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Opportunity Knocks Again - Illuminator13 - 2009
Opportunity Knocks Again - Illuminator13 - 2009
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread519570/pg1
I am one with access to the knowledge of The Bloodlines who you believe
are "Evil" and whose actions you disapprove of. I have chosen to come here
to answer the questions you may have, all you have to do is follow The
Rules and ask.
The Rules:
1.) I am under NO obligation to answer every question asked (and in some
instances I could not even if I wanted to).
2.) Think before you ask your question. I will only be here for a very
brief period of time, so I suggest you ask only important questions. Use
your Intelligence, Intuitiveness, Courtesy and Creativeness when asking a
question. Use your mind and heart to break free from that box that you
have been placed in.
3.) Ask specific questions. I am bound by a few Laws that I would rather
not break by accident, so if I feel your question is very general, it may
be ignored.
4.) Respect me and my decisions, as I will be awarding you the same
respect. Please do not post crass, pointless, futile, insensible or
disrespectful questions and/or comments.
Adhere to these four simple rules and this may prove to be an insightful
and enlightening experience. Disregard them and I may choose to disappear.
Now, with those preliminary rules in mind, feel free to post your
questions.
Q: Well here's mine, what do you expect to achieve with your post here?
Q: Ok i will play along, just for show, whether you are or not.
1) What books do you think we should read to understand the
spiritual side of the so called elite?
2) Why do you feel you have to come here at all, to justify or what
ever reason, the elite, at all?
Q: Does anyone you know have telekinesis? What is your current belief
on the structure of the universe? What is your belief for the origin of
life in the universe and this planet?
A: 1.) No. Telekinesis is possible though, but most likely you will not
ever know anyone who can do it.
2&3.) What I believe does not matter.
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Q: I see you breezed though your 20 posts which are all one liners of
no value.
Your one line posts break the rules here and also show that you really
have nothing to contribute to this board but nonsense.
I think the mods should toss you.
A: 1.) Those 20 posts were just a formality for me to post this thread.
This is my first time on this website and I had no idea I would be
required to post 20 messages. My lengthy responces will come on this
thread. I do have the luxury of time to post 20 in depth responses to
other topics. Plus most of the things on this on this site are nonsense
anyway, although I did see a few with some merit.
2.) Well if you think that, then I am glad you are not a moderator.
Q: We should phrase that as: To the op, why should we take you
seriously?
Can you explain to me how the Rothschild claims a direct bloodline?
Q: Ok, since you brought up "bloodlines", what could you tell us about
them and why do they think they are so "special"? (This feels alot like
talking to the CleverBot, doesn’t it?!)
A: I can tell you that the Bloodlines are here to help you and special
is not the correct word, duty is.
Q: You say that most of the subjects here are "nonsense". Which
subjects hold merit?
Q: I got a question... Are you as fake as the other 1000+ posts "just
like this one here" where someone comes and explains they are "from the
secret societies at hand" or "the Illuminati"?
My second question is...would you roll your eyes at what you wrote
thus far, if you were not who you claim to be?
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A: I never claimed to be from the Illuminati (Which has less power than
you think)
Q: So how accurate is the law of one? And you are saying our purpose is
to learn our (self) purpose and everything else is a distraction? Does
every person play an equal role in this world or is one person’s purpose
more important then the other? Is the method of finding answers to look
inside your self? (for answers)
If each of us does have specific things we are supposed to learn or
be concerned with would you consider modern technological society as a big
distraction that is leading us to failure? (Because of the memes spread
for example)
Was Edgar Cayce a charlatan? Did his heavy Catholicism muddle up his
message?
I'll see how these are answered before I ask some "real" questions
A: I would not read the Law of One or any other spiritual writings if I
were you, no matter what was "recommended to you". In the earlier part of
his dialogue "Hidden Hand" made grave errors in what he told you, he
"talked too much".
Q: 1) Do you believe that you where reincarnated, and that you lived on
this planet before?
2) Why do you think you are part of a family that has a "duty" to
run society? Why does your family think they where given this duty?
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A: 1.) No and I am a rarity.
2.) You are asking the wrong questions.
A: What part of the "20" post formality did you not understand? This
was a post to which I thought I could tell you otherwise. No "alien"
invasion is going to happen, why? Because "Aliens" are not a threat to you
nor do they wish to invade you. Contradiction? Nope.
Like I stated before do not pay attention to Alien Invasion threads,
they are not true and are not useful to you in any way, shape or form.
Q: So what are the bloodlines planning on doing to help us, if they are
here to help us why not just come out and tell us? They have no reason to
hide if they are going to help us. Only reason to hide if the plan on
killing us.
Did the bloodline write the bible?
Why do you only have a short time here?
Q: You say that most of the subjects here are "nonsense". Which
subjects hold merit?
“All the ones that portain to "Alien Invasion", "2012 Apocalypse", "Swine
Flu" and the like. Most others are completely irrelavent to your lives
personally.”
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Wait...so ALL POSTS that "portain" (you mean pertain, you incredibly
bad speller, you) to Alien invasions, 2012 end-of-the-world, Swine Flu AND
THE LIKE (like what?! Man...you suck at this), ARE ALL REAL!?
HAHAAHAHAH.
Dude...graduate from high school. If you can...and THEN return to
try and spam/scam us. O.k? Because the drivel you are spewing here makes
you look really (and I mean REALLY) dumb.
I am NOT saying you ARE dumb...just saying you LOOK UNEDUCATED in
more areas then just spelling.
Good to know that the sacred bloodlines of old have trusted
knowledge to you. They must have had a "pick from the bottom of the bucket
day" down at the old Illuminati club house.
Man o man...see you in skunkworks you horribly played hoaxer.
A: Not only can I see the negativity in your words, I can feel it also.
Such malicious and venom. What cause are you fighting for?
I am not a hoaxer.
Q: I didn't mean You specifically "forcing" your help on us! I mean the
"help" that you said the "Bloodline" feels it is their duty to carry out?
The question was,"Will that help be forced on us?"
(Because, frankly, I don't need your help, or want it! I don't like anyone
other than God deciding what is in my best interest!)
Thanks anyway!
A: I'm sorry, I must have missed it. To answer your question, no.
Hypnosis as a tool of manipulation is not something I could recommend
anyone looking into. Does it work? Yes. Is it counterproductive to why you
are here? Yes. Is it really worth doing? No.
Q: “In the earlier part of his dialogue "Hidden Hand" made grave errors
in what he told you, he "talked too much".”
OOOOOH! I get it...more of this "hidden hand" guy.
Wow...thanks for showing me what this is all REALLY about.
Welcome back.
Enjoy playing with your computer. But don't stay up too late, you
have a big day in class tomorrow and we wouldn't want you forgetting your
lunchbox.
A: I am not "Hidden Hand" and I would never even dream of making the
mistakes that he did.
Q: 1) Do you believe that you where reincarnated, and that you lived on
this planet before?
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2) Why do you think you are part of a family that has a "duty" to
run society? Why does your family think they where given this duty?
Q: The problem we have is we do not know how far we can go into this
stuff, without you stopping answering. Who ever you are your very cryptic,
and that can mean plenty of things to us all here. You mentioned the word
"Duty". Can you define what you mean by that, without breaking any rules?
I think that’s the only thing you have said so far, it’s your duty. Just
simply what does "duty" mean to you and who ever your part off?
Q: come on people lets not get involved in all this, it ends up making
people look gullible and stupid, an exercise in futility.
Q: Do you know what merit means? Did you use it wrong? Did your
bloodlines run to your head or something?
A: If you dont want MY help, fine I wont give it. But the Bloodlines
"help" is here regardless of whether or not you want it. Contradiction?
No.
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Q: Tread lightly friend, but give us a little more detail. How can you
say you can help if you don't at least put a little meat & potatoes on the
table?
A: Thank you for the encouragement. Believe me I am trying but the only
questions I am getting are questions about my answers. If you people would
ask some "real" questions, then I could answer, but right now I am getting
none of that. If you have a question you want me to answer, feel free to
ask it.
Q: So true, the only thing so far in this thread, is that he/she has a
duty, and that’s all they said, lol. Anyone can be cryptic in answering
questions, though contradicting themselves, is not something i would take
seriously as we all have to put our words into English and often we all
contradict ourselves. But this thread is useless, if you’re not going to
say anything.
A: Am I giving the wrong answers, or are you people asking the wrong
questions?
A: Ok, when I say, "true" Bloodline, I am talking about the ones who
rule this world. They are not who or what you've been told they are.
Q: Based on some of what you've said, I would believe that you claim to
know "Why" we are here. If so, why are we here, in your opinion?
A: If I told you that not only would I be breaking a Law, but I would
achieve the complete opposite of what I hope to. If I could tell you that,
I would tell everyone, every chance I had...but this world doesnt work
like that.
My time is up for today, but I will be back tomorrow.
Maybe tomorrow I'll finally get to get started on the honest
questions, so if those of you who wish to be negative could restrain
yourself from posting it would be much appreciated.
Goodbye.
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A: Why are you worried about 2012? Not only is it irrelevant to
anything in your life as of this moment, there is no need to concern
yourself with it at all.
Q: OK maybe i can fill you in on ATS a bit and explain the hostility
you’re receiving. About once a month, there will be a thread from someone
who claims to be in contact with aliens, from the future or from the
bloodlines. They come on asking members to ask questions and they promise
to give answers, normally with some rules applied. Then we get a thread
running for about 20 pages, with no coherent answer to any of the
questions asked, very similar to the thread you have just begun. So you
maybe spending your afternoon doing this after maybe reading a book on
bloodlines come on here and see how many gullible people you can dupe. You
will realise we are not all saps on this website, so unless you provide
some hardcore facts about yourself your family and anything slightly
interesting, do one
A: Yes, I looked through this website a bit and I did see what you are
referring to, so now I partly understand why some of the members here are
so hostile. I have never read any books on the Bloodlines, because none
exist. I do not think any of you are "saps" and I am not asking to be
"believed". I am only here to answer questions. People say that I am being
vague, and I am being vague but there is a good reason for that.
Q: Would you mind telling us what mistakes Hidden Hand made and was he
truthfull in his replys and pls check your u2u
Q: Hmmm seems to me you have read enough here to use a title from a
very popular thread "Window of Opportunity" by the poster Hidden Hand.
He had lots of very good and relevant information. I feel you are
just attempting to copycat this very sucessful thread and I am not reading
from you the same level of knowingness.
If I am wrong, I apologize but, I trust my instinct.
A: You are correct about one thing, he did give you guys some pretty
good answers, but he also had alot of irrelevant things. It’s funny
because the irrelevant parts of his dialogue seem to draw the most
attention and focus.
Also, his thread was the reason that this site was the last place I
wanted to come to, to say what needs to be said. The idea is to help new
people, instead of those who have been helped. Metaphorically speaking: If
you were donating 100 Christmas gifts to needy families, would you drop
off all the toys at one house? No, you would go to different ones.
A: Very good question. I love the way you formatted it, you didnt ask
for THE answers to these questions, you asked for MY answers to these
questions. The answers are relatively simple. Here they are:
1.) A developing soul.
2.) To show others what they are.
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Want me to elaborate? Formulate the question so I can answer.
A: 1.) Yes. A catalyst will always be needed as long as there are souls
who need to be developed. There is no other way around it.
2.) As long as it takes, there is no set "time" standard.
3.) I am not in the habit of lying, and I have not lied to anyone on
this website.
Q: Is earth such a hard ride sometimes to show us what we are not? And
if so, being that we are wonderful supreme beings ourselves why do we have
to learn this again and again.
Maybe tomorrow I'll finally get to get started on the honest questions, so
if those of you who wish to be negative could restrain yourself from
posting it would be much appreciated.
Goodbye.
Q: "Ok, when I say, "true" Bloodline, I am talking about the ones who
rule this world. They are not who or what you've been told they are."
What I've been told is that all people are born naturally free and
sovereign unto themselves, and any notion of Divine Right of Kings is a
false doctrine intended to subvert freedom. By believing in natural rights
and inherent political power belonging to all people am I in direct
conflict with this so called "true bloodline"?
A: No. Believe what you will, it won’t the fact of the matter.
Q: Surely you have to expect some negativity. You’re making some pretty
outlandish claims and have proved little in the way of evidence.
A: Interesting. What "outlandish claims" have I made? You are the ones
assuming everything and that’s not my problem.
Q: Who dug the Oak Island pit, why and does it now contain anything?
What did the Templars use to blackmail the church and where is it now? Why
are you any different to any other loony that makes exactly the same claim
and cop out as you?
A: 1.) That depends, are you worshiping dead humans? And worship, in
itself, is an unnecessary thing to do, being honestly grateful is good
enough.
2.) It is possible to learn through those methods, but not
necessary. You know everything you need to know about why you came here,
all you have to do is look within.
3.) Do as you wish, it doesn’t matter to me. The places where I am
using a computer, like I stated before, are both public venues in a well
populated city. If you seek to find me though, you only have 3 days left.
A: Not exactly. You can be told the truth by others, but it wont help
you none. In fact it might actually hurt you. It’s your job to find it on
your own.
Q: What are the best ways to heal, both physical and emotional
problems? This does sound like Hidden Hand, but then again he was
convincing after all was said and done. Is what he said true? So we know
not to ask the same questions.
What can we do on a day to day basis to help achieve what we are
here to do?
A: 1.) Ok, Physical ailments have more to do with the Objective "World"
than anything else. There is little you can do when something severe
happens to your "body", no matter how much you may "believe". Example:
Amputees. Most of these instances are designed to test the person whom it
happens to. How will you react? Go into a pit of despair and become
resentful or continue on being content and accept what has happened? But
relatively smaller problems are not design to test you at all and have
solutions that can be solved by an "Objective" source, and by "Objective"
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I mean something that you would perceive to be apart from your "Inner"
self. Example: You trip, fall and break an arm. What do you do? Wrap it in
a cast an allow it to heal itself.
2.) As for Emotional problems, if you take note, most are caused by
your choosing to react to a certain situation in a certain way. Think
about it, who is in control of you? Who makes the decisions in your life?
3.) The core of what he said was true and that really is all you
should be concerned with.
4.) Find out what you are, where you are, and why you came here.
Then live according to the answers you find out.
A: 1.) Emotions are here to, I'll say, enhance the quality of your time
here. They are tools and it’s up to you to use them properly.
2.) "Individual" or "Universal"?
3.) Some are some aren’t. Has to do with the "Objective World" and
"Subjective World" I described earlier.
Q: Illuminator:
First a personal question. Why did you choose the screen name you
did? I know, it should be obvious, given the definition, but I've
practiced quite a bit of magic. The reason people here thought you were
referring to "Illuminati" bloodlines was, in fact, because your selected
name implies that notion, much in the same way you ascertained that
spelling was inconsequential because man was intelligent enough to know
what you meant. Words and numbers have magic that relies heavily on just
that notion, thus, if you are from the bloodlines, I assume you have some
reason for the name you selected.
Second: What kind of things could you point out in history that
(nonspecific bloodlines) have done that would, in your family's eyes, be
deemed as "Evil"? Evil is generally a very subjective word. What is the
definition, from your perspective, of what is deemed "evil" and "good"
ways? I mean, someone out there views mass genocide of the earth's
population as a necessary evil, while another may look at it as just evil,
and yet another may see it as a good thing.
Hopefully I made my questions clear enough... it's hard to convey a
complete thought from mind to word.
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3.- Within your hierarchy, it's been alluded to that again, this
supreme being, has commanded specific rules that must be followed. Why are
there rules, and why would knowledge have to be withheld from anyone?
Q: A. When you say Bloodlines - do you mean the one that was proven
that all U.S. presidents except for one are all related to the same
British King? Or are you talking about ET bloodlines?
B. What is the nature of Evil? Who does it serve and what is its
ultimate purpose? Is it the lessons?
C. If you are identifying yourself as a benevolent (good, positive)
being - do you realize that we must have evil and without evil we will
never learn any lessons in life?
D. What will you gain for the information that you are sharing?
E. Can we as individuals bypass the evil bloodline and what they are
imposing on the planet?
F. Can we change the destiny of what the "evil" has planned for us?
G. Does Bloodline relate to DNA activation? If so, do they have some
special powers that we don't?
A: 1.) Yes.
2.) If you want to do anything, moving nearer to the equator (Think
South America) would be a good option. But really, what does it matter
anyway? Do you think you are going to "live" forever? This is not your
"Home".
Q: I am not going to buy into this 100% yet. I do agree that the OP is
keeping his answers very vague. However, let’s play for a second that this
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may very well be the real deal. Someone who has the knowledge and the
ability to answer our questions. So here goes OP. Here are my questions.
* When will our governments, (maybe the U.S. to be specific)
disclose information that our planet has been visited by E.T. Just to
clarify, I am looking for a date, but in the end I will only get what you
are willing to give.*
* Are we, the human race and its governments, headed for another
world war in the next say 10 years?*
That is all I have at the moment. Hopefully this is what you have
stated in previous posts as, the right question. Thank you for your time!
A: I am not asking you to "buy" anything. Take what you want from what
I am saying, discard the rest, but isn’t that what you are going to do
anyway?
1.) Most likely, never. Not only would it be counterproductive, but,
believe it or not, the general population is not ready to come to terms
with that knowledge.
2.) Nothing is written in stone, but I am reasonably positive that
no "World Wars" will be happening anytime soon.
Q: Dear "illuminator"
Albeit while others are not so keen about a repeat 'Hidden Hand'
post, I see this does serve me an opportunity to ask some questions which
I never got to ask your associate.
First of all, are you part of the same embodiment (group) that stems
from the ancient Lucifer group, or Quetzalcoatl, alternatively would it be
possible you could provide more information on said group?
Second, is the rumored coming disclosure this month actually going
to occur, I see this as a valid question because if anything if you are
who you say you are no doubt you will have the same 'access' to
information as your associate.
Third, why is the coming harvest necessary and what purpose does it
serve to the reptilians, plus it was previously stated by 'Hidden Hand'
that the harvest will propel humankind into the 4th dimension, if that is
the case, how do you explain the fact that people are believing we're
headed to the 5th.
Finally, do you have any association with the Galactic Federation of
Light whom are apparently nothing more than advanced-biomorphic reptiles?
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their Skepticism though. As a People, we have been faced with far too many
Lies to take anything at face value.
Now, as for my Questions, I will ask no more than 3 in a Single post
in respect for the Power of Trinity.
1) Will Your Bloodline attempt to lead my People into an Unnecessary
War with Fatal Weapons instead of just a Lyrical Combat?
2) Can you Suggest a Method to better balance the "Seven Sins" with
the "Seven Virtues" Spoken of in the New Testament?
3) Does the Faith of Many detract from the Faith of Few?
Thank you in advance for answering my Questions and Any others you
are Capable of Answering without Undue Risk. I must say, this Game,
although sometimes Dangerous for those involved, is truly fun to play.
Q: Hidden Hand was genuine. I intuitively knew this. If you are who you
say you are then I sincerely thank you for the opportunity granted once
more. Some highly relevant questions regarding this end cycle.
What are you willing to reveal about the role of chemtrails?
Will the militaries of nations attempt to close borders/highways
prior to Nibiru's passage?
Should we prepare for mass power outages/disturbances between 2010-
2012 as a result of solar activity?
Will the false flag 'alien invasion' be after the pole shift event
to help usher in the new world order agenda?
Do you agree the Mayan End Cycle calendar really ends in 2011, not
2012?
I understand these are confronting questions and I hope you are
within your bounds to disclose openly and honestly. I realize these events
will prove highly relevant in the near future. Please ignore the
negativity. It is to be expected unfortunately. I am sure you are evolved
enough to not take it personally.
Thanks in advance.
A: 1.) I'll put it this way, they are not killing you and they do less
damage than you think.
2.) It is possible, but most likely wont happen.
3.) Prepare, yes. Worry, no.
4.) Don’t worry about that.
5.) No, and I would be more concerned about the things that are
important.
Q: Ok.. I'm wondering about bipolar disorder, would you say that
generally bipolar people are more creative than others? If so, why is
that?
Bipolar disorder is thought of as being hereditary, is this correct?
What is the real cause is there a spiritual link?
I've read somewhere that it might be something wrong spiritually, a
fractured crown chakra or something like that?
Medicine for bipolar disorder: is anything big pharma pushes good,
or helpful for bipolar disorder, or is it as I suspect: real bad for you?
What about alternative treatments is there something you could
recommend?
Is it maybe just a nutritional problem?
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I've been wondering this for a while too, is cannabis good for you
as long as you don't over consume(too much of everything is bad)?
Do cannabis have any spiritual connection, or is it just an ordinary
plant which happens to get you high?
Could I terminate my existence.. Wouldn’t that be fair, couldn't
"God" give me that opportunity? Couldn't he destroy me forever and ever?
Basically what I'm asking is: Am I under a contract that I can't break? Am
I TRAPPED in existence?
In this miserable, utterly hopeless existence, this hell.
Couldn't I just say: I'm done playing, I don't want this, I don't
want this life, I don't want an afterlife, I don't want to reincarnate, I
don't want to move to another "density".. I don't want to exist in any
way, shape or form.
Wouldn't that be my right if I wanted to, to not exist?
I'm pretty much done with this life already, been burned out for
years.. this "game" is played out.. and my conscious self never signed no
deal.
I want out. I don't see the purpose of this spiritual rat race
anyway..
A: 1.) There are a lot of people who are misdiagnosed with that
"disease". And why are the ones who truly "have it" more creative? The
same reason that when a person loses his sight, his hearing becomes
keener. You lose something, but it is compensated for in another way.
2.) Ok, the best way I can put it, so that you might be able to
understand it, is this: A "glitch" in the "game". Same thing for people
born with "Downsyndrome".
3.) Almost all of it is "bad" in the general sense, but everyone is
different. If you become more "stable" and experience little to no "side
effects" then whatever you took is right for you, if not get a new
medication.
4.) No alternative treatments that I would recommend, sorry. I do
not use "pot" and I would not recommend it to anyone.
7.) Just an ordinary plant.
8.) No. Learn your lessons and learn them now, taking your life will
solve nothing. Life is "sacred", cherish yours.
9.) Just look at your mindset. Everything is as you see it because
you choose to see it that way. Have you ever "looked on the bright side"
of things? Be thankful for where you’re at, because there are many in far
"worse" situations than you. It’s not what happens to you that is the
problem, its how you choose to react to it.
10.) No, that’s not the way it works.
11.) This is not a "spiritual rat race"; take as long as you need.
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a) Why do we need "help" from the "Bloodlines"?
b) How are they "helping" us? Are they helping us by keeping us
subservient to them and not asking ourselves important questions like why
we are here?
c) What do they want from us? What do they want us to do?
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a) Is the Swine Flu Pandemic/Mass Vaccination a form of biological
warfare or control?
b) Is a method of population reduction?
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a) Are there such things a Extra Terrestrials?
b) If so, what is their purpose?
c) Are the "Bloodlines" in contact with them? Is any other human
organization, for that matter?
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a) What is going to happen in October 2011?
b) Will there be a pole shift during (or beginning) in that point in
time?
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a) Is something going to happen in the near future that you are on
this site preparing us for?
b) How much time do we have if that is in fact the case?
That's all I have for now - my next set of questions will depend on your
responses to this set. Take as much time you need in answering them, but
please do respond to each and every one of them. I apologize if I have
offended you in the first part of this post.
Q: Illuminator
1. Are you done answering questions?
2. The Vanderbilt’s, what knowledge have you in terms of their
influence on the current world scene? Also I have heard of their lineage
running some how back to the Elites of the Maya and even the Olmecs. Can
you speak to this in any way?
A: It acknowledges all.
Q: “Think before you ask your question. I will only be here for a very
brief period of time, so I suggest you ask only important questions. Use
your Intelligence, Intuitiveness, Courtesy and Creativeness when asking a
question. Use your mind and heart to break free from that box that you
have been placed in.”
1. What box might that be? (No matrix clichés please)
You are assuming people you do not know are (metaphorically)
imprisoned. That’s a big assumption given there are 6 billion individual
human beings on the planet each with their own unique perception of the
world.
2. Who and what is the "supreme being"?
You said to someone "but you ask the wrong questions".. (I love
interview with a vampire!) .. But rather than getting us to pander to you
and play 200 questions.. Couldn’t you just save us some time and tell us
the specific answers we need to know? The answers you have given so far
are vague and cryptic and do not fulfill the opportunity you claimed to be
offering.
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A: That "Box" is where your "teachings" and "learnings" have brought
you thus far. Conditioning, it works just as well on the mind as it does
the body.
That is the end of my time today.
If you could please hold back on the questions, so I can catch up,
it would be appreciated.
Take care.
Q: You mean you're here to help us in the same way that Hidden Hand
said he and his House are?
A: Ultimately, yes.
Q: Also, can you tell about magic? In this world of ours, where we are
supposedly bound within rules, how does magic exist?
A: What I can tell you is that "Magic" does exist, but that does not
mean that you should go meddling with it. You don’t personally need it and
it wont help you do what your here to do.
A: They don't. I am here for a slightly different reason than you are.
I got through this "phase" a long time ago, and though I had to "relive"
the basic polarity complex that is this planet, I learned relatively
quickly why I was here, and, so I am completing my mission.
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A: 1.) Everyone you come into contact with.
2.) Yes.
A: Well the first thing you need to do is "go inside yourself" and get
the answers to who you are and why you are here, then the rest should
really take care of itself. If you show others what you/they are, both of
you will develop. Why? Because you are One.
Q: If what you need to do is not done by Dec 2012, will you not have
failed, or are you to be in this 3rd density for an unspecified time?
Q: About the "Why are we here, in your opinion?”. Doesn’t mean that I
am looking to accept those answers. I only asked that question to try to
gain insight into his perspective.
I believe in God, but I still don't know why we are here! I can
accept there are some things we may just not be able to know, and I'm okay
with that! Truth is, I’d be very skeptical of anyone claiming to
know...that doesn't mean I'm not curious about the answers they would
give!
A: Because of the challenge and the desire to "prove oneself". You are,
in all actuality, "playing" a "game" with yourself and eventually you will
win.
Q: You say that you're the good guy here to help, so if you're the good
guy who's the bad guy?
A: There are no "Good guys" or "Bad guys". Just beings playing the role
that they are assigned.
Q: Do you believe that we only reincarnate into the future, and not
into the past. Can we in your opinion reincarnate into past (by our
understanding of time in our 3d bodies now) bodies.
Q: “I do not need to "hide behind proxies". In fact I only use two, and
both are at public venues. I have been to both, one yesterday and one
today. These are the only two I will be using, the moderators will know
for sure.”
Does your theory of reincarnation, need to follow what we perceive
to be time, as going from past to what we think of our future?
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Q: What can we do to further the development of our souls?
A: Again, learn who you are, where you are, and why you are here.
A: Again there are issues afoot mostly regarding to what I have termed
the "Objective World" and the "Inner World" but I would still definitely
the latter...it really does depend of Which Symbols of Power you are
referring to.
A: Proper eating habits will help you mentally and physically, but not
much spiritually. And fasting is only perceived as helping you, mentally
and physically, because you have stopped poisoning yourself.
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Q: Can you post a brief explanation of your duties or work?
A: The only reason I am here is to help you see what you are.
Q: OK a few more about Saturn. Does its tilt at 27º mean that Saturn is
in perfect balance? If earth is at 23.5º does that mean that the earth is
not in perfect balance? If so does that have any affect on the human
condition?
A: No.
A: No, but to answer the first to, being chipped is actual a reality
but for practical purposes only. Don’t concern yourself with it though, if
the time comes when you have to make the choice to "be chipped" or not
(regardless of the consequences), simply do as you wish.
A: Wow I wasn’t going to respond to anymore posts of this sort but this
is a very interesting statement indeed...but alas, I am genuinely confused
so maybe you can "enlighten" me. When did I say, or even allude, to the
idea that "I know everything"? Please tell me because I really would like
to know.
You do have the right idea though, because anyone who would dare
make such a statement is a liar and a hoax, but I did not and I am
neither.
Q: So we should:
A) Fear the coming of 2012
B) Live in fear of the Swine Flu
C) Live in fear of Alien Invasion
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And we should not:
A) Read anything which might help us understand our relation to our
internal, spiritual universe.
This is what I've gathered from your posts so far.
A: Really? Because, except for that last part, I stated quite the
opposite. And I believe explained why you should not do the last statement
in an earlier response. What are you seeing now?
A: Exactly.
Q: Are you still a part of the Luciferian Bloodline? If so, has there
always been a positive faction or was the positive side introduced
sometime recently? If you are not part of the Luciferian Bloodline, when
was your bloodline introduced here on Earth?
Q: Referring to the Hidden Hand post.. he/she states during the coming
Harvest there will be a three way split. The Negative will join Lucifer's
soul group in 4th density negative, which will (if anyone) accompany those
going to 4th density positive,
A: There are already beings awaiting those who will be coming to 4th
Density, and a few that will be coming to help out there also, so nobody
will be needed to "accompany" anyone, although beings like me might decide
to go along to.
Q: Who will accompany the 'lukewarm' and provide them with the catalyst
while they repeat the cycle?
A: Does it matter? You most likely won't even notice the switch anyway.
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Q: Is 2012 the correct year of Harvest?
A: That's a funny question but they will stay here. There will be
animals in 4th Density though if that’s what you wish to know.
A: Yes.
With that last question answered, that is the end of my time today.
I'll be back tomorrow. thank you all your productive questions.
Good Night.
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Q: You say that most of the subjects here are "nonsense".
Now, that said, I will answer that question again, and right:
Q: Let's say a farmer plants a crop of corn, waters it and cares for it
for a season, then rips the resultant corn from the stalk and eats it.
From the perspective of the corn, is the farmer a good guy or a bad guy?
Though I'll grant that I hope this is not a good analogy for our
particular situation.
Q: I wondered about the soul status of animals also. Where do they fit
in?
A: They are "conscious" to an extent, some more than others, but aren’t
here for the same reason you are.
They are here to act as an early Catalyst, if you want to develop
your Compassion before the 4th Density. Why do you think people get so
upset when the see a suffering animal? Compassion.
Now to mention, if you look beyond the prisons called "Zoo's", most
are pretty awesome looking and acting.
Q: That may be, but if it's truly our choice, then couldn't we choose
to not have a bad guy?
A: Of course you can, and it is highly recommended that you don’t try
to be a "Bad Guy", its counterproductive to why you are here and will
ensure you being here for quite a long time.
P.S.: all of my edits are for spelling purposes only. I have seen that
"you people" place high emphasis on spelling, but it is not possible for
me to answer as fast as possible without suffering some spelling errors,
as I am sure you make the same mistakes. The thoughts come as fast as I am
typing them. Sorry for any misspellings.
Q: Should we plan and make sure the plan follows or should we just go
with the flow and not worry about a thing?
A: Yes but, as you surely realize, plans never work out as planned.
Especially when you "forget" the plan once you have gotten to your
destination.
A: Yes. It happens all the time, but you don’t need to meet your "full
potential" to "pass this level", and most won't meet that potential
anyway.
Q: How do you equate the relation between free will and determinism?
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Q: If you see the future, how should you act to make it happen?
A: No, but some would love for you to believe that. You know you have a
choice, even if other tells you that you do not. Who do you place your
trust in, yourself or others?
Q: Do you see capitalism being maintained for many life times on Earth?
Do you know about any other political-economical systems which have
not yet been explored by humans in a social or ideological sense? If so,
could you give details about such system(s)?
A: Yes.
Q: Will you now stay longer to answer the questions in the queue, no
offence to the people that had there questions answered straight away but
there a plenty still waiting for answers
A: No. I can only be here until Tomorrow then it is done, sorry. I will
attempt, tomorrow, to only answer the most "cause-furthering" questions
and skip all the rest. You people are good question askers, a very
insightful bunch.
A: I'll put it like this, and it’s very simple: Always attempt to do
the "right thing". Don't come back with some "Oh what's the right
thing!?!?” Why? Because you know what it is.
Q: What technique or method you would suggest for us to figure out all
that we need to know?
A: You have to figure that one out for yourself, once you do find out,
you'll see how simple it was the whole time.
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Q: What’s better than water?
A: Freedom.
Q: What is the one book that you would take to a deserted island?
Q: Who is the greatest personality that ever put his feet on Earth?
A: Ultimately, no.
A: Yes.
A: The plan is not to "overtake" anything. I hope your not tuning into
that Icke guy or the Laura Knight-Jadczyk character.
A: Making choices.
Q: Why does the world seem to have got real crazy in the last decade or
so?
A: It's always been "crazy", you just haven’t been around in enough
time periods to notice.
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Q: Why do you assume we're all boxed in?
A: The same part that all the other puppets play. Its funny how a lot
of "Conspiracy Theorists" make the claim that the current leader is trying
to "Rule the world" or is the "Anti-Christ", but when that said leaders
time is up and they leave office what do they do next? They just slap the
same old label on the new puppet, not aware of what’s really going on. The
Bloodline has been in power for thousands of years, yet it always seems to
be the current Leader/Figure who is the "Bad Guy", but that’s done on
purpose of course...Hmmm, I think I'll give you a good hint for those of
you who think the president makes all of the decisions alone, do you even
know the names of the people on his cabinet?
A: No, as far as I know of, you stay where you are to accomplish the
tasks that you are here to do.
Q: When you die do you remember your loved ones or does it all go away?
A: A part of you always does, but you consciously forget when you come
back (assuming you have not "beat the level").
Q: Are you and your "family" just a bunch of crazy psychopaths with
tons of money, planting all these horrendous conspiracy theories about
yourself so that once sheeple wake from their stupor they fall into
paranoia?
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A: No. Most people do it to themselves by listening to outside sources
and they never really "awake" from their "stupor", they merely "change
positions" in their "sleep". It's a condition that is no better, but could
arguably be worse, than the position they originally were in.
A: It runs along the same lines of all "End time scenarios". Most
people in the western hemisphere associate, what is happening, with their
respective religions. The truth is contained within Sacred Texts, as
within yourself, but in the case of the texts it is hidden in a forest of
darkness while inside yourself, you hide it from yourself (with a little
Catalyst help of course.)
A: The latter.
Q: if you are here to help, why not tell us all you can without
crossing those boundaries which you are scared (sorry might not be the
right word) of.
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Q: So Hidden Hand was Boodline, and you are a walk in, can you explain
the circumstances around your walk in?
A: Physically, yes.
A: There is nothing unfair about Karma, you get what you put out. You
can take responsibility for what you did and received or you can play the
"Why does this always happen to me?" victim role.
A: Because they don’t seek understand and then they don’t "level up" so
in their next life they are repaid for what they did and they cry "poor
me", but they can choose to make things better by doing what that are here
to do.
A: Your not, but you are conditioned to believe so. And they "negative
influences" are there to show you what you are not.
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A: Most will never be able to make Physical Visualization
Manifestations here, if that’s you are asking, so the power is relatively
unimportant.
Intent is imperative and there is no reason, not matter what you do,
what happened to you and how you feel, to harbor a negative intent towards
anyone or anything. Sure, accidents do happen and they do harm your
record, but they are less damaging if you meant well and did not preplan
whatever you did.,
A: For the most part. And I meant Dogma in the sense of a group or
"congregation" type of agreeance, as in a group of people coming together
to organize what is "right" and "wrong”. Think Council of Nicea.
Q: Is this why we are only required to settle 51% of our karmic debts?
Q: Is the only way out of our karma to ascend, or can we choose another
path, and can a higher spiritual being choose to take on our karmic debts
for us?
Q: Assuming that you are familiar with the concept of the WANDERERS,
are there any examples of sixth density negatively polarized wanderers in
our historical past, considering ours to be a third density world?
Q: What is the best way to recover from severe depression, to the point
where the person can't even feel most feelings anymore?
A: It all depends on how much you have told them. They have to learn on
their own and they will, in their own time. Keep it simple and don’t go
into detail. If your seen a "Cryptic" or "Evasive" then it is good (Like
me earlier in this thread basically) because you know why you do what you
do. If they want detail, I would tell them to go beyond the superficial
into their "Inner World."
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Q: I know for a fact that some of the replies posted on this thread are
untruths.
Some of the things said can be picked up from anywhere, just read a
few posts on some of the threads on ATS and you get the general idea...any
fool could purport to being an illuminati / informed being / spiritual
being in human disguise or anything else for that matter.
Furthermore though there are some powerful bloodlines, they aren't
the deciders, just slightly higher up puppets on the puppet scale. They
too are shielded from the most sacred knowledge and power.
This OP really and truly appears to be an attempt at deceit to those
willing to listen and it very much reminds me of a forum once where some
of the posters were so egotistical and couldn't stand their posts being
disagreed (probably a medical condition) that they used their ISP multiple
email address / screen name facility to the max and were found to be
posting to themselves with self appreciating remarks pertaining to be from
some other poster...the entire charade was a totally fictional ego fest
and this looks entirely the same.
One would presume posters on ATS would be more wary of such pretence
given the nature of conspiracy theories and the fact that most are /
should be looking for reality in very real terms.
A: I really do not have time for this verbal swordfight, but it would
seem that I must.
First Statement: What an interesting sentence, one that anyone who
disagrees with my message could say by the way. But the interesting part
about it is the fact that you made that statement, but did not provide any
examples to support it. One would think that if you truly believed in what
you said, you would have at least given one example and an explanation as
to why it is an "untruth"...especially on my last day here...interesting,
but you are still open to provide an example, before my last post, so I
can look at it, but I am sure you wont.
Second Statement: Again, you make statements but provide no examples
as to why it is the case. Do you have a "hidden" agenda here? No, I
believe it is pretty much out in the open.
Third Statement: You are correct, there are some powerful
Bloodlines, who are not the "deciders" (to use your term), I could have
told you that though.
Fourth Statement: Again you are shifting the conversation to these
vague "other threads". You are subtlety implying that I am doing exactly
what the "stated" (even though it was not) threads OP did. Now, I have
stated that I was using two ISP addresses, and the moderators surely know,
and I have no need for multiple accounts, which they would know if I had
any. I am in full control of my "ego" but I seriously doubt you are.
Fifth Statement: You are clearly attempting to persuade the readers
into your non-productive line of thinking by indirectly stating that if
they do not agree with what you are saying they are not "wary of such
pretence given the nature of conspiracy theories and the fact that most
are / should be looking for reality in very real terms.” Do you put out
propaganda for a living? Perhaps U.S. Army Psychological Operations
(PsyOps)?
Q: You mentioned the supreme one before. (Again) Who and/or what is the
supreme one?
A: The One who created this "game" and the One who you will be
returning to once you complete it.
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Q: How would a person know that they have accomplished all their
lessons for this cycle?
A: You wouldn’t know until after you "died" or until the Great Harvest
comes.
A: There are some, but I would really rather tell you to look to your
"Inner" self for guidance. Many call it your "conscience"
A: Not if you do not overindulge, let it take over your life, or allow
it to dictate your choices. Use temperance.
A: There are Octaves. If you complete this one you can either, be
reunited with the Supreme One or go on the next adventure, or Octave.
Q: Will suicides be punished in any other way than just losing one
incarnation?
A: All I’m going to say is that life is "Sacred". Never "take yourself
out of the game"
Q: Are we all alien souls from different planets who chose to represent
and take back our lessons to them or are we taking it back to the source?
A: No.
Q: Has Military (or elite) time traveled using alien technology to our
past and changed the course of history to their own benefit?
A: Not to say they haven’t toyed with the idea, but the answer is no.
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Q: Will 4th dimension have a concept of time?
A: That is exactly what "Heavens Gate" thought; you witness what became
of that. No, dying is not necessary if you go in the Harvest.
A: Yes, but as I stated before, you will be, more or less, "challenged"
by the other lessons as well.
A: Don't.
A: Yes. And I can't be positive about that because the hypnotist could
also create "false memories".
A: I’m sorry, I'm moving fast. But if you really think and follow that
last statement, then you are doing fine.
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A: Yes.
A: Possible, yes.
A: Not if you haven’t figured out and live according to the lessons you
were supposed to learn.
Q: ATS was created for people already thinking outside the box.
A: No, they just got outside of "One" box, so to speak. I am sure most
of them are still in a "Box".
Q: I also want to know, can one repair upon past negative actions in
this lifetime? Is self judgment and repent enough? For example, every time
I stole, I add to the tally X amount of lifetimes.
A: In sense, no. You will have to pay for what you did to work off the
"negative karma". But do not continue to make the same mistakes.
Q: When does the polarity dilemma end? When we reunite with the source?
A: As you "move up" polarity plays less and less a role. And when you
"beat the game".
Q: When I meditate I call my "dead" father and daughter and get a HUGE
energy wave come through me and my skin is "on fire" and an overwhelming
feeling of love. Can you tell me what is happening pls, is it them ,is it
my higher self or is it something else altogether.
Many thanks
Q: Illuminator, are you part of the group that HIDDEN HAND speaks of?
Are there many groups? (Does it even matter)? Care to elaborate on
anything else he said? It seems in line with what you have been saying so
far.
Q: What do you know about Supreme master ching hai, and the quan yin
method
Q: regarding diet
i) Is Genetically Modified Food (GMO) as bad as meat?
ii) Sugars
do the above hinder or block us in our spiritual growth?
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A: No, but it does hinder you physically and mentally.
Q: HIDDEN HAND talked about the “Great Harvest” coming soon. Is this
the only time we “souls” are able to “move up the ladder” or is it
possible after every death?
Q: I would love to believe the op but I have some trust issues but I
will take in what u have said but I’m going to keep a open mind about it
Q: I get the feeling that our bodies are like a space capsule. We see
with our eyes (camera’s that feed our soul information). We hear with our
ears (microphones that feed our soul information). We touch with our hands
and such (probes that feed our soul information). Ultimately we are not
actually “experiencing” any of these “senses” first hand. Is this right or
am I way off base?
Q: Does the practice of yoga have any spiritual benefits? For instance,
being able to connect with our spiritual side better.
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A: See the truth is inside you. A "Soul mate" is, generally speaking, a
romanticized concept applied to a happy relationship. In reality, you have
thousands, if not ten of thousands, of "soul mates" (people you would be
extremely "compatible" with). You choose the qualities of a person you are
attracted to, and there will be thousands with those same qualities, which
you would find out if you "dated" a lot of people. That’s why when "soul
mates" die, the person typically will tend to meet another partner (If
they allow themselves to).
Q: Anyway, I'm not going to forsake my own Happiness and that of the
Ones that I Love just to Directly Answer someone’s Question and Neither
will the OP
Can you explain what that means? How will you forsake your own
happiness by directly answering someone's question?
A: Ok, I will state that "Karma" has a funny way of getting back at you
when you break a Law. While I do choose what I feel, if I go around
breaking the Laws, things can get pretty difficult for me. Besides that,
if I did break the Laws, I would be doing something contrary to my being,
and that could cause me some "disturbances".
Q: Is there cures for diseases such as type one diabetes that aren't
publicly available?
A: Like I stated in an earlier reply, there are people who can tell you
the truth but you are less likely to accept it as such if you do not see
it for yourself. You have to have a "Aha!" moment so to speak. Now I will
say this, do not accept my information on the premise that I am correct.
Ponder what has been said here, take what you resonates and discard the
rest. The same method could be used in other "Sacred Texts" and
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manuscripts although, depending on how "developed" you are, you may get
things confused and accept the wrong parts.
A: If you are seeing them constantly on a daily basis, yes. But if not
beware, you may be putting "value" on that which has none.
A: Help others, yes. Wake them, no. They must do it for themselves, but
it is fine to "drop hints".
Q: Hello Illuminator13,
Would you agree that everything is relative to each other? What is
good/evil to some is not good/evil to others? Does this mean there is no
absolute good/evil?
Q: Will humanity ever grow up (say within the next few decades)?
A: The things you have listed have gone astray of their origins and
original purpose. They have been "commercialized" for the general
population so to speak. I wouldn't put much value on what’s being pushed
out, on these subjects, now.
A: You "take a break" from this world. Death has been given a bad image
to scare people into fearing it. Just look at how death is personified by
the general population- A Grim reaper. The images places a bad picture of
death in the minds of those who see it. Really, death is not to be feared.
A: Ultimately, yes.
Q: Why do you suggest not using "Mantras?" Do these actually work but
do so by inciting the assistance from demonic entities or entities that do
not have our best interest at heart?
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A: They have a tendency to numb the mind.
Q: Why do you and Hidden Hand capitalize certain letters? Is this some
kind of ritual?
A: No.
Q: Why do many groups and companies use common symbols like the all-
seeing eye and the triangle? Do these symbols help manifest success for
such groups?
Q: Is the individual who uses the handle ET_MAN truly in contact with
extra-terrestrials that give him correct information?
A: I have seen the thread topic but I have not read its content, so I
really couldn’t tell you.
Q: Also, will we know when we have completed what we need to here? And
if not will we are just returning to try again?
A: 1.) No.
2.) Yes.
A: Yes.
Greetings Illuminator13
I have enjoyed this thread. Thank you for your contributions.
A kind farewell
Q: In your opinion, what are the most beneficial ways of dealing with
an other self that tries to manipulate you without diminishing positive
polarity?
Q: Ok, OP. What role do the incarnates play in the big picture?
Q: Are you familiar with the 11:11 time prompt phenomenon and if so
does it have any meaning? If so, what is the meaning for someone who
experiences this regularly?
A: Don't do it.
A: You could, but its not going to happen. "World Peace" is not a
possibility here, and it’s not supposed to be. This "World" is more a "One
on One" ordeal than humanity as a whole...work on yourself.
A: Don't hit them when they do wrong, for one. Now, unless you plan on
"home schooling" them and never letting them experience the "negativity",
they will be influenced. When they get older, it is their job to "conquer"
the "darkness" and set out on what they are here to do.
Q: two questions:
what is the best question we could ask?
what should we be concerned about?
Q: For some reason I've met most people during some difficult time in
their lives, and I am always compelled to help them thru, they on the
other hand feel they can open up to me from the very start, and I stay
around until things are good. When I notice the person is open enough to
hear, I convey the importance of contemplation and reason, on what a
wonderful playground we have at our disposal and that possibilities are
endless. Some hear it and some others chuckle. I fell it is right, but
would like your input please, is this the main deal why we are here?
A: Very interesting. If what you say is really the case, you may in
fact be here for the same reason I am, even if your not fully aware of it.
I would like to speak with you more, but that is not going to be possible.
A: Ok, if this is true then I am now pretty certain you are here for a
different reason than the others. Take heart in your endeavors and do what
you feel you must, comrad. Show them what they truly are.
Be A Lighthouse, Shining Through The Dark Sea That Is This World,
13.
Q: What civilization are the ruins along the mid Atlantic ridge from?
Q: Illuminator13,
I just realized something. You have the number 13 in your user id.
Usually, general people refrain from using that number due to the
negativity that has been attached to it from some time.
Anyways, is it supposed to signify something in your user id? (I
think its not a co-incidence). If yes, can you tell us --- what it
signifies?
Q: Can one beat the level by going to where the others reside?
A: No.
Q: So Hidden Hand was Bloodline, and you are a walk in, can you explain
the circumstances around your walk in?
A: I came here a short time ago because I knew "what time it was" and I
wanted to "help out".
A: Contemplate what is written, then take what you wish and discard the
rest.
Q: This game called life we play, like all games does it have
flaws/bugs/exploits that some people abuse?
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Exploits do exist, by the lesser developed, the greedy and the
selfish, who know about the "game" and choose to take actions that only
benefit them. They do get "punished" for their misdeeds though, so it’s
not a wise thing to do.
"Bugs", or "glitches," also exist but on an individual basis. See,
if an infinite number of "random" possibilities are happening, then it
would be impossible to know what happens next, so glitches do happen, as
in any game, but they are not preconceived in any way, shape or form. The
path you walk takes shape as you walk it. I mentioned earlier that one
"glitches" is "Downsyndrome".
Q: Where does the soul reside, inside the physical hosts we call our
bodies or somewhere else, outside of the body?
Q: What exactly is a brain, since it can die it must live and it needs
the body to live and the body needs the brain, very symbiotic. Also can
the soul be transferred from one physical body to another?
Q: How does one achieve the full potential? Are there signs or
experiences one should pay attention to?
A: Mostly likely, that won't happen right now. If you get into the
"Higher Levels" and choose to come back, you can attempt "Master" the
previous levels. It’s like a famous video game you probably know of: You
don’t have to collect all the stars to beat the game, but if you want to
you can "replay" levels to do so. SM64. I actually love that game
btw...off topic, I must keep focus.
Q: I don't know for sure but check out the Flower of Life also.
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A: Don’t believe all of the stuff out there about Sacred Geometry,
there are some distortions.
A: Your soul will always want oneness, but the "ego" (for lack of a
better term) would like to remain an "individual", which is why you must
keep it in "check"
A: Know what it is, how to identify it and then ignore its attempts
when you recognize them. Reseach "Propaganda" and you'll get a good idea
on what to do.
Ok my time is just about up. I will be making one more post after
this and then I am gone.
I would like to thank you for your insightful questions, you are a
smart bunch, and I hope you figure out why you are here and live according
to its answers.
If any of you feel like passing this on to other boards and the
like, feel free to do so. It may take some to collate the answers so if it
is too much trouble, dont worry about it, this will reach who it’s meant
to.
I wish you well in your journey, have fun with it though, life isnt
meant to be serious all the time.
Goodbye
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread519570/pg1
OneSeeker
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