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Have you watched the movie , Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom or the movie Gunga

Din (In 19th century India, three British soldiers and a native water bearer must stop a secret
mass revival of the murderous Thuggee cult before it can rampage across the land.
Those stories are based on the alleged history of the Hindu goddess Kali worshiping Thugee
cult of Bengal. The English word Thug derives from this. alleged history. You can google for
this and get plenty of stories, almost always written by non Indians and non Hindus in particular.
To summarize, supposedly there was a roving band of bandits who went about murdering, and
committing the most heinous crimes of slitting the throats of passerby and tourists and robbing
them. They were all allegedly dedicated to the Hindu Goddess Kali who loved blood and human
sacrifice. The embellishment of this legend took a shape of its own during the Victorian England
and it has kind of carried forward today by some idiots. There are documented cases of these
stories by English soldiers and officers.
It went something like this.
For the members of Thuggee, murder was both a way of life and a religious duty.
They believed their killings were a means of worshiping the Hindu goddess Kali,
who was honored at each stage of the murder by a vast and complex system of
rituals and superstitions. Thugs were guided to their victims by omens observed
in nature, and once the deed was done, the graves and bodies were prepared
according to strict ceremonies. A sacrificial rite would be conducted after the
burial involving the consecration of sugar and of the sacred pickax, the tool the
brotherhood believed was given to them by Kali to dig the graves of their prey.
Thugs were certainly not above robbing their victims, but traditionally a portion of
the spoils would be set aside for the goddess.
Is there any truth to this Thugee culture of India? How much of this really happened and how
much of this is made up? And what was the motive for the English to make up such a bizarre
story?
No one can prove that there were no gangs that roamed the streets to rob people.. India is a
large country and I am sure like anywhere else there were robbers. IT would be impossible to
prove there were no robbers. But this idea of linking this to the Hindu religion and the Hindu
Goddess is what makes me sit up and take notice that its all made up and a lie. Especially the
English had an ulterior motive to make this shit up

With these lines, the British officer, Captain James Paton, introduced the
interviews he conducted with captured Thugs at Lucknow in northern India in
1836, emphasising the spontaneity of the exchange and authenticity of the
responses. The British believed the Thugs to be a sect of prolific murderers who
operated in secret along the highways of the subcontinent, guided by a deadly
devotion to Hindu goddess-worship. Ostensibly, the purpose of Patons
conversations was merely to demonstrate the diabolical nature of the practice of
Thuggee and of the Thugs themselves. Such revelations, however, implicitly
provided justification for British rule in India, and the ability of colonial officers to
penetrate the secrets of the Indian underworld was regarded as the finest
validation of their complete knowledge of the land. From the 1830s onwards,
colonial rule in India was in fact precipitated upon the gathering of information
about its peoples and customs.3 For John Kaye, the in-house historian of the East
India Company, the discovery and suppression of Thuggee thus constituted
indisputable proof that British rule in India had progressed from the nonintervention policies of a disinterested armchair administration: Approvers and
the Colonial Ethnography of Crime in nineteenth-century India1 Kim A.
Wagner, Queen Mary, University of London (k.wagner@qmul.ac.uk)
Prof. Kim A.Wagner in his book Thuggee, Banditry and the British in Early Nineteenth-Century
India punches the holes to a large extend to this myth of the Thugee.
One of the main witness to this alleged Thuggee cult is a Muslim man by the name Ameer Ali
who confesses to the British officers. The Idea of Muslims worshiping the Hindu Goddess Kali
is as real as a $3 bill. It may have gotten traction during the British Raj along with the stories of
one Mrs. Mortimer who made up such stories to scare British children of the 18th century even
though Mrs Mortimer never visited India.
Wagner continues.. The tale of crime which forms the subject of the following
pages is alas! almost all true; what there is of fiction has been supplied only to
connect the events, and make the adventures of Ameer Ali as interesting as the
nature of his horrible profession would permit me. I became acquainted with this
person in 1832. He was one of the approvers or informers who were sent to the
Nizams territories from Saugor, and whose appalling disclosures caused an
excitement in the country which can never be forgotten.13 The historical Ameer
Alee had actually been captured and taken on as an approver by the famous
officer, William Henry Sleeman, who was in charge of the operations at Sagar
that had been established in 1829.14 In the absence of circumstantial evidence,

the colonial authorities relied extensively on captured Thugs who were willing to
provide information and testify against their accomplices in return for a pardon. In
order to be granted a pardon and accepted as a kings evidence according to
Regulation VI of 1796, the approver had first to make a full confession, which
implicated himself in the crimes of which he had been accused.15 In subsequent
depositions, the approvers would then denounce accomplices and later identify
those individuals who were put on trial.16 Special legislation had been introduced
to put an end to what was perceived as an unprecedented threat to colonial
authority, and several thousand suspects were tried as Thugs and either hanged
or imprisoned on the basis of approver testimonies.17 The information derived
from the approvers thus constituted the very backbone of colonial knowledge of
Thuggee. Prof., Kim Wanger
In the movie Gunga Din, most astute observers would notice the patriotic speech of the main
villain before he jumps into a pit of snakes and dies for HIS country. During the British Raj
there were many resisters who didnt care for the white trash British rule and violently resisted,
which of course pissed off the tyrants . And benefited them to tell such stories to rationalize, to
their homies back home, about their rule in India.
Prof., Kim Wanger says the following
British knowledge of the Thugs was deeply entangled in the imperial project
and characterised by the need to assert the authority and legitimise the
expansion of the burgeoning colonial state of the East India Company. Invariably
coloured by Orientalist tropes and stereotypes, the primary sources relating to
Thuggee are accordingly extremely dubious and the very existence of a social
practice resembling that described by the British has been called into question by
later historians. 6 Even when British officers like Paton recorded their
conversations with Thug informers, or approvers as they were called, the
suspicion is still that the informants were merely responding to the questions and
expectations of the colonial interlocutor. Rather than being untainted records of
truth, these conversations elicited specific information that could easily be made
to conform to the official narrative of Thuggee.7 An inquiry into the subject of
Thuggee is thus largely defined by the very procedures and institutions that
produced such knowledge. Given the nature of the evidence, is it at all possible to
examine the subject without, in one way or the other, simply reiterating the
judgment of the colonial authorities?

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