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Gill Et Al v. Whitford Et Al Transcript
Gill Et Al v. Whitford Et Al Transcript
Gill Et Al v. Whitford Et Al Transcript
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v. ) No. 16-1161
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4 Appellants, )
5 v. ) No. 16-1161
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14 at 10:04 a.m.
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16 APPEARANCES:
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1 C O N T E N T S
3 MISHA TSEYTLIN
6 ERIN E. MURPHY
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10 PAUL M. SMITH,
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13 MISHA TSEYTLIN
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
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6 Mr. Tseytlin?
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2 gerrymandering.
11 issue.
13 the state.
22 hypothetical.
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8 doctrine.
15 together.
23 claim -
3 neutral.
9 asymmetry maps.
12 argument?
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2 standing.
24 Milwaukee.
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6 here.
13 that.
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4 case. Okay?
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10 was an arg -
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2 road.
20 by this point.
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5 direction.
23 gerrymandering?
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8 Vieth.
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13 balance of my time.
15 counsel.
16 Ms. Murphy.
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24 would hold.
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12 other.
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9 at it.
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1 unconstitutional.
16 criteria.
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21 districts.
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3 be concerned about.
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17 that lawful?
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2 violation?
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4 system of government?
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1 power.
18 Thank you.
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3 Reynolds case.
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24 whether I vote.
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7 sociological gobbledygook.
10 how unfair the map is. How much burden can the
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16 President.
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16 of -- of partisan -- of partisan
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18 effects are.
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6 Wisconsin did?
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5 much worse.
16 is wrong in that.
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