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Did The Mossad Commit The Terrorist Acts Against The US On 9/11? (A Debate)
Did The Mossad Commit The Terrorist Acts Against The US On 9/11? (A Debate)
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
I hold that the Mossad did not commit the terrorist acts against the USA on
9/11.
I personally feel that they had been tracking the actual terrorists, and had
some knowledge (the depth of which we certainly don't know today) that a
strike was in the works.
Ansar holds the opinion that the Mossad committed the terrorist acts on 9/11
against the US out of "cui bono".
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of a
sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
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My aim in this cage match is to show the undeniable mountain of evidence
pointing to Israeli involvement with 9/11. This evidence, if was pointed to at
any other country in the world, would make Americans demand en-mass a
full investigation of the facts surrounding 9/11 and immediate cooling of
relations between that country and the U.S. In fact there is already such a
petition signed by now over a hundred thousand people demanding this
investigation. From the evidences I am aware of, I firmly believe that the
Israelis and crooked elements in our government engineered 9/11 to create a
Pearl harbor type of event that would benefit the American Israeli dupes and
their Jewish masters.
The other point that is very personal to me is that thousands of Muslims have
been killed, harassed and tortured. The U.S. is about to attack Iraq another
Muslim country under false pretense somehow linking 9/11 to Iraq.
Thousands of more innocent Muslims will die. I think a thorough exposure
of this frame-up of Muslims by the media and our Zionist Occupied
Government is necessary if not only to make the suffering and deaths of
thousands of innocent Muslims not be in vain.
Fraud and deception has been the way of the Jahcubites (Satanic Jews) for
thousands of years. I use the term Jahcubites instead of Jews because I don’t
think it is fair to lump all Jews under this umbrella of being evil. There are
too many good Jews who don’t fit in that category and too many of them
who lost their lives fighting against the diabolical scheme of the Jahcubites.
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as well as using the American media to shield their dirty deeds should not be
ignored.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
1. Israelis were caught celebrating and photographing each other while the
WTC was burning and going down in a rubble.
2. The men belonged to an Israeli company named Urban Moving Systems.
3. The owner of the company Dominik Suter immediately fled to Israel
4. After refusing lie detector tests for several weeks when taken each of the
Israelis failed the lie detector tests.
5. Under suspicious circumstances the Israelis were deported to Israel
6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC.
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area.
8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
WTC attack 2 hours before it happened.
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths.
10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11.
11. In the van belonging to Urban moving maps were found that the FBI says
showed the Israelis had a definite involvement with 9/11.
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12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
Mexican congress.
13. General Gul, who was the director General of the Pakistani Intelligence
Services and a close ally of America, said the following: "Mossad and its
American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime?
The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are
diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the
alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a
small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars
are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification --
challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly
scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This
was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a
nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have
been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report
after the Kennedy assassination?
I will stop here but have some more. I await your response.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Keep going.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
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14. Many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada reported incidents of people
having foreknowledge of 9/11. One such incident is an American spy by the
name of Vreeland who was imprisoned in Canada.
15. The Washington Times ran a story on September 10, 2001 about a 68-page
study issued by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies
(SAMS). The study, issued by the elite Army officer’s school, detailed the
dangers of a possible U.S. Army occupational force in the Mideast. Here is
the article's comment about the study's view of the Israeli Mossad:
Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
16. Thousands of people made huge profits on American Airline and United
as a result of put stocks. Many of them were Israelis.
17. It is true that in the last authentic interview with Carol Valentine OBL
denied having anything to do with 9/11?
I will stop at this point and would like for you to respond to any of the above
as being true or false.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
For what you agree with or disagree with you can just refer to them by
numbers.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Keep going.
Why would they commit suicide if it was for the Israelis and not for Allah?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Don't deflect my questions above. I want you to answer true or false to any of
what I listed. I have stopped at this point with listing but will not list more
until I get an answer as to whether you believe what I listed above is true or
false.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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If I start countering now, the debate will get muddled.
It's quite simple, you're trying to prove something, and I'm trying to defend
those accused.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Thoughtcriminal...don't make this more difficult than it is. Let me give you
an example of how I would like you to respond. You can do the following:
1. true
2. false
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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No, that's not how it is done.
You are to present your case in its entirety, and then I present my defense in
its entirety.
If we start going point by point, the debate won't end because we'll be stuck
debating each point and not the issue as a whole.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
That's not your entire case since you haven't discussed the planes, the
hijackers (if there actually were any), who the terrorists were, etc.
Please proceed.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Why don't you discuss those things for me since you know my case better
than I do? Other than past Israeli actions I rest my case on what I presented
above and would dearly love to get your response.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote} Page 9 of 226
No, it is fair.
You have to present your whole case since you've made the assertion.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
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The dictionary definition of evidence is 1.) an outward sign: indication, 2.)
something that furnishes proof, 3) testimony.
I feel that the above that I presented serves as evidences to show the Israeli
involvement with 9/11. Along with their proven track record in events where
they try to blame others for their actions and got caught I believe the Israelis
are guilty as charged. It was not Russians, Chinese, Indians nor French men
who were involved with any of the above incidents. It was Israelis and why?
Maybe as a rebuttal you could tell me why all these events listed just so
happens to involve Israelis and not people from other nations.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
If they were Mossad agents, why would they knowingly commit suicide?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
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TC don't put words in my mouth. I listed evidences showing a connection to
the Mossad with 9/11. Just deal with those for now please. Are they true or
false?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Now you are playing a game with me by avoiding the issue. Remember there
are many reading this. Please don't embarrass yourself.
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{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
The one embarrassing himself is you, since you haven't even made your
argument yet.
The way a debate works is that you lay out your case in its entirety, and then
I counter.
Simple.
Proceed.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
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Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
I'd rather you present your entire case in all its glory.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Let me post this again in case you have not read it.
Quote:
I believe that because of the evidences presented above and Israelis past
actions such as the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty and other actions that the
Israelis were responsible for 9/11 and got the blind American people to
blame Arabs for it.
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Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Here's my response:
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Now TC if you want to know how a person will act in the future don’t you
think it would be wise to look at how they acted in the past? Their actions in
the past will give a good gage of what we can expect from them for their
future actions. Let’s look at some of Israel’s past actions and the actions of
Zionists. Again I would like you to answer true or false to each of the items
listed:
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intercept.
3. On June 8, Israel used unmarked fighters and torpedo boats to launch an
hour and one-half attack on the American Navy ship the USS Liberty, costing
34 American lives and 171 wounded. The Israelis first attacked the Liberty's
radio towers in an attempt to stop the Sixth Fleet from learning that the
Israelis were the attackers. After unmarked Israeli fighters horrendously
bombed and strafed the Liberty, Israel sent in torpedo boats to finish the job.
They even machine gunned the deployed life rafts in an effort to ensure that
there would be no survivors (witnesses) who could expose them. Just as in
the Lavon Affair, Israel hoped to blame this act of war on their enemy, the
Egyptians. This time, only the courage and resourcefulness of the Liberty's
crew prevented a further compounding of the travesty.
4. As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men, one of them a former Israeli
Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress
carrying 9mm pistols and dynamite, but were released following intense
pressure from the Israeli Embassy. The initial arrests of the two Israelis inside
the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro made top news on Mexico City
television and radio on the evening of October 10. TV Azteca had extensive
coverage on the first night and on the following day. La Cronica de Hoy
Newspaper and El Universal Newspaper both covered the incident the
following two days but now it seems that there is a lack of reports. If the
Mexican Congress blew up guess who would have been blamed?
6. In 1950 there was a wave of anti-Semitism and terrorist acts against Jews in
Iraq. One such person who was greatly affected by this was Naeim Giladi
who was 21 at the time. He joined the Zionists to fight against an enemy who
he thought were deliberately trying to kill Jews.
A testimony is one of the ways that evidence is defined. In the above Mr.
Giladi admits that the Zionists committed acts against Iraqi Jews and got
others to take the blame for it.
I contend that in the examples above and many more the Jews have shown
a consistent pattern of performing terrorist acts and have others blamed so
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that they can advance their own interests. "Cui Bono" applied above and it
also apply with 9/11. The ones who benefited most from the 9/11 attacks
were the Israelis.
Quote:
Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States
and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, "It's very
good." Then he edited himself: "Well, not very good, but it will generate
immediate sympathy.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
I believe that because of the evidences presented above and Israelis past
actions such as the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty and other actions that the
Israelis were responsible for 9/11 and got the blind American people to
blame Arabs for it.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
How can you conclude your argument by not talking about the actual act
committed?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
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My argument was to show evidences implicating the Israelis with 9/11. I
have done that as far as I know since you have not refuted any of what I
presented. I even showed past actions by the Israelis I use as further evidence
to support my claim.
The real question is what do you have to refute any of what I presented? Just
telling me I don't have an argument is not enough. If that were the case it
should be easy for you to refute me.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
How can you form an argument without addressing the central points of
contention?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
TC you are fast becoming a waste of my time. Well then you discuss the
events of the day! Use that to refute my argument!
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goal of excellence in all that you do.”
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
You say the Israelis are implicated yet you haven't addressed the
circumstances of the terrorist attacks.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Do you agree that my foundation is correct? Is that what you are saying?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Give us a timeline.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
If you are not saying that, then which of my assumptions are wrong? Not for
the sake of the debate but for what you believe is true. I can accept it if you
show some to be wrong and others to be right.
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"Strive as in a race to achieve the
goal of excellence in all that you do.”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Why not just present your entire argument so that then I can rebut your
argument?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
I believe that because of the evidences presented above and Israelis past
actions such as the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty and other actions that the
Israelis were responsible for 9/11 and got the blind American people to blame
Arabs for it.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
4. After refusing lie detector tests for several weeks when taken each of the
Israelis failed the lie detector tests.
Source?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
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Source?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area.
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Source?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
WTC attack 2 hours before it happened.
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths.
Sources?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
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they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11.
On record? Where?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
11. In the van belonging to Urban moving maps were found that the FBI says
showed the Israelis had a definite involvement with 9/11.
Source?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
Mexican congress.
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
13. General Gul, who was the director General of the Pakistani Intelligence
Services and a close ally of America, said the following: "Mossad and its
American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime?
General Gul of the Pakistani ISI is heavily responsible for the creation of the
Taliban and giving shelter to Al-Qaida.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
14. Many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada reported incidents of people
having foreknowledge of 9/11. One such incident is an American spy by the
name of Vreeland who was imprisoned in Canada.
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How does this implicate the Israelis directly?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
16. Thousands of people made huge profits on American Airline and United
as a result of put stocks. Many of them were Israelis.
Source?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
17. It is true that in the last authentic interview with Carol Valentine OBL
denied having anything to do with 9/11?
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
That is a lot better TC. Here are the sources for both 4 and 5.
Quote:
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"Strive as in a race to achieve the
goal of excellence in all that you do.”
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Okay, so we have 5 Israelis cheering the terrorist act, and one who refused to
take a lie detector for 10 weeks.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Hey TC please hold that thought. I really want to be thorough and not miss
anything. Let me provide source for all that you asked me for so that we and
all who are following this will be on the same page. I want to be sure that my
foundation is true and accepted by you.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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Okey-dokey.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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Quote:
The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000
Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon at the time of the attack. (The headline and first sentence of the
Jerusalem Post article)
Jerusalem Post. (2001). Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon.
Sept. 12.
Quote:
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Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received
messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11
predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating
with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to
find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the
messages and immediately after the attack informed the company's
management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which
brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two
workers, who don't know the sender. .......And I don't know if our
information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover.
Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with
offices in Herzliya.
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Quote:
From the PGR (Mexican Department Of Justice) official web site comes an
interesting story.
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As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men, one of them a former Israeli
Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress
carrying 9mm pistols and dynamite, but were released following intense
pressure from the Israeli Embassy.
Quote:
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about
evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.
10/09/02 Windows Media File: Part 4 of the Carl Cameron story on the Israeli
Spies. This story reports on the penetration of US telephone systems by
Amdocs and Comverse Infosys, and shows how quickly the US Government
moved to cover it all up.
10/09/02 The Fox News story on the Israel Spy Ring Real Player - Part 3
10/09/02 The Fox News story on the Israel Spy Ring Real Player - Part 4
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OBL Denial:
Quote:
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killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act.
There exists a government within the government of the United States. That
secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.... The
United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons
who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam
and Christianity so that their own nation could survive.
- Osama Bin Laden (Source: BBC Interview with Carol Valentine)
Quote:
Remember right after the attacks when you couldn't watch TV for five
minutes without hearing somebody say "put option"? The 9/11 insider stock
trades got endless airplay on the major networks before Osama bin Laden
became fixed in the popular imagination, whereupon the media bent
themselves to the task of establishing his guilt. Still, even if Al Qaeda placed
the 4,744 suspicious transactions, wouldn't the story still be useful, if only to
further illuminate the terrorist network's money machine? Apparently not,
because the story didn't just fade away over time; it suddenly vanished. Once
in a while, a TV news anchorperson would assure us there had been "nothing
to" the rumors while failing to explain, if this was true, where the story had
come from or why it had gotten so such attention.
But conservative scandal-tracker Tom Flocco didn't give up on the hinky
stock trades. In a series of articles, he follows the money back to a bigwig in
the financial firm Deutsche Bank, who also was once executive director of
(surprise!) the CIA. Some might question Flocco's credibility as an
investigative reporter, I suppose -- although credibility in the news business
appears to be a dead letter anyway, if CNN could accidentally fabricate the
5,000 trades out of whole cloth to begin with.
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goal of excellence in all that you do.”
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General Gul:
Quote:
Search Result 2
From: Carlos cmsahe (cmsahe@excite.com)
Subject: Sep. 26, 2001, Interview with General Gul
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Date: 2001-10-19 16:45:53 PST
UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001, Interview with General
Gul
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A Usenet post....funny.....
....but proceed.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Hey TC please let me know if I miss anything or do you have any problems
with any of my sources.
I am a Muslim and it is time for me to pray. Please post your responses and I
will get back to you after my prayers.
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Hey it will only take me about a half hour to pray. We can continue
afterwards or do you want to pick up tomorrow evening as a preference to
you. It is OK with me but I will be posting sourced info as you requested.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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I have associated sources with all my previous statements made and
combined them. I have even added extra sources and comments to further
make my case. I still want you to confirm that the information is accurate and
the sources credible. I will start with the following:
Quote:
"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet
van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back
seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner
into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating
after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office
requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."
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2. 20/20 ABC News
June 21 — Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center
attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey
homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation
into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade
Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor
calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.
She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower
Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in
the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a
movie," Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade
Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the
expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy; you know … They
didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate
number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the
scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about
the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock.
Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the
van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men
identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
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According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they
had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" —
referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan
Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other
passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and
Omer Marmari.
The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn,
ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States
illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to
be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in
Washington put a hold on the case.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of
them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them
were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult.
One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks
— then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us
Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for
Israeli intelligence in another country…
From what the Israelis were saying to the cops, it is interesting how these
Israelis "knew" the next day after 9/11 that the ones responsible were the
Palestinians. How were they so sure? Then they proved to be liars anyway!
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10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11.
Sources:
Quote:
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2. On December 11, Fox News ran the first of a four-part series by Carl
Cameron that offered yet more evidence to support my contention that the
Israelis had some rather specific foreknowledge of the 9/11 atrocity. Citing
sources in law enforcement, Cameron dropped a bombshell:
"A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to
investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions
when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United
States… A highly placed investigator said there are – quote – 'tie-ins.' But
when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, – quote –
'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about
evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.
The detained Israelis, reported Cameron, had been part of a vast spy
operation that had very possibly been tracking the hijackers, and had both
the means and the opportunity to discover the terrorist plot. Over four
nights, he detailed extensive Israeli penetration of US defense and
government facilities revealed in the documents of a secret task force within
the government that has been collecting evidence on this case since the early
1990s.
"The biggest story of our time, of Israel spying on all branches of the
government, on all our intelligence agencies – in the CIA [Central
Intelligence Agency], the DEA and the White House itself, is not picked up
by the leading newspapers like the New York Times and the Washington
Post."
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came very close to the later perpetrators of September 11. In Hollywood,
Florida they located both of the former Hamburg students and later terrorist
pilots Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi as potential terrorists. Agents
settled down in immediate proximity of their apartment and observed the
seemingly normal flight school students around the clock."
So they were living next door to the terrorists, including the leader of the 9/11
hijackers, watching their every move – but didn't tell us what they were up to
until August, 2001. It is, of course, extremely difficult to prove the precise
role of a secretive, foreign intelligence organization, such as the Mossad, in a
terrorist act; they don’t brag about their exploits on the Internet. If indeed
they had foreknowledge of these murderous acts of terrorism – and then had
the cold-blooded mentality not to warn the United States because they saw a
horrendous massacre of thousands of Americans as good for Israel - it
follows that they would have felt no restraint from actually instigating and
covertly aiding this terrorist plan through their own agent provocateurs.
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6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC.
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area.
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths.
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Sources for the above statements are as follows:
Quote:
The day after the attack on the World Trade Center, the Jerusalem Post, the
most respected and famous Israeli newspaper in the world, reported that
4000 Israelis were missing in the attack on the WTC. The Foreign Ministry
compiled the number from Israeli relatives, who in the first few hours after
the attack, contacted the Israeli Foreign Ministry and gave the names of
Israeli friends and relatives who worked in the WTC or who had business
scheduled in it or its adjacent structures. Even without seeing the article in
the Jerusalem Post, logic alone would tell you that there would be many
hundreds, if not thousands of Israelis in the World Trade Center at the time
of the attacks. The international Jewish involvement in banking and finance
is legendary. For instance, two of the richest firms in New York are
Goldman-Sachs and the Solomon Brothers; and both firms have offices in the
Twin Towers. Many executives in these firms regularly commute back and
forth to Israel. New York is the center of world-wide Jewish financial power,
and the World Trade Center is at its epicenter. One would naturally expect
the Israeli death toll to be catastrophic. The Jerusalem Post certainly thought
so on September 12, 2001. Here is the beginning of its article:
The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000
Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and
the Pentagon at the time of the attack. (The headline and first sentence of
the Jerusalem Post article)
Searching through hundreds of articles trying to track down the true Israeli
death toll, I found a New York Times piece that clarified the precise number
of Israelis who died in the World Trade Center attack. It turned out that of
the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade Center,
129 of them were still alive. Only one Israeli had actually died. I was
incredulous. "Good God," I said to myself, "only one Israeli!" Here is the
pertinent excerpt from the NY Times:
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But interviews with many consulate officials Friday suggested that the lists
of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness. For
example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis feared
missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country on
Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks.
But Friday, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the
missing included reports from people who had called in because, for
instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from
Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as
dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on
business and who was identified and buried. (New York Times, Sept. 22)
The very low death toll of 130 suggested that a number of Israelis at the
Trade Center had been warned before the attack. When I found out the truth
that only one Israeli had died, there could be no doubt that there had been a
prior warning for many Israelis.
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8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
WTC attack 2 hours before it happened.
Source:
Quote:
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EDITION
www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?
itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the
messages and immediately after the attack informed the company's
management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which
brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two
workers, who don't know the sender. .......And I don't know if our
information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover.
Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with
offices in Herzliya.
But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that
workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office
in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two
hours prior to the first attack. (From the Washington Post's Newsbytes)
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Center. Secondly, there is clear confirmation that a company with offices in
both Israel and the WTC received warnings immediately prior to the attack.
Who would have warned Israelis of the impending attack, if not Israel's
Mossad? The fact that Israel's government had prior knowledge of the
pending attack and had warned potential Israeli victims, but then
deliberately let thousands of Americans die – makes the Israelis equally
responsible for the carnage.
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12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
Mexican congress.
Source:
Quote:
From the PGR (Mexican Department Of Justice) official web site comes an
interesting story.
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Mexico will investigate if Israelis were terrorists
-- They were armed with 9mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three
detonators and 58 bullets
-- They were detained by sugar industry workers in the Legislative Palace
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13. General Gul, who was the director General of the Pakistani Intelligence
Services and a close ally of America, said the following:
"Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits
from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and
four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic
controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m.
That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the
Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or
foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets
are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further
questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed
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to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who
could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like
the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?”
Source:
Quote:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Date: 2001-10-19 16:45:53 PST
UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001, Interview with General
Gul
What is key about General Gul is that he headed the ISI and had close
contacts with the CIA and Mossad. If anyone would know about a covert
operation, he would. In an interview conducted with Arnaud de Borchgrave
on September 14, 2001 for UPI he said the following:
Quote:
Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11
intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush
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Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10
minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN
said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of
disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and
put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people
from thinking for themselves.
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14. Many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada reported incidents of people
having foreknowledge of 9/11. One such incident is an American spy by the
name of Vreeland who was imprisoned in Canada.
Source:
Quote:
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A chilling sentence follows the list of targets, "Let one happen. Stop the
rest!!!"
When the envelope was opened on September 14th it set off alarms in the US
and Canada...
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15. The Washington Times ran a story on September 10, 2001 about a 68-page
study issued by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies
(SAMS). The study, issued by the elite Army officer’s school, detailed the
dangers of a possible U.S. Army occupational force in the Mideast. Here is
the article's comment about the study's view of the Israeli Mossad:
Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say:
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"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
The Mossad is the most ruthless terrorist organization in the entire world. It
is also one of the largest and most sophisticated intelligence organizations.
No other nation comes even close to its scope and power in the Mideast
region. It prides itself on infiltrating every sizable militant Palestinian and
Arabic organization on earth. Knowing these facts, there can be little doubt
the Mossad has deeply penetrated one of the oldest, largest and what is
considered the most dangerous Arabic terrorist organization on earth; bin
Laden's al-Qaida.
Furthermore, the FBI and the CIA have clearly stated that the attack on the
WTC and Pentagon was a huge covert operation using an international
network of at least a hundred terrorists, spanning three continents. Could
Mossad agents in al-Qaida as well as the rest of Mossad vast network of
thousands of infiltrators and informants, not have known about the most
extensive and ambitious terrorist operation in history?
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16. Thousands of people made huge profits on American Airline and United
as a result of put stocks. Many of them were Israelis.
This is common knowledge that have been reported extensively in the media
I will just quote what two sources wrote about this:
Quote:
1. Remember right after the attacks when you couldn't watch TV for five
minutes without hearing somebody say "put option"? The 9/11 insider stock
trades got endless airplay on the major networks before Osama bin Laden
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became fixed in the popular imagination, whereupon the media bent
themselves to the task of establishing his guilt. Still, even if Al Qaeda placed
the 4,744 suspicious transactions, wouldn't the story still be useful, if only to
further illuminate the terrorist network's money machine? Apparently not,
because the story didn't just fade away over time; it suddenly vanished. Once
in a while, a TV news anchorperson would assure us there had been "nothing
to" the rumors while failing to explain, if this was true, where the story had
come from or why it had gotten so such attention.
It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers
where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is probably
the closest link that can be established to someone who was involved in 9/11
but neither the FBI nor CIA is, apparently, pursuing this. Why? (A View
From Jerusalem, Israel, By Michael Shore)
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17. It is true that in the last authentic interview with Carol Valentine OBL
denied having anything to do with 9/11?
Source:
Quote:
SOURCE: http://www.public-action.com/9/11/oblintrv.html
(Source: BBC Monitoring Service)
==========================================
Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW
by Carol A. Valentine
October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a
Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In
this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the
United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no
knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women,
children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids
causing
harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is
forbidden even in the course of a battle.
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"Strive as in a race to achieve the
goal of excellence in all that you do.”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com
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Quote:
Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
Not only is this true of the Mossad but this seems to be a consistent pattern
for Jahcubites (Satanic Jews). They are very good at committing fraud and
setting up others to take the blame for their deeds. Here is an example of
what a Jewish Microbiologist responsible for the anthrax scare did. Notice
the details in his note in trying to implicate an Arab.
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Los Angeles, Alta California - 2/26/2002 - (ACN) Jewish microbiologist Dr.
Philip M. Zack may be behind the deadly anthrax contaminated letters that
were mailed to NBC's Tom Brokaw, Senator Tom Daschle and others,
according to FBI sources. In a rapidly unraveling investigation by the FBI, it
appears that the "Arab-hating-Jew" was behind a vile conspiracy to frame a
colleague who was born in Egypt and who worked, along with Dr. Zack, at
the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort
Detrick, Md.
La Voz de Aztlan has maintained from the beginning that the anthrax-laced
letters seemed contrived and were purposely written to make them appear
that they were coming from someone in the Islamic World. New information
just released by the FBI confirms our suspicions. On October 9, 2001 we
published "anthrax Terrorists may be Zionists" in which we outlined the
reasons for our suspicions and in addition reported on a letter we received
with a yellowish powder. On October 24, 2001 we published an editorial
"anthrax Letter Messages Seem Contrived" in which we commented on our
theory concerning the origin of the letters.
The case against Dr. Phillip M. Zack began unraveling when Egyptian-born
scientist Dr. Ayaad Assaad, now a U.S. citizen, was called in by the FBI for an
interview on October 2, 2001. The FBI had received an unsigned letter falsely
accusing Dr. Assaad of being responsible for mailing the anthrax tainted
letters. The letter stated, among other things, "Dr. Assaad is a potential
biological terrorist," and "I have worked with Dr. Assaad, and I heard him
say that he has a vendetta against the U.S. government and that if anything
happens to him, he told his sons to carry on."
The anonymous letter falsely accusing Dr. Assaad was sent a little after the
September 11 terrorist attacks but before anyone knew about the anthrax-
laced letters. On October 5, 2001, about 10 days after the anonymous letter
was mailed, Robert Stevens, Photo Editor of The Sun in Florida, became the
first of five individuals to die from an anthrax infection...
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{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
TC it is 3:57 AM in the morning where I am. I have to be at work for 7 AM. I
am going to get a few hours of sleep. Please respond and I will get back to
you later.
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What's the source of this Stock trade insider?
Who profited/
How much?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Even if he did say this, no doubt it's to cover his own ass.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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Did they bring the towers down by remote?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
However, it does fit my thesis that Israeli intelligence was tracking these
guys.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
The very low death toll of 130 suggested that a number of Israelis at the
Trade Center had been warned before the attack. When I found out the truth
that only one Israeli had died, there could be no doubt that there had been a
prior warning for many Israelis.
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Based on what? Wishful thinking?
It's impossible for 4000 people to not talk about an advance warning for 1
and a half years.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
No, we don't.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
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Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Disregarded.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Is Vreeland Mossad?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
How does this implicate the Mossad in the terrorist acts of 9/11?
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Who profited?
How much?
How so?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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You haven't detailed anything.
You have stated that the Mossad has used tricks in the past, much like every
other intelligence organization, as a historical precedent.
No good.
You have 5 guys getting arrested for cheering the incident and one refusing a
lie detector for 10 weeks.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
[Addendum, Oct. 7, 4 p.m. ET: Osama Bin Laden essentially claimed credit
for the Sept. 11 attacks in a statement recorded before Sunday's strikes on
Afghanistan. "America was hit by God in one of its softest spots," he said. "If
it continues with this policy [against Iraq and the PLO], the sons of Islam will
not stop their struggle."]
It is an article of faith in many Muslim countries that Israel was behind the
attack on the World Trade Center, with many citing as their evidence a "news
report" that 4,000 Israelis called in sick from their jobs at the World Trade
Center on Sept. 11. The allegation has now appeared on scores of Web sites
and bulletin boards, has been reproduced in e-mails too numerous to count,
and has run as fact in newspapers and news broadcasts in the Middle East.
Where did this charge originate, and what path did it take around the world?
First, a question begs: Where did the precise figure of 4,000 Israelis come
from? According to the Anti-Defamation League's Web site, on Sept. 11, the
Israeli Embassy released a statement expressing concern about the 4,000
Israeli nationals living in New York City—few of whom actually worked in
the World Trade Center. At press time, the embassy couldn't confirm this
statement.
According to Nexis and the Google search engine, the first mention of Israeli
involvement in the attacks came in a Sept. 17 report on Lebanon's Al-Manar
Television. The Los Angeles Times reports that the terrorist group Hezbollah
has free access to Al-Manar's airwaves, and the station's Web site claims that
the station exists to "stage an effective psychological warfare with the Zionist
enemy."
The next day at 6:26 a.m., the American Web site Information Times
published an article headlined "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On
Sept. 11," and credited it to an "AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative
Report." This was not the first time that Information Times had pointed the
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finger at Israel. The day after the attacks, it warned in an article that the
"terrorist government of Israel … cannot be ruled out" as a suspect.
Information Times purports to be edited by Syed Adeeb from the eighth floor
of the National Press Club at 549 15th St. NW, Washington, DC, 20045. The
Press Club says it has no such tenant and repeated messages sent to the e-
mail address for Syed Abeed listed on the site bounce back as undeliverable.
Directory assistance for Washington, D.C., has no listing for Information
Times.
The "4,000 Jews" page is easily forwarded as e-mail, and this may explain the
message's rapid dissemination.
2) Citing the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot, it alleges that Israeli secret
police prevented Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York
City on Sept. 11.
3) Citing the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, it alleges that the FBI arrested five
Israelis who were caught filming the WTC's smoking rubble from their office
building roof. (They were being held on the charge of "puzzling behavior.")
No other media outlet that can be searched through Nexis or Google has
confirmed the Information Times claims about Sharon and the five Israelis.
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be accessed here. On Sept. 21, the Chicago Tribune reported that a Pakistani
paper, which it did not name, had published a similar account. In his Sept. 23
Slate "Dispatch" from Islamabad, Peter Maass reported that a local pro-
Taliban politician repeated the 4,000 Jews claim at an anti-U.S. rally. On Sept.
26, Pakistan's Business Recorder printed the story about 4,000 Jews in
language almost identical to the original Al-Manar article as a letter to the
editor under the name "Hakeem." The same day, the New York Times
reported that the allegation had appeared in a newsletter published by an
Islamic charity and in lesson plans prepared by Egyptian middle-school
teachers. On Oct. 4, the Chicago Tribune spotted the allegation in a Saudi
paper, which it did not name. In the Oct. 8 issue of Time, Tim McGirk
reported from Pakistan that the story had swept through the country's
mosques and Urdu newspapers.
On Sept. 28, USA Today repeated the claim in the context that "Muslims the
world over" had tried to pin the attack on Israel. USA Today did not explain
the origin of the charge. The Village Voice did the same on Oct. 2. The hoax-
debunking site Snopes.com assailed the story, as well. With the Web as a
weapon, a lie spreads quickly and easily. With the Web as a corrective tool,
the same lie becomes much easier to bat away.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
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Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
-that the CIA is hiding foreknowledge of a terrorist attack, and is trying hide
its long relationship with Islamic radicals.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
No it’s welcome home 4,000. Have a seat and stick around for a while.
If you noticed I never used any of the sources you mentioned in my report
about the 4,000. I used the Jerusalem Post and quotes from an article in the
NY Times. I know your thinking. Although what other news sources around
the world may have reported were true, you would deny it with your
favorite subtle charge of “anti-Semitism”. I know you would not call the
Jerusalem Post anti-Semite. Before any newspaper in the world, the
Jerusalem Post reported the 4,000 number on September 12th one day after
9/11. Where did they get that number from? Please pay close attention. The
Foreign Ministry compiled the number from Israeli relatives, who in the
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first few hours after the attack, contacted the Israeli Foreign Ministry and
gave the names of Israeli friends and relatives who worked in the WTC or
who had business scheduled in it or its adjacent structures. No Arab or
other news source made that number up. It came straight from the horse’s
mouth.
When 9/11 first happened, the Israelis wanted world sympathy to also be on
them so that number was truthfully reported to show that they also suffered
with the Americans from the “terrorists” actions. Little did they know that
their truthful reporting was really going to turn out to be a noose around
their necks? With such a high number of Israelis expected in that area (from
Israeli sources like relatives, etc) the following revelation by Alon Pinkas,
Israel’s general consul turned out to be a shock:
Quote:
But Friday, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the
missing included reports from people who had called in because, for
instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from
Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as
dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on
business and who was identified and buried. (New York Times, Sept. 22)
Except for the one Israeli visitor who may not have been informed, no Israeli
was killed out of the 4,000 who were expected missing. Considering the
expected numbers of Israelis working in International banking firms like
Goldman Sachs, Solomon Brothers, etc. in the WTC and considering that
their numbers were significantly higher than people who were killed from
other nations like South Korea, Australia, Bangladesh and others, isn’t it just
peculiar that no Israeli died in the WTC attacks? Doesn’t that make you
wonder why??? Or do you blindly believe that God protected them because
they are his chosen people although the majority of them are atheistic
Marxists?
Any honest mind looking at these facts will conclude, “Well I don’t know for
sure but maybe, somehow the Israelis were warned ahead of time about
this.” But lookie lookie here there were two reports not from Arab
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newspapers, Russian newspapers or any other nation’s newspapers but from
good old Ha’aertz and the Washington Post that indeedy, yes sir buddy,
some Israelis were warned in N.Y. and in Israel 2 hours before the attack
took place.. Gee whiz how come it wasn't Iraqis who were warned? Here
again are some newsbytes from the stories from Ha’aertz and the
Washington Post:
Quote:
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Now this ain’t no Arab paper nor is it one a ‘dem’ anti-Semite papers
reporting this. This is straight from the holy Ha’aertz and the Washington
Post. Again why does it just happen to be Israelis who were warned? Why
wasn’t it Russians, Chinese, Africans, Saudis, Iraqis or some other nation?
Why do all of these circumstantial things surrounding 9/11 happen to
involve Israelis? I am sure if these facts were true about Iraq it would be front
paged news religiously known by EVERY American showing a definite tie of
Iraq to 9/11. Anyway it would be stronger than any of the nonsense Bush,
Powell and the U.S. government is trying to sell the world about Iraq’s
involvement with 9/11. After all these are the facts:
Let any of the above facts be true about Iraq. Let one and not all five be
true about Iraq and I bet the next week Iraq would be no more!
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
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What's the source of this Stock trade insider?
If people profited, how are they involved in 9/11?
The point made by Michael Shore in Jerusalem was: It was reported that an
unusually large amount of thousands of put stock options were purchased
on United and American airlines just before 9/11. You make money on put
options when the price of a stock goes down. There were also reports of
unusual stock transactions in Europe related to 9/11.
Mike Ward, PopMatters Columnist and Film Critic also reported: Still, even
if Al Qaeda placed the 4,744 suspicious transactions, wouldn't the story
still be useful, if only to further illuminate the terrorist network's money
machine? Apparently not, because the story didn't just fade away over
time; it suddenly vanished…Tom Flocco didn't give up on the hinky stock
trades. In a series of articles, he follows the money back to a bigwig in the
financial firm Deutsche Bank, who also was once executive director of
(surprise!) the CIA.
First of all the number of put stocks purchased were unusually high. How
did so many people on September 10, 2001 knew that American and United
Airlines stocks were going to take a dramatic drop in value the next day on
9/11? According to Mike Ward one of those people identified making money
on the put stocks happened to once be an executive director of the CIA. How
did he know that the stocks were going to drop in value to risk investing in
them?
Along with no inquiry into the identities of people investing in put stocks the
story was suddenly dropped. Very peculiar huh? I am sure if it was found
out that Al-Qaeda members made money on put stocks it would be front
page news. After all they and the Taliban were the ones in on this plot and
would be most likely to risk investing in put stocks. This is much the same
kind of thing that happened with the USS Liberty attacks and the Lavon
Affair where no investigation was done and the stories suddenly dropped
from mainstream media. What’s common about those stories, which I
suspect is common about the put stocks, is that besides the CIA, Israelis were
involved. Very suspicious isn’t it and I ask the same question as Michael
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Shore below:
It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers
where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is
probably the closest link that can be established to someone who was
involved in 9/11 but neither the FBI nor CIA is, apparently, pursuing this.
Why?
Quote:
Quote:
All excellent questions! The only thing I want from you is whether or not the
stories reported about them on ABC 20/20, the Bergen Record and other
sources were true.
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http://www.ascertainthetruth.com
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
I do have hard proof which was written about in the Ha’aertz and
Washington Post newspapers of Israelis being warned two hours before 9/11
actually took place. Regarding why just Israelis and not all Jews were
warned, you may want to ask that of whomever it was that sent the Odigo
warnings to the Israelis.
Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said
Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the
law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of
the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider,
and the actual sender of the original message.
Was the original sender found or did the focus on this just drop out of site as
all stories involving Israeli treachery does in our Zionist controlled media?
Don’t you think that knowing the source for the Odigo warnings is important
information? If you are really interested in knowing why only Israelis and
not American Jews were warned you should track this story down and do
some research into who sent the Odigo messages. Maybe then you will get an
answer.
Quote:
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How could 4000 people kept quiet about an advance warning?
It's impossible for 4000 people to not talk about an advance warning for 1
and a half years.
4000 people for one and a half years? That is nothing my man. Try millions of
Jews for hundreds of years! They have lived among Gentiles for hundreds of
years and have kept the following secrets:
Only a few out of the millions let the secret out. Brave Jews like Arthur
Koestler, who wrote the book The Thirteenth Tribe to expose the Khazar
history of the European Jews paid for it with his life and the life of his wife.
Also people like Benjamin Freedman, Ralph Schoenman, Maya Schone,
Norman Finkelstein and others are bravely exposing truths about the
holocaust and the other secrets of the transgressions of the Jahcubites. Oh,
and Israel Shahak who did nothing more than translate the Jewish
newspapers in Hebrew written in Israel into English so that English speaking
people can know what Jews are saying to each other at a time when there
was a blackout of the truth about Israel and the Palestinians in the U.S.
Although Jews lie to Gentiles they often tell the truth to each other. Professor
Israel Shahak was persecuted for his translations while there were millions
who knew the truth and kept it a secret from the Gentiles for several years.
4000 for one and a half years? Please, give me a break!!!!
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"Strive as in a race to achieve the
goal of excellence in all that you do.”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
The real question is what would have happened if the Israelis succeeded in
blowing up the Mexican Congress? This would have been another act
blamed on Al-Qaeda and Muslim terrorists. It just so happen that the Israelis
were caught and found to be members of the Mossad. As in the Lavon Affair
and the USS Liberty event this serves as more consistent evidence to show
the pattern of Mossad deception even after 9/11. As usual the media buried
this story and the Israelis were quickly deported to Israel. Oh boy what a
party the media would have had if these men were Muslims.
Quote:
Is Vreeland Mossad?
Was he involved in the attack?
Along with the CIA director that made a killing on put stocks, General Gul’s
admission about Mossad involvement, Vreeland as a member of the
intelligence community knew about 9/11 and proved it. This proves without
a doubt that the CIA knew about the attacks before they happened. If that’s
true then the 20,000 Afghans who were killed as a result 9/11, actually was
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murder of innocent people who were set up by those who were truly guilty.
Vreeland was not a high ranking member of the intelligence community and
he knew. From that alone I bet that many more CIA members knew. I find
the following interesting and wonder if there is any connection:
Quote:
A chilling sentence follows the list of targets, "Let one happen. Stop the
rest!!!"
When the envelope was opened on September 14th it set off alarms in the US
and Canada...
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A manager there advised the police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed
backed up to the dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed
a freshly dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the Dumpster, according to
police. The manager confronted the vehicle's operator, a Middle Eastern man,
police said.
The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias, 30, denied that he
did anything and fled the scene, heading west on West Ridge Pike... The
manager was able to provide township police with the Florida registration
number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted on the side of the
vehicle read "Moving Systems Incorporated" police said…
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
I hold that the Mossad did not commit the terrorist acts against the USA on
9/11.
I personally feel that they had been tracking the actual terrorists, and had
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some knowledge (the depth of which we certainly don't know today) that a
strike was in the works.
You said nothing about the CIA. But granted I think this is something we
have partial agreement on because my thesis is that there is enough evidence
to show that the Mossad and crooked elements in our government were
involved with 9/11.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
1. Israelis were caught celebrating and photographing each other while the
WTC was burning and going down in a rubble. (true)
2. The men belonged to an Israeli company named Urban Moving Systems.
(true)
3. The owner of the company Dominik Suter immediately fled to Israel (true)
4. After refusing lie detector tests for several weeks when taken each of the
Israelis failed the lie detector tests. (true but it was only one who waited
several weeks)
5. Under suspicious circumstances the Israelis were deported to Israel (true)
6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC. (true)
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area. (true)
8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
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WTC attack 2 hours before it happened. (true)
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths. (true)
10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11. (true)
11. In the van belonging to Urban Moving Systems maps were found that the
FBI says showed the Israelis had a definite involvement with 9/11. (true)
12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
Mexican congress. (true)
13. General Gul, who was the director General of the Pakistani Intelligence
Services and a close ally of America, said the following: "Mossad and its
American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime?
The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are
diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the
alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a
small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars
are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification --
challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly
scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This
was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a
nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have
been? Will that also be hushed up in
the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy
assassination? (Likely but you don’t accept the source)
14. Many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada reported incidents of people
having foreknowledge of 9/11. One such incident is an American spy by the
name of Vreeland who was imprisoned in Canada. (true)
15.The Washington Times ran a story on September 10, 2001 about a 68-page
study issued by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies
(SAMS). The study, issued by the elite Army officer’s school, detailed the
dangers of a possible U.S. Army occupational force in the Mideast. Here is
the article's comment about the study's view of the Israeli Mossad:
Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." (true)
16. Thousands of people made huge profits on American Airline and United
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as a result of put stocks. Many of them were Israelis. (true)
17. It is true that in the last authentic interview with Carol Valentine OBL
denied having anything to do with 9/11? (true)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
While waiting on your response TC, I would like to go ahead by debunking
some of the popular myths about 9/11. I will start with excerpts from an
article written by Michael Shore in Jerusalem on January 1, 2002 titled, A
View From Jerusalem, Israel.
Quote:
There are so many amazing possibilities to the true story of what really
happened and who is the real mastermind behind 9/11, that some sort of
independent peoples' committee (like that which revealed the TWA 800
cover-up - ed) should be set up to investigate all the facts and questions that
have never been answered since the horrific attacks on 9/11. This peoples'
committee could be made up of intelligent independent citizens who have no
connection to anyone in the U.S. government. Here is a list of some of the
questions that might be answered with such an inquiry.
2. It was reported that none of the names of the so-called Arab terrorists were
on any of the passenger lists of any of the four planes involved in 9/11. Plus,
the FBI and CIA with all their multi-billion dollar budgets claimed that they
had no prior information that a "terrorist" act of this magnitude was about to
happen. Yet within 48 hours, the FBI and CIA somehow managed to produce
the pictures and names of 19 Arabs who were supposedly the "terrorists" on
the planes, even though none of their names were on ANY of the passenger
lists. How did they know? Just because you had an Arab name, they were
able to determine that you were a "terrorist" on the planes? Plus, you may
recall, when the names of the "terrorists" were first released to the press,
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there were reports in the media that some of the passports which the
"terrorists" were using may have been stolen and the real names of the
"terrorists" may have been different than the names released to the media.
3. It was reported that a number of passengers were able to make cell phone
calls from the planes that were supposedly hijacked. You'll see why I used
the term "supposedly hijacked" in number 4. It was also reported by some
sources that these reported cell calls never showed up on the cell phone
company billings. Why are hijackers letting anyone on the planes make cell
phone calls to people on the ground? Can you remember any other hijacked
airplane incident where people were making cell phone calls? Can you easily
make cell phone calls from a plane that is 35,000 feet high and hundreds of
miles away from your cell phone provider?
It was reported that the black boxes from the planes, which record
conversations between the pilot and ground control, were all either
destroyed or the conversations on recovered black boxes could not be
released for some ridiculous reason. Number one, black boxes are built to
survive the worst fiery plane crashes. By not releasing the black box
communications and data, we cannot know what is really happening in the
cockpit or on the aircraft and who is flying those planes. Additionally, there
had to be some communication between the pilots and someone in the
control towers. Yet no air traffic controller was interviewed to talk about their
conversations with the pilots during the course of the "hijackings."
So, the only communication we are told about is some supposed cell phone
conversations of a few passengers and a flight attendant on the planes. The
only cockpit sounds that are released to the public are a few seconds of what
we are told is a scuffle between passengers and hijackers in the cockpit of
flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. It is extremely important that any
black box communication between the pilots and ground control be heard, if
it still exists. This is probably the most important available part of the
mystery in the puzzle. (To date, FBI Director Mueller refuses to release black
box recordings saying they might impede the investigation and that they are
too horrible for people to hear, especially family members. -ed)
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the future, we must strengthen the cockpit doors and further the
development of a new technology whereby a pilot on the ground can take
over the controls of a hijacked aircraft and fly the plane, and land the plane,
at a designated airport. Bush was referring to this technology being
developed sometime in the future when he knew that this technology has
been under development for many years and exists now!
In April 2001, a pilotless plane flew from the US to Australia and back to the
U.S. Boeing has under development a pilotless fighter plane, whose final test
was set for December 2001. With these new planes, you won't have to have
live fighter pilots risking their lives in war. Plus it will save huge amounts of
money training fighter pilots, which currently costs two to three million
dollars, each pilot. So what does all this mean?
It means that the "Global Hawk" pilotless plane technology that Bush
talked about already exists and could have been used in the 9/11 events.
Guess how many planes one trained pilot can fly sitting in front of his
computer screens? Four. How many planes were involved in 9/11? Four.
And according to a conference of professional commercial airline pilots,
the supposed Arab "hijackers" could not have flown those planes at all, or
as well as they were flown, if they only attended the flight schools that
were reported in the news.
So, let's look at how all the above could might into play. None of the
supposed Arab "terrorist" names were on any of the passenger flight lists and
the U.S. government, within 48 hours, shows us pictures of 19 Arab
"terrorists" - even though the FBI and CIA said they had no prior information
that the 9/11 event could happen. You really don't need any live pilots in the
cockpit to fly any of the four planes. They could all be flown by one very
well-trained pilot using Global Hawk technology from somewhere on the
ground.
Therefore, the 19 Arab "hijackers" didn't even need to board the planes. You
didn't even need "hijackers." All you need is 'Global Hawk' technology to
take over control of the aircraft from the ground. By the US government
refusing to release any of the pilot-to-ground control communication from
the (allegedly destroyed) black boxes in the aircraft, the US government
blacks out any conversation from the "hijacked" airline pilots possibly telling
the control tower that the flight controls of their planes had been taken over.
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You might ask, what happened to the fourth plane, Flight 93? According to
one theory, Global Hawk technology malfunctioned on Flight 93. Somehow
the pilots onboard were able to regain control of their aircraft. If Flight 93
lands safely on the ground, the secret of what was really happening on all
four planes would be revealed. A back-up plan had to be implemented.
Flight 93 was then supposedly shot down by a US military jets. There are
verifiable facts to substantiate this possibility. There were a number of eye
witnesses who claimed to have seen flight 93 explode before it fell to the
ground. These eye witnesses also saw a military jet in the sky near the crash
site. Plus, there were reports of a small white private plane circling the crash
site immediately after the crash - even though all private aircraft were
supposed to be grounded at the time. Aircraft debris from flight 93 was
strewn over an area six to eight miles from the crash site, which would be
impossible, if as the government said that some passengers fought with the
hijackers and intentionally crashed the plane to prevent the plane from
hitting another terrorist target. Explaining how metal parts and other debris
flew through the air and landed six to eight miles from the crash site, without
there being an explosion in the air before the plane crashed to the ground,
would be very hard for the government to do...Plus if the passengers did
overtake the hijackers, why would they want to crash the plane? Couldn't the
real flight 93 pilots fly the plane and land it safely?
Now comes the hero story from the government. This story is used to supply
all the answers to all the questions about what happened on Flight 93 and to
avoid any further inquiry by a gullible American public that accepts most
anything their government officials say is truth. As George Bush, Sr. was
quoted as saying: "Don't confuse people with the truth."
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conditions? If you think Bin Laden could have done this sitting in some cave
in Afghanistan - think again. The only people who could have pulled this one
off are high-ranking government officials who were part of the plan of the
real "Mastermind" behind the attacks.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
More Debunking!
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/bushknew/milschool.html
Air Force Officer Disciplined for Saying
Bush Allowed September 11 Attacks
By Jerry Isaacs
21 June 2002
Universally ignored by the press, however, was that the officer was not
merely expressing a personal opinion. He was in a position to have direct
knowledge of contacts between the US military and some of the hijackers in
the period before the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center
and damaged the Pentagon.
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Lieutenant Colonel Butler, who wrote in a letter to the editor of the Monterey
County Herald charging that "Bush knew about the impending attacks," was
vice chancellor for student affairs at the Defense Language Institute in
Monterey, California - a US military facility that one or more of the hijackers
reportedly attended during the 1990s.
"Of course President Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He
did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on
terrorism. His daddy had Saddam and he needed Osama. His presidency
was going nowhere. He wasn't elected by the American people, but placed in
the Oval Office by a conservative supreme court. The economy was sliding
into the usual Republican pits and he needed something on which to hang
his presidency.... This guy is a joke. What is sleazy and contemptible is the
President of the United States not telling the American people what he
knows for political gain."
The letter provoked immediate retaliation against the 24-year Air Force
veteran. Butler was transferred from the Monterey installation and
threatened with court martial under Article 88 of the military code, which
prohibits officers from publicly using "contemptuous words" against the
president and other officials.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
The latest information to come out is that Stanley Hilton who was Bob Dole's
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Chief of Staff, a Harvard Graduate and schoolmate of Paul Wolfowitz is
representing 400 families suing Bush for Engineering 9/11. This ain't no pie in
the sky empty headed light weight. This was a key leader of the Republican
Party making these claims. The lawsuit was filed last May and Mr. Hilton
claims that he has definite evidence showing that the Bush Cabal Engineered
9/11. I will post part of the interview below but when you read it lo and
behold guess which country's secret service agency is mentioned. No,
dummy not Iraq's! No, not Iran's! I will give you one more try. Gee whiz get
a brain in your head it is not North Korea! It is the Mossad. The following is a
brief excerpt from the interview but the whole interview can be found here
Quote:
AJ: He has a busy schedule. He’s been in court, all last week and all this
week. We had him on about a year ago. He’s Stanley Hilton. He was brutally
attacked by the big government pimps Hannity and Colmes. He was a senior
advisor for Bob Dole, counsel for Bob Dole and others in the Republican
Party. He’s an expert on government-sponsored terrorism and has written a
book about it, throughout history. And he now has new revelations never
before revealed from his depositions of witnesses involved in and around
9/11. He represents over 400 of the victims of 9/11’s families and he has been
given almost no attention. While some of the other groups headed by well-
known PR bureaucrats, we’ve had them on the show, as well, are trying to
suppress this information. Joining us is Stanley Hilton. We are honored to
have you on the show Stanley.
AJ: Tell us just a little bit about yourself, your lawsuit; recap what we
covered last year and in the last year. Tell us what’s developed with the
lawsuit and the new revelations that you told me about on the phone.
SH: Well, we filed the lawsuit last May against Bush and Cheney and
Rumsfeld and several other of the rest of the terrorists that run the U.S.
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government for complicity in causing and also in aiding and abetting the 9/11
attacks, in order to promote their political agenda. And, we are in the
process, you know these lawsuits, they come and they go in terms of level of
activity. And most of it is done, you know, in confidential, called discovery,
litigation that is depositions under oath, battles in court to get documents.
We are facing very strong resistance from the government. They are claiming
national security over everything. They claim they don’t want to release
documents, etc. But I represent the people who were victimized by what the
government did. I’m also challenging the constitutionality of the so-called
USA PATRIOT Act, they call it; the anti-patriot act is what I call it. And
Patriot Act I and II, with II in the wings, which the government plans to
introduce this year, which will be even more severe than Patriot Act I. And
this new one, Patriot Act II, they are going to give Bush the right to declare
any American citizen a “enemy combatant” arbitrarily. And then take away
your citizenship. This will give the government the power to literally strip
any American of citizenship if Bush says you’re an enemy combatant, i.e.:
political opponent of the government. So anyway, we saw some very
interesting documents and memoranda, including several of those advisors
around Bush, namely Wolfowitz, Wormser, Feith, Perle, the rest of them.
And they actually wrote these memos several months before 9/11, in which
they fervently wished for a “Pearl Harbor type incident” to give them the
shock value that would enable them to ramp through their agenda.
AJ: And this you told me last week before this was on ABC News that you
have gotten some of this information through depositions and some other
little tidbits that haven’t been disclosed. But also, you talked about how you
deposed; you got the marriage certificates, the evidence, and the photographs
– a woman who was married to one of the hijackers. You talked to what you
said were six or eight people who were connected to them. And then we
have the news articles where the FBI gave them homes, paid their rent,
followed them around. We know Israel was involved in similar things. Can
you speak to that please?
SH: Yes, I do have a witness who was married, she’s an American woman,
but she was married to one of the hijackers and she knew about seven of
them. She met seven of them. Essentially these Arab hijackers were double
agents. That is, they were operating inside the U.S. for ten to fifteen years in
“cells”. Some of them used the term al Qaeda, they’ve used other terms. Al
Qaeda is just a word. That means nothing. You could call them the Muslim
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Brotherhood, the Army of God; they go by all sorts of names. But what they
are is a series of cells that have been aided and abetted by the U.S.
Government. This woman was involved also, married to him at the time of
the 1993 World Trade Center first bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing
when her “ex-husband” actually traveled to Oklahoma City several weeks
before the bombings. And they were involved, apparently, in that.
But what we have here is double agents. In that they nominally appear to
be Arab fanatics. But one of the points that she stressed is they are really
not Muslims. They are more interested in Playboy than in the Koran. I
mean these people drink. They are very secular. They are not the fanatical
Muslim zealots that the Bush criminals would lead us to believe is what’s
operating here. What they are is they receive regular payments from the U.S.
Government. They have been recruited by the CIA, FBI, counter-intelligence,
and so-forth and paid money and allowed to exchange information with U.S.
government agents about various activities going on and....
AJ: Let me stop you right there Mr. Hilton. Everything you said was already
backed up by mainstream reports. You’ve gotten it now, in sworn testimony
in depositions under oath. But something that everybody wants to ignore is
that three of the hijackers, at least, were trained at Pensacola Naval Air
Station not at a local airfield – on the base, by the government, at least. Now
we find out that eight of the hijackers under names we heard are still alive in
the Middle East, on television doing interviews. You know, their faces, their
names, same people. We have then Mohamed Atta being sent over to the
Defense Language School at Monterrey. You talked to Steven Butler.
SH: Yeah........
Please click on the link above and read the whole thing. Believe me it is well
worth it for EVERY American to do!
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Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
Quote:
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Mandela repudiated and apologized for his former, controversial statement
holding Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda responsible for the attacks, as "one-
sided and over-stated." He said he would be arranging meetings with
Muslim leaders in South Africa to personally convey this message"called by
News24 a "highly unusual" reversal of view by the most widely respected of
African leaders. "We are also writing to President Bush," Mandela
announced, "to appropriately qualify the view we previously expressed to
him in person and in correspondence.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
According to people like Dick Eastman and others there were four goals that
the 9/11 attacks were meant to accomplish. The four goals were:
1. Gain control of $6 trillion worth of oil and natural gas in central Asia. This
oil is associated with the Caspian Sea and the countries surrounding it where
pipelines are to be laid.
3. Allow certain people to profit from the opium trade of the Northern
Alliance drug lords and the money-laundering through global investment
channels that the opium trade and the derivative heroin trade supports. If
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you noticed that during the rule of the Taliban the opium trade nearly
disappeared. As soon as the Northern Alliance were put back into power the
trade picked up again.
4. Clear people arraigned before a grand jury on charges of fixing gold prices,
illegal involvement in oil swaps between Kazakhstan and (sanctioned) Iran,
and bribery in cases where all incriminating documentary evidence was
stored in FBI files and data banks in one of the twin towers of the WTC.
Analysis:
Goals 3 and 4 are also successful. Opium production has increased as a result
of eliminating the Taliban and Alan Greenspan and others are not being
implicated for any money scams. Recently it has been reported that
Afghanistan has recaptured the title as the world's number one Opium
producer. Goal 2 although accomplished did not achieve the results
expected.
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The fallout the Israelis are receiving may be less than what was expected by
them. They felt that the 9/11 attacks would so enrage Americans and the
world that everyone will be in an uproar and would support whatever
heinous actions the Israelis would do against the Palestinian "terrorists."
Except for the Christian Zionists and ignorant, uninformed Americans the
world has joined in unison to condemn them. In the court of world opinion
the Israelis are no better off today than they were before the 9/11 attacks and
the condemnation in Durban, South Africa of Zionism as racism. So yes they
got their invasion into the Palestinian territory but they are still seen as being
ugly to the rest of the world.
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The average American will view the massacres as necessary killings of
"Moslem terrorists".
Along with the above there is also the request for inquiry into the 9/11 attacks
by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney from Georgia. She claims that
corporations close to the Bush administration like the Carlyle Group, may
have benefited from the 9/11 attacks and Bush's "never ending war on
terrorism". Bush's father is a member of the Carlyle Group and among other
things the Carlyle Group is in the weapons industry. As a result of her
request for an "inquiry" she has come under the most vehement attacks from
Government figures and the press. But surprisingly a lot of people have come
to her aid. But alas she was defeated in her bid for re-election last August by
her AIPAC supported opponent. So as a present brave voice in government,
hers has been stilled.
The past developments implicating Bush having prior knowledge of the 9/11
attacks is very interesting. I agree with many that this may be a black mail
scare tactic by the Jews against Bush. Although quite complacent with most
of their plans, Bush may not have been complacent with ALL of the Israeli
plans. We also see that after his last speech blaming the Palestinians and
demanding a new leader that the "noise" about Bush's involvement with 9/11
died out. This has played out very well for Bush. He is portrayed in the most
positive way in the media and indeed he is considered to be a very popular
president. The November wins by a majority of Republicans are being
credited by many to Bush. It seems that as long as Bush follows the whims of
his Israeli masters things will go well for him and the Republican party.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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Wow!
Still absolutely nothing about the terrorist attack except that it was done by
remote control!
Are you gonna give us a timeline on what happened that day or not?
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
4,000 Israelis did not work in the WTC.....it was the estimated amount of
Israelis in the general vicinity.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
If true about the stocks, since it hasn't been verified, how does this tell us that
the Mossad committed the acts, when it seems to implicate not them, but the
CIA?
As for your general, he is not an objective source, even if he did say that,
since he's ISI.
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We all know the ISI's relations to Al-Qaida and the Taliban.
His words are for public consumption to protect the ISI, and by accusing
others, he only placates his constituency.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
It's ridiculous.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
Along with the CIA director that made a killing on put stocks, General Gul’s
admission about Mossad involvement, Vreeland as a member of the
intelligence community knew about 9/11 and proved it. This proves without
a doubt that the CIA knew about the attacks before they happened. If that’s
true the 20,000 Afghans who were killed for 9/11 was murder of innocent
people who were set up by those who were truly guilty. Vreeland was not a
high ranking member of the intelligence community and he knew. From that
alone I bet that many more CIA members knew. I find the following
interesting and wonder if there is any connection:
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
In all your responses I see nothing but condemnation and judgment calls. No
shred of information old or new to combat any of the painstaking detailed
information I presented. I provided mainstream sources for the information I
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presented and you have yet to present another source other than the bogus
one calling the 4000 number a hoax.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
1. Israelis were caught celebrating and photographing each other while the
WTC was burning and going down in a rubble. (true)
2. The men belonged to an Israeli company named Urban Moving Systems.
(true)
3. The owner of the company Dominik Suter immediately fled to Israel (true)
4. After refusing lie detector tests for several weeks when taken each of the
Israelis failed the lie detector tests. (true but it was only one who waited
several weeks)
5. Under suspicious circumstances the Israelis were deported to Israel (true)
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6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC. (true)
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area. (true)
8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
WTC attack 2 hours before it happened. (true)
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths. (true)
10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11. (true)
11. In the van belonging to Urban moving maps were found that the FBI says
showed the Israelis had a definite involvement with 9/11. (true)
12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
Mexican congress. (true)
13. General Gul, who was the director General of the Pakistani Intelligence
Services and a close ally of America, said the following: "Mossad and its
American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime?
The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are
diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the
alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a
small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars
are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification --
challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly
scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This
was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a
nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have
been? Will that also be hushed up in
the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy
assassination? (Likely but you don’t accept the source)
14. Many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada reported incidents of people
having foreknowledge of 9/11. One such incident is an American spy by the
name of Vreeland who was imprisoned in Canada. (true)
15.The Washington Times ran a story on September 10, 2001 about a 68-page
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study issued by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies
(SAMS). The study, issued by the elite Army officer’s school, detailed the
dangers of a possible U.S. Army occupational force in the Mideast. Here is
the article's comment about the study's view of the Israeli Mossad:
Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." (true)
16. Thousands of people made huge profits on American Airline and United
as a result of put stocks. Many of them were Israelis. (true)
17. It is true that in the last authentic interview with Carol Valentine OBL
denied having anything to do with 9/11? (true)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
It's ridiculous.
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Again, you go off on a tangent, relying on a notorious anti-Jew site.
After one full day of no response is this the best you can do or is this tactic
from your book of tricks? When you have nothing of substance to bring to
the debate, squeal like a pig!!! (BTW, what is a notorious anti-Jew site?)
Well for someone squealing so loud where is your proof to back up what you
say or are we just supposed to believe your statements because you said so.
Prove that it is utter crap, ridiculous, etc. Show us your research and
scholarly insights that could refute my arguments. Of course you don’t have
anything so squealing like a pig is all you are left with. I am impressed and it
only took you a whole day to come up with that.
Quote:
Wow!
Still absolutely nothing about the terrorist attack except that it was done by
remote control!
Are you gonna give us a timeline on what happened that day or not?
Please! Give up trying to dictate how I should present my case. Rather focus
on doing some research to prove me wrong. But again when you have
nothing you grab at straws!
It's up to you to prove that the Mossad committed the acts on 9/11.
So, to prove that they did, please give us a timeline of what happened that
day, how the acts were committed, and who committed them.
So far all we have are 5 Israelis from an Israeli moving company that were
caught cheering the towers coming down.
That's it.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
So far all we have are 5 Israelis from an Israeli moving company that were
caught cheering the towers coming down.
That's it.
I give you the all time record for avoiding the issue and avoiding simple true
or false questions. What are you afraid of? If you want me to prove
something just answer true or false to the questions I am going to list. It ain't
going to hurt you. I will make it easy for you. For the facts I list you don't
have to refute all of them just half if you disagree. OK the number is 17, I
will make it 8 facts. Show me, and all who are watching, with convincing
knowledge that they are not true. If not, and all I get is more pig squealing
and dictates on how I should prove the point you want me to make, I will
take it as your acceptance of the facts I presented. It's time to put up or shut
up! The spot light is on you my friend. No refutation with facts and source
will mean that the facts I list are true. You have been dutifully notified.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
For the umpteenth time, please answer. I will give you as much time as you
need.
1. Israelis were caught celebrating and photographing each other while the
WTC was burning and going down in a rubble. (true)
2. The men belonged to an Israeli company named Urban Moving Systems.
(true)
3. The owner of the company Dominik Suter immediately fled to Israel (true)
4. After refusing lie detector tests for several weeks when taken each of the
Israelis failed the lie detector tests. (true but it was only one who waited
several weeks)
5. Under suspicious circumstances the Israelis were deported to Israel (true)
6. There were thousands of Israelis working in the WTC in high tech and
high level jobs and executive positions primarily in international finance,
banking and stock trading. There were several Israeli firms at the WTC. (true)
7. The Foreign Ministry of Israel received the names of 4000 Israelis believed
to be working in the WTC area. (true)
8. Two employees of the Israeli company Odigo had prior warnings of the
WTC attack 2 hours before it happened. (true)
9. Initially President Bush reported that 130 Israelis got killed at the WTC but
after final analysis it was found out that it was only one. Whereas other
nations that had less employees working at the WTC had greater number of
deaths. (true)
10. There was a huge Israeli spy ring working in the U.S. and the authorities
arrested many of them. The authorities in the DEA are on record stating that
they believe this spy ring (art students) had something to do with 9/11. (true)
11. In the van belonging to Urban moving maps were found that the FBI says
showed the Israelis had a definite involvement with 9/11. (true)
12. Israelis were caught on October 10, 2001 with explosives on them at the
How can you discuss 9/11 without discussing the planning, and the actions?
Flag me when you want to seriously discuss the actual events of 9/11.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Thanks for accepting the 17 facts I presented as true! I knew you couldn't
refute them. They were well presented and the sources quoted were
impeccable.
Quote:
Israel: A nation that spies on America and sells our secrets to our worst
enemies
Some of the enormously sensitive secrets stolen by Pollard may have been
either sold, or bartered, by Israel to the Soviet Union.
A number of key CIA agents in the East Bloc were allegedly executed as a
result of Pollard's spying. The KGB likely gained access to top-secret U.S.
codes - either directly from Israel, or through spies in Israel's government. In
short, Pollard's treachery caused one of the worst security disasters in
modern U.S. history…
So, Israel, which receives billions of American aid, has treacherously spied on
and harmed the very security of the United States. To further demonstrate
their contempt for us, they even bartered the top secret information they had
stolen from us – to America's worst enemies. Even after Israel's public
relations apologies for the Pollard spying, it has continued to spy on us. The
Los Angeles Times in 1997 reported that an American Jew named David A.
Tenenbaum “admitted to divulging secrets to Israel.”To quote the Los
Angeles Times, “A civilian engineer working at an Army command facility
near Detroit has admitted divulging classified military information to Israeli
officials over the last 10 years.”
Even after Israel proved its willingness to spy on us and critically damage
America’s intelligence operations, President Clinton appointed a dedicated,
Zionist Jew to Chairman of the National Security Council, the highest
intelligence position in the White House. Even the Israeli daily Maariv
referred to Berger as a “warm Jew,” meaning that he is devoted to Israel first.
The fact that Israel could commit these outrages against the United States
without suffering scathing media attacks or even the end of aid to Israel
shows their extreme power over us and the treason that reaches into the
highest echelons of the American establishment. It is no wonder that Ariel
Sharon could make the following statement to Simon Peres when he
suggested that Israel might lose American aid if it did not pull back recent
Israeli incursions. Sharon responded:
Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do
that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about
American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and
the Americans know it. ---Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
It is not only Jonathan Pollard who has committed treason against America.
All those in the American government who would continue to monetarily
and militarily support a foreign nation that spies on us and severely damages
our intelligence operations (along with causing the deaths of American
agents) have committed treason against the United States of America. In
response to these ongoing acts of treachery against the United States, a truly
patriotic American Government would have (at the very least) ended our
support for Israel. Supporting a foreign nation after it willfully commits such
acts of treachery against America is nothing less than treason.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
The above post also mentioned: Even after Israel proved its willingness to
spy on us and critically damage America’s intelligence operations,
President Clinton appointed a dedicated, Zionist Jew to Chairman of the
National Security Council, the highest intelligence position in the White
House. Even the Israeli daily Maariv referred to Berger as a “warm Jew,”
meaning that he is devoted to Israel first. Appointing Berger as National
Security Council chief after the Pollard Spy Case is pure insanity.
The fact that Israel could commit these outrages against the United States
without suffering scathing media attacks or even the end of aid to Israel,
shows their extreme power over us and the treason that reaches into the
highest echelons of the American establishment…
Along with all the evidence presented showing Israeli Mossad spy activities
and “tie-ins” to 9/11 as so readily agreed to by thoughtcriminal, it must
boggle the mind as to how the Americans can be so docile and allow and
even reward Israel for its treacherous actions against the United States. Why
don’t the American people rise up and remove this cancer from their midst?
The reason why this don’t happen can also be seen in the time of Christ. One
word explains it. Propaganda. Through propaganda Jesus was crucified and
the masses of people were made to believe that he was an enemy and threat
to them. Today this same tactic is being used to keep the American people
docile and fully in support of Israel despite all the treacherous actions Israel
has taken against us. It’s like a one-two punch on the American people with
the second punch coming from the media to knock the American people’s
brains out. The ones who control the propaganda in the U.S. are the same
Quote:
Neil Shapiro is the president of NBC News. Jeffrey Zucker is the head of
NBC
Entertainment and Jack Myers has some important post there, as well.
Walter Issacson is the News Director of CNN which also has Wolf Blitzer,
host of
Late Edition, Larry King of Larry King Live, Paula Zahn, and Andrea
Koppel,
Ted's daughter.
Joel Klein is chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations, the largest
Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. publishes the NY Times, the Boston Globe and a host
of
other publications.
Donald Graham, Jr. is the chair and CEO of Newsweek and the Washington
Post.
Ron Rosenthal is the Managing Editor of the SF Chronicle and Phil Bronstein
is
the Executive Editor.
There are a number of widely syndicated talk show hosts such as Michael
Savage
(ABC) on more than 100 stations, Michael Medved, 124 stations, and Dennis
Prager
who has an Israeli flag on his website. Others include Ron Owens, Ben
Wattenberg, and former ZOA official Jon Rothman, all in San Francisco on
ABC.
For the intellectuals, we have NPR, with pundit Daniel Schorr and weekend
hosts
Scott Simon and Liane Hansen, Robert Segal, Susan Stanberg, Eric Weiner,
Daniel
Lev, Linda Gradstein (a well-known speaker at pro-Israel events) covering
Jerusalem, Mike Schuster (whose soft-ball interview with Ariel Sharon after
And that's just for starters. From the boss to the delivery it's an impressive
list. While they certainly can't be put in the same box when it comes to Israel,
they more or less guarantee that there will be limits to any criticism they may
make of Israel".
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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Rebuttal...I will be glad to see that. I hope it will be with references and
legitimate sources and not just a bunch of pig squealing or believe it because
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When you finish presenting your case that asserts that the Mossad committed
9/11, I will address your points.
When you lay out the events of the day, and conclude the whole thing, then I
will begun my rebuttal.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
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Thoughtcriminal please! Let's don't play this childish game again. You have
not answer the same questions I have asked you for umpteenth times and
you truly believe I will reciprocate and answer yours. What world are you
living in my friend? I am fully capable of making my case without your
prodding. Just be patient!
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If you show it was Mossad that committed the acts, I will graciously concede.
I'll be waiting.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
Marcus Eli Ravage the authentic Jewish Biographer for the Rothschild Family
wrote in an article in The Century Magazine, January 1928, volume 115, No.
3. pp 346-350 about the influence of the Jews on the gentiles:
Quote:
This amounts to an admission. Now Mr. Ravage was no light weight. He was
the authentic Jewish Biographer for the most powerful financial dynasty in
“Zionist influence began to gain momentum during WWI in Europe. The first
two years of the war were basically a series of pitched battles with hardly any
movement by either side on the western front. The cost in lives and materiel
was staggering and both England and Germany were ready to negotiate a
peace treaty, Germany probably because of the cost; Britain because it was
losing. Up to that point, America was completely neutral, if not pro-German.
“Here, we must introduce Chaim Weizmann who ultimately became the first
president of Israel. He was born in Russia and emigrated to Britain where he
worked as a research chemist in Manchester on the synthesis of acetone,
apparently an important ingredient in the manufacture of explosives. He was
intelligent, a fanatical Zionist, witty and charming, and made many friends
amongst the elite, including CP Scott, the editor of the Manchester Guardian,
prime minister David Lloyd George and Sir Mark Sykes. In Chaim
Weizmann’s diary we find a statement indicating that in 1916, German
Zionist (some of whom were in high places in imperial Germany) had been
approached by the German government in the hope that they would serve as
intermediaries in peace negotiations with the British via the British Zionists.
Both the British and the Germans were tired of the war and it was actually
the Kaiser who put out peace feelers to the Allies. Preliminary contacts were
made but nothing came of them. At this time, some German Jews were
influential and powerful, and had been accepted into German society. In fact,
Germany was the first European country to give the Jews some degree of
civil rights back in the 1820s. Germany, at that time, had a liberal policy
towards Jewish immigration; they accepted thousands of eastern Jewish
(“Die Ostjuden”) from the pogroms in Poland and Russia.
“In 1914, the war began in Europe as a purely European affair between the
Central Powers (Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and their side-kick,
the Ottoman empire) against the Allies – Britain, France and Russia; America
was not a party to the quarrel. By 1916, the cost in lives and material was
staggering and both sides were ready to negotiate a peace treaty.
Incidentally, not one Allied soldier fought on German soil until America
“Clearly, America did not want any part of the European war, in spite of the
endless barrage of anti-German propaganda coming out of Britain and from
George Creel’s American propaganda apparatus, the CPI…
“At this point, Wilson had to contend with three factors, the growing
American anti-German frenzy being whipped up by George Creel and his
congeners, the increasing activity of German U-boats which were
indiscriminately sinking all ships which might be bringing supplies to a
beleaguered England, and the Mexican problem. The Germans did not want
to be entangled in a war with America and had made contingency plans for
that eventuality. In a cabinet meeting at Pless Castle on January 9th , 1917,
the German Chancellor had stated unequivocally that if the Kaiser command
that a ruthless U-boat war be launched, he, the Chancellor, would “endeavor
to succeed in keeping America out of it. “ But he was not sanguine: “We will
have to calculate upon America’s entrance into the war against us. “ And the
U-boats began to prowl the shipping lanes on the orders of the Kaiser while
American vessels foolishly ignored German warnings to avoid those lanes.
The Mexican dictator, Huerta, was a thorn in Wilson’s flesh – he was playing
the Germans against the Americans. Together with the Germans, he
broadcast ominous rumblings about the imminent involvement of Japan
which both Germany and Mexico felt would pose a grave threat to the
United States. This led the diplomatically inept president into the Veracruz
debacle which spurred the Germans further to arm Huerta, promising him
revenge for the American capture of Texas. Eighteen American sailors died
in the attack on Vera Cruz for no good reason, a tragedy which determined
Wilson yet more strongly to avoid war if possible.
“The reasons given for the entry of the United States into the war were that
two or three American lives were lost in the sinking of the S.S. Sussex, the act
itself being a contravention of international law. To this writer, it seems
hardly likely that the proto-pacifist, Woodrow Wilson, would declare war
over such an incident.
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World War 2
This is from the article whose link is WW2 and written by Dr. Albert D
Pastore PhD:
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Let us fast forward our time machine to the early 1930's. Again, there is no
need for a detailed analysis and debate of the causes and major events of
World War II. The purpose here is to again illustrate yet another case of
selfish Zionist agitation for American entry into a war.
The German people were bitterly resentful of not only the Zionist role in
bringing about their defeat in World War I, but also over the brutal monetary
reparations which had been imposed upon them by certain Zionist bankers
Almost immediately, Zionists all over the world began to agitate for action
against Germany. Boycotts of German imports were imposed and calls for
the UK and USA to take immediate action against Germany began to
emanate from Zionist circles. On March 24, 1933, The Daily Express of
England carried the bold headline; "Judea Declares War on Germany. Jews of
All the World Unite in Action." The front page story revealed that the
Zionists had announced a concerted worldwide effort to isolate Germany
and turn other nations against her.
"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish
community; on every continent...We shall start a spiritual and material war
of the world against Germany. Our Jewish interests call for the complete
destruction of Germany."
"There are 20,000 German Jews who have come here to England. They all
work against an agreement with Germany. The Jews have got a big position
in the press here. Their political influence is driving us into the direction of
war."
In 1939, Germany and Poland went to war over disputed territory that was
taken away from Germany by the Versailles Treaty of 1918. Under the phony
pretext of protecting Poland, Great Britain and France immediately declared
war on Germany. Beaverbrook’s prediction was realized.
In the United States, the Zionist Mafia again went to work on a US president.
The names of the players had changed but the game was still the same. It was
"I am not attacking the Jewish people. But I am saying that the leaders of both
the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable
from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are
not American, wish to involve us in the war."
Because of strong public anti-war sentiment, FDR and his Zionist allies had a
hard time dragging the US into the European war. Then another "incident"
came along at Pearl Harbor in 1941. Japan and Germany were bound to a
mutual defense agreement, which meant that war with Japan would
automatically mean war with Germany. FDR embargoed Japan’s oil supply
in the hopes of forcing Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Overwhelming evidence
from government documents clearly shows that FDR had advance
knowledge of the Japanese attack and allowed it to happen so that he could
drag the US into World War II.
"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was
wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish
Origin or working for Jewish interests... Nor had I ever wished that after the
appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against either
England or America."
Regardless of your view of World War II and whether or not the USA
belonged in the fight, the essential point which cannot be refuted is again
this: years before World War II had even started, the Zionists had yet again
demonstrated that they had no aversion to sending Americans to die for their
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From the evidences I am aware of I firmly believe that the Israelis and
crooked elements in our government engineered 9/11 to create a Pearl
Harbor type of event that would benefit the American Israeli dupes and their
Jewish masters.
This is what I firmly believe but I never said that I will prove that. Mr.
thoughtcriminal better get his facts straight or go learn how to read English.
My endeavor was to present the evidence and let whoever reads it to come to
their own conclusions. As for me my conclusion is that the Mossad and
crooked elements in our government are responsible. Anything also showing
CIA or any government foreknowledge or involvement enhances my
position.
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So in regards to 9/11 we find the Israelis involved with many things. Strange
wouldn’t you say that we don’t find Russians, Chinese, Italians or even
Africans involved with events related to 9/11 as Israelis? Isn’t it just
1. It was Israelis who were caught watching the WTC burn and crumble and
celebrating it with joy. When the Lakers beat Sacramento for the NBA crown
they celebrated. Why? Because their efforts were successful! The event, which
was the championship game, they won. The Israelis, according to the eye
witnesses who saw them on top of the van were ecstatic. They were joyful
and why you ask? Because of America’s misery, America’s lost and
thousands of innocent lives perishing. But to the Israelis this was success.
They were ecstatic with joy because they too won the championship game!
The reason why the Israelis failed lie detector tests is because the truth that
they could not admit was, we planned this. We pulled it off. We successfully
created a Pearl Harbor incident to get the stupid goyim fully in bed with us.
And just like we did in the time of Christ we are going to do today. We will
get our media fully in bed with us to blame someone else for the crime. Yeah
we were caught in the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, etc. But we are ready now.
The stakes are too high. “Yippee Aye Yay we are successful. Come on
Kurzberg let’s dance!!!”
2. It was Israelis whose van was stopped and maps and other paraphernalia
were found leading the FBI to believe that they had definite involvement
with 9/11.
3. It was the Israeli owner of the Moving van company that immediately
shutdown his business, put his house up for sale and fled to Israel when his
employees were caught. Aren’t these drastic actions and shouldn’t we want
to know why the owner behaved that way?
4. It was Israelis who were caught spying on the US and lived in the same
vicinity as the supposed “hijackers”.
5. It was Israelis who were part of a spy ring that Carl Cameron reported
about in Foxx News saying that government officials stated that they had
“tie-ins” to 9/11. By the way this news was suppressed and the story taken
off the Foxx News website. The people responsible for that were JINSA (the
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs). JINSA President and CEO
6. It was Israelis who the following was reported about by U.S. government
authorities when the Israeli spies were found: “An Israeli government
spokesman reported a few days ago the news of arresting a number of
Israelis by the US intelligence bodies in Florida. This might seem strange but
what is more significant is the deliberate ignorance by the Israeli government
of the reason for the arrests. The Israelis did not even mention the reason or
the case for which their subjects were detained. The point is that a big
quantity of the Anthrax germ was held with the Israelis when they were
arrested. Moreover, the detainees had 15 charts of the New York Trade
Center and eight charts of the Pentagon building which were attacked on
September 11th. This is in addition to other six charts of the White House,
which was among the would-be targets of the September 11th attacks.
According to discreet US reports, the charts found with the Israelis had
accurately drawn the Pentagon building and the World Trade Center and
defined their geometric projections, as well as, precisely depicted the many
floors. Further, some data included in the charts define the itineraries of civil
passenger planes and their destinations!!!...”
7. It was Israelis who the Jerusalem Post reported about that 4000 were
missing or expected to be dead as a result of doing business and working at
the WTC on 9/11.
8. It was the Israeli general counsel Alon Pinkas who reported that out of the
4000 Israelis dead or missing actually only one was killed, a visitor. The
statistics of this happening is IMPOSSIBLE. The only reason this could
happen is if somehow Israelis were warned ahead of time about the planes
crashing into the WTC. The natural question to ask is are there any evidence
of prior warnings of the impending WTC attacks given to anyone in the
world? If there is let’s narrow the list down to see if any warnings happen to
be given to Israelis. Well it just so happens that there were prior warnings
and the only people in the world to receive them were Israelis!!!!
10. It was Israelis who were armed with 9mm pistols, nine grenades,
explosives, three detonators and 58 bullets and caught in Mexico in an
attempt to blow the Mexican Congress up on October 10, 2001. The Israelis
were booked for conspiracy to destroy a building by means of an explosive
by the Mexican police. If they were successful in blowing up the Mexican
Congress then like 9/11 it would have been blamed on Muslim terrorists.
They got caught red-handed here and only God knows how many other
incidents that innocent Muslims are being blamed for that was really done by
Israelis.
11. General Gul, who at one time was a close ally of the U.S. and a staunch
supporter of western values, who could have blamed 9/11 on his Russian or
Indian enemies but instead choose to blame 9/11 on Israelis. This former
director of the Pakistani Intelligence Service said un-categorically about 9/11
that “Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits.” Why did
he just happen to also blame Israelis? Of course you would say he was
biased, etc. I expect that from you but why didn’t he blame India or Russia
who were far worse enemies to Pakistan than Israel? This was a man who
was close to the American Secret Service leaders and their ally. How come he
seems to know what Vreeland and other CIA operatives worldwide knew
about 9/11?
12. The news about the impending attacks was known by even low ranking
CIA agents like Delmart Vreeland. To prove it he wrote what was going to
happen in August, 2001 in a sealed envelope while in prison in Canada and
had his guards open the envelope on September 14th. Lo and behold he
accurately predicted the attacks of 9/11. If he knew about this I am certain
that many others in the CIA especially at higher levels knew about it also. As
13. The U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies (SAMS) wrote this
about the Israeli Mossad which was reported about on September 10, 2001
one day before 9/11:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
BINGO! The very next day an “Arab act” took place against the U.S. and no
suspicion or investigation was done based on this credible report from
SAMS. As I said the finger was so firmly pointed against Bin Laden that even
intelligent people were so suffocated by the Jewish press that no other
questions were entertained.
It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers
where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is
probably the closest link that can be established to someone who was
involved in 9/11 but neither the FBI nor CIA is, apparently, pursuing this.
Why?
15. When Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian groups
commits an act of freedom against the brutal Israeli regime, no matter how
small the numbers they kill of the enemy they take responsibility for it. That
has been their pattern for a long time. Now the largest attack killing the most
amount of “the enemy” Americans, instead of OBL boasting about it and
even cheering like the Israelis did at the WTC he says the following: “I have
already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the
United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no
knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent
women, children and other humans as an appreciable act…”
This is quite significant because as successful as this act was it would have
been something for OBL to boast about but instead he condemns it and
distances himself from it. Very unlikely behavior for someone guilty and
who would normally gloat at such a major accomplishment. The U.S.
government claimed that it had proof which they never showed any of us.
They claimed that they showed it to the Pakistani President but he also
recently came out with a statement claiming that he believes that there is no
way that OBL could have pulled off 9/11. What happened to the proof?
What we have been told officially about 9/11 has more holes in it than aged
cheese. It just does not add up. Yet serious actions are being taken against
innocent Muslims and thousands of lives are being lost and even more are
being harassed and persecuted. Why isn’t our government investigating
the huge pile of evidence pointing to the Israelis and why aren’t relations
between the U.S. and Israel cooled? Why? Why? Why?
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1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people
took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: 2 And when they had bound
him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor…
11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying,
Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest. 12 And
when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas. 17 Therefore when
they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I
release unto you? Barabbas or Jesus which is called Christ? 20 But the chief
priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas,
and destroy Jesus.….. 22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with
Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. 23
And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the
more, saying, Let him be crucified…. 25 Then answered all the people, and
said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Reading this is reminiscent of what the U.S. is doing today against Iraq. The
Jewish media has whipped up public support within the U.S. to have our
government attack Iraq for no crime committed against the U.S. This is like
how the Jews used the Roman governor Pontius Pilate to crucify Jesus for no
crime committed. The irony of it all is that 9/11 was the trigger for this
unjustified attack on Iraq of which Iraq was totally innocent. If half of the
mountain of evidence against the Israelis for 9/11 were true about Iraq then
maybe there would have been some justification. But no such thing exists.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I
proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent
me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear
my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye
will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: F19 for he is a liar, and the father of it…
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Here are a few more examples of Jewish treachery against their own people
and other people with the aim of having others take the blame for their
actions and to accomplish specific goals beneficial to Jewish people:
The details exposing this dastardly plan is exposed in full at this Illuminati
and CFR site. A brief description is given below:
Quote:
"The poverty matter was not a great problem, but the voter problem was a
different story. But as I previously said; Jacob Schiff was a smart cookie. Here
is the atrocious and murderous method he employed to solve that voter
problem. His solution emphasizes how very little the Jewish internationalist
banker’s care about their own racial brethren as you shall see. Suddenly;
around 1890, there broke out a nationwide series of pogroms in Russia.
Many, many, thousands of innocent Jews; men, women, and children were
slaughtered by the Cossacks and other peasants. Similar pogroms with
similar slaughter of innocent Jews broke-out in Poland, Rumania, and
Bulgaria. All those pogroms were fomented by Rothschild agents. As a
result; the Jewish terrified refugees, from all of those nations, swarmed into
the United States and that continued throughout the next two or three
decades, because the pogroms were continuous through all those years. All
those refugees were aided by self-styled humanitarian-committees set up by
Schiff, the Rothschilds, and all the Rothschild affiliates.
"In the main; the refugees streamed into New York, but the Schiff-Rothschild
humanitarian-committees found ways to shuffle many of them into other
large cities such as Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc...
All of them were quickly transformed into "naturalized-citizens" and
educated to register as Democrats. Thus all of that so-called minority-group
became solid Democratic voter-blocks in their communities, all controlled
and maneuvered by their so-called benefactors. And shortly after the turn of
3. WWI: I already detailed how the Zionists used the Zimmerman Telegram
as a way of getting the U.S. into WWI in exchange for the British promising
them Palestine. Here also is a few quotes from Benjamin Freedman, who was
the Jewish principal owner of the Woodbury Soap company and personally
acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson,
Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and many more
movers and shakers of our times. The speech was given in 1961 before a
patriotic audience which confirms what I presented earlier about the Jews
getting the U.S. involved with WWI in order to get the British to promise
them Palestine via the Balfour Declaration. The link to the full speech is here.
Quote:
What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are
few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on
one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by
Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.
Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but
won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world,
had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great Britain stood there
without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week's food supply -- and
after that, starvation. At that time, the French army had mutinied. They had
lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the
Somme. The Russian army was defecting, they were picking up their toys
and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, and they didn't like
the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.
Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had
crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England
peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers
call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let
everything be as it was before the war started." England, in the summer of
1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It was either
While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the
Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am
going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the documents to
prove any statement that I make -- they said: "Look here. You can yet win
this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated
peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United
States will come in as your ally." The United States was not in the war at that
time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They
told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as
your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine
after you win the war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the
United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine
after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and
Turkey." Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody,
as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason
whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain, that never had any
connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine should
offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States
into the war. However, they did make that promise, in October of 1916. And
shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United
States, which was almost totally pro-German, entered the war as Britain's
ally.
What I did not go into was what the Jews wanted as a result of WWII. The
two goals that were achieved for Jews as a result of WWII were as follows:
B. Finalized the creation of the state of Israel and mass migration of Jews
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"World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the
controversies between Fascists and political Zionists, and here let it be
noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds,
and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed
6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn't bother the Jewish internationalist bankers
at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide-hatred of
the German people and thus bring about war against them. In short; this
second world war was to be fought to destroy Nazism and increase the
power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established
in Palestine.”
The Neturei Karta, a highly religious Jewish group admits that during WWII
Zionists were working with Hitler to force immigration of German Jews to
Palestine. The following is a statement from their website
www.netureikarta.org:
" It is openly stated in books written by the founders of Zionism that the
means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-
Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of the
world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did -
They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of
Nazi hatred, and they helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take
whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists
themselves admit this. (See the books Perfidy, Min Ha Meitsor, etc.). The
Zionists continue to practice this strategy today, they incite anti-Semitism
and then they present themselves as the "saviors".
Another reference is from the article: The Secret Alliance Between Hitler and
The Zionists, written by M. Raphael Johnson PHD. The link to this article is
at Hitler and Zionists.
In fact, the Zionist faction had every reason to ensure the permanence of
National Socialist ideology in Germany. Klaus Polkehn, writing in the
Journal of Palestine Studies ("The Secret Contacts: Zionism and Nazi
Germany, 1933-1941"; JPS v. 3/4, spring/summer 1976), claims that the
moderate attitude of the Zionists was due to their vested interest in seeing
the financial victory of National Socialism to force immigration to
Palestine. This little-known factor would ultimately come to play a pivotal
part in the relationship between Nazi Germany and the Jews.
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{Ansar Wrote}
I want to repeat a sentence from the Neturei Karta’s quote above to show the
raw truth about the Zionists. …It is openly stated in books written by the
founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a
state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of
Quote:
In 1950, a wave of anti Semitism and terrorism in Iraq made Naeim Giladi,
21, join the Zionist underground.
Giladi's family was part of a Jewish community that settled and prospered in
Babylon 2600 years ago, 600 years before Christianity, and 1200 years before
Islam.
Then in the late 1940's, the Prime Minister Nouri-el-Said fired Jewish
government employees, denied permits to Jewish merchants, and finally, in
March 1950, deprived Jews of their citizenship. Still they did not leave.
When Giladi's father discovered his son had joined the Zionists, he was
skeptical. "You'll come home with your tail between your legs," he said.
But Giladi was young and idealistic. Jews were being killed and Zionism
represented a chance to build a national home. "I was a true believer," he
writes.
In an essay "The Jews of Iraq", which is on line, Giladi describes his bitter
realization that Zionists were behind the anti Semitism and bombings.
Iraqi Prime Minister Said was a British pawn. He met Israeli PM David Ben
Gurion in Vienna in 1948 and agreed to transfer the Iraqi Jews to Israel as
part of the elite geopolitical program.
This and other Zionist crimes against Jews are documented in Giladi's book,
"Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Mossad and the Haganah Eliminated
Jews,"(1992) which will be republished by Dandelion Books this spring.
By January 1952, all but 6,000 of 125,000 Iraqi Jews had fled to Israel where as
"Arab Jews," they were treated as second-class citizens. Israel wanted them to
perform the menial jobs vacated by the Palestinians. Between the Iraqi and
Israeli governments, the Iraqi Jews lost much of their wealth…
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
7. According to Victor Ostrovski, a defector from the Mossad, the USA was
tricked into bombing Libya when the Mossad planted a radio transmitter in
Tripoli which sent out fake orders to terrorists which the USA could
intercept.
I will stop here but I could go on and on with many more examples. The
examples I listed above are MAJOR indictments against the Satanic Jews.
From major world wars, that cost the lives of millions of humanity, to
treacherous actions against their own people. These are very, very serious
actions against all of humanity. I contend that true to their past consistent
actions in the past and along with the mountain of evidence pointing to
their involvement with 9/11, that Satanic Jews along with corrupt elements
in our government are responsible for 9/11. I firmly believe they are
responsible and that innocent Muslims were framed for the murderous
actions of Jews!
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The attack "was good for the Jews," "It is very good", said Netanyahu...before
he caught himself and amended his statement.
In an interview with Le Monde, Ami Ayalon, former Head of Israeli Shin Bet,
stated: "Since September 11, our leaders have been euphoric."
Lastly TC, I want you and all of the doubters out there to seriously follow the
following news report. In this news report we will use certain word
substitutions to make our point. I seriously want you to clear your mind and
think like a goyim. Put yourself in the mindset of the average American.
What would you Mr. average American think after reading such a report?
Please follow me with this. OK here we go:
The following report shows factual events involving the Republic of Iran
with 9/11. The details are as follows:
1. It was Iranians who were caught watching the WTC burn and crumble
and celebrating it with joy. When the Lakers beat Sacramento for the NBA
crown they celebrated. Why? Because their efforts were successful! The
event, which was the championship game, they won. The Iranians,
according to the eye witnesses who saw them on top of the van were ecstatic.
They were joyful and why you ask? Because of America’s misery, America’s
lost and thousands of innocent lives perishing. But to the Iranians this was
success. They were ecstatic with joy because they too won the championship
game!
To show that this joy was not local only to the 5 Iranians, look at what was
said by and about their leaders:
The attack "was good for the Iranians," "It is very good", said Mohammed
Qahtani...before he caught himself and amended his statement.
The reason why the Iranians failed lie detector tests is because the truth that
they could not admit was we planned this. We pulled it off. We successfully
created a Pearl Harbor incident to get the stupid goyim fully in bed with us.
And just like we did in the time of Christ we are going to do today. We will
get our media fully in bed with us to blame someone else for the crime. Yeah
we were caught in the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, etc. But we are ready now.
The stakes are too high. “Yippee Aye Yay we are successful. Come on Ali
let’s dance!!!”
2. It was Iranians whose van was stopped and maps and other paraphernalia
were found leading the FBI to believe that they had definite involvement
with 9/11.
3. It was the Iranian owner of the Moving van company that immediately
shutdown his business, put his house up for sale and fled to Iran when his
employees were caught. Aren’t these drastic actions and shouldn’t we want
to know why the owner behaved that way?
4. It was Iranians who were caught spying on the US and lived in the same
vicinity as the supposed “hijackers”.
5. It was Iranians who were part of a spy ring that Carl Cameron reported
about in Foxx News saying that government officials stated that they had
“tie-ins” to 9/11. By the way this news was suppressed and the story taken
off the Foxx News website. The people responsible for that were IINSA (the
Iranian Institute for National Security Affairs). IINSA President and CEO
Faruddin Mosadeq is also a director of CAMERA (Committee for Accurate
Middle East Reporting in America), the group that actually staged the e-mail,
fax, letter, and phone call mobilization that squeezed Fox TV, to the point
that they removed the transcripts of the four Carl Cameron segments from
their own web site. I wonder why these American Iranians will be interested
in doing such a thing.
7. It was Iranians who the Tehran Post reported about that 4000 were
missing or expected to be dead as a result of doing business and working at
the WTC on 9/11.
9. It was Iranians who received Odigo warnings two hours before the planes
struck the WTC buildings. This was reported both in the Tehran Times and
Washington Post newspapers. This is proof positive that someone who cares
for the lives of Iranians knew that planes were going to be crashed into the
WTC ahead of time and wanted to make sure Iranians were not killed. I am
10. It was Iranians who were armed with 9mm pistols, nine grenades,
explosives, three detonators and 58 bullets and caught in Mexico in an
attempt to blow the Mexican Congress up on October 10, 2001. The Iranians
were booked for conspiracy to destroy a building by means of an explosive
by the Mexican police. If they were successful in blowing up the Mexican
Congress then like 9/11 it would have been blamed on Christian terrorists.
They got caught red-handed here and only God knows how many other
incidents that innocent Christians are being blamed for that were really done
by Iranians.
11. General Gul, who at one time was a close ally of the U.S. and a staunch
supporter of western values, who could have blamed 9/11 on his Russian or
Indian enemies but instead choose to blame 9/11 on Iranians. This former
director of the Pakistani Intelligence Service said un-categorically about 9/11
that “The Iranian Savak and its American associates are the obvious
culprits.” Why did he just happen to also blame Iranians? Of course you
would say he was biased, etc. I expect that from you but why didn’t he blame
India or Russia who were far worse enemies to Pakistan than Iran? This was
a man who was close to the American Secret Service leaders and their ally.
How come he seems to know what Vreeland and other CIA operatives
worldwide knew about 9/11?
12. The news about the impending attacks was known by even low ranking
CIA agents like Delmart Vreeland. To prove it he wrote what was going to
happen in August, 2001 in a sealed envelope while in prison in Canada and
had his guards open the envelope on September 14th. Lo and behold he
accurately predicted the attacks of 9/11. If he knew about this I am certain
that many others in the CIA especially at higher levels knew about it also. As
such this was a deliberate planned action set up to create a Pearl Harbor type
event to cause the American government to take actions that the planners of
this event wanted. With the complicity of the Iranian controlled news media
the finger was solidly pointed on OBL, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. They did
not allow any suspicion to be pointed anywhere else. How convenient!!!
13. The U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies (SAMS) wrote this
about the Iranian Savak which was reported about on September 10, 2001
one day before 9/11:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and
make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
BINGO! The very next day an “Arab act” took place against the U.S. and no
suspicion or investigation was done based on this credible report from
SAMS. As I said the finger was so firmly pointed against Bin Laden that even
intelligent people were so suffocated by the Iranian press that no other
questions were entertained.
It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers
where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is
probably the closest link that can be established to someone who was
15. When Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian groups
commits an act of freedom against the brutal Israeli regime, no matter how
small the numbers they kill of the enemy they take responsibility for it. That
has been their pattern for a long time. Now the largest attack killing the most
amount of “the enemy” Americans, instead of OBL boasting about it and
even cheering like the Iranians did at the WTC he says the following: “I have
already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the
United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no
knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent
women, children and other humans as an appreciable act…”
This is quite significant because as successful as this act was it would have
been something for OBL to boast about but instead he condemns it and
distances himself from it. Very unlikely behavior for someone guilty and
who would normally gloat at such a major accomplishment. The U.S.
government claimed that it had proof which they never showed any of us.
They claimed that they showed it to the Pakistani President but he also
recently came out with a statement claiming that he believes that there is no
way that OBL could have pulled off 9/11. What happened to the proof?
Along with this the Iranians have a consistent history of fraudulent actions
costing the lives of millions of human beings. Here is a brief look at some
past Iranian actions showing their treachery, deception and fraud in having
innocents take the blame for their evil actions and false accusations:
Quote:
1. According to our Bible it was Iranians who were responsible for falsely
accusing our Lord and Savior, deceiving the masses about his true mission
and causing him to be crucified by the Romans. It is also true that in our Bible
Jesus called Iranians murderers, children of the devil, vipers and other vile
things.
3. It was Iranians who caused the pogroms of their own people in Russia so
that the world will hate the regime of the Czar and cause millions of Iranians
to flee to the U.S. for political gain.
7. According to Zaki Ostrovski, a defector from the Iranian Savak, the USA
was tricked into bombing Libya when the Iranian Savak planted a radio
transmitter in Tripoli which sent out fake orders to terrorists which the USA
could intercept.
The information above is all true about Israel. None of it has been refuted by
thoughtcriminal. For God’s sake America why the hell are we just allowing
this? Why are we not investigating, sanctioning, attacking, freezing funds,
etc from Israel? What more do we need?
With all that I have presented above I rest my case with thoughtcriminal
and all who have been following this “debate”!
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{Ansar Wrote}
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{Ansar Wrote}
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
When you finish presenting your case that asserts that the Mossad committed
9/11, I will address your points.
When you lay out the events of the day, and conclude the whole thing,
then I will begun my rebuttal.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
John...The last response from TC was on March 18th. That is almost a month
now for a cage match that was only supposed to take 3 days. It is obvious
that TC is not going to respond despite all of his hyped up drivel.
Thanks!
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{Ansar Wrote}
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Patience.
Quite funny.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Is that the best you can do for almost a month? No, I won't strike him as a
source until you prove that the context in which he is presented is invalid.
John Deere has been quite lenient with you and so have I. You have posted
numerous articles and made numerous comments on LF since Mar 18 to now
but yet you have avoided this cage like a plague. Is what I presented so
difficult for you to respond to? Obviously it is since it's been about a month
for anything to come from you.
I guess graybeard was right about having to wait until the Iraq war is over to
get a response from you. The war is over and still no response. What's next?
Wait until we go to our graves?
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Is that the best you can do for almost a month? No, I won't strike him as a
source until you prove that the context in which he is presented is invalid.
You suggested that former Pakistani ISI head, General Hamid Gul, was a
good source for your supposition that the Mossad was behind 9/11.
link
Quote:
Gen. Hamid Gul, the retired head of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, in
his latest well-publicized (in Pakistan) statement, says "we have the nuclear
capability to destroy Madras (India); surely the same missile can do the same
to Tel Aviv. Washington cannot stop Muslim suicidal attacks. Taliban are still
alive and along with 'friends' they will continue the holy jihad against the
US.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
TC...What is it, you can't read or are you just plain STUPID??? Please forgive
me for being so coarse. If you look a few posts up it is very clear what I
wanted from you regarding General Gul. Let me repeat what I wanted from
you for General Gul and I will embolden it to make sure you don't miss the
point:
Quote:
TC...I already made my case and it is documented above in a way that is very
clear. Nitpicking over points that show your total mis-understanding of what
I said is irrelevant. You have the whole volume of my case to respond to.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
I'll take that as a concession that General Gul's comments are out the
window.
Thank you.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Next up?
Cui Bono.
Stay tuned.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
I am impressed TC! It only took you a month to come up with the previous
posts. Great work son!
But Ha ha ha TC….I guess my point about General Gul is too subtle for you
to grasp. After a whole month you still don't know what I was saying and
only supported my point with your statements. My friend General Gul is not
gone anywhere but in your own mind. My advice to you TC is to go back
and re-read all the advice you got especially from your friends. Remember
there are intelligent people reading this debate and they know the point I
was trying to make with General Gul that you never answered but want to so
quickly dismiss.
Anyway I won’t comment anymore until you are finished. I highly advise
that you try and understand what it is I am really saying before you pursue
with your foolishness. Go back and re-read my previous posts before you
embarrass yourself further.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
General Gul is not an objective source about 9/11 as his statements suggest,
as does his removal from the ISI by Musharaff.
"I object, your honor! This trial is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of
a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." (Fielding
Mellish)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Surely combating what this crazed Muslim is saying about 9/11 should be
easy for a civilized western person like you.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I strongly believe that TC is a Jew plant among us who is being paid to
demonize Saudi Arabia, Islam and anyone that challenges the "official" view
of things." (ansar, paranoid kook)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
You have been saying this for the past 3 months. Gul is not down! He is very
much alive in the context for which I presented him. He was one who blamed
9/11 squarely on the Israelis and crooked elements in the American
government. Whether or not he was accurate was never the question. The
fact that he did say those things cannot be denied. I know this may be too
subtle for your young mind to grasp but go ask an adult if you need some
help.
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{Ansar Wrote}
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
You have been saying this for the past 3 months. Gul is not down! He is very
much alive in the context for which I presented him. He was one who blamed
9/11 squarely on the Israelis and crooked elements in the American
government. Whether or not he was accurate was never the question. The
fact that he did say those things cannot be denied. I know this may be too
subtle for your young mind to grasp but go ask an adult if you need some
You used General Gul as a proof that the Israelis committed the acts on 9/11.
Quote:
John Deere...This is ridiculous! I don't want to play this game with this child
anymore. PLEASE OPEN THIS THREAD FOR COMMENTS! Obviously after
3 months TC has nothing to add.
Two things:
"I strongly believe that TC is a Jew plant among us who is being paid to
demonize Saudi Arabia, Islam and anyone that challenges the "official" view
of things." (ansar, paranoid kook)
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{Ansar Wrote}
You used General Gul as a proof that the Israelis committed the acts on 9/11.
Boy that was a quick response! I will concede the Gul point if you could go
back through my posts on Gul and show me where I used him as proof that
the Israelis committed 9/11. Either English is a second language for you or
you just can't read. My point with Gul went right over your head.
Quote:
Obviously, we will never get a response because you have none. Haven't you
embarrassed yourself enough even among your friends? This eternal hold
out with no substance has gotten old not just for me but also for your friends.
Go back and re-read all the advice you have gotten, especially from your
friends, and maybe you will find the right thing to do.
Let me repeat some advice from a wise old man named graybeard. Maybe
you will take heed!
Quote:
I fear that we are witnessing the rapid disintegration of an old Liberty Forum
friend: TC is obviously losing it.
I fear that the bruising he received at the hands of ansar during their Cage
match was more traumatizing than any of us thought. I first began to suspect
the extent of his injuries when he kept foggily repeating his mysterious claim
about having a comeback strategy; surely TC became painfully aware that it
was becoming painfully obvious that he had painfully failed to muster ANY
KIND of meaningful response to ansar's presentation. I believe that this
painful situation has caused TC to crack (note that he chose the 9/11 topic to
demonstrate his 'dying complaint').
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
"I strongly believe that TC is a Jew plant among us who is being paid to
demonize Saudi Arabia, Islam and anyone that challenges the "official" view
of things." (ansar, paranoid kook)
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{Ansar Wrote}
TC you must never forget that this is not a private conversation between me
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
TC you must never forget that this is not a private conversation between me
and you.
Quote:
So what?
Quote:
Remember the worse place to make a fool of yourself is publicly. I feel sorry
for you young man, you have reached the point of no return.
Whatever kook.
Here's what one of the best posters on LF has to say about you:
Quote:
He's right.
"I strongly believe that TC is a Jew plant among us who is being paid to
demonize Saudi Arabia, Islam and anyone that challenges the "official" view
of things." (ansar, paranoid kook)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Surely you should be able to dispel this "fanatic's" claims. It should be too
easy for you. Instead of 3 months it should have been 3 seconds. What
happened?
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
I'm in no rush.
You are.
"I strongly believe that TC is a Jew plant among us who is being paid to
demonize Saudi Arabia, Islam and anyone that challenges the "official" view
of things." (ansar, paranoid kook)
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{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Now tell me what forum rule are you following to keep this cage blocked
from others making comments for so many months especially when TC has
refused to continue the debate? Don't you think it is time that a post mortem
be done and this thread open for comments by other LF members?
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
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“ Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators,
identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli
citizens, sold “short” a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to
fall in value as a result of the pending attacks.
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In an email, Storch said that Israelis were specifically mentioned by the SEC.
He also said that his sources for this include the Guardian UK, the New York
Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle.
Therefore, anyone who can find these articles will get a $500.00 certified
cheque from me made out to whomever you want.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
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{Ansar Wrote}
Ah, but that is what you would like to believe huh TC? What a wonderful
world this would be if only what we like to believe were true? Bottom line is
that neither you nor anyone else on this forum has information to disprove
Storch's claim. Then at the same time you want us to believe that your
enquiries are truthful. Storch's claims are published and very public. As such
that is more valuable than any personal correspondence and puts him at
great risk and loss of credibility for the Barnes Review if his statement were
false. As long as that very public article has been around, you would think
that someone from the Jew stream media would expose it and ruin the
Barnes Review for daring to print lies about the chosen ones. They haven't
and instead of bothering Storch you should be bothering the Jew stream
media with his article so that he could be exposed. But I don't see any of that
happening.
All you are left with is the age old tactic of attacking the source and not the
content of the information. What disinfo rule number is that one TC? You
have nothing to refute the information presented. You use self reference and
expect us to hold that as more important than a public release of an article by
Bottom line is that you hate such raw truths to be exposed about the "chosen
ones". As a result you will gnaw, scream, kick and even urinate like a spoiled
brat to make what is said not true. But don't feel disappointed. There is much
more truths being exposed about your precious "chosen ones" that will have
the world going after their jugular!
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
I think I ought to post the full statement from another thread that you are
referring to so that it could be here for the record.
Some have used the following references to “prove” that OBL and Al-Qaeda
were guilty of making profits from 9/11 insider training:
[Sept. 16, 2001] "An Italian newspaper, Corriere della Serra, reported yesterday that
the FBI is probing the possibility that bin Laden associates tried to profit from the
disaster by ''short-selling'' stocks in reinsurance companies before the attack,
possibly including shares of AXA in France, Munich Re in Germany, and Swiss Re
in Switzerland."
What were the results of are investigating and FBI is probing the possibility of Al-
Qaeda and OBL insider trading? Since when does are investigating and FBI is
probing the possibility mean guilty of committing the act? Compare that to this
statement:
To answer the question: What were the results of are investigating and FBI
is probing the possibility of Al-Qaeda and OBL insider trading? The article
stated the following:
Quote:
Mike Ward, PopMatters Columnist and Film Critic also reported: “Still,
even if Al Qaeda placed the 4,744 suspicious transactions, wouldn't the
story still be useful, if only to further illuminate the terrorist network's
money machine? Apparently not, because the story didn't just fade away
over time; it suddenly vanished…” Where did we see stories vanishing
before? (Hint Israeli spy ring, Israelis caught trying to bomb the Mexican
Congress, Dr. Zach and anthrax, Lavon Affair, USS Liberty attack, etc, etc,
etc) What is it that all these stories have in common?
How did so many Israelis on September 10, 2001 knew that American and
United Airlines stocks were going to take a dramatic drop in value the next
day on 9/11? According to the American Securities and Commission, a group
of Israeli speculators were identified making money on the put stocks. How
Couple this with the information that 6 months prior to 9/11, the lease for
the WTC was bought by an Israeli firm, the Silverstein Group, owned by
Larry Silverstein. Mr. Silverstein had the foresight to “fortuitously” take out
insurance which covered for acts of terrorism. As a result today Mr.
Silverstein is one of the richest men in the world earning 7.1 billion dollars
for his “fortuitous” act from insurance payouts.
Along with no inquiry into the identities of the Israelis investing in put
stocks the story was suddenly dropped. Very peculiar huh? I am sure if it
was found out that Al-Qaeda members made money on put stocks it would
be front page news. After all they and the Taliban were the ones in on this
plot and would be most likely to risk investing in put stocks. Very
suspicious isn’t it and I ask the same question as Michael Shore in Jerusalem
asked:
It would seem easy enough for the FBI and CIA to go to the stockbrokers
where these trades were made and find out who made them. This is probably
the closest link that can be established to someone who was involved in 9/11
but neither the FBI nor CIA is, apparently, pursuing this. Why?
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Hey Ansar!
Where are the 3 articles that Storch claims said that Israelis profited by selling
short?
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Unanswered Questions
Where are the three articles that Storch claimed said that the SEC mentioned
that Israelis profited from the attacks by selling short?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough even among your friends? This
eternal hold out with no substance has gotten old not just for me but also for
your friends. Go back and re-read all the advice you have gotten especially
from your friends and maybe you will find the right thing to do.
Quote:
Please point to one statement you made that refutes anything I presented in
this cage match?
Please pay close attention. Bring your ears a little closer to my mouth. I will
yell it out. I am done with my arguments! My case has been made! If you
feel that the questions you ask are unanswered then all the better for you.
You can either fill in the correct answers to your questions yourself or end
this cage match and declare yourself the winner. (I don't know if anyone
would agree with you though) So what will it be TC?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Note: Ansar Has Refused to Answer the Questions Put Before Him
Effects
How can one discuss 9/11 without actually discussing the particular acts of
terrorism?
Also, there are no Israeli money trails as ansar's ONLY SOURCE has been
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
I fear that the bruising he received at the hands of ansar during their Cage
match was more traumatizing than any of us thought. I first began to suspect
the extent of his injuries when he kept foggily repeating his mysterious claim
about having a comeback strategy; surely TC became painfully aware that it
was becoming painfully obvious that he had painfully failed to muster ANY
KIND of meaningful response to ansar's presentation. I believe that this
painful situation has caused TC to crack (note that he chose the 9/11 topic to
demonstrate his 'dying complaint').
If OSHA gets wind of this incident, that Cage may be summarily yanked
from LF. JD undoubtedly has exposed himself to a serious liability, here (if
TC has any survivors). He should have stopped the match as soon as it
became apparent that it was a MIS-MATCH!
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
LOL
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Note: Ansar Has Refused to Answer the Questions Put Before Him
Effects
How can one discuss 9/11 without actually discussing the particular acts of
terrorism?
Also, there are no Israeli money trails as ansar's ONLY SOURCE has been shown
to be fraudulent....unless you can find those articles that Storch claimed to use.
Well TC if things are as you claim why not claim victory for yourself and be
done with this silly cage. I already concluded my arguments many pages
back. To which I have gotten no response.
But thanks for being such a generous soul to tell me what my arguments
should be. You are too kind! I concede that I was too dumb to figure that out
for myself. You have my permission to fill in the blanks from your
perspective of the things I left out OK! I promise to not refute them. I will just
let what I already wrote speak for itself. Fair enough???
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
I guess you mean that you want the Cage to continue for just you and I?
Am I correct?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Boy is English a second language for you? Please read carefully. I am done!
Finished! My arguments have been made! If you have no refutation for any
of them then this cage match is OVER! Kapische?
Oh and I will make it even easier for you if you could answer just this one
question then our cage match is OVER!
Quote:
Please point to one statement you made that refutes anything I presented
in this cage match!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Sure, where are the articles that Storch claims mentioned that Israelis profited
by selling short, as stated by the SEC?
That's one.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Here's an article:
Quote:
All the more reason to wonder what’s going on and taking so long, say the
experts.
And it is not just the SEC and FBI that is still mired in the 9-11 profiteering
probe. Japan, Germany, the U.K., France, Luxembourg, Hong Kong,
Switzerland and Spain have their own investigations running.
So far, the only break in the silence has been the apparent impromptu
courtroom outburst of assistant U.S. attorney Kenneth Breen, who recently
accused Amr Ibrahim Elgindy, an Egyptian-born stockbroker on trial in San
Diego, with knowing in advance about 9-11 and capitalizing on the insider
Oh dear!
lol
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
What You Think You Know About Sept. 11 …but don't - September 10, 2003
Quote:
What's wrong with the story: Terrorists may have profiteered, but the
evidence is sketchy. As was widely reported after 9/11, the options market
for United and American Airlines was unusually busy in the days before
9/11, with an extremely heavy volume of "put options"—bets that the airline
shares would fall. By the end of September 2001, both the Chicago Board
Options Exchange and the Securities and Exchange Commission had
launched investigations into the unusual trading. Since then, they've been
silent. Two years later, neither the exchange nor the SEC will comment on its
investigation. Neither has announced any conclusion. The SEC has not filed
any complaint alleging illegal activity, nor has the Justice Department
announced any investigation or prosecution.
This does not mean terrorist wagering didn't occur: It might well have. The
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{Ansar Wrote}
Oh, I forgot I have to also remind you of what a refutation mean. Here is a
dictionary definition:
Quote:
refutation
So to make it easy for you TC, if I hold an object in my hand and say that it is
white. And then you come along with facts to prove that it really is black,
that is a refutation. I would be false and you would be right.
Now Storch claimed that the SEC stated that it was Israelis who profited
from put stocks on 9/11! Guess what a refutation of that is? No, it is not a
This is one example but I said a lot of things in this cage. All you have to do
is find one thing I said that you can refute! Now that should not be so hard
now shouldn't it?
"Strive as in a race to achieve the
goal of excellence in all that you do.”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Two points:
-Storch lied
-the above two articles show that the SEC hasn't released any information on
who profited
LOL
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
Now Storch claimed that the SEC stated that it was Israelis that profited from
put stocks on 9/11!
Get it?
LOL
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
-the above two articles show that the SEC hasn't released any information on
who profited
Then I guess you can't refute the fact that it was Israelis who profited from
9/11 now can you. Since according to your post the SEC records are sealed for
unknown reasons.
Well TC there is still hope. I said a lot of things. You just need to pick
something else that I said that you can refute. Get busy now there is a whole
lot to select from.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
So if the SEC records are sealed, than therefore Storch's article is a fabrication.
Do you agree?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
Then I guess you can't refute the fact that it was Israelis who profited from
9/11 now can you.
Your source that Israelis profited from 9/11 was Storch's article which has
proven to be a fabrication since the SEC never released any information.
Simple logic.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
It says that the SEC never released any information on who profited.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
The absence of any complaint suggests the SEC found nothing illegal, but
that's not definite. The SEC and the Chicago board seal the records of their
investigations and won't offer any explanation—even if there is an innocent
one—for the strange trading. So, unless the SEC decides to file a complaint—
unlikely at this late stage—we may never know what they learned about
terror trading.
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
The SEC and the Chicago board seal the records of their investigations and
won't offer any explanation—even if there is an innocent one—for the
strange trading.
That is not the same as never released. Be that as it may, what is the source of
this article? Who wrote it? Are you sure they are telling the truth about the
SEC? But as I mentioned since Storch claims on Israelis profiting from 9/11
according to the SEC, is very public and reported for some time now boldly
in the Barnes Review, why isn't any of our main stream media refuting that
TC you have to do better than that. I wrote volumes and this thing about the
SEC came up recently. You mean you can't find anything I wrote to refute or
anything you have already written in this cage match to refute anything I
said? I bet if you ask me that question I will show you many things I wrote to
refute your arguments. And they all fit the definition of refutation too!
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
That is not the same as never released. Be that as it may, what is the source of
this article?
Slate.
Quote:
Quote:
Are you sure they are telling the truth about the SEC?
LOL
Quote:
Then where are those three articles that Storch sez he used as proof for his
claims?
And I've given a $500 reward for whomever can find those three pieces.
Quote:
TC you have to do better than that. I wrote volumes and this thing about the
SEC came up recently. You mean you can't find anything I wrote to refute or
anything you have already written in this cage match to refute anything I
said? I bet if you ask me that question I will show you many things I wrote to
refute your arguments. And they all fit the definition of refutation too!
b) these two articles show that the SEC didn't release any info on potential
profiteers
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Good Night!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Israeli money trails through the SEC and short-selling are nowhere to be
found.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
So if the SEC records are sealed, than therefore Storch's article is a fabrication.
Do you agree?
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
I think that Bush' approach to Iraq can be imitated, not only condemned. Let
Israel prove its innocence by opening the files of Mossad for a third-party
inspection, or else. And open Dimona, too, at the same time. And I would
like Lenni to tell us explicitly why such a demand is not good for us. Islamic
fundamentalism is an extremely small peanut in comparison with the Jewish
(ok, Zionist, if you insist) operation.
"You do a disservice to the cause when you accuse Israel of crimes it didn't
do." - claims Lenni. I wonder, why? How can one be so sure that they did not
do it? Did Bush do disservice to the Zionist cause when he blamed 9/11 on
Iraq?
As the following article points out: "But there is more than a little
circumstantial evidence to show that Mossad - whose motto is 'By way of
deception, thou shalt do war' - was spying on Arab extremists in the USA
and may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to
withhold vital information from their American counterparts which could
have
prevented the terror attacks."
Now this article states that Israeli intelligence simply knew about the attacks,
not that Israel in any way facilitated such attacks. The intrepid Justin
Raimondo made a more reasonable assessment of the information when he
wrote: "At the very least, the mechanics of what is obviously a covert
operation directed by Israel imply a certain degree of foreknowledge. At
worst, the details of this complex and by-no-means completely uncovered
spy
ring may wind up pointing to active (albeit one-sided) Israeli collusion with
the mass murderers of 9/11. While the first conclusion is a virtual certainty,
the second is, admittedly, speculation. What's scary is that such theorizing is
not without a certain basis in fact."
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032202.html
There is an old adage that when a crime is committed, the first question to be
asked is 'Cui bono? Obviously, Israel has been the big beneficiary from 9/11.
The Neocons began the effort to implement the war on Iraq immediately
after 9/11 took place. Was it simply a case of serendipity? Would Israel allow
such an event to take place, if it were aware of it? Would Israel dare to try to
facilitate such an event?
For years stories have circulated that Israeli agents--especially its foreign
intelligence agency the Mossad--have infiltrated Arab terrorist networks and
have sometimes actually been involved in deceptive terrorist
activities intended to appear as the work of Arabs. For example, it has been
alleged that the Mossad had thoroughly infiltrated the nefarious terrorist
group Abu Nidal and even facilitated some of its terrorist activities for
Israel's benefit. [Patrick Seale, Abu Nidal: A Gun for Hire (New York:
The belief that Israel might engage in such deceptive terrorism against the
United States was expressed in a 2001 study by the Army's School of
Advanced Military Studies (SAMS). A poignant reference to this study
appeared in a front page article in the Washington Times on September 10,
2001, one day before the horrific attack The article read: "Of the Mossad, the
Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and
cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a
Palestinian/Arab act.'"
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/washingtontimes091001.h
tml
The only major media outlet that gave attention to the Israeli "art student"
spying was, ironically, the pro-war Fox News, in articles presented by
reporter Carl Cameron. Some telling quotes from Cameron.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about
evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US
official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
"Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to
pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide." Carl
Cameron, as quoted in The Spies Who Came In From The Art Sale,
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-13/fishwrapper.html
Fox was under intense pressure from pro-Israeli lobbying groups, such as the
Anti-Defamation League and the Orwellian-named Committee for Accuracy
in
Middle East Reporting, to stop reporting on the issue of Israeli spies. Fox
obliged and removed the Cameron reports from its web site.
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-13/fishwrapper.html
A final intriguing tidbit regarding Israel and 9/11 that might not mean
anything, but then . . .
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
See Above! I have decided to use this thread as a repository for info on 9/11.
Since there is no real debate between me and TC since JD refuses to open this
thread. It seems like that is the best thing to do. Periodically I will be posting
interesting tidbits about 9/11 here.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
When are you gonna discuss the actual events of that day?
Quote:
A member of the inquiry team, a US Air Force officer who flew over 100
sorties during the Vietnam war, told the press conference: “Those birds
(commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they
were being maneuvered by remote control.”
In evidence given to the enquiry, Captain Kent Hill (retd.) of the US Air
Hill also quoted Bob Ayling, former British Airways boss, in an interview
given to the London Economist on September 20th, 2001. Ayling admitted
that it was now possible to control an aircraft in flight from either the ground
or in the air. This was confirmed by expert witnesses at the inquiry who
testified that airliners could be controlled by electro-magnetic pulse or radio
frequency instrumentation from command and control platforms based
either in the air or at ground level.
All members of the inquiry team agreed that even if guns were held to their
heads none of them would fly a plane into a building. Their reaction would
be to ditch the plane into a river or a field, thereby safeguarding the lives of
those on the ground.
A further question raised by the inquiry was why none of the pilots
concerned had alerted ground control. It stated that all pilots are trained to
punch a four-digit code into the flight control’s transponder to warn ground
control crews of a hijacking - but this did not happen.
During the press conference Captain Hill maintained that the four airliners
must have been choreographed by an Airborne Warning and Control System
(AWACS). This system can engage several aircraft simultaneously by
knocking out their on-board flight controls. He said that all the evidence
points to the fact that the pilots and their crews had not taken any evasive
action to resist the supposed hijackers. They had not attempted any sudden
changes in flight path or nose-dive procedures - which led him to believe that
they had no control over their aircraft.
The FBI also came in for criticism for the various pieces of contradictory
evidence it has published regarding the suspects. Questions are now being
asked as to how incorrect information was given out regarding the ID cards
of the suspects, and the seat numbers they supposedly occupied after
boarding the flights.
None of the suspects named by the FBI appeared on any of the official
passenger lists. A further point was how the FBI had managed to retrieve the
passport of one of the suspects amid the molten and twisted remains of
thousands of tons of steel and rubble brought about by the Twin Towers
collapse.
Colonel Donn de Grand said that if President Bush is lying it would not be
the first time that the American people had been mislead by its government.
He cited the recently published official government archives describing
President Roosevelt’s duplicity in deceiving Americans about the Japanese
attack on Pearl Harbor, which triggered the US entry into WWll.
“Not for the first time the American public might be being mislead, by those
with ulterior motives, into lending its support to a war, this time against Iraq,
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
See Above!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
See Above!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Saudi Prince Al-Walid bin Talal: Making our way in a globalized world
Quote:
We should have asked why 15 young Saudi men perpetrated the September
11 terrorist acts. Let’s stop being naive and say that Israel was behind them
or that their scheme goes beyond Saudis’ thinking. We should have asked
that question before May 12. Do we need another operation? Let’s stop
beating around the bush. We should wake up now and ask ourselves why
we have fundamentalism. Why this extremism, this fanaticism?
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{Thoughtcriminal Wrote}
Quote:
'You have to ask the simple question: Why 15 Saudis? You can't just say it
happened by coincidence,' Prince Alwaleed said in an interview with the Los
Angeles Times.
Quote:
Until recently, he said, many in Saudi society had been nurturing other
theories about the attacks.
'They were trying to come up with these conspiracy theories or that maybe
Israel was behind it or some other Jewish organization. It just doesn't make
sense,' he said.
ruh roh!!!!!
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You are most likely a Serbo Jewish war criminal with refugee asylum in
Canada. So keep your ass tight, or its going to the Hague - Alphaville81
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
"You have to ask the simple question. Why 15 Saudis? You can't just say it
happened by coincidence," Alwaleed said in an interview with the Los
Angeles Times, referring to the 15 Saudis among the 19 hijackers in the
attacks on New York and Washington.
I hate to say it, but my experience both with knowing some of the Saudi
My personal experience with one Saudi Royalty was when I had my own
business as an IBM Business Partner. His name was Sheikh Ibrahim. This
person although presenting an air of Islam and speaking Arabic, Quran, etc
with great authority and proficiency was corrupt to the core. The number of
women he seduced broke more records than any playboy pimp I knew of in
the U.S. His corrupt business dealings and the hurt he caused even to his
own people were horrendous. I started to get involved with him in a venture
involving millions of dollars. I have to thank G’d that I was able to get out of
it in time without seriously getting hurt. When I left, the Pakistani brother
who was his accountant for several years also resigned. He was impressed
that I was able to see through him so quick while it took him years to get to
that point.
I have lost a lot of respect for many of the dumb so-called Princes in Saudi. I
have learnt too much about how westernized and corrupt many of them are
to stomach any true respect for them. My experience with Sheikh Ibrahim in
Dallas pales in comparison to what other Saudi Royalty is guilty of doing.
From close Saudi confidants I have learnt much about their corruption to
warrant any respect from me. They have become perfect tools to be used and
discarded by the Israelis and Americans at will.
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{Ansar Wrote}
Quote:
If our leaders have been proved to be liars about the sick and sinful
destruction of humanity in Afghanistan and Iraq, why do a majority of
Americans still accept what these same lying leaders said about the
9/11 atrocity, that it was the work of foreign terrorists who envied
our freedom! As Gerard Holmgren once so aptly said, this is the most
ridiculous of all conspiracy theories to believe.
To a special few, responsibility for the 9/11 butchery has always been
obvious. Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about the need for it in a book, and
the Republican-dominated Project for a New American Century
recommended
it as a desirable event for achieving its goals.
In the history of the world, there has never been a bigger lie than
9/11, yet most Americans still cling in closed-minded terror to the
official story, swallow their pride at airports as minimum-wage
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fascists probe their private parts, stick flag decals on their cars in
hopes they won't be pulled over and jailed for something they don't
expect by Ashcroft's new storm troopers, and watch in numbed banality as
the official government investigation begins by saying they already
know who did it, so there's no sense investigating that.
Let that one roll through your mind: American cops are now just the
guards at Auschwitz, participating in the elimination of all those who
won't participate in the American master plan of enslaving the world.
Can you say death chamber at Guantanamo with no real trial?
How can this possibly be happening? How can Americans have gone
brain-dead all at once? It didn't happen overnight, I can tell you.
From the Kennedy assassination onward, Americans have been conditioned
to accept phony excuses for political crimes as protests and questions
are all blunted in a mind-numbing miasma of bureaucratic mazes. So
everyone gave up trying to ask questions, and rationalized their
indifference as not critical to my survival. Time to guess again.
Even more disturbing than the murderous plans of Bush and his petronazi
gang of Zionist manipulators is the silent acquiescence of the
so-called opposition. These "liberal" Democrats CREATED the Patriot
Act, which castrates our Constitution. These gutless bureaucrats, ever
mindful of the need to attract corporate campaign contributions, went
along with Bush's invasions for fear of losing the votes of mindless,
flag-waving fascist Americans.
I get a big laugh out of all these calls for petitions on various
issues. Ha. And the same goes double for all this talk about the next
election. Ha ha. The elections of 2000 proved Americans no longer have
elections. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Who they want to win
will win, and they have both the technological expertise and the cash
on hand to make it happen. Just ask any Supreme Court justice.
Take your presidential candidate and stuff him. The American system of
democracy is dead. The presidential campaign is a sideshow to delude
the American populace into thinking they still have choice about what
happens.
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
A most enlightening article providing more proof to show that the Israeli
Mossad was responsible for 9/11 and that the government agency that was
most complicit in helping them pull 9/11 off was the U.S. Department of
Defense. A truly excellent read!
Not long after September 11, 2001, a story surfaced on the Internet accusing
Another tragedy was born and reared out of those reports. A number of anti-
Semitic bigots hopped on the bandwagon of that ill-considered, wild
conjecture and misused it to feed their rant against Jews.
Al-Qaeda? What benefit? Even terrorists need a cause. "They hate America"
isn't a cause. "They're jealous of America's freedoms" isn't a cause.
What about G.W. Bush and the Republican Party? While the “Patriot” theme
and “fighting terrorism” undoubtedly aided the Republicans in the 2002
elections as well as their legislative agenda, the risk of prolonged occupations
accompanied by deaths of military personnel argue against any long term
benefit to Bush and his party. Combine that with continued loss of credibility
over the falsehoods used to justify unilateral attacks on Iraq, and any
The Bilderberg group and the financial interests of a "New World Order"?
That international finance has been served by 9/11 seems obvious with the
US being looted to serve a trans-national elite with no allegiance to any
nation. That they're organized enough to plan and execute a national disaster
like 9/11 is impossible. (http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Bilderbergers.html)
Israel? Without a sliver of doubt, Israel was/is the major benefactor of the
9/11 strike. How has Israel benefited? Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency,
believed that Iraq could have weapons of mass destruction and Israel wanted
Iraq neutralized before they had a chance to use them against Israel.
(http://pballes.com/updates9.htm)
How does 9/11 fit into the Iraq-Israel scenario? 9/11 provided the clarion call
for the so-called war against terrorism. Without 9/11, the U.S. would have
had no excuse for invading Afghanistan. The battle against Al-Qaeda and bin
Laden was the precursor to the invasion of Iraq; and the trumped up
connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda provided the excuse for invading
Iraq.
There's no doubt that Israel's Mossad, the Middle East intelligence experts as
far as America is concerned, provided the assessment of Iraq's WMD's to
America. The following Associated Press report (December 8, 2003) makes
clear, though perhaps unwittingly, that Israelis believed that Iraq had
WMD's.
The Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire
to see Saddam Hussein toppled, said Shlomo Brom, once a senior Israeli
military intelligence officer and now a researcher with Israel's top strategic
think tank.
...
Brom said in an interview today that "Israeli intelligence was a full partner
with the United States and Britain in developing a false picture of Saddam
Hussein's weapons of mass destruction capability".
He said Israeli intelligence "badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel and
reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed".
Brom said the Israeli assessment might have been influenced by politics.
Considering again the answer to the question “who benefited from 9/11?” it
becomes perfectly clear that Israel, and Israel alone, had reason to plot and
execute the disaster that hit The World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the
four flights involved in that fateful September day in 2001. Israel, however,
couldn't possibly have executed such a plan alone without help from some
US authorities. Who might possibly provide the means for accomplishing
that genocidal goal?
The FBI and the CIA along with the general category of "the Bush
Administration" have been suggested in conjecture about possible
accomplices in a conspiracy. "The Bush Administration" is much too broad to
even be nominated for serious consideration, with the ever-present
possibility that somewhere among the ranks there might be a whistle blower
The FBI has certainly refused to cooperate with inquirers outside the
government; but that refusal to release information in ongoing investigations
cannot be logically interpreted as part of a cover-up. The same can be said for
the CIA. Additionally people in both agencies have revealed that they had
advanced knowledge of the potential hijackings.
Apart from other considerations, the CIA, having shared intelligence with
Mossad and having been burnt on a number of those occasions with false
intelligence, would have no love lost for the deceivers among their Israeli
counterparts. According to Gordon Thomas, “both the FBI and CIA regard
Mossad as a clear and present danger to U.S. national security.”
(http://www.antiwar.com/orig/thomas2.html)
Who's left as cooperative partners in the 9/11 executions that would form the
basis for the American invasions against all objections from most of the rest
of the world? The process of elimination leaves only the Department of
Defense (DoD). Its leaders are secretive enough to keep its plans under
wraps. To violate the top-secret code of silence, even by someone who later
felt moved by conscience to disclose the truth, would be cause for court
martial and a death sentence for treason, if not to an assassination made to
look like a suicide.
Unlike the CIA, which has "never killed Americans" in its covert activities,
the DoD has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, both
in the military and among civilians considered as collateral damage. The
DoD has no qualms about killing Americans when it serves their purpose.
For 60 years the DoD managed to cover up their prior knowledge of the
planned Pearl Harbor attack by the Japanese that killed 4575 US Navy
personnel. The DoD also stopped US fighter jets from scrambling to end the
Israeli massacre of US Navy personnel on the USS Liberty.
(http://www.ussliberty.org/)
The DoD is the only body that could have kept the North American
Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) from performing its duty to
scramble fighter jets to intercept the hijacked planes on 9/11. The DoD was in
Similarly, just as they were in a position to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor,
they did not. There was no excuse for that failure other than using the attack
to justify U.S. entry into WWII. That the DoD did not intercept the hijacked
aircraft on 9/11 is evidence that they wanted the end result to happen and
participated in the attack.
Leading civilians in the DoD figure among US leaders serving Israel. Paul
Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Douglas Feith have been more devoted to
Israeli interests than they have to those of America. At best, they have acted
as "dual loyalists."
Along with the DoD triumvirate, add the two white house controllers. First,
David Wurmser, whose Israeli wife and close friend Perle make him the
perfect conduit to VP Richard Cheney. "...it was precisely because of the
strategic importance of the Levant that Wurmser advocated overthrowing
Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in favor of an Iraqi National Congress....
'Whoever inherits Iraq dominates the entire Levant strategically,' he wrote in
one 1996 paper for the Jerusalem-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and
Political Studies." (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?
title=David_Wurmser). Iraq could not be 'inherited' without 9/11 as an excuse
for a pre-emptive strike.
The second, Elliot Abrams, described in The Nation as "the nastiest policy
warrior as Washington has seen in decades" was convicted of lying to
Congress about the Iran Contra affair and he serves Israel in the National
Security Council. As Jim Lobe observed in Tom Paine "Israel's Likud Scores
Big With White House Appointment." Abrams would have no qualms about
sacrificing American lives for Israel's benefit.
Victor Ostrovski (By Way of Deception and The Other Side of Deception)
made it perfectly clear that Mossad often infiltrated any organization it
There's no reason to believe that the Arabs involved in the hijacking, who
were not the expert flyers with the skills required to accomplish the flying
feats of 9/11, had a clue about where they would end up in planes guided by
remote control. All the hijackers had to do was turn over the guidance to
ground control in the hands of the DoD. (http://www.9/11-
strike.com/remote_bb.htm)
Since the supposed Arab hijackers couldn't even fly small planes solo,
according to the testimony of their flight instructors, and since remote control
devices had proven effective, the process of elimination again points to the
only conclusion remaining: 9/11 was planned and executed by Mossad and
the DoD in order to justify military action in the Middle East for the major
benefactor, Israel.
Until now, the belief that Israel could have anything to do with planning or
executing the atrocities of 9/11 have been arbitrarily dismissed as ‘conspiracy
theory’. The Anti Defamation League (ADL) in America has labeled any such
beliefs as anti-Semitic. Conveniently, the ADL has chosen to ignore the fact
that Arabs are also Semites. Furthermore, presenting a well-reasoned case
against Israel—even when it or its agent’s activities are criminal—does not
constitute anti Semitism. Israel, through its admittedly deceptive intelligence
arm, Mossad, in tandem with a DoD run by "dual loyalists", had all that it
takes to establish a case in a court of law: the means, the motive and the
opportunity.
If the ADL or any other group wishes to protect its followers from the
dangers of spreading anti-Semitism, they need to closely examine the
activities of the war hawks in both Tel Aviv (or Jerusalem) and Washington.
Most importantly, they need to ask and seek an honest answer to the
question: who benefited from the catastrophe that killed thousands on
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Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
How does 9/11 fit into the Iraq-Israel scenario? 9/11 provided the clarion call for the
so-called war against terrorism. Without 9/11, the U.S. would have had no excuse
for invading Afghanistan. The battle against Al-Qaeda and bin Laden was the
precursor to the invasion of Iraq; and the trumped up connection between Iraq and
Al-Qaeda provided the excuse for invading Iraq.
See Above!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
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Considering again the answer to the question “who benefited from 9/11?” it
becomes perfectly clear that Israel, and Israel alone, had reason to plot and
execute the disaster that hit The World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the
four flights involved in that fateful September day in 2001. Israel, however,
couldn't possibly have executed such a plan alone without help from some
US authorities. Who might possibly provide the means for accomplishing
that genocidal goal?
See Above!
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
It is critical for anyone who is really after knowing the truth to consider two
of the most significant events involving Americans since the year 2000. How
Quote:
The following is from the September 18, 2001 issue of the Jerusalem Post!
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This was an accusation more than it was a warning. Mossad's pointing the
finger to Bin Laden in advance was an attempt to ensure that Bin Laden was
blamed for the attack, to pre-empt the finger-pointing. They wanted no other
possibilities to be considered. As a result a lock was placed on Bin Laden.
In both these examples Israel led American actions on who to blame and who
to attack. Can we say it is coincidence that the only nation in the world that is
leading us to blindly follow their suggestions in matters of critical
importance to the U.S. is Israel? How is it that this small nation has so much
power and pull over the mighty U.S.?
This should be of great concern to Americans. We are being led to kill and be
killed not as a result of American interests but as a result of being
manipulated by a foreign country for their gain. We have been told who did
9/11, the worst domestic attack on U.S. soil, and also blocked from doing any
reasonable investigation to find the true culprits from the available evidence.
We have been told that there is proof but after more than 2 years none have
been shown to the American public. It is as if Americans don’t know
anything about frame-ups even though Israel has been guilty of framing
Arabs on numerous occasions for actions they commit. Even with Israelis
also admitting that they manipulated Americans and Brits to attack Iraq with
false intelligence, the average American still remains blind. We are indeed in
a very dark period of American history. This is a very sorry state of affairs for
us. What is worse is the death and misery our nation has unleashed on
millions of innocent Muslims as a result of being manipulated by Israel. Is it
any wonder that Jews think so little about the intelligence of gentiles?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
The following post shows how far Israel will go to frame Arabs for their
crimes. This time they were caught creating a phony Al-Qaeda ring in
Palestine. The proof was shown to the U.S. The big question is what is our
government going to do about it?
http://www.mediabypass.com/archives/february-03.htm
The United States government has been provided with concrete evidence
that the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been
involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al Qaeda
cell" among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in
the U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide
"revenge without borders" policy. The question: Does the United States
have the moral fiber to investigate?
Evidence of the Israeli dirty tricks burst onto the public scene on December 6,
when Col. Rashid Abu Shbak, head of the Palestinian Preventive Security
Services in the Gaza Strip, held a press conference revealing the details of the
alleged plot, as his agency had put the pieces together.
The revelations undermine the "big lie" that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has
used to justify new brutal attacks on Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip
and other occupied areas. Sharon claimed on December 4 that Israeli
intelligence had "hard evidence" of al Qaeda operations in the Gaza Strip.
Now, the top Palestinian leadership has shown the United States and other
nations how Israeli intelligence entities were creating that al Qaeda link!
News about the Mossad-run attempt to create an al Qaeda cell came when
well-informed intelligence sources based in Washington had already told the
Executive Intelligence Review (EIR) that there are many doubts about the
Mossad's hasty declaration that "al Qaeda" had been responsible for the
November 28 attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, where three Israelis were
killed, and the failed rocket attack on an Israeli chartered jet that was
departing from Mombasa airport.
There was no identification of the bombers within the first five days of the
incident, the sources pointed out, yet Sharon's government ministers went on
an immediate propaganda rampage announcing worldwide revenge.
Authorities in Kenya also denied the al Qaeda link. But the usefulness of
blaming al Qaeda, for the Israeli right, was palpable, when Foreign Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu called the Kenya attacks "a golden opportunity" to
prove to the United States that Bush's war on terrorism, and Israel's war with
the Palestinians is the same thing. Netanyahu's faction has violently rejected
the Palestinian Authority's revelations, and so far, the American and
European press have followed suit, despite the dramatic nature of these
charges, and the documents that the Palestinians have provided to the
international press.
On December 7, the British news service, Reuters, the Israeli daily Ha'aretz,
and Qatar-based Al-Jazeera TV network, all reported that the Palestinian
Authority had accused the Mossad of creating a phony al Qaeda cell in the
Gaza Strip. Ha'aretz reported, "the head of Palestinian Preventive Security" in
Minister Shaath announced at the press conference that the P.A. had "handed
ambassadors and consuls of the Arab and foreign countries, documents
revealing the involvement of the Israeli intelligence in recruiting citizens
from Gaza Strip in a fake organization carrying the name of Qaeda." He said
the ploy was intended "to create a new excuse to escalate the aggression on
Gaza Strip."
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
The United States government has been provided with concrete evidence
that the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been
involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al Qaeda cell"
among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in the
U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide "revenge
without borders" policy. The question: Does the United States have the moral
fiber to investigate?
Re: Did the Mossad commit the terrorist acts against the US on 9/11?
{Ansar Wrote}
I want to add the following post by artbishop to this thread. He makes some
excellent points regarding evidence from videos at the airport pointing to the
Arab hijackers. These are other things that also have to be considered
regarding 9/11. The only thing I like to add is that the evidence is
overwhelming that it was Israelis, along with corrupt elements in the US
government, who masterminded 9/11. This has been my whole case on this
thread. Also I believe that the 5 celebrating Mossad agents caught
videotaping the event, were also involved with planting explosives in the
WTC buildings.
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We are SICK and TIRED of this Bush knew and let it happen kaka! SICK of
everyone saying bush knew bush knew bush knew bullshit! We have to
STOP this CHARADE and spit it out already!
BUSH and his brother Captain MARVEL and the shadow cabal/gov
MASTERMINDED 9/11.
The mere fact that they shipped the debris if the WTC to the scrap yards in
Pakistan speaks volumes of cover-up. They didn’t want us to find
explosives in the debris that no 19 hijackers could have placed that only
MARVIN and his security firm that handled the WTC could have placed.
The nagging fact that the THREE AIRPORTS where the alleged hijackers
boarded the planes were run by an Israeli security firm...and they DO NOT
have any security cameras installed in the airports and cannot produce any
security camera video footage of the 19 NINETEEN "hijackers" is an
INSULT to our intelligence. That is IMPOSSIBLE. The first thing one
would hook up when handling the SECURITY of an airport is video
cameras. That is SOP....EVEN 711's have them!
Be sure that there were videos of all the passengers that day in all those
airports.
They would have beaten us to death with them on FOX and CNN if they had
footage of NINETEEN HIJACKERS.
They didn’t and the fact that they don’t say that there were NO hijackers.