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CHU NOMINATION

HEARING
BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON
ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES
UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
TO

CONSIDER THE NOMINATION OF STEVEN CHU TO BE

SECRETARY OF ENERGY

JANUARY 13, 2009

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COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES

JEFF BINGAMAN, New Mexico, Chairman
BYRON L. DORGAN, North Dakota
RON WYDEN, Oregon
TIM JOHNSON, South Dakota
MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana
MARIA CANTWELL, Washington
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey
BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, Arkansas
BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont
EVAN BAYH, Indiana
DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan
MARK UDALL, Colorado
JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire

LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska

RICHARD BURR, North Carolina
JOHN BARRASSO, Wyoming
SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas
JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho
JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona
ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah
JIM BUNNING, Kentucky
JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama
BOB CORKER, Tennessee

ROBERT M. SIMON, Staff Director

SAM E. FOWLER, Chief Counsel
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KAREN K. BILLUPS, Republican Chief Counsel

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CONTENTS
STATEMENTS
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Bingaman, Hon. Jeff, U.S. Senator From New Mexico ........................................

Boxer, Hon. Barbara, U.S. Senator From California ............................................
Chu, Steven, Secretary of Energy-Designate ........................................................
Devers, Chris, Chairman, Council of Energy Resource Tribes ............................
Feinstein, Hon. Dianne, U.S. Senator From California ........................................
Murkowski, Hon. Lisa, U.S. Senator From Alaska ...............................................

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Responses to additional questions ..........................................................................

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CHU NOMINATION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 13, 2009

U.S. SENATE,
NATURAL RESOURCES,
Washington, DC.
The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room SD
366, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Jeff Bingaman, chairman, presiding.
COMMITTEE

ON

ENERGY

AND

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JEFF BINGAMAN, U.S.

SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO

The CHAIRMAN. OK. Why dont we get started?

The committee meets this morning to consider the nomination of
Dr. Steven Chu to be the Secretary of Energy.
President-elect Obama will not officially nominate Dr. Chu until
the new President is sworn in himself this next Tuesday. It is customary, however, for the Senate to confirm noncontroversial cabinet nominations at the beginning of a new Administration by unanimous consent without first referring them to committee. It is customary to do so immediately following the inaugural ceremony. We
have extended this courtesy to 7 of President Bushs nominees 8
years ago and to some of President Clintons nominees 16 years
ago.
In keeping with the past practices here in the committee, I have
scheduled todays hearing on Dr. Chus nomination and scheduled
another hearing on Thursday on Senator Salazars nomination in
order to give members an opportunity to ask questions of the nominees and consider the nominations prior to the inauguration.
Unless there is serious opposition to one or both of the nomineesand I am certainly not aware of anyit is my hope that the
committee might also be able to take a vote on the nominations
later this week as well.
Dr. Chus nomination comes at a pivotal time in the Departments history. The Department faces the daunting challenges of
reducing our dependence on foreign oil and fossil fuels, developing
new sources of clean energy, finding ways to capture and store carbon emissions, modernizing our electric grid and developing more
efficient energy technologies. At the same time, the Department
must fulfill its traditional mission of maintaining our nuclear deterrence, cleaning up the environmental legacy of the cold war, and
advancing the frontiers of scientific discovery and technological innovation.
We are very fortunate to have a nominee of Dr. Chus high caliber to take on these responsibilities. He will bring to the job the
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keen scientific mind of a physicist and Nobel laureate, the experience and understanding of the Department of Energy of a National
Laboratory Director, and the insight and vision needed to forge an
energy policy for the 21st century.
President-elect Obama has made an excellent choice in nominating Dr. Chu to be the Secretary of Energy. I strongly support
his nomination, as I have said. I hope the committee will approve
this nomination later this week and that the full Senate will confirm him for this position next Tuesday.
Let me call on Senator Murkowski to make any statement she
would like to at this point.
STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, U.S. SENATOR
FROM ALASKA

Senator MURKOWSKI. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Dr. Chu, welcome. Good morning and thank you for your willingness to serve in this capacity this morning.
I would just like to note, as we begin, that when we think about
the role that the Department of Energy plays and their mission to
advance the Nations energy security, whether it is promoting scientific and technological innovation, ensuring the environmental
clean-up of the national nuclear weapons complex, the tasks that
are before the Department of Energy are clearly not easy tasks.
The astronomer, Carl Sagan, once observed that we live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
Now, that may be true of some people. It certainly is not the case
with you, Dr. Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist. I think it is
probably fair to say that you are uniquely positioned in your ability
to bring with you your background in the science and the technology. As the Director of the Department of Energys Lawrence
Berkeley National Laboratory, Dr. Chu brings a distinguished
record of scientific achievement to the position of Energy Secretary.
Dr. Chu, I know that you are keenly aware of the magnitude of
the position for which you are being considered. I commend you for
agreeing to undertake the challenge. I appreciate the opportunity
that we had to discuss a few of the issues that you will be facing
when we met last week, and I look forward to your comments this
morning as you elaborate even further.
The Senators that join this committee do so because of the importance of these issues to their constituents, as well as to the Nation as a whole. I encourage you to be mindful of our intense interest in the decisions that you will be making. I look for your commitment, if confirmed, which I fully expect will happen here, to
work closely with each of us as you consider and develop the Departments energy policies.
Again, I thank you for your willingness to serve the Presidentelect and our country, and I do look forward to your comments this
morning. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Murkowski.
I note one of our colleagues is here. Obviously, Dr. Chu is a constituent of Senator Feinstein, and I believe she is here to make a
short statement to the committee, and we welcome her. Go right
ahead.

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STATEMENT OF HON. DIANNE FEINSTEIN, U.S. SENATOR
FROM CALIFORNIA

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Senator Murkowski, members of the committee. Not only is Dr. Chu
a constituent, but in the interest of full disclosure, both he and his
wife Jean are friends. So this is very easy for me, and I am delighted to be able to introduce him to you at this time.
Simply stated, in my opinion, there is no one brighter or better
equipped than this man to become Secretary of Energy. Dr. Chu is
persistent, persuasive, and passionate about science. I think you
will find that his determination is infectious. He also has the power
to inspire action and produce change. He is certain to marshal the
enthusiasm and the leadership of the Department when he takes
the helm at the Energy Department.
Dr. Chu received a Ph.D. in physics from the University of California at Berkeley. He spent the bulk of his academic career at
Stanford University and the University of California where he
heads the pioneering Lawrence Berkeley Lab. At both schools, Dr.
Chu is considered one of the great, brilliant thinkers of his generation, and his contributions to the field of science are internationally
renowned. As Senator Murkowski stated, in 1997 his research was
recognized with the Nobel Prize in physics I believe for using a
laser to be better able to gauge the size of atoms. He will correct
me if that is inaccurate.
In 2004, the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab recruited him to
run the lab. His directorship has been nothing short of revolutionary. Dr. Chu has initiated and encouraged brainstorming sessions across scientific disciplines. He convinced great scientists
from biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, and nanotechnology to switch
specialties and work together to address our Nations energy challenges.
When Dr. Chu first arrived, the lab did not push the scientific
envelope of renewable energy technology. Today that has all
changed. Dr. Chu has called global warming and the need for carbon-neutral renewables the greatest challenge facing science and
has rallied his team of scientists to address it.
This collaboration has created cutting-edge ideas which he then
fought to fund. He helped secure a $500 million BP, British Petroleum, grant for a biosciences institute and successfully established
one of the Department of Energys joint bioenergy institutes.
His efforts have yielded great results. At the Bioenergy Research
Center, our best scientists are working to crack the mystery behind
how enzymes in termites turn wood into energy. Lawrence Berkeley researchers have developed a new battery technology that holds
10 times the amount of electricity of existing batteries, and the
labs scientists are exploring and might be able to bring to reality
the idea of artificial photosynthesis.
There is no doubt that we need a scientist of Dr. Chus caliber
at the Department of Energy.
But let me just mention one other pressing issue Dr. Chu will
face at the Energy Department and that is nuclear policy. The cold
war is over, but there remain thousands of dangerous missiles in
the worlds arsenals, most maintained by the United States and
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the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Today the
threat is even more complex as more nations pursue nuclear ambitions and the world becomes less secure.
The Obama Administration, under Steve Chus leadership at the
Energy Department, has the opportunity to develop a new bipartisan policy that will determine the role nuclear weapons will play
in our Nations security strategy and the size of the future stockpile. By law, President-elect Obama must set forth his views on nuclear weapons and U.S. national security strategy in his Nuclear
Posture Review by 2010.
I hope that the Administration will move the United States closer to the dream of one of the predecessors, Ronald Reagan, who in
his second inaugural declared: We seek the total elimination 1 day
of nuclear weapons from the face of the earth. I think Dr. Chu,
a physicist who understands nuclear technology far better than I,
will bring a valuable perspective to our efforts to reduce the nuclear threat. So I look forward to working with him.
It is just a delight to introduce him to you, Mr. Chairman. I
know my colleague, Senator Boxer, is here. California is worse off
for his loss and the Energy Department is much better off. So
thank you very much.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.
Senator Boxer, did you have a statement for the committee?
STATEMENT OF HON. BARBARA BOXER, U.S. SENATOR
FROM CALIFORNIA

Senator BOXER. I do. I would ask unanimous consent that the entire statement be included in the record.
The CHAIRMAN. It will be included.
Senator BOXER. I will make it shorter than the written statement.
Senator Bingaman and Senator Murkowski, my friend and colleague, Senator Feinstein, and all my friends on this committee on
both sides of the aisle, I am very proud and pleased to be here to
introduce such an accomplished choice for Energy Secretary, Dr.
Steven Chu.
The reason I was late in getting here is I am sitting in Foreign
Relations where Senator Clinton is about to speak. So forgive me
if I jump up and run back, but we all have those conflicts today.
It is an exciting day all over the Hill.
Todays nomination hearing is one of the many steps our country
will take as we move in a new direction to secure our Nations energy independence and tackle the enormous challenges of global
warming. I believe the United States must be a world leader in developing new renewable and alternative energy technologies to protect our environment, to protect the health of our people, but even
more important, to be a leader in the world. We do need a leader
at the Department of Energy with a vision for moving our economy
and our environment forward in these difficult times, and I think
President-elect Obama has found that leader in Dr. Chu.
Thomas Friedman put it concisely in his most recent book, Hot,
Flat and Crowded. I commend that book to all of you. He said
and I quote himthe ability to develop clean power and energy
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countrys economic standing, environmental health, energy security, and national security over the next 50 years.
The nominee before us today has made it clear he understands
this. Dr. Chu is uniquely qualified to be Secretary of the Department of Energy with experience in the public, private, and academic sectors. A Nobel laureate physicist and a professor of physics
and molecular and cell biology at UC-Berkeley, Dr. Chu has been
on the forefront of research and development, winning the Nobel
Prize in 1997 for work on the development of methods to cool and
trap atoms with laser light.
Dr. Chu has served as Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab since 2004, giving him direct knowledge and insight into
the valuable work carried out at our national labs and work that
this committee oversees. Dr. Chu developed innovative projects
such as Helios, Lawrence Berkeley National Labs solar initiative
to create transportation fuels from water and carbon dioxide.
Dr. Chu earned undergraduate degrees in mathematics and
physics from the University of Rochester, a Ph.D. in physics from
the University of California at Berkeley, a postdoctoral fellow at
UC-Berkeley before joining AT&Ts Bell Labs. He has been awarded 10 honorary degrees, published 220 scientific papers, been
awarded numerous awards, including the American Physical Societys Arthur Chalow Prize for laser science and a Guggenheim fellowship. He has served on numerous boards, including the Hewlett
Foundation, the Executive Committee of the National Academys
Board on Physics and Astronomy. Dr. Chu has also served as an
advisor to the directors of the National Institutes of Health and the
National Nuclear Security Administration.
Mr. Chairman, I think all of us who have worked here for a long
time have heard it so often stated that science must lead us.
Science is the key. We have our man in Dr. Chu. When we demand
good science, up-to-date science, we can trust that he knows it. I
am so proud to be here with my colleague, Senator Feinstein, to introduce an extraordinary nominee from my home State of California, and I so look forward to supporting his confirmation before
the full Senate.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and Ranking Member Murkowski,
and thank you all.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you for your statement. I thank both of
you. I know that you do have other hearings you need to go to, and
please feel free to excuse yourselves as appropriate.
The rules of the committee, which apply to all nominees, require
that nominees be sworn in connection with their testimony. Dr.
Chu, I would ask that you stand and raise your right hand.
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give
to the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources shall
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Mr. CHU. I do.
The CHAIRMAN. You may be seated.
Before you begin your statement, I will ask three questions that
we address to each nominee before this committee. The first is this.
Will you be available to appear before this committee and other
congressional committees to represent departmental positions and
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Mr. CHU. I will.
The CHAIRMAN. The second question is, are you aware of any personal holdings, investments, or interests that could constitute a
conflict of interest or create the appearance of such a conflict
should you be confirmed and assume the office to which you have
been nominated by the President?
Mr. CHU. All of my personal assets have been reviewed by myself
and the appropriate counselors with regard to conflicts of interest,
and I have taken appropriate action to avoid any conflicts.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
The third question is, are you involved or do you have any assets
that are held in a blind trust?
Mr. CHU. No.
The CHAIRMAN. At this point, it is customary for us to invite the
nominee to introduce any family members who are present. If you
would like to do that, please go right ahead.
Mr. CHU. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I would like to introduce
two family members with me today. Joining me is my wife, Jean
Chu, wherever she is, to whom I owe so much. She has been my
steadfast partner, a highly valued counselor, and a great source of
strength. Also joining us is my brother, Morgan Chu, who has traveled from Los Angeles for this event.
The CHAIRMAN. We welcome both of them.
At this point, why do you not go ahead and make your opening
statement, Dr. Chu, and then we will undoubtedly have questions.
TESTIMONY OF STEVEN CHU, SECRETARY OF
ENERGY-DESIGNATE

Mr. CHU. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Bingaman, Ranking Member Murkowski, members of
the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you
today. I would also like to thank Senator Feinstein and Senator
Boxer for that gracious introduction.
I am deeply honored that President-elect Obama has selected me
to serve as his Energy Secretary and I thank him for his support
and confidence.
Mr. Chairman, this committee knows well the challenges we
face. Climate change is a growing and pressing problem. It is now
clear that if we continue on our current path, we run the risk of
dramatic, disruptive changes to our climate in the lifetimes of our
children and our grandchildren. At the same time, we face immediate threats to our economy and our national security that stem
from our dependence on oil. Last years rapid rise in oil and gasoline prices not only contributed to the recession we are now experiencing, but it also put a huge strain on the budgets of families all
across America. Although prices are now lower, we know that the
economy remains vulnerable to future price swings. We must make
a greater, more committed path toward energy security through a
comprehensive energy plan.
President-elect Obama recognizes that we must take sustained
action to meet these challenges and he has put forward a comprehensive long-term plan to do so. It is an aggressive plan, but
one which I believe is achievable. I would not have accepted the
President-elects nomination if I had not thought it was essential

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that we move ahead on this plan. In many ways, President
Obamas plan builds on the good work of this committee in recent
years. Elements of this plan include a greater commitment to wind,
solar, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources; aggressive
efforts to increase energy efficiency of our appliances and buildings;
more efficient cars and trucks and a push to develop plug-in hybrids; greater investment in technology to capture and store carbon
emissions from coal-fired power plants; a continued commitment to
nuclear power and a long-term plan for waste disposal; responsible
development of domestic oil and natural gas; increased commitment to research and development of new energy technologies; a
smarter, more robust transmission and distribution system; and a
cap and trade system to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.
Taken together, these elements of President-elect Obamas plan
will put us on a course to a better energy and environmental future, create new jobs and industries, restore U.S. energy technology
leadership, and help form the foundation of our future economic
prosperity. It will be my primary goal as Secretary to make the Department of Energy the leader in these critical efforts.
In pursuing this goal, I will use my experience as Director of
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. As head of this 4,000-person organization for the last 4 and a half years, I have worked to
focus the lab on our energy problems. In particular, we have challenged some of the best scientists at the Berkeley Lab to turn their
attention to the energy and climate change problem and to bridge
the gap between the science that the Office of Science supports so
well and the applied research that leads to energy innovation. We
have also worked to partner with academia and industry. These efforts are working and I want to extend this approach throughout
the DOEs network of national laboratories where 30,000 scientists
and engineers are at work performing cutting-edge research.
At the same time, I recognize the Department of Energys mission is extremely broad and has many additional priorities that will
command my attention.
The work of the National Nuclear Security Administration in
maintaining our Nations nuclear defense and promoting nonproliferation throughout the world is critical for our national security. I take this responsibility extremely seriously, and I am committed to work with the President, the national laboratories, other
agencies, Congress, and other organizations in the community to
assure a safe and reliable nuclear stockpile and to address proliferation concerns as part of a long-term vision of a world without
nuclear weapons.
The Department also has legal and moral obligations to clean up
the waste left from over 50 years of nuclear weapons production.
I know that many of you represent States where the Department
has not yet fulfilled these obligations. Cleanup of these materials
is a complicated, expensive, and a long-term process, but I pledge
to you I will do my best to accelerate these efforts in order to protect human health and the environment and to return contaminated lands to beneficial use.
I also pledge to continue the important work of the Department
in many other areas, including the Power Marketing Administrations delivery of affordable energy, the modernization of the elec-

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tricity grid, and the assembly of reliable energy data by the Energy
Information Administration.
Finally, I am a proud member of the committee that produced
the report, Rising Above the Gathering Storm, commissioned by
Chairman Bingaman and Senator Alexander. The overarching message of that report is simple: the key to Americas prosperity in the
21st century lies in our ability to develop our Nations intellectual
capital, particularly in science and technology. As the largest supporter of the physical sciences in America, the Department of Energy plays an essential role in the training, development, and employment of our current and future core of scientists and engineers.
If confirmed, I pledge to nurture this incredible asset that is so essential for our economic prosperity.
As diverse as these missions and programs are, my efforts as
Secretary will be unified by a common goal: improving management and program implementation. Simply put, if the Department
is to meet the challenges ahead, it will have to run more efficiently
and effectively. One of my first priorities will be to put together a
strong leadership and management team, one that shares not only
my vision for the Department, but also my commitment to improving the way the Department does business.
I do not underestimate the difficulty of meeting these challenges.
But I remain optimistic that we can meet them. I believe in the vitality of our country and our economy, and as a scientist, I am
ever-optimistic about our ability to expand the boundaries of what
is possible.
If I am confirmed as Secretary of Energy, I commit to you that
I will provide strong, focused, energetic leadership. In particular, I
look forward to a close partnership with this committee. In my role
as Secretary, I look forward to a new chapter of collaboration with
this committee and with others in Congress as we embark upon an
ambitious mission to address our Nations goals toward a sustainable, economically prosperous, and secure energy future. The challenges we face will require bipartisan cooperation and sustained effort. I know that President-elect Obama is committed to exactly
this kind of effort. If confirmed as Secretary, I will do my utmost
to serve him and our great Nation to the best of my abilities.
Thank you, and I would be happy to take any questions you may
have.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Chu follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT

OF

STEVEN CHU, SECRETARY

OF

ENERGY-DESIGNATE

Chairman Bingaman, Ranking Member Murkowski and members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. I am deeply honored that President-elect Obama has asked me to serve as his Secretary of Energy
and I thank him for his support and confidence.
Mr. Chairman, this committee knows well the challenges that we face. Climate
change is a growing and pressing problem. It is now clear that if we continue on
our current path, we run the risk of dramatic, disruptive changes to our climate system in the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren. At the same time, we face
immediate threats to our economy and our national security that stem from our dependence on oil. Last years rapid spike in oil and gasoline prices not only contributed to the recession we are now experiencing, it also put a huge strain on the budgets of families all across America. Although prices are now lower, providing some
relief to American consumers, we know that our economy remains vulnerable to future price swings. We must make a greater, more committed push towards energy
independence and with it a more secure energy system.

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President-elect Obama recognizes that we must take sustained action to meet
these challenges, and he has put forward a comprehensive, long-term plan to do so.
Its an aggressive plan, but one that I believe is achievable. I would not have accepted the President-elects nomination if I had not thought that it was essential to
move ahead on this plan. In many ways, President Obamas plan builds on the good
work of this committee in recent years: a greater commitment to wind, solar, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources; aggressive efforts to increase energy
efficiency of our appliances and buildings; more fuel efficient cars and trucks, and
a push to develop plug-in hybrids; greater investment in technology to capture and
store carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants; a continued commitment to nuclear power and a long-term plan for waste management and disposal; responsible
development of domestic oil and natural gas; increased commitment to research and
development of new energy technologies; a smarter, more robust transmission and
distribution system; and a cap-and-trade system to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.
Taken together, these elements of President-elect Obamas plan will put us on a
course to a better energy and environmental future, create new jobs and industries,
restore U.S. energy technology leadership, and help form the foundation for future
economic prosperity. It will be my primary goal as Secretary to make the Department of Energy a leader in these critical efforts.
In pursuing this goal, I will be building on my work as the Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. As Director of this 4,000-person organization for the
last four years, I have worked to focus the lab on our energy problems. In particular,
I have challenged some of the best scientists at the Berkeley lab to turn their attention to the energy and climate change problem and to bridge the gap between the
mission-oriented science that the Office of Science does so well and the applied research the leads to energy innovation. I have also worked to partner with academia
and industry. I know that these efforts are working, and I want to extend this approach to an even greater extent throughout the Departments network of National
Laboratories where 30,000 scientists and engineers are at work performing cuttingedge research.
At the same time, I recognize that the Department of Energys mission is extremely broad. For that reasons, many additional priorities will command my attention and focus.
The work of the National Nuclear Security Administration in maintaining our Nations nuclear defense and promoting nonproliferation throughout the world is critical to our national security. I take this responsibility extremely seriously, and I am
committed to working with the President, the National Laboratories, other agencies,
Congress and other organizations in the community to assure a safe and reliable
nuclear stockpile and to address proliferation concerns as part of a long-run vision
of a world without nuclear weapons.
The Department also has legal and moral obligations to clean up the wastes left
over from 50 years of nuclear weapons production. I know that many of you represent states where the Department has not yet fulfilled these obligations. Cleanup
of these materials is a complicated, expensive, long-term project, but I pledge to you
to do my best to accelerate these efforts in order to protect human health and the
environment, and to return contaminated lands to beneficial use.
I also pledge to continue the important work of the Department in many other
areasthe Power Marketing Administrations delivering affordable energy, programs to modernize the electricity grid, the Energy Information Administrations energy market data, and many others.
Finally, I was proud to be a member of the committee that produced the report
Rising Above the Gathering Storm, commissioned by Chairman Bingaman and
Senator Alexander. The over-arching message of that report is simple: the key to
Americas prosperity in the 21st century lies in our ability to nurture and grow our
nations intellectual capital, particularly in science and technology. As the largest
supporter of the physical sciences in the U.S., the Department of Energy plays an
essential role in the training, development and employment of our current and future corps of scientists and engineers.
As diverse as these missions and programs are, my efforts as Secretary will be
unified by a common goal: improving management and program implementation.
Simply put, if the Department is to meet the challenges ahead, it will have to run
more efficiently and effectively. One of my first priorities will be to put a strong
leadership and management team in placeone that shares not only my vision for
the Department, but also my commitment to improving the way the Department
does business.
I do not underestimate the difficulty of meeting these challenges. But I remain
optimistic that we can meet them. I believe in the dynamism of our country and

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our economy. And as a scientist, I am ever-optimistic about our ability to expand
the boundaries of what is possible.
If I am confirmed as Secretary of Energy I commit to you that I will provide
strong, focused, energetic leadership for the many missions of this Department. In
particular, I look forward to a close partnership with this Committee. In my role
as Secretary, I look forward to a new chapter of collaboration with this committee
and others in Congress as we embark on an ambitious, and urgent, mission to move
to a sustainable, economically prosperous, and secure energy future. The challenges
we face will require bipartisan cooperation and sustained effort. I know that President-elect Obama is committed to exactly this kind of effort. If confirmed as Secretary, I will do my utmost to serve him and our great nation to the best of my
abilities.
Thank you and I would be happy to take any questions that you may have.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you for your statement. Let me start with
a couple of questions, and I am sure other members will also have
questions.
One of the issues, of course, that we are focused on is the development of this massive economic recovery bill, or stimulus bill, or
whatever the phrase is you want to apply to it. The expectation
that I think all of us have is that it will contain literally tens of
billions of dollars for energy infrastructure development, for efficiency improvements, for weatherization, for research and development, for demonstration programs aimed at stimulating the economy but also solving our long-term energy problems.
There has been a lot of frustration here in our committee and
more generally I think about the length of time it has taken to implement some of what we have previously enacted. I am particularly thinking about title 17 of the 2005 energy bill which called
for establishment of a loan guarantee program. We still have no
loan guarantees that have been made under that.
I guess my question to you is whether you are confident that the
Department will be able to implement all of the new responsibilities that are contemplated in this economic recovery bill for the
Department and do so in a rapid and responsible way.
Mr. CHU. Senator, thank you for the question. I share your concerns. As I said in my opening remarks, during my tenure as Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, although most people
view me as a scientist, I spent probably three-quarters of my time
paying attention to the operations side of the house. Economic
stimulus really means that one has to move quite fast. It is very
important that I and the management team that I hope to assemble can actually move very rapidly in this direction.
The CHAIRMAN. We wish you well in that regard.
Let me also ask you about the new organizational charts that we
read about being established in the executive branch. There was a
period, as you are well aware, when there was very little interest
in the general public and perhaps in Government as well on the
whole subject of energy, and I am sure during those periods there
was very little desire on the part of others in the Government to
weigh in on energy-related issues. Now my impression is that just
the opposite is the case, and there is a great deal of interest on all
sides. That is good.
I know the President-elect has established or indicated his desire
to establish a White House coordinator for energy policy, that some
refer to as a czar. I wanted to know your take on how does this
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change, which you referred to, as it relates to others in the Administration. Will you be able to be a strong voice and policymaker on
that issue as well as energy issues as you see it?
Mr. CHU. Senator, again you raise an important issue. I think
the President-elect, choosing to start this office of energy and climate change as a coordinating body it speaks to the importance he
views this area. Just as the country has a Council on Economic Policy, a Council on Nuclear Policy, this is one move that shows the
countrys energy and climate change future is a very important
issue.
So I am looking forward very much to working very closely with
Ms. Browner on this issue. She has a difficult task ahead of her
in trying to coordinate people not only in the Department of Energy
but many other stakeholders such as the Department of the Interior, EPA, the Treasury, and so on. I am very hopeful and looking
forward to working with her. I have so far had very positive encounters, and I think it will be a collaborative and closely cooperative relationship.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.
Senator Murkowski.
Senator MURKOWSKI. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, thank you for your comments this morning. I particularly appreciate the words about the importance of education and
making sure that we are growing our scientists and those that will
enable us to move this technology forward.
I also think that within the Department of Energy, one of the
challenges that we face is how we educate the rest of the country
on what it is that we need to be doing, educating them more on
how as individuals and as families they can make a difference with
conservation and efficiency within their own home. So the education piece is important, and I hope you appreciate that that is a
big challenge within the Department itself.
I want to ask you specifically on a couple of issues. First is domestic oil and gas production. Last year in July, the President removed the Presidential moratorium that had prevented development on the Outer Continental Shelf, and then Congress let a similar ban expire at the end of the year. I know that your comments
say that we must focus on conservation. I agree. I agree that we
also need to be moving forward with renewable energy sources, but
I also feel very strongly that we have to enhance our domestic oil
and gas production.
Will you join us in opposing reinstatement of either ban and encouraging greater production of our domestic resources both onshore and offshore?
Mr. CHU. The President-elect has said that looking at oil production and gas production both onshore and offshore as part of a comprehensive energy policy is something that he supports, and I also
support that.
But I should also say, Senator, as you well know, that the reserves of the United States are perhaps 3 percent of the worlds reserves. I know the numbers from 2005. Something like 5 percent
of the worlds production of oil comes from the United States. So
while it is important to fold into this the continued development of
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As you and I both agree, the more efficient use of energy in the
United States is the one big factor that can most help us decrease
our dependency on foreign oil.
Senator MURKOWSKI. We certainly agree on that, but I think we
also both agree, as you have saidthat energy security should be
our key issue here. I just came also from the Foreign Relations confirmation hearing of Secretary Clinton where, again, even upstairs
in Foreign Relations, the focus is on energy security and how that
melds with national security.
Let me ask you about nuclear energy. You have indicated in your
statements and in our conversations that you support continued
nuclear development. I think we recognize, as we want to move toward a world where we have greatly reduced our emissions, that
nuclear is a very key component in our energy package there.
The Nuclear Waste Policy Act requires that in exchange for a $1
million per kilowatt hour fee on nuclear power, the DOE has an
unconditional obligation to take and dispose of that nuclear waste.
That was beginning back in 1998. Obviously, they are about 10
years late. The projected taxpayer liability for DOEs failure is $11
billion at this point and growing.
With regard to Yucca Mountain, I understand that the Presidentelect Obama has said he opposes its opening. If confirmed, what do
you propose to do in the short term to meet the Governments obligation as it relates to the nuclear waste issue? Also, if you could
speak just a little bit about the option of nuclear fuel recycling.
Mr. CHU. Thank you, Senator. I think these are very thorny
questions, as you know. The President-elect has stated his position
very clearly. On the other hand, the Department of Energy has an
obligation, a legal obligation, to safely provide a plan that allows
the safe disposal of this nuclear waste. Indeed, I am supportive of
the fact that the nuclear industry should have to be part of our energy mix in this century. So in going forward with that, we do need
a plan on how to dispose of that waste safely over a long period
of time.
There is a lot of new science that is coming to the fore, and I
pledge as Secretary of Energy that I would work with the members
of this committee to try to use the best possible scientific analysis
to try to figure out a way that we can go forward on the nuclear
waste disposal. So it will occupy certainly a significant part of my
time and energy.
Senator MURKOWSKI. Can recycling be a part of that solution?
Mr. CHU. Yes. Again, in the long term, recycling can be a part
of that solution. Right now, even though France has been recycling
and Japan is starting to recycle; and Great Britain is now beginning to look at this, I think from my limited knowledge about that,
that the processes we have are not ideal.
There is an urge to increase the proliferation resistance of recycling. This dates back to the days of the Carter Administration
where he said the United States will go to once through recycling
in order to decrease the chance of nuclear proliferation. Now we
are in a different place in time. There are other countries doing recycling. So the idea here now is to do it in a way that makes it
more proliferation-resistant and there is an economic feasibility
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This is in my mind actually a research problem at the moment
and something that the Department should be paying a lot of attention to. I think there is time to look at it and develop a means,
but certainly recycling is an option that we will be looking at very
closely.
Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Chairman, my time has expired.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Johnson.
Senator JOHNSON. Welcome, Dr. Chu. As you know, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory is named after a South Dakotan, Ernest Orlando Lawrence. He was not only a South Dakotan,
but he was an undergraduate at the University of South Dakota.
That is as an aside.
What do you believe are the most important policies in accelerating the construction of high voltage electrical transmission
lines and for connecting new renewable energy projects to the grid?
Mr. CHU. Senator, you hit upon a very crucial element in our development of renewable resources because, as you know and many
Senators in this room know, some of the greatest renewable energy
resources lie in areas like the Dakotas; and great solar resources
in the southwest of the United States which are far from population centers and the energy has to be transported to where there
are more people. So the challenges are how do we construct these
very expensive lines across State boundaries, sometimes through
States that have not much to gain, quite frankly, from them to population centers that would benefit from these renewable energies.
So one really has to look perhaps at a new way of doing business.
My understanding is currently the area that pays the brunt of this
cost, if not exclusively the cost of these transmission lines, is the
point of origin of power generation. I think we might have to relook
at that and see what else can be done. The development of renewable energy in the United States is a national concern, and so we
have to really think nationally about that.
So to answer specifically your question, there are two obstacles.
The siting is one, and it is a complicated interaction between the
Federal Government, State and local authorities, and the people
whose back yards these transmission lines go through. So this is
something that is critically important to how do you site these in
a way that takes into consideration the local feelings but yet also
recognizes the national need. So this is by far and away the biggest
obstacle. Mostly we have the technologies, and it is really siting
that I see as the biggest obstacle.
Senator JOHNSON. If the United States is going to produce 36 billion gallons of biofuel by 2022, what policies do you think need to
be in place to make sure we get there? Would these policies include
moving toward a higher level of blends of ethanol such as E15 or
E20?
Mr. CHU. In answer to your question, Senator, this is partly a
technical question as to whether this can be done, without major
redesign, automobile manufacturers engines. My understanding is
when you go up to E10, 10 percent ethanol, this is all right. You
can replace the fuel lines to make them resistant to this ethanol
blend. You can go to E85, which is 85 percent ethanol, and that
works. I frankly do not know, and this is one of the things we have
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whether one can safely go to E15, E20, and higher. But this is
something again that is on the table.
Senator JOHNSON. Dr. Chu, I know you are aware of plans for
a large scientific project being developed in the State of South Dakota known as the deep underground and engineering laboratory.
Operation of this facility would ultimately require a great deal of
collaboration between NSF and DOE, which you seek to lead.
Could you comment on the prospects for this kind of interagency
scientific collaboration both with respect to this particular project
and, more importantly, with respect to pursuit of DOEs overall
mission?
Mr. CHU. Thank you for that question, Senator. You may or may
not know I actually visited the DUSEL underground laboratory. I
met with the Governor, and it is a very exciting project. As you
said, it is headed by the National Science Foundation, but a member of the Berkeley Lab and an adjunct faculty member at UCBerkeley is actually managing that project.
Now, going forwardand this has to do with conflict of interest
I am going to have to remove myself personally from any decisions
with respect to that project because the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory is deeply involved with that.
But with regard to the cooperation of the Department of Energy,
I think this is very important. My understanding is this is heavily,
squarely in the sights of the Department of Energy in terms of
what they plan to do with their high energy physics accelerator in
Illinois, the Ferme Lab, to send a beam of neutrinos to the underground laboratory at DUSEL. So the cooperation between the NSF
and the DOE is essential, and I am optimistic that that will not
be a problem, but well see.
Senator JOHNSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Senator Burr.
Senator BURR. Dr. Chu, welcome. Thank you for the time you
and I have spent together. I agree with the chairman. I hope we
can expeditiously take care of your nomination out of this committee and on the Senate floor.
Let me follow up on Senator Johnsons question as it related to
transmission. Do you support allowing FERC to have expanded authority as it relates to transmission?
Mr. CHU. That is a very pointed question, Senator. Let us just
say that I know the bottlenecks, and there has been a lot of frustration. What little I know about this is that the Department of
Energy has authority to designate critical corridors and FERC to
actually enforce that as essentially a right-of-way. There are two
designated corridors, one in the New Jersey area and one in California-Arizona, and were now mired in what I believe are lawsuits.
So it is a difficult question because what you really want to do
is to make these things happen as quickly as possible. So it has to
be a negotiation, quite frankly, in my opinion. If one just expands
the authority and gives it more power, my feeling is the States and
the local people in those States might react. So one wants to try
a gentler approach, but in the end I think, again, it is in the national interest to develop a national grid system that can port energy, especially renewable energy, across the country.

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Senator BURR. I think we both share the common goal as to
where we need to get to, and I look forward to working with you
on how we accomplish that national grid that is sufficient for the
future.
In 2005, we passed EPAct, and that Energy Policy Act incorporated a loan guarantee program for companies willing to step out
and build new nuclear generation. It was authorized at $18.5 billion, not sufficient for the future, but a good start.
Just recently Progress Energy in North Carolina announced two
new plants in Florida that they would construct, and they made
the statement that they think that they will seek to do these without DOE loan guarantees because they had run into too many hurdles with the program. One, it has been slow to get up and running
and structurally in place. Now, all of a sudden, we are hearing
companies that talk about it is problematic to go that route. We are
on a time line that from a reliability standpoint, we have to start
construction and we have to do it soon.
Do you support the loan guarantee program, No. 1?
Mr. CHU. Senator, yes, I do.
Senator BURR. If confirmed, do you commit to expanding the authorization levels?
Mr. CHU. I think that is a matter for Congress.
Senator BURR. Seeking to expand.
Mr. CHU. I think it is something that is very important, as I said
before, the development of nuclear power. But the little I know of
what these companies are doing, it is a mixture of the loan guarantee program and the local regulatory authorities that can allow
the utility companies to fold whatever they want to do into the rate
base.
The point here is that nuclear power, as I said before, is going
to be an important part of our energy mix. It is 20 percent of our
electricity generation today, but it is 70 percent of the carbon-free
portion of electricity today. It is baseload. So I think it is important
that we push ahead.
I sharewhat little I know againyour frustrations with the
time it has taken, and I will do my best to, as I said before, put
together a leadership and management team that can do it in a
more timely manner.
Senator BURR. Do I have your commitment that you will work
to make this a more workable program?
Mr. CHU. You absolutely do.
Senator BURR. Thank you, Doctor.
Last question. Do you feel that a formal international R&D effort
should be pursued on items like battery technology, all-electric
platforms, waste reprocessing? Or should we pursue this as the
United States of America, though there is a need globally for that
technology?
Mr. CHU. Let me answer that, Senator, by saying what we, the
United States, and the world need to do is to get to the place where
we want to go as rapidly as possible. In many of these instances,
I do believe that international cooperation is the best way to get
there. So the short answer is yes.
Senator BURR. Thank you, Dr. Chu.
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Senator DORGAN. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.
Mr. Chu, I am excited by your nomination, and I am pleased that
you are here today.
You and I have had an opportunity to visit several times, and I
will be chairing the Energy and Water Appropriations Subcommittee, which funds your agency. I will have the opportunity to
call you as a witness before my subcommittee, and we will talk at
greater length about a wider range of issues.
But I am interested in virtually everything that has been talked
about here. I am interested in the drilling issues, renewables, energy efficiency, coal, transmission, and Yucca Mountain. There is a
lot to talk about, and you see the wide interests of the Senate Energy Committee.
I think this is an important time where urgent action needs to
be taken on some energy issues. So I am pleased that you are a
nominee, and I am happy to vote for you.
I do want to say that while I am a strong supporter of renewables, wind, solar, biofuels, and many others, I believe very strongly in energy efficiency. We need to work hard on this. The efficiency issues are critically important. All of those are important.
I want to talk to you today just for a few moments about fossil
energy, especially coal. You and I have talked at some length about
the issue of coal because 50 percent of all the electricity that we
use in this country comes from coal. All of us understand we have
to use coal differently in the future, but I think most of us understand we are going to change how we use coal in the future. I do
not think anybody believes that beginning next month, next year,
or the next decade we are going to decide we are not going to use
our most abundant resource. The question is how do we use it.
What kind of investment in technology and capability can we make
that allows us to use coal in a way that does not injure this environment?
So I have a couple of questions mixed together. No. 1, what is
your notion about promoting and developing clean coal technologies? How strongly do you feel about that, about continuing to
invest in carbon capture and sequestration research?
As you give me your assessment of your interest in those issues,
I want you for the committee, because you have done it for me
and I am perfectly well satisfied. A number of people have noted
the statement you made that coal is your worst nightmare. I understand the context in which you made it. If we continue to use coal
around the world and in this country and China and India with no
controls, that is a scenario that I would describe as a nightmare
as well. But we are not going to continue that way. So you said
what you said and that has been ricocheting around the Internet.
Please address that for the committee as well, as you talk about
carbon capture and so on.
Mr. CHU. Senator Dorgan, thank you for giving me the opportunity to expand on that quote that has been ricocheting around
the Internet.
I said that in the following context. If the world continues to use
coal the way we are using it todayand by the world I mean in
particular not only the United States but China and India and
Russiathen it is a pretty bad dream. That is to say, in China, for

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example, they have not yet begun to even trap the sulfur dioxide
and nitrous oxide. There is mercury. There is particulate matter,
as well as carbon dioxide.
But I also say many times in my talks that coal is an abundant
resource in the world. Two-thirds of the known coal reserves in the
world lie in only four countries, the United States first and foremost, followed by India, China, and Russia. India, China, Russia,
and the United States I believe will not turn their back on coal.
So it is imperative that we figure out a way to use coal as cleanly
as possible.
So for that reason I am optimistic we will develop those technologies to capture a large fraction of the carbon dioxide that is
emitted in coal plants and safely sequester them. So if confirmed
as Secretary of Energy, I will work very hard to extensively develop
these technologies so that the United States and the rest of the
world can use them.
I also think there are some people in the United States who feel
perhaps we should turn off coal, but even if we do it, China and
India will not. So we are in a position to develop those technologies
so that the world can capture the carbon. So I feel very strongly,
as you know in my communications to you before the nomination,
well before the nomination, that I feel very strongly that this is not
only an opportunity, it is something the United States, with its
great technical leadership, should rise to the occasion to develop.
Senator DORGAN. I think that is helpful to the committee. The
fact is I think most of us believe we have to do almost everything
well. I mean, there is almost no source of energy that we should
not be embracing and deciding through research, technology and
additional capability that we can use it to enhance this countrys
energy future.
One of my great concerns, I might just say in closing, is that the
price of oil went to $147 in day trading like a Roman candle, shot
way up, and now has come down. You go to the gas pump today,
and the pain is gone for the moment. But that should not in any
way diminish our appetite and the urgency to pursue the kinds of
things on renewables, on conservation, and also as Senator Murkowski and others have said, more production. We need to produce
more, conserve more and go to a different kind of energy future as
well. As I indicated with coal and I think as you have indicated
also we need to use coal in a different way. In order to do that, we
need to put forward a substantial amount of money which President-elect Obama has pledged to do to give us the research capability to unlock these mysteries, and I believe we will. I am optimistic about it.
Dr. Chu, thank you very much. I am excited with your nomination.
Mr. CHU. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Barrasso.
Senator BARRASSO. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, congratulations. Welcome. Thank you for having your
family with you today. I appreciated the time that you spent with
me in the office last week. It was very helpful.
One of the things we talked about is this past summer when energy prices were up. There were significant consequences for Amer-

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ican families, for the American consumer, and for American business. In these economic times, a number of the members of the
Senate are reading a book called The Forgotten Man about the history of the Great Depression as we compare and look for solutions
and we look at a stimulus package.
In one of Franklin Roosevelts last campaign speeches, when he
was running for President, he talks about energy and he talked
about suffering by the taxpayer. He says the taxpayers suffer when
you pay $6 a month for electricity instead of $2. So he knew and
they knew then that there are tradeoffs, and when costs go up and
expenses are high, it impacts families all around this country.
It is interesting on this committee because 32 years ago when
Jimmy Carter came into the United States, we had had the long
gasoline lines. When you look at the history of that, he charged a
small group of energy planners, James Schlessinger, to produce a
comprehensive energy plan in 90 days, and they had a number of
different plans in there. They came with a package to the committee, and at that time, they wanted tax incentives for companies
switching from oil and natural gas to coal. They also wanted tax
penalties for those companies that did not switch to coal. So I am
encouraged by the comments by Senator Dorgan on our need for all
of the sources of energy.
Concerns were raised with me when I read an article in one of
the Wyoming papers that talked about President-elect Obama. He
said America must develop new forms of energy, new ways of using
it, to which I agree completely. He went on, however, to say that
the dangers of being too heavily dependent on foreign oil are
eclipsedare eclipsedonly by the long-term threat of climate
change which, unless we act, will lead to drought, famine, and so
on, so that that is eclipsing the concerns we have for our national
security, energy security as we look globally.
You have responded to the questions from Senator Dorgan about
coal. I have other questions along that line, if I may. One has to
do with Vice President-elect Bidens comments where he said during the campaign, no coal plants here in America. I would like to
have your comments on that concept and where we really do go
from here in terms of carbon capture and sequestration. I know you
met with members of the Illinois delegation the other day to talk
about the project that they have been looking at in Illinois.
Mr. CHU. So specifically let me just say that, as I said to Senator
Dorgan, the coal resources in the United States are immense. I am
very hopeful and optimistic that we can figure out a way to use
those resources in a clean way. So I think, again, it is a question
of science and technology and really putting the pedal to the floor
on trying to develop as quickly as possible the capture and sequestration technologies. I am very hopeful that this will occur, and I
think that we will be using that great natural resource.
Senator BARRASSO. That goes to the question of how dollars are
allocated, how investment decisions are made, and with limited resources in our Nation, do we go ahead along those lines for carbon
capture and sequestration knowing that coal right now is the most
affordable, available, reliable, and secure source of energy? What
would your advice be as you are trying to make careful spending
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Mr. CHU. It is one in whichmy advice would be, No. 1to take
your question to a slightly different place, as we go forward and
build more power plants, we have good experience in my own
State, California, where the conservation of energy, energy efficiency, the offloading of energy at peak time to less demanding
times is a great investment of intellectual thinking because what
it does is enable power companies to build fewer power plants,
whatever they might be, whether they are the coal plants, nuclear
plants, whatever. That actually means directly that there is a
lower rate to American families because it is a return on investment for those utility companies that invest in these plants.
So the biggest thing we can doand California has learned this
very wellis that you can slow up the building of new power
plants, and that is very important. As you slow up the building of
new power plants, we in the Department of Energy, if I am confirmed, would be working very hard to bring up these technologies
as quickly as possible. So I think it is very important that we do
the best we can on energy efficiency. That in my mind really remains the lowest hanging fruit for the next decade or two.
Senator BARRASSO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My time has expired. If there is a second round, I would like to have some additional questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Senator Sanders.
Senator SANDERS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, thank you for being in the office the other day, and welcome.
Dr. Chu, this morning we have talked a little bit about nuclear.
We have talked about coal and other technologies, but we have not
talked about solar. Last year Senator Bingaman was kind enough
to host a hearing in Albuquerque, New Mexico on the potential of
solar thermal plants. There are some experts who believe that the
Southwest of this country is, in fact, the Saudi Arabia for solar energy and that we have the potential to produce 15 to 20 percent
of our electricity from these solar plants.
Right now on the drawing boards, there are probably a dozen different plants that are being talked about. Some are pretty far
along. They are ready to go. But because of the current crisis in
the flow of credit, many of those plants are not moving forward.
My first question, therefore, is would you be willing, as Secretary, to sit down with the solar industry and myself to see the
role that the Government can play in expediting the development
of solar thermal plants.
Mr. CHU. Senator Sanders, I definitely would be willing to do
that. I share your enthusiasm. Ultimately going forward, solar energy is a great resource in the United States, and we need to learn
to exploit that.
Senator SANDERS. You see potential in solar thermal plants in
particular.
Mr. CHU. I see great potential in solar thermal plants.
Senator SANDERS. Thank you.
States like California and New Jersey have been very innovative
through tax credits, through incentives in encouraging people to
put photovoltaic units up on their rooftops. Can we learn some-

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thing from those States in terms of Federal policy in creating an
energy system in which people all over this country are encouraged
to have solar panels on their roofs and businesses as well?
Mr. CHU. It would be foolish for me to say that the rest of the
United States cannot learn something from California, although
the rest of the Senators might think differently. But in any case,
I think there are a number of policies in California that have been
proven to be very effective. Solar is one of them, the encouragement to put solar panels on rooftops.
But let me go back. They have done wonders in promoting energy
efficiency in California. In the last 35 years, the use of electricity
per person in California has remained constant while the rest of
the United States went up over 50 percent.
Senator SANDERS. Not in the State of Vermont. We have done a
very good job in energy efficiency as well.
Let me ask you this question. As you well know, the Federal
Government is a major consumer of energy in the military, in all
of our buildings, and all of our vehicles. It has seemed to many of
us for a very long time that the Federal Government can play an
extraordinary leadership role in moving toward energy efficiency
and moving toward a variety of sustainable energies.
Can you give us some idea of how buildings and Federal fleets
and perhaps your work with the militaryhow at the end of the
first Obama Administration our buildings and fleets will look differently than they are today?
Mr. CHU. Senator, thank you for that opportunity. Let us start
with buildings. Buildings consume 40 percent of the energy used in
the United States today, roughly half and half between residential
and commercial buildings.
The Berkeley Lab has been talking and working with companies
like United Technologies. We think that new commercial buildings
can be built in a cost-effective way to actually reduce the use of energy in those buildings by 80 percent and with an investment that
would pay for itself in 10 years. We are very gung ho on developing
these ideas and to prove to the construction community that this
is, in fact, not just fluff but it is real.
Senator SANDERS. Very good.
My last question is a simple one. We have many wonderful national laboratories throughout the country. We do not have any in
New England and we think we have a lot to offer. Is that something that we might be able to discuss as well?
Mr. CHU. We can certainly discuss it. New England is one of the
centers of the great universities in the United States.
Senator SANDERS. Absolutely. Also, given our climate up there,
when we talk about energy efficiency and learning more about that
and talking about sustainable energy, it would be a good idea to
have some laboratory in a climate where the weather gets 20 below
0. Burlington, Vermont, for example.
[Laughter.]
Senator SANDERS. Thank you very much, Doctor.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sessions.
Senator SESSIONS. Thank you, Chairman Bingaman, and thank
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Mr. Chu, I would like the opportunity to visit with you as your
confirmation goes forward. I have not had that opportunity. I hear
good things about you. I think you are on a road to a successful
confirmation. Good science, good management is important for
America.
For every cabinet agency, in particular, Energy, we have had
some frustrations on, I think, both sides of the aisle about some of
the programs. You have been asked about the loan program. That
really needs to move forward. It is just very frustrating to see it
be delayed as it is.
There are so many things I would like to ask you, but let us talk
about nuclear power. You have mentioned it as an option, as something that will be part of the mix. I guess my question to you is,
if you accept the CO2 as a global warming problem, is it not important that we accelerate this proven source of clean energy? Will you
take a lead not just to talk about it, not just to opine about it, as
we often do, but actually do the things necessary to see if we cannot restart a nuclear industry in America? Are you committed to
that?
Mr. CHU. Senator, yes, I am. I think, first, to get these first several projects going. In the meantime, we have to do the work necessary to see if recycling in proliferation-resistant and economically
viable ways is also feasible. I think those are two areas that are
very important.
Senator SESSIONS. Now, recycling is something that I have offered legislation on and I believe is important because not only
does it dramatically reduce the quantity of waste, but it actually
reduces dramatically its toxicity and its dangerous life cycle to 600
years I think from 100,000 years. Other nations are doing it.
I was a bit troubled that you quoted Carters decision. I think
that was one of the more colossal disasters in the last 30 years in
energy.
But certainly as you noted, France recycles. Japan is doing it.
The Brits are talking about it. Russia, using basically the technology that we had.
So are you committed to making a breakthrough here? You
know, we can study this and study it and, the perfect being the
enemy of the good, not get around to starting now to develop a recycling system that we know will work, waiting to have one that
is much better. How would you analyze that?
Mr. CHU. Again, I am not an expert in recycling technologies, but
from the little I know, it is a technology thatin fact, I believe the
technology that France is using, a modified version of that, was invented in the United States.
But as I said before, it is not a perfect technology, and the Brits
and the Japanese are also looking to improve this. So this is something, in terms of the question on international cooperationI
think, one, to go forward and try to develop something that we in
the United States and the rest of the countries would be happy
with is something very important.
Senator SESSIONS. These delays tend to be a depressant on going
forward with nuclear power in general, and so we, I think, need to
make a decision pretty quickly about whether we would want to
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Mr. CHU. Senator, so there are two questions. One is do we start
by restarting the nuclear industry and building some reactors, socalled generation 3 and 3-plus reactors. Plans are underway, as
mentioned, to start those.
The recycling issue is something that we do not need a solution
for today or even 10 years from today. I think we have to figure
out a way to store that spent fuel safely, which is another critical
issue in this, and then figure out a plan for long-term disposition.
So having said all of that, it does not mean that you stop everything today. It is very much like coal. We will be building some
coal plants, and one does not have a hard moratorium on something like that while we search for a way to capture carbon and
store it safely. It is very analogous in my mind.
Senator SESSIONS. Just to conclude, I would thank you for your
service. I do believe you have an opportunity to be an important
leader for the country and would hope that you would remember
the burden on the individual by driving up costs of energy. I believe that had a big impact in our economic slowdown. It is hurting
people throughout this country. Lower-cost energy is a good thing.
I would also urge you to consider that the real crisis economically
for America is that liquid that we are importing for our vehicles
and the crisis economically and on the national security is not on
electricity, but really what we can do to reduce our dependence on
foreign oil.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Senator Landrieu.
Senator LANDRIEU. Thank you, Dr. Chu. I too enjoyed our visit
in the office and look forward to many more. Your confirmation
looks like it is moving forward with dispatch. But two comments
and then three very brief questions.
I listened with interest to your comments to Senator Murkowski
about the known inventory in the United States of oil and gas and
just wanted to point out that the emphasis is on the word known
because we believe, many of us, that there are great resources that
have yet to be discovered based on the fact that there has never
been a comprehensive technology-driven inventory taken of oil and
gas resources.
So one of the things that our chairman has been leading the effort with some degree of success with my support and others has
been to push the U.S. Government on behalf of the taxpayers who
might be interested to actually know how much oil and gas they
have. So with so much off limit in the past and with limited access
to just look, I would just urge you to be careful about the comment
about 4 percent. It is true. We have 4 percent of the known reserves, but there is great evidence to suggest that there are lots of
reserves that are unknown.
No. 2, the importance of developing the right kinds of technology
in this country on safe soil and in water where there are high environmental standards can never be underestimated to the world. We
do not have pirates in the Gulf of Mexico today. We did. Jean LaFitte, but since he left, I have not heard or read about one since.
But there are pirates all over the world, just what happened last
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men and women who had been held under the gun. Oil and gas industries cannot practice their craft safely in many places in the
world.
If we would allow them to practice their craft here on and offshore with high standards and courts that can step in that exist
transparently, we would do the world a great service because they
do not have to practice in the Niger Delta or in places that have
very fragile environments and great consequences to the earth.
So there are two facts I just wanted to leave with you. One, the
reserves are not known, and B, the importance of allowing us to
practice, if you will, on home turf before the world does things in
bad ways that pollute everything and make the matter worse.
My question is to follow upand I ask this not because it has
not been asked 10 times to you this morning, but I think in asking,
you will understand how many of us feel about nuclear. You have
had at least six or seven questions. Mine is going to be the eighth.
It is just apparent to us, mainly based on the great leadership
of Senator Domenici, who is with us, I think, this morning, and
others, the importance of getting off the dime on nuclear. So would
you just briefly state again what are your No. 1, No. 2, and No.
3 strategies to move us forward on nuclear?
Mr. CHU. The first is to accelerate this loan guarantee program
for the several nuclear reactors that are needed to restart the nuclear industry. You have got to be going as you say. I agree with
you, Senator.
The other questionand it is a concern of other Senatorsis
that we need to develop a long-range plan for the safe disposal of
the waste. This is something that is the responsibility of the Department of Energy. That has to go forward as well because you
have to develop that concurrently with the starting of this industry
again.
So those are actually in my mind the two highest priorities.
The third is that there is research that has to be done, again because reprocessing has the potential for greatly reducing both the
amount and lifetime of the waste and to extend the nuclear fuel.
Senator LANDRIEU. Can this committee count on you to go to bat
in the atmosphere of these troubled financial markets? Can we
count on you to go to bat with the Administration to make sure
that the energy sector of this country is given priority in terms of
stabilizing markets so that we can get a lot of this done with Government, you know, not being done by the Government, but supported by the Government?
Mr. CHU. Yes. It has been saidquestioned again and again on
the importance, for example, of that $18.5 billion loan guarantee
program to start moving in that direction.
Senator LANDRIEU. My time has expired, Mr. Chairman, but I
will submit for the record a question about the Departments policy
to not include sugar as a base for producing biofuels, that it has
been proven to be five to seven times more efficient than corn or
wood products or biomass and if you would be willing to change
that policy, given Brazils tremendous success and the potential of
so many of our agricultural areas to produce large amounts of
sugar. But I will submit that in writing and expect an answer.
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Mr. CHU. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Corker.
Senator CORKER. Mr. Chairman, thank you.
Dr. Chu, thanks for being here. I enjoyed our phone conversation
the other day.
I know that the chairman has already asked a question regarding the relationship between you and Mrs. Browner and how that
is going to be. I hope that you set things up in an appropriate way.
But I do wonder, Mr. Chairman, based on some of the articles that
we have readand certainly it is great to have somebody of Dr.
Chus intelligence running the Energy Departmentwould it make
sense for us to possibly have Ms. Browner in for testimony at some
point? You do not have to answer now, but I wonder if that is
something that would be helpful for the committee.
The issue of nuclear. I am going to skip down and just be very
brief since you have had now nine questions regarding that. I noticed a lot of people say that they support nuclear, but they also
mention the waste issue. It is as if once we solve the waste issue,
then we can pursue nuclear again. It is my understanding, based
on what I have heard here today, you mean pursue nuclear now
in spite of some of the issues that we have regarding waste. Is that
correct? All out now, loan guarantees. Let us move ahead. We have
104 plants today. We probably need 300. Let us move on.
Mr. CHU. Yes, because I am confident the Department of Energy,
perhaps in collaboration with other countries, can get a solution to
the nuclear waste problem.
Senator CORKER. Perfect. So you would move ahead while that
was being sought.
Mr. CHU. I think certainly we should use the loan guarantees to
start these first several plants that we talked about. As you well
know, Senator, I think this is a complicated economic decision by
the utility companies that will invest in these plants. So it is partly
loan guarantee. It is partly the rates that utility companies will
allow. But there is certainly a changing mood in the country, because nuclear is carbon-free, that we should look at it with new
eyes.
Senator CORKER. I have a number of questions that folks from
our lab asked to ask. I will do that separately. I know those are
more local in nature, but I certainly plan to ask those.
On climate change, I know that you advocate putting a price on
carbon based on things that you have said in the past. Do you advocate doing that through a tax on carbon or through a cap and
trade system?
Mr. CHU. Again, this is a position the President-elect has been
pretty clear about. It is a cap and trade system for a variety of reasons, and I support that decision.
Senator CORKER. Is that the best decision or is that the politically best decision?
Mr. CHU. You are far more experienced about answering that
question.
Senator CORKER. I do not know. You seem pretty good.
[Laughter.]
Mr. CHU. But certainly the simpler the cap and trade system is,
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Senator CORKER. That brings me to the next question. I noticed
in 2007 you made some comment that stakeholders want loopholes,
and of course, you did not give any editorial response. You said
stakeholders want loopholes. We have noticed that stakeholders
want lots of loopholes and that cap and trade systems that have
been put forth in the past have all kinds of free allocations and domestic offsets and international offsets. At the end of the day, you
are not achieving anything other than creating a system that a lot
of people can make a lot of money off of but really does not have
a lot to do with carbon reduction.
I wonder if you might, with us, give some kind of editorial comments as it relates to loopholes and those kinds of things that
make the market less pure.
Mr. CHU. First, let me also go back a little bit and answer another question I did not answer yet or did not fully answer as to
why the cap and trade system is something I favor. Countries
around the world are in a cap and trade system, and one has to
integrate with the rest of the world because the climate change
problem is a world problem.
Senator CORKER. I hope we would not integrate much because
the European system is not reducing carbon. So hopefully they
would integrate toward whatever we ultimately did.
Mr. CHU. But again, philosophically I thinkyou know, I have
not studied these bills that have been advanced in the Senate. But
philosophically the simpler the cap and trade system, the clearer
it is, I think the better. But I recognize there are stakeholders. So,
again, I plead
Senator CORKER. Stakeholders are usually those that emit carbon.
Anyway, I look forward to having some conversations. I know my
time is almost up.
I know some of the folks here have asked you about coal, and obviously, coal is a part of our energy base right now and that is the
way it is. Without some huge diminution in our standard of living,
it is going to be a part of our base for some time.
I hear lots about carbon capture and sequestration. I am, again,
just a junior Senator from Tennessee. I have a hard time sort of
imagining this commercial maze of carbon being captured and sequestered and where it goes. It is just hard for me to get my mind
around on a commercial base when you look at the amount of carbon that is emitted from coal. We certainly use coal extensively in
the State of Tennessee, unfortunately, as has been noted in the
press recently.
Do you have any comments about your sense of the real use of
carbon capture and sequestration on a real scale that deals with
the real issues of carbon from coal?
Mr. CHU. Very quickly, I think from the geophysicists/geologists
that I have spoken with it is a possibility, but it is a significant
challenge. We are sequestering in the world a few million tons of
carbon per year. In the areas that I know about, it is being done
safely, but there are many different geological sites that we have
to actually test. Again, this is something the Department of Energy
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can sequester the amounts we need in order to make a significant
impact on the carbon emitted.
Senator CORKER. A lot of people think that will happen when
donkeys fly, if you will, and I would love to hear any follow-up from
you as to what we do with coal in that regard because it is a difficult situation.
Mr. Chairman, thank you for the time and for your leadership.
As usual, I look forward to working with you the next 2 years.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.
Senator Lincoln.
Senator LINCOLN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, certainly for the
opportunity to be here and discuss some really critical issues.
Mr. Chu, welcome to the committee. I certainly enjoyed having
the opportunity to visit with you earlier, last week I suppose, and
am excited about the opportunities that lie before us all in terms
of lessening our dependence on foreign oil, creating a greater environment for the future of our country and certainly for our children. I think you have got great opportunities to lead us in that
endeavor. So we hope to be able to work through some of our questions.
I guess one of the ones I would like to start withI know that
you have heard from me an awful lot in terms of the rural aspect
of my State. But what maybe perhaps are your visions for creating
jobs in rural States like mine and communities through energy policy reforms, in stimulus, and also in other energy-related legislation?
Mr. CHU. Thank you, Senator, for the question. As you may
know, I really believe in the probability that we can develop fourth
generation biofuels, that is to say, biofuels that come from the agricultural waste streams that we now generate, the lumber mill
waste streams, growing grasses that do not have to compete with
prime agricultural land and the growing of food. So these are technologies that convert these streams like wheat straw, rice straw,
lumber wastes into fuel not just ethanol but gasoline and diesellike fuel that can be blended at any ratio and that can be used in
existing pipelines.
Senator LINCOLN. I apologize for being late. I had another committee meeting.
But have you gone through your Helios project which is one
thing that you have spent a considerable amount of your time on,
which is reflected in the biofuels arena? Have you spoken about
that already?
Mr. CHU. No, I have not. So let me just briefly mention that in
the first 6 months at Berkeley Lab when we started on biofuels,
we have trained bacteria and yeasttrained is perhaps an understatement, but we have gotten bacteria and yeast and modified
them so that they take simple sugars and produce not ethanol but
gasoline-like substitutes, diesel fuel substitutes, and jet fuel substitutes. The scientiststhese are brilliant scientists who had
spent most of their time in basic researchare very focused making this technology commercially viable.
Senator LINCOLN. So what you are talking about there is basically using, I guess, a greater starch or a more cellulosic material
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Mr. CHU. We are actually looking at the entireactually now we
are getting into science. I love this.
[Laughter.]
Senator LINCOLN. I just want to make sure it is something I
grow.
[Laughter.]
Mr. CHU. Definitely it will be something you grow.
It is a blank sheet of paper and we are looking at the entire possibilities of developing better plants that require less energy inputs, that are more robust. One has to look at algae as well, and
how do you break those plants down into the kinds of sugars that
these little critters, the yeast and bacteria, can actually use.
We are also looking at how we can actually in a single organism
break down the cellulosic material in a way, a new so-called
pretreatment processes that separates the protective molecules
that nature has invented to protect plants from being attacked by
microbes and fungi.
So we are looking at everything because you can improve all of
these things. With a blank sheet of paper, you actuallyinstead of
focusing on this thing within the confines of one persons expertise,
what we are doing is we are looking at the possibility that you can
improve the next thing in a different way. I think that is why I am
so optimistic some real progress can be made.
Senator LINCOLN. We appreciate that. Optimism is good.
Just in terms of promoting renewable energies, I know you all
talked about coal and you have talked about nuclear reprocessing,
things that are important to me because of the diversity of our energy in Arkansas. So I will just continue on renewable energy, if
I may, with just two last questions.
One, do you agree that promoting biofuels has the potential to
play a significant role in a Federal climate change strategy in addressing our Nations carbon footprint?
You have stated your views regarding different feedstocks for
biofuels like the woody biomass and the animal waste, which is
critical for us. But I also think it is important. I do not know if you
have seen this map. I am sure you have. It is very colorful and
pretty, but it also is very demonstrative in what it shows us about
wind energy. We have a diverse Nation, geographic differences all
across the great country with respect to renewable energy opportunities.
More specifically, the geographic disparities in the values that
we are placing on renewable energy incentives that need to be
taken into account because if you see the strong white areas on the
map, it is mostly the southeastern part of our country where we
do not have any wind. So I guess we are hoping that you will take
a look at this and be someone that can be supportive in the analysis to support parity in terms of all of the incentives that we are
providing for all of the different types of resources that we need for
biofuels, particularly biofuels, but certainly renewable energies.
I do not know what your stand is on that, but I am specific on
section 45 where we look at the renewables. Obviously, wind is critical. We love wind in Arkansas because we produce the blades and
the turbines for the windmills, but we do not produce a lot of wind.
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contributing what we have to contribute, our hope is that your
studies and background in biomass and biofuels will be helpful to
us in better understanding how we can do a better job at what we
have to offer from rural regions, particularly in the Southeast, that
produce an awful lot of agricultural waste and biomass combined.
So I just hope that you will take a look at that. I do not know
if you have got any comments on how diverse we need to be, but
I hope it is pretty diverse.
Mr. CHU. I think we have to be very diverse. The solutions have
to come from just about every sector. So very briefly, I think the
development of biofuels is very important to get us off of the dependency on foreign oil, and it is not a possibility, but I think a
probability that we will develop those technologies.
Senator LINCOLN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. CHU. Quickly too.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator DeMint.
Senator DEMINT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you, Dr. Chu. I appreciate your visit to my office. I very
much enjoyed our conversation, and I would like to just go back
through a little of that maybe just to get some confirmation here
on the record.
I think we both agreed on the importance of moving from where
we are with heavy use of fossil fuels to renewables and non-emitting fuels. But we also talked about the importance of recognizing
realities over the next 15 or 20 years, that we do have to bridge
from where we are to where we want to be with coal, with nuclear.
I guess I would like to hear you restate this in some way. You
talked about our dependence on coal for another 15 or 20 years and
the importance of nuclear generation of electricity replacing coal as
quickly as we could.
We also talked about carbon taxes and climate change ideas now
which concern me when they are talked about in the context of we
need to begin penalizing the use of fossil fuels now. We need to
have taxes on these fuels and to discourage their use now.
I think you and I agreed that the rational way to do that is certainly to create incentives for non-emitting fuels and discouragements, if necessary, for polluting fuels, but that these carbon taxes
or penalties should not take place until we give businesses and
utilities the time to convert to other forms of generation or other
forms of energy. I just wanted to ask you to talk a little bit more
about that just to give us a perspective of what to expect from the
Energy Department under your leadership.
Mr. CHU. Senator, I believe what I said when I was meeting with
youand thank you for the discussionwas that coal and nuclear,
as well as gas, of course, formed the baseload generation of electricity today. We have to evolve, recognizing that it cannot happen
overnight, the nurturing of renewable energy resources. This takes
a bit of time. I think we should push as hard as we can, but the
reality is that the baseload generation today is not from those resources.
So again, we need all of the solutions. We need to make them
as clean as possible as quickly as possible. So I have to say that
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Senator DEMINT. Maybe I can ask again in the context ofI
know you made a statement that we needI do not want to put
words in your mouth, and the media, we find, is not always correct.
But we should do what is necessary to raise the price of gasoline
in our country to that of the Europeans. I assume that is in the
context of discouraging the use of fossil fuels. But that is an example for meuntil there are alternatives available for people. All we
are doing is raising the cost of living, in a sense adding a tax to
folks who are trying to get to work.
How do we deal with that? Certainly we want to have those incentives out there to move to the right types of energy, but do we
really want to add tax to living and business now when there are
really no choices?
Mr. CHU. I think the President-elect has made it very clear that
gasoline taxes now are off the table. It is not an option.
Thank you for pointing out that that was made in the context of
how do we control our use of oil in the United States.
Now, I feel very strongly and deeply that what the American
family does not want is to pay an increasing fraction of their budget, their precious dollars on energy costs both in transportation and
in keeping their homes warm and lit.
So I go back to the first thing that I repeatedly go back to, that
energy efficiency is the key to that, the weatherization of homes,
more efficient cars. Both of those things are actually beneficial in
two ways. It directly lowers the costs to the American family of
what they pay in energy, and it reduces the demand of this energy.
Therefore, as we saw as the world entered into this recession, the
industry slowed down and the demand went down and the price
went down.
So I think we should take as a goal keeping the energy costs to
the American familyyou know, we do not want to see ever-rising
costs. So when we work toward more efficient cars and tighter
homes in terms of insulation, this will do exactly that. So for the
Department of Energy, this is one of the things that I would love
to see happen and would greatly encourage in any way I could.
Senator DEMINT. Thank you. I can see I am out of time, but if
I could just leave with just one comment. Nuclear is obviously important. For years, States like South Carolina that have received
a significant amount of nuclear waste from the cold war and are
holding that in temporary storage have been promised that 1 day
we would have a site, Yucca Mountain, to move that to. The law
allows us to send it back if that does not happen. We talked about
it and I guess we can talk about it in another setting if there is
not time today. But we are very concerned with the political quagmire of Yucca Mountain. At the same time, we have very real exposed danger, in South Carolina and other States, of ground storage of nuclear waste.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will yield back since I am out of
time.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Senator Cantwell.
Senator CANTWELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, welcome. Congratulations on your nomination. I look
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someone nominated to the cabinet who has actually won a Nobel
Prize prior to being in the cabinet. So congratulations on that.
I would like to ask you about a U.S.-China energy bilateral or
the energy efficiency and renewable energy technology office. I see
Mr. Reikert here this morning. I would love to talk to you about
that. I would love to talk to you about smart grid legislation and
the platform transformation that I think is available to us. But I
am going to have to put all of those things aside and hope that we
can have a dialog about them in the future, while we turn to something more specific today.
Your DOE budget is about $25 billion, and 10 percent of that is
allocated for the cleanup of the Hanford site in the State of Washington. While that site is in the State of Washington, it really is
a national priority. The most urgent need there is the 53 million
gallons of radioactive waste stored in about 177 underground
tanks, 67 of which are confirmed to have leaked into the groundwater and are reaching toward the Columbia River. Now, many of
these tanks are 30 years beyond their originally intended lifespan.
So, first of all, are you aware of this problem? I think you are
aware of the problem that exists there with groundwater contamination and this plume. Is that correct?
Mr. CHU. Yes, I am.
Senator CANTWELL. So my concern is that this funding over the
last several years has basically fallen flat. Part of the problem is
that many people look at that funding level and see that it is such
a big number, 10 percent of the overall DOE budget. Yet that is
the magnitude of this cleanup. So we have gotten into disputes
over the process of this cleanup.
So I want to know if you support the Hanford Site Tri-Party
Agreement, including the requirement that 99 percent of the tank
waste be retrieved as part of the cleanup process.
Mr. CHU. As I said in my opening remarks, the Department of
Energy has a legal and moral obligation to clean up these sites. I
think the frustrations you have with the speed and effectiveness of
with which the Department of Energy is going about its business
is something of concern, and I will do what I can to make the funds
available and have them used more effectively. I think there is also
some concern about how effectively those $6 billionI am not sure
of the exact number, but something like thathave been used. So
I am committed to cleaning up these sites.
Senator CANTWELL. So do you support the Tri-Party agreement
and the provision that 99 percent of all the waste should be
cleaned up?
Mr. CHU. I am going to plead a little bit of ignorance on the exact
numbers of that, but I will certainly look into that and get back
to you. I know it is of great concern to you.
Senator CANTWELL. Yes, if you could, give us an answer on the
99 percent. The last Administration thought that they could expedite the cleanup, but one of the ways that they would have done
it was by leaving more of the waste in the tanks. Obviously, from
a scientific perspective, this outcome would be unacceptable to us
in the State of Washington and, I think, to the whole Northwest
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Second, what are your thoughts on this issue? I appreciate that
you may have even suggested that the stimulus might include
some waste cleanup. But would you support increasing the Hanford
funding? It may need as much as $2 billion over the next 4 years
to meet that cleanup schedule.
A related issue is the fact that the State has found that the
plume and groundwater contamination from the Hanford Site is
threatening both drinking water and salmon habitat. We have a
short time period here to get the waste out of the tanks and into
either new tanks or some other means of treatment. They have estimated that we need about $2 billion more over the next 4 years.
So would you be supportive of that number?
Mr. CHU. Again, I am not sure of the exact number, but as I
have told you and others, I did argue in the discussions for the
stimulus package that this made good sense to me, that we actually get some funds, significant funds, into the stimulus package
for this cleanup. Certainly we have to take every step we can to
make sure that this plume does not get into the rivers, the Columbia River, for example. This would be very bad.
Senator CANTWELL. Some of the contaminants are getting there,
but they are not yet at a dangerous levelbut obviously, urgency
is of the utmost. So I will look forward to getting a written response from you, if we could, regarding the $2 billion for the Hanford in the stimulus package and the 99 percent waste cleanup in
the Tri-Party agreement.
One of the things we are also concerned about is BPA and ITS
ability to continue to accommodate renewable energy; we support
borrowing authority for the Bonneville Power Administration that
would allow it to expand its transmission lines. Would you be supportive of that?
Mr. CHU. Yes. I think the expansion of transmission lines, especially for the development of renewable energy, is something that
I definitely support.
Senator CANTWELL. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Senator Menendez.
Senator MENENDEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, congratulations on your nomination. I regret we did not
have a chance to speak, but let me ask you a couple key questions
to me.
In a previous answer you gave to Senator Burr about the national interest electric transmission corridor, you said there may be
opposition but a national grid is in the national interest. I do not
think anybody disputes that.
But the Department of Energy has designated the entire State
of New Jersey as part of a national interest electricity transmission
corridor. Many of us believe that designation was a result of a subpar congestion study. On the west coast, the Department of Energy
produced a transmission-line-by-transmission-line study of congestion which resulted in a narrow, more targeted transmission corridor, achieving the goals but doing it in a way that was less of an
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The mid-Atlantic transmission corridor covers all or part of eight
States and the District of Columbia and has been characterized by
many State regulators as setting up a super highway to coal electricity.
My question is as the Department of Energy updates their congestion studies, will you ensure that they are accurate on a transmission-line-by-transmission-line basis? One.
Two, if the study shows it is appropriate, will you be willing to
narrow the mid-Atlantic transmission corridor?
Mr. CHU. I am not familiar with the details of that, but having
lived in New Jersey for 9 years while I was working at Bell Laboratories, I recognize that New Jersey is a bigger State then some
other people think.
In answer specifically to your question about as we update the
analysis, would I review that and be willing, based on the facts
that we learn, to narrow it, absolutely. It is all about learning more
about the details of these things.
Senator MENENDEZ. I appreciate that. Would you do what was
done on the west coast? I do not understand why it would be a difference of a transmission-line-by-transmission-line congestion
study.
Mr. CHU. Yes. I do not know the details of that. Just listening
to you, it seems to be
Senator MENENDEZ. If you could review that and get back to us.
That is really critical.
Mr. CHU. Absolutely.
Senator MENENDEZ. Second, I have sponsored legislation. We are
proud in New Jersey of being the second largest producer of solarrelated equipment. One of our challenges is getting States to adopt
net metering and interconnection standards so that we can integrate solar energy into the grid. We believe that if such legislation
were enacted into law, a significant market barrier to distributed
solar generation would finally be gone. Is that something that you
support in terms of net metering and interconnection standards?
Mr. CHU. Yes. In fact, as you may or may not know, the National
Academy of Sciences and Engineering has had an ongoing study by
a very distinguished panel of people chaired by Harold Shapiro, the
former President of Princeton, and I have been on that panel over
the last 2 years. There are six subpanels. I specifically put myself
on the transmission and distribution subpanel because I saw it as
vital that we get it right, as we modernize the system. The socalled smart grid, including the metering and all of these things
that you speak of, is a very important part of the overall strategy
to a sustainable energy future.
Senator MENENDEZ. Then finally, Senator Sanders and I, working with others here, authoredand it is into lawthe Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program in the 2007 energy
bill. This is to try to drive at municipal and county levels a lot of
the efforts. It was the No. 1 priority of the U.S. Conference of Mayors to try to get a significant level of work in energy infrastructure
and increasing the use of renewables at that level, saving money
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I certainly hope you will look at that as we have talked to the
President-elect on the stimulus package. I know there are some elements of that in there. I hope it is something that you will see, in
your new role, as something to be an advocate of at the end of the
day.
Mr. CHU. I will certainly promise to look into that.
Senator MENENDEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Wyden.
Senator WYDEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, welcome. I too look forward to supporting you as our
Secretary.
Senator Cantwell has laid out many of my concerns very well.
The question comes down to this. Are you going to follow the
flawed Bush blueprint for nuclear fuel reprocessing or do something different? This is a big tomeI can barely lift itthat essentially is the blueprint. What I think I and others are looking for
is to see whether you are going to make a break with this essentially game plan, and if so, how.
Mr. CHU. As I talked about with the other Senators, the blueprint you are talking about is I believe the fuel recycling issue.
Senator WYDEN. That is part of it. I mean, it is processing. It is
fabrication, more reactors. The bottom line is this essentially greenlights more without dealing with the enormous amount of waste
that we have. I think what I and others are looking for is whether
we can work with you to essentially change that blueprint. Would
you be open to that?
Mr. CHU. Yes, I would, but I have stated and believe that nuclear
power will be part of our energy mix going forward because it is
carbon-free and because it is baseload. Now, having said that, we
do not have all the answers today as to how to develop that in a
way that would make us all happy, particularly about disposal of
the nuclear material. So I certainly will be working with all the
members of this committee and other Members of Congress to develop a plan that can make as many people as possible happy. But
given the fact that nuclear power is 70 percent of our carbon-free
electricity generationthat cannot be denied.
Senator WYDEN. Your answer for todays purposes is fine by me,
and I essentially subscribe to much of the same philosophy. But the
fact is we want to hear that you are open to modifying this blueprint. You have indicated that you are, and we want to work with
you in that regard.
The second question. I think in a very real way, the ball game
on climate change is bringing the Chinese and the Indians into a
global agreement. I would like your thoughts particularly with respect to China where I know you have worked with Chinese scientists and environmental leaders. Lay out your sense of how you
would bring the Chinese, in particular, into a global agreement on
climate change.
Mr. CHU. First, I think the United States and China are now
emitting more than 50 percent of all the carbon emissions in the
world today. So if the U.S. and China do not get this right and do
not move forward, I do not think the rest of the world can really
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Now, currently we are in a standoff position. The United States
position is we do not go forward unless China goes forward, and
Chinas position is, well, the richer countries of the world, in particular, the United States, have put most of the carbon up there
previously. We think perhaps we should be given a bye. I feel pretty strongly that going forward all the countries of the world, China
and India included, have to be included in a carbon plan to reduce
the emission of carbon.
I think the United States can take the first step, and hopefully
China will immediately, very closely follow. They too recognize the
growing concerns of climate change on their own country. They are
beginning to see these effects and have gotten increasingly concerned. Now, if China does not follow, we will have to relook at
this, but I think it is very important to do both.
Second, we need to start working with China and India to actually concurrently develop some of the technologies, starting with efficiencies. It will be very beneficial if we can develop and invent
new methods of, for example, building efficiencies that China can
use as they build their new cities. After the recession is over, we
expect an enormous amount of building in China. It is important
that the United States and others help China do it right and build
energy-efficient buildings. These are things that we should cooperate with. But I think all the countries of the world have to be part
of this overall effort because it is the world we are talking about.
Senator WYDEN. Thank you. My time has expired. Just a bit of
housekeeping. If you would also send me the documents you are
going to send to Senator Cantwell both with respect to Bonneville
and Hanford. I thank you. I think you are going to be an excellent
Secretary, and I look forward to your leadership especially on this
question of climate change.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Senator Udall.
Senator UDALL. Welcome, Dr. Chu. Everywhere I travel, there is
an excitement about your appointment. There is a belief that a renewed emphasis on science would serve not only the State of Colorado but our country and our world in very important ways. I look
forward to supporting your confirmation on the Senate floor when
that occurs.
Like Senator Cantwell, I have spent much of my time in the
arena of public policy focusing on energy policy and all the potential that it presents to us, and I would like to explore these marvelous opportunities that we have.
But I would, in the interest of keeping faith with those in Colorado, like to turn to a local concern but one that has broader national implications as well. That is the Rocky Flats environmental
technology site. Currently there are three areas in which we have
more work to do. We have closed that site. It is a wonderful success
story, one that can be applied to other environmental technology
sites around the country like Hanford. But we have to continue
that monitoring there of groundwater contamination levels, soil
contamination levels, and the like. That is the No. 1 concern that
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Second, we have a work force that literally worked itself out of
a job in the interest of closing up that site, and there are promises
that have been made to the people who worked there so loyally and
in such a committed fashion to look after their health needs. There
are many people who have been made sick by exposure to radioactive materials in the work site there.
Third, there is ongoing litigation that has been brought by surrounding property owners regarding the damage done by contamination over the 50 or so years that that site has been in place.
I would like a commitment from you that once you are confirmed,
that you take a close look at these three issues, ongoing cleanup,
worker health, and property damage claims, and make sure that
we are doing everything we can to protect public health and to
keep faith with these cold war warriors who put themselves in
harms way, in no less a way than those who fought in the hot wars
of that cold war period. Can I receive your assurances that you will
focus on this particular and important area?
Mr. CHU. Senator, you will have my commitment. I will certainly
look into this.
Senator UDALL. Thank you for that. Again, I want to emphasize
that by doing so, then we will send a message to other workers in
other parts of the country that as we clean up places like Hanford,
we work in Ohio and Oklahoma and South Carolina, Nevada, that
those promises will be kept to those people there who worked so
diligently.
Second, could I turn to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, NREL as we know it, an important part of Colorados economy, but again a leading factor in developing new energy technologies. I heard Senator Sanders speak about his interest in opening a facility in Vermont. Perhaps we could have an annex of the
National Renewable Energy Laboratory in every State. But the Department of Energy has made a commitment to the mission of
NREL, and I wanted to receive assurances from you that you will
continue to focus on that commitment and make sure those resources are forthcoming.
Mr. CHU. I think NREL will play a key role going forward in the
renewable energy development and energy efficiency. So you have
my assurance that NREL is certainly on my radar screen and it
has to play a vital role.
Senator UDALL. I do not know if you have had a chance to visit
the laboratory. I think you have and have probably been a frequent
visitor, but we would like to host you again in the near future.
Let me turn, as my time begins to expire, to an opportunity that
is important to the chairman. He has been a champion here in the
Senate. That is the renewable electricity standard concept. In Colorado, we passed the first citizen-initiated renewable electricity
standard 4 years ago, and the results have been remarkable: thousands of new jobs, millions of additional revenues. Would you work
with us here in the Congress to establish a national renewable
electricity standard?
I know my friends from the South have some concerns about
whether they actually have those resources. Other regions of the
country feel like they might be disadvantaged, but I believe that
to use maybe an ill-considered term, when you drill into the oppor-

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tunities for renewable energy, they exist all over our country. We
could make markets. We could lessen the cost of the natural gas
for peaking power. There are many, many benefits.
But I would like to work with you on a renewable electricity
standard at the national level. Would you comment in the last few
seconds that we have?
Mr. CHU. Very briefly, I would be looking forward to working
with you and all the Senators on this committee for that. As I said
repeatedly, the renewable energy is something that we really have
to develop as quickly as possible.
Senator UDALL. Thank you again. I see my time has expired.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Bayh.
Senator BAYH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Chu, it is nice to see you. I am grateful for your devotion to
public service and I enjoyed our conversation on the phone yesterday.
I would like to just briefly reiterate some of the comments you
have heard about coal. My State derives about 98 percent of its
electric production from coal. Anything in that area is going to
have a major impact upon businesses and consumers across my
State. So the whole notion of clean coal technology, sequestration,
those sorts of things is very important to our State. As a matter
of fact, I think a company has in the works a facility in
Edwardsport, Indiana that will sequester carbon from coal production. So it is one to keep your eye on as we go forward. I would
recommend it to perhapsI think, Senator Corker, who is no
longer with us, was expressing some curiosity about this. Perhaps
we will have some good data from Indiana.
Second, just as a housekeeping matter for your staff, we are a
center of transportation production. The loan program for advanced
technology vehicles, I am told by several of the companies in my
State, is really struggling in the Department. As a matter of fact,
we heard just today there is not much transparency. The applications are sitting there. It is not well staffed. The criteria that are
used for giving the loans is not well understood. If you could really
focus on this going forward. All those things that will go to improved conservation in the transportation arena are going to be
very important. That program needs to be well administered and
it really has not been to date. So if your folks can make a note of
that. I would love to follow up with you at the appropriate time.
Just two or three brief questions in the few minutes that we
have remaining. I would like to follow up on the last question that
Senator Wyden asked you about China and your stated belief that
it is importantindeed, essentialto include developing nations,
particularly China and India in any regime of CO2 reduction. I
think you said that the U.S. will take the first step and hopefully
China will follow. We will have to relook at it if they do not.
It is my honest conviction that that approach will not be enacted
by the U.S. Congress. Simply trusting China tothey have their
own internal needs to have high rates of growth. They have been
proven to be willing to sacrifice just about any other concern to
maintain that high rate of growth to maintain domestic political
stability. They do not have a great track record, frankly, in abiding
by some of the agreements, particularly honoring intellectual prop-

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erty rights, other things. So a skeptic might say we are going to
be going through dislocations here that will affect our economy,
consumers, other things. The American people would make great
sacrifices. You would have to really wonder about whether China
would go along. For people who have to cast votes on these things,
that probably will not be good enough to get the job done.
I have raised this with, hopefully, the Secretary-to-be, currently
Senator Clinton, hopefully Secretary of State Clinton, about the
need to engage in robust diplomacy before we come to Congress
with a global warming initiative because we are going to need to
have buy-in in the front if this thing is going to work.
Do you have any response to that?
Mr. CHU. Actually I agree with that. Absolutely.
Perhaps this would put you more at ease with what I said. As
you know, I was co-chair of this report sponsored by the InterAcademy Council. That is a council that represents over 100 academies of science around the world. It is a report called Lighting the
Way and how one transitions to sustainable energy. In that report,
we said quite clearly that all the countries, developed and developing countries, have to be part of the solution.
I agree that this is a touchy diplomatic, economic, multi-dimensional problem.
Senator BAYH. Doctor, I was not ill at ease with what you said.
This is an important issue. We both believe that. So because it is
an important issue, we have to make sure it is going to work, and
without China participating, it is not going to work. I do not think
it will get enacted, and a skeptic, viewing their past behavior,
would have to say that is going to be a heavy lift in a way that
is verifiable and transparent. It is just going to be very hard to get
them there. So I think we are going to have to focus on that component early on in this process, and that is beyond your bailiwick.
But since you were asked about it and responded, I just want to
emphasize that point. If we are going to get this job done, we have
got to focus on that.
In my estimation, it is going to be difficult, and frankly, I am a
little skeptical about whether they will ever get there in a way that
isbecause of the political dynamic within their own country.
But let us give it a shot. Let us see. Let us do our best. Perhaps
we can. I think it is well worth the effort.
In my 16 seconds left, I would like to ask youour first hearing
before this committee in the new year was on the topic of energy
security. We had a marvelous presentation and some fairly aggressive goals over the next 20 to 30 years about reducing the need to
import energy into our country. One of the proposals involved the
electrification of the transportation system, and there were some
other good proposals as well. I view this as one of the defining challenges of our time, and it has a great impact on global warming
as well as our economy, our finances, and our national security interests.
Could you share with us just for a few moments here your
thoughts about what we can do, what steps we can take to reduce
the imports of energy into this country over the next 10 to 20
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Mr. CHU. Very specifically, as you and I both recognize, a lot of
this is about oil and imported oil, efficiency, efficiency of our automobiles. We need to accelerate all efforts to develop the type of battery that the American consumer will buy in terms of plug-in hybrid cars. We do not have today the type of battery we need, quite
frankly, in the sense that these first electric hybrid cars, which are
a start, do not have the energy capacity, the lifetime of the batteries that we need. So this is another part. So if we can off-load
that fossil fuel dependence on the imported oil onto electricity, you
have many more options.
So those two things I think are very important. Let us invent a
battery technology. Let us push hard for more fuel-efficient personal vehicles.
Senator BAYH. I agree with that.
Mr. Chairman, thank you.
Doctor, I look forward to working with you on that issue. I do
think it is one of the great challenges of our time. So thank you
for your service.
Can I say one final thing, Mr. Chairman?
The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead.
Senator BAYH. Any man who could work at both Cal-Berkeley
and Stanford has to be adept at forging consensus. Dr. Chu has
done that.
[Laughter.]
Mr. CHU. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Senator Shaheen.
Senator SHAHEEN. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be brief
since I have learned that you never stand between your audience
and lunch.
Dr. Chu, I want to echo what you have heard from so many people on this committee about how delighted I am that someone with
your scientific and research background and credentials is going to
bring those to leadership in the cabinet. I hope that portends a
willingness of many other scientists and researchers to come and
serve in the Federal Government. I think what you are talking
about, particularly when we are talking about energy policy,
science and technology and research are going to be critical to addressing what we need to do to change our energy policy for the
future.
I was interested in the exchange that you had with Senator Lincoln about your work in the biofuels area. As we discussed when
we visited, we have some very interesting work going on in that
area in New Hampshire. But we still have not seen those fourth
generation biofuels become commercially and economically viable.
So what actions could you take as Secretary of Energy to promote
moving those biofuels to become more commercially viable?
Mr. CHU. First, with this fourth generation work that has essentially just begun over the last 1 or 2 years you see acceleration in
many different ways, I think recognizing that it is a research program but also we need to really challenge the scientists who are
working on this to keep their eye on the ball. So this is not a 10or 20-year program. This is something we can produce I think to
get it into testing in a few years. You know, we have had other experiences in times of national emergency, national need. Some of

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the best scientists have stepped up to the plate and said, yes, I was
doing that, but this is of such importance that I am going to focus
on this and really focusing on delivering solutions. So the good
news is that because of the energy security, because of the climate
change threats, and all these things, some of the best and brightest
in the country, and some of the best and brightest students in the
country want to work on this. So this is something one can work
with. You want to unleash some funds to start to support graduate
work, retraining at a postdoctoral level of some of the best and
brightest who might have been trained in a traditional field of
chemistry or physics to say I want to work on energy, but I want
to be able to retrain. So things like directly working with universities, national labs, and industry is important. There are a lot of
exciting startup companies. It seems every week I learn of another
one and what they are doing. I think the Department of Energy
has to find a means of encouraging that work. We do not know
where the solutions will come from, but I do know that they will
come from the best and brightest intellects that we have in this
country.
Senator SHAHEEN. Are there other policy changes that you would
recommend we look at as a Congress to move that forward?
Mr. CHU. I think we already have some policies that are creating
the proper draw, like the fraction of our fuel that would be going
toward something other than conventional oil. I think a clean carbon standard for our fuels is something that will actually draw this
much more quickly. So policies like that are a good stimulus, good
draws to encourage the investment in the new companies and the
investment in the research in national laboratories and universities.
Senator SHAHEEN. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Dr. Chu, thank you very much for being so generous with your time. We will do all we can to move ahead your
nomination and get it through the full Senate. We wish you well
in your new position.
That will conclude the hearing and the hearing is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 12:13 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
[The following statement was received for the record.]
STATEMENT

OF

CHRIS DEVERS, CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL

OF

ENERGY RESOURCE TRIBES

On behalf of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes (CERT), I am very pleased

to submit for the Committees consideration this statement on President-elect
Obamas nomination of Dr. Steven Chu to be the Secretary of Energy.
Founded in 1975 during Americas first energy crisis, CERT is headquartered in
Denver, CO, and boasts 57 member Indian tribes. CERTs member tribes are actively engaged in the development and production of renewable and non-renewable
sources of energy.
CERTs mission is to support member tribes in the development of their management capabilities and the use of their energy resources to foster tribal economic development and political self-governance. CERT is governed by a Board of Directors
comprised of the principal elected leadership of CERTs 57 member Indian tribes.
CERT was instrumental in the development and passage of the Indian Tribal Energy Development and Self Determination Act of 2005 and actively supported the
tribal provisions in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. CERTs policy objective in the 111th Congress is the furtherance of innovative energy development on tribal land.

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As the Committee considers the nomination of Dr. Chu, CERT recommends that
Indian tribes be included in the nations ongoing search for sustainable energy development and energy security.
The department plays a vital role in assisting Indian tribes with state-of-the-art
scientific technology and accurate information. To this end, CERT is mindful of the
role the department plays in enabling science to support energy and environmental
decision-making. Investing in the various science disciplines is crucial in our energy
policy. Robust Federal actions should be complemented by financial and tax incentives for the private sector to do what it does best: bring capital and expertise to
harness and market forces.
CERT strongly believes that an objective understanding of science and the full
array of energy options should guide our decision-making and national policy rather
than a narrow belief in certain energy sources and technologies.
In addition to energy development and environmental protection, CERTs mission
includes the development of young Indian people in scientific and engineering disciplines. Through our Scholarship Program, CERT has made possible the higher
education of hundreds of young Native people who more often than not return to
their communities armed with best education in America. This element of CERTs
activity is mirrored by the departments role in carrying out research and development and truly cutting-edge technologies.
Just as the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) does for the
Department of Defense, I am of the opinion that the department should expand its
research to include bold experimentation in projects that use technologies and practices we can only dream of in 2009.
CERT and its member tribes are hopeful that Dr. Chu will provide the kind of
bold leadership he has shown during his tenure with the departments national labs
and that his vision for Americas energy future includes a commitment Indian tribes
and communities at every level.
I thank you for the opportunity to include this statement in the Committees hearing record and would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

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QUESTIONS FROM SENATOR BARRASSO

Question 1. How would you characterize the Department: of Energys initiatives

to develop and deploy commercially viable CCS technologies among all of the DOES
priorities?
Answer. President-elect Obama is committed to funding innovative, large-scale
carbon capture and storage projects, and working with Congress to develop a policy
framework under which CCS projects can move forward.
Question 2. Do you agree that carbon capture and storage programs/projects are
vital for the future security and independence of the United States given the importance of coal to the US economy? If so, how will you lead the Department to achieve
those goals?
Answer. I share President-elect Obamas view that we need to aggressively pursue
carbon capture and storage technology. Were going to need this technology here in
the United States, and its going to be needed in China, India and elsewhere around
the world. Both the President-elect and I agree that coal is a vital energy resource
for our country. As you know coal currently provides fifty percent of our electricity,
and we have enormous coal reserves that can provide power long into the future.
At the same time, coal-fired power plants are the largest contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and a growing source of global emissions. Thats why, if confirmed, I plan to lead DOE forward on CCS technology as swiftly and as effectively
as possible.
Question 3. Given the slow growth rates of renewable energies and recent NERC
studies showing that domestic power demand will outpace new generation in the
coming decades, wouldnt you agree that coal will and should remain essential in
the nations energy portfolio?
Answer. Coal currently provides fifty percent of our electricity, and we have enormous reserves that are likely to be part of our energy mix into the future. To ensure
that we meet our energy needs as well as our climate goals, it will be important
to develop new technologies for using our coal resources in more efficient, cleaner
ways. I believe we can do that, and if confirmed, I will work hard to ensure that
DOEs coal RD&D programs contribute to those objectives.
Question 4. With domestic oil reaching peaks of production over the past few decades and LNG imports making us more dependent, not less, on foreign sources of
energy, do you see domestic coal as a viable alternative for imported natural gas,
jet diesel fuel and other declining domestic energy feedstocks?
Answer. As I have stated, I believe that coal will continue to play an important
role in our nations energy mix. However, I also understand, based on EIA estimates, that we will also continue to have robust domestic gas supplies for some time
to come. Nevertheless, I believe that DOE should continue to support coal RD&D
programs and projects so that we can continue to make use of our vast coal reserves
while also making progress toward our climate change goals
Question 5. Given its potential for having near zero emissions, do you support government funding for projects such as the FutureGen project with the goal of commercializing and deploying such dean coal and CCS technologies? At what level
should government funding be establishedfull, partial, other?
Answer. I do not have a specific view about cost shares at this time, but I strongly
believe that we must continue to work with industry to develop and deploy CCS
technology, both here in the United States and abroad.
Question 6. What kind of business/government partnership for clean coal development and deployment would be most conducive in achieving environmental goals
and protecting U.S. economic interests? Has the CCPI program at DOE been effective?
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Answer. Carbon capture and storage technologies hold enormous potential to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions as we power our economy with domestically produced and secure energy. We must work to ensure that clean coal technology becomes commercialized. I have not yet formed a view regarding the optimal partnership structure(s) for clean coal work, nor do I have a basis for making informed
judgments about the effectiveness of the CCPI program. However, if confirmed I will
be reviewing all of DOEs activities in this area and working to identify how we can
accelerate the research, development and deployment of clean coal technology.
Question 7. Do you believe that any cap and trade or system of taxing emissions
will be environmentally effective and economically justifiable internationally, given
the desire for growth and increased standards of living in developing economies
around the world?
Answer. Climate change is a global problem that will require a global solution.
President-elect Obamas Administration will move to advance domestic legislation
while seeking to develop an international framework that will address the climate
crisis in a manner that is effective and fair. No such framework will succeed without
participation by developing countries, and I know that the President-elect intends
to pursue an agreement that includes commitments by such nations. If confirmed
as Secretary, I will engage with the President-elect, the rest of the Administration,
and Congress to work towards these vital goals.
Question 8. Isnt global deployment of CCS the only way we can allow both CO2
management and economic growth in developing economies?
Answer. I share President-elect Obamas view that we need to aggressively pursue
carbon capture and storage technology, or CCS. And I agree that we are going to
need this technology not only here in the United States, but also in China, India
and elsewhere around the world. That said, there are many other new, efficient energy technologies that we can develop in the United States and that will find markets in the developing world. Such technologies will be critical to ensuring that
international climate goals are met.
Question 9. What is the best way to ensure price relief for American families who
will bear the burden of rising energy costs in the wake of new cap and trade legislation? Dont you agree that families should be spared increased expense for electricity
especially during a time of economic distress? How can we manage carbon, keep our
domestic energy supply vital, and prevent price increases on electricity for consumers?
Answer. President-elect Obama believes that unchecked emissions and continuing
climate change poses serious threats to our environment, our economy, and our security. There is no question that doing nothing about climate change risks imposing
huge new costs on our economy and our citizens. At the same time, however, it is
essential that we develop market-based systems (such as a cap-and-trade program)
for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, in order to minimize costs. But one of the
most promising ways to meet both our climate change and energy goals without
harming consumers is to develop the next generation of technologies that will enable
us to transform the way we produce and use energy in America. If confirmed, I look
forward to helping to lead that effort.
Question 10. Have you supported in the past, and will you support in the future,
policies that will increase the gas tax consumers pay at the pump?
Answer. I recognize that last years spike in gasoline prices caused economic hardship for many American families. In addition, we are sending hundreds of billions
of dollars overseas each year for imported oil, which is harmful to our economy. To
deal with all of these challenges, we need a comprehensive, long-term strategy.
President-elect Obama has put forward just such a strategya comprehensive energy and climate change policy that will hasten the development of alternative fuels
and efficient, advanced vehicle technologies. The President-elect does not support,
and neither do I, raising federal gasoline taxes as an energy policy. Instead, we need
a much broader-based approach to transforming Americas energy future, and, if
confirmed, I hope to be actively engaged in working with you and your colleagues
in forging such a policy.
Question 11. As you know, President-elect Obama has appointed President Clintons former Administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency, Carol Browner, as White House Energy Czar. I think it is fair to say that Ms. Browner agrees
with your statement that coal is your worst nightmare. Please describe for the
Committee how you see your role, as well as that of Carol Browner, in setting energy policy for our country and for prioritizing research dollars towards coal technology research and demonstration projects.
Answer. During my confirmation hearing and during our meeting, I worked to
clarify my views on coal, which are explained at greater length in answers to other
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within the White House to coordinate policy on energy and climate change is a very
positive development. First, it reflects the importance that the President-elect has
put on reducing our dependence on foreign oil and dealing with the growing threat
of climate change. It also reflects the fact that meeting these challenges will depend
on coordinated actions from across the federal government. This is a model that has
worked successfully in other areas, such as the National Economic Council and the
National Security Council. As for Carol Browner, she is an extremely accomplished
and capable leader; we have met and Im confident that we will have a strong working relationship. However, the job of implementing a research agenda for the development of new coal technologies will be the responsibility of the Department that
I will be honored to lead, if confirmed.
Question 12. You have told me that science, not politics, should determine policy
direction. Given that Ms. Browner will be closely advising the President from her
position, ad has very limited background in science, I am concerned that the Obama
Administration takes an opposing view from yoursthat politics will trump science.
How will you prevent that from happening, and if does occur at anytime, what action will you take in response.
Answer. President-elect Obama has made it clear that science will guide his decisions in many policy areas, including energy and climate. I am one of a group of
scientists who have been selected by the President-elect to help lead this effort, and
if confirmed, I will do my utmost as Secretary to advise him and help him to make
decisions that reflect the best available science.
Question 13. Given that you have little political experience, what assurances can
you give the Committee that you have sufficient skills to successfully challenge the
career politicians that will be coordinating your work?
Answer. If confirmed, I am confident that I will be able to work effectively with
other members of the Administration in helping President-elect Obama to make decisions and implement his energy and climate change plans. As a long-time scientist
and recent DOE laboratory director, I hope to be an effective leader of the Department of Energy and a constructive collaborator with others in Washington and
across the country. I also expect to play a leadership role in any interagency deliberations about energy and climate policies.
Question 14. Is corn-based ethanol a viable, affordable and sustainable resource
to supplement Americas transportation fuel needs? If not, should we shift investment/tax incentives away from corn based ethanol to other commodities?
Answer. Corn-based ethanol is an important bridge technology in helping make
America more energy independent, but if we are going to displace a large fraction
of the oil we use for transportation, we will need to go beyond corn and begin to
use other feedstocks. Thats why President-elect Obama is committed to accelerating
the transition to advanced biofuels. If confirmed, I am open to reviewing biofuels
policies across the board in order to ensure that we have an effective set of policies
in place to keep the bridge technologies intact and to expeditiously develop more advanced biofuels technologies.
Question 15. Should Congress make changes to the renewable fuel standard? If
so, what changes do you believe are appropriate?
Answer. I have not yet had an opportunity to study the impacts of the renewable
fuels standard, but if confirmed, I am open to reviewing biofuels policies to ensure
that we have an effective framework in place.
Question 16. Wyoming and many other western states have significant wind resources. The best areas for wind development are often found at great distances
from large metropolitan areas and adequate transmission infrastructure. As a result, the ability to harness the wind and get it to market is limited. Will the economic stimulus proposal include incentivestax incentives, loan guarantees, borrowing authoritythat will encourage investment in building and modernizing our
electricity transmission system? What role can/will you play in 1) arguing in favor
of such incentives and 2) for moving forward investment in electric transmission
construction for the nations grid?
Answer. I agree that fully exploiting wind and other renewables will require infrastructure improvements. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in
need of investment and modernization. The stimulus proposal can offer significant
and timely opportunities to make investments in this area, and I will support such
investments. In addition, we will need to encourage greater private investment in
electric transmission by working towards new solutions to barriers posed by siting,
cost allocation and other issues.
Question 17. Energy independence goes hand in hand with economic and national
security. We can eliminate our dependence on foreign oil by aggressively developing
our oil shale resources. It is estimated that the three state region on Wyoming, Colorado and Utah holds more than 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil. Fully devel-

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oping those reserves, combined with making more fuel efficient vehicles, would
eliminate the daily transfer of billions of dollars to countries around the world. I
believe that from a national security standpoint, developing this resource is critical.
Do you agree? Please explain your position?
Answer. I support a comprehensive national energy strategy that includes assessing the potential contributions of oil shale to the nations energy mix and to national
energy security. It is important that any future development of our nations oil shale
resources be done in a way that does not exacerbate our climate change problems
or otherwise inflict severe environmental harm. Of course, many of the decisions affecting the future of oil shale in America will be driven by the price of oil and by
the technical and economic judgments of private companies. In the case of leasing
of shale formations on federal lands, the Department of the Interior will play a
major role, but DOE should continue to provide leadership in assessing the state
of oil shale technology, and in helping to understand the characteristics of the shale
deposits and the environmental impacts of developing them.
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Question 1. Dr. Chu, you are obviously a capable and well-qualified nominee for
this post. What role do you see Ms. Browner, in the newly created White House position, having on the decisions and program implementation at DOE?
Answer. I have met with Ms. Browner and look forward to working with her. Ms.
Browner will play an important role in the coordination of policy across Federal
agencies that work on energy and environmental issuesa function that reflects the
fact that a number of federal departments and agencies will be working on the key
energy-related challenges articulated by the President-elect. We have experience
with this type of coordination, as we have seen with the National Security Council
and the National Economic Council. Implementing programs at DOE, as well as
running the organization, will of course remain the responsibility of DOEs leadership.
Question 2. How can the US set up a dual-transmission infrastructureone for
renewables, one for traditionalwithout setting ourselves up for more problems
down the road? Doesnt a smart transmission grid require us to look past the political and look to the practical? In other words, shouldnt we be smart about developing a smart grid?
Answer. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in need of investment and modernization. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century energy
requirement. I agree that we need a well-thought-out approach, but done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in greatly improved electric grid reliability and security, increased renewable generation and greater customer choice
and energy affordability. If confirmed, I look forward to thoroughly reviewing all of
DOEs efforts in this area and working with you on this important issue.
Question 3. Do you support the decision to scale back the FutureGen program in
favor of smaller test facilities? What is your view on the role of clean coal technology
in addressing climate change?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of the Bush Administrations decisionmaking with respect to the FutureGen program. If confirmed, I will undertake a
thorough review of the program, and do whatever I can to ensure that DOE moves
forward in collaboratively testing the variety of technologies that hold promise for
cleaner-burning coal plants. More broadly, I believe that it must be a top priority
of the Department to accelerate research and development of a range of carbon capture and storage technologies.
Question 4. CCS will play an important role in a carbon-strained future. Do you
support funding for more CCS demonstration projects? What funding structure do
you envision?
Answer. I share President-elect Obamas view that we need to aggressively pursue
carbon capture and storage technology. Were going to need this technology here in
the United States, and its going to be needed in China, India and elsewhere around
the world. I do believe that we need to test a variety of CCS technologies, but at
this point, I am not in a position to offer specific plans regarding the optimal funding structure for doing so. Once confirmed, however, I look forward to working with
you and with Congress as a whole to move forward on CCS technology development
as swiftly as possible.
Question 5. CCS projects also face above ground/below ground property rights
issues with regard to the issuance of permits. What federal role do you see in the
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Answer. As I understand it, these issues are largely within the purview of the Environmental Protection Agency, which is working on draft rules for underground
carbon dioxide injection. If confirmed, I will support the continued cooperation of
DOE with EPA and others to develop the policies and procedures necessary to make
CCS a safe and reliable long-term option for addressing carbon dioxide emissions.
Question 6. Do you agree with me that, at least for the next 10-20 years, we need
to continue our development of traditional sources of energysuch as coal, oil, and
natural gaswhile working to develop the energy resources that will eventually replace them?
Answer. There is no doubt that traditional fossil fuels will continue to represent
major contributors to our nations energy mix. Moreover, I believe we should accelerate the development of technologies that will enable us to use those resources
more efficiently and with fewer emissionsto reduce costs, reduce dependence on
imported oil, and cut our emissions of greenhouse gases.
Question 7. How do you see a cap and trade market being designed? What costcontainment mechanism do you support? What role do you see international and domestic offsets playing?
Answer. President-elect Obama believes that unchecked emissions of greenhouse
gases and continuing climate change poses serious threats to our environment, our
economy, and our security. As you know, he has proposed a cap-and-trade program
to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but the details of that program will not be developed until after the new Administration takes office. At that time, the issues of
environmental targets and timetables, cost containment, offsets, linkages to other
nations commitments, and the many other program elements and options will be
fully examined. The President-elect has said that he plans to work with Congress
to develop an effective, bi-partisan program. In the meantime, I believe there is
much the Department of Energy can and should do to spearhead the development
of energy efficient technologies that will help us meet our greenhouse gas reduction
goals. The fastest and largest near-term reductions are through improvements in
energy efficiency, something that I have worked on at LBNL, and which I hope to
emphasize as Secretary if confirmed.
Question 8. President-elect Obama is focusing much of his attention on the creation of green jobs as a way to stimulate the economy. Would you consider nuclear
jobs as green jobs?
Answer. Nuclear power currently accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon electricity generation, and employs people in communities throughout the country. President-elect Obama has
made it clear that he understands the contribution that nuclear energy makes to
our economy, and that he believes it will be part of our energy mix into the future.
Obviously, the construction of new nuclear power plants can provide many well-paying construction jobs. However, my understanding has been that the term green
jobs applies mostly to those in energy efficiency and in the newer alternative energy industries, such as solar, wind, and geothermal energy, and advanced vehicle
technologies and liquid fuels.
Question 9. Loan guarantee programIts my understanding that the Department
is requiring a first lien on the entire project, and that this would preclude many
utilities who have mortgages on their property from taking advantage of any loan
guarantees. Would you support the DOE relaxing its position on this?
Answer. If I am confirmed as the Secretary of Energy, I would examine the rules
and regulations under the Title XVII Loan Guarantee Program, including the first
lien issue, to determine if any modifications should be made. I look forward to sharing the results of such a review with you and your colleagues.
Question 10. Loan guarantee programI have read that a number of investorowned utilities are having municipal and electric cooperative utilities as joint owners in some of these nuclear projects. Its my understanding that having a first lien
on the entire project, even if the utility owns only a portion of the plant, might stymie the joint ownership arrangements with public power participants, because this
would violate the bonds issued by the public power participants. Would you support
the Department taking a lien on less than the entire project?
Answer. Again, if I am confirmed as the Secretary of Energy, I would examine
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CAP-AND-TRADE

Question 1. I think that putting a price on carbon would give us a good opportunity to implement a standard for energy technology and stop picking winners and
losers. In April 2008, the Energy Information Administration released a detailed report, Federal Financial Interventions and Subsidies in Energy Markets 2007, regarding subsidies in energy markets. Would you and your team review that analysis
and respond to the Committee regarding which subsidies could be eliminated under
a cap-and-trade program or carbon tax,-and which ones you think should be maintained?
What is your opinion of both international and domestic offsets in the context of
a cap-and-trade program? If you support them, how big a role do you think they
should play in a cap-and-trade program?
Answer. While I am not familiar with the study that you cite, if confirmed I will
certainly review it and respond to the Committee, as you request. With respect to
offsets, President-elect Obama has proposed a cap-and-trade program to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions, but the details of that program will not be developed
until after the new Administration takes office. At that time, the issues of environmental targets and timetables, cost containment, offsets, linkages to other nations
commitments, and the many other program elements and options will be fully examined. The President-elect has said that he plans to work with Congress to develop
an effective, bi-partisan program.
NATIONAL LABS

Question 2. I am concerned that there are some operational issues that are getting
in the way of the Departments science mission. Will you commit to working with
me and other committee members on an ongoing basis to find some creative solutions to some of these issues, and would you be open to including a pilot project at
one or more of the national labs to test new ideas in areas like construction management and safety oversight?
Answer. Improving operations at DOE is a key goal that I will pursue as Secretary if I am confirmed. As Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, I
spent a significant amount of my time working to ensure that projects were delivered on time and on budget, and provided quality scientific research. If confirmed,
I look forward to discussing ideas for improving DOEs operations and working with
you and other members of the committee to find solutions.
PENSION PLANS

Question 3. Members of the Coalition of Oak Ridge Retired Employees (CORRE)

are deeply concerned about the benefits they receive compared to the benefits received by retirees at other DOE labs. Will you conduct a careful review of the benefit plans offered to retirees by the Oak Ridge DOE contractors, as well as those
provided by other DOE contractors at other facilities and tell us if you believe there
are inequities in those plans? If so, should they be addressed by the Department?
Answer. If confirmed I would certainly be willing to request a review of the benefit plans provided to retirees at Oak Ridge and other DOE sites, and to examine
the issue closely. As you are aware, this is not an issue that I have been previously
involved in beyond the Berkeley Laboratory, so I do not currently have a view of
whether there are inequities in the Oak Ridge plans. I would look forward to discussing the issue further with you after conducting a review.
GENERAL SCIENCE AND RESEARCH

Question 4. There is bipartisan consensus that our country needs to invest in applied research on known potential energy sources. What priority would you give to
funding of basic research, which often provides the foundation for such important
discoveries but may not result in energy breakthroughs for a number of years?
In what specific areas of energy research is additional government investment
most needed? Why are such investments important? How do we ensure adequate
and stable government funding for these areas of highest priority?
Answer. I believe that both basic and applied energy research must be strengthened at DOE, and directed towards the goal of producing energy technologies that
improve our energy security and help us meet the climate change challenge. As Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, I have challenged some of the
best scientists to turn their attention to our energy and climate change problems
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Science does so well and the type of applied research that leads to energy innovation. I have also worked to partner with academia and industry. I know that these
efforts are working, and I want to extend this approach throughout DOEs network
of national science laboratories. Once confirmed, I will more closely examine the research agenda of the Department, and I look forward to discussing with you in
greater detail the issue of research priorities and funding streams.
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FOSSIL FUELS AND CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE ISSUES

Question 1. What will be your stance on promoting and developing clean coal technologies? How will the Department of Energy, under your direction, continue to invest in carbon capture and sequestration research? What role do you think that CCS
will play in decarbonizing fossil fuels? Beyond coal, how should we be incorporating
opportunities to incorporate CCS opportunities in the economy?
Answer. I share President-elect Obamas view that we need to aggressively pursue
carbon capture and storage technology. Were going to need this technology here in
the United States, and its going to be needed in China, India and elsewhere around
the world. I know that this committee has taken a strong interest in CCS. Both the
President-elect and I agree that coal is a vital energy resource for our country. As
you know coal currently provides fifty percent of our electricity, and we have enormous coal reserves that can provide power long into the future. At the same time,
coal-fired power plants are the largest contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions,
and a growing source of global emissions. Thats why, if confirmed, I look forward
to working this committee and Congress as a whole to move forward on CCS technology as swiftly as possible.
ACCELERATED RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, DEMONSTRATION AND DEPLOYMENT IN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUES

Question 2. There is considerable evidence that many innovative ideas on dealing

with energy and greenhouse gas emissions reduction have stalled between applied
research/pilot projects and the first two or three commercial sized projects. Many
have referred to this proverbial problem as the Valley of Death. What do you see
as the Departments role in promoting early commercialization of new energy
projects? If you think the Department should be more involved, how do you propose
to implement a strategy, including moving more quickly in the Title XVII Loan
Guarantee Program?
Answer. As director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory I have challenged some of the best scientists there to address our Nations energy and climate
change problems by bridging the gap between the mission-oriented science that the
Office of Science does so well and the applied research that leads to energy innovation. Commercialization is the end of this process, and so I have also worked to partner the research community with industry. If confirmed, I will encourage this approach in all 17 of the Departments national laboratories, and I will commit to better focus and integrate our research efforts and to better utilize the tools Congress
gave the Department in the Energy Policy Act of 2005, including the Technology
Transfer provisions in Title X and the Loan Guarantee program authorized in Title
XVII.
BIOFUELS ISSUES

Question 3. If the United States is going to produce 36 billion gallons of renewable

biofuel by 2022, what policies do you think need to be in place to make sure we
get there? Would those policies include moving to higher level blends of ethanol,
such as E15 or E20? What steps would we need to take to make that happen?
Answer. Increasing production of home-grown biofuels is an important element of
President-Elect Obamas strategy to reduce dependence on foreign oil and reduce
greenhouse gas emissions. The plan includes includes a number of policies and
measures to help us achieve this goal, including research funding for cellulosic and
other advanced biofuels; incentives to expand ethanol infrastructure; incentives to
encourage the commercialization of advanced biofuels technologies; and a national
low-carbon fuel standard to spur low-carbon fuels. Looking at higher blends is
something that I am interested in doing. If confirmed, I pledge to work to implement these policies, building on the strong base that this committee has helped to
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RENEWABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY ISSUES

Question 4. In May, the Department of Energy released a report saying that we

can get to 20% of our electricity from wind by 2030. How do you plan to use the
resources of the Department of Energy to help make that vision more of a reality?
In addition, other renewable resources would benefit from a similar analysis to
see what their potential is in the same time frame. Ideally, the same analysis would
be done for each renewable technology and then integrated to see what our nations
renewable resource potential is over the next couple of decades. Is this an idea that
you support and would implement at the Department?
Answer. As we have discussed, wind has enormous potential. The most important
policies that we need to put in place are a long-term signal to investors, and policies
to accelerate the development of new transmission capacity. With respect to other
renewables, I agree that a resource assessment makes a great deal of sense, and
if confirmed, I would be happy to look into ways the Department could help to accomplish this goal.
Question 5. The Department of Energy has been a leader in federal energy efficiency and the Energy Savings Performance Contracts (ESPC) have contributed significantly to the progress federal agencies have made. I understand that there are
many projects in the pipeline today that are currently on hold and facing potential
further delays due to an issue with the contract ceilings. Agencies and industry
have already invested substantial time and effort to get these projects completed.
How can DOE expedite moving those projects?
Answer. Energy efficiency is the cheapest energy resource that we have. It will
be a high priority for me if I am confirmed, starting with the Federal Government,
which is the worlds largest single consumer of energy. In addition, President-elect
Obama recently set new goals for building efficiency within the federal government.
I am not familiar with the reasons for the delays in completing the Energy Savings
Performance Contracts that you cite, but if confirmed will certainly work with you
to address this important issue.
TRANSPORTATION POLICY ISSUES

Question 6. We are trying to accelerate the use of electric drive vehicles like plug
in hybrids and hydrogen fuel cells. We are also looking at natural gas for other sectors and are attempting to expand the use of biofuels (intermediate blends and E85).
Although each of these technologies has been looked at independently, is it time to
put together a roadmap for how these advanced technologies could be integrated together to change our transportation markets and infrastructure? Do you have ideas
on a more integrated policy approach so that all of these vehicles can play a role
in our transportation future?
Answer. President-elect Obama is committed to creating new research and development programs to accelerate innovation in our transportation options, including
advance technologies for batteries, fuels and vehicles. I agree that integration of
these technologies is essential, and developing an appropriate roadmap makes good
sense. If confirmed, I pledge to work with Congress and other members of the Administration to work on this critical issue.
NUCLEAR POWER ISSUES

Question 7. Throughout the campaign, President-elect Obama asserted that since

Congress was debating the negative impact of CO2 emissions on the global ecosystem, it is reasonableand realisticfor nuclear power to remain on the table for
consideration.
In his New Energy for America speech, the President elect said: Nuclear power
represents more than 70 percent of our non-carbon generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we eliminate nuclear power
as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is considered, key
issues must be addressed including: security of nuclear fuel and waste, waste storage, and proliferation.
Do you agree with the President elect that nuclear energy is part of the solution
in achieving our climate goals? If so, what is your plan to dispose of spent nuclear
reactor fuel at the current waste repository, in dry casks on site or through other
means?
Answer. We are going to need a range of low-carbon energy technologies to meet
the global warming challenge. Today, nuclear power currently accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, and more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon
electricity generation. For those reasons, President-elect Obama has said made it
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omy, and that he believes it will be part of our energy mix into the future. As we
move forward with nuclear power, President-elect Obama believes that we need to
resolve issues around waste management, proliferation. In addition, industry, as
well as state utility commissions, will play a major role in determining whether investments in new nuclear plants are economical in the future. In addition, we must
work to ensure that the waste stored at current reactor sites is contained using the
most advanced dry-cask storage technology available and is adequately secured.
These issues will be a priority for me, if I am confirmed.
INDIAN AFFAIRS QUESTIONS

Question 8. North Dakota has the greatest wind generation potential in the country, and North Dakotas Indian tribes are interested in developing wind generation.
The Department of Energys Western Area Power Authority (WAPA) has the transmission infrastructure to carry North Dakota wind generation to energy markets,
but WAPA has been slow to provide transmission space and develop interconnection
for Indian tribes and renewable energy. What direction will you provide WAPA to
ensure that we can tap into the great potential of this wind resource and provide
Indian tribes with needed opportunities for energy and economic development?
Answer. I recognize the importance of the role the federal government can play
in working with Indian tribes in renewable energy development. While I am not familiar with the details regarding WAPAs dealings in the instances you cite, I believe that WAPA and other power marketing associations should be leading the way
when it comes to renewable electricity. If confirmed, I will look more closely at this
important issue.
Question 9. The Energy Policy Act of 2005, Title V, Indian Energy, created two
Indian energy offices. One office within the Department of the Interior (DOI) and
the other with the Department of Energy (DOE). DOIs office is now known around
Indian country as a fantastic source for technological resources and funding for
tribes to start tribal energy projects. On the other hand, it took two years for DOE
to select a director for its office. This office remains so unsupported that it does not
provide the services Congress wrote into its authorizing law. Congress authorized
DOEs Indian energy office to support to Indian tribes in energy planning, energy
efficiency, and carbon sequestration opportunities on reservations. How will you promote DOEs Indian energy office so that it can become effective in supporting energy
activities on Indian reservations?
Answer. I recognize the importance of the role the federal government can play
in working with Indian tribes in renewable energy development. While I am not familiar with the details regarding DOEs Indian energy office, I agree that DOE
should work with Indian Tribes to maximize opportunities in clean energy. If confirmed, I will look more closely at this important issue.
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Question 1. As you are aware, basic research such as fusion science serves as the
foundation for important energy breakthroughs that will lead to the future of energy
production. In my state, the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory is working on the
type of transformational science that will be necessary to meet the long-term challenges of our worlds future climate and energy needs. Could you please explain
what you see as the role of fusion science in the nations energy research portfolio,
particularly in light of the apparent worldwide interest in this field, as demonstrated through the seven nation commitment to the international ITER project?
Answer. Fusion science research, such as that conducted at the Princeton Plasma
Physics Laboratory, is important because fusion power systems hold the potential
to produce abundant energy without producing long-lived nuclear wastes or greenhouse gases. I look forward to working with closely with you on fusion science research issues if I am confirmed.
Question 2. The Department of Energy has designated the entire state of New Jersey as part of a National Interest Electricity Transmission Corridor. The designation
was the result of a subpar congestion study. On the West Coast the DOE produced
a transmission line-by transmission line study of congestion which resulted in a narrow, targeted transmission corridor. The Mid-Atlantic transmission corridor covers
all or part of 8 states and the District of Columbia and has been characterized by
some state regulators as setting up a superhighway to coal electricity. As the DOE
updates their congestion studies will you ensure that they are accurate on a transmission line-by-transmission line basis? And if the study shows it appropriate, will
you be willing to narrow the Mid-Atlantic transmission corridor?
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late major investment in our national utility grid. Siting new transmission lines is
a key component of this effort, and striking the right balance between local, state
and federal authorities and interests is paramount. At this point, I do not have a
view on the balance struck in EPACT 2005 with respect to the designation of National Interest Electricity Transmission Corridors, but if confirmed, as I said in by
testimony before the Committee, I will review the new study and if appropriate certainly consider adjustments to the Mid-Atlantic corridor. I look forward to thoroughly reviewing this critical issue and working with you on it.
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You have stated a need for and support the implementation of a cap and trade
program in the United States to limit greenhouse gas emissions, which will associate a cost with the amount emitted. However, recently a growing number of scientists are questioning how quickly the warming is happening and whether humans
are actually the leading cause. They are worried that people are too focused on carbon dioxide as the culprit. Recent warning has stopped since 998, and they want
to stop measures that will hurt our already spiraling downward economy. More than
31,000 scientists across the world have signed the Global Warming Petition Project,
a declaration started by a group of American scientists that states mans impact on
climate change cant be reasonably proven.
Question 1. If you are confirmed to be the Secretary of the Department of Energy,
will you treat with respect those who raise questions about global warming and
have minority views on this important issue?
Answer. Consistent with one of the important elements of the scientific method,
scientists are always challenging the prevailing view, looking for weak spots and
places where new discoveries can lead to breakthroughs or even can overturn entire
paradigms. I respect that scientific process, and always approach new information
with an open mind. That said, the state of climate science continues to improve
steadily, and the weight of international scientific opinion continues to favor heavily
the conclusion that human activities are, in fact, causing fundamental changes in
Earths climate.
Question 2. A desire to transition away from our current energy mix and towards
lower carbon energy sources, while incredibly important, is also very expensive. If
you are confirmed to be the Secretary of the Department of Energy, what will have
a higher priority for you capping green house gas emissions or the certainty of higher costs to our already struggling economy?
Answer. President-elect Obama believes that unchecked emissions and continuing
climate change poses serious threats to our environment, our economy, and our security. There is no question that doing nothing about climate change risks imposing
huge new costs on our economy and our citizens. At the same time, however, it is
essential that we develop market-based systems (such as a cap-and-trade program)
for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, in order to minimize costs. But one of the
most promising ways to meet both our climate change and energy goals without
harming consumers is to develop the next generation of technologies that will enable
us to transform the way we produce and use energy in America. I believe that R&D
and other policies to promote efficiency and renewables will dramatically reduce the
costs of controlling climate-changing emissions. In addition, they will help eliminate
the threat to American families from the recurring energy price shocks that our current dependence on imported oil have caused. If confirmed, I look forward to helping
to lead that effort.
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TRIBAL ENERGY AND TRUST RESPONSIBILITIES

Question 1. Section 502 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 created a new Office of
Indian Energy Policy and Programs to promote energy planning, management, education, and infrastructure development on Tribal lands. In addition, the Federal
Government has broad trust and treaty responsibilities with regard to Indian
Tribes. In the Northwest, there are a number of Department activities that impact,
or have the potential to impact, Tribal interests ranging from the clean-up of the
Hanford Reservation to operation of the Bonneville Power Administration under the
Northwest Power Act. If confirmed, what steps will you take to ensure that the Department consults with the Tribes on critical issues, such as impacts of these activities on salmon, and meets its obligations to them?
Answer. I recognize the importance of the Departments obligations to federally
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them in ways that work for the tribes economic development and to help meet our
nations energy challenges. Both of these situations create new opportunities for
working together in the future. The missions of the Office of Indian Energy Policy
and Programs and the Office of Environmental Management (EM) have been focal
points for these efforts within the Department, and there may well the need to develop strong ties in the future. If confirmed, I will work to improve the relationship
between the Department and Indian Tribes, and to examine related programs within the context of an overall review of the Departments budget.
BALANCED RENEWABLE ENERGY PORTFOLIO

Question 2. Under the Bush Administration whole sectors of energy technology

and energy management were essentially discarded as immaterial to solving our
Nations energy problemsgeothermal was zeroed out. Hydroelectric technology
funding, including wave energy and tidal energy, was zeroed out. While funding was
provided for ethanol research, very little was provided for advanced biofuels or direct biomass utilization technologies. The industrial efficiency program was almost
completely eliminated. And, almost nothing was spent on energy storage technologiesa valuable tool for both grid management and for maximizing the benefits
of intermittent renewable energy generation technologies. Would you agree that we
need a broad portfolio of green energy technologies and would you commit to resuscitating these previously underfunded programs, so that we truly have a balanced
portfolio of energy technologies?
Answer. Yes, I believe that we must step on the accelerator on a wide range of
renewable energy research, development, and deployment to the marketplace. That
includes things like solar, wind, hydrogen, biomass, hydro and others. Advances in
biofuels, including cellulosic ethanol, biobutenol and other new technologies that
produce synthetic petroleum from sustainable feedstocks offer tremendous potential
to break our addition to oil. DOE has a major role to play. DOE supports research
in a number of scientific disciplines that are relevant for renewable energy. Many,
but certainly not all of these research efforts take place at the National Research
Energy Lab. My own former laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley Lab, for example, also
does research on renewable energy issues. The range of research sponsored by DOE
is largefrom support for research on materials, to development of software systems for integration of renewables into the grid, to research on bioenergy systems,
and so forth. DOE is the premier sponsor of research on renewable energy in the
U.S., and if confirmed, it will be my goal to make these programs not just bigger,
but more effective in harnessing the scientific talent we have across the country to
develop energy solutions and help get them into the marketplace more quickly.
RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCE ASSESSMENTS

Question 3. In addition to policy support, the Department of Energy has supported

resource assessments and promoted growth targets for other renewables, most recently the 20% by 2030 wind report. Such reports are critical components to promoting the potential of renewable energy industries to the public and policymakers
alike. Other technologies, such as hydropowers growth potential, are not as well
documented by the Department. Would you support the development of a similar
report for the hydropower industry that includes conventional hydropower, and new
ocean, tidal and in-stream hydrokinetic technologies?
Answer. I agree that there is substantial untapped potential in these other renewable technologies that needs to be explored. A formal resource assessment makes
a great deal of sense, and if confirmed, I would be happy to look into ways the Department might achieve them.
LOAN GUARANTEES

Question 4. During your confirmation hearing a number of Senators urged you to

expedite the loan guarantee program established in Title XVII of the Energy Policy
Act of 2005. While the loan guarantee program has had some very strong supporters
on this committee, and I think it is fair to say that I am not among them. Since
the program is with us, however, there are two principles I think we should insist
that it observe. The first is objectivity, fairness, and transparency. I think it is essential that DOE ensure that in awarding guarantees, it will adhere to clear, objective decision-making criteria and establish a selection process that is transparent
and fully documented. This has not been the case to date. Some technologies were
deliberately excluded from the first round solicitation and DOE refused to provide
any documentation of its ranking methodology or any explanation of how it selected
the finalists. The second basic principle is fiscal prudence. We are in challenging
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because of guarantees awarded to projects and applicants that are not creditworthy.
Some of the guarantees under consideration are in the billions of dollars, and DOE
could readily add to our expanding deficits by guaranteeing projects that present a
significant risk of default. Would you commit to observing these principles and administer a loan guarantee program that is fair, transparent, and fiscally sound?
Answer. President-elect Obama has made transparency a key objective of his Administration. If I am confirmed, I will work to make the program effective, objective,
fair, transparent and prudent.
LNG EXPORTS

Question 5. Pursuant to Section 3 of the Natural Gas Act, the Secretary of Energy
is obligated to approve the export and import of natural gas. On June 30, 2008 and
July 30, 2008 respectively, the Department issued and affirmed an order to allow
two major integrated oil companiesConocoPhillips and Marathon Oilto export
liquefied natural gas (LNG) from Alaska to Japan notwithstanding warnings from
the Departments Energy Information Administration that Americans were going to
pay dramatically higher heating bills in the lower-48 states and that key natural
gas customers in Alaska did not have an assured supply of gas. Given the facts in
the case, I do not understand how the Department arrived at its decision that the
proposed exports were in the public interest and wrote to Secretary Bodman asking
him to review the decision, a request he never responded to. How would you interpret the public interest standard required for natural gas exports?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of this particular case, but I recognize
that decisions affecting domestic natural gas supplies are critically important. If
confirmed, I will acquaint myself with this issue, and will work with you to ensure
that the Department makes careful decisions under the law that you cite.
SPR EXPANSION

Question 6. In the name of energy security, the Bush Administration has proposed
to double the size of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to 1.5 billion barrels at a cost
of upwards of $10 billion in capital costs and billions of dollars more for the oil to
fill it. This considerable investment will not leave the United States any less dependent on imported oil for its daily energy needs, nor will it reduce our oil requirements by a single drop. What is your position on expanding the size of the Reserve
beyond the current 727 billion barrels? What is your position on continuing the
Bush Administrations program to expand the reserve to 1.5 billion barrels?
Answer. Although I do not know the program in detail, I understand that Congress directed the DOE to expand the SPR to 1 billion gallons. DOE recently took
steps to move in this direction. I believe that the SPR does provide an important
safeguard against disruptions in oil supply, but also believe that management of the
SPR, like many other programs, can be improved. If confirmed, I will review SPR
policies with a goal of making the program more flexible, more effective and less
costly.
ENERGYSTAR

Question 7. The EnergyStar program has been an enormously successful program

under which the Energy Department and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
work with the private sector and energy experts in developing voluntary energy efficiency standards for a wide variety of consumer products. These standards enable
consumers of all kinds to rely upon these standards in their purchasing decisions
and have resulted in substantial energy savings. However, EnergyStar standards
only measure direct energy use of the product. They do not take into account the
lifecycle energy use of manufacturing and use, nor do they take into account other
environmental impacts such as green house gas production. As a result, the current
approach to EnergyStar standards may result in certification of products and corresponding consumer purchasing decisions that do not result in the best overall national energy or environmental outcome. If confirmed, would you support a reexamination of the EnergyStar standards formulation process, or a pilot program, that
would take into account lifecycle energy and climate impacts?
Answer. President-elect Obama has made clear his support for clean and efficient
energy production and use, and for aggressive greenhouse-gas reduction goals. The
EnergyStar program certainly plays an important role in guiding consumer purchasing decisions in directions that support those goals. If confirmed, I will review
the program with attention to an examination of the issues involved in incorporating lifecycle energy and climate impacts.

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CTL

Question 1. In your testimony you state that we must make a greater commitment
to achieving energy independence. I, too, share this goal and believe that coal can
play a vital role in achieving this through the development of coal-to-liquid fuels
technology. Through the use of clean coal initiatives and the Department of Energys
loan guarantee program, we have the opportunity to create American jobs, cut our
dependence on Middle East Oil and substantially reduce emissions. As the Secretary
of Energy will you continue to support this DOE loan guarantee program as well
as efforts to utilize clean coal initiatives, such as coal-to-liquid fuels, to achieve energy independence?
Answer. I believe that we can and should pursue energy policies and technologies
that advance both our energy security and climate change goals. I also believe that
the loan guarantee program can help accelerate the development of new energy facilities and technologies that can contribute to meeting some of our national goals.
I also support further research and development into technologies that can help us
use our vast coal reserves in new, more efficient, and less-polluting ways. The objective of coal-to-liquids R&D should be to develop technology that is superior to conventional gasoline in terms of life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions.
COAL-FIRED ELECTRICITY

Question 2. Mr. Chu, in the past you have described coal as your worst nightmare
despite the fact that coal keeps more than half of all Americans utility costs at an
affordable rate. As Secretary of Energy, will you support coat-fired electric generation and the construction of new coal-fired plants as a means to provide reliable,
cost-effective electricity for the American people?
Answer. Coal is a vital energy resource for our country. Coal currently provides
fifty percent of our electricity, and we have enormous coal reserves that ensure that
coal will be part of our energy mix into the future. At the same time, coal-fired
power plants are the largest contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and a
growing source of global emissions. Thats why I share President-elect Obamas view
that we need to aggressively pursue carbon capture and storage technology. Were
going to need this technology here in the United States, and its going to be needed
in China, India and elsewhere around the world. If confirmed, I look forward to
working you and with Congress as a whole to advance CCS technology as swiftly
as possible.
PUTTING A PRICE ON CARBON

Question 3. In the past you have supported efforts to put a price on carbon emissions whether it be through a carbon tax or cap and trade legislation. As we have
seen in Europe and elsewhere, cap and trade legislation or carbon taxes do little
to reduce actual carbon emissions and resulted in higher emissions and higher utility prices for consumers. Do you believe that increased development of carbon capture and sequestration technologies is a more reliable way to achieve effective CO2
management while ensuring that American families will not bear the burden of increased energy costs?
Answer. I believe that a cap-and-trade program, which President-elect Obama has
endorsed, and carbon capture and sequestration technologies, which he also supports, are complimentary. As the President-elect has said, we must rapidly develop
the technologies that will enable us to use our vast coal reserves in more efficient
and environmentally benign ways. A cap-and-trade program can provide incentives
to move in this direction. By combining the use of such technologies with new policies to develop renewable energy sources and to cut energy waste, we can achieve
our energy and climate goals. And we can do so using market-based systems that
do not impose costly burdens on consumers and businesses.
NUCLEAR ENERGY CLEANUP

Question 4. Mr. Chu as you may know my state is home to the only operating
nuclear enrichment plant in Paducah, Kentucky as well as a large stock pile of depleted uranium. Do you support recycling spent nuclear fuel as a means to meet
our obligations in the Nuclear Waste Policy Act? Also, do you believe that the communities that are home to this nuclear waste should play a role in deciding what
will be done with it?
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we must not compromise our non-proliferation or safety objectives. I also believe
that all stakeholders should be allowed the opportunity to offer opinions about
waste management options.
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HANFORD CLEANUP

Hanford, the most contaminated radioactive waste site in the Western hemisphere, is a constant challenge for us in the Pacific Northwest. Unfortunately it has
also been the source of constant friction with DOE, because for decades the Department failed to meet its legal obligations to clean up Hanford, threatening the health
and well-being of citizens of central Washington.
I know better than most that Hanford is not a glamorous issue, but that does not
mean its any less urgent. Hanford cleanup accounts for almost 10 percent of DOES
entire budget, so I hope that, in notable contrast to your predecessors, you will commit as Secretary to turn the page on years of broken DOE promises and ensure that
the DOE finally lives up to its responsibility at Hanford.
The most urgent threat to human health and the environment at Hanford are the
53 million gallons of radioactive waste stored in 177 underground tanks67 of
which have been confirmed to have leaked and are reaching groundwater and moving toward the Columbia River.
If all the tank waste is not contained and eventually reaches the river, this would
be catastrophic and could eliminate the ability to use Columbia River water for fish
or drinking water.
Over the last 8 years, the Bush Administration has failed to live up to its legal
obligations to fund a safe and timely clean up as mandated by the Tri-Party Agreement between the state of Washington, the Department of Energy, and the Environmental Protection Agency.
With the Department of Energy missing major tank waste cleanup and Waste
Treatment Plant milestones in the last two years and with no hope of timely compliance, the Columbia River is becoming even more threatened by the potential for a
catastrophic and irretrievable radioactive leak.
There are 149 single shelled tanks, each of which is beyond its design life by as
many as 30 years, unless we retrieve the remaining tank waste more expeditiously,
we could have a catastrophic radioactive leak into the Columbia River as soon as
thirty-years from now.
However, this thirty-year estimate is not even certain because DOE hasnt made
the necessary investments in analyzing the groundwater contamination or tank
waste leakage.
The state of Washington believes that this catastrophic event is more likely to be
avoided with a commitment to retrieve 20 single shell tanks by the time the Waste
Treatment Plant if fully operational by 2019, and accelerated cleanup of contaminated groundwater to protect the Columbia River and restore the groundwater to
beneficial use.
The state of Washington recently came close to an agreement with DOE to revise
the cleanup milestones and reinvest in DOES commitment at Hanford. Unfortunately the agreement that the state worked out with Secretary Bodman fell through
in part because the Department of Justice would not support it. Now the state has
announced that it is suing DOE to force it to meet the cleanup milestones.
Question 1a. Do you support the principles articulated in the Tri-Party Agreement, especially including the requirement that the tank waste must be 99 percent
retrieved to prevent further groundwater contamination?
Answer. I support the principles of the Tri-Party Agreement including the prevention of further groundwater contamination. As to the detailed provisions of the
Agreement, I will conduct a thorough review once I am confirmed, and pledge to
work closely with you on this issue.
Question 1b. If the threat to the Columbia River could be resolved with increased
Hanford funding of $2 billion over the next four years, which could be part of the
stimulus package to create thousands of jobs, would you support it?
Answer. I cannot comment on the specifics of potential stimulus legislation at this
time, but I certainly appreciate the importance of having the necessary funding
available to move forward with the cleanup at Hanford. If confirmed, I know that
you and I will be working closely on this matter.
Question 1c. Can you also, like Secretary Bodman, commit to resolve the states
lawsuit and agree to a legally enforceable cleanup schedule to ensure no additional
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Answer. I am committed to work with the U.S. Department of Justice, Washington State, and EPA in an effort to resolve outstanding issues regarding Hanford
cleanup.
Question 1d. What is your plan to get the Department of Justice to agree to the
necessary concessions to meet the cleanup milestones of the Tri-Party Agreement?
Answer. My staff and I will work with our counterparts at the Department of Justice to address the outstanding issues with Washington State.
Question 1e. What will you do to turn the page on years of broken DOE promises
and ensure that the DOE finally lives up to its responsibility at Hanford?
Answer. DOE will work with Washington State and EPA to establish achievable
enforceable milestones and then work towards achieving those goals.
BPA BORROWING AUTHORITY

The Bonneville Power Administration owns 70 percent of the grid in the Pacific
Northwest. Having such a vital resource in public, non-profit ownership has been
a boon to our economy and enabled us to utilize our abundant and emissions free
hydropower.
However, future demand growth and the need to accommodate vast new wind
farms threaten to overwhelm BPAs current infrastructure and its ability to meet
national reliability standards.
A timely increase in BPAs borrowing authority is needed to maintain the value
of BPAs existing systems and to add new transmission capacity and smart grid
technologies to meet regional load growth and a more diverse array of energy
sources.
Increasing BPAs borrowing authority, unlike many proposed stimulus measures,
will have virtually no long term cost to taxpayers given BPAs 25-year record of
making its annual payments, with interest, to the U.S. Treasury.
Providing BPA access to capital unavailable on todays frozen credit markets will
immediately stimulate the economy by allowing 4,700 megawatts of new renewable
resources to come online in the next two years and helping create an estimated
50,000 direct and ancillary green jobs. Green power means green jobs, construction
jobs and economic multiplier spinoffs that benefit local communities.
During this time of serious economic challenge, it is important that an economic
stimulus package provide a high return on job creation and also move our nation
toward a cleaner energy future. This is why now is the time to make the long neglected investments necessary in our nations electricity grid to increase its efficiency and reliability and to meet future demand growth by integrating more renewable and distributed sources of energy.
Question 2. Will you support efforts to increase BPAs borrowing authority by $5
billion in the stimulus package, which we note will all be paid back to the U.S.
Treasury?
Answer. As I stated in my testimony before the Committee, I do support efforts
to increase BPAs borrowing authority. I look forward to working with you on this
important issue.
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NUCLEAR ENERGY

Question 1. Do you believe nuclear energy can play a valuable role in reducing
greenhouse gas emissions?
Answer. Today, nuclear power accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, and more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon electricity generation. Certainly,
it will be part of our energy mix, and contribute to meeting our climate change
goals, into the future.
Question 2. Recently you signed a report titled, A Sustainable Energy Future: An
Essential Role of Nuclear Energy, that you and nine other national laboratory directors sent to Secretary Bodman? Do you still support the reports findings and recommendations? If not, what specific recommendations do you oppose?
Answer. I agree with President-elect Obamas views on nuclear power. He has
made it clear that he understands the contribution that nuclear energy makes to
our economy, and that he believes it will be part of our energy mix into the future.
The President-elect supports license extensions for plants that meet NRC standards,
and will support continued R&D into improved waste reduction and safety advances. President-elect Obama has also stated that he does not believe that Yucca
Mountain is a workable option for the permanent disposal of spent fuel, but has
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These views are in line with many of the recommendations in the report that you
cite.
Question 3. The report said that expanding the use of nuclear energy is essential
for establishing a sustainable energy future. Do you agree?
Answer. President-elect Obama has said repeatedly that he understands the contribution that nuclear energy makes to our economy. The Energy Policy Act of 2005
provides a number of incentives for nuclear power, and the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission has seen a resurgence of applications from utilities. If confirmed, I
pledge to work to implement those EPAct incentives effectively, including the loan
guarantee program, and also to support a research effort to improve recycling and
proliferation-resistant technologies.
Question 4. On page 6 of this report, it states ... The disposition of used nuclear
fuel must be considered from both a short-and long-term perspective. Confidence regarding the disposal of waste is needed before the NRC will grant a license for a
new plant and before private investors will accept the financial risk of ordering ne
nuclear plants. In the short term, this confidence can be achieved by continuing the
licensing of a geologic repository at Yucca Mountain and enabling the continued interim storage of used fuel in dry casks and fuel pools. Do you support the license
application for Yucca Mountain that is before the Nuclear Regulatory Commission?
Answer. President-elect Obama has stated that he does not believe that Yucca
Mountain is a workable option for the permanent disposal of spent fuel. At the same
time, he understands the concerns about some current storage arrangements for the
waste. Fortunately, the NRC has affirmed the safety of dry cask storage, but I believe DOE should support research into additional means for assuring the longterm, safe, and cost-effective transportation and storage of waste, as well as into
proliferation-resistant techniques for waste reduction. If confirmed, I will work with
Congress, the nuclear power industry, and other stakeholders to address these important issues with objective, scientific analysis and with other important considerations including cost and technical issues.
Question 5. If not, why not? And if not, then what in you view is the likely impact
of not licensing Yucca Mountain have on the confidence of regulators and investors
in going forward with plans for new nuclear plants?
Answer. Again, the President-Elect has provided clear guidance that Yucca Mountain is not a workable option for the permanent disposal of spent fuel. The utility
industry has made clear that, while it would prefer to see the Yucca Mountain
Project go forward, it does plan to proceed with building new nuclear plants regardless of the lack of a permanent disposal site. In fact, a little over a week ago,
Progress Energy announced plans to build two new reactors in Florida. In addition,
there a number of applicants for DOEs nuclear loan guarantee program, a program
that I will support if I am confirmed.
Question 6. In the absence of Yucca Mountain, what would be your plan for the
disposition of DOE spent fuel and high level waste accumulating at DOE EM cleanup sites at Hanford, Idaho and Savannah River?
Answer. I understand that DOE has a continuing responsibility for managing its
defense waste, regardless of the outcome of either regulatory or policy decisions concerning Yucca Mountain. Currently, I am not in a position to know the range of alternatives for carrying out that responsibility in the absence of Yucca Mountain.
However, I do understand that resolving the important issue you raise will be an
important task for the Department to undertake. If confirmed, I will certainly look
forward to discussing this matter with you further and to developing a sustainable
policy for managing the spent fuel and waste at federal sites using the best technologies for ensuring public safety and environmental protection and remediation.
Question 7. Without Yucca Mountain, wont these cleanup sites become de facto
permanent storage/disposal facilities? Without Yucca, what is your plan to comply
with the current legally binding agreements between the federal government and
the states that require the removal of these radioactive materials?
Answer. I concur that the agreements between the federal government and states
are an important factor in any evaluation of alternatives to Yucca Mountain. Again,
I am not currently in a position to know the range of alternatives that might be
availableor their legal, technical, or economic ramificationsbut I do understand
that the Department will have to develop such alternatives, and I look forward to
hearing your views about them.
Question 8. Are you aware that the U.S. Navys current disposal plans for U.S.
Navy spent fuel are based on disposal at Yucca Mountain. Without Yucca Mountain,
what is your plan for complying with the BATT agreement?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work with Congress and other federal agencies to ensure that spent fuel from the federal sector is fully incorporated into the evaluations
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Question 9. With the current Federal liability for failure and non-performance of
DOE to begin accepting commercial spent fuel for disposal from utilities is at about
$ 11 billion. In you view, if the Yucca program does not go forward, is not properly
funded or is otherwise terminated, what in your view would be the total estimated
liability if U.S. utilities filed for full breach of contract with DOE?
Answer. I understand that the Department could have significant potential liability under the scenario you describein which DOE does nothing to fulfill its responsibilities under the Nuclear Waste Policy Act and U.S. utilities successfully sue for
full breach of contract. However, I currently am not in a position to know the full
range of issues that could affect the total amount of such potential liabilities, nor
do I yet know the full range of alternatives that may be available to avoid such an
outcome. If confirmed, however, it is my intention to work with the Congress to craft
a strategy that satisfies the Departments legal obligations and provides a reasonable path forward for the nations utilities.
Question 10. In the absence of moving forward on Yucca Mountain, are you aware
of any Plan B for disposing of DOEs spent fuel and high-level waste and for meeting DOEs contractual and statutory obligations? If so, what is it and please provide
the Committee with the details of your plan.
Answer. If the Bush Administration has developed such a plan, I am not familiar
with it. However, I do understand that, in the absence of Yucca Mountain, it will
be important to develop alternatives for complying with DOEs statutory and contractual obligations. If confirmed, I will ensure that the necessary work to develop
those alternatives is undertaken, and that it emphasizes the protection of public
health and safety and the environment. I also understand that such alternatives
need to reflect and balance the interests of ratepayers, taxpayers, states, and utilities.
Question 11. If you dont have a Plan B would you agree that it would be irresponsible and imprudent not continuing with the Yucca program, its funding, the
licensing and design, etc.?
Answer. As I have indicated, I do not know if the Bush Administration has developed an alternative plan for spent fuel in the absence of Yucca Mountain, and I
have not developed my own plan. Again, I emphasize that I do believe that the development of alternatives that provide long-term assurance of safe and secure waste
management, based on sound science, will be an important task for the Department
in the absence of the Yucca Mountain option.
Question 12. If confirmed and sworn in as Secretary of Energy, will you unequivocally adhere to and enforce the Nuclear Waste Policy Act, as amended, and the
Yucca Mountain Development Act of 2002.
Answer. If confirmed, I will of course comply with and carry out all my responsibilities under the law, as Secretary of Energy.
Question 13. Do you believe that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission is a
credible technical and scientific regulator of the nations nuclear facilities? Do you
believe that the NRC is best qualified in determining the suitability and safety of
Yucca Mountain as a repository?
Answer. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has significant technical and scientific expertise, which it brings to bear in its role as the primary regulator for commercial nuclear energy facilities. However determining and assuring the suitability
and safety of Yucca Mountain is a responsibility shared among a number of agencies.
Question 14. Do you believe that the U.S. spent fuel and high-level disposal policy
should be guided more by science than by politics?
Answer. I believe that nuclear waste policy should be guided by several criteria.
For example, it certainly should reflect sound science and meet the highest feasible
technical standards. It must also be safe and secure, and ensure the protection of
public health and the environment. Finally, it should reinforce public trust and confidence, and search for workable solutions that take economic and other factors into
consideration.
ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT

Question 15. More than half the DOE budget is dedicated to the Cold War legacy
and the sites that currently have nuclear wastedo you support an aggressive clean
up schedule to clean up and close the remaining sites? Or do you support managing
the waste on site?
Answer. I support a safe and environmentally responsible cleanup program that
meets the commitments DOE makes to its stakeholders, including its regulators. I
understand DOE is moving as expeditiously as possible in its cleanup mission with
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off-site disposal of wastes. I might also note that I am encouraged by recent Stimulus Package proposals that could help shrink the footprint of DOEs clean-up
sites, which I hope would lead eventually to new opportunities for local communities
to re-develop them.
Question 16. If Yucca Mountain does not open what policies will he support to ensure that defense waste is stored safely and securely?
Answer. I believe that DOE has a clear obligation to the states, to the public, and
to Congress to ensure that defense wastes are safely managed. As I stated in my
earlier answers, I do not at this point know what the range of alternatives may be
for fulfilling the Departments responsibilities, but I do understand that, in the absence of Yucca Mountain, it will be important to develop them.
ENERGY INDUSTRY

Question 17. You once said: We want to partner with companies at the very beginning, because the companies can tell us, No, dont go down this pathway. It
wont scale right, or, We know of things that perhaps an academic would not know
about, so we dont go marching down a road and find out, after five, 10 years, no,
this isnt going to be a solution.
What types of partnerships do you intend to build with industry to improve coordination and successfully move technology into the marketplace.
Currently, the Department of Energy has been slow to negotiate and sign Cooperative Research and Development Agreements with independent labs and companies.
Do you support CRDAs and what will you do to improve the process for these agreements to move forward quickly.
Answer. I believe CRDAs have been an important technology transfer tool linking
the government and private sector. In my capacity as Director of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, I have been keenly aware of the issues associated with
these agreementswhat works, what can be improved, how to more effectively manage the different operational cultures of the private and public sectors. Seeking
ways to improve upon these public-private partnerships will be a top priority of
mine if I am confirmed, and that includes examining how the Administration of
these agreements can be improved.
Question 18. What do you think about partnering with the cold war site communities, to build areas of expertise? Allowing communities to develop business interests that are in line with the missions at these sites or use them as energy parks
on the sitesi.e. SRS could be a commercial nuclear site, Los Alamos could be used
for solar, Hanford for geothermal?
Answer. I think that is an interesting proposal, and if confirmed, will review it
further, and would welcome your additional thoughts. American technological leadership rests on the shoulders of the talent of our nations scientists. Exploring ways
to strengthen this resource and deploy that knowledge to achieve national energy
goals is of personal interest to me, and would be among my priorities. I agree with
the President-elect, who believes we need to rely more heavily on the expertise and
resources of our national laboratories in developing and deploying next-generation
energy technologies for the marketplace.
Question 19. Despite all the government money for R&D, it is still dwarfed by the
amount of funding the private sector provides far research. How do you intend to
partner with business and the private sector to improve R&D in the US?
Answer. The President-elect is committed to identifying and implementing ways
to use our federal dollars more wisely and more effectively, and that includes mechanisms for leveraging federal dollars with the private sector. As Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, I have challenged some of the best scientists
to turn their attention to the energy and climate change problem and to bridge the
gap between the mission-oriented science that the Office of Science does so well and
the type of applied research the leads to energy innovation. I have also worked to
partner with academia and industry. I am confident that these efforts are working,
and I want to extend this approach to an even greater extent throughout DOEs network of national science laboratories.
Question 20. Do you believe companies need a predictable time line to transition
from one technology to another in the area of energy generation? How long do you
believe is necessary for a energy utilities to transition from one technology to another, and how much government do you believe is necessary to accomplish that
timeline?
Answer. Yes, I believe that companies can benefit from a predictable timeline in
making such transitions. That is one reason, for example, that the new Administration hopes to work collaboratively with Congress in developing a set of emissionsreduction goals and schedules. In that way, utilities and businesses can make long-

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term investment plans based on the need for more energy efficient technologies that
emit fewer greenhouse gases. Obviously, other factors, including some that are difficult to predictsuch as energy and materials costs and the pace of technological
innovationwill always complicate transition planning, regardless of the role of government. If confirmed, I hope to lend by experience as a scientist and lab director
to the discussions about policy, timing, science, and economics that lie ahead as we
undertake a historic transformation to a cleaner, more sustainable energy future.
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QUESTIONS FROM SENATOR MARTINEZ

Question 1. I am a strong proponent of nuclear power. My state of Florida will

potentially build three new reactors that will provide hundreds of thousands of
households with clean, reliable, and emissions-free power. As the former director of
a prestigious national lab, what types of research priorities remain to help truly facilitate a nuclear renaissance and what do you plan to do to ensure that it becomes
a reality?
Answer. Today, nuclear power accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, and more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon electricity generation. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPAct) provides new incentives for nuclear power, and
there has been a resurgence of applications to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
to build new nuclear power plants. If confirmed, I pledge to work to encourage the
development and deployment of all low-carbon sources, including nuclear, to support
innovative research in advanced technology and processes, and to provide more effective management of the loan guarantee program provided in EPAct.
Question 2. Along those lines, what types of regulatory or bureaucratic hurdles
do we need to eliminate to bring nuclear power on-line in a safe manner? I ask this
because the Nuclear Regulatory Commission estimates that its best case scenario
for successful review of a new license application is roughly three and a half years.
Answer. At this point in time, I am not in a position to render judgments about
the Nuclear Regulatory Commissions license review process. However, if confirmed,
I do expect to examine the technical factors that affect both the timelines and cost
structure of siting, building, and licensing of new nuclear plants. In addition, as
stated above, I will ensure that the nuclear loan guarantee program is supported
with the necessary resources and management attention.
Question 3. Florida ratepayers have spent over $1.2 billion to send stored spent
fuel to Yucca Mountain. Where do you stand on this issue? On January 5, 2009,
Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a release stating, (the) President-elect reiterated his promise to work with me to prevent the dump from ever being built. The
first step is to make even deeper budget cuts this year than I have already been
able to make in the past. Yucca Mountain was a dangerous proposition from the
start and T am very pleased that President-elect Obama shares my commitment to
come up with a more responsible solution to our nations nuclear waste challenges.
Do you share those sentiments? If so, what solutions would you suggest in storing
spent fuel in addition to honoring the obligations required by law under the Nuclear
Waste Policy Act?
Answer. President-elect Obama has stated that he does not believe that Yucca
Mountain is a workable option for the permanent disposal of spent fuel. At the same
time, he understands the concerns about some current storage arrangements for the
waste.
Fortunately, the NRC has affirmed the safety of dry cask storage, but I believe
DOE should support research into additional means for assuring the long-term, safe,
and cost-effective transportation and storage of waste, as well as into proliferationresistant techniques for waste reduction. I also recognize that DOE has ongoing
statutory obligations with respect to spent fuel. If confirmed, I will work with Congress and other members of the Administration to ensure the development of safe,
long-term waste management solutions.
Question 4. As you well know, we had a very difficult time getting the Title 17
Loan Guarantee Program up and running at DOE which was authorized in the 2005
Energy Policy Act. I believe it took over 2 years to get DOE to simply offer the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for the loan guarantee program.
Answer. Today, nuclear power accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, and more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon electricity generation. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPAct) provides new incentives for nuclear power, and
there has been a resurgence of applications to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
to build new nuclear power plants. If confirmed, I pledge to work to encourage the
development and deployment of all low-carbon sources, including nuclear, to support
innovative research in advanced technology and processes, and to provide more effective management of the loan guarantee program provided in EPAct. As far as ex-

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panding nuclear incentives, I think it will be important first to get this first package
of incentives implemented. I know that there are still economic, market and regulatory uncertainties regarding new nuclear plants, which I hope can be clarified in
the course of licensing the first several new plants
Question 5. Last Congress I joined a bipartisan effort with members of this Committee in introducing the Clean Energy Investment B& legislation. This bill would
have created a new financing authority similar to the Export-Import Bank. This
concept has been embraced by many groups including the Institute for 2 1 Century
Energy. According to the Electric Power Research Institute and other industry estimates, the US will need massive investments in new power generation to meet
growing demand requiring $350 billion over the next 15 years. Private institutions
are reluctant to take on significant, long-term debt for new alternative energy
projects. What are your thoughts about finding new financing avenues for alternative energy projects?
Answer. I believe that we need a range of approaches to stimulate research, development and deployment of clean energy technologies. Certainly, the loan guarantee
program represents one important opportunity to advance the state of renewable energy technologies and to stimulate investor interest in them. If confirmed, I will ensure that the DOE loan guarantee program is managed in a way that treats the
development of such technologies as a priority.
Question 6. Do you support long-term extensions of the renewable production tax
credits?
Answer. President-Elect Obama has put forward aggressive but achievable goals
for renewable electricity production, and a set of policies to help achieve them. One
of these policies is an extension of the production tax credit for renewables. I look
forward to working with Congress and others in the Administration in support of
this policy.
Question 7. You have been quoted in several news publications regarding speeches
you have given where you state, coal is my worst nightmare. Can you elaborate
on what you meant from those speeches so we can get an idea of where you stand
on coal-fired generation? Coal provides over 50% of our nations power and DOE has
a significant fossil research budget, as well as R&D efforts for clean coal power generation. It would be helpful to know where you stand so that your comments are
not being taken out of context by media reports.
Answer. I share President-elect Obamas view that we need to aggressively pursue
carbon capture and storage technology. Were going to need this technology here in
the United States, and its going to be needed in China, India and elsewhere around
the world. Both the President-elect and I agree that coal is a vital energy resource
for our country. As you know coal currently provides fifty percent of our electricity,
and we have enormous coal reserves that can provide power long into the future.
At the same time, coal-fired power plants are the largest contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and a growing source of global emissions. Thats why, if confirmed, I plan to lead DOE forward on CCS technology as swiftly and as effectively
as possible.
Question 8. You were quoted in December 12th Washington Post article where you
stated that electricity prices were anomalously low in the United States. Power
bills have been going up all over my state to pay for the increases in fuel prices,
and new utility infrastructure. Do you really believe electricity prices are too low
in the U.S., and if so, what should our constituents be paying?
Answer. As I noted during the confirmation hearing, my goal is to reduce the
amount that American families pay to heat, cool and light their homes. I think there
are many ways that we can do that, particularly through policies that promote deployment of energy efficient technologies.
Question 9. In your new role as Secretary what is your vision for the Office of
Science and what would you pursue with President-elect Obama to enhance our nations competitiveness in math and sciences?
Answer. I strongly believe that regaining U.S. preeminence in science and technology is critical to our future economic growth and prosperity. It will be one of my
highest priorities as Secretary to strengthen the Office of Science during my tenure
to better achieve this goal.
Question 10. You have been very involved at Berkeley National Lab on research
and development of second generation biofuels. Florida has a great deal of potential
in this arena with biomass and cellulosic ethanolwhat steps do we need to take
to ensure that DOE is leading the way in cutting edge alternative fuels?
Answer. I am optimistic about biofuels because, as you note, I have been very actively assessing their potential as Director of LBNL. Advances in biofuels, including
cellulosic ethanol, biobutenol and other new technologies that produce synthetic petroleum from sustainable feedstocks offer tremendous potential to break our addic-

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tion to oil. DOE has a major role to play as the premier sponsor of research on renewable energy in the U.S. If confirmed, it will be my goal to make these programs
not just bigger, but more effective in harnessing the scientific talent we have across
the country to develop energy solutions and help get them into the marketplace
more quickly.
Question 11. In that same vein, what policies would you embrace to make that
a reality? I believe it is time to remove the foreign ethanol tariff, which is acting
as a trade distorting subsidy and denying coastal states like Florida the ability to
develop ethanol infrastructure. Since there are no pipelines to transport ethanol
from the Midwest to Miami, how else will the infrastructure get there?
Answer. President-elect Obamas energy proposals include a number of policies
and measures to help develop next generation biofuels that can be produced in all
regions of the country, including research funding for cellulosic and other advanced
biofuels; incentives to expand ethanol infrastructure; incentives to encourage the
commercialization of advanced biofuels technologies; and a national low-carbon fuel
standard to spur low-carbon fuels. If confirmed, I will work to implement these
policies, and will assist the President-elect in reviewing current biofuels policies
across the board in order to ensure that we have an effective set of policies in place.
Question 12. In a December 2008, a Washington Post article you were quoted in
saying that we need to build a new kind of photosynthesis to help catalyze the
development of second generation biofuels. Are you referring to algae-derived fuels?
If so, it is my understanding that these types of fuels do not qualify for advanced
biofuel tax credits. Should this be remedied?
Answer. Algae-derived fuels are but one of many potential sources of clean, secure, economic biofuels we expect to be available in coming years. Certainly, if confirmed, I will work with Congress and others in the Administration to ensure that
we address all aspects of research, development, and distribution of energy supplies
in a way that promotes economic growth and an improved environment, within the
U. S. and around the world.
Question 13. Your testimony stated that you support the Obama Administrations
approach in dealing with climate change via a cap and bade system to regulate
greenhouse gas emissions. When do you anticipate this plan or approach will be released by the President-elect? Do you anticipate that it will be placed on hold given
our nations current economic difficulties?
Answer. The President-elect has made it clear that turning the economy around
and putting people back to work is his highest priority. At the same time, he continues to believe that energy and climate change are pressing problems that need
to be addressed, and he has rejected the idea of waiting to pursue solutions to them.
Many of the programs being discussed for inclusion in the economic stimulus package are designed not only to produce jobs and economic activity, but also to advance
an energy system with lower greenhouse gas emissions. The details of a climate
plan are yet to be developed by the incoming Administration, and many of the people who will help lead that discussion are not yet in place, so it is difficult to predict
the timing of any new climate initiatives or proposals.
Question 14. In your testimony you mentioned that the President-elect supports
responsible development of domestic oil and natural gas. Many of us on the Committee are anxious to learn what that exactly means. As a Senator from a coastal
state, do you expect him to push for more oil and gas leasing in the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS)? Will he reinstate the Presidential moratoria in the OCS?
Answer. President-elect Obama supports increased domestic exploration and production in many places, including in the OCS, provided that it is done responsibly.
Several years ago, Congress opened new areas in the Gulf of Mexico, where exploration is underway. President-elect Obama has said that he is open to a limited expansion of OCS drilling as part of a comprehensive energy proposal that includes
accelerated renewable energy development and greater investment in energy efficiency. If confirmed, I pledge to work with you, other members of Congress and
other members of the Administration to enact comprehensive energy legislation
along these lines.
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QUESTIONS FROM SENATOR MURKOWSKI

Question 1. Dr. Chu, here in the Energy Committee, we take pride in the good
working relationship between the majority and minority, both Senators and our
staff. If confirmed, will you pledge to cooperate in this type of a working relationship
with all Senators on this Committee, Democrat or Republicanby promptly responding to any written or phone inquiries, sharing information as soon as it becomes availableand directing your staff to do the same?

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Answer. The Committees reputation for collegiality is well known. If confirmed,
I certainly plan to work cooperatively with all the Senators on the Committee. In
that spirit, I will be as timely as I possibly can be in responding to requests and
in providing information to you and your colleagues.
OIL AND GAS

Question 1a. In what circumstances do you believe it is appropriate to release oil

supplies from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR)? Do you believe SPR actions
should be tied to the price of oil?
Answer. It is my understanding that releases of SPR oil are triggered by a presidential finding of an energy emergency, meaning a severe supply interruption. Generally, oil prices are not, in the absence of a physical supply interruption, considered
to be sufficient grounds to meet the requirements of the statute regarding a release.
Question 1b. Do you believe the contents of SPR should he diversified to include
not only unrefined oil but also finished products?
Answer. While I am not sufficiently versed in all the ramifications of adding these
components to the SPR, if confirmed, I would note that, as currently administered,
the SPR facilities are not configured in a way that lends itself to storing refined
products.
Question 1c. If confirmed as Energy Secretary, would you seek to fill the reserve
to the 1 billion barrel capacity?
Answer. President-Elect Obama believes that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is
a critical tool to deal with disruptions in oil supplies. The timing and amounts of
additional SPR purchases are issues that will requireand receivecareful review
if I am confirmed. The prohibition against purchasing SPR oil has expired and, with
oil prices heading down, it may be advantageous to consider making additional purchases in 2009.
Question 2. What is your position on the imposition of a Windfall Profit Tax on
oil companies?
Answer. I support the President-elects position that with oil prices at current levels, and possibly falling further, such a tax would not be appropriate.
Question 3. According to the Wall Street Journal, you recently expressed support
for a higher gas tax that would eventually put the price of gasoline in America on
par with European levels. As Secretary of Energy, do you plan to encourage increases in the federal gas tax? If so, would you seek to keep them revenue neutral
by reducing other taxes by equivalent amounts?
Answer. I recognize that last years spike in gasoline prices caused economic hardship for many American families. In addition, we are sending hundreds of billions
of dollars overseas each year to purchase imported oil, which is harmful to our economy. To deal with all of these challenges, we need a comprehensive, long-term strategy. President-elect Obama has put forward just such a strategya comprehensive
energy and climate change policy that will hasten the development of alternative
fuels and efficient, advanced vehicle technologies. The President-elect does not support, and neither do I, raising federal gasoline taxes as an energy policy. Instead,
we need a much broader-based approach to transforming Americas energy future,
and, if confirmed, I hope to be actively engaged in working with you and your colleagues in forging such a policy.
Question 4. Do you support efforts to establish gasoline price gouging as a federal
crime?
Answer. This is likely a more appropriate issue for the Federal Trade Commission. I am not currently sufficiently familiar with the issue to make a specific commitment at this time; I will be pleased to work with you and the other members
of the Committee to determine the appropriate approach, if confirmed.
Question 5. Do you support or oppose efforts to authorize the Department of Justice to sue the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries?
Answer. I am generally aware of legislation that has been proposed in this regard,
but I am not currently sufficiently familiar with the issue to make a specific commitment at this time. However, I believe that it is likely that the new Administration will want to review the various legal, foreign policy, economic, and energy dimensions of that issue before developing a position on such legislation.
Question 6. Do you support the expansion of existing oil refineries and/or the construction of new facilities?
Answer. I am not yet in a position to determine what new refining capacity may
be needed, or where, although I certainly understand that maintaining a robust
American refining sector is critically important to maintaining stability in energy
markets. With oil demand projected to continue falling this year, and with profit
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tional capacity in the near future. However, as economic recovery takes holdhopefully later this yearit will be important to monitor the need for new refining capacity. If confirmed, I will make sure that the Department of Energy does its job
in that regard.
Question 7. As you know, in 2008 the price of oil was marked by extreme volatility. Many experts attributed these price movements to supply and demand factors
such as geopolitical uncertainty and the growth of developing nations. Others believed excessive speculation by institutional investors drove oil prices. What is your
position on the issue?
Answer. As you have noted, there are many factors that affect the price of oil,
and I think it is clear that speculation has played a role. President-elect Obama has
proposed addressing this issue through a series of steps, including fully closing the
so-called Enron loophole that protects some electronic trading in energy futures
from Federal oversight.
COAL

Question 1. Coal currently supplies 50% of our nations electricity supply and is
an abundant, inexpensive domestic resource. What role do you see for coal in the
nations energy mix in the future? Compared to commercial-scale carbon capture
and sequestration, how important are incremental efficiency improvements within
the existing coal fleet?
Answer. Coal is a vital energy resource for our country. As you note, coal currently provides 50 percent of our electricity, and we have enormous coal reserves
that can provide power long into the future. At the same time, coal-fired power
plants are the largest contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and a growing
source of global emissions. Thats why I share President-elect Obamas view that we
need to aggressively pursue carbon capture and storage technology. Were going to
need this technology here in the United States, and its going to be needed in China,
India and elsewhere around the world. I know that the Committee has taken a
strong interest in CCS, and I look forward, if confirmed, to leading the Department
in the effort to develop new, cleaner technology for both new and existing plants.
In addition to developing effective new technologies designed for new plants, I believe that cost-effective improvements can and should be made to the existing fleet.
The pace of those technology improvements is hard to predict, but, if confirmed, I
look forward to working with this committee and Congress as a whole to move forward on CCS technology as swiftly as possible.
Question 2. As you know, the Energy Department has restructured the
FutureGen project, which had been slated for the construction of a single plant
in Illinois, to instead focus on carbon capture and sequestration at several sites. Do
you support that decision or do you intend to reverse it?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of the Bush Administrations decisionmaking with respect to the FutureGen program. If confirmed, I will undertake a
thorough review of the program, and do whatever I can to ensure that DOE moves
forward in collaboratively testing the variety of technologies that hold promise for
cleaner-burning coal plants. More broadly, I believe that it must be a top priority
of the Department to accelerate research and development of a range of carbon capture and storage technologies.
Question 3. Twenty-three of the 25 power plants with the lowest operating costs
in the United States utilize coal as their primary feedstock. In a carbon-constrained
future, how can we alleviate the additional costs associated with carbon capture and
sequestration?
Answer. I believe that a cap-and-trade program, which President-elect Obama has
endorsed, and carbon capture and sequestration technologies, which he also supports, are complimentary. As the President-elect has said, we must rapidly develop
the technologies that will enable us to use our vast coal reserves in more efficient
and environmentally benign ways. A cap-and-trade program can provide incentives
to move in this direction. By combining the use of such technologies with new policies to develop renewable energy sources and to cut energy waste, we can achieve
our energy and climate goals. And we can do so using market-based systems that
do not impose costly burdens on consumers and businesses.
Question 4. In terms of federal assistance for the advancement of carbon capture
and sequestration, what volume of carbon dioxide sequestered annually do you believe is sufficient to prove whether or not the technology is safe, reliable, and costeffective? What funding structure do you envision for such a task?
Answer. Carbon capture and storage technologies hold enormous potential to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions as we power our economy with domestically produced and secure energy. We must work to ensure that clean coal technology be-

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comes commercialized. If confirmed, I will be closely reviewing all of DOEs activities in this area and working to identify how we can accelerate the research, development and deployment of clean coal technology in a safe, reliable and cost-effective
manner. Until I am able to conduct that kind of review, however, it is not possible
for me to be more specific regarding exact sequestration goals, but clearly it will be
important to develop a set of metrics by which to judge the cost-effectiveness of such
investments. If confirmed, I will look forward to having your input in that important
effort.
Question 5. Assuming that carbon capture and sequestration is proven safe, reliable and cost-effective, do you see a role for the Secretary of Energy in streamlining
the federal permitting process?
Answer. If confirmed, I will certainly support the coordination I understand is already underway with EPA to develop rules and standards for underground sequestration of carbon dioxide, using the results generated from the various Regional Carbon Sequestration Partnership projects. Establishing regulatory certainty is key to
advancing the commercial application of these technologies.
RENEWABLES

Question 1. As we seek to increase the use of renewable energy and reduce greenhouse gas emissions, it is important to differentiate between sources that can provide baseload power and those which cannot. What do you believe are the challenges
and opportunities associated with using baseload and intermittent power sources n
combination with one another?
Answer. Transmission challenges will need to be addressed, including issues related to siting and cost allocation of new transmission lines to access the Nations
best renewable resources. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in
need of investment and modernization. The key to integration of intermittent power
sources with baseload lies in advanced technologies. President-elect Obama has put
forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century energy requirements. Done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in greatly improved electric grid reliability and security, increased renewable generation and greater customer choice and energy affordability.
Question 2. In transitioning to an increased role for renewables, what steps should
be taken to address the energy storage and transmission concerns that accompany
such a shift? Also, what role do you see for coal with carbon sequestration and nuclear in terms of ensuring electric reliability at times when the wind may not be
blowing or the sun may not be shining?
Answer. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in need of investment and modernization. The key to integration of intermittent power sources with
baseload lies in advanced technologies. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st
century energy requirements. Coal is a vital energy resource for our country. Coal
currently provides fifty percent of our electricity, and we have enormous coal reserves that can provide power long into the future. Coal-fired generation with carbon sequestration will be needed for some time to come as a contributor to our baseload production, as will nuclear.
Question 3. There have been some legislative proposals to require the build-out
of transmission to move only renewable sources of electricity. In general, is it advisable, or even feasible, to mandate a transmission line to carry only renewable resources? Given the capacity factor issues, shouldnt the construction of facilities
needed to deliver wind power also be available to deliver back-up power and move
other electricity resources when the wind is not blowing?
Answer. Building new transmission lines is a key component of the effort to utilize our renewable resources, and striking the right balance among local, state and
federal needs and interests is critically important. Clearly, our transmission and
distribution system is aging and in need of investment and modernization. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced
technologies to accommodate 21st century energy requirement. Done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in greatly improved electric grid reliability
and security, increased renewable generation and greater customer choice and energy affordability. To the greatest extent practicable, new transmission infrastructure should be configured so as to maximize the efficiency of the lines so that costs
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reviewing all of DOEs efforts in this area and working with you on this important
issue.
Question 4. Do you support a one-size-fits-all national Renewable Electricity
Standard (RES) or does it make more sense to take a states individual renewable
resources into account when establishing targets and timetables? Do you agree that
one of the goals of any RES should be the promotion of emission-free sources of
power?
Answer. President-elect Obama has put forward aggressive but achievable goals
for renewable electricity production, and a set of policies to achieve them. These
policies include a national RPS, as well as an extension of the production tax credit
for renewables, a cap on carbon emissions, increased R&D for renewables, and support for loan guarantee programs to accelerate deployment of renewables. I believe
these policies will have enormous benefits in terms of both reduced greenhouse gas
emissions and improved human health due to reduced NOX, SOX and mercury pollutions.
NUCLEAR ENERGY

Question 1. In June 2008, after more than 20 years of review, and with the recommendation of both Congressional chambers, the Department of Energy submitted
a construction and operation license to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for the
Yucca Mountain spent nuclear fuel repository. That independent regulatory agency
is now tasked with evaluating the proposal and establishing the safety of the repository. Do you support the full and adequate funding of the Yucca Mountain license
review? In your opinion, what is an appropriate window for the program to demonstrate proof of compliance with EPA standards?
Answer. The Nuclear Regulatory Commissions review of the Yucca Mountain License Application is proceeding under the Nuclear Waste Policy Act. If confirmed
as Secretary, I will work with Congress and other members of the Administration
to find safe, long-term solutions for spent nuclear fuel that meet our legal obligations, maintain nuclear power as part of our energy mix, and provide a secure disposal path based on the best scientific analysis. The issue of funding for the NRCs
license review will of course have to be developed in the context of the larger set
of budget decisions facing the new Administration. It will also have to reflect the
President-Elects position that Yucca Mountain is not an option as a disposal site
for spent fuel.
Question 2. Please describe the measures you believe the next Administration
should take to increase the use of emission-free nuclear power.
Answer. Today, nuclear power accounts for 20 percent of U.S. electricity generation, and more than 70 percent of U.S. zero-carbon electricity generation. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPAct) provides new incentives for nuclear power, and
there has been a resurgence of applications to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
to build new nuclear power plants. If confirmed, I pledge to work to encourage the
development and deployment of all low-carbon sources, including nuclear, to support
innovative research in advanced technology and processes, and to provide more effective management of the loan guarantee program provided in EPAct.
Question 3. What role do you believe the U.S. has in establishing a sustainable
and secure international nuclear energy infrastructure?
Answer. Since the advent of nuclear power, the U.S. has been a leader in the
peaceful uses of nuclear power, beginning with the Atoms for Peace program begun
in the 1950s under President Eisenhower. If confirmed, I pledge to work with Congress and with others in the Administration to continue to work through a number
of international and bilateral arrangements to promote policies and practices that
provide security, promote affordable, sustainable energy supplies, address long-term
high-level radioactive waste management and disposition, and protect against proliferation.
Question 4. Recently a group of scientists from MIT and Harvard released a discussion paper promoting the use of nuclear power in the next administration. The
discussion paper highlighted several obvious issues that need to be addressed, such
as concerns over proliferation; spent fuel; and continued safe operations. This group
also identified the large size (1,000-1,600 MW) of our existing technology and capital
costs as a potential concern. In my opinion, there are regions of the country and
around the world where demand is strong enough and rate bases are large enough
to support our next generation of large reactor technology. But what this paper appears to ignore are a series of small, scalable, modular nuclear electric power plants
which are currently under development which have significant potential to serve as
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actor designs. What steps can Congress and the Administration take to help move
this technology along?
Answer. President-elect Obama has said repeatedly that he understands the contribution that nuclear energy makes to our economy. The Energy Policy Act of 2005
provides a number of incentives for nuclear power. One of the best things we can
do is work to effectively implement those incentives, including the loan guarantee
program and focused research efforts, especially on improved recycling and proliferation-resistant technologies.
ELECTRICITY

Question 1. We all support increasing the use of renewable energy but we must
build more transmission capacity in order to move location-restrained renewable resources to load. The Committee has recognized siting issues as one of the largest
impediments to building more transmission. In the Energy Policy Act of 2005, Congress tried to address this problem by directing DOE to establish Transmission Corridors in congested areas and providing the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
with limited back-stop siting authority. Io date, however, not a single line of transmission has been sited pursuant to these EPAct authorities. Did Congress go far
enough in the 2005 energy bill or is greater federal siting authority needed?
Answer. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in need of investment and modernization. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century energy
requirement. Done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in greatly
improved electric grid reliability and security, increased renewable generation and
greater customer choice and energy affordability.
Siting new transmission lines is a key component of this effort, and striking the
right balance between local, state and federal authorities and interests is paramount. I am aware that many miles of transmission facilities have been sited successfully in the U.S. without having to resort to the EPAct authorities you reference
in the question. That said, there are also examples of facilities that appear to be
needed but that are not moving forward due to siting barriers. At this point, I do
not have a view on the balance struck in EPAct, but if confirmed, I look forward
to thoroughly reviewing this critical issue and working with you on it.
Question 2. One of the most promising developments that can improve the efficiency and performance of the electric grid is the so-called Smart Grid technology.
In the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, Congress authorized funding to
support Smart Grid technology research, development, and demonstration, along
with other Smart Grid-related investment costs. To date, these programs have not
been funded but they may receive federal dollars in the economic stimulus package
now under development. Do you support funding for these programs, and do believe
these and other Smart Grid programs should be a priority at the Department?
Answer. Yes. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in need of
investment and modernization. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to
stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering,
distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century
energy requirement. Done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in
greatly improved electric grid reliability and security, increased renewable generation and greater customer choice and energy affordability. If confirmed, I look forward to thoroughly reviewing all of DOEs efforts in this area and working with you
on this important issue.
Question 3. In the 2007 energy bill, Congress tasked the National Institute of
Standards and Technology (NIST) with developing a framework that includes protocols and model standards for information management to achieve the interoperability of smart grid devices and systems. In your opinion, is NlST the appropriate
entity to undertake this work or should Congress direct the Energy Department or
the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to develop a Smart Grid interoperability
framework?
Answer. Standards are critical to development of smart grid technology. If confirmed, I will be proactive in pushing industry to come together to accelerate development of standards, and will examine the question of roles for NIST and other entities in that process.
Question 4. There are a number of regional transmission planning efforts currently underway. Should we instead focus on a national model for transmission
plans?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of the regional transmission planning
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and planning processes that exist around the country, particularly in the East
versus the West. Nonetheless, I believe it is important that we develop a national
model with input from all stakeholders.
Question 5. What role do you see for the Energy Department in addressing cyber
security threats to the electricity industry? Is additional federal authority in this
area needed?
Answer. I understand that DOE has a public-private partnership that has been
working to improve cyber security in the electronic systems that control the flow of
electric energy in the United States. I do not have a view at this time about whether
additional authority is needed, but if confirmed I would be pleased to work with you
and other Members of the Committee on this important issue.
PROJECT FINANCING

Question 1. Alternative energy companies have an incredibly difficult time securing the financing necessary to become viable and productive. DOES Loan Guarantee program, established by the 2005 Energy Policy Act, has proven woefully inadequate for addressing this problem thus far. How would you improve the administration of this program?
Answer. I share your concern that we have no time to lose in making these programs work as Congress intended, and, if confirmed, I will certainly take a close
look at how they are working. In light of the current tough economic climate and
credit crunch, we know that these loan guarantees are critical. I understand that
DOE currently has before it several proposals for renewable projects and other types
of technologies and is expecting to receive another set of proposals in the near future. If I am confirmed, I will work with you to ensure that we make the program
effective and prudent.
Question 2. Several pieces of legislation were introduced last Congress to create
a self-funding federal hank to assist start-up, clean energy companies. As envisioned
by those bills, such an entity would be able to issue not only loan guarantees, but
direct loans and insurance products as well. Additionally, this federal bank would,
in some instances, be allowed to assume a financial stake in clean energy technology
firms and issue publicly-traded stock. Do you believe it is appropriate for the federal
government to back start-up, clean energy technology firms in this manner?
Answer. I believe that we need a range of approaches to stimulate research, development and deployment of clean energy technologies. I am not familiar with the legislation that you cite, but if confirmed, I look forward to discussing this and other
ideas for encouraging greater investment in new energy technology and infrastructure.
CLIMATE CHANGE

Question 1. How do you see a cap and trade market being designed? Do you support a cost containment mechanism? Do you support the inclusion of off-sets and,
if so, what eligibility criteria do you believe should apply to those projects? Should
property rights be extended to the holder of permits-to-emit under a cap and trade
program?
Answer. President-elect Obama has proposed a cap-and-trade program to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions, but the details of that program will not be developed
until after the new Administration takes office. At that time, the issues of environmental targets and timetables, cost containment, offsets, linkages to other nations
commitments, and the many other program elements and options will be fully examined. The President-elect has said that he plans to work with Congress to develop
an effective, bi-partisan program.
Question 2. What role do you see the Department of Energy playing in the administration of a cap and trade program, if enacted?
Answer. President-elect Obama has proposed a cap-and-trade program to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions, but the details of that program will not be developed
until after the new Administration takes office. One of the most promising ways to
meet both our climate change and energy goals without harming consumers is to
develop the next generation of technologies that will enable us to transform the way
we produce and use energy in America. If confirmed, I look forward to helping to
lead that effort.
Question 3. Many areas of the United States, and the world, are already experiencing climatic change. How important do you believe adaptation will be, in terms
of dealing with the issue of climate change in the very near future and going forward?
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that additional warming is built into the system, and therefore adaptation will also
be important, especially in the Arctic and other areas that are feeling dramatic effects sooner.
Question 4. At least weeks hearing on energy security, we discussed the imposition of a carbon tax as a straight-forward and transparent option in our efforts to
combat climate change. Last year, the now-nominee for the Office of Management
and Budget testified as Director of the Congressional Budget Office that a carbon
tax could be as much as five times more efficient than a stringent cap and trade
program. What are your thoughts on a carbon tax in lieu of a cap and trade program?
Answer. President-elect Obama has stated his preference for a cap-and-trade system, which has several advantages over a carbon tax. Advantages of a cap-and-trade
system include more certainty about achieving the desired level of greenhouse gas
reductions, and the possibility of linkages between domestic and international capand-trade systems.
Question 5. A desire to transition away from our current energy mix and towards
lower carbon energy sources, while incredibly important, is also very expensive. If
confirmed, what level of coordination do you intend to pursue on climate change
matters with the National Economic Council?
Answer. I expect that the National Economic Council will be a close partner of
the Department of Energy and other agencies in the Administrations work on energy and climate change issues.
ENERGY EFFICIENCY

Question 1. In the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, Congress mandated the phase-out of traditional incandescent lights over the next few years. Are
we on track to meet this requirement? Will consumers continue to have multiple
product choices, including energy-saving halogen, energy efficiency incandescent,
compact fluorescent, and Light Emitting Diodes?
Answer. The Energy Independence and Security Act was important bipartisan legislation and we must implement it aggressively. If confirmed I will make it a priority to review how the Department has been working to implement this important
legislation and ensure that its mandates are met, including the phase-out of traditional incandescent lights over the next few years. At the same time, I believe that
its important for consumers to have a range of choices, and thats something that
I will keep in mind if I am confirmed as Secretary and am charged with implementing this program.
Question 2. It would seem that more output from the same amount of fuel input
is a win-win for the environment, the consumer, and the success of companies that
operate electric power generation facilities across the country. And yet, these efficiency improvements are consistently not undertaken. What, specifically, gets in the
way of incremental efficiency improvements at power generation plants in the existing fleet? What can this Congress do to remedy such a shortcoming?
Answer. Energy efficiency is the cheapest energy resource that we have. It will
be a high priority for me if I am confirmed. I look forward to working with Congress
to improve energy efficiency in existing power generation plants and throughout our
whole economy.
Question 3. With so much energy-savings potential in Light Emitting Diodes
(LEDs), what will you do as Energy Secretary to promote the use of LEDs in the
market place?
Answer. Energy efficiency is the cheapest energy resource that we have. It will
be a high priority for me if I am confirmed. We will start with the federal government, which is the worlds largest single consumer of energy. The administration
will make the federal government a leader in the green building market, including
in the procurement of LED technology. By taking these and other steps, we can help
restore federal leadership on energy efficiency and promote the use of more energy
efficient lighting technology in the marketplace.
Question 4. What will you do to ensure that energy-efficiency product standards
for appliance and commercial equipment are promulgated in a timely manner? Does
the Department require additional resources in order to meet its statutory deadlines
and requirements?
Answer. President-elect Obama has made strong commitments to improving the
energy efficiency in the economy over the long term. Clearly one of the most important means for achieving these goals is through appliance efficiency standards, yet
the Department of Energy has missed many deadlines. If confirmed, I will place a
high priority on reviewing this program, including its budget, and ensuring that we
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RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT

Question 1. Many of us would like to see the development of a robust, domestic

manufacturing base for batteries and other energy storage devices. Do you believe
it is important that the raw materials needed for those batteries to come from within the United States as well? In what ways do you think the Energy Departments
existing research and development programs related to battery research can be improved?
Answer. Electric energy storage and innovative battery technologies are keys to
transforming the transportation sector, not only in the U.S., but also potentially
worldwide. I believe that DOE should play a lead role in research and development,
with the goal of restoring U.S. leadership in this critical technology. More broadly,
the federal government can also play an important role by providing an early market for advanced batteries and plug-in hybrid vehicles. If confirmed, I look forward
to working with you on this vital issue.
Question 2. Since the end of the Cold War, increased operational costs and changing national priorities have resulted in budget pressures and competition between
the national laboratories for resources and programs. As Secretary of Energy, how
would you promote the most efficient utilization of not just the Office of Science laboratories, but also the weapons and energy technology laboratories, to meet our
evolving national and energy security needs? How would you re-engage the historical partnership between the laboratory system and university and private industry?
Answer. As director of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory I have been absolutely committed to challenging our best scientists there and in the private sector
to work across the innovation spectrum from idea to application to product. If confirmed, as Secretary of Energy I will push all of the Departments 17 national laboratories to keep their eyes on the ball, to deliver solutions fast, and I will work
diligently with members of this Committee and others in Congress to secure the
funds these scientists need not only to pursue innovative science but also to support
and train the graduate and post-doc students who represent our future prosperity
and success.
Question 3. DOE has for years, frequently in partnership with the private sector,
completed many successful and important demonstration projects that have often
reached commercialization. In your opinion, what is the most effective way to coordinate demonstrate, deploy and commercialize in order to optimize the results of
DOES RD&D activities?
Answer. As Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, I have challenged some of the best scientists to turn their attention to the energy and climate
change problem and to bridge the gap between the mission-oriented science that the
Office of Science does so well and the type of applied research the leads to energy
innovation. I have also worked to partner with academia and industry. I am confident that these efforts are working, and I want to extend this approach to an even
greater extent throughout DOEs network of national science laboratories.
Question 4. Given current technology, it is still extremely expensive to produce
heavy oil such as the oil which is predominantly remaining in Prudhoe Bay in Alaska and other established fields in the Lower 48. Since DOEs forecasts suggest we
will remain dependent on fossil fuels for 79% of our energy needs in 2030, do you
support research funding to produce more of our domestic hydrocarbon resources?
Answer. At present, I am not well-acquainted with the oil and gas research and
development activities at DOE. If I am confirmed, I will undertake a thorough review of the Departments budget, including an examination of these programs.
Question 5. The Energy Department describes current geothermal power generation as the low hanging fruit of geothermal energy potential, and yet the Bush Administration proposed only $30 million for existing geothermal technology for Fiscal
Year 2009. Despite the tremendous potential of traditional geothermal resources, including in my home state of Alaska, more federal dollars are being directed at developing additional geothermal electricity through the new Enhanced Geothermal System (EGS). As Energy Secretary how will you seek to allocate federal dollars between EGS technology and the expansion of existing geothermal resources?
Answer. I believe that geothermal is an extremely promising renewable energy
sources. I do not have a view about the current allocation between geothermal programs and technologies at DOE, but if I am confirmed, I will quickly undertake a
thorough review of the Departments budget, including an examination of this issue.
Question 6. Much of DOES water resources research has been done within the
Office of Science, which focuses on basis research. Do you support more research as
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Answer. If confirmed, I will quickly undertake a thorough review of the Departments budget, including an examination of this program.
Question 7. In Fiscal Year 2008, DOEs Waterpower Program received $10 million
for both conventional hydropower and new marine technologies. As Energy Secretary, how will you allocate federal funding between conventional and non-conventional hydropower resources?
Answer. I have not to date been able to examine in detail the Departments budget at the subprogram level. But I recognize the importance of efficient utilization
of conventional energy resources as well as rapid development and application of advanced systems. If confirmed, I will quickly undertake a thorough review of the Departments budget, including an examination of this program.
Question 8. Do you intend to support continued, or increased, methane hydrate
research if confirmed as the Secretary of Energy?
Answer. Methane hydrates have become a growing source of domestic energy in
recent years. If confirmed, I will quickly undertake a thorough review of the Departments budget, including an examination of this program.
ADVANCED VEHICLES

Question 1. Last week, at a hearing on the energy security challenges facing

America, several of our witnesses commented on the importance of electrifying the
domestic vehicle fleet. Do you agree? What steps would you take to speed the development and deployment of advanced vehicles?
Answer. Electric energy storage and innovative battery technologies are keys to
transforming the transportation sector, not only in the U.S., but also potentially
worldwide. I believe that DOE should play a lead role in research and development,
with the goal of restoring U.S. leadership in this critical technology. More broadly,
the federal government can also play an important role by providing an early market for advanced batteries and plug-in hybrid vehicles. If confirmed, I look forward
to working with you on this vital issue.
RENEWABLE FUELS STANDARD

Question 2. The Renewable Fuels Standard mandated by Congress in the 2007

Energy Independence and Security Act will require more ethanol than can be used
as an El 0 blendthe fastest and most efficient way to increase the use of ethanol
since it uses the existing infrastructure and existing vehicle fleetbeginning as
soon as 20 1 0. What are your thoughts on how to best overcome this shortfall? Also,
should Congress address the blendwall issue that caps the amount of biofueIs that
may be blended into gasoline at 10%?
Answer. The blendwall is an issue that we need to evaluate. As I understand it,
the EPA is reviewing this issue, but it is something that I am willing to look at,
if confirmed. In addition, President-elect Obamas energy plan includes a number of
policies and measures to help develop next generation biofuels that can be produced
in all regions of the country, including research funding for cellulosic and other advanced biofuels; incentives to expand ethanol infrastructure; incentives to encourage
the commercialization of advanced biofuels technologies; and a national low-carbon
fuel standard to spur low-carbon fuels. If confirmed, I will work to implement these
policies, and will assist the President-elect in reviewing current biofuels policies
across the board in order to ensure that we have an effective set of policies in place.
COMPETITIVENESS

Question 1. In the 110th Congress we passed the America COMPETES Act, which
was based on a report that you contributed to. How well do you believe that law
captures the recommendations included in the report? Do you plan to seek or support additional measures that would strengthen our nations competitiveness?
Answer. The America COMPETES Act reflects many of the recommendations in
the Gathering Storm report. If confirmed, I pledge to work with the Administration
and Congress to implement this law, and am open to discussing other ways in which
we can strengthen the foundations of our long term competitiveness.
Question 2. You have been a strong supporter of an Advanced Research Projects
Agency for Energy. ARPA-E was authorized by America COMPETES, but has not
yet been implemented. What is your vision for this agency and how you think it
should be structured?
Answer. The scope and structure of ARPA-E are broadly defined in both the Gathering Storm report and the America COMPETES Act. If confirmed, I will examine
funding and structure for ARPA-E in the context of a review of the Departments
budget. I believe that we must find ways to move the results of scientific research
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BUDGETING

Question 1. As we face unprecedented budgetary deficits, it is clear that funding

for many programs will be hard to come by. With regard to the Department of Energy, how would your budgetary priorities differ from those of the current administration? Can you identify any areas where the government should increase investment, and any areas where you think it should be spending less money?
Answer. If confirmed, I will quickly undertake a thorough review of the Departments budget to answer the questions that you have posed.
ENERGY BILL

Question 1. Congress has passed two major energy bills in the past four years.
As Secretary of Energy, one of your primary responsibilities would be to oversee the
implementation of the programs authorized by those bills. But it is also expected
that Congress will again consider comprehensive energy legislation in the next few
months. What do you believe will be most important to include in that bill?
Answer. In the broadest sense, future energy legislation should focus on accelerating the development and deployment of renewable energy and energy efficiency,
as well other policies and technologies that increase our energy security and reduce
our greenhouse gas emissions. If confirmed I would look forward to actively participating with the members of the Committee and others in Congress on a wide range
of specific issues as you develop energy legislation. We will also aggressively pursue
implementation of the landmark energy bills signed into law in 2005 and 2007.
DOE ORGANIZATION

Question 1. The former head of Resources for the Future recently said that, Contrary to what everyone thinks, theres very little the Department of Energy can do
to affect the types of fuel the country uses or the amounts they use. Do you agree
with this assessment? Do you intend to re-organize the Department and its agencies, or reorient their missions and focus?
Answer. The work that the Department of Energy has underway to advance the
development of alternative fuels can have a very significant impact on the types of
fuel that Americans use. I think that a good example of this can be found in wind
technologies. The research supported in DOEs laboratories and through DOE financial assistance transactions is critically important. At this time I do not have specific plans to re-organize the Department, but if after confirmation I determine that
is in the best interests of achieving our energy objectives, I would look forward to
discussing this matter further with the Committee and others in Congress.
DOE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT

It has been reported that Congress as a part of the Stimulus Package will provide
immediate funding to EM for its weapons cleanup program. Estimates have ranged
between $800 million to as high as $4 to $6 billion.
Question 1. With this in mind, I would like to know your views on this approach.
In implementing such a program what are your priority projects and where would
you expend any additional funds? Are you following the shovel ready approach?
And how many jobs would you estimate are created on each priority project. In what
time frame will these jobs be on-line?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of the EM programs. However, based
on what I do know, I believe that the EM program could put new funds to work
quickly, creating new jobs.
ALASKA-SPECIFIC

Question 1. An issue of tremendous importance to my home state, Alaska, is the

1002 Area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. If confirmed to be Secretary of Energy, would you support the development of this area, its permanent designation as
wilderness, or leaving its status as it is today?
Answer. President-elect Obama supports increased domestic production in many
places, but has gone on record as being opposed to drilling in ANWR. As you know,
we have more than 68 million acres of offshore areas that are already under lease,
and several years ago, Congress opened new areas in the Gulf of Mexico. Presidentelect Obama has said that he is open to a limited expansion of OCS drilling as part
of a comprehensive energy proposal that includes plans to dramatically speed up the
development of renewable energy and invest in efficiency and other clean energy
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Question 2. My home state of Alaska currently produces a great deal of energy.
In 2001, DOE capitalized on the existence of large fossil fuel reserves in Alaska by
creating a National Energy Technology Lab site there, which works in cooperation
with the University of Alaska, the energy industry and state agencies. It is clear
that additional opportunities exist in terms of Alaskan renewable energy production
and our unique perspective on solving some of the problems associated with climate
change. If confirmed, would you consider an expansion of the Arctic Energy Offices
mission to allow for the advancement of a greater variety of energy resources in
Alaska?
Answer. I enjoyed our discussion about the potential for far greater utilization of
wind, geothermal, wave and other renewable energy resources to provide power to
remote areas in Alaska. With respect to the Arctic Energy Offices mission, I am not
sufficiently familiar with the issue to make a specific commitment at this time.
However, if I am confirmed I will be glad to look examine this issue in more detail
and discuss it with you.
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Question 1. I understand that DOE has struggled to implement loan guarantees

in the past Administration, however it has started to implement direct loans for section 136 and the manufacturing of advanced autos. Similarly to section 136, I recently introduced legislation (S. 224) entitled The Green Jobs and Infrastructure Act
of 2009 to address rising unemployment to try to retool our nations economy towards a cleaner, greener future. Our bill would, among other things, call for the establishment a $50 billion loan program to help manufacturing plants retool and encourage the investment in manufacturing for clean tech products. Our estimates are
that this program would create 250,000 direct manufacturing jobs in the U.S. and
support an additional 725,000 indirect jobs. Do you think we can mimic this structure and policy of direct loans to help aid domestic manufactures to produce various
clean tech products?
Answer. If confirmed, the development of clean energy technologies will be one of
my highest priorities. I believe that we need a range of approaches to stimulate research, development and deployment of clean energy technologies. I am not familiar
with the legislation that you cite, but if confirmed, I look forward to discussing this
and other ideas about how best to encourage investment in domestic manufacturing
of clean energy technology.
Question 2. I understand that DOE is currently reviewing applications for direct
loans under section 136 for the production of advanced technology vehicles. While
the Big 3 automakers are applicants, there are also numerous smaller suppliers who
are leading the way in advanced technologies. These technologies will create the
next generation of vehicles and green jobs. How will DOE dedicate resources to fully
implement this program in order to expedite the next generation of vehicles made
in the U.S.?
Answer. While I have not been briefed in detail on the current status of applications, it is my general understanding that the section 136 provision is intended to
provide opportunities for a range of advanced automotive technology companies. If
confirmed it will be a top priority of mine to ensure that the funds appropriated
by Congress for DOEs auto loan guarantee program will be spent in the fashion
intended and that the program is well managed. I recognize your strong interest in
this program and I look forward to working together on it should I be confirmed.
Question 3. How ambitious should the federal government be in the electrification
of our nations transportation sector? What role will the Department of Energy play
in achieving commercial scale vehicle electrification, and how will it help ensure
that the technologies necessary are developed and produced in the United States?
Answer. Electric energy storage and innovative battery technologies are keys to
transforming the transportation sector, not only in the U.S., but potentially worldwide. I believe that DOE should play a lead role in research and development, with
the goal of restoring U.S. leadership in this critical technology. More broadly, the
federal government can also play an important role by providing an early market
for advanced batteries and plug-in hybrid vehicles, and by providing incentives for
domestic manufacturing. If confirmed, I look forward to working with you on this
vital issue.
Question 4. Given our countrys need for increasing renewable energy generation
to meet our national policy goals of CO2 emissions reductions and becoming more
energy independent, I would like to know your thoughts on supporting an increase
in grant funding for non-profit, governmental utilities to develop renewable energy
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Answer. As you suggest, we must step on the accelerator on renewable energy research, development, and deployment. That includes things like solar, wind, hydrogen, and biomass. DOE has a major role to play, and non-profit governmental utilities can play an important role as well. If confirmed, I would certainly work with
you to explore ways to encourage and incentivize greater renewable energy generation in this sector.
Question 5. Some commentators have cautioned that we cant afford to aggressively address greenhouse gas reductions because there may be too much potential
harm to the economy. Can you speak to the economic consequences of failing to address greenhouse gases? What are the economic opportunities, particularly in the
manufacturing sector, within climate change policy?
Answer. President-elect Obama recognizes that the cost of failure to act on climate change will be large, and could be catastrophic. He also understands that
many of the actions we can take to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce
greenhouse gas emissions will also create jobs. By promoting efficient use of our resources and embracing American ingenuity, President-elect Obama will get America
back to work and make a down-payment on addressing climate change at the same
time. In addition, President-elect Obama plans to make investments in energy efficiency, as well as research, development and deployment of low-carbon energy
sources. Restoring leadership in clean energy technology holds great promise for revitalizing domestic manufacturing, which has been devastated in recent years. So
while we need to ensure that we develop an equitable and effective climate strategy,
I strongly believe that addressing the problem also presents an opportunity to retool
American industry and manufacturing and establish a strong base for future economic prosperity.
Question 6. I am very pleased with your understanding of both basic and applied
research. The DOE Office of Science plays a crucial role in the competitiveness of
this nation and I urge you to continue to support the Office of Science at the highest
level possible. I say this not only because the new Facility for Rae Isotope Beams
(FRIB) has been awarded to Michigan State, but because 1 truly believe that the
future economy of both my state and the Nation will be dependent upon the scientific breakthroughs created through fundamental research and I look forward to
working with you in support of a robust Office of Science budgets. Can you tell me
how you intend to balance the Departments science programs and implement the
planning and construction of the FRIB?
Answer. As director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory I have challenged some of the best scientists there to address our Nations energy and climate
change problems by bridging the gap between the mission-oriented science that the
Office of Science does so well and the applied research that leads to energy innovation and economic vitality. Michigan State University is to be commended for its
successful proposal for the Facility for Rare Isotopes Beams. If confirmed, I will
work with you and other members of Congress to strengthen the Office of Science
as a whole, and to keep this important project moving forward.
Question 7. As you may remember, this chamber and the House passed legislation
that the President signed into law entitled the America COMPETES Act to help
sustain innovation and promote science and engineering. One of the provisions contained in this legislation was an authorization for the establishment of a high risk/
high reward program entitled ARPA-E for energy breakthrough research, and inspired by the highly successful DARPA in the Department of Defense. Can you
elaborate on your vision for ARPA-E and how there may be cooperation/coordination
with other offices such as Science and Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy at
the DOE?
Answer. The scope and structure of ARPA-E are broadly defined in both the Gathering Storm report and the America COMPETES Act. If confirmed, I will examine
funding for ARPA-E in the context of a review of the Departments budget. I am
also open to looking at other ways to provide an environment for the kind of highrisk, high-reward research program envisioned in the ARPA-E concept.
Question 8. One of the most important and complex issues that we will be wrestling with relates to our electricity grid. While we have much discussion on Smart
Grids and investments in modernizing the grid equally important is a discussion
related to the transmission of renewable energy. While I how this is a complex question and there are many stakeholders, I am interested in learning more about your
perspective. A comment was attributed to you stating that you supported the development of a truly interstate electric transmission system. My understanding from
a Wall Street Journal report is that you raised such an idea with Secretary Bodman
and Secretary Paulson. Could you elaborate on this and tell us what policy steps,
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Answer. Our transmission and distribution system is aging and in need of investment and modernization. President-elect Obama has put forward a vision to stimulate major investment in our national utility grid, including smart metering, distributed storage and other advanced technologies to accommodate 21st century energy
requirement. Done right, upgrading the grid will create jobs and result in greatly
improved electric grid reliability and security, increased renewable generation and
greater customer choice and energy affordability. If confirmed, I look forward to
thoroughly reviewing all of DOEs efforts in this area and working with you on this
important issue.