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InordertoswitchsomefloodlightsbymyArduino,thesmallswitchcircuitsIbuilt
arounda39mf22(http://www.instructables.com/id/Buildingafourchannel
SolidStateRelay/)werejustnotmanenoughtohandlethecurrentneeded,soI
decidedtobuildaswitchwithdiscretecomponentsaroundaTRIAC.
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Nowthesecircuitsareveryeasyandcomeadimeadozenontheinternet:just
googleforTIC206orMOC3041andyouhavelotsofchoice.ThereasonImake
aninstructableforsuchasimplecircuitistoalsoprovideaprintdesignforthose
peopletolazyorunabletomakeadesignthemselves:)
Butletmestartwithadisclaimer/warning:
Thiscircuitisconnectedtoamainsvoltagethatcankillyou.Ifyoudonot
knowwhatyouaredoingthendonotbuildthiscircuit..Donottouchit
whenitisconnectedtothemains.ThemetalplateoftheTriacis
connectedtoit'sTerminal2andthustothemainsvoltage.Wheninuse,
donottouchthatplatetofeelhowwarmitgets.

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Putthiscircuitinapropercontainer.
MaterialsList
TriacTIC206(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=673)1.20
MOC3041(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=2087)0.65
DIL6ICfoot(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=4061)0.15
LED(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=326)0.15
Resistor220Ohm1/4Watt(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=4503)0.10
Resistor470Ohm1/4Watt(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=4527)0.10
Connector(http://www.dickbest.nl/index.php?
_a=viewProd&productId=593)0.20
PieceofscrapPCB23x43mm
Thatisatotalof2.55
ThelinksarejusttheretoillustratewhatImeanandtogiveapriceindication.I
havenolinkstothatwebshopotherthanthatiuseitandamsatisfiedwithit.
ItisalsopossibletousetheconsiderablycheaperBT136600,thatlikethe
TIC206candeliver4Amps,butit'sgatecurrentisahefty3570mAascompared
totheTIC206's5mA.IfaBT136isused,the470Ohmresistormayneedtobea
bitsmaller(150Ohm).TheBTA16600isalsoagoodchoice
additionallyyoumayneed:
capacitor10100nF400V
resistor39100Ohm
resistor330Ohm
ThePCBishere(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52513692/ssr
206_etch_copper_bottom.pdf).
andmirorredhere(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52513692/ssr
206_etch_copper_bottom_mirror.pdf).
Thecircuit
ThemaincomponentsinthiscircuitaretheMOC3041optocouplerandthe
TIC206TRIAC(MorDversion).IhavechosenforaMOC3041becauseithasa
zerocrossovercircuitinthechip,ensuringsmoothswitching.TheTIC206is
atriacthathasarelativelysensitivegate.
TheoutputfromanArduinoorotheruPisledtotheMOC3041viaa22oOhm
resistorandanLED.Thiswayonecanseeforsureifthereiscurrentflowing
throughtheoptocoupler.
Thegateofthethyristorisfedfroma470Ohmresistorthatconnectsthrough
theMOC3041optocoupler
Ontheprintedcircuitboardthereisroomfora330Ohmresistor(labelledwitha
'*').IfoneusestheTIC206TRiacthisresistorisnotnecessary.Someother
thyristorshowevermayneedthatresistorinordertostart.
AsIamswitchingalamp,Ihavenouseforasnubbercircuit(formedbythe
100RresistorandC1).However,ifyouswitchinductiveloadsyouwillneedone.
Thevaluesoftheresistorandcapacitormayvarydependingonyoursituation
butaproperwaytostartwouldbea100Ohmresistoranda100nFcapacitor.
ThePCBoffersholesatvariousdistances,suitablefordifferentsizesof
capacitors.
ThePCB
DownloadthePCBdesign(s)aboveanduseyourfavoritemethodtoetchyour
PCB.Withregardtothedesign:thepcbpictureinthisibbleisseenfromthe
componentside:Thecoppertracesthusareactuallyseenasifyouarelooking
throughtheboard.Thatiswhythewritingisinreverse.Thisdesignissuitable
foradirecttonertransfer
Ifyouusethemirrorreddesign,thewritingisinfactnotmirrorred.

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Ihaveusedthenonmirrorreddesignforadirecttonertransfer(printingiton
glossypaperandironingitonacopperplate)andthatworkswell.Etchingin
HydrochloricacidandHydroyperoxide.
Connecting
ThereisonlyatwopoleconnectoronthisPCBthatcanbethoughtofasa
switch,interruptingthe'Live'lineofaconnection,justlikearegularswitch.The
figureshowstheproperwaytoconnectitaccordingtoEUcodes:Blueis
neutral,brownisliveblackisswitchedandyellowgreenisearth.OutsidetheEU
therearedifferentcolourcodes.

Wehaveabenicecommentpolicy.
Pleasebepositiveandconstructive.

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mashiurmmr(/member/mashiurmmr/)

3monthsago

Reply(CSVTCEUHYMT023Y)

Hi,
(/member/mashiurmmr/)

Iammakinganotherswitchtocontrolwatervalveofoverheadtankandusing
thiscircuit.IamfacingproblemthatwhenIsupplycurrenttopin1of
MOC3410pin4&6getconnectionbutevenaftercuttingthecurrentsupplyto
pin1theconnectionsofpin4&6remains.Iwantsomethingwhichcutsoff
connectionwhenthesignalisoff.Canyousuggestanysolution.
Mashiur

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) mashiurmmr
Reply(CDUIMRYHYNYM64A)
3monthsago

Mahiurmmr

(/member/diy_bloke/)
Itseemslikeyouhaveexactly

thesameproblemasbefore:
TheMOC3041shouldshutoff
onceyouremovepower.ifit
doesnt,youmighthavea
faultyoneoryrcircuitisnot
correct.
Ifitisjusttoswitchacontrol
valveandyouarehavingso
muchtroublewithtehMOC,
howaboutatransistorwitha
relay?

mashiurmmr(/member/mashiurmmr/)

4monthsago

Reply(C4HDYEMHX8NOTAW)

Hi,
(/member/mashiurmmr/)

ThanksforthecircuitImadeit,usedamobileforinputsignal(ringtone)and
12voltforoperationofarelayhadtouseatriac547toenhancethesignalthe
relayisswitchonbutitremainsswitchedonevenaftercuttingtheinputsignal.
IhaveusedallregistersandthePF(100n)onlyR330registerexcludedandI
usedTric225insteadof206.

Iamusingitwithtimerandmagneticcontracttodriveapump,Isolvedthe
problemofshuttingtherelayofbyusingthemagneticcontractsconnectionto
cutthepower(12v)whenthetimeison.
Ithoughttheload(relay)willswitchoffwheninputsignalisstops.Canyou
advicemewhattochangeinthecircuit.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) mashiurmmr
Reply(CUULRTOHX8HMZO6)
4monthsago

yestheTriacshouldswitchoff
(/member/diy_bloke/)
sosomethingiskeepingiton.

ButfirstIneedsome
clarificationofyoursentence:
"Isolvedtheproblemof
shuttingtherelayofbyusing
themagnetic
contractsconnectiontocutthe
power(12v)whenthetimeis
on."
Whatexactlyareyoucutting
thepowerofffrom??
Also,Iamnotreallysurewhat
itisthatisnotswitchingoff?is
ityourrelayortheTRIAC?
The547btwisatransistor
andnotatriac.
Couldyouperhapssendmea
drawingofyrcircuit?
Ifyouareusingarelay,you
mayaswellusethattoswitch
yrload

mashiurmmr(/member/mashiurmmr/) diy_bloke
Reply(CPBK7WWHXCAPBV9)
4monthsago

Hi,

(/member/mashiurmmr/)

Yes547isatransistor,
actuallyIamahobbyist.
Tryingtomakehome
automation.
Iuseatimerandamagnetic
contacttodriveoverhead
waterpump.Imadethe
connectionssuchawaythat
whenIapplypowerthrougha
pushbuttonswitchtotimer,
timerstartsthemagnetic
contactwhichstartsthepump
andalsoprovidespowerto
timer.Whenthetimeisup
timershutsthemagnetic
contact,thepumpandtimer
bothstops.
Iusedthiscircuittoactivate
theconnectionofpushbutton
switch.Asmobileringer
signalislowusedthe
transistor.Butthetriackeeps
supplyingcurrentevenafter
inputsignalisstopped.
AsIhadidealconnectionsin
themagneticcontactwhichis
connectedwhenthecontact
isoff,Iusedthatconnection
tosupplypower(12v)to
circuit.Soassoonasthe
timerstarts,themagnetic
contactisactivatedand
powertothecircuitiscutoff.

Whenthetimeisupthe
powertothecircuitget
restored.
IthinkIdiditmanually,butI
plantouseaflipflopcircuitin
future.Givemesometipson
thatbutnowIneedtoknow
whythetriackeepsthe
connectionon.Thanksfor
reading.
Mashiur

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diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) mashiurmmr
Reply(C0L4WPGHXC4Q06R)
4monthsago

Mashiur

(/member/diy_bloke/)
Iadmireyourenergyand

drive,butigettheimpression
yourcircuitisneedlessly
complicated.Whynotjustuse
1transistorandonerelayto
switchyourcontact,noneed
fortheTriaccircuit

rmatkar(/member/rmatkar/)madeit!

7monthsago

Reply(CM207N0HUEEN5SC)

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Hi

Ithadalotoffundoingthis.GotaPCBprintedandhavetheabilitytocontrol7
switchesusingthis.Ihaveaddedaxbeemoduletomakeitwireless.
Cheers!!!
Rituparna

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diegolangamer(/member/diegolangamer/) rmatkar
Reply(C3U5MO0HWES2USQ)
5monthsago

HelloRituparna,
(/member/diegolangamer/)

Congratulationsforyourwork.
I'minasimilarprojectandI
havefacedsomeproblems.I
sentyouamessageabout
thisproject.Ifyoucanhelp
me,thankyouverymuch!

rmatkar(/member/rmatkar/) diegolangamer

5monthsago

Reply(CRY9AMQHWES2WGA)

whathaveusentthemsgon?idon'thaveanythinginmy
inbox...rituparna89@gmail
(/member/rmatkar/)

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) rmatkar
Reply(CST182JHUFW6WPB)
7monthsago

looksgreat.Thanksforposting
(/member/diy_bloke/)
it.Alwaysgooddoseewhat

peopledowithibbles.
ImpressibePCB:)

rmatkar(/member/rmatkar/) diy_bloke
7monthsago

thanks

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egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) rmatkar
7monthsago

NiceWork.Looksawesome.

Reply(CSA5JWVHUEEN9UI)

(/member/egrabhishek/)

Regards,

Abhishek.

XenonHK(/member/XenonHK/)

6monthsago

Reply(CPAWUKBHVVHFIJ5)

Hiall,
(/member/XenonHK/)

IhaveusingMOC3043andBT136600(withoutusingsnubbercircuitdueto
systemwillautomaticallytriggered).Whenthecircuitisconnectedtothefanor
digitalclock,itworksfine.Icancontrolitonoroffwithoutanyproblem.
However,wheniconnectthecircuitwithCFL,lightisflashing.Howtosolve
theproblem?
MycircuitisfollowMOC3043datasheetFigure13.HotLineSwitching
ApplicationCircuit(http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MO/MOC3043M.pdf)

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) XenonHK
Reply(CHMZ2N5HVVKFOJZ)
6monthsago

XenonHK

(/member/diy_bloke/)
Youaretouchingona

frequentlyaskedquestion.The
factisthatjustaregularCFL
isn'treallysuitabletobe
dimmedbyatraditionalTRIAC
dimmerasitisnotmerelya
resistiveload,butapieceof
electronicequipment.An
incandescantlampandaCFL
areascomparableasabread
toasterandaTVset:bothuse
electricityandthat'saboutit.
Therearespecificdimmersfor
CFLlampsanddimmableCFL
lamps:Theyusuallyfunction
byfeedingavariablevoltage
(110V)totheCFLcontroller.
Thatmeansthatifyouhave
suchalamp,youcouldmake
ananalogoutcircuitcoming
fromyourarduino,thatyou
feedtothedimmableCFL
lamp.
Thismayhelpyouabit:
https://www.google.nl/search?
client=ubuntu&channel...
(https://www.google.nl/search?

client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=cfl+dimming&ie=utf
8&oe=utf
8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=MfOKU5O7JYKc
waluoDQDg.)
Alsothisarticledescribes
exactlywhatyouare
experiencing:
http://www.nxp.com/documents/application_note/AN10803.pdf

XenonHK(/member/XenonHK/) diy_bloke
6monthsago

Hidiy_bloke,

Reply(CEEKPVXHVWWMHYK)

(/member/XenonHK/)

Thanksalotforyourquick
replyandyourinformation.I
willstudyit.Iwouldliketo
askonequickquestiononmy
circuit.Canthemycircuit
abletohandlingCFLon/off
control,withoutflickering(no
dimmingfunctionisneeded)?
Thanksalot
Bestregards
Xenon

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/)

6monthsago

Reply(CPLGWE4HV64A1UR)

Thanksforallyourhelpguys.
(/member/egrabhishek/)

Icompletedtherequiredcircuitanditworksgreat.Itesteditwithapedestal
fanfor45hoursandnoheatingandthingslikethat.
IswitchedtoBTA16duetoitshighdv/dtvaluesIwasabletoremovethe
issuecreatedduetothetransientsonthepowerlines.
AlsoIdiscoveredthatsnubbercircuittendtoleakaveryminimalamountof
currentwhichwillnotturntheloadonbutcouldgiveanastyshock.Butstillits
OKandsortofnecessarytousethemininductivecircuits,alongwithSafety
Fuseandsafetywarningmentionedappropriately.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) egrabhishek
Reply(C8QHLEFHV64A3PW)
6monthsago

goodtohearthat.Thanksfor
(/member/diy_bloke/)
thefeedback.Ialways

appreciatehearingifpeople
gottheirproblemssolved:)
TheTIC206iskindamy
TRIACofpreferenceandI
haven'thadanyproblemswith
it.
Iguessyoufoundoutabout
thechargeinthesnubber
circuitthehardway?:)
Wehaveallbeenthere,butit
underlinesagainthecareone
shouldtakeworkingwithhigh
voltages.Onewouldnotreally
expecttohaveacapacitor
chargeonAC:).Probably
hassomethingtodowith
phaseshiftingorwhatever,I
amnoACcrack

x0900(/member/x0900/)

(/member/x0900/)

6monthsago

Reply(C9DAJ00HV4DASQW)

Thankyouforthisnicetutorial.IusedBTA16600Canditworkedbutforafew
minutes.Itriedputtingheatsinkbutproblemreturnafterfewminutes.Doyouget
sameproblem?Doyouhavesometipsforme?Please:)

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) x0900
6monthsago

Usuallyproblemslikethisarea
(/member/diy_bloke/)
faultysolderingconnection,a
faultyoptocouplerorafaulty
triac.
Areyouusingitwitha
microcontroller?
Pleasedothefollowing:
Unplugeverything
checkyrconnections
Dontuseyrmicrocontrollerbut
puta5Volttensiononthe
entranceandconnecttothe
mainsagain.
Letmeknowwhathappens

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/)

7monthsago

Reply(CS7329JHV649XT1)

Reply(C28ANPBHUBWTJN5)

Thanksforthiseasytoimplementtutorial.Ihaveimplementedthesamestuff
(/member/egrabhishek/)
usingMOC3041andBT136TRIAC.Iamusing470and330ohmsresistance

andthethingsworkprettywell.
HoweverIamfacingastrangeissuewiththesnubbercircuit,whichIhad
incorporatedtogetridofthetransientsintheline.Thetransientsautotriggers
myTRIACforamomentwhichIwanttoremove.Removingthesnubber
makesmycircuitworkwell.WiththesnubbermyswitchisalwaysON.
IremovedtheMOC3041fromthecircuitandnoinputsignalsaswellbutstillit
isONalwayswhensnubberispresentinparalleltoTRIAC.Seemslikeit
providesaparallelpathtotheexternalloadturningitON.
Anyhelpwouldbehighlyappreciated.
Thanks,
Abhishek.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) egrabhishek
Reply(C60REPCHUCTRQ7U)
7monthsago

Abishek,thanksforyrkind

(/member/diy_bloke/)
words.Itisindeedodd,but

whatIdoexpectisthatthe
100nFmightbeabittoobig
foryrsettingandtheBT136
mayseeitasacapacitive
load(thoughitisntstrictlya
load).Asaresultthecurrent
andthevoltagemightbeabit
outofsync,sothatatzero
crossingthereisstillavoltage
(fromthe100nf)thatkeeps
theTRIACopen.
Thereareacoupleof
solutionstotru:somepeople
useadistinctlydifferent
valuesetfortheirsnubber:say
33Ohmand10nFandyou
coldtrythat.
100ohm(even120ohm)and
100nFarehowevertriedand
tested.
ThedV/dtisprobablytooslow
foryrBT136.
WhatIsuggestisthatyoutry
the33Ohm/10nFcomboand
seeifthatsolvesyour

problem.
Yousayyouneedthe
snubbernetworktogetridof
transientsthattriggeryour
TRIAC.
IsittheTriacthatgetsauto
triggered,ormightitbeyour
mocthatistriggeringbecause
ofthetransients?
Whatloadareyouswitching?
isitaninductiveload?
AlthoughIneverhad
problems,thedatasheetofthe
MOC30xxsuggesta
somewhatmorecomplicated
snubbertogetridoftransients
inaninductiveload:
http://images.elektroda.net/0_1257514629.jpg
(http://images.elektroda.net/0_1257514629.jpg)
TheBT136isa'sensitive'
Triac.
Iwouldsuggestthoughthat
youfirsttrythe33ohm(or39
ohm)and10nF

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) diy_bloke
Reply(CBY09PZHUCTRQ8P)
7monthsago

letmejustaddthatsnubber
(/member/diy_bloke/)
circuitsarelargelyempirical

anddependlargelyontheload
youareswitching.Sure,there
issortofageneralrangeof
whatseemstowork,butthe
factthatsomepeopleswear
by33/10andothersby
100/100or120/100already
showthereisn'taoneright
solution

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) diy_bloke
Reply(C9NWCIPHUDMS2LS)
7monthsago

Issue1:SnubberLeakage
(/member/egrabhishek/)

Exp:Mysnubbercircuitis
leakingvoltage/currentand
keepingmy
devicesturnedONwithvery
lessintensity.
Toavoidanypossiblityof
leakagevia3041(opto
coupler)Ihad
removeditfrommycircuit
entirely.NomoreICis
present.
EvennowIcanseethat
leakagehappening.Initially
thisleakage
washighandasperyour
suggestionreducingthe
capacitorvalue
helpedandnowitsprettylow
butisstillthere.
Issue2:Changing
resistanceshowsnofurther
impactonthe
behaviour.

Exp:Itried10nFcapacitor
with39/68/100/180ohm
butit
stillglowsslightly.
Issue3:FalseTrigering
Exp:Mycircuitactivatesfora
fractionofasecondwhenI
turnon
anotherheavyloadonthe
samelinelikeanACcieling
fan.
MyBackground:
IamworkingasaMobile
SoftwareEngineer(Android
etc.)forlast9years.Donot
haveindepthknowledgeof
electronics.Butcancorelate
thingsbasedonbasicidea,
R&Dandcertainlyabitof
commonsense.Needtoget
intomoretechdepthsoonbut
maybenotrightaway.
WhatamItryingtoachieve:
Iamtryingtomakesuch
digitallycontrolledswitches
andmyrangeofappliances
thatshouldworkincludes
householdcomponentslike
CFL,TubeLights,Cielingand
PedestalFans,TVetc.
Idonothavetocontrolsome
reallyheavygadgets.Ifeel
thattoincreasethecircuit
enduranceImighthavetoend
upmakingdifferentmodelof
switcheswhichIwilldolater.
FornowonlyCFL,Mobile
Charger,CielingFansandTV
controlswitchesshould
suffice.
Thanksforallyourinputsand
yourvaluabletime.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) egrabhishek
Reply(CRHGPA5HUDMSLSA)
7monthsago

Thanksforyourexpos.You
(/member/diy_bloke/)
havenotchosentheeasiest

gadgetstoswitchasamobile
chargerandaceilingfanare
inductiveloadsandaTVis
mostlikelyaninductiveload.
CFL'salsocarrytheirown
problemsandtheymayhave
ahighstartingcurrent.
Foronething,Iwonder,have
youexperiencedthese
problemstooifyouwere
switchingasay60100watt
incandescentlightbulb?
Secondly,Iwonderifyr
purposewouldntbebetter
servedwitharelay.
Thirdly,aslongasyouare
switchinglowcurrents(likea
fanoracharger)youcould
consideracheapSSR(I
publishedacircuitofthatone

too).
Butasitisyourproblem
mightberelatedtothe
MOC3041/BT136
combination.
Trythefollowing:
1removethe330Ohm
resistorandincreasethe470
to560or1kandseewhat
thatdoes
2ifthatdoesntdoit,buildthe
snubberlikeyouseehere:
http://images.elektroda.net/0_1257514629.jpg

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) diy_bloke
Reply(C8ONAXLHUDMSODH)
7monthsago

Thanksonceagainforyour
(/member/egrabhishek/)
promptreply.

Ithinkyouarecorrectbut
sinceIamworkingona
TouchScreenBasedhome
automationsystemIreally
cannotlimitto12
equipmentsandhencemylist
unfortunatelycontainsallof
thoseinductiveelements:(.
Toansweryou,IDONOTget
anyfalsetriggerwith
fluorescenttubelightora
simplelightbulboperation.It
occursonlywhenIswitcha
ceilingfanandthattooIturn
itON/OFFdeliberately
severaltimes,justtotest.
Secondly,Icannotsurvive
withmechanicalrelaysasI
cannotkeepthemturnedON
forlongtimewhichwouldbe
thescenarioifsomeoneturns
Onandelectricalequipment.
Itwillreducethelifetimeof
thecoil.
IcanswitchtoSSRbuttI
havereadthattheytendto
failinClosedStatewhichis
notsosafe.
Theothersnubbercircuitis
switchingtheneutralandnot
theload.WilltrythisifIfailto
maketheoneIamcurrently
trying.
AlsoIdowanttoknowthe
exactreasonforthissothatit
doesnotbecomeablocker
formeandcanmovetothe
nextleveloflearning.
Iamgonnatrywitheven
smallercapacitorandseeif
thathelps.
Willposttheresultsina
while.Alsoonemorethought
thatotherfolksarealsousing
thesamedatasheetcircuit
withnoissues,whyisit
happeningwithmethen:(.

Anywaysthanksforyourtime
buddy.Letmeknowifyou
comeupwithsomeother
thought.:)

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) egrabhishek
Reply(CDZMU60HUDMSPPC)
7monthsago

Thefactthattheother

(/member/diy_bloke/)
snubbercircuitisswitching

theneitralandnotthelaod
doesntreallyseemthat
relevantIthink.Shouldgiveit
atry.
WhatalsosometimeshelpsI
havebeentoldistoswithM1
andM2.
AsIunderstandtheMOC
seriescanalssometimesgive
falsetriggeringandthat
'other'circuitshouldprevent
that.
Thecauseofyrproblems
whereothersaresuccesful
couldverywellbeproduct
variation.Also,ifyouhappen
tohaveaTic206laying
around,givethatoneatry

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) diy_bloke
Reply(CTPPS0VHUDMSPNL)
7monthsago

Themarketisprettyfarfrom

(/member/egrabhishek/)
heresowilltrytogetTIC206

inadayortwo.Alsothereis
noMOCpresentatalleven
thenthesamebehavior.It
meansithasnothingtodo
withtheMOC.
NextwhennoMOCispresent
thereisnoconnectionofthe
gateterminaltoanythingso
nopossibilityoffalsegate
trigerring.
Alsosmallercapmakesa
difference.
OnemorethingIwanttoknow
isthatIamtestingusinga3
pinsocketorextension.
Inthe3pinfemalesocketIam
plugginginaverysmallnight
lightindicatorandthatflickers
andglowslightly.DoIhaveto
testusingsomeheavierload
orsomething?
WellfornowIamcluelessand
totallylost.Willtryitfrom
scratchandwilltrytheTIC206
optionaswell.Thanksforall
yourhelp.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) egrabhishek
Reply(C3TU0NOHUDMSR50)
7monthsago

you'dbettertestwithadecent
(/member/diy_bloke/)
loadlikea60wincandescent

bulb

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) diy_bloke
7monthsago

Thanksforthesuggestion.I
(/member/egrabhishek/)
amatwork.Willgohomeand
trywitha100Wbulb.Ifound
anotherguyfacingsimilar
issue.Findbelowthelinktohis
question:

Reply(C9BTP3PHUEEN12Y)

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/876...
(http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/87685/will
snubberpassvoltagethourgh
it)
LookingatthisIamatleast
convincedthatmycircuitis
almostcorrectandthereexists
nouniversalsnubber.Ialsogot
adirectionthatifIendup
makingahomeautomation
project,Iamgoingtocreate
differentswitchesfordifferent
typesandcapacitiesofloads.I
thinkthatwillfitmybusiness
usecase.
Thanksforallyourhelpand
input.Ifyouhavetimeplease
havealookatitandletme
knowhowcanIdecidefor
differentkindsofloads.
Regards,
Abhishek

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) egrabhishek
Reply(CHLWRXHHUJ96K35)
7monthsago

Hi,

(/member/egrabhishek/)

Iamabletomakeitworkwith
BTA16600B.Icouldnotget
thesnubberlessversionsoI
mightendupaddingextra
snubberforinductiveloads.
ButforsmallerresistiveloadsI
amgoodtogo.Nomorefalse
trigerring.Thankstohigher
dv/dtvaluesoftheIC.
Itestedmycircuitfor45
continuouslywithapedestal
fananditworkedwithoutany
issueslikeheatingandall..For
now..thingsarefine..
Thanks.

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) diy_bloke
Reply(C31EOOYHUDMS2C8)
7monthsago

Thanksforyourinputsbuddy
(/member/egrabhishek/)
anditactuallymadea

difference.Itriedwith10nF
capwithvariousresistances.
Itsolvedmyproblemby80%.
Itsolvedtheissueoffalse
trigerringtoanextent.Itstill
happensbutfrequencyis
muchlessnow.Butstillthere
isastrangebehavior.My
circuitleakssomevoltagevia
thesnubberandmybulb
glowswiththeminimum
possibleintensity.Itried
connectingawireextender.

TheredindicatorLedinthat
glowswithverylowintensity.
However,whenIswitchitON
viaMOC3041thingswork
well.
OknowIamgonnabreakmy
issuesintomorecommentsto
makeyouunderstanditbetter.

rmatkar(/member/rmatkar/)

9monthsago

Reply(COQSJ2SHRI947NY)

Thanksforthepost.SoIhaveimplementedasimilarcircuitwith470ohm
(/member/rmatkar/)
resistorandBT136triadTheresistorsthatihaveusedareof1watt.Correct

meifIamwrongbut,thewattageoftheresistordoesnotmatterwherethe
470ohmresistorisplaced!andhowmuchcurrentcanthiscircuithandleasin
...canIusethiscircuittocontrolmaybeanACorarefrigerator?

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) rmatkar
7monthsago

Hi,

Reply(C3U0T5IHUEEN19W)

(/member/egrabhishek/)

Iamseriouslyinneedofsome
help.Ihavemadethesame
circuitwithBT136andiam
facingtheproblemoffalse
trigering.Didyoufaced
somethingsimilar?Iamusing
470ohmsand330ohms
resistorsassuggestedinthe
post.
Anyhelpwouldbehighly
appreciated.
Regards,
Abhishek.

rmatkar(/member/rmatkar/) egrabhishek
7monthsago

HiAbhishek,

Reply(CNHV874HUEEN5VN)

(/member/rmatkar/)

Iwouldsuggestchangingthe
BT136toasnubberlessBT
likeBTA16.Ididnotfaceany
issuesworkedfine.Howareu
firingthetriac.justdouble
checktheoutputpins.Iamnot
fromaelectricalbackground
socanthelpyoumuch.
Thanks
Rituparna

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/) rmatkar
7monthsago

Hi,

(/member/egrabhishek/)

Thanksforthequick
response.Ialsofoundthat
snubbercircuitshaveasmall
leakagecurrent7.5mAfor
0.1uFand100ohm
resistance.
Ialsocameacrosssome
snubberlessTRIACSBTA16
600.Iamgonnagiveatryto
thataswell.

Reply(CR0CUTNHUEEN9RC)

SorryIamnottryingto
discourageyouorfindfaultin
yourcircuitbuttheissuemust
bethereinyourcircuitas
well.Ifyouwantyoucantry
byactivatingyourcircuit.
Keepthetestload(saya
pedestalfan)OFFandnowif
youhaveaceilingfanthentry
turningitONveryslowly.
Makethemanualswitch
producesparknoise.And
nowyoucanseea
momentarymovementofthe
fan.
IamfiringitusingMOC3041
anditworksperfectly.This
issueisjustasideissue
whereIamseeingaspike
upsettingmyswitchfora
moment.
UnfortunatelyIamalsonot
fromelectronicsbackground
ratherfromsoftware
backgroundandtryingto
makeahomeautomation
system.Ihaveachievedmost
ofthethingsandamjust
stuckatthispoint.
Iamnotsureifthereare
somerulesabouttheforum,
butitwouldbegreatifIcould
gettheprivilegetocallyou
onceorifyoucandothat.I
amsharingmynumberhere:
8884404704(Bangalore).
FormoreinfoonwhatIam
tryingtodoyoucanreferto
myoriginalqueryabove.
Regards,
Abhishek.

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) rmatkar
Reply(CO7AFVPHRI94X4C)
9monthsago

Tnxrmatkar.Thewattageofthe
(/member/diy_bloke/)
470ohmresistorofcourseis

important,butitdoesn'tneedto
besohigh.:)Unlessyouwant
tocaterforworstcase
scenario's1/4wor1/2wisok.
theBT136canhandle4
amperesoaslongasthe
currentconsumptionofyourac
orrefrigeratorstayswithinthat
itshldbeok.canadvisethough
toaddaheatsinktoyrbt136
andtoaddthesnubbernetwork
asIindicated

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) rmatkar
Reply(CT4EUHFHRI94X4A)
9monthsago

Tnxrmatkar.Thewattageofthe
(/member/diy_bloke/)
470ohmresistorofcourseis

important,butitdoesn'tneedto
besohigh.:)Unlessyouwant
tocaterforworstcase
scenario's1/4wor1/2wisok.

theBT136canhandle4
amperesoaslongasthe
currentconsumptionofyourac
orrefrigeratorstayswithinthatit
shldbeok.canadvisethough
toaddaheatsinktoyrbt136
andtoaddthesnubbernetwork
asIindicated

egrabhishek(/member/egrabhishek/)

7monthsago

Reply(CKZRRYZHUEEN9JQ)

http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/precautions_...
(/member/egrabhishek/)
(http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/precautions_ssr.pdf)

Thisclearlystatesthatthereisalwaysaleakagecurrentinsnubbercircuit.

samueltoast(/member/samueltoast/)

10monthsago

Reply(C08J2QVHQNA48US)

hipeople!ihave1question:
(/member/samueltoast/)

wichpinofthemoc3041givesthezerocrossingsignaltothearduino?
PS:imanitalianstudentsoexcusemeformyenglish

diy_bloke(/member/diy_bloke/)(author) samueltoast
Reply(CEGLM4KHQOAILTR)
10monthsago

HiSamuel.Nothingwrong
(/member/diy_bloke/)
withyrenglish.

Itisn'tspecifically1pinthat
givesthezerocrossingsignal:
theMOC3041'soutputis
betweenpin4and6.It
doesn'tgiveazerocrossing
signal,itconnectsbetween
pin4and6ifitgetsaninput
signalonpin1and2,butit
makesthatconnectionat
zerocrossing.TheMOC3041
thereforehasazerocrossing
detector,butdoesntgivea
zerocrossingsignal

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