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Roy Burton Older 23 May 2017
Roy Burton Older 23 May 2017
2) Birth certificate for Truxton James Older listing Roy B. Older and Ethel Older
as parents, State of Illinois, Report of Birth to County Clerk, Decatur, Macon County,
Illinois. Date of birth 28 September 1911. The residence of the mother and the location of
birth was 1165 North Edward Street, Decatur, Illinois. The name of the child was added
to the birth certificate per affidavit of 03 July 1973.
3) Death certificate for Roy Burton Older, State of Illinois Medical Certificate of
Death for Roy Burton Older, registration district #92.0, registered number 347, date of
birth 10 February 1886, date of death 13 April 1964 at Danville, Illinois, signed by
Truxton J. Older, son, informant.
4) Census record for Roy Burton Older, Ethel Leona Worth Older, and Truxton
James Older for 1920, State of Illinois, Newell Township, Vermilion County, East
Voorhees, house number 7, dwelling number 5, family number 5.
5) Census record for Roy Older, Ethel Older, and Truxton Older for 1930, state of
Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Ward 4.
6) Census record for Truxton Older living with grandparents and aunt and uncle,
1930 State of Michigan, Wayne County, Part of Precinct 32, Township - Detroit, Baxter
Blvd. House 9125, Dwelling Number 2, Family Number 3.
7) Obituary for Roy Burton Older in the Danville Commercial News about 14 or 15
April 1964.
REFERENCES
1. State of Illinois Medical Certificate of Death for Roy Burton Older, registration district
#92.0, registered number 347, date of birth February 10, 1886, date of death April 13,
1964, Danville, Illinois, father's full name James Grant Older, mother's full maiden name
Minnie Lorenz, signed by Truxton J. Older, son, informant.
2. Marriage record found in Illinois, County Marriages, 1810-1940, Roy Burton Older and
Ethel Leota (sic) Worth, Champaign County, Illinois, 1911. GS Film Number 000338047,
Digital Folder Number 004539312, Image Number 00282. FHL microfilm 338,047. The
record only shows the year of marriage, 1911. No month or day appears.
3. State of California Certification of Vital Record, Certificate of Death for Ethel Leona
Worth Older, Ventura County, local registration district 5600, certificate number 2405,
date of death 26 December 1975, date of birth 08 January 1893. On an application for a
Social Security number dated 25 April 1972 at Ventura, California, Ethel L. Older gives
her date of birth as 08 January 1892. The 1900 Terre Haute, Vigo County, Indiana,
Federal Census lists her age as seven, indicating her birth year was 1893 and not 1892,
since her birth month of January already had passed in 1900.
4. State of California Certification of Vital Record, Certificate of Death for Ethel Leona
Worth Older, Ventura County, local registration district 5600, certificate number 2405,
date of death 26 December 1975, father was Chesterfield Worth and mother was Lucy
Jane Harmison. On an application for a Social Security number dated 25 April 1972 at
Ventura, California, Ethel L. Older lists her parents as Chesterfield Worth and Lucy Jane
Harmison.
5. Birth certificate, State of Illinois, Report of Birth to County Clerk, Decatur, Macon
County, Illinois, date of birth 28 September 1911. The residence of the mother and the
location of birth was 1165 North Edward Street, Decatur, Illinois. The name of the child
was added to the birth certificate per affidavit of 03 July 1973. Ethel Belle (Fox) Gouty
Family Bible in the possession of Curtis Lynn Older. Copies of pages from the Ethel
Belle Fox Family Bible are in a CD-rom disc entitled Fox's Gap in Maryland, which is at
the Frederick County Historical Society, Frederick, Maryland.
6. Birth certificates for Wilma Jane Older and Robert Burton Older should be on record
at the Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois, court house.
6A. Form DD-214 lists Normandy as a Battle or Campaign; as told by Bradley Burton
Older to Curtis Lynn Older, Robert Burton Older went in on the 25th hour of the
Normandy invasion in World War II. His Army serial number was 39 275 215. His
grade was listed as Sergeant and he was inducted on 06 January 1943 at Los Angeles,
California. He entered active service on 13 January 1943 and was separated from active
service on 13 November 1945 at Ft. MacArthur, California. His military occupational
specialty and number were Combination Welder 573. Battles and Campaigns:
Normandy, Northern France, Ardennes, Central Europe, and Air Offensive Europe.
Decorations and Citations: Good Conduct Medal, Victory Medal, European African
Middle Eastern Campaign Medal. Honorable Discharge. His active service in the United
States was for 11 months and 11 days. His active service in the European Theater was 1
year 10 months and 20 days. He departed for Europe on 27 October 1943 and arrived in
Europe on 3 November 1943. He departed Europe on 5 September 1945 and arrived in
the United States on 16 September 1945. He attended 12 weeks of training at the AAFTC
Chanute Field, Illinois, Electric Welding school. His permanent mailing address was
given as 1245 Valleyview Rd., Glendale, LA Co., California. His military unit was the
918th Air Eng Sq. His height was listed as 5 9 and weight as 137 pounds. Blue eyes
and brown hair. He had one dependent at the time of enlistment. Place of birth was
listed as Danville, Illinois, and date of birth was listed as 26 November 1922. His civilian
occupation was given as Machine Operator 5-13.000. Race white; Marital Status
married; and U. S. Citizen Yes.
6B. As told to Curtis Lynn Older by his father Truxton James Older, Robert Burton
Older told Truxton he got hit. The DD-214 form does not indicate any Wounds
Received in Action.
6C. As told to Curtis Lynn Older by Wilma Jane Older Zillman in 1989.
6E. Death Certificate H105718, Oregon Health Authority, Center for Health Statistics.
Robert Burton Older, January 03, 2013, age 90. Social Security Number 340-18-2831.
County of Death Josephine.
6F. Curtis Lynn Older attended the ceremony at the Danville National Cemetery on 20
May 2013 along with Bradley Burton Older, son of Robert Burton Older; Ricky Older,
son of Bradley Burton Older; Rhonda Older, daughter of Bradley Burton Older; and
Lily, daughter of Rhonda Older.
7. 1930 Federal Census, Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois, Ward Four, enumerated 03
April, Roy Older head of household.
11. World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record for Roy Burton Older:
Name: Roy Burton Older
City: Danville County: Vermilion State: Illinois
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1886
Race: White
Roll: 1613187
DraftBoard: 0
Age: Occupation: Nearest Relative: Registration Place:
Height: Build: Color of Eyes: Color of Hair:
Signature:
U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995, lists Roy B. Older and Ethel L. Older as residents of
Danville, Illinois, in 1928.
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1900 United States Census, Indiana, Terre Haute, Harrison Township, Ward #8, enumerated June 2, 1900, by William L. Canary
1900 United States Census, Indiana, Terre Haute, Harrison Township, Ward #8, enumerated June 2, 1900, by William L. Canary
James G. Older, head, white, male, March 1864, age 36, born in Ohio, father born in England, mother born in Ohio, painter, can
read, can write, can speak English, rent, house
Minnie Older, wife, white, female, born March 1867, age 33, born in Illinois, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany,
can read, can write, can speak English
Roy Older, son, white, male, born February 1886, age 14, born in Illinois, father born in Ohio, mother born in Illinois, attended
school 9 months, can read, can write, can speak English
Nella Older, daughter, white, female, born March 1889, born in Illinois, father born in Ohio, mother born in Illinois, attended
school 9 months, can read, can write, can speak English
Mable Older, daughter, white, female, born November 1892, born in Illinois, father born in Ohio, mother born in Illinois,
attended school, 9 months
Eliza Older, mother, white, female, born August 1834, age 63, married, mother of three children, two of these children now
living, born in Ohio, father born in Ohio, mother born in Ohio, can read, can write, can speak English
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SlATE OF ILLINOIS )I, WILLIAM H. TANGNEI, COUNT!' CLER1C withiD and tor spd
)Count:r and State aforesaid, and keeper of the records
COUNTY OF MACOM )herebJ certify- that tJd.a is a true photo cow ot the
record on file in this office. II TESTIKOHI WHmEOF, I
have hereunto subscribed 1Q' band, affixed the OWICIAL
SEAL Coant:r, at 11fT office in DEC..'-TUR 11 IlLINOIS
this day of JULY, A.D., 1973.
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1920 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Newell Township, enumerated January 5, 1920,
Roll T625_411, Page 1A, ED 173, Image 982
1920 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Newell Township, enumerated January 5, 1920,
Roll T625_411, Page 1A, ED 173, Image 982
Older, Roy B, head, home rented, male, white, age 32 at last birthday, married, able to read, able to
write, born in Illinois, father born US, mother born in Illinois, able to speak English,
superintendent
Older, Ethel L, wife, female, white, age 27 at last birthday, married, able to read, able to write, born in
Indiana, mother born in Indiana, father born in Indiana, able to speak English
Older, Truxton James, son, male, white, age 8 at last birthday, single, attended school, able to read,
able to write, born in Illinois, father born in Illinois, mother born in Indiana, able to speak English
Older, Wilma Jane, daughter, female, white, age 4 at last birthday, single, born in Illinois, father born
in Illinois, mother born in Indiana
1930 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Ward 4,
Enumerated April 3, 1930, Roll T626_564, Page 2B, ED 19, Image 0312
Plum Street, House Number 601, Dwelling Number 57, Family Number 57
1930 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Ward 4,
Enumerated April 3, 1930, Roll T626_564, Page 2B, ED 19, Image 0312
Plum Street, House Number 601, Dwelling Number 57, Family Number 57
Older, Roy, head, rented, $40 monthly rent, radio set, do not live on a farm, male, white, age 43 at last birthday,
married, age 25 at first marriage, did not attend school, able to read and write, born in Illinois, father born in Illinois,
mother born in Illinois, able to speak English, superintendent, foundry, employed - yes, veteran - no
Older, Ethel, wife, female, white, age 37 at last birthday, married, age 18 at first marriage, did not attend school, able
to read and write, born in Indiana, father born in Illinois, mother born in Illinois, able to speak English
Older, Truxton, son, male, white, age 18 at last birthday, single, attended school, able to read and write, born in
Illinois, father born in Illinois, mother born in Indiana, able to speak English, clerk, steam rail road, employed - yes
Older, Wilma, daughter, female, white, age 14 at last birthday, single, attended school, able to read and write, born
in Illinois, father born in Illinois, mother born in Indiana, able to speak English, not employed
Older, Robert, son, male, white, age 7 at last birthday, single, attended school, able to read and write, born in Illinois,
father born in Illinois, mother born in Indiana, not employed
Older-Gouty
Nuptials
Announced
In a quiet but impressive cere-
mony at ~:30 p. m .. Thursday, Sept.
1, 1938, Miss Mavis Lorene Gouty,
only daughter . of Mr. and Mra.
Robert W. Gouty, residents of. near
Foster, lnd!, became the bride of j
Truxton J. Older, son of Mr. and I
: Mrs. Roy Older, 610 Plum St., city.
Nuptials took place at. Olivet
Presbyterian Church manse, the
;: service b"eing read by the Rev.
; James Fisher, pastor.. The young
Ii couple was unattended.
The bride was attired in suit of
navy blue with harmonizing ac.:..
cessories and wore a corsage of
roses and 'Qlue forget-me-nota.
Mrs. Older is a graduate of Cov-
ington, Ind.. High School and is
I now employed in the office of At-
t-~rn~ Thomas Gra,ham and Job~
Spivey, in Danville.
! The bridegroom was graduated
l fro.m Danville l!igh Sc}lool and is
':associated with Hall Freight Lines
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I as solicitor.
f ... T~e couple will reside at 1201 E.
Ma.iP. St. . . .
Pr~.;.NuptialShower
Mrs. Older was guest of. honor
at a miscellaneous pre-nuptial
shower Wednesday at the country
ho. nie Qf her parents, near Foster,
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attendance. A variety of con tests
and games were the diversion of
the .afternoon. The guest of honor
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gifts.
Refreshments were served by
the hostess, Mrs. Gouty, at the
close of gathering. Among special
1 guests pr::ent was Mrs. Frank
O'Rouke, Detroit, Mich., aunt of
the bridegroom, who also was a
special guest at the wedding.
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21241201)4 - Files Analysis for Curris Older -by Sandra Lake lAssen
Your most important documentation is Truxton's birth certificate with the 1973
affidavit. It is an unusual document in that the original certificate gave the baby's
gender as "female" and the child was initially unnamed. Therefore, other
supportive documents are desirable to prove his parentage. Do you have the
1920 census for this family? I see that the 1930 census in enclosed, but what you
need is another supportive document listing young Truxton in the household of
his parents. I don't see the 1920 census scanned anywhere, although you refer to
it, and it is a pivotal document.
Am I misreading, or did Truxton appear both in the household of his aunt and
uncle and also in his parents' household in 1930?
Including causes of death can be very important to family history and I was glad
to see that you are mentioning causes of death, when known. This is information
your daughter and future grandchildren will need to have.
Since Truxton's marriage license does not include his parents' names. placing
him in the household of his parents in the 1020 census increases in importance.
There are two important documents lacking in this generation: Roy's birth record
and his marriage record. Knowing what a careful researcher you are, I am certain
that you have looked long and hard for both these documents. Marriage records
have been kept in Macon County since 1829, so I wonder if by any change Roy
and Ethel could have been married somewhere else? Wilma's statement can only
be considered "hearsay," as she was not even born at the time of the marriage. It
would not serve as a proof. Have you check surrounding counties for a marriage
record? I have researched at the Macon Countv Courthouse and found their
records there were quite good.
Although statewide birth records were not required in Illinois until the 2oth
century, according to The Handvbook for Genealogists, there are some birth
records in Decatur as early as 1850. In the absence of a birth certificate, here is
another possibility. Decatur had excellent early newspapers. I have read some of
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2124120114 - Files Analy.,is for Curtis Older - by San<lra Lake 1-a.,scn
them on microfilm for my ov.'ll family. It is possible that there might be a birth
announcement in a Decatur paper, since you have a birth date. You could check
the newspapers for about a two week period following Roy's birth to see if there is
anything mentioned.
Lacking those t\-vo documents, you have Roy's death certificate listing his parents'
names, as well as his birth date. Death certificates are the least desirable form of
proof for a person's birth and parentage, as the information is only as good as the
grieving relative who provides the information. You refer to the 1900 and 1910
census for Roy and his parents, but I don't see them in the packet. IfTruxton is
listed as "son" in his parent's household, that is very good proof, coupled \>\rith the
death certificate.
The lack of a marriage record could be problematic with any of the lineage
societies. Therefore, if no marriage rec01:d can be located, some other documents
could be substituted. A deed of property that names Roy Older "and wife Ethel,"
for example, would be a good proof of marriage, since it would show some
particular county recognized them as a legally married couple. Again, knowing
the date of marriage and the presumed location, you could read Decatur
newspapers on microftlm to see if there is a marriage mention. Ancestry. com has
a number of Decatur newspapers in one of their subscription databases. You
would have to buy a subscription to them and they are ponderous to search, but it
might be an alternative to ordering microfilm.
Suggestions for this generation would be to include the 1900 and 1910 censu.e
for Rov and his parents. Continue to search for a birth record and a marriage
license.
Ethel has some nice proofs, but one or two more that name her father would be
nice. The 1900 census refers to her as "Ethel Worth" in the household of her
stepfather and mother. Her social security application lists her father's name and
her maiden name. Her death certificate names her father. Lacking a census
report for Ethel in the household of her father, which is impossible since he died
before 1900, locating a marriage record for Roy and Ethel would be a good
additional proof, since it might name her father. Ethel's mother Lucy's second
marriage certificate is also important, as it would presumably establish her as the
widow Worth. I have not seen this document, since l don't have a file on Lucy
yet, but you do refer to it. The Terre Haute city directory naming Et hel's mother
as the widow of Chesterfield Worth is doubly important here. Establishing Lucy
as Chesterfield's '~idow, showing her remarried in the census with Ethel
surnamed "Worth"
According to The Handybook for Genealogists, Indiana counties kept their own
birth records beginning about 1882. Have you checked the Vigo County Health
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SHORTREPORTFORCURTOLDER
Curtis L. Older
618 Tryon Place
Gastonia, NC 28054-6066
Dear Curt,
Per your letter of 11 July 2004 (which I found on the CD after mailing your last
report), I have reviewed the flies for Truxton Older, Roy Burton Older and Ethel
Leona Worth, taking into consideration the issues raised the first time around.
TRUXTONJAMESOLDER
With the inclusion of the 1920 census records, I find no remaining issues with
this file. As mentioned in my last report, it would be a good idea to include more
complete citation for your censuses in footnotes, i.e., page number, household
number, etc.
One of the important proofs for Roy Burton Older, since here is no birth record,
would be an additional document placing him in his parents' household. Your
footnotes for Roy mention the 1900 and 1910 censuses, but I could not tell if you
had actually located these records. It was essential to find a document that listed
712512004 - Files Analysis for Curtis Older - by Sandra Lake Lassen
Roy as son of James and Minnie Older. I accessed Heritage Quest's censuses and
found the James and Minnie Older family in the 1900 census in Vigo Co., IN, 8th
Ward, Terre Haute, ED 119, page 14B, at 1658 Liberty Avenue. James G. Older
and Minnie Older have son Roy, age 14, in their household and he is plainly listed
as son. In 1910, the Older family is in lllinois, Macon Co., Decatur, 6th Ward.
James' middle initial is wrong in the index, where he is listed as "James J . Older."
James, Minnie, Nellie and Mabel are in the household, but Roy was not. I did not
see Roy in the 1910 index anywhere. However, Roy is now established as the son
of his parents. No further issues.
The inclusion of the 1900 census showing Ethel Worth in the household of her
mother and stepfather, where she is clearly listed as "stepdaughter," and the
Terre Haute City Directory listing Ethel's mother as "widow of Chesterfield
Worth" establish Lucy as a widow and then show her remarried in the census.
Her children by Chesterfield were clearly surnamed "Worth" in their stepfather's
household.
It would be a good idea to continue to search for Lucy's marriage record to Jesse
Lewellen. Ethel is established as the daughter of her father Chesterfield by
naming him in her Social Security application; he is also listed as her father on
her death certificate.
I have no issues with this file. However. for her mother Lucy, do keep looking for
a second marriage record.
I will be working on the next CD this coming week. You have prepaid and don't
owe me any money for this search or for the next one (i.e., the rest of CD #3).
Sincerely,