ALLAH SPEAKS

Interview with Allah, The Father

November 15, 1968

Allah, The Father: Protect the child. Show him where if he doesn't do right he is going to go to jail, just
like the Muslims. I'm not against anyone but they are really teaching their children not to smoke, drink
or do anything to inquire other people to follow their standards. Now, I don't teach the child not to
smoke. I teach him to get the understanding what? Of it! Because I don't have no religion because that
doesn't do anything for him. Now if you taught the child under religion like the muslims, they say no
smoking and if you do smoke they send you out. They can force what? Religion! You can't win nothing
by force. If you give the child something to fight for, then show him what he is fighting for, he'll win his
war and you got to have the manpower to do it.

I am not against narcotics because the only way to stop a narcotics pusher from bringing it into this
country he must start using it his what? Self! Sending a person away that doesn't cure him. I used it.
That didn't cure me. I stopped my what? Self! So you got to keep the children together and you got to
kill all religion. Other than that you are going to lose all fighting in them and they will not have the heart
to kill and you got to have the heart to kill! You've got to! Everyone has to have the heart to what? To
kill to continue a strong country. And you can't say Russia is not strong because Russia is strong. Because
the children here use drugs they're going back to sleep. And now it's getting to your people. So they're
using it. And sooner or later you're going to see the downfall.

The hippies are losing the knowledge of themselves. You can't tell me they're not and they are.

Interviewer: Could you please explain?

Allah, The Father: They are losing the knowledge of themselves and their parents can't do nothing about
it. The only way their parents can get them back home is stop sending them money! And they will get
hungry and they will go back home, won't they? Won't they?

Interviewer: I don't know if they will.

Allah, The Father: They will go. They will go back home if they stop sending them money. And now they
are asking the United States to help find their what? Children because they are losing the knowledge of
what? Self. When you lose knowledge of self the country got to fall. Why they're leaving school? What's
the matter?

And the hippies...what happened down there with Rush when he was making a speech the other day?
Look what happened. People don't want to fight and this is what other countries love to what? To hear
whether you like it or not. If I had a bunch of men and they didn't want to fight, wouldn't another
country like to hear that? Huh? Wouldn't you if you was another country and you heard I didn't want to
fight? Wouldn't you want to hear that?

And the Five Percenters, I'm teaching them that they can't go on religion because religion has never did
anything for them. Like my mother, she said, "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus." I know he's over there in Jerusalem
dead in the earth because he hasn't showed me nothing.

Now I was in the Army. I don't teach them not to go in the Army. I went and I came back. I saw action. I
got the Bronze Star. I got all these medals. Now I came back home. I didn't benefit from it as by such as
luxury but I did benefit by knowing how to teach a man. To teach a man to make a boy a man. This is
what I did. I don't teach them not to drink. I teach them to keep their mouth what? Shut! And listen and
learn. Because I might tell them to drink to do exactly what I want them to do to get to that man I want
to get to. Just like the United States teach the FBI. I might make one a dope addict. If he's strong he'll
come out of it because there are many dope addicts that come amongst the people to catch who they
want and not to use it. I know this. I don't tell them not to fight for the country. They can fight! Now by
me telling them children that all my people are against me because they thought that I was suppose to
have came out, when I come from Mattawan, to join them and I haven't joined any of them yet and not
going to join them because I'm civilized. We don't talk about nobody on religion, politics, war and
protest in the United States.

Interviewer: Why not?

Allah, The Father: Because religious people fight against one another. You can't tell me they don't
because they do. They'll tell me that "why should you tell the child not to eat swine?" I say why it's in
your Bible in Leviticus & Deuteronomy. I'll show them where they are not even good religious people.
And they say they believe in the scriptures that the prophets brought to the people. You understand?
This is not only hurting them but it hurts you. It hurts everybody! So these are the things you've got to
keep away from your people, their people, my people to make a strong nation. And religious people
don't believe in killing. I do. Years ago the people would form a vigilante to get the others that didn't
want to go along with the rest of the people. Didn't they? If you hadn't did that would you have built?
Huh? Would you build? No! You couldn't have built because someone was holding you down.

I'm not against the United States for sitting over there in Vietnam. They should kill all of them people
that don't want to build and become civilized and have a sanitary country because the earth is supposed
to be built on. I'm not against it. Your people protesting against it. Now when your people protest
against it, it gets all the rest of the people to protest what? Against it. Like Muhammad Ali said, "They
burn their flag so why can't he burn it here?" Now where did this teaching come from? Did it come from
me? Huh? Did it?

Interviewer: Did what?

Allah, The Father: Yes, not fighting for their own country. Did it come from me?

Interviewer: Here is Mr. Belmont who heads the Division of Youth.

Father Allah: Glad to meet you.

Interviewer: He runs a start program and I will introduce you to the others that you don't know later,
O.K. If you sit down you won't be able to get up.

Mr. Belmont: Thanks. I love you.

Allah, The Father: Didn't this come from your teaching? If not where did it come from?

Interviewer: It came from those who feel that way.

Allah, The Father: Feel like for what? How did they feel that way? You should have taught your child
right and exact! How did they feel that way? You mean to tell me you don't know? You don't know who
come in your country and plant a seed. This didn't happen a few years back, did it?

Interviewer: Yes.

Allah, The Father: With how many people?

Interviewer: They're called conscientious objectors.

Allah, The Father: Yeah, but how many? It wasn't public. No, not in 1945 it wasn't public.

Interviewer: People called the Quakers since the very beginning of this country.

Allah, The Father: That was the Quakers.

Interviewer: And it was public.

Allah, The Father: And if you was a cold-blooded country you should have stopped that. Because in
another government if you don't go by the rules and regulations they'll kill you. You should have
stopped that. Because I know for a fact when I was in Japan and Korea the people who disobeyed there
something happened to them. Now if your country's in danger and they disobey, shouldn't you do
something to these people? Not only the Black but you'll now have to do it to your own. And what kind
of children y'all raising? What's going to happen if there is no fighting in them? What's going to happen?

Interviewer: I don't know. I'm not a prophet.

Allah, The Father: Well you don't have to be a prophet to know that you'll be the loser. Fighting,
prophets know about that. Doesn't a man lead the way? Isn't a man a teacher?

Interviewer: Yes.

Allah, The Father: Well he's a prophet then isn't he?

Interviewer: In that sense.

Allah, The Father: In all sense. If the United States don't wake up then they're going to lose because you
got babies in the army now and that's what you need in the army , those seventeen and eighteen year
old boys. That's what you need in the army. They got to be well qualified though. They got to be more
tougher than they are. The United States are the easiest people in the world because they live in luxury
where other people eat one day and last three. The Muslims taught me the same way. Eat one meal a
day, one every other day or one every three days, and they can do it! And they eat the proper foods to
keep them strong.

Interviewer: And who does this? The Muslims?

Allah, The Father: I'm trying to teach those Five Percenters to do it. I do it because I go on a six to seven
day fast. I don't eat nothing but drink water because if I don't I'll dry up. I don't eat.

And Stokely and H. Rap Brown they are really getting to the college students. Even your people because
they really don't want to go to no war. And then the other people are claiming that the United States of
America are using the uneducated people to fight the what? The war.

Interviewer: Do you think that's true?

Allah, The Father: Yes that's true. You can't send the captain into battle. He'll lead them into what? To
battle because I was never patrolled by a captain. The lieutenant took me on patrol because knowledge
kept him from going. Where as if they lose him, they'll have this one here. I wouldn't send the
knowledge man in the Army. I would have him train them or lead them. Now, today you don't even have
those young generals in the Army. All of them are old and they really don't know how to fight because
they are losing too many men over there in Vietnam. And this is what they like because Russia is so very
intelligent. You're fighting but they're not losing their men, are they? Are they?

Interviewer: No. Not that I know of.

Allah, The Father: I'm telling you but you knew it. Now who's in charge the most, you or Russia? Russia is
very strong. And now Douglas...I read about him a little while ago. He pulled out and don't have much to
do with the United States much more. Do he? Why? The United States have done a wonderful job. They
have went all over the country and help build up for the low class people because that's their duty. Now
my people are looking at it this way. They said if you can support the other countries, why can't you
support the people that's in you're own country? You can make all those people bear witness where so
much propaganda won't get out of the country. Now pictures have been got out of the country. Riots
done started. Isn't this the downfall to any country? And then those people come running out of the
(sic). The educated only know how to tell the other low class people what the people in this country are
doing to them. Now the people are making statements that you spend eight million dollars or a billion
dollars for a rocket and people here starving. This going all out now. They're sending pictures out that
people got special privileges. And nothing stops it. The only thing that's going to stop it is the children
will stop it by not listening to those what? People! If you show some kind of love to the child you can
stop it. And putting those laws in effect. When these people come here from different countries or
different states put them in jail! That's the same if the government if they don't. When they give these
people (sic) money, people don't want to pay for their children, they should put him in what? Jail! And
they gonna have to do it. They're going to have to do it. Other than that, they are going to lose the
children and there is nothing I can do about it.

Now, they love me. There is so many Five Percenters it's something else. There still is nothing I can do if
you don't show the child in different ways that you care about the child. If you don't Brown going to get
to them. Carl Stokely going to get to them or Kissick going to get to them. Many people going to get to
them. Because what I'm telling you brother as if to the child, if they shouldn't do it, the first thing their
going to say is "You see? You didn't get nothing any" what? "Way!"

And Muhammad Ali is sure showing a good example. Here is what he's fighting. Don't want to go to the
army. He is a very intelligent man. There are many Muslims who went onto jail. He's fighting it. He's
fighting to show the world that he gets not only recognition from the Muslim World but from your
people too from all over the country. Because why? They want to see America fall whether you like it or
not. They want to see America fall and you know it too. I don't have to tell you that. You know they want
to see America fall. And you got many people here that you think is on your side but is not. That's just
like "The Invaders," a picture I saw the other night. We might look a-like but we may not be a-like. See
un-alike attract and a-like repels. Now un-alike attract is between me and you. If we have the same mind
together then it is not un-alike. It is a what? Like!

And I know the date is the 15th. That means knowledge and power. Now, no one told me this.
Tomorrow is the 16th, means knowledge equality. Next day, knowledge god. Next day is knowledge
build or destroy. Next day, knowledge born, because a child must go through the birth record. When
he's one years old he has knowledge. When he's two years old he has the wisdom, he can talk. Three
years old, he has understanding. Four years old, he has his culture. Five years, he has his power. Six
years, he has his equality; he's able to go to the bathroom. A man do not come into the understanding
until he goes into his thirty years. Then he goes into the understanding. He goes into knowledge,
wisdom, understanding, all of this. No one told me this. I even know the teachings of your calendar. This
month means Now Cipher Victory, November. Next month is Divine Equality See. No one told me this!
That's why I don't talk. I listen. Many people like to talk, they like the spotlight. I don't like to talk. They
didn't tell me how to master the twelve calendar. The twelve months only mean the government goes
from knowledge to wisdom. That's all. They knowledge and what? Wisdom!

In the Bible it teaches that Jesus had many disciples but they only had knowledge and wisdom. Jesus
was the thirteenth. He had knowledge and understanding. He was the only one that they had to kill him.
Because why? He had knowledge and what? Understanding! Where the other ones had the knowledge
and wisdom they could go and get Jesus. He was the only healer. You understand that? Now this is the
way it is. You can't do the wisdom until you have the knowledge, right? Right? When you go to school
you got to have the knowledge before you could come out and put that into practice. And they don't
know you got it until you go out and put it into practice. This is why I teach the child to go and get the
knowledge, come back and put it into practice, then the people will get the what? Understanding! Then
they'll know your culture. No one taught me this. See? And I'm telling you the knowledge now because
this is the eleventh month means knowledge what? Knowledge. This is the eleventh month. The tenth
month means knowledge add a what? Cipher! That means if I had the knowledge and I tell you
something and you didn't know it, I have a cipher. Didn't I? Didn't I? No one told me anything. And this is
what you better do because I'm telling you.

To hold any nation together, I read in a book what a white man said one time and I take all book
knowledge and use it to benefit myself. I don't care who I heard it from. He said the wealth of a country
is the children. Not the money. Once upon a time there was no money. The wealth of any country is the
children. And if you don't keep the young people strong, how you going to win? Bombs can't do it. The
bombs haven't made Vietnam submit. There has been no country in the world that bombs have been
dropped on them more than Vietnam.

Interviewer: When you say strong. What do you mean strong?

Allah, The Father: You got to have the manpower!

Interviewer: How do you make them strong? In what way do you get the young people strong?

Allah, The Father: Feed them the right foods. Don't teach religion.

Interviewer: A lot of people think that helps make people strong.

Allah, The Father: Well Mayor Wagner don't think so...I mean Mayor Lindsay don't think so. He said that
the churches and the organizations have lost it! That they cannot control the children! Now, where do
they keep them at? That's why Mayor Lindsay is the greatest mayor that ever been. He tells the truth.
He's a great mayor. He gets out with the people. Now he got a TV show so he make communication.
Now he's going out there in California. Mayor talking about "I got to meet Barry tonight" to get off the
telephone to make a special call to something else. Mayor Lindsay the greatest mayor who ever lived.

Interviewer: What is the right foods you're talking about?

Allah, The Father: Don't eat the swine!

Interviewer: Everything else is all right?

Allah, The Father: No, everything else isn't all right. Don't eat no shrimp. Don't eat no crabs. Don't eat
none of that food.
Interviewer: Crabs?

Father Allah: Lobsters.

Interviewer: Seafood you mean?

Allah, The Father: Yes. There's other seafood. Don't eat no buffalo fish because it doesn't have no scales.
Anything bite it, the poison go right into it. If the fish has a scale, you bite it; the poison doesn't effect it
because of the texture. Don't eat the old, eat the young. Because you shouldn't eat meat at all period
because you're taking on animal protein so you still spoil the human being system. If you are going to
eat meat eat the best. Not only is it good for you, it's good for me too.

Interviewer: What's the best kind of meat?

Allah, The Father: Beef. Lamb. Fish. Don't eat buffalo fish because it has no protection. Something bite
it, the poison go right into the fish. If you bite a fish with a scale, does the poison go into it? Don't eat
tuna over 150 pounds but most tuna come over 150 pounds.

Interviewer: How do you know?

Allah, The Father: I'm telling you how it comes because civilized people know.

Interviewer: Are there any kinds of other foods?

Allah, The Father: There are many kinds. Don't eat butter beans. Don't eat collard greens because it
belongs to the weed family. Eat the white cauliflower because it melts in your mouth. The spinach you
eat that. The broccoli you eat that. Cauliflower you eat that. There are certain foods you have to eat.
You've got to save your own what? Self! No medication can save you.
Interviewer: What about the people who do eat it?

Allah, The Father: Well that's their business. That's their business. Don't worry about them. Don't you
eat it. That's why many women not built up. They eat the wrong what? Food and can't hold a baby. Can't
hold it. So don't worry about the other people. All you do is tell them. Save yourself. Live as long as you
can. Now when I do stop eating meat I know I have to stop drinking wine. See?

Interviewer: Why can't you? Why so?

Allah, The Father: Because the liquor will have nothing to eat on. It will eat me up. There are many
things you got to understand. This is why President Johnson got an operation on his hand. You know?
And it won't heal. And when they sewed it up it wouldn't stay together. Why? Because it's decayed. You
know what I mean by decay? It won't stay what? Together. It's not solid. It's decayed. Because when you
sew it together, you find some people they sew it together. They have a bad break in and it open, the
thread keep pulling apart as it tighten up it come right on what? Through. It won't close up. Why? It's
decayed.

Why you think people get old? Do you think when you get old you call it a blessing? Do you call it a
blessing when you get old? Huh? That's no blessing! That's long suffering!

Interviewer: (Laughing) But everybody gets old.

Allah, The Father: Do they? I'm not going no more further! I'm 39 years old meaning understanding
born. I'm not going no further. If I do want to go further then I know how to kill myself by taking on the
wrong what? Foods! Doing the wrong what? Things! That's how you get old.

Interviewer: Do you think you're going to get older?

Allah, The Father: Not me! Not me!

Interviewer: You're not going to get older?

Allah, The Father: Not me!

Interviewer: How do you know that?

Allah, The Father: I know it!

Interviewer: How do you know?

Allah, The Father: Because I know what it do for me. I know what it do for me.

Interviewer: Then your body won't change?

Allah, The Father: Not mine. Because I'm going to tell the truth. I'm not going to talk about no one. I'm
just going to tell you what they do and you can't bring an accusation against me. I'm only telling you
what they did because I'm studying them. And all things were put forth before I became involved myself
into the knowledge of self and let them know. I can tell them all about them but they can't tell me
nothing about me because I'm a new breed that they don't know about. Now what they're going to tell
about me when I can tell them all about themselves?

I can show a religious man that he never led anyone to God. Not the Pope or anyone. They all died and
all the people in the Bible died. Now where are they? Where are they? The only way you will find God if
you keep on reproducing until he make himself known. And the Pope, he supposed to be a successor to
God. Where they show the people? Have they? Elijah says W. D. Fard is God. Where is he? They make
me sick. And they talk about people and religious people talk about people. What meant to be is meant
to be. If it wasn't meant to be would it ever be? Would you see it? Huh? So don't talk about nothing!
As life change you change. If you don't change you are going to die. Change with the young people. If
you stay around young people you'll stay young. Two old people can't tell two people how to do. I don't
want nothing old. I don't want no old woman. I'm going to keep young women. I don't know what you
want. Do what you want to do. I don't want none. I don't want no old woman. You can have one if you
want to. I don't want one. I want to be around young people. They will keep me active.

And they always bringing me something to tell me. So, know what I do? I sit right there like Barry, he's
the head of the task force and all his satellites go out and they bring him back all the information. He's
just sitting right there. That's the same thing I do. They go out, bring me back all the information, tell me
how you all treating them. That's good because they educate me don't they? Don't they? Just like the
captain. He says, "Come on. Come say this to me. I ain't going to tell nobody". If you don't tell nobody
they can't make it known to the people what people are what? Talking about can they? Sure can't.

Interviewer: Who is Barry?

Allah, The Father: Barry Gottehrer.

Interviewer: That's the mayor's aide?

Allah, The Father: He just sit there and all of them come with information. He sit right there. (Mimicking
Barry) "uh huh, uh huh, uh huh". And he don't write nothing down. He's so intelligent he don't write
nothing down. He puts it all into his mind. Now isn 't that the most intelligent man? If I entrust a man
with information he can't put it on no paper. He must carry it in his mind because if someone took the
paper they would have everything they want. Now if he don't tell them they won't know what? Nothing!

This is why the U2 power is a disgrace to the United States of America. Because if he had everything
they would take his life and they didn't do it. And he come back home and got a divorce from his wife.
He going crazy. That's what he's going to go because he wasn't a man. It would have been better for him
to take his life than be a disgrace. That's why his wife left him. Nobody else don't believe it but that's
why she left him. He wasn't a man! He take on a job like that then won't carry it through, he wasn't a
man. You don't find many Russia people that will do that. And the woman are strong like the men.
The women in the United States of America they dominate their men because they can put you in jail.
Can't they? They put you in jail! And they got certain men that carry out their orders. Women are
something else. Then the men wind up killing their women. Just "Pow!" Blow their head off. A woman
couldn't get me to kill her to make me go and suffer behind prison. I'll go have her arrested you
understand? And tell the woman to leave me what? Alone and I'll take care of the babies. Just get me a
job. You think she can get me to kill her? Not me! Not me! That's why I tell all Five Percenters about this
story in the Bible about Samson and Delilah. Boy, when he let that woman know what was happening,
she blind him boy. She turned him over to another government. He woke up and he find all of them. You
understand that? Why? By telling that woman what's happening. And that government caused him...she
caused him to lose his life. A woman can't tell me nothing but just go there and cook. They don't need to
tell me nothing. And I don't think it's right to put a woman over a man. That's why I agree with those
people who were going to try to blow up the Statue of Liberty. Because she's holding the torch. That
supposed to represent the woman holding a torch. Then they say justice is blind (laughs). Because she
has a thing around her neck, around her eyes. Justice can't see (laughs). There is a sign to all these
things. And the Liberty Bell is cracked. Liberty ain't got no crack in it. Liberty is the truth! Ain't no crack.
All this is a sign. That woman knows that she's holding the torch. She can't do nothing to me though.
Can't do nothing to me. Because if I do something to her I will tell the judge "Yes I did" and why I did it.
Then if he wants to give me any justice, I don't worry about it because I know nature is going to take its
course.

They sent me to Mattawan because I said I was Allah. Then they certified me out of Mattawan as Allah. I
could have sued this city. But I don't want no money. I wouldn't give them any money because all they
would do is sport and play. That's all children do with money is sport and play.

Interviewer: What do you want them to do?

Allah, The Father: I want them to live in America and help protect their country if the government do
right by them. The ones that help protect the country the government should do right by these. The
ones that don't the government should do away with them.

Interviewer: Besides them fighting how else could they protect themselves?

Allah, The Father: Unite. Let your children and them unite together and create new ideas. Where the
world is building a square now it's going to be building a circle. And they don't need your ideas no more.
Your ideas did what you was supposed to do. All you got to give them is the basis because they'll do it
them what? Selves! See you can see where ideas have traveled for many years cause when you first
come to this country there were no houses. It went from the log cabin to this. So each generation
brought this about right? So let the children bring about another new world.

Interviewer: Through education?

Allah, The Father: Or be destroyed.

Interviewer: Build an education?

Allah, The Father: I said build a nation or be destroyed. And if you stop them from mingling together it's
over with. It's over.

Interviewer: What do you mean by that?

Allah, The Father: You can't accomplish nothing!

Interviewer: Stop mingling together?

Allah, The Father: The children.

Interviewer: I don't understand. Stop mingling together?

Allah, The Father: Why? Don't they supposed to give their knowledge to each other?

ah:

Interviewer: Always.
Allah, The Father: Well if you stop it is over because they will not have no ideas to build. They don't have
it now. You don't see young men building. You see the old men building. What's going to happen when
they can't do no building no more? Your leg.

Interviewer: What about it?

Allah, The Father: It hurts right?

Interviewer: A little.

Allah, The Father: Not a little. A lot because you got to have a crutch.

Interviewer: I guess.

Allah, The Father: But then you be the crutch for the young children until they are able to walk. You
need that until you are able to walk. And for the benefit of any country certain people got to change. It's
not a shame in change. There's not a shame. Because people now don't even want to walk in Harlem.
They did it this year because I was home. That's why there was no riot in Harlem. They did it this year
because I'm going to stop it all. I'm going to stop crime. Do you hear me? The houses and buildings that
you all are in you going to have to give these to children as dormitories for the children. I'm going to
stop crime. Hitting people in the head, killing people, that's a shame. This boy killed these two people, a
boy and a girl. Wasn't that a shame? What he kill them for? That sucker said that was their...what they
call that? They have to sacrifice human life. Kill a human life. He was an Uhura. Is that what he was?

Interviewer: Yoruba.

Allah, The Father: Don't you see where these people coming from? Now, people who even teach that
doctrine should be eliminated. I can't do it because you'll put me in jail or those other people will put me
in jail. I can't do it. The government have to what? Do it. Then if you eliminate these people, the people
will say where they gone? Got to kill humans for sacrifice. Now that lady lost her son, right? The other
lady lost her daughter, right? Now the only thing they'll give that man is maybe 20 or 30 years. It will be
life, but he's still alive, right? And they don't have capital punishment in New York no more unless killing
a police. Now they been crying themselves. Now they done took their guns away from the police really
because he can't shoot nobody unless they attack what? Him. So you don't think that the United States
is going backwards? Huh? You going to see. You going to see. You going backwards. Look at those
people that went and killed those three brothers in the real estate business. Now when they catch them
what they going to give them? Only life, right? That's all. And then they might not even serve the time
out if the United States don't act right. Because they're going to lose and all prisoners will be set free.
Because they know that these people came with the United States of America and they'll do anything to
fight for their life. Won't they? United States better wake up.

Interviewer: They are bringing the street pedestrians to New York on the 4th in order to free them.

Allah, The Father: I hope you keep them if they don't obey. Keep them. Isn't it best to keep them, if they
stagnant, in chains? He sure should be. I wish you take all the people that are bums and put them in the
jailhouse so that these children won't grow up and see them. Then they won't be a what? A bum. You
hear me? Keep them all. Don't let them out in prison. Because I'll go directly to the Police and will help
send them to prison if they don't say nothing. And this is exactly what you should do. And you shouldn't
let them out in prison. They supposed to be tormented. If I do something wrong it's the same thing. I
supposed to be tormented myself.

I went through Mattawan and nobody did nothing. One officer hit me one time. The Doctor, if I would
have told that doctor that officer hit me and I didn't do nothing to him, they would have fired that
sucker. They tried. They said "where is he Allah? Let me know who he is." I wouldn't tell them. And the
officer know he was wrong because I ain't do nothing to him, just enlightened him. And when he found
out who I was he didn't do that no more. I didn't do nothing to him. And no one was supposed to be
able to get me out of there because I was the law there. I was under the Doctor and they had some very
intelligent doctors there. Especially Dr. David P. Johnson, the Director. Because if I was to protest I
couldn't protest because they would send me to the court and the Deacon. And boy whatever the
Doctor say that judge do not go against it. And I didn't have to go too sad. I didn't have one thing in
Mattawan. I didn't protest what they gave me to eat. If they gave me that meat, I didn't eat it. I had
money and everything I want in Mattawan. I wouldn't buy no food. I wanted to show them exactly who I
said I was and I was going to prove it. All I wanted them to do is ask the questions. And I know I was the
only one that could give it to them. And they let me out of there. I could have sued New York City for
putting seven charges against me and I hadn't did any of them. I didn't do a thing. I had been shot with a
double-barreled shotgun and a high powered rifle. And I don't run from no Muslims or nobody else.
Because I know if I'm telling you the truth, if that don't stop you, then nothing else will. And them
doctors let me right out of there. And now the officers are so friendly and intelligent and love me they
expressed to me that I can go out by myself. And Mattawan is a place when you go there, they say you a
criminal in what? Sane. Meaning that you cannot control your emotions. And I had just been...I hadn't
been in the hospital too long.

The people been taking advantage of me ever since I said I was Allah. And I know when I said I was Allah,
the Muslim whole world was what? Against me. I don't care. And now they really against me because
I'm not anti-white nor pro-black. They really against me because everybody is against the white. Well let
me tell you something. Who is man if he ain't man? Tell me! So this is up to you to make your country
what? God! It's up to you and if you don't teach the young right you're not hurting me, you're hurting
yourself. Now I can gain power by even not turning them over to the law. Couldn't I? When they come
to me about his stuff I can say no I don't know nothing about these gangs and 85'ers. Right? I don't want
that kind of power. That's not power. Power comes through the truth. That's what power comes
through. I don't want that kind of power so that these other so-called American Negro leaders are trying
to gain. I don't want that kind of power. And I don't recruit no old people. None! None! You can be of
help and you got to know something. I don't recruit no old! I've got 4 or 5 old now. They give me their
children. I don't recruit no old. And anybody can be a Five Percenter, white, I don't care who they are
can be a Five Percenter. Because a Five Percenter is one that is civilized. We don't talk about nobody.
And they are mad because Barry Gottehrer is a Five Percenter and his wife is getting a divorce from him
just because of that. Ain't that something? But the man is a man because he know the truth is the what?
Is the truth. And this is the only thing that is going to bring the country together and make it strong.
Now if he fall for his wife and "baby don't you do this and don't you do that" he'll be just like Samson in
the Bible by letting that jive woman run him. And the country will fall because the woman can't go no
further than equality and then she got to turn the babies to god to stay. That's why the government...he
let a child quit school at 16, only even knowledge what? Equality. And then he seventeen, the child
knowledge god. And that's his daddy. You can find any boy, if he don't know where his daddy at all he
got to do is look in the mirror and then he'll see him because he's looking at him. Who is your son if he
ain't you? Hmm? Can't you tell your son if someone come mess with your Earth? If you a apple and
that's your orange. If he don't look like you, boy, he ain't you. That's somebody else's. That's a matter
with your Earth. He's not you.

If a man can't...don't produce him a boy he's not blessed because the woman done cultivated his seed
into a girl. And he'll show you right there that he is not blessed. The woman is what? Blessed. Now me, I
let the woman cultivate my seed if I fall in love with her a little bit, you know, but there is no such thing
as love but yall ain't made for it. Now I let her cultivate the seed a little bit. I let her (?) but I'm blessing
her. If I don't want her to cultivate that seed I don't do nothing except make no love to her. I still go
(unghh!) she can't cultivate my seed. Now if the woman continue to cultivate the seed isn't that there
bringing destruction to man? Hmm? So if you don't continue to be men what's going to happen? She's
going to bring destruction to you because she's a cultivator. She's the Earth that you plant in just like this
Earth you build on. She'll bring destruction to you. Didn't you know that? A woman's a cultivator. She'll
turn you into a girl every time. And there are many men who don't have…yeah I'm about finnin' to go
anyway, I'll take a pot to go please, I like mine regular (laughter)…If a man don't become something,
then a woman going to become man. Every one of his child is a what? Is a girl! And you don't have no
girls in you. Man is what? Man! He's the creator of woman whether she like it or not.

And then you should...I know how to bring my own babies. I do. I do. After the birth, cut the thing then
hit him "bow," they go "ow!" That's all to it. I don't need nobody to bring mine. Like the average woman
go to the doctor, the man bring her to him she be like (sigh) "Oh doctor!" She give him all the love
whether you like it or what? Not. Cause he's right there and she's there all the what? Time. That's why a
man should treat his woman right.

Now, to me for one, I'm not never going to have one woman because a poor rat got one hole. See? I
found that out. I am not, you hear me woman? I'm not ever going to have one. Whoever love me, that's
who I'm going to love. I'm not loving no more, they have to love what? Me! Because I found that out
through my wife. She didn't write me a letter nor come to see me after 22 months. So now them young
girls love me. She say, "I'm surprised at you." I say "Oh honey don't worry about them my blessings"
because she saw me. And they young too. I like that. And I can teach them myself. After I get through
with her everything be alright because that means she's not contaminate. Because I'll show you
something. If your woman go to this church, right? And you go to another church, right? Isn't that
wrong? Because I'll tell you something right now. Now, if you have to go to church for someone to teach
your women…I'm not saying nothing about the Reverend or trying to make you feel bad or nothing like
that because I'm only going to tell the truth. My wife wanted to teach me Elijah Muhammad. She tried
to put my mind under the capture of that man. I said "woman you crazy!" She said, "what! What!
What!" I said "what! What!" I'm not going to let my woman go up under this man when I'm a man
myself and if I fall for that my children can never respect me. I don't need you to educate my child. It is
my duty to educate my child my what? Self! You understand that? But the preachers are so far
backwards that they have created teachings to educate that child. Don't you know if you take your child
somewhere and you don't have the knowledge of what that child is going up under that person is taking
your child's mind from you? He can control that child. I bear witness to this cause I know a man that
went to get his child from church and wanted to speak to his child alone. You know what that child told
that...told his daddy? "You have to talk in front of the preacher." What the...? I would have "bam!" I
would have knocked that sucker out! Telling me that he can't talk to me private and that's me. And
another man has my mind and my child's mind? Boy, I would have hit that boy so hard I would have
broke his jaw. So if you grow up under someone else's indoctrination and you don't understand where
that child is at or who that man is or what he's teaching that child. He's going to take your child. I
examine everything they teach mine. I go see the teacher and I look at him is he a sucker or a man. You
know I look at him. I look at him. I let him know, 'I'm looking at you sucker.' And I keep looking at him.
And I watch his ways and actions because I don't want him to have no feminine ways whatsoever if he's
teaching that boy! This is what I like about they said Ron...the method that the Governor up there in
Reers. He fired everybody. He fired a lot of people out of his office, or some of them, because he said
they were homo what? He a homosexual. Now this man is a man. See a whole lot of people don't go for
that but that man's a man because homosexuals bring on destruction to a what? A nation. The man is
right and a lot of people don't think the man is right but the man is what? He's right because
homosexuals bring destruction to a what? A nation.

And when you produce a girl. (Silence. Cuts in and out as if tape is edited) Hmm, no don't kill her. I can't
say that. I never said that. I never said that. I'm more daint than a non-violent man. I'm not violent. See,
you got a word for something which is right, you might say it's non-violent. You understand? But see
there is no such word as non-violent, you see, because I'm right in what I do. So to save my life I must
survive. I don't care what you call it. If you had food in your house and you won't give it to me and I have
to save my life, I'm coming in there. And that's the way you should come in my house because you got
to try and what? Survive! So if I'm trying to survive for my life you wouldn't call that violence would you?
Hmm? Now you can't call that violence. I know if you got everything and I ain't got any. You gonna make
me suffer. You got to kill me.

Interviewer: Are you talking about without having riots in the streets?

Allah, The Father: Do what? If I did something it wouldn't be a riot! I'd go to the government.

Interviewer: People would follow you.

Allah, The Father: I'd go to the government. You don't call that a riot. If the store got food in there and
you own that store and don't give no food you not going to riot if I go in there and get some food.

Interviewer: But you said you would be (sic).

Allah, The Father: I'm civilized. All civilized people say that.

Interviewer: That what you want boys to follow you.

Allah, The Father: And I want them to obey your orders, too.

Interviewer: Use a cooperative approach.

Allah, The Father: If you try to force on them religion you can't win because the child must fight for the
United States of America because he might make this what? His home. And if you continue to teach that
child about religion the first thing that boy going to be hollering out "Jesus Coming!" He ain't gonna
fight. You don't want to get them like this because they don't want to pick up no what? Arms. While this
country is getting weak Russia is building up, and not only this country building up the other countries.

Now, I don't tell the children not to go to war because I'll go back with them. I enjoyed the army when I
was in there. I enjoyed it. Because it's something to kill and don't worry about it. Some people kill and
have a conscious and go crazy behind it because they can't clear their mind up. Now, when I was in the
army I know I was fighting for the country and also myself. And I was one to come back home with many
units. And I'm reaping the benefits from it now whether I got anything or not. The United States of
America taught me to be discipline. They also done taught me how to raise me an army. They self
educated me to lessen all my trials and tribulations.

I have done messed with cocaine. I have done messed with everything but LSD and I'm not going to take
any of those trips. Did I gain from using cocaine? Yes. I know what it do for me. I start bringing it on my
ownself because I just had it because it freezed me. So by you going to all these other countries getting
all these results and bringing it back in…I know this because they made me a doctor. No army did this to
me. Every doctor talking about that "that's no understanding". So it helped me in the Army. The only
thing I need to know is where to get it at now. And also lily white come in what? Swaps! Because did it
harm you or did it hurt you? It don't hurt do it?

Interviewer: What you do with it?

Allah, The Father: Well, alright then. It couldn't harm me.

Interviewer: I think one of your boys have a question.

Allah, The Father: Well, they can ask anything they want.

Interviewer: You can go ahead.

Young God: I know my Father.

Allah, The Father: And he's always coming with questions.

Young God: Allah, you know like when we go to church on Sundays? Do we have to man?

Allah, The Father: Listen, son. I'm going to tell you something and I must say this. Listen, son. If you go
without force, it is good to listen and learn. Now if you're forced, don't go. Don't go. Because as a force
it's gonna make you not to be able to protect this country. It's going to put you in a state of mind that if
they don't get rid of this state of mind the country got to fall. And I don't want you under up nobody
else's command. I want you to stay right here in the United States. If you go with anyone to church do
exactly what they do, kneel. They didn't force me to go to church in Mattawan. They said "Allah we
don't have your service here." I said "if you did have Muslim service that is not my service." Because I
don't have no religion. And they didn't force me to go. They put on my paper "very religious man" and I
said, "No, I don't have no religion." They put on my paper that I was a leader and I said, "No, I'm not a
leader." Because if I said I was a leader then I would hold records of you and they would come and ask
for my records one day. So I don't have records. So that's when they come, if they come ask me and they
let me show no records of you. You understand that? So I say if you go. Go! Go! You'll benefit from it.

Interviewer: What about singing?

Allah, The Father: Plenty of singing. That's fine to sing. Sing!

Interviewer: It's almost Christmas time.

Allah, The Father: Listen. Barry Gottehrer was trying to get us a building so we could have a Christmas
party. Now, Muslims don't believe in Christmas. I would like to have a Christmas party for the Five
Percenters. You understand that? So if you want to go, go to church. You'll learn from it. You not going
there...

Interviewer: And you say if you're not forced. Are we forcing you to go to church?

Young God: I mean, there ain't no way we can get out of it.

Allah, The Father: Well go. Because I'm a show you why you have a right to go. Because if you hadn't did
anything wrong, you wouldn't be there would you? All I know is that you didn't do anything wrong when
it came to your mothers and I don't blame you because man don't have a mother. What is a mother?
Man don't have no mother. Who is my daughter if she ain't my wife? I give her away if I want to. And in
this country they'll say, "Oh you can't marry your daughter." That's my seed, I'll give her away if I want
to and not let nobody come in and try to steal her and contaminate my Earth. You understand that? And
I feel exactly the way the Queen and them do of England. That's my Earth. I give her away if I what?
Want to. Now, how many more concerns you have?

Interviewer: Thanks everyone.

Allah, The Father: Alright gentlemen.

Interviewer: Thank you very much.

Allah, The Father: Alright gentlemen. I'm not against nobody. I'm only trying to make the young people
strong together so that they can keep the country safe. Because this is a new country. Isn't it? You don't
keep it safe, you ain't going to reap the benefits from it. Because it's a new country. You know this is a
new country.