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Godelier, Infrastructures, Societies and History
Godelier, Infrastructures, Societies and History
Societies,and History'
Infrastructures,
by Maurice Godelier
the reviewDialectiquesformy opinionon two points fundamentalto the social sciences,namely,ideologyand class. For
want of space, I shall merelyoutline some provisionalconand as clearlyas possible.
clusionsthatI have reachedas briefly
I shall be dealingwithfourtopicsin turn: (1) the distinction
(2) the relationship
betweeninfrastructure
and superstructure;
betweenthedeterminant
roleoftheeconomyin thelast analysis
(3) the
and the dominantrole of any given superstructure;
ideel2aspect of social reality and the distinctionbetween
ideologicaland nonideologicalwhen dealing with ideel realities; (4) the roleofviolenceand consentin the workingsof the
powerofdominationofan orderora class,etc. (can we speak of
a paradox of "legitimacy"regardingthe emergenceof classes
and thestate?).
I shouldlike to emphasizemydebt
Beforegoingany farther,
to the ever-growing-andalready immense-body of fresh
materialbeing thrownup by anthropologicaland historical
research.As faras historyis concerned,I am a mereamateur.
My readinghas centeredmainlyon problemsofstateformation
and the transformation
of class relations.I am afraidI shall
probably disappointthose of my readers who would have
liked me to spell out morepreciselythe connectionsbetween
mygeneral,abstractpositionsand thiswealthofanthropological material
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Godelier:INFRASTRUCTURES,
SOCIETIES,
AND HISTORY
in anthropology
and history
Balibar (1965), and theirfollowers
have conceivedthe causalityof economicsin the last analysis.
fromamongthe different
They view the economyas selecting
instancesthe one that is to occupythe dominantpositionand
thenplacingit in thatposition.This twofoldactionis regarded
causal mechanism.Unforthe infrastructure's
as constituting
tunately,this view is incapable of explaininghow a single
forexample-can act both as a relation
institution-kinship,
of productionand as a superstructure.
Whateverthe answer
to thisquestionmay be, we mustseek to explainhowit is that
kinship(or religion)comesto functionas a relationofproduction and hence to dominate. Concerningkinship,we may
imaginethat in primitivesocietieslivinglabour forcecounts
formorethanlabouraccumulatedin the formof tools,domesticatedresources,etc. We know that in all societiesthe reproformsof kinship.It
duction of life is governedby different
may be, then,that we shouldlook forthe ultimatereasonsfor
as relationsof production,and
kinshiprelations'functioning
henceforkinship'sdominance,in somegivenstate of the productiveforces,i.e., in somerelationbetween"living" (present)
labourand "dead" (past) labour.
we can now take a
Perhaps,on the basis of the foregoing,
look at the questionof the distinctionbetweenthe ideological
and the nonideological
spheres.
THE ID1EL IN REALITY AND THE PROBLEM
OF THE IDEOLOGICAL SPHERE
Does the foregoing
suggesta new approachto the problemof
differentiating,
among all the different
ideelrealitiesthat any
society contains,which are ideologicaland which are not?
Apparently,we have done nothingto alterthe view,generally
heldto be Marxist,ofideologiesand theirdomination.We may,
indeed, on the basis of the idea advanced above-namely,
that the dominantsocial relationswithina societyare those
which (regardlessof whichthey are) functionas relationsof
and legitimize
production-suggestthattheideas thatrepresent
thesedominantsocial relationsoughtto play a dominantrole
almostautomatically.Or, if we take social relationsforwhat
they are, namely,concreterelationsbetweendistinctsocial
groupsoccupyingdifferent
positionsin relations(functioning
as
relations)of production-whetherthese be relationsof men's
dominationover womenin classless societiesor relationsof
one caste's or class's dominationover the others-we may
guess that the ideas that legitimizethis dominationof a sex,
caste, or class will virtuallyor almost automaticallybe the
dominantideas in the societyin question.In the same vein,
we may also anticipatethat the developmentof the specific
contradictions
contained in differenttypes of relations of
productionand social relationswill bring about changes in
the relationsbetweendominantand dominatedand in power
relationsand ideologicalrelations;we may equally anticipate
that this will lead to the transformation
of the dominated
person'sconsciousnessof the realitydominatinghim.
Once we have taken these customaryMarxistpropositions
intoaccount,the difficulties
begin.First,theylack any precise
criterion
ofwhatturnsan idea intoan "ideological"representation.It wouldappear that whatis ideologicalis any idea that
an existingsocial order,along withthe relationsof
legitimizes
dominationand oppressionthat it contains withinit. One
mighteven go so faras to say that the idea's content,the fact
that it is trueor false,or moreor less true,is irrelevant,and
that any idea can becomeideologicalthe momentit entersthe
serviceofa dominantsocialgroupand presentsthisdomination
as a naturalphenomenon.At the same time,though,surely
an idea automaticallybecomes partlyfalse the momentits
presentsa social orderas the onlypossible,immutable,social
order?An historiclie thus turnsintoa theoreticalerror.
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becomeevenmoremarkedifwe startconfusing
man's relationship withnaturewithhis relationshipwithhistory,forwhile
natureexists,always has existed,and always will continueto
exist independently
of man and his thoughtand-where its
man'sintervennondomesticated
portionis concerned-without
tion,a social relationcan onlylead a doublelife,both outside
of man's thoughtand withinit. Social relations,therefore,
are
simultaneously
a materialand an ideelreality.
To conclude,I shall attemptto apply this analysis to the
problemsof the originsof class and of the state. I would take
to remindthe reader that, as Bonte (1975)
this opportunity
has shownfortheKel GressTuaregofNiger,class societiescan
exist withouttheirhaving to have a state as well-without
requiringa distinct,centralizedinstitutionthroughwhichthe
dominantclass may wieldits power.
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SOCIETIES,
AND HISTORY
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Comments
by MAURICE BLOCH
Departmentof Anthropology,
LondonSchool of Economics,
HoughtonSt., London WC2, England.9 vi 78
Godelier'spaper is an extremelyclear and powerfulpresentation of a point of view whichhas been of immensevalue to
Marxismand the social sciences.I findmyselfin agreement
withmost of it. However,because it is so wide-ranging
and
because it coverssomealreadyfamiliargroundI wantto commenton only one aspect of it: Godelier'sdiscussionof ideology. Behindthisdiscussion,and indeedthe wholepaper,is the
assumptionthat thereare two radicallydifferent
typesof societies:precapitalist
and capitalistsocieties,whichforGodelier
correspondwithnonclassand class societies.Onlyin thelatter
are thereideologicalinstitutions
or phenomena.In the former
ideologyis only to be thoughtof as a functionin a seamless
whole. Furthermore,
Godelierdistinguishes
betweenthe ideological,thatwhichlegitimates
and "naturalizes"power,and the
In preideational,whichis the processof conceptformation.
capitalistsocieties,the ideationalis organisedby the ideological, and,as a result,thetwodependon each otherso intimately
thatthe nonideological
becomesunthinkable;slaves in ancient
Rome could not have realisedthe exploitationto whichthey
were subjectedin a scientific
manner,and factorsexternalto
the slaves' consciousnesswere requiredto breakdownRoman
slavery.Only in capitalistsocieties,wherethe ideologicalhas
a specificlocation,can challengeoccur throughself-conscious
at theinception
action.Hence theoccurrenceof Marx's writing
of the capitalistsystem.
This argumentcontrastswithone I have recentlyput forward (Bloch 1977). My argumentconsistsof twomainpoints.
The firstis thatall societieshave somecompletely
nonideological concepts,formedthroughthe interactionof man and the
worldat a givenhistoricalconjuncture.The secondis thatin
all societiesconceptualisation
deformedby ideologyis to be
foundeitheronly,or at least especially,in certaintypes of
Thereis thereritualdiscourse,not spreadequallythroughout.
discourseand alwaysa potenforealwayssome nonideological
tial languagewithwhichto challengeideology.On this second
withGodelier,who sees this
pointI am in sharpdisagreement
social
state of affairsas possible only in capitalist-dominated
I am aware that thereare manyproblemsin this
formations.
position,but I have takenit because theproblemsin the counterview,that held by Godelier,seem to me even greater.
Firstly,we do have a lot of evidenceof fundamentalchallenge of the very natureof dominationby dominatedgroups
in the typesof societieswhichGodelierdescribesas nonclass
societies.I do not know about Roman slavery,but the continualpeasants' revoltswhichpunctuatedFrenchand English
feudalismare evidenceof this.The spokesmenforsuchrevolts
I On the subject of the thinkableand the do-able,I should like to
make one importantpoint clear. The fact that kinship,forexample,
is dominantin a givensocietymeans that everyproblemor eventis
goingto take the formof a problemof kinship;wherepoliticsdominates, every problemwill inevitablyassume a "political" formin
order to become thinkable.Thus, dependingon the locus and the
formof relationsof production,history'sactors, on each occasion,
develop a specificformof illusion regardingtheirown conditionsof
existence.Each mode of productionthus spontaneouslyengendersa
specificmode of screening,of occultation-in the spontaneousconsciousnessof the membersof a society-of the contentand foundationsof theirsocial relations.Far fromtakinga society'sownillusions
about itselffor reality,my theoreticalapproach seeks to lay these
bare and to explain theirexistence.
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SOCIETIES,
AND HISTORY
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of the hypothetical,
the originsof classes and the state might
be tracedto an exchangeof servicesor at least represented
in
this manner.The degree to which the stock-in-trade
of the
emergent
directing
classeswas "invisiblerealities"probablydependedgreatlyon conditionsand circumstances.
Such a system,once in being,has the capacityto maintain
itselffora longtime.As Harris (1971:406) has written:
The evolutionary
viabilityof the staterestsin largemeasureon
the perfection
of institutional
structures
that protectthe ruling
class fromconfrontation
withcoalitionsof alienatedcommoners.
Thesestructures
fallintotwobasiccategories:
(1) institutions
that
controlthe contentof ideology;and (2) institutions
thatphysicallysuppressthesubversive,
rebellious,
and revolutionary
actions
of alienatedindividuals
and groups.
It is such institutional
structures,
togetherwiththe idea systemsthatgive themlegitimacy,
thatmakeit especiallydifficult
forthe oppresseddirectlyto confrontthe conventionalorder.
Nevertheless,
even the Mandate of Heaven can be lost,given
the properconstellationof eventsand causes. At the root of
Marxisttheoryis the conceptthatwhat activatesthe process
of transformation
is the conflict
betweenthematerialforcesof
productionand the social relationswithinwhichthe forcesof
productionoperate.Anthropologists,
and for our purposesI
would includehistoriansand archaeologists,
have at theirdisposal a rangeof societiesand a body of data,on theprocesses
of changethatshouldpermitthe testingof hypotheseson conin humansocieties.Similarly,the
tinuitiesand transformations
conceptof exchange,so centralto the Marxistperspectiveof
economicrelations,
is groundthatanthropologists
asymmetrical
have cultivatedfor a long time.It is true that,'for the most
have studiednonmonetary
classless sopart, anthropologists
cieties,but even thisis changingfast,in part at least because
societiesof this typeare rapidlydisappearingfromthe scene.
It may thus be that the questionsGodelierasks will receive
the attentionthattheydeserve.
by ZOLTAN TAGANYI
Bogar u. 5, 1022 Budapest,Hungary.30 V 78
The authorof thisstudytriesto appeara Marxist,buthis work
it is perfectly
possibleforwomenin one societyto have impor- showsthe influenceof Frenchstructuralism,
of whichhe does
tantproperty
rightswhilebeingexcludedfromkeyreligious
posts not speak. His thesisdeals with "superstructure"
and "infraand ceremonies;
work structure."He sees the elementsof the formeras consisting
theymay also do mostof the productive
of
or havean important
rolein politicallifewhilesuffering
undera
theproducthe specificecologicaland geographicalconditions,
severedoublestandard.. . . Aspectsof whathas oftenbeen asand thesocial relationsof
tive forces,materialand intellectual,
sumedto be a unitaryphenomenon-the
statusof women-turn
out uponcloserexamination
to be largelydiscreteand unrelated. production.This analysiswouldbe Marxist,but he goes on to
includetheseelementsin his analysisas social factsverysimiLet me make it clear that I do not arguethatthe conceptof
lar to thoseof classicalFrenchsociologyand Emile Durkheim;
sex-baseddominationis invalid,but ratherthatthereare spefurther,he sees these facts as creatingconfigurations-the
cificmatrices,whichvary cross-culturally,
withinwhichsuch
of each societyis built by combiningthese
"superstructure"
dominationmanifestsitself.
because Levi-Strauss(1952) also
elements.This is noteworthy
Godelier'sconceptof ide'elrealitiesmightperhapsbe rensupposes,in discussingthe rules of the developmentof sociedered as "cognitivesystems"or "semanticstructures,"
and I
and sees the characteristic
t-ies,basic social building-elements
doubt that therewill be disagreement
of
withhis claim that all
featuresof societiesas being definedby the configuration
social relations-all culture,in fact-contain an ideel aspect.
theseelements.
My only cautionhere is that the quest fordeep or "hidden"
with
A distinction
maybe observedin Godelier'sformulation
structuresmay, in Geertz's (1973:30) words,tend to "lose
On the
regardto the structureand functionof institutions.
touchwiththehardsurfacesof life."
foreach instituit is characteristic
lowerlevel of development,
Godelier'sfinalsectionon violenceand consentis especially tionto have severalfunctions,
but on thehigherlevel of develstimulating.
In readingit I was remindedof Orwell's (1961:
opment,especiallyin capitalistsociety,institutions
may have
109) observationthat the greatappeal of colonialservicefor
onlyone function.This opinionis untenable,because informal
the Englishlower bourgeoisiewas that only in such contexts groups,such as the peer groupsof the slums of towns,exist
could they live the ideologythey shared with the directing alongsidethe formalgroupsin capitalistsociety(Gans 1967).
classes: "The people who went thereas soldiersand officials Further,we can observe,in additionto theunambiguous
strucdid not go thereto makemoney.... theywenttherebecause
ture and functionof industrialenterprise,informalgroups
in India, withcheap horses,freeshooting,and hordesof black
withinit, such as neighborhoods,
friendship
and visitingrelaservants,it was so easy to play at beinga gentleman."This,
tions,and cliques.These informalgroupsmayhave morefunctoo, was a exchangeof sorts-colonial serviceforstatusdeter- tionsthanthe formalones (Etzioni 1964).
minants-and,whileagain the issue is verymuchin the realm
Some terminological
mattersare as follows:A moreappro-
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is social formation.
priate expressionthan "superstructure"
is unfortunate
because the socioThe term"superstructure"
logicalliteraturecontainsotherexpressionsforthesephenomena such as "outside world" or "global society"or "nation."
("Outside world"is used by the authorin the latterpart of
is also unfortunate,
bethisarticle.)The term"infrastructure"
cause it is already employedby economistsfor the service
sector.
Anotherquestionof detail: Godelierconnectstheappearance
of states with the rise of agricultureand animal husbandry,
emphasizing
thisphenomenon
withregardto the statesof the
ThirdWorld.If we examinethe questionof origins,however,
we findthat the appearance of agricultureand animal husbandryis followedby the rise of city-states
in Neolithictimes,
but not in the spread of these phenomenafromAsia Minor
throughthe Balkan peninsulato CentralEurope.
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AND HISTORY
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