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Horvath
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:44 am
Microsampler
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... live looping, pad drumming, full control over samples and FX.
Watch the demo video, please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZflhQpyBNI
The looping catch in this video - I set sampling length and pattern length both
to 4 bars, sampling trigger to "note on". There is a note for the selected sample
in the pattern, starting from the beginning, and its length is 4 bars too.
Therefore, sampling is engaged on the pattern restart, and sample starts over
immediately after recording on the next step - just like the common loopers!
Precise playing would reduce clipping, but it always occurs - no workaround yet.
Maximum looping length is limited to the sample length measured in beats - 8
bars. Twice more than KP3!
Almost every sample or FX parameter is controlled via corresponding SysEx
message. For example:
F0 42 30 7F 41 (10) 00 15 00 (3F) 00 F7 (set decay 63 for very first sample)
F0 42 30 7F 41 50 00 10 00 (10) 00 F7 (set FX depth to 16)
Novation SL controllers are the only ones to send SysEx messages with variable
bytes. One thing left - discover all the messages and create templates. I've did
it for you.
http://empytree.com/files/msmidi.zip
(my templates, sysex description, including detailed for effects, and SMF looping
pattern to import)
Korg uses negative variables as well in some parameters (XX 00 and YY 7F, for
example), fully reproducible only with two of Novation controls.
padKontrol is used obviously - notes for drum samples, and CC#12/13 for
touchpad. It outputs MIDI-out to ZeRO, which merges it with its own data,
finally fed to microSampler.
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Michael Vortex
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:34 pm
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How were you able to 'arm' the sampling mode on the microSAMPLER with a
pedal? Was the pedal connected to the Novation first?
Great video btw,
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Horvath
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:41 am
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Yes, the pedal was connected to Novation controller, sending NRPN message for
sampling (it's described in the manual). That's true for the loops' template, on
my drums' template the pedal sends message to arm pattern recording.
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jbl
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:27 pm
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so you can change effects with the presets, correct? and you have the wet/dry
effects on the cross fader, yes?
i watched your video two times in a row and it is very cool. if i got the mk1 of
the zero, would it work about the same?
good job and thanks!
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Horvath
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Location: Russia
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:09 am
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jbl: Not only change effects with presets, but every parameter of any effect
(and any sample) could be tweaked via encoders or sliders!
According to the manual for the ReMOTE Zero SL - yes, it would work! These
controllers are pretty much the same. But check it's templates editor, free to
download, "for the sake of good order".
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Horvath
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:22 pm
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About audio popping at the joint... that's the common problem, by the reason of
starting or breaking PCM-wave "in the air" - it should be at zero point instead.
Common loopers do shortest fade in and fade out on the loop's tips (while
Microsampler doesn't - blame you, Korg). To work around it you can apply
attack and release time to the sample. Microsampler doesn't support attack time
for samples (blame you again, Korg), so all you can do - write loops in "one
shot" mode, and playing them a bit shorter than them's length, with a
respecitve release amount (3-5 out of 127).
I've done correction to templates and loops' pattern (available in the topic
starting message).
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jbl
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:08 am
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quick question on the sample start with pedal. I have the kontrolpad by korg
and it also has a pedal function. i just don't understand nprn, can i just set the
footswitch to cc# 127 (i think that's what i read in the manual). is there
something special i should do or will it even work? i would like to know before I
buy a foot pedal so as not waste money.
thanks
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Horvath
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:41 am
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jbl:
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Try the following on padKontrol:

1) Set user message: B0 63 20 B0 62 11
2) Set pedal message: CC#6 127
3) Send user message to Microsampler.
From now on, pedal should trigger sampling button on Microsampler. Don't
forget to use external power supply for padKontrol - messages aren't
transmitted via MIDI out on USB-powered device.
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jbl
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:34 pm
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as always, you're very helpful. i was talking to a friend who knows a bit more
than me about midi and whatnot and we don't quite get nrpn.
how do i set user message? anyway, i'll read the kontrols manual again and see
if i can find it for myself.
thanks horvath
edit; read over the manual and did a quick search and i don't think nrpn is
supported on the padkontrol.
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Horvath
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There is no need to be worry about NRPN messages on padKontrol with it's

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whatsoever user messages onboard. The trick is to send NRPN MSB and LSB
messages once, after that you can trigger data entry MSB via CC#6 ad libitum.
It was described by DeadVolume here: http://www.korgforums.com/forum
/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=46676&&start=27 (relating to patterns' switching)
User messages are edited in Global Edit Window in padKontrol's editor (Ctrl+G).
It really works, just try it out.
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shabby
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Post subject: as as daw
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i bought bome midi transaltor. u can catch all the parameters and have this as
Joined: 29 May 2007
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an output send plus have any other cc not whater midi message as input.. so
now u can basically us all midi controllers
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Horvath
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Location: Russia
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:13 am
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shabby: It's cool, but it's a software. With an Ableton wired up, you don't need
Microsampler at all. I'm building pure hardware setup, call me psycho.
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shabby
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:27 am
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dont agree on not needing the MS with ableton running.. the workflow of live is
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so different for me.. plus the balance of complex sequences is easy to achieve in
the MS.. easier than within live for me (i use a combi)
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actually one of the strongpoints of the MS is its workflow: fast intuitive and in
da miX good sounding..
EXCEPT FOR THE BLAMAGE OF NOT PUTTING IN AUTOLOOP After SAMPLING
KORG!!!!
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costi_ebay
Joined: 09 May 2008

Posts: 35

Microsampler
Post subject: Re: Making DAW out of
Horvath wrote:
Novation SL controllers are the only ones to send SysEx messages with
variable bytes.
Why you think the SL is the only midi controller capable of this?
Do you think Behringer BCR 2000 controller can send SysEx messages with
variable bytes?
It will be a good option cause is a more cheaper way to control the
Microsampler
Thanks
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korakios
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:14 am
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The cheap Behringer brc2000 is a nice machine...I think it can handle sysex (I
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
Posts: 59
Location: GREECE
sold it years ago and I can't remember) BUT there is an excellent forum with
many files-presets-editors for the bcr at:
http://launch.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/
You can check it out...
In the meantime I plan using a crappy netbook only for midi...using the
keyboard for changing presets-effects-bank-patterns,the touchpad for xy
controller and my ps3 controller
@Horvath:you saved me hours from capturing it's parameter...thanks!I'll try
making a midi translator if anyone interested....thanks!
Edit:How did you find the sysex parameters?Microsampler doesn't transmit
anything to capture them...
First post: Hellooow
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