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You become guru, but you must be

qualified first of all. Then you become...
What is the use of producing some rascal
guru?

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qualified first of all. Then you become"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1977 Conversations and Morning Walks

No, you become guru, but you must be

qualified first of all. Then you become...
What is the use of producing some rascal
guru?

Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977,

Bombay:

Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged

to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living
aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He
said, "It is better that he is aloof from
them."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that

his disciples were not...

Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the

last stage he was disgusted.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that... That doesn't

mean that your disciples should think also,
"I will remain aloof just as our
Prabhupāda..."

Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said.

Therefore I used so strong word on the, our
Surabhī's action. This was made
independently. He has written. He has
given photograph. That is not good.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good

instruction to all of us, your rebuking.

Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do

so independent. You are doing nice, but not
to do in the... You admit." People
complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you
know that?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular

incidences, but I've heard general...

Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there.

Prabhupāda: So many complaints.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good.

Prabhupāda: No, you become guru, but you

must be qualified first of all. Then you
become.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint

was there.

Prabhupāda: Did you know that?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah.

Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing

some rascal guru?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself
and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact
that we are all conditioned souls, so we
cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be
possible...

Prabhupāda: Hm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...but not now.

Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some

guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya.
You become authorized." I am waiting for
that. You become all ācārya. I retire
completely. But the training must be
complete.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification

must be there.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there.

Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. Āmāra
ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). "You
become guru." (laughs) But be qualified.
Little thing, strictly follower...

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp.

Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective.
You can cheat, but it will not be effective.
Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone
wanted to become guru, and a small
temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No
publication, no preaching, simply bring
some foodstuff... My Guru Mahārāja used
to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and
sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)
(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That word "mess," by that

word he meant eating, messing, eating?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Messing, there is a

system. Some clerks, they make a small
cooperative hotel. In India there are many.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That I see in South India

sometimes... In places like hotels I see.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Men who work, they all

come...

Prabhupāda: Cooperative effort.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he called that a joint

mess, and he said that some of the
disciples were doing that.

Prabhupāda: He knew that. What is the

use? Tīrtha Mahārāja's defense was that.
"These people..." They were fighting with
Tīrtha Mahārāja in the court that "Tīrtha
Mahārāja was not good." Tīrtha Mahārāja's
only defense was "All right, you want to
combine to make a guru. All right, why don't
you combine yourself for preaching?"

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was his defense?

Prabhupāda: That "You want to work jointly,

so why you do not work jointly? You are
jointly working to harass me. Why not
preach jointly?"

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was their reply?

Prabhupāda: No reply.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So it was a good defense.

Prabhupāda: Yes. "You have joined together

to defeat me. Why don't you preach jointly?
What do you want? That I shall also join
and we shall jointly preach. Do this. You are
divided amongst yourselves, and you have
joined together to defeat me." Śrīdhara
Mahārāja is the leader.

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