This document discusses differing views on whether the tantra of Jinasagara Avalokitesvara is considered a father tantra, mother tantra, or non-dual tantra. Several high lamas are cited holding different positions, with some considering it a father tantra, others a mother tantra, and others a non-dual tantra. The author notes they have pondered this issue for years and now sees Je Tsong Khapa's view that the demarcation between father and mother tantras is artificial and superfluous, and that all tantras can essentially be considered non-dual.
This document discusses differing views on whether the tantra of Jinasagara Avalokitesvara is considered a father tantra, mother tantra, or non-dual tantra. Several high lamas are cited holding different positions, with some considering it a father tantra, others a mother tantra, and others a non-dual tantra. The author notes they have pondered this issue for years and now sees Je Tsong Khapa's view that the demarcation between father and mother tantras is artificial and superfluous, and that all tantras can essentially be considered non-dual.
This document discusses differing views on whether the tantra of Jinasagara Avalokitesvara is considered a father tantra, mother tantra, or non-dual tantra. Several high lamas are cited holding different positions, with some considering it a father tantra, others a mother tantra, and others a non-dual tantra. The author notes they have pondered this issue for years and now sees Je Tsong Khapa's view that the demarcation between father and mother tantras is artificial and superfluous, and that all tantras can essentially be considered non-dual.
agyu holders though) gloss this by saying different lineages hold different view s on Father, Mother and Non-Dual tantra with Kalachakra and Hevajra being the pr ime examples of contention (esp. Hevajra). And it basically breaks down to wheth er the practice is more on the method side or the wisdom side. Here is a point to "bake one's noodle" (excuse the plagiarized quote please). The Gampo Abbey account says that "Lokeshvara Mahakarunikaya Jinasagara Avalokit esvara" ( Tib: Jigtenwangchuk Tug je chenpo Gyalwa Gyatso Chenrezi) - to refer t o Him with the full name used in the Mandala Ritual Sadhana and the Great Commen tary by the first Karma Chagme; is said to be father Tantra. Thrangu Rinpoche is adamant on this on the basis that the "tradition" is father Tantra. What is strange and noodle baking though is that in the commentary, the practice s are referred to as the "essence of mother tantra" by Karma Chagme who wrote th e main commentary used to this day. Jamgon Kongtrul also lists the Tantra as mother Tantra (please see the back matt er in the Gem of many colours ). The Drubthab kundu lists it among mother Tantras. I have discussed this in depth with the late Bokar Rinpoche who looked it up in his personal note books and also verified that when he received the lineage, it was stated to be mother tantra. Now to add further fuel to this pointless fire, Beru Khyentse Rinpoche and Khenp o Karthar Rinpoche have said that Jinasagara is non-dual tantra like Kalachakra. Bokar Rinpoche did say that over time as various oral instructions evolved the p ractice could have become defacto non-dual tantra. Thrangu Rinpoche did not want to refute this view and agreed in theory but otherwise, as is evident in the Ga mpo abbey site, sticks to his view that Jinasagara is a father Tantra. Personally I have wondered about this for years and i would be appreciative of a ny ideas expressed by my learned Vajra sisters and brothers on Dharma Wheel. However, for myself, it doesn't affect the practice itself and I am starting to see Je Tsong Khapa s view that father mother tantras is an artificial demarcation that is essentially superfluous and that all Tantras are essentially "non dual" and can be practiced with one or another emphasis. BTW someone mentioned a standing yab-yum Jinasagara - if one looks at those pict ures carefully, you will find they are entitled "Guhyasadhana Jinasagara". All the best to everyone and may we all be enveloped by the four limitless medit ations.