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October 24, 2017 (/blog/the-rules-about-responding-to-call-outs-arent)

The rules about responding to call outs arent working

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Privileged people rarely take the voices of marginalized people seriously. Social justices
spaces attempt to fix this with rules about how to respond to when marginalized people
tell you that youve done something wrong. Like most formal descriptions of social skills,
the rules dont quite match reality. This is causing some problems that I think we could
fix with a more honest conversation about how to respond to criticism.

The formal social justice rules say something like this:

You should listen to marginalized people.

When a marginalized person calls you out, dont argue.
Believe them, apologize, and dont do it again.
When you see others doing what you were called out for doing, call them out.

Those rules are a good approximation of some things, but they dont actually work. It is
impossible to follow them literally, in part because:

Marginalized people are not a monolith.

Marginalized people have the same range of opinions as privileged people.
When two marginalized people tell you logically incompatible things, it is
impossible to act on both sets of instructions.
For instance, some women believe that abortion is a human right foundational
human right for women. Some women believe that abortion is murder and an
attack on women and girls.
 Listen to women doesnt tell you who to believe, what policy to support, or how to
talk about abortion.
For instance, some women believe that religious rules about clothing liberate
women from sexual objectification, other women believe that religious rules about
clothing sexually objectify women.
Listen to women doesnt tell you what to believe about modesty rules.
Narrowing it to listen to women of minority faiths doesnt help, because women
disagree about this within every faith.
When listen to marginalized people means adopt a particular position,
marginalized people are treated as rhetorical props rather than real people.
Objectifying marginalized people does not create justice.

Since the rule is literally impossible to follow, no one is actually succeeding at following
it. What usually ends up happening when people try is that:

One opinion gets lifted up as the position of marginalized people

Agreeing with that opinion is called listen to marginalized people
Disagreeing with that opinion is called talking over marginalized people
Marginalized people who disagree with that opinion are called out by privileged
people for talking over marginalized people.
This results in a lot of fights over who is the true voice of the marginalized people.
We need an approach that is more conducive to real listening and learning.

This version of the rule also leaves us open to sabotage:

There are a lot of people who dont want us to be able to talk to each other and
build effective coalitions.
Some of them are using the language of call-outs to undermine everyone who
emerges as an effective progressive leader.
They say that they are marginalized people, and make up lies about leaders.
Or they say things that are technically true, but taken out of context in deliberately
misleading ways.
The rules about shutting up and listening to marginalized people make it very
difficult to contradict these lies and distortions.
(Sometimes they really are members of the marginalized groups they claim to
speak for. Sometimes theyre outright lying about who they are).
 (For instance, Russian intelligence agents have used social media to pretend to be
marginalized Americans and spread lies about Hillary Clinton.)

The formal rule is also easily exploited by abusive people, along these lines:

An abusive person convinces their victim that they are the voice of marginalized
people.
The abuser uses the rules about when people tell you that youre being
oppressive, dont argue to control the victim.
Whenever the victim tries to stand up for themself, the abuser tells the victim that
theyre being oppressive.
That can be a powerfully effective way to make victims in our communities feel that
they have no right to resist abuse.
This can also prevent victims from getting support in basic ways.
Abusers can send victims into depression spirals by convincing them that
everything that brings them pleasure is oppressive and immoral.
The abuser may also isolate the victim by telling them that it would be oppressive
for them to spend time with their friends and family, try to access victim services, or
call the police.
The abuser may also separate the victim from their community and natural allies
by spreading baseless rumors about their supposed oppressive behavior. (Or
threatening to do so).
When there are rules against questioning call outs, there are also implicit rules
against taking the side of a victim when the abuser uses the language of calling
out.
Rules that say some people should unconditionally defer to others are always
dangerous.

The rule also lacks intersectionality:

No one experiences every form of oppression or every form of privilege.

Call-outs often involve people who are marginalized in different ways.
Often, both sides in the conflict have a point.
For instance, black men have male privilege and white women have white
privilege.
If a white woman calls a black man out for sexism and he responds by calling her
out for racism (or vice versa), listened to marginalized people isnt a very helpful
 rule because theyre both marginalized.
These conversations tend to degenerate into an argument about which form of
marginalization is most significant.
This prevents people involved from actually listening to each other.
In conflicts like this, its often the case that both sides have a legitimate point. (In
ways that are often not immediately obvious.)
We need to be able to work through these conflicts without expecting simplistic
rules to resolve them in advance.

This rule also tends to prevent groups centered around one form of marginalized from
coming to engage with other forms of marginalization:

For instance, in some spaces, racism and sexism are known to be issues, but
ableism is not.
(This can occur in any combination. Eg: There are also spaces that get ableism
and sexism but not racism, and spaces that get economic justice and racism but
not antisemitism, or any number of other things.)
When disabled people raise the issue of ableism in any context (social justice or
otherwise), theyre likely to be shouted down and told that its not important.
In social justice spaces, this shouting down is often done in the name of listening
to marginalized people.
For instance, disabled people may be told you need to listen to marginalized
people and de-center your issues, carrying the implication that ableism is less
important than other forms of oppression.
(This happens to *every* marginalized group in some context or other.)
If we want real intersectional solidarity, we need to have space for ongoing
conflicts that are not simple to resolve.

Tl;dr Shut up and listen to marginalized people isnt quite the right rule,
because it objectifies marginalized people, leaves us open to sabotage, enables
abuse, and prevents us from working through conflicts in a substantive way. We
need to do better by each other, and start listening for real.

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