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To: David Parker <david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Visit to Met Office
Date: Tue Feb 10 16:42:03 2009
Cc: Peter Thorne <peter.thorne@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Simpson, Ian.R"
<ian.r.simpson@metoffice.gov.uk>
Phil
Thanks. I think Feb 25-26 is better as Peter, who suggested the Reader-
data project, will be away in the first week of March. Ian will be here
except, I think, on Feb 27th when he is going to a chess tournament. The
hotel next to the Met Office should be OK but I haven't checked
availability - that can be done when the date is chosen.
David
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:53 +0000, Phil Jones wrote:
> David,
> I think I misinterpreted your email when in Switzerland. I think I
thought
> you wanted a talk and a possible project. Now I read it and it is just a
> possible project.
> I've done a lot with the Antarctic temperature data - I also have an
> archive of MSLP data for most sites (for some it is station level
pressure).
> With regards homogeneity it is difficult to do much beyond the Peninsula
> (and be confident about anything) as the stations are too far apart. There
is
> an issue I could ask Adrian - whether ERA-INTERIM is good enough since
> 1988? This could also assess the AVHRR, but this may be circular.
> I've read Steig et al now, and I can see all the comments on the CA and
> RC sites about some of the data. It seems that BAS have made some mistakes
> with some of the AWS sites. The only AWS site used in CRUTEM3 is the one
> at Byrd, as this is at one of the manned sites. The issue with the AWS's
is
> getting reasonable data in real time. Whilst I was away the checked
monthly
> data arrived for 2002! I will add Byrd's data in. The problem is
> that some sites
> get buried, but still seem to transmit.
> What Steig et al have done is a paleo-type reconstruction of the
> full field
> from the AVHRR for a recent period and extended it back to 1957. If the
> data are OK, all you're assuming is that covariance structure
> remains the same.
>
> I did this paper (attached) ages ago, but it doesn't seem all
> that relevant.
>
> Anyway - I do need to come down to see Ian. Possibilities would be coming
> mid week, say Feb 25/26 or March 4/5. How do these dates suit? I'd need to
> spend the night - maybe that Travel-lodge near you, it is only one night!
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>
> At 16:04 30/01/2009, David Parker wrote:
> >Phil
> >
> >Thanks. I hope the GCOS meeting goes well: Roger Saunders will be there.
> >We look forward to your thoughts on the Antarctic data, and to your
> >visit whenever that may be convenient for you,
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 15:56 +0000, P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:
> > > David,
> > > The Swiss extremes workshop has afternoons off for skiing.
> > > As I don't, I've been on 60 or 90 mins walks along snow covered
> > > trails. Snow is 1m deep off the trails.
> > > Anyway back now. So looking at emails. As the sun drops,
> > > the temperature plummets. I'm at the GCOS Imp Plan meeting
> > > next week in Geneva. Back in CRU on Feb 6.
> > > I've been reading the Steig et al paper. I've looked
> > > at homogeneity issues with the Antarctic data in the past.
> > > Difficult to do much except in the Peninsula. Anyway,
> > > I'll give your proposal some thought. Will talk to others
> > > like Kevin T next week as well about the paper.
> > > Glad to hear Ian is settling. It would be a good idea
> > > to do two things on the visit. I'm sure we can think of more!
> > > Glad also you're helping out Brian. I just couldn't
> > > rearrange my UEA teaching again - already done this so I can
> > > be here now and Geneva next week.
> > >
> > > Have a good weekend - if a little cold!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > Peter Thorne and others have suggested that you visit us in the near
> > > > future to set up a project in which CRU would homogenise the "Reader"
> > > > surface temperature data for Antarctica. This subject arose in
> > > > connection with Steig et al.'s paper on Antarctic temperatures in last
> > > > week's NATURE, and is also relevant to the possibility that we may
> > > > include interpolations over the Arctic Ocean and Antarctica in our
> > > > analyses for IPCC AR5. Peter challenges the results of Steig et al. on
> > > > the grounds that the in situ surface temperatures may not be
> > > > homogeneous. Maybe you could even give a seminar on e.g. Antarctic
> > > > observations.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know when a visit would be convenient for you. You
could,
> > > > of course, combine it with a review of Ian's progress. Ian is now
well-
> > > > settled into using our computing systems, and has started to calculate
> > > > r-bar from the daily precipitation fields for the UK regions, with a
> > > > view to estimating uncertainties in the regionally-averaged daily
> > > > values. As a cross-check, and to gain a deeper appreciation of this
> > > > myself, I have independently written some software to calculate r-bar.
> > > > This is leading to some ideas which I will send to you when I have had
> > > > more time to think them through.
> > > >
> > > > I understand you're busy as I am expecting to attend the Malaria
meeting
> > > > at Imperial on 12-13 Feb when you aren't available.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you've had good meetings in Geneva
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David Parker Met Office Hadley Centre FitzRoy Road EXETER EX1 3PB
UK
> > > > E-mail: david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk
> > > > Tel: +44-1392-886649 Fax: +44-1392-885681 http:
[1]www.metoffice.gov.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >--
> >David Parker Met Office Hadley Centre FitzRoy Road EXETER EX1 3PB UK
> >E-mail: david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk
> >Tel: +44-1392-886649 Fax: +44-1392-885681 http:www.metoffice.gov.uk
>
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> NR4 7TJ
> UK
>
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David Parker Met Office Hadley Centre FitzRoy Road EXETER EX1 3PB UK
E-mail: david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk
Tel: +44-1392-886649 Fax: +44-1392-885681 http:www.metoffice.gov.uk
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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