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Samvadam 2
Samvadam 2
Samvadam 2
]Xn-s\v
thZhpw KoXbpw ssZhn-Itam?
]sm-Xv
Jp-B ss__n-fns A\p-I-c-Wtam?
Ccp-]-Xv
Jp-B ssZhn-I-{K-tam?
Ccp-]smv
Ckvemapw ]cn-Wm-a-kn-m-hpw
Ccp-]-n-cv
aX- t a- X m- b mepw a\p- j y \m- b m
t]mtc?
Xs-bmWv .
(hn-i-Zo-I-c-W-n\v Ub-temKv sk {]kn-o-I-cn "kh-a-X-
k-Xy-hmZw' F IrXn ImWp-I.)
Ccp-]naqv
B[p-\nIa\p-jy\v Bdmw\qm-nse
aXtam?
{]hm-N-I aX-m-]-I-\
""tbip ssZh-]p-{X-\m-sWv {InkvXym-\n-Ifpw \n-fpsS \_n ssZh-
ns Ay-Zq-X-\m-sWv \nfpw hmZn-pp. CsXmw kzw
aX-m-]-Isc al-Xz-h-cn-m-\p- tIhew Ah-Im-i-hm-Z--
ft?''
Ckvem-an-s\bpw apkvenw-I-sfbpw kw_-n Kpcp-X-c-amb sXp-
[m-c-W-I-fmWv Cu tNmZy-n\p ImcWw. apl-Zv \_n \psSsbm-
s {]hm-N-I-\mWv. GsX-nepw PmXn-mcp-sStbm kap-Zm-b-m-cp-
sStbm am{Xw \_n-b. apgp-h temI-n\pw kI-e- P-\-n\pw
thn \ntbm-Kn--s ssZh-Zq-X-\mWv. At-ls kw_-nv
hnip--Jp-B ]d-bp-Xv, "temImsI A\p-{K-l-am-bn--msX
\ns \mw \ntbm-Kn-n-n.' (21: 107) FmWv.
A{]-ImcwXs Fm-e-sbpw GXp tZi-sbpw Fm \_n-
am-scbpw X-fpsS kzw {]hm-N-I-m-cmbn kzoI-cn-m apkvenw-
I _m[y--cmWv. Ahn-S-bn Hcp-hn[ hnth-N-\hpw I]n-
m-h-X. apkvenw-I C{]-Imcw {]Jym-]n-m imkn--s-n-cn-
pp: ""]d-bpI: R Am-lp-hn hniz-kn-pp. C_vdmlow,
Ckvam-Cu, CkvlmJv, bA-vJq_v, At-l-ns k-Xn-I Fn-
h-h-X-cn-n--s-n-cp--Xnepw tamsi, tbip Fn-hpw CXc
{]hm-N-I-mpw Ah-cpsS \mY-\n--h-X-cn-n-n-p amK-Zi-
\--fnepw R hniz-kn-pp. Ah-cn-em-tcmSpw R hnth-
N\w I]n-p-n. R Am-lp-hns Bm-\p-hn-I-
ftm.''(Jp-B 3:84)
142 ssZhw, aXw, thZw
Jp-B ]d-bpp: ""ssZh-Zq-X Xs \mY-\n\nv X\nv
Ah-X-cn amK-Zi-\-n hniz-kn-n-cn-pp. Cu ZqX-\n hniz-
kn-p--h-cmtcm Ahcpw B amK-Zi-\s hniz-kn-w-Ko-I-cn-n-
cn-pp. Ah-sc-m-hcpw Am-lp-hnepw Ahs ae-p-I-fnepw thZ-
{K-fnepw ZqX-m-cnepw hniz-kn-pp. Ah-cpsS {]Jym-]-\-an-
n-[-as{X: R ssZh-Zq-X-m-cn BtcmSpw hnth-N\w ImWn-
p-n. R hn[n {ihnp. hnt[-b-Xz-aw-Ko-I-cnp. \mYm, R
\ntmSv amn-c-p--h-cm-Ipp. R \nn-te-p-Xs aS-p--
h-cm-Wtm''(2: 285).
{]hm-N-I-m-c aX-m-]-I-scpw Ah ssZhn-I-k-tiw a\p-
jy-cm-in-s-n-p ssZh-Zq-X-mcpw {]t_m-[-Icpw am{X-am-sWpw
Cu hnip--hm-Iy- Ak-n-Kv[-ambn hy-am-pp. AXn-\m
apl-Zv \_n-b Ckvem-ans m]-I. Ckvemw At-l-n-eqsS
Bcw-`n--Xp-a. BZn-a-a-\p-jy apX apgp-h a\p-jypw ssZhw
\Inb PohnX hyh--bm-WXv. B Pohn-X-hy-h P\-s-
n-p-sIm-Sp-m-\mbn \ntbm-Kn-X-cmb kt-i-hm-l-I-cmWv {]hm-N-
I-m. Ah ssZh-ns ]p{X-mtcm Ah-Xm-c-tfm A. a\p-
jy-cn\np Xs ssZh-m \nbp--cmb kt-i-hm-l-I am{X-
amWv. `qan-bn P\-hm-k-am-cw-`n-Xp apX temI-ns hnhn[ `mK-
-fn hyXykvX Ime-L---fn Ccw At\-Im-bncw ssZh-Zq-X-
m \ntbm-Kn-X-cm-bn-pv. Ah-cnse Ah-km-\s In-bmWv apl-
Zv \_n-Xn-cp-ta\n.
Fp-sIm-n-tm ssZh-Zq-Xam hcp-n?
""\_n-Xn-cp-ta\n ssZh-ns Ay-Zq-X-\m-b-sX-p-sImv? ssZh-
ns amK-Zi\w Cpw Bh-iy-at? Fn Fp-sIm-n-tm
ssZh-Zq-X-m-cp-m-Ip-n?''
a\p-jy-cpsS amK-Zi-\-am-Wtm ssZh-Zq-X-m-cpsS \ntbm-K-
eyw. apl-Zv \_np app {]hm-N-I-m-cn-eqsS Ah-XoW-
amb ssZhn-I-k-tiw Nne {]tXyI Ime-mpw tZi-mpw
am{X-ap--h-bm-bn-cpp. temI-hym-]-I-ambn B kt-i--fpsS {]Nm-
c-Whpw Ah-bpsS `{Z-amb kwc--Whpw km[y-am-bn-cp-n-s--
Xmhmw CXn\p ImcWw. GXm-bmepw Ah-cn-eqsS e`y-amb ssZhn-I-
k-tiw a\p-jy- C-S-s]-S-ep-I-fn\nv Xopw ap-amb \ne-bn
temI-nv Fhn-sS-bp-an. Fm ]Xn-\mep \qm-n-\-pdw apl-
Zv \_n-Xn-cp-ta-\n-bn-eqsS Ah-XoW-amb Jp-B apgp-h a\p-
jypw amK-Zi-\-ta-Im ]cym-]vX-as{X. AXv temI-sapw
Fm kuI-cy-s-Sp-amdv a\p-jy-\m-K-cn-IX hfp hnI-kn-n-cpp.
{]hm-N-I \ntbm-Km-\-cw Gsdmew Ignbpwapt As Adn-
b-s-n-cp \mSp-I-fn-sepw Jp-Bs ktiw sNs-p-Ibpw
kvt\l-kw-hmZw 143
Ccp-]n\mev
ssZhw IA-v_-bntem?
Ccp-]-v
hn[n-hn-izmkw
`uXn-I-hm-Z-nepw Ckvem-anepw
Ccp-]mdv
Jp-B hmIy--fn sshcp-[ytam?
Ccp-]-tgv
ASn- a w \ntcm- [ n- m- X n- c p- - s X- p-
sImv?
Ah-\p-ap-v.''
Cuhn[w ASn-abvv kaq-l-n am\y-amb ]Z-hnbpw AwKo-Im-
chpw ]cn- K - W - \ bpw \In Ahs Ah- I m- i - kwc- n
Ckvemw Ah-t\m-Sp A\o-Xn-sbbpw AXn-{I-a-sbpw sImSnb Ip-
ambn IW-m-p-I-bp-m-bn. AtXm-sSmw ASn-a-bpsS _m[y-X-I-
fnepw in-I-fnepw KWy-amb Cf-h-\p-h-Zn-p-Ibpw sNbvXp.
2. Ckvemw ASn-a-s Hc-Sn-m-\-ambn AwKo-I-cn-p-n-.
An-a-ambn AXn-\-dp-Xn-h-cp-m-\p \S-]-Sn-I-fmWv AXv kzoI-cn--
Xv. ASn-a-- tam-N-\-n\v hn {]m[m\yw \In. Amlp tNmZn-
pp: ""a\p-jy Fp-sImv ZpL-S-amb ]pWy-]mX IS-p-n-
. FmWv B ZpL-S -amK-sav \n\--dn-bmtam? ASn-a-bpsS
tamN-\-am-W-Xv'' (90: 11-13).
Ckvemw kIm-ns Htcm-lcn \n-bn-Xv ASn-a-I-fpsS tamN-
\-n-\p-th-n-bmWv (9: 60). Xs DS-a--X-bn-ep ASn-asb tamNn-
n-epw ap--h-cpsS hi-ap--hsc hmn tamNn-n-epw Ckvemw
\n-bn ASn-a-tam-N-\ -amK--f-s{X. AX-\p-k-cn-mWv \_n-Xn-cp-
ta-\nbpw Ahn-Ss A\p-N-camcpw X-fpsS Iogn-ep-m-bn-cp
ASn-a-Isf tamNn-n--Xv. A_q-_Iv kzno-Jn-s\-tm-ep klr-Z-
b k-ns knwl-`m-Khpw hn\n-tbm-Kn-Xv ASn-a-Isf hmn
tamNn-n-m-\m-Wv. ]p-t]v Fgp-p-w hm-b-\bpw ]Tn-n-p-sIm-
Sp-p ASn-a-Isf {]hm-N-I tamNn-n-n-cp-p.
]e ]m]-pw Ckvemw \n-bn {]mb-n---fn {]Y-
ahpw {][m-\hpw ASn-aIsf tamNn-n--em-Wv. ""Bsc-nepw Hcp hnizm-
knsb h[n-m-\n-S-bm-bm {]mb-n--ambn hnizm-kn-bmb Hc-Sn-asb
tamNn-n--Ww. sIm-s--hs Ah-Im-in-Iv \jvS-]-cn-lmcw
\IpIbpw thWw. Ah \jvS-]-cn-lmcw hnp-sIm-Sp-m-sem-gn-sI''
(4: 92).
i]-Y-ew-L-\w, {hX-a-\p-jvTn-sh `mcym-`m-am ssewKn-
I-_w ]pe t]mep A]-cm-[--fpsS {]mb-n-hpw ASn-
a-Isf tamNn-n--e-s{X. Cs\ ASn-a-- tam-N-\-n\v Ckvemw
hnhn[ amK- \n-bn-p. ]c-tem-Iv AXn-a-l-mb {]Xn-^ew
hmKvZm\w \Ip-Ibpw sNbvXp. AXp-sIm-p-Xs Ckvem-anI kaq-
l-n kw`-hn--t]mse hn]p-ehpw hym]-I-hp-amb \ne-bn ASn-a-
I hntam-Nn-X-cmb asmcp Ime-L-hpw Ncn-{Xn-ep-m-bn-n-.
tamN-\-]-{X-sa-gpXn kzmX{yw t\Sm\pw Ckvemw Ah-k-c-sam-cp-
n. AX-\p-k-cnv ASn-abpw bP-am-\\pw tbmPn-p Xocp-am-\n-p
aqeyw \n-bnv kzmX{yw t\Sm ASn-a-Iv km[n-p-am-bn-cpp.
Ccw L--fn kzmX{yw \Im bP-am-\ _m[y--\m-
Wv. AXn-en-S-s]-Smt\m Icm \ncm-I-cn-mt\m Abmv Ah-Im-i-
an-. tamN-\-]-{X-sa-gp-Xp \nanjw apX ASna ASn-a-b-m-Xm-bn,
170 ssZhw, aXw, thZw
Iqen--Wn-m-cs m\-s-p-p. ]noSv sNp tPmenv
{]Xn-^-e-ap-m-hp-Ibpw AXv tamN-\-aq-ey-ambn amdp-Ibpw sNp-
p. ap sXmgn-ep-I-fn-eqsS ]W-ap-mn tamN-\-aqeyw tiJ-cn-
m\pw Abm- - h - I m- i - a p- m- b n- c n- pw. C- c - s amcp hyh
bqtdm-n AwKo-I-cn--s-Xv ]Xn-\memw \qm-n am{X-am-sW-
Xv {]tXyIw {]kvXm-hy-a-s{X.
Cs\ hnhn[ hnt[\ tamN\w t\Snb ASn-a-I Ckvem-anI
Ncn-{X-n al-mb m\-a-e--cn-p-Ibpw `c-Ww-hsc ssIbm-
fp-I-bp-ap-m-bn. _nem-ep_v\p d_m-ln-s\-tmse AXp-ey-amb ]Z-
hn-bn-se-n-b-hcpw Ah-cn-ep-v.
3. ASn-a-I Xe-apd Xe-ap-d-I-fmbn XpS-cp Ah-v Ckvemw
AdpXn hcp- n. bP- a m- \ \v ASnakv { Xo- b n Ipn- I - f p- m- b m
Ah bP-am-\s Ipn-I-fm-bmWv ]cn-K-Wn--s-Sp-I-sbpw ap
a-sf-tmse Xs ]qWm-h-Im-i-ap kzX-{-cmb ]ucam-cm-
bn-cn-p-sapw Ckvemw {]Jym-]n-p. AtXm-sSmw bP-am-\s ac-
W-tmsS Ah-cpsS amXm- kzX-{-cmbnocp-sapw AXv
hnfw-_cw sN-bvXp. AtXm-sSmw bP-am-\am X-fpsS Iogn-ep
ASna-kv{Xo-Isf thiy-mhrnp]-tbm-Knv hcp-am-\-ap-m-p
AXyw \oN-amb k{-Zm-b-n\v ]qW-ambpw Adp-Xn-h-cp-p-I-
bpw- sN-bvXp.
4. {Ia-{]-hr--ambn ASn-aw Ah-km-\n-n-m-\m-h-iy-amb kao-
]\w kzoI-cn Ckvemw AXv ]qW-ambpw \ntcm-[n-m-Xn-cp-Xv A\n-
hm-cy-amb Imc-W--fm-em-Wv. bp-n-eq-sS-b-msX ASn-a-I-fp-m-
hp Fm hgn-Ifpw AXv ]qW-ambpw sImn-b-S-p. \_n-Xn-cp-ta-\n-
bpsS \ntbm-K-Im-ev bp--S-hp-Imsc ASn-a-I-fm-p-Itbm h[n-
p-Itbm sNp k{-Zm-ba - mWv \ne-\n-n-cp-X - v. ZoL-Imew CtX
Ah XpS-cp-I-bp-m-bn. i{Xp-cm-jv{S-hp-ambn bp-ap-m-Ip-tm
Ah ]nSn-Iq-Sp Ckvem-an-I- cm-jv{S-nse ]ucamsc ASn-a-I-fm-
p-Itbm h[n-p-Itbm sNp k{-Zmbw \ne-\n-n-cp kml-
N-cy-n Ckvem-anI cmjv{Sw ]nSn-Iq-Sp i{Xp-cm-jv{S-nse _n-
I-fpsS Imcy-n asmcp \ne-]mSv kzoI-cn-pI km[ytam {]mtbm-
Kn-Itam Bbn-cp-n-. Fnpw bp--S-hp-Imsc h[n-p-Xv
Ckvemw hne-n. Ahsc shdpsX hnSp-Itbm {]Xn-^ew hmn hn-
b-p-Itbm sNm-sav \ntZ-in-p-Ibpw sNbvXp (47: 4).
bp--S-hp-Imsc apgp-h Xma-kn-n-m kuI-cy-ap kwhn-
[m-\-an-m-Xn-cp--Xn-\m i{Xp-cm-jv{S- sNbvX t]mse-s
Ckvem-an-I c - m-jv{Shpw Ahsc ASn-aI - f - m-p-Ib - mWp-m-bX - v. CtXp-
dn-v {]-apJ Ckvem-anI ]WvUn-X apl-Zv JpXzv_v Fgp-Xpp:
""bp--S-hp-Im-cpsS Imcy-n i{Xp-]w asmcp coXn kzoI-cn-
m k--am-hp--Xp-hsc Fv ASn-a-- k-{-Zm-b-n\v Ah[n
kvt\l-kw-hmZw 171