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    Edward Snowden criticizes the lack of oversight of the NSA and BND, saying their mass surveillance programs operate without proper control or permission. He confirms earlier reports that the BND and NSA cooperated closely, with the BND adopting many of the NSA's search terms and selectors. Snowden explains that selectors can target whole companies or email systems, and NSA analysts could enter them without approval. The BND took on millions of selectors from the NSA, showing the scale of their mass surveillance. Snowden believes the NSA may have deliberately misled the BND and used it to spy on Europeans in a way that would be hard to detect. He calls for Germany to show leadership in regulating intelligence services globally.

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    GoogleTranslationof

    MarcelRosenbachs
    interviewofEdwardSnowden(DerSpiegelIssue
    20/2015)

    "
    TheWorldNeedsGermanyNow
    "

    Interview:WhistleblowerEdwardSnowden,31,explainsthemeaningofselectorsand
    criticizedthelackofsupervisionatNSAandBND.

    SPIEGEL
    :Mr.Snowden,theBNDhasSearchesNSAadoptedandsohelpedhertospyon
    EuropeanneighborsandtheEU.Doesthatsurpriseyou?

    Snowden
    :YouhavequotedmeinJuly2013onthefrontpagewithmystatementthatBND
    andNSAincahoots.AfterthatIdidinaninterviewwiththeARDonceagainpointedoutthat
    theNSAalsoinformationaboutSiemenstapsiftheyareconducivetotheinterestsofthe
    UnitedStatesevenifit'snotaboutsecurityissues.Thereweredoubts,nowthefactsareon
    thetable.Masssurveillanceisreal,itisindustrialespionageoperated,andtheintelligence
    servicesareworkingoutsidetheperceptionandcontrolofelectedofficialsandthejudiciary.It
    istimetotacklethisproblem.

    SPIEGEL
    :Aftertheannouncementofthenewallegations,therewerecallsforhisresignation
    fromformerchancelleryministerandBNDpresident.

    Snowden
    :Frommyperspective,it'snotaboutindividualsorthepoliticalviewsoftheCDU
    andSPD,itcomestothesystems.It'saboutwhetherwecanpassonthemodelofafree
    society,thevalueofprivacyandtrustworthypartnershipswithothergenerations.

    SPIEGEL
    :SuddenlyinGermanyalltalkingaboutselectors.Canyoutelluswhatitis,when
    theBNDfeedsthesearchterm"EADS"initssystems?

    Snowden
    :Mantheseselectorscanimaginehowafishingnet,interprettheintelligence
    officialsinthisoceanofcommunication,causedbythemasssurveillance.Thereareclose
    selectorsthatmonitoraspecificsmartphoneasinglepersonorwider,forexample,takean
    entirecompanyortheemailsystemofaministrytargeted.IntheNSAanalystscan,asIwas
    one,enteranyselectorwithouthavingtogothroughanapprovalprocessinadvance.Afew
    selectorsmustpassthroughafilter.Butthesefiltersarebasedonsuchsimplealgorithmsthat
    everygoodanalystcaneasilybesolved.Acheckisusuallyonlysubsequentlyheldand
    mostlyonarandombasis.Usuallyonlyasingledigitpercentageofallsearchesbyanalystsis
    checkedagainbyanotherman.

    SPIEGEL
    :TheBNDhasbeenadoptedbytheNSAmillionsearchfeaturesinsampleshetook
    tensofthousands,hehimselfhavingregardedtobeproblematic.Arethesefromthe
    perspectiveofanNSAanalysteverydayordersofmagnitude?

    Snowden
    :That'sbreathtakinglymuch.Theseordersofmagnitudewouldnevercome
    togetherinasinglesystemwitharealoversightandlegalcontrol,inwhichtheanalystshave
    tojustifytheirsearchtermstosuperiors.Suchfigurescanonlyariseinthecontextofmass
    surveillance.

    SPIEGEL
    :DoyouconsideritpossiblethattheNSAtriedtodeceivetheBND,andcheered
    himEuropeanselectors?OristheGermanservicesodependentonUSinformationthathe
    thinkshehastobeamorecomplianthelper?

    Snowden
    :IthinkitisentirelypossiblethatNSAemployeeshaverealizedthattheBND,the
    searchtermsarenotseriouslychecked.Andthattheythereforesawagoodchancenottobe
    caught,andthe2002agreementconcludedinjuredstrategically.Inthisrespectalsogivesthe
    amountofsearchtermsmeaning.BecausetheharderitisfortheBNDcoursetodiscover
    criticalsearches.AndevenifhesucceededwhichisfromanAmericanperspectivebecause
    therisk?TheNSAcansaysorryAnyway,thatwasamistake,guilthasapoorlytrained,
    inexperiencedanalyst.I'msurethereisstillmuchtodiscoverinthiscase,butthismuchis
    clear:It'snotagoodideatozoompermitaforeignintelligenceserviceofitsownmonitoring
    systems,withoutapersoninchargebeforeabsegnetallsearchterms.

    SPIEGEL
    :ThenewinsightsintothedubiousbehavioroftheBNDandtheChancellerycame
    throughthecommitteeofinquiryintothelight,theParliamenthasusedbecauseoftheir
    revelations.DoyouexpectthattheattitudeoftheGermangovernmenttowardsyouwill
    changeagain?

    Snowden
    :Idonotknow.ButIobservethatcountriessuchasFrance,CanadaandAustralia,
    allwithGermanyfriendlynations,intheprocessaretorestrictfundamentalrightssuchas
    freedomofexpressionandtherighttoprivacydrastically.Thisisnotadomesticpolicy,not
    evenaEuropeanissue,itisaglobal.AndactuallytheworldGermanyneedsatthisstage
    morethanever.Thetimenowisnotaboutadmissionsofguilt,Germanyshouldtakeamoral
    leadershipandtoshowthattherearerightandwrongwaystopursuenationalinterestsand
    makesuggestionsforthenationalandglobalregulationoftheintelligenceservices.

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