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Abdul Haqq Deposition
Abdul Haqq Deposition
Abdul Haqq Deposition
M. Hasib Abdul-Haqq
3/10/2014
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Case No.:
3:13-CV-0169
(TJM/DEP)
M. Hasib Abdul-Haqq
3/10/2014
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A P P E A R A N C E S
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M. Hasib Abdul-Haqq
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F E D E R A L
S T I P U L A T I O N S
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EXAMINATION
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To that end,
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it?
If I ask you
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That's fine.
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college.
credits.
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to?
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Avis Rent-A-Car.
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center.
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day-care center.
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financial adviser.
Yes.
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here?
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helpful.
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I can't do that.
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understand questions?
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again.
goes.
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of that nature.
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courts.
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doctor.
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out.
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way or not.
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working at 30 percent.
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I definitely will.
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Islam?
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Islamic religion.
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What is a shahada?
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prophet.
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correct?
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Yes, I am a Sufi.
That's my discipline.
That's
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Muslim.
To me, it
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formal training.
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finance office.
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organization.
No, I wasn't.
Muslim.
Liberal arts.
business.
I wasn't sure
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basically on my own.
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But
Now, I understand --
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Yes.
Yes, I did.
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Who?
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B-I-L-A-L.
Bilal.
Bilal.
Yes.
I'm sorry.
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point in Brooklyn.
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Yes, he was
He was paralyzed.
And I don't know what role he actually
Haqq.
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incident?
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about it.
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waist or whatever.
his legs.
Okay.
Yes.
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bookkeeper there.
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duties.
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was incorporated.
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in so long.
I-K-H-W-A-N-U-L, I believe
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it's M-U-S-L-I-M-U-N.
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Right.
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I noticed.
Brotherhood?
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As far as I know.
Kings County.
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it existed.
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Muslimun.
there.
Yeah.
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this organization.
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So they went in
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unIslamic.
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Nationalism.
Racism,
nationalism.
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Medina.
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Mecca and
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You
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very loose.
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going.
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were teaching.
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Back then --
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inspirational words.
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in a Sunni mosque?
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wasn't a Wahhabi.
was.
And I can't
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A lot of
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is very dry.
tenets of Islam.
upon him.
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because of nationalism.
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No.
I'm sorry.
it properly.
But nationalism had crept into Islam
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going on.
with that.
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on.
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creator.
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were so similar.
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and so on said.
prophets.
They said,
This is something
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leave.
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Islam is interesting.
there.
you?
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salaat.
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here.
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to eat?
And I'll say, Yes, or, No, I haven't had
anything to eat.
And they'll say, Well, maybe there's a
little something that we can have for you here.
That's probably the basic -- basic
etiquette, right?
And once I've done that, they'll say,
Brother, have a -- have a safe trip and
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I said, Fine.
Thank you.
If you
Assalamu
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back.
If they don't want, they -The Darul was really like that back then
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folks.
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Right.
I don't know,
And I think
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upon him.
And this is
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Muhammad.
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That's it.
There was no --
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Herkimer in Brooklyn.
So that was
of Brooklyn.
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in, you can pray, and you can do such and such.
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I think so.
The picture in my head, and maybe it's all
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No.
books in.
Qurans.
Qurans.
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discourses.
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sent to them.
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entrusted to you.
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Yes.
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He wasn't
think.
in Virginia.
Somewhere in
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So we traveled lightly.
was it.
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Macken.
is right now?
Yes, it is.
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came to New York, and then left from New York and
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just common.
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Well, at that time -Well, see, the thing about Sheikh Gilani,
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gave.
you doing?
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control everything.
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Wahhabi was.
And he wound up
I can't.
I mean, it
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the thought.
But when he
I said -- that's
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papers.
that.
advanced.
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saying?
Ikhwanul -- Ikhwanul --
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organization?
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moved.
money.
nothing to avoid.
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Brotherhood.
sounded or whatever.
a -- it was a no-brainer.
I mean, it was
I don't know.
You
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what I did.
was -- is that --
whole life.
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dissolved.
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No.
I did this.
I went on my own.
And -- and I enticed
him to -- to do this.
MR. CARROLL:
If you'd like
to stretch.
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It had to
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They were
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Brooklyn.
bulging.
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know.
baggage.
Explain.
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forth and so on, but they only knew one way, and
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Sharia is about
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enemies.
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truth.
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Shahid, S-H-A-H-I-D.
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documents.
Um-hum.
Is that yes?
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Gilani?
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to Hancock forward.
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agricultural programs.
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countries.
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Is that true?
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organization --
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street jargon.
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new organization."
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Muslimun, Inc."
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very sick.
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organization.
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He was in a coma or
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paper.
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Florida?
Georgia.
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He passed.
I'm sorry.
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Islamic organization.
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Holy Prophet.
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I was approached.
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Gilani.
Gilani harm?
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and you can get out of your cell, such and such,
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Odom,
Georgia.
O-D-O-M, I think.
Where?
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areas.
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if he came through.
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Tahirah Clark?
Yes.
What is that?
She's my daughter.
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I need
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the proceedings.)
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January 21st.
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Now, as a witness,
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Civil Procedure.
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