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Understanding Vedic God

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Note: By ‘God’ we imply Ishwar or the Supreme


Entity and NOT ‘Devata’. ‘Devata’ is a different term
but often wrongly considered to mean ‘Supreme
Entity’.

While Ishwar is also a ‘Devata’, any entity – living


or non-living – that helps us or is useful for us is
termed ‘Devata’. But that does not mean every
entity is Ishwar and should be worshipped. To avoid
confusion, we shall use the term ‘Ishwar’ in this
article.
The Supreme One who Ishwar. And there is no
represents selflessness, mantra in Vedas that can
controls the entire be interpreted to imply
universe, is present multiple Ishwars.
everywhere and is the
Not only this, Vedas
Devata of all Devatas,
also refuse existence of
alone is source of bliss.
any angel or Prophet
Those who do not
or incarnation who is
understand Him remain
necessarily required to act
drenched in sorrow and
as an agent between You
those who realize Him
and Ishwar.
achieve unconditional
happiness. (Rigveda To give a rough analogy:
1.164.39)
Ishwar of Vedas = God
Q: How many Ishwar are of Christianity minus the
there in Vedas? We heard concept of Trinity minus
there are huge number of the necessity to surrender
Ishwar in Vedas. to Jesus

A: You have heard from Ishwar of Vedas = Allah of


wrong sources. Vedas Islam minus the necessity
clearly specify that there to accept Muhammad as
is One and only One final Prophet.

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In other words, If someone Of course, Ishwar is the
says first part of Shahada Devata or Devatas and
: lâ ilâha illallâh (There hence called ‘Mahadeva’.
is no other God except He alone is to be
one and only Allah) but worshipped.
rejects the second part :
2. The Vedas refer to not
Muḥammadur rasûlullâh
33 crore Devatas but 33
(Muhammad is his
types (Koti in Sanskrit)
messenger), that is close
of Devatas. They are
to concept of Vedic God.
explained in Shatpath
In Islam, it is Shirk or Brahman very clearly.
greatest sin to worship These include -
anything except Allah.
8 Vasus (Earth, Water,
If you take this concept
Fire, Air, Sky, Moon, Sun,
further and also refuse to
Stars/ Planets) that form
accept any Muhammad or
components of universe
Gabriel as necessary to be
where we live,
remembered apart from
Allah, you are avoiding 10 Life Forces in our body
Shirk as per Vedas. or Prana (Prana, Apana,
Vyana, Udana, Samaana,
Q: What about the
Naga, Kurma, Kukala,
various Gods or Devatas
Devadatta) and 1 Soul
mentioned in Vedas? What called Rudra,
about 33 crore Gods?
12 Aditya or months of
A:1. As mentioned earlier, year,
Devata refers to entities
that are useful for us. But 1 Vidyut or
nowhere it is mentioned Electromagnetic force
in Vedas that we should that is of tremendous use
worship these entities. to us

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1 Yajna or constant noble two Prime Ministers!
selfless deeds done by
4. To dispel such
humans
confusions, there are
The master of these 33 several mantras in Vedas
Devatas is the Mahadeva that clearly state that
or Ishwar who alone is there is One and Only
to be worshipped as per One Ishwar without
14th Kanda of Shatpath any assistants, agents,
Brahman. prophets or juniors to
liaison between Him and
The concept of 33 Devatas
Us. For example:
is a great research based
subject in itself and Yajurveda 40.1:
requires in-depth study
This entire world is
for proper understanding.
embedded within and
However, it has been made
managed by the One and
very clear in all Vedic
Only One Ishwar. Never
texts that they are NOT
dare do any injustice or
Ishwar and hence NOT to
desire riches through
be worshipped.
unjust means. Instead
3. Ishwar has huge follow the righteous path
number of properties. and enjoy His bliss. After
Ignorant people wrongly all He alone is source of
consider these properties all bliss!
of Ishwar to be different
Rigveda 10.48.1:
Ishwars. For example, in
today’s newspaper there Ishwar alone is
were 2 headlines – One omnipresent and manager
referred to Dr Singh and of entire universe. He
other to Manmohan. That alone provides victory and
does not mean India has eternal cause of world. All

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souls should look up only Yajurveda 13.4
to Him in same manner as
There is One and only One
children look up to their
Creator and Maintainer of
Father. He alone provides
the entire world. He alone
for our sustenance and
is sustaining the earth, sky
bliss.
and other heavenly bodies.
Rigveda 10.48.5 He is Bliss Himself! He
alone deserves to be
Ishwar enlightens the
worshipped by us.
entire world. He is
undefeated and undying. Atharvaveda 13.4.16-21
He is the creator of the
He is neither two, nor
world. All souls should
three, nor four, nor five,
seek bliss through seeking
nor six, nor seven, nor
knowledge and acting
eight, nor nine, nor ten.
thereupon. They should
He is, on contrary, One
never shun the friendship
and Only One. There is no
of Ishwar.
Ishwar except Him. All
Rigveda 10.49.1 devatas reside within Him
and are controlled by Him.
Ishwar alone provides
So He alone should be
true knowledge to truth
worshipped, none else.
seekers. He alone is
promoter of knowledge Atharvaveda 10.7.38
and motivates virtuous
Ishwar alone is greatest
people into noble actions
and worth being
to seek bliss. He alone is
worshipped. He is the
the creator and manager
source of all knowledge
of the world. Hence never
and activities.
worship anyone else except
one and only Ishwar. Yajurveda 32.11

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Ishwar resides at each A:
point in universe. No
1. Evidence means
space is devoid of Him.
the clear knowledge
He is self-sustaining and
determined through
does not need help of any
stimuli received from
agent, angel, prophet or
sense organs. But note
incarnation to perform
that sense organs capture
His duties. The soul which
the properties and not the
is able to realize this
’cause of these properties’.
One and only One Ishwar
achieves Him and enjoys For example, when you
unconditional ultimate read this article, you do
bliss or Moksha. not capture existence
of Agniveer, but only
There are innumerable
certain images coming
such mantras in Vedas
on your screen that you
that explain One and Only
interpret into meaningful
One Ishwar and instructs
knowledge. And then you
us to worship Him directly
conclude that there has
without invoking any
to be some writer of this
other entity – Incarnation,
article and claim that you
Prophet, Angel or Agent.
have evidence of existence
Q: How do you establish of Agniveer. So this is
existence of Ishwar? ‘indirect evidence’ even
though it appears ‘direct’.
A: Through direct and
indirect evidences. Similarly, this whole
creation that we observe
Q: But direct evidence of via its properties through
Ishwar cannot be possible. sense organs imply
How do you then establish existence of Ishwar.
Ishwar?

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2. When you can link a organs like eyes, nose,
sensory input directly to tongue, skin or ears. For
an entity, you claim to example we cannot see
have ‘direct evidence’. subatomic particles even
For example when you through most powerful
eat a mango, you feel the microscopes, we cannot
property of sweetness hear ultrasonic sound, we
and associate it with the cannot feel the touch of
mango that you consumed. each individual molecule.
What is important is that
In other words, Ishwar is
you can associate such
impossible to be evidenced
‘direct evidence’ ONLY
through these coarse and
with specific sense organ
weak sense organs just as
that was used to observe
mango cannot be sensed
that property.
through ears or subatomic
Thus in previous example, particles cannot be sensed
you cannot have ‘direct through any sense organ
evidence’ of mango for that matter.
through ‘ears’ but only
3. The only organ that
through ‘tongue’ or ‘nose’
can sense Ishwar is mind
or ‘eyes’.
or Mana. When mind
Also in reality this is also is fully controlled and
‘indirect evidence’ though devoid of involuntary
we term it ‘direct evidence’ disturbances (like
for sake of simplicity. thousands of thoughts
coming all the time) and
Now since Ishwar is the
adequate knowledge about
most subtle entity existing,
properties of Ishwar has
it is impossible to have
been obtained through
‘direct evidence’ of Ishwar
study and practice, Ishwar
through coarse sense
can be evidenced directly

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through intellect in same and feeling of bliss.
manner as a mango is
This ‘inner voice’ is from
evidenced through its
Ishwar. Often we reduce
taste.
its audibility by trying to
This is the goal of life silence it through loud DJ
and this is what a Yogi Music of stupid tendencies
attempts to do through around. But then we all
all the various methods of at times feel this ‘inner
mind control that include voice’ getting louder now
cultivating traits like non- and then, when things are
violence, truth-seeking, relatively silent.
compassion, seeking
5. And when the soul
bliss for all, high moral
purifies itself from mental
character, fighting against
disturbances and gets
injustice, unity among
away from the DJ club, it
people, etc etc.
is able to directly evidence
4. In a way we get hints of itself as well as Ishwar.
direct evidence of Ishwar
Hence both through direct
everyday in our life. When
and indirect evidence,
we try to indulge in any
Ishwar is established as
wrong act like theft,
clearly as other entities
cheating, brutality, we
witnessed by us.
hear that faint ‘inner voice’
in form of fear, shame, Q: Where does Ishwar
doubt etc. And when we live?
indulge in noble deeds like
helping others, blessing a A: 1. Ishwar is
child etc, we again hear omnipresent and hence
that ‘inner voice’ in form resides everywhere. Had
of fearlessless, sense of Ishwar been living at a
satisfaction, enthusiasm particular place like some

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special sky or on some manage it.
special throne, He could
3. Further, if Ishwar is
not have been omniscient,
omnipotent, why would
omnipotent, manager of
He be scared to restrict
all, creator of all and
Himself to a small space.
destructor of all. You
This makes Ishwar limited.
cannot perform actions at
Christians say God is on
a place where you are not
4th sky and Muslims say
present.
that Allah is on 7th sky.
2. If you say that Ishwar And their followers keep
manages the world from fighting each other to
one place just like sun prove themselves right.
illuminates earth from Is it that God and Allah
far off or you watch TV decided to live in separate
through remote control, skies so that they also do
this is defective logic. not start fighting like their
Because sun is able to angry followers?
illuminate the earth or
In reality these are
remote control is able
childish talks. When
to operate the TV only
Ishwar is All-Powerful and
through radiation waves
controls entire universe,
that travel through
there is no reason why He
the interim space. Just
would be scared to limit
because we are unable to
himself to a small part of
see them we call it remote
universe. And if He is, he
control. In reality there
cannot be termed All-
is nothing like a remote
Powerful.
control. Thus the very
fact that Ishwar is able to
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Q: Does it mean Ishwar dirty for us. But in essence
is also in dirty things like all these are merely
alcohol, urine, excreta? different combinations
of particles of nature.
A: 1. The entire creation Since we have a mission
is within Ishwar. Because on this earth, we analyze
Ishwar is also outside each thing with regards
these things but these to the mission and accept
things do not exist outside some/ reject rest. What we
Ishwar. So all things in reject is dirty or trash for
world are pervaded by us and what we accept is
Ishwar. To give a very good for us. But for God,
rough analogy, we are such duty does not exist
within Ishwar in similar and hence nothing is dirty
manner as a pice of cloth for Him. On contrary, His
within tub of water. There duty is different from
is water within, outside ours – to help us achieve
and all around the cloth. bliss in just manner – and
There is no portion of hence nothing in His entire
cloth which is not wet with creation is untouchable for
water but there is water Him.
beyond the cloth as well.
3. If you look from
2. Anything is dirty or another analogy, Ishwar is
good for us depending not like a pampered social
upon our duty towards it. worker who would prefer
The same set of atoms to plan remotely in his
that form the tasty mango air-conditioned office but
we eat is so lovely for would desist from visiting
us. But when the atoms the slums where actual
disintegrate, interact with social work has to be done.
other chemicals and form He, on contrary, exists to
excreta, that becomes

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manage the most dirty of meted out to a criminal,
the places for our benefit. one cannot be kind to
innocents. It will also be
4. And since He alone is
not justice to the criminal
most perfect, despite He
because he would not be
being everywhere and
prevented from further
everything being within
crimes.
Him, He is separate and
different from these things. For example, if a dacoit is
forgiven, he would harm
Q: Is Ishwar Kind and
several innocent people.
Just? And if he is imprisoned,
A: Yes. He is the epitome it would not only prevent
of kindness and justice. harm to innocents but also
allow him opportunity to
Q: But these are opposite improve himself and not
traits. Kindness means do further crimes. So in
to forgive a criminal. justice alone lies kindness
And justice means giving for one and all.
punishment to criminal.
How can both exist at 2. In reality, kindness
same time? refers to the purpose of
Ishwar and justice to the
A: Kindness and Justice process. When Ishwar
are basically one and punishes a criminal, He
same. Because both serve does it to prevent the
the same purpose. criminal from doing
1. Kindness does not further crimes. And he
mean forgiving a criminal. also prevents innocent
Because if that be done, people from getting
several innocent people punished for no offense
would become victims. of theirs. Thus the entire
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kindness to all. my sins? Islam or
Christianity are better.
3. As per Vedas, and
There, if I confess or say
observation, the source
of sorrow is ignorance sorry, all my past records
which causes one to do are deleted and I am
wrong acts called crimes. given fresh opportunity.
So when a soul does A:1. Ishwar does pardon
such wrong acts, Ishwar your sins. His pardon lies
restricts his freedom to in the just results of your
do crimes and allows him actions that He provides
opportunities to remove and not in deleting your
his ignorance and remove past records.
sorrow.
2. If He were to delete
4. Mere saying sorry is your past records, He
not sufficient to receive would be doing greatest
pardon of Ishwar. The injustice and brutality to
source of sin or crimes you. Because in this case,
is ignorance and until He has allowed you to be
that is removed, the soul promoted to next class
would continue to get even when you have not
rightful punishments or gained the competence
rewards for its actions to pass the present class.
every moment throughout And in process he is doing
several births and deaths. injustice to others also
And the purpose of all who interact with you.
this justice is His kindness
towards the soul to gift it 3. Pardoning means
with ultimate bliss. providing opportunity to
improve your competence
Q: Does that mean, and not giving you 100%
Ishwar will never pardon when you deserved a

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zero. This is exactly life and do not believe
what Ishwar does. And in rebirth. So they want
remember that improving to create artificial hurry
competence does not formula to attract people.
happen in one moment And scare them to Hell of
or through one word they do not agree to them.
of ‘Sorry’. It demands We have already covered
dedicated practice and the loopholes of One Life
efforts over a period of theory in God must be
time. Only lazy people seek crazy!
shortcuts like trying to
6. Vedic philosophy is
get 100% without even
much more natural,
studying the course.
amenable to logic and
4. Unfortunately, those reasonable. Neither is
who attract people to their there a Hell where you
religion by saying that God would be thrown to burn
will forgive their sins are forever by an Ishwar who
fooling themselves and is as loving as Mother, nor
people. Suppose someone would He debar you from
has diabetes. Does it get opportunities to actually
treated merely by saying raise your competence
sorry? When a physical through efforts and
disease takes much more achieve what you truly
than a sorry to be treated, deserve. After all what is
how can mind – the most more satisfying:
complex thing known to
a. Rank 1 through a fake
humanity – be treated by a
mark sheet when we know
sorry?
that actually we had got
5. Actually these zero, or
ideologies have a blatant
b. A proud Rank 1 through
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hard work and burning seen. Now Vedas clearly
midnight oil, when we define Ishwar as the
know that we did the most finest, without gaps
best we could to become and uniform everywhere.
masters of the subject! (Refer Yajurveda 40.8
for example). Hence He
So in vedas, there are no
cannot have form.
shortcuts or longcuts to
success. There is only the 3. If Ishwar has a form,
right cut! And the success it means that someone
is much more satisfying created His form. This is
than what any illusionary not possible. If you say
and illusive shortcut can that He himself made His
be imagined to provide! form, it means He was
formless earlier.
Q: Is Ishwar with form or
formless? 4. If you say that Ishwar
is both formless and
A: He is formless as per
with form, it is not
Vedas and commonsense.
possible because both are
1. He cannot be contradictory.
omnipresent if He has
5. If you say that He takes
form. Because form
divine forms at times,
implies existence of
kindly specify what divine
boundary. And hence He
means. Say Ishwar took
should not exist beyond the
divine form of a man.
boundary if He has form.
Now how will you define
2. Form can be seen boundary of Ishwar
only if Ishwar is coarse. atoms and non-Ishwar
Because any object finer atoms. Further since He
than what can reflect is present everywhere
light waves cannot be with same density

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(uniformity), how we forms – for example
distinguish between man- people like Ram and
Ishwar and rest of world. Krishna – were actually
And if Ishwar is same divinely inspired.
everywhere, how are we Remember, we talked
seeing the boundary? about ‘inner voice’ of
Ishwar? These legends
6. What we see as
were epitome of Ishwar
human body is actually
worship and purity of
continuous exchange of
mind. And hence for
matter and energy with
normal people, they
rest of the world. It is
were Ishwar themselves.
impossible to distinguish
However Vedas prohibit
each atom as part of
worship of anyone except
human body or rest of
Ishwar. Thus, these
the world. So it will be
persons should instead be
impossible to segregate
emulated (their examples
even body of man-Ishwar.
be followed in our own
For example, will the spit,
real lives) to offer our
urine, sweat and other
gratitude to them. This
excreta from man-Ishwar
hero-followership is as per
also be divine?
Vedas and explained in The
7. In Vedas there is no power of Now! – Know
concept of Ishwar being Vedas.
with form. Further there
9. Had Ishwar taken form
is nothing that Ishwar
and worship of these
cannot do without form
forms been the recipe for
that He must assume a
salvation, Vedas would
form.
have detailed description
8. What we normally on this topic. But Vedas
consider as divine Ishwar do not even hint at such

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concepts. are supreme.

Q: Does it mean all these The right way to show


temples and worship of our gratitude to great
Ram, Krishna, Durga, legends of past should be
Lakshmi wrong? by imbibing their virtues
and doing noble deeds
A: Take example of a pious accordingly. For example,
mother living in a remote we see Ravans all around
village. Her son gets bitten in form of corruption,
by snake. She rushes to terrorism, immorality
local Tantrik for Jhaad etc. If we can unite to
Phoonk in an attempt counter these in rightful
to save life of her child. manner, that would be
Would you call her wrong true glorification of Ram.
or right? Same with Krishna, Durga,
The bulk of Ishwar Hanuman etc.
worshippers today, be it I have been a fan of
Hindu, Muslim, Christian Hanumanji throughout
or whatever are in same my life. My way of his
state. Their intentions glorification has been
are genuine and worth preservation of my moral
greatest respect. But character and putting
out of ignorance, they efforts for a strong and
adopt wrong practices of healthy body that serves
worshipping Ishwar. This the society. What point is
is obvious from the fact in worshipping Hanuman
that hardly anyone even with weak body and
knows about the Vedas, irritable stomach yet
even though, at least the consuming heavy laddus!
Hindus agree that Vedas

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While the motive behind
Himself to create another
all these modes of worship
Ishwar. He cannot make
is worth greatest respect
Himself an idiot. He
and we humbly bow to the
cannot do theft or dacoity
purity of true devotees
etc.
of any cult, it is our wish
to see all devotees to Q: Does Ishwar has a
adopt the same methods beginning?
of worship that Ram or
Krishna adopted in their A: Ishwar is without any
own lives! beginning and without
any end. He was always
Q: Is Ishwar Omnipotent present and will always
or All-Powerful? remain. Further His
properties remain same at
A: Yes, He is omnipotent.
all times.
But that does not mean
He can do whatever He Soul and Nature are two
wants. Doing whatever other beginningless and
one may want is sign of endless entities.
indiscipline. On contrary,
Q: What does Ishwar
Ishwar is most disciplined.
Omnipotence means that want?
Ishwar does not need A: Ishwar wants bliss
help of any other entity for all souls and wants
to conduct His duties – them to achieve this bliss
creation, management, through deserving efforts
destruction of universe. He purely on basis of merit.
is self-sufficient to conduct
His duties. Q: Should we worship
Ishwar or not? Why?
But He would act only After all He never
as per His duties. For
forgives!
example, He will not kill

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A: Ishwar should be challenges in life with
worshipped and He alone confidence and aplomb.
should be worshipped.
e. Ultimately, one is able
It is true that by worship to remove ignorance
of Ishwar, you will not completely and achieve
receive any shortcut pass Moksha or salvation with
certificate when you have ultimate bliss.
actually failed. Only lazy
Please note that worship
and cheaters desire such
does not mean some
unscrupulous means to
mechanical recitations or
success.
blankness of mind. It is
The benefits of worship of a proactive approach to
Ishwar are different: imbibe wisdom through
actions, knowledge and
a. By worship of Ishwar
contemplation.
one is able to understand
Ishwar and His creation We shall discuss this in
better. detail subsequently. For
now, you can refer to: How
b. By worship, one is able
to worship?
to better understand His
properties and adopt those Q: When Ishwar does
in his own life. not have limbs and sense
c. By worship, one is able organs, how does He
to hear ‘inner voice’ better conduct His actions?
and get constant clearer A: He does not need
guidance from Him. coarse organs for his
d. By worship, one actions that happen at
eradicates ignorance, most microscopic level.
gains strength and is able He does so through His
to withstand toughest inherent powers. He sees

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without eyes because Creator, Maintainer etc.
his eyes are present at But He is Nirguna, if you
every points in space, He refer to properties that
does not have legs, but He does not possess – like
is fastest, He does not dumbness, senselessness,
have ears but listens to anger, cheating, birth,
everything, He knows death etc. Its only a
everything but is beyond semantic difference.
complete cognizance of
Q: Please summarize
everybody. This shloka
comes in Upanishad. major properties of
Ishopanishad also Ishwar as per Vedas.
describes this in detail. A: His properties are
Q: Does Ishwar know His infinite and cannot be
expressed in words. But
limits?
here are some major
A: Ishwar knows properties:
everything. This means
• He exists
that He knows whatever
is truth. Since Ishwar • He is animate
is limitless, He knows
Himself as limitless. It • He is source of all bliss
would render Him ignorant and happiness
if He tries to know His • He is formless
limits when none exist.
• he is unchangeable
Q: Is Ishwar Saguna or
• He is all-powerful
Nirguna?
• He is just
A: Both. Ishwar is Saguna
if you refer to properties • He is kind
like Kindness, Just,
• He is unborn

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• He never dies and remains
perfect always
• He is infinite
• He is fearless
• He is omnipresent
• He is pure
• He has no defects
• He has no agents
• He has no beginning and
and establishes direct
no end either in time
relationship with all souls.
or space
He alone deserves to
• He is uncomparable
be worshipped without
• He maintains entire invoking anyone else.
universe
This alone is the path to
• He creates entire bliss and removal of all
universe miseries!

• He knows everything Now enjoy a beautiful


song summarizing some of
• He never deteriorates
the properties of Ishwar:

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