even back to the
house, so I guess the report will be in the Rolling Stone at some point.
The funny thing was though, I felt like the turnaround I ran earlier in the night was more interesting than any of this. It was just
really well executed, and got me out of a nasty situation. The other stuff is cool but its stuff Ive had down for a while. This is
something Ive more been working on.
My friend PlayboyLA and I were in a 2girl/1guy three set, and PlayboyLA was running the CsvsUs routine. He negged the girl on
having a U-shaped jaw, and she freaked out. She claimed to workout at the same gym as Christina Aguilera (Im in LA right now),
and apparently she hates her with a passion. She freaks out, and yells Fuck off. Leave now. Turn around and get out of here. Fuck
off. He laughs it off, and again, she says Fuck off. Go.
So this is obviously not a great situation. But it can be turned around, and where theres problem theres opportunity. In this case,
they get more emotional, so when you turn it around, the drama you caused will just heat things up.
Heres how I did it:
First, PlayboyLA and I just look at eachother and start laughing. Like were congruent with it. We think its funny. Then I turn to her
and say Man, if I wasnt going right now, Id adopt you as my new little sister. You could definetely roll with me in New York. You
are totally New York. You could be my bodyguard. It would be like you know those boxer puppets from the eighties, where you
press the two little triggers and they punch backwards like this (I do it). Youd be like that, but with your foot, like kicking guys in
the nuts, like this (I make funny kick moves). Thered be a path of destruction, like with guys all hunched over that you fucked up.
You know what though? You and I would not get along. You know why? Were too similar. You wouldnt take my shit, and I wouldnt
take your shit.
Then she starts laughing, but shes still kind of pissed. Shes cracking though.
Immediately, I follow with You know, Im so sorry. Were total dicks sometimes. People think were dicks sometimes, because were
always fucking around. We like you guys. Sorry for being dicks. I say this sincere, but from a position of authority. Like my vocal
tonality isnt seeking approval in any way.
Then I follow it up with a field tested funny story (in this case, the bad ass kids story).

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TURNAROUND STRUCTURE:
Dont acknowledge that shes even pissed. Dont show any facial expressions of reaction to her bullshit. Laugh it off, but in a
way where youre not laughing to cover up discomfort. Like you think shes almost joking or teasing. This is important, because
if she thinks you realized she was serious, its natural psychology to be consistent to it and not let it go.
Interpret it like she just qualified herself to you, in the way that she showed that she can stick up for herself. Do this in a funny
way, using funny mini-cold-reads or future adventures projections.
Give a brief sincere apology from a position of authority.
Follow up immediately with something funny or intriguing to distract her. Change her mood not her mind.

I also really like Styles line about I grew up with sisters, and teasing was a form of affection. Also useful here.
Another concept I think is important is that when you heat up the situation, people will crave rapport. Like the way I befriend
AMOGs is to turn up the heat on them, but then say Dude, Im joking around man. Im not fucking with you. Whats up man? The
AMOGs immediately befriend me, because they felt the emotional/physiological heat of the interaction, and they want relief of
discomfort. So the same goes with the girls. I dont react or acknowledge the girls pissy behaviour, and then I heat it up a bit, and
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HOW TO PREDICT FLAKES

Some of my PUA buddies from my IM have seen this. Theres some ADDITIONS at the bottom, so scroll down if youre interested - I
have A-D-D-I-T-I-O-N-S labelled where the new stuff starts.
Warning: This post is kinda long and dense and boring, and if I saw it, Id probably never read it.. :)

Kept saying that Id write something on flakes. Havent had time to really cash
out how I do it at length, but this is my basic viewpoint on flaking.
I have a direct formula for avoiding flakes, which would take a LONG time to post (will at some point), but basically, it revolves
around a very basic concept (which btw, was fully validated having seen Mystery in action IRL last weekend)
Im not exactly sure how to explain this over the internet, but Ill try my best anyway.
Basically, as we all know, girls operate on emotions/feelings/PMS/etc. :)
So say that you pull off a really sweet sarge. Its just the shit.. you kiss the girl.. all that.. whatever.
You call her up, and you cant figure why she flakes on you.
Well the conclusion I finally came to was that the HIGH quality of the sarge is what fucked you up. Shes so EXCITED to meet you,
that the andreneline she gets from it just scares her and makes her not want to.
Its just like these guys trying to get girls from the internet to meet them. The LONGER they wait to meet, the more the girl LIKES
them as a person, but the more she FLAKES on meeting him, since the will this guy be as great as he seems... what if it isnt the
same nervousness makes her aprehensive, and she flakes.
For GUYS, we dont mind pushing through the awkwardness, because we want SEX ASAP... also, most of us have done all sorts of
scary things in our lifetimes, and its no big deal.
But chicks, they seem to get so excited and bent out of shape over it, they just flake.
Like Mystery last weekend. Occassionally, hed sarge chicks, theyd LOVE him (like NOTHING Ive ever seen), and hed try to #close
them, and theyd freak out. But YET, theyd still follow him around like hes GOD even after they said no. Theyd be all confused,
and start (LITERALLY) C-R-Y-I-N-G when hed try to close them. Theyd say shit like Im so freaked out.. the room is spinning.. I
dont know what to do..
Thats because his approach is based around landing ACTRESSES/MODELS/STRIPPERS as you all know. So THEY can take it, but
regular hotties (hair dressers, waitresses, etc, all fuckworthy, but dont have that status) get confused. I like him so much... why
am I scared to give him my # ?! I dont know what to do!..... seriously, youd have to SEE it to BELIEVE it.. Its just THAT fucked
up. It bends reality man. They follow him around and dont want to leave.. they take any shit he throws at them... but they start
crying when they think he might like them, because they just cant believe it.

Anyway, whats my solution to all this?

Well, for me, I found that if the sarge FELT (BOTH to me and her) very natural, then it would never flake. So if the sexual tension
was high (maybe we even get it on a bit), and it was an AMAZING sarge, shed flake later. But if it was a SOLID/DECENT sarge, but
still felt VERY natural to meet again (no nervousness), then shed want to meet for sure.
So the key was that if I didnt have the time to f_close her same day, Id try to gear down the sarge a bit, to seem less Mystery-like
(ie: I wouldnt seem like an IMMORTAL GOD). Then Id crank it up at the meet, when I DO have time to f_close. If I couldnt
manage that, then I knew I had to f_close it same day, or suffer the flake.
Also, in the case of flakes, I took to just saying Its fine.... I thought about it, and Im not looking for that kind of thing right now..
look, lets just spend some time together at the mall later today, and well just chill and hangout.. Im seeing other people right now
anyway (playing it off like you have a friendship connection and shit like that).
That tends to rewind them back to the more neutral and less flakey mindset, and then once they watch you sarge 15 HB8+ chicks at
the mall, and start to feel more AT EASE around you (knowing you longer, and also seeing that youre not LJBF material since they
view you sexually watching you hookup other women) and then theyll BEG you to be let back into the golden gates.
IOW, use her for BAIT as a PIVOT, until youve spent enough time together to feel more comfortable. This is DIFFERENT from being
a typical LJBF, since it doesnt have the same spineless loser who tries to be my friend to veil his desires type connotations that
LJBF is normally associated with. She still views you as alpha, and sexual, if you play your cards right. Then, you exploit the were
friends so we can hang out in my bedroom to pattern her and close the deal at a later point.
Now Mystery rightly pointed out to me that this is BACKWARDS, since you should have established social proof FIRST. But I just
learned group theory last weekend (had NO group skills prior), so I wasnt aware of it. Anyway, it could still work regardless of the
circumstances, assuming youre trying to damage control the situation (it would have to be for a chick thats worth it obviously).
Anyway, Im really not sure how well I explained that, but I hope its helpful.
You think Im on point with this or no?

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A-D-D-I-T-I-O-N-S:
Theres another PROBLEM that alot of guys here have. Basically, Ive noticed a TREND on the board. What often happens, is that
someone will go up on some chick, flirt it up with her for 20 minutes or so, and wonder, WHY DID THE CHICK FLAKE at the
phonecall?
Well its like this: People FLIRT all the time, but unless you have DEEP RAPPORT along with attraction, theres little chance that the
girl will want to continue it beyond that interaction.
So, IOW, just because she enjoyed flirting for 20 minutes does NOT mean that she necessarily wants to go out.
You should eventually develop a FLAKE-DAR for this shit. Basically, theres a DIFFERENCE between a flirty interaction, where the
chick just doesnt want to say outright NO at your contact info request (since she had some brief fun chatting you), and an
interaction where shes genuinely LOOKING FORWARD to seeing you again.
Now of course, its ALWAYS good to play the numbers and get a # in EVERY sarge. Often, the girl NEVER gets approached, and is
happy to see you again SOLELY on that account. This happens more than youd think, so ALWAYS go for the #close if you cant
f_close. (and even if you do f_close, get her number and her NAME so you can fuck her again E_D_D_Y!!!!)
Anyway, the way I gauge it, is if -I- dont feel nervous or in anyway unnatural seeing the girl again (ie: we had a genuine feeling of
rapport that didnt feel forced, ALONG with us potentially wanting to fuck) then there isnt a flake.
Have you ever had a PU where you kinda forced it, and even though you got alot of laughs and IOIs and such, you STILL didnt
really feel that youd like to necessarily see the person again if it werent for the fact that you wanted to FUCK HER. Thats often a
case where the chick will FLAKE on you.
Have you ever flirted with some old senoir lady, and gone through the WHOLE PU process just as sort of a joke for fun. Thats
FLIRTING. People do it ALL THE TIME. But you have to have a GENUINE of kind of feeling that youd like to see eachother again if
you dont want a flake. What do you think the old granny youre kidding around with, would do if you suddenly asked for her #
right?
And thats ALSO the type of thing (to a much GREATER extremity) that youre looking to avoid when you come on too SMOOTH or
too good, etc. The girl may think (why does he want me? it must be just to fuck, since our type of rapport isnt the kind where wed
meet up again just to see eachother)
Why?
Because although she may have wanted to fuck, she doesnt feel that kind of rapport connection with you to JUSTIFY it to herself,
ONCE YOU ARE GONE AND HER STATE IS BROKEN.
*****So basically, the way that I feel it works, is that there are TWO common
ways that a girl wont flake:
1) She genuinely wants to see you again, ON TOP of potentially being attracted.
(ie: it WASNT just a flirty interaction, but also a potential connection or
just naturally flowing type thing)
2) Shes a slut and knows youll fuck her, and has no qualms about that. (far
LESS COMMON, IME)
Primarily, however, its case -#1- that will prevent the BLUR, as MOST chicks arent that sexually liberated. (but you have to ADAPT
if you sense that they ARE, or else theyll flake too since they are only interested in a guy who will try to fuck them... and you may
do this with an SOI if thats the case)
CONCLUSION: If its not the type of interaction that is likely to continue (IOW, the state shes in likely stick even after you leave),
you MUST PUSH FOR THE F_CLOSE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
**********ALSO*****
I forgot to include this, but an EXCELLENT way to prevent the suspicious ASDs from going up (ie: her not thinking that you just
want to fuck her), is W_A_I_T until she does something to EARN you asking for her #.
SO -> even if you plan to f_close SAME DAY, if she says something that you can tell she thinks is something that will impress you,
ACT TOTALLY IMPRESSED. For example, a chick says to me, Im up for any dare.. Ill totally do anything... I say, OMG, I LOVE
chicks like that.. omg wed have SO MUCH FUN TOGETHER.. hahahaha... we GOTTA hang out.. gimme your # (incidentally I dare
her to come sit beside me so I can game her, but thats not related to this).
Then you can STILL try to same day f_close, but even if you cant, theres more chance that shell think that you are interested in
more than just sex (though she should still think you want sex, but her for her as well), and it disarms the ASD.
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PHONE GAME
I get a phone call from an ex-girlfriend that I'm still close with. We still hook-up, but I value her more as someone who I can talk to
now. I think that may change when I stop travelling and I'm around more. For some reason, she's an anomaly who is very self
aware of her tendencies. That is, as opposed to most girls I meet, who only offer useless socially conditioned rhetoric, whenever you
ask them about male/female interaction.
Over the course of the conversation, the topic of dating comes up. I ask, "What does it mean when you meet up with a guy, have a
great time, maybe even kiss, but then when he calls you don't go out with him? Like you make up excuses and don't return his
calls."
She replies, "Well there's this guy, Chris, who I met the other night. I really liked him. I offered him my number. He called me the
other night, and asked me to meet up. I told him 'You know what, I think I actually will. Let me call you back.' I really wanted to
meet up. For some reason I never did though. The thing is, that I can feel the emotion that I felt when I gave him my number, at
the time that we're talking on the phone. But the second we hang up, poof, its gone. Also, I actually have scheduling issues. It's not
like this is someone who I'm already friends with, who I'd give priority to. This is some new person that I barely know. If he
happens to catch me at the right time, I'd go out with him. But I won't take the time or go out of my way to return his calls. I don't
call guys."
I reply, "So theoretically, you're sufficiently attracted to this guy that under different circumstances you could have wound up
sleeping with him. Or even gotten into a five year relationship, for all you know. But just because of ill luck in timing and because he
actually believed that you'd call him back, now you'll never see him again. Is this weird to you at all?"
She replies, "Nope. It makes perfect sense. I don't care either way, because I have guys available to me at all times so it's my last
priority. That guy was cool and I thought he was cute, and maybe I'll see him again later or something. I also just give out my
number to be social most of the time. It doesn't mean I have any intentions at all."
I reply, "He could use that opportunity to continue the interaction to generate attraction down the line, no?"
She replies, "It's happened before. Really I just don't want to meet new guys. I like being social when I'm out. But if I'm attracted to
a guy, I'll probably flake on him. I've already slept with enough guys (she's nineteen years old, and has been with five guys), I don't
want to sleep with anymore right now. When I was with my two friends hanging out at these guys' house, we made each other
promise not to let each other do anything because the guys were cute."
I reply, "OK that makes sense. What if he's really good looking? Does that make a difference? Also, do you think that when he calls
its better for him to chat you for a while, so you can be reminded of why you gave him your number in the first place? Or should he
just call and immediately try to make plans? Also, do you think its better to call you out on your bullshit in a funny way if you
flake?"
She answers, "Looks means nothing when it comes to that stuff. I know within seconds if I could or couldn't sleep with a guy. I
knew within seconds that we'd have sex, the night that we met."
I reply, "Are you serious? I don't think that my looks are on a level that you'd want to sleep with me the second you saw me."
She replies, "True. But its in your energy. The way you come across. I can't explain it. As long as you're not morbidly disfigured
your looks won't be the main thing I judge on. Girls all say they want looks, but they wind up with guys who aren't hot all the time.
There's so many guys that I think are so hot, and I sit there waiting for them to talk and I'm all excited, and they're like "hi" with
some stupid line, and they sound retarded and act weird. It's such a letdown, and most hot guys are like that."
I reply, "Do you think the 25 point list I showed you has to do with that kind of stuff?"
She replies, "Yes, definitely. Also stuff that you don't have in there, like just your voice and facial expressions."
I reply, "OK, what about the other stuff with calling girls out on bratty behaviour? Like confronting her for flaking?"
She replies, "Well if a guy tries to argue with me, I'll just hang up on him. He would have to do it in a totally funny way that doesn't
make me upset or annoyed."
I reply, "Last night, I call up this flaky girl, and say 'You're so annoying to get a hold of! It's so cute though, you're so confused and
disorganized. It's like you're my bratty little sister. I don't even think I'm attracted to you anymore, I just want to take care of you
and help you get organized like a big brother.'... Then she started giggling and said 'No no no.. I'll meet up with you, don't think of
me like that!'.. Do you think that was a good approach?"
She replies, "Yeah definitely. That was funny and if you did that to me, I'd be like "Oh yeah, well maybe I WILL meet up with you
then!"
I reply, "OK awesome. So do you think its good to talk for like 15 minutes to remind her of what she gave you her number in the
first place, and then go for a meet?"
She replies, "Probably longer than that actually. I'm not sure. For you maybe less time because you do this stuff. But most guys
have no chance unless they're lucky because I'm either bored or looking for something at that point in time. I guess their best bet is
to try to talk to me as much as possible, so I become friends with them."
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A few thoughts on this.
First, guys will attribute flaking to a lack of attraction. I disagree with this line of thinking. Girls go into state, and forget about it
down the line. In fact, most of what occurs while a girls buying temperature is escalated will be forgotten by the girl. They become
disassociative and cognitive dissonance kicks in.
Have you ever noticed that whatever drama happens the night you meet a girl will be forgotten if you wind up dating? It's because
nothing that happens while she's in state counts to her. That's also why we don't bother worrying about whether or not a girl has a
boyfriend. She becomes disassociative when she's attracted, so its not relevant to the interaction.
That being the case, there are a few tendencies that guys in the scene have, that I think are wrong-headed:
1- Calling a girl on her bullshit for flaking in a way that isn't cute or fun, or in a way that sounds angry or like you actually care. In
my experience, the only girls who respond to that are the types who respond to this sort of behaviour in general, which is a certain
type of girl that is not the majority.
2- Putting the girl in a position where she has to call you back or its over.
3- Refusing to follow up with girls who don't make it easy to meet up with them again by, and thinking that you're somehow
'NEXTing' them.
4- Thinking that all value is strictly conveyed in person, and that it is a bad idea to talk for a long time on the phone because it
makes you look needy. Not that you *need* to call long. But rather, call as long as you feel like. Calibrate so as to hang up before
she gets bored, but enjoy the interaction as long as you want. It's just that much more comfort building, and is only taking you that
much closer to the endzone.
5- Giving up if the girl stands you up, because you think she isn't attracted.
For me, there are a few things that I'll do when it comes to the phone. First, if a girl flakes me, I'll tease her on it in a funny way. I
never get angry or look genuinely upset about it. I never focus on reasoning with them logically.
I also don't give up if a girl doesn't call back. At the same time, if they say they'll call back I'll say I don't get upset like I know they
won't. I'll just say "OK cool." and give them the chance. But then if they don't call back when they said they would, I'll call back a bit
later and just re-initiate the conversation as if I don't even remember that they didn't follow up.
Now when it comes to the idea that "if a girl disrespects me I'll NEXT her", that isn't my frame at all. To me, you can't NEXT a girl
who you haven't slept with. In my view, that's just her NEXT'ing you. It's only a girl that I'm already with that I'll do this to if she
annoys me or crosses my boundaries.
For a girl I haven't slept with yet though, I have a certain beliefs. She owes me nothing. It's all a game. No relationship or
connection exists between us until we've been together physically, because she reserves the right to walk away at any point. I have
no emotional ties to the interaction, and I have no ego about it. I just do what I think will work.
I also believe that there is a fundamental problem with many of the social ideas about how often and when to call. For example,
there exists an idea in society that waiting to call will create scarcity and value, as well as increase anticipation. To me this is very
wrong thinking. Notice that it stems from the fact that 99% of pickups in society are SOCIAL CIRCLE pickups. So for that kind of
phone number, you'd have probably had the tension building for weeks or months before the number was exchanged. Of course
waiting is better its been building for months. But for girls you met on a cold approach, that is not the case.
I know what world the girls live in. They live in the same world that I do. The world where you meet tons of girls (in their case its
guys), and tons of them like you and tons of them validate you. When I get home from a club, I literally cannot remember the
names or faces of girls I met. To be more accurate, I literally barely remember the names or faces of the last three girls I had sex
with. I just got off the phone with a girl that I was with less than twelve hours ago, and PlayboyLA and I had to think for five
minutes about what her name was before I returned her call. And I LIKED that girl. I remember she was a hot brunette around my
height, and seemed cool. But that's about it.
For girls, its the same. They can barely remember anyone they meet, because they meet so many people. To make matters even
worse, they become disassociative while they're in the club. Many of them have even had had a few drinks, but you couldn't tell. Of
course, you can do daytime pickup. But regardless, the girls still have access to many other good looking alpha guys the second
they want it. Most guys don't even realize that it is very rare that an attractive girl is not getting laid by one or more other guys.
That's even when they're single. They're still sleeping with their ex-boyfriends, or some player on the side. It's not like a hot girl is
NOT getting laid, anymore than you wouldn't be if you had the instant option. So when you're calling, they are about as motivated
to meet up with you as you would be to drive across town to a good Italian restaurant, when you're eating a good bowl of Chinese
right in front of you. Sure, the Italian would be great. But you have an unlimited Chinese buffet sitting right here. Why would you be
bothered?
The girls don't get that needy feeling that the guys get. They are always validated, because they've been in the club at least twice a
week, getting validated by all the guys complimenting them and buying them drinks.
When it comes to how I handle the phone, I don't worry that if I call back multiple times it will make me look bad. Because I have
high social value, and don't subcommunicate any neediness, I can call as much as I want. In fact, I'll call two or three times in a row
if she's not picking up, back to back. I'll call back whenever I feel like it, because its obvious that I'm amusing myself and that I

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don't really care. I could take it or leave it, and I'm just having fun. I'll call and shoot the shit, and then hassle her until she meets
up. Whatever.
I also combat excuses by adding in phone freezeouts, and following them with playful teasing and some semi-logical stuff like "Hey,
come chill for a few minutes. If you're bored, take off and we'll catch up later." My bro Mystery (www.mysterymethod.com) also has
a field tested routine about how its weird to barrel through the first awkward half hour of meeting someone new, but everyone you
know you had to go through it with, so let's just barrel through it.
My goal is to have the girl on the phone ASAP. I don't want them to have any time to forget that we have plans to meet up. I'll call
girls' cellphones even as I'm leaving the club and going for afterbar food. I'll have pulled a girl from the club to an afterhours food
place, and run off to the bathroom to call all my numbers, while my wing occupies our set (I have a habit of pulling a two set with
my wing for same night, and take numbers from the choice girls in larger sets). Whether I reach them or not, I'll call them again as
soon as I wake up the next afternoon, and get the ball rolling. I'm not thinking to make them wonder if I'll call or not, because I
know they could care less. Not because they aren't attracted. Rather, because there are many attractive prospects on their plates,
and regardless of my game, I'm one of many. The difference between me and them though, is that I'll get her and they won't,
because I'll play it properly.
If a girl stands me up, I'll call her and make fun of her for it. I'll hassle her to meet up. I'll say I'm still there and she had better get
her ass down there, because she's my little sister and if she doesn't get down here I don't know what trouble she'll get into if she
doesn't have me there to supervise her. I don't care either if she wants her friends to come or not. All of this means nothing to me. I
just want to see her again, because I'll get her no matter what she throws at me. The difference between a day1 and a day2 is that
she's there to see *me*. So she has no excuse not to come back somewhere private if we're spending time together. And from
there I can escalate.
So let's summarize. In my experience, I've found it best to get away from the idea that you're trying to make the girl fall in love
with you before you hook up with her. Focus on just showing you're a cool guy who she has the potential to be attracted to, and
then make it your only priority to see her again. Don't worry about your value over the phone. You can't wreck a sarge from over a
phoneline. That makes no sense. If you're the kind of guy who she's attracted to, then just act congruent to that over the phone.
Call her and get her accustomed and accepting that you're in her life now. Make plans, and if she is flaky don't worry about it, and
be playfully persistent by chatting her more, not by talking non-stop about the flaking. Meet, have fun, connect, isolate.

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HOW TO GET 7S AND 8S CONSISTENTLY

Tell them that theyre hot.... literally.
My biggest problem with these girls flaking on me is that if theyre not 9s or 10s, they feel underqualified.
So I thought Id think outside the box and try qualifying them to me on their looks.
As anyone in the field knows, most girls are cool enough people, but like most guys just arent good at CONVEYING it on the spot in
a pressure social situation (like meeting a cool new guy). So they sit there, and have very little to say other than dumb situational
shit (like most guy AFCs). So you wind up trying to pull them or take a #, and it seems totally incongruent, because they cant
figure out why this money attractive guy wants them, when they know he could get a 9 or 10. Theyve done nothing but sit there
and laugh at your jokes, and theyre too stumped on what to say that would warrant you wanting to see them again.
So what Ive started doing (and this has worked so far), is just saying wow, you are fucking cute.. Im really attracted to your
whole look (I may give a specific, and it may be more about their stereotype than a specific thing - tonight I say she had a
cool,together,tough girl thing going), and I never meet girls like that.. On top of it, the pre-supposition should be there that
youre having a good time together, so its not completely ridiculous.
What I do is push them away bigtime and run all my C&F and negs, but once theyve shown alot of interest in me, I just tell them
that Im genuinely attracted to them, and then I run the elastic band snapback effect DRUNK-#CLOSE on them (even when they
arent drunk), so theyll convince me to call them.
It works awesome so far, but well see if its just an NYC thing (where Im visiting right now).
After all, they ARE still 7s or 8s, so its conceivable that youd find them attractive. Theyve chased you, because youve shown zero
interest. And a big one is that I C&F/neg the shit out of them, and then say Heh, Im kidding.. Its just that I have to test you.. I
think youre really cute, and I have to see if you can take it. So actually, I guess Im qualifying them based on abilities to pass my
tests also. Then I go for a bit of commonalities, and boom, its all done.
This may likely be only something useful for guys who have very strong game already. I recommend it for guys who can run sets
well, already.
Make sure it comes across as genuine, and that youre not a horny/needy guy, but rather just a dude who enjoyed her company,
finds her attractive, and would like to hang with her again.

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PROCESS:
Regular indirect approach, tease/neg/activedisinterest to get her chasing you
Tell her that you were just testing her to see if she can take it, because shes cute.
Qualify her to you on her looks.
Use the DRUNK#CLOSE to still show willingness to walk away, and to lead her to make the #close for you, so shes still chasing
and convincing you.

Give it a shot (like actually field test), and report back results. Id love to hear back from guys who it both did and did not work for,
since Ive only started doing this, this week. Ive been laid twice out of it (by also using the escalating tests thing with
1)bestfriends,2)trust,3)tension Tests all stacked in a row, and then using this), and also made out with probably 20 girls and gotten
around 20 phone #s which many Ive followed up on and have day2s planned.

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UG THEORY
This may come off as satirical, which perhaps it partially is. But OTOH is IS ACTUALLY true.
Alright, I'm absolutely positive that I've now cracked the code for enabling PUAs to get UGs (any girl under HB8) attracted to them.
This will be useful either for guys who cannot find a non-substandard chick to get with in their vicinity but are addicted to
sex, or for guys who are trying to get social proof with UGs prior to engaging WORTHY TARGETS (be it in bars, or for whatever
reason, this is actually an EXCELLENT way to get social proof, before you SWITCH GEARS on your target)
Or maybe guys who think its funny to attract UGs.
One of the most common phenomenon that experienced PUAs have noticed is that they UGs hate them. David DeAngelo jokes about
how he can't initiate chats with UGs without getting shot down, and most of the best PUAs I've met can't seem to find a way to chat
with UGs.
My thoughts on this, is that its because "likes" are typically attracted to "likes".
Before ASF, I had no probs at all meeting and dating HB7s, but since I've studied to become a PUA they seem to really hate me. I
seem to set off their LSE alarm.
The SOLUTION, is to realize that if you are a PUA, chances are that you CONVEY VALUE to a HB7 just by gracing her with your
presence! :).... Snobby, yep. But go test it and YOU'LL SEE.
So as far as "likes" go, just look at many of the PUAs on our board:
PRE-ASF: their attractiveness to a girl = 5-7
POST-ASF: their attractiveness to a girl = 8 -10
Now they've become the MALE EQUIVALENT of a HB8-10. IOW, they emit the AURA of a high quality guy.
THE TECHNIQUE:
When you roll up on an UG, instead of using any kind of fascinatingconvo/openers/techniques/patterns/games/C&F/ANYTHING, just
say things such as:
-"it is sure busy in this place"
-"what is there that is interesting to do around here"
-"I work as an accountant. It is pretty cool."
-"it is so hot out lately. I like this weather."
-"wow, it sure is late. I don't normally stay out this late"
-"where do you work?"
-"my cat is really cute. I miss my cat."
This is to be said with MONOTONE INFLUXTION. Like you are a SERIOUS LOSER.
The effect is that your PUA vibe will gel with your simulated loserness, and turn you back into your former HB7 equivalent self,
therefore able to interact and engage with low calibre women once again!!
I'VE CRACKED IT!! YES!!!
I actually field tested this easily over 30 times now, and I DEMONSTRATED it to Twentysix and No9 at the club last night. I had the
whole group of UGs crowded around me! I literally did it like I was HALF ASLEEP, and Twentysix and No9 were sitting around me
laughing their heads off practically crying.. Meanwhile the UGs were absolutely enthralled.
Twentysix field tested it right in the middle of a set, he's going along with his STRONG GAME, and right in the middle he goes "it-issure-busy-in-here-tonight"
Chicks categories
1) Party chick who just wants a PURE cocky muthafucka, doesn't care about overqualification whatsoever.. just likes being
degraded, so she can get wet from the higher value that you convey, and fucks you. PURE C&F/HIGHER VALUE
2) NEW CATEGORY: Party chicks who DO care to some extent when you overqualify yourself, but will LOSE INTEREST when you GO
RAPPORT. So because rapport will lose their interest, but UG THEORY WILL NOT (since UG THEORY is not rapport, its different), we
go: C&F/HIGHER VALUE, UG THEORY
3) "Normal chicks" who want higher value, but won't sleep with you without rapport. C&F/HIGHER VALUE, RAPPORT
4) Ugly chicks, who are intimidated by all higher value.
UG THEORY, MAYBE RAPPORT BUT WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO FIND OUT SINCE THE ONLY REASON WE'RE USING UG-THEORY IS
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PICKING UP HIRED HOTTIES

Heres how I pickup staff. This is how I do it, maybe people have other ways. This is massively field tested, and Ive dated alot of
staffers in the past year. Mystery uses extremely similar stuff to this, which he also figured out himself. His staff game is probably
second to none. The strip club stuff I learned from him, and havent successfully done yet myself within the strip club (its a tough
skillset to come by, but I know I can do it with practise if Im inclined).
In my view, the strongest skillset is being able to pickup the staff.

strippers
waitresses
hostesses
shooter girls
bartenders
clothing store girls
club talent (girls hired to look good in posh NYC/LA clubs)

Everyone here able to think of a few of these girls that theyd have liked to get with? Theyre usually all HB9+ minimum, if the
place has any class.
These girls are hired for LOOKS.

2)
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PROBLEMS:
massive time constraints - theyre on the job, no time to talk and gain rapport (you may get them into state, but it wont be
enough)
they get hit on NON STOP
they try to put you into THEIR frame, by SHIELDING themselves from mens advances by using the customer frame

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SOLUTIONS:
The most obvious is to arrive at the bar EARLY so that they will have more time to talk. Still, barring that, we have solutions.

1)

Convey value OBLIQUELY. That means that you must garner massive social proof in front of the hottie. Be the man of the
room - sarge and get massive IOIs from the hottest chicks. Do this in front of the hired chick. This begs the question, if you
have other hotties, why do you care about the hired chick?.. Answer: Because the bar tenders, shooter girls, strippers, etc,
are SICK FUCKING HOT! :)
Anyway, dont even THINK of approaching the hired chick until you have social proof that is visible, because youre working
under massive time constraint.
Social proof is one of the FEW ways we have to convey value WHILE the girl is working, without directly using up the 5-10
minutes that we might have with her, which are really needed more for rapid fire rapport (since attraction can be established
obliquely through the social proof)
**EXCEPTION: In strip clubs, social proof with other strippers doesnt count, because they just assume youre a MARK. Get
social proof with the DJ and the manager - or LARGE groups of other strippers where theyre visibly attracted BEYOND the
massive amounts of FAKE IOIs that theyre hired to shoot out.
Back on topic - Then, procedure is to run a fast and short attraction game, followed by RAPID FIRE ANTI-FLAKE tactics. I have
a ton of these in my notes on my labtop (spastic ramblings part II is now written, and it is as fucked up as the first one.. the
anti-flake material is buried within.. flaking is now solved, if anyone gets flakes it their CHOICE but its not something that has
to happen unless we LET it, because it is now SoLVED)
I dont have time to post on this now, but the key is in the SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE frame. Use false-disqualifiers and
spontaneous reframes just having fun blah blah to get her to a venue where you can game her PROPERLY.
2)

Yes, they get hit on non stop. But were PUAs. Theyve never even SEEN a PUA before on our level. Exploit the social proof
PRIOR to approaching her, and shell hit on YOU to some extent. Use push/pull CAT THEORY type stuff as Mystery says. So
dont worry too much about that, but the important thing is.........

3)

STAY OUT OF HER FRAME. Theyll throw up all this shit at you about client relationship blah blah.. Its all bullshit, they dream
about getting picked up by one of the hot guys, every night they go out. When she tries to SOLICIT your ass for something
(drink, lapdance, shooter, clothes, etc), dont even acknowledge the question ->

CUT HER OFF......

CUT HER OFF..

CUT HER THE FUCK OFF.... :)

SHOOTER GIRL: Would you like a drink?
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SHOOTER GIRL: Ummm yeah.. so would you like a drink.. PUA: (smirk, turn head for 2 seconds, look back): Get this, yesterday
my little sister brings home this poster of David Bowie.. blah blah blah (game as youd game a NORMAL CHICK)
The key is to cut her off on her material, and start bringing her into YOUR reality (material, whatever).
Dont even ACKNOWLEDGE her frame with a response to it. PRETEND LIKE YOU
DIDNT HEAR IT, OR THAT YOU DID BUT YOU THINK ITS CUTE AND NOT WORTH RESPONDING
TO (like you would to a 4 year old)
Do you think situational stuff will work here? How about patterns? hahaha, NOPE, not usually. Youve got to HOOK her out of the
my boss will get mad mentality, so that shes so wanting to talk to you that she says well Ill give him a second, which leads to
her forgetting where shes at. Why? Because when you get a girl massively attracted she loses her ability to think straight, and will
fuckup her work in order to give you the 5-10 minutes that you need in order to get a solid bridge to see her again (after work, or
the next day).
PUSH THEM AWAY:
STRIPPER: wow.. thats so cool about your little sister.. do you want a lap dance now?
PUA: hah.. umm, hey youd better run along and go make some money for your boss so he doesnt get mad.. (plus the false
disqualifier makes her more aroused as an added bonus)
STRIPPER: hes not my boss.. I work for myself, Im not going anywhere..
SHOOTERGIRL: wow.. yeah youre so right.. girls are definetely sexual predators.. hey so do you want a shooter?
PUA: (turns head, goes back into his set/friends, 15-20 seconds pass, turns back to see her still sitting there little a little puppydog
wanting a milkbone treat).. OMG, youre still there? Oh dont worry! Youll sell your little drinks! OMG youre so cute! Dont worry
keep trying, I know youll do it.. (hug her or pat her on the head and be really nice to her... dont say this SARCASTIC, but say it
like shes your LITTLE SISTER and shes CUTE.. be CAREFUL not to be CONDESCENDING too much.. use the David D she my bratty
little sister.. annoying, but I love her anyway so so much type attitude.. hell, even SAY that line directly to her if you want)
Point here is, cut them off. Dont even ACKNOWLEDGE their frames.
If they ask you for a lapdance or to buy a drink or shooter or clothes, DO-NOT-EVEN-ANSWER. DISENGAGE THEIR FRAME.
This is counter-intuitive because it seems rude and whatnot. Girls are not guys. They dont think in these frames.
Just stick on your material, nothing situational whatsoever. Run game, suck them in, run quick-fire anti-flake tactics, get a solid
bridge. Seduce in the right isolated venue, and reep the rewards.
If you can learn this skillset, you have the (f)ind issue for HB9.5+ girls dealt with.

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DONT BE THE CHEESY GUY

I was just catching up on the latest posts, and was noticing something that I really think is a common mistake for guys coming to
the community. That is, being the cheesy guy trying to get the girl turned on.
In saying that, Im not referring to being sexual or projecting a reality that girls are drawn into. Rather, Im referring to tactics that
guys may have the impression are getting the girl revved up, when in really its just making them look childish.
Like something that I think a lot of guys dont get is that girls are chatting you, and yes its important to get them into you - but its
also equally important not to do anything stupid to disqualify yourself.
Its like when youre talking to a girl, and shell be totally into you, but the second you talk about your house or car she instantly
loses interest. Or youll tell her about how you beat somebody up, and she loses interest. Anything like that is visibly showing that
you are trying to change her opinion of you in an artificial way. The same goes for unwitty innuendo or anything that cleverly gets
her to do things shes not choosing to do on her own.
Theres a bit of a data fallacy though with pickup, because guys may do something and think it helped them, but really it only
worked because of other reasons.
For example, guys will beat eachother up in front of girls, and their girls will become more attracted. Theyll think Aha! She likes
me because Im so tough for kicking that guys ass! Really though, theyre not realizing that it was actually that their girlfriend
likes insecure guys, and thats what turned her on. Like for the same reasons you can get blown out of sets with 7s or with any girl
who isnt self confident, by using too much C&F or overgaming, you can attract her by acting insecure. Like these guys dont even
realize that the girls they got by fighting were attracted them because they lowered their own value, and it made the girl feel
qualified.
The same goes for guys who use excessive gropy kino, or who keep plowing the girls with tacky innuendo or with tricks to escalate.
If you look, its the insecure girls who like this stuff, because the guys are subcommunicating that they couldnt get the top girls, so
these girls feel qualified to be with them. And thats great - except when youre trying to get with the top girls.
Like Ill see these guys rolling up on girls, acting all gropy and in their face, and running all these cheesy lines. And the girl is sort of
tense, but shes liking it because she feels qualified for the guy. So she sits there letting it go down, and you think to yourself How
is that working?
Its not that this is solid game. Its that the girls are just underqualified and are actually drawn to behaviour that lowers the guys
value.
Anyway, I guess what Im saying is that guys will come into the scene and read up on T/T, and go out there and hit the field. And
thats awesome. But really, what gets girls isnt visibly doing things to game her. That just disqualifies you. What gets girls is
when you just roll in, and have an awesome convo, get her totally into you, and structure it from there either to instant date or see
eachother when you have time. Waiting for the IOIs and escalating when the window opens.
The second that the girl detects that what youre doing is intended to hook up with her, you loose value instantly and she loses
attraction. That isnt the case with lesser girls. Many girls will find it a turn on because its a subcommunicative indicator that she is
qualified for you.
But for most guys, I think the thing that they could benefit from studying most is having a strong frame, and going in there looking
like youre not trying to alter her perception of you in any visible way, and that youre just a chill guy having a good time talking to
her. So long as you convey the right stuff during the convo, youll be fine.
Many girls enjoy sex as much if not more than guys. So if you come across right, and dont do anything to blow yourself out, you
stand a great chance.
btw, I dont think this contradicts any known methods in the scene, be it DYD, MM, GWM, or SS. Its applicable regardless or T/T.
Its just a general viewpoint to how you come across.
Its more about the vibe that you project.
Anyway, thats my 2c on some of the posts Ive seen. I thinkits awesome that guys are going out and thinking about this stuff. And
the same guys posting the cheesy stuff will still get results eventually, because theyre out in the field. So thats fine. Im just
hoping to help them to progress a little faster, and of course to vent a bit.. :)

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DIFFERENT METHODS TO LOOK AT

Tyler (realsocialdynamics.com):
Being in the scene for a while now, I sometimes find myself a bit bored reading the same stuff about controlling your state and
being confident and tactics to run game. Id love to have some more high level discussions, with guys who are really pulling the top
girls. Ill get the ball rolling with some rough material I threw together on mASF, and next week Ill post some strong material on
ADVANCED PickUpArtist sticking points, that top guys will find useful (where as the newer guys really need to focus on the basics).
Id really encourage the other top PUAs to post what they do to pull the top girls, to keep the scene fresh, and to motivate the top
guys to stay around and participate. Of course newer guys will be annoyed that its not useful for them. But so what? Advanced
PUAs are people too! : )
Cliffs Comment: I think one of the biggest problems the community has is that once guys get good at this, they often dont have
that much interest in the community and writing about what they are doing - they just go out and do it. Like, can you imagine
Hugh Hefner posting a FR? I cant say if the following analogy will apply (although TD is in a good position to confirm this), but I
remember when I was younger and I took martial arts. The guys who spent extra time hanging around the school were eventually
given the honour of instructing the new students. The thing that I noticed was that, here were these guys who were in my class and
they were improving by leaps and bounds and it was mostly because of the teaching they were doing. They skyrocketed past
myself and the others who were taking the same class time and pretty much practicing the same amount because they were able to
see others mistakes and learn by teaching. So there can be major fringe benefits to teaching, and I expect this will apply to the
PUA arts and sciences as well.
Tyler continues:
So, here are some rough notes I threw together for mASF. Feedback always appreciated.
There are different ways to run sets.
The classic MM way is to use intrigue based routines, like talking about relationships and the unknown, to captivate a set. By doing
so, you can use active ignorance on the sets. Notice that the Mystery archive contains not so much C&F-teases, but rather, they
contain SELF ESTEEM NEGS.
Lets look at the different types:
A C&F NEG is like Youre like my little sister or Youre like a little powerpuff girl or hands off the merchandise or shes a sexual
predator or telling her to support you or to get lost. OTOH, a SELF ESTEEM NEG is like Thats a nice dress. Thats really popular
these days or A model? What, a hand model? or You have something on your face/teeth/hair.. Here or Your nose wiggles when
you talk or blowing your nose in front of her (like you dont care enough to even hide it from her).
Notice though, and this is very important, that the first type of C&F neg is actually YOU giving her an indicator of your interest in
her. As guys, wed think the opposite, because calling a hottie a powerpuff girl is showing her that were willing to walk away from
her, and not seek her approval. Right?
Nope. These things are actually sexual subcommunication. Like David DeAngelo says, they are the secret sub language of attraction
that girls respond to.
If a girl walks up to you and says that your shirt sucks, this is an IOI. We know this. Why? Because if a girl isnt attracted to you,
she wont even acknowledge you, let alone tease you. Would a girl walk up to a 95 year old man in a wheelchair and tease him?
Notice that if a girl does this, you can just tease her back - open, run game, and seduce. Girls open ME with negs and C&F all the
time, and if I play along they gladly hook up with me (because they were obviously attracted, to have opened me - so I need only
not screw it up). The same goes for girls. They know that when you use this stuff, youre just using a classic European style game
on them. Or maybe they dont know its classic Euro-style.. : ) - but they know that its not that you really dont want them, and
that youre being playful.
The thing is, thats FINE. So long as you meet the preconditions of social value, theyll enjoy you gaming them well, and theyll
become attracted. The classic European style of natural game is similar to what I use (my version is just the European version on
steroids, combined with other tactics thrown in). Its flirting. Where youre saying get lost, but really subcommunicating Im
alpha, look at me sexually, Im interested). Well, this is sort of a sweeping generalization. You guys get the point, anyway.
So the distinction here is:
Classic European C&F natural style game:

you can approach the target, so long as you hold the sets attention so they dont LJGD (lets just go dance) you.
if you have the social value (you are dressed cool for the scene, and you seem like a cool enough guy for her to ALLOW you to
engage her in this sort of flirting, so shes willing to take the time to verbally spar/flirt with you), then you can run this sort of
game
rather than befriending, you blow out and out-alpha AMOG the people around you, to up your status
this is a great way to fools mate/ONS a chick, and it can also lead to more, but it generates attraction so quickly that you can
have difficulty with buyers remorse, and you also have a harder time shifting to rapport/comfort/connection Classic MM style
game:
you avoid the target, and hold the targets peer group with total intrigue
they give you social proof because what youre doing is intriguing, and this makes the target observe that you are socially
proofed (you can also merge sets and get social proof prior to opening the desired set)
you use self-esteem negs to lower the targets self-esteem, and crave your attention to re-validate herself
you can phase shift into rapport more easily, because the interaction wasnt out of control giggly party mode
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you dont get as many ONS/fools mate, although you still get it - the two are just more conducive to their respective outcomes,
but that DOES NOT mean that you wont get both GFs and ONS with BOTH methods, so lets please not see retarded posts
down the line from KJs who think that pickup is this black and white, because its not! : )

Now I know that Mystery and Style use a more classic MM style, where as I use a more European natural game style. In fact,
because we all hang out, we have started incorporating massive amounts of each others styles into our games, and made them
stronger. I personally find that the European style game is harder to execute on the hardest targets, because if theyre hard 10s
(models, strippers, and such), if you walk up and start going C&F, theyll just ignore you.
They dont give a fuck. Why? Because even if youre ten times cooler than the average guys, guess what?
There are STILL a lot of very good looking, rich, socially proofed guys, who ALSO have your C&F type stuff down (they do it
naturally), who will outgame you.
At the same time, how OFTEN do you see a hard HB10? RARE. So I dont focus on gaming them, although I CAN and know how.
Still, its nice to know how to do it.
Take when I was in Whistler BC, skiing at BlackComb with Papa and Twentysix and Alphamale. This was a month ago. I try to go
C&F on this smoking hot HB10 waitress. Im in my generic ski gear. She giggles a bit, but really I dont want to mentally masturbate
- it wasnt really going anywhere.
Then I sit down, and I think Shes just not a giggly girl maybe. haa, WRONG! I just couldnt accept that Mr. Coolguy PUA that I
am, wasnt coming across good enough for her. The proof? Ten minutes later, the lead singer of the most popular Canadian rap
group (Swollen Members, a cool group that will be mainstream in the U.S. probably next year) walks in. He ignores her. Haa! The
dude doesnt give a fuck. I personally know of at least 3 girls who have slept with this guy, that Ive met while Im out. This guy
gets so much ass that he could care less about yet another HB10 trying to get with him. He just wants his beer and to chill with his
friends after a long day of skiing. btw, I got a picture with him, and with Sum 41, and with The Black Eyed Peas recently. I use
these in my photo routine now. I looked like a lame fan for asking for pics, but who cares - I wanted to build my photo routine.
Anyway, this dude has the social value to play up the active disinterest, and get her chasing him. MAN, this girl was chasing him.
Point is, if I would have just gone in there, and taken over all her friends and ignored her, I probably could have done the same
(until the rap star rolled in I guess though!). But I went European style game, and I got her to giggle a bit and then lost her.
This is what Mystery means when he says A 10 must choose YOU. You cannot choose a 10. In truth, alot of 10s are soft 10s, and
you can game them straight up.
But others, you need to play up the active disinterest, and takeover her social group and ignore her and lower her self esteem.
KEY POINTS IN CONCLUSION:
Most guys on this site have piles of C&F material, but lack in intrigue based material. Having the ability to hold a set WITHOUT
relying on getting them all giggly with shocking C&F type stuff is something that most guys on here are lacking, and need to
cultivate. I have alot of routines where I talk about fascinating studies that were done, or interesting things that Ive seen that
relate to the girls. I have cool bar bets and sh*t like that, or reflexology pieces, or cool pictures - all of which hold their attention.
These things dont have the girls freaking out giggling, which doesnt make for as flashy of a pickup.
BUT, it can make for a more solid game.
Most importantly also, it gets the girl chasing you. One way to run a set is to entertain WITH your flirting. You can hold sets just by
busting the whole set. The other way, you hold them with intrigue, and engage only the target girl with sexual subcommunication.
Or in the classic MM way, you use active disinterest.
Shes thinking This guy is really cool, and hes a bit C&F also so hes alpha, but mostly hes really cool and hes not interested in me
and my self esteem is down because of the embarrassing things he noticed. As opposed to a straight up European style game,
where you just plow the sh*t out of her buying temperature with piles of C&F, and going for the jugular in terms of ONS, and if she
doesnt bite that same night, you have little or no connection with her and will probably wind up with a flake for the day 2.
At the same time, most of my game is a European based game, and I turn on the other stuff at different times. I use BOTH, and use
them based on the type of girl and the condition.
Ive seen Mystery try to play solid game on girls that I know he could have ONSed, and lost her because she wasnt down with
getting to know someone at this time.
At the same time, Ill often turn great girls that could have been my girlfriends into party chicks that go mental, and then I lose
them down the line either after a ONS or on the telephone.
We all have our own sticking points to overcome, and everyone playing the game (in real life, not the Internet) has real sticking
points and places that they could improve. Anyone who says that they dont have sticking points is probably not really in the field.
Guys might watch PUAs like Mystery or myself, and roll their eyes when we say that we have sticking points.
But we do. Because what we consider to be top game not just what looks good to others. Its what we know is possible OURSELVES.
Id encourage everyone to post about their sticking points (I saw Pheromone doing that recently, and I think people should follow
that example), and focusing on filling in the gaps in their game. For guys who lack intrigue based material, Id encourage you guys
to seek it out, test it, and PLEASE post about it so I can steal it for my own sets! : )
That said, Id like to talk about how straight European style game CAN be used to game on HB10s, as I use it myself. In elite scenes
and whatnot. What Im going to post here is fundamentally deep shit, but not many people here will probably understand it, so it
will probably go poorly understood. Pretty much nobody on this board is even into this game. I post this more because future guys
who read my archive may take interest in this topic, if they have access to these scenes (or go-getters like myself, who sought out
these scenes for the adventure of it). One thing, btw, is that its EASIER to sleep with SHBs if you know how, than it is to sleep with
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For the super HBs, you are playing a different game. There are value-prerequisites that you must fulfill prior to even gaming them.
Your game literally wont have an effect on them if you dont meet these pre-requisites.
That means a few things:

having an image, where your clothing and what you say you are will be congruent (and what you say you are had better be
fu*king good)
actually acting like youre better than them, in the sense that you dont even fully engage them.. go to the clubs where the rich
f*ckers hang out, and watch what theyre doing (the way they carry themselves, and the specific mannerisms that they have in
verbal exchanges)
have the kind of social proof where it doesnt look like you gamed up other girls.. rather, it looks like you KNOW them from the
club.

Now when it comes to super HB game, you arent even totally trying to pump their buying temperature, like you are with typical
hotties. Rather, youre trying to convey status, combined with active disinterest. You can still use your C&F and all of that, but you
use it differently. ***KEY POINT: Typically, its better to go Attract, Comfort/Rapport, Seduce. Why is that so important?
In short, the difference is that on a standard set you need to run attract game FIRST, because they wont even ACKNOWLEDGE you
if you havent attracted them.
Try walking up to a girl and trying for rapport with her, before shes attracted. Shell yawn and walk away. Great, yet another
dweeb trying for rapport with me, when EVERYONE wants rapport with me because Im gorgeous. OTOH, if you just game her up
and dont try for rapport, shell start going for it.
Now for elite social scenes (where the 10s are at) if you are IN already (as you are, just by virtue of being allowed access to the
high profile venue), then you are able to just lay back, get in and build some intrigue via commonalities in their scene, and THEN
shift into C&F / push-pull / attract routines, etc. For example, when you game up a set of standard hotties, you roll up and actively
game them up. Like youre doing the set, and youre running your game, but its apparent that you are RUNNING GAME. Thats
fine, so long as you run your game WELL. For SHBs, you roll in there with the mannerisms of a rich arrogant prick. oes that mean
lots of negs? Nope. Does that mean lots of C&F? Nope. What it means is that you do things like ignore what shes saying, and pay
attention to other things that distract you. So for example, you neg by literally ignoring what she says, and combining it with WELL
TIMED takeaways. Like you pay close attention, and then when shes really trying to get to know you, you turn around and walk
away a bit, so that she follows. his is a massively difficult skillset to acquire, that you can only learned through massive field
practice and know-how. You really have to set the bait, so that when you hit a high point and you stop focusing on her, she is in
DISBELIEF that you could be disinterested. Youre acting almost idiosyncratic, like Jim Morrison from The Doors or something like
that, making her chase. Shell either act AFC and try to follow you around and get your attention more (funny), or shell go back to
her friends and try to pretend like shes cooler than you, in which case you just take all of the friends attention so shes back to
square one, and then re-engage her later.
Also, theyll do sh*t like try to #close you, and you literally pretend that you didnt hear it. This part is really funny, because shell
try again later, and you say sh*t like yeah sure and then keep talking without actually getting your pen out, so that way she has
to ask again later. Many SHBs that I game will ask me for my # 5-10 times before I actually give it to them. One realization that
you will gain from this, is how lame YOU have looked in the past, when you tried to come up with all these natural ways of
repeatedly going for the #. Its so obvious when the girls do it, and it makes you realize how lame you looked in the past when you
did it. Youll actually see them asking for the #, and being a bit embarrassed when they dont get it, and then dropping it for a bit,
and bringing it up later the second they get an opening. F*cking funny to watch, because even though they had the opening, its still
OBVIOUS that they waited for it, which makes it even more obvious that they want you because theyve been waiting to pounce on
the opening for this long. btw, as a side note, remember that youll need a day2 plan that is congruent to your image if you dont
pull same night. Key in this game is that you can get away with walking up without opinion openers. Like you can just walk up and
say Hey, and literally sit there until they acknowledge you. Like you SIT THERE until they engage you, like its EXPECTED. Even if
you sit there 20-30 seconds, with a look on your face like WTF, say something, stupid little girl. Thats because this is the kind of
sh*t that rich f*ckers do. They dont give a sh*t, because they get girls constantly.
I remember being at a party in the Hollywood Hills with TheOne, and I started out my night by running opinion openers. Well, it
went alright, but really the thing with that was that the other rich guys around me werent running this kind of stuff. Rather, the
dudes were sitting around chatting AMONGST THEMSELVES (aka - NOT gaming sets), and when girls would pass they would make
glib comments and then the girls would introduce themselves and sh*t like that, because they know that these guys are much
higher value than them, DESPITE that they are SHBs. Its the same at hard to get into clubs. Like you dont need to game the girls.
Value is ASSUMED, because you have access to the venue. Rather, you game it like how you would at a party with mutual friends. If
you were at a party with mutual friends, you probably wouldnt walk up to some chick that your buddy brought, and bust out
opinion openers right away. Rather, youd get to know her with ASSUMED RAPPORT, and then escalate to regular gaming later on.
So with that in mind, you go:

introduce/rapport (using the attitudes mentioned above)

intrigue by finding commonalities so shes like oh, this guy could have potential, and more importantly, by having fascinating
things to say about HER SCENE, and then fascinating things in general to get her interest -attract via C&F, active ignorance,
negs, takeaways

close
See, you cant walk into these clubs and start gaming. Its ineffective. The mere ACT of doing C&F and push/pull immediately is
TRY-HARD, because the girls know what it is, and they know that the rich high status dudes wouldnt be acting like this typically.
***But once you have ESTABLISHED the value pre-requisites, THEN you can start gaming, and their buying temperature will start
getting pumped as would a normal type chick. Notice that your main challenge in this game isnt learning more routines or better
game. Rather, its learning how to act adopt the subtle subcommunication and mannerisms of people of high status. They act
different. Go find your friends who went to private school, and go to one of their parties. Youll see the sort of things Im talking
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Now this of course is a certain type of SHB. OTOH, if youre doing strippers and such, you have a different kind of game to run.
Again, with them, you dont run typical game. You run stripper game. The only guy Ive ever seen do this with consistent success
is Mystery. He has routines that show that hes stripper boyfriend material. The guy actually has hours and hours of routines on
this, and hell walk right into the strip club and pull girls right out of it. Again, my game is in his range, but because I dont
SPECIALIZE in that type of girl, I cant pull girls from strip clubs. If I put in the legwork for 2 months, Id be able to do it also. The
same goes for scenes in Miami South Beach, with clubs like SkyBar or Nikki Beach. When I went there, I had to adjust EVERYTHING
in my game. I kept all the same attract material, but I had to change my mannerisms, clothing, and image. Id love to go back
there.
So basically, what you can get from this, is that this is not just a game thing. Like all the programs out there will advertise that you
can get ANY girl with the right game. Well this is true, but really you need the value pre-requisites also. So you need to learn the
SUBTLETIES of these scenes. You need to learn the lingo. If you want models, you need to learn SPECIFIC knowledge that ONLY
people in their scene would know. And you need to convey this in your stories. If youre working the NYC scene, you need to know
where the hottest A-List clubs are that ONLY the most socially proofed guys can get into, and then you need to spin routines where
the girls FIGURE OUT FOR THEMSELVES that you have access to these places, without you directly qualifying yourself. Get it?
Basically the elements are:

act like youre at a party with mutual friends

act higher than her by ignoring things that she says, and using body language to show disinterest at various KEY times when
shed expect the opposite, so shell chase -find some cool commonalities, by talking about detailed knowledge of her scene by
spinning it with COOL stories so it comes across natural, not like youre trying to prove that youre in the scene -NOW escalate
your normal C&F game and game the f*ck out of her and pump her buying temperature

seduce, or comfort build and seduce

Its an awesome game. Have fun with it. Seek out these scenes, and go play.

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WHO ARE YOU?

OK, this is group theory here, mainly for clubs.. however, this stuff is still really important for lone girls, or daytime group sets.
OK, what is MM (Mystery Method / Group Theory)?
(btw, MM workshops are OVER.. no longer offered.. so this is not spam.. its just info that I hope will might be helpful for guys who
are interested in sarging clubs)
MM doesnt focus on entertaining groups, and it doesnt require you to turn all mystical and weird.
The purpose of group theory is to convey attractive qualities to the target, OBLIQUELY through her friends.
There are many advantages to this:
1)
2)
3)

social proof
since you are conveying all of these cool things about yourself to guys, or ugly girls, the target hot girl doesnt suspect that
youre trying to impress her.. you can convey massive value, without it coming off as try-hard or bragging
you get to lower the girls self-esteem with negs, but since her friends are all grouped right there, she HAS to stay long enough
for you to proceed to pick her up (unlike lone girls, who sometimes will just pickup and leave if you neg them)

So what is the purpose of ROUTINES??

Routines are field proven, tightened, guaranteed little peices of trash, that you KNOW will garner fast social proof. Many are not
designed to attract the chick. They are designed to get you social proof. Going up to a chick and telling her that you may dye your
hair blonde will NOT attract her. It WILL make you the centre of attention for around 1 minute though.
The essence of the PU is NOT in your ability to successfully execute a routine.
Routines are designed to hold attention long enough, that you can convey who YOU are.
So the question is:
WHO - ARE - YOU???
By the end of a set, your target should have a CLEAR idea of who you are. You are supposed to have CONVEYED that INDIRECTLY
to her, through her group.
So say that you run a bunch of routines like The Lying Game, the ESP game, and the Spells Opener. You do all this, and you have
social proof. Great! Is the chick attracted though? Likely not.
The thing that attracts her, is that a guy walked in, IGNORED her, TEASED her, and INTRIGUED her. Then, she proceeded to take
interest in figuring out WHO IS THIS GUY???, and you OBLIQUELY conveyed this to her through her group of friends.
Any routine that you read has to be executed in such a way that you INSERT PEICES OF YOURSELF into the routines.
Mystery: Superstar illusionist.
Papa: International Playboy.
Twentysix: Comedian, super fun guy.
TD: Badboy, jerk, playful.
Eddy: Caveman.

So for examples, what some MM guys convey?

Mystery, for example, will run his routines, but INSERT piles of shit into it like when I was last in Los Angeles, shooting x,y,z event,
I found that x-routine had x-relevance..
Papa will say yeah.. cause when I was travelling to this exciting place, and
that exciting place, I found that x-routine did x,y,z
Me, Ill run routines, and then make fun of the chick severely, and tell stories about how I like to use girls, and then twirl them
around and kiss them and run alot of Kooper style C&F frames..
Eddy, hell run a routine, and yell ARGHHHHHHH and grab them and possibly drag them somewhere.

So see, the goal isnt to just go out and run routines. The routines are designed as BAIT to keep the group focused on you, so that
you have a chance to OBLIQUELY convey an ATTRACTIVE personality to the chick.
They also allow you to INDEBT the group to you, since you were so fascinating/entertaining/exciting, that they cant refuse your
request to chat thir pretty friend in isolation (who you were incidentally accidently kinda rude to).

So ask yourself: WHO - AM - I???

When I leave a set, have I just run a bunch of routines? Or have I conveyed a MASSIVELY ATTRACTIVE personality to a chick, who
will now want to chase me?
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You are not your job. You are not your khakis! ;)
If youre interested in doing clubs, figure out a self-image that is attractive to girls, but also CONGRUENT to your TRUE personality.
Then focus on creating a 20 minute game plan to convey that to a group, that will have the target girl wanting to meet you by the
end of it.
Is your image:

exciting?

dangerous?

social proofed?

romantic/poetic?

fascinating?
-(Im sure theres others Ive missed)
If not, then TAYLER an image that is, and learn a way to convey it that is COOL..
Ask yourself: IF I WERE TO APPROACH MYSELF, WHEN I WAS HANGING WITH MY
FRIENDS, WOULD I APPRECIATE THE PERSON THAT I AM TAKING OVER MY GROUP, OR WOULD
I THINK THAT IM LAME?
Dont just focus on memorizing material. Think about what the material is DOING for you.
Are you a COOL guy when youre in the club? Can you CONVEY that consistently?
Is canned material HELPING you to do this, or is it making you sound REHEARSED?
For me, alot of the stuff that I made up on my own, it gets TIGHTER and SHARPER every time that I use it.. But alot of stuff that I
field test, it gets WORSE and WORSE every time that I use it, because I dont really like it, and get more bored of using it every
time that I try it.
Other stuff that Ive read from other people, I LOVE to use.
Zan: youre my new GF
Kooper: C&F frames
Swingcat: qualifying
Badboy: are you rich?
CPowles: hands off the merchandise, and millions of little liens he has
So basically, I run this shit, but also I SATURATE the set with my own PERSONAL details.. carefully SELECTED details, that will
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SICKBOY INTERVIEW
SB: I just got into the game in June. I came to a meeting just like this where Tyler Durden and Papa were talking. I had pretty much
zero real field experience before. I was just reading posts on ASF. Tyler Durden and Papa invited me two weeks later down to Miami
to a workshop down there. We set it up to hang out the rest of the summerMontreal, London, Amsterdam, Spain. 10 days, straight
sarging8PM to 6AM. When you spend all this time in the field, you start to notice things. Your intuition tells you what's going to
happen before it happens. Basically, what I came here to talk about is all that field experience and all those days sarging this
summer. Unless you're really in the field, all the time, noticing what's going on, looking for certain things, you're just not going to
get better. That's why I want to encourage you guys to get out in the field. Fuck up a bunch of sets. You'll just learn so much from
that.
Table of Contents

Inner Game
Indirect/Direct
Shit Testing
Lock-Up
Buying Temperatures
More on Lock-ups
Body Language
Field Report
Openers
Blowing AFCs/Cockblocks Out of the Set

Sickboy Interview - Inner Game

You guys are into Speed Seduction, Ross Jeffries, Major Markmost of what they focus on is inner game, confidence. That might
work for some of you. I never really got into it. I always went along with what Mystery says. If you want to get over approach
anxiety, if you want to get confidence, just do it. Go out by yourself. Go out to a club all the way uptown or downtown. People aren't
going to see you again. Just crash and burn a few sets. It happens all the time. I still get blown out hard. I go to the clubs, like the
Bowery Bar. You get these JAPpy girls. These girls will cut you down hard. You want to just put yourself out there, get shot down.
You know what these girls look like. They look like a million dollars. Just approach them. Get blown out. It's funny. Go with a
wingman. Play a game. See who can get blown out the most. See who can do the most sets. By the end of it you guys will have the
funniest stories. You're laughing now. That's what it's going to be like. It happened to me when I first started all the time. I'd
approach these sets and get cut down hard. It's bad for about two seconds afterward, but you laugh about itand with your
wingman. It's funny and no one says anything. It's not a big deal. I think it's a real confidence builder. Just going out there, getting
shot down, realizing what it's like. It's not that bad. More often than not, you go with that mindset (have fun) and sets will open up.
Holy shit. Just by getting that initial contact within minutes you will feel so great about yourself. You went out. You did it. You got
your foot in the door. Half of this stuff is just getting your foot in the door, especially with these high status NY women. Once you
get your foot in the door, it's not that hard. What I realize from traveling all over, talking to all these different types of women
English, Dutch, Spanish Italian, Canadianwhat's different about the NY scene is that to get your foot in the door is harder than
anywhere else. You go around NYC and how many times a day does someone try to sell you something on the street, stop you for
change. So women are walking around NY with their shields up. Even when you go into a clubNY is a hyper glamorous city. You
got all these modeling agencies, all these wannabe actresses, all these beautiful people. Everyone constantly wants something. HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIFFERENT? That's how you have to be to get your foot in the door. Once you get that shield down, it's a lot
easier than any other city in the world. To give you a good example, when we were in Amsterdam, girls were really nice. It's a
smaller city. It doesn't have a lot of that status that NY has. When you approach, women are very receptive to it. They just see
someone's talking. They don't have shields up. The problem with that is, once you get later and later, where does it go from talking
and having a friendly conversation, into the seduction phase. You can get lost in that. In NY, I don't find that as much. In the first
two minutes you're in, you're in and proceeding from there is a lot easier than other places.
Sickboy Interview - Indirect/Direct

SB: Theres been a lot of debate on indirect game versus direct game, whats better. The truth is they both work. Guys have been
getting laid forever using all types of methods, lines, and techniques. Direct is more of an approach where you state your
attentions. Youre basically hitting on the girl. She knows from your approach whats going on, what youre there for. Indirect is
when your approach is ambiguous. Are you hitting on her or not? She doesnt know. Youre kind of conveying this aloofness at the
same time youre conveying active disinterest. Indirect approaching is making her work toward getting you to (take interest).
Indirect is not showing interest until later on when shes earned it. We (me, Papa, Tyler, Mystery) favor indirect approach because
thats going to get you the most consistent results. Im not saying direct approach doesnt work, but its not going to work the
highest percentage of time with the hottest chicks. Were interested in only 9s and 10s. Ive successfully sarged NYC models and
pulled the hottest chicks from clubs. The reason most guys get blown out is because theyre conveying that they want something.
The second the girl picks up that you want something youre blown out, unless shes into it.As soon as you get an IOI or SOI
(indicator of interest, statement of intent) whether youre using body language, speech, anything like that, the second she realizes
you want something shes going to decide right then and there, should I go with this or not? Most of the time if its too early on
and you didnt convey enough personality shes going to say no. Im at the point where Id say in almost 95% of sets I will not get
blown out. As long as I stay in the set talking, girls will stay there. You just dont get blown out, you cant, because youre not
conveying so much interest and you dont want something. Youre not presenting the opportunity for them to blow you out. More
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to go based on that. Its going to have to be more than just looks; shes going to have to convey personality. Thats what Im
screening for. So, with the indirect approach its more or less you screening the girl. With the direct approach, shes screening you
because she knows whats going on with the game. So youre going to have to keep proving yourself to stay in that set so she wont
blow you out so she chooses you. With indirect, youre choosing the girl, youre making her earn it, youre qualifying her, shes
qualifying herself to you. Youre using punishment/reward. By the end of the time, shes going to do a lot of things that are going to
make her earn it. Shes going to work hard. She knows that. She knows shes working for it and shes going to appreciate it even
more. Youll get better results that way.
PUA: Doesnt that also work with your whole theory that you have to be different in NY, and if youre indirect that youre different?
SB: Its being VERY different. Look at these guys who get blown out. Look what theyre doing. Theyre leaning in, touching,
complimentingbe different, be a different guy. Ill show you guys some openers, how we open. Its different. The girls havent had
it before. Its almost like youre insulting (?) them too, because youre coming up to them and just talking, using body language
thats conveying non-interest. Right from the opener youre getting them trying to earn it, have them qualify themselves to you.
Yes, its completely different.
Its basically taking all the power away from them. The ball is in your court. I know a lot of you guys have heard be a man, dont
apologize for your desires, let them know what you want, claim whats yours, tell chicks to get with the program, stuff like that.
Thats okay, too. Its a lot of that tough guy rhetoric. But even with the indirect approach, a lot of guys criticize it. Youre not
making your intentions known, how are girls going to know youre sexual? Trust me. With indirect, all the power is yours. You can
be sexual when you want. Theres a place for that. You will make your desires known, but at the right time.
Sickboy Interview - Shit Testing

You guys know about that stuff, right? Why you talking to me? Nice shirt, real gay. Where are your friends? Why you talking to
us? Its good because it gives you a chance to display your personality and really take control of the situation, let the girl know
youre for real. Ill shit test them, too. Yourre always going to get shit tests. Shit tests come in all forms. Have you guys ever had a
girl end up hitting you? We had a girl on the beach throwing sand in TDs face. In later game shes cuddling with him, flipping out,
she didnt know what to do. She knows shes got all these emotions and she cant stop it. Girls will shit test to throw themselves out
of state. So if youre at a club, and you talk to these girls and theyll be mildly attracted at first, theyll shit test you to see if youre
going to flake off, to see if youre a man, to see if you can handle it. I got, Wheres your friend? the other day, and my friend is
right behind me. The girl saw me get up from my table of friends and walk over. Its just retarded shit. What did I say to that?
Okay, it was a 3-set at a table. One of the girls was shit testing; one was really in to me from the beginning. I used social proof. I
used the one that liked me against the one that was shit testing me. I turned the whole table against her. Why did you ask me
that? What kind of question is that? I turned to the one that liked me and said, Whats with your friend? Is she always like this?
How can you guys hang out with her?
PUA: How could you tell the girl would be on your side?
SB: You can tell. IOIs, intuition. You know when girls are into you and when theyre not.
PUA: Theres a very good book with pictures of IOIs, proximity, groupsIts called Secrets of Sexual Body Language.
SB: Thats strange. From what Ive noticed, being in the field a lot, youll learn to recognize IOIs like this, like this, like this (snap).
Theres different levels of IOIs. Its called buying temperature. Ill go through that a little later.
A lot of the things I do with the indirect approach are shit testing girls. Theyll start doing some really weird stuff. This is probably
the most powerful tool I have: shit testing girls, using it against them. They dont know how to respond. I had this one girl. I was
shit testing her. She was crazy attracted to me. She had a full beer. Dumps it on my shirt. This is how fucked up girls get when they
start getting attracted. They do some really weird shit. They throw themselves out of state.
PUA: How do you recover?
SB: That was a shit test. You gotta say something like, Hey, when I said drinks are on me, I didnt mean
PUA: Whatd you do after that?
SB: I dragged her into the bathroom, threw her up against the wall and started making out.
PUA: Caveman
SB: You can caveman laterLater game is great for caveman, because by that time they dont know what to do. You just have to
take control of the situation. Thats where you start being direct, where right off the bat youll see guys in the street caveman chicks
and grab them. It just doesnt work there. Later gameafter you convey personality, qualify them, build attraction, comfort, trust. If
you dont have any trust or comfort and you start cavemanit will work sometimes on party chicks. But on the chicks were
interested in, probably not.
SB: They do shit to throw themselves out of state. How many of you guys have been in bed with chicks and youre about to close
the deal and they start acting all fucked up. They start asking you really weird questions. Whats your real name? Whered you go
to school? Whyd you choose me? This is all stuff weve taken care of in later game by now.
Right off the bat, shit testing is funny. Let me put this stuff in context. All the things Im talking about here, this is for anything over
an 8.5. If you want to pick up 7s, 6s, I can talk about that, too. Theres a whole different strategy for that. You wouldnt shit test a 6

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or 7, unless they had really high self-esteem, because theyre going to be all like I cant believe you just said that to me
(depressed).
PUA: If youre at a bar thats a sausage farm, like it usually is, and theres a few girls, all 6s or 7s, but because they have 8 guys
hanging over their shoulder, their self-esteem skyrockets.
SB: Thats why I dont like to go by the looks model so much. You can find a girl whos a 9 and have her self-esteem down low. If
you shit test her or neg her, shes walking away (head down), I cant believe that guy said that to me. I was in South Beach,
Miami. From across the bar, I saw this incredibly hot 9, smokin body, blonde hair. I approached, and I came off a little too hard. I
found out she was only 16 years old, and it was one of her first times in a bar. She didnt know how to handle that, didnt want to
talk to me. She looked really hot, older. So think of it in terms of self-esteem. Try to gauge a girls self-esteem. A lot of it is mood
based. If the girls feeling really up, and you can see it too, just from how shes interacting with her friends, shes the center of
attention, youre going to know: high self-esteem. Youre going to know what tactics to pull out. Then you see the two girls in the
club sitting in the corner, all-quiet, like theyre intimidated by the place. Even though they could be good looking, youre not going to
approach the same way you normally would, or use the same tactics, when youre shit testing.
PUA: So you use more her emotional state in the moment than her self-esteem?
SB: Self-esteem. You can usually gauge it by talking to girls about how receptive they are to being approached. You say Hey. A
girl with low self-esteem will turn around, open body language right away, all attentive. If a girl does that to you, dont shit test her,
dont neg her. She really wants to talk to you to show her body language like that. But if the girl is like (shows attitude, etc.), come
out with the big guns. Shit test her, neg her, all that stuff. Knock her off that pedestal. And first, you got to get her to earn your
respect, too.
Shit testing. How do I do it? Ill give you an example of one of the openers we use. Hey guys. I need a female opinion. Do girls
think that the rock star David Bowie is hot? My little sister just got a poster of David Bowie to hang up on the wall. Shes only 16. Do
you guys think hes hot? Do you like old men? Do you think old guys are hot?! Then you turn your back. The girls are like, What?!
Stuff like that. Right from the beginning, start accusing them of stuff. Anything. On your approach, if they do the slightest thing
Lets say they twirl their hair. Go, Are you trying to pick me up? Youre twirling your hair. I know that. I know what that means.
Youre not hiding anything. Accuse them. Youre licking your lips. I know what that is. Youre attracted to me.
Tyler Durden has this routine. Its a super, super good routine. We usually use this right off the opener. It is solid. Youll see the
responses you get when you do this to a 9 or 10. Its basically a big shit test. Youll do the opener, then theyll say something. Then
you say,
You know what. I cant trust you guys. Girls are predators. Girls are sexual predators. I come out to clubs, and I see all these guys
trying to seduce all these women. But thats not the case. Thats not the way it works. Guys are so dumb. They think theyre
seducing the women. At the end of the day its women that choose. Its the girl that chooses. Guys dangle themselves in front of the
women thinking they made it happen. But all along, at the end of the day, girls chooseYou know, when guys get mad at their
girlfriend, they cant just go out to a club and sleep with a random girl. It just doesnt happen. How many guys can do that? How
many guys do you think can honestly do that? Less than 3 percent. Look at these guys. Look at them. They go after all these girls.
Theyre complimenting, theyre leaning in, theyre touching them. That doesnt get anyone anywhere. Thats not going to work.
Some girls like it, but seriously, how many guys do you think can really do that? Its the girls that choose. Girls go out to the clubs.
They put on their push-up bra, high-heel shoes, and just walk around looking hot, choosing guys. Thats the way it is. You know
what? You know why this is? Its because girls are the only gender that has an organ designed solely for sexual pleasure. Thats why
girls, when they have sex, theyre like, oooooh, oooooh (loud, others in the club hear you). When guys have sex, its like uhhhhh
(relief).
Its funny. Theres more on this on a post on ASF from two weeks ago.
PUA: I think on a higher level, one of the good things about it is youre reversing the frame
SB: Girls ask me if Im stealing their mannerisms, which I love to do
PUA: making them comfortable with things like, literally chasing you. Accusing them of showing a lot of interest in you.
SB: What it also does is it lets them know that you know that shit. When you say in the beginning, Look at all these guys, theyre
leaning, touching and complimenting, girls know about that stuff. The next girl you see, go up to her and ask her, I was having a
conversation with my friend. Let me see if he was right. He was telling me that girls dont like it when guys get close, lean in and
talk to them in their ear. I dont care who it is. The girl will say, Thats so gross. I hate that, hate that. Some girls dont mind. Like
if youre friends with her its okay. But if youre just a random guy, coming over and leaning in like this (leaning in), really weird
Even some of my guy friends do it to me now and Im like, What are you doing? I can hear you.
PUA: They shit test right away?
SB: Yes, shell start shit testing right away. This is for the hotter chicks.
PUA: So youre letting them feel theyre in control, letting them think its the chicks choice? Of course, not really.
SB: Every girl Ive successfully seduced in the past month or so, has felt that she chose me. I make them feel that way. Maybe later
on Ill go through a lay report from last night from start to finish.
Steel their mannerisms. Youre taking all their shit-testing mechanisms, turning it around, and using it on them. So youre taking all
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Heres the thing I like to do. Girl Code. This is the one of the biggestworks in every set. It is probably one of the best techniques
we have. Any time you see girls and youre talking to them and you ask them a question or anything, when they hit an emotion, a
high emotion, theyll look at each other. All the time. Call them out on it.
PUA: Theyre saying (with their eyes), are we picking up the same things, are we seeing this guy the same way?
SB: Exactly. We wanted to get to the bottom of this, see exactly what was triggering this. Basically theyre looking for approval from
each other, because theyre feeling the same emotions. When girls feel these emotions, they know what these are. They feel these
crazy emotions and thats actually getting them hornier when theyre feeling these different emotions. They just want approval from
their friends when theyre feeling the same things. If just one of them starts feeling it shes going to get embarrassed. So, they want
to know that all the girls are feeling that same emotion. Thats why youll get a lot of cock blocks, because theyre not feeling the
same emotions. So girls are always checking in with each other. Now that we know this, call them out on it. I know that look. I
know what that was. That was girl code. I know that. When youre with a wingman, you say, We know that chick. Why dont you
just ask me a question about her. And we just (SB does the girl code sideways eye shift to his wing, that the wing would mirror.)
They die laughing. Its the funniest thing ever. Style has another version of it. He calls it a best friends test. Girls do the girl code,
then he goes Are you guys best friends. I could tell. Ill prove it to you guys. What isyour favorite shampoo? (The girls look at
each other.) See. You didnt even answer the question and I could tell because you looked at each other. Then right after you say
that, theyll look at each other again. Then you say. See, like that. And they lose it. They lose it. Its probably the most effective
technique we have.
PUA: Whats the difference in girl code between this guys cool and lets get outta here?
SB: Girls have girl code for everything. They can basically, have a conversation, let each other know whats going on, without
verbally acknowledging it. One of them is like the lets get out of here look. They sort of roll their eyes. Or theyll just look at each
other. All you guys have seen it. So right after they do this one (sideways look?), you go, I know another girl code, too. Its the
lets get out of here look. But you guys didnt do that one yet. You just bust them on that. It lets them know you know the deal.
Theyll actually appreciate this shit, because most guys dont understand this. It builds a certain level of comfort as well. What girls
do too is when the set is going really well and theyre feeling all these emotions, theyll hold hands. They wont even realize theyre
doing it. Like this, standing right next to each other holding hands. And youll see them pump, as soon as one of them feels a strong
emotion. Thats how they signal to each other that its going well. Its really weird. Sometimes you might be working with a
wingman and you steal (?) the set, lets say the girls have their back turned like this, theyll still have their hands down here
pumping like this, letting each other know that its going really well. The second one of them breaks it like that (pulling away
sharply), the other one will go and both you guys will be blown out of the set.
PUA: (Question about shit testing, girl code indiscernible)
SB: Youre picking up on that. All the sub-communication stuff. And youre responding in a playful way, not like youre picking her
up. I know that. I have a little sister. She told me about that. If you do it playful enough, its fun.
PUA: Do you turn away after youve said it?
SB: I should give you guys a demonstration of my body language, because my body language is really unique. In the first five
minutes, it looks like Im going to walk away. The whole time Im there. It puts people on edge. Its a combination of stuff Ive seen
Mystery do, and Tyler Durden. If youve ever seen Mystery open a set, it looks like hes going to walk away. You just fear that hes
going to walk away and not finish his story.
PUA: Can you give a good examplewhat kind of story or opener would you use where youd do this?
SB: Anything. Let me finish up stealing mannerisms first.Okay, you can In later gameone of my favorite lines I used to get laid
with onceThings started getting really hot and heavy with this girl in a club. I knew it was on. I could have just banged her right
there. I realized I had to deal with the whole going home thing, and start up again once we got home. So I was going to challenge
her on it. You know, you really turn me on, but I promised myself I wouldnt sleep with you tonight. It sounds so retarded, right?
Girls know this. This is what girls tell themselves. No guy would seriously say that. I just cant. Once I said that, the chick basically
challenged me on it.
Steal a girls body language, when you see girls talk to each other. Notice sub-communication, non-verbal communication. Notice
what they say, the structure of what they say. Half of your game in a club is not going to be the attract stuff. The attract stuff goes
pretty quick. Its easy. 90% of my game in clubs is convincing girls to trust me and feel comfortable around me. Notice the way girls
are with each other, because theyll feel more comfortable when youre like that. Thats why sometimes in sets girls will ask me if
Im gay. Its not because I have all these gay mannerisms. Its because I dont have all these typical male mannerisms. Im building
attraction, but at the same time Im not conveying interest, through body language, etc. So if you dont convey interest, but at the
same time youre building attraction, theyre really processing it as this guys gay. Hes making me attracted to him, but hes not
interested. Whats going on?
A lot of times when youre talking to two girls, one girls trying to shit test you, one girls trying to blow you out. Notice these things
any time it happens in the field. Thats why getting blown out so many times in sets is a good thing. Use what the girls did against
you. Use it against them. Back turns. Anytime you say something wrong, something they dont like, girls will always turn their back.
PUA: If they do that, is there a formula for responding? Do you qualify them?
SB: I qualify. I really want to talk about the field report from last night. Its a great example of where all this stuff falls into place. I
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Another good thing, to get your wingman into sets... Im sure when you guys have worked with wings before, one half of it can go
really well, and then you tell the friend, and its very hard to get in there, because the girls know whats going on there. Two guys,
two girls, they know. So one of them is going to be a little blocked up. What do girls do when it goes like that? One of them will be,
Im really into it, but I cant leave my friends. I cant leave them. Im going to have to go. Use that against them. Pull it out
before they do. It doesnt even matter if your wingman is not into it. Use it anyway. Lets say Im working with Marco, and Marcos
chick is being a bitch, but its going really well with my chick, Ill pull my chick aside and say, Listen. My friends really cool, but
your friends just not into it. Were not going to be those guys that split you guys up. Even though its going pretty well between us
and Id love to talk with you more, Im going to have to go. What shell do is shell pull her friend aside and tell her Hes really
cool. Hes a really cool guy. Just talk to him, talk to him. Ive seen this happen. Ive done this with TD. Sometimes Im just working
sets where its not going like that, and well do this to get each other into the set. It works, believe me. If its going really good with
your chick, theres no way shes not going to try to keep you there.
PUA: What usually happens after that?
SB: Shell try to get your wingman. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it doesnt work. But for the most part, it works.
Another thingnotice the way girls talk to each other. Girls keep jumping topics from one thing to the next. They go through a
whole progression of things. Guys are goal-oriented. Look at us now. Were talking so that by the end of the day, you guys will be
better at pickup and have a better understanding. Girls are into book clubs, right? Theres no goal in a book club. Its talking about
the book, talking about emotions, what they read about, stuff like that. Girls are into talking about relationships, emotions. Guys,
whats important to them? Goals. When you talk to girls, if you keep jumping topics from one thing to the next, they wont pick up
on it. Its normal for them. Thats one thing I picked up from talking to girls. You dont have to tell a story with a beginning, middle,
and end, with a logical progression. Talk about more emotions, how you felt through that whole story, instead of what you did, what
you accomplished.
Sickboy Interview - Lock-Up

How many of you guys have read about lock-up? What a lock-up is basically is what happens when the girl senses you want
something from her. Thats why guys get blown out of sets. Thats why guys arent getting good responses in sets. The girls are
sensing that theres some ulterior motive. Theres a few ways to deal with this problem. Youll notice with some girls, on the
approach, their body language will get real stiff. Their shoulders and legs will tense up. This is extreme lock-up, where theyll fix
their eyes on one thing. Sometimes, if youre doing a 3-set, one of the girls will be locked up, while the other two are responsive.
Lock-up is also closed body language. Its not open; its sort of away
PUA: Are you able to get them out of it?
SB: Oh yeah. You have to, in any set. Even if you guys are approaching indirectly, that first instance the girls going to be in a mild
lock-up. Im sure a lot of you guys have experienced it. Everyone gets this. The first thing to do is to barrel through. Do your
routines. Dont ask questions. I dont know how you guys approach, but stop asking questions. Girls just get more and more locked
up to the point where they just shut down. You could be like, Ill give you a hundred bucks to high five me. A hundred bucks. And
they wont. We actually tried that once. We had a girl so locked up in Giza (sp?), and we hadnt field tested this, so we did it.
Sickboy Interview - Buying Temperatures

start with zero lock-up, approach, and preferred buying temperature is she kind of opens up her body language. She allows herself
to giggle at your jokes, answer your questions. Its the first buying temperature. You can keep escalating to where you had it up
before, where shes willing to touch you, so you do kino tests. Watch this cool handshake I learned. Shes willing to touch you.
Shes at that buying temperature. Usually like a high five is a good kino test. When she says something really cool, say Thats
fucking awesome, high five. Sometimes youll see, when its not really there shell be kind of hesitant. I get this a lot, if I do it too
early. Then I know Im not progressing. So this is just to let you know where youre at and sarge at the same time.
PUA: How do you increase buying temperature?
SB: Through different stages of the sarge, you keep escalating and escalating. Attract routines will increase buying temperature
buying temperature moving into rapportOnce you guys drop the attract stuff, start moving into rapport, the girls are going to start
asking you about yourself. So buying temperature keeps getting higher and higher. Youll notice this the more you go out, how it
increases and increases. Different things along the way will give you cues. One of the biggest cues is when they start asking you
questions about yourself. That means drop all the cock/funny stuff, drop all the routines. You just start building comfort with them,
letting them know about yourself. Thats a huge waypoint in the sarge.
PUA: Do you use fluff (talk)?
SB: Directed fluff. Ill go through that later -- comfort building and trust building -- because thats probably the most important part
of the game. Thats where most sarges are lost, once you get past the initial attract stuff. Its the important part too, because thats
whats going to decide on Day 2 if the girl is going to sleep with you or not, how much comfort and trust she has.
The next buying temperatureis she at buying temperature enough to venue change? Is she willing to go have coffee, is she willing
to do a venue change within the bar. If youre at a table, is she willing to go to the bar and have a drink? Is she willing to go sit on
couches and talk to you alone? Just keep increasing, increasing, increasing.
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Sickboy Interview - More on Lock-ups

A good routine is the lock-up routine. Youll see that the girl is locked up. Its the same stuff. Calling them on their mannerisms and
showing them you know what lock-up is will make them feel super comfortablePacing is a huge rapport technique, one of the best,
that you can use in this situation, because it also builds comfort letting them know that you know whats going on, youre aware,
and you respect that. A lot of times, with all this buying temperature stuff too, when you pace them youre realizing that its not a
jump to finish. There are certain waypoints. I dont talk about buying temperature with girls at all. I talk a lot about games that the
girls want to deal with, and they like it, but not buying temperature. Once they start playing games and shit, I say, I know that. I
told a girl last night, I know this game. I know what youre trying to do and Im better at this than you. The last girl that tried to do
cried. You dont want to play this game with me. Shes like What game, what game? I turned my back and she ran away. Then
she came back later.
Lock-up how to get through. So youd say something like, Look. Youre all locked up. Look. You got your arms folded. I bet you
couldnt even high five me for a hundred dollars. You cant even do it; youre so locked up. Whats with you? You use her friends
often, because they arent locked up. You can even say something like, Listen, youre friend is all locked up. Shes obviously
concerned about something. I dont want to be that guy that just stays here and talks to you and breaks you guys apart (?). I dont
want to be that guy. Then you walk away. Then her friends are like, No. No, no. Shes okay. Shes not locked-up. Theyll be
taking her hands down. Just pointing out that you know what lock-up isYou can say something like, One of my best friends is a
girl and she told me about this. When she senses a guy wants something from her or guys are up to something with an ulterior
motive, shed get all locked up. I dont want to do that, I dont want to be that guy. Just start turning away slowly, and youll see
them start to get unlocked. Other stuffjust barrel through it. Keep going through routines, getting them to open up a little bit at a
time.
PUA: I think that the best thing about it is you get them into a frame where if they do that again, then theyre responding to your
frame. So then theyll say, Im not going to do what you say.
PUA: They dont want to be unattractive, and they realize youre pointing that out to them that theyre really being unattractive.
PUA: They hate the idea that theyre playing your game. When you do that, Oh, youre doing that whole lock-up thing. It relates to
this other routineYoure hanging out with these two girls, and theyll do the girl code and start doing a drag-away. You go, I know
what youre doing. Youre like the drag-away girl. Youre the one who goes like this (and you mimic it). Lets get out of here. You
grab them and you start moving away. Then they start laughing. Sometimes theyre like, I dont appreciate that. Dont call me that.
But you know what, they stop doing it. They dont lock-up. They dont want to be in your frame.
SB: You realize how strong this is when you point this out to the girls, and they realize a guy understands this. How do you know
this stuff? Its powerful.
PUA: Can you talk about how you barrel through? I can imagine doing the David Bowie opener, then some other thingIs it rapid
fire?
SB: A lot of guys will confuse lock-up with a girl caught with a deer in the headlights look. Sometimes our games are so strong,
that girls wont be able to respond to it. You come through with this opener and this interesting conversation shit and it shuts their
game down. So if you sense lock-up, just bust some cocky/funny shit, do some mini-cold reads, funny cold reading.
PUA: Cold reading is like you arebad, a Powerpuff girl, etc.
SB: Its telling them things about themselves that you have no way of knowing.
The way Mystery handles lock-ups, he just barrels through it. He does the black nails thing and just keeps going on normally.
Eventually the girl will start to unlock. Hes so good with the body language.
PUA: Do routine, routine, routine, ask them for their opinion?
SB: No real questions. Because questions will cause lock-up even more. Why should they talk to you? Theyll say, Why are you
asking me this? Thats why before we go in with indirect approach were not asking questions right off the bat. When youre trying
to get them to talk youre qualifying yourself.
PUA: How do you and Tyler, or Papa, deal with the rejection where they pretend to get a phone call on their cell. Or they say I have
to make a call. Are you always dead at that point?
SB: A lot of guys want to know what to do when that happens. Im more into what can I do to prepare so that doesnt happen.
PUA: How to get it so theres no opportunity.
SB: Yeah.
PUA: Youre saying dont use questions use statements?
SB: I dont even ask questions. Theres a time when you can open up with a false opinion opener, where you pretend like youre
interested. Her answer is irrelevant. Its just a means for you to get in, do your routine, tell your story.
Lock-upMake sure you guys understand it, realize it and can call it out when it happens. This will get your foot in the door in most
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Sickboy Interview - Body Language

SB: There are different approaches for different settings. So dont think one approach will work for all settings. In an extremely loud
club, youre going to do a totally different approach than if you were in a quiet coffee shop. On the street, its a totally different
approach. So right now, well do a club approach. You want to talk right here, from your diaphragm, really loud, cut through the
music. You dont want to start leaning in like most guys.
[See other notes (Vini, etc.) for more details on body language. Mike highlighted three basic moves that I recall. (1) He does the
opener, turned at an angle, a position of disinterest, almost like hes going to walk away. With neutral rapport, he (2) turns to face
the girl, with open body language (legs apart). From here, he can also tease her, give her light, playful shoves to the shoulder
(Girls love this.) and still pivot in and out of the space, so hes still not really fully committed to giving his full attention. As he
gains rapport, and the comfort level is building, he can (3) step in facing to communicate closer with her.]
SB: There are three levels of communication. The first is breaking rapport. Why are you talking to me? The second level is
neutral. Hey guys, I need a female opinion. The third level is trying to gain rapport. Hey, whats your name? See the distinction?
If you do a walk-up opener, you want to be neutral, facing away, just talking like this. Youre not leaning in, because that would be
gaining rapport, qualifying yourself. Neutral opinion openers are who lies more, jealous girlfriend, etc. You use neutral language,
and neutral body language. Throughout the opener, I like to shift through all three of those so the girls dont even know where
youre at. Shes thinking, Is he trying to talk to me? Is he staying here? Is he going to walk away?
PUA: What about moving sets?
SB: Its really hard to do when youre walking next to the person. The best way we found to stop moving sets is to be stationery
yourself as they walk past, (turn your head, but not your body, so they come back TD) and go Hey. I need a female opinion
Its better to get them to stop. When youre walking with them its like youre trying to chase them down, and theyll feel a little
intimidated, especially in NYC.
PUA: They have to stop anyway. Then you do a time constraint. (I only have a minute)
SB: You have to come in super neutral. If you come in direct the chances are really small for them actually stopping. Some guys get
it to work, but its hard, less consistent.
PUA: Verbally and non-verballyI like the concept hereWhen you go like that (push her away playfully), the natural reaction is
Stop pushing me. What it looks like is youre pushing them away, and theyre coming back to you. Non-verbally it looks like youre
showing interest, but verbally you say something and youre about to walk away. They respond to that. Youre qualifying them
PUA: Cause they said something really cool, so youre like Oh wow, thats really cool. Its rewarding them for good responses.
SB: (During attract phase body language is)Its super, super playful. You treat them like a bratty little sister (push them away
playfully). As long as youre not intrusive (leaning in, stepping in too close). Its not intrusive, its playful, and girls love this stuff.
I was out Friday night at a bar. I was talking to this chick, super hot. I shit tested her hard and started pushing her away. A girl like
this had never had this happen. Get away? Are you kidding me? To a fucking 9? It doesnt happen. So they dont have a response.
Shes like, No. You cant do that. You cant do that to me. I got the best compliment from any girl anywhere. She says, Youre like
me. Thats exactly what were trying to do. Were trying to take the mannerisms from 9s and 10s, steal them, incorporate them
into ourselves, and use them against them.
PUA: What kind of shit testing did you use?
SB: Youre trying to pick me uptrying to seduce medrag me away from my friends She had a necklace that said Sagittarius.
Im like holy shit; Im going to have fun with this. I said, no way, thats so bad. Sagittarius? Oh, thats bad. She didnt know what
to do. She goes, Whats your sign? I dont know. I dont think I know you well enough. The whole time Im pushing her away,
Im twirling her, giving her high fives. Girls love that stuff.
PUA: You did this immediately?
SB: This is right off the bat.
PUA: So you do the opener, then you begin pushing them away?
SB: After they start giggling. Its buying temperature.
PUA: At what level do you start pushing them away?
SB: Once you realize some subtle IOIs. Once they start talking to you, once theyre opened up with open body language. Once they
start giggling a lotthats what we try doing with the opener, because giggling pushes them through emotions, and it gets their
buying temperature up.
PUA: What if theyre sitting down?
SB: That limits you because youre not going to be able to do body language. Youve got to do it with verbal communications,
strictly verbal. Youre going through all three of thosebreak rapport, neutral, get rapport. Youre going to try to shift through all
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PUA: What if theyre sitting and they dont have an extra seat?
SB: Youre going to have to pull up a chair.
PUA: You dont have a chair.
SB: Its like youre blown out. Whats going to happen is Im going to have to approach them, do my opener, but where do you go
from there? Youre going to be standing there forever. Its just like youre the chump thats standing there. What you can do with it
is, when youre by this girl, grab her hands and take her seat. It only works on the hottest girls. Dont do it with a little fatty. Shell
cry.
PUA: What about subways?
SB: Subways are weird. I dont know many girls that like guys talking to them on subways. I know a girl that purposely goes on
there with books so no one will talk to her. Im not saying its impossible. Just realize that on the subway their defense will be
extremely high. Its like approaching a girl in a dark alley. So dont think you can pick-up in any circumstances whatsoever. Some
circumstances, the logistics are just fucked up. Some guys have trouble in clubs. Its hard for them, but you can learn that. The
streets at night.
Sickboy Interview - Field Report

SB: This is really bad. This is my neighbor living in the room next to me. I just moved in two weeks ago. I didnt know these women
before. This was the first time we go over there. It was just a party. These were college girls. This girl was 20. A little hottie. So, I
go over there. The second I get in a venue, I just want to start talking, because the more you prolong it, the harder its going to be.
Lets say you go in a club and you go like, Okay. Ill do a set. Let me get water first. The more you prolong it, the harder its going
to be. So, when I get in, I start right off the bat. When you guys are doing clubs or bars, hit the first set you see. Test out an
opener, get in a confident state. It will just make you feel more comfortable, even though you dont want any girls in the group, just
get into that mode. Its so much easier. Youre approach anxiety will just go down, the less you think about it and the more you do
itSo, I walk in there. The girls are already in a really good mood. It was going to be easy getting attraction, getting good vibes. I
wouldnt have to deal with lock-up or any of that stuff. I walk over to one of the girls. I did the jealous girlfriend opener. Its a
perfect opinion opener because it sets it up for you to start shit testing. So I start shit testing her and shes giggling, giggling,
giggling. Youd burn the pictures? Thats so mean, so mean. You could be the worst date (?) ever, ever. I start pushing her away.
She comes back, I start twirling her. So Im pushing her away, leaning in, pulling back--stupid attract stuff. Mini-cold reads:
Powerpuff girl, little Nancy Drew girl (shes asking all these questions). She was like an 8. So, I at least had the attraction stuff
down, because I was just doing so much of it, takeaway body language, that she was grabbing me, grabbing me. When shed grab
me, I tested her some more. Why you grabbing me? Hands off the merchandise, okay? Hands off the merchandise. I dont think I
know you well eno ugh for you to touch me like that. I got to look out for you guys. This is just a room of 6 girls and my roommates
(?) arent around. I dont know what you girls can do. Ive got watch out for you girls. At this point, her roommates are in the set
too, and theyre all giggling and Im just like playing them one off the other. So, later on we sat down at a table because we were
drinking beer. So we start talking, and she starts shit testing me. By this point, we moved into rapport. All the attract stuff was
down because I had her now, I had her isolated. Isolation is not a requirement for rapport. Isolation you do later on, but it just so
happens that it was just me and her talking. You know you have rapport when girls start asking about yourself. Questions. They
want to know about you. Theyre trying to gain rapport. All the attract stuffmini-cold reads, cocky/funny stuff, the big routines, the
push away stuffdrop all that, because after a while it gets old. By this time, its like getting to know each other. If she sees you as
just this guy, especially in a clubgirls dont know who you are, right? They could be massively attracted to you, but if they dont
know who you are, youre going to have to fill that in. You cant just be this club guy. When we approach, since weve done it so
many times, were good at it. When I approach a girl in a club, girls know right off the bat, This guy is super, super confident. Hes
done this before. He knows what hes doing. Im attracted to him, but watch out. They know the secondlater on theyre fucking,
and they know theyre not going to be able to stop it, too, because theyre attracted. So half the game is building trust and comfort.
So thats what you want to do in this whole rapport phase. So I had this girl talking in rapport. She starts shit testing me really,
really hard. Shes accusing me of being conceited, of being a player, because they pick up on this shit and after a while your games
going to get really good where girls are going to know that you know about this shit. How do you know about this shit? Because
youve done it a thousand times, youve fucked all these chicks, right? They dont know that were in a room right now talking about
this stuff, or theres an Internet chat board where guys are fabricating routines on how to build the perfect connection between two
people. Manufacturedthey think its fucking genuine. They dont know I could do this with any girl, anywhere. So, I realized that
shes shit testing me. I go to use what she gives me, right? Girls tell you a lot about the sarge. Theyll give you cues to what you
need at that point. So when shes accusing me of being conceited, and a player, two things went off in my mind. First, Im going to
have to disarm that, so comfort and trust is really hard. She already had the doubt, she was on the defensive. Second, she thought
I was conceited, so I was overqualified for her, because I was dressed really cool. She knows me and my friends, our reputations.
She was very defensive, so I knew I had to work towards that. The best thing to do wasI just went on about how I had to be
honest. I am a male slut. I sleep around with these girls all the time and Im good at it. This is the girl I mentioned earlier, when I
talked about telling her not to play the game (shit test) with me because Im better at it than you and youll losethe last girl
cried. So, she already knew I knew the game. I told her she wasnt going to win. She challenged me. You cant make me cry. That
wouldnt happen to me. So I told her, Im a male slut. I go out to clubs. I sleep with good-looking women. But thats not what Im
looking for. She says, What are you looking for? So I was like, The girl doesnt even have to be that gorgeous. I can get that. I
can go out to clubs and fuck these girls, but its just empty. I wake up in the morning. They leave, and theres nothing else there. I
go back to thinking about my first girlfriend at school, and how we loved each o ther, and how special that was. We used to go out
on Saturday nights, and we used to just come back and have great sex. But shed always be there the next day. Wed have
breakfast, read the paper or watch TV. Thats whats missing in my life right now. Im through with going out to these clubs,
sleeping with these women and having nothing there. That took care of the whole conceited thing. I was like, I could fall into that
trap really easily. I go out to these clubs and its just all superficial. Sometimes I fall into that and I dont even realize it. I dont
even want that anymore. But thats whats there, and thats what I know. What Im doing this all for is Im challenging her. Im
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PUA: You mentioned before that maybe you were looking for a really cool girl. Whats your mindset at this point? Are you thinking
maybe she is that girl and youre setting her up for that or are you just trying to fuck her that night?
PUA: Its almost like hes challenging her to win his comfort and trust.
SB: Yeah, make her prove herself, that she could make me not want to be this conceited player now that she thinks I am, which I
probably am anyway.
PUA: What if the girl just wanted to fuck.
SB: I gauged her. She wasnt that type of girl. There are two types of girls: party girls and girls that are for real. Party girls just stay
in the attract phase till you fuck them. You can neg them, tease them, push them away, till you get to the bedroom. You dont need
comfort and trust with party girls.
PUA: How do you know if shes a party girl?
SB: You can just tell. Party girls will be like grabbing you, really easy to talk totheyll make their intentions known really quick.
So where was I?
PUA: The girls feeling attraction. She wants to validate that attraction. Youre letting her do that by showing...
SB: Yeah. They get pumped through attraction so fast, that theres no comfort and trust. You have to build that, so that theyll feel
okay with the attraction, and they can act on it, because theyre not going to act on the attraction without comfort and trust. Its
just not going to happen. A girl wont sleep with you unless she feels comfortable enough, because theres a lot of fucked up people
in the city, especially for a lone girl. Shes going to need to feel strong comfort and trust.
PUA: Ross teaches build comfort first and then move into the attraction, but you do it differently.
SB: There was a thread on this group a few months ago when I first joined about building attraction and rapport. The general
consensus is to get attraction first.
So with this girl, what happened was she responded to itunbelievable. Then I started talking about the first girlfriend I ever had
and the way she made me feel, how I trusted her, and how when I was with her I never wanted to be superficial. I never just
wanted to go around and sleep with girls. Basically I had to convey about how sleeping with girls feels and when you feel a real
connection with someone its so much better. I realized this this summer and Im trying to get away from that. Notice I didnt say
Im not a player. I said I still am, but Im trying to get away from it. If I had responded to her with Im not a player. Im not into
that. I would be qualifying myself. So instead of going against it, you go with it and use it to your advantage. To tell you the truth,
the reason I kept going with this is I love to field test stuff. She started challenging me, and I just wanted to see if I could get
around it. I think it convinced her that she was the girl that could lead me away from this.
PUA: Did you convince her of that or
SB: I made her convince herself. And I made it look like me as the victim. I said, I go out to these clubs and all my friends are like
that and I just dont want to be like that anymore. And I tell the girl, Im looking for love.
PUA: With a straight face?
SB: Its a straight face.
PUA: Im curiousdo you separate in your mind that theres a difference between trust and comfort? For me its like a button
SB: I view comfort more as talking about yourself, letting a girl know who you are, filling in that blank canvas of who you are. A girl
is going to feel comfortable around a guy that she knows a lot about. I was basically telling her all about myself. See, I went into
this whole story about myself. I told her about this summer, the moment I realized that I didnt want to be this player anymore. I
was home. I was lying on the beach. I described how beautiful it was. I was by myself. It was a private beach. There were some
families on the beach. Every day I went down there, there was this old couple, 60 or 70. I would see them together on the beach
holding hands. It was so amazing to think about that, how after being married for 40 or 50 years, after all that time, they still were
holding hands spending each day with each other on the beach. Thats special, thats what lifes about. Its not about going to these
clubs and being superficial. When I was on the beach I was reading this book and I saw it, halfway through the summer I realized
what it was really all about, and I just put my book down and I thought to myself for about an hour what was really important to
me, and what matters. Since then, Ive just been trying to get out of this lifestyle. Its hard. [Hysterical laughter!]
PUA: That feels like comfort.
SB: That was more trust. She knows that Im really trying hard to get out of this lifestyle and that if she takes a chance with me, I
wont (indiscernible) because Im not that guy. Im not the guy that wants to be like that.
PUA: Itd be funny if these girlfriends got together and said, He said that same shit to me.
SB: Yeah. I kind of strayed away from using canned material. Id say 90% of my stuff is on the fly past the first 5 minutes. The first
five minutes, you know some of the stuff is canned. It can be. Ill tell a story, but the story wont be real, like the story of the beach.
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PUA: Youll use that again?
SB: Yeah. You guys can use that too.
So the next move wasI built all this comfort and trust. (indiscernible - traffic noise) I told her this story about how my first
girlfriend smoked Marlboro cigarettes, and she was smoking Marlboros, so that reminded me of my first girlfriend. I was leaving, but
as Im leaving, Im getting up and talking to her, walking away, talking, still telling her the story, walking, walking, walking, shes
following me out. She gets to the front door of her apartment and goes like this (holds herself back, stops short of going through the
doorway?) almost like you could see her lose her balance. So I just kept walking, and now Im in my apartment. Im talking to her
like this. Were looking at each other. Shes got her head out the window. But see, this is the weird shit girls do when they know its
going down. Major shit test. This is last minute resistance. So I walked in my apartment, and Im yelling in my apartment now so
she can hear me on the other side. This is so stupid. I cant believe were having this conversation like this. Shes like, Im not
coming in your apartment. Im not coming in your apartment. I just got to get a sip of iced tea. She runs over. Iced tea?! Now
shes outside my front door, leaning in like this. Im drinking, really enjoying it. Ahhh. This is sooo good. This is the best iced tea
ever. Im right here and shes trying to reach for it. Shes 20 feet away. I was like, Come here. Do you want the iced tea or not?
Were talking, but still Im walking, drawing her closer and closer.
We learned it from these salesmen in Miami. Were walking out of the store, and the salesman goes, Oh, weve got the specials
right over here. TD is like, What? (following him)
So, Im doing this to the girl and she follows me. Im leading her all the way around. It was retarded. I could tell she wanted a good
night kiss or something, because we hadnt kissed at this point. I dont kiss until all the way at the end, because thats sort of
validating them, thats like qualifying them. You keep trying to make them earn it, earn it, earn it. So Im not going to blow it early
on by just giving them a kiss. Im basically going to fuck them by the timethats how I know theyre going to be validated.
PUA: As youre telling the story youre walking?
SB: Yeah. Im looking over my shoulder.
PUA: Ive done that a little bit. It works.
PUA: The whole time shes like, Youre playing games, youre playing games. At this point Im not even acknowledging that. Im
just walking. Shes doing anything she can to throw herself out of state. I walk all the way to the back of my apartment by my
computer, look at my computer. Shes still talking to me. Im like Yeah, yeah, good, good. Then one of the other friends comes in
the room from the party next door. So now its okay for her to be in the apartment, because she felt comfort, right? She knew
nothing was going to happen with her friend there. So she comes all the way into my bedroom, whereas 5 seconds before shes like
this (hanging behind the threshold?) over the front door. She wont even walk in. Her friend leaves because I said something. Why
is she in my apartment. Its sort of weird. So she talks to her and tells her to go. Her friend leaves and she closes the door behind
her. So I look at her. I look at her in the eyes like this: triangular gazing, eyes to lips. (indiscernible) glances. Go like this. I grab
her, start making out with her. She fucking throws me on the wall, starts making out with me hardcore. Its over
Sickboy Interview - Openers

Openers are just bullshit, right? Its a way to get in. Thats going to lead you to display your personality and really work the set.
Dont rely too much on having the perfect opener. Id say 75% of the sarges I do, halfway through, I dont even remember what
opener I used. The chicks dont even know. An opener is just a neutral way to get into the set. The ones we use the most now
David Bowie, jealous girlfriend, dental floss, wheelchair opener.
PUA: Whats the dental floss opener?
SB: Hey guys. I have a really important question. A friend of mine and I have been debating this all day. Flossing: before or after
you brush? Its retarded, right? But the girls laugh because its so weird. The key is that you build it up where its such an
important question. After, you just go into your routine. Do mini-cold reads, etc.
PUA: Whats the wheelchair opener?
SB: Its one Papa made up. Hey guys. I need an opinion. Would you ever date someone in a wheelchair? Hmmmmmmm. Thats
so superficial. I cant believe you said that. You guys hang with this guy, are you kidding me? What if it was a really nice
wheelchair? (Indiscernible: he describes the features.) If she responds positively, then you say What if it was this really old, dirty
wheelchair, where one wheel was bent? That opener gets good responses all the time.
Okay. A lot of you guys who dont approach because you have approach anxietywant a really good opener just to get the girls
talking? Use the jealous girlfriend opener. Most of the time this will work and get the girls talking for 5 minutes. You can use any
variation. My friend just moved in with his girlfriend., a certain problem arose, what do you guys think? It will always get the
girls talking. See how its so neutral? Youre not hitting on them, but at the same time youre not insulting them. So, My friend just
moved in with his girlfriend. She finds a bra under his bed. The things been there for 6 months, so he doesnt even know whos it is.
She flips out. Wants him to burn it. Is that even rational? What do you guys think about that? It will just get them talking. I
recommend that if you need help approaching.
PUA: Can you talk about stringing them together? Do you need more than one opener?
SB: Thats like a Mystery method style. What he teaches is to stack the openers. Mysterys whole thing to do, because he does
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group and convey his personality throughout these openers. At the same time hell neg the target. So, what hes doing is hes
keeping the whole set entertained while hes negging the target and building attraction with the one(s) that he wants. So if you
want to stack openers and go that route, read up on Mysterys posts. Its amazing, amazing stuff. You guys should really read up on
that.
PUA: So you dont stack them?
SB: If its going bad, if youre running out of stuff, Ill stack them. But I like to take one opener and just work off of it, and just work
off of it and just keep rolling, do a mini-cold read.
Right at the opener you want to use a lot of attract material, get them laughing. You can do cocky/funny role-playing. You can be
my new girlfriend. Can you cook? No? Wait, we have to break up. This will never work.Hey, we can get married. Wait, if we get
married Ill be a stay-at-home husband. Its just like funny stuff. So thats what I would do after the opener. Once that stuff starts
to bomb, I would do another opener. Sometimes I do an opener in the middle of the set. Lets say some people approach the set,
like the rest of her friends. Then maybe Ill do another opener, just to get the rest of them involved. Because a lot of time with sets,
when youre working with a group, you want to get the whole group involved. Or, the one girl thats not into it who will pull all her
friends away, so you want to try to do that. Stacking openers is a great way to do that.
Once they start asking you questionsTheyre laughing and laughing. Hey, whats your name? Thats a huge indicator. That means
theyre trying to get rapport with you. They want to know who you are. Thats a big IOI. From this point, you lessen; you lower it
until the point where youre basically in rapport and building comfort and trust. Drop the cocky/funny stuff.
PUA: (Indiscernible question from Mishel regarding his obvious accent and her asking where youre from)
SB: Yeah. This guy Toecutter is involved with that, too. What he says about thatIm sure once that happens, the conversation just
dies. Where are you from?
PUA: Israel.
SB: Oh, I know someone from Israel.
PUA: It should be very easy because maybe they have friends from Israel.
SB: Yeah, its boring, right? Theyre taking control of the conversation. You want it to be your conversation. So just bust em, bust
em. Say something like, Where do you come up with these questions? You dont care where Im from. Oh wow, you know someone
from Israel? Maybe we know each other. Thats how I would turn it around.
PUA: One mistake I made a lot, which Im correcting, is I pause too often on an opener. I pause for a reaction, or something like
that. The group thingyou want to be in charge of the conversation so you dont want to pause too often. At the same time, you
dont want to ask too many questions either. Just go one thing to the other. If you stand and pause for the reaction shes going to
think stalker, stalker in her head, so you want to avoid that.
SB: He brought up a good point. There are different ways of opening for different venues. When Im in a club and its loud music and
its all high energy girls tend to stand (?) like this. Unless you whack them over the head with some crazy material, theyre going to
walk off. So you have to overwhelm their reality. The way you do that is you open fucking hard. You just open and start busting
through your material quick quick quick. No pausing at all. Just keep going going going until you have them like a deer in the
headlights, till theyve stopped and youre their only reality, everything else is blocked out. But if youre in a coffee shopyou just
pause, because youre not going anywhere, youre at a table, talking normally. You dont need to overwhelm them with material. On
the street, too, you have to talk faster because if theyre walking somewhere youre going to have to stop them and hold them there
really quick. So thats a good point about pausing, when and when not to do it, opening for different venues.
PUA: I find sometimes they go straight to rapport and they respond more to that.
PUA: You have to shit test them a little bit, because once you stray into rapportsometimes that happens, you just get caught in a
rapport trap, right? Theres no attraction there. Youre going to have weave things into the rapport stage as well, like intrigue. Then
youre going to have to use more body language to build that attraction from there. Its really hard when that happens. That used to
happen to me a lot. So you just get to them by shit testing.
A lot of guys have a problem with the cocky/funny stuff and negging where its too hard and the girls getting offended. I moved
almost completely away from harsh negs. My whole game right now is playful negs. Like calling girls your little sister. Girls dont
want to be thought of as the little sister. Basically show them, I love my little sister. No girl is seriously going to go, Thats so
rude and walk away. Its going to bring them down a step, but at the same time its fun, its playful, right? So thats what my whole
game is right now. But for the 9s and 10s, you need those harsher negs. When you guys are doing this stuff, youre probably doing
it on girls with low self-esteem or mid self-esteem. Not as hot. They dont get hit on as much. If theyre really responding well to
you, dont neg them because its just going to get bad responses. Any of you guys ever get a good field experience where all of a
sudden youre having this great conversation. Dont bust out a neg. Its just going to alienate the girl, push her away. If you do, do
something to pull her back in.
PUA: What do you do for Day 2 stuff? (remainder indiscernible)
SB: Day 2 is something really important that Ive been talking about a lot. When I was in Amsterdam with Mystery and TD, almost
exclusively we talked about Day 2, because thats where the real shit goes down. For guys like us, right now were just looking for
really quality women to spend time with, girlfriends, stuff like that. All the one night stands with the party chicks, after a while it
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youre looking for. Youll want to look for more quality women. So we dont have sex with girls on Day 1s. Well save it for Day 2 so
its more of a frame of a relationship, because a lot of times if you sleep with the girl the first night you met them they get buyers
remorse. Theyll be like, I slept with this weird club guyit just happenedI felt skeevy about itI dont know if I should talk to him
again. So what if you had this great conversation, you had this great time at the club, and you dont go for the full close. You save
it for Day 2. You think on Day 2 shes going to be worried about what happened the night before, or is she going to be more
comfortable to meet up? Shes definitely going to be more comfortable. Thats what we were focusing on. A lot of the time, girls
dont want to meet up, its because 99% of the guys dont understand this whole buying temperature stuffgirls have to be pushed
up to that buying temperature. If you made out at the club on Day 1, on Day 2 they know youre going to try to make out with them
because you already did it before. Most guys think they can pick up from where they left off, which is not the case. That s why on
Day 2 you call her up, and all of a sudden youre just this funny guy using callback humor from the day before. Its not going to
work; its not going to be funny. Lets say the whole time youre calling her Powerpuff Girl. Then you get on the phone and youre
like, Hey little Powerpuff Girl. It doesnt work because shes not at that buying temperature. You have to push her to that again.
On Day 1, I dont really get her number, I get meet plans, which are a lot more solid. Think about it. If youre in a club, you have a
great conversation and at the end of the conversation you ask, Whats your phone number? Ill give you a call sometime. You get
the phone number, and granted she leaves thinking Wow, this guys going to call me sometime. You dont call the next day or the
day after. Four days goes by. Shes going to lose those memories of how good it was the first night, because the buying
temperature is going to go down down down. If you call the next day with meet plans, the buying temperature is still going to be
there a little bit and youre going to be able to escalate from there. What Ill do is something like, Hey, tomorrow Im going
skateboarding in Central Park. Its going to be really cool. You ever go skateboarding? I can teach you. Other than that we can just
walk around the park. Itll be fun. Its going to be a great day out. So you just have an activity in mind on Day 2. Shes like,
Okay. Youre like, How can I get in touch with you. Heres my phone number. See the difference between that and Whats
your phone number?
Solid game plans are fucking important. Always have a solid game plan no matter what. Even if youre going to do a venue change
in a bar have a game plan, when you get her back have a game plan, or Day 2 have a game plan. Youve always got to know where
youre at. If you dont know where youre at, the chick doesnt know where youre at, shes going to sense that and shes going to
go. Always have plans. If she says she cant go, suggest something else, and if she says no again and you sense shes breaking off,
say something like Well, what steps are we going to have to take to make this happen? Its basically putting the ball in her court.
Try to make plans the next day or the day after. I know a lot of guys ask how long do you wait before you call? A hot chick in a club,
she gives guys her number. What, are you building anticipation by waiting? She knows youre going to call, she knows what youre
calling for. Instead you ask, Listen. What are you doing tomorrow? Its really cool. Its not that intrusive. Think about it. The girl
had all this comfort before. She had no reason not to. Whats the main reason why girls flake? Because they think youre going to
pick up from where you left off. They think its going to be weird.
PUA: Do you have anything you do for a first encounter, like build trust and bridge to Day 2?
SB: Its building ultimate rapport, wide rapport. Deep rapport is when you talk about one subject. Lets say you both love scuba
diving and you talk about if for 2 hours in a bar. Its a fucking great conversation. You say, Lets meet up. She says, Sure, sure,
great, great. Shes probably not going to go because shes going to think, what are we going to talk about, well have nothing to
talk about. Even in your sarges, whats your biggest fear running out of things to talk about? So, if you just talk about the one
subject and finish talking about the one subject, shes going think theyll be nothing to talk about. What if you had all these different
subjects to talk about and you dont finish talking about them. On Day 2 shes going to be more inclined to hook up, because you
have more to talk about and youre this person who can talk about so many different subjects instead of just one.
PUA: Could that build comfort and trust, though?
SB: That builds rapport. Yes, its very important to build trust, because shes not going to be in your apartment with you the next
day if she doesnt have enough trust. Think about it. Were these guys. We approach these girls super confident with super good
material in a club, in a coffee shop, or on the street. Youre just not the next guy. Like who are you? So building comfort and trust is
just displaying your personality, who you really are. Let them know you have a family, let them you have this job, this hobby that
youre passionate about. Let them know who you are as a person, thats comfort and trust. Without that, youre just this guy who
approached in a club who got her attracted really quick and shes probably a little leery about that. Thats not enough to go on. So
building comfort and trust is super, super important.
PUA: On Day 2, how do you build up to where you can go back to your apartment? (?)
SB: You dont have to use a lot of attraction stuff, because shes already attracted to you. What shes going to want initially is
comfort. So youre going to want to build comfort really quick. I just wrote a really good post on it. Ill go as far as to say
something, on Day 1, after we have meeting plans, like Last time I went out with a girl that I kissed in a club she tries to kiss me
as soon as we met, the next time. I dont know if you girls are scared about that? And she just picks up where I left off. Then she
be like Yeah, wow, me too. Use all their shit against them. Use every single thing theyve ever used against you against them. The
strongest game Ive ever used, all the best shit Ive learned is from girls. All the girls that shut me down, pulled shit on meits the
best stuff.
So, Day 2 is comfort first. Then you want to get rapport. Get to know each other. Rapport is just getting to know each other. Then
escalate it to where you start seducing her and go for the close.

Sickboy Interview - Blowing AFCs/Cockblocks Out of the Set

SB: To cut down guys, we have a bunch of lines we useAnother guy approaches the set. A line he always uses is, How do you
guys know each other? Usually people will talk about how they know each other. Ill be like, I fucked her. Youve got to do this on
9s and 10s. Theyll be like, aaaahhh. Its really good. But do it on a 7(and shell be freaked)

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PUA: But you hadnt fucked her yet.
SB: This is like totally cocky shit, like doing battle with the other guy. The guys like, Ah-ah-ah-ah and it totally cut him out of the
set. Another thingA guy comes and tries to bust up the set. He comes around to the chicks. I say, Dude, dude. I will pay you
$200 to take these girls off my hands right now. The girls always say, What? Ahhh. The guy says, What? $200? Pay me, pay
me. Then you go, Chicks (indiscernible). Blown out, blown out. By saying that hes qualifying himself right into your frame. He
looks like a chump. And youre negging the girls at the same time.
PUA: Did you ever get a negative reaction from the girl who you supposedly fucked?
SB: Yeah. When we first started trying it out. It doesnt work all the time. You have to have high attraction girls, be in the set for a
little bit. You have to use it on the right girls.
PUA: What if you say shes my wife or my girlfriend?
SB: Thats kind of like qualifying yourself. Thats not like blowing out the other guy. You could say something like, That shirt is
fucking awesome, dude. Is that LaCoste? You know, I used to wear LaCoste in fucking high school. I had all those shirts. Its like, is
that a compliment or what?
This guy Bad Boy, he goes up to guys approaching girls and says, Hey guys. Wheres your girlfriend? Wheres your girlfriend? If
they say, shes at home, he says, Girls, this guy leaves his girlfriend at home and comes out to hit on you. Whats up with that? If
they say, I dont have a girlfriend, he says, How lame is that. This guy doesnt have a girlfriend? Dude, there are some cute girls
over there. Why dont you go talk to them. OrYoull find someone.
A lot of alpha males will try to touch you for dominance. Hey dude. Im not into guys. The gay club is over there. Im with girls.
Theyll come up and be very direct. Ill be like, Girls, do you know this guy? Is this your friend? Hes like freaking me out. Hes like
touching you? What shit is that? Is he trying to seduce you?Call him out on the fact that hes an alpha male. Thats really cool.
Youre the alpha male. You know, alpha males Youre like the leader of the pack. You call the shots. Like youre the boss, man.
Fuckin cool. Youre a really cool guy. Its like baiting the guy so much. Once they get made like that they try to gain rapport with
you and ask you a question or say something. The second they do that lock them out of the set. Just completely ignore them and
theyll look like fucking chumps qualifying themselves to you. Theyre blown out of the set.

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SEQUENCING
When I'm in set here are the heirarchy of things I'm thinking about:
1- Vocal projection and resonation and pacing (the single most important part of the pickup). I focus on getting the most amount of
projection and depth out of my system, without having to speed up my speaking speed. The reason is that its easier to project the
faster that you talk, because the vocal movements help surpress the air, so it goes further. You don't want to have to speak quickly
though, so this is difficult and therefore takes concentration. If you talk slower, you can't project as much unless you focus harder.
You have to warm up your chords and have them resonating. You MUST even out your tonality so that they become almost
hypnotized by it, and totally suggestable. You must also use rapport inducing vocal inflections in certain situations, rapport breaking
inflections, disinterest inflections, interest inflections, and even screaming in certain situations. These all elicit autopilot responses
that you need.
I run my shit with NO "umms, uhhh, sort of like, stuff like that". I keep PERFECT eye contact, and resonate my voice in different
ways based on their reactions, to amplify them. The girls are mesmerized within seconds, and even if their friends try to pull them
away they usually don't even realize it until their friends freak out and yell "What are you doing to her?!?! Jenny, LET'S GO NOW!!"
and drag her. Anyone is capable of this. It's purely a combo of vocal stuff and very very steady material. It's not hard to learn.
2- Mentally pummelling the girls. That means coming in HARD man. It's like if I'm going to knock over a cow. I'm not going to walk
over slow and try to push it over, because its too big. I'm going to get ready, tense up, and RUN THE FUCKING THING DOWN... :)
Get it? I roll in there, and I talk over the girls, and disacknowledge a lot of what they say by cutting off their bullshit screening
threads and promoting the ones that help me. I have material tee-ed up, and I sequence it and re-sequence it so that their brains
register a few things: I'm fucking SMART, I'm alpha, I'm a source of wisdom, I'm cooler than them, and I'm funny as hell. I never
let them have the frame. If they ask me a question that would take the frame from me by allowing them to control the interaction in
a way that doesn't help me, I make them re-phrase it more clearly so they're qualifying themselves. My comedic timing is 100%
perfect. I extend the material like an accordian to wait for their anticipation to build up, before delivering punch line material (be it
funny, intriguing, cocky, or whatever). I don't just go through the motions. I own the frame based on keen observation and
calibration.
**I'M NOT USING C&F AS ENTERTAINMENT, BUT RATHER AS REINFORCEMENT OF THE META-MEANING OF THE INTERACTION.
3- Bodylanguage awareness (mine and hers). Pulling back when they're hooked, and cutting in to get in close promiximity by
looking at the group and closing in the space ASAP without them throwing up shields. Read "Active disinterest is not a-sexual", for
how to close the distance in the set. Read "How to play hard to get, actually for real" for how to pull back. Oftentimes I walk into a
set and see that they're hooked before I open my mouth, so I smile and pull back a bit and they start screaming and pull me into
their set. Just like I'm Justin Timberlake or something. It's all bodylanguage sequencing. This is why you read the workshop
testimonials like "This guy was amazing.. You have to see it, its insane". It's because I get these kinds of reactions, by highly
calibrated use of bodylanguage. The same goes for phase shifting. I'm always thinking "Get in there TD.. Gear it down TD.. Gear it
down....... Slow... Slow... She's turning.. Force her face back.. Keep her brain occupied with some bullshit that I learned from the
discovery channel about emotional circuitry and physical reactions while I subcommunicate with her on the other channels and her
brain switches gears".. Eventually she'll go for tonguedown, because you're forcing her to gear down. A great thing that Mystery
does if they won't gear down is say "Look right here.. Look right here" with his finger up in between their two faces.. Then he says
"Slow your switching speed.. Slow your switching speed.. Slooooow..." until they slow down (this sentence makes no sense). He is
all the while communicating via the sexual and physical channel with his vocal resonations and speed and eye contact and slowness
of his movements. The same goes for extractions and moving them within the club. I'm hyper keyed into their buying temperature
and the little movements and reactions to my kino, so I always know when to extract. Guys are always shocked at how quickly I can
venue change, and that's because I almost always know when its time and they'll say yes. The second I see they'll go for it, I start
moving them around to prepare to get them in full isolation down the line.
4- Forcing autopilot responses. Tee-ing up TR, NR, BR sequencing. Trying for rapport, Neutral to rapport, and Breaking rapport. I
alternate between these three forms of sentences, as needed. That means that the interaction and material is the same, but I
alternate the words that go in between. The same sentence can mean various different things, depending on the words you add into
it. I may say "I know this question is so weird.. I guess I'm just in a funny mood today. This is such a great club, do you like it? Me
too. So yeah, like I was saying - (back on material)", if I think I'm overqualifying. Or I'll say "You guys are geniuses.. OK you're
cool, anyway - (back on material)" It's like getting ready to knock over a 12 year old boy, or Mike Tyson. Do you just shove a bit, or
wind up with everything you have? You don't want to shoot a bazooka at a squirrel, but you don't want to shoot a pellet gun at a
moose. You use what's necessary - nothing more but also nothing less. Calibrate. I slam material delivery down their throats, that
will guarantee the autopilot response that I need. I also force qualification based stuff on them, like "Do you have x,y,z???" right at
the right point, as they say certain things.
5- Blueprint sequencing awareness. All girls have certain subconscious things that need to happen before they sleep with a guy.
That's why so many girls will say to me while we're in bed "I'm not even attracted to you. I don't even want you." I've keyed into
their blueprint and I've triggered it. So even though they aren't attracted to me or even like me, their lower brain is so hyper
engaged that they are too suggestable to stop what is happening. This is also why girls will always cheat on their boyfriends. They
can't control it any more than we could control a girl giving us a blowjob and busting our load. Stimulus causes reaction whether we
like it or not. Girls are stimulated via their minds, and because its more covert than a girl blowing us, we can engage this stimulation
and before she knows what's happening she's already so hyper engaged that she just goes for it. I am cued-in to their reactions,
and I can tell what kind of girl she is and what kinds of things attract her. Some girls are more attracted to girls who pull back, while
others are attracted to trust and other are attracted to rich snobs. Badboys, guys who make them feel safe.. Whatever. I get keyed
into this stuff, and modify the interaction accordingly by deciding which parts of my personality to reveal. We all have these sides,
and while we're building comfort by talking about our lives, we can divulge the information to them that is fits their blueprint
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**The material is the material that HOLDS the interaction WHILE I do these things. It's easier for me to maintain perfect EC and
perfect tonality with ZERO "umms, uhhhs" or any other words that subcommunicate lower value or insecurity, because the material
has this eradicated as part of its content. Because I appear so smooth, I appear more intelligent and sharper. It is useful because it
allows my mental processor time to be spent hyper-analyzing the above aspects of the interaction. I KNOW that the material won't
set them off in any negative way that could break state, unlike improved stuff which does not necessarily have a predictable
outcome. I know the material has nothing stupid in it, and it has stuff in it that's interesting and therefore DISARMS THE ASD that
the girls feel while they're becoming attracted, because they can rationalize to themselves "He's just interesting. That's why I'm
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