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McDowell, John C.-Theology As Conversational Event - Karl Barth, The Ending of 'Dialogue' and The Beginning of 'Conversation'. 19 (2003)
McDowell, John C.-Theology As Conversational Event - Karl Barth, The Ending of 'Dialogue' and The Beginning of 'Conversation'. 19 (2003)
McDowell, John C.-Theology As Conversational Event - Karl Barth, The Ending of 'Dialogue' and The Beginning of 'Conversation'. 19 (2003)
THEOLOGY AS CONVERSATIONAL
EVENT: KARL BARTH, THE ENDING
OF DIALOGUE AND THE
BEGINNING OF CONVERSATION1
JOHN C. McDOWELL
Introduction
An argument is as, or even perhaps more, revealing for what it omits as what
it includes. Feminist and Liberationist theologies have rightly been suspi-
cious of discourses making claims to being natural, self-evident, or
rational when probing reveals that they operate at the level of ideology,
and therein too easily exclude accounts that could disrupt the apparent nat-
uralness of their particular telling of the story. That process of naturalisation
makes these ways of telling the stories of the world, nations, and social and
political groups, part of the fabric of the cultural-linguistic shape of the story-
telling so that language users who are informed by these stories lose any
sense that things could be told or imagined differently. The stories, then,
appear as true, are divorced from the particular contexts they once inhab-
ited, and serve specific interests.
Yet languages, for instance, are not examinable, dissectable and frameable
as stable or static entities. Language-use by those less familiar with, or even
unfamiliar with, the specificities involved in the rules of any particular
speech can modify that language at even its grammatical core. In this event
the other is brought into conversation to destabilising effect. Conversation,
then, can induce a disruption and modification of grammatical patterns, and
can robustly remind one of the situatedness and even fragility of any given
language-use.
John C. McDowell
School of Divinity, New College, Mound Place, University of Edinburgh, EH1 2LX, Scotland
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It is not uncommon, however, to hear the complaint that despite the volu-
minous nature of his writing, Karl Barths performance omits something
vital to the health of theology, particularly one claiming attention to public
places. James Barrs comment is representative of one kind of objection.
Barth, he says, paid little attention to other peoples opinions.2 This way
of stating the problem somewhat leaves Barr vulnerable to the lazy reposte
of listing occasions when Barth does approve of, cite, or discuss the ideas of
other thinkers. Such a strategy of simple proof-texting is both frivolous and
leaves Barrs core suspicion fatally undamaged.
The Barth of Barrs account is one locked in his own theological world
without feeling the need to be responsible to those who disagree with him.
Hence, the audacity of the man is supposedly illustrated by the Gifford Lec-
tures on natural theology at Aberdeen University in 193738 in which he
deliberately ignores that theme and asserts that no such subject existed to
be discussed.3 His theology, it would seem, illegitimately secures itself from
critique, polices its narrow location assiduously and only lets in a few care-
fully vetted others when convinced that they can be useful.
In contrast, through John Milbanks distinction between dialogue and con-
versation in the context of interreligious communication it becomes possible
to critique Barrs understanding of conversation in a way that serves to
hear Barth, and what it entails for theology to be conversational, signifi-
cantly differently. Indeed, I will argue that conversation is an appropriate
metaphor to apply to what Barth was doing with his theology.
Several features of Barrs observation are worthy of note. In the first place,
the geometric image (the issue being brought into the centre) suggests that
the issues were already contentious (to be brought into the centre they must
already have been, at the very least, on the periphery). Indeed in an accom-
panying footnote Barr makes it clear that Barths polemic against natural
theology was conditioned purely by political controversies. Rather, these
political circumstances acted as a catalyst for the theological disagreement
which soon broke out.6 Here he is right. The recent study of the Barth-
Brunner relations by John Hart emphasises that Barth had been suspicious
of Brunner for a decade by this time. In fact, Hart argues, late in 1920 a
parting of the way seemed likely. But, after reading Romans II, Brunner
appeared to adopt Barths radical dialectic.7
Moreover, Barrs feeling that Barths reaction was an extreme one encour-
aged by the politics of the time is why he progresses to a defence of the legiti-
macy of natural theology, and this he does on grounds not unlike those
of Brunner himself (scripture, especially Romans 12; and the Protestant
Reformers). Here two things are detectablefirstly, Barr feels that the
problem with the form of Barths reaction lies with his theology; and secondly,
ironically, as shall be argued later with respect to articulating the ways in
which Barth can be described as a conversational theologian, he does not see
what was theologically at stake for Barth. In other words, Barr cannot appreci-
ate what it is that makes Barth suspicious of Brunner to the point of respond-
ing with the Nein!8
Therefore that Barth later admitted to having brought natural theology
back in by way of Christology is less admired than criticised as a calami-
tous inconsistency. It would require the dismantling of his earlier theology
built, as it was according to Barr, on the non-negotiability of the denial of
natural theology.9 Moreover, Barr finds it disturbingly ironic that Barths
writing depends upon some kind of non-revealed intellectual structure that
provided the necessary assumptions which contradicts the pretension to
an independent and purely theological position deriving exclusively from
revelation.10
Furthermore, according to Barr, Barth never took the time to notice dif-
ferentiations within the theologies sweepingly categorised as natural the-
ology because he perceived the German situation as a final manifestation
of natural theology.11 Put starkly, Barth was exegetically biased, determined
in his reading by his theological conviction and productive, therefore, of a
travesty of exegesis, indeed a denial of exegesis that undermines the ideal
of historical objectivity.12 In other words, he seems to have fallen foul of
John Websters warning about rummaging through good texts for insights
to shore up some proposal or other instead of studying them in such a
way that they provoke by subverting.13
Barth, the prophet to culture, has lost his prophetic edge and uncritically
succumbed to an a priori modus operandi bolstered by a powerful totalitarian
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The ontological dogma of the Incarnation loses its roots in the shared
and public reality of the world in which we live; it hovers above us like
a cathedral resting upon a cloud.24
What emerges from these broad brushstrokes is a portrait of one who utterly
failed to engage theologically with what Roberts calls our commonplace
reality. Barth has become the entextualised, but no longer context-bound
mouth of God , and therein has provided theology with its own ghettoised
breathing-space in protected isolation from public scrutiny.25
Pinnock echoes this conclusion to a significant degree when accusing
Barth of inflating a subjectivist balloon that cannot be distinguished from
fantasy and dream and which must exist
I do not expect anyone to agree with mestill less that he say nice things
about me. But . . . without presumption I might expect that they had first
informed themselves about me and therefore had read me.44
You speak of conversation, but what does this mean? Conversation takes
place when one party has something new and interesting to say to the
other. Only then is conversation an event. One must say something
engaging and original, something with an element of mystery. The
Church must sound strange to the world if it is not to be dull. . . . We
may read philosophers (and we should!) without accepting their pre-
suppositions. We may listen respectfully (I have a holy respect for a good
philosopher!). We can learn much from philosophy and science. But as
theologians we must be obedient to the Word.47
Several things are noteworthy about this set of comments. In the first place,
Barths interest in presuppositions betrays an interest in the particularity and
difference that makes conversation possible. We do not converse because we
share a common foundation, and can trade variations upon that agreed
theme, but because we are different. Barths reiteration of his commitment
to determinatively ecclesial presuppositions is not a refusal of conversation,
any more than is his recognition of the different presuppositions of the
philosophers. Conversation involves difference, and the awareness of dif-
ferenceneither the suppression nor the simple celebration of difference,
but a willingness to take it seriously. Put differently, Barth is aware of the
fact that any conversation is always between a particular someone and a par-
ticular someone else; there can be no a-temporal or a-contextual conversation
in which the conversation partners leave behind the concrete particularities
of who they are in order to dialogue in objectivity.
Barths unembarrassed reliance upon presuppositions which are not
shared, but which need not isolate, could be compared with Harnacks 1923
complaint that Barth was unscientific in his worka complaint which
seems to conflate a reading guided by unshared presuppositions with a
relativistic free-for-all. For Harnack, apparently, if there can be no obviously
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objective reading of a text, then its meaning fragments into the chaos of
readers private preferences.48 Only a hermeneutical objectivity grounded in
universally shared assumptions can free readings from potential nihilism
and for public discussion, interaction, and assessment.
Barths response exposes the unacknowledged presuppositions in
Harnacks own position. I think I owe it to you and our listeners, he says,
to confess that I do consider my answers open to debate, but that still
for the time being and until I am shown a better way I reserve all else
to myself. Nonetheless, your objections cannot deter me from continu-
ing to ask along the line of those answers.49
Barth here subverts Harnacks own accusations by accusing him of not lis-
tening and of methodological parochialismthe science of theology may
be broader than Harnack had imagined, but he seems strangely unprepared
to entertain any voices different from his own. Harnacks theology, then, is
the one that is closed. Quite simply, his approach fails to be attentive to, and
respectful of, the Sache of the text but instead forces a reading that is a hostile
act in which the interpreter victimizes the text.50 The dead letter of the text
is captured, possessed, dissected and then left in pieces as if those projects
constitute either the interpretative act or exhaust the hermeneutical perfor-
mance.51 Even so, Barth continues in a generous vein.
I would like to be able to listen attentively in the future to whatever you
also have to say. But at this time I cannot concede that you have driven
me off the field with your questions and answers, although I will gladly
endure it when it really happens.52
It is instructive to compare Barths deconstruction of Harnacks appeal to
objectivity with Milbanks ending of dialogue. Barth, like Milbank, is
unapologetic in naming the theological shape of his own presuppositions,
those which set him on the particular path he is following. As the But in
his claim cited earlier suggests (But as theologians we must be obedient to
the Word), it is clear that he is not prepared to renege on his commitments.
Denying the factors that shape his commitments would be to renounce who
he is. As a Christian (and more specifically a Protestant Christian), Barth is
committed to a particular way of seeing the world in Jesus Christ, and that
is what can make conversation possibleto make possible what Milbank
describes as a nonviolent enabling of the other to see the reclassification of
other incommensurable accounts . . . according to . . . [ones] own perspec-
tive.53 That, as shall be demonstrated below, does not preclude Barths faith
seeking understanding from learning from those outside the defined
walls of the church, past and present.
Returning to the quotation from Barths Table Talk which began this section,
we can in the second place note Barths insistence that The Church must
sound strange to the world if it is not to be dull. Barths various ecclesial
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presuppositions, far from ruling him out of some conversation that begins
from conversationalists neutrality and common core, precisely enable him
to converse.
So, for instance, it is precisely because he is a Christian that Barth is com-
mitted to a particular way of seeing the world in Jesus Christ that recognises
and generously admits its indebtedness to those who have spoken within
the Christian church, past and present. This is clear not only in Protestant
Theology in the Nineteenth Century, but also as early as the Preface to the first
edition of Der Rmerbrief with its talk of history as an honest and uninter-
rupted conversation between yesterdays wisdom and the wisdom of
tomorrow.54
Nevertheless, and this is vital to appreciating his project, Barth is not sat-
isfied with maintaining any commitment to some supposedly identifiable
set of theories or practices that can be carried through time in pristine and
immutable condition. He speaks of a conversation between yesterday and
tomorrow, not of a sacred deposit delivered yesterday which we are charged
to carry through to tomorrow. Hence, Barth can agree in principle with
Roberts rejection of The mechanical recapitulation of Christian doctrine
merely as items in an inherited belief system, undertaken as though nothing
had happened.55 But something has happened, and still is happening, in the
continually fresh coming of God to speech.
Barths critical re-envisioning of the Reformed doctrine of election in CD
II.2 is a good example of resistance to what Roberts calls a theological
necrophilia, and of attending to how the Reformers might freely speak to
theology in the twentieth century.56 A slavish following of the past is not
faithfulness to their witness. Barth critiques the Reformers for their decretum
absolutum and its justifying deus absconditus on the basis of their insufficient
application of their own theological claims about the noetic and ontic signifi-
cance of Jesus Christ. Thus while he sets himself here against the tradition,
he nevertheless feels that he is being faithful to their concerns of explicating
the graciousness of the free/sovereign God to which the scriptures testify.
In so far as we hold fast to their intention, we think we shall still be in
agreement with them when we add at once that the freedom, mystery
and righteousness of God in the election of grace must be understood in
terms of Christian theology. [CD, II.2, 24]
It is this that enables Barth to reshaperadically and christologicallythe
notion of double predestination as Gods self-election to be the God for
humanity in Jesus Christ, and humanity to be for God in Jesus Christ.57
Barths critique of the Reformers is here more a case of internal correction
than a case of an assertion of knowing better because of some Gods-eye
perspective.
Theologically, what this all amounts to is a recognition that our activity as
Christian theologians proceeds only in and by means of a constant depend-
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Barth does not distinguish theology from other sorts of discourse pri-
marily by locating a special subject-matter for it, still less by the princi-
pled exclusion or rejection of other kinds of discourse. What
distinguishes theology is rather the particular way in which it strives to
order all discourses: it interprets and assesses them by taking Jesus
Christ as he is attested for us in holy scripture as its primary and deci-
sive criteria of truth and meaning.63
lest it suggest that there is anything that does not fall under the claim of the
electing, creating, and redeeming God of the world. Speaking of theological
significance of Mozart, Barth asks:
Why is it that for the receptive, he has produced in almost every bar he
conceived and composed a type of music for which beautiful is not a
fitting epithet: music which for the true Christian is not mere entertain-
ment, enjoyment or edification but food and drink; music full of comfort
and counsel for his needs . . . ? [CD, III.3, 297f.]
This rhetorical query negates any possibility that Mozart merely impacted
upon the scaffolding of Barths theology stylistically or illustratively.70
Barths was a profoundly theological appreciation of Mozart. Indeed, Barths
enthusiasm [for Mozart] is a too-little used index to the whole Barthian
theology.71 So argues Theodore Gill, who recounts an incident when leaving
Barths study. On noticing portraits of Calvin and Mozart hanging side-by-
side, Barth announced: My special revelation [looking at Calvin]. And my
general revelation [smiling at Mozart].72 It would not have been wholly
inappropriate to have taken Barths words seriously here, and Barth himself
suggests the possible direction. In 1958 he wrote:
I am not especially gifted or cultured artistically and certainly not
inclined to confuse or identify the history of salvation with any part of
the history of art. But the golden sounds and melodies of Mozarts music
have been from early times spoken to me not as gospel but as parables
of the realm of Gods free grace as revealed in the gospeland they do
so again and again with great spontaneity and directness.73
Mozart as parable! Barths earlier claim that Mozart has created order for
those who have ears to hear, and he has done it better than any scientific deduc-
tion could [CD, III.3, 299] seems to echo deliberately Jesus closing of his
parables (e.g., Matt. 11:15).74 But that Barth could as late as this speak of
Mozart as a parable of grace, while continuing to deny natural theology,
is an important indicator of the fact that Barth does not tightly draw bound-
aries around the question of those with whom theology may converse.75
Barths qualifications on the place and role of cultural particularities, being
distinct from and unconfused with Gods grace of revelation while yet being
seen potentially as witnesses to grace draw the reader back to his earlier writ-
ings. Certainly he had in one sense exploded his earlier theologico-cultural
pretensions manifested in his 1910 article, Die Christliche Glaube und die
Geschichte. There he acclaimed Michelangelo and Beethoven as sources of
revelation alongside Paul. Yet, in another sense what he has done is find a
theologically-controlled way of reading cultural products.76 What Barth
refuses to do is provide concrete examples of this [CD, IV.3.1, 135].77 He
even, on occasion, is hesitant to cite Mozart, since All such phenomena are
doubtful and contestable. An important point is being made here about the
necessary reticence appropriate to a theology that entertains consciousness
of its eschatological provisionality. In 1948 Barth had come to learn theologi-
callyparticularly through his earlier disillusionment with liberalism, but
also practically through his disaffected socialistically inspired hopes for
Russiato say that
It may well be that even in the best State Christians will never be able
to express their gratitude for Gods gift and ordinance except in the form
of serious opposition. But this implies that they will never be able to
regard and treat even the worst State as wholly diabolical. . . . It [viz., the
church] can accompany every political system. But it cannot serve
strange gods. It cannot therefore ally itself with any political system, old
or new, for better or for worse, just as it cannot oppose any system
unconditionally. It can offer absolute and abstract obedience to none but
to each only the relative concrete obedience or resistance which it is com-
manded to offer by the Word of God. The Word of God is not tied to any
political system, old or new. It justifies and judges all of them.78
This undergirding sense of the sinfulness of all thought and action (includ-
ing Christian thought and action) forms a vital piece of negative supple-
mentation to the more positive use of Mozart through the theme of creation.
Both of these together form a theology attentive to a plenitude of types of
voices, all in order to enable a better understanding of Gods revelation in
Christ. So, Barth maintains, The central affirmations of the Bible are not self-
evident . . . Every possible means must be used to interpret it, and it is in
this thematic context that he famously declares:
God may speak to us through Russian communism, a flute concerto, a
blossoming shrub or a dead dog. We do well to listen to Him if He really
does. . . . God may speak to us through a pagan or an atheist, and thus
give us to understand that the boundary between the Church and the
secular world can take at any time a different course from that which we
think we discern [CD, I.1, 55].79
Hence, not only can these extra-ecclesial elements witness to God in
Christ, they can be heard in an ad hoc fashion (the listening itself, however,
can never be properly piecemeal but as broad as possible) as critiques of the
ways in which the churches performatively imagine the significance and
import of those events.80 As Rowan Williams says, the church judges the
world; but it also hears Gods judgment on itself passed upon it by the
world.81 And that statement opens theology to understanding its place in
human thinking in a way that can prevent either its self-secluding escape
from thought, or the flowering of the temptation to theological imperialism
over the broader projects of human reflecting.82
Only the heretic, indeed only the arch-heretic, the one who is totally lost
even for Gods invisible Church, could really belong to the past and have
nothing more to say to us. And we are in no position to identify such
arch-heresy. Not even among avowed pagans, much less among Jews or
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suspect, even very suspect, Christians. All heretics are relatively hereti-
cal, so even those who have been branded heretics at one time or another
and condemned for their avowed folly and wickedness must be allowed
their say in theology. The theology of any period must be strong and free
enough to give a calm, attentive and open hearing not only to the voices
of the Church Fathers, not only to favourite voices, not only to the voices
of the classical past, but to all the voices of the past.86
Barths determination to let his disagreements with others be thoroughly
theological is notor, at least, not alwaysa sign that he simply wishes to
assess other thinkers according to his own arbitrarily narrowed and imperi-
ously imposed standards, and dismiss those failing to meet them. Rather, he
regards it as his duty to think through their claims from within his own
frame of reference, and not in the terms of some supposed neutrality. Because
only in that way can he reach a genuine and (even self-)critical encounter
with them, and only in that way can he genuinely be open to being chal-
lenged by them. Indeed, it is just such a Christian approach to conversation
that can, in the language of Milbank, provide resources for agreement-
beyond-mere-toleration, conversation that is constituted through the blend-
ing together of differences and not their denial or suppression.
Something of this is can be sensed in Bernard Lonergans articulation of
the rules of Christian conversation: Be attentive, Be intelligent, Be reason-
able, Be responsible, and, one should add, be loving, and if necessary,
change.87 Yet, William Plachers qualification is crucial: while Serious dia-
logue indeed requires openness to change, . . . it also demands a sense of
how significant changing ones faith would be.88
The resultant sense of the unavoidable urgency and seriousness with
which we must enter conversation from our particular theological position,
and the willingness to think through other claims and ideas theologically,
accompanies and substantiates Barths understanding of the fallibility and
frailty of his own theology. However much his beguiling rhetoric some-
times lends itself to a sense of his theologys impervious strength, his work
is never wholly without an awareness of its own partial nature, and of its
own necessary failure. This sense is, in a hidden way, firmly present in
(not just despite) his most trenchant theological grapplings with those with
whom he disagrees. In our formation as listeners to the Deus dixit we have
learned to hear distortedly; we must therefore constantly return to our
source, and become aware of our own pre-conscious, unconscious, and even
conscious temptations to idolatryand that means both being open to chal-
lenge, and being challenging.89 This is why Barth is able to announce to
Harnack:
I do not intend to entrench myself in those positions in which you, hon-
oured Sir, . . . have seen me, simply because I know how frightenly rela-
tive everything is that one can say about the great subject which occupies
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you and me. I know that it will be necessary to speak of it in a way quite
different from that of my present understanding.90
That Barth did not engage with everyone and everything theologically is, in
the end, testimony to the limitations of time and resources, and perhaps even
to the range of conversations that Barth chose to become involved in. More-
over, that he did not necessarily understand equally well all those with
whom he did engage does not undermine his sense of openness to, and
respect for, others. It testifies, on the contrary, to the partiality and fragility
of his all-too-human hearing. However, while the details of these absent con-
versations, and those conducted less well than we would like, may pose
important questions about the manner of Barths actual practice, they do less
to indict his theology of conversation. As David Ford argues, there is only a
limited number of exchanges any guest can take part in, and nobody needs
to know what is going on in every conversation.92 Nevertheless, I do not
see how theology which is related to a God who relates to everything and
everyone can in principle limit its questions and conversations.93 In princi-
ple, at least, there is no external perspective that cannot be re-created and
integrated within Barths theological perspective, and that then means that
there is a real sense in which, theologically speaking, there can be no proper
externality to the universal scope of the theological imagination.
Conclusion
Modernity, if Milbank is correct, sets the rules for what dialogue must be
outside of, or beyond, specific conversations. Whether that be in the form of
interreligious or even ecumenical dialogue, or dialogues between theology
and science, theology and philosophy, and so on, the point remains that these
rules are arbitrary when universally projectedthe imperialising of local
rationalities and conversations.94 Dialogue, in other words, may prove to
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partner with whom he did not converse, but should have. (Of course, our
determination of who these are depends to a great extent upon what it is
that we value). But while that will suggest what directions may be pressed
for taking the painful yet joyful, educational step of identifying Barth as a
theologically interesting and perennially important conversation-partner,107 it
should not evade the importance of conversation for him, both in theory and
in practice.
NOTES
1 My thanks especially are due to Dr. Mike Higton for his sagacious comments on this paper
and also for his contribution to a shorter co-authored piece which I cite in places: Mike
A. Higton and John C. McDowell, Introduction: Barth as Conversationalist, in Convers-
ing With Barth (Aldershot: Ashgate, forthcoming).
2 James Barr, Biblical Faith and Natural Theology: The Gifford Lectures for 1991 Delivered in the
University of Edinburgh (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1993), p. 131.
3 Barr, p. 7.
4 Barr, p. 1.
5 Barr, pp. 10f.
6 Barr, p. 10 n10.
7 John Hart, Karl Barth vs. Emil Brunner: The Formation and Dissolution of a Theological Alliance,
19161936 (New York, NY: Peter Lang, 2001), p. 207. While he underplays the important
theological content of many of Barths worries, Gary Dorrien claims that in the [dialec-
tical theological] movements early years, Barth was wary of Brunner for reasons that,
at first, had more to do with differences in personality and style than with substantive
theological disagreements. Gary Dorrien, The Barthian Revolt in Modern Theology: Theology
Without Weapons (Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2000), p. 108.
8 This failure to appreciate the sense of what is theologically at stake for Barth in Brunners
pamphlet is accentuated by Barrs thesis that it was Barths prior theological commitments
that determined his incapacity to hear that Brunner was not developing a theology even
potentially sympathetic to the German Christians.
9 See Barr, p. 13. Citation from Barth in A. Szekeres, Karl Barth und die natrliche
Theologie, Evangelische Theologie Vol. 24 no. 5 (1964), pp. 229242 (p. 229).
10 Barr, pp. 128f.
11 Barr, p. 11. [I]t was the internal theological development in Barths mind that caused him
to perceive the German situation in terms generated by his own theology, and therefore to
see it as a final manifestation of natural theology. [I]t is the judgement of people who
see the entire world and its history very much through the glass of their own particular
theology. Barr, pp. 116f.
12 Barr, pp. 38, 20.
13 John Webster, Barths Moral Theology: Human Action in Barths Thought (Edinburgh: T&T
Clark, 1998), p. 9.
14 Barr, p. 131. Barr fails to substantiate his impressions (developed from the Barth of
the Barth-Brunner dispute of the 1930s) by substantive and detailed exegesis of Barths
writings.
15 Karl Barth, Karl Barth-Rudolph Bultmann Letters 19221966, edited by Bernd Jaspert, trans.
Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1982), p. 65.
16 Barr, p. 116.
17 Clark Pinnock, Karl Barth and Christian Apologetics, Themelios Vol. 2 (1977), pp. 6671
(p. 70). Anthony Flew cites Barth as asserting that Belief cannot argue with unbelief: it
can only preach to it. See God and Philosophy (London: Hutchinson, 1966), p. 9. Barr, p.
38: Barth is shouting down every contrary opinion, defying anyone to think or say any-
thing other than what he thinks and says, inventing specious forms of words to bring the
text into conformity with his views.
18 Pinnock, p. 66.
19 Richard Roberts discovers in the Rmerbrief, and its Sitz im Leben in the first postmoder-
nity, precisely the rudimentaries of the theologia viatorum. See A Theology on its Way?
Essays on Karl Barth (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1991), pp. 196ff.
20 Richard H. Roberts, Karl Barths Doctrine of Time: Its Nature and Implications in S. W.
Sykes (ed), Karl Barth: Studies of his Theological Method (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1979), pp.
88146 (pp. 123, 132).
21 Richard H. Roberts, The Ideal and the Real in the Theology of Karl Barth in New Studies
in Theology 1, eds. Stephen Sykes and Derek Holmes (London: Duckworth, 1980), pp.
163180 (p. 165); 1991, xv; cf. Pinnock, p. 70. A similar account of Barths totalitarian
method can be found in Wolfhart Pannenberg, Anthropology in Theological Perspective, trans.
Matthew J. OConnell (Philadelphia, PA: The Westminster Press, 1985), p. 16; Richard
Crigg, Theology as a Way of Thinking (Atlanta, GA: Scholars Press, 1990), pp. 3948. For a
critique of Pannenberg, here, see Paul D. Molnar, Some Problems with Pannenbergs
Solution to Barths Faith Subjectivism , Scottish Journal of Theology Vol. 48 (1995), pp.
315339.
22 Roberts, 1979, pp. 144f.
23 Roberts, 1980, p. 177. Roberts particularly notes that the temporal character of Barths
treatment of the Resurrection-time is problematic, a freeing from temporal enclosure
(CD, IV.1, p. 313). This is further encapsulated in Barths discussion of election, for herein
the fulcrum is shifted from incarnate history to eternal decision (1979, p. 120). It is not
time per se, upon which attention must be concentrated, but eternity as the temporal
plenum from which time takes its reality (1979, p. 108). So Barth argues that election is
something that happened to and not in their human nature and its possibilities, to and
not in their human history and its development (CD, II.2, p. 321).
24 Roberts, 1979, p. 145.
25 Roberts, 1991, p. 175. Similarly, see Stephen H. Webb on a Barthian lapse into the Protes-
tant scholasticism of a stable authorial voice, over-confident logocentrism, authoritarian
position, and closed system. Refiguring Theology: The Rhetoric of Karl Barth (Albany, NY:
State University of New York Press, 1991), p. 153.
26 Pinnock, p. 71. Roberts, 1979, p. 145: the Incarnation . . . hovers above us like a cathedral
resting upon a cloud.
27 Pinnock, p. 66.
28 On Roberts assessment of Milbank, see Theology and the Social Sciences in David F.
Ford (ed.), The Modern Theologians: An Introduction to Theology in the Twentieth Century,
second edition (Oxford: Blackwell, 1997), pp. 700719, especially pp. 709711. Paul Lake-
land, echoing a phrase from Raimundo Panikkar, claims that Milbanks manifesto is a
shameless reassertion of the premodern superiority of Christendom Postmodernity: Chris-
tian Identity in a Fragmented Age (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 1997), p. 68.
29 John Milbank, The End of Dialogue in Gavin DCosta (ed.), Christian Uniqueness Recon-
sidered: The Myth of a Pluralistic Theology of Religions (New York, NY: Orbis Books, 1990),
pp. 174191.
30 Milbank, p. 177.
31 Roberts believes that Milbank privatises the range and scope of theological conversations.
See Theology and the Social Sciences in David F. Ford (ed.), The Modern Theologians,
second edition (Oxford: Blackwell, 1997), pp. 700719; Article Review: Transcendental
Sociology? A Critique of John Milbanks Theology and Social Theory Beyond Secular Reason,
Scottish Journal of Theology Vol. 46 (1993), pp. 527535. Cf. Ian Markham, Truth and the
Reality of God: An Essay in Natural Theology (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1998), pp. 39f.
32 Milbank, p. 177. Similarly, Glyn Richards, Towards a Theology of Religions (London: Rout-
ledge, 1989), p. 156.
33 Milbank, pp. 177f.
34 Kenneth Surin, A Politics of Speech in Gavin DCosta (ed.), Christian Uniqueness Recon-
sidered: The Myth of a Pluralistic Theology of Religions (New York, NY: Orbis Books, 1990),
pp. 192212 (p. 200).
35 Milbank, p. 181.
36 Something of this is detectable in a comment of Don Carsons to the effect that It is crucial
that we learn the gospel and proclaim it. But it is also vitally important to understand that
the people to whom we speak bring with them their own particular prejudices, back-
grounds and biases. . . . [W]e must address the cultural presuppositions of our hearers so
that we do not unwittingly obscure the gospel. Don A. Carson, The Worldview Clash,
Southern Cross Quarterly (Summer, 1998), reprinted www.focus.org.uk/carson.htm. Are not
Christians also equally culturally embedded, and the way the Gospel is heard, received,
and then proclaimed to others coloured by that embeddedness? The church is too close
to, and bound up with, its host cultures for it ever to be able to declare itself (its truth and
truthfulness) over against those cultures. As Graham Ward argues, Christian utterance
is constructed out of the cultural materials at hand. It is not homogenous but always
hybrid, improvised and implicated in networks of association which exceed various forms
of institutional, individual or sectarian policing. Furthermore, since Christians are also
members of other associations, networks and institutions, what is both internal and exter-
nal to Christian identity (and its continuing formation) is fixed. Graham Ward, Barth,
Hegel and the Possibility for Christian Apologetics in Conversing With Barth, Mike A.
Higton and John C. McDowell (eds), (Aldershot: Ashgate, forthcoming).
37 Rowan Williams, On Christian Theology (Oxford: Blackwell, 2000), p. 3. This makes ideol-
ogy sound more like a matter of rationalisation, of ideas imagined to be infallible that con-
sequently evade self-critical testing of their genetics, interests, and exclusions of the
interests of others, than a matter of the very constitution of social subjects themselves.
38 Karl Barth, The Christian Life: Church Dogmatics IV.4 Lecture Fragments, trans. George W.
Bromiley (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1981), p. 224. Terry Eagleton rightly warns, however,
that one persons bondage and rigidity is anothers freedom and open-mindedness. See
Terry Eagleton, Ideology: An Introduction (New York and London: Verso, 1991), p. 4.
39 Barth, 1981, p. 227.
40 See, e.g., CD, I.1, p. 83. As human constructs, theological language and meaning occupy
a space that is to be continually set in motion through fresh openness to the self-giving of
the Word. See CD, I.1, pp. 12, 258ff. Certainty and assurance cannot pertain to any human
endeavours, but can only be obtained momentarily in fresh renewals of the revelatory
event.
41 See CD, I.1, pp. 15, 27, 65, 203, 300.
42 Eagleton argues that the claim that all discourse is ideological erases any sense from the
term ideology since it requires that we can hope that in any particular situation you
must be able to point to what counts as non-ideological (Ideology, p. 9).
43 Karl Barth, Karl Barths Table Talk, ed. John D. Godsey (Edinburgh and London: Oliver and
Boyd, 1963), p. 63.
44 Karl Barth, Foreword to the English Edition in Otto Weber, Karl Barths Church Dogmat-
ics: An Introductory Report on Volumes I/1-III/4 (London: Lutterworth Press, 1953), p. 8.
45 Barth, 1953, p. 8.
46 Significantly Gordon Clark, approaching the CD with the expectation (or at least desire)
to discover a coherent system, puzzles over a thinker who seems to hesitate to affirm that
theology is systematic and logical and yet whose actual practice is often explicitly sys-
tematic. Gordon Clark, Karl Barths Theological Method, second edition (Hobbs, NM: The
Trinity Foundation, 1997), pp. 63, 66.
47 Barth, 1963, p. 19.
48 See Adolf von Harnack in H. Martin Rumscheidt (ed.), Revelation and Theology: An Analy-
sis of the Barth-Harnack Correspondence of 1923 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,
1972), p. 39.
49 Barth in Rumscheidt, 1972, p. 40.
50 Mark C. Taylor, Text as Victim in T. J. J. Altizer (ed.), Deconstruction and Theology (New
York, NY: Crossroad, 1982), p. 65.
51 See Karl Barth, The Epistle to the Romans, trans. of sixth edition by Edwin C. Hoskyns
(Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1968), p. 7.
52 Barth, in Rumscheidt, 1972, p. 52.
53 Milbank, p. 189. This notion of conversation qualifies Milbanks appeal to the incom-
mensurability of narratives. For instance, he claims that the religions remain different
accounts of Being itself or what there is Ibid., p. 189.
54 Barth, 1968, p. 1.
55 Richard H. Roberts, Theology and the Social Sciences in The Modern Theologians, David
F. Ford (ed.), second edition (Oxford: Blackwell, 1997), pp. 700719 (p. 716).
of the word . . . [is] prayer, preaching, baptism, and Holy Communion. Protestantism
and Architecture, trans. Louise R. Ritenour, Theology Today Vol. 19 (1962), p. 272.
70 Several commentators have observed how an almost musical sense of style and timing
pervades the CD. See T. F. Torrance, Karl Barth: An Introduction to His Early Theology
19101931 (London: SCM Press, 1962), pp. 23ff.; George Hunsinger, How to Read Karl Barth:
The Shape of His Theology (New York, NY: Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 28; John
Bowden, Karl Barth (London: SCM Press, 1971), p. 24.
71 Theodore A. Gill, Barth and Mozart, Theology Today Vol. 43 no. 4 (1986), pp. 403411
(p. 404).
72 Gill, p. 405.
73 Karl Barth, How I Changed My Mind, ed. John Godsey (Edinburgh: The Saint Andrew Press,
1969), pp. 71f. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, pp. 33f.: What he translated into music was real
life in all its discord. But in defiance of that, and on the sure foundation of Gods good
creation, and because of that, he moves always from left to right, never the reverse.
74 Geoff Thompson, however, claims that Barths Mozart texts draw a distinction between
parable and Gospel; whereas in IV.3.1, 69.2 Gleichnis is synonymous with Gospel.
Consequently, Thompson asserts that Barth was primarily interested in Mozarts capac-
ity to listen to and hear creation, and not in his ability to reveal . . . As Open to the world
as any theologian could be . . .? Karl Barths Account of Extra Ecclesial Truth and its Value to
Christianitys Encounter with Other Religious Traditions (unpublished Ph.D Thesis, Cam-
bridge, 1995), Appendix C. However, (1) Barth appears to claim for Mozart a special divine
inspiration [Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, p. 27]. Therefore, the resultant music would be an
inspired witness. (2) In practice, Barths high regard for Mozarts music sets the latter
almost on the plane of theological sainthood, raising theological questions about creation
itself. He even in 1968 suggested, albeit slightly tongue-in-cheek, that Mozart be beatified
if not canonised. Cited in Eberhard Busch, Karl Barth: His Life from Letters and Autobio-
graphical Texts, trans. John Bowden (London: SCM Press, 1976), p. 493; cf. CD, III.3, p. 299.
(3) Why would Barth use a key term, such as Gleichnis, in such a contrary way in a short
time-period (195659)? (4) The text cited above from 1958 clearly calls Mozart a parable
of grace. See How I Changed My Mind, pp. 71f.
75 Barth is often accused of permitting natural theology to enter in by the back door. See,
e.g., Emil Brunner, The New Barth: Observations on Karl Barths Doctrine of Man, Scot-
tish Journal of Theology Vol. 4 (1951), pp. 123135; Robert Palma, Karl Barths Theology of
Culture: The Freedom of Culture for the Praise of God (Allison Park, PA: Pittsburgh Theologi-
cal Monographs, Pickwick Publications, 1983), p. 75; Ray S. Anderson, Barth and a New
Direction for Natural Theology in John Thompson (ed.), Theology Beyond Christendom:
Essays on the Centenary of the Birth of Karl Barth (Allison Park, PA: Pickwick Publications,
1986), pp. 241266.
76 This kind of move, according to Marshall, is a suggestion that supposedly alien dis-
course has a legitimate and traceable location within the communitys comprehensive
vision of the world. Bruce D. Marshall, Absorbing the World: Christianity and the Uni-
verse of Truths in Bruce D. Marshall (ed.), Theology and Dialogue: Essays in Conversation
with George Lindbeck (Notre Dame, IN: University of Notre Dame Press, 1990), pp. 69102
(p. 74).
77 Barth famously states that God may speak to us through Russian Communism, a flute
concerto, a blossoming shrub, or a dead dog. We do well to listen to Him if He really
does (CD, I.1, p. 55). However, he follows this with an injunction, But, unless we regard
ourselves as the prophets and founders of a new Church, we cannot say that we are com-
missioned to pass on what we have heard as independent proclamation.
78 Barth, Against the Stream: Shorter Post-War Writings 194652, trans. E. M. Delacour and S.
Godman (London: SCM Press, 1954), pp. 81, 86; cf. p. 98. For Barth, of course, this care-
fully delineated sense of political unfinalisability does not justify Christian political pas-
sivity. The Church cannot live in permanent retreat, however pleasant its dreams as it
sleeps away its mission to mankind. If the Church must remain free, above the changing
political systems, this very freedom necessarily implies that the Church should partici-
pate in these events (p. 89).
79 Later in CD IV.3 Barth articulates the sense of this in terms of what he calls the little light
of creation (CD, IV.3.1, 69.2).
80 The very eventfulness of grace in Barth requires careful handling so as not to disrupt the
direction in which he moves towards a secular sensibility. It can, if not qualified, suggest
an occasionalism (a charge put by Bonhoeffer) and that is, then, not too far removed from
a modified (because it is still heard through mediating elements) revelational immediacy
(a charge made by Moltmann), and again that the created order functions merely as a
backdrop for grace (a charge levelled by Hendrikus Berkhof). Overplaying the eventful-
ness of grace prevents an adequate reconceptualising of theology beyond the kinds of
dualism that seems to render all events of grace arbitrary interruptions into creaturely
existence.
81 Rowan Williams, p. 330.
82 Marshall expresses this well when articulating the implications of any theological absorb-
ing the world: consider all discourse, and therefore all possible truth, to make a claim
upon the communitys scripturally normed project of interpretation and assessment
(Marshall, 1990, p. 77). The point of theological undertakings funded by this metaphor
[viz. absorbing the world] is precisely not, as the objection suggests, to replace the world
with the scriptural text, or to treat the text as a means of escape from within the world,
but to interpret the world (all of it) through the text. Since we know the open-ended
engagement with whatever truth claims are being made in the times and places in which
the Christian community exists. This engagement is open-ended in at least two ways: it
is always a necessary task, and it is always an incomplete task (Marshall, 1990, p. 84).
83 Donald E. Allen and Rebecca F. Guy, Conversation Analysis: The Sociology of Talk (The
Hague: Mouton, 1974), p. 239.
84 See William Placher, Unapologetic Theology: A Christian Voice in a Pluralistic Conversation
(Louisville, KY: Westminster/John Knox Press, 1989), p. 81.
85 Cf. David Tracy, Plurality and Ambiguity: Hermeneutics, Religion, Hope (London: SCM Press,
1987), p. 23.
86 Karl Barth, Protestant Theology in the Nineteenth Century: Its Background and History, trans.
Brian Cozens and John Bowden (London: SCM Press, 1972), p. 17.
87 Bernard Lonergan, Method in Theology (New York, NY: The Seabury Press, 1972), p. 231.
88 Placher, p. 149.
89 Marshall notes that a refusal to fix stable interpretative criteria can critically respond to a
certain form of the charge of theological fideismthat of an imperialistic foreclosure of
conversation. Yet that refusal to stabilise the criteria is still to be differentiated from any
notion that all of our beliefs are put at hazard whenever we enter into conversation with
those who hold beliefs different from our own. Even so, Christians surely ought to be
prepared for the possibility that encounters with alien belief systems may give them good
reasons to give up or revise at least some of their beliefs, even if there is no external
standard for deciding when this should happen or which beliefs should be changed
(Marshall, 1990, p. 90).
90 Barth, 1972, p. 52. Barth follows his opening remarks in his Protestant Theology in the Nine-
teenth Century with the claims that Of course, there is no method, not even a theological
one, by means of which we can be certain of catching sight of theology. In this way, too,
it can escape us, because we are inadequate to the task it poses (p. 15). Characteristically,
however, Barth cannot let the matter rest there and comments on the risky, but necessary,
venture of theology.
91 Karl Barth, Liberal TheologyAn Interview in Final Testimonies (Grand Rapids, MI:
Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1977), pp. 34ff.
92 David F. Ford, Self and Salvation: Being Transformed (Cambridge: Cambridge University
Press, 1999), p. 271.
93 David F. Ford, Salvation and the Nature of Theology: A Response to John Websters
Review of Self and Salvation: Being Transformed, Scottish Journal of Theology Vol. 54 (2001),
pp. 560575 (pp. 566f.).
94 Ronald Wardhaugh, How Conversation Works (Oxford: Blackwell, 1985), p. 7: In order to
participate in conversation, you must be a willing party to a certain worldview. . . . You
may have reservations about certain matters, but unless you are prepared to meet others
on common ground and ignore differences which can only be divisive there is little hope
that any kind of communication will occur. Cf. Allen and Guy, p. 11. But it may be the
case that the only commonality that is required is the willingness to engage in conversa-
tion. As Placher observes, particular conversations can start from whatever their partici-
pants happened to share and go from there (Placher, p. 12). A genuine pluralism does
not force us all to share the same assumptions, but it finds ways in which we can talk with
one another.
95 As Milbank makes clear in his monumental Theology and Social Theory, even the most
radical Western notions of justice and freedom, and for the purposes of his paperdia-
logueare merely secular shadows of those learned from liberalisms Christian past (par-
ticularly, for Milbank, the past/tradition that is seen to be at its best in Aquinas), and as
such are not well served by secularity.
96 Christians have reasons internal to their traditions for conversationtherefore there is no
need for them to look for universally justifying reasons to converse or rules to guide their
conversational performance before the conversation has even begun. As mentioned
earlier, Christians must insist that human activity is dialectically in constant dependence,
and that dependence is recognised as being the fruit of an originatory, establishing and
generative absolute dependence. Prayer, then, forms the beginning point (logically speak-
ing) of the theological conversations of those who witness to humanity in Christs having
been conversed with, and simultaneously having listened to the O/other.
97 Milbank, pp. 188, 189. Tolerance is a good start, being better than violent forms of dis-
agreement. However, it is only a start and is shallow unless enriched. As Ian Markham
suggests, We need to move beyond tolerance, to active engagement and concern in the
life of others. See Ian S. Markham, Plurality and Christian Ethics (Cambridge: Cambridge
University Press, 1994), p. 188. Yet, there is a danger lurking in the active voice of
Milbanks idea of out-narrationit can, if left unchecked, render the process of listening
to what is truly other unspeakable. Romand Coles discovers the trouble in the limits that
Milbank ascribes to the Holy Spirit: What if the Holy Spirit, as indefinite spiritual
response, as radically external relationality partially exceeds the Church? . . . Might
not the Spirits response lie in multiplicitous realities with no such Christian self-
consciousness? Storied Others and Possibilities of Caritas: Milbank and Neo-
Nietzschean Ethics, Modern Theology Vol. 8 no. 4 (October, 1992), pp. 331350 (p. 349).
98 Milbank, p. 189.
99 Pinnocks sense of creation, by contrast, is insufficiently eschatologically nuanced. He
seems to secure Christian identity so as to open avenues of apologetic argument with
those whose identities are formed elsewhere, and yet who can, with a little bit of coaxing,
see from the universe the unambiguous hand of God. However, as David Burrell argues,
we are never in a secure place either to argue down another, or even to know another. See
David B. Burrell, Friends in Conversation in Eric O. Springsted (ed.), Spirituality and
Theology: Essays in Honour of Diogenes Allen (Louisville, KY: Westminster/John Knox Press,
1998), p. 29.
100 Paul Ricoeur: To keep silent is not the same as to be dumb, however. To keep silent is to
let things be said by others. Silence opens a space for hearing. On Accusation in Alas-
dair MacIntyre and Paul Ricoeur, The Religious Significance of Atheism (New York, NY:
Columbia University Press, 1969), pp. 6179 (pp. 73f.).
101 Pace Allen and Guy, p. 240.
102 J. L. Austin, How to Do Things With Words, second edition (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1975),
p. 60.
103 Wardhaugh, pp. 39f. For example, two people in a village discussing the mornings
weather are performing much more than providing information.
104 Martin Buber, Between Man and Man, trans. Ronald Gregor Smith (London: Collins, 1961),
p. 47.
105 Burrell, p. 33.
106 Burrell, p. 36: [W]e are all called to a radical unknowing in the face of the offer of divine
friendship extended to us, and so stimulated to let go of our endemic desire to protect our
own life, reputation, and opinions.
107 One needs to remember, however, the partialness of the conversational metaphor with ref-
erence to texts. On this, see Nicholas Lash, Easter in Ordinary: Reflections on Human Expe-
rience and the Knowledge of God (London: SCM Press, 1988), p. 6.