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Tank nozzle stiffness #24661 - 02/11/09 11:18 PM 0 registered (), 54
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Member Dear all
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02/16/07 I am doing piping stress analysis for tank diameter less
Posts: 508 than 60’. I require nozzle stiffness to improve accuracy February
Loc: Singapore of piping load on tank nozzle. As per API 650 nozzle
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flexibility can be considered above diameter 120’ .
Can anyone suggest how mechanical people find out 1
nozzle stiffness value for lesser tank diameter. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Our previous project client supplied that value.In our new 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
project our mechanical people find it difficult to provide
me that data. 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
Can this data can be extracted from coade TANK software 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
or any other way to calculate that data.
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Re: Tank nozzle stiffness [Re: shr] #24678 - 02/12/09 08:28 AM 16147 Topics
Richard 72309 Posts
Ay Yes, COADE's TANK software can address these smaller
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Member tanks. TANK has a PVP-1279 option allows the program to 01/28/20 11:58 PM
utilze an alternate method to compute nozzle stiffnesses.
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12/13/99 This alternate method is based on PVP (Pressure Vessel Top Posters (30
Posts: 6002 and Piping) paper 1279 - Stiffness Coefficients for Nozzles Days)
Loc: Houston, in API-650 Tanks, by Lengsfeld, Bardia, Taagepera,
Texas, USA Hathaitham, LaBounty, and Lengsfeld. Michael_Fletcher 11
Vanman 10
This alternate method is based on the finite element Tom45 7
analysis of a number of tanks, resulting in alternate curves dgorsman 7
and equations for the determination of tank nozzle Richard Ay 6
stiffnesses.
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Re: Tank nozzle stiffness [Re: Richard Ay] #24698 - 02/12/09 07:11 PM

shr
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Re: Tank nozzle stiffness [Re: shr] #34697 - 04/29/10 06:57 PM

MVK
Member I have made nozzle stiffness calculations for 12" nozzle for
tank dia. less than 36m. The stiffness values with PVP-
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04/29/08 1279 and without PVP-1279 are as below:
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Loc: Singapore With PVP-1279:
Radial Stiffness N/cm : 0.758 E6
Long. bending stiffness N.m/deg.: 63.391
circ. bending stiffness N.m/deg.: 83.037
Radial deflection mm : 6.65
Longitudinal rotation deg. :-0.265

Without PVP-1279:
Radial Stiffness N/cm : 0.192 E6
Long. bending stiffness N.m/deg.: 62801
circ. bending stiffness N.m/deg.: 48467
Radial deflection mm : 6.65
Longitudinal rotation deg. :-0.265

From above we can observe that, in radial, long. and circ

stiffness values there is very much variation and piping
stress is not passing with PVP-1279 values.

Finally we have used the values without considering the

PVP-1279.

Question: When we have to consider the PVP-1279? Is

these values are correct or is there any bug in the
programme ? The values especially the long. beding and
circ. bending stiffness values does not look realistic.
Can anybody help on this?

MVK

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Re: Tank nozzle stiffness [Re: MVK] #34698 - 04/29/10 10:29 PM

Richard
Ay If you read the "Introduction" at the beginning of Appendix
Member P, it states that this particular Appendix is only valid for
tanks in excess of 120 ft (36M) in diameter. Therefore, if
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12/13/99 you perform these same (Appendix P) computations on
Posts: 6002 tanks less than this limit, the results are "suspect".
Loc: Houston,
Texas, USA PVP-1279 was developed specifically for tanks less than
120 ft (36M) in diameter. You should obtain different
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results when comparing the two methods.

When should you use PVP-1279? When your tank is

outside the scope of Appendix P (i.e. smaller than 120 ft in
diameter). As to your results, e-mail your input file (.tki) to
techsupport@coade.com so we can verify things with your
numbers.
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