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Jeremy Clift Interviews Development Guru Hernando de Soto
Jeremy Clift Interviews Development Guru Hernando de Soto
Jeremy Clift Interviews Development Guru Hernando de Soto
PEOPLE
HERNANDO DE SOTO has star appeal. He is on the must- new urgency since the terrorist attacks on New York and
call list of many world leaders. He is feted by the press and Washington in September 2001. In the early 1990s, his pro-
funded by international development agencies. His think posed reforms were credited with turning people in Peru
tank in Peru has produced some of the most influential against the Shining Path Maoist guerrillas, and the 62-year
work in development economics, while his best-seller The old de Soto argues that his ideas can also be a potent weapon
Mystery of Capital was hailed by The Economist as “the most against terrorism internationally by helping remove a major
intelligent book yet written about the current challenge of source of discontent.
establishing capitalism in the developing world.” Part of de Soto’s skill is in telling stories that everyone can
In it, de Soto argues that, despite capitalism’s triumph relate to. One of his most famous is his barking dog story.
over communism, the market system is in deep trouble as The way de Soto tells it, he was vacationing on the
long as so much of the world remains poor. The key to both Indonesian tourist island of Bali when he was asked to give a
spurring development and securing capitalism is enabling presentation about his ideas on property rights to the
tens of millions of poor entrepreneurs across the third Indonesian cabinet in Jakarta. They told him property rights
world to become part of the system rather than excluded were fine, but how, they asked, do you sort out in practice
from it by bureaucracy and red tape. who owns what? “I told them that when I had been walking
Hearing
the Dogs Bark
Jeremy Clift interviews development guru
Hernando de Soto
Unusually for an economist, de Soto was a successful in Bali—one of the most beautiful places on earth—I had no
businessman before he founded his think tank, the Institute idea where the property boundaries were as I strolled
for Liberty and Democracy (ILD), in Lima in the early through the rice fields,” de Soto said. “But the dogs knew.
1980s (see box, page 10). He accumulates more frequent- “Every time I crossed from one farm to another, a dif-
flier miles than many corporate bosses, bringing all the ferent dog barked. Those Indonesian dogs may have been
skills and tools of a marketing expert to sell his idea that the ignorant of formal law, but they were positive about
main problem of development is not that the poor in the which assets their masters controlled.” Recognized infor-
third world lack capital, but that many lack the legal title to mal property rights could be developed into a formal sys-
assets they already hold. Giving them legal title will unleash tem of property contracts by heeding the message of the
this “dead capital” so that it can be used as collateral for barking dogs.
loans to fund new businesses or expand homes. The metaphor is so effective that, like a musician with a
“They have houses but not titles; crops but not deeds; hit song, de Soto is asked to tell the tale again and again.
businesses but not statutes of incorporation. This explains And with good grace, he complies. “Basically, wherever we
why people who have adopted every other Western inven- go, we find the symbol of the dogs barking,” he says. “What
tion, from the paper clip to the nuclear reactor, have not we try to do at the ILD is build up a legal system of prop-
been able to produce sufficient capital to make their erty that is based on the realities already on the ground.”
domestic capitalism work,” de Soto argues.
De Soto’s populist approach has won many converts International family
among world leaders, from Russian President Vladimir Putin De Soto has an infectious enthusiasm. A bearded bear of a
and Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra to Mexican man, he comes from a family of international civil servants.
President Vicente Fox and Afghan President Hamid Karzai. His father, a lawyer, worked in the International Labor
One reason for his success is the zeal with which he promotes Organization in Geneva, and his brother, Alvaro, is an
his message. In the eyes of many, that message has gained a Under-Secretary-General at the United Nations. De Soto