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Sed Interview Paper
Sed Interview Paper
Sed Interview Paper
Haley Knowlton
Introduction
understand the challenges that teachers face when supporting their students requiring
extra supports in order to be successful in the inclusive general education setting. This
paper also examines the relationships and struggles of teachers to their students,
teachers to the ed-techs and teachers to the administrators. The interviewee also
the Augusta public school district and the Turner public school district.
The interview took place on March 3rd, 2019 in Livermore, ME at the residence
of the interviewee- we will call her PK. PK invited me into her home at approximately
11:30 where we convened in her living room to conduct the interview. PK was born and
raised in Turner, Maine. Upon graduating high school she went to the University of
Maine at Orono to become a public school teacher grades K-6. After finishing her
degree she got a teaching position for third grade in the Augusta school district. She
worked there for 5 years before getting a position in the Turner district at the sixth
grade level- this is where she has been working for the past two years.
Findings
education, just 7 years ago, and share her thoughts leaving college on inclusive
teaching practices. “I thought the best thing for the kids was learning amongst their
peers, as long as you were able to provide the appropriate supports for them to be
successful. So I guess that you could say I was pro inclusion even though we didn’t
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learn much about it in school or see it in practice while I was student teaching.” This
set of ideals that PK had only grew stronger after she graduated and started working in
Augusta where their philosophy was to have students learn amongst their peers with
push in support provided by ed-techs. “It was a great opportunity to have what I would
consider a co-teacher at times. I could give the lesson to the ed-tech ahead of time so
that they could review it and understand the results we wanted from teaching it. It
allowed them to better support their student(s) since they knew what was going on.” It
wasn’t always easy for those in Augusta that had students who legally required ed-tech
support per their IEP/504 plans. “We faced a number of scheduling issues where we
didn’t have enough substitutes, so they would often pull ed-techs from their
placements and put them in charge of another classroom that was missing their
teacher. There was also a lack of substitutes to fill in the ed-tech positions so when
they were sick and had to call out for two or three days in a row the kids they looked
after suffered from not having any support.” We discussed how many districts face the
issue of not having substitutes for both teaching roles and the roles of ed-techs, with
the general consensus being that there isn’t much money in it. There are also a number
of requirements to qualify for most of the subbing positions which most people can’t
meet. People have to pay out of their own pocket to get both their fingerprints and
background checks done so people without a lot of money might struggle to pay and
The Turner school district faces similar struggles but on a wider scale than that
of Augusta. You could however say that this is to be expected due to the fact that it is
only Turner’s first year of practicing the inclusive education model. “We went from last
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year having them segregated in their own wing of the school to having most of them in
the general education classrooms amongst their peers. We’re still working out the kinks
but I think the consensus is that it has created a better community environment.”
Talking through some of the struggles she saw in her school system I gained a better
understanding of what a normal day looks like for her/most of the other teachers. The
teachers in Turner also face a rather large shortage of substitutes in both the teacher
and ed-tech roles. This often leads to pulling ed-techs from their positions in order to
cover the vacancies. But there is such a lack of communication between the
administration and the teachers that teachers hardly ever know when their ed-tech is
PK was also able to highlight the extensive ways in which Turner promotes
being both a PBIS school and a responsive community. Each classroom has a teacher
picked positive behavior system as well. The individual student system that PK picked
out was Knowlton Dollars- the kids can earn Knowlton Dollars for being safe,
responsible and respectful. At the end of every month PK brings things in to the
classroom for the kids to bid on using their money. Her classroom wide system is a
marble jar and when that gets full the students can pick a rewards such as extra recess
or a movie day. The school has a system that they call Wild Cat Pride Cards, any
teacher can give one to any student that they see behaving appropriately. These cards
then go into a classroom bucket by the office and someone from every classroom on
Friday gets to pick a reward from the treasure chest. “The only flaw with the pride
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cards is that the office often forgets to pick out students names at the end of the
week.”
Discussion
The practices of the school district in Augusta along with the relationship
between PK and her ed-tech best reflect my personal philosophy as well as what I
would like to see in the district that I choose to teach in. I think push ins are an ideal
second way to support students when you can’t have a co-taught classroom. Push ins
allow for support during times when students require it- if a student struggles with
math they can have assistance then but they might not require it for reading which
I also agree with the idea that PK talked about earlier, how students most of the
time learn better when surrounded by their peers. However, I think that you should ask
the student what it is they would like to see in their schedule. Some may be learning at
a much lower grade level and feel embarrassed by the fact that they are learning from
different materials and/or that they require assistance. I am of the opinion that students
learn best in an environmental setting that they feel comfortable in. When students are
uncomfortable they often are only able to think of the fact that they are uncomfortable/
why they are uncomfortable. It triggers their fight or flight receptors of their brain and
I am also of the opinion that co-teaching could reduce the stigma/prejudice that
surrounds the students with support needs. There is a really good picture from the
class six slideshow that shows the numerous benefits of having a co-taught classroom.
However, if it is being done it needs to be done in a way that makes both of the
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beneficial for those students with the IEPs or 504s but those without them. It reduces
the teacher to student ratio as well as allow for the students to receive more help.
Having two minds in the classroom can also lead to better differentiation of the material
and structure of the classroom. I have been in a classroom where this was the case,
the classroom was having a station day where the students rotated through four
different stations and two of the stations had instructors to guide the students through
them. The students loved the set-up of the classroom because they got help with the
material that they most needed it with. PK also employed this strategy when she was
working in Augusta. It was also discussed in a video that we watched in class six about
Recommendations
State Recommendations:
1. Create a state minimum wage for substitutes and ed-techs that make the position
appeal to a wider audience as well as make it worth while for people to do.
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Increasing the wage would also make it easier to live off when people have families
and such.
2. Another recommendation I have for the state would be to pay for the cost of
requirements. Currently people have to pay to get these done in order to work in
the schools where they aren’t getting paid a very high wage as well as pay for the
Augusta Administration:
1. Due to the fact that Augusta lacks some communication and organization skills in
inclusive education coordinator. This would help them to restructure their inclusive
system to better support their students as well as set up a system that could be put
Turner Administration:
feel that their transition into becoming an inclusive school district would be greatly
coordinator could help restructure the schools to provide better support to those
students and potentially teachers that need it. This could also clear up scheduling
2. I think that the elementary school should also put into place a system that notifies
the teacher when their ed-tech is absent or being pulled to cover another
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classroom. This would help the teacher prepare any necessary arrangements in
Appendix
Interview Questions:
Did you have an inclusive teaching coordinator? Would you have benefitted from
having one?
Did one of the district’s practices align more with your ideals, if so how?
Do you utilize positive teaching practices in your classroom, such as; fidgets, breaks,
If yes, what struggles did you face and how did you overcome them?