Scott Nearpass After reading this, I must say I am overwhelmed!

Last week as I sat by my sons bed before he drifted off to sleep, I was praying,as I usually take advantage
of this quiet time. This night I was in turmoil. I was wrestling with anguish about the answers in genesis
Sunday school curriculum and how taking a stand against the teachings of this group and ken ham by
removing my children from the Sunday school classes they loved, had made Sunday morning less
appealing and almost dreadful to me!! I began to ask God for direction and to rebuke me if I was
wrong!...

He led me to 1 Timothy 1.. Read it.. Paul tells Timothy to stay in Ephesus and command certain men not
to teach false doctrine any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies! As these
will only bring controversies and not Gods work!!! He goes on to say that these men have turned away
from love,pure heart,good conscience and sincere faith and turned to meaningless talk! They want to be
teachers of the law but they don't know what they are talking about or even what they so confidently
affirm!
This passage could work for both sides of the argument ( yec and oec )... People on both sides of this
"meaningless talk " have devoted themselves to their position in great extremes !! Unfortunately ken
ham has devoted himself so deeply, he is the main person in the spotlight! I am fully convinced that, like
ken states in one part of this article ,that believing one way or the other does not negate your
salvation!!! As he usually does in most of his writings, he later refutes his own statement and tries to
convince you that it really does make a difference for salvation!! His manner of speaking is as forked as
the serpents tongue! I have spent much time lately studying his work and his web page. He says we have
to take scripture as it is written but then tells us HIS version and how we should believe .. Take for
example the part of the article about the thorns and how he says that it was impossible for them to be
older than Adam because God didn't make thorns until he cursed Adam. Scripture does not say that God
CREATED thorns at that time . It simply states they will grow where Adam tries to grow food! Let's think
about something, the bible says that Adam was made in the wilderness and then placed in the garden
that God had planted. Correct ? If the wilderness did not contain thorns and such WILD things, then
what would have made it any different than the garden?? Yes! You can say that the bible doesn't record
that the thorns were already in the wild, but you can as easily say that scripture doesn't record that God
CREATED Them at this time!!... To take a radical stand on either side of this point would be a matter of
opinion! There is no concrete evidence for either side!.. The answers in genesis group tries to convince
people that what they think is somehow backed up !! Elsewhere in the article they say that the bible
states sin entered the world through Adam, they even give scripture reference! I went there and read it
multiple times ! It does not say that "sin entered the world through Adam" !! Again ken ham is adding to
the scripture ! He is counting on people reading his stuff the same way they read the bible , not very
deeply! The more I read from him and the more I follow up with his "sources" I am convinced that he is
one of the men that Paul warned Timothy about ! He has even gone as for as "updating" sermons from
Charles spurgeon so they are easier to understand. Ken conveniently omits some things and changes
others to fit his agenda ! When he is confronted about removing one particular statement from
spurgeon about the earth certainly being very old and that there were many stages of creation,he gladly
adds the statement with a footnote that jokingly says that as brilliant as Charles Spugeon was, he had
this point wrong.... How can I as a Christian support a man that is willing to even attempt to deceive
people so they will agree with him!! This is not the only time he has been caught being not forth coming

Commented [TS1]: Reading all of ! Timothy (as you

would not just read part of a letter, and meant to be read as
a whole.) I Believe that The fables and endless genealogies.
Contextually Paul was more than likely talking about pagan
beliefs in multiple gods and endless cycles of the universe.
Today however could represent Secular science as in 1
Timothy 6:20&21 says 20O Timothy, keep that which is
committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain
babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
Grace be with thee. Amen. KJV
1 Timothy 6:20-21New International Version (NIV)
20
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn
away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is
falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and
in so doing have departed from the faith.
Grace be with you all.
1 Timothy 6:20-21Wycliffe Bible (WYC)

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Commented [TS2]: Ok, but, but lets say that

hypothetically Adam had not sinned and decided to leave the
garden and grow his own food. With if thorns had already
been created, then the same food that he had labor to grow,
(there are certain herbs and fruits that produce thorns), those
same would have to produce thorns if they were already
created. Therefore making the curse pointless.
As far as your second point, The Garden was different
because it was a place that God had provided food for them
to eat, and God had collected together ALL trees that are
pleasant to the sight And the LORD God planted a garden
eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had
formed.
9
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every
tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree
of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of
knowledge of good and evil.
Commented [TS3]: The Specific verse indeed doesnt say
Adam but, if you keep reading (at least two verses on)
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all
have sinned:
13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not
imputed when there is no law.
14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even
over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's
transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if
through the offence of one many be dead, much more the
grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man,
Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the
judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of
many offences unto justification.
17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much
more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift
of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
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with ALL the facts!

I could go on all night, there is soo much wrong with this article! YES read the article but follow up on
every detail and reference !!
I love you Tony and nothing will change that , but I do believe trying to force yec OR oec is against God's
word ! 1 Timothy 1..This disagreement has sent me pouring over the creation account and has brought
me to a few conclusions .. The first part is written a lot like a psalm King David would have written,
almost poetic, not so much documentary . It actually sounds like the very first praise and worship song
ever written:-) To me, Moses is proclaiming God 's might, power and great sovernty over all things ! He
doesn't waste time with historical methodology or exact details, he is proclaiming the obviousness of
our creator! .. Another thing that begins to stand out to me, is how the Bible is written in a way that
would suggest to me that we are not supposed to toil over the details of some things. Scripture clearly
puts more urgency on understanding the end of the book than the front. What I mean is that the
creation story seems to be an understood statement of who God is and who we are, it wasn't meant to
cause confusion or division! It's like God was saying "this is who I am , who you are and why there is
separation between us, now let's move on to how you can be reconciled and then how to recognize the
end times."Almost like a fast moving math teacher speeding over the agreeable and understood fact
(everyone in class should know by now )that 2+2+2=6 ,so he can get to explaining how multiplication
(2x3=6) works! ... I'm not discounting the book of Genesis or saying that it's not important, what I'm
saying is that the Bible spends more time focusing on how important it is to know about salvation and
end times and gives little attention to defending the truth of God as our creator against a very weak
opponent! Its like an nfl player arguing with a 10 year old about who is stronger. It's obvious! The
creation story is just as obvious about the authority of God and wastes no time in engaging any
argument otherwise!..
I will say that this entire conflict has pushed me deeper into God's word and for this I am truly grateful!!
I am even more steadfast in my position about how meaningless arguments over some things is not
what God has willed for me!.
I pray that God will give us all clear direction and heal any hurt that this has caused, ultimately
sharpening our congregation and binding us even tighter in love !

Commented [TS4]: Does the book of Psalms change from

psalm to Documentary? I Dont see any other book that
goes from psalm to Documentary without any clear
distinction. As 1 Corinthians 13:33 states For God is not the
author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the
saints. Now in context Paul is talking about speaking in
tongues and prophesying but the statement is true no
matter what the context God IS NOT the author of
Confusion! So, with that being true, why then, 1st if it were a
psalm why would it switch mid-book from psalm-history?
Considering that Moses gave the ages of each generation
birth up until Noah gave birth to his sons then we know
also how old his three sons were when they entered the ark,
and how old they were afterwards. Here is a link to a site
that best is the easiest break down (that I have found) of ...
Commented [TS5]: I agree! It was not meant to cause
confusion or division, just like when God told Adam Of
every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die. God gives clear instructions, no
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Commented [TS6]: The entire BIBLE, is about Jesus, some
parts are more obvious than others ie prophesies
Concerning Jesus and the entire New testament. Others are
more subtle such as the death of the innocent to cloth the
guilty in Genesis, or how the Ark only had 1 door, that God
closed, and Jesus later said I am the door. If anyone enters
by Me, he will be saved, and one day God will shut the ...
Commented [TS7]: 2 Timothy 3:13-17,
All Scripture, including Genesis is inspired by God

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and

worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14
But continue thou in the things which thou
hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing
of whom thou hast learned them;
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Commented [TS8]: To us as Christians, there should be

NO argument. Its when you introduce a worldly view that
tries to undermine the Word of God or add things into the
Word of God that was there (ie a gap between verse 1 and
verse 2 or billions of years.)
in your example the 10 year old would be Satan and the NFL...
Commented [TS9]: For me its not truly about the Age of
the Earth, but about the Authority of Gods Word. If you
can compromise one part, then as Ken Ham said in this
article Once the door of compromise is open, even if ajar
just a little, subsequent generations push the door open
wider.
Commented [TS10]: In Conclusion, I believe that the
ENTIRE Bible is about Jesus. That being said, Jesus said
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.
Also according to John 1:1-14 Jesus IS the Word of God
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
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