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Berque1986 The Pen and The Sword
Berque1986 The Pen and The Sword
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INTERVIEW
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BERQUE 111
Syria,which,ofcourse,included Palestine.
However, thesemovements
wereofan earlierkindwithlittlein common withthelaterresponseto
Zionistaggression.
The Palestinianmovement is comparable
to resistance
movements whichhave emerged in similarconfrontations
withaggres-
sion-theFrenchresistanceduring WorldWarII, or theAlgerian resist-
anceduring thestruggle
forliberation,forexample.Thesearehistorical
whichdiffer
types from thoseofthefirstphaseyoumentioned.
DoesArafat
Sabbagh: thequalities
possess ofa Romantic
hero?
Yourecently
Sabbagh: remarked
thatresistance
movementshavetwoinseparable
thegunandthepen.Insodoing,
elements, youraised
thequestion
oftheroleof
theintellectual
and theroleof interpretation
in thePalestinian
resistance
movement.Whatdifferences
doyouseebetween thePalestinian
intellectual
and
hisAlgerian
counterpart?
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112 JOURNAL OF PALESTINE STUDIES
Do youperceive
Sabbagh: a difference
intheroleofthePalestinian
intellectual
ofthediaspora?
because
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BERQUE 113
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114 JOURNAL
Yourecently
Sabbagh: that
stated countries
European accept
argumentslegitimiz-
ingIsraeliclaimsin theArab-Israeli becausethesearguments
conflict enable
Europeansto clear
theirconscience
regarding
Naziatrocities
committedagainstthe
Jews.In suchcircumstances, howcan Palestinians
presenttheir
case to the
Europeancommunity?
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BERQUE 115
WhatcantheArabsdo?
Sabbagh:
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116 JOURNALOF PALESTINE STUDIES
Do youagree
Sabbagh: that
theEuropean hasa responsibility
community towards
thePalestinians?
Berque:Yes,ithasmanyresponsibilities. We havejustseenwhy.Ifitdid
not support Zionismfinancially, militarily,or through toleranceof its
actions,theproblem wouldnotexist.Nor without American financing
wouldtheproblem exist.TheEuropean community alsohasa responsibility
toinform itsoverwhelmingly uninformed population.Whatdo theFrench
knowaboutthe Palestinians? Nothing.They knowaboutthe Arab
immigrants fromNorthAfrica,who are completely Unfortu-
different.
nately,
thememories oftheAlgerian Warstilllingerwitha certainrancor,
although thisisslowly andrelations
dissipating between FranceandAlgeria
arenowamicable.
The Frenchintellectual, therefore, mustkeep his fellowcitizens
informed inorderto explainthatthePalestinians arenotNorthAfricans;
thatthereare as manyproblems in theArabworldas thereare Arab
nations;and thattheyareinterested in therolethattheircountry, and
Europeingeneral, shouldplayin theMiddleEast.Sucha roleneedstobe
developed notonlyinproportion tomaterial butalsoinproportion
interests
tothefriendships a country hasandtothegreat culturalaffinities
thatexist.
Europeis wellsuitedto playa rolebecauseit can no longerentertain
imperialistambitions as it didwhenFrance,Europe,andGermany were
hegemonic powers. Today,thereareonlytwomajorstates,andtheyare
fearedbyall. Therefore, Europecan playtheroleofan intermediary or
mediator.
I willventure evenfurther andpresent oneoftheideastowhichI have
dedicatedmyactivities inthelastyears ofmylife.I believeintheexistence
of a Mediterranean region-onecan evencall it Islamic-Mediterranean
sincewhatis not Mediterranean is Islamic-whichincludesthe Latin
peoplestothenorth, theArabpeoplesto thesouth,andtheTurksto the
east.Thisgrouping ofpeoplerepresents a formidablepower.Ifthiszone
wereunited,it wouldassumeworldimportance almostequalto thatof
WestemEurope.Franceis well-placed to take the initiativein this
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BERQUE 117
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formedin 1958 and 1960 in Tunisia. poets. Apollo was the firstmagazinein
9. Algerianreligiousand nationalistleader Arabicdevotedto poetryand itscriticism.
'Abd al-HamidBen Badiswaseditorofthe 16. Louis Aragon (1897-1982) was a poet,
nationalistjournalal-Muntaqid from1922 novelist,activist,and spokesmanforcom-
to 1924. In 1931 he foundedthe Algerian munism.From1953 to 1972 he was editor
Associationof 'Ulama'. oftheCommunist weeklyofartsand liter-
10. Shaykh Bashir Ibrahimiwas a leader of atureLes LettresFrancaises.
Algerianreformist 'ulama'. 17. AndreMalraux(1901-1976) fought against
11. Sami al-Barudiwas an Egyptianstatesman fascismin the Spanish Civil War and
and poet. His reading,personalresearch, againsttheNazisin WorldWar II. In 1945
and his contactwithmenand poetsofthe he became an active supporterof de
periodmade him, despitehis military du- Gaulle, and afterde Gaulle's election as
ties-he servedas Egyptian ministerofwar presidentin 1958, Malrauxservedforten
from1881 to 1882-one of the leadersof yearsas France'sminister ofculturalaffairs.
the literaryrenaissancein Egypt. 18. FrantzFanonwasa psychoanalyst andsocial
12. 'Urabirevoltwas an Egyptian social-politi- philosopherbest known for his writings
cal movement whichexpressed thediscon- about national liberation movements
tentof the educatedclasses,armyofficers, amongcolonizedpeoples. He joined the
and peasantrywithforeign(British)con- Algeriannationalliberationmovementin
trol. It takes its name fromits leader, 1954. His most famous work is The
Ahmad'UrabiPasha al-Misri. Wretched oftheEarth.
13. Iraqi poet al-Zahawi(1863-1936) was an 19. The word'ulama'refers to men learnedin
Islamiclaw, tradition,and scripturewho
outspokensocialcritic.He has been called
serveas the religiousauthorities
in Islam.
the"FatherofmodemIraqipoetry" andwas
20. In May 1985, PresidentReagan visiteda
a memberofthe House ofSenatorsin Iraq
militarycemeteryin Bitburg,West Ger-
from1925 to 1929. many.The movewasintendedto engender
14. The Tunisianpoet al-Shabbi(1909-1934) reconciliationbetweentheGermanpeople
was a greatnationalistand visionary.His andtheirformer Alliedenemies,butJewish
poetry,written in a romantic vein,embod- groupsin the United States vehemently
ies a deep senseofspiritualism and life. protestedthe visitbecauseof the presence
15. The Apollo group,or society,was formed in the cemeteryof thirty-nine gravesof
in 1932 to promoteArabic poetryand former SS members.
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