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Cold load spring design. #54184 04/29/13 04:01 AM
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05/25/11 I am having the doubt on Cold load spring design.
Posts: 8 1 registered
Loc: Normally the CAESAR will do Hot load spring design only. Where we can (Mrragpicker), 8
Tamilnadu,India find the Hot load of spring & Operating load both are same as well as Guests and 3 Spiders
vertical movement. online.

But If I invoke the cold load design, Operating Load & Hot load of spring Key: Admin, Global Mod,
is varied as well as vertical movement. Mod

My doubt is, Whether I can directly take the Hanger report for Hot load March
& vertical movement, or I have to take the operating load as Hot load & Su M Tu W Th F Sa
its movements as vertical movement of spring while doing cold load
design? 1 2
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Re: Cold load spring design. [Re: Gobinath] #54185 04/29/13 05:45 AM
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Re: Cold load spring design. [Re: Gobinath] #54245 05/01/13 11:09 PM
Gobinath
Member Dear mariog,

Thanks for your link.
Registered:
05/25/11
Posts: 8 I am understanding that spring balanced in any one position. I am trying
Loc: to balance the spring in cold condition. But in cold condition itself, it is
Tamilnadu,India not balanced.Both cold & sustained load at the spring points are getting
varied.Vertical movements are totally varied from spring report &
operating case.

I can give the spring supplier only two values. i.e). Hot (or) cold load &
vertical movement. If I give the preset load & vertical movement from
spring report, the spring will not reach this (spring report) vertical
movement & hotload in operating condition. If I give the operating
condition load as hotload & its vertical movement as spring movement,
the preset load will differ with our analysed preset load. So we can't
ensure that pipe will move to this vertical movement.

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Kindly help me to solve this problem.

Regards,
Gobinath

ashish123
Member My understanding, cold load and sustained load can differ due to

frictional effect of the system.
Registered:
06/24/12
Posts: 21 check the loads with and without friction.
Loc: india
your sustain load and cold load should match then.

model spring with friction if required.

mariog
Member Gobinath,

Registered:
09/29/07
Posts: 665 I'm not sure I understand what you intend to do, consequently I cannot
Loc: Romania help you to "solve" the problem.

A spring support is... a spring giving force. The force is not constant
because a simple spring cannot give a constant force.

A spring has a Spring Rate (lbs/in or N/mm); for example Anvil supports
fig 82, 98, B268 have different spring rates.

For this reason a spring cannot assure independent "cold load" and "hot
load"; the values are correlated with spring rate and pipe line movement
from the cold to the hot position.

In order to choose a proper size hanger, it is necessary to know the
actual load which the spring is to support and the amount and direction
of the pipe line movement from the cold to the hot position. A result of
size selection is the spring rate of spring support (and please note
cannot be "any" spring rate, there is a certain limitation in what
Manufacturer wants to consider as "spring").

As it is desirable to support the actual weight of the pipe when the line
is hot, the actual load considered in spring selection is the hot load. The
cold load is calculated by adding (for up movement) or subtracting (for
down movement) the product of spring rate times movement to or from
the hot load.

The above described "procedure" is the basis of Vendor spring selection,
however you can proceed in different way if you want; just think to the
benefits of your procedure! For example, considering an out of
engineering sense behavior, you can choose hot load (or cold load, if
you prefer!) complete arbitrary as 1kN for first support, 2kN for second
support etc. Is there a benefit doing this?

No, the goal is to properly "balance" piping by spring forces.

As a conclusion, it is nothing to be "solved".

Under normal circumstances "you want the springs balanced in the
Operating condition since that is where you want the piping to be all
the time. Therefore if the balanced position is the Operating case, then
all other load cases are not balanced."

If you want to do something different, you can do it!

Gobinath
Member Thankyou for your valuable reply Mr.Ashish.

Registered:
05/25/11 As per my understanding, Cold load & sustain load wont be same. Due
Posts: 8 to spring stiffness it will vary. We have to build one more case for actual
Loc:
Tamilnadu,India installed load. This actual installed load & sustain load will may equal.
And my analysis is without friction only.

Thankyou for your valuable reply Mr.mariog.

If my understanding is correct, while doing cold load spring design, we
should take Operating condition load & movement as Hot load & vertical
movement of spring & neglect the CAESAR Hanger report's Hot load &
vertical movement. If I calculate the cold load (preset load) with these
operating load, movement & spring rate selected by CAESAR, the cold
load used for analysis is exactly arrived. Depending on supplier spring
rate, this cold load will be slightly varied. These slight variation, any way
we have to accept.

Once againg thanks to you all for your valuable replies.

Regards,
Gobinath.S

ashish123
Member Mr. Gobinath,

Registered:
06/24/12 Sorry, i did not get that.
Posts: 21
please let me know,what is the difference between installed load and
Loc: india cold load.

thanks in advance.

regards

Gobinath
Member Dear Mr.Ashish,

Registered:
05/25/11 Please check the Technical Reference Chapter3 page127 & Chapter6
Posts: 8 page11. There the actual cold load has been explained.
Loc:
Tamilnadu,India Installed load & cold load are same only. But there is different between
calculated theoretical cold load & actual cold load.

Regards,
Gobinath

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