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SIX REMEDIES FOR FLU

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For managing flu and flu-like illnesses, the core issue in the
matter of nutrient and herbal therapies is not the paucity of therapies
that have stood the test of time. Such infections have been known to
humans for eon. Nor is the issue that most of those therapies have not
been investigated and validated with modern scientific methods.
Rather, the core issue here is that the New Empire needs to suppress
those therapies so that its higher goal of fabulous wealth through its
drug industry is not threatened. For that purpose, it has employed the
useful idiots of its Imperial Medicine, very skillfully, to suppress
those natural therapies. In that climate, it is hard for physicians to
find a philosophical perspective with which they can approach the
control of flu and flu-like illnesses with the use of integrative
therapies that have been found effective by long empirical
experience.
In chapter 3 entitled "Three Flu Furies," I marshall a large
body of clinical, microscopic, and biochemical evidence for my view
that flu viruses cause illness and take lives using three weapons:
1.
2.
3.

Oxidosis (too much oxidative stress);

Acidosis (too much acidity); and
Dysoxygenosis (the dysox state, dysfunctional oxygen
metabolism) .

In this chapter, I have chosen six natural remedies that my

colleagues at the Institute and I have found to be superior in clinical
effectiveness to many others for managing flu and flu-like illnesses.
All of those therapies, directly and/or indirectly, reduce oxidative and
acidotic stress as well as restore oxygen homeostasis. For presenting
clinically useful information about those therapies in the context of
the three flu furies, I begin by defining some terms.

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PHYTOFACTOR THERAPIES

I use the term oxystatic phytofactors to collectively refer to all

plant-derived substancesconcoctions, extracts, or teas of roots,
bark, leaves, and flowers of plants that have empiricallyestablished biologic characteristics that support oxygen homeostasis.

OXYSTATIC THERAPIES

I use the term oxystatic nutrients to refer to all such therapies

that are directly or indirectly involved in oxygen homeostasis. As
discussed in the earlier chapters, the focus on oxygen homeostasis
forces us to think and reach beyond the prevailing notions of
prescribing mononutrient or monophytofactor therapies to treat viral
disease. On December 5, 2005, I devoted a one-hour radio program
entitled "Science, Health, and Healing" (heard on-line
[www.WBAI.org] on Mondays and Tuesday at noon) to the subject
of flu and flu-like illnesses. In that program I focused on the six
therapies I chose for this chapter. That day I received an e-mail from
a listener who protested that all those therapies were immuneenhancing, rather than antiviral. Reading that e-note, I realized how
widespread the confusion is about what is 'antiviral' and what is
'immune-enhancing.' Actually, all therapies that are immune
enhancing can be considered antiviral. That further underscored for
the importance of 'molecular-energetic' (the molecular pathways by
which cells gain energy) thinking in clinical medicine, and especially
in the management of infectious disorders. This in my view is
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us with a sound scientific and logical model of holistic care of the

sick and the healthy.

THE SUN-SOIL MODEL OF HEALING

The oxygen homeostasis model of health/dis-ease/disease

model led me to the simple the "sun-soil concept of healing." In that
simple model, the sun represents the healing energy of the Presence
(the spirit) that surrounds us at all times and the soil represents the
trio of the bowel, blood, and liver ecosystem. Healing in acute and
chronic illnesses, then, can be seen as occurring through the medium
of oxygen sustained by luminous sunlight and nurturing soil. That
simplicity holds whether I manage a case of breast cancer or of heart
disease, of disabling chronic herpes infection or flu and flu-like
illnesses. The clinical applications of that model need to be
individualized for each patient but the essential sun-soil holism
remains constant.
The crucial importance of the sun-and-soil model in managing
flu and flu-like illnesses, is this: The model underscores the
importance of holistic thinking and mandates that all relevant issues
be addressed for a given patient. In the first chapter of this book, I
addressed the problems with the terms 'flu death' and 'flu mortality'
rates in the populations affected by flu viruses. Very few persons can
be expected to die from flu viral infections when oxygen
homeostasis is preserved and the immune system is strong. People
who succumb to flu infections perish because of the three furies of
oxidosis, acidosis, and dysoxygenosis which create and fan the dysox
state (dysfunctional oxygen metabolism). It is crucially important to

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recognize that the intensity of the dysox state in persons with flu and
flu-like illnesses represents the sum total of all toxic elements
affecting that person at that time. Thus, in a patient with flu or flulike illness:

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Every co-existing viral load herpes, Epstein-Barr virus,

and others matters;
Every co-existing bacterial infection matters;
Every co-existing yeast overload matters;
Every co-existing parasitic infestation matters;
Every co-existing functional nutritional deficiency matters;
Every co-existing toxic metal burden matters;
Every moment of anger, hostility, and the sense of being a
victim matters;

Without the sun-soil model of understanding how the

influenza viruses cause illness and death, we revert back to onedisease/one-diagnosis/one-drug thinking. The ownership of disease
persists, both for the patient and the practitioner. Again, I write for
emphasis that my suggestions/guidelines for managing flu and flulike illness in this and the next chapter should be viewed within the
larger context of the sun-soil model of managing viral infections.

BIOLOGIC UNIQUENESS

Each person is a unique person. Each person responds to

different therapies in a different way. The suggestions made in this
and the next chapter have been safe in my clinical experience. Still,
I urge the readers to test these suggestions, beginning with one-fourth
or less of the dose and gradually increasing the amount until the full

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suggested dose is achieved. Needless to point out, such

individualized testing should be done prior to developing flu or flulike illnesses so that one can have a sense of one's own tolerance with
regards to the individual items to be included in one's program at the
time of the viral infections.
Clinical medicine is an artful application of a large number of
biological facts to the care of a sick individual. The art of medicine
cannot simply be learned from books. It requires years of toil,
learning the basic facts of anatomy, physiology, pathology, and
therapeutics. It requires attentive listening to the patient and
acquiring the ability to separate the core issues in each case from the
clutter surrounding that case. Finally, it requires the courage to be
faithful to one's clinical observations. If considering to be one's own
physician in e managing common viral infections, it would be well
served to take note these statements. However, safety first, none of
my suggestions should be considered as a substitute for a full clinical
evaluation by a practitioner.
The following are the six natural remedies that I offer as
suggestions to be considered in the case of flu and flu-like illnesses.
In the next chapter I present oxystatic therapies of my choice. My
choices are based on extensive personal experience with these
therapies, as well as on the feedback I have received about their
effectiveness from my colleagues at the Institute, Capital University
of Integrative Medicine, and the American Academy of
Environmental Medicine.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

Echinacea, astragalus, burdock root/goldenseal protocol

Tumeric/ garlic/ginger
Cod liver oil
Zinc (preferably in lozenge form)
Probiotics
Vitamin C

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In this chapter, I also furnish information about other

therapies
cayenne-ginger vapor treatment, lemon-maple fluid fasts,
alkalinizing protocols, oregano oil, and others which my
colleagues and I prescribe for acute and chronic viral infections.
These suggestions may also be considered by the reader within the
larger context of the sun-soil model of managing viral infections.

THE ECHINACEA COMBINATION

The echinacea combination, shown in Table, 1 has proven to

be of the most clinical benefit in controlling acute and chronic viral
infections. The individual ingredients of the protocol given in the
table can be purchased separately and then taken together in the
recommended doses.
Table 1. The Components of the Echinacea Protocol
Echinacea

200 mg

Goldenseal root

150 mg

Astragalus root

150 mg

Burdock root

150 mg

The botanist, James A. Duke, is one person in the field of

phytofactor remedies that I admire most. I include below a quote
from his book The Green Pharmacy (page 134. Rodale Press, Emmaus,
Pa):

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"I have followed the advice you gave me about Echinacea

when we met at the New York Botanical Garden at Auntie
Yuan's restaurant in Manhattan." My advice was to take
Echinacea at the first sign of sniffles, and Barash says she
hasn't had a single cold since she started following that
advice."

TURMERIC/GARLIC/GINGER
Turmeric is probably the single most commonly used remedy
for flu and flu-like illnesses in the Punjab province of Pakistan where
I grew up. The mothers there used to and hopefully fathers now
have begun to mix half a teaspoon of turmeric powder in a cup of
milk and ask the children to drink it twice or three times a day. I now
recommend organic vegetable or grape fruit juice instead of milk for
mixing with turmeric powder.
Garlic can be taken raw or cooked. The dose is a matter of
personal choice. I have not yet seen a patient who developed garlic
toxicity due to overdosage.
Ginger can also be taken raw or cooked. Ginger water
prepared by boiling a gallon of water with one inch long piece of
ginger (chopped) is the best and the cheapest drinking water. When
pouring this water into glass containers for refrigeration, the bottom
one inch layer of boiled water should be discarded, since this is the
water in which ginger compounds (alkaloids) precipitate
environmental pollutants in water.
Old-fashioned chicken soup prepared with ginger and garlic
is an excellent alternative way to combine these remedies. The salt in
the soup usually increases the desire for fluids and that improves the
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COD LIVER OIL OR SUSPENSION

In the Pakistan of my boyhood, mothers often gave their
children cod live oil during winter, both for the prevention of
common colds as well for fighting viral infections. I commonly elicit
knowing smiles when I prescribe cod liver oil for patients. They
remember receiving the same from their mothers, both in the United
States and Europe. For centuries, people in most countries have used
it for its empirical benefits.
Cod liver oil has a high content of Vitamins D and A, as well
as omega-3 oils. All those elements play crucial roles at many levels
in the working of the immune system. However, high concentrations
of those elements due to prolonged use of a high dosage of cod liver
oil can cause a unhealthy build-up in the liver in turn, stressing the
organ.
Dosage Schedule
I recommend a daily dose of one teaspoon of cod liver oil on
alternate weeks during the winter months to reduce the possibility of
contracting flu and flu-like illnesses. On a short-term basis (up to a
month) , the oil may safely be taken in larger doses of four teaspoons
daily.

ZINC

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decades. Such lozenges can be safely taken every three hours for
episodes of sore throat for periods of up to five days.
In general, I prescribe zinc in daily doses of 25 to 50 mg
along with other mineral supplements, including copper in doses of
2 to 5 mg.

PROBIOTICS

The term probiotics refers to microbial species that normally

reside in the human gut. They help control overgrowth of harmful
microbes, such as yeast, mycoplasma, and others. The best known
example of a probiotic, which has been used universally since the
dawn of agriculture, is yogurt. I liberally prescribe goat yogurt as a
part of an integrative program for managing flu and flu-like illnesses.
Most cow milk-intolerant individuals can tolerate plain cow milk
yogurt.
There are a large number of brand name probiotic
formulations
composed
of
Lactobacillus
acidophillus,
Bifidobacterium bulgaricus, and Streptococcus feceum. I am not able
to recommend any brand name and suggest an appropriate dose. I
have often heard claims of this or that number of billions of viable
microbes contained in various brand names. Those claims are not
substantiated by any true-real-testing. I suggest the readers seek
advice about it from their practitioners. The other alternative is to ask
the local health food store about the brand she/he has most
experience with.

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VITAMIN C
Vitamin C is an excellent water soluble antioxidant with
literally no toxicity with the usual recommended doses. The clinical
benefits in flu and flu-like illnesses have been recognized by all
practitioners who use it. I recommend Vitamin C in oral doses of one
to two grams every two hours during the day at the onset of a viral
infection. It is extremely uncommon for my patients to report any
adverse effects except loose bowel movements, which is a very small
price to pay for markedly reducing the total bowel load of common
cold and influenza viruses. Vitamin C has also been recommended
'to tolerance,' meaning as much as necessary to induce watery
diarrhea. I have not seen any real advantage of doing that.
My colleagues at the Institute regularly administer Vitamin C
intravenously in doses of 15 to 25 grams and observe good clinical
results. To date, we have not encountered any long-term negative
effects of such therapy. I refer readers interested in an in-depth
discussion of the clinical uses of vitamin C to my book Integrative
Nutritional Medicine, the fifth volume of The Principles and Practice
of Integrative Medicine.

ALKALIZING PROTOCOLS

Flu viruses thrive in acidic environments. The human immune

system does not work well in an acidic environment. For those
reasons, it is critical that the issue of acidity be effectively addressed.
I consider optimal hydration as the single most important
measurement for reducing the total body burden of acids. The
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Table 2. The 3-C Alkalizer Protocol In Use At the Institute

Substance

Amount

Calcium citrate

500 mg

Magnesium oxide

500 mg

Chlorophyll

500 mg

Table 3. The Alkali Protocol In Use At the Institute

Substance

Amount

Cilantro

500 mg

Chlorella

500 mg

Chlorophyll

500 mg

Citrate has been widely recommended to neutralize excess

acidity. It may also be taken as Alka- Seltzer Gold in doses of three
to four tablets daily. Chlorella, chlorophyll and cilantro are other
acid-fighting remedies and may be used for flu and flu-like illness in
doses of up to one to two grams daily.

THE LEMP FLUID DETOX

The following is the instruction sheet that my colleagues at

the Institute and I use for a general purpose of a liver/kidney, bowel
detox procedure. The abbreviation LEMP stands for lemon and maple

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syrup. Epsom salt and cayenne pepper are added to assure a bowel
flush. This is a modification for a liver/bowel flush that has been used
for centuries throughout different cultures.
Please read this direction sheet twice. The procedure is simple
and when done correctly (in a prayerful / meditative state) should not
cause any discomfort. The procedure can be discontinued without any
concerns if weakness or other symptoms develop. All prescription
medications should be continued but we ask that you consult with
your physician first. Medications that need to be taken with food can
be taken with a glass of water at the usual times. It is recommended
that the nutrient and herbal supplements be reduced by 50% during
the first day the fast is done.
The LEMP detox is initially prescribed for just one day at a
time. Longer fasts can be done but only if the one-day fast is tolerated
well. The amount of Epsom salt taken as a saline laxative should also
depend upon tolerance, beginning with one tablespoon. The
following is the two-part recommended protocol. Two to three quarts
of additional water should be taken during the day. If hunger
develops and becomes uncomfortable, a grapefruit may be eaten. A
light vegetarian meal is suggested for the evening if hypoglycemic
symptoms occur. Supplement program should be continued to the
tolerance (begin with 50% of the dose and build up to the full
recommended doses.
Part A: Begin in the morning and continue through the day

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Two tablespoons of fresh lemon juice

Two tablespoons of maple syrup (grade B)
One-half teaspoon of cayenne powder (except in cases of
gastritis and stomach ulcers)
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Drink in small portions throughout the day, at your comfort

level. May begin with a second 24-ounces of the above.

Part B: Morning or mid-morning saline laxative

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Begin with one teaspoon of Epsom salt with three ounces of

water. Slowly build to one tablespoons if found necessary for
complete bowel evacuation.
Repeat after one hour (One tablespoon Epsom salt with three
ounces of water), if no bowel movement occurs.
Repeat after one hour, if necessary.

Hypoglycemia Control:
Persons with history of hypoglycemia should use the
following Modified LEMP protocol
Step # 1:
Step # 2:

As above
Add protein drink+lecithin+flaxseed. Four ounces
twice daily. If hypoglycemic symptoms are not
controlled

Step # 3:

Eat a vegetarian meal in the evening, if symptoms

persist.

LIVER PACK WITH CASTOR OIL

Two natural therapies that have stood the test of time for liver
detoxification are liver castor oil pack and liver flush protocols. As
for other specific therapies I include in this volume, I recommend that
both liver pack and flush should be undertaken under professional

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supervision first. I myself prescribe castor oil liver packs to facilitate

liver detox and reduce liver congestion as a part of our basic bowelblood-liver detox program in most patients with chronic ailments.
Steps for the Castor Oil Liver Pack
1.
Gently massage the entire liver area (upper abdomen and
lower chest on the right side) along with the front of the lower
abdomen with your left hand for two to four minutes.
2.
Prepare a piece of flannel or cotton cloth large enough to
cover the liver and abdomen areas when folded twice.
3.
Fold flannel or cotton piece and soak it with castor oil
(available from most pharmacies).
4.
Cover the liver and abdominal areas with the soaked flannel
or cotton piece and cover the cloth with a plastic sheet (an
opened plastic bag is adequate). Use tape to anchor the plastic
sheet.
5.
Put a heating pad over as much of the area as possible
covered by the pack, favoring the area of the liver. The
heating pad must not be hot.
6.
Leave the castor oil soak for two hours, unless otherwise
specified by your physician.
7.
Gently wash off the castor oil with a mild soap after finishing
the protocol.
Steps for One-Day Liver Flush
1.
Drink 5 to 8 (or more if tolerated) glasses of organic apple
cider or juice throughout the day. Persons with hypoglycemia
or glucose intolerance may substitute organic vegetable juice
for apple juice.
2.
Drink additional water to maintain a state of overhydration
from morning till 6 PM.
3.
Take a vegetarian lunch at noon.
4
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supplements.
5.
Three hours after lunch, take two teaspoons of disodium
phosphate (or Epsom salt, if disodium phosphate is not
available) dissolved in two ounces of hot water. Drink one
cup of hot water with a few drops of lemon juice and a pinch
of salt to eliminate bad taste from mouth.
6.
Two hours later, repeat the above step (# 5).
7.
Take an evening meal of grapefruit. (Grapefruit juice may be
substituted if the whole fruit is not available. Fresh juice is
preferred to canned juice.)
8.
At bedtime, drink one cup of an equal-parts mixture of extravirgin olive oil and lemon juice (1/2 cup of each). Again,
fresh juice is preferred.
9.
Lie in bed on your right side with knees pulled up for about
30 minutes.
10.
Additional vegetarian meals may be taken if needed.
11.
Be prepared to experience nausea, some abdominal cramps,
and diarrhea during or after taking lemon juice and olive oil.
You may need a Tigan suppository if nausea persists
(prescription required from your physician).
Steps for Two-Day Liver Flush
1.
Drink 5 to 8 (or more if tolerated) glasses of organic apple
cider/juice or vegetable juice daily for two days.
2.
Three hours after a vegetarian lunch on the second day, take
2 teaspoons of disodium phosphate dissolved in two ounces
of hot water. Drink one cup of hot water with a few drops of
lemon juice and a pinch of salt to eliminate bad taste from the
mouth.
3.
Continue with additional steps as for the one-day protocol
(steps # 6 to 9).

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HYDRATION IN FLU AND FLU-LIKE ILLNESSES

In the Chapter 3 entitled "Three Flu Furies," I explained the

three primary mechanisms by which flu viruses cause illness and
death: too much acidity (acidosis), too much oxidative stress
(oxidosis), and dysfunctional oxygen metabolism (dysoxygenosis).
The most efficient way to diminish the increased body burden of
acids is ootimal hydration. The most efficient way to reduce the
increased oxidative burden of acids is ootimal hydration. The most
useful approach to prevent flu or severe illness caused by flu is
restore oxygen homeostasis through optimal hydration. I recommend
three to five quarts of fluids for persons weighing from 110 to 180
pounds respectively. Water, herbal teas, and soups are acceptable
fluids to improve hydration. Coffee and alcoholic beverages are not.

CONTROL OF CONSTIPATION

A healthy bowel empties itself two to three times effortlessly.

By this definition, a majority of my patients at the time of initial visit
are constiopated. Restoring the strength of the bowel is always one
of my top clinical priorities. In all infections disorders, this becomes
even an urgent problem. On a short-term basis, I would use anything
or everything that works. The following are my preferences: (1)
optimal hydration; (2) Organic vegetable juice, 10 to 12 ounces
magnesium sulfate, 1,000 to 2,000 mg; (3) psyllium, up to 3
teaspoons; (4) yogurt, goat or cow milk;

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C.

Other options that can be added

C.1

Miralax

C.2
C.3
C.4
C.5

Coffee or Fleet's enema

Triphala
Slippery elm
Turkey Rhubarb
Perfect Food

Two to three teaspoons

at bedtime
When necessary
Two to three caps
Two to three caps
Two to three caps
One to two tablespoons

# Bowel protocol 11 may be used in rotation with bowel 7

* Psyllium taken from Pakistani/Indian stores generally work better
than that from drug stores
**Spring or other suitable water
***Hot liquid may be warm water with a few drops of lemon juice,
green tea, black tea, or coffee
****Rebounding exercise is necessary so that the fluid simply does
not sit in the stomach and make you uncomfortable.

PROCEDURE FOR DRY SAUNA

Sauna is desirable for managing viral infections, unless associated

with fever. It can be used daily until flu symptoms clear up. The following
are some guidelines we give to our patients.
Creating a Sauna in the Bathroom
Use an ordinary heater to heat the bathroom with closed door
Start with 100 degrees centigrade
Build to 108 degrees

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Use a pool thermometer for measuring room temperature

Call in an electrician if you need an extra line for a second
heater
Desired time period
Start with 10 minutes
Build to 30 minutes, with increments of 5 minutes
Seating
Folding all wood chair
Fold a towel to make a seat
Liver pack
Strongly encouraged during sauna therapy, begin with 15
minutes, build to 30 minutes in increments of five minutes
Water
Two quarts, organic vegetable juice permissible
Shower
Optional after sauna treatment

Protocols for Viral Infection

Bowel 1

3 capsules (3x)/day

Bowel 6

2 tablets (3x)/day

Throat Protocol

3 drops sublingual (3x)/day

Vitamin C

2gm (2000mg) (3x)/day

HP7 (Sinus Remedy)

by Metagenics

15 drops (3x)/day

Cayenne Ginger Vapor

2 times daily for 5-7 minutes

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Hydrogen Peroxide Soaks DAILY for 15-20 minutes

Liver Pack

Once daily

Fluids

4 quarts daily with 1 tsp. sea salt (omit

salt if hypertensive)

IV Therapy

Hydrogen peroxide II with additional

5gm Vitamin C (2x)/week

OR
IM Therapy

IM-6
(calcium,magnesium,B12)
(2x)/week

CAYENNE/GINGER VAPOR PROTOCOL

The symptoms of nasal and head congestion, with or without

fever, are very common in flu and flu-like illnesses. The following
vapor treatment is usually quite helpful, and may be included in the
treatment.
1.

2.

3.

Boil two quarts of water with one half teaspoon of cayenne

(red chili powder) and a one inch long piece of ginger root
(chopped).
Transfer boiling water to a plastic heat safe basin. Place the
basin close to the bath tub (or any other suitable and safe
area).
Sit on a stool/chair about a half foot away from the basin and
lean face over to gently inhale the a small amount of vapor,
be careful not to breathe too deeply.

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4.
5

6.

After a few moments, move closer to the basin and inhale a

little more vapor.
Once you have become comfortable with the vapor, cover
your head and pot, face downward, with a large towel to
keep the vapor in and inhale, first gently then deeply.
Remove the towel if the vapor is too strong. Otherwise
continue to inhale for 5-7 minutes.

ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS FOR VIRAL INFECTION

The following are some additional therapies that my

colleagues and I have found useful for common cold and upper
respiratory viral infections, with or without antibiotics to control
secondary bacterial infections which inevitably develop when the
body is not able to control infections within five to seven days.
Protocol 1: To be used in weekly rotation throughout 1-2 months
Turmeric (week 1):
Oregano (week 2):
Bowel #6 (week 3):

one capsule or 1/3 tsp -- three times

daily
one capsule -- three times daily
two tablets -- three times daily

Protocol 2--To be used in weekly rotation throughout the month

Colloidal Silver (week 1) -- one teaspoon twice daily
Olive leaf extract (week 2) -- one capsule three times daily

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CONCLUDING COMMENTS

Concluding Comments
Consider the following quote from James A. Duke's CRC
Handbook of Medicinal Herbs (CRC Press. Boca Raton, Florida):

Each plant species is biochemically different

from each, and embraces a wide array of intraspecific
biochemical variation. All of these species contain
toxic compounds, and all contain vitamins. I dare
speculate that all contain compounds that will cause
tumors in vitro and in vivo and all contain compounds
that will arrest tumors in vitro and in vivo (shikimic
acid and beta-sitosterol, e.g., may be ubiquitous or
nearly so in higher plants. I further dare speculate that
all contain compounds which will raise or lower
blood pressure, the body temperature, etc. (if we
analyze large quantities of all chemicals that are
present in minute quantities in plant species.x

I might add here that I whole-heartedly recommend Duke's

book to all those interested in natural healing methods, as well as
potential toxicities of commonly prescribed herbs.