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Load case for min. ambiant Temperature? #34672 04/29/10 02:53 AM
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In my current project, the ambient temp. of piping installation yard is
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T=21Â°C which I used it as the ambient temp. in CAESAR.
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10/01/09 The max design temp. is T1=80Â°C (ΔT1=8021=59Â°C) and the min. 1 registered (sharu),
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Could anybody say me that I have to add any new load cases for T2
(since during plant shutdown it will be the case) or Iâ€™m in safe range March
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Member you have to check at 36 c also by simply taking new file in that you
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L1: W+T1+(whatever else is operating case 1)

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L3: W+P?+(whatever else is considered a sustained force effect)
L4: L1L2 (EXP)
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Posts: 2355 L4 is your strain range. Not ambient to hot; not ambient to cold but
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Re: Load case for min. ambiant Temperature? [Re: Dave #34682 04/29/10 11:49 AM
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Member Dave, I am not sure I would do like you said.

What about to change case 4 as following?
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Posts: 60 L4: L1L3 (EXP)
Loc: Italy L5: L2L3 (EXP)

Thank you.

Originally Posted By: Dave Diehl

L3: W+P?+(whatever else is considered a sustained force
effect)

L4: L1L2 (EXP)

L4 is your strain range. Not ambient to hot; not ambient to
cold but hot to cold. If using B31.3, read 319.2.3(b).

Re: Load case for min. ambiant Temperature? [Re: #34684 04/29/10 12:03 PM
Chakot]
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Here's what B31.3 paragraph 319.2.3(b) says:

... "the algebraic difference between strains in the extreme displacement

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condition with a greater differential effect) remains substantially
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constant during any one cycle of operation. This difference in strains
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Loc: Houston, TX, range, which is used as the criterion in the design of piping for
USA flexibility."...

You are referencing "the extreme displacement condition and the
original (asinstalled) condition" and I am talking about "any anticipated
condition with a greater differential effect".

Again, in my example T1 is above ambient and T2 is below ambient.
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Re: Load case for min. ambiant Temperature? [Re: Dave #34715 05/01/10 06:53 AM
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Thanks Dave! it's very helpful.

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Hi Dave,

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This is the load cases:
L1: W+T1+P1 (OPE)
L2: W+T2+P1 (OPE)
L3: W+P1 (SUS)
L4: L1L2 (EXP)

The model passed the "Code Stress" for the extreme displacement
condition (L4).

Shall I check the loads applied to equipment nozzle for L2, which is the
the min. ambient temp. of plant (T=36Â°C), or only L1 as the max.
design temp. (T1=80Â°C) will be enough?

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You should check any condition which the nozzle can experience. Many

Member times, by inspection, you can conclude that one particular load case is

the worst condition for a given nozzle. However, if you can't draw this
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Re: Load case for min. ambiant Temperature? [Re: #35695 05/26/10 11:53 PM
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Thank you Richard.

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