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19 ................ ................................ Did Zurara not Know the Imam of his Time?
37 ....................... What is the Value of the Hadiths used by Ahmad Al Hassans Cult?
42 ......................... Disagreement Regarding Al Sadooqs Authentication of Al Faqeh
45 ......................... What is the Definition of the Companian According to the Shias?
45 ... Can we rely on Sayed Jaffar Murtadha Al Amelis Books when Debating with Sunnis?
45 ........... What are the Books that you suggest us to read to be able to Debate Sunnis?
47 ... Can we rely on AlMilani, AlAmeli, and AlAskaris Books when Debating with Sunnis?
47 ....... What do you think of what Shikh AlGhezi said regarding the Shia Sience of Rijal?
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Alaikum Al Salam Shaykh,
If you look closely to what he was saying, you will see that in most
cases his words can be interpret to changes in Taweel & NOT Tanzeel. The
same Theory that Scholars like Shikh Al Mofeed and Al Mirza Al Noori
spoke about in their books. Old Scholars used to call this theory Tahreef
Al Quran, but it is not the Tahreef that we know today. For these reasons,
I cannot claim that Al Jazaeri did believe in Tahreef. And if and ONLY if, he
did believe in Tahreef while writing the previous books, then we must
believe that he did CHANGE this belief before he died. Particularly, when
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However, he did also speak about three other things that need
clarifications, which are:
3- Criticizing the way Quran spell some words: Quran as it is today was
written during the days of Ahlulbayt and by their support and the support
of the Shia. If Ahlulbayt and their Shia were not happy with that sensitive
issue, then we would have heard it from them somehow and it will be
wildly spread just like the issue of the Adhaan. So, Al Jazaeri is wrong in
his criticism, even though it has nothing to do with Tahreef.
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Does Al Kulayni believe in all what he narrated in Al Kafi?
Jazak Allah khair for this most amazing response, It has clarified the
doubts I once had about these two means of tawtheeq.
namely:
3) Have you got any work on the following issues which to me are of less
importance than the first two questions:
a) Hisham ibn al Hakam (RA), Hisham ibn Salim al-Jawaliqi (RA), Mo'min
al-Taq and Yunus bin Abdur Rahman (RA) on the issue of Tajseem i.e
refuting the accusations.
b) Shaykh al Jaleel Zurarah ibn Ayun (RA) and the issue of whether or not
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he believed in Imam al-Kadhim's (AS) Imamah
I'm sorry to disturb you so much shaykh, its just I've found you are able
to provide me with daleel, and other rijaliyyun being amateurs
sometimes will actually accuse these great companions of these things
because they have no ability to reconcile issues and piece together the
different jigsaw clues from our works.
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Alaikum Al Salam Shaykha,
Thank you very much for being nice, and for your nice words that I
certainly do not deserve.
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He is saying "No one can distinguish between the contradictory
Hadiths except by doing what Ahlulbayt told us to do by Taking what
agrees with Quran, Leaving what agrees with Non-Shias, Taking what
agrees with Ejma, and we only know few of such Hadiths. And the best
thing to do is to return this knowledge to its people, and accept what we
can contain". So, Al Kulayni is not claiming that the 16000 Hadiths he
narrated are all authentic. He is just saying that the only way to know the
authentic Hadiths is by using the Ejtihad tools that Ahlulbayt taught us.
From his words you can also tell that he believes there are only few
Hadiths that we can be certain they are authentic. So, I don't think he was
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1. An Adequate book: However, this book was not enough for our
Generation or the old Generations, since Al Sadooq & Al Tosi wrote their
famous Books after him.
Chain wise:
Content wise:
3. With Ahlulbayt Hadiths only: Not all of the narrations in al Kafi came
from Ahlulbayt. In fact, Al Kulayni ended some of his chains with some of
Ahlulbayt's companions, and Al Khudr, and even with some Non-Shias like
Ibn Bukair.
By looking at all of these signs, and many others that I have not
mentioned, I see no reason to claim that the 16000 Narration that is in al
Kafi is all authentic. Instead, I feel comfortable to claim that Al Kafi include
many Hadiths that are weak Chain & Content wise.
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2) Same question in regards to Shaykh Ibn Babuwayh al Saduq (RA) and
his amazing work- Man La Yahduruhu Faqih
It is clear that Shikh Al Sadooq did believe that all the Hadiths he
mentioned in his book Man La Yahdaraho Al Faqeeh is Hujja according to
his Ejtihad. He clearly made this statement in his book 1/2-3:
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However, this does not necessarily mean that his Ejtihad was
accepted by all of the Shias. In the end it is an Ejtihad of a single Human
Being. Just like the Ejtihad of the Sunni Scholars who thought that they
gathered only Authentic Hadiths in their books like Ibn Khuzaima in his
Saheh, Ibn Haban in his Saheh and Al Hakim in His Mustadrak.
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3) Have you got any work on the following issues which to me are of
less importance than the first two questions:
All the narrations that I saw regarding the names you mentioned
were weak, except 2 narrations that speak about the Two Hishams only.
When I looked further into the two authentic narrations besides other
signs, I concluded that the whole issue was based over a
misunderstanding from the narrators.
Either way, the two authentic narrations that I found are as follows:
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it does not show the content it was said in. So, this Hadith by itself cannot
be used to accuse Hisham that he believes Allah is on the image of a Young
Man. Besides that, there is a possibility that the narrator misunderstood
Hisham. Because we have a narration that explains the Young Man Hadith
and says that when the Prophet saw Allah, the Prophet was in the image
of a Young Man and not Allah. Here is the full Hadith:
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This Hadith, as well, cannot be used to accuse Hisham of anything,
because it does not tell us what he exactly he has said, and it does not
shows us the content it was said in. So, there is a big place for the
possibility that Hisham was somehow misunderstood. And we have 3
signs that make this possibility very acceptable. They are as follows:
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misunderstood even stronger. Because, maybe Hisham was emphasizing
that Allah is a REAL THING, but the narrators thought he was proving a
Material Body for Allah.
Sign#2: If Hisham Ibn Al Hakam really said that Allah is a body, then this is
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The first people who accused Zurara of not knowing the Imam of
his time are the Zaidis. They said this because they saw some Hadiths that
says when Imam Al Sadiq died Zurara sent his son to bring him THE NEWS
(the Hadith did not say what exactly he wanted). However, Zurara became
very sick before his son's return. So, he took the Quran, and told the
people around him that he BELIEVES in the Imam who's MENTIONED in
QURAN. When Imam Al Kadhem heard this he read the verse 4:100, which
means that Zurara was rewarded for his actions.
The only Authentic narrations that I found mentioning this story are
the following ( Ekhtiar Marifat Al Rijal 1/371-373):
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What is the Value of the Hadiths used by Ahmad Al Hassans Cult?
Thank you for these excellent responses, the responses about Zurarah are the
ones that particularly interest me at the moment as this shows that the
accusation of his ignorance vis a vis the last Imam (AS) of his time is excusable.
Is it possible that the previous Imam (AS) might have been cryptic in regards
to the identity of his successor due to Zurarah being a profound debater
and hence perhaps felt it was dangerous to directly disclose the information to
him, but rather acted cryptically i.e "You'll find his name in the Qur'an".
Musa: 136
Idris: 2 Adam: 25
As you can see no other Prophet is mentioned even HALF as much as the name
of Musa, so if Zurarah knew that a major claimant to the Imamate was Musa
b. Jafar (AS) and was told to look in the Qur'an for his name, clearly he would
have found the answer.
Lastly Shaykhna,
Have you prepared any dissection of the Ahadith used by the followers of
Ahmed al-Hassan, we are witnessing many converting to this cult and I feel
something must be done to destroy their dawah?
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Alaikum Al Salam Shaykh,
The possibility you have mentioned is not wrong, and if it does not
fit the case of Zurarah, then it does fit cases of other companions. As you
know, there were cases were the governments wanted to kill the Imam,
and they were successful in the end. If it was easy to know who the Imam
was after him, then it will also be easy to get rid of him at once. So, our
Imams took some precautious steps to prevent or delay the
assassinations. One of the ways was giving their companions hints instead
of declaring names. Things like the Imam:
Shikh Asad Al Hak made series of lectures refuting all of their claims
in detail. I can find them for you if you want. He also made few debates
with them, and they are in the following link:
http://www.noor14m.com/sound/sound_index.php
I did receive few Hadiths from one of their followers while he was
visiting Bahrain to spread their thoughts. After looking at them, I found
out that their ideology is based over lies. Here are the Haditihs he
provided with their quick refutations:
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The Hadith's Content: Imam Ali Said "The first among them is from Al
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The Hadith's Content: Imam Al Baqir Said "Al Qaem has two names,
Private & Public. The Private is Ahmad, the Public is Muhammad".
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The Hadith's Refutation:
If you have any Hadith that needs refutation, please let me know
about it.
Nas'alakum Al Dua,
Abu Yaqeen
15/9/2011
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Disagreement Regarding Al Sadooqs Authentication of Al Faqeh
Salaam 'Alaikum Shaykhna,
I just wanted to point out my disagreement with what you said about
Shaykh b. Babuwayh vis a vis his book al-Faqih
You said:
"It is clear that Shikh Al Sadooq did believe that all the Hadiths he
mentioned in his book Man La Yahdaraho Al Faqeeh is Hujja according
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1) Sadooq states at the start that he never disagrees with his teacher
Shaykh Ibn al Waleed, yet also includes isnads of people and states that
Ibn al-Waleed considered them "ghayr thiqah":
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Source:
I found other scholars concluding the same as myself, in fact two of these
examples were taken directly from the book Rasa'il al Usooliyyah, by
Allamah Waheed al-Bihbihani (I could not find an online copy) who has an
entire bab in his book called Tadhaeef of Shaykh Saduq in his book al-
Faqih.
This does not mean however, that I don't think we have to scrutinise the
content of these narrations, in order to see if they are taqiyyah etc.
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Alaikum Al Salam my Shaykh,
I believe in all what you have said. The quotations you provided
indeed prove that Al Sadooq weaken the chains & the content of some of
the Hadiths he narrated in Man La Yahdharaho Al Faqeh.
Thank you very much for clarifying this important issue for me. May
Allah reward you for it.
Nas'alakum Al Dua,
Abu Yaqeen
15/9/2011
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What is the Definition of the Companian According to the Shias?
What are the Books that you suggest us to read to be able to Debate
Sunnis?
One of the Shia brothers wanted some help for me regarding Ta'reef
alsahabi
i got the sunni sources and gave it to him however he needs to know what
the view of shia is regarding who a sahabi is.
yahya recommended i should check dirayat alhadith for shahid althani i
am going to check that out however i need more sources.
so u know any books where shias say who a sahabi is and who isnt?
perhaps shaykh almufeed or saduq or majlisi.
ws wr wb
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Alaikum Al Salam Brother,
so u know any books where shias say who a sahabi is and who isnt?
Shias don't have a specific definition for the Term Sahabi, because
this term does not have any religious value to us. That's why you will see
our scholars call some narrators companion of Imam Al Redha even
though they never met. So, to us we will recognize a narrator who lives
during a certain Imam as his companion, even if he never met the Imam
and even if he does not believe he is an Imam.
Sayed Jaffar Murtadha Al Amili's Books & Sayed Ali Al Milani's Books
can only be used as Archives, but you cannot rely on them for debate,
because they are full of mistakes. Instead you can read and listen to Sayed
Kamal Al Haidari who is accurate in what he says, and who knows what
sources are really Hujja on the Sunnis in General and Salafies in Particular.
Also you can check the books of Shikh Ali AlMohsen and Shikh
Hassan Abdulah Al Ajami. Both of them are great. Here are their websites:
http://www.almohsin.org/
http://www.h-alajmi.com/
Nas'alakum Al Dua,
Abu Yaqeen
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Can we rely on AlMilani, AlAmeli, and AlAskaris Books when
Debating with Sunnis?
What do you think of what Shikh AlGhezi said regarding the Shia
Sience of Rijal?
Sallamun alaykum
What about alquds work I find it is among the best
Also what about the book alsahih min Sirat alrasul do u consider it full of
flaws or has few mistakes.
What do u think of abaqat alanwar I heard it's one of the best
compilation to prove imamah
What about the book alghadir by alamini
What do u think of Murtadha askari?
I've got a few of Sayed ali milanis books and they seem good like the
book on tahreef
My final question is I saw the main scholar on mawaddah channel and
he showed how weak we are if we rely on narrators as Sunnis do
because we don't have the rival books Sunnis do and as I understand
listening to people that if we are to rely on narrators only then much of
shiasim will be lost so I was wondering if u have any answer to this
problem and if u could mention a book which solves this problem I
would appreciate it
Also do u know any book has been written criticising Sunni Hadith
methodology?
I apologise for a lot of questions inshallah u can answer me
Ws wr wb
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Alaikum Al Salam,
You can learn good things from all the books and the people you
have mentioned. However, when debating you should never rely on what
they say without verify it by yourself, because their books do include lots
of gaps in terms of the following:
1. Their researches focused on Sunni books only, and tend to avoid what
is in the Shia books. So, they may deny something that has been proven
in our books, or they may criticize Sunnis of something that the Shia may
have it as well.
2. Sometimes they take what they quote out of context, so if you limit
yourself with what they say you may not get the full image of the proof.
3. Some of them (especially al Milani) does not always narrate the exact
quote, instead he narrate the meaning of what he understood. Which
means that if you use any sort of search engine, you may not find what he
is refereeing to.
4. Most of them use the old arguments and sources, which only worked
at the time when Shia was dealing with Mutazila & Asha'era and not with
today's Salafies.
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By saying this, I don't mean that you should disregard those books,
in fact I do look at what they say in my researches. However, I do not limit
myself to them, and I do not rely on what they say. Instead, I double check
what they quote, further investigate their arguments, and try to extend
my research beyond the sources they used. I simply ask you to do the
same if you want to spread the knowledge of Ahlulbayt.
I saw the main scholar on mawaddah channel and he showed how weak
we are if we rely on narrators as Sunnis do
All the criticism that he mentioned against the science of Rijal works
only on the Sunnis (who believes Weak Hadith = Fabricated), but it does
not work on the Shia (who believe there are many ways to accept Weak
Hadiths).
Our Science of Hadith is taken from Ahlulbayt, just like our Feqh &
Aqeda. So, if you rely on the basics that Ahlulbayt gave us regarding the
Hadith, then you will be able to distinguish between the Hadiths that can
be used as a Hujja from the rest.
Sorry, I did not understand this argument, can you clarify it?
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and if u could mention a book which solves this problem I would
appreciate it
Also do u know any book has been written criticising Sunni Hadith
methodology?
I don't know of a Book that gathers all the answers. However, these
answers are spread in the Rijal Books that Shia have. You can begin with
Shikh Jaffar Al Subhani book:
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Isma in the Shia Traditions
salam brother
2. Also these words, Masoom Isma, did the imams ever use them or did
us shias make it up?
3. Also are there any big name old scholars who have the same belief of
Isma of the imams like we do today?
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Alaikum Al Salam Brother,
2. Also these words, Masoom Isma, did the imams ever use them or did
us shias make it up?
Yes, the Imams did use the word Isma in Tons of Hadiths. Here is an
example with Authentic Chain:
3. Also are there any big name old scholars who have the same belief of
Isma of the imams like we do today?
Yes, Shikh Al Toosi has the same belief in Isma like us, and he is from
the old scholars. Also, Alama Al Majlisi said in Bihar Al Anwar (30):
"The belief of all our Scholars except Al Sadooq & his Teacher Ibn Al
Waleed is that the Imams & the Prophets are infallible from minor and
major sins, tensional or intentionally, before or after Prophethood and
Imama, starting from this birth till their death."
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Did Imam Ali use Hadith Al Ghadeer as a proof for Imama?
I have seen the argument that Imamis make, which is that the context
("Do I not have more authority over you than yourselves?") shows that
mawla means leader, not friend, and it is quite convincing...
The same applies to the sahaba. If the Prophet's designation of the Imam
as his successor had been that explicit and that public, how could Abu
Bakr become khalifa without some major dispute which involved the
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argument that "what are you doing?! The Prophet already appointed!"
Wasalam.
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Alaikum Al Salam brother,
According to the tareekh I have read, Imam Ali (A) never used this
argument to show his right to the khalifate during Abu Bakr's struggle
for caliphate, nor during the shura for Uthmaan's khalifate. Ghadeer
Khum was only mentioned in the bay`ah given to him in his war against
the khawaaraj;
The claim that History books are empty from Imam Alis argument
of Ghadeer Khum is certainly wrong. There are many Sunni & Shia sources
that mentioned Imam Alis argument in many different places and times.
The following are some example:
Saleem Ibn Qays (31): Imam Ali said that Prophet Muhammad ordered Abu
Baker among 7 companions to make Baya for him. He added that Abu
Baker & Omar asked the Prophet if this was from him or from Allah, and
that Prophet said from Allah (referring to the event of Ghadeer). Note that
the chain of Saleems book is authentic.
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Mawla, and Allah said Today, I have completed your religion. Then,
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Omar that any sin that would be commited after that day will be held
against those who do not chose him as a Khalifa, because the Prophet said
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The same applies to the sahaba. If the Prophet's designation of the
Imam as his successor had been that explicit and that public, how could
Abu Bakr become khalifa without some major dispute which involved
the argument that "what are you doing?! The Prophet already
appointed!"
Abu Baker becoming a Khalifa without major dispute does not make
us point our accusation fingers towards the Hadith. Instead we should
point it towards the companions who understood the Hadith correctly,
but did not obey the Hadith. Here is an example that shows how the
companions interpreted the Hadith:
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As you can see, Abu Ayoob and a group of al Ansar believe that they
are NOT free people, and that Imam Ali is their Master. All of that is based
over Hadith al Ghadeer.
So, we cannot claim that the Hadith was not clear. Instead we
should blame the whole Umma for not defending the Truth. The Umma,
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A Discussion with a Christian Regarding Jesus in the Bible
I believe God is the Trinity; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They
are one in the same but three separate entities...if that makes sense. All
three elements need to be in place for a Christian to truly have faith.
And as you see with this believer, it is often difficult to explain. Faith, in
this complicated matter, is the key to the understanding.
God has left so many things for humans that they will never
understand...that's where Faith comes in to the picture!
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Hello,
We believe that there are things that are Beyond Logic, but there
are others that Contradict Logic.
Faith must be based over sound reasoning, and not illogical claims.
This is the only fair way in which Humanity will be judged in the day of
Judgment and will be held responsible of.
Thank you,
Abu Yaqeen
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Hi ****:
Oh how I love our discussions! Here are some thoughts on the Trinity
as discussed with my friend *******!
You are correct--the word "trinity" does not exist in any
Bible translation I am aware of. Trinity simply means "three"
and the concept of the "Blessed Trinity" or the "Holy Trinity"
actually does exist in the Bible, as I will show. But these
two terms--which is what the term "trinity" evokes in most
people--were coined by extra-Biblical people. And the way it
is defined by say, the Catholic Church is arguable. It seems
to me this originally came about via the Nicene Creed.
But to begin with, let's look at how the concept of a holy
Trinity exists in the Bible, and then
look at where the term Holy Trinity comes from after than.
Concept of a holy trinity -- Biblical
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We get a clue that there is more than just God in the beginning
in Genesis 3:22 (the 'Us' is capitalized in the scripture)--
| Then the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become
| like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he
| might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree
| of life, and eat, and live forever 23 therefore
| the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden,
| to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
| In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
| God, and the Word was God.
|
| The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not
| any thing made that was made.
So, Jesus is the incarnate Son of God who in the beginning was
the Word. And then the Word dwelling among us in the flesh
uses the terms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all together in
one passage, and in others making references Himself to both
the Father (or God) and the Holy Spirit in a number of ways.
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| Father which speaketh in you.
John 7:37-39
| In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus
| stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him
| come unto me, and drink.
|
| He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
| out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
|
| (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that
| believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost
| was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet
| glorified.)
Some may say, doesn't this contradict Luke 4:1 because they
would wonder how Jesus could be full of the Holy Ghost when
he says here that it is not yet given. It is not yet given
to any but He at this point. But he clarifies this for us
in later verse, in two different places.
John 15:26-27 --
| But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
| you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
| proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
|
| And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been
| with me from the beginning.
John 16:6-13
But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow
hath filled your heart.
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see me no more;
John 1:14 --
| And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
| (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
| begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:17 --
| For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth
| came by Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 --
| Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
| the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 16:13 (Jesus speaking again of the Holy Spirit as "___ of Truth"
| Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will
| guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of
| himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he
| speak: and he will show you things to come.
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And as to the fact that people say the Holy Trinity is the
"Godhead" or that God is three things, we have already seen
in Luke 4:1 that Jesus was fill of the Holy Spirit. Now in
John 14:10 we see that the Father is in Him, and He in the
Father:
| Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
| Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak
| not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me,
| he doeth the works.
How can all this be? People struggle with it all the time.
How can you have three lit candles in one room but have one
light filling it?
Mark 15:37
| And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
Mark 15:39
| And when the centurion, which stood over against him,
| saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said,
| Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46
| And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
| Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having
| said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 19:30
| When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It
| is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
One last point. After Jesus was resurrected and just before He
ascended to Heaven, He gave on last direction to the Apostles
and disciples around them, and this has become known as the
Great Commission. It is a commandment. Here it is:
Matthew 28:19--
| Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
| them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
| and of the Holy Ghost
This is why you hear "in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost" in church.
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Hello,
Thanks for the explanations. I will respond to the verses that deals
with the main issue.
We get a clue that there is more than just God in the beginning
in Genesis 3:22 (the 'Us' is capitalized in the scripture)--
| Then the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become
| like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he
| might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree
| of life, and eat, and live forever 23 therefore
| the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden,
| to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
"Us" Here, is not referring to God, Son, and the Holy Ghost. There are
many creations that were created before humans like Angels, Genes and
possibly other creations.
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Us? Who is the "Us"? We get another clue in John 1:1 --
| In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
| God, and the Word was God.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with The God, and the
Word was Devine".
Since "Theos" can simply mean divine, and it does not have "The"
before it, then it should not necessarily be translated as God, but it can be
translated as Divine.
"In the beginning was The Intellect, and The Intellect was with The God,
and The Intellect was Devine".
By the way, this agrees with the Authentic Islamic Tradition which
says the thing that was created before anything else was "The Intellect"
(61).
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And as to the fact that people say the Holy Trinity is the
"Godhead" or that God is three things, we have already seen
in Luke 4:1 that Jesus was fill of the Holy Spirit. Now in
John 14:10 we see that the Father is in Him, and He in the
Father:
| Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
| Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak
| not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me,
| he doeth the works.
John 14:20
"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are
in me, and I am in you".
John 17:20
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will
believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one,
Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so
that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them
the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in
them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the
world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have
loved me.
As you can see, Jesus is not claiming that he or his Disciples are Gods.
He is just saying that he is a messenger that was sent by God, and that his
Disciples will be his messengers to the people after him. All of them being
in God and God being in them means that they have the Guidance and the
Authority of God.
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From what weve seen, all what you have mentioned does not
prove that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Gods or that they are equal.
It just say that they are, like the Disciples, have the same Authority, which
came from God as the main source. That is the same idea that exists also
in Islam. The Islamic Traditions also say that God, Muhammad and the
Holy Ghost have the same Authority. We do have lots of Authentic
Traditions that say the Holy Ghost was given to Prophet Muhammad and
his Disciples, but this does not mean that they became Gods. The Holy
Ghost is one of God's tools that is used to guide holy people in their
actions. You will not be able to see any where in Quran or in the Bible that
the Holy Ghost is God.
Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? Jesus answered. No one is good
except God alone.
John 13:16
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is
a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
John 14:28
If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father,
for the Father is greater than I.
John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing;
John 20:17
Jesus said, " I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my
God and your God."
Mark 15:34
... Jesus cried out in a loud voice "My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?"
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Did Jesus tell anybody to worship him?
Did Jesus say that God, he and the Holy Ghost are Gods?
No, in fact, according to Jesus peace be upon him, all what you need to
believe in to enter heaven is to believe in the only God and that Jesus is his
Messenger:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4I have brought you glory on earth
by completing the work you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me
in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. 6"I
have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They
were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7Now
they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
After looking at what Jesus has said, to conclude that he is God, it is not
enough to say that
God said Us (it is not refereeing to Gods)
God is IN Jesus (God is IN the Disciples as well)
The WORD is God (Not part of the bible, and not referring to Jesus)
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Tabeedh Vs Following the Most Knowledgable
Salam brothers
1. When did the issue of doing taqleed to al'alum start as i feel like this is
something osooli people have made up.
2. tab'eed is this a bida of fadullah or did real ayatolalhs also speak about
this in the past, did Imams speak about it like they spoke about taqleed?
'...even Sistani says Tab'eed is ok but he has this ihtiyaat wujuban that you
have to do ihtiyaat ihtiyaatan at the end.
it doesn't even matter because if you see sistani as equal to the others his
view is not stronger than the others and the others say you can pick and
choose. even then we all know that ihtiyaat wujuban means you can go
to the next marja' and he doesn't impose ihtiyaat...'
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you can pick and choose a fatwa simply because its easier on you
the marja who you take the fatwa from does not need to agree with
tab'eed because u r not doing taqleed to him, just taqleed on that
issue.
we can say the 12th imam said 'our fuqaha are hujjah on u and we
are hujjah on them'.. so here imam did not say 'one faqi u pick is
hujjah on u and i am hujjah on them.
ok email is getting long so i will stop now and look forward to your reply
brother abu yaqeen. Please don't forget us in your duas in these holy
nights.
with Duas
*****
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Alaikum Al Slam brother,
1. When did the issue of doing taqleed to al'alum start as i feel like this
is something osooli people have made up.
Yes, many of our old and new Scholars allowed it. Some called it
Tabeedh and others called it Takhyeer. And we do have many authentic
Hadiths were Ahlulbayt allowed their Shia to make Taqleed to any Scholar
without limiting them to Al Alam.
'...even Sistani says Tab'eed is ok but he has this ihtiyaat wujuban that
you have to do ihtiyaat ihtiyaatan at the end.
it doesn't even matter because if you see sistani as equal to the others
his view is not stronger than the others and the others say you can pick
and choose. even then we all know that ihtiyaat wujuban means you
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can go to the next marja' and he doesn't impose ihtiyaat...'
you can pick and choose a fatwa simply because its easier on you
the marja who you take the fatwa from does not need to agree
with tab'eed because u r not doing taqleed to him, just taqleed
on that issue.
we can say the 12th imam said 'our fuqaha are hujjah on u and
we are hujjah on them'.. so here imam did not say 'one faqi u
pick is hujjah on u and i am hujjah on them.
Yes, I personally agree with you in the 3 points, and inshallah when
we discuss this matter in detail, you will see that many of our scholars
agree with you as well.
Nas'alakum Al Dua,
Abu Yaqeen
23/8/2011
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sa abu yaqeen
how old was Fatimah when she really married Imam Ali. Was she really 9
years old and Imam Ali was 21?
I want to refuse Aisha's claim that she married the prophet at age 9!
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Is it True that Aysha commited Adultry?
I do not mean to disturb you for I am aware of just how busy you are =)
I just wanted to ask you for some of the stuff I needed and I thought you
maybe able to help me with.
2) You said you had some lectures which were made into PDF files, if you
could send me these it would be much appreciated.
3) How do you deal with the texts in Kaamil al-Ziyarah which seem
anthropomorphist?
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Alaikum Al Salam Shaykhe,
There are two narrations that are used to prove the claim against
Aysha. However, none of them can be relied on scientifically. Here they
are with their refutations:
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The Source: Tafsir Al Qumi 2/377, for Ali Ibn Ebrahim Al Qumi.
The Content: Al Qumi says "She (Aysha) will be punished because of what
she has done in her way. Because he (Talha) used to love her. And when
she decided to go out (Al Jammal Battle), someone told her you are not
allowed to go out alone. So, she married from Folan (Talha)"
The Refutation: The reasons why this narration cannot be relied on are:
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The Content: Imam Al Hassan told Aysha "Don't you remember the 40
Dinar that you gathered by betrayal, which you spread it to Imam Ali's
haters?"
The Refutation: The reasons why this narration cannot be relied on are:
The conclusion is that we do not have any thing that proves this
claim in the Shia Tradition. All what we have is a quotation of a Scholar
that is not proven to be his, and a weak narration that has nothing to do
with the claimed accusation.
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Bihar Al Anwar 1/10 94
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2) You said you had some lectures which were made into PDF files, if
you could send me these it would be much appreciated.
Inshallah I will upload them soon to my website. Sorry for the delay.
3) How do you deal with the texts in Kaamil al-Ziyarah which seem
anthropomorphist?
The same way I deal with the verse in Quran which seem
anthropomorphist. There must be an explanation or an interpretation for
those Verses & Hadiths. We just have to look for them.
Nas'alakum Al Dua,
Abu Yaqeen
23/9/2011
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How can we Balance between Relegious Dawa & Political Activities in
the West?
In my area (Canada), at the university, there are Islamic clubs you know.
Some of them like to get involved politically, and some of them don't want
to get involved politically and I am one of the ones who do not want to
start a Shiite club already going into politics because I don't think it is
effective since non-muslims in the west look at muslims as if we beat up
our wives, and we stone our daughters and we oppress the women.
I am just discussing with a friend who believes in getting the Shiite club at
our university very politically active in the university. And I was trying to
explain to him to leave politics for now, but to spread Usool-e-Deen FIRST
before we try to get involved politically such as starting events, inviting
political speakers or even to advertise for other political events that we
will not be involved in at all. I gave him the example of the Quran being
split up into Makki and Madani verses, the Makki verses were revealed
upon the polytheists and the style of the verses were Usool-e-Deen which
teaches them about Tawhid and etc. I was showing him that why is it that
Nabi Mohammad (saw) only talked about Tawhid and etc. before he tried
to convince people of Furoo-e-Deen and eventually politics? I said
because Nabi Mohammad (saw) needed the people's support first in
order to be a leader of the country and if he had already attempted to
become a leader of the country before convincing people of Usool-e-
Deen, he would fail miserably because he did not have the people's
support since the polytheists (who converted to islam later) initially
thought we were crazy for worshipping someone that cannot be seen and
because of many other reasons.
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What do you think? Are there hadiths to prove that it is better to spread
Usool-e-Deen before Politics? Even I disagree doing Usool-e-Deen and
poltiics at the same time because the politics part is not 100% clean and
it may hurt our image in case a Shiite political leader does something bad.
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Alaikum Al Salam dear Brother,
I agree with you on all what you have said. the examples you
provided are more than enough to support your approach in Dawa.
Before getting involved in politics, and before giving politics the chance to
pull us away from our Religious Dawa, we all need to understand the
following points:
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What do you think?
So, one must spend enough time and see how did Ahlulbayt deal
with the Oppressors, Revolutions, Followers and Enemies with paying
attention to the Situation around them. Then and only then, we will be
able to balance between Religion and Politics like the way Ahlulbayt did.
It is not a secret to us that in most cases Ahlulbayt decided to ignore
politics and focus on religion, and this was for a reason that can be seen
in their tradition.
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Alaikum al Salam brother,
Mashallah, it is good to hear from you again. You are always in my mind,
so please always keep me in your Duas.
Why in Iran? Why not in Lebanon or Pakistan? There are many Shia
Scholars around the world that are involved in politics, and are able to
understand the situations just like our Shia Scholars in Iran.
however I noticed a big flaw in his article, and that is... it was published
in 1997 when Imam Sistani (qs) was under house arrest or silenced by
Saddam Hussein (la) so it is clear he could not comment on politics or
WF al mutlaqa but since 2003 he is free
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I haven't heard of him supporting it publicly or whatnot but rather he
made his own little 4 ulema council to help with the politics of Iraq
(without the influence of Iran as well)...and he has many times stopped
america from taking over the government completely al hamdulilah...
Sayed al Sistani is just like many other Scholars who are practicing
their Wilaya socially and politically. Alhamdulilah he is setting an example,
and is practicing it in a unique way. I believe that everybody should look
closely to how he deals with the conflicts around him. Not necessary
everybody should react like him, because we need to have multiple ways
to overcome our obstacles, but at least we can learn from his unique
method.
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What is the Opinion of Sayed Al Haidari & Sayed Al Sistani on Walayat
Al Faqeh?
I just wanted to tell you ignore the other email I sent because we got it
resolved, sorry for bothering you with a worthless email :(. I just realized
I should have kept it to myself...
And another Sheikh (sistani taqleed) told me that Imam Khomeini (ra)
actually went down from al-Mutlaqa to something less in the practical
sense because he realized it could not be applied fully, is this true? He did
not give me concrete evidence at the time and I don't think he has any
but I trust his words a lot because he is a very careful man. Do you know
if al-Sistani (qs) believes in WF of Iran the lesser authority since it is not
al-Mutlaqa in reality? Apparently al-Sistani (qs) is quiet on this issue but I
have heard of him praising Iran a couple of times...
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Alaikum Al Salam,
I just wanted to tell you ignore the other email I sent because we got it
resolved, sorry for bothering you with a worthless email :(. I just realized
I should have kept it to myself...
I learned a lot from your other email. Thank you very much for
sharing it with me the valuable information that was included in it.
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http://www.annajat.us/4um/showthread.php?t=3922
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Apparently al-Sistani (qs) is quiet on this issue but I have heard of him
praising Iran a couple of times...
Yes, Al Sistani has good relationship with Al Khamanie and Iran. Just
like many of the Marajie, but this does not mean they believe in Al
Mutlaqa. otherwise, we will say that Al Khamanie believes in Shura Al
Marajie when he praise Al Shirazi after his death.
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What is the Opinoin of Sayed Al Khoei on the Pre-emptive Jihad?
Thank you very much for these emails! I really appreciate it. I heard
there's another heavy breakdown going on in Bahrain, I hope you and
your loved ones are okay by the Will of Allah (Swt).. I always pray for this
breakdown to be abolished by our Imam's (aj) arrival, inshallah asap! I
don't have any more questions but below is what I encountered recently
in case you are interested in reading about.
He also believes that Sheikh Muhammad Sanad (who was his teacher by
the way) has some Akhbari tendencies, I think he brought that up
because I said Sheikh Muhammad Sanad is not with WF even in general
(when we were naming some of the ayatollahs and senior clerics who
weren't with WF general or mutlaqa).
Also, he tried to make it look like Imam al-Khoe'i believed in the pre-
emptive offensive Jihad because Sheikh Hamza was trying to support his
view on the authority of Imam Khomeini being allowed to make
something wajib haraam temporarily as that's the al-Mutlaqa authority
such as making Hajj haraam until his death, but I remember you in another
email sent me saying that people confused what Imam al-Khoe'i actually
meant by this fatwa. And I also have Sheikh Odeh Muhawesh's article
proving that this fatwa isn't any different from the one Sayyed Fadlallah
has issued and it's not necessarily the Imam's (aj) authority to do it. But I
didn't bring it up as we didn't have enough time, so I let it go but inshallah
I will next time so I can see what he has to say about it.
Lastly but not the least... he thought I was Bahraini :P, probably because I
referred to Sheikh Muhammad Sanad AND I look like the gulf people even
though I'm Lebanese! (My mother's ancestors are from Najaf, Iraq (we are
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related to the well-known poet Sheikh Ahmad-Safi Najafi), that's why I
look darker than the average Lebs) :D.
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Alaikum Al Salam Dear Brother,
He also believes that Sheikh Muhammad Sanad (who was his teacher by
the way) has some Akhbari tendencies, I think he brought that up
because I said Sheikh Muhammad Sanad is not with WF even in general
(when we were naming some of the ayatollahs and senior clerics who
weren't with WF general or mutlaqa).
Both Sayed Al Haidar & Shikh Sanad believe in Wilayat Al Faqeh, but
not al Mutlaqa. So, even if we say that Shikh Sanad has some Akhbari
tendencies, this changes nothing. Many of the Usooli Scholars, like Sayed
Al Khoei, dont agree with al Mutlaqa.
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believe that the Hadiths in the 4 Books have extra value, but this does not
mean that he accepts all those Hadiths in his Fatwas.
Also, he tried to make it look like Imam al-Khoe'i believed in the pre-
emptive offensive Jihad because Sheikh Hamza was trying to support his
view on the authority of Imam Khomeini being allowed to make
something wajib haraam temporarily as that's the al-Mutlaqa authority
such as making Hajj haraam until his death, but I remember you in
another email sent me saying that people confused what Imam al-Khoe'i
actually meant by this fatwa.
So, he concluded that Jihad is Wajib under the right conditions, and
that conditions must be reasoned by the Muslims:
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