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2015, 02:03:54 am

Title: [Repaired] SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC with the

blown top!
Post by: Towger on January 31, 2015, 02:03:54 am

I was presented with dead a LED PAR from one of the better Disco
Dave manufactures of such equipment.
However, unlike the the big boys in the world of entertainment
lighting they don't (or won't to me), supply schematics.
They will sell me a new power supply for $140++, except they will
not have stock for another 2 months. Must be a common fault...

Anyway the patent is a '24V 4.16A 100W' very basic looking SMPS,
of a small non standard size.
It presents the following symptoms:

Main fuse and PCB fuse were intact.

Q1 - Mosfet 26NM60N - Shorted
RS1 - 0.22Ohm 1% - Open (1MOhm)
D2 - ??? (Cooked cannot read) - Shorted
C4 - 3A332J Capacitor - Cooked by D2 (.96uf!)
R4 - 10 Ohm (?? Print missing from mid digit) - Open
U1 - SO8 - Top vaporized

I tested the unit on my bench supply and it appears to work fine,

drawing 2.8A at 24V on full white.
The main cap appears to charge when plugged into the mains.
I fed 24V back into the output and the resistance across the
optocoupler dropped at around 24.3V, so I assume that part of the
supply is OK.

My main problem is the SMPS Controller IC has blown it's top, and I
cannot find the remains! So I know know what to replace it
with. So I will open that question up to the combined knowledge of
the EEVBlog.

Below are the front and back of board, there is also a heatsink
which wraps around the top of the PCB:
Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC with the blown
top!
Post by: rastro on January 31, 2015, 03:20:42 am

Some thoughts:

1. Since the top is blown off, is there any way to view the die under
a microscope to see any if there is any manufacture/model
markings.
2. Identifying which pins are the IC's power and ground would
probably be helpful - at least eliminating some 8-pin-DIP
candidates.
3. It may be good idea to include the manufacture/model of the unit
- you never know someone may have it and can look inside.

Looks like pin-1 of the IC is top Right (not left).

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC with the

blown top!
Post by: Towger on January 31, 2015, 03:42:14 am

Hi Rastro,

Thanks for your reply.

I don't process to such equipment!
The make and model:
http://www.chauvetlighting.com/products/spec/SlimPAR_Quad_12_
IRC_UM_Rev2_WO.pdf
(http://www.chauvetlighting.com/products/spec/SlimPAR_Quad_12
_IRC_UM_Rev2_WO.pdf)

Pins
1 - Mains - and optocoupler (817).
2 - Other side of optocoupler.
3 - Mains + via two 560K resistors in series.
4 - This is tied to mains - via a 24k resistor.
5 - Not connected
6 - Goes to the mosfet source leg via a R4 10K.
7 - Two 10uF 50v low ESR caps and a diode - I assume this is
power for the Controller IC.
8 - Drives the gate of the mosfet through a resistor and diode in
paralle.

I have looked at datasets and can't find any which drive with pin 8.
But I am no expert...
 Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC with the
blown top!
Post by: T3sl4co1l on January 31, 2015, 03:52:33 am

$140? Lucky you... That thing's not worth $30, and doesn't even
have the most basic of EMI filtering!! :(

Looks like U1 is pinned...

(Counter-clockwise from top right)

1. GND
2. FB / COMP / ISET (internal pull-up; use phototransistor sinking to
GND)
3. VCC / startup current (input)
4. Timing resistor (to GND)?
5. NC?
6. ISENSE (probably 1Vpk or so)
7. VCC / AUX power (input)
8. OUT / GATE (drive; possibly 1A peak capacity; bipolar?)

Peak current mode controller, like UC3842, but the pinout and
usage isn't right. Don't know offhand what things would fit. Could
be TI, ST, or some no-name Chinese ASIC (yes, they make their
own sometimes).

FWIW, D2 is probably pointing the other way (as I guess you

weren't sure about). :)

Can't quite make out the feedback resistors, but it seems to use a
TL[V]431 or equivalent regulator (the SOT-23 on the output
side). The resistors, and the internal reference voltage, set output;
I'd guess 12 or 24V offhand.

It's also a single output supply.

Surely you can fine a compatible (at least electrically, if not form
fitting -- but smaller) unit elsewhere? Meanwell comes to mind.

Tim

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC with

the blown top!
Post by: Towger on January 31, 2015, 04:39:33 am

Thanks Tim,
I have bookmarked an expensive medical grade supply, which is
slightly smaller than the original.
Most of the others are slightly longer or wider.
The other option is a cheap external power brick, they tend to be
smaller and i might be able to bucher one to fit.
It is possible to buy 3 chinese 70w Pars for the price of a new SMPS
for this 'quality' fixture.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller IC

with the blown top!
Post by: Kibi on January 31, 2015, 06:45:27 am

I have a Chauvet COLORdash Batten Tri in front of me. My thinking

is that Chauvet continue to use the same PSU manufacturer /
supplier throughout their range.
It has a power supply manufactured by Yaonen. It has a number on
it YN111011458.
It's a very different model power supply to yours, it uses a 7 pin
DIP on it which is a NCP1230 made by ONsemi (also available in a
SOIC-8). Unfortunately, looking at your PCB layout, this does not
match the datasheet.
This is probably not a lot of help apart from the name of power
supply manufacturer if you did not know that already.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the Controller

IC with the blown top!
Post by: Towger on January 31, 2015,
08:31:48 am

Thanks Kibi,

Chances are they are designed by the came company, so I have

started to look at ONSemi Datasheets etc Their NCP1654 (Power
Factor Controller?)
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP1654-D.PDF
(http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP1654-D.PDF)
looks close, Pin 5 is used for VControl, but is not connected on my
PCB.

Quote

5 Vcontrol Control Voltage /

Soft?Start
The voltage of this pin Vcontrol directly controls the input impedance. This pin is
connected to
external type?2 compensation components to limit the Vcontrol bandwidth
typically below 20 Hz
to achieve near unity power factor.
The device provides no output

Maybe someone better than my self can cast their eye over it.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the

Controller IC with the blown top!
Post by: wraper on January 31, 2015,
11:01:55 am

PFC is completely different stuff.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the

Controller IC with the blown top!
Post by: wraper on January 31, 2015,
11:13:58 am

AP3101 seem to have the same pinout

http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/AP3101.pdf
(http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/AP3101.pdf)

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name the

Controller IC with the blown top!
Post by: wraper on January 31,
2015, 11:20:10 am

I would even say it's almost reference circuit. Probably this is not
particularly AP3101 but some compatible clone, but likely should
work as replacement.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair: Name

the Controller IC with the
blown top!
Post by: wraper on January 31,
2015, 11:32:54 am

SG5841, SG6841, OB2268, OB2269 seem to be pin compatible too.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair:

Name the Controller IC
with the blown top!
 Post by: Towger on January
31, 2015, 09:15:40 pm

Thanks Wrapper,

I spent the early hours of morning in bed looking at their

datasheets on my phone....

AP3101 : Pin 5 is ADJ Adjust the level of skip cycle -0.3 to 7 V - Pin
5 is not connected on the PCB...

SG5841, SG6841:
Pin 5 RT Temperature
Protection
For over-temperature protection. An external NTC thermistor is
connected from this pin
to ground. The impedance of the NTC will decrease under high
temperature. Once the
voltage on RT pin drops below a fixed limit, the PWM output will be
disabled.

Looks like like Pin 5 could be left swimming in the breeze, no need
for thermal cutout on a 70W convection cooled PAR can!! :wtf:

Looks like we are on to a winner. Have to go now and bring the kids
to all their Saturday activities.

Title: Re: SMPS Repair:

Name the Controller IC
with the blown top!
Post
by: Towger on February
04, 2015, 07:28:57 am

http://www.leadtrend.com.tw/pdf/LD7552-DS-00.pdf
(http://www.leadtrend.com.tw/pdf/LD7552-DS-00.pdf)
uf4007

Title: Re: SMPS

Repair: Name the
Controller IC with
the blown top!
Post
 by: Towger on March
31, 2015, 12:19:07
am

Two months to the day: She lives again, with any luck it will not
blowup after a few hours! Went with a OB2268 in the end. Many
thanks to all who helped along the way.

MuayThaiDCS June 14th, 2007 02:45 PM

Pump Alternation

Looking for some advice...

The scenario:
I have two discrete pumps used to empty a tank.
The lead pump is requested to run once a high level condition is met. The lag pump is
requested to run once a high high level condition is met. The lag will stop running
when the high high is no longer true. The lag will shut off when a low condition is
satisfied. They are also required to alternate lead to lag once they are shut off (by the
low condition). I am looking for the most efficient way to program the alternation. I
have ideas, but want to see what others think...

DBLD99 June 14th, 2007 03:33 PM

This is got to be one of the easiest things to code.// Use a counter and the .ACC of the
counter with the call to run to Alternate the pumps.

BobB June 14th, 2007 04:04 PM

Use a modified flip flop. If you search here flip flop has been covered many times. It is
pretty easy code for what you require.

Oakley June 14th, 2007 04:28 PM

Not necessarily related to the pump control (as this has been discussed numerous
times in the past - try a search for pump control or pump rotation), but be smart
about the programming vs alarming. You don't want your pump control to be the
same as the alarm - just think about it - an alarm is to annunciate an abnormal
condition that requires action. Normal operation of draining a tank isn't typically
defined as an alarm. Consider not using your HiHi level, but rather a Hi level that has
your alarming on the outside of operation range. Then you could determine if a single
pump is not working (failed) and/or if the second pump is necessary.

silva.foxx June 14th, 2007 05:08 PM

We had a similar set-up in a previous company where we had two Vaughan wet-well
vertical chopper pumps pumping effluent into the first of three cascaded sediment
tanks. The pumps were on a 3-hour cyclic timer to alter lead-lag duty. There was four
floats; low, lead, lag and high-level alarm. The control was relay logic. I've lately been
messing with coding it in S7 and using PLCSim.

You could alternate duty after x cycles.

What are your ideas, Muay?

Kim Gold June 14th, 2007 05:31 PM

If you are turning the lag pump on and off based on high-high level, what will happen
on a pump failure?

i.e. If the duty pump fails and the high-high level is reached the lag pump will turn on.
Then when high-high level is off the lag pump will stop. You could get into a starting
and stopping situation that could damage you pump, assuming you still have flow
coming into tank.

If you have some way of sensing a duty pump failure, you could switch the standby
pump to duty. If the standby pump is only starting to assist to bring the level down,
you may want to pump down to some intermediate level before having it shut off.

Kim

TConnolly June 14th, 2007 07:19 PM

I sincerely hope that I didn't just answer a homework question, but on the off chance
that it is not, here is a very simple solution.

All you have to do is count in binary. Each time you count up the least signficant digit
changes state, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, etc. You can use a counter or a flip flop.

In the examples below I have assumed that all of the float switches make on rising
tank level.

http://www.plctalk.net/qanda/uploads/A061407A.JPG

Here is one way you could do it with a flip flop.

http://www.plctalk.net/qanda/uploads/A061407B.JPG

You can add the logic necessary to the pump seal in branch of each of the rungs it you
want the lag pump to shut down when the high level switch is not made.

Saturn_Europa1 May 7th, 2016 11:00 PM

 What does the bit ] [ C5:0.ACC/0 denote? I am unsure when this would be true or
false.

Thank you

OkiePC May 7th, 2016 11:35 PM

It is a "bit of word". Each time the value of C5:0.acc increments, the least significant
bit will change states creating a "slick" form of a flip flop. I call it slick, because it is
eloquent and simple and a little bit abstract to the casual observer, not to denigrate it
in any way.

With Allen Bradley SLC and PLC-5 addressing, the"/" is the bit delimiter. "/0" means
"bit zero".

So restating the answer for clarity, each time the value of C5:0.ACC is odd the value
of C5:0.ACC/0 would be "1" and each time it is an even number, the value of
C5:0.ACC/0 would be "0"

jraef May 8th, 2016 10:40 AM

Lol, all that code to replace a simple cheap alternating relay...

T Gibbs May 8th, 2016 10:44 AM

Do more and Productivity have a flip flop instruction.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:17 AM.

rfan22in August 26th, 2005 07:04 AM

pump sequence selection

hi every body
i am working for a project where i have to control 5 pumps.

control logic is as follows

i have 5 auto selection switches each for one pump.

if i select 3,4,1,2,5 while selecting the pumps thrugh switches (i.e puting pump 3
switch first in auto mode then pump4 in auto mode then pump 1 in auto mode and so
on) then pumps should run in that sequence i.e first pump to start is pump 3 .second
pump to start is is pump 4 and so on .

if at any time while running if i put any pump switch in maual mode for example say
pump 1 i put in manual mode then seq should should adjust to 3,4,2,5.
.

i have done this using add instruction for every selction of pump and subtract
instruction while delselction of pump.

i have not able to obtain prfect control for this.

any new ideas of implementation of this logic will be appreciated.

JohnW August 27th, 2005 07:13 AM

How about loading a table with the pump numbers in the sequence that they are
switched to auto. Then use that table for the pump start sequence. If a pump is
selected to manual then use a find or compare instruction to remove it from the table
and shift the remaining numbers up. If the pump is switched to auto again it comes
back in at the end of the sequence.
Use an up/down counter as a pointer to determine which pump is started next, as
each pump is started then the pointer is incremented and decremented when one
stops.

TConnolly August 27th, 2005 12:55 PM

I think there is an example over at mrplc.com.

http://forum.mrplc.com/index.php?act=Downloads

Lancie1 August 28th, 2005 01:46 AM

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Irfan,
What a challenge! I used John W's suggestions and put together a quick-and-dirty
method. I am sure it can be refined. A Sequencer instruction could be used, but it
appeared to me that the problem is re-ordering the sequence when a pump is
removed. I could see no way to do that efficiently, so I used the brute-force manual
method. Here is a *.pdf file of my original RSLogix program.

Amr Hassan August 28th, 2005 05:52 AM

i have just made a similar program and i used fifo instructions amd table instructions

i made a table of the available pumps and the on pumps

when a i have a request for pump i make a fifo instruction for the available table and
add the result to the on table

for your example that u need to delete a pump if is not in auto

this comes in two steps
first u must find the pump in the list using table find instruction
then use blokmove instruction

(these fucntions are available in ti library in siemens s7-300 and also available with
s7-200
)

dandrade August 28th, 2005 07:22 AM

You have the habit always direct for functions. Should evaluate the cost.
Also, in these panels the PLC can be simple, absent of instructions adv.
Challenge do make in ladder.

moggie August 29th, 2005 04:33 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Here is my attempt at selecting the start sequance using Step 7.
I have used counters and made the circuit for 6 pumps.

Lancie1 August 30th, 2005 08:15 PM

moggie,

I think your program is a good one, but I had trouble figuring out how it works,
because we only have memory addresses with no symbols. Would you please go into
your Siemens S7 and click "View", then press "Symbolic Addressing". Then upload it
again and it would be easier to follow.

moggie August 31st, 2005 03:47 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Here it is again with some comments.
Basically i load a counter with the "position number" of the pump when it is turned to
auto.
If a pump is turned off; then any pump with a position number higher than that of the
one turned off has its position number "decreased" by one.

darrenj August 31st, 2005 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lancie1

Irfan,
What a challenge! I used John W's suggestions and put together a quick-and-dirty
method. I am sure it can be refined. A Sequencer instruction could be used, but it
appeared to me that the problem is re-ordering the sequence when a pump is
removed. I could see no way to do that efficiently, so I used the brute-force manual
method. Here is a *.pdf file of my original RSLogix program.

MMMM Took a quick look at the program..I thought it was taboo to use the same
outpur in more than one rung..Also i knew rslogix 5000 let you do it but i didnt think
rs500 did??

jstolaruk August 31st, 2005 10:19 PM

Yes, you can use a coil on a memory location or output more than once. Lancie1's
example has a common error when a coil is duplicated. It will always be set/reset
according to the last rung its addressed in, rung 6. B3:1/6 thur b3:1/10 will always be
false unless C5:1 happens to be equal to 5.

irfan22in September 2nd, 2005 11:37 AM

Hi every bosy,

thanks to all of you for your replies.

its really great to see diffrent ideas of implementing the logic and i welcome all your
ideas.

keep posting the new designs

Lancie1 September 2nd, 2005 06:06 PM

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darrenj & jstolaruk,

Yes, you are correct. I spent all my time working on the sequence, and only threw in
the START routine the last 5 minutes. I did take out the redundant outputs in the
attached version. I think it would work, but there may be other errors. I have not
tested this program.

Moggie's design is so much better than mine. I can tell that his is a working version.

Terry Woods September 4th, 2005 06:15 PM

Just couldn't resist trying to develop a manager for the Queue with as few rungs as
possible.
The following is only for managing the queue.
There are other concerns such as...
...how the sequence is actually started,
...how the sequence transitions from one motor to the next,
...what happens if a running motor is dropped out of the queue, etc.
Although a long description... this is only describing 2 Rungs (shown later).

M# = Motor #
Q# = Queue #
Last_Q# = Last Queue # used

Queue_(1 through 5) = 5 words holding Pump #s...

i.e. Queue_(1) = Pump-X, Queue_(2) = Pump-Y, etc.

Motor_(1 through 5) = 5 words holding Sequence #'s...

i.e. Motor_(1) = Queue-A, Motor_(2) = Queue-B, etc.

If "RESET", Zero-All
M# = 0
Q# = 0
Last_Q# = 0
Queue_(1 through 5) = 0
Motor_(1 through 5) = 0

RUNG-1: (Loading the Queue)

If input 1 just on... M# = "1"
If input 2 just on... M# = "2"
If input 3 just on... M# = "3"
If input 4 just on... M# = "4"
If input 5 just on... M# = "5"

INC Q# (Q# = Q# + 1)
INC Last_Q# (Last_Q# = Last_Q# + 1)
Copy M# to Queue_(Q#)
Copy Q# to Motor_(M#)
END OF RUNG-1:

If sequence = 3,1,2,5,4 then...

Sw# M# Q# Queue_(Q#) <= M# Motor_(M#) <= Q#

Initial 0 0 0

Sw-3 ON 3 3 1 Queue_(1) <= "3" Motor_(3) <= "1"

Sw-1 ON 1 1 2 Queue_(2) <= "1" Motor_(1) <= "2"

Sw-2 ON 2 2 3 Queue_(3) <= "2" Motor_(2) <= "3"

Sw-5 ON 5 5 4 Queue_(4) <= "5" Motor_(5) <= "4"

Sw-4 ON 4 4 5 Queue_(5) <= "4" Motor_(4) <= "5"

.
RUNG-2: (Unloading and Adjusting the Queue)
If input 1 just off... M# = "1"
If input 2 just off... M# = "2"
If input 3 just off... M# = "3"
If input 4 just off... M# = "4"
If input 5 just off... M# = "5"

Copy Motor_(M#) to Q#
If Q# < "2"... Copy Queue_(2) to Queue_(1)
If Q# < "3"... Copy Queue_(3) to Queue_(2)
If Q# < "4"... Copy Queue_(4) to Queue_(3)
If Q# < "5"... Copy Queue_(5) to Queue_(4)
Queue_(5) = "0"

DEC Last_Q#
Q# = Last_Q#
Motor_(M#) = 0
M# = 0
END OF RUNG-2:

If last entry was M# = 4 into Q# = 5 ...and then... Switch #2 goes OFF...M# = 2

Copy Motor_(M#) to Q#
Motor_(M#) = Motor_(2) = "3"... "3" is the Queue # for Motor-2
Copy "3" to Q#

Sw# M# Q# LQ# Q# <= Motor_(M#)

Initial 0 4 5 5

Sw-2 OFF 2 2 5 5 Q# <= Mtr_(2) <= "3"

2 2 3 5 If Q# < 2... Copy Queue_(2) to Queue_(1)

Q# is NOT < 2... so, no action here.

3 5 If Q# < 3... Copy Queue_(2) to Queue_(1)

Q# is NOT < 3... so, no action here.

3 5 If Q# < 4... Copy Queue_(3) to Queue_(2)

Q# IS < 4... Queue_(3) => Queue_(2)

3 5 If Q# < 5... Copy Queue_(4) to Queue_(3)

Q# IS < 5... Queue_(4) => Queue_(3)

3 5 ...and then... Queue_(5) = 0

3 5 ...and then... DEC Last_Q#

2 2 3 4 ...and then... Q# = Last_Q#

2 2 4 4 ...and then... Motor_(M#) = 0

2 2 4 4 ...and then... M# = 0

2 0 4 4

The next queue to be loaded is #5 (unless more queues are unloded).

Queue Adjustment...

Initial

Queue_(Q#) = M# Motor_(M#) = Q#

Queue_(1) = "3" Motor_(1) = "1"

Queue_(2) = "1" Motor_(2) = "3"

Queue_(3) = "2" Motor_(3) = "2"

Queue_(4) = "5" Motor_(4) = "5"

Queue_(5) = "4" Motor_(5) = "4"

Final

Queue_(Q#) = M# Motor_(M#) = Q#

Queue_(1) = "3" Motor_(1) = "1"

Queue_(2) = "1" Motor_(2) = "0"

Queue_(3) = "5" Motor_(3) = "2"

Queue_(4) = "4" Motor_(4) = "5"

Queue_(5) = "0" Motor_(5) = "4"

.
At this point, the only motor switch that can go ON is Motor Sw #2. If it goes ON then
it will be logged into Queue_(5).

The following shows the two primary rungs which manage the queues...

RUNG-1:

SW-1 +--------+ +-----+ +---------+ +----------+ Dummy

---|/\|---+ M# = 1 +---+---+ INC +---+ INC +---+ COPY +----( )

+--------+ | | Q# | | Last_Q# | | M# to |

| +-----+ +---------+ |Queue_(Q#)|

| +----------+
 SW-2 +--------+ |

---|/\|---+ M# = 2 +---+

+--------+ |

SW-3 +--------+ |

---|/\|---+ M# = 3 +---+

+--------+ |

SW-4 +--------+ |

---|/\|---+ M# = 4 +---+

+--------+ |

SW-5 +--------+ |

---|/\|---+ M# = 5 +---+

+--------+

RUNG-2:

ALWAYS

SW-1 +--------+ +----------+ +--------+ +----------+

OFF Dummy

---|\/|---+ M# = 1 +---+---+ COPY +---+--+ Q# < 2 +---+ COPY +---

| |---+--( )

+--------+ | |Motor_(M#)| | +--------+ | QUEUE_(2)|

|

| | to Q# | | | QUEUE_(1)|
|

| +----------+ | +----------+
ALWAYS |

SW-2 +--------+ | | +--------+ +----------+

OFF |

---|\/|---+ M# = 2 +---+ +--+ Q# < 3 +---+ COPY +---

| |---+
 +--------+ | | +--------+ | QUEUE_(3)|
|

| | | QUEUE_(2)|
|

| | +----------+
ALWAYS |

SW-3 +--------+ | | +--------+ +----------+

OFF |

---|\/|---+ M# = 3 +---+ +--+ Q# < 4 +---+ COPY +---

| |---+

+--------+ | | +--------+ | QUEUE_(4)|

|

| | | QUEUE_(3)|
|

| | +----------+
ALWAYS |

SW-4 +--------+ | | +--------+ +----------+

OFF |

---|\/|---+ M# = 4 +---+ +--+ Q# < 5 +---+ COPY +---

| |---+

+--------+ | | +--------+ | QUEUE_(5)|

|

| | | QUEUE_(4)|
|

| | +----------+
ALWAYS |

SW-5 +--------+ | | +-----------+ +--------+

OFF |

---|\/|---+ M# = 5 +---+ +--+ Queue_(5) +--+ DEC +---

| |---+

+--------+ | | = "0" | |Last_Q# |

|

| +-----------+ +--------+
|

|
|

| +-------+ +----------+ +--

----+ |

+--+ Q# = +--+Motor_(M#)+--+
M# = +-+
 |Last_Q#| | = "0" | |
"0" |

+-------+ +----------+ +--

----+

.
Rung-1 Loading:
Any switch going ON causes the particular switch# to be assigned to the Motor#
(M#).
The Queue# is Incremented.
The Last Queue (Last_Q#) used is Incremented. (this is used for unloading)
The Motor# (M#) is copied to the current Queue# QUEUE_(Q#)

Rung-2 Unloading:
Any switch going OFF causes the particular switch# to be assigned to the Motor#
(M#).
The Q# where the particular motor# is stored (in Motor_(M#)) is copied to Q#.
The Queue is adjusted according to Q#.
Whether or not one Queue is copied to another depends on the value of Q#.
In all cases, Queue_(5) will be set to "0".
In all cases, the Last_Q# will be decremented.
In all cases, the current Q# will then be set to equal the Last_Q#.
In all cases, the Queue # in the affected Motor queue will be set to "0"... it is out of
the queue.
In all cases, the current M# is set to "0".
For those PLCs that bail-out at the first opportunity...
...the "ALWAYS OFF" bit ensures that all of the branches are executed before the rung
is exited.

Simon2000 September 29th, 2005 05:29 AM

Safe Start-up following Power Loss

Hi All

I'm building a similar system for controlling pumps and monitoring alarm conditions.

I've got a basic system in place that is more or less there and just needs some final
tweaks.

One big problem that I have is to do with the loss of power to the Allen Bradley SLC
500.

I have set-up my components, power supplies, etc to operate via a hard-wired master
control relay so that in the event of power failure and subsequent re-power, all relays
reset and return to the known start-up condition.

Unfortunetely when I power the AB down and switch back on, it continues where it
was at power loss.

It would be safer and preferable to reset all conditions and outputs back to the start
condition.
 I have tried to use the MCR command but I was wondering if there was a better way
to carry out this function, I fairly new to PLC controllers and not sure how the 'best
practises' for these sort of things.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Simon

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