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1959 July The Astrological Journal
1959 July The Astrological Journal
1959 July The Astrological Journal
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THE ASTROLOGICAL JOURNAL
of the
ASTROLOGICAL ASSOCIATION
CONTENTS
Editorial 1
Reports of Meetings 2
Reports of Meetings
At the first Meeting of the new Session , on March 27th,
Miss Ingrid Lind spoke on Working from the Planetary Pattern .
After reviewing the familiar horoscopic pattern-types sugges t-
ed by lVIr . l',Iarc Edmund Jones, the speaker went on to say that
although she did make constant use of horoscopic groupings
and patt erns, she preferred to treat the matter with much
flexibili ty, taking into consideration the distribution in
the four quadrants, major aspects, groups of planets, and so
on. Of these suggested by ~.X. Jon·es, the See-saw type (whose
planets are in opposite groups) and the Bundle (all planets
bunched together) were the only ones she had found t~ conform
clearly to the neanings he had given then.
During the Second Session, Er . Addey devoted a Topical
Evepinf to the horoscope o£ the first Grand Nat ional Ste eple-
chase Aintree, Liverpool, 2 . 55p . m., Feb. 26, 1839) and its
relation to the subsequent history of the race.
On April 23rd, Er. Philip Barford spoke . on Astrology and
Music. We hope to publish this lecture in a fut ure issue.
The second half of the evening was taken - by I1ir . R . Marshall
r;:armer who led a r~ap Discussion. He showed charts of the
London to Manchester air race whi ch took pla ce : on · April 27/28 ,
1 91 0 for the two contestants, Ivi.Paulhan (who start a t 5 . 21
p • m• ) and :t.Ir • Gr aha.m hn it e ( who start e d at 6 • 3 0 p • m • )
M. Paulhan was the winner. ·
The first lecture at our Me eting of l,1ay 28th was given
by Professor J. ~ .Thorburn. Hi s subje ct was Horoscopes of
Genius. He chose the horosc opes of Goethe and of Bl ake to
consider and his theory is that to show genius a chart must
be a combination of 'ma ssive harmon y and bal an c ing afflict i on'.
To know a person truly, the Sampson epo ch chart and the h eli o-
centric positions of the planets must be considered. (The
Sampson epoch is set up for one tropical year before birth ?
and the position of the SQn 9 if the b irth time is known, should
be found to seconds of arc. Gener ally , he thought the epoch
chart inferior to the natal chart~ but by cons i dering the two,
he could se e the best and worst of a character. He a l so stud-
ied aspects of the planets between the geocentri c and the helio-
centric positions.
In the second half of the evening, Mr . N. V.Bl unsdon showed
his method of making a graph to show the radical and progressed
positions on a birth chart. If the graph is carefully plotted
he said you c an tell within 15 11 of ar c when the secondary posi-
tions of the heavy planets wili work. ·
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__ -:: -:::..e ==-~~--s:' s.-: -::.cs 2ven'!eas League for Dane Rudhyar on
;-.z_e ~r~, -::~_s :.:=:'ssi.ie~t, 3rigadier l~.C.Firebrace and Mrs. TLE.
~=~s 1 ~:'=-~~=-;~1 :~ t~e ~aculty of Astrological Studies,
~~:r. ::::.• : .=s.-,;-is:;:r_, rresident of the Astrological Lodge and the
Pres::..is~~ ~~ ~~s Federation of British Astrologers, Mrs.Beatrice
~lac~s-::s.ffe, sac~ made a speech of welcome on behalf of their
s ::;c::..e-'::iss c::z_:i p2id tribute to the work of Dane Hudhyar. In
r-s~::Ly, ~~r. ?..ud1:.~'e,r said (briefly) g ·
After Jesus was born, we are told that Joseph and Mary ~
1when the days of her purific~tion were accomplished' - took
Jesus to the temple at Jerusalem to present him to the Lord.
Now the Mosai c Law is that circumcision shall take place eight
days ·after birth and that after that, there shall be a further
thirty-three days during which the woman who has borne a son
shall touch no sacred thing nor enter the precinct s of the
temple. This makes a total of forty-one days.
. Assuming that the fli ght into Egypt took pl~ce very
shortly after the visit of the lvlagi, this means that the
Holy Family must have been at Bethlehem after the birth of
Jesus fo~ at least six weeks before the end of November.
We must therefore 9 look for a date before mid-Octobe r.
But ho~ long before this might not Jesus have been born?
H~ie · we have only common sense to go on. Joseph was
a carpenter, we are told and he presumably had to earn a
living. Herod's reign, then nearly 38 years old, had been
a terrible one for the · count ry . He had despoiled his own
King dom in order to win favour with foreign Prince s and ·
potentates and we know that in evil times such as the se 9
prosperity and personal savings tend to be at a low ebb.
Thus it is ·unlikely that Joseph, newly married, would wish
to leave his wor.k behind for a very long stay near Jerusalem.
For these reasons one would not expect Joseph and Mary
to h ave reached Bethleh em before, say, August at the earliest.
And if this is so, then we must examine the period between
e~rly August and mid-October ; a period of ten or eleven
weeks.
This brings us to a critical point in our enq_uiry. Can
we with safety and wisdom proceed further? Although it is
difficult to draw back at this stage without looking a little
closer, we must clearly reco gnise that -_ we are treading on
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difficult 9 not to say holY9 ground and that we must not trust
ve ~he scope of ordinary astrological judgment too implicitly,
still less expect with any confidence t~ reach a sure conclu-
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Is there any further clue? There is one more. A vital
clue perhaps be caus e it reduces our cho i.ce from ten weeks to
-en days0 But before we consiaer this9 let us ask what are
-he main things which we ought to look for in the Nativity of
_1e Founder of Christianity <)
Lhe deado All these things give some support to the idea
of a 'strong Sun/Leo/5th house e Lcmen t 0
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Aug. ~~f:T~un Moon Mercur.x, Venus Mars Jupiter S~turn
2 8.34 Leo 6.8 ~ 2.0 Leo 2.4 v. 22.0 Li.21.0 P.24.5R P .21 . 5R
4 8.42 8,8 Sa. 0 .1 6.3 24.2 22.3 24.4 21.4
6 8 .. 50 10.7 27.6 10.3 26.3 23~6 24.3 21.3
8 8.58 12.6 Cp. 24.2 14.0 28.4 24.9 24. 2 21.2
10 9.06 14.6 Aq. 19.9 17.8 Li. 0.6 26.2 24.0 21 . 1
12 9 .. 14 Leo 16.5 P. 14.6 Leo 21.5 Li. 2. 7 Li.27.6 P.23.9 P.21.0
14 9.22 18.5 Ar. 8.6 25.1 4.8 28.9 23.7 20.9
16 9.30 20.4 Ta. 2. 3 28.7 6.8 Sc. 0.2 23.5 20.7
18 9.37 22.4 26.3 v. 2.1 8.9 1.6 23.3 20.6
20 9:.:-45 24.3 G. 21.2 5.5 10. 9 2.9 23.1 20.5
22 9.53 Leo 26.3 Cn 17.5 V. 8.8 Li.l2.9 Sc. 4.3 P.22.9 P.20.3
24 10.01 28.3 Leo 15.2 12.1 14.9 5.7 22.7 20.2
26 10.09 v. 0.2 v. 14.2 15.3 16.9 7.0 22.5 20.1
28 10.17 2.2 Li. 13.7 18.4 18.8 B.5 22.3 19.9
30 10.25 4.1 Sc. 12.8 21.4 20.7 9.9 22.0 1 9 .8
Sept.
1 1 0 . 33 v. 6 .1 Sa. 10.9 V. 24-.3 Li.22.6 Sc.11.3 P.21..R - --
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3 10 . 41 8 .1 Cp . 7.8 27 . 4 24 . 5 12 . 7 21.5 19 . 5
5 10.48 10.1 Aq. 3.6 Li . 0 .3 26 . 3 14.1 21.3 19 . 3
7 10.56 12.0 28 .6 3.1 28.0 15. 5 21. 0 19 .2
9 11.04 14.0 p. 23.0 5.9 29 .7 16.9 20.7 1 9 .0
11 11.12 v. 16.0 Ar. 16.8 Li. 8. 5 Sc. l . 5 Sc.l8.4 P.20.5 P.lS.8
13 11.20 18.0 Ta. 10.6 11.1 3.1 19.8 20.2 18.7
15 11.28 20.0 G. 5. 4 13.6 4 .. 7 21.3 19.9 18.5
17 11.36 21.9 29.3 16.1 6.2 22.7 19.6 18.4
19 11.44 23.9 Cn. 25.4 18.3 7.7 24.2 1 9 .4 18.2
21 11.51 v 25.9 Leo 23.2 Li. 20.5 Sc . 9 .1 Sc .25 .6· P . l9 . 1 P .l8.D
23 11.59 27.9 v. 22.7 22 . 5 10 . 4 27 . 1 18 . 9 17 . 9
25 12.07 29.9 Li. 23.0 24 .2 11 . 6 28 . 6 18 . 6 17 .8
27 l2.15 · Li. 1.9 Sc. 22.8 25 . 7 12 . 9 Sa. 0 .1 18 . 3 17.6
29 12.23 3.9 Sa . 21.1 26 . 9 13 . 9 Cp. 1.6 18.1 17.4
fer :;alculating the dateR upon which Sundays fell that year.
=~ey !ell as in the present year, l959, - that is, starting
·:.·i -1:11 _c:.~u.gust 2r"d. Without l.lr . Trotter's ephemeris of the
)l?. .nets' places, this article could not have been written and
=Y debt to him is especially great - both for that and for
other valuable comments and observations he has sent me.
Searching carefully through the ephemeris I could at first
find no Sunday date which satisfied me. T'he day I liked best
of all was a Saturday and the positions I wanted were on the
evening of that day.
It was then that I realise d. \vr.:.a t I shov.ld hc-.cve remembers d
all along, - namely 9 that the Je r,-s counted their day as end-
ing at sunset and that the evening of that Saturday vvas in
fact a Sunday!
The horoscope I give therefore is for Saturday evening,
August 22nd, 7 B.C., -Saturday to u.s cu~ a S~day- the day
of the Sabbath - to them .
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MiCHAEL DEBRE
15 Jan. \9\2
Paris. 23.hrs.
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The Horoscope of the Vth Republic of France
A . Volguine
II Libr a .
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II
10°0 13020 Aries.
II
Scorp . II
13°20 16°40 Taurus .
II
Sag . " 16~40 20<? 0
n :2~ri. - J _----
II
uar •
.ti q_
" 26 - - .: =.e: .
Pisces . 30c0 Virgo.
II
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Leo Ari e s. II 3°20 Libra.
II Taurus. II 6°40 Scorp.
II Gemini. II
10°0 Sag.
II Cancer. II 13°20 Capri.
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Leo . II
16°40 Aquar.
11 Virgo. II
20°0 Pisces .
23°20 Aries.
II
II
Libra.
Scorp.
"
II
26°40 Taurus.
Sag. II
30°0 Gemini.
"
. ,Virgo 0°0 3°20 Capri. Pisces 0°0 Cancer .
II 3020 6°40 Aquar. 3°20 Leo .
6°40 10°0 Pisces. II
6°40 Virgo .
"
II
10°0 13°20 Aries. II
10°0 Libra.
il
13°20 16°40 Taurus. II
13°20 Scorp.
II
16°40 20°0 Gemini. II
16°40 Sag.
II
20°0 23°20 Cancer. II
20°0 Capri.
II
23°20 26°40 Leo. II
23°20 Aquar .
26°40 30°0 Virgo. II 26°40 Pisces.
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C. A. \iifinyard
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Dear Editor ~
t~e
f ollo7;ing reply~-
To this 9 l 1Ir . Mo.::::'shall Harme r · h as eent
29th April, 1959.
I would refer to TIIr . honnebec k 's letter and
say that astrolo ge rs do not associate certain compositions
used to make atomic and hydrogen bombs b e ca use of any
similarity in the names of the planets. . That Uranus i8
one of many other substances which is linked with a Uranian
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are angular.
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Ast:JZ...O..l9.&L..o£• The -~~h o(_Christ . _...._.:;. :._:.-: l : :_--_ :~- ?:_c. ::nore precise
data for the Nativity of Jesus h2s ~~~: tee~ r-=2sived.
Working from M.C. ot Capri2orn ~