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Shear in Beam Discussion
Shear in Beam Discussion
Shear in Beam Discussion
i am
working as
design
engineer in
consultancy
, as per our
practice, we
provide
design
reinforceme
nt in (L/4)
from
support.
but no one
told me its
reason.
please tell
me , why
do we
provide
shear
reinforceme
nt in L/4
region??
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Now from my point of view, you should provide shear reinforcement as per
IS:13920, that is, spaced at d/4 up till 2d from the face of the column towards the
mid span, but is should not be less than 100 mm c/c. If shear requirement beyond
2d is substantial then you can increase it up to the shear cutoff point. For the
remaining distance you should provide at max spacing of d/2. Also, from my point of
view, the shear spacing should not be converted suddenly from d/4 to d/2 but should
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Posts: 609 Many consultants do not follow this and blindly provide up till L/4, because, they are
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Delhi
beam in detail.This action is dishonesty towards work. Another reason they cite is
that since the top longitudinal extra bars are curtailed at L/4 so shear reinforcement
should also be curtailed at L/4 which is utterly wrong.
Ductile detailing codes have been written and approved by the best brains of the
country taking into account all the possibilities and hence it is our moral and
professional duty to follow them.
Please be advise that providing shear reinforcement up till L/4, when there is no
shear requirement so high up till that point, is a wrong detailing practice and should
be avoided.
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Thank you,
Abishek Siingh
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umeshrao Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Design of shear reinforcement
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Avinash wrote:
hello all,
i am working as design engineer in consultancy, as per our practice, we provide
design reinforcement in (L/4) from support. but no one told me its reason.
please tell me , why do we provide shear reinforcement in L/4 region??
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umeshrao Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:03 am Post subject:
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Kumar_Abhishek_Singh wrote:
Dear Umesh Sir,
From the title written in the subject of this post I thought he was talking about
the placement of shear reinforcement.
Dear Abhishek,
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I agree with you that the title leads to the thought process when replied. But
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Location: You have been doing wonderful job and very proactive,too. I am glad that I know
Bangalore, you atleast on the SEFI forum.
India
God Bless You.
Regards Umesh Rao
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I think he is asking about the spacing of shear reinforcement near the supports.
And the curtailment bar provided at the top of the beam is known as negative
reinforcement. This is provided in order to take care of the negative bending moment
developed at the supports. Shear is maximum at the supports, so we are reducing
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vikram.jeet Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: Design of shear reinforcement
General
Sponsor Shear reinforcement --spacing variations along span
It all depends upon the designers. Every design office has its own
norms. Aim is to avoid human errors at site but consideration to
ductile detailing must be adhered.
(ii) Other office can adopt L/6 as the change point but then inner half
needs to be designed for higher SF of L/6.
Unless beam is too long , the beams are divided into three zones
for spacings and L/4 change point seems to be a general practice.
Best regards
vikramjeet
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If the shear force diagram for the worst case, ( in a beam) is not giving substantial
shear beyond 2d then what is the point of blindly providing shear reinforcement uptill
L/4. Don't you think that providing uptill L/4 is a lot of waste of steel when we think
in terms of a big project of twenty towers 30 story high with entire area connected
by extended basements??
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vikram.jeet Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: Design of shear reinforcement
General
Sponsor Dear Er KA Singh
I agree with you . Whatever practice is adopted ,it must be structurally sound and
there is
absolutely no harm of change point at 2*d so long as there exists three zones of
spacings
in a beam span from site convenience.Only in very long span beams five zones can
be
meaningful.The posting from me was intended for consideration to inconvenience
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caused
2003
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