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So uh come here..
Im want to make sure that Tara know it and Weinsteins gonna open bug on it
--
The Netscape CVG files the lock files they rely on the ND5 hash We dont have
4osI-
ND5has anymore So Jeff is gonna put hack in so that we dont bail when we
dont have lock file and we need to file bug so we can fix the
actually thing
In other words some of the security code goes urn is basically effecting things
that dont effect normal security right Its the lock files So once we really pull
security weve got to figure out way around this Did Jeff tell you about this
TH
Yeah
OK other question for You uh Moz medium versus Moz light Are we bothering
phone response
All right once we got to Moz Medium on Mac its kind of an all or nothing thing
TH Wecare
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You care
Moz Medium done in fact he took off while ago because hes pretty faced OK
Cathys here pulling the tree shes trying to all the editor files in the main
get
project Shes gonna have to sync with Gordon tonight All right Im gonna make
sure Im gonna stick around and make sum that that happens Tara how are you
holding up
All right
laughter Even though we didnt do anything wrong were still going to buy her
tequila
All right well weve got south park marathon going on up here in the swamp if
youre interested Um OK we Cathy is also going to try to tackle the rest of the
security stuff on Mac tomorrow OK and Scott may or may not be going in with
whole thing tonight so it looks like weve got lot of stuff hanging out tomorrow
Til OK
On the good side as near as can tell were over third done on the signing Is
people on that
Yeah so it looks like lot of the owners have not changed though Like when
people went and checked in for other people they didnt change the owners
TH Oh fuck well..
So weve got problem tracking who really owns it cause know lot of names
on there were mail and news people and uh theyre just uh..
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Yeah so. .so we need to let Lloyd know that tomorrow Did Lloyd come in from
OK yeah though he was working remote control from what heaiearlier Urn
you got the issue about um either Charlie or ffike signed file that we had to
Well you are gonna you were gonna let Michael know he had to the..
augment
TH Right already told Michael Michael changed the checklist and said dont mail the
TH Yeah he did it
just within the last half hour
TH mean he was down here hes still around unless he left mean he was here 10
minutes ago
This time of the night What in the hell did he come into the officis time of
night for
There you go Urn OK All right so Gordon said Macs going in for Java tonight
Javas uh
gonna clear everywhere right were gonna have the
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lihtright
TH Uh assuming that all works out yes
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project stuff./ Were gonna have lot of it done were not going to have all of it
done
TH Well its just the only again assuming everything works out the only security
Hey low lifes if the phone rings hand it over to Cathy all right
Your phone
Yeah
Ml right
break
Well that makes us stay Oh its got to be the great food No wait its the
release and so uh Ive been here for about uh dont know 60 hours or so and
urn you know like we have couch so can sleep But um were ripping out
security because you cant ship that its illegal against the law cause we live in
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really bountry urn. .and uh we cant ship out bunch of other stuff that was
written by weird people who wont let us ship it so were tearing out pieces and
sticking in stuff that we can stick in and it all has to be ready by like Friday And
that rneans we have to stay up lot longer than you ever would allow yourself to
drive And as far as know thats what happening tonight too So Irn waiting for
Gordon to check in After Gordon checks in then Im gonna go through and rip out
the
power plant that weve modified and use the power plant thats uh with the
development environment and do the same thing with the text editing tools so that
able to sleep
and its now about uh not far past 1130 so what is that grarnps...about um its
for me
shitload of time
Absolutely
Im absolutely Sober
You know am
Oh OK All right Im gonna be downstairs lying to Tara and Michael in the build
pit OK
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All right do it
good this time
Light work
Yeah normal
laughs uh...
Im...this is why Im here got like hours last night Urn got in at like in
at spent hours fixing something which we still dont know what caused it and
we got rid of the problem by commenting out one line of code and like one file and
one location..
Yeah it took us three hours to find it and we still dont know exactly what caused it
but were happy that it works and uh Im still pulling 60 hour week and Ive
still got like project on top of that and this project is kind of like getting more and
Yeah this is
my job right now
Uh theres always more work at the end theres always more work at the end
However were trying to make who stayed up late the people who actually screwed
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up People who should stay up late at then end are the people who have made the
errors and have to fix them Unfortunately when you get down to the end in
/ who have
something like this they just have to keep the people to fix the problems
and usually the people who make the problems arent the people who can fix the
problems So would have to say that this is not the TV interruption worst Ive
ever seen it Its not that bad theres not that here so late But
many people the
real Estate you sell to people the people are asleep at night When they go to sleep
manufacturing cars Manufacturing cars you do the exact same thing on the
could
thing you imagine Its like art for money It is the most frightening thing
because you never know when youre done except that they tell that its going
you
So this isnt Ive seen bad and this is not that bad
programming now for more than 20 years And uh would never do anything
else cant imagine what Id rather do Its the most remarkable combination of
magic and um mean get really romantic about it Its like the sorcerers
this so long ago now for me that uh its almost hard to remember it but its
know what he does but it makes something happen And of course that thing gets
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out of control and keeps going and thats the way the first
program you ever write
works You dont know why it works you dont know how it works you just
And you learn to worship the devil so you can make sacrifices to make the code run
spells And at first thats all they are have no idea how
just pure magic you
inside works at all And then one day look and you say wait
it
you this
\\anything
is
piece like that piece maybe could twist this part off of here stick it on to there
and pretty soon youre starting to take stuff And you could take and
apart it
apart
put it
together totally different
way now now its like whole new world You
think oh before didnt know anything now know something now and you
keep hitting new levels like that Its the exact perfect mix between something
really hard hard and fast like In the world the world
physics physics is way the
is You observe it to sort of write down what does and then you can
you try it
make predictions about what itll do in the future And the really really soft end
new worlds This is right in the middle Some stuffs hard and fast thats the
way
its gonna happen thats how much costs and thats the only can work
it
way it
which pieces do what part its exactly the right set of challenges never
nd get
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Uh dont know as much as Scott Scotts like walking God Hes like Buddha
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No Los Angeles
Whichever
first Urn shit First and prime way got in was games like
playing games
games are cool Games are what want to work on Games are what want to do
As for the time being Other than that was art My were
parents artists they were
kinda weird they gave me really stupid name and Ive resented them for it But
when first went into art was when my dad brought home Mac what was it 2C
and first learned to use Logo on that And uh that was in the ass but was
pain it
good fun After that was super paint and thought hmm this is kinds cool and
ended up hacking of
the operating system my computer and twiddling with it and
And just kind of woulh my way through here by being able to pick up bits
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friend John Enders and we used to read games magazine this is ack in the
70s and we saw this article in it about this new computer the Apple and uh it
was playing lunar lander or some cool game So we found out that it was being
we were both really you like 11 something like that dont remember the exact
year but it must have been like 1975 or something like that Walked all the way
down there and they had this machine there the Apple 2. And they didnt really
they had these Apple 2s and they piayZes And we played games all thy and
they let us And so of course like lab rats we went back the next day to play
And the
guy the first thing he said to us was arent here to
you guys play games
are you Now we might have wanted to play games but we werent stupid We
of course Oh no but then we had to think of some reason why we were there So
obviously it
was were here to ...program were here to program thats right
And he said great Handed us stack of books Uh it was like the Apple Soft
book and uh the manual for the computer couple of other things so we learned
how to
program We were writing programs within two or three days We became
consultants 11 and 12 years old we became consultants for this store And we
started writing programs for money for other customers who came in and wanted
stuff By the time was 12 years old was making $50 an hour programming
a...I
say computer programmer Make money now Its great
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fly Yeah you cant really walk it Its very very far Even by plane it take and
half hours Uh but they put me into special its like car but longer with
wings and urn laughs.. and get here and sleep most of the way dont drive
much when Im around here Uh you know its really really expensive to li
now than my entire family has ever made And in Michigan California money is
like the German mark is to the lira walk around with paycheck thats like
anf
executive back there So bought house that costs one fourth as much out there
than it does here And uh live quite nicely indeed with my wife and four sons
Its like hes from the fucking third world and shit
Its amazing Theres quite time change You know one two three its like the
60s back there or the 50s As you cross the time zones like here its something
like 1201 in the morning and its 1954 And of course when
there
go back get
lot of quizzes because Im computer expert People are always saying things
though cant really do Michigan accent Theyre not all like that but
u3jgL_.-.
more than my fare share of questions about computers Ive never heard And so
of
switch and it will have like and and you flick it toward the and then its on
And then there might be some kind of autoexec.bat file or something because
boxes or LINUX or half the things we have here since we write programs for
as cheap as possible so stay with friends and uh well you can see my cube is
decked out little better than other peoples have the extensive have
library
children pictures of my sons Calebs last birthday party have control of the
They miss me terribly The difference between California and Michigan can be
summed up in this this very very simple little statement Here it can never be dark
camera direction -I
Any time
definitely/always
buy round trip tickets always know how long Im
going to be back there never know how long Im going to be out here But
Thanks
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