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conflict was played-out on two websites related to Josh Shapiro [reader poll and facebook page];
reorganized chronologically, this is what transpired:
members werent there. Even if the family members made it out alive, the destruction of the homes are
collective punishment. The high civilian death toll is empirical evidence of Israels flawed policy.
You were duped, willingly or unwillingly. You characterize the civilian death toll as high without
reference to the missile-attacks upon Israel that preceded the bombing of places from which missiles
were sent; you failed to acknowledge the need to silence the missiles.
In addition, the boys on the beach claim was a hoax, as per forensic analysis.
You depict an oxymoron when you claim Israel wiped out entire families when they werent present;
Israel thereforeby your parlancecouldnt have wiped-out entire families. Also, it is not collective
punishment to target specific sites.
You have failed to discount the specific human shield claim and you have failed to acknowledge the
heinous plan to use the tunnels to invade southern Israel on Rosh Hashanah.
thomaswictor.com/timeline-hamas-gaza-beach-operation/
{strike two}
3) The relocation of Churchill was not a metaphor. You are just making that up.
You have failed to discount the specific citation from BHOs book attacking colonialismand its
implications; and I didnt make-up the relocation from the Oval Office, as per your citation.
{strike three, one out}
4) YOU are the one that used towns and villages. YOUR QUOTE: This quote is from an article written
by an Israeli-critic: The 600-odd rockets that had accurately targeted towns and villages were almost all
successfully intercepted by Iron Domes Tamir missiles a nearly 90% success rate, according to the
Israel Defense Forces. So, you are now complaining about your own quote? Thats pretty bad. My
arithmetic is just fine. Statistically, 10% is a very large sample size. Most statistical projections are done
with a fraction of a percent. The expected death toll would be in the low dozens. Shelters are still
cheaper than Iron Dome, which isnt worth the expense.
I used the quote *from a leftie+ to introduce the rockets *undeniable+which you still havent
confronted. Also, if you had watched videos of the Iron Dome system, you would note that there is an
instantaneous decision made as soon as a missile is detected as to its target, and only those that
threaten civilians are intercepted; when you play-percentages, you again ignore the fact that Israel must
bat 1000 whereas the Arabs can always return to attack again. And Israel also used shelters, whereas
Hamas not only DIDNT use them, but placed civilians @ military targets to protect them.
Hamas admitted it DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as human shields to launch rocket
attacks on Israel but claims it was mistake. Furthermore, the Israeli military captured a Hamas
manual on urban warfare called Introduction to the City War that extols the benefits of civilian
deaths and openly admits that Israel tries to avoid them.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-Gaza-Strip-human-shieldslaunch-rocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html#ixzz3IyXc3CRI
nypost.com/2014/08/05/hamas-manual-details-civilian-death-plan-israel/
9) As for the jstreet article you posted, I agree with it, and you misrepresented the death of the child.
The child was killed after jumping out his window. The article does NOT say that he was throwing rocks
or joined the group of kids who were throwing rocks. Merely, he was killed went soldiers fired at a group
of kids. (Note: soldiers shouldnt be lethally firing on kids throwing rocks.) Also, the kids were
confronting: Israeli soldiers after days of house searches and arrests.
Rock-throwing can kill *ref. stoning to death+ and, thus, cannot be tolerated; whatever oppression
may have been appreciated and served as the grievance, none existed with regard to the Israeli.
{strike three, three out, inning over}
I havent discussed Joshs positions with him regarding Israel. However, Im confident he is a stronger
supporter of Israels policies than you are and would vote to increase aid to them if given the
opportunity. I have zero doubt that he would vote for everything Israel asked for. I have zero hope of
convincing him to agree with J-Street. I would vote for him anyway because hes right on the other
issues, and he serious person who wouldnt call the President (or a group like J-Street) anti-Semitic over
a difference in policy approach. Sestak, Toomey and the other potential candidates all parrot Israeli
talking points as well, so Israel is a non-issue to make a decision because all the candidates have the
same basic position.
Sestak doesnt parrot Israeli talking-points, at least he didnt when I heard him @ Rosemont and he
hasnt when interviewed on MSNBC periodically. Essentially, you accommodate genocide in what you
compose and, in the process, fail to address the ongoing strife that Israelis face on a daily basis from all
of her borders [including the Mediterranean.
{you lose, on top of your not having rectified prior aberrations}
THEREFORE, rather than cherry-pick one point, deal with the larger issues raised [such as whether you
would justify the ongoing missile attacks from Gaza and the use of human-shields that are
acknowledged by both sides] and recognize the justification Israel had when dealing with the missiles
and tunnels.
acknowledged by both sides] and recognize the justification Israel had when dealing with the missiles
and tunnels.
Retreating, somewhat, you added a disclaimer: However, the attacks are completely misguided
because they are ineffective and dont advance their cause. So, tactically, they arent justified, only their
right to fight their oppressors is.
Charming. So you claim the thousands of missiles that rained upon Israel [extending not only to Tel Aviv,
but also to Jerusalem+ were ineffective in killing enough Jews, despite their having spread terrorism
among the civilian population; Jewish life is so cheap in your mind that being traumatized over the years
[and having to reside in bomb-shelters] really was an insufficient inconvenience to suit your tastes, eh?
Then, grudgingly, you admit Hamas shouldnt use human shields, but then quickly add what you
mistakenly perceive as a neutralizing counterclaim [lest you subject yourself to the charge that you
relented in any shape or form] thusly: However, Israel shouldnt blame the deaths all the non-shield
humans that Israel indiscriminately kills on Hamas. Find a quote where this posture was ever struck by
the IDF, as it resolutely acted to defend its citizenry [channeling its name].
Finally, you lapse into the classic defense used episodically by the Arabs [in-between triumphant claims]:
Israels response to missiles and tunnels was overkill and not justified, due to its disproportionate
nature. Israel had a right to respond, but their response was wrong. Who the HECK are you to reach
that determination, when you [functioning in your familiar "Ugly American" capacity] reside comfortably
in PA [which, thus far, has been relatively free of terrorism]?
Your posting was a Shanda, and the second question posed to Josh by a thinking-reporter [after he is
asked to disclaim BHO's Iranian-Nuke behavior] should be whether he concurs with anything an
individual such as yourself [running-interference for him, here, on PoliticsPA] has posted.
One resource contains a disinterested summary of these issues noting, for example, how the UNRWA
violated *for "operational" purposes+ the UNs definition of a Refugee; perhaps you may wish to apply
your critical thinking-skills, for a change, instead of adhering to polemics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
The bottom-line point is that Israels policy towards Gaza does not meet the definition of Military
occupation, for Israel intuitively is not able to exert effective provisional control of a certain ruling
power over a territory which is not under the formal sovereignty of that entity, without the volition of
the actual sovereign; you cannot assert otherwise [even invoking the "twisted" section of your mind]
for, otherwise, you would have to account for the ascendancy of Hamas and other Islamists [and it's
counter-intuitive that Israel would control a region from which thousands of missiles would have been
launched against Israel's population centers].
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation
THEREFORE, Defect #1 remains operational, and you have yet to tackle the others; THEREFORE, your
disingenuousness remains exposed.
THEREFORE, rather than cherry-pick one point, deal with the larger issues raised [such as whether you
would justify the ongoing missile attacks from Gaza and the use of human-shields that are
acknowledged by both sides] and recognize the justification Israel had when dealing with the missiles
and tunnels.
You wrote, The attacks from Gaza are completely justified as a response to Israels occupation and
blockades, just as the American revolutionaries fought the injustices of British rule.
Defect #1: The Israelis are not occupying the Gaza Strip; Sharon pulled-out unilaterally almost a
decade ago.
Defect #2: The Israelis have tried to restrict the import of matriel carrying military import; after the
relaxation of such limitations [c/o BHO], the steel used to reinforce the tunnels was permitted to be
imported, yielding a sophisticated network that was to have been employed to invade hundreds of
Southern-Israel communities [including schools], through which innocent Jewish civilians were to be
slaughtered/kidnapped.
Defect #3: Most people would consider the plan to be terroristic, although you would probably
continue to side with the Islamists ["Hamas"], in this case, thereby again affixing upon your breast the
identical label of anti-Semite being sported by BHO *for having aided/abetted this scheme ahead-oftime, forcing BB to relent after the Flotilla incident].
Defect #4: This strategic defensive-move has absolutely no relationship to British policy in Colonial
America; England wasnt imposing restrictions in self-defense and, thus, to attempt to wrap yourself
around the flag of patriotism recalls that infamous phrase that labels that rhetorical-claim to be the
last refuge of the scoundrel.
Retreating, somewhat, you added a disclaimer: However, the attacks are completely misguided
because they are ineffective and dont advance their cause. So, tactically, they arent justified, only their
right to fight their oppressors is.
Defect #5: Charming. So you claim the thousands of missiles that rained upon Israel [extending not only
to Tel Aviv, but also to Jerusalem+ were ineffective in killing enough Jews, despite their having spread
terrorism among the civilian population; Jewish life is so cheap in your mind that being traumatized over
the years [and having to reside in bomb-shelters] really was an insufficient inconvenience to suit your
tastes, eh?
Then, grudgingly, you admit Hamas shouldnt use human shields, but then quickly add what you
mistakenly perceive as a neutralizing counterclaim [lest you subject yourself to the charge that you
relented in any shape or form+ thusly: However, Israel shouldnt blame the deaths all the non-shield
humans that Israel indiscriminately kills on Hamas.
Defect #6: Find a quote where this posture was ever struck by the IDF, as it resolutely acted to defend its
citizenry [channeling its name].
Finally, you lapse into the classic defense used episodically by the Arabs [in-between triumphant claims]:
Israels response to missiles and tunnels was overkill and not justified, due to its disproportionate
nature. Israel had a right to respond, but their response was wrong.
Defect #7: Who the HECK are you to reach that determination, when you [functioning in your familiar
"Ugly American" capacity] reside comfortably in PA [which, thus far, has been relatively free of
terrorism]?
Your posting was a Shanda, and the second question posed to Josh by a thinking-reporter [after he is
asked to disclaim BHO's Iranian-Nuke behavior] should be whether he concurs with anything an
individual such as yourself [running-interference for him, here, on PoliticsPA] has posted.
*
DDs ignorance cannot be blamed on lack of knowledge, for he has faithfully typed the vile that spews
forth from Arabs who would continue to deny Israels right to live, corrupting the David and Goliath
roles in the process; look @ a map, DD.
Rather, DDs exposure to the label anti-Semite links him to BHOs *for the ADL's definition he
employed includes adopting a political posture that would demonstrably yield deaths of groups of
Jews"].
Some would claim that having tracked him across numerous pages of PoliticsPA [albeit having ignored
following-up on numerous C-R-A-P he has posted] constituted a monumental waste-of-time; to the
contrary, having assisted him to have exposed his prejudices has served to protect PoliticsPa readers,
for he will continue to be stalked [and this page will be cited regularly in the process], lest anyone
consider him to serve as a credible evaluator of the passing-scene.
Anyone who appears to believe you will be reminded that you have 0 credibility.
I really cannot feel sorry for you, nor can I cover-up your ignorance; after having evaded the central
query, you finally [partially] confronted the central-question regarding the Israeli incursion into Gaza:
THEREFORE, rather than cherry-pick one point, deal with the larger issues raised [such as whether you
would justify the ongoing missile attacks from Gaza and the use of human-shields that are
acknowledged by both sides] and recognize the justification Israel had when dealing with the missiles
and tunnels.
You wrote, The attacks from Gaza are completely justified as a response to Israels occupation and
blockades, just as the American revolutionaries fought the injustices of British rule.
Defect #1: The Israelis are not occupying the Gaza Strip; Sharon pulled-out unilaterally almost a
decade ago.
Defect #2: The Israelis have tried to restrict the import of matriel carrying military import; after the
relaxation of such limitations [c/o BHO], the steel used to reinforce the tunnels was permitted to be
imported, yielding a sophisticated network that was to have been employed to invade hundreds of
Southern-Israel communities [including schools], through which innocent Jewish civilians were to be
slaughtered/kidnapped.
Defect #3: Most people would consider the plan to be terroristic, although you would probably
continue to side with the Islamists ["Hamas"], in this case, thereby again affixing upon your breast the
identical label of anti-Semite being sported by BHO *for having aided/abetted this scheme ahead-oftime, forcing BB to relent after the Flotilla incident].
Defect #4: This strategic defensive-move has absolutely no relationship to British policy in Colonial
America; England wasnt imposing restrictions in self-defense and, thus, to attempt to wrap yourself
around the flag of patriotism recalls that infamous phrase that labels that rhetorical-claim to be the
last refuge of the scoundrel.
Retreating, somewhat, you added a disclaimer: However, the attacks are completely misguided
because they are ineffective and dont advance their cause. So, tactically, they arent justified, only their
right to fight their oppressors is.
Defect #5: Charming. So you claim the thousands of missiles that rained upon Israel [extending not only
to Tel Aviv, but also to Jerusalem+ were ineffective in killing enough Jews, despite their having spread
terrorism among the civilian population; Jewish life is so cheap in your mind that being traumatized over
the years [and having to reside in bomb-shelters] really was an insufficient inconvenience to suit your
tastes, eh?
Then, grudgingly, you admit Hamas shouldnt use human shields, but then quickly add what you
mistakenly perceive as a neutralizing counterclaim [lest you subject yourself to the charge that you
relented in any shape or form+ thusly: However, Israel shouldnt blame the deaths all the non-shield
humans that Israel indiscriminately kills on Hamas.
Defect #6: Find a quote where this posture was ever struck by the IDF, as it resolutely acted to defend its
citizenry [channeling its name].
Finally, you lapse into the classic defense used episodically by the Arabs [in-between triumphant claims]:
Israels response to missiles and tunnels was overkill and not justified, due to its disproportionate
nature. Israel had a right to respond, but their response was wrong.
Defect #7: Who the HECK are you to reach that determination, when you [functioning in your familiar
"Ugly American" capacity] reside comfortably in PA [which, thus far, has been relatively free of
terrorism]?
Your posting was a Shanda, and the second question posed to Josh by a thinking-reporter [after he is
asked to disclaim BHO's Iranian-Nuke behavior] should be whether he concurs with anything an
individual such as yourself [running-interference for him, here, on PoliticsPA] has posted.
*
DDs ignorance cannot be blamed on lack of knowledge, for he has faithfully typed the vile that spews
forth from Arabs who would continue to deny Israels right to live, corrupting the David and Goliath
roles in the process; look @ a map, DD.
Rather, DDs exposure to the label anti-Semite links him to BHOs *for the ADL's definition he
employed includes adopting a political posture that would demonstrably yield "deaths of groups of
Jews"].
Some would claim that having tracked him across numerous pages of PoliticsPA [albeit having ignored
following-up on numerous C-R-A-P he has posted] constituted a monumental waste-of-time; to the
contrary, having assisted him to have exposed his prejudices has served to protect PoliticsPa readers,
for he will continue to be stalked [and this page will be cited regularly in the process], lest anyone
consider him to serve as a credible evaluator of the passing-scene.
Youre the guy who *unjustifiably+ complained that I didnt scrutinize the hyperlinks I had cited; you are
guilty of this behavior for the UN still considers Gaza occupied even though Hamas admits its not,
given that Israel hasnt been there since 2005.
blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/01/27/un-we-still-consider-gaza-occupied-by-israel/
In fact, the comments illustrate the convoluted lingo that led to the UNs having reached this conclusion;
further, the UNs anti-Israel bias has been a pattern that has led to retractions, even by their authors [re:
Goldstone Report].
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reconsidering-the-goldstone-report-on-israel-and-warcrimes/2011/04/01/AFg111JC_story.html
I have no problem with Israels having exerted its right to control movement across its borders in the
face of terrorism [and one wishes BHO would uphold his constitutional responsibility in like-fashion]; per
your citation [which, although it arises from a leftie-source, I do not reject out-of-hand as you do when
the word "Breitbart" is either mentioned or conjured in your mind], Israel reacted to what this surgeon
had said and, thus, probably felt he would enhance the danger facing Israel from Gaza were he to go
there and there is no reason why he couldnt enter Gaza via Egypt *unless, of course, he wanted to
provoke Israel into doing something that could be politicized against Israel, eh?].
One resource contains a disinterested summary of these issues noting, for example, how the UNRWA
violated *for "operational" purposes+ the UNs definition of a Refugee; perhaps you may wish to apply
your critical thinking-skills, for a change, instead of adhering to polemics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
The bottom-line point is that Israels policy towards Gaza does not meet the definition of Military
occupation, for Israel intuitively is not able to exert effective provisional control of a certain ruling
power over a territory which is not under the formal sovereignty of that entity, without the volition of
the actual sovereign; you cannot assert otherwise [even invoking the "twisted" section of your mind]
for, otherwise, you would have to account for the ascendancy of Hamas and other Islamists [and it's
counter-intuitive that Israel would control a region from which thousands of missiles would have been
launched against Israel's population centers].
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation
THEREFORE, Defect #1 remains operational, and you have yet to tackle the others; THEREFORE, your
disingenuousness remains exposed.
Defect #5: Charming. So you claim the thousands of missiles that rained upon Israel [extending not only
to Tel Aviv, but also to Jerusalem+ were ineffective in killing enough Jews, despite their having spread
terrorism among the civilian population; Jewish life is so cheap in your mind that being traumatized over
the years [and having to reside in bomb-shelters] really was an insufficient inconvenience to suit your
tastes, eh?
Then, grudgingly, you admit Hamas shouldnt use human shields, but then quickly add what you
mistakenly perceive as a neutralizing counterclaim [lest you subject yourself to the charge that you
relented in any shape or form+ thusly: However, Israel shouldnt blame the deaths all the non-shield
humans that Israel indiscriminately kills on Hamas.
Defect #6: Find a quote where this posture was ever struck by the IDF, as it resolutely acted to defend its
citizenry [channeling its name].
Finally, you lapse into the classic defense used episodically by the Arabs [in-between triumphant claims]:
Israels response to missiles and tunnels was overkill and not justified, due to its disproportionate
nature. Israel had a right to respond, but their response was wrong.
Defect #7: Who the HECK are you to reach that determination, when you [functioning in your familiar
"Ugly American" capacity] reside comfortably in PA [which, thus far, has been relatively free of
terrorism]?
@ The Reader:
DD has admitted he condones terrorism against Israeli Jews: The Hamas rockets are the result of
Israels policies.
One would hope that all Dems who are public figures and/or who advocate for the Dem-Party would
repudiate his oeuvre [here and elsewhere].
http://www.politicspa.com/anthony-williams-to-run-for-mayor-of-philly/61826/comment-page1/#comment-922710
Before you hear Josh rebuke you [and debunk your paradigm of the Middle East], you may wish to
watch the following brief [spoon-fed] video on the history of the Middle East conflict; you will then
appreciate why you generate so many Defects in your postings *now, including the phrase, "Im fine
with the existence of a the state of Israel as a Jewish homeland, but not at the expense of the
Palestinians prevented from having their own state."].
viral.buzz/muslim-conflict-video-all-you-need-to-know-in-5-minutes/
In the process, you will be reminded of the overarching legality of the 48 Partition, which Arabs have
consistently opposed [militarily, diplomatically, etc.] thereafter; you will also be reminded of the pre-67
posture that existed among those you condone [opposing Israel's existence before the defensive war
that yielded expanded Israeli control], when your two-state solution existed [but didn't satisfy the Arabs'
desire to wipe-Israel-off-of-the-map].
Excerpts from the Hamas Covenant might prove enlightening:
Article Seventeen:
[After praising Muslim women, notwithstanding the enslavement thereof by Islamists
worldwide+.*Y+ou find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns,
films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist
organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups
and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs. These organizations have
ample resources that enable them to play their role in societies for the purpose of achieving the Zionist
targets and to deepen the concepts that would serve the enemy. These organizations operate in the
absence of Islam and its estrangement among its people. The Islamic peoples should perform their role
in confronting the conspiracies of these saboteurs. The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of
life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.
Article Twenty-Two:
[After having claimed Jews "were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of
the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there+.With their money they formed secret
societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the
purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to
control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to
exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
Article Twenty-Eight:
The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil
and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on
the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other
sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and
according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting
consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in
all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.
avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
You are lying *note double entendre+ with this organization and, thus, you have fleas.
RobertMore than half of Gazans are under 25 years old, and most of the other major players are new, as well
as changes in the mid-East, and an overall fatigue with the status quo.
So, the past is not relevant as a claim that peace cant be achieved (except to people like you who are
the enemies of peace and look for any excuse to avoid it).
I dont care if Hamas drops its Covenant as they will be marginalized to the point of no power in a
peaceful two-state solution. Stopping the process over their ravings is like countries not signing treaties
with us because we allow the KKK to have marches. Hamas will become the new Palestines KKK, hateful
but toothless.
Who the f*ck cares what their opinion is of King David? You deny global warming and basic science.
I deny the existence of God, and consider the Bible to be a work of fiction laced with a few historical
characters and distorted take on events.
Hamas has no useful purpose in a two-state solution, without occupations, settlement expansion,
blockades, etc. to rally their support.
5) Of course they are all delusional in their believe of the supernatural. Im sensitive to their right to
self-delusion, but Im not going to pick sides based on preferring one delusion to another.
I dont despise the Judeo-Christian ethic. I just dont agree with the basis that it comes from a deity
(particularly one that designates eating shellfish as a sin, or cares if you mix meat and milk).
6) The Toomey campaign is probably a lot more interested in your cash than your advice.
7) Your theme is insanity to claim Obama is anti-Semitic. The silence is likely an attempt to avoid
wasting time on your delusions.