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03-02-2004, 03:37 PM #1

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Ejaculation: Negative Effects on Internal Energy Work

Dear All:

I practice a simple qi gong exercise called Zhan Zhuang.

I would like to hear your thoughts on whether ejaculation
will negatively affect internal energy practice.

An aside: I hear that some NFL players refrain from sexual activities
the night before game time and boxers months before a prime fight.

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Ejaculation causes significant amounts of son's of essence (jing) to leave the body. This
drains kidney yang qi, and in order to resupply the kidneys, they draw up energy from
the secondary vessels in the legs (yinqiao mai, yangqiao mai, yinwei mai, and yangwei
mai) to replenish the kidneys. This is why you get weak in the legs after excessive
sexual activity. That happens immediatly. What happens over a bit of time is that jing
is spent to replenish the qi in said vessels.

This can impair energy work because many forms of qigong focus on the principle of
Three Flowers Reach the Top, which means that the three treasures (jing qi and shen)
reach the top of the body to nourish the brain (Baihui, Du 20). This is done by first
refraining from sexual activity to builup alot of jing in the body. The jing is led upwards
to the Huang Ting (an area in the abdomen between the navel and the xiphoid
process) where it is converted into qi. The qi is then led up the Chong Mai (the
thrusting vessel, essentially the spinal cord) directly into the brain. Once there the qi
is refined into shen.

There is one more step to this process which is to turn the shen into emptiness and
crush the emptiness. By the time you get around to that you're at the final stages of
enlightenment training.

But to get back to the topic, this process requires ALOT of qi. Which means you have to
conserve ALOT of jing. Which means you normally abstain for more than 100 days.
Usually a few years all tolled.

The reason athletes refrain is the weakening of the legs which results from depleted
kidney yang. When your refrain you have much more qi to work with.

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Can't you just do more qi gong to replenish your qi and in turn jing?

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Read this and weep...

God I am amused.

This is from Dr Lin's website. You just have to read the whole thing. More on
this later, from a scientific perspective...

Dear Dr.Lin,

Your site was great! I have now learn that sometimes size
does'nt matter if u know what i mean. The natural penile
enlargement that u mention is a real break for my sexual
urges although i am still virgin now in 20. With your info.
given i can now control my desires n boost my martial art
performance. However the main issue that i am going to ask
are , 1. can jing overloaded n result in wet dreams? 2.
what causes wet dreams n how to stop it cause i really dont
want to loose my jing alot , for ur info from teenage time
till now i have limited my self for mastubration from 3-4
times a week to now once a week to preserve my jing ,
so preservation of jing is important for me to stored my
chi. 3. does jing capacity effect chi in martial art or
chi gong? 4. is there a method to develop both jing n chi?
i.e. if i ejaculate how to replenish my jing n chi?
finally 5 . will there be any effect if i do not ejaculate

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for a year?

1. can jing overloaded n result in wet dreams?

yes! for young men. The brain in response to excessive jing (testosterone or sperm,
one word two meanings) will signal a hard erection via spinal cords (sacral) S2-S4
during a deep sleep, that produces the stress (strain) signals to feed the interneuron
switches in Spinal Cord T10-L2 from the sexual nerves in the prostate. There are two
mechanisms to trigger orgasmic ejaculation - one is the direct refelxion of the
sympathetic sexual (orgasmic) nerves in response to the stress reaction in the prostate
due to a hard penile erection, and another is from the brain which, after receiving a
stress signal from the prostate via T10-L2, sends a sequence of action potential via the
interneuron switches and sympathetic sexual nerves to the prostate's ejaculation
controller.
2. what causes wet dreams n how to stop it cause i really dont want to loose my jing
alot , for ur info from teenage time till now i have limited my self for masturbation
from 3-4 times a week to now once a week to preserve my jing, so preservation of jing
is important for me to stored my chi.
Excessive testosterone or sperm will alert the brain to release the internal pressure in
the prostate and testicles. Biological action of mimic testosterone or artificial growth
hormones (red meat!) on the prostate, pornography, and sexual-associated
vision/hearing/physical stimulation will increase wet dreams. Reducing testosterone
level in the prostate area will kill wet dream. On the other hand, a weak
parasympathetic nervous function in the prostate, which can not help secure (tighten)
the prostate ejaculation valve, will result in semen leakage or wet dream too ( how
about urinary leakage and wet bed!).
How to prevent wet dream from happening? you can reduce it but can not stop it.
Powering the parasympathetic nervous function and reducing the sympathetic nervous
function in the prostate will naturally reduce wet dream frequency. Eat more nuts,
seeds, beans, fruit vegetables and fruits; cut down red meat and cheese consumption;
have more exercises and circulate your Chi in your microcosmic orbit - recycle your
sexual energy back to your brain. You are normal to have wet dreams 2 or 3 times a
week at this age of 20 if you have never masturbated. But, you can reduce it by
burning out more testosterone. In fact, if you don't have wet dream and have never
masturbated to release yourself, you should worry about your testicular function. For a
health young man, you can ejaculate 2 or 3 times to prevent your brain's testosterone
negative feedback controller from locking up, unless you are very weak.
I think you are OK!
3. does jing capacity effect chi in martial art or chi gong?
Yes, It affects the syntheses of acetylcholine (Yin Chi) and dopamine (Yang Chi) in the
brain. Martial art or Chi Gong (ChiKong) requires both Yin and Yang chi to act and
react. If you don't have sufficient Yin, you can not circulate your chi in your
acupuncture channels. All the nervous systems, sensory or motor, sympathetic or
parasympathetic, requires acetylcholine. That is why Yin Chi is the mother of all Chi.
When dopamine is converted to norepinephrine and epinephrine ( both forms the Wei
Chi - the defense Chi), your body becomes alert, ready to react. When Jing is too high,
it generate too much stress in the pelvic area, unless you can burn it into bioelectric
power to charge the local parasympathetic nerves and circulate the bioelectricity (the
Chi in the acupuncture network.) back to the brain via the spine and Governing Vessel.
This jing-chi translation can be done by a sequence of expanding action on the
parasympathetic and sensory nerves in the bladder and tail bone, which share the
same interneurons in S2-S4. Don't contract the prostate muscle which will produce
excessive DHT from the testosterone burning, resulting in over-stimulation of the
prostate for ejaculation. Contraction of the prostate (PC) muscle will trigger the
sympathetic/sensory nervous circuits in T10-L2, leading to orgasm. This is why women
can achieve orgasm easier with the sexual chikong contraction of their PC muscle
during sex. Please read http://www.actionlove.com/love/ch-sex.htm and
http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case9171.htm .
Note that contraction of the muscle will cause testosterone to burn into bioelectric
energy and DHT, both will promote the local sensory and motor nervous function. It is
good for women since it increases the vaginal sexual response (orgasm!), not good for

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men since it promotes the prostate sexual response (ejaculation!). If you want to
prolong your intercourse without ejaculation or re-circulate your sexual energy, you
can only use the ligaments and muscles around the bladder and tail bone to burn
testosterone into the bioelectric power to charge the parasympathetic/sensory nervous
circuits in S2-S4. This trick of Jing-Chi translation is the basic principle of my sexual
chikong breathing as described in
http://www.actionlove.com/love/chikong.htm
http://www.actiontao.com/image/anal.htm
Many readers, after mastering this trick, can make love for longer than a hour without
ejaculation.
http://www.actionlove.com/cases/7715.htm
http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case2res.htm
and more examples in
http://www.actionlove.com/extra/kungfu.htm

This is why Sexual ChiKong Intercourse is a most powerful lovemaking technique for
men and women's multiple orgasms.

4. is there a method to develop both jing n chi?

Jing-Chi translation can be done in two ways - one is in the brain to help acetylcholine
and dopamine syntheses (requiring DHEA and testosterone; DHEA - the Kidney Yin;
testosterone - the Kidney Yang); the other is in the pelvic area, as described in the
Item 3. Since the pelvic cavity, particularly around the prostate, traps a high level of
testosterone due to the high density of testosterone receptors in the local tissues. If
you don't translate it to Chi, it will promote libido and ejaculation. If you can not
convert it all, you have to ejaculate to release the pelvic congestion and to unlock the
brain's testosterone negative feedback controller. That is why optimal ejaculation can
promote testosterone/sperm production, and then increase your Jing and Chi
immediately. Foods and dietary supplements which contain brain's chemicals and
hormone-building substances, are essential for develop Jing and Chi. This is why the
old Taoists developed herbal formulas and recipes for Chinese Emperors and nobles
who "owned" more than 10 wives and had sex very night with wives. These formulas
have modified generation by generation, as the Chinese herbal medicines. Our
PeniSOS and ViaGrowth products have been formulated based up these old Chinese
formulas for the Chinese Emperors/Empresses. They can help old emperors last longer
and ejaculate more without experiencing sexual exhaustion. Image that a 60-year old
emperor had to have sex with 2-5 20-year old ladies in one night. They must have
some ways to help the old emperor hold erection for 1 or 2 hours without ejaculation.
Yes, once you master my sexual chikong breathing and the principle of sexual orgasm,
you can last for 2 hours without ejaculation. The tricks are, (1) don't let your urethra
be over stimulated, and (2) power your penis to an extreme size to create a high
penile blood pressure to block the urethral nerve communication between the glans
penis and prostate. Once the old emperor cold hold his ejaculation back and his
erection up, then he made his younger partner come again and again, so that he could
extract her sexual energy from her Epicenter (the female prostate) to his tail bone
(the first acupuncture point of the Governing Vessel) via his glans penis
(parasympathetic/sensory nerves via S2-S4) with his sexual chikong (Microcosmic) Chi
circulation. Practicing the Microcosmic Chi Circulation with my 3-point excitation love
position during sex can make women come in a very short time while men can
experience multiple orgasms without ejaculation. When I have my wife orgasm with
this love position while I am practicing the Microcosmic Chi Orbiting, I feel a sequence
of burning sensation waves traveling along my spine from my tail bone to my brain.
After sex (even with ejaculation), I become fully awake. This is why we like to make
love in the morning every day when testosterone is very high. Every morning, we
want to burn the testosterone in our sex organs (my penis, her clitoris and
G-spot/urethral spongy tissues) to charge our Yin and Yang Chi, and keep our love
tools polishing with the super hormone DHT (dihydrotestosterone) produced by the
testosterone burning, so that I can keep our natural penile/clitoral/G-spot enlargement
working. We both take our ViaGrowth-IV and drink our Fibra + Ginseng tea daily to
retain high levels of acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, DHEA and testosterone with a
well-balanced estrogen. Sex let us recharge our body and retain our Chi levels like

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20-year young people. This is the most important result of our Jing-Chi translation
practice via sexual intercourse and orgasm. Our another discovery is the natural
penile/clitoral/G-spot enlargement which can be done by burning sufficient
testosterone in the local tissues when the penile erection and G-spot/Clitoral
engorgement become extremely hard. The spongy tissues in the penis, clitoris and
g-spot will become more and more erectile and inflatable. Women can not achieve
orgasm without burning testosterone in the clitoris or urethral spongy tissues (G-spot
and Epicenter). This is why clitoral orgasm makes the clitoris become too sensitive to
touch ( the resting potential - the Chi, in the clitoral sensory nerves become
overcharged by burning too testosterone in the tiny clitoral shaft and glans!). Our
third discovery is that women practice our Sexual Chikong Intercourse can narrow
down her vaginal size and produce a powerful suction force on the penis during sex.
After more than 26-year lovemaking and having two daughters, my wife vagina is
tighter than that in her 20s.

5 . will there be any effect if i do not ejaculate for a year?

Your testosterone negative feedback controller will be locked up and downregulated.
That is, the lockup threshold becomes too low to have your testicular function worked
properly. Your body will have a high level of Wei Chi (extreme Yang), too stressful, not
good for social life, due to a long-term accumulation of Yang and a long-term depletion
of orgasmic hormone Oxytocin - the emotional and social hormone. In addition, The
semen in the seminal vesicles is like a pond of dead water. If you have never
ejaculated for a week, your semen become very yellowish and very thickly creamy and
particulate. If you have retained the semen for a long term, said several years, like
Buddhism Monks, the particulate semen (containing minerals) may form a lot of solid
pearls (I call them the seminal stones), like kidney stones. This is why Buddhism
monks can leave certain number of pearls after cremating. The seminal stones are
fire-resistant. Buddhism uses the seminal stones to symbolize the degree of how a
monk resists sexual temptation. Statistically, the average life span of monks is shorter
than that of married men who enjoy sex. Well, the Chinese history said "The Yellow
Emperor around 2600 B.C. had more than thousand young wives and lived up to 160
years." (I like this: Love longer Live Longer!) The Taoists have considered he was the
founder of the Chinese nation and Taoism. The Chinese sexual bible called "Suu Nui
Ching - the Plain Girl" was written according to his conversation with his three female
sexual advisors and two medical doctors. You may wonder why Taoists have considered
sex can prolong life and health. Suu Nui Ching advises men how to use intercourse to
cure health misalignments for both sexes, and how to extract sexual energy from
young women to prolong male life. I like that ideas, but unfortunately, I have only one
old wife.

Generally, men after middle age may dry up the seminal vesicles if they don't eat
enough sexual nutrients. Then, the reproduction/sexual function will naturally
diminish. Of course, no more semen is available for ejaculation. A lot of men ejaculate
nothing or blood if they are forced to ejaculate. Furthermore, a lot of men start to
experience the prostate disorder after midlife. One of the prostate disorder results
from a lack of the prostate flushing (ejaculation). So, an optimal ejaculation is
essential for health and sexual function.

DID YOU GET THAT???

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I once saw a tcm guy, talking on the discovery channel about this.

To put it simply

"Woman have sex ten times in one night, she fine"

"Man have sex ten times in one night, he die"

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I've gone out with a lot of fine women.

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During my first few months as a monk, I would have a lot of dreams about sex and
naked women. None of them ever turned out to be wet dreams though. After a while
though, they finally quit. All the meditation practice allowed my self to break through
the more coarse forms of sexual desire. Now it's just really subtle; sometimes so much
that I can't even tell it's sexual desire.

But that was definitely an interesting read, Doc.

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Fa Hui, what do you know about ejaculation, having been a monk and all.

And, like, are you allowed to have sex now, since you're no longer a monk?

Just curious....

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You know what they say about curosity and cats. (Like that has anything do with
anything).

Yes. To answer your question, I am allowed. The problem is when I tell women that I
used to be a monk, they just kind of lose interest for some reason. I haven't been able
to explain it. But I haven't been able to explain why women do anything that they do.

But you can probably be completely awakened and still be totally mystified on why
women do the things they do.

Explains why most monastic orders are celibate.

All you really have to do, I guess, is watch out for the nuns.

Especially the ones w/ claws.

Hell, they all have claws.

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